Yes, >> you're on the air. >> Great. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the meeting of the Long Hill Township Planning Board. This is our regular meeting dated December 9th, 2025.
The time is 7:30 on the nose. Madam Secretary, would you mind reading us the not the notice? >> I would be happy to, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. >> Number one, call to order and statement of compliance. Adequate notice of this meeting or hearing has been provided by
posting a copy of the public meeting dates on the municipal bulletin board and website by sending a copy to the Echo Sentinel newspaper, and by filing a copy with the municipal clerk. Oh, I think I've had too much coffee today. >> Okay. >> Number two, >> standard board procedures. Any meeting
or hearing conducted by the board is a quasi judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision and decorum appropriate to a judicial meeting or hearing must be maintained at all times. Number three, electronic
devices. All in attendance are asked to mute cell phones or any electronic devices as to not interrupt the proceedings. Number four, pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all >> and I will take the role. Miss Dill >> present. >> Mr. Hans >> here. >> Committeeman Lavender is excused this evening. Mr. Lavario >> here. >> Miss Oens here. >> Mr. Alka >> here. Vice Chairman Jones is excused
this evening. Chairman Richardson. >> Yes, here. >> Chairman, we have a quorum. >> Great. Thank you very much. Okay. Again, welcome everyone. Uh our first order of business is uh we're chipping away at the minutes. So, we have uh the minutes
of May 13th, May 27th, June 18th. And I wish some of the nice weather had been blown into uh into the region for these the minute review. But hopefully everybody's had a quick chance. Uh if
you haven't, let's take a moment >> and there will be there will be two votes on June 18th because June 18th had an executive session. >> Correct. >> So I'll give you a moment to uh read through
>> see if you have any corrections >> the remaining >> just raise your hand. >> Could we do a consent agent? consent and just agree to them all. We have to do them one at a time. >> There's different attendants on the show. I think >> one at a time. >> Knew you're gonna be >> finicky. It's not take long. Do my job.
>> So, we'll just go through these one at a time. Right. >> Kick off May 13th first. >> I'm not seeing anything jumping out to me. >> No, nothing is fine for me. >> He looked. >> Okay.
>> So, we need a motion. A motion to approve the minutes of May 13, 2025 as written. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Great. >> Mr. Balco would abstain from that >> and so and so have I. >> Oh, you weren't here.
Yeah. >> Okay, let's go on to May 27. >> So, Miss Ojins will not be voting on this one. >> Correct. Other than it says the Black Bull Steel House instead of Steakhouse. >> Oh, very
>> when you Oh, you're the He's the best reviewer ever. >> Holy cow. >> Break out the award. >> But that correction >> kind of like that name. >> Steal. >> Yeah, but that's not even That's not the correct word.
>> That's like I'm stealing something. Not >> s t e l. Yeah. Right. >> And under number eight resolution. >> Oh, you are there. I put you. >> It has me voting, but I wasn't there. >> Oh, you weren't there. You're right. Thank you. >> Uh, and yes, just missions, right?
>> Yeah. >> Wait, Mr. Mr. Lavier. Yes. Okay. >> Lavender. >> I got a couple typos under number nine. Uh, below where it says Robert and Sam Lore. Y
>> uh space between the two spelled out and the parenthesis for two. >> Okay, thank you. >> Got that. And then uh Mr. Skolnick's last name is spelled incorrectly. >> Oh, look at that. >> Y >> n i k instead of n i >> to find typos.
>> If the only problem is typos, you got good minutes. >> That's right. That was a late meeting. We didn't even take a recess during that meeting. >> That is true. >> So, going back in time looking at these minutes, right? >> If you really want to get like annoying
with it, I guess you could uh capitalize ordinance on under number 10, but on the line that says Vice Chairman Jones. >> Vice Chairman Jones. Sure, I could do that. >> Yeah, I'm really grasping. >> I think I usually do, but
It's like a title, I guess. >> Consistency. >> Exactly. My English teacher would uh >> 100% I'm with you. >> On the hand. She saw it. >> Good. Do we have a motion? >> Motion to accept as
>> amended. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> And that was May 27th minutes, right? >> Yes. Yep. >> We're good. >> All in favor? >> Second. >> Oh, was there a second?
>> Okay. All in favor? >> I miss being recused. >> And I think um on the June 18th I was um recused from the executive session. So I
probably >> Oh, yes. You you don't >> were you I was I I couldn't remember if before the meeting I was >> correct. >> So all right so I'm going to >> I was at the meeting but I >> I'm not at the executive >> because we had two because this was the second one though. Are you sure?
