okay I'd like to formally open the Litton Conservation Commission meeting it's March 4th 2025 virtually um does anyone have anything that they would like to add for administrative discussions I just have one which is a
reminder that this Thursday at 6:30 um over in the library is the mapc uh neog Hill Orchard um Community input meeting all right if we don't have any for that let's go ahead and jump
into the minutes which are dated February 18th 2025 does anyone have any um omissions or corrections I have some but I'll go last anybody have anything I've got a handful of them um let's see here under the continued public hearing
for 13 winged Cove it's a 13 public uh sorry it's continued public caring without the a in it um and then under transfer of neog lot 107 discussion that just needs the period at the end um for the land use
permit for the Littleton conservation trust owl prowl it says Miss seword move to approve we just need the D on moved um in that same sentence it's says with the condition that they at it's
missing the L for let Department um and then it says um let's see let the conservation uh Department know at least 48 hours in advance so that the police and it's
missing the E police and then uh under shade tree committee Matt kahill we're just missing the a in Kill yep and for conservation agent and assistant conservation agent updates I don't know if we wanted to add no specific updates
as the hiring process for the assistant conservation agent that's great yep and that's all I had like that was on me I think I Amy did the the minutes and I was supposed to review them and I didn't get a chance to uh it was a chaotic week all right I have a couple
on page one and you all might be able to help me with this one for 15 Powers Road down at the bottom when we were discussing with Matt I wanted to add that Matt marrow was encouraged to review previous hearings for requests and comments by the Litton Conservation
Commission because he had missed some and we had told him to just kind of go back and recapture all the things that we had talked about previously um let's see on um Sarah Indian way the third one
down float material is fully encapsulated and in good shape and removed from Lake annually because the applicant did state that um okay down shade tree committee we got
the Matt kahill so I wanted to make comment that um who's present and went through their proposed bylaw it states which has been reviewed I want it to state which is still being reviewed by
Town Council cuz that's still an ongoing process for sure um that's it that I had with Andrews I move that we accept the minutes as amended second all right roll call vote
uh Michael Michael Livingston I uh Kyle Max Ed Ed f i Sarah Sarah Seward I myself I it's unanimous all right I'm just going to move John
over and Matt marrow over okay okay I'd like to go and um let's talk about administrative discussions possible need for imperson me meeting um after March
31st it's Tim had mentioned that we don't have clarification yet on that Andrew I know that you've booked a room 103 for April 1st when do you think we'll know if we're going to be in person or it's hard to say at the moment um the
legislature is still kind of working out the details of a couple of different bills to uh basically make virtual meetings permanent uh hopefully we can get something in place uh fairly soon soon so that you know the virtual
meetings can continue um but yeah I mean everything is still pending and we're just fingers and toes crossed okay so for Commissioners we should pencil in that the next so the April 1 meeting potentially will be in room 103 and Tim
we'll ask you to send out a couple reminders on that sure okay thank you um uh Community preservation act application review yeah so I've got a couple of updates for you guys tonight the invasive species uh the Frog Pond
application was approved by the CPC so that was great um at the meeting held last month um and currently I'm just waiting on a couple of um quotes to come in for the walkway still hopefully we can get those fairly soon um but I'm
hoping to get as soon as I get those figures I'm going to send a draft out to Tim to then send you guys um with that figure that I then come up with um and hopefully we can get that um reviewed at our meeting on the 18th I believe I
don't know what day we're on now um and then the CPC meeting will be that week so if everything goes smoothly and if you guys want to move forward we certainly can and we'll go from there okay excellent that's good news
congratulations oh thank you super um assistant conservation agent updates I don't know that we have any at this point Tim is that correct uh yeah so we had we had an interview um with a strong candidate last
Tuesday um she's really she really wants the 25 hours and with the confusion of whether or not the assistant agent is going to be taking on the clean Lakes committee duties and and how many hours the position's going to be if it's gonna be 25
3240 um we're not sure we we can't you know we we can't give her an offer until we know how many hours it's going to be we have a meeting on it's actually tomorrow me and Chase are meeting with the water department um and town
administrator's office to hopefully get an answer on you if if we're getting the clean Lakes committee duties uh if we're getting increased hours how many hours it's going to be um so we can send out the offer to this
applicant um right so I'll be at that meeting as well so I I think hopefully for the the next meeting we'll have something more definitive for you all so she only interested in 25 hours that's what the posted was for was for that she
say she would not be interested what was that it sorry if it was more would she did she say she would not be interested she said 40 was a non-starter um 32 not fond of of the idea of being 32
she said she think about it I kind of got the impression it's it's awesome nonstarter but so we should we should know more hopefully tomorrow the day after so can can I ask why are we interviewing if we don't know I just doesn't really seem fair to her if we
have a post for 25 hours then we go in and say oh sorry just kidding it might be 40 hours we we did make her aware before the interview that this position could be bumped up to 32 or 40 hours and asked if she still wanted to go ahead with the interview process and she did
um just because we weren't sure where how many hours this it was actually gonna land on right Kyle we we understand that kind of frustration with that for sure yeah I can see how we we could lose a good opportunity with her if it sounds like she's a strong
candidate yeah yeah all right tree removal and dock filing checklists those have been forward on um for everyone to continue to review those if we have any comments and we can come to that later tonight if you'd like
um I think well does anyone because we do have time before the 7:45 does anyone have any questions on the tree removal or the dock filing checklist Tim have there been I don't think there's been any changes to those
correct not since you guys the last version that was sent to you guys by Amy on I think it was last week and Michael you had um looked at that the doc permitting once again right the checklist I haven't looked at it since
the uh the one that I had made some comments on earlier but I can go back and take a look your your comments were incorporated into the latest version Michael okay so we may have to up update where it says the revision date was December
31st of 2024 then um the tree removal was just updated for sure um Sarah I do have a quick um administrative item that webly great go
