I think I'll go back outside and walk to the path. >> All right, Grace, get ready. >> Get it going. Let's go quick. Do this one. Let's see. >> Yeah, I show up, right? >> All right. You ready? >> It's unusual. >> As soon as you're ready, I think. It's unusual that you knew I was right.
>> Usually you find out after I'm right. >> Ready. >> Both of us. See, I now know what it means. >> All right. To call to order the August 13, 2025 Long Township Committee meeting. Say everybody to rise for the
pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Madam clerk,
>> in compliance with the open public meetings act of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting, specifically the time, date, and public call and information were included in the meeting that was electronically sent to the echo sentinel Morris daily record and posted on the township website. The agenda and public handouts for this meeting can be
viewed online at www.longhillnj.gov. A public comment period will be held in the order. It is listed on the meeting agenda. >> Committeeman Lavender >> present. >> Committeewoman Riker Eline >> present. >> Committeeman Verza will not be joining us tonight. Deputy Mayor Persian.
>> Mayor Dorsy >> here. All right. So, first things first, I'd like to turn the uh meeting over to Lieutenant Chamberlow who is going to introduce to us Officer Longo. Oh, you need the battery. >> Well, you can use that. >> I got this. I got this. I got
>> How does that thing use so much battery power? It's ridiculous. >> Yeah, drains. >> The drains like >> Good evening. Tonight, we're going to welcome our newest officer, Daniel Longo. Daniel Longo came as a transfer from Orange Police Department where he served there for two years. He was on
their emergency response team there. In addition, he went to Bergen County College, William Patterson University. He was a armorer and a firearms instructor. He
also served with the Marine Corps and he was an infantryman and a machine gun team leader. He has a great deal of tactical experience that he's bringing to our police department. And we'd like to welcome him up now with his family to be sworn in.
Okay, they could still >> do the make a motion for >> which resolution 25. >> All right. Make a motion to approve resolution 25-195. >> So So moved, Mr. Mayor.
>> Second. >> Second. >> Committeeman Lavender. >> Yes. >> Committeewoman Riker Eline. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Persia. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. Yes. >> So, you're going to repeat after me.
She's right. Yes. That way or the other way? The other way. >> Right arm. Right arm up. >> Right arm up. switch. >> There we go. Okay. I state your name. I, Daniel Longo, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of
the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and the Constit Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and that I will bear true faith and allegiance >> and I will bear true faith and allegiance >> to the same >> to the same >> and to the governments established >> and to the governments established >> in the United States >> in the United States
>> and in this state >> and in this state, county, and township >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> and that I will faithfully >> and partially partially and justly >> impartially and justly >> perform all the duties of police officer >> perform all the duties of police officer >> according to the best of my ability
>> according to the best of my ability. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. You come sign this. Okay, that's fine. Congratulations. >> Welcome. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for
recommending that rebel. >> Thank you. >> Oh, yeah. You say rebel. >> Congratulations. >> That's okay. >> Oh, good. >> He did. >> And we love him. >> Second day. You
all the state stuff. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Common in town when somebody gets hired for all everybody to come. >> They try to try. >> Depends on how big the town is. You take a picture of that. >> What's that? You take a picture.
>> None of them really require explanation. >> No. That's great. >> Congratulations. Thank you. All right. All right. Moving along. We are now on to ordinance uh 573-25
introduction. It's about leadbased hazard inspections of rental properties. I believe Jack, unless I'm wrong, is to comply with what? State law. >> Yes. And the new uh contractor, right? >> Correct. We are looking to um change
vendors from uh Bay Hill Environmental to Lou Environmental. Um it's visual inspections as opposed to dust wipe inspections because technically we are only required to do visual inspections. Um and they also handle all of the state
requirements with the DCA that come with the obligation of the township, >> the paperwork basically. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Okay. Um uh make a motion to move this to the intro this introduction move it to the second meeting for approval. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Committeeman Lavender. >> Yes. >> Committee woman regularly. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Perian. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. Next is 574-25. Uh introduction amending salaries and wages. Randy, you want to explain what that's for?
>> Yeah. This is something that we do every year. This is setting the minimum and maximum wages for each position. Uh there's some adjustments that we need to do. Uh so um we uh this will be the first reading for that case. >> Thank you. I have a motion to approve
that. >> So moved. Second. >> Committeeman Lavender. >> Yes. >> Woman Regger Eline. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Zeria. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. All right. Right now we have something from the planning board which is 571-25
amending the township land use ordinance removing references to historic preservation commission and basically well replacing commission with advisory committee. Oh just a name change right? >> That's correct. >> Okay so it's a second reading. So anybody from the public have any
questions or comments about this specific ordinance changing the word commission to advisory committee? Anybody online? >> This was an ordinance that was required to go in front of the planning board and what I just handed you was their master
plan consistency uh review resolution and an email that was received just as an FYI. >> Got it. So, I have a comment on this. >> Go ahead. So, we we talked about this at the planning board last night and the
ordinance as written um does not conflict with the master plan. Um, however, um, the way the ordinance was written last night, it it changed the the reference to the
historical preservation commission to advisory committee. And upon reflection, we determined it would be a lot less confusing if just simply take out all references to commission or advisory
committee because this is not a commission, right? And this is um you know with regard to the section that talks about the constitution of the planning board. >> Does that make sense, Jack? Did um Steve Warner's lawyer talk to you?
>> He did not. Uh, no, this is news to me. So, what's the planning board's recommendation? What's the bottom line? >> The bottom line is it's okay the way it was. However, it remains confusing and
in the future someone may confuse the advisory committee with that of the role of a commission >> which is legally different. >> Yes. >> A lot different. >> Right. And so, you know, the initial edit to it was to strike out commission and put advisory committee. And as we
talked about it, the best thing is is just take out any reference to historical preservation committee or advisory committee. >> Can I ask Jack a question? >> We we have other advisory committees that doesn't add confusion. So, why do you think >> because the uh the constitution of the
planning board tells you know who you need to have someone from environmental, someone from here, someone from there, what class, da da da. Yeah. I I think the other difference is historic preservation commissions have a great deal of power, right, and input into approvals. >> Yeah, but that's not what Scott I don't think is saying. He wants But you want
to remove committee, too. >> Well, it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't need to be in there. >> How often is it in there, though? >> It's in there twice. And that was one of the reasons Fred brought the whole thing forward to us. >> So So So is the planning board recommending we vote this one down and introduce a new ordinance that removes
references to >> Yeah. to references to commission >> ref historical anything with historic preservation. >> What would the name be at the end of the day? >> There is no there is no historical preservation commission >> that doesn't exist. >> And so we're not required to put a
reference to an advisory committee in there. >> So So I'm just getting this tonight. So I suggest we vote the ordinance be down >> and then get >> if we make the changes suggested by the planning board, we're not going to be able to adopt tonight anyway. >> That's fine. >> Okay. Motion. Motion to vote no
>> or Yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> As >> we haven't closed a public viewing. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. If anybody online want to talk about this? >> Anybody on Zoom would like to make a public comment regarding ordinance 57125?