>> Was this the second? >> This was the second special we had on litigation. >> I believe that you were included in this one. I'll check my notes. >> Okay. >> But it was the first one in April. >> Your status changed. >> Right. Your status changed because in April you were definitely recused. I went back through the minutes. The
second that I was there, I moved on up. >> Yeah. >> It was so memor it was so memorable, Pam, that you just memorable. >> Correct. Okay. >> Okay. We're on to June 18th. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Because I even think you I think
you voted to go into session that in that meeting. Pam, wait. Hold on. >> Motion made by Command Lavender. >> Oh, Committ Yeah, Committee Lavender. Yes. I see her in the unanimous votes section. Is it? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Chris, just so just so you know, I
did look so the last two this executive session and then the one prior. >> In the last line of the resolution, it says once executive session is adjourned, the regular meeting will also be adjourned as the board will conduct no further business upon conclusion of the executive session.
>> Right. >> So, and we did that specifically with that language so that I could close out. >> No further business. Yeah. >> Correct. So, I could close out here. >> That's good. Yeah. >> And then close out of session. >> Perfect. >> As long as no actions >> because you and I spoke about that the second. >> No, that's good. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
>> Yeah. As long as no actions making clear no action is going to be taken, I suppose there's no issue. >> Okay. Anybody have anything? >> Okay. Motion to accept the June 18th, 2025 minutes. I'll make a motion to accept the meeting minutes from June
18th as written. >> That's regular s the special meeting portion. >> The special >> we have to do executive separate special meeting. Excuse me. >> All right. So the special meeting. Okay. Motion made. Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> except for Teresa. There you go. Okay.
>> Now on to executive for June 18th. Hang a second. What am I missing? >> It's funny to me that sometimes we even have to >> she was a special meeting, wasn't it? >> It was a special meeting. >> It was a special.
>> Yeah. Everyone was doing specials to get ahead of that. >> Yeah. To get ahead of it. >> We had your schedule. >> I think I had a different one that night, too. That's why I wasn't That's why >> that's the And then the next one after which is where I'm still filling in the blanks is where I was absent for the
actual >> right >> hearing. That's right >> on the affordable housing. Yeah. >> So >> I guess because it's separate. The only thing is I guess it's assumed that everybody who's in attendance in the special meeting is in the executive
meeting. Uh well, let's see. By the roll call from the um from the resolution that states who went into executive session. >> Okay. All right. Just >> I mean I'm happy to add it. >> No record of who was in the executive.
>> I'm happy to add it if you wish. >> I don't know. >> Wouldn't hurt. >> Is it? Yeah. I think it's good practice. >> Sure. >> Personally, just because looking back on those five, >> I think Yeah. >> Well, you technically have the resolution going into run out of but but nevertheless, yeah, it's not not a bad
>> I'm happy to add that. That's easy. It makes it look fuller on the page. >> Especially if it's called out separately, >> right? >> All right. So, this would be a motion to accept as amended. >> Yep. >> Oh, one other typo. >> Oh, I may second paragraph, second line down
>> to discuss affordable housing, including >> the >> the draft. >> There you go. >> Got to contribute something. >> Thank you. >> Got it. >> That's all I got. >> No, your turn's next with the resolution. put on the fire after that. >> Oh, >> okay.
>> If you if you're going to be be like that >> should that should element afterwards double double the elements. What do you think? >> Housing element and fair share plan. >> And then we say >> well the document is actually called that's the actual title of the document.
>> Then the next line next paragraph say housing element and fair share plan. Oh, that I should take element out there. >> So, we should have a one up here. >> I think that the formal name is housing element is one thing and fair share plan is a different >> correct, >> right? So, the element >> element should be
element on the second element on the third paragraph. Yes. >> It's funny when when this was coming up, I was like, you know, doing involved in the process, so to speak, and I saw I was like, is the fair share plan like an element of the master plan? Technically, it is, but it's not called that, >> right? And we combine them into one
document. So, it even more confusing, >> right? >> Yeah. Thank god all that's over, right? I mean, at least the next 10 years and we'll see what happens >> next go around. >> Okay. Are we ready to make a motion to accept the
executive session minutes June 18th >> as amend as amended? >> Is that a motion? Motion to approve it. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
except Miss Dill because she wasn't here. >> Except Miss D. Correct. >> And then the rest I'm going to I'll send to you hopefully before the end of the year in the reorg so you can have time to catch my typos >> and finish up the year. Right.
