[Music] I got him. Is Andy ready? Okay. >> All right. Good evening everyone. This is a regular meeting of Livingston's planning board and notice of this meeting has been published in accordance with the open public
meetings act. >> You take the role Jackie please. >> Yes. Mr. Reber >> here. >> Miss Faz >> here. >> Mr. Lewis >> here. >> Mr. Duffford >> here. >> Mr. Patani >> yes. >> Miss Rishnu >> here. >> Vice chair Santo
>> here. >> Chairman Fernandez >> here. >> We have our quorum. Mr. Ratner, Mr. Diner and Miss Connor are not present this evening. We also have our board attorney, assistant township engineer, our traffic consultant, and our planning consultant.
>> Thank you. And if you can call the uh first matter on uh the agenda for tonight. >> Yeah, that matter. Mr. Chairman, the board gave non-binding gu non-binding guidance on August 5th for application
number 2025-39-LM and 2025-40-PFSP for 19-43 and 45 South Livingston Avenue. >> Okay. Thank you. And that uh resolution is still being drafted. So, we'll uh carry that to our next meeting, which
will be >> that would be Tuesday, September 16th. Okay. So that's uh September 16th at 7:30. Uh no further notice uh is required. This is the public notice of that meeting. Uh great. Uh thank you. Uh
and then moving on to the next matter. Preliminary and final site plan with variances for application number 2024-74-PFSPV block 61000 lot 570 South Orange Avenue Camelot
Associates LP and the R5Q residence overlay zone. >> Uh thank you. Um welcome. >> Hi good evening chairman board members. My name is John Wescala. Always a pleasure to be here in the township of Livingston. I hope everyone had a nice
holiday weekend. September 2nd, summer's over, but we're happy to be here. Nevertheless, I'm here tonight on behalf of Camelot Associates LP. My client is the owner of the subject property located at 70 South Orange Avenue.
property is identified as 6100 lot five on your tax map and it is located in your R5Q residential overlay zone district. Uh subject property is just over 9 acres in size. It's currently improved with a big office building uh
with surface parking lots. Uh we are excited to be here this evening seeking preliminary and final site plan approval to permit the development of a multifamily inclusionary residential development on the subject property. It's comprised of 223 units. 222 of
those are rental units and one of the units is for an on-site superintendent. Uh our pursuant to our proposal, we're going to remove the existing improvements on site and we're proposing the development of a single building that consists of four levels of
multifamily residential housing over a ground level of uh of parking uh under the building. uh proposed project includes uh surface parking, lighting, landscaping, storm water management facilities, and a host of amenities for the uh residents uh that'll be moving
into this community uh which you'll hear in greater detail tonight. Um for the board's edification, uh this project is a part of the township's third round affordable housing settlement uh was which was entered back in 2023.
uh the R5Q uh residential overlay zone district was created at that time and in accordance with the provisions of that zone uh this is a project that's providing for a 24 uh 20% affordable housing set aside of 45 units. So 45 of
that total 223 uh units uh is is proposed uh for affordable housing for low and moderate income housing. Uh we think it's a beautiful project that's very well designed in accordance with the overlay zoning that was adopted really cons uh consistent with what uh
had been presented back at the time. Uh it is a project that complies in all respects uh with respect to use density, building height, impervious coverage, setbacks and the other bulk standards uh that are are set forth in the R5Q uh
overlay zone. uh you know candidly it's very rare that I come in with an application that is fully conforming. Uh we believe this one uh does. However, that being said, we did receive a re a review report and a question was raised
as to whether variance uh relief was necessary with respect to the dimensions of parking stalls uh within the uh within that uh surface garage level parking. Uh your ordinance has a general
requirement of 9 by 20. Um if there isn't a uh you know either a curb stop or a or a or a curb line over >> for an overhang, it's a two-ft overhang provision. Of course, the residential site improvement standards uh provide uh
that 9 by18 uh is the standard and we comply with the RSI standards uh which we believe uh you know control in this regard. However, that being said been before this board and had this same discussion. Uh we did notice for the
variance and Mr. Lanza FMA will uh will address it as well over the course of the evening and you'll see how the how the parking lays out and so forth and believe it we believe it works. Uh we did also request an EIS waiver uh really a technical waiver uh while we didn't uh
submit a standalone EIS. What we did do was to submit an environmental assessment report uh that was submitted part and parcel to D permitting. We believe it uh contains sufficient information, the appropriate information that this board and its professionals
would look at uh uh anyway in the course of a development. This is a developed site. I know you're all aware of it and we're really uh sticking within uh by and large the the scope of of the developed area. Uh I have three witnesses this evening. Uh project
engineer and planner Michael Lanzafama. Uh Mr. Lanop will run through the site, existing conditions, what's being proposed, uh, and it'll just touch on all aspects of operations. Uh, we've got Gary Dean. He's our traffic engineer. He submitted a report. Mr. Klein reviewed
that report. Uh, Mr. Dean will will speak to to the general uh, traffic impacts associated with this. Uh, and then last but not least is our project architect, Jack Raker, with Minnow and Wasco. Uh, we also have Brian Conway here. Brian is um as you know Mr.
Lonzaf's colleague and uh while Mike is going to cover landscaping and lighting if any questions come up uh possible that we call Brian uh and we have a host of other representatives of ownership here too because there's number of people behind me. So that being said
unless anybody has any questions of me. >> Are there any members of the public here or is it just everybody on your team? Okay, then I will do I'll dispense then with the um you know the the process of um you know how tonight will go. >> Thank you chairman.
>> So you can call your first >> at this time. I'd like to call Michael Lanzafama. >> We did send notices just for the record. >> Sure you did. Raise your right hand. You swear the testimony given this man will be the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth.
>> I do. My name is Michael Lonzafama. That's L an Z A F A M A. I'm a licensed professional engineer, land surveyor and planner licensed in the state of New Jersey. I'm a principal with the firm of Casey and Keller Incorporated, 258 Main
Street, Milbour, New Jersey. I've been licensed as a professional engineer and land surveyor since 1984 and as a professional planner since 1985. I've testified before this board on numerous occasions in similar applications.
>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Questions? Oops. Any questions from members of the board and um uh in both uh planning and engineering? >> Correct. >> Okay. Mr. Lama is accepted as an expert by the board in planning and engineering.
