[Music] Good evening. This is the Littleton Zoning Board of Appeals and we're going to start according to our agenda with minutes. Did everyone get a chance to review the minutes? >> Yes.
>> Does anyone have any changes? They were pretty simple. No, >> look good. >> They they look really good to me. Um, Sherry always has something. >> You know what? I'm not going to worry about it. So, I would take a motion to
accept the minutes as drafted. >> Um, so move. >> Second. >> Seconded by Rob, led by John. >> Are you writing this down for the >> No, because they're recording it. >> That's true. >> And I don't need to. I know she makes
notes, but but it seems silly to me because now >> are you a member now or you still an alternate? >> As far as I know, I'm still an alternate. >> Oh, you could assign him until she does it. >> Okay. Um well, we can't start the meeting till 7:15 because that's what or
7:16. >> 7:10. It says >> 7:10. >> Oh, no. Because I'm looking at the minutes. So, we >> can't start the meeting at hand until 710. So, >> so we have member comments and mail. You have any mail? Not that I know of. Um, member comments.
Does anyone want to say anything? >> We already figured out you haven't been officially appointed yet. So, I'm going to appoint you as the as the member for >> um here alternate for this question. >> And um I understand John is not coming
back. So, we need to get select when to officially appoint you and then you'll have to go back to um Diane and get signed in officially again. >> Oh, okay. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Um the Littleton Road Race, I believe, is this weekend. >> It is. Thank you.
>> Yeah, we can talk about that. And um that's >> I'm locked in my yard for two hours. >> Well, then don't be locked in your yard for two hours. Walk your little butt down to the fire station and volunteer. No, >> I'll be down there volunteering. I'm doing registration in bib pickup on
Saturday and then um registration Saturday Sunday afternoon and then I'm working the finish line. >> That's a full day >> on Sunday. Well, no, it's only in the afternoon. >> It's only for a couple hours. >> Okay. >> There's two races. There's a >> onem fun walk or whatever
>> and then there's a then there's the five mile run. Is it >> I kind of co-chair the >> 5k to the 5k. >> Yes. I kind of co-chair the Apple man. Yeah. >> Which um is a triathlon with as many as 500 racers.
>> And um that is I mean we start set up at 4:30 at the beach on Saturday and um this last week my husband and I finished at 11:00 at night. And then the next morning I was there by 4 am to or I was
up by 4 I should say I was up by 4 am I was there by 5 am >> to >> full couple days. >> Yeah it's a full well no because we're cleaned up and gone from that beach by noon completely gone. You can't even tell we were there except for the portaotties are still there. Um and we
it it's Littleton Rotary that does it. We made $40,000 for charity this last year and 100% of it goes to charity. It's a wonderful thing. We sponsor everything from Eagle Scout Projects to um
you name it. >> LYSM. >> Lysm. Yep. We sponsor this LYM. We named a room at the center senior center uh this year for $10,000. Um, we've we're Rotary does a great job of being kind of
an emergency any nonprofit needs emergency help. For example, the VFW had trouble with their heating system a couple years ago and they came to us. We could write a check for $7,000 for them. You know, that kind of thing. It's really 90% of what we raise stays very
locally. Um, we do blanket drives for the homeless shelter in LOL and we help loaves and fishes, but everything else is pretty local. So that's all good. And the Littleton Road Races, which I opened with was does the supports the track down at the
school. And recently I think they added what did they add? They added a a pit for jumping a jumping pit. What's that called? >> Pole jumping or something like that. >> Poleing is that someone's nodding in the background. Who knows what >> a pole ball running thing uh to make it
permanent being flopping around. Oh, it's all good. >> Yeah. >> You know, these these things for charity, these activities for charity that managed to raise so much money and do so much good. >> Speaking of all good, I think tonight we've got some observers, some scouted
observers. Maybe we should take a minute to just acknowledge and come back for >> ah are you here because you're attending you're get working on government. What's it called? What's the badge? >> Citizenship. >> Citizenship badge. >> The community, I'm pretty sure.
citizenship in the community. I remember my son did that. We I dragged him to a town meeting and made him stay for the whole thing. He didn't like it. >> But that was great. Um, which troop were you in? >> Troop 20.
>> My son was in troop one. >> I I thought I recognized the the last call. Your your husband, I presume, was a assistant scout master in one. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Yep. And he's still >> he's piloting, right? Or type a aviation? >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. Yep.
