We didn't want to smoke. >> All right. You ready? Tell me when you're ready. >> Good evening everybody. [Music] All right. Good evening everybody. >> I'd like to welcome you to this historic township committee meeting. Um first
everybody please rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Madame Clerk, >> in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting, specifically the time, date, and public call and information were included in the meeting that was electronically sent to the Echo Sentinel Morris daily record and posted on the township website. The agenda and
public handouts can be viewed online at www.longhillnj.gov. A public comment period will be held in the order it is listed on the meeting agenda. Committeeman Lavender unfortunately is unable to make it tonight. Committeewoman Riker Illine >> here. >> Committeeman Vlesa
>> present. >> Deputy Mayor Peria >> present. >> Mayor Dorsy. >> Yeah. Here. All right. So, I know most you're here for the NJ presentation. But before that, um, first of all, I'd like this, as I said, it's a historic night because
tonight we are going to swear in our first female police chief in Long Hill Township history. [Applause] And as some of our uh chiefs from other towns will attest to, she will be the
only female police chief in Mars County currently. [Applause] So just to give you a quick background, um Alexis is from the finest part of town, Lower Sterling. challenge.
>> Yes. Uh Wong Hills, class of 1993. She went to Maris College. Um she also got a master's degree from the number one basketball team in the Big East, Satan Hall University. Thank you guys. Um she also has a certified public manager from
Ruckers University. Alexis has a NJSA COP command executive training uh certification. She's obviously rose through all the ranks uh from sergeant. She was in the detective bureau for a while. She was lieutenant in 2017 and she's been the officer in charge since
November 2022. Now for obviously for those of you in the audience, you know that a few years ago we had some issues and uh thanks to Lieutenant Chamberlain and also Lieutenant Maresky who's here tonight. They inherited administrative mess. Um, luckily they cleaned everything up with the help of the other
20some members of the department. And now we're at a place tonight where the township has been asking for a chief. The department has been asking for a chief. And now it's time to appoint a chief. So without further ado, I would like to um bring up proclamations uh
which is ordinance or resolution resolution 25-230 appointing Alexis Chamberlo as the police of chief of police of Longhill Township. >> Can I have a second? >> Second. >> Committee woman.
>> Yes. >> Committee Verza. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dorsy. Yes. So now I invite uh Lieutenant Tramberlo to come up front and luckily we have with some distinguished guest Assemblywoman Matudis and Assemblywoman Munoz and I
believe they're going to administer the oath >> and you want to read I don't know >> you're going to put your It's up to her. >> I'm gonna take pictures and let you
guys. >> Yes. >> Put her hand right. >> You hold it. Want me to help you? Repeat after. I state your name. I, Alexis Chambrell, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the State of New Jersey >> and the State of New Jersey. that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same >> and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments established in the United States
>> and to the governments established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> and I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly >> and justly >> perform all the duties >> perform all the duties >> of the office of chief of police of the
township of Longill Police Department here. All the duties of the highlight of our chief. >> All of the duties of the chief of police of the township of Long Hill Police Department. >> It's a lot of words. According to the best of my ability
>> according to the best of my ability >> and that I will not use my office >> And that I will not use my office >> to grant preferential treatment >> to grant preferential treatment >> nor to seek personal gain >> nor to seek personal gain >> favor or advantage >> favor or advantage
>> not available to the general public. not available to the general public. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. And while they're signing the paper, I'd just like to thank all the officers obviously from Long Hill Township. Great turnout, everybody from our fellow
towns. We have people from Berkeley Heights, Warren, Wong, Elizabeth, Dover, Floren Park, and probably other places that I didn't see. It means a lot to see you guys come and support us and we'll support you when when need be. So thank all of you for coming and of course
Cameron for sure. [Applause] Um you know we also would like to present Alexis or Chief Alexis with a resolution from District 21 um which we we'll read to you. Uh we both have our
contact lenses in here. So, we're like it's a uh commendations and praise are extended to Alexis Chambrell um by the citizens citizenry of the 21st 21st New Jersey legislative district
through their elected representatives, Senator John Bramnik, Assemblywoman Munoz, and Assemblywoman Matudis in recognition of her already 26 years of exemplary and faithful service to the citizens of Longhill Township and in
celebration of her appointment in the position of chief of police by the Longhill Township Committee on October 8th, 2025. Congratulations. [Applause]
>> Alexis, if you want to hold this and that we can take nice pictures. And >> if the township committee wants to come on down and take a nice picture, >> that would be appropriate. One, two, three. Right here.
Thank you. [Applause] for a photos, your family. >> All right, everybody else is welcome to stay as long as they want for exciting agenda. >> Oh, more pictures. You can still stay.
>> Hold on. Chief Chamberla would like to address the crowd. >> Well, let pictures, too. [Music] >> I wanted to thank everyone. so much for the support tonight. Uh the showing in the room is absolutely incredible. Um I
would like to thank the administrator and the rest of the township committee for tonight. Um and thank you to both assembly women for um coming and swearing me in. Thank you so much to all the chiefs and um other officers from
other towns that have come. Thank you to the Lieutenant Marches, all the sergeants, and all the officers of the department. Um, it's truly a team effort to actually um get the job done. Um, I wanted to give a big thank you to my
family. Your support has meant a lot. My father would have loved to have seen this moment um but unfortunately he couldn't. Um, and um, I also wanted to thank all the volunteers, the first aid
and fire departments, and everybody else from town that has come out tonight to support me. Um, I'm hoping for great things moving forward. And um for anyone that would
like, there is um an area in the back of the Sterling Hotel that is ready um if you would like to join us afterwards. Thank you. [Applause] Mike's been down. [Music]
[Laughter] Don't worry, Chief. Pleasure. Nice to meet you. way home from school. [Music] [Music] [Music]
>> Hey, I suffered some of those things myself. Yeah, but I really appreciate the [Music] cost any money. So I'm
>> pretty [Music] Congratulations. [Music] >> Hey. >> No, no, Mike. I met you actually. Thanks for watching my [Music]
So you go to [Music] [Music] [Music] it's a tough uh tough act. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. >> Hey Matt, let's get him up. Let's get him up. Let's go. Let's get this moving. >> Kyle, come on down. Next, we are doing
the presentation. New Jersey American Water. >> You're all right. Hopefully our microphone's working. Stupid. >> I think we lost our audience here. >> Tom, get a front row seat, buddy. >> Well, you're from London, so you got to
go get a beer, right? All right. So, for for the people paying attention at home, we have uh Kyle and what's your I know it's Mr. Patel. >> Yes. >> From New Jersey American Water here to give us an update on the condition of the shore plant and uh at least the plan
moving forward. Gentlemen, the floor is yours. >> Thank you very much. I just want to start by thinking >> you have to use the mic. I'm sorry. The microphone's >> aim it up here. >> Whatever you need to do. >> Are we good now? I think we may need to call the police to keep this crowd quiet.
>> Wait, turn it up too. >> Yes, angle it a bit. >> There we go. >> Uh so yeah, just want to start by thanking the committee uh for inviting us again. I think this is really a great opportunity for us. Um I came with uh Minaj, Mr. Patel. Um he is the senior
manager uh for our statewide sewer operations and does oversee the uh employees here at the Longhill plant uh as well as a lot of the capital program. Uh I recently took another position within the company. So wanted to take this opportunity to introduce uh Minaj Patel. Uh he'll be uh the point of
contact moving forward. He's going to provide the update here uh for everybody today. So I'll pass it off to him. But just want to give a sincere thank you to everybody um during my tenure here helping out. And I am not going anywhere. My office isn't changing, just a different department. So if there's
anything the town or the committee needs, please continue to reach out to me anytime. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> I'll hand over. >> Thank you for coming in because it's important update. So public wants to know. Mr. Patel, the floor is yours. >> I'm sorry. >> You're on. >> Thank you.
>> You're welcome, sir. Uh good evening and uh thank you uh mayor and the deputy mayor for uh allowing us uh provide an update on the capital program on the sewer as well as uh the sewer extension
that we're making and the sewer ban. So I'd like to start first with uh the capital program that we have implemented since the takeover of the uh township sewer system. Uh we have made multi-million dollars of investment as you may be aware. We've been updating
the committee as well as uh the folks um uh we have made multi-million million dollars of uh investment and I'd like to kind of go over the list just so that you know uh what they involve. So um
first of all the biggest project that we have done in at the treatment plant is the filter improvement that will allow us uh treat the the flow uh in a proper manner as well as you know we have some issues with INI so that uh those filters
allow us uh to process uh you know additional flow so we have made u that investment and that project is complete. We're just addressing some punch list items. Um there are some uh smaller
equipment upgrades along with that that have been completed. Uh we have done some smaller other projects to uh enhance the the safety of the plant as well as safety of the worker um workers and uh we have made some walkway around
the clarifiers. Uh we have also installed some order control system as well as cover over the slush tanks because we were getting some uh order complaint from nearby residences. So uh to address that we have put uh an order
control system as well as the covers on the tanks. Um we also upgraded clarifiers. Uh that's been complete. Uh we have added a packle system and numerous other u projects uh to help us
treat the sewage um um uh properly and in stay in compliance. Now going forward we do have some more projects planned. Uh one of them would be uh changing the processed water
system to enhance the screening system. Uh we are changing the slice thickener. We're changing the sludge thickener to allow us um you know reduce the quantity of sludge hold from the town uh from the plant. Uh we have planned for uh our
colinity feed uh system improvements and uh also improvements to the ultraviolet system as well as the flow meter. So there are numerous projects at the plant still will be going on for the next couple of years. Uh and that's all to
just make sure that uh we operate the plant in a compliant uh compliant way uh and also provide the best service that we can to the town. Um outside the treatment plant we have done some pump station upgrades uh Morristown
station as well as uh Clover Hill. Those upgrades have been complete and then we're also working on some smaller projects at other six pump stations. So mostly they involve rehabilitation of the building as well as some safety improvements and we're also upgrading
the equipment the pumps the SCADA system um and all other ancillary system that come with the pump station. So we're doing that too and that will continue for next couple of days uh I'm sorry next couple of years uh out in the
system in the collection system we have a cleaning and lining uh program going on currently it's an annual program and we have made to date by the end of this this year actually we will have about 19 plus million dollars of investment in
cleaning the sewer mains and lining them and that's all to reduce the INI high inflow and infiltration that actually gets into the system and ends up at the treatment plant and thus overwhelms the plant. So we've been making a lot of
headways in that and there's a a good um I think uh benefit of that program. We are seeing we're seeing a reduction in some of the stations that are now they were used to be in a high level after heavy rain for days. Now we see that
those high levels going down within um within a day within 24 hours. So that means that we're trying to reduce or we have address some of the major areas uh where we had cleaning and uh uh inflow and infiltration issues. So
um that's about the capital program uh projects that we have implemented as well as we have uh planned for the future years. Any questions? Mr. Mayor, can I So, I think in the beginning you said it was 14
million. I don't know because there was still some noise. 14 million by year end it'll be 19 million. Uh >> roughly roughly >> it would be 19 million in the collection system >> just the collection system line cling and lining and we have other probably
what 25 20 million at the treatment plant I guess >> right and and the re okay I won't I won't pin that down too much the reason why I bring it up and we have some uh uh some members of the public here who will remember this and certainly some of the
members of the committee that's well more than double where the plan had been and when we spoke to the public all those years ago what we said is we knew what with the unknown which defense secretary said that Runfeld right it was
something about we know what we know we know what we don't know but we don't know what we don't know his point is we didn't know what would come down the pipe nor did you because you you could only do whatever uh diligence you could
in assessing the system. The main reason why we knew we had to sell the system is exactly what you're describing tonight. I saw Kyle going like this when I was saying numbers. >> Yeah, >> the numbers are well through. We knew we had to spend 30 million over 20 years.