go for it um super quick we have or I scheduled um a meeting that clean Lakes is going to be having where DCR lakes and pond is going to be coming in and giving him kind of a lake management 101 um
there's going to be representatives from Parks and W I'll be there um water department and the CLE Lakes committee themselves um just to kind of get all on the same page of of or problems with
Littleton and what they would recommend we do and how we go about doing it do you want to let the Commissioners know when and where that meeting isend so that was scheduled Monday March 17th at 1 p.m. should be
about an hour is that in person or virtual or H it's virtual only okay can you send out a link to that when you get a chance yeah sure thing I think I just submitted the agenda uh to Andrew yesterday so I I can pass that on to you
guys and who who's running that meeting who called it uh oh boy it's her name is Cara I cannot remember her last name okay but it wasn't Littleton no it's it's uh DCR the DCR lakes and ponds rep okay great did we want to um
maybe post it as a joint venture just in case four of us wind up going we could um what wouldn't be a problem that's already posted you could remove that there's no okay so what I could do is um just tomorrow put a
concom agenda with the same link boom boom boom and okay does anyone think that they'll be around at one o'clock to sit in on that besides Tim and that's on Monday there Monday March 17th at one y yeah I already
checked my calendar I have a conflict I might be able to make that work actually yeah also okay so yeah Andrew you might you might have four okay I don't know how busy if you
are if you can multitask while you're in in the office to do that as well so I can certainly um put together a very brief agenda using the clc's and just put that up tomorrow too so we're covered okay we have two more minutes before we
can open the 7:45 continued I just realized I need to make my way to town hall and sign those CRS I haven't done that my the yes that would make two of us I meant to do that didn't have the
time do you all think you'll be able to do that in the coming days yeah I should be able get that one how can I do it uh we're up till 4:30 Ed 4:30 okay okay yeah so just to be clear that
Tim doesn't have the paperwork Andrew does oh so go to upstairs yep clerk's office okay good thing you said that because I would have gone downstairs and Andrew has lots of pens there tons of pens pick a pen any pen I
take it they disappear regularly mainly me doing it yes so next meeting so just as we catch up March 18th and then April 1st so the 18th will still be um online and then
the first we'll figure that one out was there some regulation or something that said they had to stop that's they're still in process to to determine that so Andrew will let us know at the next meeting but we do have a room scheduled
for the first which the current the current regulation is running out correct was that uh March March 31st but Andrew you said that they're discussing it now still yeah the legis has a couple of different versions going on um and a lot of communities are
writing in uh their support for keeping virtual and hybrid meetings going so hopefully the legislature can get something together that they agree on fairly soon and get it approved and we'll be good to go but it there's a pretty good chance that it's gonna run
out and there'll be a little bit of a gap between you know enacting the legislation okay they've already extended this once right we're in this because they extended it from the last time right I would be shocked if they don't find a permanent solution here it's a shame that they haven't had the foresight to get it in place before this
do so much more convenient for the for the the public never mind us it's interesting Kyle because the last time they extended it before it expired like well in advance but clock is definitely ticking on this one yeah and I wonder if it's because they're
trying to find a permanent solution now so it needs to be a little bit more robust but again that doesn't they've known for two plus years right exactly okay 7:45 we're going to go ahead and open continue discussion enforcement order 15 Powers Road
unpermitted grading and fill in a buffer zone so who do we have we've got Matt and John whoever's gonna speak if you could introduce yourself that would be great hi Matt Maro uh representing John
McAn um over for 15 Powers row John as you noted is also here as well how's it welcome John okay am I able to yes Tim will'll let you share for sure
okay okay you're that's great Matt okay so I did submit a narrative um proposed restoration of the driveway area um that was altered um I did watch
the video of that meeting so the vast majority of what my narrative was based on was based on talking points that I got from the commission on what they would like to see um The
Narrative called for once the excavation work was done before anything was loomed over and jmed over in this area where the driveway was going to be regraded back to original um it was suggested that the a
member of the commission or Tim go out and take a look at it to make sure that it's in the shape it's supposed to be in um no Phil surprises wind up showing up um Etc that is actually written in the narrative as part of the as part of the
proposed restoration plan that once the initial grading is taken up and all the fill is taken out before it is finish graded and smoothed out and bloomed and seated and Jupe matted um that the commissioner or the agent
would come out and take a look at it um just to make sure that the fill that's underneath was going to hold up so that is in the plan um it calls for the entire lower area um around the wetlands bottom of the slope to have a meadow mix
seating um the meadow mix seating has lots of uh different varieties of plants that and bloom during all three parts of the growing season um but but I also did add a vegetative barrier here of about 80 feet
long with a variety of like dogwood blueberry um and I believe it was Winterberry that I put in um the reason why I chose this particular area is one thing I had in my notes that struck me when I was on site when I was delting
the Wetland that this area between flags 4 and flags like eight and nine seem to be the most sensitive uh sensitive receptors to you know Overland flow of water um everything that comes off like for example the Wetland here at flag for
it's not shown on the plants but it veers off sharply and goes up to the side of the road by a a cul entrance off of flag one this area here is close to the slope close to the house Street flow comes off and would go back into the back section here so this would help to
create um a vegetative buffering enhance the Wildlife Area section um I called for steak Waddles um to be placed at the bottom of the slope again per remarks I heard of The commission's Wishes um I
don't know if the scrolling is showing here but I just scrolled up to the uh the meadow mix not sure if you guys had a chance to take a look at it um it's it's actually that's a really good mix that New England Wetland plants puts out
I've used it in a lot of um shall I say transitional area SL Upland restoration areas as a buffer to a wetland in this area it should take quite well um based on what I saw from the soils and the
water flow there and I also put in a uh a detail that you know the you basically would trench out the bottom to you know fit the waddle in and stake it down um I also have the
um areas here as far as the scheduling goes so essentially this spring everything would be prepared um and the excavation and cleaning and um looting looming and Jupe
