formally open it is March 18th 2025 the Little Conservation Commission meeting and we are still on Zoom for maybe one more meeting or maybe no more meetings so um okay let's go ahead and approve
the minutes for March 4th 2025 um does anyone have any omissions or corrections to the draft minutes i just have a handful of them here um so let's
[Music] see so under the community preservation act one if we could just throw in um where it says that I'm awaiting quotes to include in the walkway reconstruction if we could just say Long Lake Frog Pond walkway reconstruction and then let's see
further down under under the RDA for 10 sir Indian way we did include Paula Foresight uh Torielli at the beginning saying that he was present or she was present with the applicant typically we'll just have like
the engineers or the you know representatives with the you know the applicant at that beginning part and maybe we could just list um about halfway down where it says Miss Forsythe Torielli raised concerns we could just include her address there yep
and let's see a couple more um 195 to Hadawan Road Healey Corner um it's just missing the road after 195 to Hadawan and then it says Mr your ring wall has requested it should maybe say the withdrawal of the notice of intent
was that on the first one or the second withdrawal uh actually both of them okay and then uh and 35 Queen Road just needs road added again mr ringwald has requested the withdrawal of the notice of
intent and I think that was it okay cool thank you for those edits um anyone have anything else if not do we have a motion to approve as amended make a motion to approve the meeting minutes as amended do we have a second
second thank you Ed roll call roll call vote uh Kyle kyle Maxfield i Ed carl carl Milber i Michael michael Livingston i Sarah Sarah Seward
myself i It's unanimous okay um before we move on does anyone have anything they would like to add to administrative discussions tim I think you want to add a DCR update anybody have anything else they'd like to add to that
list okay if not let's go ahead and start with land use permit request cloverdale Storywalk that was included in your um packet tim anything we need to know in particular outside of what was given to
us for the land use permits for Cloverdale it's from April 18th which is Friday and then the following week for one week till April 28th the Monday i don't believe so but we have Linda here um so I'm promoting her yep do you want
to move her over panelist yep okay linda you're going to magically appear as a panelist if you'd like to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about the story walk that would be great and thank you for filling out the land use permit [Music]
and Linda you're muted just so you know now now you're good i didn't I was rejoining so I didn't hear if you said something yeah so you're you're all set Linda we can hear you and see you so if you'd like to introduce yourself and um we're excited
that you're going to be using Cloverdale great um I'm Linda Jensen and I'm from um First Connections Actton and we're really looking forward to putting a story walk up for April school vacation week okay great have you ever done a
story walk before we have done numerous yes okay fantastic commissioners anyone have any questions for Linda okay if not can I have a motion to approve this land use permit for the Storywalk
i'll make a motion that we approve the land use permit for the Storywalk at Cloverdale okay I second all those in favor uh Ed Kyle Max carl Melberg i Sarah sarah
Seawward i Michael I and myself I it's unanimous great best of luck Linda thank you for joining us thank you okay next is the land uh land use permit uh request y
Yep invasive species stockpile burn tim who's going to speak to that um the So the property owner couldn't make it tonight um a little bit of history on on this rick Finley and others at LCT um
have been working with a property owner whose land abut yap at addressing this this patch of invasives it's been going on for a couple years now um I believe I have a photo an Ariel to show you guys
the location let me see if I can share my screen give me one second it's the one that I don't have up of course [Music] um anyways uh this patch I mean the first time I went out there it was for
one of our weed warrior um poles where we were taking down black swallow wart um there are other invasives in that area too there's bittersweet um I think multifllora rose um
and we somebody had came in and actually brush mowed the area and knocked everything down pretty good and it's been just a reoccurring uh hand pulling over there ever since so they've
got a stockpile of invasives over there at this point and the idea being to burn the stockpile um go after a burn permit i've been talking with Steel McCertie the the fire
chief about this and he said it can be done um they just have to wait for the winds to be northn northwest and so he recommended having like a period of time um where this uh permit would be open
for um because obviously we don't know when those winds are going to meet the those conditions all right I'm going to share my screen i've got it up now so this is this is Yap right here can you guys see yes this is Yap um Danielle is the uh a butter i believe
this is her property right here and she's been working with Rick for a couple years now going after this whole area was pretty bad almost in almost entirely invasives um and so the stockpile is right about here uh in this area
um and yeah I I talked with with Steel and he said he would uh he would wave the the fee for this um and yep that's that's about that's about it so okay i had not I was not
aware of this happening before on conservation i went back and looked at uh other land use permits and I didn't see it so I wasn't sure but um well but remember we haven't ha we haven't been using land use permits for you know they
haven't been around forever so I don't know it could predate it i don't know if any commissioners are aware of any controlled burns on on this type of property okay does anybody have any questions
about this or um thoughts are they going to be using a burn barrel that I'm not I'm not sure that I'm too comfortable with them just setting a fire even with watching
the winds and stuff i mean that's going to char that space where that invasives where that pile is which may already be bad underneath it anyway if you know if it's been there a while but um I would be more comfortable if they were using a controlled
[Music] barrel or dumpster you know something metal tim who would be the actual applicant for this like who would be spearheading this yep it would be uh her name is Danielle Farrier
okay yep she's the one who's been working with with Rick on this area lately okay i think commissioners anybody have any thoughts i think maybe just to have Tim give her this this feedback and specifically Eds as well do we have any opposition to that type of a
controlled burn in something that's appropriate for the fire department and also um enclosed area i don't have any uh opposition i I do have a question and maybe it's silly but
does he want the wind exactly northnorthwest or between north and northwest i think it could be either anywhere in between yeah because I know I mean the the wind at least where I am
is always northwest oh I gotcha so but um but rarely directly from the north or or close so um I'm being too particular yeah well certainly we could get that clarified and I think we would want some letter of
support from from the fire chief as well just to document that conversation yeah okay yeah i don't know if I have Oh go ahead yeah i was wondering was the fight department's going to be on on site correct when this is done
I'm not sure if they have to be on site when this is done because it's it's not like a prescribed burn this is just a a a regular burn permit i believe they have to be notified when this is occurring yeah the the applicant's going to have to notify the fire department the day and time that they intend to
have the burn so that the fire department's aware and could stop by if they so choose um and are we making the assumption that there's going to be water like a hose from the house that's a requirement of the burn permit yeah you have to have sources of water okay did he pick the direction of the wind
because in the picture that was up there it looked like there was a patch of woods on one side and open field on the other so it was looking for the flame to be headed toward the field i think he was looking for it to be going away from the houses away from home okay
you you you don't want it going towards a field because those things will ignite really yeah i I that's a large part of the reason why I don't want them to just light a brush pile on fire either i mean so there's I guess I'm not