Please raise your hand now. >> I don't see anyone, mayor. >> All right. Then we'll close this to the public and we'll make a motion to um what? Deny or Yeah. deny the ordinance that's listed on the uh sheet. So I'll second you motion.
>> Okay. >> So many Lavender. >> Yes. >> Committeewoman Riker Elign. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Persia. Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, is there a second one on the thing or not? Are we go right to the consent agenda?
>> Consent. >> Consent. All right. So, at the consent agenda resolutions, is there anything I know Aubryy's got to made withdraw from 205. Is there anything and you two need to recuse from 206. Is there anything else in here that anybody needs to
>> I'm an elk >> um recuse themselves from >> do we need to recuse ourselves from the social affair permit for the elks if we're el. >> Yeah. >> We can still pass it though, can't we? Because >> that's correct. We have two.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, um motion to move the consent agenda with the obvious, uh >> abstensions. >> Second. >> Lavender. >> Yes. >> Committeewoman Riker Align. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Beria.
>> Yes. With the uh extensions referenced by the mayor >> and mayor. >> Yes. All right. Liaison reports. Uh wait, we who needs the slides? We'll start with Guy while you queue up the slides and what everyone cues up. Are you going to talk about National Night Out?
>> No, you can. >> All right. So, just a a big thank you to the Long Hill Township Police Department. It was a wonderful turnout and to all the uh emergency services folks that uh turned up. Uh it it was a great turnout from the employees uh from
the residents. Uh the weather cooperated. It it was a it was a fun night. So, thank you. >> Even people here from other towns >> ours. Absolutely. And I just want to add the recreation uh department uh who who got some events for the kids and
everything. And I think everybody had a great time. I really do. >> It was a nice It was a nice evening. Nice event. >> Okay. All right. So, which one you got up first? Library. Aubrey, you're up then. >> That's me. >> The library is open Monday through
Saturday and they were closed on Sundays in July and August. summer reading and all those reading challenges have been going strong all summer. Proud to of all of our adult participants, too. Next slide. Thank you. Schedules of our activities this
week um to note is the silent book club at Sterling Fountain, Thursdays at 2 p.m. Bring any book and read in the company of others doing the same. Good motivation, all ages. The library's last game night for the summer is happening now. We love this free familyfriendly
night programming and will continue it in the fall. Free movies all month. Liam Niss theme this month. The Berkeley Heights Library is joining the main library alliance. The onehour library is in. We look forward to e to the ease and
efficiency this change will bring. A little bit of welcome week fun is planned. And that is it. >> Do you have anything else? >> No. The only thing I wanted to add was one just jumping back to national night out. also the local businesses that showed up and did things was excellent. So it didn't go unnoticed. All the
participants wreck first aid the whole thing. Um very good. And then when it comes to committees, I know we had briefly talked about this but just to bring it like openly um navigating the leads of the committees maybe over now through the course of the end of the
year we kind of phase over the next few meetings having a committee lead from each committee. It's a lot of committees. Um come and just report out on you know top one two three accomplishments, top one, two, three goals for the year coming just to be
able to hear that in future meetings um from everybody just to understand not only us to understand what's going on with all of them and hear it from you know the you know regular people that are in theirs but then also the public to understand that we have these committees and um what they're doing and what their goals are >> and they will be limited to less than
five minutes each shouldn't take that long. >> That's fine. Okay. >> So, uh, can we ask who would be the best to orchestrate that? Sorry, Megan. >> I think there was a motion for Megan. I I'll second that. >> I can do the whole outline, so it'll be
easy. >> She's the one that's contactable, whoever the people are. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. The only thing I have to report is we have a new recycling option, which >> Yeah, I can say it, can't I? It's coming soon. >> Oh, Ry's doing Oh, Ry's doing it for No,
no, no, no, no. I know. We just have to repeat it. Next. >> Mr. Mayor, if the township receives an award for this, can I accept it? >> Of course. Bruce can go. >> We didn't hear it on the mic. >> All right. Wait, you queued up. We have to queue up the wreck and then I'll let Scott go. Other than that, I'm There we go. Go for it.
>> Okay. Recreation up update. Uh, next slide. Okay. So, you heard about National Night Out. Just to go making the rounds here with the thank yous. uh like the all the emergency services groups, the Long Hill PD, First Aid Squad, Sterling Fire,
Millington Fire, Morris County Sheriff's Department, and C. Also, second, thanks to our sponsors, the Wong Hills Municipal Alliance, the Sterling Hotel, and Starbucks. And thank you to all the wreck advisory committee members for volunteering. Uh and thank you to all
the Chamber of Commerce businesses who came and lined the walkways. Thank you to the Long Hill Library staff pro for providing crafts, games, bubbles, and a movie. And thank you to Al Gallow and the Department of Public Works for all the help setting up and cleaning up. And thank you lastly to Joan Shiers for
volunteering to photograph the event. Next, fall field hockey registration is now open, grades 5 to 8. Uh community pass to register, and the first practice is August 25th. Next, Sterling Lake members will host a family funday on
Saturday, August 23rd, 12 to 6:00 p.m. And this year, it will be a Jaws theme. Next, two more summer concerts. This Thursday, we welcome back Epic Soul at 7 p.m. on August 21st. Join us for Street Hassle,
a classic rock band at 7 PM. All concerts are free and the scream truck will have ice cream for sale 7:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. Next, Fall Lake dance is coming up for Long Hill students in grades 6 through 8.
Friday, September 5th. That' be from 7:30 to 9:30. $5 admission at the gate. Parent chaperones are needed or the dance can't run. So, we need parent chaperones. Please contact Parks and Wreck if you can help out. Next, mark
your calendars for travel basketball. Tryyous are scheduled to begin on September 29th. Check the website out for more details. Next, don't forget to keep our parks clean and contact us if you'd like to join our wreck advisory committee. We meet every third Tuesday
evening. Next. And that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. And then Leah, administrator's report. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh so public works uh monthly report they uh repaired potholes, 3 days of styrofoam processing, cleaned up uh several down
trees. They prepared curbs and basins for the 2025 road overlay program. Uh they did a full uh town street sweepings. uh storm water basin cleaning, which um you know, those simple little things of cleaning,
keeping those basins clean help out tremendously during quick heavy rainfalls that we just uh have recently experienced. Uh weekly lawn maintenance, they set up for events of national night outs and block parties. Uh they've been
working with the contractor for the 2025 um road overlay program which should be finished this week, Al. Right. >> So, they'll be finished uh this week, so it won't be interrupting school or anything else uh with the busing. And as
the mayor alluded to, we're going to be rolling out a new recycling program in a week or two. Uh we will be accepting used sneakers for recycling. >> Only sneakers, no shoes. >> Uh so, more information to to follow,
check the website and the LHDPW Facebook. Um, we also received bids for our 2026 uh garbage uh or contract ends at the end of this week. We are reviewing uh we
received one bid. We're reviewing those bids for compliancy currently. Um and it was a con it was a bid specification for not only trash collection but also recycling collection. Uh we currently have the MUA which uh they have given us
a proposal also. Uh, so we'll compare the two and see which is the best uh for the town. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Randy. >> I ask a question about the sneakers. What is the benefit to the town and the environment for recycling sneakers? Like this is exciting. Do they make something with them? Is this a really stupid
question? >> No, I think those don't they grind them up use for turf and things like that? The >> just curious like what >> Yeah, they good ones refurbish other countries >> love them. >> Yep. >> And then they process the different
I love it. Love it because I'm always fascinated when you took me through like what to what happens with the styrofoam. That's why I was like curious. I'm like I love that. So, thank you. >> Well, which reminds you styrofoam. On my way to work today, I drew I don't remember where it was. Somewhere between my house and Warren. Um the um we
recycle styrofoam, people. The the the recycling's not going to pick it up. Please drop it off the DPW or the bin over by uh the the um library. The one by the library is open all day every day. So, please drop it off there. Yes. Al,
>> you still have an issue with bags. >> Oh, yes. And do not use plastic bags in your recycling because it clogs up the the machines and they have to stop and it's a big hassle for the county. So, if you have stuff, just throw it in the bin and they'll dump it in. You don't the the bags are a hindrance to the
recycling. You can recycle your bags separately at Shopright or down to DPW, but please do not put plastic bags in the recycling. And Matt, to your point, it's a it's single stream. Yeah. Very convenient. Just put anything you want that's recyclable and cover it if it's raining because once once paper
cardboard gets wet, >> it gets thrown out. >> Yes. So, thank you on the that's the recycling tip of the day. All right. So, now we'll go to discussion items. The 2026 township committee uh meeting schedule.
