I All right, start writing. >> Are you doing it? >> Yes. >> Start writing. >> All right. Is there a magic Is there a magic word to make it quiet or how? No. All right. Well, it's great to see everybody here. Thank you for joining
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order and Livingston code 2-15.3. Roll call, please. >> Council member Anthony, >> here. >> Baptani, >> here. >> Vieira, >> present. >> Deputy Mayor Klein, >> here. >> Mayor Reinhardt, >> I am here. We're going to rise in a moment uh for the pledge and also for a moment of silence. As we rise this
evening, uh we take in our memory uh our town manager, Barry Lewis's mother, who passed away. So Barry, we wish on the whole town and the whole residents, we pass on our condolences to you and your family um for your mom. I know how close you are and I know it's been a struggle in a long time, but uh we are here and
we send all our condolences to your family. All right. Thank you. To the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisible and justice for
All right. So, welcome everybody to our regular meeting of December 8th, 2025. Um, I know we have a lot of people in attendance. Um, I'm not sure if anyone's here. Sean Sean wanted me to say for one of the resolutions, but I'm going to forget Deputy Mayor Klein's show because
I wasn't wasn't all that great, but it's all good. I think you're all here for one reason. So, I'm going to ask Jeff Grants to come up and lead the show. Jeff, we not only did we uh make sure that you're going to be the MC, but you also get to call out all the names as well. So, this way none of the names
will be mis uh pronounced by any of us up here as well. All right, you can come up here, face out there. There's a microphone right there. Um and which so you let me know which team you're going to start with and uh we're going to come down and we'll we'll pass out the certificates. How's that? And you call the names.
>> Okay. Well, thank you, mayor, and members of the town council for having us here tonight. My name is Jeff CR, and it's great to see all of you again. On behalf of the Livingston Knights Baseball Club, our town's travel baseball club, I want to express our sincere appreciation for your support
and partnership, especially this season. It means a great deal to our organization, and it's truly an honor for our boys to be recognized here this evening. Thank you again for celebrating their hard work and accomplishments. This year was full of growth, pride, challenges, joy, and memories that will
stay with our kids for a lifetime. We have about 100 kids in the program from second grade through 7th grade. This year, we fielded fielded 10 nights teams and played over 200 games spanning spanning spring, summer, and fall throughout the state of New Jersey with
some teams playing games as far away as Maryland. Out of all that hard work came two championships for two of our teams that you will meet here tonight. But our year was about so much more than the wins and losses. It was filled with moments that our players and our families we will
never forget. We proudly marched in Livingston's Memorial Day parade representing this town with the kind of spirit that defines the Knights. We filmed a scene against the New York Gothams for Happy Gilmore 2 in Closter, New Jersey. We took a parade lap around the field at Yankee Stadium. We had
pregame introductions and a suite at the Somerset Patriots game. Our 12U team made their second trip to Ripken in Aberdine, Maryland. Our 11U team got to walk through baseball history in Coopertown. And as proud as we are of our baseball accomplishments, we might even be more
proud of what our kids did to give back. They visited the Livingston food pantry to stock shelves and help families in need. Every October, we come together for our pink fundraiser. This year, we raised $3,600 for Cure Breast Cancer Foundation. Our oldest knights volunteered their time on
the field to work with some of our youngest knights. countless times this season. This past Friday, we held our first ever Knights year-end banquet with close to 250 Knights, players, coaches, and families. And along with that, we held a food
drive where we're able to donate over 250 pounds of canned and non-p perishable food items to the Livingston food pantry. Now, None of this is possible without the support of the town of Livingston, Mayor Minhard and the town council, the Livingston Police Department, Patelo,
president of our Little League, the Little League, all of our amazing Knights parents and grandparents who support these boys in every way, our coaches, and our Knights board of trustees consisting of Matt Beanie, Jeff CR, Brad Rice, Saul Farber, Ryan Walsh, Amy Mahoney, and Lacy Woods. Now, our
first championship team, I present to you our 8U fall South USA champion, Livingston Green Knights, led by head coach Robert Weissberg. The AU Green Knights are all Livingston second grade boys. They finished their
fall season with a record of 55 and one, earning them the seventh seed in the playoffs. The AU Green Knights knocked off the top three seeds on their way to a championship victory over the AU Verona Barntormers in Verona. At no point during this magical underdog run in the playoffs were they trailing in
any game, defeating Caldwell 9 to8, Mountainside 6 to1, and Verona 12-6. Okay, boys. We're going to call you all up one by one. >> Hold on. You're gonna you're gonna call Let's Before we go down, we're going to give we have certificates. So, why don't you call them up and then we'll give we'll hand out certificates to everybody. How's that?
>> Our AU Livingston Green Knights are led by head coach Rob Weissberg. >> Assistant coaches Steve Laughman, Dan Bank, and Rob Finland. So, we have a before you call before you call that off before you call the team up, we have a uh we have a certificate
to share with all of you guys to take that one home as well. We'll take pictures with the team. >> Now, our our AU champions. First, Charlie Bank. Big hitter
push. Congratulations, >> Dylan Fineland. Dylan Jacobs, >> Ethan Lee, Lev Glazer, >> Luke Slater, Mason Laughman. >> Our ace on the mound, Max Weissberg.
OUR silver slugger, Reed Elkins. >> Spencer Arenss. And because one fine land isn't enough, Zachary Fineland, >> you guys want take a picture behind one big picture. >> All right.
>> Where you guys want? Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Knights, where you go? Thank you guys. Appreciate it. >> That was the >> You're doing good time. >> You had you had a pro.
>> Oh, I did. I did a 30inut community. Wow. >> No, we didn't need any. >> Now, I'm pleased to introduce to you the first ever Knights team to win a league championship. No one will ever do that again.
The 10U Spring National Metro USA champion, Livingston White Knights. The Tenu Living The Tenu Livingston White Knights have been led for three, four, six, seven years by Mike Juven.
This team was made up of a group of third and fourth graders who are now fourth and fifth graders. I hope all of you are. and finished their spring season 91 and one, earning the number one overall seed in the playoffs.
