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on ready all right Madam clerk in compliance with the open public meetings Act of New Jersey adequate notice of this meeting specifically the time date and public call and information were included in the meeting that was electronically sent to the echo settin all moris Daily Record and posted on the township website the agenda and public
handouts can be viewed online at www.long Hill nj.gov a public comment period will held in the order it is listed on the meeting agenda thank I Rise to uh PL Allegiance Pledge aliance to the flag of
the United States of America the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all Madam clerk committee V lavender present committee woman rer Eline present
committee man valza present Deputy Mayor Pia present mayor dorsy here all right let's see what we got first thing miss scanland our rec director is here to present some awards what oh yeah what do we have to do
sorry Lisa all right right you get lucky to get the Board of Health meeting to sit through all right be nice so we have take a we're going to go in a brief intermission to hold our Board of Health reorg meeting that's what it says the Board of
Health regular meeting yes all right so I can have a motion to recess so move all in favor I second second and I there you go thank you I'm I'm running a rocket docket
tonight so we're going to start the Board of Health meeting do I read all of this the red up oh all the red yeah so February 12th our Board of Health meeting um conducted in person here well do I need to read all right so I'm calling the 212 2025 sorry I'm learning
um this is a work in progress here bear with me have your patience right I need one of those stickers like student driver be patient right here sorry okay and we're calling it to order at
7:37 uh Megan can you call the role please assessor Sherman present Dr redling present committeeman lavender present committee woman rer Eline present committee men verza present Deputy Mayor Pia present mayor dorsy I'm
still here okay so first is the ordinance bh25 one and the ordinance is amending the Board of Health fees and amending chapter BH VII and chapter bh12 of the
revised General ordinances of the Board of Health this was introduced correct me from wrong at the reorg um and this is the official vote is there anyone here that would like to make a public comment about this ordinance
right we're going to check on Zoom as soon as Megan gets back anybody on Zoom would like to make a public comment regarding the uh ordinance bh25 d001 please raise your hand I don't see anyone okay great thank
you so can I have a motion to adopt the ordinance bh25 d001 so moved second Megan please can you take rooll assessor Sherman yes Dr red yes committee man lavender yes committee
woman rer Eline yes committee man valza yes Deputy Mayor Pia yes mayor dors yes thank you so then next we have um Board of Health 25-2 which is the again the fee
schedule can I have a motion to approve resol resolution Board of Health 25-2 so moved can I second it second I can I don't know if I'm like reading it can I also
second it yes all right good Megan may we please take role assessor Sherman yes Dr redling yes committeeman lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committee men valza
yes Deputy Mayor Pia yes mayor dorsy yes all right thank you next um may I have a motion to approve the January 20 second 2025 meeting minutes so moved thank you second by me Megan please can
you take role assessor Sherman yes Dr redling yes committee one uh committeeman lavender yes committee woman rer Aline yes committeeman valza yes Deputy Mayor Pia yes mayor dorsy yes
thank you I'll get smoother as this as we keep going all right you're doing a great job thank you I'm trying trying uh my I was screwed up so discussion items right now we have no discussion items um yeah I want to bring something up yes excellent go for it
because we've had discussions you myself and Dr redling at the recent dinner um what are some of your thoughts on how we can do a better job in terms of bringing um health information out to the public things like vaccinations uh you know alerts and
things like that what what are your thoughts on that Aubrey I think um one is navigating the the methods of Comm communication so whether it's the website and I was actually thinking I haven't talked to Lisa about this or other ideas I think a lot of people are reading like the W things or the library
things and being able to infuse some of the Board of Health um notifications that way also partnering with the um Bernard's Health Department they're actually um revising some of their services that they use in terms of
Constant Contact or things like that and there people will be able to kind of check off okay I want to know you know if um screenings are going on or you know whatever that is and I want to know by you know for my town or for the
county or for um email it to me and you know or text it to me so some of those things are not in play right now but they're hopefully will be in play soon if my understanding from discussing with them is correct I think that's one opportunity also what needs to be done
with our new website in terms of you right because you know we're talking in terms of digital engagement with the public we have this new website obviously there's still work to be done with it what are our thoughts and plans and maybe this is a Randy maybe you can kind of weigh in as well since your
employees are working on that um have we fully realized the capabilities of that for the benefit of Public Health here in Long Hill yep can I well can I jump in first Randy if you don't mind um in my opinion because I've been using the website myself recently I do see some areas of opportunity for that which
we've started to communicate but we are working on doing more communication with that to be able to optimize it I do think there is um an opportunity to augment how we're using our website and it to to be able to get better communication out for exactly these
things because I think I we earlier we were talking about you know we don't know what we don't know I think there are a lot of opportunities or lots of things that could benefit our citizens both young and older that we're not necessarily fully penetrating the population with and I think one of the ways is the website
another one of the ways is being able to get that communication out to everyone so I think there is opportunity for that absolutely on the website and open to ideas from the community and anyone of have they seen something somewhere else that works maybe it's a tab website maybe it's a work website maybe it's
something else or any ideas that we have to be able to optimize that so it's more user friendly because I do think there's good things happening um that's applicable to the residents here and we can we can better populate that so absolutely actively working on that right and and and as we connect the dots
on this the next thing would be you know we do have a director of Social Services um Shane Daly yes and she and you know I think we need to do a better job kind of connecting the dots between you that Clearing House of information that we have you know what's available through
the Board of Health and in particular I think Dr redley your backgrounds in gentology right yeah I'm Jerry Tran right do we have like a newsletter or something for seniors good question not to my knowledge that that's actually an excellent idea to bring up and I
think one that we we should have a conversation with Shane about um and the reason I bring that up is she's still running the senior bus right um Matt and Randy yeah Community Bus right and and so she's connected to that whole um that