>> That's right. >> Okay. Uh moving right along. Uh we have a res resolution to uh review and comment on. It's been passed. It's just a matter of now agreeing to the wording of the
resolution for the Gracio Holdings LLC. This is application number 25-16P. >> All right, guys. I'm in the hot seat. know it. All right. And I add a couple of minor things and then one just questionable
>> uncertainty on my part on the questionable one. Um just a suggestion under exhibit page four I think it is >> exhibit B2. >> Yes.
>> It doesn't say who presented it. Should that also be >> they were introduced into evidence on behalf of the board. You look at the whereas clause. >> Yeah. Taken by board. So we just we don't care about who >> Well, she >> brought them. She took it. >> Yeah. She took it. Yeah. So we're just
>> So it doesn't matter. This should be capitalized actually. >> I know board should be capitalized. Board member >> which should be capitalized. Where? >> Yeah. Page four, exhibit B1. Uh second line down there taken by board member. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yep. Okay. >> So to the same point, just for for my own education,
>> if they're introduced, we don't need to specify who introduced them. >> It's the board introducing it. That's why >> on behalf of the board. >> Yeah. Because technically, you know, board members aren't parties to the case. So I try to steer clear of play. >> No, just that's fine. That's fine.
>> Actually on that I just noticed on on B2 that's a typo on my end. But bottom line it should be undated and unattributed. >> Oh yeah. >> And >> oh yeah. >> So when you start looking at stuff you see stuff. >> Then
just I just have a question but if anybody else has got some other stuff first. questions before typos. I just want to make sure the the share parking they say construct share parking lot
is the just I'm just trying to remind myself is the share parking for all three properties or is it just for the two new ones even though it was taken the land from the >> Yeah, it was just for if I recall correctly what they it was just for uh
lot one that was the all the way to the south >> with the building on it and 2.01 which is being created by virtue of it was the middle lot basically and then we're carving off a portion of the rear >> right >> of three >> correct >> and adding it to two to make 2.1
therefore making it connect to the other what was it Union >> street yeah you got that >> so that and on the first page you know construct a shared parking lot to the rear of the subject property you know it's accurate because it's the
subject property it's going to be in the rear Yeah, of >> the entire >> three tracks of land. >> And then we talk later on about it being share parking for the two new >> the two building lines, >> two parts of the two new but yeah
>> it and there was no additional parking there for and then this new share parking for >> Yeah, they were maintaining the gravel parking lot. >> Gravel for that. Yeah. I just want to make sure it wasn't it was it was as clear as possible. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you for just double checking
me there. And then this is minor. This is just a minor thing >> on page nine. We talk about towards the first under section 22 towards the end. >> Mhm. >> This is this is just a minor thing. >> Yeah.
>> Proposal would revitalize two underutilized commercial properties. >> Yes. >> One already has a building on it. So I'll just just me do I question it's underutilized or just the one is underutilized or just >> I think if I remember recall the
testimony was that that building wasn't being used or it was like it was older, you know, it was an old condition. So I guess it's been used by the hair so long, right? >> Right. Yeah. >> Well, was also said accessory structure on a property that had no primary use. So that's why >> Yeah. So
>> it's just me. Do I think it's underutilized or not? Is it one underutilized or two? Am I just being picky? >> I guess I mean it's it's like fully used. >> Yeah. But the property itself, therefore, I would consider it to be underutilized because it's doesn't have a primary use on it.
>> Well, that's the one with the garage on it. The >> That's the one you're talking about. >> Talking about the one with the building. >> No, not the salon. >> Oh, you're talking about the Oh, the actual building. >> Yeah, the one that we knocked down and Pam saved. >> Oh, >> parts of it. >> Guard. Well, I I would say that by virtue of
developing a mixed use with one possibly two new commercial spaces as well as two apartments plus a parking lot by comparison. >> So, it's just underutilized for what it could be is what you're trying >> essentially. Yeah. >> You could just take out the word
underutilized. >> I I'm just being I'm just being picky. I just No, I don't mind either way. >> You could have it read proposal would revitalize two commercial properties. Yeah. Yeah. >> The fact of the matter is is that it's revitalizing the two properties. Underutilized is more of just a >> then get rid of the word under because
that's a subjective. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Yeah. Scratch that. >> Thank you. Sorry to be picky. >> There you go. >> That for me those are the comments I had. >> Dev tracking these or you want me to Okay, perfect.
on page six, number six, with regards to the trash enclosure. I think what I recall in that uh discussion, it was moving closer to Union Street, not Main Avenue, >> moving it across the parking lot.