>> In the playoffs, they defeated Milbour 17-2. >> Oh, this is your home now. And not to outdo themselves in the semifinals, they beat a very good New Jersey Ballistics club team 11 to1
>> before facing a tough handover team in the finals and aven and avenging their one loss of the season, defeating handover six to3 in the championship game. Now the team head coach Michael Chuven >> assistant coaches Dale Song. Raymond Lie
>> Calandosi. Congratulations. and out of retirement for one night, Brett Baris. >> And now our championship players, Brody Alieri Evan Baris, >> Matthew Chuven,
>> Christian Lee, Connor Park, >> Derek Lie, >> Hoten Shen, Jacob Kim, >> Jake Rosenluth, >> Jake Rosenluth is not here. Jayon Doshi Johnny Miami Stein,
Chris Meta, >> Michael Pac, River Song, >> Ryder Logan, and last but certainly not least, everybody's Instagram superstar this month, month.
>> Teddy taste it all. Wit treeall. All right. Congratulations. I'll take the one kid that's not here. >> Oh, yeah. I think we're short one. >> We can be short one. Short one. They say people's names on them or no.
>> Then there's two. There's two from my team. This one. All right, our last and final team so the town can get back to business. >> Our last and final team of the evening we refer to as the original Knights. This was our first ever Knights team
which formed when these boys were six, seven years old during the >> during the peak of COVID. Just don't tell anybody up here. Since the spring of 2023, our 10U spring, the very first season, we put on these green button-up Knights uniforms
that every Knights team proudly wears today, this group put together a record of 69,42 and five. That's 116 games over three spring seasons and three fall seasons. They won three tournament championships, including back-to-back USABL Memorial Day weekend titles. They
made three league finals, posted one undefeated USABL regular season, and never lost a regular season NJSBL game. They went to the Ripken Experience in Aberdine, Maryland twice, played against some of the the best teams in the region, and came out with a solid 500
record, which is basically like winning the World Series if you're a town team. And then there's a stat that tells you everything you need to know about this group. 18- seven in one-run games. That means these boys didn't fold, didn't quit, and didn't panic. These are the original Knights, the boys who started
it all. They built this legacy 10 team strong now from 7U to 12U with over 100 Knights players. They made Livingston a baseball town again. Their work ethic, heart, grit, created some and grit created something that will hopefully last for a long time to come. They built something that will outlast them. They
built a program, a standard, and a legacy in Livingston that kids five, six, and seven years old now are dreaming of joining. They may be graduating from this club, but the impact they will have ma they have made isn't going anywhere. They are the first nights, the founding class, the standard for every team that comes next. And I
and I know I speak for all of their parents, grandparents, and coaches when I say that we couldn't be prouder. I'll bring up our coaches first. First, our original head coach is not here, Matt Beanie. From 8U through 11U, our co-head coach,
baseball, Mike Watt. Without his energy, we may not be here right now. Come on. and he was co-head coach with me. >> When these boys turned 12, they met a man that changed their baseball lives. He taught them accountability,
compassion, and how to win and lose as a team. Heritage's head coach, the Livingston 12U Williamsport coach for the last 15 years, and our Knights 12U head coach, Ed Murray. a sharp dresser.
>> Assistant coaches Joe Wendelowski, Tim Woodall, and Jason Granite, who's not here. Now the players. >> Axel Savage. >> Firm shakes. Firm. >> Firm. Firm.
>> Look. Look him in the eye. not here tonight, but a big presence for us last year helping to save our season. Alex Lee, Brandon Mahoney, Caleb Quirros, Dax Wendelowski, Dylan Spectre
speed >> Harrison H. WATT >> off the injured list. Hudson Huddy Weisenberg, >> Kayen Sha, Leo CRO >> and other Leo Leo Woods All >> is Matthew here. Where's Matthew?
Matthew Granite. Matthew Gutman. Ryan Murman. And last, but certainly not least, Spencer Freriedman. over the front. That's great.
Thank you very much. Got two cats on the way out. >> Take care. Good to see you, >> Jeff. Jeff, stay here for one second. So, just stay here for one second. So, I do before before you guys before all the guys, all the boys and girls, everybody leaves for just want to just say a
couple things. First of all, I want to thank Jeff um for bringing uh all of you guys to our attention. It's been wonderful getting to know Jeff and all of the players here. So, I actually think everyone should offer Jeff a big round of applause for everything that he DOES to uh
to uh to Pat to Patel to Patelo and all Livingston, all the baseball in Livingston that gets done. Big round of app give round for Pat for everything he does for first aid and for little league as well. The The one thing the one thing I just wanted to say I found really striking
and and listening to what Jeff had to say is not only did you boys learn um camarad friendship, how to play with others on the field, how to win and lose gracefully, but you also learned about the two words that we talk a lot about up here and those two words are giving
back and what Jeff talked about about giving back between what you did for all the food drives and what you raised the money for for was it can for for can for breast cancer and everything else that you've done and you will do throughout your careers both on the fields and in the school system. I just want everybody
to remember that, you know, how important that is in real life about those two words, giving back. So, as much as we all love W's and we all love championships, please remember Jeff and all your coaches and all your parents have taught you is about giving back to those who are less fortunate. So, I just wanted to say thank you guys for doing
all that. Thanks, Jeff. All right. So, we have another group of another presentation. So when boys you get a little bit older uh and you get to 17 and 18 or 16 and 17 years old, 16 and older, you can participate in on
election day and on primary day manning uh manning the polling stations here in Livingston. It pays money. I believe pays how much? >> $300. You get an excused day off and you get two meals. I believe you get lunch and dinner included. So, so we're also
we're gonna be all right. So, so we are going to be honoring So, we're gonna be honoring the group that's here. We're going to be honoring the group that's here um that are here for who have manned the polls. Uh Caroline, do you have the names or where are the uh
>> we don't know it was like I'm not sure who is attending. >> Okay. So, if everybody could come up maybe so so why don't everybody come up to the front and we have some we have some uh some gifts as well for them as Also, why don't we all come down? >> Oh, on the other side. All right. We're gonna
>> It's on. All right. So, we're gonna What we're going to do, actually, what we're gonna What I'm going to ask what I'm gonna ask everybody to Sh just give it Is it on? I think it's on, right? No, not on, Jason. Not on. Is that better?