matting would be completed by Spring once the commission did inspect the area that was graded out um any soils that were needed to be spread out would be also spread out in the spring for the slope buffer Reclamation it would be Jupe matted um and then seated and then
the shrubs planted um we would allow for growth over the summer I would monitor it um if anything I noted wasn't growing in if the seating was sparse we would continue to reapply um and I would file reports to I would file a report to the commission at
the end of the growing season and then for the next two years after that FAL report in the spring and the fall um on you know the growth going on um until the commission was satisfied that it was done I would note that sometimes weather
gets in the way of the work if we have an overly rainy spring um like we did I believe it was 2019 we had like April came we had like 30 days in April and 28 of them it rained so that could get in the way but you know that's why I use
the the spring range instead of like months because sometimes you have to adjust because of the weather um Matt can you just go over and just review for the Commissioners where your Waddles are so this you see this blue line
here it would be coming out from the um entrance in the driveway it would go down and then curve around the uh restored slope area here so Matt Just for future reference
we do have a code for wetlands in terms color coding for when you present um any type of plans so it's helpful just to remember that we do have codes yes okay Commissioners questions on this I
know we had had some questions in terms of um in addition to the restoration um the moving of structures or um storage items that were going to be
moved from down below up front so I'm not sure if those are shown on any plan or not there's a shed on the far left I think it I think the items that were there after
um John had purchased the the property I think we were looking at that any that were in the zone I think I'm not sure the trailers and such where they are in reference up front to the resource area
I don't know if you guys can see the screen I just flipped yeah I flipped to the other plan that John had submitted um I don't know if John wants to speak to the um areas that he stored is he's doing storage and what he's done John if you want to chime in here that'd be great yeah I guess that the inventory
list of what I have stored was the inventory list of what I have I kind of Consolidated everything out behind the shed not on the plan that oh yeah on the
plan Matt has up now behind the set shed you can see the little bumped out area that says storage C list that would be the list of if you go down the list where it says behind the shed there's a list of what's
back there Matt can you scroll down a little like this trying to see if anybody can see where that is let me see if I can zoom in what John just talked about that the
are storage that's what this is what he was referring to storage C list after the driveway is shrunk will there be enough room for that storage container the storage container is not in the driveway right
now I was under the assumption the storage container was moving because it had been added and it's in a resource area I'm sorry what did you say no I thought that previous discussions not in the last I think two or so John we had
talked about the container moving because it had been added since the purchase like when the road was done so that was in a resource area container correct Commissioners can you help here
what your recollection was I mean I'll chime in we haven't talked about the container at all but I did just file a permit I talked with Henry last week um I didn't think you needed a permit for a temporary structure I told them it's
going to be there about six months Matt if you can go through and tell us in terms of um distance to the wetlands where the proximate where the trailer is I don't know if you have something to scale so here is your 50 foot zone right
here which this plan is to scale so your 50 foot Zone would be here so if I can go back to my narrative drawing so that would be approximately in the area where you see 98.4 right here this dotted line would be your 50ft
line so it's approximately 30 ft away from the edge of the wet at the closest point I don't know if that satisfactorily answers your question Sarah it does Commissioners thoughts what have we done in the past
when it comes to putting structures inside the 50 even if it's a temporary structure which this is theoretically it's only been there forever though the container I just got I don't know six or eight weeks ago a couple
months maybe that that wasn't there when this all started no the pictures you guys have seen the pictures you see that for a few walkthroughs you guys did it wasn't there yeah no definitely
wasn't I will admit I did not see that added onto the plan this restoration plan so I mean the options here would be to either move the trailer out of the 50 Foot zone or um maybe file because it's a temporary
structure um file a request for determination with a request for a waiver noting that the structure would be removed within six months it's up to that that's a commission call because it is in your 50 foot Zone
yeah it would not be my understanding is that it would not be permitted it wouldn't meet the waiver it wouldn't meet your waiver criteria I don't believe so I I obviously can't speak for anyone but that's just thoughts on
that so so under the enforcement order we were not talking about out when this all started the container was not there correct correct and the container has been added into a resource
area so enforcement would be that it would have to be removed yeah I can I could put it outside the the buffer zones I guess okay do I I guess if it's outside the 100 foot buffer zone yep then we then it
doesn't that wouldn't doesn't matter to us then as long as you're out of the 100 John that'd be great yeah I'll throw it right up on the side of the road yeah you can move it Street side basically right here in the front yard temper it's a temporary structure so it would be gone after summer so right yeah I guess
if I put it up there it could stay there a lot longer though in theory right yeah I think you just have to as you said talk to the was it the code enforcer that you were speaking with yeah that's who he was speaking to Y building yeah okay so John if you could because it
sounds like there may have been some things that were done prior to our last site walk can you tell us have has anything been removed that was there that was supposed to be removed out back like some of those the plastic storage containers that I think historically
hold water or things like that anything that's in the resource area the plastic containers that are water tyght San wrapped uh yes I did move them closer to behind the shed okay so are they out of the 50 Foot now
do you think um yeah oh definitely I don't think I don't think there I guess besides the storage container I don't believe there's anything inside the 50 Foot okay yeah what he had what he had
done was the areas that you guys were concerned about he basically cleaned up took everything out and moved it either he stored some in the shed or he moved it behind the shed outside the 50 Foot or put it in the container at the bottom of the driveway yep which will now be at
the top of the driveway now over here y yeah right up on the side of the road okay all right Commissioners other other questions that we might have for for Matt or John Tim
anything so I guess in what I'm hearing is that we have a restoration plan if we're comfortable with that and to recognize that this can start we would start with removing the container