>> I have a question. Uh, November 4th looks like it's the first Wednesday of the month. Is that by design? >> I believe the second third or the second Wednesday would be the lead because the third Wednesday would then be uh Thanksgiving.
>> And then what is the date for 2026 reorg? Is that the seventh? >> It's on this year. >> Yeah. Okay. That's next year. >> Next year's next year. Right. We do we do the year.
>> Oh yeah. January 6 is right here. >> 207. Sorry. >> So it' be 20 should be seven this year, right? >> I believe it's the seventh. Yes. >> Yep. Okay. >> All right. >> And there's only there's only one meeting in June, right?
>> June, July and August. Okay, that's all. >> All right. No further questions, your honor. >> Anything else? Nope. All right. Next item. Uh well go let's do the planning board ordinances first D and E. What's Jack? What's that? >> Attachments D& but
>> yeah D& the first one is regarding the renaming of the single family residential village in Hamlet and light industrial zone district and amending the uh code. >> All right. Is this going to the planning board or they send it back? >> They send it to us. >> Okay. >> But it does go to them just
>> Okay. >> For clarification >> uh from the planning board. Um, this came directly from Liz Laney. Was this reviewed by the planning board? >> Which one? The land use regarding apartments and business zones? >> Either one of them,
>> I believe. Yes, I know the apartments and business own. >> Well, no, I know I I I believe with the last couple ordinances that have come from the planning board, they've come from one of the professionals. We've reviewed as the township committee. We've sent it back
for master plan consistency review and then they look and tweak a few things. So I'm wondering if before we introduce this, we put it back to the planning board just to make sure that the planning board is all okay with this so we don't run into this same situation
that we just did with the uh HPAC. >> All right. So then soi or somebody from with uh from Savvo Shock and send us another email and say, "Hey, look, it's good the way it's written or change this or change that." Well, I believe this was written by Liz Laney. She sent them directly to me and
that's why I'm just looking for clarification if it was reviewed entirely by the plan planning board or if the planning board kind of gave her notes >> to draft this. She sent it directly to us. Now, we're going to send it to the planning board and get more notes from
the planning board. I'd rather the planning board review it, get their notes, and then give us their final version so we're not running into this. I get it. No, it's fine. So, we'll send it whatever their next meeting is and then they can send it back to us and then we'll put it on for September. >> Do they have another Wait, is there
another meeting before September? Our meeting, whatever that is. Oh, okay. >> They'll have the meeting. I believe it's September 9th. They usually have the one for us. >> All right. Then we'll do the same thing then. That's fine. >> So, I'll send them to Deb for them to look at so she can send them to us so we can review them. And >> I'll put them on the agenda for whatever our meeting is.
>> Put them on the agenda for introduction or for discussion? >> Introduction. >> Introduction. >> Yeah, introduction. Assuming they have assuming we get approval from them back like we did this time or no changes need to be made. Let's say that. Okay. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, that one's done. Sidewalks. Vic's not here, but Jack, you want to explain what this proposed ordinance may be? First, I I know some people called me today. It's not residential sidewalks. It's only commercial. So, Jack, you can explain that from there.
>> Yeah. To reiterate that it's not for commercial sidewalks. residential residential I mean it's only for commercial sidewalks u and the first part uh section 20-y 5 says that the bureau shall be responsible for
construction reconstruction maintenance and repair uh with the following exception set forth in paragraph B. Now those concern residential properties but I think it's good actually I borrowed a lot of this from Chadam's ordinance. Uh
it makes it clear that residents are responsible for repair and maintenance uh in these situations where damaged by that property owner uh where it's damaged by uh vehicular traffic to and from the
property. Uh it's damaged by drainage from that private property. uh and and things like that. So, it just makes it clear that if the property owner caused the damage, the property owner is responsible for repairing it and possibly replacing it. Uh paragraph D or
paragraph C is the key. It shall be the duty of any owner of commercial property uh to construct, reconstruct, repair, and maintain sidewalks that have bought their property. Uh so, so that's the key. Now, we talked last time about either doing it by commercial properties
or by zone, but I think it would be easier to defend if we do a commercial properties. You know, if you get two residences in a commercial zone, they're going to be the only two residences in town who are responsible for repairing and reconstructing their sidewalk. So, I think it's fairer and I think it would
be easier to defend if we make it just commercial properties. Um, >> do you consider a commercial property uh let's say an apartment like a a h it's a a house like there's one down by the the cleaner over by thermoplastic that technically it's residential but it's
all it's like two or three rentals so technically that'd be commercial property wouldn't it? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now the the second part and I deferred to Al and uh and the council of engineer uh talks about sidewalk construction
standards and I brought this from Chadam as well. So I'm not sure you know I don't not qualified to make say whether they make sense or not. So you know we need some kind of technical review of the sidewalk construction standards but I think they should be in the ordinance as well.
Is the definition of a commercial property um included in our land use ordinance? >> I don't know. >> Well, it's I mean we can go we can go by the classification in in reference to tax assessment or tax
collection where class 4 A, B, and C are uh commercial properties. Anything above a four family is considered commercial property. Uh that would be considered an apartment. So um you know we do do have we classify uh uh commercial industrial
and apartments in the t in the tax duplicate which makes it very clear which block and lot is considered commercial. So we should four and above not above four, right? So >> it's four and above. >> No, above four.
>> So it's five. >> Five or above. >> So I think we should add I should add that definition to the ordinance. >> Yeah. If we want to reference the clear assessment classification of the property or something like that. Um you know that it's it's easily accessible. It's it's public record. You just go to
the tax collector's office, look it up and and we could determine if it's commercial or not. On the other hand, residents aren't going to be able to figure that out. That would be my only concern. Uh I think we may be better off saying, you know, multif family residences of more than four >> Sure.