opposed to containing it i have two questions with that one if this area is full of evasives are we that concerned of the ground getting burned below it um and then to this is a pretty common thing across town right i don't
personally I've I've had bar I've had burn permits I've done I do a pretty much an annual burn to clean up brush and stuff that the trees have shed in the yard um I I don't know if there would be push back on that at all or it just does it's not a typical thing
so personally I'm comfortable with them procuring the land use permit but more specifically the fire permit and following whatever the fire chief asks them to do i'm in the same spot Kyle like we probably once every two years we pull a
burn permit and the fire department does a pretty good job making sure we don't put ourselves in a bad spot absolutely yeah i've had them stop by at a minimum they drive by i can wave to them as they drive by they slow down and that's but yeah I I think Tim when we go to do this
we'd put it on as an agenda item so just to have the applicant um come in with the letter and just come up with a a plan so that way we can um have this as a a formal time so if there is someone that has a question
such as a neighbor they can chime in sure yeah okay great um all right let's go ahead possible need for inerson meeting after the 31st tim doesn't sound like we have an update yet yeah so we actually got one I think it was on
Thursday that the House had passed a bill to extend it through I don't think it was entirely through but into I think 2027 and that's going to be going to the Senate for a vote I thought it was by the end of by the end of this week um
but I'm not sure so it's it's possible that we'll have something in place before our next meeting but I mean Okay be in place before our next posting date or the next meeting date that's Yeah that's the thing i'm not sure um Yeah so
I think we're going to have to right now keep both open for commissioners in person and um online and hopefully that we would know about the vote before you have to post it which is that following Thursday yep okay great um assistant
conservation agent update so we uh sent out an an offer to the the applicant that we interviewed and we should be hearing back from uh them on Thursday or by Thursday okay great so the fact that
you sent out an a offer suggests you worked out the hours uh what the actual hours are going to be yes so um the offer was for for 25 hours okay it and Ed I should expand on that a
little bit the idea is that in the long run somewhere between the water department and conservation may need to be some additional support for clean lakes um in the short term the water
department is going to help facilitate some of the things that need to be done until we can figure out what the resolution of frankly what the needs are before we figure out what the staffing is so there's I think what we heard at the budget meeting about this idea of
pushing up our assistant agent position to 40 hours the concept makes sense but it was premature in the sense that we didn't know what the scope of the work was going to be so the idea would be in the intervening year we figure out what the scope of work would be for those additional hours and if we have to hire
a part-time person or the water department takes it on very flexible there um and try and sort it out but it was it was too nebulous of a role to just shove the hours up to 40 and figure it out no understood this the last time
we had some question about how many hours it was going to be and all that so okay all right so let's go ahead we're going to pause administrative discussions it's 7:45 we're going to open the continued public hearing notice
of intent 91 Madawanaki Trail Mass D4-1014 bylaw waiver is required addition and renovation of existing deck and we have um Mr eastman I see that you're with us and you have your hand up
um we're going to promote you to panelists and also allow you to talk okay so Mr eastman you should be So currently Mr eastman your your microphone is off and your camera is off oh now your mic How's the voice can you
folks hear me there you go perfect yes we can welcome thank you good evening Floss okay i know we we had some challenges at the last meeting so we're glad that your audio is working yeah I'm on my wife's computer so that works okay great u Mr eastman thank you for
providing your detailed notes for us as well the commission um has had a chance to see those as well if you would like to just circle back around and tell us what your what you've learned and what your thoughts are and I know Yep and you
have done some calculation of runoff as well and would love to know how you you got to some of those calculations yes the information that I provided shows the um you know
the basically I took some of the 1 in rainfall 62 gallons per 100 square foot and that was from New Hampshire homeowners guide for storm water management and I took that and extended it to the roof so the deck roof the 12x
12 roof that I put on for 1 in that would be 89 gallons of runoff so the plan was to put a gutter and a downspout and to retain that water
underneath the deck so the actions that I had defined was to cap and bury the existing drain under the deck and again that will allow the water to stay under the deck remove the blocks concrete blocks that
were there and then dig a swale or a trench under the deck and then that will be collect the water running from the down spout um Mr eastman if I can pause for just one second tim do you have the uh the images
to put on for us for Mr yep i could share those now yeah just show the figures one through four i think those are the photographs yep and folks can get a sense of what it looks like tim can you blow that up yeah
i'm not sure what's happening here why it's showing two pages at once but I'll do my best so commissioners you may recall this is a second story and so there will be roofs associated okay so commissioners if you
have questions you do also have this information in your packet as well oh excellent okay yeah the the you know the information was based on a 1-in storm and I obtained that from the New Hampshire uh storm water management you know the god the weather gods are not
with me cuz the day before we had almost 2 ines of rain you know in southern mass so I I looked at some other things you know the 100year 1hour rate is 2.5
in and that was from the National Weather Service so I took a look at Tim if you can call up the very last page and it shows the area under the deck
and I put a um a trench a shallow trench there and based on that dimension 3 ft wide 8 in 8 I'm sorry 8 ft long 1 and 1/2t deep that
comes out to about 89 gallons which would be the runoff or 1 in of water if I extended the extrapolated the runoff for the 12 by 12 to the
100redyear you know one off for 1 hour it would be 223 gallons of water that I would have to deal with so I just did some quick calculations and if it's agreeable I can
supply that later but if I went with the trench instead of I keep it at 8 ft long keep it away from the house 4t wide 2 ft deep that would that would get me to 202
gallons and again the target is 223 if I peeled up the pavers on the on the patio in the area that I defined in the attachment I get another 12 gallons that gets me to
214 which is 9 gall short of the 100year 1h hour rate of 2 1/2 in and again what I'm trying to do is keep the water that comes off the roof the new roof under the deck
and the only thing I'd mention is that the concrete wall that's next to this trench is 39 in to the capstone it's 3 ft tall so I'm talking about digging a
trench couple of feet back 2 feet deep and I I I feel comfortable with that i don't think it would ever fill up with water and knock the wall down so that would my be my approach to you know not
just do the one in but go for the 2 and 1/2 ines of rain for 100year storm for 1 hour okay thank you for that let's um commissioners do you want to offer some feedback or questions for Mr eastman
mr eastman you're talk the the volutric calculations that you did are based on all of the water coming off of the roof of the house or is this just the water coming off of the roof of the deck that
you've proposed adding just the deck just the deck that's what I'm adding new to the rain water that comes off yep so it's the 12x 12t deck only that water only that okay and you're and you're trying to convey all of it to underneath
the deck is that it would all so you would have some sort of collection system to bring it to that one spot yes that's what the gutter floor deck is that's basically where the water goes now you know those deck boards right the packet has pictures of how he plans
on doing that yeah that that's like the gutter that I was that last page again yeah it's a gutter and then a pipe that goes down at an angle under the next picture after that one yes that's correct down into
the into the P so Chase I have a question for you i'm more I guess of proceeding i'm very appreciative of the effort that Mr reese's putting into this what triggers us looking at storm water calcs it It's