first and then when the weather permitted begin on the erosion plan yeah we throw out I thought we threw some dates out last meeting can you remind me of those car
no that's I can't unfortunately um there was I want to say there's some some about April not starting until April or I don't know Matt or John do you recall those dates we had spoken about mid April uh usually when I put spring it usually
refers to Mid April I probably should have clarified that on the report but I can tell you now that usually that's why I said um about you know the April Shower sometimes get in the way so so we meet again on March 18th and April
1st um um do you anticipate any other changes to this this plan I don't anticipate any changes um but what I will do is is work with John
and if he moves the storage container prior to the March 18th meeting I won't appear but I'll send either myself or John will send a message to Tim saying hey the container has been moved go check it out and then um I'll check in an April first with you guys just to
talk about you know preconstruction for the spring just to check in I probably won't have a chance to get to it but maybe the maybe the April 1 meeting because you see the problem is now that there's a bunch of stuff in the container so now I have to take a bunch
of stuff that's in the container out of the container to then move the container and then put everything back into the Container now that's true we are going to have some rain and some serious snow melt going on so yeah um talk to us a little bit about um
because I I haven't seen the the container so I'm assuming it's a standard 20 foot shipping container yeah I know what it is I'm just saying in terms of where it's placed in reference to where you had the breakout going down the driveway on the right I'm just
curious if we have behind the breakout pardon me behind that like little you're talking about that little like open opening where water might have been going yeah I'm just trying to make sure that the site is ready for like if
all of a sudden we have a thaw or more rain oh I didn't take the Waddles out Waddles are still there they go right up to the front of it okay Waddles are in the same spot that you guys came out and verified I think Commissioners what would you like
to do so we keep moving continue this to the 18 I mean guess sounds like he wants to continue to April 1 yeah what what do we what what would be looking for at the 18th at this
point could just y so if we go to the first what are the expectations of what will be done for the first so that way we can move on and and hopefully start to close this out yeah that's what I'm asking what
else is it just that that container needs get out of the resource area right that's what I'm seeing as the other than performing the work I believe so but also that nothing else gets added because last time we've added a container was there a trailer at the end
of the driveway there was something there I thought there was Ed you're correct okay that's why I thought it was a container the contain trailer was one of the many things that had been uh removed okay
I think for me on April 1st that the storage container has moved and Matt's prepared to start doing the work in the next couple weeks after that that seems like a reasonable uh okay so Matt we will continue this to
April 1 with the understanding that the Thursday prior you'll submit photos and an update of where we are but just to be clear that the expectation is that we'll be ready to go for the first okay I'm just writing this
down okay Commissioners have any other questions or John do you have any questions not at this moment okay all right if you have questions feel free to call or email Tim and we will see you on April 1st can't
wait thank you okay thank you it's 80 good night guys it's 8:05 we're gonna open the 8:00 continued public meeting request for determination of applicability 10 Sarah Indian
way U 27-1 15-0 reconstruction of shed and dock permitting let's okay Mr Brooks are you here good evening a can you guys hear me yeah John if you could introduce yourself that would be great yeah sure uh my name is
John Brooks I'm the owner of tensar Indian way okay just give me a chance I'm gonna share some slides with you guys yep thank you can you guys confirm you can see these slides yep great um John I just want to thank you
for your plans showing kind of the the two Alternatives yeah you're welcome uh you guys will recall from last time we talked about two things the pering of an existing temporary Dock and the Reconstruction of an existing shed within the original footprint there is no outstanding concerns about the doc so
I'm just going to move to the concerns that we had uh with with Excuse me with respect to the shed if that's okay so John just so you know oh there you go you're going to have to zoom in quite a bit or zoom out quite a bit there you go Okay cool so we we
talked just uh the way I kind of approach this was just risks mitigations and then kind of assess for you know residual risk at the end I kind of started off with the erosion control from the soil that was being removed and talked about the mitigation which I was just going to remove it from the 100
foot buffer zone didn't seem to be any concerns about that and then you all added in some uh risks as well and I'd like to go over those risks now um Mr gbig mentioned there was he wanted me to um address the storage of materials uh
specifically well I kind of guessed the risk of probably erosion or damage to vegetation was probably what he was thinking um my mitigation is really just to not store anything down there basically uh there's really no reason to store anything if I bring materials down it will be
uh to actually construct the shed and because there's a a row down there I'll just leave an exit with the materials at the end of the day the only exception really is I would ask that once I build the floor system the shed that I can store Lumber Etc on on the actual um the
floor deck and then I've notated that um as well in the plan so if we just kind of go up here you'll see uh note four is material storage on the floor system or outside the 100 foot buffer zone only so
given Mr gerig isn't here does anybody want to speak about this yeah your assumption's right it was it was soil material was the question where if you as you start to dig these for these peers your footings where you're going to
stockpile the Earth material that you excavate that was I don't think your Lumber sitting on your on your floor is fine we're not worried about Lumber washing down into the pond and I don't I think Chase was relatively comfortable with this
knowing that your driveway is also there acting as a buffer but you we don't want to see a you know 30 cubic yard stockpile of soil just sitting next to the pond and have the ability to wash down into it yep
agree um any other thoughts on that for I move to the next one I think can carry on uh there is a discussing uh to that point there is a discussion as well I think from Mr folz about just general erosion within the work area during construction and there
was a suggestion to install erosion control prior to construction so that's what I have notated on the plans so here the blue line is the erosion control just surrounding uh the entire work area and it was suggested Wadd so that seems
like uh what I would likely do um I think Mr folz do you want to speak this I think you brought up this concern I think that's fine does the job okay uh let's