>> units. Yeah. >> Uh and I think the other commercial properties are pretty clear. It's really just >> they are. Yeah. >> So, >> all right. And really, I could be wrong, but basically have Valley Road and then downtown Millington. That's really about
it, right? Is there anywhere else? Main Street. >> Main Street. >> And Main Street. Sorry. That's it. Nothing in Gillette or maybe in front of Marcy's. >> They got some at Myersville, right? >> They don't have sidewalks, do they? >> In the corner. They do, right? >> Do they? >> There's no sidewalk where the vet and >> Nope.
>> I only drive by it every day. >> You only live in my >> for how long? Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's really not It doesn't really affect that many properties if you think about it. >> No. >> All right. So, then what? We'll just try to clean this up. Send it to >> I'll clean it up and uh >> send it to uh BH for
>> I'll send it to B and we'll introduce it next meeting if everybody's okay with it. >> Yeah. Al's got a question. >> It's not technically. I mean I think we could make the schools responsible. >> Yeah. I don't see why because they're responsible for cleaning the snow and ice, right? They already clean the snow off of it. So
>> yeah, I don't have any problem with that. >> Yeah. Thanks, Al. All right. Anything else on this? All right. Seeing none. Um, any old business? None. Next. Uh, announcements. Any
blood? Any blood drives you want to talk about? >> No, but October Fest is coming up. >> Can you give the date? >> Yes, I can. >> September 27th. I know it's a little >> No, it's not September 27th. is September 20th. >> Ah,
>> September 20 September 20th, Saturday afternoon at 4:00, Elktoberfest. Uh, open to the public, $20 a person, all you can eat food. There'll be German beer available at a price.
Uh, come on out and support veterans and um disabled children. >> And Aubrey, you have something you want to announce? >> Yes. I'm just making sure I have the date right. >> It's September, isn't it? >> Yep. Yep. September 7th to my knowledge.
Um there are volunteers from with Grace Initiative, which is a local childhood cancer organization uh doing a carnival at the um Longill baseball and softball fields. So that's exciting. And then on the 10th, the diner in New Providence um
hosts a fundraiser for the same charity, which is good. And that's how we get the money to do the good things for the kids with cancer. >> Can you speak to September? It's pediatric cancer awareness. >> Good job. Nice work. That's right. That's the significance of September. I
forget because I'm so in it. Um, yep. Is childhood cancer awareness month. So, the whole community of childhood cancer goes gold. So, you'll probably see signs up in town and ribbons up and things like that. But, yeah. Grace and and Aubrey and the with Grace organization.
There's at least 100 counts statewide uh that do do a proclamation with pediatric cancer awareness month and the state of New Jersey and the governor has done it many many times. So >> you'll see that banner just out here. >> Yes. Thank you. >> And I have one final. >> Yes.
>> Uh September 30th, uh Patriots Bath Council Boy Scouts will be hosting the 13th annual Watch on Hills Good Scout Award dinner. Tuesday, September 30th at the Prima Vera. Tickets are $135 a person. Proceeds go to uh supporting
scouting in New Jersey. Uh and among these honores this year, um Aubrey >> has been nominated and will be receiving an award. So I expect everyone from the committee here to be at that event, please. >> Thank you. >> And we have another resident. I did not
realize. >> That's right. That's right. So, we have two of uh the honores. >> And where's that? Is that Prima Vera? >> That's at the Prima Vera. Tuesday, >> September 30th and 9:30. All right. No more announcements. Anybody from the
public have any questions, comments that are limited to three minutes? Come on down, Mr. White. >> Good evening, Paul. Um, two small things, one big thing, one small thing. On Dy Avenue in Tobert, um,
there are now three rental properties. Some owners live there. They rent out the basement so much. We went over this with the, uh, Airbnbs, which I appreciate you guys that now. It's a 60-day rental. >> Um, problems with parking and stuff like
that on the become an issue. You can drive down there anytime. There's always a 4Runner, a green 4Erunner. The guy doesn't even live there anymore. He was living in Torbert for a little while. And I actually caught him one day. And I go, "Everything all right? Can I go? I'm renting a place in New Province. I have no place else to park my car." And uh
you can go there after this meeting. It's always there. It's at the end of Dy Avenue. It's a green uh Ford Runner. It's just He moves it from time to time. It's been there for at least three weeks now. >> I I did I understand correct? Does But does he own the property on Dy? >> No. No. No. No. He he was renting the
Airbnb on Torbert and I guess he just had a place to park and he left Torbert. Now somebody else is new in there. Uh >> so he doesn't have any if you run the plate comes back to a Sterling address on Planefield Avenue where it's not even there no more.
>> He's living in New Province. He told me he has no place to park his car. He has two or three cars and he said he's always parked there and no one's done. >> So can I I'm sorry. I have a question for you Jack. Well, no. Actually, maybe my question is for the tenants. >> Is that allowed?
>> As long as he moves, I guess. >> Except for snow. Unless it's snowing, you can't, >> right? >> So, okay, now I'll go to Jack. The legal. So, anybody anywhere can park in any town. >> There's no state
>> unless unless we have a local ordinance. >> Okay. So the local ordinance, it's not like state or >> That's correct. We we have we're authorized by the state to adopt park. >> I've never heard this before. >> This isn't the first time. Ever since we had Airbnb and stuff, I think people just like parking there. Again, I don't know for sure, but I swear people are
parking there, taking Ubers, going to the airport, coming back in the car. It's just, you know, that's going to come on to my second part of Have you tried putting a note? >> We do have a section in the code. >> Have you tried putting a note on his car? >> No, we did not. I spoke to the guy and
he told me I have no place to park but I lived at the Airbnb in Torbert and I just I'm leaving the park. >> And how does he get to and from New >> He said he has two or three cars. >> Oh, >> he leaves one and he picks up the other. >> He puts it there and moves it. I seen it by my house one day. He got it there for a week and he drives it down.
>> May maybe it's as simple as put a a note on the car and say the guy. >> No, but but you put a note on the car, you get a little bit of attention. That's happened in our neighborhood as well. We put a note on the car and then they realized >> over over six months on Yeah. back and forth. I mean >> it's not a good neighbor.
