##VIDEO ID:NTQrzeSp-ZE## you are we good Jackie yeah please okay good evening this is a special meeting of Livingston's planning board and notice of this meeting has been published in accordance with the open public meetings act thank you if you can please take the role Mr rner yes Mr Diner yes Miss fos yes Mr Lewis here miss wishne here Mr Fernandez here uh Mr Reber Miss coochie Mr Minard Mr Paran and vice chair c toer and not present we do have our board attorney assistant Township engineer traffic consultant and our planning consultant Mr chairman we do have a quorum thank you if you can please call the first matter first and only matter that matters schedule for this evening is preliminary and final s plan for esplanad Livingston LLC 550 and 570 West Mount Pleasant Avenue block 101 Lot 2 8-10 micolab road block 100 lot 16 and that's located in the r5s overlay and r i ao2 Zone uh thank you very much so welcome um for if we have any new people in the audience I'll just go through the general procedure for tonight's hearing uh the applicant is represented by an attorney who will explain the application the applicant's attorney will call one or more witnesses to give sworn testimony and support of the application members of the board may ask the witness Witnesses questions and when the attorney for the applicant has no more questions for a witness interested parties in favor of or in opposition to the application May question the witness about that witness's testimony when all the applicants Witnesses have testified if there is an entity or group formally appearing as a party in support of or an opposition to the application that party May call witnesses all the witnesses and the parties have been heard members of the public May uh give sworn statements for or against the application so counselor you are welcome to enter your appearance yes uh good evening chairman members of the board Craig janetti the law firm Dave Pitney on behalf of the applicant esplanad Livingston LLC uh as the chairman indicated this is an application for preliminary and final major site plan approval for property uh located at Lot 2 in Block 101 and lot 16 in Block 100 uh the application is seeking site plan approval to develop two inclusionary multif family buildings consisting of 280 Apartments uh distributed between two buildings um one of the uh buildings located on lot two uh which is in the r a-2 residential inclusionary adult overlay District uh will be a four-story building consisting of 120 age restricted uh apartments for adults 55 and older and then the second building will be on lot 16 uh in Block 100 located in the r-5 S residential overlay District uh and that will be consisting of a four-story building of 160 uh residential apartments that would be Family Apartments so it would be non- AG restricted as the board recalls about probably a month or two ago we were before you to kind of deal with the first part of this application which was reconfiguring Lot 16 and incorporating a portion of lot uh 15 which is a lifetown lot and we did the switch of the football field and that kind of now created the lot configuration that we're going to be proposing the site plan for this evening the board professional review letters identified some variances uh relating to parking dimensions and accessories structure setbacks that our witnesses will uh go through and testify about and provide support for um and some of the items too we believe uh we do comply with and we'll address that through testimony as well so unless there's anything further of me uh we have four Witnesses here tonight uh Mike lonz ofama our civil engineer we have uh Tom Bower our lanscape architect uh L delmare Rosado our architect and then Gary Dean our tra TR engineer U so unless there's anything further I'd like to call our first witness Mike lonz ofama you swear the testimony you're about to give this man will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth I do my name is Michael Lonzo Fama that's l a n Za f m I'm a licensed professional engineer land surveyor and planner licensed in the state of New Jersey I'm a principal with the firm of Casey and Keller Incorporated 258 Main Street Milbourne New Jersey I've testified before this board on similar applications numerous times all my licenses are still current at this point I ask the board accept Mr Alonzo f as an expert in the field of civil engineering engineer and uh and planning and planning he will be addressing the variance relief as well so Mr Lama if you were under you or someone under your direction prepared any exhibits uh for tonight's meeting I guess as you testify you can just identify these exhibits and we'll have them marked for the record um and maybe starting with the first exhibit if you can just kind of describe the existing conditions and surrounding area of the property certainly um what I have up on the screen currently is from the cover sheet and the plan set that was submitted uh it's an aerial image of the area surrounding the properties in question um there are two uh green outlined areas those are the properties in question um the one to the west or the upper part of the drawing uh the exhibit is tax Lot 2 in Block 101 known as 570 West Mount Pleasant Avenue uh this is uh a parcel that is located on the northwesterly corner of the intersection of rout 10 and microlab Road uh this parcel consists of uh approximately 3.23 acres in size um and it is currently um uh occupied by an existing two-story office building with a drive-through Bank you could see that uh pretty well in in the uh in the aerial let me just bring that down there we go there we go so you could see uh on the exhibit you could see the existing outline of the existing structure you could see parking fields to the north um and along the south side of the building driveway access currently exists directly to Route 10 and to microlab Road microlab road is the roadway that divides the two Parcels um there are no uh Wetlands or flood Hazard areas U that impact this particular site uh let me just go over to the survey itself uh there we go get that on there there we go so this is the survey of the subject property and you can see uh again the outline of the two-star office building and the parking Arrangement um there are no steep slopes Wetlands or flood Hazard areas uh that impact uh the property the existing topography which is represented by the contour lines the dash lines you see on the plan uh indicate that the site Rises very gently up from uh West Mount Pleasant Avenue and then raides down to the north and to the east um uh with the lower elevations along microlab Road uh drainage from the site uh currently enters both state and Municipal storm Source systems via series of pipes and and collection systems that currently uh exist on the property the development of the site the site itself is located in the newly created uh r a o-2 residential inclusionary adult overlay Zone that's a mouthful and that zone permits what we are proposing which is the construction of 120 uh apartment units that would be age restricted there would be uh 20% uh set aside as part of that um what I have up on the screen currently let me see if I can blow that up a bit is a color rendering of the um let me close this a color rendering of the proposed site plan for tax Lot 2 in um U block 101 and what this shows you is we've colorized the building itself it's kind of an h-shaped building um that has a a central uh amenity Courtyard tucked within the wings of the building um there is also a four-story parking garage immediately to the north of the structure uh the building itself is four stories high and as I said would house 120 dwelling units to the south of the building is what we refer to as our amenity area uh there are pickle ball courts a trellis um some seating areas a dog park uh located on the uh Southeastern portion of the site in this corner of the property um as part of the overall design to provide for adequate parking for the proposed tenants that would be within the building um we've created a small parking court at the front entry to the building there'll be six parking spaces available there one of which would be handicap accessible um and the idea of this uh area is like for an Uber perhaps or a um uh some kind of delivery that might be very very short term uh where people need to run in and out maybe a uh a postal Service delivery uh things of that sort uh the main parking would be within the parking garage uh it's four levels of parking there'll be a total of 243 parking spaces uh within the garage so that gives us a total of 200 and 49 parking spaces that would be available um for the development um based upon the ordinance the ordinance requires that parking be provided at the ratio of 1.6 cars per dwelling unit uh based upon the number of uh dwelling units we are required to have 192 uh parking spaces um there are no commercial uses there's this is not a mixed juice development um this is totally residential in nature um and the project as designed would eliminate any direct access other than an emergency fire access to rout 10 or West Mount Pleasant Avenue access to the to the parking garage as well as to the service area would be directly from microlab Road at the northeast corner uh of the uh project um the arrangement that we have the area uh let me blow this up for you a little bit so we can focus I'm sorry is that a new exhibit this well it's a a rendered exhibit of sheet five which is the site plan so we call it as A1 which is the rendered version of the uh site plan for lot two in Block 101 that was page five you said and that's page five in the plan set correct so what we have is uh dual access you know in and out two-way traffic moving from microlab Road into the parking garage you can see that we have a utility room and a trash room uh located on the north side of the building uh immediately adjacent to this loading area and what this will allow for is for Refuge trucks uh to pull and back in uh refu is collected within the building there's no outdoor storage uh of refuse and recycling it's all contained within the building and would be managed by uh Personnel uh management of the building um they would coordinate the uh pickup of refu with the uh private cing firm uh that would bring the refu out directly to the trucks this would all be done on site there's no need for the truck to park out on micro lab Road or uh Route 10 for that matter and this will uh provide for a safe and efficient way uh for refu it also allows us the ability to have a good location for move in and move out uh the uh moving truck could park into that area they can gain direct access into the building through the parking garage and to the elevator that would allow them to bring uh you know furniture back up into each of the apartments uh that are being proposed the way the parking deck is envisioned is that the tenants um on that floor would have one dedicated parking space to that level so if you lived on the first floor you would have one dedicated parking space on that level second floor Etc um the additional parking spaces would be open first come first serve so you know that you have your space dedicated on that level the remainder of the spaces are available and as you can see from the parking count um we have excess parking uh compared to what the projected demand would be uh based upon the ordinance and and what many people have experienced with age restricted uh types of development such as this um in addition to the uh overall uh parking Arrangement and our proposal for deliveries we're also managing the site um that that is the storm water elements of the site with three different storm water management basins um the First Basin is located in the southwest corner of the site and this will pick up a significant amount of the roof area as well as the amenity space and then along and surrounding the north and west side of the parking garage is a second Basin and finally a third uh what we call small scale scale bio retention basins would be positioned on the east side of the building um this Basin would pick up runoff Waters uh from the paved surfaces so allow for treatment of the water column uh before being discharged into the municipal system um the design concept that we have meets the basic standards uh not only meets the basic standards but exceeds the standards uh outlined under the best management practices of providing green infrastructure uh for these types of developments um the uh the design not only um meets the standards and the projected runoff rates of today uh it's been designed to uh meet and and handle and control storm rainfall events that have been projected for the year 2050 as required under the new state standards for storm water management um in addition to storm water management um all of our utilities would be subsurface into the building um there will be no overhead electric into the building um Telephone electric is all underground uh we have two Transformers located off of uh microlab road that would provide power to the building uh sanitary sore is going to be available um from microlab Road uh we're going to be extending the sanitary who are from the existing line that runs uh East West along the north side of Route 10 that will be brought down to provide for uh connections easy connection uh into or from the building into the municipal sanitary sewer system um we have received review memos from Mont McDonald uh the Township's consultant with regard to sewer and water and we will be meeting all of their requirements including video cameraing the existing sewer systems cleaning them where necessary and providing them with whatever information they need to be able to evaluate the project and sign our treatment works approval application forms for submission to the state um as part of the development um your planning office has uh identified a number of variances with regard to this project um the only one that really in my mind uh is is that is truly a variance I I don't believe the ones with regard to the accessory structures uh really fall under the criteria but we've noticed for them we can provide proofs for them but in any event all of the parking spaces in the parking garage are 9 by8 without the ability to have the twoot overhang um under your ordinance 9 by8 spaces are permitted it if they have a twoot overhang um 9 by8 spaces are the standard for the residential site Improvement standards which normally govern multif family development such as this um but we don't see any uh significant impact Associated um the configuration of the garage is adequate to provide for parking spaces for motor vehicles with the appropriate backup 24t wide backup at each so we don't see this as an issue um we see this can be handled as a C2 variance um we see that um by not having to make the garage 8 feet wider to accommodate additional overhang for the vehicles to make the vehicles uh 9 by 20 ft um reduces the footprint of the structure uh unnecessary impervious coverage would result if you expanded it and the parking stalls do work in the 99 by8 configuration and and that's reinforced by uh the residential site Improvement standards which provide that as a standard um under a separate section of your ordinance which deals just with accessory structures it's which you see right in through here and that trellis area that is associated with the pickle bable courts um under that section of the ordinance under Section uh 17087 e c2a um requires a front yard setback off of Route 10 for accessory structures that are equivalent to the required front yard setback which in this zone is 50 ft um the pickle ball court to the east that's the one the lower one on the on the image is 17.7 feet from rout 10 which would require a 32.3 foot setback variance the pick ball court to the West is 18.6 fet which would require a variance of 31.4 ft and then the pickle ball trellis which is sits between the two structure or the two courts excuse me to quartz is at 34.2 feet which will require a 15.8 ft variance in addition to that setback variance there's also a requirement under 180 or excuse me 17087 ec6 that there be a minimum separation between accessory structures of 10 ft um in this particular case