that that that whole group of people um we'd love to hear your ideas on you know I've been practicing for over 30 years I've always been like in a leadership position and the best programs always have some type of newsletter for senior so so you know it's like monthly or
whatever where a physician or some other anybody that works in geriatrics you know makes a nice um com um commentary on it answers questions I just think it like engages the population abut so so
maybe what we should do Aubrey is is maybe think about an ad hoc committee and the people that come to mind would be myself yourself Dr redy um uh you know also Shane I'd recommend edor um since he's a member of the
senior center um and and you know start bringing this together and seeing what we need to do in order and also obviously collect with the website Senior Center has a newsletter they so they goes out Chuck where is he he's sleeping the senior center has a newsletter that goes out every month
right um that's correct okay so you El it I mean it should be connected with us they supplement that it's already there just add so we'll find out because we can connect that immediately also I've been attending I've only gone to one but I plan to attend whichever ones um they have with the Bernard's um Health
Department but there's a bunch of other towns that similar to us also sit at the table so also learning best practices like there were some ideas through um I want to say Gladstone um that they were doing to connect with the seniors and with other groups within the town to be
able to communicate some of the services that were being offered so I found that really helpful to bring it back then to Long Hill to understand what best practices are happening in other towns can we build on that can we bring it here can we share it whatever that is also tomorrow um guy and I are uh
attending a meeting in New Providence it's about a mental health thing but also more ways of sharing ideas and learning okay what are how are things getting out into the public again for all age ranges learning from Best Practices from other towns and then how do we bring it here the other piece I would add and I know this isn't um maybe
necessarily the best way but it's one of the ways we now have that sign outside um on the corner and I know you know you can't always see it um but if you're either walking in the area or you're stopped at the stoplight um in certain directions um that may be another way of maybe bullet pointing certain things
like the blood pressure screening or things like that that are coming up just as a way of highlighting it that's not the only way but that could be one of the additional ways that we can just get visibility out there and if someone doesn't need it that that that' be excellent you know just for simple screen Men's Health Women's Health uh
you know register for sh prr that are coming up like like I thought of it today actually when I saw the wreck um email come out which was great I was like oh that be connection between the senior center and the Board of Health yeah right yeah agreed yeah agreed because I don't really know what they do
with the senior center right and that's a what kind of programs I mean it's like kind of what I do for a living yeah and it would be free we will work on it we like free yeah you like mind on that if we could take an action item on that auy you and I let's
put together an ad hoc committee let's start making these connections and I'm sure once we start doing it we'll get some enthusiasm behind it and and actually make some progress when do we when does this board meet next good question I don't have the date on calendar um don't have anything yeah I
don't have oh I mean for this like that yes but probably put something at at least quarterly right so so maybe what we do is we get together in a second calendar quarter of this year and we should connect Aubrey
with the senior center because I don't know I don't know who runs the social services right I think it's this community good call out totally all good call outs absolutely and again just want to reinforce open to ideas you guys might
or anybody watching or watching the recording might have ideas you know not to say that we can Implement everything but happy to learn from it there might be another way of better way of communicating with everybody um that we don't know so really happy to do
that next on my friend Dennis is standing up do you have something to say for this or no oh hold the phone well I'd like to open the public comment section now Dennis Sandow Millington this is already
the longest Board of Health meeting on record and I'm going to make it longer is that good or bad Dennis that's good it's good good serious business you guys contract TR with
Bernard's health and one of the services that we pay for is giving flu shots and whenever the board of the Bernard's Health decides they're going to give flu shots we try to make a big
deal out of it and announce it and put it on bulletin boards and whatever until you get to the fine print at the bottom which says Medicare only and if you have any other insurance
other than Medicare they don't want you and I asked the question once why and the answer was totally stupid we are only allowed to bill the
government we can't bill a private insurer but who who by whose dictat huh who who decides that that they cannot build priv I don't know I'm just repeating what they told me when I went there a few
years ago to get a flu shot and I offered them an insurance card now many of us not any of you cuz you're not you're not at the age yet except Jack many of
you just go many of us have Medicare Part C which is a wraparound insurance policy which wraps around Medicare and
so the provider bills my insurance company my insurance company pays it and then rebuilds Medicare and this is a deal that was cooked up years ago to allow additional
benefits over above the standard Medicare benefits so if you have a wraparound policy Bernard's health will not Bill the wraparound insurance company because they can only Bill Medicare and that
makes no sense at all because when I walk away from Bernard's health because they won't take my insurance card I go to shoppr right show them my insurance card and I get the shot for free can I because in fact the insurance company would rather give it to me for
free with no co-pay and eat the difference rather than get involved letting me get involved with Medicare now my question of this board
is why does Bernards refuse to take private insurance why do they send taxpayers away because they don't have basic Medicare does that make any sense at all
ask you question so you talk about this wraparound that's a Medicare Advantage plan right say again that's a Medicare Advantage plan right well it's called part c yeah it's an advantage plan it's a Medicare Advantage plan and so it's a Medicare Advantage plan you still but
you still have a Medicare card I have a Medicare card but Medicare itself will not accept billing from a provider if since they know that I have part C I have the wraparound Advantage policy is that what Medicare told you H is that
what Medicare told you I don't know no that's what so I I I can just I mean we'd have to ask them why it may just be an inconvenience for them to take other insurance Medicare they said they can only build government insurance they can't build private insurance so I'm not
sure but it may be that they they it's too challenging for them Bill other insurers and that's why they don't do it cuz I've worked for Robert Wood Johnson for almost 25 years and we do tons of flu clinics so I can ask them how they go about that we take the any insurance
you know we give people flu shots we don't care how old they are of course so I think that would be a question that we have to ask they're living in the Dark Ages and I wonder why we continue to do business with them without having an explanation alternatively why do we