That's what we knew. But what we were really fearful of is what you're describing tonight. Uh so the the public made a great decision when they voted in referendum to sell the SU system. 70% or 69% to 31%.
Um and and you are uh fulfilling that promise. So as partners, we appreciate that >> and and we do appreciate your support too and I think staying with us because it's not a it's not an easy task to do. It's challenging and I think we
everybody's support been doing it. And another reason why we sold to the P and then there we we spoke to the public about it is we were aware at least we believed that the regulations that came out of the DP would get stricter and
they have in fact gotten stricter. So that's something that as partners you are handling us as a municipality and I remember I spoke to many mayors throughout the state um about the sale of this system and they said no no no and I said you don't understand what's
coming down the pike and I'll tell you u earlier this year or maybe it was last year I spoke on a panel in front of maybe 40 new mayors there were like 40 new mayors that were there spoke and I spoke about the sale of the sewer
system. Five years ago or eight years ago, I would have heard crickets. You you would have thought I was a rock star, but it was Longill, not Guy Berseria. There was a line of mayors, no joke, 15 mayors that came running up. How did you do it? But what do we need
to do? And I'm talking about towns with well-maintained systems systems, which we did not have in that moment because we had 25 years, wasn't members of this committee. We had 25 years of neglect. And I remember I spoke to the then BPU
president. I won't mention his name. And he said, "If you haven't maintained your system over a 25 year period, you must sell. You have no choice." But now, you can read it. There there was a I don't think they sold to NJ American Water. There's a town down south just announced
yesterday that sold their sewer system. And I promise you, you're gonna it's going to be a uh a cavalcade of towns that get out of the sewer business. So, I applaud the township committee. More importantly, I applaud the the residents of Long Hill.
They were smart enough to see what was coming. So, well done. >> And and and thank you for your, you know, words. Uh >> uh with that, I'd like to touch on the expansions, sewer expansions. >> I'm sorry. No, I'm done with my
question. Yes, we thought you were done. That's why. >> All right. Uh expansion sewer expansion project. So, uh it is in full full uh motion. Uh we have uh completed design of sewer extension in several streets uh
in the town. Um I don't have the whole list. I mean, I do have it, but you know, unless you guys want it, I can just go through the list. But there are you know major streets that we have already um designed a sewer for extension for and u current schedule is
to start construction later this year early next year. uh with that sewer expansion projects we've been making about um I would say 3 to5 million per year that's what we have planned for
sewer expansion projects and that's going to continue for next >> but how many years would that be >> I so the way we are targeting the sewer expansion is we have three different categories of areas >> category one two and three I don't know
if anybody remembers it one category one is the easiest one and uh that's where we have sewer already. Uh and we've been as soon as we lift the sewer ban we can allow you know the applicants to make an
application we review them and approve their connections. Category two is where it's in the service area but we don't have sewer. So that's where we're extending. So right now um I don't know the exact schedule but it's going to be
continuous. We're going to complete the design get the permits and construct and then another phase will start. So I would say >> D not long hell >> uh D permits. Yeah, we we need to get TWWA permits and uh other challenging uh
aspect of this in construction is as you know long hill certain areas are um not flat. So in those areas we have to construct lift stations. So lift station require property acquisition. So that's
where some time consuming there. uh we need some more time there and uh other areas are hard to escalate because of the rock. So it's going to affect the construction, but we're not going to stop. We're going to we have a plan in
place. We have funding secured for this type of work. So I would say at least two to three years we're going to go that in the meantime in the meantime in the meantime we will get the category 3 projects ready. Uh currently we have
made an application for amendment of the WQ WQ MM plant uh plan. Uh and that's with the Morris County right now. They're reviewing it. Once that's approved, then we're going to start the process of u uh I think there's a
service area extension uh involved with it and that will BPU will get involved as well as the D for TW permits. So it's just planned out process for next three to four years that we're going to be you know installing new sewers uh extension
in the areas that we don't sewers right now. So >> you mentioned some were you able to give us some of the street names or neighborhoods now? >> Uh yes. >> Okay, that'd be great. >> Absolutely. >> That's what people want to hear. >> I was just waiting. >> No, not that's that's what most of the public answers about. So, uh, so Mercer
Street, South Southfield, Long Hill Road, Central Avenue, Long Hill Road at Carlton. >> Which one? Long Hill Avenue. >> Long Hill watch, sir. I couldn't hear. >> Carlton. >> Oh, Carlton. Carlton. Okay. Can't hear the feedback. Not your fault.
>> Okay. Longill Road. Uh, Broadview. Long Road. Cal. >> K. >> Yep. Apple Hill Drive, Jody Lane, Fan View Road, Deer Path.
Um, >> not your fault. >> Is it me or >> No, no, no. Had problems that microphone before you stood up today. At least at least the battery didn't >> Oh, all right. You Sorry about that, Mr. Patel. Go ahead. >> Sorry. >> No problem.
>> Uh, Hollywood Avenue, Crashwood Road. Marsville Road, Upper Marsville area, >> uh, Delaware Avenue, Baker, Sterling, Country Lane, Pleasant Plane Road, Mountain A,
Sassifrris, I may be mispronouncing that correct. uh Marsville Road, lower Mars, Marsville, uh and the other smaller streets uh and other individual homes that are already fronting the existing sewer that we're
going to be we're planning to install connection. >> You mentioned it was tier one, tier two, tier three. The ones you just mentioned, do they fall into one or do they fall into all three categories? >> So, that's a good question. Uh the first three that I mentioned, Mercer South and Long Hill Road, these
projects are currently being bid to the contractor. Right. So, >> gotcha. >> Bullet three, I'm sorry, 1, two, and 15. Bullet three is slated for TWWs. So, bullet three is Longill Road, Central Avenue. >> But, but if if if the committee would
like when I we can send a follow-up communication. >> Why not? Yeah. We It's a big list. >> It's a big list. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, perfect. I believe she put some names out there which is more than we've had in four years. So people are going to be in conversation Mercer Street and Mercer Street and Southfield.
>> Yes. >> Is that what you said is going out the bid that's that's like extension of sewer lines I believe. Yes. >> Yes. So those are going to be available to people shortly once project. >> Correct. So we're going to start construction later this year
>> and we're going to work with the township. But then I think u my estimation would be probably um springtime we should be able to finish the construction and then start giving the connections.
>> Yeah. And um dep um the list we just provided does does encompass all three categories. So >> that's what I clarif estimate timeline to include all three categories. a lot of time. So, you don't
have to be granular right now. Uh what is that a fiveyear timeline? Is it a threeyear timeline? What do you think? >> I would say personally somewhere between the two. Um we are for the category 3es we're at the mercy of the county uh updating the plan.
>> So, that's going to be our lynch pin. Um the the other two categories we can move forward with as as we can and I think those certainly within you know the next three or so years. And I I don't know if you wanted to pivot now and I think this is Jackson.
>> How did you know? Uh where do we stand on the sewer ban? >> That was the next point that we were talking about. So we're approaching the 5year anniversary of the purchase or to sell. Uh and we are on target to lift a
ban and allow uh connections. um they will have the the applicants will have to make uh regular applications and we will review them you know and and make a decision on that. >> We have our planning board chair in the back right now so he's listening closely
to that. >> So so that that's the that's a good news. Uh let me just see if I can >> right >> I'll I'll add to that that the last meeting which you guys are where we we
did a TWWA including the TWWA agreement with Gillette crossing that went back to you guys and now I guess you guys have to do your process of going to D and getting the permits and so forth for that approvals for that. So that that's
absolutely positive. So >> no, >> there'll be um just just on that note, there will be more to come as applications come in. >> Sure. >> If they do fall within a TWWA category, >> they'll require both both parties to to review and sign off. Um once you guys do
that, it comes to us. Uh we have to do our, you know, our internal review for capacity and everything. Verify that that uh we can accept then we approve. Ju just to clarify, has the ban been lifted or is it going to be lifted by the end of the month? >> It'll be lifted later this month. >> Oh, okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. And Kyle, you look bad. He came like Santa Claus today with more information than we ever had. So, no. Thank you, gentlemen. If you can, can you email the the list of the streets to Randy so we can be posted? Yeah. And then Randy can disseminate it. But that's more information than we've
gotten like three and a half years. Thank you for coming, Mr. Kyle. Thank you for everything you've done. Mr. Patel, welcome aboard. Thank you so much. >> And I hope we didn't drive you to another position. >> Absolutely not. >> And by the by the way, Mr. Patel, we didn't hide the fact that there are
hills in Long Hill. >> That's the name. >> You can speak to your management. >> It's Long Hill. >> All right. >> All right. >> They're long gone. Don't worry. >> All right. Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you so much for allowing us to provide update. >> Great update.