>> Closer to that entrance. >> Wait, Maine is the main you are right on that. Good point. >> Yeah, good catch. Good catch. >> So, wait. So the applicant would relocate proposed credit to be closer to Maine. >> No, closer to Union. >> Closer to Union says closer to Maine and
we're saying it's closer to >> and I don't know is that specific enough. I mean he pointed to the area. I guess it's >> Yeah. Well, that's so that's just number what paragraph six does is just summarizing right >> what Mr. Lanzama testified to. But I think there was a condition on this one.
>> Oh, I think it's the word the word site there doesn't have to be capitalized either. We'll fix that. >> Proposed sight lighting. >> Yeah, I guess not. It doesn't not necessarily deal. >> All right, let's let's just make sure because there is a trickle effect. >> Yeah. And then page 12 um number Roman
numeral 11. Applicant shall relocate the proposed trash enclosure should be two, not row, >> right? >> The northern end of the proposed parking area on lot one and proposed lot 2.0. It's so easy to find spelling networks when you start looking at things for the
first time. >> Wait on 11. So the applicant shall relocate the proposed trash to the northern end of the proposed parking area. >> Yeah. >> Is that >> is that right on the northern end? Yes. >> Yes. To the northern end. >> Northern end. That's fine. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So that's dasis. Okay. >> That's fine. >> I mean >> that is toward Union Street, >> right? If you want to make it consistent with what you did in the other place, you might add closer to Union Street. >> So at least Union Streets in both statements. >> I think I would agree with that. >> Put in parentheses or something.
>> Whatever. >> The applicant shall relocate the proposed trash enclosure too, not row. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Bob, you have more typos, right? >> No. Now >> the row was one of them. >> Okay. >> So he he caught one. There was
>> I just have a small one on page 11. Uh 31 and 32 call it the grass paper area. Six calls it the green paper area. >> Grass paper area. >> It's called the green the grass pavers. I think grass.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, this is Oh, okay. Grass instead of green, right? >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There was one other thing. >> Let's see on on page five.
Uh number four, uh Roman numeral six. Mhm. >> Says a m masonry trash enclosure is proposed to the southeast corner of the site where it could easily be and it says access. It should say accessed.
>> Right. >> Right. >> And then I noticed the Roman numerals. >> Yes. You got to start. Okay. And you got >> And then the Roman numeral numbers are off. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. 56 >> cuz you got two. So you got a >> two other attorneys reviewed this too.
I I used to review documents by reading them backwards. >> Yeah. >> To find spelling errors, >> right? >> And even then >> I'd miss them. >> You definitely are. >> All right. So, ending in it should end on 12, not 11. >> Correct. >> Correct. Okay.
>> And I think let's see. I mean, if we're going like really small here, like, you know, a comma after Don Richardson when there's not one after Deborah like I'm just saying that was my fault. I wasn't doing that. All right. So, there was one other
>> I like a comma. >> There's a couple of parts from question mark >> on on page nine. >> Number 24, >> Roman numeral two. >> It says, "The applicant proposes only a
modestly excessive volumes It's either only a modestly excessive volume of building or you take out the A. >> And I think that's what you want to do. So it should be the applicant proposes only modestly excessive volumes of
building. Oh, so take out the A and leave the volume. >> Okay. Yeah, that's right. >> Pretty good. >> And the there are no second numbers on the bottom of the pages. Mine >> I mine had >> Oh, I think Yeah, I I fixed that. Page
nine. It should be nine of four. Yeah, I fixed that. >> I figured I caught that pretty obvious. >> And you got the row on page 12. That was it. >> This is just me. What's massing? M A- SS
I N G. It's uh on page nine, number 25. It's one, two, three, four, five. Six seventh line environment by limiting the massing >> between improvements is that like just
>> that's like how much how much building >> building >> area mass >> threedimensional space is being occupied. >> It's a real word. >> It is a real Yeah. Yeah. >> It is a real word. Yes. >> Yes. Or a real word using the right
place. Even better. >> Even better. >> When I too first heard that term, I was like, is this a real thing? >> Yeah. >> Guess it makes sense. You know how much >> right >> how much ver, you know, >> threedimensional space is being occupied
by a building plays into the detriments associated with, you know, setback variance for example or you know, >> okay, have we budging this thing enough? >> I think so. I don't think that horse is set enough >> as amended. >> Yay. >> Sold.
>> Sold. >> Second. >> I second. >> All right. Miss Dill. >> Yes. >> Mr. Opala. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hans. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laario. >> Yes. >> Miss Ojins. >> Yes. >> Chairman Richardson. >> Yes. >> Motion carries.