advertise the service if in fact remember I turn I can't use it well I appreciate you bringing that to our attention and like Dr redy said we're going to we're going to question thank you very much you know how to reach me if you have an answer thanks Dennis thank you
Dennis if you email me because I I need to have contact information them so motion okay any others anything online anything online Maryann nun would like to speak okay excuse me
hi um sorry I I just join the meeting um Nory you mentioned an ad hoc committee with reference is this going to be a focus group um open to the public because um I would definitely
like to join uh you're speaking from uh specifically from the health topic correct yes okay yeah I think it's a good idea Aubrey yeah thank thank you Maryann yeah
I don't think it's a bad idea okay thank you no problem I'm writing that down though so now it happens and you know where to find me yes all right any others anybody else on Zoom would like to make a public comment please raise your hand
now I don't see anyone okay thank you Megan so I'm going to make a motion to adjourn the Board of Health meeting and we will go back to the regularly scheduled Township committee meeting so moved all in favor hi thank you thank
you thank you thank you you have my email right if not I will get it now we are going to I apprciate the rec committee Miss scan Lin got some announcements for us good evening everybody thanks for letting me come back another time to one
of your meetings uh I have the fun part of the things to do here uh recently we ran a photography contest called a look to the sky which ran from uh mid October to January
15th and the reason we decided to do that was this fall was unbelievable with all the things going on in the sky uh the big extra bright full moons um we had uh a lot of sightings
Northern Lights um rainbows seeing other planets uh so we got um 14 entries in and tonight um I wanted to bring our four winners uh here we have three of the
four here tonight and uh I was hoping that um mayor if you would indulge us and come down and help present we have um Larry petus from Millington Britney haapan from
Sterling and bailing bellfield from Gillette if you all could come up I have oh yeah I have the pictures you want to put the pictures up that would be great one that's Larry
right hold on Larry's first hold on that yours oh no that's mine that's no that's Ed zendell so he couldn't make it tonight but this is Britney Hagopian that's Larry's yeah he just shared with me he
took it um 911 oh wow over the top of the bank you guys want to get no I'm good I'm Chuck though maybe Chuck wants to get in it because he helped pick the winners you want get in yeah you go pick
here you go there thats better two very nice okay all right who's whatever one you come up with next I'll I'll I'll make it work H that is
Britney thank you she got some of the northern lights in October over her home do you want your son to come up too sure why don't you come on up here we're gonna make you famous
I should mention too that Chuck is our new Vice chair of the recreation advisory committee for well done this is Ed and Ed couldn't be here tonight uh I'll see Ed on Saturday and give him his award Bo um but um we have
bailing bellfield here and this is actually a sunrise uh that she captured really pretty oh your front door yeah yeah all these pictures are so amazing good job guys I love
it that's her name very nice thank you very very much I appreciate the time enjoy your rest of your meeting thank you for doing the uh Awards and everything and the contest very fun thank you thank a good thank
you director Thank you Lisa thank you everybody great pictures thank you all right moving on we have an introduction of ordinance 55925 creating a commercial property maintenance code and supplementing the
the property maintenance code we already have Jack if you want to talk real quick yeah this is a maintenance code for commercial properties that are prepared at U commit Vera's request uh and it just sets various standards for for
commercial properties U including maintenance of warnings front Lawns the structure painting uh the usual things in a property maintenance code and it applies only to commercial properties not to Residential Properties all
right any questions or comments for now otherwise yeah I I'll make a a suggestion and we've done this with other um ordinances in the past that relate to property um shouldn't we maybe also circulate this to the planning board and the zoning board for
review I have no issue with that they they didn't get this yet did they no I fig Congress has review but not the boards yeah so you know once we pass it on first reading we can send it over there as well so we can get comments I think that would be because we don't we just want to make sure we've included
everything we should sure how long let's see how often when can they get on their agenda because I want to let this thing sit for we want that Happ two weeks two weeks Tom's in the back oh you can do it in two weeks we if we put on in March Tom you guys have enough time we'll get it on
okay and what I what I'd suggest too is you know they're going to be foring a few ordinances themselves up to us over time because you know Tom and the team are are actually preparing new ordinances to um preparing new ordinances to be in
accordance with the new Master Plan wants to speak all right so here's the question then oh here comes Tom do we want to put this on for the first meeting in March or just in case something happens or you want to do it on the 26th when we have our meeting anyway 26 might be too short okay uh but
if you get that to us soon next week the ordinance Review Committee will meet and we'll talk about it next week and then we'll have a public discussion uh on a 25th and then we could probably send it back to you so the first meeting in March you should have all right that's
your com okay fine we'll just then after if we approve this now we'll just relist it for the first meeting in March so it will be the public hearing and consideration for um public hearing and adoption at the March 12th meeting okay sure that's fine all right so B Bas on
those suggestions do I have a motion to uh move ordinance 55925 so moved second committee man lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committee man bza yes Deputy Mayor Pia yes mayor
dorsy yes all right moving along uh this we talked about last week a little bit it's ordinance 56-25 uh concerning the historic preservation advisory committee and amending section 235 of the Township Code now we received additional
information tell I know we all saw it um there's a provision I think that Mr fast told us about that was removed from this that probably should remain in there uh let see what I was looking at my email let's see yeah for some reason I don't know
why you weren't copied I'll forward it to Jack now so he has it for so do you want to table this for a why don't we put it off that's fine after I see the email I because this language all came from the h pack itself all right so so Mr fast sent us uh he's on the he's on
the what historical society and he's also involved with the County Historical Society so Larry does have some uh information on this field so he sent us an email about something that's being removed and he explained to us the reason why so I think it's more prudent to let Jack take a look at it and then we'll reintroduce the first reading on
the 26th does anybody have any issue with that we have to vote on that or not no Fred's here sorry Fred Fred Hunt is here yeah okay and um you know and I look at this and I don't think I see Fred on this I don't maybe
we let him comment real quick if you're okay with it Matt yeah Fred what's your email forward it to you too email yeah okay Co n du t o r