>> All right. So, now we'll try something new. Uh the meeting is now open to the public for brief comments about ordinances that are first reading only >> and resolutions >> and resolutions and stuff for second reading. Obviously you can comment on that at the appropriate time. So this is
only for stuff that's first reading and you have three minutes. >> Go ahead. Thank you very much Charles Reynolds Millington. Thanks for initial opportunity of the new meeting format. Thanks to committee woman Aubrey Breker
Elaine. Four comments. Comment one, salary ranges ordinance 574-25. >> That's second rated. >> No, it isn't. Why do you have the the position of public safety director on the list when you just had the new chief
of police take the oath of office? This position is a direct slap in the face to the new chief. Where is the salary range for police captain that was approved for the last meeting? Comment two, compensation of officials and employees for calendar
year 2025 resolution 25-236. So that taxpayers can see the yearly salary increases, please include last year's salary with a new list of new salaries. Since we hired another expert,
our HR consultant, the taxpayers deserve to have access to the normal distribution bell-shaped curve to reward our outstanding employees. Comment three,
an ordinance amending section 124-1 of the township land use ordinance regarding apartments and business zones, ordinance 564-25. What is so magical about the densities of 12 units per acre for apartments?
During round three requirements for their affordable housing units, the planning board and the township committee approved 12 units per acre which is achieved at Prism/TIFA
with 11.9 units per acre which includes 2.4 units of the super fun site. You take that out, it's 15 units an acre and Gillette Crossings with 12.04 4 units per acre with the highest approved
building in the township. You approved 12 units per acre where there are no subdivisions in the township in lower units per acre. Copper Lane 54 units 3.74 acres per unit.
Chestnet run 32 units at 4.1 units. Sunrise 132 units at 6.4 units. No. No acres, 51 units, 6.7 units per acre.
Please rethink something less than magical 12 units per acre for our community. Was this magical number created under political pressure by Prism and Elite Properties? Especially when elite properties got the upper hand
at thermoplastics and held a gun to your heads because you didn't listen to your engaged experts. Once again, comment four. Several of the land use ordinance changes mentioned substantial growth.
New Jersey missile land use law defines substantial growth as long-term strategy for development that balances economic growth, environmental protection, and social well-being for both current and future generations.
Food for thought are the recently approved applications for Taco Bell and Wendy's substantial growth. Thank you for your time. Thank you for doing the inaugural
one three minutes. Anybody else regarding public comments to things on the agenda for the first time tonight? Anybody online? >> Would like to speak? >> You can go the other time.
>> Yes. Three minutes. Three minutes. Hold on. We got Marian online, I believe. No, you you come up here. >> Yes. Hi. >> Here we go. We hear you. Go ahead. >> Who should go first? It doesn't matter to me. >> Maryanne, we can hear you.
>> Okay. Um, just want to make sure I don't want I sent everyone an email. I didn't want to waste anyone's time tonight. So, um I did a bit of a scrubbing of the ordinances and my focus was really on the residential commercial. Um
commercial is commercial that's another but anyway um I hope you all have it in hand. Um, it's it's pertaining to ordinance 577-25. [Music] And basically, I don't want to again I don't want to waste people's time
because I know this is the first reading, but I have very I have five very specific questions. Um, if anyone has read this or looked at it, if they could answer any of these questions now, that would be great. If
not, um, we could table it to the next meeting. But I think it's critical. One of which I think most important was my number three regarding commercial vehicles. >> You know what vehicles you said? >> Okay. In terms of discussion >> and you know I see things a little
different because I'm a resident outside of the sphere. Um but these five issues I want to say kind of stuck out to me. um you know something about a community
shelter on the R30 zone which I know would be me. Um so again if you had a chance to read it and if you like it make a comment now if not you know the next go round. >> All right thank you.
>> Thank you. I did read it. I do have some call outs but we can go through the rest of the public comments and then >> All right Mr. White you're up. >> Thank you. Good evening everyone. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Oh, yeah. You're good. >> Great. Great. Um, like to talk about the master plan. I thought it was actually
going to be a bigger subject tonight. I didn't realize uh we're going to just uh go over a few things with it. Um, I was looking at the master plan on page uh 38 4-9. I don't know if anybody has
this in front of them by any chance or >> the master plan. No. Okay. Well, it just shows the uh what they plan on changing like the R4 to the R5. That happens to be my neighborhood over there, the R5. I think I think it's definitely headed in the right direction because I think I mentioned this a few
times to a few like guy uh a few few things about the lot coverage there and how none of the lots are conforming to today's u uh what what is required today by the township. These lots are, you know, probably from a 100 years ago. Um,
and what it has in um, R4 now is 20,000 square ft you need. Um, and they want to change pretty much Milton Dy Avenue, uh, Gates Avenue, which is really small lots, and I think it's a section of Long
Hill on the south side, which you have lots there that are actually 40t wide, believe it or not. >> Um, yeah, it's crazy. Um, and again, I've talked to a few few guys about this. you know, people want to fix like their front porch, you know, it's within the 50 ft and their lot is whatever 50
feet wide. They're required to have 100 feet wide. Um, it's just then they got to, you know, they they got to get their survey. They got to get their locker rating plan. That's five grand. Pay three grand to come in front of the board. Meanwhile, they just want to fix their porch for $1,500 and they're not doing it. So, the porch is falling apart. That's just a quick example.
Anyhow, um, so the R4 now is 20,000 square feet, which I have one of the bigger lots on DY Avenue, the second biggest lot on Dy Avenue. I'm 120 wide by 150. So, I'm under 20,000 and I have one of the bigger lots. Now, they want
to change the R5, which would be 10,000 square ft, which would help out uh a lot of people on the block and the neighborhood. Um, but I believe it's uh what I was reading here also on page 37. If they do switch it to R5, they
have they're still going to have it 100t wide requirement. It's still not going to work because nobody's lot on the block is 100t wide. A lot of them are 60 feet wide. Uh because you take this into consideration and it's such a small, you know, threeb block radius. what they're doing is if they can make the lot 60 ft
wide, 10,000 square ft. Um, and maybe the side side setbacks 10 ft uh would be helpful. At least somebody could fix their house like if they wanted to do their porch, their stairs, something rather than, you know, they got to spend 10 grand and come in front of the board,
which they're not going to do. >> Are you referencing 577-25 ordinance? >> He's looking at the master plan. >> I'm looking at the master plan. No, >> but we're not this isn't there's nothing about the master plan per se itself on on the agenda and I I agree with you but
since we're already half >> I just I told Mr. Jones had told me he goes they're not addressed at that time like I'm here >> so I figured part if I just bring this up you can notice >> I just wanted to make sure it wasn't part of the ordinance yet >> it's a little bit out of order but but >> I'm sorry about that. Yeah. >> Jack, can you can you explain for the
public and frankly for us >> what Paul is saying if somebody Why would they have to go through a rigorous process to fix a $1,500 repair >> because they have a non-conforming lot. So every time they want to do anything
to their property, if they want to put a deck out back, even if it's within a setback, >> Yeah. but 100 years ago was conforming. >> Agreed. Agreed. But if they want to expand in some way, they can certainly keep. >> But a porch is not expanding. >> Well, it would only be an expansion. They can repair the porch within the
same footprint. But if like I say, a deck is a better example. If they want to put a new deck out back or a sun room out back >> because the lot is under sized even if they're meeting all other bulk requirements, they still have to go adjustment because of that fact. So if the porch I use a silly example if the
porch had 10 steps but now it's going to have 15 15 steps >> if you extend >> is there any way to avoid this >> right I'm sorry >> is there any way to avoid >> I think the only way to do it is to have real realistic zoning that reflects current conditions you know it's one
thing if you think the area is going to be redeveloped and you want to have bigger lots when it's redeveloped but if those homes are probably going to be there in 50 years then it really doesn't accomplish anything >> it seems to And it is possible somebody might buy two or three undersized lots and put a big home, but the owner the
owner should be on that owner, not on the current owner who lives in a an undersized lot, >> but but it got zoned out from under the >> lots were all legal when they were built. >> That's my point.
>> And it happens everywhere. And it's a problem. I agree. >> Yes. There's people said you got to go before the board $3,000 and whatever escros and application fees, you know. So, >> and just I'll finish it then or
>> but it's hard it's hard to reflect in a neighborhood, you know, it's a small neighborhood. >> So, it's not an easy question. It's not an easy solution, I should say. >> Fair enough. >> That's what I was going to ask about was what is the solution? And based on the, you know, the you brought up a good example with the map and everything.
Obviously, there's different zones with the potential solution would be within each of those zones, you have specific requirements that reflect the nuances that are in that. >> That's right. But you can't spot zone. So, as I say, it's not an easy.
>> And if I could just add to something else, Mr. Pitch, also the lot coverage is a big problem. >> You know, that's another thing. Um, it already exceeds a lot coverage. >> I mean, it's like 20 25% and you know, no, you put a house in a driveway, you're already over it, you know. And if I could also add um another example,
there was a guy on Gates. I think he had an old staircase and when you have your front door, whatever you step out, you're supposed to have a 3ft by 3 foot landing. His ass is all whatever it was, it was like a foot and a half or something and it was 50 ft from the curb. So again, to make the porch bigger
now, I know what you're saying. You can replace the exact same thing, but he can't replace the exact same thing because it's only a foot and a half, right? So if he goes and gets a permit, >> they're going to say, "Okay, you got to extend it because it's got to be a three-foot landing when you step out." >> Now he goes, "Okay." So now they go, "Okay, get a survey. Get this." And he
looks he goes, "The porch is a couple grand. I got to spend 8,000 to come." You know what? The porch is falling apart. Or they throw some cement on it. >> I was just giving an example. But >> yeah, I'm just giving you another example because I know you said I know you said you can replace it, >> right? >> You're right. Under the perfect circumstance, it was a perfect three-foot landing. But again, some of
these houses were built, you know, 70 years ago. They don't >> they're building >> they have where you're walking out you're stepping down two steps sometimes they want to replace it and fix it you know again we go round and round >> I think it's on the send the planning board >> they'll be happy to hear >> Mr. Jones is very happy to hear that.
>> Yeah. But again, it's definitely I the way they isolated that one area. These are the problem area. It's not much. It's three, four blocks, but I mean, if they take consideration, you know, uh like they said, like I said, they want to have 100 foot, you know, across and, you know, 10,000 square foot. I mean,
again, most of the lots are 50 feet and 60 feet. You know, there are some bigger lots. Like I said, I have one I have the second biggest lot on Dy Avenue. I'm 120 ft wide, but like my neighbors next door, Brokus, they're 60 feet wide. And next them the Frankies. They're 60 feet wide. >> I I live by the adage at least in this
room that no good deed goes unpunished. So if an opening comes up on the planning board, I'm nominating Paul to fill that pole. >> Sorry. >> Okay. Anyhow, but uh you know, we just I just wanted to bring that up and hopefully I can pass it on. And uh Mr. Jones had mentioned it.