see uh there's some there's some conversation about whether it would be worth it to move the shed Upland uh I think Mr Maxfield you you talked about this originally and Mr gerg talked about it as well it seemed it seemed to be that the conclusion where we ended up was it it could be worth
moving it up but only if there was a stabil a stabilization plan that was in place and approved by a conservation agent and so what I've done is effectively created a separate plan for that you'll notice I have one plan which
is that original location and a and the second plan which I'm calling the alternate plan which is in that that second location which is uh further away from the Wetland and I've noted a few things one is that stabilization area which is where the old shed is located now and then it
references note five which is a stabilization plan would be approved by the conservation agent once footings posts are established um Mr Maxfield do you want to talk about this a little bit yeah I guess you appreciate looking
into this we just need some more details on on what what this stabilization area would consist of it sounds like right now it's exposed gravel um as actually well I think with the way we left it is the the
the plan would be due if I moved it back that was kind of where we left it so I just haven't notated it as hex hexagonal like a fill pattern but that's not the plan obviously the the plan would be if I decide to move it back I I submit a
plan to you all for approval and you know based on some recent conversations I've had with Miss green and some of my neighbors it would it would likely be um even even though the plants wasn't really due uh it would likely be just moving like um some pine needles and
leaf litter in place as well as potentially planting some birch trees um the uh one of these trees uh I don't know if you guys can see my cursor one of these trees is a birch tree and it's probably a good choice uh as well
and like the last thing I had in mind was potentially uh some ground cover uh there's a few plants that were suggested to me but I didn't think that the conversation would happen now given our last conversation so that that plan would be would have to be due and
accepted if I decided to move it back is that still is that still something the way you're thinking Mr Maxfield or would you prefer to see the plan up front yeah I I think we'd probably want to see it up front just you know I don't want you to get to a point where you start doing
this work and you're like okay yep I'm going to I do have to move it over or move it back to this alternate location and now we haven't seen something right we we typically approve those those restoration or replanting plans as part of the initial packet okay given my
there can be some flexibility there so even the narrative that you just put forth to us is fine so just to put that narrative on this plan would then allow us to close out the request for
determinate for applicab ility so but as Kyle said we you don't want to stop start stop start because if it's the summer it could be caught up in in meeting so it's best to come up with your narrative now with the assumption that you have the choice to do one or
the other whether you keep it in the same footprint or you're able to move it up gradient yeah that's fine with me uh do you guys have any feedback based on what I just told you my plan is the birch trees the ground ground cover in the you
know mo moving that you know the pineos leaf litter in is any feedback on that I can get now is this High I'm just curious what the the tree I do there's a few trees shown on this plan but does this area get any sort of daylight any sun I guess
my concern is we'd have to talk with Tim or S what what would be able to grow what what's suitable for this area and certainly not my specialty but and just putting pine needles and LEF whatever isn't that all just going to wash away well it's it's kind of what's there
naturally now if you if you look up on that slope and I do have some pictures if you guys want to see it probably wouldn't hurt for me to go look at those pictures again you you could do some erosion mulch as well um which has some nice kind of clay binder in there as
well erosion MCH okay yeah yeah the I don't know the the ground cover is there's no understory here it's just kind of that kind of material this is a a birch tree on the left and there's a Hemlock over there so that's what the two trees that you see
next to the road is there a lot of light there there's not a lot of sun but um I I think originally I was thinking Evergreens but I just don't think that's a good choice in Miss screen suggested a birch might be a better choice so I think she's right yeah I think anything you can add
in there to to stabilize the the ground that you that is going to see daylight that it hasn't seen many many years um would be great okay Commissioners do you feel comfortable approving both versions um I
would think that at the if you could come back um Mr Brooks with a a narrative on the plan I would feel comfortable putting forth um this to close for the next meeting if that's what you'd like to
do I had a question on on the the upload version you had a linear drain underneath wasn't that linear drain originally intended to be to take the water off the roof and
um and it it wouldn't want to be underneath yeah so there was actually one last one which was uh after erosion under the existing uh yeah there's one last risk which was erosion due to roof runoff that was I think Miss SE mentioned that I looked at a a bunch of
options on this and I'm happy to get into the different options I looked at uh in the end I I chose sort of the simplest and least invasive uh which is really just to use the the land underneath the shed as infiltration and my strategy would be to install a wash
stone bed under the shed and to collect water off the roof with gutters and to distribute it via a linear drain uh and then I've notated that on the plans so Mr folz that's what you're seeing on those plans is that is that linear drain
y we do have somebody from the public who has raised their hand and like to speak yep um Commissioners do you have any questions regarding that drain before we take questions I guess how how are you
conveying the water to that because so this the drain is under the shed right is are we trip off the edge and yeah I thought there's two ways I could go with this basically the the down spouts will Connect into that linear drain remember
the the shed is off the ground so there's space under the shed to run a collection point and then um there's two ways to deal with the linear drain you could you could actually put it in the stone bed or you could just suspend it from the joist I I
was thinking to just suspend it from the joist uh I would actually be able to see it work and perform that way and uh I'd also be able to if there were any problems it would be apparent and obvious to me so that was kind of the way I I thought I would start off and I think it would
work yeah it's interesting yeah I'm okay with that I it just a matter of how I guess now I get a better picture of what you're what you're describing great all right let's go ahead we have a hand up with L Tower if you could go ahead and give your full
name in your address that would be great hi I'm Paula foresight torielli I've owned the ab buding lot since 1977 while I'm not against the fundamental premise of this I do have
some questions I'd like to have answered surely go ahead thank you for your introduction and just for the commission as you're looking at the lake are you on the mine mine is next to what used to be
ches so the the Commissioners here may may not know that while while I do you might not you might have to say to the left or the right well as I'm as I'm looking at at the pond I am to his lefta is to his right