>> Um nothing against the police. The the lady who lives at the end of the block actually called I guess they got a dispatch and they ran the plate and he said, you know, car's leg is bothering you. No, not really. The guy moves around just, you know, spend your, you know, just let it go. Again, you know, it's just one of these things that we're we're suffering from, you know, and it's
not the first time, you know, with the Airbnbs. I seen these problems come. I see these problems coming, you know, a mile away and uh I have other problems. >> Jack, is this a new one by you in all your years? >> It's a first. >> So, the ask is >> every day is a >> The ask is because the the car is parked
there longterm. It's annoying because the person doesn't live there. Correct. >> Just to like synops the synopsis. >> This was just a sidebar what I'm getting to. You let me finish everything else and I hope this didn't Well, no, but this is a this is a this is this is
actually a good one because this could be an emerging problem. >> Can they in their neighborhood can they put up a sign that simply says parking for residents only? >> Not without going. You've got more. Let's go. Keep going. >> Okay. >> But you can mess up my Here you go. So
24 toward you know that's the owner actually lives there. Rents out the basement. He doesn't have a kitchen. So suppose it's legally own house possible. It's a single family residence but he's got two apartments. He >> sorry. His house >> 44 Dy Avenue. >> Um the NRS lived there for like a
hundred years. They sold the house. Somebody bought it. I still can't can't quite figure out what's going on. I think the owner of the house lives in the basement and rents out the upstairs. Um I don't know how that works. And there's cars always in the street there. Different cars. The driveway, you know,
it's just another thing that I noticed where cars are all over and I don't know who the people are. Anyhow, uh now the new problem is 17 DY Avenue. This this is a real problem right now. Um I met the owners. They own like 10 properties in Elizabeth Springfield and they bought
this house for an investment. Um first thing they asked me was, "We see there's a rental at the end of your block. Is it okay to rent out the basement?" That's all I had to hear. I said, "No, I I don't think it's legal." You know, they're like, "Well, we want to make as much money as we can with this house." You know, I understand. Okay. So, I
didn't have a good feeling with the people. So, they leave. Uh, time goes on. Here we go. 17 17. Um, again, I can't quite figure out what they're doing with the house. They supposedly said they have it rented out. Um, 17 Dy Avenue. It has a pool there.
Here comes the big problem. Now, I think they're renting the pool out >> for parties one day. >> How did you dance right next to me? I know it's a thing. You're right. >> Do that. Yeah, >> it's a thing. >> Yeah, it's a thing. >> It gets worse. So, I'm thinking, all right, they rent it out. Maybe the guy's
having a big party. I count 75 cars >> on Dy Avenue, Milton, and Mitchell. >> I'm like, I can't believe >> I'm like, I can't believe this. So, 5:00 they leave, whatever. All of a sudden, a DJ comes in, a whole new row of cars come, another 50, 60 cars.
>> Okay, now the music's playing loud. I'm letting it go. All right, maybe they just moved in. Whatever. Uh, it's going on several times a week since uh June, the end of June. This has been going on. >> This at 17 I figure this will die out. I figure it'll die out. Let it go. Yeah.
>> Long Hills Riviera Dy. >> So, >> I'm sorry for laughing. This is >> again weekdays, weekends. They're renting the pool out. I mean, DJs, they had a hot dog stand there one day. I mean, it was just like, I can't believe this has actually happened. >> So, >> I mean, how would we prove that? I don't know.
>> Yeah, right. Good luck proving that. This is like long hill our action next step is correct. >> Yes. It's difficult to prove people are running a business in a residential zone. And really what you need is for the neighbors to just keep logs of every
activity that's going on. >> Is anybody living in that house? >> Our code of officer also monitors the VBO and >> yeah Mark's good about that. Good monitors those things. Right. The problem is but if it's word of mouth they do it on private on on Facebook now
and no one can find you. I was doing the same thing that investigator does and actually grab somebody. There's a lady who's across from second yard. She's pissed because the people keep parking you know tires on her on her grass cuz I don't know if you know Dy but it's it's narrow. It's narrow park. >> Um and it kept parking like you know two
tires on her lawn and it's wet or whatever you said. So she got she got upset about it. So >> So wait, is anybody in Dy Avenue like living there? I can't even tell you for sure. There have been so many people coming out of here in the last couple months. I I can't even figure I think they're making more money renting the pool out. Probably. >> Let's figure out. Okay, keep going. Do you have more ass?
>> Yeah, let me finish up. So, um anyhow, what really decided I got to do something is uh the other uh Sunday it was like 7 at night. It was loud. You heard the music from 9:00 in the morning to 7 at night. And I go over there and I don't know even I spoke to they go, "You
can't come on. It was a private party." But yeah, I know. Can you turn the music off? They asked me to leave. They called the police on me that I trespassed on and that's on record. The two officers came. I spoke with them. I called them. I >> You weren't cuffed or anything, were you? >> What's that? >> I said you weren't cuffed or that's a joke.
>> I cannot believe this is happening. >> Just keep on my block and then you really won't believe it. And again, I I I talked to a few neighbors. They're all for this. What I'm going to bring up in a minute more. >> It's going to be it's going to be ongoing thing, I'm sure. Um anyhow,
so um What what I'm hoping we can possibly do to solve the problems with the illegal rentals on the block and the pool parties. I know it's not going to be fixed this year. I'm hoping for next year so I can have a quiet summer next year. Is it possible you guys could do something with the ordinances where we
have no parking at all on Dy Avenue Mitchell? >> We can do that. We can because here's the thing if you just do DY park on >> Yeah, I know you're I know DY very well. Actually, >> it's a narrow street and what really gets you is they'll park right across your driveway. There's a lot of older people on the on the block. They'll park
right and the poor old, you know, almost whacking the car, backing out. They can't get out. It's just >> so parking on both sides of the street. >> You can't do both. But it's unless you park on the lady like if you park on someone's lawn like you know, >> but this becomes as an emergency services
fire truck or something. They never get dropped. No, if two if if you're parked on each side, there's no way you're not getting through. It's not happening. Um, so I was hoping to, you know, bring this up. I know it can't happen overnight. It'd be great if there could be an ordinance. And if I got to fill the courtroom with people on the block, I'm
sure it'll come. There's really, it would really only affect the guys who rent out apartment houses on the block on on the the illegal rentals or legal rentals, whatever you want to call them. Those are the only ones that would probably come here and say they need it because they have their apartments where they need for their tenants because when
they leave, they supposedly leave the cars on the block anyway. So, you know, they would be upset about it. I'd like to see that guy show up. That'd be pretty good. Uh, also if you can look at the the noise ordinance, um, I know the police officers, but they turn it down or whatever. Listen, it's 50 decel
points, whatever. >> That's almost imp. Believe me, I've had case with that. It's almost impossible because you have to the county come out with some certified thing. >> If you just say if you're if you can hear the music like we have a little party at my house, my wife got this music box. It just points right to the table. Don't even you walk from the
table, you don't hear it. So with technology today, you don't even need you don't really even need to have you know those big boom boxes and the DJ. If you could change that ordinance you would be love you guys votes forever. If you could change that ordinance where it's not just if you're next door you
can hear the music playing when you get music playing from 9 in the morning till 11 at night. It's it >> especially when it's inside your I get it because I have that situation come from though. I don't know if that's local right. >> That's what I was going to say because we had >> the mayor's right. It's very difficult. You can't. It's very tough to prove. You can't. I mean, if you go to court and
challenge it, you're probably going to win. >> The the state passed an ordinance or a law saying that D preempted noise ordinances and they set decel levels and everything and I called down there and they had they had laid off all the people who worked in the noise
enforcement section. So >> can we we do we do have a noise and nuisance ordinance and ordinarily that type of ordinance the way it's written would be thrown out because it's overly vague but the courts have held in the context of noise ordinances people know
>> but can whatever decibel level it is vary by town or is that set by the state? It it it's set by the state, but we don't have the resources or >> No, no, that's not I'm just curious what the >> language to change orders to if you can hear the music. I mean, it's annoying. 9
in the morning to like the other day 11 at night and and you know what it's like when you hear like 40 cars leave, the doors slamming, the the the alarms going off. You like you can't even believe it's happening. >> You can't even believe it's happening. Can I can I just change some perspective on this a little bit because the noise
ordinance is tough, but these are transients, >> right? They don't care. That's right. >> They don't live around here. They don't care. That's number one. Number two, this is the outcome of a of a of a of a of a business arrangement. >> That's right. >> Right. >> They're running a business.