you can see that the trellis is not 10 ft from the pickle ball courts so they um they the the variance requirement excuse me is 20 feet where they're separated 10 feet so the variance being requested is 10 feet and that's for the trellis to the pickle ball courts and the pickle ball courts to the trellis so it's kind of uh redundant but uh in any event these two in my mind or C2 variances uh I think they could be granted uh without any detriment to the to the public good or the intent and purpose of your Zone plan the plan for this site was always to have amenity spaces to the south of the building along Route 10 as part of that design concept and you'll hear from our landscape architect uh We've instituted a screen wall um and substantial Landscaping along Route 10 that would help screen that out and obviously the pickle ball courts are at grade so they're not large structures that are are uh going to be uh affecting the streetcape or the VIS the visual images that you you might see as you ride along Route 10 uh the trellis is a relatively small structure and again uh in my mind can be granted as a C2 variance I guess Mr Lan ofama with respect to all those reasons you you just outlined is it your opinion that the benefits of granting the deviation substantially outweigh any detriments with respect to the relief I do I do and um in in furtherance of that the for the positive criteria for the C2 uh there are a number of um elements of the municipal land use law uh purposes that were in my mind were advancing the first is to encourage Municipal action to guide the appropriate use of development of lands in a matter that will promote public health safety and general welfare I think the creation of inclusionary housing is certainly one of those goals and objectives and that this helps facilitate that and provide those tenants with an appropriate place for uh Recreation and enjoyment uh e to promote the establishment of appropriate population densities and concentrations that will contribute to the well-being of people neighborhoods communities and regions and G provides for a variety of housing types uses to meet the needs of the community and all New Jersey citizens and for the same reason because this is an an inclusionary uh type development I think it's appropriate um I don't see any negative debt uh impacts um as a matter of fact the the new storm water management elements is certainly a positive there's actually a significant reduction in impervious coverage resulting from the development we're reducing the impervious coverage by nearly 14,000 square feet um so that coupled with the storm water management elements the enhanced Landscaping um and the screen wall I think uh kind of mitigate any negatives associated with the granting of the variants um the before you move on from the variances can we have an opportunity to have some questions pertaining to that part sure okay so just for clarity the pickle ball calls courts will not be lighted correct there there there are lights within the amenity areas there's H Ballard type lighting but they're not going to be lit at night they're not going to be SC you know like Stadium type lighting that's not going to be what's happening um and there's no concern with regard to people playing pickle ball that I mean it's not like tennis where balls can travel long distances and end up out of there to Route 10 that's correct the wall would the wall along Route 10 help screens that out and protect those those balls from going out onto Route 10 okay you also talked about inclusionary housing as part of your um reasoning for the benefit here and could you just please explain for the record um on this particular property how many low and moderate income housing units will be provided there'll be 20% of the 120 that are proposed for this site so it's 24 units and they will be on site on site that's correct that's all I have thank you and our architect will address you know the integration within the the building as well of the affordable units and the market rate units yeah before I move on to lot 16 do do we want to do you want to have any questions about lot two and and what we've proposed so far before we move on to lot 16 do any members of the board before we move on uh one quick one on those the spots right at the entrance there are those going to be signed like for 15 minutes one you said Uber Eats and stuff will drop off we could do that we haven't done that initially but we we could probably do that I I mean I think the intent is they're very temporary temporary parking yeah so okay um just again for purposes of the record all of the detention basins will be fenced with with a I believe a split rail fence and then internally on that fence there'll be finer fence wire fencing to prevent the potential of any young people being able to get in there if in if water is being maintained assuming it ever rains again yeah they're they're not they're they are biod detention basins they're not um uh basins that wet basins that are referred to there's not going to be water in them all the time okay any other members any other questions um and if I missed it I apologize where movein and move outs where's the trucks that that would in the uh in the loading area here uh the trucks can move in uh back into position pull up back into position I guess you can't see my finger can you back into position and they can access the uh parking garage and then just uh in the parking garage is an elevator that's available gotcha and that uh what's a distance there that's big enough to I mean not an 18 wheeler but any that would accommodate a truck that would move this size of I guess I should show that we we did submit a turning exhibit uh truck turning templates for uh the different uses this is uh a fire Tru moving into uh this was uh sheet what did we call this I think it was E1 is it E1 yes E1 that was submitted with the with the plan package um and this shows you uh how the fire truck Maneuvers into the emergency area that the fire chief uh dufford had request it um we also have uh let's see the next one the next one is uh the garbage truck and or uh uh moving van that can move into position back in and then exit out appropriately and that's on lot too I have similar exhibits for 16 but we'll hold off on that and they're similarly sized the um the the uh refu trucks and move move in Vans yes they're about the same so remember these are you know they're they're one two bedroom units they're you're not going to have a huge amount of furniture associated with them movement of um emergency vehicles within the garage obviously you're not going to be able to get a fire truck I believe in the garage right but there are stand pipes in all of the garages the garages are I believe sprinkled yeah the entire building and garage would be sprinkled I'll defer to lose I believe that's the case yes okay how many handicap spaces will be we have eight building we we have eight handicap spaces dedicated for this building which is what the requirement is I think the requirement is actually seven we have eight so we have the one in front of the building and the remainder in the parking garage we have them on each level are they situated near the elevator yes they are we have them pull that down we have the handicap spaces just off the driveway and the elevator is right here to my left I know there was concern for the EV the location of the EV stations and the ease of the fire department in the event of the need because of the concern with EV stations to be as close to um access points um and has that been accomplished yes you can see the EV Spa bases are located immediately adjacent to the elevator in close proximity to the driveway and we've also made the one handicap space as required in EV space and that's as close to the garage door as you can get it KN boxes on the front of every building I'm sorry say KNX boxes yes yes of course how many EV ready spaces were the are there um I believe for for this building um initially we're going to be putting in 10 um we're required to have 29 under the state law so the other 19 would be phased in over the next six years as required by law any of the board's professionals have any questions thank you thank you good evening um can you go over the visitor parking spaces you said there'll be one Reserve per unit in the garage how is the visitor parking going to be accommodated the the garage will be accessible by visitors to the site so they'll be able to park in any are any parking spot that's not dedicated to that apartment do you have any idea how you're going to do the are you going to put numbers or colors or signs yeah we we'll have some kind of numbering system that'll say reserved for apartment two or whatever or just some reserved okay gotcha all right can you just go over the uh site triangles coming out of the driveways sure you can see we're we're showing the site triangle maybe I'll zoom out a little bit on this one there we go so as you can see um a vehicle exiting from the garage would would be controlled by a Stop Bar and a stop sign um and they have an easy line of sight the road on microlab road is straight and true there's no unusual grade changes so they have a clear line of sight for over 280 ft uh to to their left and um similarly oops went the wrong way similarly you have a good line of sight uh to the in the other direction towards the connection with Route 10 uh similarly the vehicles that come through that little six-car parking area also have a good free line of sight not obstructed in any way so in the oh no it's next lot never mind uh me you want to just go over I think you have a variance for the length of the parking stalls they're supposed to be 20 in Livingston yeah I did that already you did we went over the 9 by8 versus the 9 by 20 good okay all right I think that's it for now for this lot right um we you probably mentioned this already is is is it gated the parking garage the par parking garage would be controlled by a fob right a key fob that will open a gate so people would come in and Buzz their apartment be allowed in visitors would then be allowed so somebody inside would have to buzz a v a visitor R onto the into the garage yeah the V the the apartment right uh would would allow that visitor to access the garage V visitor parking is going to be for this building in the garage correct and the access to that is by pushing the button to call who's ever there and if they're not there they can't get into the garage that's correct in which case where do they go they back out and exit they that's why we have that t kind of configuration here so they could back into the air make a k turn and come back out and I'm assuming as you come out the garage the G automatically it automatically opens yeah anything else from our board's professionals you hi Grand pedo board planner um just wanted to confirm the treatment for the um sidewalk Paving that traverses the sixc car parking area is that going to be uh like a level grade so like will the like level sidewalk and it's almost like a a speed table kind of thing yeah it's it the area we we did different um different Paving types um we have uh oops there we go um we have um like a a kind of a p a brick PA kind of uh uh area proposed for where the parking stalls are in the driveway and then for The Pedestrian access area it's a different material it's all flush um and it's at the appropriate slope doesn't exceed 2% so the whole area is Ada accessible okay thank you yeah that was one of our comments and I just wanted to also further recommend that there be some signage about temporary parking or shortterm parking for those yeah we we we concur okay thank you okay um I I also neglected to uh mention we arm receipt of engineering's memorandum we've uh made an effort to comply with uh every part of that so far we will continue to uh respond to uh Janette and Rocco's comments uh I believe we've addressed probably 90% of them we have a few that are yet to be uh satisfied but we will continue to work with engineering and we have no problem with their recommendations and and requests and I just had one additional question just regarding um coordination of the refu collection um will there be some will that be scheduled for early hours just thinking about conflicts with entry and exit into in and out of the garage if the refuges collection will be at some point that yeah we're going obviously we're going to have to figure that out uh but there there maintenance staff on in the building that will manage that we'll work with a private courting firm and we'll find out the optimum P time to do that pickup and uh depending upon what the demand is whether that's two three or four days a week we don't know yet okay and the trash room is sufficiently sized to hold containers until that collection vehicle arrives yeah we have a compactor system shoots and we have collection rooms on every floor so there's there's more than adequate for that great thank you we'll get to the second lot but is the will the tra refu collection be coordinated for both buildings yes thank you signage before you leave signage on the roads um specifically between access between the two buildings that go from microlab over to Davon we had talked about um some indication that the road goes all the way through that you have access to do that we've we've indicated a sign out at DAV that tells um delivery vehicles that this is the the connection to LIF toown we talked about that during the LIF toown um I don't think we've indicated a sign that says you can drive through well I think we talked about that at the track meeting as to predominantly when you're coming from the the property to the furthest to the West um and to get to Davin without having to go out onto Route 10 and deal with the intersections which okay um and we had talked about if you came out that you would be able to get to Davin and get to that intersection that allows you to go east and west on Route 10 and that there was signage that you could go through because there the the driveways are a little bit offset but wanted it to be clear that you could do that yes we I I don't believe we have a sign specific that states that but we'll have to work that out we'll work that out with uh Mr Dean our traffic consultant and and Rocco and Lee uh we'll have to figure out the exact wordage and how that how the tenants are informed of that maybe you know as part of little education experience when they first move in I I don't know what they through traffic yeah yeah or access to dve something to that you're basically referring to the drive aisle between microl laab and Dav Road correct okay correct yeah so so you want motorists who are exiting the parking garage to realize that they can just drive through the adjoining uh site lot 16 out to DAV and the traffic light and can then go east right otherwise you're going out onto rout 10 up to a very bad intersection having to make a U-turn and go all the way back right this definitely helps that but people have to know that it's successible agreed we'll make that clear Michael can you zoom out a tiny bit so we can see both driveways a little bit you know to the north yeah so the exit from the the Eastern lot and the exit from the Western lot line up right the word stop and stop line up so coming out to make no well I'm saying they line up in a bad way they don't the driveways don't align the exit aligns with the exit so that it's a head-to-head left turn and that could be a conflict and then to get out to go across you're making like a weird little 12T jog to your right get out and get back into the next lot is there a way to line that up a little better I mean it looks up maybe at the top the garage door here um we would have to you could flip put a little or or if you took see what you got three parking spaces in the garage facing down in the drawing if you flipped one to the other side and SL slid the whole thing over 10t well I I don't I'd have to defer there's there's a structure involved so um I I don't know how easy it might be to ship that driveway or that garage door opening a bit um we can we can certainly take a look at it like because they're going to do that to get out to Davin to get out to Route 10 to go