>> Good. Can I ask a dumb question? I'm sorry. Is Mr. Mitchell still on the board? I could see. >> No. I keep taking it out. You put him on. >> It's okay. >> I never got the memo. I didn't know what. Yeah, >> it's okay. Yeah, I've been taking him out of all the the roll call and the Yeah, >> he's still on on this. At least on my cop, he's still on the signature block. Maybe you took him out.
>> Oh, I Yeah, you might have taken him out. >> I took him out. Yeah. >> Okay, good. Okay. >> And you had him in the be it further resolved for >> he was gone, but I didn't want to be like that guy. I thought he got sick or something. I don't know. >> I I've just been taking it out. It's all there.
>> Okay. So, uh, moving right along on, uh, we're on, uh, agenda item number eight, ordinance review. Uh, I think in lie of our of Captain Orc, who's absent this, uh, uh, evening, I do want to have her
offer if people have uh, if the board has some comments they'd like to share on the houses of worship, we can discuss that. But here's my plan is I would like to get kind of give you a little more time and and get comments so that when
Liz is here in our next meeting, >> we will be able to, you know, ask questions. Obviously, Chris, you were involved as well. >> Uh, and then vote on it and I guess it'd be the second meeting most likely in January. >> I'll I'll just add to that time frame.
So the the township committee's reorg meeting on January 7th, they do not do ordinance review period, >> right? >> Which gives us a little leeway because we meet then >> on the 13th. We do do we do do business
at our reorg once we finish the reorg procedures. >> So in lie of that, that's why if you have any comments for houses of worship, feel free to send them to me or to Tom so that we can review it. And then I did give everybody a proposed just for you
know thought process. This is basically the fee ordinance. This is one thing that um I would like to we kind of need to vote on at the next meeting too in the reorg meeting to get this to the township committee because um for those who have not who
I've not complained to I'm you know I I find myself running out of money on a very frequent basis >> and our board professionals can attest I'm not very good at chasing after it. So, I'm doing my best, but so we need to But in in all honesty, I don't think the
fees here have been raised for probably 10 years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> At minimum. So, I've been here for eight now. And so, um, feel free to review this. I did put a line item because one of the items that I want to put on our our to-do list for next year is to
discuss food trucks. M >> um there currently is no way to regulate what food trucks are on private properties. >> So my suggestion is that we as the planning board suggest an an ordinance
that regulates you know or not necessar I don't want to say the word regulates it but basically set up a zoning application for a flat. So, let's say the lobster truck over by the um the >> oak flour. >> Oak. Well, no, >> that's public. That's public vote.
>> But well, that's public, so that doesn't count. No, the the lobster truck goes over by the liquor store, >> sometimes the bagel store, both places, >> right? So, >> the situation with food trucks on private property right now is we don't have So, the one by Oakflower is
regulated. They they submit to the clerk and it's public and everything else. >> Okay. >> On private property, >> well, there there's nothing if they they can't stay there overnight because then it would be considered a secondary use. They'd have to get a use variance. They can't stay in there
permanently. >> But, you know, the these trucks have been so frequent. There's been a lot of talk about we should have a zoning review for it in that they come like just like a regular zoning application, permit application to me as the zoning
officer. The a zoning permit generally is $100 anyway. Mhm. >> And then I would be requesting, okay, so you're registering the lobster truck and you can have it as me, you know, for the year of 2026, you can have it there. So the next year, >> so it's an annual, >> correct?
>> An annual fee to register whatever truck you want to have. >> Are you issuing a permit? >> Yeah. >> I would issue a permit. >> To whom? The owner or the truck owner? >> Well, the board could decide that. It could be dual. It could be It would probably be to the truck.