a defined square footage correct yeah what is it the bylaw is 10% additional 10% additional impervious surface I think and I think there might also be a absolute number but I've got to believe we're below that absolute number
yeah I get not trying to find a way to not do that i'm very appreciative of doing this and I we should be doing it i'm just trying to help figure out what the most efficient way of doing this is under what mechanism this kind of feels like he's grabbing more water
than he is today in the sense of today it's just a deck and the water goes wherever it wants to go well there there's a mechanism in place currently there's a there's a drain system currently he's going to uh dismantle that
i'm wondering how that water is all going to drain away and how uh you know is it going to compromise that that wall or other structures there i mean if if it is that much water it's going to have
to go someplace fairly quickly i guess my my question is you know being a New Englander when we have the freeze thaw freeze thaw when the ground's frozen but then we have these rains where is that water going to
ultimately disperse to into the soil basically or evaporate if the ground is frozen she's talking about like the rain events that we would had a few weeks ago when the you still had frost on the ground i mean it would turn into sheet flow but
that would be just like everywhere else right you're seeing that i mean I I could argue that the water that that on the 12x 12 deck that's there now the water hits it and basically either goes through the boards
or runs off the edge so currently the water for the last I don't know 20 30 years has been going through the deck existing deck and into the land below it and I've never seen it run over that
wall so it's it's getting absorbed that's the right word into the soil below the deck is there is there I'm trying to remember the site is there any opportunity outside of that wall to to
treat the water in like a rain garden or something above before it goes down the slope to the lake if if you look at the picture of figure one Tim I appreciate what you're doing by the way um if you look at the
patio that's there in in in the in front of that photo yeah i went through and looked at some of the calculations on that you know just say I peeled all of those
papers up and put crushed stone in and that's only about 50 gallons that I could buy if I took the down spout on the second floor not running under the deck but just dumped it right where that those pavers are on
that figure one that's only about 50 gallons well so we have you got to be a little careful of what we're defining as 50 gallons because that's just volumetric right that's not correct that's not going to include any sort of infiltration that you experience that is
correct i I understand where you're getting at with only 50 gallons yeah in practical in pract it will start to to infiltrate immediately yes i'm not sure that that's the answer that we want to do is tear up
a patio and put crush stone but I wasn't thinking of tearing on the patio i was just wondering on the grassy area was there any opportunity to Yeah do a rain garden there what's on the the left picture the left
picture in this figure one where we have like the patio furniture what's what's on the right side there is a flower bed yeah what else is on this side i haven't unfortunately been sight so it's a it's a slight hill away from the house or towards the house
I guess away from the house slopes down to the water it's And that's goes goes to the water yeah if we're talking about frozen ground though no matter what if you put in a rain garden or whatever that ground's still going to be frozen
i Yeah I get I get I get that the trench with the gravel and so on and so forth while it'd be frozen that's not going to be frozen well I'm assuming that it won't be frozen solid that any water that comes
down would thaw to some extent that right why would that th faster differently than surfaces for the water to break up the ice as he says as he sounds less confident
I honestly like the frozen ground to me it's just going to flow over the ground if it's frozen it seems but it's so it does that everywhere right I guess regardless of if we're talking about in his deck or in his front yard or in our backyard right so what is the problem or the question that we're trying to answer
maybe I've gotten myself confused we're just trying to find a place to put the water that's coming off the new structure on the second floor mhm and that's where I I can get my head around potentially infiltrating it at
the base of that wall to to Kyle's point the idea of doing storm waterbased total on total volumes that will come down is in a very very conservative way of doing it right if if this would shed 50
gallons of water in a 1 in storm in an hour if you look at infiltration basins that engineers design that we might be looking at infiltration rates that would consume most of that 50 gallons without any actual storage
capacity um I I'm a little wary of reinfiltrating water upstream upgradient of that block wall um I understand it's receiving water now but it's also shutting water off via the deck i I think we risk making a bigger problem by
asking the applicant to do that i also don't think this is a major risk to the resource areas because we've got essentially vegetated strips all around the patio so my preference here would be to accept the
applicant's idea of putting essentially an infiltration trench at the base of that wall to the extent that there is some runoff off of that it's captured in the sort of vegetated area the lawn outside of that but I I mean as I said
when this first came up I'm also not sure that we need to do anything with this i I think a trench is helpful but I'm I'm not that worried about it I guess yeah I agreed with you at the that time too if I was I think it was more of
getting this to pass the waiver if anything and not not what we're doing with the water was my concern i think we have to do some type of um mitigation um because we are allowing
construction within within the 50 Exactly right and I think that's where I agree with you Carl that's Yeah right there's needs to be something but it's not based on the the rain it's based on the construction that's happening right not not the water
that's how I'm looking at it um basically right but it does feel like he's trying to Amelia whatever the word is I'm I'm looking for uh you know he's he's he's changing out the deck and what have you
yes but he's also provided what seems like a fairly extensive water management plan i totally agree and I I absolutely appreciate what he's gone through and I just kind of echo Chase's concerns with if we if you're dumping the two and a half inches of 1
hour rain underneath that deck behind that wall we don't know infiltration rates of the soil down there you know is it going to infiltrate into the ground or is it going to understand that it sees water now and he hasn't seen any issues but it's hasn't been seeing that
total volume yeah I I see that I I see that as a bigger risk to the resource area that we induce the failure of that wall and that that's bad for everybody here what are your thoughts about removing some of those pavers on
the downside of that block wall in order to make an area that may be able to absorb more of that i I I actually really like that idea i think that that meets the the needs and interests of the waiver um it goes above and beyond what we would require outside of the 50 but
we're within the 50 i can get my head around what are your thoughts in terms of just removing the pavers or to kind of scarify that a little bit and bring make that an actual um structure or something that's going
to help create uh capacity like a gravel bed there of some sort yeah didn't he already say that was his plan to take the pavers up and put in another uh 10 foot by three foot or whatever um whatever I can't I'm at a loss for
words today sorry but a gravel pit if you will right yeah fill it with 3/4 inch crush in the It'll be a rock garden wouldn't want to dig anything too deep right next to the wall right no
absolutely absolutely great nope but that could be a nice place to put a a rock garden and some potted plants on top of it and direct water to it and achieve a significant amount of infiltration especially during low flow
events so last question of that how are you going to direct water to it or are you just going to let it nature get there that's what I was going to ask Sarah is if what is the water management plan then right we haven't it sounds like
we've taken because there is currently a pipe which we saw but the pipe is at a a different um invert so like the water doesn't necessarily get there right now I would say leave that structure in place because it could offer some