>> All right. So, what we're going to do, what we're going to do is if you just give everybody their attention like they gave attention when you guys came up here. I'm gonna ask everybody um to just give their names and Hi, how are you? Good. Nice to see you. We're going to give everyone their names and um what your what year you are uh in the high
school. Okay. So, we'll start and then we have gifts at the end. So, go ahead. >> Um my name is Shona. I'm a junior in Livingston High School. My name is Ava and I'm a sophomore. >> My name is Destiny and I'm a sophomore. My name is Mahi and I'm a sophomore.
>> My name is Aditi and I'm a junior. >> My name is Fatima Malik and I'm a senior. >> My name is Edgar and I'm a senior. >> My name is Nisha Bagstra and I'm a sophomore. >> My name is Arav and I'm a senior.
My name is Jacob and I'm a sophomore at LHS. >> My name is Jack and I'm a junior. >> Next, by the way, Jack, next year you can give it to him. But just just a round of applause. So, what they did is they worked they wor Thank you. So, they
worked they worked the polls during primary and election day. Uh, as I said, you got paid, you got some free meals, and you actually got to see, you know, what the best part about this country is and living in a free country that we live in, being able to vote, to be able to vote for the party that you want to
and the candidate that you want to without having to worry about leaving the polling station and something bad happened to you. So, I think you all got a chance to see the Democratic uh position in town and the Democratic uh notion in town. Everybody gets a chance to vote freely. So congratulations and
thank you guys all for participating and we think we have some uh some Yeah. See how you want to get the we'll give them out to everybody. >> Yeah. Give some out here. Why don't you guys give them out?
>> All right. And then we'll take a picture at the end. >> Are we starting to give up now? >> Yeah. Of course. >> Actually, that may be Yes, I've seen you a lot. One more >> one more person one more person that owe that we owe a really big thank you to I
apologize I did not do it our township clerk Carolyn Mazuko who organized this whole everything Carolyn Carolyn worked this this idea Caroline brought this idea up to us about a year and a half, two years ago now was it about two years ago in conjunction with the board of education.
We put this program together. Caroline who also runs the elections as well. She's in char one of the things that the town clerk does is run all the elections both primary and general elections. She starts at 5 in the morning and leaves at 10:00 at night that day. Uh along with Anne Coochie who helps her our CFO and
other as well. So Ann and both to Ann and to Carolyn, thank you very much for putting this together >> and also fantastic department. >> So why don't we go buff? We'll take a picture up there. >> And Liz and Renee and Lauren Costello. Didn't want to leave them out. All
right. You guys All right. Thank you. All right, we're gonna we're going to take a twominut a two-minute recess. So, if you got anybody who wants to leave, I would certainly uh you know, if you want to leave, please leave. And uh you know,
you all you're welcome to stay, but we'll take a two-minute recess and make sure we can get going. Thank you guys. We're going to get back to Is this all right? All right, we are back. We are back in session to the business part of it. Uh,
next thing on it is on the 2026 Essex County Community Development Block Grant application public hearing. Russ. >> Yes. Uh, every year we uh hold a local public hearing for the community development block grant program. We're one of the 18 municipalities that
participates in the Essex County program. The other four towns in Essex County have large enough populations where they can apply directly to HUD. Um, so we're actually making an application to Essex County for a
portion of their uh funding and they then submit the applications to HUD. Um it's a program primarily to benefit low and moderate income people residents. So we're not eligible for a lot of the uh
projects and things like that because of the census tracks we have don't have the demographics or the uh percentages. However, we are eligible to submit for ADA improvement type projects. So, if you've seen our transportation buses, um
some of those have been purchased through the county funds. Um a recent addition was the uh um the sensory trailer for young people with or adults with special needs that maybe need a place to where
the sounds and things like that bother them, they can go and sort of decompress for a little bit. So, you'll see it around our events. It's very colorful. And last year we were able to get a van to help pull it. So this is the public hearing to take input from the public on
what they think the uh needs might be for our community development application this year. Thanks Ross. Can I have a motion to open up the public hearing? >> Motion to open up the public hearing. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. The meeting is now open to comments on the Essex County Community
Development Block Grant. Am I able >> sign in name and address there please? That's for the county. >> Sure. Um just a quick question. This does not include the three minutes for open forum. This is just >> this is a public hearing on community development application.
>> Good evening. Um as most of you have already known me, my name is Daniel Lesus. During projects like this, I come to you not as a citizen, but as a representative of Livingstone. It's a brand that I'm working on for transparency.
So, I was wondering if the town council would like to provide me with a source of where I can get additional information regarding this project as well as the budgeting, the allocation of the budgeting, the percentage of the taxes
that are allocated in the cost benefit analysis program that should have been run in the background. At which point then I can review the actual decision that was made by the council and make it a legitimate comment on it. Is there a way for me to access this information
readily and without an issue? >> You talking about for the block grant or what? Okay. I think it's I think it's just >> this is uh there is no application for 2026 yet. This is to take input on suggestions for an application. >> It it would be really helpful if you can
give a little bit of just basic background to exactly what it is on the record. I don't believe I've missed the meeting the last four or five meetings. I wasn't able to attend the close session today, but I take it very seriously. It looks like uh Councilman
Jones, you're a little bit confused. If there's anyone on the board that could just give me a 20 second roundup of exactly what the proposal is, and I would like >> There is no proposal. This is the first discussion of the community development application for this year's application.