East so that movement I can see that movement happening point on the plan for those that don't have the plan available to them the the driveways that we're talking about these two driveways here this is the exit driveway from the parking garage and this is the driveway uh on lot 16 what Mr Klein is referring to is that this exiting vehicle and this exiting vehicle are just opposed to one another and um he's concerned about a potential conflict if if they're one's making or if they one's making a left and one's making a right and he was hoping that we could realign the exiting driveway from the parking garage to better align with the driveway to the east on on lot 16 maybe you could maybe you could just put some kind of an island in there so maybe when you come out of the garage you jog there y to your right and then when you're coming out of the the Eastern lot you're jogging to your right so that they line up better have room to shift this curb line to the South and then create a little island in here and that would allow motorists to better align with so you're holding the North Line curb line on the Eastern property and you're holding the South line on the western property but you're kicking the others wider correct see we could do that yeah but with the island you better watch out for your truck turning movements yeah I mean it could beable could it might not even be an island island just to try to kick them over that way yeah there's a way to do it I'm sure there's a way to do it what method is used to open the garage door I can't hear you sorry what method is used to open the garage doors for motorists it's a a key fob like uh for for the tenants they would have a key fob that would open it um motor visiting the site would be buzzed in by their uh by the whoever they're visiting so there would be a call box or and how many cars can queue up to that entrance um you could queue up probably um it looks to me at least three or four cars in that driveway and there's only one lane in and out is that correct one one lane in and out that's correct so if a a visitor is queued up waiting to be buzzed in a tenant would have to wait for that the that to take place yes yes they would close it up behind so Mike on you on your site plan you don't have a detail of the entrance like if there's a if there's a a push button tin we don't have that detailed out yet but the architect does I don't know if they have it detailed out yet but it's been discussed on how we would provide for Access into the garage all right you know and I maybe speaking at of turn I should talk to my client I guess but I in some of these applications what we've done is that during normal business hours say from 9: to 4: the garage door is open and have free access so that's something to consider as well and is there a remote bug um for tenants who aren't home I know you said sometimes they'll have to leave but if if a tenant is out of town and they want to let their dog walker in can they do that yeah I know there's technology that we haven't gotten into that detail at least I haven't yeah just turn around some of these operations have a keypad so that someone could be given the code to get in can you consider that I I haven't I haven't the architect and the and the I'm sure my clients they have a number of these buildings that they operate I'm sure they've worked out all those things say from a practical standpoint there are they don't use keypads anymore half of it is your phone and you can access the garage from anywhere in the world and open it up and let anybody in I could open my garage right now availability does exist yeah if assuming that that's what they're going to use and I'm assuming that they will most likely yes maybe any other questions great thank you all M you can move on then okay we're going to move on to lot 16 now um get my notes Here for lot 16 okay I'm going to go back to uh uh the survey for lot 16 we go oops there we Mike I don't know if it's you or if it's the um architect but I know one of the things we talked about in all of the garbage rooms and I know that's going to be something the architect talks about with location but I don't know from an engineering standpoint or a water and drainage standpoint that there's um water access in all of the compactor rooms and drains in all of the compactor rooms and all of the compactor rooms are also sprinkled yes they are so the answer to all all of those is yes I I believe so I know they're sprinkled and I know we have drains in the in the garage one I don't know if there's a hose bib in there as well I imagine that could be accommodated so the other part of this application is um tax slot 16 in Block 100 which is located uh on the Eastern side of microlab road at the same intersection with Route 10 and this is the site of the Westminster hotel or the Esplanade uh as it has been known over years over the years this site um having been reconfigured um with the additional land area uh acquired through the minor subdivision that we got approved last month uh would bring the land area for this particular site to 5.67 eight Acres uh in size and again um this is the existing Hotel Site um there are large parking areas to the north and to the east as well as access to both uh to Route 10 Daven Avenue and microlab road from this particular site uh similar to the site before um the drainage pattern is very similar the topography Rises up from Route 10 and then drops to the north and to the east uh as you move uh through the site uh the Northern end of the site was basically cut off and conveyed to lifetown this is where the football field would be relocated to which is on the North End uh of the site um this particular property as with lot two is not impacted by flood plane Wetlands or steep slopes and all of the utilities are ready readily available within um West Mount Pleasant Avenue and microlab Road this particular development let see if I can find the right one there we go this is the rendering this is would be exhibit A2 um and this is a colorized rendering of sheet 5.1 uh which is the site plan drawing for lot 16 and again the building is very similar in its uh footprint it's an h-shaped building um and has a total of 160 dwelling units and four stories uh parking for this particular project is All Surface parking there's no garage spaces associated with this uh similar to the one on lot two uh we have the same parking Court uh in the front of the building with six spaces dedicated for drop off of uh or Uber pickup and things of that sort um and then the remainder of the site has a total of 264 parking spaces for total of 270 spaces this site will also have uh eight handicap parking spaces uh there's one in the parking court and the remainder are located um adjacent to um the side entry to the building oops you can see those are in close proximity to um a side entry point uh into the building uh in addition to that um we have a a cutout in the driveway area that would act as a loading area again for refu pickup and for move in and move out um you can see from the exhibit um that the uh trash room is located immediately adjacent to that loading area um and then there is access into the building with access to an elevator uh in close proximity to that uh you basically come through the caror that's marked loading and take that into the elevators um as part of the overall parking scheme um there will be 16 EV charging stations installed initially uh with an additional 31 uh EV spaces phased in over the next six years uh which gives us a total of 41 EV spaces as required uh by the state code um the parking requirement for this project is based on the residential ccial site Improvement standards uh and based upon that we would requir be required to have 309 parking spaces considering the EV charging credits that would be Associated the required number of parking spaces would be dropped to 280 excuse me 278 um and we're proposing 270 so that eight car shortfall is made up in the parking garage under um section 170104 point11 15 C 11b under that ordinance that was drafted um within the r5s Zone in which the property is located we can utilize excess parking in the garage for this site so no variance is required for the number of parking spaces and in this particular layout all of the parking spaces are compliant they're 9 by8 with the ability to have a twoot overhang so there is no variance being sought uh as to the size of the parking spaces um again there's um amenity spaces proposed within this the Center Court uh of the building there'll be a pool and and other amenities and then to the south of the building again there's amenity space there'll be a playground for for the children there'll be some outdoor sitting areas and a trellis as well as a dog park on this property uh as well um again all utilities would be brought in underground um again we have Transformer located out uh towards microlab Road um which would provide service uh into the building again that there's that screen wall that we have proposed uh all along the Route 10 Frontage um help isolate the amenity space um and we do need um a uh a single variance for uh one of the accessory structures which is a parking uh excuse me a playground structure a little gym set that we have located uh in the Southeast Corner uh of the site the setback for that is 19.6 Ft uh from the route 10 rway um and that would be a variance of 31.4 feet um and that is the only variance that is associated with this particular what is that from okay and uh that's the only variance that would be required for this particular application and again it's the same argument I presented for lot two in my mind it's a C2 variance um the uh the setback requirement of 50 feet I think uh this this particular design with the enhanced landscaping and Screen wall certainly offsets uh any negatives associated with the playground equipment being uh in the front yard and less than 50 ft uh from the right of way um again um just as we did on the other parcel um we are proposing bior retention Basin in this particular instance we have two um these are what they call small scale bio retention basins the one to the South which is along Route 10 um would receive a significant part of uh the runoff from the parking area as well as the building roof water um this will pre-treat the water column before it's discharged into the state system um and then the uh the second one we have um is a uh a bio retention Basin that in in this Northern section of the site it turns out the soils are extremely permeable and um that this would also not only treat the runoff uh and purify the water but also promote groundwater recharge and again um the design totally meets the BMP standards not just for today but up to the year 2050 with the projected uh rainfall events let me digress one minute in in looking at this I forgot about our Maintenance building our Maintenance building obviously is immediately adjacent to the driveway um under the ordinance that was written um the accessory structure is supposed to be set 10 feet from the driveway and in this particular case obviously it's not because we have to gain access to it so um we uh the maintenance building is permitted under the ordinance um but it's supposed to be set back 10 ft from the parking area so obviously that would be virtually impossible to do without being able to gain access to it um so we do need a variance for that as well and again I I think the C2 criteria is appropria here um I I don't think the setback requirement was envisioned for the maintenance building it was probably for other types of uh accessory structures that might be in the form uh of amenities what is the actual set back um it's 5 ft from the uh from the edge of the uh Drive aisle and the nearest parking space and I guess to that point M shalama the the section 17087 e uh that we're requesting relief from that's actually not in the specific Zone uh for this property it's one of the general uh zoning Provisions elsewhere in the ordinance correct that that's correct but I I believe this particular one was in the Redevelopment ordinance uh for the maintenance building I think they did include that uh in that one one element Graham could probably correct me on that one I don't I don't remember I think it was right in the Redevelopment ordinance it wasn't part of that accessory uh W with respect to the playground uh in the the the general provision ordinance the 17087 E that set pack also the the ordinance refers to accessory building corre in the setback correct that is correct in this playground there's no necessarily building being proposed it's just your typical blade playground equipment correct that is correct okay um as I stated earlier um we we have uh engineering's review memo and we will be complying with all of all of the elements within that memorandum um also as part of the design and and the recommendation uh from the staff and through our TRC meetings we've also provided a crosswalk on D um so that tenants of the building we've provided uh AC uh sidewalks and appropriate crosswalks and Ada accessible route from the building so that they could then uh get to the shopping center that's located further to the east so we have provided that uh in the design and as you can see in this particular image uh the conversation we had earlier about the cut through you can see how easily uh tenants from both buildings could drive out to David Avenue and utilize the uh access and uh let me just go to um she um I I I want to do this because I know how important it it really is um and here you go you see you see the full access here you can see the Walnut Street intersection you could see the the traffic patterns and the striping and and directional arrows in that uh dve Avenue Jug Handle so that would easily allow motorists coming from the developments to utilize that Jug Handle to gain access to the traffic light to make safe and and efficient movements to the east without having to travel uh in different directions around the area to to get to be able to go East safely so I I know that was an important element to consider um I may have missed something so if I have just ask me the question and I'll see if I can answer it I have one quick one that I forgot to ask before so it's only in the 55 and over the Western building that you have you don't have the overhang that you need the parking space correct how wide is the drive ISS in that garage 2 4 ft okay thanks I'm the low and moderate income component of this building um is also 20% that's correct there also going to be inclusionary that is correct okay so all be on they're mixed throughout the building okay is there a limited or controlled access to this site no go ahead Le couple of questions uh the 31 parking spaces that face the building they overhang onto a six foot wide sidewalk that's correct so they'll be two foot onto the sidewalk there'll be a 4 foot sidewalk left that's adequate that that's correct okay mhm the maintenance building is it going to be a roll up door her yes okay so there won't be any issues with equipment in I guess the 10-ft setback might have been for I don't know taking the lawn mower out and having a place to maneuver or something like that why we put that in the ordance when drafted so explain now the the parking shortage in the surface lot anybody extra would park across in the garage so you would assign tenants to the garage or how would you do it I we we haven't really discuss but most likely that would make sense okay and then leave a half a space for for visitors on the surface lot right the loading the pulloff area can we make it such that they always have to come from microad so that they're on the right side of the road they pull over we could we could sign it sure we could sign I want facing the wrong way and all that uh uh the overhang shortage technically I hate to say it like this but the it's up to 10% credit for the EV so really you got round the 30 point something down to 30 if you round up to 31 you're technically 10 point whatever perc as opposed to just up to 10% again it's only one space I don't think you need the number but I think at least that's the way I interpret it okay that's it for me than Mr want okay go okay hi uh just a few