FH aol.com conductor FH here we go you you may you may be getting some unsolicited emails oh can I give you social secur number my bank account number all right you I send it to you
too Fred thankk you thanks Fred all right so I guess we'll just we we don't to take a vote on this do we jack all right so we'll bring that up back on the 26th after everybody can take a look at itail next is here we go ordinance 5
61-25 in ordinance establishing a promotional process for the superior officer at the police department basically what we're trying to do is codify the promotional process and change it this has been going on for years pretty much and Jack I mean guy I'll tell you he's been this has been yeah in progress for probably at least
seven or eight years right more more so that that's what this is this isn't promoting anybody today it has nothing to do with that it's just getting the procedure in place mayor before we introduce it uh there's one threshold question as to whether or not you want to have the lieutenants take a written
as well as an oral examination conducted by the New Jersey chief Association we can discuss that now if you want Vic do you have any comment introduce it yeah that's easier than so basically what Jack's suggesting or not suggesting is we came up we got additional information a little while ago and basically what he uh what Jack
said based on the information we received today from obviously competent professionals is that um right now the the ordinance the way it's written is there a written and oral test for lieutenant Chief Captain whatever rank Sergeant whatever it's all the same based on information we got today um was
suggested to us that at least for the first round so we can move this faster for lieutenants is remove the written part of it but everything else stays the same but there still be the written test for Sergeants um and so forth VI that was my take on it also to move forward
uh promptly but not hastily yes that was my understanding as well Mr M yeah it's still going to be the same amount of time it's not like we're doing this tomorrow it's not going to move that fast but it'll move the process along a little faster so if that's the consensus then that provision will be removed from
Aubrey I'll just to go around Aubrey you got do you have any opinion on that yeah no and I would say we're moving it we're still moving it forward within the kind of standard operating time frame that is recommended for being able to prepare for it Etc so
it's not not moving it forward it's not it's it's moving it Forward still within the recommended time frame to give everybody um time to prepare so I would say yes to the oral and then I would just recommend that after we get through this process based on this situation we
go back to having both um requirements in thereal Scott agreed gu agreed Mr Mayor all right so so in section two hyphen 14.1
15.1 uh paragraph 8 will remove in the second line where it says shall submit to written and oral examinations it will be shall submit to oral examinations yes and two written and will be or written and will be deleted
okay now this was also drafted in conjunction with uh labor Council yes looking at AG guidelines need to look at this oh yeah as Randy pointed out um we still have was that on page 13 oh you
have a different one it's uh 24.6 uh Jack okay uh for the promotion process for sergeant under night item number number six we have we have reference to a psychological exam in that section but it's nowhere in the
above sections so there should be an that should be removed oh wa you want it out no it's in it's in paragraph 8 for lieutenants no no no in the sergeant in the sergeant section got it item number six refers to all candidates who pass a
psychological examination and background check right there is no psychological exam for the sergeants in this ordinance I I don't understand yeah I got confused there too that is that is the reference in his ordinance for
Sergeants it's not said it's not mentioned in here above oh wait I'm looking up top there section it says number two and I believe the committee uh agreed not to have a psychological exam for sergeant that they shall complete a background check oh okay so
it should be removed Fair six all candidates will pass background check background check and so you're saying we're recommended taking out psych Just For Sergeants but for lieutenants and Chiefs and everybody
else that stays in is I may have missed it is there a rationale to remove that like could we just keep it Apples to Apples for was there a rationale in removing it and I'm sorry if I missed a conversation I don't
remember we had that convers I know it came up at some point well it was in there that was we moved uh due to the discussion of the township committee that'd be what a month or so ago probably in
December January maybe last meeting or the meeting before I have no issue with it in there I don't think it's a big deal I said know was it recommendation from the Chiefs Association and I don't I just don't remember the specifics as to why we're calling it out sorry so if you wanted to remain in then I think we should Randy raises a good point we
should put it in paragraph two as well just keep it Universal background ansy for all in my opinion right yes so just add nsy on paragraph two and the rest we can leave the same any other at least for now any other
changes you guys good down there okay all right then uh let's see I have a motion to move this going forward for a second reading on one the 26th so moved second matter clerk committe lavender yes committee woman
rer Eline yes committee man verza yes Deputy Mayor yes mayor D yes all right now we're on ordinance 56225 first reading we talked about this briefly last time um uh concerning the some of the rules and I guess the rules
and rs of the of of uh the recck committee least you have least is gone Jack is there anything of note in here no these are recommendations by the rec committee okay and they really just clarify things all all right anybody have anything before I all right I'll take a motion to put this on thank you
for I'm trying to help Matt with his rocket dock rocket docket who's second Vic second all right Miss clerk committeeman lavender yes committee uh committee committee woman rer Eline yes
committeeman verza yes mayor Pia yes mayor dorsy yes all right I think it's the last one or that that's correct and it also designates two members the mayor and the deputy mayor as communication people
with to be clear position of Mayor and the position that's correct not not by name and they have to act in so it's not Matt dorsy or and they have to act in unison one can't go and and deal with the police department they both have to go together thank you for highlighting
that so never mind I'll discuss it when it's time to discuss it guy okay this will be on a second reading when on the 26th if it goes forward today okay motion to move this to a second reading so moved
second committeeman lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committee man verza yes Deputy Mayor Pia yes you did a great imitation of of former mayor Cornell Schuler there and mayor JY no the other piece I
would add is this wouldn't be forever the goal this I don't know if it's been discussed but this the goal just to communicate this the goal would not be to have this be the forever position where the township committee and the two k Liaisons are
appropriate Authority the goal would be to to do this to optimize as we get through this transition period and get the police department and everything set up and running the the goal would then be once we're in a fully transitioned
place to go back and have it not be laying or staying with the township Committee just to put that out there that was my understanding I just want to communicate that I I also we just we didn't vote to pass it we just vote to move it forward and discuss it correct right because as it's you know