>> Great. How much is it for? depends on we uh Essex County receives a block grant from the federal government. The overall amount has been reduced over recent years. They then allocate it based on the number of applications they receive. Historically, it can range
anywhere from 30 to $25,000. Okay. Uh again, it's for either low moderate based on census block or surveys. Generally, we don't qualify any census block in Livingston. Mhm. >> Um so the only typical eligible activities we have are for ADA improvements. Um so the purpose of this
hearing though is to solicit input from the public as to what they might think would be an appropriate project to apply for. >> Right. So um >> Mr. Ree, you have one minute left. >> No problem. I totally understand. Um when is the time cut off for the response? Because I believe that this is
an excellent program. There's a great example is the Ritz. Uh, the Ritz is an amazing private business, but if you're handicapped, you literally can't use the bathroom. I'm not handicapped. I can't even use the bathroom. Uh, the door is barely even open. It's been grandfathered in. There are hundreds of
other projects like this that this can be applied to. And I believe that this is a good program for the town. I would appreciate a little bit more transparency both in the beginning of the project and the end, but in general, communication and transparency is
lacking. This is a good example of it. I >> projects that uh we've submitted in the past and which are eligible are ones that involve public property. >> No, it's not for private property. >> I understand. And um what you must understand is the grandfathering of a
zoning law that prevents handicapped people from using a bathroom while at the same time not being able to help a small business owner that may or may not be struggling is for the benefit of the public. It's a resolution. >> Great. Thank you. I think your three minutes are up, but thank you very much. >> No problem. I understand. com. Any other
comments on um the CDBG? Seeing none, >> I'd like to make a motion to close the public. >> Second. >> All those in favor of closing. I >> Okay. Uh can I have a motion to approve the minutes pending corrections of the November 24th, 2025 regular conference? So move
>> as well as hold on as well as the November 24th, 2025 uh uh close session. >> Now so moved. >> I'll second it. >> All those in favor? >> I >> Thank you. Can I have a motion to open up public comment on agenda items only? >> Motion. Second.
>> Okay. All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. The meeting is now open for comments on on agenda items only. >> I'll make a motion to close. >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor of closing. >> I. >> All right. There are no final hearings. The cons uh final or introductions,
consent agenda, and resolutions. All matters listed with Astrik are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the council will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the governing body so request in which case the item will be removed from the consent agend consent agenda and consider in its normal
sequence on the agenda as part of the general orders. That's a housekeeping uh for housekeeping. We will not be we will not be reading and voting on uh resolution 25-337. Anybody else like to pull out any other ones?
>> Mayor, what is resolution? >> It's it's in the agenda. Anybody else want to pull out? Anybody else want to pull out anything? >> It's up to you. Anybody want to pull it out? >> Yep. >> 236. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Let's do that. >> Okay. So, you want to pull out We'll
pull out 25336. Okay. So, can I have a motion then to approve all the resolutions except for 25336 and 25 um 337? >> Motion. >> No, she didn't. They weren't read yet.
>> Oh, you mean to pull them out? Yes, second. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can we have can we make a motion now to uh for you want to read them now? >> Okay. Thank you, mayor. Resolution 25-330, updated special event fees. Resolution 25-331, authorizing the award of a contract to Bicardo Electric LLC.
Resolution 25-332, authorizing approval of change order number one with Suburban Consulting Engineers, Inc. for Little League Fields. Resolution 25-333, Township Council rejecting bids. Resolution 25-334, authorizing approval of change order
number one with Suburban Consulting Engineers, Inc. for Tevlyn Fields. Resolution 25-335 authorizing the execution of the developers agreement with Roadak MF1 LLC relative to 457 through 461 South
Livingston Avenue. Resolution 25-338 authorizing execution of a settlement agreement. Resolution 25-339 authorizing the award of a contract to Comcast Business Communications LLC. Resolution 25-340
designating Atlas 6 Peach Tree Urban Renewal LLC as the conditional redeveloper and authorizing the execution of an escrow agreement to Peach Tree Hill Road and resolution 25-341
2025 budget appropriation transfers. >> I'll make a motion to approve the resolutions remaining on the consent agenda. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Council member Anthony. >> Yes. Batani. >> Yes. >> Vieira. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Klein. >> Yes. >> Mayor Minhardt. >> Yes.
>> Can will you please read resolution 25-336? >> Resolution 25-336 opposing bill S and SAM 4736. >> Okay. Comments. We want to comment. Maybe let's have a background of that.
>> So um this is the Senate bill that was discussed. Um, this is a bill that's currently pending in our legislature that was discussed last time, which would allow uh any house of worship or not or property owned by nonforprofit to totally skirt uh municipal zoning laws
and allow them to build uh at a density of 40 units per acre and not be limited by the zoning laws um within the municipality. In addition, it provides for um pilot agreements for these. Um this council is uh opposed to this. Um
it takes away our ability to um control our own zoning. Um it's part of an affordable housing uh push by the state uh to get 20% of those units would have to be uh for affordable housing. So it was important for this uh council to
pass this resolution uh which will be sent to our uh state senate and state assembly people. Um I don't know if anybody has anything they want to add to that. Um >> thank you. comments by the council. No, >> I think I I agree. I think this is uh
this is a good move and thanks for describing it, Jared. Uh it is something that the council is not okay with and we uh ask our representatives in Trenton to
uh look into it and uh help out solidify this so that it protects the town's interest. Thank you, >> Mayor. I I would just say um you know everyone up here understands the importance of affordable housing. Um the problem becomes when the control locally
is taken away from uh the governing body and from the citizens who live here. Um and this is another effort to do that. Uh we think uh we've been cited uh as doing a very good job in the third and fourth rounds by the uh the bodies that are in charge of the affordable housing
um decisions and uh we appreciate them recognizing our efforts, but something like this could really hurt the town down the road. So, we're going to oppose it. >> Thank you, Councilman Beer or Councilman Anthony. I'll just I'll just >> I think we all know we're voting, but just just I want to just follow up on
what Councilman Batani said is that we are sending this back uh to our assembly uh people in Trenton and also our state senator, the same folks who actually delivered to us A3 and A4 and it's because of the votes that were made down in Trenton uh that A3 and A4 uh and
because of what we have to do for the third and fourth round. So, we are taking this and sending it back to them. Um, so if any other no other comments, I'll ask for a motion then to move. >> I'll move it. >> Second. >> Okay. >> Roll call. >> Council member Anthony. Yes. >> Pani.