>> Thank you very much, Chairman. Uh Mr. Lanzafama, your office prepared the uh plans that are before the board this evening. Correct. >> Yes, sir. That is correct. >> I'm just going to turn the floor over to you uh to provide the board with an overview of the existing site and conditions and uh and you can get into
the site plan. >> Okay. So, what I've brought up on the uh computer screen is the current uh plan set that was submitted uh to the board for approval. As uh John pointed out, this is tax lot 5 and block 6100 known
as 70 South Orange Avenue. um and is located on the south side of South Orange Avenue, approximately 600 ft west of Peach Tree Hill Road. Uh let me see if I can get this up so I get a little more.
Just kind of blowing that up a bit. There we go. >> And Michael, just so I'm clear, we've got color on here. Did we have color on the uh submitted plan set? >> I I'm coming to that. This is This is the plan set that was submitted. Um this is on the cover sheet. This is just an
aerial image uh of that uh of the area. It shows uh the existing property outlined in green. It shows you the existing structure and and surface parking area. Um as you can see from the aerial exhibit, um the areas to the
south and west are virtually uh nothing but swamp and flood plane and wooded area. Uh to the north is Newark Academy. you could see uh their baseball field and parking areas. And further to the east is um office buildings that are
looking to be redeveloped shortly um as various types of uses either warehousing or data centers. U so you can get a sense of the location of the site. Um it's not really impacting any adjoining single family residential zones. is kind
of nestled at the far western uh edge of the community. Um the property uh as John pointed out is just over 9 acres in size and about 4.4 acres of the site are being developed. The remainder of the
site is impacted by wetlands and floodplane. uh back in 2023 uh we got a letter of interpretation from the D as to the location of the wetlands and establishment of a
transition area of 150 ft u by uh associated with those wetlands. Um and the property is also located within the flood hazard area of the Pake River. Uh the flood elevation in and around this area is at elevation 176. So basically
the building and the area in front of the building are to the north end of the site are above the flood hazard elevation. Um so we secured an individual flood hazard permit to redevelop the site to remove the existing structure and surface parking
area and replace it with the multi-level building with the uh parking located on the uh first level ground level. Uh the building then can levers over the flood plane to allow flood waters to freely move up under the building so that we
met the zero net fill requirement uh of the D. Um, moving on to, let me see, let me just put this down for a minute and renderings. And this is the color rendering that John was referring to is
the site plan that we've added some color to. And what this uh do we want to mark? >> Yeah, we should mark that uh as exhibit A1 with today's date. >> Yes. And A1 is site plan sheet five with
uh some color added to it. And as you can see, we're maintaining the existing driveway entrance into the site. As you know, back in 2016, or maybe you don't know, in 2016, uh, a traffic light was installed along South
Orange Avenue at that location, uh, which pro obviously helps tremendously in having vehicular traffic enter and exit this site. Um, we come in off that same driveway. There's surface parking along the north side of the building.
We've created a traffic circle uh at the main entrance to the building so that there can be uh people could be dropped off, deliveries could be made, Uber uh pickups, uh you know, deliveries of food and what have you. Um you know, Amazon
deliveries all can be made uh along this uh little loop that we have. The driveway width of that is 24 feet wide. So it provides for enough room for a vehicular uh movement around a vehicle that might be parked at the main entrance. This is the entry lobby. Um
there are a number of uh elements to the building in the way of storage. Um trash pickup for example is totally located within the building. There's a trash room located at the southeast corner as
well as up on the western side of the building. Um, as you come across the front of the building and loop around the eastern side of the building, um, there's access to a loading area which is at the southeast corner. This
provides for easy trash pickup. Uh, it also provides for the ability to have easy moveins and move outs. Um, if you can see, let me just blow this up a bit. Um, as you look at that corner of the building, you can see that there's
actually two elevators located in this area. We have a little movein lobby where vehicular uh traffic could come in. Ve trucks could pull in back in to position. They can offload the trucks, bring it right into an elevator, take it
directly to the apartments for move in. And the same thing for move out. We also have another elevator located in there for tenant use. Um people who are at that far end of the building or the garage can easily use that elevator.
There's a total of six elevators uh uh spread out through the building. There's two in the main lobby. There's another one on the eastern side near some handicap parking. And then there's one in the far uh west southwest corner of
the building. So the parking field there's u approximately 352 spaces located in this garage can easily access any one of these elevators to get up into their apartment >> and and Mr. lines of FMA just before you
get off it. Moveins, move outs. They're all coordinated through uh management. Correct. It's not a freeforall. >> I think people the tenants are not randomly moving in. >> Yeah. They have to make arrangements. They have to schedule an appointment and a time uh to move in and move out. So
that's clearly uh >> Thank you. >> Uh well controlled by by the uh by the management. Um just jump over to let me just run through some of the metrics uh in the project to demonstrate compliance with
the zoning. Um actually I could do that. Let me see if I can get over to here. There we go. This is the zoning table that is on sheet two in your plan set and this
demonstrates compliance with all of the bulk standards uh of the zone. Uh the minimum setback requirement uh from South Orange Avenue is 100 ft. We're well over that. We're 130 plus feet. Uh the easterly setback and westerly
setbacks have to be 50 and 45 feet respectively. We're over at 108 and over at 49. Um the minimum rear yard setback is 70 feet. We're at over 103 feet. Uh the density that's allowed is 222 units
with one caretaker unit. And that's exactly what we are proposing. Uh the building height is 65 ft and four stories above the parking garage. Um and that's measured from the front entry of the building and that's exactly what we
have to the surface of the roof. Um there are no accessory structures associated with this project. Um the building and the parking area basically sit right at top the area of prior disturbance which was the office
building and the surface parking area. And you can see that building coverage is allowed to be 45%. We're at 33.25. 25% well below what is permissible under the ordinance. Impervious coverage is 65%.
We're at 43.38%. Again, well below uh what is required. Um we meet all setback requirements for parking. Um we have one sign, one monument sign located at the driveway
entrance that's compliant with regard to size. We're allowed 48 square feet and a 5-ft setback from the South Orange Avenue rightway. And we comply with both of those. The 5- foot setback and the sign is at 46.75
square ft. So well in compliance and it doesn't exceed the limited height of 8 ft. It's exactly at 8 ft. The parking for the project is based upon the requirements of the residential site improvement standards. Um so based upon
u the arrangement we have 56 one-bedroom units 141 two-bedroom units and 26 threebedroom units. So that equates to 437 required parking spaces. We're proposing
uh 25 uh EV charging stations. So we get a credit or a a bonus um of 25 spaces. So that brings us down to 412 spaces are required. There are 60 surface parking
spaces proposed and 352 garage spaces. Um so that brings us to the total of 412. So you can see we're compliant with regard to the number of parking spaces. Um the one issue that um John brought up
with regard to um the size of the parking stalls, your ordinance requires 9 by 20 parking spaces unless you could have a vehicle overhang. They're allowed to be 9 by8. As you can see, our
head-to-head spaces as well as our perimeter spaces are are 9 by8. Excuse me. And this is consistent with the residential site improvement standards. Um, obviously the benefit of of doing this is you you can fit more
parking spaces in the same uh area of the building and then still provide for adequate aisle width of 24 ft. So in my in my mind if a variance is required it's clearly a C2 variance that could be
granted uh under the criteria that the benefits outweigh the detriments that to get the same number of parking spaces and less impervious coverage is certainly a benefit uh to the project and to the community overall.