as it's written I'm not I'm not a yes vote okay all right moving along consent agenda resolutions oh wait oh sorry oh oh housing liaison Jack just want to explain that real Qui it's 558-2567 have a motion to move this the second
reading on 26 so move second no this is the second reading so you have to open up the public hearing okay ah ah all right so uh anybody from the public have any questions or comments this exciting topic anybody on Zoom oh Frank does B
does and as Frank's coming up I want to point out Megan our municipal clerk is on point all night tonight it's the pizza me up I complimented you leave it alone that's fine go ahead good evening uh Frank liberado Heritage Road
Millington um I'll keep it just to the ordinance that is being discussed so I'm just trying to wrap my head around this and I guess I'll try to be brief but we hired Chief f r to put together a
report that committee is you could come back oh I thought she was about the ordinance with the appropriate Authority oh I'm sorry you got up on that no you every three minutes you can talk about that practicing you were just practicing
you did and great now you're ready Pam you have okay Pam you want to talk on this one about the liaison Pam oans Millington this I didn't even know we had a housing a municipal housing liaison it's you what what do you mean you didn't
know oh and the pay is great just uh give me a little who's the body in it what do they do and if they're not going to be reporting to the planning board near and dear to my heart who will they be reporting to it's an affordable housing position and
basically they have to post things on the State website it's just really an administrative kind of position they don't make any decisions it's more clerical so it's all due to Affordable fair share house it's required by Statute and and who does that now no
one's been doing it that answers my question because it hasn't been function before uh but now the state is is outlined all the duties and requirements so now we're ry's going to yeah they they re reformatted the reporting to the
state of New Jersey that um well and they're looking for a person responsible for making sure all the reporting gets on that website on the state reporting good explanation gotcha and it's not going to be the planning zon in coordin
no because it involves uh Finance also uh it involves all the revenue and expenditures and so forth so um you know in Long discussions uh we which we have had with about this um it was uh probably most appropriate to have myself
as a finance officer and administrator uh be that person yeah de C has really not done anything in that position it was just listed in her list of Duties she never really functioned as a hous and don't get me wrong we in conjunction with each other right yeah so and it
couldn't be like a contract worker like the it has to be an employee it has to be an employe has to be an employee thank you you're welcome P all right anybody online Maran n would like to speak go ahead Maryann hey
Ramsey uh quick question um in essence so you're just going to be the liaison correct with the affordable housing and uh what it entails is just doing the postings with regards to what is
available in the township on affordable housing no uh that that would be our Consultants that would um monitor the affordable housing what this position is strictly is is the person to be held
accountable for the reporting of to the state what projects we the town has adopted uh are round four numbers specifically and the account the accounting of revenues and expenditures the affordable housing trust fund of the
affordable housing trust fund the state also mandates we have an administrative agent and that's our outside CG p& and they perform the functions you you've talked about Maran okay um so it's a little bigger of an issue than um initially thought um so
Randy you you and Essence are going to be um account able okay with reference to monitoring the trust fund correct correct and also collecting the fees which we already do
yes okay um and I know I had sent you and thank you for getting back to me so quickly you know regarding the vacant properties you know is all this uh inclusive in one bundle in terms of the reporting
requirements for what properties Bacons no no that's that has that has nothing to do with the affordable housing recordings okay so that's distinct yes okay so basically you're you're just
you're the accountable source to provide the financials to the state um stipulating that we're in compliance correct not not necessarily stipulating we're in compliance but reporting the
activities that go on in the town activities I have to ask one more question activities because we do have to file the semiannual report so what activities would be outside of that it would be an annual report due uh February 15th of each year
moving forward um and the what projects have been adopted by the planning board what projects have been completed what projects are in uh in in in progress um what we've received in in our um
affordable housing uh fees for residential Andor commercial what expenditures we have okay so this is distinct from the June 30th requirements correct I'm not sure what you're talking about with the June 30th requirements okay uh with
regards to June 30th it's the semiannual with the fair share housing center that we have to report on the properties that's all been changed by the new law right okay so this is a new this is a new protocol correct then this this this
uh yes this updates the previous um and they're still working on it by the way uh this this improves the um past reporting and and uh so all the new reporting will go
through that CP g&h also have a function in in that report also so uh you know and at the end of the day all that's all the information is gathered from the town for more Consultants put in this report
and the uh housing liais on P person will approve all of that information certify that information uh to the state and the state gathers all this information and I'm sure we'll have a easyto use uh website that you could
look up any town okay and my last question I'm sorry I feel like I'm taking up too much time but I feel it's important um in terms of the June 30th requirement with the fair share housing center um on the third
rounds of affordable housing uh is that gone now because that also seems to coincide um there's a lot of ambiguity with regards to the fourth round in terms of what June 30th means for deadlines
I I'm not sure but I can tell you there's a lot of ambiguity uh oh yeah and it's not our fault it's not your fault believe you know what I'm about but again the question will that
be a replacement we're not sure uh we're I'm not sure at this point like I said it's still there's still working on some stuff um I can tell you that on on this current report it does have uh past obligations that have been committed
non-committed and so forth so I I I believe their intent is to uh take all take the round three and and four and put them on this one report not necessarily referring to round three but
referring to uh non-committed Properties or committed properties from round three okay so in essence TCA is trying to gather the information that was not provided by them that's right that's my
sorry okay thank you thank you Maryann all right along to the consent agenda no no we need oh but still public here oh there's still oh anybody else online if anybody else on Zoom would like to make a public comment please
raise your hand now I don't see anyone mayor all right moving along consent agenda resolutions no no now that ordinance oh we thought we did that all right anybody want to Second this I will make a motion to approve ordinance