great okay so if You' like to ask your questions that we'll try and help you okay um well I I I definitely agree the the boat house needs to be repaired because it was built prior to 1989
okay so there's no problem with that I Mr Brooks's drawings or what have you have not been to scale so I'm a little um befuddled about things like that I do have a concern about there's no showing
the setback from Boat House way uh why he didn't have any blueprints or diagrams to scale or total photo photos of the boat house because uh including even the vegetation and trees behind
it I have problem with that and he said he was going to put it the same footprint and yet in the prior meeting he said it was about 8 feet wide Etc now he wants to build a 10x 20 plus a 4x1
steers and uh Landing so um that that wasn't clear and it was misleading at the prior meeting and um is there any reason to move the um boat house any
further back closer to the um property line and uh let me see well I I addressed the the trees and the ground cover Etc um in your your mission statement I believe that you um that the Littleton
Conservation Commission um did not make site visits um during the wet season you know the rain snow Etc so I mean I I really think it would behoove you to go down there and take a look at it because um Mr Brooks both in
his 2021 and this his um on his noi and his d DOA um didn't include a number of the items on his checklist and I believe I'm not sure but I got the impression that when he was talking about um
leaving his building supplies and his cement mixer that would be on the private driveway it is not a private driveway it is Boat House way and it's on Littleton Maps um L27 and it's name
yep okay let's go ahead Mr Brooks do you want to start to address um some of the the questions that have been put forth yeah absolutely uh this actually is a tocale plan uh I've I've taken measurements this is a cad drawing it is tocale uh there is a setback here this
10- foot is not marked as a setback but down in this bottom right hand corner that is the setback it's 10 foot in Littleton Massachusetts and that's why it exists so that is the setback uh there's a question about size uh it is true uh we talked about this
last time the current shed is 8 by 25 and that's 200 square F feet and I've changed it to a 10x 20 the reason I've changed it is because the current shed is a little bit closer to 10 feet so it's it's uh it's not it it wouldn't it wouldn't abide by the 10- foot setback
rule so by changing the size of the set shed I actually am I am in alignment with the setback rule um it is the same size it's the same size and then yeah there is a uh there is a porch and
stairs on the front uh but the there's a the reason for that is because you can't open a door on stairs for one and two is if you look at the original shed which again there there are pictures of the shed it's not part of the application it's part of the it's part of the
presentation that I'm showing right now can and I assume you can see the presentation but uh this is this is quite a bit of area for stairs so it's not it's not like I'm trying to slide slide one by
anybody um site visit um Miss Miss green and Mr Pearson did come down at some point and talk to me a little bit about it so that prior to me prior to me filing um I I'm not going to store a concrete mixer in the road uh at the end
of the day uh when I'm done I'm I'm removing all all my materials and going back up to my house with them I'll you know I'll be working out of a pickup truck um uh did I miss anything think you had
mentioned that the for in order to be accurate with the building code you did have to readjust the landing for the stairs and that's where you're at that 4 foot in terms of proper um in terms of
ESS or correct you can't can't be on like Co Cod doesn't allow you to open a door into a stairwell so you have to have a landing area to do that they wouldn't approve it it's not safe y may I speak yes all
right now this is all based on what Mr Brooks presented at the last meeting okay he did not have a number of these items he did not have the dimensions he did not have the setback and the footage and what happed you I I mean uh of
course when he I went on what he presented the last time okay um and are you able to see what he has on his screen what's been presented so yes it is it is common that these um these
hearings evolve over time and so um historically we would have a meeting Amy and Tim did go out on site and it does not require that Commissioners need to go on site we have agents that can do that for us and so we had asked Mr
Brooks to give us more detail and he has provided that um to scale to us tonight for this discussion all right now one one other thing though um that's still well on the dock I've I've got no problems but I
mean he was very misleading in his previous presentation I mean if you built the dock yourself you should not how old it was because you bought the materials so I mean that's one other thing and I believe least I believe that you misled the group uh when you did
mention you would be storing um your building materials and cement mixer on the private driveway now this is not about the EAS or access that Mr Pearson keeps thinking that's I'm going to Hound upon uh when
we were down there at Thanksgiving though you had block off the roadway with saw horses and I could not get to my property I have a camp there where are you going to park your vehicle are you going to block the road so I can't have
access no I can pull it to the side absolutely that's not a problem Commissioners do we have any additional questions based on some of the questions or comments that have been put forth yes Mr Rook do you have a preferred alternative I guess I haven't
really heard a direction on which route you're going to attempt I know we have a a preliminary alternative but I haven't you mean you mean in terms of these two plans Mr Mai yeah are you gonna try to do the primary or I think I'm gonna try and do the primary yeah I've been going
back and forth whether there's a like it's worth the effort to move it back I think longterm there might be because I can improve the area in front of it but it obviously requires a bit more work but but I don't know I keep going back and forth but if you ask me today like yeah I'm probably just going to stick
with the primary good so if you're going to stick with the primary and not have the second option we could entertain if there's no more discussion closing that but if you do want the
opportunity to have a second option you would have to give us the narrative on the stabilization area which would then we would put forth to the March 18th meeting what is your pleasure got can I just take a quick quick poll the
Commissioners like do you guys feel like there's value in moving this back or not Commissioners you've been asked for an opinion which is not a vote I don't see
value what we was it s maybe yeah I personally I don't I mean you're going to expose ground that hasn't been stabilized compared to putting this shed over current stabilized land in my eyes I assume I would rather
it stay in the same foot footprint okay those three those three trees Mr Brooks in front are those going to be able to remain the hemlocks and that Pine I mean the um yeah yeah I guess that would be the one stipulation right there is if somehow
trees would get destroyed then I'm not gonna hurt the trees and they'll remain there so yeah I guess given your feedback I guess I would say uh yeah let's just go with the primary and uh I'll leave the the I'll leave the