There are a number of access points uh around the building. Garage entry occurs on the eastern side of the building at two locations. Um one on about halfway down the side of
the building and the second location is at the southeast corner near the loading area. We also after several discussions with the track and with the fire department, we added another emergency access point.
Um, and we grouped all of the EV charging stations for for uh passenger vehicles in the northwest corner of the building. And what we did is we provided an emergency rollup door so that if for
some reason one of these vehicles should be engaged in a fire, the fire department can gain quick and easy access on the west side of the building and uh be able to handle whatever emergency was necessary.
Um just to the west of that we have our transformer location. We have an emergency generator that um we're still in the process of determining uh the final design of that. We're working with our mechanical engineers. Uh but the goal is to
obviously control all of the doors, access to the garage, uh emergency lighting, things of that sort. And whether or not one or more elevators gets put on that, um we're still working through that. >> There's sufficient area within that pad
area is laid out if the generator uh was required to be upsized. >> Yes, sir. Yeah, that that's more than adequate. Um I don't have the exact dimensions of what's shown there, but that's approximately 4 by8 and we can certainly make that a little bit bigger. There's plenty of room in in
and around that uh that area to get the generator in there. >> And that'll be natural gas power. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. to handle storm water management and the new D regulations. Um we have a large
bio retention basin along South Orange Avenue. Uh on the north side of the building and on the southeast side we have a secondary basin. Um this is basin number one at the southeast corner. Basin number two is along South Orange
Avenue. And then we have a large detention area under the building. um that handles all of the roof water. Uh this system was designed with the new BMPPS in mind and that is not only do
you have to look at what the rainfall events are uh today, but you have to project it into the year 2050. And the system is designed to handle the projected increase of rainfall uh resulting from that anticipated change
in the uh climate and the environment. >> No, no. Current currently the site just sheets off into the Pac River uh at the rear. So, not only are you getting attenuation in the quantity of runoff, but you're also
getting purification of the water because the bio retention basins will purify the surface water and you're changing much of the surface parking area that exists now into rooftop uh rainfall which is already considered clean uh by the D.
So, this was reviewed and approved by the D as part of our um transition averaging permit that we secured. Um, at the time we got our permit, it wasn't required to do the 2050 storm, but when we made the application, we decided to
upgrade it and make sure that it did meet those standards. So the systems will handle that and will be a positive both uh uh water quantity-wise as well as water qualitywise. A vast improvement over what exists currently.
The um moving on to lighting and landscaping. This next exhibit uh is a colorized version of the landscape plan. And uh this is we prepared uh in our
office uh under Mr. Conway's uh oversight. Uh this is sheet number nine in your plan set. It's exact same drawing. We just added some color to it. >> So we should uh call that as exhibit A2. We've submitted these exhibits in
advance, but we'll uh resubmit them with the actual exhibit markings on as well. So, you have them, Jackie. >> So, the the overall uh plan, the the existing site having been already developed, uh had a total of of 77 trees
in the area to be redeveloped. um we had to take down 67 of them which requires 106 uh replacement trees. Uh we're able to plant 50 trees on the site. Um we've already prepared a tree
removal application that will be submitted once we move on to resolution compliance should the board uh grant us approval. The landscape plan was developed not only for this site
plan but also for our flood hazard and transition averaging approval. Um we did extensive uh replanting and reveation of the transition area, the wetlands transition area. These are all native
species that we're using and there a variety of shrubs and ornamental trees as well as shade trees. So you could see a significant amount of trees along South Orange Avenue along the front of the building. So providing us with u a nice
streetscape, a nice aesthetic view of the front entry. There's a sidewalk that runs along the entire frontage. We have an access a pedestrian access pathway that can bring pedestrian traffic uh directly into the lobby. There is a bus
stop right near us. Um, so this makes sense to have that access off of the street. There's a walkway that comes around the east side of the building, so visitors parking along the east side or north
side of the building have an easy and safe pathway uh to the main entrance. Um, we did get um a review memo from Mr. Klein decline um regarding some signage modifications about the circle.
We're going to make that adjustment. Basically letting motorists know that there's two-way traffic occurring along here so they don't think it's just a one-way traffic movement to be conscious of what's happening around them.
Um the lighting for the project is all LED type fixtures. Um, we have just two wall-mounted fixtures over the entrance to the garage. All of the other uh poles are pole mounted. All the other lights are
polemounted. And we've illuminated the entry areas to a little brighter lighting level and we've kind of softened the lighting as you come around the east side of the building. So, um the the levels of lighting meet the
standards of the township's requirements and provide for safe um passage by vehicular traffic uh and pedestrian traffic. Um we did receive a number of review memos from the municipality.
Um we're we're working through them. Uh obviously the engineering review memo we had been ongoing for for several months and we've complied with almost all of those requirements. Um we're cooperating with
Mr. Klene. I'm losing my voice. I don't know why. >> I knew I brought him for a reason. Thank you. Um, and we just received this evening a review memo um, from the water and sewer department. It's a lot to digest. Um,
we're going to be reviewing it and we'll work with Nathan and Mont McDonald and your engineering department and I'm sure we can we can sort it out and figure out uh the best approach for the community as well as for this development.
And we're also in constant communication with Newark Academy because they utilize our pump station as well as the force main that we utilize. So, we're in communication with them and we'll
coordinate with them as well. That's really all I have. So, >> did I miss somebody? Did I miss a review memo? I don't think I did. >> Uh, no. I think you touched on M McDonald. Well, that's all part of the >> Nathan's last memo.