>> Yes. >> Vieiera. >> Yes. >> Debbie Mary Klein. >> Yes. >> Mayor Minehardt. >> Absolutely. Yes. Uh, can I have a motion then to open the uh meeting for public portion? >> I'll make a motion to open the meeting for public portion. >> Second it. All those in favor? >> I. >> All right. The motion. Thank you. The meeting is now open for public portion
with a threeminut time limit. >> Good. Good. Good evening. Once again, I really want to state that I'm not here to give anyone a hard time. I think that based on the general tone and etiquette of the way this council operates, you
literally mumble, talk so fast, and assume that no one gives a hoot about what you have to say. First and foremost, no, mayor, there is no mention of 25 whatever it is on the agenda, which means that you're referencing on the record things that you are not
disclosing to the public. It's okay. You'll fix it for the next >> I have a cop I have a copy of the agenda right here where it says 25- 337 is on the agenda. >> I think you might have the conference agenda. Does it say conference or >> uh it says Livingston Township agenda? The word agenda
>> and the fact that there is confusion in here and you do an amazing job. I also want to say that I've worked personally with Councilman Mazuko and uh she does a great job, but I'm not going to waste any time. I was sitting at the Short Hills Mall and I spent about one hour taking photographs of the Township of
Livingston trucks that are completely empty, running up and down picking up cones and dropping them off last week. When you talk about um awarding contracts, who are these people? Where is the
actual bid process that happens? I am a commercial real estate developer. I want to see where the money is being spent. I want to see how the budget's being allocated. The time for mumbling and pushing your way through various items that are in your best interest is over. Please understand that you could either
look at me as a difficult, problematic thorn in your side or an necessary evil in a town that has become so complacent in the hundreds of millions of dollars that you both allocate and raise that I don't believe that this town actually
cares about what the citizens have to say. You limit me to three minutes. The second the three minutes are up, there's no response. It just sit down. You're done. Even the way you conduct the meetings. In the last meeting, mayor, you cried, made very inappropriate
comments that are, as a Jewish man, embarrassing to me because my goal is to raise my children in a world where we don't isolate and mention religion as the forefront of a conflict. That is hatemongering that will not stand. And
transparency is an immediate demand before you push any more agenda forward. Every single penny that's spent by this town needs to be allocated in a proper and logical fashion. What I've seen from this town is a boy club. A boy club of humans that are used to bullying their
way through utilization of the law, their connection with the lawyers, and making sure that their best interests are at heart. When I see you guys slow down and actually explain what your actions are, I promise you I'll fall back as well. I look forward to the next
time I touch the mic. Any other comments? >> Hi Jamie uh for Aruba Court. I'm just representing uh Daniel Reese's today. I'm not here to do anything negative, meaning the Livingtown proposal that he
uh sent to you guys last week or two weeks ago. and no one has responded to us. No one has responded to him about um having a sit down discussion about it or going forward about it. And the full entire proposal is about transparency and exactly what you guys are talking
about here. You're going over this conference meeting talking about things that people have no idea what you are passing, what you're not passing. You're just saying numbers and then you're saying approval. They're not giving the actual people of Livingston a township
to take part and show their voice. I mean, we've met people just in the last couple of weeks after we started speaking up who have issues with town council who can't get their voice across, who can't speak, and have no voice for themselves.
All that Mr. was doing was proposing to you a very great solution to some of these issues by getting towns people involved on a level that is both fair and transparent and by you ignoring us in the past that's one thing but by you ignoring a
proper solution to something that can benefit the town just shows that you're just prejudice to us period doing anything for you guys whatsoever. >> Thank you. Anybody else comments? Public for public comments.
>> Good evening. Joyce Armando, 7 Greenwood Court. >> Standing in support. >> No, you don't need to stand for me. Thank you. Are you tired of seeing me here? This is my third time here um for the same
issue. I'm tired of being here. So, I'm here again to discuss the Express Auto Spa car wash, the violations um that they are operating directly behind my house. Two weeks ago, I stood in front of this town council
and I was told that the vacuum stations were going to be shut down if they could not meet their 38 uh decel resolution that they submitted. I then received a written email um by Barry Lewis
confirming that the car wash has been notified that they must comply with the 38 dB or the vacuum stations would need to be shut down until they were brought into compliance. As of today, these vacuum stations are still operating. And
I'd like to know why. Why? Why aren't they shut down? This is infuriating to me. There is absolutely no excuse. In addition, per an Oprah request that I discovered that the final site plan,
page six, approved 15 vacuum stations, yet they built 17. Do you guys know that they built 17, but you guys approved 15? 15. So, how did that happen? It also states in the resolution that
the vacuum stations would only be utilized by car wash customers. However, that's not the case because anybody could drive in and use the vacuum stations at their leisure. That's just that's another violation. This car wash
is continually operating under multiple violations and it seems like nobody has a care for me or my neighbors. This is my third time here. You guys all stood here and told me that you were going to shut them down. I got an email yet
nothing has happened. And when I call the town, when I text the town, when I send you guys videos and I let you guys hear the sounds, everybody fingerpoints. Well, we don't have the authority to shut shut them down. There's nobody here
to shut them down. Why not? Why not? Does nobody have an answer? That's okay because I would love an answer. I was going to wait till you're done. >> I'm done. >> Um, so I I did receive your email late
today. Um, obviously we'll be looking into two new issues that you brought to my attention. The 17 vacuums versus 15. I was not aware of that until you brought it to my attention. Um, and similarly the um, you indicated that I guess you've observed people who didn't
use the car wash using the vacuums. That was a subject of discussion at the planning board. that was very clearly spelled out. Not you may not it may not be in the resolution but it's definitely in the transcript that they testified to that. So um we will obviously be looking to explore that as well. Um we did meet
with had had several meetings with the operator. Um it's a little in difficult. There was testimony that they would be 38 dB. Uh they made reference to a manufacturer's data sheet or sound readings. Um but they would that they would comply with the state uh sound
code. Now, the state sound code is 65 dB at the property line, which there's no question they're below that, but that was um you know, we were relying on their testimony. What we did discover was the testimony uh was based on a sheet that said it should be enclosed. So, they are now and have submitted a
building permit and will be enclosing the turbine, the vacuum unit that makes the noise. Um in the interim, it was my understanding and they asked and they um had an electrician out there who apparently adjusted it. Uh it was supposed to be quieter. I am told that is quieter. I did request that the S6
regional go out and and measure it again. I don't know if they were able to get out there. >> They're not in compliance. >> They're not in compliance with the 38 dB. So, per your email and per me standing here, why aren't they shut down? >> Well, so what I'm saying is they
indicated that they lowered it. I don't know whether it's 38 dB or not because >> but it wasn't because your people went out there the week of Thanksgiving and it was higher. So, >> and that's when I think it was the Tuesday after Thanksgiving, I believe,
is when the technician was there to lower it, whatever. I'm not an electrician, so I don't know what they did, but it was represented to us that they lowered something, the pressure or something in the turbine unit that would lower the the noise volume. Uh whether it's lowered it to 38 dB or not, that's
what I requested the Essex Regional Sound people to go measure, and I haven't got that result. >> Okay. Well, I spoke to the representative from Essex County and he told me it will be impossible for them to reach 38 dB. And when they came out, when you had them come out to my house
to measure, they stood on my deck basically outside my kitchen door. Okay. So, while they said it was under the New Jersey state requirement, it's not because it has to be measured at my property line, which was 66. So, it's
above. So this has to be done properly, not standing at my kitchen door. I will be happy in the closed door meeting to play you what I hear in my kitchen. But this is unacceptable. You all stood and agreed that this would be shut down. I
want to know why it's not shut down. It has to be shut down. They there's multiple violations here. >> Well, so two of them you just brought to my attention today. Uh the number of vacuum >> these are just the glaring ones that I see. So, >> okay, what else am I going to find if I keep looking?