>> Well, he had mentioned he's called he had mentioned it might be a better time to address it further down when they're addressing >> uh this this part of the uh master plan. Uh I thought it was going to be addressed tonight, but since I'm here, I figure I might as well. >> Thank you as always.
>> All right. Anybody else online? >> Maryanne would like to speak. >> She already did. >> No, there's a different >> Oh, all right. Hello. >> Go ahead, ma'am. >> Hi, my name is Mary Finnis. I'm at 140
Laurel Avenue, Sterling, New Jersey. I was trying to get information about the um ordinance for the abuing commercial property owners being responsible for their sidewalks, improving of the sidewalks or um repairing them. And I
wanted to have some kind of clarification as to what that means because I'm not an attorney and I'm not an ordinance specialist. I was hoping maybe you can shed some light on that. >> Sure. >> Uh Jack will for you, Maryanne. >> Yeah. What it means is that the abuing
commercial property owners rather than the township will be responsible for maintaining, repairing, and replacing if necessary the sidewalks in front of or in the side of their property. >> Okay. So, I've been trying to contact
Well, I've been in touch with Al Gallo, who I see in the audience. Hi, Al. And I've been asking him for years about trying to redo the sidewalks along Valley Road because they're horrible. there's big chunks of stone and you know it's a tripping issue and people with
strollers can't even go down that road because you know in front of Dunkin Donuts the Sterling Diner but um Al told me it was county property and there wasn't anything that we could do but how do we know what is county and what's not and where it falls on the on the
commercial business or whether it's the town or the county. It's a county rightaway, but the township can certainly work on sidewalks in the county right away with the county's permission. >> But where there's commercial property, Jack, >> commercial properties will now be
responsible for those repairs, >> even though it's on a county road. >> And I agree with you on those sidewalks, Maryanne. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you guys ever walk down Valley Road, but it's treacherous. And there's there's a big hole in one piece. um there the in front
of the diner, in front of Dunkin' Donuts, in front of the old Bank of America, which is now Taco Bell. Um I was the one that would call the town and say, "Hey, can somebody do something about this property where Bank of America was because their lawn was up to the windows and it was just
treacherous." And so finally I had somebody there at the town that was predium at the time and he like reinforced and made sure that they took care of their property even though they weren't there anymore. So, if we're saying that commercial properties are going to be responsible for this, how
are we going to enforce it? Because that's a tough thing to do >> through through the code enforcement officer. If they don't do it, they can be issued a summon uh and the town can go in and do it and charge them. >> Okay. So, what what strip are we talking
about? Like, is this for any commercial business? >> Any commercial property? Yes. In the commercial zone. So, so when I took videos and pictures and things like that of the broken up concrete on the sidewalks, who who
should I send that to as far as like >> You should send that officer do something. >> Yes. Mr. Andre is the code enforcement officer. He's very good about getting people to comply with the code. So, >> but he can't do it yet. >> Yeah, he can't do it yet. >> Second reading. But I was under the
impression we were we began uh correct me if I'm wrong out to assess the situation with the sidewalks to see >> with respect to the residential. >> I thought I thought it was both. I'm sorry. >> We have we have a survey of uh sidewalks within the town. Um and you know we we
have um applied areas that are in need of replacement and applied uh dollar values to those to replace all the sidewalks which uh Mr. Vzi you've talked about is over a million dollars um well over a million dollars. So
>> is that just for the residential or does that include the commercial we're talking about >> to take a I >> res >> I don't have the information in front of me. No, I'm not. >> I I did have it two meetings ago, but I don't have it >> residential. >> Residential. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, that's just for the residential. >> But but we can
>> I'm not concerned about the residential because, you know, I'm worried about like Valley Road and what it looks like and the abandoned buildings and the broken concrete. >> That's what this is going to try to fix. >> Especially when since we're building, you know, God willing, Central Park right across the street, we want to
encourage people to use it and walk to it. We're going to have a have to have a pathway to get there safely. We we should survey those sidewalks and improve the property and has our nudes. Yes. Obligation >> to repair. >> Absolutely. >> So who would do that? Like who would instruct that?
>> So like would that be Randy saying to >> Yes. >> DPW would be doing >> just like just close that loop. >> Yep. >> All right. >> Okay. Okay. So tell me tell me again who who's going to take care of this and how do we get it done and what can I do on
my end because like I said I've made several calls to to Al and um he informed me that it was held you know that it was on the county to fix the sidewalks. Um and I'm talking years not just like recently. So I just want to
know that like we're going to do it. We're going to clean up Valley Road because it really is an embarrassment at this point between the sidewalks and the abandoned buildings. It's just out of control. And I don't know if you guys realize it or if you walk the town, but
I like to walk and I see all this stuff. And when I see it, it makes me crazy because our town wasn't like this before. And I don't understand why it's taking so long for us to get these abandoned buildings knocked down or taken over. Thank you, Maryanne. We're
working on that and that's why we're that's why we have the ordinance on for second reading actually tonight. Correct. Yeah. So, second reading tonight. So, this will be going sooner than you think because assuming it passes, then we'll move along and we can get that survey out and Mr. Andres can start doing his job once he knows. All
right. Next order of business. Where are we, Madame Clerk? We're now at the ordinance section. So, it's the first reading of the land use ordinance regarding apartments and business zones 576-25. >> I wanted to just bring up two things with these two. Sorry.
>> Go ahead. No, you can. >> Here we go. Um, with both of these, I think in some cases, and maybe this was done, but the background on some of these, because I know these are obviously the the first time we're seeing them, but the background on some of those, and it kind of I think goes
with the the committee request I made a couple a few times about having the committees report out in terms of things that are going on. I don't think we need to see every nitty-gritty piece. But I think for some of these maybe bigger things or before they come into ordinance form to have those discussions
to understand where the background is on them I think would be very helpful. I think it's for both of these that applies. And then also um I thought this as well as we got some feedback from the public as well in terms of the um 577-25 the understanding the map and the the
pieces there with that re reszoning and things like that unless that was already issued and we've seen it and I missed it. Um but I think that's also an important call out that I know the public did as well as I saw that when I was reading it. So I think this just reinforces that idea and about the
committ reporting out in terms of what are big things and I think the planning maybe in zoning committees more so than some of the others because that really has major impact in terms of our our town aesthetic our livability all of that and I think that that's important if we have some of those key items
brought forth before these ordinance come in to better understand the background >> so what you're saying if there's something that's on the agenda for example a cell tower which is coming up recently that we should know about it >> before somebody calls but before somebody halfhazard kind learns about
it. I think this town committee >> should know about those things or Wendy's or whatever that is prior to it becoming an ordinance or prior to that that being adopted. >> Well, it would have to be on would have to be on their agenda because we have no say, but you're saying we would at least like to know about it. >> I think I mean I don't know maybe that's
not right and Jackie but I think we should know. >> No, we can know about it. >> We've discussed with respect to substantive ordinances that we discussed it at one meeting and not introduce it till the next meeting which is what you had suggested. Right. >> And the first couple ordinances we got in the planning board were really
discuss. Okay. So that's why I just want to flag that because I saw these I was like I don't know any of the background for these. >> So these were on for discussion I believe it was three meetings ago and they came directly from the township planner. Um and I had asked for them to
go back to the planning board to make it so the entire planning board had visibility on these before they came to the township committee. So these will they've gone back to the planning board. Um it was discussed at the planning
board. They then came back to us um and they will go back to the planning board for master plan consistency review and then come back to you guys for um second reading and adoption. My understanding were these were cleanups that were taken
under um consideration by the planning board subcommittee that is going over the ordinances. So that is how these came to fruition tonight. Thank you. That's helpful >> in conjunction with the master plan that was just >> Thank you. And I just think also with
that though having that visibility like this group should have that visibility I think more so and I don't know the the right way of maybe articulating that but I think just to again better understand the background to it for us as well as the public.
So for clarification and and out there that this ordinance 57625 uh was published uh incorrectly. Uh we received the wrong um ordinance from the planning board. The
title for the uh for this should be uh land use-124.1 apartments in village and hamlet zones. And the sentence at the end, the I think this is what Mr. Awenowitz was talking about, the gross density of all
apartments on the lot shall not exceed three units per quarter acre is removed. And I think just to better understand the rationale behind why these are coming up. Th >> these are going to be coming up for
quite some time because this is going to be they are doing ordinances uh in conjunction with the passing of the master plan to get the ordinances in in alignment with the master plan. So this is going to be an ongoing project uh well into next year I would assume. I
also think that and not not to say anything about Scott, but Scott is your planning board liaison. So if he was here, he might be able to shed a little bit better light. >> That's right. Correct. >> As to what happened from the planning board because I just think otherwise all
of us see it. We're like, what is this? I don't understand the background. >> Well, that's why you have township liaison people to each of those committees to come back to report >> on what's what is updated with those committees and so forth. I love that idea. Assuming everyone is present at
all of those meetings and comes back and reports out >> just being not not that Randy doesn't do enough already. One thing we used to do >> we just added more things. No, but no. One one thing we used to do is we would have the administrator put together a
document and it could have 20 items on it and 18 of them may not have an update from meeting to meeting >> but yeah it was under Neil Henry >> and what would happen is so it might say uh cell tower Millington
firehouse. So we we would keep in mind and actually it would make Ry's job a little easier. So rather than have to answer you >> write that but like the committee should be filtering that up to him to >> correct and then it just gets added as an item and very often no update but at
least we don't lose track of Wendy's. We don't lose track of cell power >> right because we're not tracking all those meetings. So actually I think Randy it makes your job easier so you don't have Vic calling you on one item Aubry calling you on another. It's just in that simple document.