>> They're running a business. They're they're throwing an event. >> Technically, if they were a legal business, this would be an event they'd have to come to us for a permit for. They'd have to get a variance to run it right on Dy Avenue. >> So, I don't understand why they can't be
ticketed or or or or summoned or or whatever for simply for for throwing a for throwing a public pool party. >> And if you eliminate that, you're going to eliminate the noise. >> The noise, right? That's where I'm going. >> Right. Because the issue is the business situation, the parking situation, and the noise situation. >> Yeah.
>> Just to sum it up, those >> But but the threshold is the business and residential zone. And if we can >> But it be a code enforcement, not a PD issue. It would be code >> enforcement. Time has >> it would be a code enforcement, but obviously code enforcement would work
with the police and get police reports and so forth. So, >> but in the past when I used to prosecute zoning violations, that's what I had to do. We had several instances where people were operating nurseries and we had to get the neighbors to keep logs and come in and testify that, you know, 75 people were coming at 11:00 a.m.,
right? >> They cleared out at 3. 75 new people came with a new DJ. You know, >> we don't have to be next year or next summer. We can start my problem be solved. I mean, department. >> No, but we can move. >> Yes. We should start. >> You can draft something up. Bring
>> We don't need to We don't need I think we have the ordinances are in place. They're already in violation. It sounds to me. >> Yeah. Assuming it's proven. >> Can we send a Can we send a warning today? >> Yeah. The code enforcement officer should send a warning. >> But he has to have something. I'm not doubting everything you said. I'm sure.
No, but he doesn't have to prove anything by sending if it's a warning. >> Sending a warning. >> Yeah, sending a warning and then uh >> the parking would really solve this park. >> So, what I think best next steps do we navigate it through the code enforcement and just understand from a neutral
entity from the town's perspective that whatever's going on, whatever's not going, >> it's got to go through Mark. Great. >> Yeah. And typically with with a with a a a request for no parking or or speed change and so forth, we uh have the uh traffic advisory committee take a look
at that uh that recommendation and we'll discuss it at a meeting and make a recommendation to the tax committee. >> So there are many streets that have no parking on it. >> Yeah. >> Railroad Avenue has partial parking station >> partial. partial and up on Elm Street
along the side because people would park up there to take the train. >> It's not that common, but if it's a chronic problem, >> Paul effective people that are in illegal apartments and the people coming to rent those pools affect anybody have no park in that whole neighborhood.
>> I'm supportive of it. I just want to make sure we can >> Well, I want to understand too, but what if somebody is a resident and they do have a party? Like what if one of your neighbors that >> you like? So that's the only thing. So that's why I just think it should just be unbiased. And >> I can't speak for the police, but generally if you put a note on your car,
you know that my my driveway is being sealed. So I have to park on the street or you call the police department. I refer to Lieutenant Chambrella. But I mean there are ways to deal with No, but brings up a good point. If you have a party and maybe during graduation party or something like that, >> in in theory or reality, you would be
violating that ordinance. So >> I know people that live on I don't want to totally swing the pendulum. No, there's two two separate items here, Scott. We're talking about just saying no parking on the street regardless of commercial. >> I've lived almost 30 years and there's never really been any real big parties
where people had to park in the street. If I can remember a handful, I'm sure if they called up and said, "Look, I've been a resident, you know, called the police department. Can you give me a courtesy for three hours from 6:00 at night till 8? We're having, you know, I'm sure I'm sure the police you give a courtesy on that." And that wouldn't be every day. Probably once a year if that.
>> So, so next steps, I think we've outlined next steps. >> Yes. Yeah. Let Mark deal with it. >> Code enforcement officer, traffic advisory committee. >> Yep. And then we'll circle back with the outcomes here. Appreciate you bringing it to the attention and taking the time to come out. >> I didn't expect anything. >> No, no guarantees, but let's just look
into it. I think it warrants additional review and we'll go from there. >> It's unbelievable. >> Yeah, if there's more information, just email it to the code of arena to the administrators and the code enforcement office. like a little ecosystem of problems on >> Dies and and you know Dy is mostly the older
residents in town and it seems like every time one of them move on however it is it's like someone buys a house and they just want to rent out the attics the basement you know it's just where they want to live in the basement sadly actually as I'm thinking out loud Megan you may or may not have heard of when
renting out of a pool she goes that's a thing >> she does herself it >> it's a thing >> and and it's not only a thing there's some big money in And it's probably going to become more now that real estate has become so $100 an hour for the pool. So I mean think about it
liability. >> Oh bother renting out the house. >> And the other well the other issue is if you think there's illegal rentals let >> Mark Andress know that as well because just because if they're not registered they're not following the proper ordinances then they have then they could be >> Yeah. And I've I've had experience.
>> They know about them because they were on um if you go, you know, Gillette rentals or Walmart rentals. >> Jack Jack, don't we have an ordinance that regulates pools? >> Oh, you'll make >> I don't think renting out. >> I thought we did. I think you know there's something to do with swimming pools and fences and this that and the
other. I thought we had an ordinance. Well, we do have Yeah, we don't >> but I don't think anyone anticipated that people. >> So, what But how easy would it be to amend that and say it's illegal to rent? I think it's already covered by operating a a business in a resial. >> Hard to prove the rent. They could do it on Facebook and a friend's paying cash.
>> But they've got to go through a registration process when >> for apartments. >> Well, >> for apartments they have to they have to file. >> Well, it's probably an illegal two family. You know, I've got a lot of experience actually with stacking where people rent out the basement for an apartment. It's an illegal apartment.