>> The truck owner. probably the truck owner. >> So, they have to get one >> permit for the whole of the township. >> Correct. >> And that can that would confirm two things as far as zoning. It would confirm a that they're not going to be there overnight. They know the rules and b that there is adequate parking in
these parking lots where they're going on private parking >> because you know when somebody comes to us with a minor site plan, we review parking. when somebody comes to me with a commercial a new tenant you know whether it be what depending on the use I have to review the parking >> to confirm it's adequate
>> but they have to do that now for public right >> they don't no public they don't no >> be exempt from zoning it's on public so what they do I thought you said they had to do something for public >> no they go b they basically go to the township committee or I think there's a there's a registration pro process
through the clerk's office for public land >> so if I was the lobster truck I would have to do that for the public. So I'm doing it any I'm doing it >> correct and now you're just saying it go parking lot right now you're going to say well you why you doing as if >> on private property
>> so it's not an inconvenience my point is it's not an inconvenience to come and do two permits at the same time as opposed to oh my gosh this is something you do I think that's fine >> hold on can I can I pause so we talking about something that's going to be there long term or like let's say I'm having a party in my my house and I want to have
a food truck come in are you envisioning that >> no because long but when you're saying long term What do you mean? Because if you're having a >> for a party >> for a party, they're come they're not parking they that's private res. >> I'm thinking there's a situation like where in my town New Egypt there's a a
like a Mexican food truck and they go there's a parking lot >> with um you know it's like a liquor store. It's a small little shopping closet and this guy parks his thing there. >> You know he's there one day he goes to the parking lot of Chihuahua. The other side >> another day he like he's shifting
around. So it's more like a >> you know I guess quasi temporary. That's the thing. It's it's not like a permanent situation but he's there long term. >> How does he park overnight? >> I think he does sometimes. >> So I would say no. That would be a site plan application because that's
secondary use on a commercial property. >> So I I guess but if you're going to be So I guess that's what you're saying, right? If they're somebody's going to be there for a long more than like one night, let's say >> or even a weekend, who knows? This would this would clearly one of the conditions would clearly be that I would recommend
that we don't allow anybody to stay overnight >> because currently we haven't they haven't been. >> That's right. That's right. >> It's just simply a a yearly permit to to many days of the week, but you can't stay overnight. If they were to go overnight, that's a whole different >> But you're talking about committing to a
location. >> No, no. the township any but is the whole if it's a zoning thing then it's more so I guess it's presumed that it's more of like a per not >> commercial long-term thing >> commercial properties as opposed to residential >> 100% because yeah residential
>> any commercials that up yeah >> it's any commercial property for the year $100 yeah >> and if it's going to be multiple I don't have a problem I mean and again this is something we can discuss as the board if it's multiple problems because the >> the other uh convenience store
>> I don't know what that location is called. He does trucks there a lot, too. >> Yeah. >> And so if you have the same vendor that's going to go back and forth, I if that if that vendor says to me, you know, certain amount of date, I I'm fine with a flat fee for anywhere in town on commercial as long as I know or we know
>> that again there's adequate parking and put the condition. >> Oh, yeah. If there's a deficient parking totally, >> so if the lobster truck says, "Well, you know, I'm going to be at three different commercial properties within the year." Okay, great. Flat $100. We know where he's going to be. >> That's fun. >> What about like on a construction site,
the coffee trucks that show up? >> They're not usually they're not usually the same size or I mean we can discuss that for sure. >> Yeah, I think we're we're getting into a lot of the details. So Deb, what would be great is if because you have a lot of knowledge around this, Eric, could you
just articulate an email to Tom% >> and just so he captures this in his tracking sheet, we get it in the queue. Tom and I Tom and I spoke to Ed Gre and uh of the zoning board and Tom Groskoff too. >> I think you've got a lot of good insight and comments. I think let's frame out
>> we're gonna make an actual list. >> That'd be good. >> Like a priorities to start with because you know one of I want to go back to sheds. >> Yeah. >> Our our favorite topic. >> Can I just make a suggestion? Can I have a preferred commercial of British food and they only have they only have $50
fee? They only have a $50 fee. >> You're going to have to find a fish and chips. I need a fish and chips. >> I think it comes with $50. >> There's a section in the shop, right? Don't push it. >> Just going back, guys. Let's refocus back on the schedule of fees.
>> As far as these fees, have we done any comparison to neighboring towns? >> I've done a few. Yes. So, what I will do for the reorg kind of in the market, so to speak, I don't want >> It's very much in the market. And what I will do for the reorg is I will give you a spreadsheet of comparable
>> communities and a couple of different neighboring towns would be helpful just so that we're right. >> I will for sure. >> So I'm just looking at one of them for concept review. >> The old lap fee was 325 and your new one says 200.