sacrifice if there was a large water event as well mr eastman what are your your thoughts of keeping that pipe in place yeah I I have no um issues with leaving it in place as I stated earlier the intake is actually a little high
that whole area would have to be flooded before it was actually um be useful or utilized I guess yep so that's kind of like your overflow mechanism there okay yes that was the original intent all right so commissioners would someone
like to summarize where we are for Mr eastman at the moment i'm still a little The only summary that I can offer right now is that we are removing the applicant will be removing some of the patio blocks at the
downstairs portion of that wall replacing that with 3/4 in crush stone some sort of crush stone bed i I still I guess I'm Are the rest of his plans are we keeping his plans the rest sorry status
quo the rest of the way um you know putting a trench underneath the deck still I feel like I'm a little bit more hesitant to do that than So commissioners what are your thoughts on on that are we in support of not
doing something so invasive when you may not doing something so invasive in terms of creating a large um well structure or depression behind the wall underneath the deck that's proposed
if he's if he's going to if the decisions to remove the patio I would focus on that Eric okay right so what what is the storm water mechanisms now where There's water
collected are we are we just letting water flow off of the roof to wherever it goes and then it finds its way off the wall or I guess how I understood this Kyle is the water is still coming off the roof it's still um like it has been historically is still landing
behind the wall but during higher flow events it may sheet flow over the wall and this uh this blue area shown here is our sort of backup plan so to the extent that the flow doesn't over top that it's like it's always been although it's been
infiltrating more through the slats of the deck rather than individual area but that the net effect behind the wall in my opinion isn't that different um but this is a backup plan in case there's extra flow okay that's that's fine so we're he's still going to direct the
flow he's going to capture the water direct the flow to underneath the deck and let it do its thing and whatever it it can accept will go over the wall that's fine that's how I understand this but I I'm kind of with you i'm a little a little confused okay so are we still
going to do the shallow swale and trench underneath the 3 ft by 1.5 by 8 that's my understanding and I didn't understand that this plan included pulling up the pavers up top i It It didn't this was a new This is an idea
that was just added tonight no it was discussed it was one of the options that I had looked at rather than directing the water under the deck hey is there any way I could let the water go in that paved area it was something I've looked
at well if I had to summarize for my for me I would say I like the idea of the of the the pit underneath and the directing the water to it and having the extra spot outside the wall that seems to be a
reasonable overflow and it controls to the extent you can ever control water uh it controls the flow of the water a little more than just letting it come off the roof and hopefully go where we want it to go and would you still remove
pavers Ed i would not no but if we decided we wanted that or needed that um you know the pavers are somewhat impervious not as much as if you pulled them all up of course but you know that's not like it's a paved uh hard
surface all the way around right and that could be we could have a monitoring this could be monitored for over you know one or two seasons to see that could be the next step that if there is some type of failure or um lack
of coordination with the water that the pavers could be removed yeah it's a backup plan or an additional if needed that that's where I sit in it anyway okay carl Andrew I'm I'm good with I'm good
with the discussion that was just had okay Michael um I guess I'm okay in general i I just can't help but wonder that collecting that much water isn't going to change
um how things just end up uh changing underneath you know will it flow out through the concrete block wall and end up compromising it and and I'm making this up i don't know but you know I see what happens in my yard and uh um the
water moves a lot around right and to our Mr eastman to your knowledge are there any weepholes in that wall when it was constructed um yes there's I mean a lot of water you can if you look at the picture I think you can even see some of
the moss how it grows you know i I think the water weeps out there okay all right andrew any thoughts or I guess now so the op has presented us something and now we're changing it or we're
offering changes how are we going about this i thought seemed like we kind of came back to what the applicant proposed kyle did we I thought they were just talking about not taking no pavers didn't they just say we weren't removing pavers i thought we all agreed that those coming out that was at the top
that was up up at the top he he he is removing pavers down by the wall i Yeah I guess I got lost with the these papavers at the top where these were and what were I never saw that as part of the Right so page three versus page four
i think I have that open right here figure one shows papavers along the at the top and and the the plan at the moment that I'm okay with leaves them in place and as uh Sarah suggested we can come back and re
and uh um evaluate in a year or two if necessary to see if everything is still going the way it was expected to go and if not then there's an option at that time of taking those papers up and
replacing them with gravel to create more um space for the water i'm not sure what are we asking Kevin to do Mr eastman rather to do now me personally I'm comfortable with what he's proposed but that's me do we want
to entertain any erosion is erosion control on this during construction anywhere and have we talked about access for construction Mr eastman oh no we haven't i'm sorry i
thought asking the the uh uh No asking you how will materials be um brought into the site it'd be staged in the front driveway and then hand carried basically
and are you hand digging the trenches and so forth yes and is the staircase being removed and relocated or is it staying in the same location same location okay commissioners erosion control
thoughts i think we have to protect the uh pile of dirt that's being dug out from the trench i mean I would say we would make a condition that that doesn't stay on site i mean that that volume is so
dimminimous that why make a pile and create that potential for any sort of erosion there okay so do we want erosion control i personally don't see if we're just building materials here you we're not
okay disrupting ground that's I take I not sure what the added value in that is here okay tim do you have any questions on this do you feel comfortable knowing i was going to ask you guys uh I was going to kind of recap it make sure we're on the same page so continuing
with the proposed digging that trench under the what is now the existing deck taking out the pavers on the lower level and then revisit or monitoring and revisiting after a year or two whether or not pavers on the upper level need to
be removed and gravel needs to be put there for in more infiltration that's correct okay right Commissioner is that is that super reactionary by us and putting some sort
of stress or is Tim going to have to set an alarm to remind himself to go out there on a day that it rains you know a year from now well you can ask for reporting in
your order of conditions after any storm and you set the threshold like we do on the bigger projects you can ask Mr eastman when we have a storm that has like the 2 in to send a photo or let us know how things are going and you can
set those parameters um which puts the onus on the applicant okay tim you were okay with that yeah is there a What duration do we want to stick with for how long probably the
same as we monitor plants okay three years three years and what magic number would be the trigger of the storm we talking 2
in over a 24-hour period what would we like to do well what's what's considered a decent size storm well it seems like we're getting more of
the hundred years but Oh that's what that's over two inches in an hour i don't think we I mean we do see more of them obviously but not it's not a shouldn't be a yearly thing i I so arbitrary man i think I think
everybody knows what a big storm event is we seem to have at least one every year right but I think Sarah's right we have you have to you have to quantify that i I know well I I I would come back
to some of the language that we've used on on other sites so I mean I feel comfortable if we're going to get two inches within 24 hours yeah i mean I mean the SWIP is a half inch of rain right a half inch of rain sets off a storm water maring plan or inspection so