>> And it doesn't have to be all the different iterations of this, you know, little baby like lane of grass went left instead of right. Like some of the more major things that really impact roadies and exactly >> right. It's a paving project, right? And and >> yeah, >> so if we didn't if Randy didn't bring it
up just moments ago, it might not be on our radar, >> right? So I think that and I don't know that we need to like how do we institute that >> and who communicate that to the committees that that >> I think poor Randy we just communicated it to them. >> Yeah. And I'll and I'll uh talk to the
department heads that are >> But then you don't have you don't have five bobbleheads calling you every other day for updates. >> As as a matter of fact today I I I I'm still reviewing it but I just got an annual report from the uh planning board zoning. though um with with uh projects
that have been approved over the last three years. >> Thank you. I just think it I think it'll help some of the dialogue and discussion as these come up. It'll just be a little more seamless because some of the rational and background will be there. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, uh >> so those changes can be made because it's only introduction. So, the
ordinance will be introduced >> with those changes. All right. So, this is uh introduce 576-25. >> Anyone? >> Some moved. Thank you. >> Second >> committee woman Riker Ela. A lot of corrections that we talked about Veriza.
>> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor. >> Yes. Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. Now move on to 577-25. Another first reading of the land. >> Can I have anything, please? >> I'll make a motion. Unless Jack, you wanted to briefly describe it.
>> I mean, it'll go. >> It's up to you, Mr. Mayor. What do you want to do? >> I thought this is the same. I thought you gave the background of both of these. >> You did. All right. Okay. The same. Okay. >> All right. So, well, the same background, I guess. >> 577-25.
>> There is a motion from deputy mayoria. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Committeewoman Riker align. >> Yes. With the corrections we discussed. >> Correction. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor. Yes. Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. All right. Now, we have the uh
second reading. adoption of the salaries and wages four 574-25. >> If I may jump in, the one that was published in the agenda is incorrect. >> Okay. >> It is the one that we discussed at the last meeting with a few different
changes. Mr. Orenowitz was correct that um the public safety director shouldn't be on there. Um uh the captain should be on there with the salary range as described in the last meeting.
I believe the clerk salary went up. Shane, uh, the community did that one? >> Yeah, I forget what it's called. >> Community director community services director. Yep. Did that one go up?
>> I believe it did. Yes. So it will be the correct one that was reflected in last last uh meetings agenda and meeting minutes with the captain change. >> All right. So the police director's
gone. You fixed the thing with the salary as Mr. asked for and a couple other things. Again, just because there's a police captain position doesn't mean we're filling it. It's just there in case sometime we do want to fill it. >> Right. the the police captain has actually I I I read into the record a
the wrong number. Um so if you want to that's the only thing that we're having a public hearing on tonight is that because that's what's what was added at the last meeting the p the police captain uh position. Um it had a a high
salary of I believe 223 if I'm not mistaken. Uh that should have been 203. Okay. Okay. So, if if the committee wants to just not approve that and it won't be on the uh ordinance,
that's fine. If you want to leave it, no harm, no foul. Um it it, you know, does it is higher than the chief of police, but again, u there's statutory protections against the chief of police salary against any other officer within the department. So, um and again, right
now, we don't have a captain's position. um in place nor do I think we're looking for anything in the near future. >> Plus, it's just a range. >> So, for purposes of moving forward, just leave it as it is. It's kind of >> understood. We don't We don't >> understood. Yep.
>> Got it. Anybody from the public have any questions or comments regarding the salary and wages ordinance? >> Anybody online? >> Anybody on Zoom would like to make a public comment regarding the uh ordinance, please raise your hand now.
I don't see anyone there. >> Motion to approve ordinance 574-25. >> So moved. >> You mean second? >> Second. >> Uh committee woman RER. >> Yes. Committeeman Vlesa. >> Yes. >> Mayor Mayor Dorsy.
>> Yes. All right. The next one is with uh Mr. Finnis already asked us about 575-25 about the making commercial property owners responsible for the sidewalks abudding their property. uh open this up to the public. Anyone from the public? Anyone online?
>> If anybody on Zoom would like to make a public comment regarding this ordinance, please raise your hand now. >> I don't see anyone. >> Motion to approve ordinance 575-25 on second reading. >> Second. >> Committee woman. >> Yes.
>> Committee Verza. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor. >> Yes. Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. All right. Now, consent agenda resolutions. Is there anyone any other 25232 to 238? Anything on here we need to discuss or anybody wants to discuss and or recuse themselves with?
>> Mr. Mayor, can I just ask a question? Uh why do why do we need a consent resolution this evening to reappoint our incredibly uh competent municipal clerk? Why is that? >> We probably be overly cautious, but the
statute just provides for four-year terms. It should actually provide that once you have tenure it's >> exactly >> but it doesn't say that. So >> so in your in your opinion it needs to be done. >> We should protect ourselves and it's just in the consent agenda easy to do. >> Did you not want to approve that or did
you want to rule it out or >> for the record? For the record. Let the record show I said our incredibly competent municipal clerk. >> All right guys, do your thing. So motion to approve consent agenda is resolutions
number 25-231 232 >> 238 Ry's putting pressure on me. >> Oh 231 >> I think I said it. It's done. >> We need a second. >> You got it. >> Second. Anyone? >> Second.
>> Committee woman. >> Yes. >> Committeeman Verza. >> Yes. >> Deputy mayor. >> Uh yes. >> Mayor Dorsy. >> Yes. Committee reports. Sky, we'll start with you. >> Nothing to report. NJ American Water did as good a job or better than I could have done. So, yay.
>> They were good. Thank you. All right. So, we for the committee for me, I have we had a community cleanup day on Saturday. I think was pretty successful. Thank you to the Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts that came out, the other residents that showed up to help out. I know there were a lot of junk picked up. And thank you to all the uh gentlemen
down at DPW helped out with in the for assisting in getting everything set up and Colette for putting the program together. Second, uh, and thank you for Sterling Fire and the fire safety director, Don Huber, for putting together the fire safety breakfast on Sunday. Al, you did you raised a decent
amount of money, right? >> Yeah. 199. >> They got 199 people they served. Again, thanks to all the volunteer firemen and their families that helped out, the Boy Scouts for hustling back and forth from the tables, taking orders, and the cooks because, as I say, anytime you go to
Sterling Fire, you get a good meal. So, thank you to the cooks. All right, and that's it for me. Which one do you have? Aubrey queued up first or Vic? Aubrey, you're up. >> Library update. The library is open Monday through Sunday. We just hosted last week our seasonal book discussion modeled after the German tradition of
coffee, cake, and conversation. Our adult schedule of activities is here. Adult and kid weekly schedules are shared on social media, newsletters, and through the school's Friday flyer, as well as posted around town. To note, there are free Italian classes on
Tuesdays and free On Fridays this fall, book to boo. Check out books and earn raffle tickets to Bright Nights at Viagra Farm. The library shows free movies throughout the week, even on Sundays. The library is also hosting an evening
Frankenstein monster movie marathon this month. This season, online cooking classes for all ages. Learn a new recipe at home. We have lots of great author talks, most of which can be watched live or recorded. Find out more on our website.
And last but not least, the friends of the library are hosting a community shreddit day on Saturday, November 8th from 10 to 1 in the library's parking lot. This event is a fundraiser for the library. >> That's it. Done. >> Excellent. Should I not be?
>> No, I did not. >> I was going to ask about the community the committee goals and having somebody out blah blah blah. I mean, it goes with the committee. >> I don't care. >> I just could keep bringing it up until
I'm gone and then it doesn't happen. >> Most likely to be honest. >> All right. >> You're welcome. >> Thanks, Aubrey. >> All right. >> No, I want you to enforce something. It's my time, guys. I've been waiting.
You should stay quiet, man. >> All right. Our recreation update for October 8th is as follows. Fall is in full swings in park parks and recreation. We are preparing for Halloween and keeping all the ghouls and goblins at bay. While Hicks Track still
remains closed due to activity and repairs to the sewer lines that run along the area by New Jersey American Water. We hope that the work we hope that the park will reopen soon so that we can it can encourage some fall leaf peeping along the pathways.
Please watch our website for updates on this. We are in the midst of hire of the hiring process for our basketball programs and we'll be posting information on the recreation basketball page of the website as the hiring
process evolves. We are halfway through our travel basketball tryyouts. All teams should be selected shortly. >> We're got me.
>> Slide number three. Adult Open basketball starts on October 16th and runs at Central School on Thursday nights from 7:30 p.m. till 9:30 till 900 p.m. until um May 7th of 2026.
Pre-registration on community pass is necessary in order to attend. More information is available on our website. Registration for the recreation basketball is now open and closes on November 1st. These programs are held at
Millington and Central Schools on Saturday mornings. Please see the website for more information and register before November 1st. This is a hard deadline, so don't delay. All right, moving on to slide number
five. There is still room to sign up for yoga Wednesday mornings starting starting October 29th. Please register on community pass if interested. More information is available on the website.
Get those costumes ready. Our annual Halloween parade is coming up on Sunday, October 19th at 300 p.m. sharp in Caner Park. This is a fun and free event for all longheld children and families.
Please come and join us. >> Are you going to be um >> judging? >> If I'm there, sure. >> Yeah, planning on being there. Giana as usual. >> The Long Hill First Aid Squad will be once again hosting their trunk or treat
event in the Town Hall parking lot on Saturday, October 25th from 1:30 till 3:30 p.m. No registration is necessary. Come dressed and ready to trickor treat. Just added, Long Hill Parks and
Recreation will be hosting a babysitting training class for students in grades 6 through 12. This course will be held on Sunday, November 16th at the Longhill First Aid Squad training room from 9:00 a.m. till
3:00 p.m. Students will learn tips on how to stay safe when they are home alone, watching younger siblings, or babysitting. Space is limited, so please register early. The cost is $119 per student. Please check out our website
for more information. Oscar the Grouch is back on the prowl again. >> On Thursday, October 2nd, with the beautiful weather and schools closed, Caner Park was filled with lots of students enjoying the park. However,
lots of trash was left behind and not in the trash recepticles. We all need to work together to keep our parks clean for everyone to enjoy. We received lots of complaints about the conditions of the park on Thursday evening.
We could do better than this, says Oscar the Grouch. >> Not yet. And finally, last but not least, always looking for new members to join our recreation advisory committee.
Interested? Please contact the parks and recreation department. And that concludes my recreation update. Thank you. >> Thank you, Randy. You're up. >> Uh couple things. Uh the uh health department had um shots today, clinic
going on in the library. They had flu shots. uh I think pneumonia shots. Um and they had quite a good turnout. Um so it was a very good program. They were they were very pleased and uh look forward to uh doing it next year. Um
they were uh using a registration program that was a little um difficult to manage through. So, they're thinking about changing that program for next year to um make it a little easier for residents because when they came in, they only had 11 registered people, but
uh they had over 30 people show up today. >> So, and a couple employees and a couple people from the audience actually uh took advantage of it. So, uh that was great. Um Longill Road construction project is out on the streets. Um the
bid is due on I believe the 17th of October uh which will be put on the next meeting for awarding on the 22nd. Uh so we're moving forward with that with the state project and we also have a application for the second half of Long
Road uh before the state um as currently. So we should hear about that in November. >> Yeah, we'll follow up with the state on that. >> Yep. Um, mayor, that's all I have right now. >> Thank you. Is this out of term here, Megan? The approval of train station parking fees.