>> Is that not supposed to be lower? >> I mean I lowered it because honestly first of all we hardly. >> So you think it should be lower? We I really think it should be lower because I honestly we don't really do per se concept reviews. What we have been doing in this past several years
is especially in situations where the boards can't meet with these applicants prior because a lot of these applications are on the cusp. They don't know whether they're going to the zoning board or the planning board. >> So what they'll do is they'll just send us some plans. They'll give me an escrow
deposit because our professionals don't work for free >> and then we gather. So if they want to file an actual concept, I mean it's almost like >> Yeah. >> Okay. So >> one of my other towns, they they have a joint board, right? So maybe it's a little bit different there, but they
have a concept review process where you file an application with the board. You come in and ordinance is very clear. Nobody's bound by any anything that's ever said, right? >> And the applicants can kind of get a flavor for what, you know, what might happen should they end up going to an application hearing. So that's something
to consider potentially. >> Well, that's I think the way it's written in this too is that that's why I lowered it too because it doesn't really it almost doesn't make a difference because we put that whatever they've paid for that will go into what they paying for an application should they go forward. >> Right. Right. >> If that makes sense. So it's kind of
>> But you're saying don't charge them if they're just coming for concept or >> I don't know. So, at least for commercials, I think you should because you know >> I know I it's it it you know it's something I'd probably I'd like to discuss a little further with the board, you know, and I can >> Well, for what it's worth, I don't think the board should have to eat the cost
of, you know, Joe and me. >> Well, that's why that's why I collect the escrow for sure >> because I'm not going to have you guys meet with an applicant and give advice without paying your bills, >> right? Yeah. So, I'm to I'm torn with even even putting a fee there only because like I
said, we haven't we we don't really have a formal >> concept plan, you know, if if if somebody wants to discuss their concept. >> I collect the escrow, we go, you know what I mean? So, >> I mean, I can definitely start collecting a fee just for revenue. Um,
I'll I'll do a little more research in that area from other towns, too, to see what they do. So, but interestingly enough, if you look at, for instance, the variance, the bulk variances I wanted to note. >> So, um I just slightly, you know, suggested raising the the the fees
because whether in this partic in our town, whether it's one v like bulk variance or 10, >> it's a flat fee. >> So, and again, these fees haven't been raised in over 10 years. So that's just a slight increase, but I and I'm only taking the commercial, I mean the
residential escro deposit up just slightly. And the reason being is because the zoning board is going to very much in 2026 is going to try to work very closely with myself and the board attorney to not have to involve our planner and our engineer
>> that we and when we don't need to because >> Liz has stated that most municipalities >> they don't use a planner on residential applications period >> unless it's a use variance. I mean there are definitely certain circumstances or if it's a multifamily you know or
there's definitely circum circumstances where you would >> but for general for what we see bulk variances impervious coverage you know and Joe's basically been cutting his reviews back and basically saying listen >> the township has ordinances in places for lock rating >> right
>> so no it doesn't really matter what the the board's reviewing you know the addition or this that and the other well they still have to follow all the lock rating procedures when they file for permits, >> right? >> So, that's why I didn't raise the escrow that much on the residential side
because >> we're going to try to cut back unnecessary review for the residents if that makes sense. >> Not to toot my own horn, but I could I think I'm equipped to explain to the board, you know, if it's a side or setback. >> 100%. Absolutely.
>> Yeah. But I think I don't know if it needs to be said in ordinance or anything, but I think the board should still have the ability that let's say some crazy thing pops up that we're not aware of. >> Oh, yeah. >> Ahead of time, you know, let's put an adjournment on this and we'll get Liz in here to >> Well, either that or let's just say like there's a lot of times when the zoning
board will want Liz or Joe to review landscaping, >> right? >> So, if that's the case, well, then we can bring them in after the fact. >> Yeah. Exactly. Make it. >> Exactly. >> Makes sense. >> So, things like that. But >> yeah, that's a good idea. >> That's that's it. But yeah, commercial.
Yeah. Yeah, that had to be raised pretty, you know, because I'm getting killed trying to pay bills. >> That makes sense in commercial. >> Yeah. >> So anyway, so if you have any questions, feel free to let me know. We'll review this again at Reorg. I will have some
comparison notes for you as well >> to send just so you could see what the neighboring towns. >> Perfect. And then you'll um uh you'll send some information over to Tom with regards to the food truck >> that Yeah, that might not be the first part of the year, but within the first month. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But I just don't want to lose some of your thoughts. >> Oh, no. For sure. For sure. >> How many open spots do we have right now? Just one. >> How many what >> open spots on the board? Just one, right? >> You have one spot here. >> We We don't have alternate positions on this board, right?