and it should probably be a frequency or an intensity closer to a half inch than 2 in i mean a just looked up the the Noah 14 which is what the mass storm water handbook uses for a one-year 24-hour storm in Boston is 2 and 12 in
so the in so many words that should have a should happen about once a year it's actually math doesn't quite work out that way but 2 and 12 in doesn't necessarily have to happen every year
okay so what what magic number do you want to put in one inch yeah i see go more than you we're not dealing with storm water uh inspections here it's a little bit okay so one one inch within a 24-hour period
so so is he I mean Mr eastman I don't know how he's going to measure that or he's going to take the word of uh what you hear on the radio and TV how deep doesn't light and water don't they have a monitoring
yeah I think that only goes out monthly though for monthly totals okay we should have multiple one-inch events in a year so if if we miss if we miss one he'll get another bite at the apple i'm not concerned about that
right so Tim will let you work on that okay does someone want if we feel comfortable does someone want to make a motion for this notice of intent could I just s uh go back Tim if you could go back to one sure and I I defined the actions for
improvement i just want to review this make sure that we're all in agreement the first item was cap and bury the existing water intake drain what I heard was you want me to leave that in place is that correct yes
yes leave and then remove the concrete blocks adjacent to the retaining wall i would basically do that only if I was going to dig the trench or the swale whatever you call it so if I leave if if I'm going to do the trench underneath
the deck I will also remove the concrete blocks that are there now mhm that's a yes yep and then the concrete pavers on the patio below am I doing that or not is
that a contingency a backup are you talking about the section in front of the wall yes the area you have in blue yeah that that we said was coming out so that will be done yes
okay very good thank you mhm all right i move that we approve the notice of intent for 91
Madaw Madaw Wanaki Trail Mass D20 204-1014 you end waiver uh yeah end waiver um U47-26-0 do we have a second second All right
call vote uh Kyle Oh Maxfield michael Michaelson I Chase Chase I Carl Carl Mber I Ed Ed FS I
Sarah Sarah Seawward I myself I it's unanimous okay so Mr eastman you'll be receiving some um documents from Tim um please review them and then touch base with him prior to starting your work as
well would be great excellent thank you very much i appreciate your time also okay thank you have a good day good luck thank you okay we're going to go back to administrative discussions um discussion conservation parcel U7-208-0 tim yep i'm going to share my
screen on this one as well so this was kind of just to take your guys's t Oh why isn't this working give me a second hey Ann mr eastman you're still on i'm trying to
get out of this that's okay i I'll move you away yep all right can you guys see this yep perfect so this is going to take your guys' temperature on a proposal that Parks and Wreck um had and
discussed with me last week um so the parcel is is this parcel right here and it's it's under the care custody and control of conservation commission um it gets mowed by the highway department I think once or twice a year um and it's
also the area where I believe Rob Rouse was stockpiling some of the invasives um from the the work he was doing removing the invasives around Frog Pond so Parks and Wreck has proposed um I guess they've got a lot of um
requests from the public for storage racks for kayaks and canoes the idea being they would put storage racks here um people would be able to pay a fee to store their canoe or kayak there for the season and then the proceeds from um
from that would go towards clean lakes committee work wanted to see what you guys thought about it if it's a non-starter but obviously if if if you are interested there's a lot more discussions into you know who's m like what's going on for for maintenance
and so forth who owns that property we do okay so what is it just an open field yeah it's it's mostly um just an open field there is a little uh there's a tree line here so it's it's a little bit
vegetated but most of it is this field what would be the protocol for this because if they're getting a fee wouldn't that go into the general fund you'd have to go to town meeting yeah I haven't delved into the logistics
of on that side um this was more of just a What do you guys think yes sir if it's a non-starter you're not going to bother trying to figure out how to get an article in front of the town meeting fair enough right does uh is anybody
what happens there now just playing kickball or uh I'm I'm really not sure the only use of it that I know of is that Rob had Rob Browns had some pallets there that he was stockpiling not weed on right clean lake committee was using it too for
their their removal we do have is it currently sand or grass i'm I'm also thinking of h what it's going to do in terms of the impact on that land that actually does have some type of habitat
on it and also infiltration of all these storms because we know some of the water just runs down those roads right yeah we do have Rob here and he does have his hand raised um yep there you go go ahead Rob property
okay just unmuted thank you um I I just wanted to say that while I did store some invasives those invasives were cut along uh the fence line there I actually put in well in excess of 100 hours last year removing the various you know bad
guys in terms of invasive plants uh so I wanted to point that out that it's not just a holding storage area but whether it was an active area where I it pretty much made a great um I think pretty successful for first
year i'm going to certainly have to go back again this year and probably future years but removed uh pretty dramatic I could show you photos trying to make the area more approachable and more usable uh someone asked the question of how the the field is used it is mowed more
frequently than once or twice i' I'd say it's almost every two to three weeks during the season um and because I live very nearby I see I don't want to suggest in any way that it's a consistent usage but the area is used by
different groups of threes and fours with regard to practicing volleyball spiking and and passing as well as soccer skills etc as well as croquet so that's a usage um and uh I think I just
sent to both Tim and um Andrew a photo that causes me great concern um because the photo that that I sent if you're able to retrieve it and and show it shows of uh just one week ago the
current state in which the park and wreck allows their own watercraft in extremely haphazard my opinion very problematic and I'm very much concerned with um them doing similarly to what is a usable field i'm
very I'm personally quite opposed to what I'm hearing for the first time i just got the picture of your time well that that would require a use permit i mean you can't store or park on public property without a permit and and Rob I did just get that picture and yeah the
canoes are all over the place andrew can you share that or uh Yeah let me see if I can get it on here so Tess I see that you your hand we'll get to you in just a second sorry I didn't mean to step on Tess's toes here
um but I I think we should go into this discussion and Tim I appreciate that you just sort of brought it forward as a let's take the temperature i think that was exactly the right approach i I think we should think about this in the context of if it was managed
in a way that we were comfortable with because I would presume that if it was poorly managed and I agree they've struggled parks and wreck has struggled sometimes to manage things like their kayaks and stuff then then we would just withdraw the permit because I agree it would require some sort of permitting
act activity or something like that and if it doesn't work then we would just say no you're not allowed to do that going forward um if I think the relevant question here would be if it was adequately maintained and managed would we be willing to i
don't think anyone would be willing to if it was a disaster right that's sort of taken for granted i have to say I'm not comfortable with it for two reasons one it's an open field with some vegetation and so forth
and when you do what they want to do now we're going to be trampling down what's there it's inevitable the other is if someone else is going to use conservation land and get a fee then that fee should not be going to them it should be going to protection and care
of the conservation land yeah they said it would go to Clean Lakes right it wouldn't be going to park and wreck but again I don't think that's even something we can talk about yet because it should go to the general fund my general feel on this though is no what about this idea though like we we