>> Yeah, I have nothing further. >> Uh that you need Mike to go through. I know there was uh I think uh uh access uh emergency vehicle access into the um uh parking garage was was the height sufficient? We're seeing some comment about that. Um, there's enough height
clearance for emergency vehicles to get in, such as an ambulance or a police vehicle. You're not going to bring a fire truck in there. Um, we did provide some truck turning exhibits that show how the fire truck can maneuver through the site as well as loading and
unloading as well as refuge pickup. >> Is the is the garage gated? Is it closed? And then how do how do people access the garage? Um, they all have like a key fob. Okay, we need to get in. If some of the garage spaces can be
utilized by guests. So, if the 60 parking spaces are totally filled, they have to report into the lobby and then they're buzzed in. So, that and then they're told where to park. So, that's how that's controlled. >> And it's not assigned parking. It's just uh
>> it's not Well, and we we haven't determined that entirely. We we most likely are going to assign at least one spot to each apartment and then the rest will be um you know not a free-for-all but what's the word I'm looking for?
>> First come first serve. >> Yes. Um no other than that I mean you already touched about uh obviously well Nate's latest review and M McDonald I think you resubmitted last uh two weeks ago some stuff. Right. Couple things we had to work through. And then um the
Newark Academy that is the pump station privately owned or is it >> privately owned? Yes. >> By the developer or is it >> by the developer? Yes. It was it was built in 1977 as part of the office building construction. >> And the New York Academy ties into it. That's how it works. >> Okay.
>> Yes. That's our understanding. my conversations with uh Brian Stevenson, the manager of the New York Academy, is that their pump station pumps into our pump station and then it gets to the force man. >> So, we just got to work together on evaluating that. >> Exactly.
>> Correct. Perfect. That's all I have. Thanks. >> Real quick before we get off the access, so you said a guest is going to have to what? Pull into the roundabout, the circle, and then walk into the lobby. >> That's correct. >> And get like a code and then go into the Exactly. as opposed to what's it called?
The butterfly system where you can call to your call to >> do that. Yes. >> You're not going to do the butterfly. >> No. >> Okay. >> We We want everybody to report to the lobby. We want We want management to control who goes in and out of the building.
>> You and you said drop offs for um you know, Amazon, Uber, all those that that takes place in the circle. Yeah, that that can all take place in the circle. The circle's 24 ft curb to curb. So, a vehicle could pull up and still another car come past it easily.
>> They could also park in a spot and walk up to >> That's the other thing. >> So, Sunday afternoon and the spots are full. How do you get a code to get in? >> You you go to the lobby. We have a we'll have an on-site >> 247.
>> 247. Yeah. And be living there. if I may or >> Yeah, please. >> Uh just with the secondary access uh the emergency access where the EV uh chargers are coming. >> Yes. >> Um is there enough space uh for example
for a firet truck uh if it had to come down that lane? Could cars still leave the site? >> Yeah. Well, this is 24 feet. He's not they're not >> Yeah, they won't come in. But >> Right. We spoke to Chief Mullen. He said he was he would never bring the truck the fire apparatus into the building. Um
we have a fire hydrant proposed right in this the island that I'm pointing to here. Um so he'll be able to pull up connect up and then he'll be able to access that area quickly and be a if he has to he could pull the car out. That was one of the thoughts he had. He might
want to actually pull the vehicle out and he thought he could do that through that door. >> Would other vehicles still be able to leave the site? >> Yes. Yeah, that's that's why this works so well is vehicles will still be able to utilize the exit driveway because the
fire apparatus will be engaged here, the door here, and they'll be able to pull out and work in this area. >> Okay. >> So, that leaves that exit driveway open. >> Okay. >> And where does the trash and recycling get picked up from? >> It gets picked up from the loading area
on the southeast corner of the building. >> Um, and there's a trash room right at that location. The truck will pull in here and they'll they'll wheel it out or they'll wheel it out. I'm sorry. They'll wheel it out through here. They can come out either way.
There's a door right here on the trash room. So, they could the garbage truck can back into position. They can wheel it out, load it up, and take off. And then there's another trash room on the far end of the building. So periodically the staff will bring that re refuge from
there down to this room for eventual pickup. There's also recycling in that area and there's shoots on each floor. There'll be trash rooms on each floor. They'll drop it down into the shoots. >> Any pedestrian access to the building? >> Say again.
>> The pedestrian access. Do we have a a walkway at the side of uh >> South Orange Avenue? >> Yeah, we have we have a pedestrian access door. This is the east side of the building. So, if someone is parking here and they decide they want to come in, they could come in through here and
they could walk over to uh the lobby entrance here. If they're a tenant, they have access to the elevator. They have a their passcode. And then along the front portion of the building, there's an access door midway by the pet
spa and the bike storage. So if somebody wants to take out their bike, they can do that here. We have the main entrance to the lobby at this location. >> Uh so that that's great. That's within the site. Uh you mentioned bike and
pedestrian. How about outside? So is there a walkway parallel to south? be a you'll be able to come across this sidewalk. Come at this crosswalk, go over a little bridge that kind of hovers over the biodetention basin out into the
sidewalk along South Orange Avenue. >> Got it. Thanks. >> Are there sidewalks along the front of the >> existing? >> They go the full length of the front. >> They do. They do. >> Where are they on the plans? Look like >> this this uh shaded area you see here.
uh on exhibit uh A1 shows the and that's actually an existing sidewalk. It falls a little bit short uh by the pump station >> on the other side. >> On the other side, it stops. It just had they had a pedestrian
>> along South Orange Avenue. >> Yeah, that's where I am. This is along South Orange Avenue. So, this falls a little short of the property line. Property lines here. So we this was put in when the um traffic light was put in.
>> Is someone able to walk off of the property without going into the street? >> Yes. >> Where would they end? Where do they get to the next area sidewalk? >> Oh, you mean once they once they go uh to the end of the property? No, there's
no there's no other sidewalks. It looks like it falls short because the property line. >> Um, if it needs to be extended to the property line, I'm sure that's not going to be an issue. >> One of the reasons for asking that question is in these types of, you know,
complexes, we have folks coming from outside taking a mass transit or public transit. >> Well, this is >> trying to cross which is like a busy road of South Orange Avenue. If they're dropped off on the one side, how do you cross and stuff like that? So that creates safety issues, which is why I'm
asking this. >> From my understanding, there's a crosswalk that exists at the traffic light. There's a there's currently a crosswalk at the traffic light. So should somebody come from the Newark Academy side of South Orange Avenue, they can cross at the crosswalk at the
traffic light and walk across into the entrance to the property. >> Great. Thank you. >> There's also this little rectangular area here is the bus stop. So, >> actually that was just going with my question. So, sidewalk does go to the bus stop.
>> Say that again. >> The side the sidewalk does go to Okay, great. >> Any other questions from our professionals? >> Had a question. I don't know if it's necessarily for you, Mike, or for Mr.