>> Yeah. He's um in civil air patrol and he has his private pilot's license. In fact, that's how he got me to date him. He kept flying me to Nucket for dinner. He was very hard to resist. But um yeah, he he got Troop one. You
should Troop 20's leaders should talk to him. I bet he'd be willing to do a a section for Troop 20, too. He took um Troop one's kids up up in a plane. >> I heard up up in a heard >> up up in our plane. He got he got um
>> he did it during a young eagles. So the insurance was there and the supervision was there and it um a young eagles is a AOPA likes goal was to get a million kids in the air to promote private
aviation and they did that very quickly. Um but they still do them. So Young Eagle's project is a day when all these pilots volunteer their planes and themselves to fly kids, usually underprivileged kids, um and take them up in the air and fly them around the
airport. and maybe the only time a lot of these kids ever get up in the in a plane, but um and that's certainly probably not true for our troop, but they had a great time and um they got to he let a bunch of them fly the plane,
which is fun. >> That was scary. That was scary. >> Well, you know, there's almost nothing he can't recover from, >> right? And and they they can't do anything he could. >> He didn't let him scare Not him flying scares me. It'll be like immediately into his plane. That would that would be
>> so if the leaders we we haven't actually opened the hearing yet because it's not scheduled to open till 7:10. >> You have three minutes. >> We're still doing member comments. We're talking about young eagles and we have some some boy scouts here working on their citizenship badge.
>> And that's a lovely thing. >> Sorry. Thank you. Thanks for calling me. I've already appointed Dave the alternate for tonight and we are ready for you to open the hearing when you're ready. >> Oh, you haven't even opened. >> Well, yet >> we approved the minutes though as as
drafted because we thought they were simple. We thought they were probably okay. >> So, you open the meeting but not hearing >> and the Boy Scouts. >> I'm sorry. >> I wasn't here at the beginning. What are you working on? >> Citizenship in the community. >> Oh, wow. So, you're watching us? >> Yes.
>> They're observing us. Which troop are you with? >> Troop 20. >> And who's your leader? >> Dan Kane. >> You here? >> We're assistant three assistant leaders. >> We have three assists leaders here as well. So So I'm the petitioner this
evening. >> But you're also an assistant leader. >> I'm also assistant leader and that's one of my sons. >> Very nice. >> Watch out, you can get caught. My hus, my youngest has already graduated from college and in fact he's 20 gosh, he's 23 now. And Mark still gets called in to
fill in and help. >> That would be him. >> But you should talk to him. I'm sure he'd be happy to do it. >> He was called in to help too. And it is his finished up a while ago. >> Um Thanks. >> I'm sure that he'd be willing to do an aviation section for troop 22.
>> I I'll talk to the the group because I know I definitely know um Don Don's contact information who I'm sure uh Belrami has his information too. Yeah, Don has it, too. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> I think we're ready to open the hearing.
>> Thank you for joining us. >> Not quite. Almost >> almost 7:10. Not quite. >> 7:09 at the moment. >> See, you made it here. Oh, no. It's 7:11. >> Now it's 7:10. >> Oh, yours. >> The time is 7:10 p.m. >> I guess doesn't know the right time.
>> I'm going to open case number 25, 97915 Park Drive. The petitioner Michael Leuke seeking a variance pursuant to 173 section 173 of the Littleton zoning bylaw intens intensity of use schedule for an addition and reduced front
setback and other such business as may properly come before the meeting. Um I'm going to give a little tiny lecture so that the boys can learn something if that's all right with everybody if you'll indulge me. Okay. This is the
zoning board of appeals. We have the authority by law to hear petitions for variance from the zoning bylaws in the town of Littleton for special permits when an action of the town grants us
special permit granting authority for 40B projects which are the projects like you see down near crossroads where there's a dense development of housing there and they have bypassed the regular zoning bylaws.
And the other uh the other authority that we have is to hear appeals if someone is agrieved by an action of the building enforcement officer in Littleton. Typically what we hear are special permits when they give us that
authority at the town meeting and variances. When I say variance, that's what's here tonight. The people here tonight are supposed to satisfy the requirements of the Littleton zoning bylaw. And that means that they have to
meet certain obligations to set their house back from the lot lines a certain distance, back from the front yard street a certain distance, and from the rear lot line a certain distance. Okay?