questions one um the secondary trash room that's not adjacent to the loaning space will um carts be like transported exterior like along the sidewalk up on collection day that's correct remember that okay um and then second uh the freestanding lights that are proposed are are there also some what are the heights of those as proposed and what are those located also adjacent to the building on the Eastern side in the parking lot say say that again the freestanding light light poles in the parking lot yes uh there's there's a couple depicted I don't know if they're free standing light poles on the Eastern facade of the building go to the lighting plan oh thank you that might be easier we get there let's see okay get there there we go there it is one more there we go okay so you're referring to to the I guess it's the I think it's the Eastern facade so the bottom of this yeah we're getting there there we go yeah the so there's a series of Lights along the back yes so are those pole mounted fixt those are all pole those are all pole mounted fixtures uh along the sidewalk I think they have a good pedestrian scale um I I thought in your memo you were talking about maybe using lower lower Heights we did look at that and it created a whole series of hot spots so we feel that this design is is the most efficient it gives us a nice uniformity of of cover with regard to the light fixtures okay and those fixtures as proposed will those be full cut off fixtures to at least full cut off LED fixtures very energy efficient yes um and then for the amenity spaces and this is really applicable I guess to both properties would there be any reduction in lighting or you know turning things off you know when those those bases are closed or just just a yes yeah they there could be they could be well controlled that's the beauty of the LED fixtures you can reduce their levels down to 20% or 30% whatever might be appropriate and I'm sure the management team will figure that out and we'll reduce it appropriately it's not going to be on all night long uh Illuminating Route 10 sure okay thank you you're welcome um there had been some discussion with regard to generators and I know at the last track meeting we had discussed or the fire department had asked that uh facility generators be provided for each building has that been done and if so where are they going to be um we have provided generators for the building to uh operate uh certain elements I should probably go to a different drawing but um let me see if it's right here I believe it's right here there's a generator proposed right by the electric room by the trash room this is on the north side of uh lot 16 on lot two it's again on the north side of the building just off the main entrance okay is that showing on the plane yeah right here this genen is the generator here and that would operate the doors and I believe the elevator one yeah the elevator emergency lighting right emergency lighting things of that in the garage and correct okay um and those are going to be um Ballard around the generators what is the source of fuel for them that those would be natural gas natural gas okay but are they going to be protected by ballards and all so um I I don't currently show that but they would be um we have Ballard around the Transformers for example so I imagine we would do that appropriately okay let me go back to there you go that looks better but you can see the generator here and on the um other the generator sits right here on right behind the Transformer you see it right here got it right there okay one more question yeah Mike on the parking lot the northern section where it's depressed curb yes are you going to control cars from not bumping into each other it's going to be vegetated it's it's a bio swell that we're going to use we're going to have like hedges in there oh okay and growth so so the storm water sheet flows into it all right okay thanks Mr wam your your your memo uh from September 13th made reference to a number of conditions that were in our planers report uh were there any objections to any of those conditions I don't remember what I said in my I'd have the there were there were 10 of them I have uh September 13th yeah which which uh which page um I have to go back to what I I just have it in my notes okay um so we have uh topologies memo of September 9th 2024 variance and design waiver discussion there whole series of of conditions that were recommended there yeah um I believe that we had indicated um well we had raised some question uh initially in their review they were citing the Transformers as needing as being accessory structures needing variance relief turns out that's not the case uh has been the determination that that is not uh uh the situation um and that that was actually item uh 2 three and four I believe yeah know let let me see if I can I can find it there were 10 items as suggested conditions of approval are you saying it was in Mr Lama's letter or was it in topology I think Mr Mr Graham's uh G you refer into in your in your memo no we were we were basically just reciting um when we when we draft these memos what we'll often do is uh retype the comment that was made by the professional whether it's the planner or the engineer and then give a response so item G in Mr ped's uh initial memo uh recommended conditions of approval and um I don't know if we've reviewed these Craig just has noted the conditions and the applicant will be happy to discuss them at the hearing right right yes on on page 13 y I got it I'm with you 13 and 14 of the memo 13 and 14 of your memo September our September 13th memo can I pull that up I I I don't see anything in here that's unusual um the only thing um I I would say we are not uh willing to do we're not well it's not that we're not willing to do it we don't want to deal with the do and that's putting a bus shelter uh at the bus stop over at the intersection of microlab and um rout 10 we provided uh an increased um uh sidewalk area and a and a bench but if we have to put a shelter in there number seven that's that's number seven yes so we would not be willing to do that okay yeah and these are uh I think on page 15 of the planner the planning report number two uh and I think everything else either has been done or will be done okay great thank you I'm sorry I do have two more so uh ATT turning template for that lifetime uh ACC LIF toown access um you talk a little bit about what's going to what that's yeah we I think we had that at the at the the last I don't know if I have that it's not this set maybe just talk about I have that in my set here did you did you talk to liown and they're like yeah this is fine angle yeah yeah we we did do an analysis uh lee with with uh zman and uh it it looks like it works perfectly well for them the other thing was traffic calming along the main aisle to go from Davin to micro laab to get to the garage you consider anything in there as far as any kind of traffic humming um like little rumble strips paint it rumble strips well rumbled speed hump I don't know raised something or other crosswalk between the two sides of the parking lot or or something I I guess that's something that we can do we can certainly look into it and see what makes sense make that a condition later or it depends on how much time we get if we don't get through this maybe they come back with some ideas okay that could that could be a condition that you and I can work out or Gary and you could work out and uh real quick just as I was looking at those one of those referenc a crosswalk connecting the two um it references the entrances but it appears it's been moved further north is that where that correct okay makes sense um did you want to discuss phasing on how this project is going to go and specifically okay the the situation with regard to Demolition and then construction um this board and this municipality has seen that happen and I for one don't want to see it happen again so I want toag when they're going to start the job is it going to continue and not end up with a pile of dirt I I think I can safely say without a doubt that my clients are very eager to start and once they begin they will we keep working until it's done um we we have secured SE D certification uh for lot two I believe we're waiting for lot 16 um we are hoping to do demolition before the end of the year for tax purposes obviously um and then um once we get our all our approvals and resolution compliance we hope to start putting buildings in the ground so you going to do them both I I don't think do both at the same time I'm seeing my clients are shaking their heads yes my clients are shaking their head yes cuz you know the sites really lend themselves to this type of construction you have vast paved areas that already exist on the site that you can keep in place as a staging area While You're Building these structures so it I think it'll work very well okay so then basically we're talking about both happening at about the same time that's correct okay there any other questions from the board or our professionals any questions from members of the public for this witness as to this witness's testimony Peter shaking his head [Laughter] no uh thank you great before you move on I just know that from engineering there's I mean the most recent memo had I mean a number of items not satisfied or not completed or not dealt with Rocco are you from an engineering standpoint satisfied that the plans have on it Andor the testimony that we've heard this evening covers all of the issues that you had outlined in your report yeah I think um like Mike said there was a couple items in our report that have to be addressed the only items I would bring up is that um you know you deal with M McDonald with sewer consultant comments related to the tww and bwsc perit something that we have to do as part of resolution compliance and one other item obviously is the Water and Sewer Department Township Water and Sewer Department further comments they have as it relates to you know Main tie-ins and Val we'll work with Nathan and make sure that everything is done whatever he requires will do I thought the testimony was you comply with whatever the engineering requirements were and also the that's correct McDonald that's correct good other than that I have no other thank you thank you thanks Mr uh at this point we like to call uh our landscape architect Tom Bower hi you swear the testimony given this matter would be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes I do give us your full name and spell it for the record my full name is Thomas Bower b r a president of uh The Firm Millo Bower Carmen Landscape Architects we're based in Bell New Jersey and Jersey City New Jersey I'm licensed in New Jersey and several other states my license is current um and I'd be happy to answer any other questions about my experience if you'd like and have you been accepted by uh other board throughout the state of New Jersey as an expert yes I have many point I don't believe I've been to Livingston in the past but I have been to many other municipalities in the state yes and as that the board accept uh Mr B as a landscape or an expert in the field of landscape architecture uh any questions from the board and the board accepts he as an expert arure so Mr Bower you or someone under your direction prepared um kind of visual uh exhibits uh to kind of demonstrate visually what's being proposed both from a a landscaping perspective as well as the uh the various um view shed with respect to the project if you can just kind of walk through what's been presented to the board obviously if there's anything new we'll have that marked as an exhibit um but just kind of discussing in particularly the amenity areas and the landscaping and an amenities being proposed certainly if I can find my exhibits here I will begin I don't know where they are um can you help Mike yeah yeah I thought up next oh okay sorry about that folks your uh stuff here m&b docks which one do you want you want the uh not the submission set you want your graphics the graphics yes please there you go back to the beginning to the beginning oh yeah there you go that's start okay that's good that's good that's good and Mr bar just be sure to uh speak close to the microphone so they can pick you up closer yes how's that pick it up very good okay thank you Mike's done a great job folks uh orienting you toward the toward the site plan uh what I would like to do is give you a little bit of a visual tour if I may uh some rendered uh Graphics as we've seen a track and in the past uh was was this submitted with the these were not submitted these were not these images were not submitted these are rendered uh images rendered perspectives of the landscape plans these would be A3 I again we'll call the package A3 A3 okay what do we want to what do we want to call that rendered rendered uh perspective Graphics okay yes okay and what I'd like to do is cover I'll cover the streetscape initially again tied into what Mike has expressed you understand the land plan now we'll talk about the streetscape of Route 10 uh what we envision along Route 10 and and along microlab road then I'll talk about the amenity spaces uh that that we have and we have three as Mike indicated we have the amenity spaces uh between Route 10 and the buildings we have an amenity space of the the pool call the pool Courtyard and then we have rooftop amenity spaces as well as a bonus to our resident so I'll walk through those those with you this first image how many images are in this package there are actually 21 images sir yeah and I will go through them quickly for you I think you've seen some of them previously uh this first image is you want to Mark these ABC Etc um are they are the pages labeled the pages are labeled yes let me if I can they are labeled it's not on the screen not no it's not let me see how do I raise Mike how do I raise the image here to show you the the uh can I do that no that's not working somehow it's not fix we'll take your word that they're labeled okay take bottom right brilliant high-tech opportunity yes so our first image building uh one and two this a view looking down microlab Road uh where I'm on Route 10 looking down we can see building one to the left that's our age restricted building and building two to the right is our Market building you can see there's Mike referenced the screen wall uh and you can get a feel a little bit of a feel for it as we enter so there will be signage it says Lana I'm sorry you're going so fast and I can't even I'm too fast I will slow down and I will speak closer to the mic I can't figure it out no that's fine two two entry walls the screen wall is on both sides of the project and the graphic will say Lana at Livingston um and that is a screen wall that will be continuous to create an entrance image along Route 10 a little bit of a closer look at building one uh to the left hand side as you can see the screen wall is set back from the curb line as Mike indicated I think he said about 181 19 fet uh that will be a continuous screen wall Some solid masonry wall that is compatible with the Building architecture you're going to hear more about the building from loots after I'm done there will also be some openings as was requested we have some metal screening that provides some openness so you views in and out of the of the amenity space there's Lush landscape along the entire area uh this is view 2 that I'm referring to it's important to indicate that I think that there are mature trees that exist along Route 10 that we will be maintaining and preserving uh again for the aesthetic benefit there's extensive Landscaping within that area uh not only sold or maintain lawn but there is series of ground cover Shrubbery some green material as well and some additional deciduous trees along the streetcape so the view along Route 10 will be very impressive we feel and create a great entrance image or uh image for for Lana this is the area at at microlab Road Mike indicated the that the two entrance areas are are identical you can see the drive-thru the little Loop drop off area several parking spaces uh as we approach the lobby closer to the entry door the lobby there's a little bit of a seating area outside