spend a lot of money as a town to acquire conservation land that I don't think any of us would would really characterize it this way but then we spend a lot of time and effort to make sure people can trample all over it that's why we acquire it there's
there's some cases hiking up in the woods and hiking the fields and stuff that that that that's one thing but this is a small parcel that they're going to put watercraft you know kayaks canoes and so forth which means that you're going to have multiple people and it's a
my emphasis is it's a small parcel and I know for a fact that if you go out and you have three boys hike on a field twice you've now got a trail and and this land won't be the same after they
anyone I'm not saying against park and wreck after anyone puts such a project in place so Andrew you shared that photo but that was not of that was of is that gravel or sand that's not of an area that's gets mowed so I tried to share I
think Tim popped it up on the screen but um sorry okay yeah that's that's not a picture of the field that's in question is more of the current status of park and w taking care of their equipment let's let's go ahead um Tess if you would like to introduce yourself um and
look forward to your comment oh excuse me hello i'm Tess Degan i'm the president of the Long Lake Neighborhood Association and uh I just want to um mention that yes the neighborhood has um has spoken often
about a a place to put all these very abandoned um canoes and kayaks all around um the lake shore and wondered if there was a place to store them well um and uh not necessarily at this
particular location and in terms of usage of that um small piece of land yes kids play on it um I find it very pleasant to walk my dog across it um it's it's quite lovely um I think you're
right that the a building something there would probably um trample most of the ground there um but I do see the need for some kind of structure for people to put their boats on um and I would probably there would
probably be a few folks that would um come and pay for a season um maybe this is not the best location but it's not a terrible idea yes so can I ask a quick question kind of regarding that
um that that area as far as I'm aware around Long Lake is not anywhere near the boat launch right so are we would these individuals have to go to that parcel retrieve their canoe kayak walk it through the beach area to get to the
boat launch like I get what's the what's the mechanism of accessing the lake is is the easy way to access so Kyle my initial conversation with Parks and Wreck um they also proposed that if
if this were to take place they proposed moving one of the docks that got permitted when they came in front of us last year and moving it to that location across the street from that parcel um and then having a maybe having a
crosswalk put up there that was their idea next to the new fishing dock that they just fixed up too isn't that all right there okay so I I guess I'm just going to throw out a suggestion here because we've got other conversations that why
don't we continue this conversation but in the meantime when commissioners have time to go for a drive to go and visualize so that we can um go forth with this conversation are we okay with that sounds good
okay provided we wish to have this conversation i don't want to speak on behalf of everyone i I think it's worth having the conversation i don't know okay what direction we'll wind up at okay perfect all right thank you um next
discussion uh Littleton Water Department created wetlands feature oh yes that's uh R10-14-0 which you were supplied with that in your uh folder yeah I'll share my screen and get it up here as well
thank you so as you guys remember a part of um the water department's Trumble Well project they have a CMP and they have a part of that is to create a ephemeral pool and we did a
sitewalk with Matt Silverman out there in this general area um where they were thinking of of creating it um I talked with Matt last week and they think they can actually get the pool to
be right outside of the 100 foot buffer however um in order to access and get equipment back there they need to get a small excavator and they're going to have dump trucks um taking out the fill they need to go so
there's a if you can remember from the Monarch um filing there's an intermittent stream if you guys can see my arrow that runs right across here right and they would be accessing the area
back here through there this is now this is an outdated photo but there's a parking lot here and they'd be driving back here right next to the intermittent stream to get to it so I wasn't sure um
because there is access in the 50 foot if you guys felt that an RDA or an NOI would be appropriate um because it sounds like all the all the actual excavation and stuff they can get it out of the 100 foot it would just be the
access within the the buffer zone so can you remind me who was on that sitewalk with us Tim i think you were there when we actually went through um Carl were you with us as well cuz we looked at separate spots and we said
specifically we're not going to do a wetlands crossing right and we found some locations that I think were in the 50 but had a much easier access and that I just feel like we had this conversation and said no in the in the
field i I thought we kind of ended on um them being able to access so we were out here right and so there's you can't see it here but there's a wetland over here that extends like this area all the way down to connecting to where you can see
this wetland area right here um and they were looking initially at putting one back here they're now looking at putting one more so in this area so their access would be along the the turtle uh habitat area
is this where that gate was the gate yep the gate is right down um right here mhm and the field that's up on top there's no access to that other than this way right yeah the
the only other access that was discussed on site was was them getting act uh being able to access from Amazon so right off of where um this imagery is uh to the right would
be a Amazon building um but I think we I think we discussed that that wasn't going to be possible or at least I think Matt said it wasn't going to be possible to get access and not and not through Monarch no yeah
trying to think yeah they would have I mean they'd have to come down Monarch to to get to this area that's So this this road right here is is Monarch right so if they go up that
way what what what will happen when they're finished are they going to restore the the path road whatever you want to call it that they've used to get the equipment back there to You mean you mean in the trees that they're going to
have to take down to get in there don't that that's one of my pet pet peeves so So So I believe they would be the the equipment would be going up here which is all uh like this area right here to get in from from the turtle area um I believe this is all
outside the 100 foot buffer zone mhm but to get up to there from where the white stops and the gate is aren't there like a ton of I'm trying to remember cuz there were some big trees i thought Can I make a suggestion i think Tim
they're going to have to plot out their alternatives and have another sidewalk because we've spent time on this site i thought we were very clear when we left this is what we wanted and now it sounds like that has changed again so I would
ask tell them to plan out all their alternatives and plot them and then we'll just have another another sitewalk sarah does I I think the question here though is should they just come in with a notice
of intent and it if we're asking them for alternatives and we're asking them for a sidewalk I think the answer is yeah we just need a notice of intent and then we can go through the normal anyways right yeah yeah for sure okay
thank you Tim yeah and and and just like this is so they're going to have other notices of intent for the the turtle uh recreation area that the other two sites right but they're they're under different
um not jurisdictions but what am I trying to say they each have their own CMP they're all separate they're all separate work orders initially so and they're all guided by different organizations so they're going to have
more than one yeah i mean this this Yeah that Okay sorry couldn't pick my words okay clean Lakes Committee and Conservation Commission all right give me a second um is this the uh the DCR meeting yep
yep so was it When the heck was it it was on Monday couple days it was a couple days ago that's all I remember tim you're too young to not have memories one day ago it's not even a couple no I know one day
we had a couple folks from DCR uh come to the the meeting the joint meeting with CLC in and conservation and uh they gave a good presentation on the invasives that we have in spectral pond