5825 second committee V lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committee man valza yes Deputy Mayor serg mayor dorsy yes all right now I can look get S agenda Rand I believe change to
2568 yes uh we we have we have a resolution to purchase a um Ford uh Superduty F350 from sourcewell um I met with the director yesterday morning and that uh
vehicle is no longer available however we did find a vehicle through the middle through the Morris County Co-op from neelson um Chevrolet so it'll it's a Chevrolet in the same same type of uh
product that we're looking for at the F350 um the uh price is is uh instead of 56,000 it is 59,000 but does include the um undercarriage uh mount for the plow
so basically that's the difference in price so I would just like to change that resolution to reflect neelon Chevrolet and uh instead of the Ford Super D I think it's called a chevret Silverado
3500 there you go all right anybody have anything want to pull out of this or have to abstain from motion to approve consent agenda resolutions 25- 053 through 068 with the amendment as uh detailed by administrator Randy Bor
second commit lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committee men bza yes Deputy Mayor Pia mayor dorsy yes all right committee reports you know Vic I know you have a lot cuz I saw start down with Scott if there's anything yeah so let's see all right
well um first off hpac um H pac's looking for members uh they recently uh lost two members to resignations and in specifically they're looking for people who are interested in local history as well as preserving it
and serving the community so if um there's anybody out there listening um that would like to join hpac it's a fine group of people I go to the meetings myself sorry Fred I was sick this week couldn't make it um but it's very very interesting so reach out to me or reach
out to Fred hunt conductor F aol.com I listen um next planning board planning board had a meeting yesterday uh we talked a little bit about all this stuff a few minutes ago um but you know the township committee should expect
there'll be some um ordinances coming down the path I think the next couple are signs and uh fences uh and uh Tom Jones and the team will be cranking these things out over the over the coming months so you know we'll have our work cut out for us um
also uh the planning board is planning to have Joe Vu the township engineer uh join a meeting and present on on the revised flood uh flood plane map and the idea is uh for Joe to bring that up on a
zoom and uh have the graphic up there and explain to folks you know how that compares and contrasts with the last flood plane map that we've been dealing with for the past several years so I'd encourage anybody from the public that's going to be interested in that keep an
eye out and um join that Zoom not sure when it is I would say sometime at the next month and a half that's all I have thank you thank you sir guy anything nothing to report Mr Mayor uh auy no well I mean should I do these or not what are
they the these yeah I me have menu from place at you're all teed up yeah you want yeah do Vic cuz Vic Vic get your glasses on all right here we go all right here we go lots of WI to
weather has kept us on our toes with programs but we have weathered the storms 10 photos were submitted to the njlm show off your city photography contest some of the photos are featured on this Slide the winning photo the W the winning photo will be featured on
the cover of the April issue of New Jersey municipalities winter yoga programming continues we still have some room in both classes please register on Community pass if you'd like to join us and nurture your inner
peace we are still continuing to offer other classes this is the perfect time of year to catch up on your certifications particularly if you are planning on coaching a Spring sport this year Red Cross adult and pediatric first aid will be offered February 27th and
Red Cross CPR AED for the lay responder will be offered on March 7th the safety training will be offered March 19th and please note that all of these classes will fill up fast so please register on community pass as soon as
possible lots of families had fun playing virtual Valentine's bingo with us tonight make sure you sign up for St Patrick's Day virtual Bingo on Wednesday March 12th it's free for all Lon Hill residents for of all ages please
register on community p now registration is now open for Springfield hockey this program is met for w Chung Hills athletes in grades 5 through eight and it's designed to be a carryover from The Fall season so players can play in games and keep their
skills tuned up registration is open now on community pass and Sunday games will be played between 46 and 518 register registration closes on March 17th so don't delay make sure you Jo make sure you
join us in caner park on March 26th from 400 p.m. to 6: p.m. to celebrate our new playground word has it that our friendly Park gnomes will be joining us for lots of fun games and this is a free event
thank you to our sponsors The Long Hill Moms Club for providing our face painter and to Starbucks for the refreshments we have lots of fun in store so be sure to mark your calendars but wait there's more a lot
more all right moving on to slide number seven make sure you mark your calendars for our annual spring egg hunt this free event will be held at caner Park on Saturday April 12th at 10 p.m. sharp I'd
be RIS I'm sorry am. sharp and it happens to be Gianna's birthday by the way that day she likes that event I'm going to have to note that um we will uh we will have a petting zoo pony rides and a very special guest with
long ears I wonder who that could be the Long Hill Chamber of Commerce businesses will also be on hand with goodies and the adult egg hunt join us at the C Park pavilion during spring break for a special free
movie in the park we will show Mufasa the newest version of The Lion King series of movies bring a long chair bring a lawn chair or Beach Blanket and come join us to watch it on the big screen just a reminder adult open play
basketball continues on Thursday nights until 51 register on community pass if you want to join us in join in on the fun remember every time remember every time some of that fluffy white snow
falls go have some fun making snow sculptures enter our free contest by snapping a photo of your creation and uploading it on community pass by March 17th open to all ages in lill Mark those dates for summer camp fun
once again we will bring summer camp fun to LGH Hill two separate camps L Hill Parks and Recreation grades k38 camp and also L Hill little explorers camp for children's ages 3 through five watch the
website and our e newsletters as more information is released as we get closer to the opening of registration what will you be doing this summer why not consider a job with Long Hill Parks and Recreation we have lots
of Summer opportunities and the time to apply is now please see the website under employment and Parks and Recreation for more information can did you say this I blacked out did you talk about yoga I did you did yes right I'm
just saying there's yoga was number two in nature or something Ian the whole thing you can still register Lynn's class started this week mine starts in two weeks and last but not least slides 13
and 14 finally please remember to keep our Parks clean it's best for all of us not to hear Oscar the Grouch complaining about all of the garbage and remember we are always looking for more members on our Recreation and advisory committee
interest in interested in volunteering with us please contact the Parks and Recreation Department and that concludes well I'm not going to let you finish just yet Vic have you spoken with Lisa and this is probably not the time of year where it's