>> I always thought it was kind of odd. No, the open spot is class one for the mayor's designate right now. >> We used to have alternates. >> H >> Oh, you did? >> Oh, yeah. >> I was an alternate first time I came. >> Really? I think I >> may not. It may not be true. It was
eliminated about 10 years ago. >> You got called into the big leagues. >> I can't remember if I was. It was just that same time >> they called you out from the minor >> something. I can't remember. Something along those lines. Tell me Patriots to the long time ago. something with food
trucks and getting um a health department certificate and a fire department certificate. So, >> but they don't get a permit. They just get >> correct. They they absolutely have to have their health the health department
>> and they ask so Don Huber, who's our fire official here in town, he inspects every food truck. >> Oh, really? >> Every time it comes on property, everyone. >> Really? Even on the weekends if so if Oakflower has whatever they have every day he's out there he inspects it 100%.
>> Every time they show up. >> Every time they show up. >> So we Is that something we would put in the ordinance too? >> I don't know that we could do that because that's kind of a I think that's a permit. >> That's either in the general ordinance >> policing power, >> right? Or policing power or in and
that's maybe a state regulated thing. I'm not sure. >> I think it's probably a combination. I'm sure there's state things they have to meet too, but I know like thinking back to my old tent committee days. I remember we used to have food trucks come in and there was a permit you'd have to get from the governing body, >> right, >> when you have to come in. So, I don't
recall it being a ladies thing. But I guess they were never like there for more than a day. So, it didn't really make sense, >> right? >> How would we even know though? I mean, unless somebody said, "Oops, I saw this truck and I didn't see a >> Oh, it happens all the time that you know. I mean, you know, it's unless
somebody called. I mean, I'd say that the majority of vendors absolutely follow the rules because they don't want to lose their businesses. >> You can only do so. >> I mean, this is their this this is their revenue. This is what you know, and so far from my my conversations with Don
Huber and, you know, Oakflower and the Hilt. I mean, the few times I they're very they're always very cooperative and >> you know, they don't want to hurt their own business. >> That makes sense. >> So, >> all right. So we will have some healthy
discussions I'm sure around these into the new year. So thank you. Okay. Uh any old or new business anybody wants to share or has >> since the first meeting 26
>> uh the 13th >> uh Tuesday the 13th >> the first Tuesday. >> Okay. Uh, hearing none, then I believe we need to have a motion to go into executive session. >> Yeah. A motion, second, roll call, and then I think there's a resolution that
has >> Yes, I can I I can read the resolution prior to >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Resolution Open Public Meetings Act executive session. Whereas NJSA 104-12, the Open Public Meetings Act, permits
the exclusion of the public from a meeting in certain circumstances. And whereas it is necessary for the planning board of Long Hill Township to discuss in a session not open to the public certain matters relating to the item or items authorized by NJSA 10 col4-12B7
and designated below. Now therefore be it resolved by the planning board of Longhill County of Morris state of New Jersey as follows. Number one, the public shall be included excluded from the discussion of the here and after specified subject matters. Number two, the general nature of the subject
matters to be discussed are matters falling within the attorney client privilege to the extent that confidentiality is required in order for the attorney to exercise his ethical duties as a lawyer. Should I take since you're not going to be sitting in on this >> it should say uh to discuss personnel
matters which I think >> okay I'll change >> to discuss personnel. Okay, >> unless you want me to stay but I don't think you want to. >> Yeah, that's that was the only question that I had with that. Okay, number three. It is anticipated that the deliberations conducted in close session may be disclosed to the public upon the determination of the planning board that
the public interest will no longer be served by such confidentiality. Number four, this resolution shall take effect immediately. And then once the executive session is adjourned, the regular meeting will also be adjourned as the board will conduct no further business upon the conclusion of the executive
session. So we now need a a motion and a second and a roll call to go into executive session. If I can make a quick suggestion just at the end, just have it also state uh no something along the lines of the board will not be taking any action upon exiting. Exactly. >> I did I say that further business. Oh, so further business or action.
>> Yeah. Got to have the magic words. >> No problem. >> I'm serious. Yeah. >> Done. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Otherwise, good. Yeah. And then when you guys are done, just make sure you do motion second. Roll call on exiting. And then I guess for good measure,
motion second on adjournment, too. Yeah. >> Yeah. We always do that. >> Very sharp. >> Good. >> Okay. Do we have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Okay. >> Mr. Opala. >> Yes. >> Miss Tilt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hanss.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Lavarario. >> Yes. >> Miss Ojins. >> Yes. >> And Chairman Richardson. >> Yes. >> Right. Did I get everybody? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. I just wanted to uh also wish everybody on the board in public and also everybody out in the public a safe
and peaceful holiday >> and we'll see you in the new year. >> Sounds good. >> Thank you. >> Christmas. >> Thank you. >> Let me just close this out.