alternate off the plan are those three trees noted on this plan I see two or definitely are there's one at the bottom there's a a birch tree at the bottom here you guys see that near the erosion control pictures yeah the pictures seem
to show more than just two trees I guess oh yeah I didn't I didn't put anything that was like not within the work area going these the two sorry those are the two trees there's no trees here there's a
dead there's a dead Hemlock right here that's uh like sitting there I didn't put that on the plan that's not going anywhere you have four trees right there so I think those are closer to the property boundary I they're a lot further than we think there's one birch tree to the right of this that you can't
see okay that's the last birch tree I have I have three trees notated on that plan and then there is man was there an Upland shot I don't think I have an Upland shot so Sarah that Hemlock if you look at his plan is at the corner of the shed so those other two are further away
for the all I want to make sure is that they're noted on this plan yeah y there all the trees that are in the area are notated on that plan there's obviously a lot more trees in the area that aren't even that we really don't need to discuss so Mr Brooks did you say the or the
current footprint is 8 feet by 25 feet yes so and you're bringing it down to 20 ft so that means it's going to be 5T that's under the shed right now that's going to no longer under the shed
right you lost me on that a little bit well youve got 25 feet now you're going down to 20 feet correct so that five extra five feet at the end that extra five feet is is uh where
that landing and the stairwells goes remember so that basically so the footprint itself is is in fact 20 ft Plus plus the landing after that 20t plus the landing yeah and then this one is 25 ft plus the stairs
right I didn't put these like this is probably no no that's what I was asking though this one the picture you have right here you said it's 25 feet long it is yep plus plus the stairs plus the stairs plus the stairs yeah right you're going down to 20 feet plus stairs
correct w't there be 5T that's currently underneath this that will now be no longer under it and will need to have some kind of treatment similar to what if you were to move the shed
uphill um the four foot the four foot stair Landing is pretty much your five feet head right yeah so so your your space is still 200 and then you're adding the stairs on yeah I see where you're you're going in but I I think
that the stairs are are taking into that cover all but maybe a foot of it right I just heard 25 feet and stairs and we're seeing 20 feet plus the stairs so I wondered what happened to the five feet right
okay um so is it your pleasure to just stick with plan a correct yeah let's stick with the primary plan okay is there any other discussion or questions on this for 10 Sarah Indian way we have a
hand up it's Paula again yep go ahead please introduce yourself again please Paula foresight torielli okay okay uh I'm wondering how come it still says private driveway and then it ends at um
the boat house and also uh what what is the wide we have the lot line on the other side of of Mr Brook's lot and is 10 feet uh enough to the Strayer
property 10t is 10t is is the set the required setback for the town of Littleton okay so 10 10 is the minimal in other words correct okay that is that is the minimum that is required by the town all right and uh I I still don't
understand why um it says private driveway when it's an accepted um on the town Maps my only other question being is um was anyone
else erroneously misled at the last meeting I could swear that Mr Brooks said he was going to park his materials on boat house way while I was building it and I thought that was brought up by one
of the uh commission members at the time yeah I think Mr gig mentioned it um but I have no intention of storing materials on the driveway excuse me may I I didn't ask you Mr Brooks I asked the Commissioners to make to find out if any
of them because he you did not respond to the gentleman's answer at the time on a number of things who just kind of left it hanging there vaguely and I I don't find that very forthcoming very okay so what we're gonna do so let us carry on with this so
Commissioners do we have any questions so on this we can have Mr Brooks denote and remove the private driveway and put the name proper signage of that road yeah in his packets there it's in he
provided the town map the parcel map right sure it's fine if you want to I guess do some cross some te yep and then it would also be in the notes that the road cannot be blocked during construction that you still have to have
right away Tim you can put that in yeah that's just a condition right and he I mean he answered the question I when we talked about material storage that nothing would be stored in the area or in the resource area right I assume that's a standard
condition anyway all of our projects okay do we have a motion this is a request for determination of applicability sure I will make a m motion that we close public caring and
is it issue A3 determination uh for 10 s Inda u271 15-0 do we have a second with the conditions with waiver oh sorry yeah
with the conditions in waiver that's discussed second all right roll call vote uh Kyle Kyle Maxi Ed Ed F Tai Michael Michael Livingston I Sarah Sarah
he word I myself I it's unanimous stim can you just make sure one of those conditions is that if the second alternative like I guess we have to make sure that that second alternative is in their conditions somewhere right no we're not so he would just have to re yeah so we're there is no second
Condition it's only so that presented um is approved makes sense okay thank you Mr Brooks great thank you okay it's 837 we're going to go ahead to the 8:15 continued public hearing notice of intent 91 mwani Trail
Mass d 204-1147 d26 -0 bylaw waiver required addition and renovation of existing deck who's here to speak with that Kevin
Eastman where did he go there he is Kevin you are muted at the at the moment Mr Eastman Mr Eastman you're you're muted okay Mr Eastman you're on if you'd like to chat with us Commissioners you'll note that in
your packet you received narrative from Mr Eastman which was two pages and then three pages of four pages of photos and diagrams Mr Eastman I can see that you're no longer muted I'm not sure if
you can see us or hear us Commissioners I do not want to proceed unless Mr Eastman is able to kind of go through The Narrative of all his drainage Commissioners what would you like to do
would you like to put hold off for a little bit on Mr Eastman and go to our 8:30 that sounds good okay that makes sense Mr Mr Eastman if you can connect with us we will put you on after our
8:30 notice of intent so um I'm GNA move Bruce over okay so I'd like to go ahead and keep the 8:15 open we'll come back to it hopefully with Mr Eastman and officially
open the 8:30 continued public hearing notice of intent hey Corner 195 to hat on are 07-10 Mass D 20489 construction of an open space development including tree clearing and
grubbing Grading construction of subdivision roadway storm Water Management Systems septic systems and multi- single family dwelling Mr Ringwald are you here good evening good evening Bruce could you introduce yourself for those that may not know you
Bruce ringwall from goldmouth Preston ringwall representing Healey Corner uh this evening um I apologize that I didn't get anything to you guys much in advance of this meeting um but uh Court action
actually just wound up the end of last week I had conversations uh with the applicant um and I had sent Tim at the very end of the day after Tim left a written document uh requesting the withdrawal of