for the residents and their guests to sit and and commiserate uh it's well landscaped and provides a very nice attractive entrance image at both lobbies inside the area in the u-shaped Courtyard that Mike indicated uh we have several things happening obviously in the foreground is a pool uh that's furthest away from the lobby which is in a distance uh it will be open three months of the year as typically in our uh in our environment uh beyond that we have uh there's another shot of the pool in view s uh you see plenty of lounge chairs umbrellas Furnishings ample landscape a great uh amenity space not only for the use of the residents but also for the for the views from the uh residential units above and their balconies looking down closer to the lobby is what we refer to as a as a Four Season area it's usable all year long obviously the pool area is closed for 9 months of the year but this area is utilized for the entire season so in here we have a what we call a feature wall it's a two-sided area on this side which is toward the pool you can see there's a bar there's some barbecue grills dining tables as well as a shade trellis and on the other side is a fireplace with a television uh shade trellis as well and more furnishings and site features for residents to relax and enjoy the outof Dooors that's a year round basis the amenity area outside building one again this is view 10 uh we talked about the two pickle ball courts there's court side seating in the center uh which is trellis covered as Mike indicated there is also a a dog run in the in the distance as you can see and then there's a guard some community garden opportunity for the residents uh and a small garden shelter as as well in beyond the on the other side of that Garden shelter is a lawn area for for use of the residents to relax and potentially expand the community garden opportunities there are two trellises as was previously testified to as well for shade and for outdoor seating and general uh site circulation we're Jumping Up on the Rooftop of of building one here this is view2 again there's another similar to what we did in the pool area there is a wall That's two-sided with a shade trellis on one side we have gaming tables pool Andor ping pong ample seating for the residents it's well landscaped and on the other side there are some barbecue girls as well so we have several opportunities for for residents to enjoy the out ofd doors uh in all of these areas and and obviously these are well landscaped as well Up on the Rooftop and from here we have great views of around different aspects of Livingston be clear that it's a billy yours there's no swimming pool up top there is no swimming pool pool table yes that's a pool table not a swimming pool just one pool so we're looking at building two now this is similar to what was building one again at microlab Road this is our screen wall which is continuous along Route 10 as well and we have some copy that says leavon at Livingston let me go back here because I want to point out that in this area of of the site there are some existing mature evergreen trees that we will make every effort to maintain and utilize within that area which is actually you'll see it's going to be a dog park but uh this is a little bit further down Route 10 you can see the detention Basin the bio retention Basin that Mike described and it is fenced uh as as we discussed earlier it is well landscaped and you can see again preservation of some of the mature trees that are along Route 10 and the continuation of the of the screen wall so again well landscaped very aesthetic the the the drive along Route 10 we feel will be very very attractive aesthetically pleasing and a and a great Improvement to Lana as you can see here again you get a feel for some of the solid masonry wall compatible with the architecture and then some of the openings within the wall as well inside a little bit of a bird's eye view of the indoor area uh we have the playground on the one end in the center of the site is a lawn area uh there is a a a uh wall with a a video screen on it the lawn will serve as a as a movie movie lawn if you will any the evening if residents want to watch a film uh there's a a green roof covered dining area uh opposite that wall and then in the far distance is the dog run uh which is shaded by some of the existing evergreen trees uh so a great great outdoor amenity space for the residents a little bit more of a view here you can get a better feel for the the the wall with the video screen on it and some of the residents watching a a film dog run uh in the in the foreground here and again some of the existing mature evergreen trees that we will intend to preserve and this final slide I think it's final v20 is uh is the outdoor dining area uh on the back of the area Beyond this is the the lawn and the video screen uh again well landscaped in addition to the mature trees that we're preserving there's ample new landscape our pallet of materials extensive between deciduous trees evergreen uh ample shrubs and ground cover as well as perennials ornamental grasses and the like so uh we think it'll be a terrific landscape and a wonderful amenity for for the residents of Lavana that is my final slide and as I men questions if you have any yep and we have our architect coming up next to talk more about the building itself and the materials and the look and the design we wanted to provide a little more visual yeah no and I I think it looks great I had one quick one on one of your earlier ones there's two like small uh Islands on of the two circuit entrances and I think the one showed a tree yes um just wanted to make sure what kind of tree in terms of the because we talked earlier about the sight line when you're pulling out yeah Tre be high enough canopy that it's not going to it would be a high canopy yes mature High canopy shade tree minimum six and a half ft to the lowest yes yes so ample sight distance for sure yes is there rooftop amenities on both buildings there are there are there are both and I should point out too that there is a requirement for a limit on square footage that we are complying with there's a maximum of 4,000 and or 10% of the maximum rooftop so it's actually limited which I was surprised to see because usually boards are asking for more and you're limiting us so but we're happy to comply with that okay yes you beat me to my next question thank you got it I knew where you were going yeah any other questions from the board from our professionals any questions from the public as to this wit this witness as to his testimony seeing none that's too easy okay thank you very much thank you at this point I'd like to call actually one quick question well that's not you it's going to be you're the landscaped architect yes right do you do you need a break minutes we're going to take five minutes e e e e e e e e e e e we traded all right we're ready to uh restart the entire board is back as are uh the applicants great at this time I'd like to call our architect uh L delmare Rosado hi raise your right hand you swear the testimony given this matter will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I give us your full name and spell for the record my name is l Delmar Rosado r o s a doo thank you okay um I'm an associate principal our design our Architecture Firm in VI Virginia um I've been with the company for about 10 years and practice architecture for about 25 years um I'm licensed in the state of New Jersey and I been accepted as witness um an expert for architect in the architecture field in New Jersey V4 and you were previously accepted by this board uh on the last application involving the lifetown property correct I'd ask the board accept Miss Rosado as a expert in the field of architecture any questions from the board uh the board accepts you as an expert in field of architecture and again Mr Rado if you just uh using the plans that were submitted to the board um walk through kind of the two buildings and describe uh obviously the floor planner layout as well as the look at the buildings and if you ever going to use the an exhibit we'll have that marked and and address it at that time the first exhibit I have in the screen was part of the application is a ground floor plan that shows both buildings building one and building two and it's page a03 and using this uh what you have up on the screen if you can describe quickly the uh kind of the floor plan the number of units uh in particular as well as a market rate units and the affordable units yes so I will try not to D duplicate testimony that's already been provided um as you know on the left it's a building number one is the AG restricted building um it's got 120 units 96 of them will be market rate and 24 of them will be affordable units and building on the right side will be um building number two 160 units um it's got 120 market rate units and 32 affordable units uh both buildings comply with the total uh required affordable units but in addition to that they will also comply with the mix requirement and unit features um of their regulations so they're going to comply with the bedroom distribution requirements for the affordable units correct um in terms of the design of the uh affordable units and the market rate units both of them will have identical finishes quality of construction um they will have the same uh appliances and features of the units um both of them will be distributed through the plan um and on each level so when you see them side by side you're not going to be able to distinguish what unit is Affordable unit versus market rate units visually uh the only difference that it will have between them is square footage um when you combine the both buildings average square footage of the market rate unit is about um 1,70 square feet on a square footage of an affordable unit is going to range around 940 uh Square ft so that will be the only different the rest is going to be the same quality okay um some of the items um there were a couple questions that came um before uh regarding the buildings uh in terms of sprinklers um both buildings and the parking garage are going to be fully Sprinklers and every stair in the project is going to have stand pipes um we met with the fire shift and we described the uh design strategy of the buildings he made some recommendations we addressed those recommendations um through these revised drawings and uh that that will Implement those um changes that we discuss um then in terms of the organization of the building and interior spaces since Mike went through the exterior of the building I'll run by that quickly um he already described that the building is going to be secure and have a control access um once you enter the building you will be and I'm going to zoom in in the pink area you'll be directly entering to the uh amenity areas we designed both buildings to be compatible with each other so the design strategies that we use for one building are going to be similar uh on the second building um in terms when you enter the building in the center you have the amenities that are centralized in the floor plan area for convenience each building is going to have its own amenic program separate from each other and they're going to range about 9,000 square fet um for each one um and so that's a pretty good size amenity for each building um is going to have um programmatically there's going to be rooms that are typical of a luxury type of multif family buildings such as Fitness room co-work space um Club room areas leasing leasing mail room package room and that sort of amenities um both buildings will have a height double space area with a second floor balcony that's going to be overlooking into the amenities and it's going to be facing directly to the courtyards and that's going to be located right here where my cursor is uh in both buildings okay um there's also going to be a pet spa in both buildings and we are going to have bike storage room in both buildings um once you once you pass the amenities um tenants can then access the upper floors via elevators there's three elevators on each building and they're distributed in the plan uh for convenience on building number one you have uh two elevators on the south one elevator on the north um adjacent to the parking garage and the same strategy on building number two where you have uh elevators and delocation on the south and one on the north um then the units are there's some ground Flor units and then when you go on the upper floors it's going to be a typical floor where you have units um in in that in those levels um there was a comment regarding noise coming from amenities and the ground floor units um as a landscape architect described there's going to be um landscape throughout the adjacent to the building that's going to provide some buffer um there's going also going to be patios in front of the ground floor units that's going to provide some distance to those amenities and in addition there's going to be quiet hours in this building um then that's going to help um however these are ground Flo units typical condition of a multif family building um that you see in other developments um so we didn't see no issue with that um question um on the second floor once you go to the second floor I typical you have the this is sheet A5 of your set yes sheet a uh page A5 uh residential floor plan R three typical residential floor um and one what I want to um note in this plan is that every unit both affordables and market rate units will have balconies so that's one of the feature that is going to be uh provided in both unit types well will the leases have restrictions on what what will there be restrictions on what can go on the balconies what what what the Yeah yeah yes what what what exactly that is I'd have to check with the client but there will be restrictions on that okay um there was access from the garage levels on each floor so each level the garage will directly um connect to the residential level on building one then as we move up this is Page a07 roof plan this was also provided in the application uh and this shows the roof plan and Terrace um this floor is going to be accessed by the two elevators and there's going to be an elevator Lobby uh for tenants to use and for ESS and Access Fire Department there's going to be two stairs located at opposite side of buildings um that are located here one of them and the other one here for building one and for building two um you can see the stair here and here okay now this building also has Lofts so it's four stories with Lofts that are compliant with the regulation and Building height now I'll move to architecture you see uh the Beautiful renderings the landscape architect show so I will only show one um what we and then down here here on the floor I do have a material board that's the new exhibit mark this a four it's a uh maybe you can hold it up L the uh material Board of the materials being proposed for the building and lab as1 maybe you want to you could pass it around and then you could provide testimony uh as to the exhibit of what's being proposed uh from material and and look standpoint so they're heavy yeah so um Des sign wise um again our strategy is to have two buildings that are compatible with each other um and they mirror each other so symmetry was important to us uh color was important to us um we want to keep it simple elegant light and warm um we selected a brick that has texture and color range um that we are proposing to use as the base and um you know coming up to the second sometimes the third floor of building um and a combination of fiber cement sighting and panels um of two tones a light color and a beige color uh on the upper floors to provide variety yeah thank you are you able maybe to zoom in on a16 to kind of see that uh change there we go okay um so this is a view for building two at the entrance if you see the brick uh comes all the way up to the third floor here as the two porches of the buildings come out and then on on the upper part of the building we're showing a Fiers SM sighting of two tones um a light color um white and a beige color here and that will provide uh a variety in textures and colors um we are proposing a heavy trim at the cornice so just give