If they can't do that because of the size, shape or topography of the lot. You know what topography is? The contours. Okay. If for any reason their lot is unique because of where it
sits or because something about it is different than every other lot, they may be eligible to ask for our board to vary the dimensional setbacks in a certain instance with good reason. But in order
to do that, to find a variance, we have to find a number of things. We have to find first that their lot is unique. They're not like any other lot. there's something special about it. We have to find that owing to the soil shape or topography,
they can't satisfy the dimensional requirements. Okay? And we have to find, believe it or not, that they have a hardship if we don't give them a variance. Okay? So, typically our board is very accommodating. We like to listen to the
people and we like to listen to their neighbors and we like to hear what we can do to help them out. You can go to other towns and they're called the zoning board of no variance because they won't give it no matter what. So it'll be interesting to hear their argument
tonight. They have to present enough facts for us to find don't forget uniqueness of the lot owing to soil shape or topography. They have to find they have this need for this thing. Without it, they'll get a hardship. Okay. And they have to find something
about it is different than any other law. And I don't know who the petitioners are. I can't see you back there. Oh, it's you and your kid. Okay. So, what we do is we have them come forward. They'll state their case. We'll listen calmly and quietly. And then when
they're done, we ask the board to ask them questions. And when they're done, when the board is done, we'll ask any of Butters or any neighbors to ask them questions. Sometimes the neighbors don't know what they're doing because all the posting in the newspaper said was
they're asking for a variance. Okay. So, come forward. Introduce yourself for the record, please. >> Stand. We're informal. >> Just to show you. >> Did you Does everyone have >> Does everyone have a copy of the plot? I have a couple extra. If you have an
extra, I'll take it because I ran here late. I'm sorry. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Um Mike Luke, 15 Park Drive. >> I'm Allison Fortune, 15 Park Drive. >> Um we're seeking a variance from the
board today um due to a hardship where we're looking to do an addition onto the front of the house at 15 Park Drive. Currently we are both working remotely uh within our house um in the dining room. So our goal and our focus here or
our hope is to build an addition onto the front of the house such that we can make it an office space so that we can reclaim the dining room that has been repurposed for two years, three years now >> since co so five years. >> Okay. Um and we've looked at a number of
different opportunities or different directions on where we could put an addition um this evening. Bob is with us as well, our contractor that we solicited and talked with um in terms of where we could put addition or how we could put an addition and we pretty much
came with the only possible alternative would be forward. Um there is no se there's no there's no uh space on any of the other sides and as it stands right now um trying to go up would drastically
change uh the interior of the house as the the f front room of the house has a vated ceiling. >> Right. I do think that's what makes um like our lot unique is that um and I know you saw the lot firsthand and if you you know look on Google maps or
whatever you can see that the as you're facing the house on the right hand side we have neighbors immediately next to us on one side. So >> 11 Park Drive is probably about 5t >> very very close on that >> side only 3 ft from the property. >> Yeah. But the house the other house is
like 2 ft on the other side of the line. >> I know that the two houses are really close. >> Yes. So those So there's obviously no space in that direction. Our septic is on the other side of the house. And then in the back we don't have a ton of space. We almost have enough but not quite. Um with regards to the setbacks
coming from Lincoln then on the on the other back. >> You aren't allowed to be too close to your septic tank. >> Right. Exactly. And the septic tank. The tank is back there. Yes. As it's shown on there. So, um, yeah. So, that's what makes our lot unique. Um, and that that's the only
location that we could build out was in this front area. So, those are the couple of questions that we So, we have our hardship was was that yeah, we're currently using our dining room as a workspace and unable to
share that as a real dining room with with our kids or whatnot and eat at a table. it's like we have to rearrange everything and computers and and all that stuff. So, having another space for work from home setups would be amazing.
Um, and then our lot is unique uh because of where the house is placed immediately next to 11 and then with our septic and in the back there wasn't enough room so the only place to go was was forward. >> And it looks like you have a wetlands too. >> Yes.