>> And the as far as the noise, that's why I need to I'm not qualified to do it. That's why I asked Essex Regional go out and measure it now that they have indicated they lowered it. And I need to have evidence that it's still out of compliance before we can shut them down.
>> But I was told by you guys that it was higher. I believe that you know the week of Thanksgiving that they came out and they did a measurement somebody from the town and it was even higher than it was before. So
>> So the town and Essex Regional were out there prior to them supposedly adjusting it and it was in excess of 38 dB at 30 ft but still below the state limit. Um that's when they indicated that they would have somebody out and lower the pressure whatever it is they did. Okay.
They've indicated they've done that. I don't know. Have you seen any drop off in the sound? Zero. Have you heard it? >> Not Not only that, but the air hoses that are being used is well above well above the the the 38. Well above and I will be happy to play it for all of you
guys in the closed door session. And I want to know if any of you guys will be would tolerate this in your backyard. I can hear it in my kitchen when I'm cooking. It's ridiculous. >> And these are the air hoses, not the vacuum. their air hoses, vacuums, and the turbines. So, it's every everything
about this car wash is out of compliance. I don't know how this got passed. It is absolutely unacceptable. >> All right. So, Barry, let's let's look at the uh let's look at what was talked about today. That's probably easier to count the number of vacuums verse what's
on the planet. That that's is that's the simplest thing to do. The >> I will have code enforcement out there first thing in the morning. count the number of vacuums >> and are they going to be shut down if they're in violation? >> Yes, certainly at a minimum if if as far as the numbers um they'd have to take two of them immediately out of service
15 versus 17. Um we will uh review the non-car wash users using them because that was a very clear topic of discussion. I will follow up hopefully Essex Regional was out there today to give me a reading. If it still even notwithstanding reducing it, it's still
above 38 dB at the 30 ft, then we'll shut them down until they build the wall and hopefully the wall will then bring them in compliance. >> What about the air? >> We just and the air hoses I want the air hoses tested because >> I don't I don't know that I don't you
can separately test is the overall noise generated. So I don't know like if you shut off the vacuums and only run the >> all day long air hose air >> uh we will add that to the the sound I guess they can separately I'm not a sound guy but I guess tell them don't run any vacuums just run the
>> air I asked him to measure the air hoses and he said that you know because the car wash was basically not open because it was a cloudy rainy morning he wasn't able to do it so they could do it Okay.
>> Hey Barry, I I have a question. So, what happens if if they come back and they say, "Oh, it's it's it's over 38." What are we doing? >> No, I'm not talking. What What are we doing? >> If Essex Regional comes back and says
that their attempt to in the interim turn down the pressure was not good enough to get it to 38. We were very clear with them. That's that's what we told them. If you get it below 38, then you're in compliance. You have to do it. If not, they'll shut down until they build the wall and then we'll test it once they build the wall.
>> So, they're not going to get any more chances then after >> this was their one shot to turn it down and if it didn't work didn't work or if it worked it worked. >> There's another question because the air hose is the first time that and that we've discussed it with the air hose were separated out. So, it's always been the turbine that we've talked about. >> Yes, but it's in Marty's it's been it's
been brought to Marty's attention through emails and everything else. It's not the first >> first time we're hearing about it up here though as far as I know. >> Okay. um let's say they're in compliance and they were close to 38 or just under 38 but the air hoses are not part of that discussion when they were as I understand it they weren't saying it was
38 for the entire facility they were saying it was 38 for the turbine right so how did the air hoses then come into play it becomes hard to understand how that would be affecting the the noise level >> yeah I again I don't know short of like telling them turn all the vacuums in the turbine off completely and then just measure the air hoses or vice versa if
it's all running at once I'm just wondering if the air hoses would then have to uh statutoily come under the 65, right? I mean, in other words, the 38 was only representing the turbine stuff, right? >> That was the testimony. I don't I got to go back and look at where these >> I'm just I'm worried about the issue
where they they build a wall around it and you're they're still loud because of the because of the air. >> I'm sure everybody understands that this is not just the turbines, it's the air hoses as well. It's you have the air hoses that are that are emitting a
droning sound and a siren sound. >> That that makes things harder and more complicated. Really, >> you understand why that does, right? It makes things more complicated for us to, you know, for us to try to um help you. Well, I don't see why it would because you have this constant sound all day
long that is constant from the minute they open to the minute they close and then you have this intermittent all day long air hoses going off. So why what what would be the issue? Why can't that be measured? >> I'm just saying that they represented the turbine at the 38 number, right? I
I'm I'm saying this out of sympathy for your position, but they represented that the turbine would be 38, right? dec >> if the air hoses were not included in the 38 and that's ends up being a bigger part of the problem that would be under the state law and that's a louder noise that's entitled to under state law. So it just it makes it a little more complicated.