articulation um and but again we were looking for a palette that was light uh but also had texture to keep a elegant design and simple um and then um our design strategy to provide contrast is to bring a bronze color around the window um the window um frame um the balcony railings and the canopy entrance of the building so that will be a highlight and an accent of a darker tone for contrast um and uh another design um item that we think is important is that we wanted to use large windows for the units to bring a lot of light into the units and that's what you can see uh in the perspective friender here here um a large window sizes okay um all like I mentioned before all units have balconies so that adds articulation and depth into the building brings Shadows provides recess just to add variety into the massing and those are design techniques that we use in this building and on building one to um you know give interest in and have an elegant design okay are you using e-l in the windows yes um we we are using low E-class on the windows and we're also using other sustainable design measures and strategies in this building as a matter of fact I'll just mention them right now um the building is going to be a smoke free building I I'll mention a few um they will have energy star appliances um low flow plumbing and water sense life fixtures low E Windows like I mention we know we have elect electric vehicle charging stations energy efficient mechanical systems we will have recycling uh in the building and uh also paints an adhesive adhesives will have uh low boc's can you just point to your board what the brick is that's going to be on the wall along the rout 10 side this is this is the brick um that I believe is going to be also be used on along the wall side I know know there's two colors of brick that are going to be used on that wall I'll defer to landscape architect to describe um the materials for that feure could you pass that back again so sure is this what she said so this is what the this is the brick wall along the front on Route 10 that's not that's the material but not the color necessarily correct right not the color you don't want a gray well you could you could ask there going to be a combination of a lot of things yeah talking about porous and something that's yeah you have any concern as to the paracity of the brick that you're going to be using in creating a problem with I mean you're going to have sprinklers out there against it and splash up and and the that wall getting badly stained and not looking good in a short period of time because that brick that I'm looking at on your sample board looks like it's going to soak up anything that gets on it are you speaking of the wall long road 10 yes I will defer to the landscape architect the landscape the the material board is for the building it's not for the wall it'll be a uh oh that's not the the yeah that's not for the wall that's for the building okay so then that's not what yeah we can have uh do you have a samp yeah we have Mr we don't have a sample but Mr bar can describe uh the brick being used for the the wall along rout tent is it on yes speak slowly yeah honestly my thinking was that we would be using the same brick the two colors the darker at the bottom of the wall and a lighter brick at the top but I don't I'm not familiar with the paracity of the brick I loose can you comp comment on that did you see the sample board I saw it earlier yes yes yes briefly yeah but I'm not sure the proy uh if there was concern about irrigation hitting the wall I mean my concern in looking at that material is that it's going to get stained and not look very being kind it's going to not look good in a very short period of time and that's the main face of what we as Citizens look at going up and down Route 10 well we want that wall to look terrific um yeah that's important to us for the whole image of the of the project for that so we should I raised the question and I'm not a professional and I'm not a Mason but I think you need to look at what you're using on that wall and ensure that it's going to be something that's going to hold up over time we we will certainly do that I just want to make sure that it's comp that whatever we select for that wall is certainly complimentary to the building yes and and one of the things I wanted to point out is hard to um visualize with three pieces of brick how the building is going to look um this particular brick I I I don't know the technical aspect of the brick um but what I can tell you it's got a lot of range and color when you see a bigger um larger area of that brick you're going to see a variety of tones and also texture so it's not like when you have the flat or smooth brick you know it may attract more more U you know in my opinion maybe dirt or you know be more visual um for items but this particular brick will have texture tones and color variety that probably is not being represented on the trees bricks that you're seeing here uh also the color of the grout um will be important and that's going to add to the richness of the color of the brick in my opinion I think thank you for the explanation I still have a lot of concern based on the material I'm seeing but it's not about the color of the brick it's about the the composition that it's going that the water and the rain and the sprinklers Sprinklers and the salt and everything else is going to destroy the appearance of the facade because it's going to soak it up that's it's the process it has to do with the density of the brick correct I think that's the concern yeah is it correct the concern is it's resistant to staining or deterioration I mean again I use the term paracity but it's it's the what I'm looking at in that material and I have no idea how that material is treated but it appears that it would soak up whatever gets on it like a sponge that's what I mean by paracity that it's going to very quickly change the color that you think is going to be out there now is not going to be there in a short period of time unless that material is very different from what it appears and again I don't I don't know any specifications or anything but it's a very important front for us on Route 10 no question and we spent a lot of time talking about it and the separations and the openings and and clearly don't want that to be diminished because the material on there is going to get not mold but whatever is growing there is going to we will be sure to select and specify a brick that will not stain okay and perhaps we can whatever may turn out to be that maybe engineering will have an opportunity to review what the final brick will be to some satisfaction that will have a a a sense of Comfort we could agree to that we'll be sure yes because I know you know I know you've heard the concern of the board you know even at the track meetings when it when when the wall was just one solid wall and um you know the the concerns that the board had about that and you know you were all very good in in Trying to minimize that I think it's just going forward still having a wall there yeah uh but having something that over that may look great for a year or two but then you know in year five 6 8 10 you know just you know has has you know taken on a patina that you know may not be that attractive yes I understand the concern and we will address it yes we'll select the proper material thank you and from a landscape perspective the worst it should ever look is the day it's done it should only mature and get better over time thank you you're welcome we have nothing further direct from the architect and lers any more questions from the board any any other questions from members of the board yeah I a question I don't know do you have um your actual landscape plans up there or access to them uh sheet A7 specifically landscape plan I'm sorry no the architectural sheet a A7 it's the rooftop that shows the uh W units uh yeah go up keep going up right there so where you all the Loft units are those Lofts going to be where they will have direct access to the roof from those apartments no there would not be direct so what are the little like boxed white areas there's the kind of the Shaded area that I assume is the apartment but then within the uh border or the there's like little white areas what are those supposed to be are those like patios or something here uh this is what what you see below in here if you zoom in on like one of those Loft units there's there's a you know a rectangle some of which is shaded kind of tan which I assume is the unit then there's like a white section right right there yeah like what's that yes that is just a box out area um just to you know give shape into the it's not access patio or okay thanks do you have a you have a break an overall breakdown of one two and three bedrooms for all of this we do [Applause] after for building one 96 market rate units 13 are one bedrooms 27 are one bedroom dens 36 are two bedrooms 20 are two bedroom dens and then for the affordable units seven are one bedrooms and there are 24 seven of which are one bedrooms 17 are two bedrooms that's building one they is restricted and building two for the 160 unit 120 market rate units 37 are one bedroom 18 are one bedroom Den 62 are two bedrooms 11 are two-bedroom DS and for the 32 affordable units six are one bedrooms 19 are two bedrooms and seven R three bedrooms thank you just clarification again uh with regard to the the units that are dens or lofs they're going to be designed so that they cannot be made into bedrooms legal bedrooms correct okay and they will follow the regulation for dents will will the dents have um closets in them or doors they will not have closets in them and they will be open to the space next to it to comply with the regulations thank you gu I don't know the answer to this question is there a restriction on the age restricted that goes with the land or like so that the 120 units are always age restricted yeah the one building under Fair Housing well yeah oh yeah so the the building uh as part of the zoning is required to be age restricted uh for the one p because each building actually has its own Zone one age restricted Zone one's um uh a nonage restricted Zone there any members of the public uh that have questions as uh of this witness as to her testimony you I'm done are you so I didn't see I so didn't see the green light on until now you were talking I wanted to let you go sorry um from a emergency access roof access um there's going to be I believe but I just want to confirm um access to all roof areas via regular stairs yes there's there's going to be ESS from the roof through two stairs for emergency access okay um and uh for access to the roof there will be two elevators that will go up to that roof Terrace right that's to the amenity areas but is the amenity area is the only roof that's of is the only roof area there's nothing there's no mechanical equipment on any of the roofs there is mechanic there will be mechanical equipment in the roof you see in typical multif buildings and that's readily accessible through the same stairs because you're not going to use an elevator in the event of a fire how would they access that area of the roof that where the mechanical maintenance so the general public is not going to be accessing the mechanical units for maintenance Personnel will access his mechanical units when needed okay and then they will they will access the unit and do the maintenance and then it will you know come back through the um Terrace area or access the stairs of the building okay thank you your question was about hatches right we don't want any hatches to get to the roof it has to be stairs is that what you're again I during the the track meetings it it I'm recalling that we discussed and that the fire department made the request that or asked the access to all of the roof areas and it was indicated that they were all being done by stairs not a hatch or a or a hatchway just confirming that that's the case yes that is the case there two stairs that will access the roof for both buildings one more question did did you go over the air conditioning units and Heating units I don't remember is it each unit has their own are there things on the roof for the hallways how how is air conditioning and eating being taken care of do you know yet um there there will be individual mechanical units in each unit uh in each residential units there will also be some equipment typical multif family building in the roof for the minity areas and uh you know supplemental spaces just wanted to confirm the proposed I know there is some mechanical mechanical equipment proposed to be on the rooftop will that be effectively screened from you know View for the rooftop amenity area and also View From Below as well yes there is there will be from below there will be a screen Via Way of parapets they're also going to be centrally located towards center of the building um and there are features in the landscape design that have a screening um that that if you need more details we can Tom can describe what those are yeah I was specifically talking about the rooftop equipment so um the ones on up on the roof um and I think just circling back to the the access comment the the fire access for code compliances no more than I believe it's 100 feet I may be incorrect but as far as the the roof egress to the stairs to get off the roof I think was a 100 linear feet or something and the plant to comply with that correct the the distance between stairs is going to be compliant um with applicable building codes um again we also dis discuss this with the fire marshall okay very good thank you yeah just a little confusion so on your floor plan and it makes no difference if you at a one bedroom in your mechanical rooms you have a designation of wh I'm assuming that's a water heater yes yes correct in the units yeah okay and EVR it's a new term for me what is that oh EVR it's um a way of I I'm I would defer to a medical mechanical engineer uh to describe but I believe is it's related to the exhaust um of the unit and and ventilation for various uh equipment off the units so that's the is that's the mechanical heating and cooling um no it's part it's it's part of it and it's to bring fresh air and exhaust air into the units okay so it's a fresh air exchange cover ventilator uses an exchanger to purify and dehumidify Air in the building learn something new every day didn't IGN to die any other questions uh questions for members of the public [Laughter] Richard we're we're good thank you thank you then uh or l our last witness is uh our traffic engineer Gary Dean my name is Gary Dean de N I am I think did we get swor already it's been a long night you you swear to test about to give this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes I do thank you again Gary Dean a principal with Dolan and Dean Consulting Engineers of Somerville New Jersey um by way of background I'm a licensed uh professional engineer in New Jersey and a civil engineering graduate of Lehigh University and I've uh been actively practicing traffic engineering and Municipal Consulting for the past 40 years I believe my last appearance before this board was for the Forge Hill uh senior community by Premier development maybe two years or so ago um and prior to that was lightbridge Academy Starbucks among other uses uh my license is current and remains in good standing for this application prior to even getting to the site plan any question see if like Mr Dean accepted as an expert in the field of traffic engineering and uh the boards accept you as an expert in traffic engineering thank you thank you Mr chairman um we had outlined I would say the significant merits of uh the proposal you have before you which constitutes a Redevelopment of of the commercial property principally the Westminster Hotel an office building a bank and a restaurant uh the benefit of this Redevelopment is to substantially reduce traffic to about a third of what it historically has been uh and part of that is born from the inclusion iuson of senior housing and with senior housing uh by and large those residents do not exhibit the same commuting patterns uh that I'd say normally occurs with multif family housing uh with a