Wcala. Um you indicated and and I think in your opening statement you indicated as far as the parking space size just so I understand is the position is that RSI preempts local short of a special area standard which I don't think we did with our ordinance because I think it
predated RSI is okay correct okay thanks >> any other questions from the board >> seeing none uh thank you >> you're welcome Next up, Gary Dean, traffic engineer. >> Good evening. You swear the testimony given this
matter be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> Yes, I do. >> Name for the record, please. >> Gary Dean, Dean N. Professional address is 181 West High Street in Somerville, New Jersey. >> Mr. Dean, can you please provide the board with a brief summary of your
educational and professional background and licenses you hold? >> Um, I have a Bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering. Um, I've been licensed as a professional engineer for the past roughly 35 years and to the best of my memory, I appeared before this board as part of the Westminster
Hotel redevelopment, I think within the past six months or so. Uh, but my license as a professional engineer is uh current and remains in good standing. >> Any questions from the board? Any objections? Uh, the uh board accept you
as accepts you as an expert in traffic engineering. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. >> I do need to correct Mr. Wikiscala in that uh unlike most applications, I did not prepare a traffic study for this application. Part of the reason is a Mr.
Klein did his usual exemplary job in obiating the need for it. But most importantly, and I think the highlight of this particular project is it's it's a unicorn type project where most development adds traffic to a
community because the site is already redeveloped. The conversion from 80,000 square ft of office space to 223 units actually reduces traffic uh by about twothirds what it formally was when the office was was developed and and more
active. Um, we obviously have to receive approval from the Essex County Planning Board. Uh, but given the absence of any material traffic changes and certainly a reduction and the fact and about seven years ago, uh, I represented Newark
Academy and that when the former owner had proposed putting in the traffic signal that's at the site driveway, Newark Academy was concerned about the effect on their school dismissals and arrival. and we spent some time working with uh the property owners, traffic
engineer at the time just to look at the traffic signal timing and some of the improvements that were uh proposed. Um and since that time obviously the property has had the signal installed. Um that in and of itself facilitates traffic in and out of the subject site.
The only difference is with a residential development you have more people leaving in the morning whereas with an office use you would have arrivals in the morning and then the reverse at night. Um but with that we we are looking at roughly a 37% or so
reduction in overall peak hour traffic. Uh which again is certainly you know a step towards managing transportation in in any community. So unlike most of the time where I step up and say this will have no adverse or negative impact quite
to the contrary this redevelopment would have a positive traffic impact. Um the other thing we've done is work with the design team looking at circulation access. Um certainly the concerns about pedestrian circulation were picked up.
Interestingly enough this is the only site I believe on South Orange Avenue that has sidewalk. Um there there's connectivity to go across the street across the Newark uh academy property but but they have no sidewalk. So really
whenever it was put in obviously is with good intentions in terms of having accessibility. It does provide access to the bus stop and I think that's the most critical for future residents. RSIS does dictate a lot of the design
elements of a exclusively residential project in terms of parking stall size, aisle widths and the like. The applicant has adopted a belt and suspenders approach towards seeking the relief from your ordinance even though it's at
variance and has been supplanted by RSIS. but to to tidy that up and and certainly as a residential project that the the parking space turnover is fairly minimal. Um and and the design does comply with with RSIS. Um other than
that, I I think the rest of uh and I'll defer to Mr. Klein, but his comments were certainly constructive and helpful. And I know Mr. must be where this spot because I'm getting it too. Um those comments are are are all acceptable to the design team with no
exception and certainly uh will further enhance the overall circulation to the site. So So that's all I have unless there are specific questions. >> Um handicap parking within the parking deck, where are they located?
Uh, that's really a better question for Mike, but we do have and I'm showing you close to the lobby on the west side of the uh the the main lobby entrances to the lower left of what I'm displaying. And you can see just the very western outline of the circle. You'll see a
number of handicapped accessible spaces on the exterior. Um, and then Mike, I'll I'll I'm doing my best. Here they are. There's a few more on the inside uh closest to the elevator bank uh that are van accessible and that also
comply with the now requirement for I'll say handicapped accessible EV spaces and and then there are a few more on the far I'll call it northeastern side of the garage structure again flanking the elevator. Um those much
like the EV spaces are all dictated by code but we believe that they provide the intent of accessibility as close to elevators and entrances as possible. >> What are the total number of handicap spaces
>> now? Now I'm being tested. I honestly don't remember it. They're dictated by code. So, whatever the building code and construction department requires, I don't know if any do do we know that number? >> Maybe we have another witness that can answer that. >> How many?
>> Eight. No, we have well more than that. >> Yeah, I'm looking now. See if I can find it. >> I show six and seven. Yeah, it looks like 13 spaces. I think m Lee, was that in your >> 14? >> 14. Thank you. I stand corrected.
>> Lee, was that in your memo? I think you called that out. >> Oh, they said they were going to add one more. Okay. My original comment was >> Yes, I see that. >> Between 401 and >> Between 401 and 500, you need nine. You're proposing 13. Six
Six outside and seven inside. And then I have another comment later on that you're going to you said you would add another one. >> Correct. >> So then you've got >> eight. Yeah, exactly. Now eight in the garage. Correct. >> So eight
>> inside that are covered, six exterior >> and well in excess of the minimum required. >> Lee, do you have any any other questions or comments? >> Lee. >> No. >> No. Okay. Uh any questions or comments from other professionals or from the
board? Seeing none, thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> I also know we don't have any members of the public here. >> That's uh true. I I guess even though I did ask whether there were any, you're
correct. So, are there any members of the public that have walked in um that ask questions of either of these two witnesses? And seeing none, we will then move on. >> But uh good point. Thank you. >> Yes. Jack Raker. >> Thank you, Mr.
>> You want to raise your right hand, sir? You swear the testimony given this matter will be the truth. I hope nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Please give us your full name. Fill your last name. >> My name is Jack Rker. R A K E R. >> Mr. Raker, can you please provide the board with an overview of your
educational and professional background and licenses you hold? >> Sure. I uh have a bachelor in arts and architecture from New Jersey Institute of Technology. Uh I'm a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. I have been practicing in this realm of
architecture for the past 25 years. Um, and my license is current and in good standing. And I've testified before this board. Actually, I think it was last month, uh, and numerous boards throughout the state of New Jersey. >> Are there any questions from the board?