>> Well, according to Essex County and the representative and I have text messages and photos of the decibel reading from Essex County Health Department or whoever you sent out showing that the decibb were 65 and 66 above at my
property line that was without the air hoses. Barry, I'm going to uh jump on Sean's I think Councilman Klein's question a little bit. So, what happens if Oh, I'm sorry, Deputy Mayor. What happened if the um our resolution didn't the planning board res
did not say 38? >> See if there was testimony as it related to the air hoses, how many air hoses, if there was any indication about the air hoses cuz >> But that's not my question, Barry. My question is going to be what happens if if the resolution didn't say 38? At what point does the neighbor say or or
there's a noise ordinance uh violation? >> So there's the state law and obviously if it exceeded the state law then you have the state law you can enforce it. The issue here is that a material representation was made in sworn testimony by their engineer relied upon
by the um planning board who indicated it was going to be 38 dB at 30 ft. Clearly it is not. Um, we believe at least that he was reading a sheet that he didn't read the footnote that said it was behind a concrete block wall. Um, obviously they're going to install the
wall. If they don't, um, either if they refuse to install the wall or if they install the wall and it doesn't work, then they're going to have to do more than that. Uh, because the alternative is to revoke their approval based on the wall. >> Is the wall somehow inclusive of the hoses? Like in other words, if there's a structure built with the hoses
>> Okay. No, the air hoses are at the stations. They do 18 of them or whatever 17 >> the the the uh the turbine is the vacuum. So all those air hoses if somebody uses them all at once and disconnects them, you're you're probably
talking 100 plus dB easily. >> Why don't we Why don't we make it Why don't we coordinate ourselves with the Essex County people and do this all at once instead of two people show up, one person shows up, one person doesn't. Why don't we just do this? >> Yeah, we'll get somebody coordinate. We're all there together with our people and do this once and for all the
>> overall in the way I I'm not disagreeing with anybody here, but we can't this this could go on all night. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we got to come up with a resolution to go forward and we have to get we have to get those people here. >> Do you know what 38 dB sounds like? >> I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing with household noise. I'm
not disagreeing with you. I said that. I just we need to come up with a resolution. >> Okay. But we also need to enforce what was stated. So you all stood here and told me it was going to be shut down and that's what should happen until they come into compliance. >> Okay, we will work on Thank you. Anybody? Anybody else? Anybody else?
Anybody else for public? Mr. Reese's, your time is up. Thank you. >> No, no. I It's open public. >> No, no, you your three minutes. You have three minutes. Three minutes. Three minutes. >> You had your three minutes. You just >> use my three minutes. I was on open topic of the other matters. I have a general >> Mr. Reese, you just talked to me about about how how how you made fun of me
about crying and because I'm Mr. Mr. Rees, do you not remember what you just said to me? >> I 100%. >> Do you remember Mr. Reese? Mr. Reese's, your 3 minutes is up. Please sit down. >> Use my 3 minutes and I I I have the solution in 35 seconds. The car washes backwards. You're out of order. You're
out of order. Policeman, can you ask out of order? I have Mes. You're not recognized and you're out of order. You're not recognized and you're out of order. Fact. The fact that you changed the fact that you don't remember that you're remain out of order. You're out of order, Mr. Rees. Basic engineering. I'm leaving. You're out of order. You
have You are >> You're out of order, Mes. >> And I did not use my three minutes. I am leaving. But engineering and zoning, you are so incompetent. >> You're out of order. You're out of order. >> Let's go. Let's go. >> This whole courtroom is out of order.
>> The clipboard. >> I think the clipboard stays here, officer. Clipboards are officially changed from one side to another. >> Mr. Reese's, you're out of order. officer, please remove him from the room. >> Incompetent, mayor. You're incompetent. The entrance should be on the other side
so that the progressor is in a commercial zoning area, not >> Mr. Reese, you're out of order. >> Anybody Anybody else for public for public comment? Okay, >> you speak just speak into the mic. You have to speak into the mic. Thank you.
Well, you do because Okay, fine. people are listening at home and we have a record of this. If you could please speak on the microphone. >> Thank you. >> More more you know balloon juice. >> The uh the town council here just just like the the the what do you call those those clowns in in Washington and
address the uh capital building. You're you're supposed to represent the people the pe these people. You represent nobody. you represent a corporate that's running a uh a a car wash that set up a car wash and you don't want to do anything about it when he's not in
compliance. Anybody here if this was in your backyard you it would not be it would that that would have been shut off a long time ago. It's ridiculous. All you got to do is listen to it. Just take a ride over there and listen to what's going on. Nobody here would put up with
that. Not one person. It would be shut down and it's still going. We've been here two and a half months with this. The third time. My time is valuable and I'm tired of wasting it. Nothing but balloon juice. It's all we get. It's all balloon juice. All right.
I'm going to tell you something right now. If something isn't done about this, I'm talking about tomorrow, we're going to have a problem there with me. All right. I had enough. I had enough of hearing airplane noises, air hoses. Ridiculous. The air hoses are louder than the vacuum and they all
intermittent you hear unplugging an air hose all day long. You hear that? And when there's a lot of people there at the at the supposedly 15 what was it 15 or 14 whatever the hell it was? >> 15 >> 14 15 there's 17 18 there. Imagine them
all there at one time disconnecting that hose. They they use a blow gun to blow dirt out of their cars. How would you like to hear that all day? You would. Nobody would put up with that. Not one person here. >> Anybody else for public? >> I'm sorry.
>> What is your name, please? >> Anthony Armando. >> Okay. Anybody else for public comment? Seeing none. >> Motion to close public comment. >> Second. All those in favor? >> I. All right. Okay. All right. Reports
of township officials and council members and anything for this evening? >> Nothing to report. Thank you, Mayor. >> Adam, >> nothing to report. >> Okay. Uh Barry, >> uh nothing, your honor. >> Russ, >> mayor. Uh thank you, mayor. Nothing else. We spoke about community development.