>> Oh, okay. So, we have a motion to approve. >> If you want Well, if you wanted to discuss it first, I know that there was questions regarding um out of town residents versus in town residents. And >> oh, you have a numbers. >> Uh, honestly, it's about half in town
and half out of town again >> in each of each of the stations. >> Each of the stations. So, with Gillette, it's 53 in town. Out of town was 41. Sterling was 32 in town, out of town 13.
And Millington is 21 in town, 33 out of town. And those are our yearly parking passes. We sold out of Gillette and Sterling for this year. Um and we do have the policy that if you do not if if you
>> have preference for >> yes you have preference but if you go to the parking lot that day we also have the ability to do the park mobile app. So if there is a spot you are allowed to utilize the park mobile app for dailies. Um
>> is there a cut off time? Um can you do it anytime? >> Anytime. >> Whereas Chattam I think it has to be after 11 o'clock or something. >> Correct. We haven't had an issue. Um, and we've been monitoring it very closely. Um, and we haven't had any
issues. Randy and I went to the Sterling and Millington train stations yesterday and Millington usually is never full. Um, Sterling, there was a few >> Yeah, a few spots open. >> Um, so again, we haven't had any issues.
I think that we need to monitor it once more buildings go in and more >> Fair enough. But um for next year, I would suggest um keeping the rates the same um keeping the parking passes the same and still
utilizing the park mobile app. >> Perfect. Jack, can you remind us what authority or legal right do we have to limit it to local residents? >> Our lease and all leases across the state provide that you cannot discriminate against non-residents.
>> Gotcha. Unless you own it, which is Chattam. That's why it keeps coming up. on some of their lots, some some of >> So, so our stations, um, Gillette is owned by New Jersey Transit. >> Sterling, the north side of the tracks is owned by New Jersey Transit. We have
a couple spots on the south side that the township pro is township property. Uh, in Millington, that on the cafe side is um all uh New Jersey Transit. On the south side of the tracks, it is a municipal lot. Understand?
>> Well, then can we control it in the municipal lot? >> Yes, we can. Let me There's a lot of I think there's more spots there in that municipal lot. >> We can, but right now as as Megan, >> it's not an issue. >> It's not an issue. >> You know, I don't, you know, I don't think a redevelopment on Division Avenue
will cause any issues because >> I certainly would walk as opposed to pay a monthly fee to drive 500 ft. >> I think yeah, Megan's correct. Once the building starts in say Warren and Wa Chong, that could become an issue. Yes. Especially so >> once you get a one seat trip into
Manhattan, which probably is about seven years off. >> Now keep in mind there there is a lot of apartments already open in Warren and I'm thinking of George uh which it still hasn't become a problem with us. >> So
>> awesome. And by the way, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the significantly improved structure. I was gonna give you the the kickoff for that >> at zero cost at zero cost to the taxpayer in Longill Township. >> Uh thank you to New Jersey Transit for
working with Senator Ramnik and myself to to bring a significantly improved uh structure uh to the Sterling train station. It looks a lot better. Hopefully it's more functional. uh you know we would have loved to have had a enclosed structure but unfortunately we
could not do that due to ADA guidelines. It would have cost about 23 to 28 million uh to comply with the ADA guidelines. So we did the best we could under the circumstances and hopefully the people that use uh the Sterling Station enjoy it a little bit uh more
moving forward. >> So thanks again Senator Brown and New Jersey Transit >> and Vic >> and you Vic. Yeah, you started that. You look like a dog with a bone on that one. >> All right. So, a motion to approve the train station parking fees for 2026.
>> Swallow quick. Let's go. >> Oh, motion. Sorry. Oops, I missed my queue there. >> Committee woman align. >> Yes. Committee member. >> Yes. >> Deputy mayor. Yes. Mayor >> Dory. Yes. All right. Under older new bis, you want to talk about something? >> Yes. You get it?
>> So, we've gotten most of my things through today. Let's discuss. Thank you. But I have one more. So, I wanted to um speak to it about the I'm excited we have a chief of police. I wanted to speak to um because it's been quite a journey to get here. Um making sure that
we are supporting the chief and other potential leaders in the police department. We had discussed um mentoring opportunities and things like that to develop to not only support and give and facilitate the chief role but then also again the other leadership
potential that's in the department and I wanted to make sure that we really solidify what that plan is with specific time frames or milestones and things like that so that it doesn't fall through the cracks that we are making sure that we are taking the steps to
support the chief as well as the other leaders so that we're developing what is the future of the police department through the process of us being able to provide whether it's the chief's association the mentoring and and all of that support for again not only the chief to to fortify that but then also
you know fortifying what that pipeline is as we go. So I wanted to make sure the ask is is that we have a specific plan and timeline and um we hold ourselves accountable to that in a
timely manner to make sure that we're again supporting the police department um now and go forward. And I think this was something that came up um through this process as well as I think some of the feedback that we've gotten either here or through um other ways from the
department that really that's been a need consistently through the years um not only in a more defined promotion process which I think is is coming down the road for us but then also giving them that support in terms of helping to nurture um and support the leadership. >> And Randy can you explain obviously or
we already got an answer to an extent. Can you just explain to the public what some of those steps you put in place with Chief Chamberlo in the last few weeks? Well, we're going to be having a uh police from the Chiefs of Police Association, a chief's mentoring program
uh that will uh partner her with an existing chief in this area uh for um guidelines uh to work with myself and the chief uh to uh come up with exactly what a game plan if you will uh and
milestones and and so forth. Uh along with that um we um discussed the uh backfilling of promotions um to to replace those empty vacant those vacancies uh which we will move forward
with um and you know by the end of the year I I expect to have the uh future leadership in place and training already started uh for these new uh leaders of the of the police department >> and that future leadership Um so that
mentoring and all that also not only are we putting those people in those more elevated positions but also giving them the support and mentoring. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> And this is something that is routine in the corporate sector. So and I know Aubry you're an expert and have many
years in that all you're doing is saying this is something that we want to nurture and >> and I wanted to talk about it openly because I know we we think about it. we talk about it, but I want it, you know, a just to solidify it with this team up here, but then also for the public, but also for the police department so that
they know that that we're holding ourselves accountable to deliver these things, not just say we're delivering them, to actually deliver them in a timely manner. >> Yeah. And obviously, you were here for it, but after Chief Masel, who you met tonight, retired, the ball was dropped on any training for lieutenants or the
sergeants, and it's been at a stalemate pretty much for And I think that that also falls on the shoulders of this committee and the administrator that we need to make sure that we continue that that we don't let that happen again and that we continue to push. Yeah. But I
just I want to talk about it because I know we say that and it seems sometimes we fall into these. >> No, we've seen the aftermath of what happens. >> So, let's just all communally pinky swear whatever it is that that's not going to happen again. >> I think we're all on the same page on that. >> You think or you know. No, I know we are
because we had to live through it. It's not pretty. You live through the end of it. >> All right, guy. Do you want to talk about ebikes? I know. >> Well, >> you talk in part >> in fairness and and and we have the uh resident who kind kind of brought it to us and then as a result of that, I checked with again this group of 20
mayors and all of them have something in motion. Some form park already passed an ordinance last week. So, uh, what we did is we asked Jack to take a peek at it and maybe a a stab at a potential, uh,
ordinance to address this. And I, in fact, I heard u a couple of state legislators talk about that very point. >> It's got to be done on everybody's doing peacemail. The state's got to act. >> Yes. But until they do >> No, I agree with you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I've been in uh meetings with
the uh uh most recent chief of police uh officer in charge at that point. Um and Sergeant Sutton, who's a traffic uh sergeant um along with the superintendent for the schools, uh Lisa Scan, our rec director, gathering
information of what they would like to see uh in an ordinance. Um because obviously, you know, uh these are the people that know our parks, know our schools. Fair enough. >> And and uh you know with the road. So um we uh I think we'll have something
ready. Um and >> we've looked at five or six different ordinances, Floren Park included. Um I think it it might be very close to Floren Park. I think uh >> it's a very good. >> It is a very good ordinance and it's very very very detailed. Yes. Very
thorough. So um >> I did adapt it in response to so I I think we'll be >> So we might have some I think we'll be ready to discuss it. Yep. I think we'll be ready to discuss it uh as the new policy at the next meeting and have an introduction in November. >> And thanks to Mr. Grosskoff because he
he's he's been persistent. >> And may I just reiterate, we use that, Deputy Mayor. This is an area that's generally preempted by the state. >> In light of all the recent tragedies, they haven't done anything. So, I think it's, you know, >> I would think in this lame duck period
uh that we're entering, I highly doubt the state want to intervene on this. >> Probably not. >> I guess also one thing I forgot to mention, I also was in contact with our risk managers, probably the most important people uh with regards to this and they sent me some information on it also.
>> Excellent. Good job. >> Oh, and I believe I think when I saw Lieutenant Chamberlo or chief at the pancake breakfast on Sunday, I think she I asked her about going in the schools. I saw Chattam Township did it. I think they said they're already talked to the schools about having an officer go in to Millington and Central and talk to these
kids about excellent watching what they're doing. So that's already in >> We have We have a date for the one on Valley. Is that Gillette? >> Millington. >> Millington. >> That's Gillette. Sorry. >> Gillette. Yes. >> And uh they're reaching out to Millington to try and get a date. >> All right. Good. So at least they're
being proactive. >> Yeah. Because these kids aren't wearing >> No, they don't wear helmets. >> They just don't wear helmets. And also they don't know like I've heard some of the things like from some again some of the tragedies in the other towns. They also don't totally know the kind of like rules of the road because they're younger. So that's right. So like that's
another thing that compounds the issue. >> I mean years ago years ago when when I guess all of us can with mopeds you had to have a permit. >> There was rules. >> There was rules. You had to have permits. With these ebikes you could be 10 years old and on an ebike. But I s
if you ride a regular bicycle, aren't you required by state law to wear helmet or something under? >> So how is it possible a motorized one? >> I just think it hasn't caught up. >> No, you have to wear a helmet. >> There are state there are state statutes with this. You have to wear with a
motorized ebike e scooter, you have to 17 and under, you have to wear a helmet. You can't ride them. You can't ride them on the sidewalks. You got to follow the rules of the road just like any bike. >> Okay. So, uh, this is this is a part uh part education program which the police
are already have in motion. >> Um, good and you know I from what I heard today, believe it or not, that uh the police get phone calls from parents saying my kid wants to go to Caner Park. What's the safest route for them to take to uh Caner Park from my street? And
they say quite honestly they say don't let them go on Valley Road. It's too busy. you know, so I don't know how you get from to park from anywhere in town if you if you know they're recommending don't go on Valley Road because you know Valley Road has a lot of vehicles during
the day and and it's it's >> there's not a lot of shoulder. >> Yeah, it's not a lot of shoulders. So, >> but it's something that the state I agree with the mayor. The state needs to take take some action, but it's taken too long. >> So, that'll be coming up.