Long Lake and and Forge Pond and they kind of gave an overview of their experience treating those invasives um mechanical versus herbicides um and and gave recommendations on what they would think what they thought would be
best um for our situation at our lakes um we went into the the you know utrification prevention um the proper techniques of applying herbicide to avoid the Muck
Islands um it was very beneficial and I believe it was recorded too so I can send you guys links to those to that recording when I when I get access to it i think what happened was we got not we they got a little bit off topic that it
was supposed to be scripted ask kind of questions later but then we got kind of in our own little quagmire of just never moved on from the first couple topics panel real quick yeah so it was like just grilled to a halt so there's
definitely I thought it was really beneficial look forward to what it was supposed to really be in its totality so they do recognize that they need to have version two to do it again so um I think they're I think Tim they're going to get
back to us with another date yep but I believe it was helpful yeah we're going to see a lot coming out of this i think I I think our folks around the lakes are um going to push back a lot more on the use of herbicides from what
I was the tone I was hearing and the restrictions that are being applied to them right now so it probably get interesting over the next couple years and and then couple months too yeah I guess even a couple months right new new
rigs kyle can you clarify the push back you expected that to come from the DCR side of things or from local residents or it just Yeah I think our lakes committees are going to want to use the herbicide treatment and based on what DCR was saying that that can be fine and
dandy um it sounds like the water department currently doesn't allow herbicides to be used in at least one of the bodies of water so I think it was very clear that that shouldn't be the case that we've been pushing against
that for as long as I've been here you know the idea I once you start that's it you got to do it all the time it's more harmful in the long long run than otherwise mark Michael I think you'd really enjoy listening to that
because it some of the Q&As's they really did talk about that that once you start you got to keep at it so they had some really it was very well attended by their panelists and some of their uh experience on like cooituit and things like that the the real world examples
that are right down the road were you know they're pretty eye opening and large scale I definitely like to see it yeah um Tim if you happen to come across where that might be accessed or if you could send that around to everyone that
would be great yeah definitely okay um that concludes our administrative updates now the 750 discussion transfer of Nagon Hill Road Parcel Lot 107 oh Sarah we did have one more administrative discussion the CPA
application oh sorry that's okay that's all you and you did such a great job writing it too sorry about that thank you thank you so did you guys have a chance to look at that application for the frog pond walkway yeah I thought it was great have you
more expensive than I expected but it it was we'll survive and I think we're two weeks i guess that's where I was that's where I was going to go chase it as a little I definitely had sticker shock um for what I understood to be the project that was happening um sticker shock just
on the erosion control we're in the wrong five grand in erosion control it's kind of spicy i think we could all put that up for half the price yes had you had any feelers out with CPC at all like did they any sort of a number that they were looking or
expecting to hear so I I really don't think they they have a number to expect um depending on how we vote tonight um I'll send it over to them and tomorrow they'll get a chance to review it and vote on it but uh yeah I mean it seems a
little high but ultimately it's you know like we've been saying something that's had to be done for many many years and costs are only going up for materials and labor so got a great opportunity to get this going and get it uh safe and beautiful for the public and yeah if you
guys are comfortable I'm ready to I I think one of the big drivers of cost is that they proposed to take it down 12 in and then build up a base for it and what we've seen is we can't do something less substantial out there
and expect it to survive it's a tough environment taking it down 12 in is a lot of work but better in the long run motion that would be great commissioners sure i'll make a motion that uh conservation commission approves
the community preservation act application for the new walkway by frog punk that Andrew provided us okay do we have a second a second perfect all right roll call vote carl i'm Ed edi michael
michael i Chase chase Ker i Kyle Kyle Max sarah sarah Seward i myself I it's unanimous thank you everybody thank you Andrew andrew Sarah can you can you remind me
where is this money coming from so this is going to be a recreation category CPA project so essentially CPA monies uh come from the 1% property search charge as well as matching funds but this will go through as a uh recreation project as opposed to
an open space project just because we can't use open space money to basically uh you know put trails parking lots it's kind of like when we did the Oakill parking lot on Harvard Road technically it was a recreation project as opposed to open space but we'll probably take it
from undesated CPA uh monies if it's you know so approved but I'll go ahead and uh forward it to the committee as soon as we get done tonight and we'll be good to go that's great thank you all right okay and then last Sarah sorry real quick if if you're still administrative
um I was thinking about the meetings it do we is moving our next meeting back a week would that be an option to keep us away from any sort of conflict with their voting and passing a potential
um that's great news and I think that would be on to Tim to know if there's anything that's come in where we have that window of 21 days and such um Tim is there anything new that's come in no
there isn't okay we would so Kyle we'd have to make sure that we could secure a room as a backup for that following week so Tim could look into that if the commission would like to do so right yeah i was just looking because we have three weeks if we do meet in two weeks
the first but then we don't have our next meeting until the 22nd that's a three-week gap right yeah i I like the idea of going to the 8th it's April Fool's Day the 1 which is you know whatever but uh gives us a
better chance of giving the the the state more time to do their thing yeah that was that was my thought it's a good idea so Tim is everyone okay with that yep okay so let's let's do this so for the 24 hours let's keep both
on the books until Tim can look and see if there is a room available for us on the ETH or Andrew you could do that yep just gonna say it was Tim was just gonna ask you anyways yeah
exactly true this is true okay that tomorrow super thank you okay uh All right so close of administrative discussions and then the next is the any updates or discussions
um transfer of NGO few different items number one uh council got back to me a few days ago with the process uh I know we were all very frustrated with sort of the last minute blind side
about declaring the land surplus and all that um council has essentially opined that that is the process and so um we will need the select board to do that the timing of it is ideally done before
they close the warrant but it actually can happen afterwards so we're okay on timing there uh item number uh sorry we're okay on timing and process the select board charged us with figuring
out process too um second item is let's say the general receptiveness to making this change in care custody and control the answer to that is I think more certain now than it was before i've heard from several select board members
not voting as a block but individually uh in conversations all very supportive um third item is the water department nick Lawler got back to me last week they're still looking into some potential questions
with access to the northern lot that we are not asking to take care custody and control of they don't have an answer on that um but they're actively working on it with their engineering team to understand the trajectory the fourth piece of this is that
um I attended a meeting on Friday with the select board the conservation trust uh representatives of the select board representatives of the trust and res representatives of the Nishoba praying Indians um it's my understanding that select
board or at least members of the select board are looking at finding a way to include the Nishoba praying Indians in some use of the orchard um I don't think that