>> Aside from the septic system. >> Yep. That'll be the next uh meeting. So if some of the scouts miss this one, they can come to the hopefully >> 100 by 140 ft. >> Do the scouts have a picture of this? Have they seen it? >> Um yeah, >> I think both of them have been there. I gave them I gave them a copy of this,
but I think both of them because you >> I don't go to the court of the court of honor there or no. >> No, you didn't. Okay. >> So let's tell the scouts let's educate the scouts about the dimensional bylaws. John, you want to tell them what they're supposed to have and what is existing
now and what's going to be. So, what is the requirement? >> So, the requirement on the bylaws um the front from the front of your house, including any overhang and the stairs, which got added about 15 years
ago, to the street and not the asphalt, but the town line that where the town owns. So the town owns some of your grass in front of your house, right? Even though you have to maintain it. That requirement is 30 ft. The three
sides are 15 ft. Mind you, if you're on a corner, it's 30 ft on to both streets. So it can be that can be ownorous at times. Um especially since this particular property is down what we call the pond district or you know where
there's it was built subdivided years you know back many many years ago and really set up for summer homes and little cottages and >> now they're all full-time residences. >> So it's uh there are a lot of uh issues down there with dimen meeting the
dimensional requirements. Um obviously um you know your back lot your back and your I guess this is if you're looking at the house the the left hand side is fine. That's the 3 ft off the the property line on that side. A little
tight. Um even the technically the your shed is too close to the property line. That's supposed to be 10 ft off of property line. >> 1.9. >> Yeah. >> Huh. It's I'm looking at it. It's 1.9 it looks like. >> Yeah. I understand that's been there for a while. >> It's grandfathered probably. >> Yeah.
>> But um and there is no requirement on patios. You can run the patio right up to the property line. >> But if it's a deck, it has to be 10 ft off. >> But also, your lot's supposed to be 40,000 square ft. >> And you don't have 40,000. >> And you don't you only have 14,000.
>> So then I'm going to add a couple of things because these are very interesting parts of what we do. Under the zoning bylaw, we are the special permit granting authority to give them a special permit to change, extend, or
alter a property that is already nonconforming. So, what you just heard is this property is already nonconforming. And it's non-conforming in many ways. It's non-conforming because the bylaw
today requires 150 ft of frontage. Can you tell me how many feet of frontage they have on Park Drive? >> The length of their property against Park Drive. What's that say? >> 32. >> No, against Park Drive. The whole length of park, not the house. The whole length
of the property. It's 140. They need 150. Okay. Also, they need to have 40,000 square ft of land area according to today's bylaw. How much do they have? 14,000.
>> So they're deficient in size. >> Also, they need to have the front existing be 30 ft from the right ofway from the street. What are they before the addition? >> 32.1.
>> Good job. And also they need to have each side be 15 ft. So as uh John said they have back is fine, left is fine. What's the right say? >> Three. >> Three. So their lot is a pre-existing
non-conforming lot. By pre-existing we mean that house was created and the lot was built prior to the adoption of the zoning by in Littleton. That means they have what's called pre-existing nonconforming
uh a starting place and the law says that they can change extend or alter that on a special permit from the special permit granting authority which is us. However, if they are going to increase nonconformities,
they also need a variance. They need two things. They need the special permit to do that at all. But now they need a variance to come closer to the front than it was. They're creating a new nonconformity. See it? Because the front is already 30.
It's conforming. But by coming to 22 with the I think it says 22, right? >> Yeah. 20. >> 20.2. With their addition, they're creating a brand new nonconformity that they didn't have before. Follow me? >> Yeah. >> So everything that's existing is
non-conforming. Now they're asking us for a new nonconformity. We have to elevate this to a variance. When I say elevate it, if they weren't going further to the front, we might be able to do this by special permit, but we have to add add it to a
variance, and that means they've got to prove hardship. Now, our board, we're going to ask the the people who are above us first, but when our board deliberates, the board has to decide if they gave us a big enough hardship. Okay? I mean like you could have have
your dinner and your pizza on top of their papers. That might not be a hardship, right? Okay. >> It also can't be detrimental to the neighborhood. >> Thank you. Yes. And that's why we're asking the neighbors next. >> Thank you. >> So, who have we got for our butters
here? Is anybody interested in uh in speaking for or against? And if you're a parent, you can speak forward even if you're not in a butter. Can Yeah, >> I do have one comment from one a butter that reached out to me via text.