going to be littered very much but has it improved the I'll be honest with you I have not discussed whether it's improved or not but the fact that she continues to mention it I'm thinking maybe not yeah that's unfortunate but I'll get verification on that thank you
all right I just have one quick we have uh somebody I miss all right Miss audin say she I know you walk your dog there every day right so that's good to you yeah she said she's there every day and it's been improving but it's probably because the lack of people in there people under the age of 15 over there got it and wait a minute just when you thought you were
done with me I got a little oh okay all right for those of us who haven't noticed this was on my questions for today all right we are pleased to announce our new LED sign is up and running in front of town hall and uh
don't be concerned we know that there's still more work to be done with the landscaping around it when it's fun it's going to look when it's done it's going to look fantastic shortly there will be noes and flyers displayed on the sign and if you if there is a Township
appropriate event such as a sterling of you know fire vtis dinner or um register for wck things yes appropriate information and events that should be displayed please email Colette the executive administrator and her email is
on the website or you could uh and so was the phone number but 908647 8000 extension 200 that's 908647 8000 extension 200 and yeah all right that's all you're going to hear
out of me tonight thank you I also going to field I did feeli a comment today also to have information on there um regarding trash or recycling pickup because Monday is a holiday so schools are closed if you know trash or recy is normally on there but just calling it out like things like that could also go
on there all right now I only have one announcement but then I'll get the or but you could get more than me uh from the seniors um Nancy mink is retiring as the uh part-time administrator Nancy done a great job I've dealt with them for years um but they are looking for somebody to be the part-time
administrator of the senior center um it's if you're interested send your resume to LH seniors LH seniors comcast.net where you can drop it off down there during business hours or talk to somebody on the senior day as of a couple days they're still looking for somebody so thank you Nancy and can we
please get somebody in there because there's a lot of programs and things going on that we need help with thank right like talking to the board of health Team that's right I you're up all right so speaking of Health which I know some here might not be there are so many things going on um that are coming out
of the uh Bernard's Department of Health that we liaison with not going to read all of these but they're good ones and we will work on how we can communicate this out better but one way to to find this is um going on our website going to
departments clicking on health and it'll link over to the calendar of events that um Bernards publishes so that's a great way of getting all of the events that are listed here uh I want to say the majority of these are free and there is you from everything from heart health to
um recipes to blood pressure things to teen dating and things like that as well as Cancer Care for those in treatment and their caretakers so lots of good stuff so I recommend everybody take a look um and see if something applies to you that could be beneficial so then the
library update um the first is friendly reminder that they are open 7 days a week and they cannot wait to welcome more members of the community into the fun and educational and interactive space uh the next slide is going to show the library's weekly schedule of
programs and events there's a kids version and an adults version and there are lots of things um for all ages which I also encourage everyone to take advantage of because there's some really good and exciting things um going on at the library our littl readers are welcome to join daily story times um
alphabet story times every morning are at 10:30 studying G for giraffe here and all sorts of different story times in the afternoon science biography and more practice reading to a dog uh beloved Morgan this Saturday and also there are
free chess lessons this Saturday too very exciting cute pictures oh my god dancing with Linda um slide four is the lon Hill Township Library hosts a number of free classes line dancing Italian and French chess art classes maang and more come
try something new all are welcome and make a friend at the library next slide we have got a lot of book clubs in person on zoom in cancer Park and also offsite there are silent book clubs meaning you can read what you want at oakflower and Starbuck too so
that's very different and exciting so take advantage of it then uh special shout out the movie Wicked is on Thursday at 1: p.m. um adult art is Thursday at 3:30 p.m. and valent Val in's day making and sorry Valentine's
Day making and party on Friday afternoon yes the chocolate fountain will be out and this Sunday at 1:30 there's a concert uh piano and song by Jay Daniels so lots of really good stuff happening at the library that it wow all right moving
along here so we are now on to uh administrator's report Mr bar yeah mayor I just have uh one item um the police uh facility uh committee uh kicked off last week uh I met with the uh two members
from the police department uh we're going to be scheduling some uh meetings with surrounding police departments that have recently um built a police headquarters to get uh they ask some questions get their input of of things to do things
not to do how their experiences were and so forth so on and and uh T their facilities so so I I will also be looking for either one member or two members of the of this commit the toship committee uh to be on that ad hoc
committee um we don't have a a second uh meeting scheduled yet but it'll probably be um a trip to uh one of the facilities uh nearby to take a look at their facility and um get some ideas this may
be a really stupid question is the rest I know I see um Alexis here is there does everyone on the police department kind of know that that committee is convened or just you know even though no decisions have been made but just to show that there is that attention to
that yes piece of the puzzle yes I I believe the police the officers know there's uh four people from the police department on this committee a mixture of uh more senior members and and uh younger less senior members that you
know will be here for quite a while um I know you one of the people talk to me they're very excited to be on the committee uh so um and I'm looking forward to it also so thank you that's it that's it all right all right let's
go to new business old uh let's see discussion items uh first is New Jersey Transit camera Scott you brought this up so if you want to take the lead on this one yeah yeah so um got an email from a resident um who was parked at the uh Gillette train
station and uh apparently their car was broken into um items were stolen a a garage door opener as well which is kind of scary um and um yeah he asked the question is there
are there cameras there and I don't I don't think there are um you know is that something that we might want to consider because if there were cameras there you know the cars in that lot would have been protected and probably would have helped the police in terms of
um addressing the issue and finding the perpetrator or you know really as a uh as as as a preventative to Crime if people know cameras are there they're less likely to do hanky things so purpose of this discussion is um are
there technical reasons why we don't have cameras in in the train Lots or legal or legal reasons right legal Reon legal reason but the cameras could then focus on private property would they have to be directed away from private property you're on camera all day long