>> It'll be coming up soon. >> All right. So, announcements. Thanks to Yasmin Davanni. Uh, she wanted us to announce the Long Hill Education Foundation is having their gala November 14th from 7 to 11. Uh, you can look them up online or on social media on Facebook and it's right there, too, if you want
to buy tickets. Where is it? At Berkeley Heights or is it the Prima Vera? I can't see that far. >> Bridgewater Manor. Wow. All right. $125. It's a couple or person, but it's a great fundraiser and it's a fun time. So, get your tickets early. Thank you. It's the only announcement I have. any
blood drives, plasma drives, egg donations. >> There's going to be a blood drive soon and I'm gonna tell you what it is. >> Uh, and and Vic, maybe repeat the uh the trunk or treat and the >> trunk or treat. >> The both of them. There's the Halloween
parade and the trunk or treat, right? >> Trunk or treat. Yeah, >> that was in the >> He did it. But just maybe. >> So, as a reminder, the date >> the trunk or treat. >> There you go. event in the town hall parking lot is on Saturday, October 25th from 1:30 to 3:30
p.m. No registration is necessary, but you have to come dressed and ready. All right. And uh as far as the >> Yes. >> Uh our annual Halloween parade is on Sunday, October 19th
>> at 300 p.m. sharp in Canerfield. This is a fun and free event for all Longill children and families. So, please again, that's a great event, by the way. I love that event. >> Hope to see everyone there on October
19th at 3 p.m. Sharp. >> Maybe. >> All right. Any other announcements? Seeing none. >> Uh, public meeting. Open mic time. Three minutes. Come on up. Evening all.
>> Good evening, Tom. >> First and foremost, thanks to Miss Aubrey Rec for your term on this August committee. You've done some good things. You've shaped these guys up.
>> And thank you guy for as I'm sorry, Deputy Mayor Societ for bringing up the ebikes and and for taking that on that mantle and and going with that. greatly appreciated. Um, we talked earlier about you did u about parking and the parking
permits and I think it's in here and I know we spoke about it in open session about the people who current I know we can't just give it to uh township residents first. That's that goes against the the state code, right? But I
believe Jackie, you told us that people who currently have a permit this year, let's say they bought the annual permit, they can reup before anybody else gets to. >> So that's that's that's embedded >> based on the split. It really wouldn't accomplish. >> I mean, again, we we we
have parking available daily through Gillette, Sterling, and Millington where we're able to have daily parking passes. >> But but we also have a lot of non-residents. Correct. >> Seasonal permanent home. >> So it's almost half. So do we want to reup those people that aren't
necessarily out of like out of longill? >> Yeah. Yeah. We can't give notice to our residents first and then give notice to the non-residents three weeks from now. >> Right. >> Right. You can't tear the date either. Right. Is that what you're saying? You can't like you can't notice everybody at
the same time and say, "Okay, residents by now." But we could you could uh notice everybody who has current permit. >> Yes. >> And allow them a day or two a window of some sort to allow them to come in reup and then whatever is left over can be
open. I'm not worried about 2026 so much. >> I think we can but I think based on the split >> you want to protect the residents. >> I'm not I'm not worried about 2026 so much because we do have the room. >> Okay. But when we get to 27 and 28, if we don't have something in place now, it
could slip right past us and then all of the people of all the buildings that we've seen all around are all going to try and come to this lovely town that has three train stations, a big sale item, as you were saying, one seat into the city. >> Um, >> it's when that happens, it's going to be change dramatically.
>> So, so do so I don't think it's a bad call out. Mhm. >> I'd like to attach speeding on the way to train stations into that because >> I don't think it's a bad call out to do it. >> I know it's only 53
51 like it's not but >> if that's your >> there's no reason not to. >> Yeah. >> Just Yeah. >> And it'll and it'll be said and as the future comes it comes. When I mut >> Sorry, you got a few more because I was talking.
>> I'll be fast on the next two. >> Real briefly, you probably don't recognize this because when you're here, you're not at home, right? Doesn't that make sense? Uh, but when I'm at home and I'm watching you folks, yeah, I'm not bored. I watch you guys.
Some of the microphones you can't hear. And when I'm here with the zoning board and another group, um, you can't necessarily, these microphones don't work well. As you can see, there's no microphones over there. This one gets used over here, over here, wherever we need somebody. Uh, we happen to have
three there today. I don't even know if all three of them are working, but it needs to be reviewed. The the audio system, unless you actually live through it, you don't hear like um Aubrey, I think it was you earlier. I was in the back. I could hear you in the room, but I know that I couldn't hear the microphone.
>> Okay. I think it's also like turning these on or off, >> which I don't usually turn on. Like I just turned it on now, but I usually don't. That's probably my That's my bad. >> And this these electronics are from when we bought the building 20 something years ago. >> No, that's not true. We >> I thought we upgraded. Did we unfortunately
>> I know we upgraded this system, but I don't think those micro the uh the base of the microphones. Maybe the microphones. This is this is property of Long Hill Township of 20474 which is more recent than 20 years ago. >> So I think we just need to make sure we turn on our mics. That's I mean I know >> I got 20471 over here.
>> There you go. >> And my my last uh thing to talk about is what do we have in place as a procedure for where there's a peril from a county owned land? >> From peril. It was a dead and dying
tree. In this case I' I've reported it a couple of times. Uh, I was fortunate enough to go down my street slow enough, low slower than 45 or whatever you were saying. Going down my street slow enough that the tree did not kill my wife and myself as it uh crashed across a
neighbor's property. Uh, I called it in a couple of times. It was not in our right way and and that's understandable, but it was on county property. Could a phone call or something be done when we see a tree like this that somebody from the township can reach out to their
corresponding person in the county and have the county take care of it? >> Where was this tree? >> That's on the corner of Milton and Mitchell. >> That's not county. >> Yes. >> A county piece of property would. >> Yeah. >> Oh, really? >> Right stuck in the corner. >> I'm not
>> I mean, we do give, you know, I'm not saying it's you. notices to property owners. >> It did. I had to drive on my neighbor's lawn to get out of the corner of the h street. >> Yeah, it was on It was on the wire. Took
took a a wire lowered the wire. >> Yeah. Are we allowed, Jack, to I mean the county, we have a great relationship with the county. Are we allowed to address it if it's a if it's a >> clear and present danger? >> Yeah, we we could if we're an emergency >> and then just send them a bill.
>> They probably wouldn't pay for you. >> And Al to your point, I didn't know that >> present immediate danger. Yes, we could. >> But out to your point, I didn't know that was county property until this week. I was just told it was not in a rideway and we can't do anything until it falls. And That's the biggest
insyard. >> How much do funeral costs? >> This one almost took me >> out where the street is, right? in the woods. It's not going to hurt anybody dying national over private property. So, there's a lot of factors.
>> And this one took out a power line and across the street and could have killed residents. >> I'm just saying that there's got to be a better way. I'm not trying to beat you all up saying we all have to be, you know, omnipotent to know when a tree is going to fall, what's going to happen, when lightning will strike. I don't
know. But if we don't talk about it, nothing gets done, right? And uh one last a quick one, Megan, if you thought I was serious in any way. When I was communicating with you about a prior meeting, the one that was when
you your you folks were all here early, the your your meeting closed out. I turned on uh the I tried to get into the Zoom and your an old meeting came up with the same timing. So I'm like, "No, they're there. I can see it." Megan's
like, "No, it closed out at 2 8:27, Tom." I took a picture. I'm like, "Look, it's it's on right now." It It would actually lined up exactly. So, I'm thinking I'm crazy and I'm Look, you are really Well, I am, but not
certifiable according to the doctors. >> Um, uh, I don't know if we on rebroadcasts if we want to put something like that on. I don't know if we even have the ability to put it on. So that is a role to to the meeting. >> And what's weird is it it lined up.
>> It lined up exactly. It was odd. Very odd. >> So, >> and so there's I don't know if you want to put rebroadcast on something or I don't know how or what, but >> I can follow up with. >> All right. >> Thanks, Tom. I'm here to help you. >> Thank you all very much.
>> Thank you, brother. >> Mayor, one one last thing. Uh we're going to we're going to post on the website uh PSCG will be doing road work milling and paving uh from their work uh earlier this year starting next week >> where
>> uh all all over the streets that they did. They want to get this done before the end of October. >> All right. >> Charles Rena with Millington, Mr. Dennis Sandow
provided me with resolution 000-321 imposing the voluntary sewer ban. The mayor at the time was Sue Dapkins. This was executed on September 13, 2000.
We had a presentation tonight that really didn't answer the questions. I brought this up to you before You told me the township engineer is going to certify that we've got all the regulations in place that we can end the
sewer ban. But from this resolution from September 13, 2000, we sold the plant. We've got a engineer that's going to
certify everything got done. And this release from the sewer ban, is it going to New Jersey American Water? Is it going to this committee? Is it going to our engineer?
And we've got 12 days so we can take legal action. So please clarify the discussion tonight on what's going to happen in 8 days or doesn't happen. What actions are we going to take? I think he just told well
as the sore ban he just told us it's going to be lifted on time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But you understand what I'm asking. Who's lifting it to whom? >> D is lifting it to NJ since they own the plan. >> Yeah. >> Say that again. You speak it then it might.
>> D will lift the ban that is presently imposed on New Jersey American because they own the plant. So what do we have to prove that they met their obligations under our sale agreement uh in 8 days?