>> Oh, very well. Will you read it into the record and tell us who it was? >> Um, hello, Michael. My name is Trisha and I'm your neighbor on 10 Lincoln Drive. My yard is up against your wetland area. So, this would be direct. Well, I mean, you have the >> I think it's lot >> 272 or 273.
>> Yeah, 273. >> I got a notice from the town about your request for an addition and fully support it. it would be helpful for me to attend any hearing and say anything specific, I'd be happy to do so. Um, I thanked her, asked her if it'd be okay to share this. She goes, "You're welcome. I don't mind that you have my permission to share my comments. I'll
try to make the hearing." So, clearly, I don't see her here. Um, but she reached out to me. >> Very helpful. >> In addition, I spoke with the butter and lot 287, the one that's within 3 ft. Um, the DUNS. Um, I don't believe they're here this evening. Uh, but I did have a
discussion with them to explain what we were looking to do to make sure that it was not just simply a letter he got in the mail about what we were proposing to do so that if he did have any concerns or whatnot, he and I could discuss it. Um, and at that point in time, he said,
"I don't have any concerns about it unless you are thinking about putting it directly against my house." Um, >> which you must. >> Right. Right. So, I said, "Okay, that's great. Thank you. If you happen to make it, we that'd be great." But so those are the two comments of the abutters that I have to share.
>> Now the zoning board of appeals is something like a quasi courtroom court of law and we are pretty much subject to the same rules. We hear both sides. We deliberate and everything. What you just gave was a very selfserving statement.
We have no proof that the abutter really said that to you. >> So I just want your boys to be cognizant of the distinction. I believe you and I'm sure your neighbor has no problem. But I want them to know that that typically is not evidentiary because
>> that's that's hearsay, right? Like yeah, this is good, but the other one is >> but the fact that they're not here also reassures us that they don't necessarily have serious concerns. >> Perfect. >> Right. because I'm not sure they realized that they sent out postcards or
letters to all the abutters that said, "Hey, your neighbor at 15 Park Drive is looking to put on this edition. If you have comments or questions, come to this meeting on this date and time." So, none of those people apparently came. So, that's good. >> We do get people that show up when
they're concerned about, say, their view being obstructed from of the lake. if a person put builds up and suddenly blocks their view or if they're worried about water water shed being >> plasma >> being redirected. So sometimes the
neighbors do show up and do have questions or issues. >> Usually they're here supporting >> and board. Anybody have any questions? >> Make motion to close the
>> No, I have questions. Uh the house to the right extends in front of yours. How much does it extend in front of your house? >> The house itself they have >> the house they have a stair a small porch and a stairs now. Yeah. The one
that's on the 3 ft side you're talking about. >> Yeah. >> That one is close that is close to the where we're proposing. I would say if maybe >> it goes out >> oh >> 10 ft or you know it's >> from the current. Yeah, like because I
was I was showing her like that our proposed 12 feet out from the front of our house is just a little further than the >> I would I would estimate around six or seven feet that his porch comes out from the front of his house. >> So they're in the order of 24 ft from
the street, not 30. And then the how bigger house further to the right almost looks like it's forward too. It might have >> houses on the street that are significantly closer. You don't have any idea how what the setback there is. >> I don't >> we haven't measured it. >> And I know landing on the opposite side,
his is probably within 15. >> Yeah. >> And as you get up towards Goldsmith, there's a couple houses that look like they're about 5t off the road. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz if you if you're consistent with the addition consistent pretty much with the setback of the other houses, that's a that's a good thing.