impacts lot 107A whatever the the land that we're looking to take care of custody and control of that said I do think there will be interest going forward if the Nishoba praying Indians um establish
more of an agricultural presence there alongside the the APR lei brainer that's that's going to do the majority of the work there may be interest from the initial baying Indians in doing let's say cultural events or something like that on this land that that we control
and what I generally said to them is we've historically been very supportive of educational and cultural events happening on conservation land um so there may be some element of that in the future but I don't think any of those
things change us taking care custody and control of that land so in summary the last outstanding piece is water department giving us a thumbs up that they're happy with it and frankly even if they're not happy with it then we just go back to the select board and say
"We have one vision they have a different one and we we'll have to sort it out." The ideal scenario is they say "We're good as is." So um probably ping Nick in a day or two see where he stands on it right and I
know that we've taken numerous votes on this um internally with the commission chase are we at a position now that once again we just take another vote while we're all here to reaffirm our interest in taking lot 107A
i think we absolutely should do that i think we should also see if there is any public comment on this i know we only have Rob Brown RS in the audience but um we should make sure that that is reflected in our minutes that we open it
up for public comment as well can I comment too go ahead yeah Rob oh and we have Rob who may want to comment go ahead Rob rob you're muted just so you know on your end
better yep all good okay thank you so sorry um yeah I attended the the select board meeting right before the last town meeting and I was in quite a state of dismay i certainly support what you're trying to do
thank you Rob great so the only comment I have on this and I think I've voiced this in the past based on the way that that that meeting prior to town meeting had gone was that their one of their big sticking items was we need to hear from the public what does the public want
this land we know because they've been burnt with that in the past apparently from their their words i haven't seen I'm not hearing that that has been part of this discussion yet and I as much as I am fully supportive of taking over this land as conservation land
you make sure to check that box yeah i don't want I don't want our commission to be the ones that look like now we're not looking out for the best the town's interest in hearing what the town wants us wants the use of that land even though that's what we've been trying to do right i I fully agree that's that is our intent and that's what we're doing
we think we're doing what the town wants with that land but it seems like a pretty hot button topic in town right now um so I think I don't know how we have posted for tonight that we had a discussion on this so how would you like
to word it for the next meeting to have that so Tim can we can even say seeking public input or how would you like to have that phrased do we want to have like a formal public
hearing well that's what you whenever you have it on the agenda that's a formal public hearing so like tonight it would be considered like a general discussion item but if we post it as like a like a legit public hearing maybe that would bring more
people out okay so how would you like to change the wording um so just list it as a public hearing like we would normally do for you know an NOI okay um just do public hearing lot you know 107 um uh input with regard to uh
conservation commission possession and future use and that's the subdivision so we used that wording a couple meetings ago so Tim I I think you might be able to find some of that language yeah okay rob did you put your hand up again or
did I not take it down yes I did okay go ahead Rob i just I just want to mention that MAPC is planning for another uh public engagement on the whole topic of the orchard on April 14th if I heard it
correctly and I recognize I may have misheard it but I think they actually there might be a way should you want to to try to weave in a specific you know brief comment period within that April 14th meeting because I think they're
talking about other aspects of the property in order to uh hear from the public um etc consistent with what I just heard um okay being stated so I just want to throw that out as a possibility for you to consider thank you for that so Chase
if we meet on the ETH I think what I just heard you say is that are we under a specific calendar to get on for the warrant we do not have a date oh uh yeah there's certainly a a timeline to get on
to the warrant uh I don't know what it is off the top of my head maybe Andrew does though it's coming up yeah yeah unfortunately I don't know off the top of my head right now too but I can check tomorrow um I know they didn't open until a week and a half two weeks ago so yeah so my only question was if
we meet on the 14th does that give us enough time we could always ask for a placeholder on the warrant as well if um you said I thought the last time we talked about this you said it was pretty late we have heard the date somebody had mentioned the date and it was later than we thought it was going to be from what I remember and and my understanding of
the select and understand that I've only spoken to select members of the select board but my understanding of their perspective is they're willing to deal with a placeholder did you get that in writing the one thing Chase that you said that
strikes me as no different than six months ago is that they are going to wait very late to make the vote to say yes we'll make this surplus and support going to the conservation commission um you know they
told us that last time too and look what happened so that part still makes me uncomfortable and maybe I'm being unfair to the selectman because like you said you've spoken with a few of them separately it in your defense I had last time too
so uh I thought last uh six months ago it was a done deal so I I hear you um let me push them a little bit more to make sure we're on their agenda and I think the important
piece is that we we apply leverage and make them make a decision certainly before town meeting right in in a more easily accessible public forum too where I think members of the public can participate as well
yeah hey uh th those initials that Rob had mentioned is that through municipal planning yeah they had the first meeting that's who we were supposed to meet with like a year ago yeah did they wait we got the
grant so now one more meeting how that they just had that meeting right a couple weeks how'd that meeting go any anybody go i stayed for Rob what time was it supposed to get over like 8 it was 6:30 at 8 i left but it kept going
okay Rob might be able to answer that about about 8:30 they ended the meeting but there was enough uh interest that they having a second one or they just um we were it was always planned and funded to do two so they have to do two so okay
one one other question what's what is their role is it what's their role paid facilitator so they're they're getting public input and someone else might be able to Well they pay they they're they're they're supplying the
facilitator for the Yeah whole team yep whole team and they reached out months ago to some of the you know people that had been involved in some of the committees as well and what we could do is if we if we do meet on the 8th they
have a fairly lengthy email list we could ask them to post for us that we're going to have a discussion on the ETH so that way we would have reached out in addition to public comment i like that idea yeah that's a really good idea i
don't have any issue with Rob's idea either the I I'm just wanting to get the time frame done so that way it doesn't get pushed for the select board when all of a sudden they're getting hammered from all the different input from other
people for other causes gotcha and and I can also see how we may be asked to have a separate discussion on this topic because this land is not actually part of the orchard and we don't it it uh part of the APR land right it's part of
the orchard complex but I'll um I'll I'll I'll work on this and figure out what the right mechanism is but at a minimum uh I like the idea of using the email distribution list to make sure people are primed to comment
okay all righty does anybody else have anything else it is 9:04 would someone like to make a motion to adjourn i move that we adjourn tonight's meeting
second all right roll call vote kyle Kyle Max Michael Michael Livingston I Ed Ed fully Sarah Sarah Seawward I Carl Melberg I Jace Jace Carri I and myself I
it's unanimous we are adjourned