Any objections? So, the, uh, board accepts you as an expert in architecture. >> Thank you. >> So, Riker, your office prepared the plans, the architectural plans that are before the board this evening. Is that correct? They did. >> Okay. I'll turn the floor over to you to go through your plans accordingly. >> So Mike Mike did a very thorough job
actually went into the building. So I'm going to skip some of the stuff that he talked about trash locations, that kind of thing because he's already covered that. But um we do have uh you know I'm going to talk about the entry and there's an entry
right here. That's the main lobby. There's a lot of >> just just so the board is aware, we are looking at the plans that are submitted. Correct. That is correct. There are there these are the plans that were submitted non-colorized. I do have some colorized exhibits that were added. I'll point them out when we get to them. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah, we we received both sets but with the colorized and without the colorized. >> Great. So, I'm going to zoom in here a little bit just so we can get a better view of the lobby and I'll go over some of the amenities there. It's very touchy.
There we go. Okay. So, we have the main entry here. Goes into the residential lobby that's here. To the left, we have a nice leasing area. That's where you'll be received. There'll likely be a desk somewhere or counter that's built in once we get the interior design in there where you'll have some type of concierge
that will greet a guest as they come. nicesized, well-sized mail room for all the tenants and a package room. Lots of packages come to these buildings. Packages have to be managed. It's managed internally and distributed to the tenants. Uh they'll they get a little message when they get a package
uh and they can come down and pick it up. Lots of great amenities here. I'm going to go through I'm going to al also show some sample pictures of another project that we did with very similar level of amenities. I'll take you through that. We have a nice bike storage room here. Inside will likely have some, you know, tools and things to
work on your bike. There'll be a racks so you could lock your bike up to a rack. U pet spa here that has direct access to the exterior. Um so your bikes are easily access easily brought out to the outside and um pets are easily
brought in and washed and uh taken up to your your We also have a sports simulator at this level where uh where I'll show you an example of that. It's not just like a golf simulator. There's other sports you can do with it as well. So, uh, they're very popular amenities.
Go to the next page. Um, again, you know, I'm not going to touch the access. The mic sort of hit everything to 352 spaces in the garage. Um, and we did add that fire access uh
that was requested by the fire official. While we're on, >> can I ask a question? I I had another application somewhere in another town. Isn't there some sort of fire suppression system that they can use for electric vehicles? >> So, there are actually there's a lot of new developments in fighting electric
vehicle fires. Um, I see a lot of stuff online. I don't know that any have really caught yet and have become the more dominant one, but I've seen one that, you know, you throw it under the car and it actually takes a bullet, shoots it into the battery and then sprays water into it. So, there's a lot of crazy stuff that they're inventing
out there to fight these fires. >> I think I saw something where was just a heavy blanket that >> Oh, yeah. I've seen that one, too. A nice big heavy blanket that they use and it just smothers it. >> Yeah, there's a there's a lot of things out there. Um, I don't know that one is caught on more than, >> right? Could something be retrofitted at a later date? Some of this stuff.
>> I mean, this garage is fully sprinkler by the way. Not that that would help water type of fire. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But, uh, but yeah, there's any number of items that uh that they use. Will will the bike storage have um charging for ebikes?
>> You know that we haven't discussed that. Um likely there will be something like that. Uh there's probably a lot of ebikes. They're becoming more and more popular. I think it's really just in the past year they've just exploded. I see so many of them on the road. Um but it can be provided. >> Are there other precautions that you
have to take as a result of that if you're going to have ebikes? I >> I can tell you the entire this entire level that we're talking about is type 1A construction. It's non-combustible construction. So, we have a and we have a threehour deck that's between this
level and the uh the frame level above. Go to the next page. So, this next this is the this is the great level of this building. And I'm just zoom out just a little bit so you can get the >> just indicate what sheet you're on. >> I'm on sheet A02. So, I'm going to give you a brief
overview and then I'll I'll uh zoom in. So, we have lots of amenity in this building. It's pro. It's it's a total of about I have about 34,000 square ft of amenity. Uh that's lot very well amenitized. So, the these areas here, we
have a pickle ball court that's two stories. It goes up to the next level. We've got fitness and on demand fitness. We've got a nice lounge area here. We have some gaming areas over here. Um lots of great amenity. It all looks out
onto a nice big amenity courtyard. This amenity courtyard is almost fully enclosed. So, it's surrounded by four four walls of residence, but there is a way to walk under the building and into the other amenity. So, this is all open.
There are units above this area. It's a sort of a covered outdoor amenity. We did this in another project. was very very popular. Um especially on sunny hot days where you want to sit in a nice cool area um and next to the pool. We've got a great pool out here uh that's on a
little bit of a raised platform so it doesn't go down into it sort of splits the level goes down into the garage a little bit and then it stays up up a couple of feet. It's only about a 4ft deep pool. It's not like a really deep plunge pool. And then we have an additional amenity that off of that
indoor amenity. It's kind of undefined now, but we thought having that pool, having a nice amenity space next to it, uh, could be used for parties or or things of that nature. And again, another great deck. These decks will have, you know, they'll have fire pits.
They'll have TVs, outdoor bar areas, um, grilling stations for people to come and grill because you can't grill in your apartment or out on a terrace. You got to you got to make sure it's in a secure, safe environment with all the controls that and checks that, uh, that are required.
take you to the next slide. There we go. So, these are new. The next slides I'm going to show you are new. These are all samples. These are unlabeled in this presentation. Are you just you're going
through the photographs right now? So why don't we just call the photograph package just identify how many you have and we'll identify that is exhibit 8. >> You want to mark them separately. They were with the submission but we can mark them separately. >> Yeah, we could do that. So why don't we start with A3? Just explain what that
is. >> Okay. I want to go through these very quickly. These are not of this project. These are of another project with similar level finishes. So th this is a project we did in Chattam New Jersey. It's called the Ivy. Um, it's got very similar amenities. It's got roof terraces. It's built over top of a
parking garage. Um, but, uh, it's got some great. This is just a lounge space. This is sheet A. What? Which what? Uh, >> so it's exhibit A3. Um, photograph of a um, >> lounge space >> of a lounge space. >> And you can see that there's a little bit of an outdoor amenity. You're
looking through from this lounge space. You can see another outdoor amenity outside the terrace. keeps going backwards. >> A4 >> A4. This is just a picture of a lot of uh a lot of co-work space that we have here. Um people, you know, they like to
lounge, go to they don't work from they work from home. They don't want to go into the office. There's a space in the building. they can get some work done privately, make a phone call, do a meeting, and then jump back out into uh into the community space. A5 is fitness. This is another great
fitness area. Lots of on demand stuff. You see the TV screens. They can actually set up classes. The TV is actually the class. It's sort of on demand. Um and a lot of great equipment for everybody to use. Wells sized for this size building.