concentration of traffic at rush hours um and with that um we have prepared a traffic study dated May 9th of this year uh it is for uh 550 and 570 Mount Pleasant Avenue prepared uh by our office um and unless the board has some uh specific concerns or interest in traffic volumes I I just will submit that the report sets forth the standard content of a traffic impact study that includes counts that we did along Route 10 Davin microl laab and that includes a projection of traffic associated with the community um as I've indicated the most compelling part with 120 senior units uh is that they generate very low traffic impacts at peak hours principally you know for individuals who are retired or partially retired um you know I I I asked the question somewhere rhetorically why on Earth would you go out at 7:30 in the morning generally you wouldn't if you know you have that uh capability in your personal schedule you know we leave after rush hour um for the multi family units at 160 um and I'll focus on that that generates about one car a minute it's it's not a high volume and part of that is not everyone leaves at once and certainly what we've seen since Co particularly for younger residents they all figured out how to work remotely why get in a car and commute when you know this device Conn accs us to the world and by zoom and all of the other platforms people can still work many of the amenities in newer buildings such as this have uh I forget the technical term but workpace separate and apart from the unit just so that the resident can not feel like they're working out of their apartment but can go to the amenity space and use a cubicle or a work space um that allows them privacy for conferencing and things such as that so that tends to keep the traffic suppressed in terms of what we saw 20 30 40 years ago uh one of the other benefits of the site is somewhat reversed in that although the property sits on New Jersey Route 10 and there are driveways to Route 10 the the entire project has been designed to internalize and not create uh new points of conflict on Route 10 and in fact driveways will be eliminated that all of the access will be via um Davin and microlab as featured on the plan just today we and yesterday we submitted our application to NJ doot to close those driveways that application was deemed complete by do and we expect to have our permit uh knock wood within say 45 days or so so that process has started um the application to do does also include and I don't know that I'll be able to find it on this plan properly um But it includes at the request of your fire department an emergency only access on the Westerly side of the senior building that would allow perimeter access to that side of the building and that has been included with our do application um in terms of impact what what do this project do to traffic conditions and the like um because it is a reduction in traffic it is just that it suppresses or reduces the impacts from what have historically been generated but I'm very pleased to say and our traffic study sets forth all of the sort of Technical and supporting documentation that the Ingress and egress to the to the site itself um to Davin Avenue and to microlab will all work at very favorable levels of service I'm I'm sure you've heard traffic engineering testimony but level of service is a descriptive term we use to basically rate or gauge intersection operations and we are projecting uh very favorable levels of Service A and B during both peak hours we recognize that particularly in the evening peak hour at the traffic signal and I'm going to point it's just to the lower leftand corner of the exhibit but it's the intersection of Davin uh and Route 10 uh Mount Pleasant and there there are longer delays on Davin and on Walnut and the reason for that is all of our hands are tied by do do likes to have people staying on their Highway and moving I'll say as efficiently as possible quickly perhaps ideally but because of that the state favors the highway movements uh principally because there's just more traffic on Route 10 and they don't want to create conest on their Highway as a result of that and it's just the timing of the light the sequencing it means the delays the weight that we experience as drivers are are long and it's at level of service e there's no getting around that it simply has to do with the way that the signal is timed and the delays that are inherent on both of those approaches it's it's nothing that mandates any change that we've seen or mitigation is the technical term um but it is a remedy I I will say overtime if if citizens your engineer all feel hey you know things are starting to back up a little bit more than they used to it's a simple exercise to request the state to move two seconds 5 Seconds of time off of the highway to favor the side streets we don't anticipate a need to do that but that is a remedy that always exists you know in that Perpetual battle between the interest of local concerns and the state um with that we've reviewed the overall site plan certainly feel that the parking sufficiency uh meets all recognized standards for senior housing there is a slightly uh lower uh proposal for parking ratio which is permitted under the rsis standards recognizing that uh with many senior homes it's it's often times a single resident or older uh couple if you will um who share a vehicle so for that reason it requires less parking than otherwise required under uh the rsis requirements the market building which is um feature behind me fully complies with that amount of parking both for residents and for visitors the one area that I I just wanted to describe briefly and Mr kleene and I chatted about it um maybe it's easier to use the cursor I'll focus on the I'll call it the connector aisle or Carter between microlab Road and Davin and Mr Klein asked you know do we need to introduce some element of traffic caling um that's a current buzzword traffic engineers and you know often planners will use uh to introduce a physical element in the road to slow traffic down I don't necessarily like to solve problems that haven't proven to exist but I think before we even open using a few pieces of decorative Paving courses whether it's brick or fake Cobblestone adds two things one and in a colored pavement it adds a visual cue to the driver of of something different in the road other than black top so just because it looks different we all tend to naturally slow down and pay a little closer attention to that feature but also it provides a textural uh element as drivers Traverse it it's got a little bump or a little Rumble to it and that has proven to be very effective to draw a little greater attention um to those areas and particularly where we have the handicap parking and and the probability of more people backing in and out somewhere along there subject to working with uh your board professionals I I think and I'll defer to Mr Klein but that has proven to be an effective way to do that as opposed to speed humps and and physical vertical relief candidly none of us like to use and and it has issues particularly with older drivers just trying to figure it out and also emergency Personnel so we we believe that that uh meets the spirit and intent will will provide the necessary traffic calming uh or should I say desirable uh that Mr Klein raised um with that we have concluded that as I've indicated the project certainly has um a fair number of benefits in terms of improving traffic than what the site has historically seen and that with the changes uh to internalize traffic and keep it on microlab and Davin it certainly lessens the challenge if you will of traffic getting on and off Route 10 directly and I think that is a significant benefit given the nature of the project and and the use as uh residential um but in conclusion I've I've found that it would be safe and efficient access and circulation certainly sufficient parking um and and I'll leave you to make your own opinion on the Aesthetics of the site but certainly I I feel it's an enhancement and better organizes um what is existed on the property and if there's any specific questions I'd be happy to address those of course I have a question you I think you said that the intersection of Davin Walnut rout 10 um it would be an e not an F it correct it and it is today and it will be tomorrow with or without this development or or change in in site traffic so it is and and meanwhile that's on Davin and Walnut Route 10 operates at B and C so that's what I mean the state favors their traffic arguably to the detriment of local traffic could you just for the benefit of everyone explain what the difference between a a a d an e and an F is at a traffic light I sure can um just for reference we did include that in our report on page six um it is it is delay we as drivers we sit there we wait we check our phones we change the radio station while we wait for the light if it's at a light if it's less than 10 seconds that's a that's great we would love to see that everywhere at the upper end of the spectrum level of service f means a delay of 80 seconds or more that's quite a quite a range you know and I will say 80 Seconds seems like an eternity while waiting for a light e is between 55 and 80 and then B and C and and I don't mean to confuse your I'm going in an odd order but B is between 10 and 20 seconds and C is 20 to 35 now how do we get to a delay like that this signal and I just want to look it up before I put my foot in my mouth this signal operates on A5 second call it a background timer um that means every 105 seconds more than a minute and a half it goes through the entire sequence of green yellow red and then on Davin and walnut green yellow red so because it favors Route 10 at and I want to give you the exact time if I can find it here we are it favors the timing on routee 10 I don't want to get I can't find it I just had it I'm sorry um by easily 60 seconds it's it's probably a little longer and I'm just trying to find it so that means even if there was one car you're the only only car there waiting at Walnut or waiting at Davin you're going to wait 60 seconds that already by default put you at level of service D even if you're the only car and it's just the way the state favors Route 10 it's not the pipe is too small the road is too narrow it's just the way the sequencing works so that that's unfortunately those are inherent delays um that that other than petitioning the state to steal it away from Route 10 that'll have consequences to more people there's no real way to avoid that unfortunately because I mean the reality of at the end of the day between 4 and 6 o00 going east on Route 10 um that traffic light you could sit at two or three times before you get through it and the same thing as you get to the circle if you were continuing down in that direction and the traffic backs up all the way to that light and that's so car is trying to get out of Davin have nowhere to go and that's not going to get worse when you add 180 280 apartments for regardless of what time you want to go out fortunately right going I'll say East at night most people are coming home so there's very little being added in terms of trying to go East toward the circle now if someone decides at 5:00 now's a good time to go visit the mall okay that that that's a bad time to go out but they'll wait fortunately you know as as I'm sure you all have learned there are certain times a day you just don't go out it's not like an office building that emptied at 5 so there is some discretionary element particularly for the residents who will we hope avoid going out at those critical times so so really except at those times it's less of an issue of cars queuing it's just an issue of waiting for the light to change no matter how many cars are there correct okay now and there are obviously external conditions that affect you know it it's a domino effect so it affects each subsequent intersection the intersection itself can process it but obviously do needs to do more to their highway system and that's sorry but you're not concerned that with the cars backing up let's say during rush hour that that it will back up past the driveway or that these driveways will back up no and and and and that's one of the benefits obviously of getting rid of the route 10 driveways obviously you could only go west at the time but we know that that and and it was a question I think in one one of the early memoranda perhaps from police of what will be the effect or impact of the property to the West um at at oakner Parkway and one of the benefits of this overall design is that it allows the senior residents which are to the top of this exhibit the ability to come out to Davin and then go east and have zero impact on oakner to the West right but it but you have both buildings sending people to Davin and if there's if it already cues up and you're waiting a minute at least correct and you how many how many cars can you fit before you hit that driveway is the question the we've pushed the driveway I I'd say an appreciable distance away from the intersection um the the there is and I'm pointing so forgive me and the word Davin on the exhibit is the left turn Lan for traffic to get into that Loop that distance two 11 12 uh is 120 ft away so okay six car lengths maybe seven that's and in the morning though I because because everything behind us is essentially commercial there isn't a whole lot of outbound traffic at that time it's it's basically available for the residents Le have any any questions or comments can you just talk a little bit about the circulation and the access in and out so you talked a little bit about how people from the senior will be able to come east to continue to go East they come out at the light at Davin people that are coming from the West they're going to come in they're going to use The wallnut Jug Handle correct or can they I think can they get in through oakner and sneak through right there's ways of getting through I believe I can't remember what I looked at it the other day take oer to Industrial and all very circu but it's if you live here you might figure it out yeah okay so you're not really I mean you didn't analyze oakner there's other developments that we've seen coming in on oakner and they've analyzed I think the last one was an an adjustment to the timing to make that work a little bit better um so I mean as far as the volume that might use the oak or Jug Handle you want to just look at figure four and tell us in the morning out of the 26 or 32 that are going westbound they're going westbound they're not trying to use The Jug CLE to come back yeah it would it would make no sense to go to oakner leave the site right go west hit that Jug Handle to turn around and come east to get back to this same point that was one of the critical elements of this call it pass through right so that's why and and and I know the police had a question about that during one of the early tracks so Le to your question we have a total of I think it's 32 Vehicles turning West in the morning so one car every 2 minutes to put that into context and they would stay on Route 10 West so there would be a through movement at oakner and not bother with the drug handle so you mentioned the levels of service at Route 10 DAV and walnut that route 10 gets levels of service B's and C's and we get e correct so there is some wiggle room in there and not violate Dot's you know access code and all that kind of stuff to be able to if we wanted to ask for some improvement there for not that we're subject to it but and and and bear in mind we looked at existing conditions right forget the site just here we are today it's e today so I mean if if you wanted to request to do can we have two more seconds five more seconds of green time certainly it would benefit the users of the intersection that's certainly a remedy you have you know available today and it's just a simple request to the state you show them these levels of service Mr Klein could do it um and make that request certainly you know we we we would provide him with whatever information is needed to to to request that if we just can't guarantee the state will do it right that's the problem and then with the traffic calming