So, that's also code enforcement, >> right? And >> 24 to again started out the Airbnb. He's still putting it online for rentals. 2020 when it's vacant there's a somebody living here now >> and and you can use those ads to bring to court as evidence I mean it alone
won't prove the violation but in conjunction with other >> it is difficult like like any illegal apartment it is difficult >> it is difficult but it can be done it I believe that's what they told them you know >> being whom >> um the town the code for they said as long as there's no kitchen in there um
which makes no sense so I can rip the kitchen out of my house I got almost a 3,000 foot house I ripped the kitchen out of my house three floors and rent it Well, you probably won't do that. >> You can't because the certificate of occupancy and all that stuff, but all right. >> It may also it probably also violates fire codes
>> ingress which is a much easier thing to enforce zoning ordinance because the onus is on the property owner. The fire code enforcement officer like the construction official can issue a fine, >> you know. And by the way, thank you for bringing that because my concern is look, I know it's a little unusual. Dy
seems to have a couple of these things happening. >> It's not just Dy. It it'll be elsewhere. Yep. Okay. >> Well, if I could, when the Airbnb started, they ended up putting them on Gates and then actually when the town started checking, they found other one Gates was right house. They were throwing weddings there. They were doing Airbnbs whole house. It was
unbelievable. >> Okay. >> That stopped that one. I don't know what they >> All right. >> So, I would say we just continue to flag those situations and we know our action items over here to look at and thank you. >> If we could do no parking, >> could you coordinate just any any other
information you have as it's live? Just make sure you report it to town hall. >> Y >> you don't have to you don't have to wait till you're welcome here always. >> But it's faster. >> You don't have to wait till every other Wednesday. Just call Randy. I >> was kind of hoping this would go away to be honest with you. I was thinking maybe you know whatever zero winter will make
it go away. Cold weather. I was thinking I was thinking you know another two weeks and start getting cold or close the pool and you know. >> Yeah. Well that that may go away but illegal the illegal illegal apartments are making money. >> Yeah. And again, you know, it's the way it is, but
>> all right. Thank you. I know it went past three minutes. >> No, it's a conversation at that point. So then we'll put Lieutenant obviously let Declan and or R.J. know about it >> and they'll take a look at >> Well, that no about about the parking issues. We'll look at it with the T traffic advisory committee which meets
next month, I believe, early in the month. >> All right. Anybody else? Three minutes. Uh >> oh. Yeah. Yeah. >> Battery's burned out already, but All
right. Go ahead, Dennis. Hold on. >> I don't 20 minutes. I'd like to talk for a minute about sight triangles. >> You all know what a sight triangle is? >> I do. >> Coming out of a corner, the sight lines.
>> Yep. >> So that when you pull out of the side street and you look at the traffic coming at you, you can see it. >> Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. >> Don't pull it. >> Yes.
I'll change the batteries, but you can use that one. >> Okay, you're good to go, Dennis. So, sight triangle. You >> can sit down. Well, whatever. >> Continue. Keep going. >> Okay. The sight triangle is what keeps you from having to pull out into the intersection in order to see traffic
coming at you. Uh we've got a lot of sight triangle violations in town. The only time the sight triangle ordinance is enforced is when somebody brings a site plan to one of the boards and they say, "Ah, you
can't plant trees or shrubs there." And the surveyor has to mark the site triangle. But once the approval is made for the development, then people plant trees, they plant shrubs. I guess I'm supposed to go back. Oh,
that's much better. I can hear myself now. Not that I want to. So, at any rate, who's responsible for maintaining the site triangle?
And now I'm going to close the loop on a discussion that you've been holding. Should the owner of the property maintain the sight triangle while he's shoveling the sidewalk? >> Absolutely. >> Yes. And how do we get that word out?
>> The word's out there when our zoning officer issues uh warnings. In fact, I believe within the last 3 weeks, he's issued about 15 warnings where people have cut back the grass and so forth. >> As I pull out of Division or Northfield
into Valley Road, where we've been talking about speed bumps, we've been talking about traffic lights. The real problem is you can't see the traffic on Valley Road without pulling out halfway into the
intersection. You got to cross the drive across the crosswalk, drive past the stop sign and get your nose out into traffic before you can see the oncoming traffic. Now, do those corner lot owners >> are they responsible? >> I will contact the county tomorrow
morning. >> Well, I've heard that line before. I'm sorry to say on division. >> I I will contact the county and tell them, you know, they have an issue at Valley Road. Who told me that? >> At Valley Road and Division. >> You did. Yes, you did. I have an email
from you that said, I'll pass that word to the county. >> We do. >> Yes. >> And they responded within a day and >> also Scott pulling out. >> I'm sorry. >> They responded. They responded to Al's
gonna finish. depending on the location, they will take care of it. They're notified. >> Pulling out a skyline into uh Long Hill Road is almost impossible >> from from either direction. In fact, the
traffic coming at me from the blinker light is almost totally invisible. It is now my habit when I pull out a Skyline to make an a hard left turn into the westbound traffic lane and then I
look in my rearview mirror to see if I can shift over into the eastbound lane because there is so much blockage and and those are only intersections that I frequent. I don't know how many more intersections in town could use a
thorough examination, but I'm suggesting that whatever you decide to do about sidewalks and homeowners uh should also apply to site triangles, >> but it already does. We already have. >> Yes, >> it we look
the police department overworked DPWact. We we don't >> we won't know unless somebody reports these things. For example, you brought up Northfield and Valley. I know for a fact the north uh west portion was addressed last year.
>> That's I know he's talking about division, but Northfield they did trim that back. >> But unless somebody reports it with we're not going to know everything. Go down Fairmont for example. I remember when we were talking about this. Go down Fairmont and Cadam. Every one of those streets have sight triangle problems.
Everyone. So unless somebody reports it, we h we have the ordinance in place. But unless unless we're >> the other the other thing that you have to remember is that you cannot judge a sight triangle from the cab of a truck.
You have to get into a sedan and get a two feet lower before and then look at the hedge to see if it's blocking. If you're up in the cab of a truck, >> everything is clear. No, I think it's a good call out and like to guy's point, I
think if like just like we did before in terms of documenting things and flagging it. Let's flag where you see those issues >> and just report like we told Mr. White just send an email to Randy and Mark and R look I I I I saw one the other day and Mark took Mark addressed it. He says, "Oh, I was going to send them a letter
anyway." So, I think he did. >> Randy, did are we actually citing people now for this? Is this a new >> I believe I believe uh Mark hasn't needed to site anybody because of sight triangles. Everybody has complied that he has sent notices to.
>> It's not a sight issue. You could site them. They could pay $1,000 and fine, but it's not going to correct the problem. So the bigger issue is correcting the problem. >> Yeah, we want compliance. >> I mean, this is something that has to be maintained every year and inspected every year. >> No doubt. Jack, correct me if I'm wrong. If I don't think it's as simple as if
they don't do it, they just pay the summons. I think if they don't do it, the town can submit a bill to them. >> I don't think we have that. We We do if it's in the rightway. >> Okay. That's what happened at Northfield. Yeah. >> If it's in the rightway, we have the right to go in and cut it. I don't know
if we can. Um >> I hear you will charge the homeowner, but if there if there's, for example, I'll go I'll go to the extreme. If there is a tree planted on the corner that obviously you can't see, we can go in and cut it down if it's in the rightway.
>> And I think that's the problem. That's the problem in Northfield in my opinion. Having said on that, >> but on the county roads and the high-speed local roads, and by high speed, I mean 35 mph local roads. Um, the right of way
does not include the entire sight triangle. the sight triangle comes comes back off the right ofway onto private property. So there there may or may not be a limit as to how far we can cut. >> No, but if they cut it themselves or we
put them on notice and like I said, compliance is the key and a lot of them comply right away. >> I was just going to say that's what I think it is. I think >> a lot of people can flag voluntarily. >> I think continue to flag where those locations are. Hopefully obviously we are navigating them. Well, as everybody drives around town, I suppose you could
send a list. >> Yep. No, I think that'd be helpful. >> Yeah, that's >> Thank you for >> Yeah, we're not coming out of >> identifying the ones that you've identified and if there's others, please keep them coming and then we would just ask the public if you see situations like that that are unsafe. Let's flag it
to Randy and the team and go from there. Theoretically, driveways are also protected uh theoretically by but but I know I can't pull out of my driveway without looking pulling out into the street to look because there's
a a big shrub in the way. One direction only. But uh it probably gets worse in other neighborhoods. >> This is more of a problem on the county roads where it's, you know, higher speed. I think in particular like Oaks Road, pulling out there to make a left
or right onto um South Maple, there's a pine tree in the way and it's very difficult to navigate that turn. Cars come up on you very quickly. I'll give you another one is where the uh Oakflower where the where the food trucks park. That's a very blind um road
there. You know, we have >> Not Oak's the other the other road. >> No, Oakflower, the brewery. >> No, but I mean, which which road are you talking about? coming out of Sunny Slope right after you come out of the bank. >> You can't see. You've got to get your nose out there. And I almost got hit by a Cadillac one day. >> Well,
>> yeah. >> I only bring it up because if you're going to do something in writing about sidewalks, you got to do something in writing about >> I think we have it. We just need to endorse it. >> It's got to be appreciate your attention to that.