As I was talking before, uh, a sports simulator. So, we have two shown in our in our plans. Uh, these are becoming more and more popular because it's not just golf. There's a lot of other sports you can play uh using the simulator. And
usually we put like a little lounge area right behind these. So, you can get a lot of friends and hang out and and play games together. Very social. A where we on a seven. This is just a picture of a pet spot. It's a great little area place for your leash. Put
your pet on a sink, wash them right at your level. You don't have to bend down in your tub or anything like that. It's very convenient, very popular amenity. This is just a picture of some sample outdoor amenity as well. Lots of dining areas, grilling areas. A8.
A9, you can see some little fire pits, lots of lounge seating. A10, similar uh shot. Lots of lots of lounge seating and grilling areas. A11. This is a sample of, you know, an outdoor screen or movie area. you do
like a movie night. Then another sort of bar area a 12 um showing additional seating. A great place to have a party. Nice countertop. You could get some catered event and uh have a nice a nice party here. Okay.
>> Everything's managed. If you do want to throw a party and you want to reserve a space, it's done through management. Yeah, you just reserve a time. I know that the the sports uh simulators are almost always booked in almost all these projects. They're very popular amenities.
So, this is the next level up. I you can sort of see that this is a fully enclosed courtyard right here. This is fully enclosed and then this one's open to the back where the pool is. So, you get views toward all the greenery in the back. There's an open area so we get
some twostory space below over the lounge and then the pickle ball courts. We get some twostory space the height is required for the pickle ball. >> What kind of noise suppression you have around the pickle ball court? >> It it will need it will require some
some sound attenu definitely some sound attenuation. You know we do a lot of uh a lot of the fitness centers really generate a lot of noise as well. Um so we have to do a similar thing there. So this is just a typical all the units
are here but at the top floor uh we get some additional um terrace space. So there's some outdoor terrace space that happens at the upper levels. Gets a better view out to the back. So we have a significant amount of
terrace space here for uh warm weather and and uh even the fringe seasons. we can get some um in those sort of covered areas, we can get some of those French fry heaters and extend the season in some of those areas. Now, for the roof plan, I'm showing just
a typical layout. We have lots of condensing units. All the units have their own uh system. So, the condensing units are up on the roof. They go down and connect to each unit. Uh we do have an additional amenity up here, although we're still researching whether it's
possible. We can't bring an elevator up to this level, but if this is just duplicate amenity of what's on other levels, we we believe that we're allowed to do that without elevator access, but we're going to confirm that. >> What is that? >> It's just an another amenity level on the roof.
>> Seating in particular. It's just >> It would be a deck with something I just showed you pictures of, maybe a small uh uh fire pit or TV area. Uh seating. We just think that the views are possible are much better if we can get it where we're going to do it.
>> So next, this is sheet A20. I don't know what's the exhibit. >> So we'll call it exhibit A13. >> Exhibit A13. So this is a view from South Orange Avenue looking at the building. We have lots of great amend
lots of great materials here. Brick, cast stone. We have metal panel and um you know around other areas we have some hardy cementitious siding all high quality durable materials. We feel it's
got a great look for the area. Um and you know you can see the garage below. We treat the fenestration in the garage just like we treat the rest of the building. So you're not seeing some you know garage that's uh obviously a garage. it. We try to activate it with
as much space as we keep the same fenestration so it looks really nice. >> This is sheet A21, exhibit A14. >> Yes, >> it's another shot from uh South Orange Avenue. Just looking from the opposite direction so you get a better idea of the massing. We do some steps at the top
of the build. At top of the building, sort of break the mass down. We we think that the building has a great rhythm. Your eye is never stuck on one large mass. It's always drawn over different interesting elements throughout the the building. This is just a blow up and a zoom in on
the entry. We think it's going to have a great feel, a really elegant feel as you drive up to the building. Um, and you can see here, you know, the signage, the only signage that we have on the building, it's right about in this area. >> So, that's exhibit A A15 and it's a2.
>> Okay. A4 >> A14 was sheet A21 colored. A15 is sheet A22 colored. >> And then the last exhibit is simply a material board showing the different
types of materials that we we have in the building. You know, obviously the brick, the cast stone, metal panel, they have storefront. It's all the amenity areas. um you know, grills at the garage level, but decorative grills, not going to they're not going to be just a you
know, grill or really nice decoration to them that look like the the fenestration that is on the building. Glass railings. We don't want to impede any of the nice views. So, we'll have some glass railings at the back uh of the of the project on the amenity area.
The slide immediately before that >> the two upper corners there are those just like patios associated with a unit. >> Correct. That's all they are. Yep. That upper unit we just and we thought help just pulling that space out helps break down the building rather than have those
hard corners at the entry. >> The building height was 65 ft. Is there any screening above that? >> So yeah, let me go back to the roof plan there. The parapit walls do extend up a little bit so you can't see any of the any of this equipment that's up on the roof. There's no way to see it. We keep
it at the center as well. If you see all of our condensing units are over the hallways and we do that for sound for one and also for visibility. We don't want you don't put the condensing unit at the edge of the building so it's visible. >> So how much higher does the screening go above the 65 ft?
>> Uh the parit walls vary. So they're going to vary between 1 foot and 4 and 1/2 ft. Okay. >> You turn that into an amenity level. Will the condensers moved? >> They're they'll be shown where they are, but we'll put some fencing up there so
we don't want, you know, them visible. >> Uh you had mentioned uh the dog spa, which is great. Uh is there a dog run on site? >> A dog run? Uh not. We weren't. It's not planned now. don't know that we don't have a dog run shown on site.
>> Okay. And then John, this might be a question for you. Uh with respect to the EV bikes, would the applicant be open to um making a lease restriction that the bikes can't be charged in the residential units,
>> but they have to be charged in the bike storage. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> There's always a question when it comes to these one or two bedrooms with a den. Like the dens have like is there oh door right that's what we had uh just most
recently talking about glass door is a door so you're making it into another bedroom type of >> fear so what what is the den >> we have a I did this test I talked with this board last month >> we would do like a a glass door we would put doors on we'd like because you know the den may be used for someone working
while someone else is sleeping you want to mitigate some of the sound or somebody's watching TV so we'd like to get glass doors on there it's not used as a bedroom a A lot of this is managed through the lease, you know, whether you what you can use it as and they do inspections periodically so that you
know people aren't getting over on on management. >> So the plan is to have a condition in the lease uh you know to not use these dens as bedrooms. >> Yes. >> No stacking. >> You said it conforms with the ordinance.