is there anything a raised crosswalk I don't know if there's any ability on either side of the handicap spots to do some kind of Crossing because there's no real pedestrians going westbound on the on the north side of that through Road right there's no reason for anyone to walk across side so the only you know if we were to put in a vertical element hump curb what have you table it it's it's a pain the snowplow I mean there are a whole lot of reasons why I don't Advocate them it's available and if it becomes an issue of speeding or volume I have no doubt this applicant will be the first one to say we're going to put something in it's just it's it's always available as I said I don't like to put them in initially um but but I think putting in some some texture you know chose a few locations I'm pointing forgive me call at the northeast corner of the building as someone comes in and then perhaps in the loading zone midpoint and we don't need one at the end because people are coming to a stop sign so I think two in that area makes some sense but again textured pavement um often times their their crosswalk width six feet I think in this instance 10 would be a little bit more effective so that we get you know both wheels and again it's either stamped concrete or asphalt is proven to be very effective in in a brick pattern um and concrete certainly durable and that can be tinted again the visual contrast is is key to having those work and it's it's also uh visible at night not this will be lit obviously but um having two two forms of that call it awareness uh make them more effective I mean how do you feel about just posting it 25 miles an hour do you think title 39 is necessary things like that they're not public streets I mean title 39 could apply unless PD is going to put a speed gun out here I it's it's so hard to those signs candidly we as drivers and and I'll be the first to admit we suffer from sign pollution leave here tonight you will probably count within a span of a half a mile 35 or 40 signs we just stop looking at them and paying attention but that's what our do likes us to be constantly reminded great um I just have one question just the the discussion around the payment treatment and kind of that this generated a thought that I had or question I don't know if it's for Mr L but the um easement for the driveway access onto the LIF toown property um is that going to be would that be best access in the in the westbound Direction only for trucks making those movements into that driveway area for the loading and and limiting those turns from the eastbound Direction I think prominantly if I if I remember the site plan approval for the um for the lifetime property that's for trucks and delivery in that back location so it would be I would assume larger Vehicles making that left turn potentially making that left turn into the LI toown I will have to defer I was not part of that particular application but I believe the intent geometrically the way that is designed it is only designed to accommodate right turns right from say Davin or you know now I've moved the exhibit into that um service entrance only if if we need an additional sign my recommendation I noted that there were signs restricting that entry to Vehicles only facing eastbound traffic with a no left turn sign we we'll certainly have that yes thank you sorry if it was the wrong person but no it's a good question I'm the right guy almost done any consideration and I know it's not necessarily your responsibility but there is a a a a mall a mall little shopping center across the way with restaurant and and and gym and a pedestrian access across Route 10 coming out of your property is there any anything that you are doing or proposing to the state with regard to besides closing up the driving access to improve people being able to get across rout 10 without dying we we um it's we I don't have an exhibit unfortunately there is um there are pedestrian amenities push buttons and a crosswalk on the east side of Davin at the traffic signal uh one of the things that came out of the our our darious track meetings was connectivity of this site um to the shopping just say to our north and east and and we have added um there it is we have added um a crosswalk and then we have continued the sidewalk all the way up to the north where there is another crosswalk so that people can walk you know from their house to shopping your question I believe is can they get to can they get to the other side of rout correct I thought and I remember and again I don't have an aial Mike is there an I thought there was already a way to do that yeah there it is thank you yeah we don't have a crosswalk here is the issue on your yeah there okay so we've all found area thank you so again forgive me to the lower right hand corner of the aial is the exist crosswalk with a sidewalk system that goes around the outside of that of that Loop so our residents can get there the question is how do they get from here to here and that's where we go back to um where we have put that crosswalk in it's it's it's a mid block crosswalk and now I I've lost the plan but I believe might correct me if I'm wrong it's somewhere right up in here I'm pointing top the page little sidewalk turns into the shopping center well there are two of them right at the top of the page there's one at the top of the page the one to the north is easy and that's not an issue because you've done that you've addressed for sure trying to get yeah there's an not getting people in a car and driving across the street because they want to go to that gym or they want to go to that produce market or to a restaurant on that side is there some simplistic way to get there by foot if you haven't done it and there's the possibility before you finalize and you get your building permits assuming this gets approved it might not be bad thing to take a look at that's there's an existing crosswalk right along Route 10 there's an existing crosswalk across DAV and then there's the one you're putting in further up and the dot we recently confirmed and they've agreed now as part of their um improvements to the circle are going to run sidewalks on both sides of 10 from the circle all the way to the the brook you know the problem is a divided highway there's median so you only have three chances to cross and there's already one there I think that and taking advantage and and connecting to this system has we've included it the question is does you know with the board like with Mr Klein endorse or your engineer endorse a crosswalk you know right at the end of that turning lane for people to get across Davin and and then pick up that walkway there's got to be some two white stripes we can certainly add it if if that's the desired location um the one thing I didn't address was dealing with the bus shelter um I would say the applicant certainly not to spend your money if you could get it approved they certainly contribute toward that if not put it in the problem is when you go to the state the state thinks it's Christmas and the next thing they want is bike lanes and and 10t wide multi-purpose paths along Route 10 and it's it gets to be very unwieldy when you try to do something nice and the state goes overboard so if it's a municipal request it's very different than a private developer request and and that is the conundrum is it it turns into rebuilding traffic signals I mean the state gets I hate to say it piggish in their requests when when you try to do something beneficial it's no good deed goes unpunished so that that is the conundrum in love to do it but as if it didn't come with a penalty and that's why I said if it's something that town felt strongly about any other questions from is there a location not on 10 on microlab or on Davin where you could put it where it wouldn't be in Do's jurisdiction yeah but then the bus won't come there no but I mean just a shelter to be able to say okay and you could probably if you did it on the right spot you'd see the bus coming and you come out of the shelter get on the bus does that not work I think it's too far away the but the bus stop is um further down by microlab so right so I'm saying if you did it on microlab just outside of the RightWay I mean you think about it whatever yeah then it's I mean and it's near the senior housing and it's like I've got to make the bus and I I worry about mobility and how quickly people will Sprint to get to the bus so no problem but a fair question all right and again thank you for your time that's that's all I have two quick things number one I'm sure that if we make it a condition that that you Mr Klein can work at any traffic cing uh you know devices along corre that spot also the other there there was a condition that was uh suggested by Mr Klein uh and you talked about um since senior housing there's less cars less traffic as a uh condition of approval uh you know keeping you know making sure that it that allocation Remains the Same uh that we're not changing uh that's what I that before they said make sure that there's no objection to putting that as a condition of approval as well well the ordinance right but unless we change thein I can't change that uh any questions for members of the public seeing none thank you thank you again so at this point if there are any members of the public that wish to make a sworn statement in favor of or against the application this is your time to do so and seeing none I will turn it back over to you great first I want to thank the board uh again for this evening and recognizing his special meeting and and uh working with us to get this application uh on before you uh I thought the witnesses did a great presentation explaining the project uh everyone worked real hard to make make sure that the project was designed and laid out in conformance uh with the zone and that would be asking for uh essentially no relief or minimal relief um with respect to the application uh the project is you know obviously being an inclusionary project providing the affordable units uh that will be you know obviously benefiting the town and its affordable housing compliance it's consistent with the court approved or the town's Court approved affordable housing plan uh in addition to being consistent with the zoning adopted for it with respect to relief Mr L of uh presented the testimony for the C2 variances uh for the parking on lot two um in that having the extra 2 feet in that parking garage really doesn't gain anything other than making the parking garage bigger and with respect to the accessory structures uh those setback requirements are in connection with the pickle ball courts the playgr um the ordinance talks about accessory buildings we didn't consider those to be the buildings but notwithstanding we're requesting relief for it uh just in case and he provided the justifications to under the C2 standard uh demonstrating that the benefits of the application as a whole uh substantially outweigh any detriments with respect uh to the relief being sought and the purposes of zoning that felt were furthered uh other than that I know the applicant is excited about about this project um they appreciate the town's concerns of its visibility on Route 10 and making sure uh obviously the look of it we agree to uh some of the conditions or conditions that would be part of the approval I can just run through a few that I have uh to make sure we're on the same page first um with respect to lot two in the drop off parking areas we're agreeing to put the short-term or uh temp you know temporary parking signage to make clear it's not a permanent parking spot um on lot 16 I believe uh Mr Lon ofam and our professionals will work to uh address Mr Diner's comment about either lining up the um two Drive aisles or having some signage is directing people to go to get towards uh 10 East and to direct people from the lot two building or the age restricted building to go down that drive aisle um in addition uh we agreed to work with Mr kleene on some sort of traffic calming measure and Mr uh Dean referred to the kind of textured P setting or sections within that drive a deprived from some traffic cing measures and then we're agreeing to provide a brick for the brick wall uh along Route 10 that does not stain and we would agree uh you know when that's selected to present it to the board engineer for his review and approval as well then there was those list of conditions that were contained in the U in the planning me yes in the uh page 15 of um the planning report uh we would agree with those conditions the only one being uh the bus shelter shelter that we would would not uh agree to we also usually have a condition for the dens and The Lofts that they not be used for bedrooms you want that in the uh resolution as a condition right yeah and also the um you know the uh you know the balcony basically not 're not becoming storage areas I'm sorry I didn't hear you m the balconies are not becoming storage balconies can't be used for storage or Clos lines and I think the temporary parking signs were on both loots correct yes oh yeah yes I'm sorry two and 16 Mr chairman the issue of disruptors on the driveway between Deon and Michael I like the idea is it's something we might want to consider putting in as a condition whether it be color or Texture so where was that the crosswell connecting the drive driveway between the two buildings between D and microwave no cross right yeah we're agreeing the yeah so we're going to work with the traffic engineer yeah there's a lot so um so with that the parties having had the opportunity to make closing statements it appears that the applicant and all ins person and board members have a reason reasonable opportunity to be heard that the evidentiary record of this hearing ought to be closed absent objection in the absence of any motion for continuance the evidentiary record is closed and no further testimony uh or evidence shall uh will be heard uh the board members will have an opportunity to State their industrial views on the application and as a result either can make a motion to approve or disapprove or uh to give non-binding guidance to our attorney to prepare resolution for consideration at the board's next meeting so um yeah Mr chairman I'd like to uh certainly thank the applicant and all their Professionals for you know well thought out well presented application uh very thorough answered all the questions I'm personally uh as it relates to the variances I'm satisfied that technically the the accessory it refers to the I think the intent is really accessory buildings but in this case is it's a gazebo between two pickle ball courts uh I don't think the separation the reason exists there certainly the maintenance building I don't think there was ever tent that you wouldn't be able to drive up to the maintenance building so I I I think the um certainly the C2 criteria are met there and I'm also satisfied particularly in the 55 and over building uh that the likelihood of getting very many Port Expeditions or tahos that are super long is pretty remote um I think you're going to have more standard sized Vehicles so the 18 ft I think will be sufficient in my mind so uh for that reason I I would certainly be in favor of granting the application only because of the amount of information and the number of items that we've got I don't necessarily disagree with Barry but I would like to I I would suggest a non-binding so that we have the opportunity to review it and that everything that needs to be in there is in there it's an important two pieces of property um and not a minor development and I think we all want it to be right so I think I think it's a direction of the board to nonbing guidance to uh our attorney uh to prepare a resolution for consideration at our next meeting uh for us that's right the transcript won't be so um yeah so do you want want to give a date so we need to give a date December 17th so December 17th I gu subject to the transcript um so look if he comes to it becomes an issue then we can just you know notice it for the next next meeting after that but hopefully it'll be ready for the 17th sure okay uh anything else okay with that we are motion thank you thank you thank you have a great evening everybody