this notice of intent um and uh ask the board to agree to allow us to withraw this notice of intent commission pardon okay you have been heard and I just have
to have the members acknowledge that as well Bruce so um with a formal withdrawal we would accept that with a unconditional vote so I make a motion that it the
withdrawal is supported second all right roll call vote uh Sarah Sarah Seward I Kyle Maxi I Ed and F
Michael Michael night and myself I it's unanimous thank you Bruce you want to give us you want to give us any update or you just leave us hanging we see you again or you know I I really don't know I don't know exactly what is going on in the
background I know that uh Lots one and two have been sold uh from the anr plan that was done um I'm working with that contractor currently um I don't know about the rest
of the property at this point I've not been enlightened okay I guess but I will hang out if I may because I think I'm know well I have to officially close you out of this one so so I would like to now continue with
keeping 91 mwaniki open and go to the next hearing which is scheduled for 8:35 it's 8:45 now it is a continued public hearing notice of intent 35 Queen u5- 23-4 oh
no-0 uh Mass DP 24973 this is a house demolition as required by the building inspector so Bruce I understand you are representing 35 Queen I I am more or less now you may
know and remember that uh GPR did not file this notice of intent um this notice of intent was filed actually by Sean Ken for the property owner um Sean and I have had Sean's had
more conversation with property owner than I I've asked for input I wanted to have something to you guys a week ago um and I got authorization from Shan today late this afternoon again sent a a
formal letter and um authorization email from uh Sean whereby GPR didn't make this filing I don't have a letter of authorization that was in our file so I got one today uh to also request to withdraw
the uh property owner is uh heading in a different direction um I'm not sure exactly what that direction is so um again as representative of Mr Keen I will request that the commission allow
us to withdraw this notice of intent as well and I'm only sad that I didn't get to do these for Amy while she was still there but here in spirit okay I would uh formerly request the commission go ahead and withdraw this notice of intent for
35 queen that would be my motion second roll call vote uh Sarah I Kyle Kyle Kyle Maxfield I Ed Ed FS Michael Michael Livingston I and myself
I it's unanimous great anything in the pipeline for Littleton or no yes yes yes but nothing right today all right we will wait with baited breath I'm sure okay all right do I get the prize though for the longest
open hearing you might at least in my tenure for sure yeah and the shortest hearing uh in the evening and the shortest hearings of the evening there you go two two back to back longest open open job with no no result though that's
an interesting way to end it there you go all right guys I look forward to seeing you soon I will have a filing for you in the near future okay thank you Bruce have a good night guys it is 8:46 we're going to keep open the 91
mwan and go to our 840 which is a continued public hearing notice intent 13 winged Cove Road Mass D 204 D what is that 108 U 48-60 bylaw waiver request required
Demolition and reconstruction of existing house and Associated work and permitting docks all right who's here Melissa I am moving you to panelist Kyle Melissa
anybody Melissa is muted hey hi there welcome how's it going so um we'll be quick too uh we spoke with Amy actually on her last day um congrats to her uh
but we just wanted to she said you know just come on and formally request this so we are still in the house planning stages so we're looking for um you know she recommended a six-month extension just to get us to where we
want to be a little bit closer so we're not coming back and forth too much okay and we appreciate that um Tim you and I had talked about this so Melissa at the present time because we have to extend it to an actual date in the future we're only booking out right now
August 19th so for tonight's purposes we're going to say August 19th but once we know those other months we'll just go ahead and continue it out with perfect yeah appreciate it thank you guys so much for your time yeah and so as you
start to formulate different plans try and give us like a month's notice so that way we can start to get you back in the fold for meetings but as of tonight we'll continue to August 19th all right thank you guys have a good one okay
thank y by um the 8:45 uh Chase is not here so we will do that the next time transfer of neog nothing has happened um let's come back
to the 8:15 continued public hearing notice of intent 91 mwan Trail Mass d204 d114 Mr Eastman I see that you're on can you hear us and can you speak with us
Tim any suggestions Amber any suggestions just going to say disconnect and reconnect I was going to say maybe disconnect and try isn't there a way you can you can call in with your phone but you don't get to see anything it's I
think it's just audio right I believe that should be that number's on the link for the town in the agenda yeah yeah but we don't know if he can hear you that's a good point short of Tim sending an email I got
nothing Tim do you want to open your email and see if you have anything in there yeah I don't have anything okay um well that's unusual um I guess with the commission's support
and just logged off do we want to try to see if he logs back on he already did Kev try that so if there's someone that's in as
a panelist we have three people oh okay Tim do you know who that is have you no uh they just joined so I'm assuming that's that's Kevin the other two have been here for quite a
while so Mr Eastman if that's you that's kevu you are both muted and your camera's off which would be the lower left of your Zoom screen and we see that your microphone
is off no is on now any Zoom Wizards out there that want to help I was just looking at our agenda and actually unfortunately the um the number
isn't included in our posting isn't it there when you first click that link though a number comes up maybe not I think that's just the uh the webinar ID actually okay the only thing gu we don't know if Kevin can hear us
but Kevin if you click the arrow next to the the mute button in the bottom left bunch of options come up for audio you might have to just try to pick a different speaker if you have a different option or pick a different microphone right I'm sorry microphone
that's I was looking at speaker mic Commissioners what would you like to do I'm not sure we have any options yeah unfortunately difficulties and all um I would encourage everyone to read the backup notes that were
submitted U for Mr Eastman so Mr Eastman I'm not sure if you can hear us or not but if you'd like to contact Tim at the conservation office we will go ahead um and move you to our next meeting which is March 18th which is
still online um maybe he can work with Tim also about or even how to use a zoom we've talked to him in the past hopefully we've met with him more than
once right so right I think we've had technical difficulties the past we did so perhaps even I don't know if you can do it at the library or do it somewhere else as well okay um it's 8:54 if we
could have a motion to adjourn please so moved second second all right final roll call of the night uh Sarah Sarah SE ey Kyle Kyle Max die Ed Ed fol Michael
Michael Livingston I and myself I we are adjourned thank you everyone