What is that? >> Is that specific to this project or is there a den definition? My question was does this >> should have my mic on. I don't know if this we had so many different ordinances associated with all these projects. I'm
trying to remember where we landed on this one. I know that we had percentage of the units can't have dens and then we have >> so long as they're not utilized for sleeping accommodations. >> I don't others that specifically said you couldn't have a door or closet. This one appears to only say
Yeah, I think the I think the um the 45 South Livingston Avenue had the specific number of languages as well. >> Okay, thank thank you chief. >> So, what does it say here? >> This one just says which may include dens and loss so long as they are not
utilized for sleeping accommodations. That's all it says. Whereas the other ordinance talked about no doors, no closets. >> Well, we can do that as a condition. That's just a glass door. Usually >> None of the deds have closets, right?
>> No. You know, I'd have to look through, but I'm pretty sure we didn't put closets in any of them. >> So, we make we Yes, we we could make it just a condition of just, you know, not you could just glass doors, no closets. >> We did something else. >> Yeah. >> Restrict, right?
That's fine. Any of our professionals have any other questions? Um, members of the board questions. You going to talk about signs? Uh, sign sizes. >> Uh, we did.
>> Mike did. I uh think I have >> Mike spoke to the monument sign uh that's out front which is fully compliant. >> I think we've got the sign over the door also compliant. >> We have a Yeah. sign over the door. >> All right. So So they're all in compliant with the with the ordinance
then. Okay. Yes. >> Correct. >> And all the condensers are on the roof. Is that >> That's correct. >> Every unit. >> Yep. And there's some RTUs for the corridors. They're a little bit bigger, but we keep them again centrally located.
>> And the affordable units have the same. >> Yep. >> The affordable units are spread out evenly through I mean exactly evenly throughout the >> They are and they're labeled they're labeled on our plans. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Anybody else? Any members of the public for questions of this witness as to his testimony? Seeing none, >> uh, that concludes our case, chairman. >> Well, let me see if there wrap up, John.
So, the the traffic light now, I don't know if this is for Gary. >> Sorry. The traffic light out front now is obviously geared towards the office timeline. So, h how's it going to work? Is is it going to be sensed when somebody's I mean you could have times
in an apartment building of this size for three hours nobody goes in or out. The light probably shouldn't be turning at all. >> It doesn't. It's an actuated signal. >> So it only responds to demand. >> Okay. Excellent. Even that will continue. Yeah. That was the way it was
designed. >> Somebody with a lot of influence must have gotten that blade approved. That would not happen. >> I was in junior high school. >> Peter, what what do you do with all the lawyers that were in there now?
>> You know, we don't need We don't need any more lawyers. >> Send them to the blue. >> There are plenty of jokes. >> We tossed in there. I'm certain of it. >> That's what the wetlands are for. Are there any members of the public that wish to make swords statements either in
support of or against the application? Seeing none, um, and no further questions from from the board. Um, any closing remarks? >> Uh, listen, uh, we think it's a terrific project. Uh, it is a project that's, uh, been envisioned since 2023. Uh, it is
part of your affordable housing plan. uh we think uh I I believe the team of professionals have really come up with a terrific design here uh for an application variance-free with the exception of how you interpret RSIS preeemption. Uh
>> I think we just play it safe and you know correct >> that's fine by us. That's why we took that approach and had testimony put in as well. Uh and with that we'd respectfully request that the board grant approval of the project. uh the parties parties having had the
opportunity to make closing statements. It appears to the chair of the applicant that all interested persons board members have had reasonable opportunity to be heard that the evidentiary record of this hearing ought to be closed. Uh absent objection and ab and in the absence of any motion for continuence,
the evidentary record is closed and no further testimony or evidence shall be heard or received. Uh the board members have an opportunity to state their and discuss their views on this application. Um I'd again like to thank Mr. Wiska the entire team to put together a good
application totally compliant. Uh personally believe that in a 100% residential the RSIS does preempt that having been said I think the proofs were made on the record uh to support a C2 variance and so you know as an abundance of caution uh I would
you know suggest we grant it whether it's necessary or not. I would add I tracked this so I think what you guys have done since the track has really been great. That process worked well. Um really uh some good
modifications and you know the amenity size for the number of units is really impressive. So um I could see you know where you're shooting in the demographic realm. Um and obviously we need the affordable credits. So,
I like it. >> Uh, so we can either have a motion to approve or disapprove. Give non-binding guidance for our attorney to prepare resolution for consideration. Uh, what's the board's pleasure? >> I think this is sufficiently straightforward. We can just go straight to the res approval. >> Motion to approve with the memorializing
resolution. >> So moved. >> Okay. So Barry's made that motion. Is there a second? >> Including the granting of the C2 variance if necessary. >> I'll second. >> Thank you. We have a um >> is this for the approval? Yes. So that we can we going through the conditions or not going through?
>> The conditions that we had was ebike not being uh uh charged in residential units, glass doors, no closets, uh lease restriction on the um >> on the dens ebikes not being allowed in the residential, not charged. >> Well, both. >> Mhm.
>> Um those were the conditions that I had. >> We also had modifications. Uh, John, your mic. >> John, your mic. >> I thought I was done. I thought I was done speaking. Sorry about that. Uh, we had also agreed >> his voice doesn't carry.
>> We never been accused of not speaking loudly enough. Uh, but, uh, yeah, Mr. Klein's comments on signage. Um, uh, we we agreed to, uh, to make those wayfinding or directional signs necessary, uh, and to, uh, to work with
the, uh, the board professionals. Yeah, I was that that was the other thing. Yeah, work with uh water sewer and engineering and traffic um for their to comply with their conditions. >> So that reasonable approach to all those conditions. >> So my mo motion is subject to all those
conditions. >> Thank you. >> Same. >> Thanks. >> I would just add and you don't have to make it a condition, but I would really look for a spot for a dog run. If you're going to have a dog spa and you you're going to hide demographics, you're going to have people with dogs.
>> They got hundreds of acres >> and there's nowhere else to go. New York Academy. >> We'll agree to take a look at it and make it happen if we can >> and any other condition we may have missed once we see the uh the transcript. Um so we have a motion and a
second. >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, alternate member wish new will be voting in place of abs absent member Diner. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Lewis, >> yes. >> Miss Foss, >> yes. >> Mr. Rebear, >> yes. >> Mr. Duffford,
>> yes. >> Mr. Batani, >> yes. >> Miss, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Santo, >> yes. >> Chairman Fernandez, >> yes. >> Thank you. Motion carries. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much everyone. Appreciate
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