>> Yeah. I don't think they quite make that criteria. I looked at that going up and down the road, but it's close. >> Yeah. So, what they're talking about is the zoning bylaw says you have to be 30 ft from the street except that if the house is contiguous on each side, you
know what contiguous means? That means abuing exactly doesn't mean two houses down exactly beside adjacent to each side of you. If they're less than 30, you can be at the average of their two. So the board members are saying, "Gee,
they looked the others looked like they were within the 20 ft that they want anyway." So maybe they don't even need to be here or shouldn't have had to come, but it was close. So the building inspector said they don't meet that criteria. They do need to come here, but they're satisfied that it won't be a
terrible deriggation from the neighborhood or the zoning bylaw because the houses either side of them are close to 20 and certainly less than 30. Okay. >> Are you satisfied? >> Yep. >> Then I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
>> Oh, I'll second it. >> Thank you. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I >> hearing is closed. >> Now we deliberate. >> Now you're not allowed to give any more information. The board just talks about it. >> There are other houses that are so close
to the road and this does not look detrimental. The house is very small. Um, it makes sense to me. >> What do you find for hardship? >> I'd like to just speak for a second about hardship being a remote worker
myself >> and working from home. Um, >> you know, it can be a double-edged sword. We didn't I didn't ask specifically. I don't really think it's mine or the board's business on what their work is, but a speaking from my
own experience, working remotely also means all can tend to be all hours. Um, it's can be a double-edged sword. So, it can be significant encroachment into personal life. And then you're talking about your job and your livelihood. work
can be stressful enough when you add on, you know, competing with family and dinner time and all the rest. I mean, it could potentially impact work, which of course impacts potentially impacts livelihood. So, I think it is a recognition of sort of modern workforce,
a real I I >> I fully recognize it as a hardship. >> They bought this house significantly before COVID. They've owned it since I I looked it up. was to you can't tell me but they've owned it for a number of
years and um obviously co has changed the world and they now work from home whereas when they bought the house they didn't so it's not like they put themselves in that hardship >> and also I mean from a dimensional you
know the two sides in the back all have things in the way either too close or septic or septic tank. You can't build there, >> right? >> So, >> it's not like they could turn their porch into their room. They can't because >> they could, but even then they're
they're then they're going to be probably too close on both the side and the back, >> right? Septic system, septic tank too is a problem. >> But, so it seems to me that, you know, this quote only spot breaks where it fits.
>> Who wants to make a motion? I move. >> You want a motion? Motion. >> I move that we grant the variance in case 25979 15 Park Drive. >> Yep. With as
>> allow >> for an addition and reduce front set back at >> 20 ft. Not to >> not to be less than 20 feet. >> Get some two tents.
>> What are they asking for? >> 20 20.2.2. >> Oh, >> just make it 20. Round it. >> I would give them I would give them another six inches or so for mistakes. Not to be not to be less than 19 ft. >> What if we don't put a a number on it?
just say substantially as shown in the reference plan and we and we reference the plan. >> Well stated >> yeah if that extra foot was critical then we want to spec specify it. >> Um
okay I'm just going to reference the plan then and can I get a second to that motion? >> I second it >> and that was Dave and that was John. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Your variance is granted.
>> So now you have to go to conservation. >> That's next. >> Oh, because you you're inside the 100 foot buffer. >> Yeah. We're outside the 50 but inside the 100. >> Yeah. It's really that wet over there. >> Not this summer for sure. >> Yeah, I know. It's >> But where you see the the markers for
the delineation that they wrote, >> delineation, >> there's a stream that runs from Lincoln behind us all the way down there. It feeds into the pond to Long Lake. >> On the wet seasons, there's a good there's a good stream in there. Definitely.
>> We're far nicer than conservation. >> Tracy's done. >> So, I hear um you have a there is a 20-day appeal period on variances. >> It's 20 days from the date that the decision is filed. It's a simple enough decision. It should be a couple of days
and it'll be filed. >> Right. >> So, if you start construction before that 20-day expire expires. You're doing so at your own building. >> We have other conservation and board of health and stuff. So, we still have a couple more. >> Buildings inspector just doesn't give them permit yet.
>> Special permit. He will, but not a variance. >> Good luck. >> On a special permit, he >> Oh, not on a variance. Yeah. >> Thank you very much for coming. Thank you for allowing us a teaching >> a teaching uh moment. >> Thank you.
>> It was fun. The first EBA meeting I've ever been to. Was it the best one? >> Did you learn anything? >> If you're local, we need members. Are you local? >> No. Bethlehem, New Hampshire. >> Oh, you're you're the builder. >> Yeah. But no, thanks for taking it
reminded me of 39 years ago when we went for our variance, similar circumstances. our property was right on the line and we were in a flood zone and um
>> it was an experience and I truly enjoyed hearing your explanations for the boys. >> Yeah, I'm so glad that they were here cuz I I learned a lot. Thank you. >> No, I'm going to give them >> boys. Yeah, I know.
said, "Are we done with the meeting?" >> I move to close. I just >> Oh, okay. Second, too. >> Okay. >> Fun and John move to close. Second. >> All those in favor? >> I I Yes.