>> Well, again, if they met, let's say, for example, >> understand what I'm asking. I want to know what proof are we going to have that this sewer ban is ended in 8 days. >> You said by is it 8 days by the end of the month? >> Yes, at 8 days. October 20th. Te
technically it's October 22nd, but >> yes, >> if they do it by the end of the month, >> speak into the mic, please. >> If they do it by the end of the month, we're probably not going to sue them. >> But how are you going to know? What are you going to get? What are we going to What proof are we going to have that the
sewer ban has been lifted based on this resolution from 20? >> I I don't know. I don't know if they have like a ceremony. >> Well, somebody better find out cuz we got eight days. C will issue >> yes a letter something >> and we're going to get that letter on
the 20th of October. >> I'm not I don't know that. >> We don't know what I don't know what >> you control the D. You've dealt with that >> exactly. So on October 20th if we don't have notification that the sewer ban is lifted, what action are you going to
take? >> I'll make a phone call to New Jersey American Water. >> And what what are they going to tell you if they say we don't have it? What are you going to do? I'm gonna ask them to follow up with D. >> Are we gonna file suit >> threatening? >> That would be that I should threaten would be a way
>> New Jersey American Water. >> I mean, I don't know if that would be the best use of taxpayer money. Uh, and >> don't go there with that. Don't please don't go with saving money American water and D. Well, you asked a question. I'm trying to >> Don't say you're going to save money
because we spend I didn't say we're going to save money. I said it's not a good use of taxpayer money. >> Oh, that's a new process. >> The contract only requires that they have done everything necessary to get the ban lifted. >> Well, I mean, we've got eight days to decide this. I mean, you got plenty of time.
>> But, let me finish. But they said tonight the ban will be lifted later. >> How do they know that? >> I don't know. >> Well, we better find out. We better find out cuz when's the next meeting here? >> 22nd. >> There you go.
>> Two weeks from now. 1482. >> I am not confident. I said that four months ago. We have no answers. We don't know what we're going to do. Well, we're going to get a letter. We're not going to get a letter. >> They said, "I doubt they lied tonight."
>> Oh, come on. >> They went on public record. So, >> they didn't. >> So, what are we going to get him? The contempt court. >> It's all yours, Mr. Sand. >> Thank you, Mr. Why are you grinning, mayor? >> I've just listened to the contempt of
court comment. >> My name is >> I got charge of that. >> Dennis Sandow Millington. If if I may, I'd like to add a little bit of precision
to the questions that Mr. Rendo was raised. My first question was going to be who among us was in the room on September 13th, 2000 when the sewer ban was passed.
>> I say Dennis Sandow was >> there were two people. >> I apologize. And Jack >> 2000. Yes. >> Yes. There were two of us in the room at the time. That was a quarter of a century ago. My god, we're getting
older. beats the alternative then. >> So, at any rate, the resolution was passed. Thank you, Megan, for digging out the copy for me. Um, >> but it is not clear to me
whether or not that resolution to have a to impose a sewer ban was a resolution by the municipality or a resolution by the sewer operator.
>> We were the sewer operator. >> We were the sewer operator at the time. >> Yes, I know that. So my question is, in order to lift the sewer ban, if the sewer ban was imposed by the
municipality, does the municipality have to take action to lift it? >> We don't own it. >> No, the sewer. >> Now listen to the question. >> I understand your question, but the sewer, >> I know you do, but but guy doesn't, and he was interrupting me.
>> I'm sorry, Mr. Sando. Continue. If the resolution was a resolution by the municipality >> to impose a sewer ban, does the municipality have to take action to lift the sewer ban? And if that original
resolution was a rel resolution by the wastewater plant operator, which was us at the time, does the sewer plant operator have the obligation? This is complicated by the fact that
there is a contract between the municipality and the sewer plant operator that the sewer plant operator will lift the resolution within five years. But on the other hand, if the municipality imposed by
resolution imposed the m the sewer ban, does the municipality have to take some action for the record to lift the sewer ban even if the actual ban itself has to be executed by the
operator with the DP? >> No. And it all gets to be a little confusing to me and that's my comment. >> No, because the ban is on the facility, not on the operator per se. >> So it doesn't matter who owns it at the
time the ban is listed. >> I thought that was a good question though. >> Yeah, it was. Now, in addition to that, I have to point out to you that for the past month, literally for the past month, there have
been trucks parked in front of my house as part of some sort of project to line the sewer mains. And it goes on and on and on. And they are making all kinds of horrendous noise. And I can't understand why lining
a sewer mane with a plastic sleeve should generate so much noise. But at times there are as many as 10 trucks there. Now I know the cost of driving 10 trucks. It means 10 laborers minimum as drivers
and all that cost is acrewing to our sewer system. Now in 12 days the rate freeze expires >> and we h and there is stop shaking your head till you hear the rest of the
question. >> It's a long question. It's going to be a short answer. The originally we thought that we were going to be part of a statewide averaging pool, but if you read the tariff,
schedule 14A is a tariff that applies specifically to Long Hill. And that tariff was amended last September, September 24. It probably will be amended again
because in the September 24 amendment, there were specific benchmark rates that kicked in on October 20th of 24 and on October 20th of 203.
Now, what I don't know, and this is just a comment because I don't imagine anybody else knows either. Are they going to file a new tariff? Are there going to be new rates effective
uh on October 20th of 1925? Are they accumulating all the costs of upgrading our system and are they planning to fl uh pass that through to our rate payers in their next tariff because of the fact that they are
operating a specific schedule 14A for longill? And the final question is when and if they do revise the tariff at the end of the five-year period, >> does the senior discount go away?
>> But I don't remember senior discount. I I guess it's called tariff in the in the contract and I remember the numbers. It's something like 9.5% over five years cumulative. So you referenced 23 and 24. Whatever that schedule worked out to, it
comes out to like 9.5%. I forget what the senior discount was. How much was the senior discount? >> $40 a year. >> Better than a kick in the teeth, I suppose. >> According to their tariff, it was $40 a year. I don't know what what I was not
paying prior to the sale. Got you. >> But at any rate, the fact that they are accumulating costs and have a specific separate schedule for Long Hill suggests that we might have a massive increase at the end of the 5-year period if they
file a new tariff with all the additional costs that they've been acrewing. >> Yeah, right. >> Jack's looking up Jack's the lawyer. Thank God I'm not. But >> you can't I mean, yeah, they could do whatever they want to do, but >> Yeah. I I don't know the answer. I don't >> We don't know the answer. I'm looking
for >> I know you don't know the answer, but we're down to to 12 days before D-Day. >> Yes. And we get an answer though. It's still not We can't control that. >> Also, these guys dumped us a dumpster in the middle of my culdeac
without putting cones around it. And it's a real nuisance to have them navigate around a dumpster that's been sitting there for two days now. And I don't know why they need a dumpster to line pipes. You probably shouldn't say this in public, but you said for many years that you have so much junk in your
house that you want to throw out. I would take advantage of that. >> All right. >> Okay. Second question. >> Whoa. Way over. Hold on. >> I have a comment on the sewer ban. It was actually a voluntary sewer ban with a gun to our heads, but as I understand it, New Jersey Americans now under a
separate sewer ban since they're the operator of the plant. >> Oh. So, okay. As I recall, Jack, the reason that we passed a voluntary sewer ban was the DP was about to shut us down anyway and fine us. And by passing a
voluntary sewer ban, we got one step ahead of a fine. >> That's why I say it was voluntary in quotes. >> I I have that letter here actually. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Quest uh comment number two. >> Comment number five.
Nobody else gets timed. Mayor, >> I know you want to go home, but >> bear with me. What's 94 years old and falling apart? >> Not going to touch.
>> Wow. Ordinarily, you would you would >> And I can think of at least a couple people in town that fit that character. What's 94 years old and falling apart is the Valley Road Bridge >> to burn to burners. >> That's the county was supposed to be working on that years ago.
>> In in 2018, seven years ago, they came and did a dog and pony show and put up all kinds of plans, did public surveys, and for seven years, nothing.
And now within the past two months, they have actually upgraded the website that they created seven years ago. And they have promised a new round of public information during the fall of 2025,
which gives us two months to get on the calendar. Well, they have shown a master schedule that says the project will be done in 2031, which will make it exactly 100 years old. But the first item on their master
schedule is public information fall 25 except when you click the link for the detailed schedule of meetings to be determined. So would somebody please get in touch with Somerset County and find out when they're going to come
to Long Hill with the next version of the seven-year-old dog and pony show and are they actually going to get busy and do some work? And Randa's going to add that to the 20page document I asked him to do. >> All right. >> And the the third item is an item that
was not on my agenda for tonight. I was going to save it for the next meeting of the board of health, but since Randy brought it up, let me just summarize what happened this afternoon in the library. First of all, they were unders underprepared.
I was I came in at the last minute and I was number 26, which means maybe they handled 30 people more or less in two hours. For a town of 8,000 people, that's not much preparation.
And and at 2:00 they promptly struck the camp and and moved everything out and they were done. The advanced flyer said there would be a nurse doing blood pressure testing and that sort of thing, BMIs even.
There was no nurse there. None of that happened. >> Yeah, there was. >> Hm. >> There was a nurse there. >> Nobody took my blood pressure. >> Did you ask? >> Who was I to ask? There were people running all over the place in uniform.
And the third question is the the shots were actually administered by a drugist from Wegman's in handover. >> Correct. >> Not by a nurse. >> Correct. >> And I want to know who paid that guy.
Did the my tax dollar pay him? >> No. >> Who paid him? >> The same person that pays him when you go to Wegman's and get it get it done. >> Except the flyer said bring your insurance cards. And nobody asked for my insurance cards. So I walked in and out
with insurance cards in my wallet and nobody knows who's going to pay for my shots. >> That's on Wegman's. >> Yes, that's on Wegman. >> Yes. >> I don't know what Well, yeah, but I wasn't dealing with Wegman's. I was dealing with the board of with the Bernard's health department, which is
your contractor tomorrow. >> Yes. >> All right. >> I'm I was disappointed. Are you going to throw me out now, Mayor? >> No, I'm going to end the meeting. You just stand all night. >> Thank you, Dennis. >> Dennis, thank you. >> A motion, please. >> Move.
>> Is there anybody online? >> Motion to adjourn. >> So move. Second. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Thank you. >> Motion for the Yankees to score three runs. They're down. Mike, >> there's no mic here. No.