>> All right. Anyone else in the audience? >> Oh, here we go. And Matt knows that catalog. >> Anybody online? Megan >> Charles Ren with Millington. A clarification and a question based on the clarification. Maybe another question
>> based on tonight's discussion on sidewalks. Are we doing away with the residential maintenance of the sidewalk only unless they cause the problem? We we we don't require them to do it now. What we're doing is making commercial
property owners liable for their abing. >> Yeah. You're you're not going to require the resident to maintain the sidewalk. >> No, not not >> that's been dropped. >> Well, notice >> I can't tell you what's going to happen in the future, but this ordinance only covers >> Okay. Are you still going to consider
that? >> I could be. Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. Here's another comment then, and then I'll get into my question. The sidewalks on Heritage Road, Deer Run, and Indian Run have been in place for 48 years. 47
some, others 48. All the separators between the sidewalks, the expandable separators are gone. They've deteriorated. So, you get weeds growing up and sometimes the sidewalk uplifts. So, if you're going to maintain
that the property owners to maintain those, you better fix them all in our development and then we can talk about maintenance in the future. >> Well, that's part obviously part of the discussion we had last time. I don't know if you're here, but that's >> I was here, but the problem is I'm saying all it wasn't discussed about these flexible separators. They're
deteriorated. There isn't any. Weeds are growing up and the sidewalks uplift. So if you're going to make the property owner responsible, you're going to have to fix them all. >> Well, that was a discussion. We have to bring them up to speed and then turn them over. Then then it's whoever the property owners
>> Yeah. And that particular problem, Chuck, is actually an easy fix for the town to do if it decides to. >> Good. Good. It's been 48 years. I don't know why we haven't fixed it. It's been so easy. >> Because no one knows how to do it now with YouTube. >> Oh, it's easy. But we don't know how to do it. Okay. Here's the question. My
favorite topic in two months and seven days. What is the town going to require to substantiate that the sewer bl sewer band has been lifted?
What document or mechanism are we going to require? That requires a response tonight. Randy, >> that's a legal question, isn't it, Jack? Yeah, we I don't think we can require them to have the ban lifted. I mean, that's a
D's hands. What we're requiring >> I can't hear you. >> What we're requiring them is to bring the system up so it meets D standards and at that point in time D should lift the ban. >> So basically what Jack said is D say the sword does everything NJ does everything
they're supposed to. They can't sword ban we can't lift the sword but the D has to come in and lift it. So they can be in compliance today, but until D says it's lifted, it's not lifted. >> And would we get something in writing from D? >> Yes. >> Be public record. >> We are going to require
a written document from the New Jersey D that they met all the requirements and the sewer ban in this town is going to be lifted in >> Yeah, I think the only two months and seven days, >> American Water to provide us with that proof. But as I say, it it to some
extent it may be beyond their control if they've satisfied all the requirements to get the ban lifted. And D, which is notorious for acting slowly, >> well, that's worked into the schedule. It's been five years. So on the 20th of October, we're going to get a letter. What you're telling me, we're going to
get a letter from the D saying the soup ban's the super ban has been lifted and America order has met all the requirements. Is that what we're looking for? >> We can't say we can't. No, I think I think what I can say and Jack correct my English if it's wrong. On October 20th,
NJ American Water will have met all of the requirements for the sewer ban to be lifted, but what you're requiring or requesting has to come from the D, right? Correct. >> So, is that the standard we're going by? >> I don't think we have a choice. No.
>> Great. So, we're going to get a letter by the 20th of October from the D. >> No, we don't control. Let's say that let's say >> I'm not saying who's controlling it. I'm saying what we're requiring. >> But that we can't control the D and the New Jersey American. They could have submitted the paperwork two months ago for all we know. But when the D gets
around to it, they get around to it, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, we're waiting for that letter is due here by October 20th. >> It's what? >> It's due here by October 20th. >> Well, I don't Do you think D is going to operate on our >> I don't know. I don't control them. >> I know, but they never have. >> So then So then the sewer ban's not
lifted. >> I guess it's not until they do. But that's not a D. It's not It's not like New Jersey American or we breached the contract because we took substantial steps. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Now, they're supposed to have the sewer ban lifted on October 20th. That means we
get a letter from the D saying it's done. Let's not let's not waiver here now. We've had this contract for 5 years now. >> We can't control the D. >> I'm not asking you to control it. >> Meet the deadline. Do you think they care about your deadline or our deadline? >> They have a contracted deadline and
that's >> water does not American water is required legally per that contract to meet. They are required to meet all D regulations by October 20th. >> Right. >> They can't lift the ban. >> So they could be so they should been
been working on years ago. >> They do. They could be the now but the D until the D lifts the ban. >> Exactly. So on October 20th, if we don't have the ban lifted by D, who's in violation? >> Nobody. >> Nobody.
>> Oh, no. No way. They They've been They're the experts. They've been working with D for years. >> I understand that. But they can't tell the D what to do. >> So then they don't meet their deadline, October 20th. Come on.
>> I'm checking to see what the agreement says. >> Go ahead, Al. They could be in compliance now. >> Yeah. So, I mean, they could be in compliance now we know. >> Right. The sewer ban's lifted then. >> Well, not until the D says it's lifted. >> Yes. In theory, it is lifted, but not until they give it a blessing, it's not lifted. That's the point. And so, New
Jersey America could be in full compliance, but until they get that letter or something the D says lifted, it's not lifted. If >> How do we know? How do you How are you going to know that New Jersey American water is in full compliant on the 20th? >> I don't know right now. But they have they have still another what' you say two months and seven days. the township
engineer can review. >> Oh, yeah. And then the boot can check into it. >> So now it's the engineer going to tell us. >> It's the we're going to go around in circles. I can sit here and play what if this conversation's over. >> Right. Exactly. You're We're not going
to have the sewer banan lifted on the 20th. That's what I've been saying all along. >> Nobody said that up here. >> I said it. >> Okay. >> All right. Anybody else from the public? Anything new? Anybody online? >> Anybody on Zoom would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand
now. >> I don't see anyone. M. >> All right. Seeing none, I will entertain a motion to rec uh go back in executive session >> with no further actions. >> Possible further action. >> Possible. >> I make that motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. Thank you everybody.
Have a great night. Dennis, it's good seeing you. Oh.