>> Okay. Carolyn, I'm sorry. Uh Jared. >> Uh thank you, mayor. Uh just to continue our updates on the fourth round fair share housing. Um, we had a mediation session this morning um with Fair Share Housing Center and our special adjudicator. Um, we also had a a uh a
pretty in-depth mediation session um last week that will be going through and closed tonight. Um, currently our session scheduled for December 16th. >> Thank you, Carolyn. Um, I just wanted to mention that with the student poll workers here tonight, it reminded me
that we have two special elections next year on top of the regular primary and the regular general because we're in the 11th congressional district and Mikey Cheryl has been elected to governor. We now have a special election on uh February 5th and April 16th. So, I just
wanted to make everybody aware of that and we hopefully will get our student pole workers back for that because they're greatly appreciated. >> It's great. They do great work and thank you again. Uh I think Councilman Anthony up for the announcements. >> Thank you mayor. >> Okay. Since the last time we met um a
report from the council on uh December 1st we had the Lucari Strawman. Um the different scenarios, different uh concept plans were presented by our consultants. Uh TNM I believe Barry that's on uh video where people could
watch the uh different uh concept plans for um the 11 or so acres at the Lari Farm. 9 or so acres at the Strawman property and the Orchard Hill property and it takes it uh through different uh maps. There was public feedback and it
was kind of a compilation of all the over a thousand different surveys and their previous uh town hall meeting. Um on 124 uh the 4th, Sanskriti, thank you to Sanskriti who provided a holiday lunch for our first responders. uh the
police department, the fire department, first aid. I know um Councilman Banani was there and Councilman Vieira uh was there and we just had a chance to uh thank them for thanking our uh first responders. So again, thank you Sreedy. Uh the YMCA had their steel beam signing
which is just a ceremony when they're they lay their highest uh point of the building uh for a building that broke ground. I believe it was in April. Uh now they are at their highest point. This was on 125 December 5th and they're on target for a grand opening in
December of 2026. Um the Livingston Advisory Committee on Disabilities had their holiday party on uh the 6th. Um I'd like to thank and I see Santa Claus here, Tim Foley who was there uh doing a great job uh taking pictures with everyone and also of
course Bob Gabro and the whole the whole uh advisory committee on disabilities uh do a great job there. that was at the community center. Same day the uh Kamuso lighting um happened uh a big happening and I like to thank the entire uh committee the Kamuso committee for doing
a great job and it's bigger and better than ever grows every year and the faces on the kids and um it was just a wonderful beautiful event. Hot chocolate was there. Um they had this year they had the misters they had uh every anyone remembers heat meister and um
coldmeister. There's a display. What's that? Snowmeister. Thank you, Tim. Um, >> and uh he was Santa. You have Santa for LACD at Kamuso. Are you Friday? >> I'm not sure.
>> Okay. I believe that's four to six I have down. Great. And thank you again. Uh yeah, the Meisters are there. There's a a grandma making uh with donuts there. there. So, there's a few new things to check out, but uh always a great time when you go to Kamuso this time of year.
Um we got coming up the LACD Kamuso on the I think it's uh the 12th from 4 to 6. Uh the next night, Livingston Symphony, the next part in their series of concerts is at 7:30 at Heritage Middle School. That's the Saturday the
13th. The 15th, uh the there will be a Manura lighting at Town Center at 5:30. Um, there is one at Kamuso on the 17th at I have 5:30 uh as well. Um, and then I have 5:30.
>> I'm sorry. The town center is Thursday the uh 18th. >> It got moved. >> Yeah, the town center one. Yeah, the town center is Thursday the 18th. >> 5:30 >> at I don't know the exact 5:30 and the Kamuso is uh is 5:15. >> 12 >> 127 but 51
>> 515 5:15 instead of 5:30. Thank you. on 1217. Thank you, mayor. >> Um on the U Oh, you moved it. >> Yes. >> One more event is on the 13th at 7:00. Sand will be arriving there for the
first responder night. >> At what time? >> That's 7 o'clock. >> 7 o'clock. Okay. So, if uh it didn't pick it up on the speakers, thank you so much, Tim. Um, Santa will be arriving on the 13th at Kamuso and that is for the first responders. That's first responder
night. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Kids and uh horse and uh you know a hay ride for the kids also there. >> That's great. Was that one cancelled last year because of the weather? >> Unfortunately, it was canceled because of the weather. >> I remember that. So, knock on wood.
Everything's good. And that's 12:13 uh 7:00 Santa arriving. And um I think that's it. I don't think I have anything else from our council members. Um, we won't, this is probably our last meeting of December. Uh, it is our last meeting, >> probably last. Yeah, we might. Yeah,
it's probably our last scheduled meeting December. >> So, therefore, happy uh Hanukkah, happy Quanza, and of course, merry Christmas. And we have a reorganization meeting scheduled for 1:4, that's Sunday, at 11 a.m. Uh where we'll have uh our
reorganization and everyone uh we reappoint and get a uh new mayor and new deputy mayor. So at the community center >> and that's at the community center. >> Yes. >> So thank you. Uh so this is our last official meeting. Um and I just want to take this opportunity first of all to
say a couple thank yous. I know I'll have plenty of time on the fourth. I won't use 47 minutes like other people up here, but I will um but I >> Wow. >> But I but I I but um but I I just wanted to uh first of all, I want to thank uh my town council, the rest of the town
council uh who have worked really really hard this year. Um to get a lot of things accomplished as a group. Uh I'm proud of what we've done together. I'm really honored to work with all of you. you all come at things a different way and we uh talk about a lot of stuff and we wind up getting it right I believe
for the town and I just wanted to thank all of you for all the hard work that you've supported me with this year and it's been a wonderful year to our professionals who are sitting here uh our c first of all our attorney Jared Canther and your whole staff thank you so much uh for everything that you've done you've led us through fair share um
this past year and the year before that and you continue to do that which is very valuable for not only uh this town council but for the um community as well. So, thank you. And to our professionals here, uh town clerk, Carol Mazuko, our CFO, uh and our assistant town manager, our um deputy town
manager, and of course, our town manager, Barry Lewis. All of you are the reason why, and everybody else in this building, everybody else in the community center, all our first responders who work so hard to keep this town um at is we thank them very much. Um, personal thanks also to the fire,
first aid, uh, and our LPD who are here as well this evening. As they've been every evening, we thank them very much for keeping our town safe throughout the whole year as well. Uh, there'll be more thank yous, but I just really wanted to express my my sincere thanks now when we have a few minutes. So, I think that's
it for right now. I wish everybody a um like Councilman Anthony said, a happy Hanukkah, happy Quanza, merry Christmas, a very healthy and happy new year. Um and we are going to be going back into open session um in the conference room. Okay. >> The only further action the council will
be taking will be to pass the resolution to go back into close session, but no other business will be taking place tonight.