you don't fa yeah I think there there's several questions you know legal being one of them but you know also technically you know is there power is there transmission uh is there budget is uh who has the right to do it is it us or New Jersey
Transit right if we think it's a good idea we should probably get the answers to those kind of questions I think it's a must I I think it's worth looking into absolutely and we'd have to obviously multiply it out for all the train stations in town well and we do you know
collect revenue from the Millington station and the revenue from that is supposed to be used for improvements to the property so we have a funding source for it I'm kind of surprised we don't have cameras to be honest with you I I have to admit it I kind of assumed we
had some type of video surveillance on on our train stations so here I I would suggest the following we make this easy and you know maybe Randy I don't know if if you wanted to assign this to somebody you know first let's do a quick survey of the three parking lots to make sure
we know that there's no cameras in any of we know there's there are right so that's step number one step number two is to get um a professional to analyze all three parking lots and figure out what the line of sight how many cameras there would be in which direction they
would point right and then the third thing would be maybe to put this out for bid uh and the fourth thing and maybe this is something for Jack is to just cross check this with Jersey transit to make sure that we're not getting ahead of our skis yeah I object but we can check yeah I think we would need
permission from transit and as long as they don't put out the money I don't see them Happ unless there and I don't know do they are there any other towns where this applies and that have it and I don't know is it a split you know is there opportunity to have you know New Jersey Transit split it I don't know I'm
sure that's probably not but maybe they're supposed to pay for it I was think maybe they're supposed to provide I would ask those questions I don't think money is an issue based upon what I've seen in terms of our parking fees and and the war chest that we have on you can only use the parking fees for
station improvements no and and I the surveillance systems aren't really that expensive anymore what it cost for the baseball you know because when the little league getting clot or the baseball's getting clot correct and yeah we can get these numbers it's it's it's it's three different it's three
different locations so the places are going to be different but we you know we we know what they cost for caner Park we know the improvements of caner Park we have an estimate for the L leag complex so we we have a good idea of what it would cost uh it's just a matter I think
uh councilman lavender makes uh some uh perfect committee man sorry committee man LA to make some perfect um questions you know is there is there power to the locations we need to get cameras and where are the locations uh where where is the server going to be located at is
it going to be you know here at the municipal building at Police Headquarters you know these are these are questions that that a vendor we can pick a vendors and there's probably vendors that specialize in train station parking lots I have a Alexis you might know the answers does New Jersey Transit
PD would they have jurisdiction over that or would we we would yeah we we we would uh because we list it from transit oh okay all right I mean I think Transit would have the platforms yes that's correct if you will um and the tracks and the tracks yeah so
if something happens on the tracks they take it over from us there's a something going on all right thank you all right next is the carport discussion from last meeting I think I don't know how far we started Vic started it yeah I think that this is a committee for request and I
think you've got to come up with a list of things you'd like to send to the planning board to study and make recommendations ordinance can you say that again you you going to send it to well I think you need to make a list of things you would like to do in this ordinance and then did I did I provide
you with the a list via yeah all right cool but I me before we do that we could discuss it of course I recommend we send it to the planning board and let them review it because I don't know where it fits into Tom do you want to handle that too well I think you know I did ask Tom
to do a little bit of research on this and and the the master plan is silent on on carports for residential now it does mention carports for commercial and actually makes a recommendation for green car ports with um with solar
panels over it you know and shield from the wind and snow Etc um you know so we're getting into a little bit of new territory here what I would like to understand is for residential what exactly are we trying to accomplish we have people that put temporary tents above their
driveways to par to park their cars on their carports car pads in front of their houses uh they put Stone in front of the in on their front lawn and park the cars on their front lawn they pave the entire front lawn uh front of their
front lawn by the street um and it's something that people could do as of right now and there's no they just have to get a permit there's no ordinance against it now I can see if there's a hardship involved and you want to you know and you and you want to come in front of the zoning board and and
explain the hardship and a judgment can be made but for people to just arbitrarily put up car ports car pads temporary tents and pave the entire front of their front lawn creating a private parking spot on the street uh the entire length of their house I I
don't think it's really uh appropriate and I think most towns have most people would agree and most towns have ordinances against it some towns do require that you park on your driveway and and things like that so there are various ways to deal with it if you can make your driveway bigger you but
there's impervious coverage regard too yeah theyve already restrictions in terms of not but not really for the most part right now if you wanted to dump stones on your front lawn in Long Hill Township and park your car on it you could pretty much do it but that's imp that's impervious like it's always Paving it's the same as Paving it I
think I think stones are permeable it might not count as impervious coverage our ordinance our ordinance provides that's right hey Tom you mind Tom's here I mean are you guys okay with here of this I get my knowledge based on my conversations with our with you know
with with with Mark Andress our our code enforcement official it's it's my understanding if you're going to pave your front yard you have to come either before the Zoning Board of adjustments or you got to come before the planning board so anytime you do impervious uh coverage it's got to come before us if you're doing that without coming before
us then you're already going against uh the Zoning for residential areas if you're dumping Rock in your front yard that too would probably constitute having to come to the zoning board or the planning board otherwise you're doing it outside of uh uh what's required or what's allowed in
residential zones if you're erecting structures that too probably needs to come to the Zoning Board of adjustments probably not the planning board but uh that too could cause a hazard I think that we need need to take a look at our ordinances and make sure that there's
prop proper clarification because I'm getting two different stories on it I don't know if it's an enforcement question or uh they can't there's nothing to enforce that's the bigger issue I think yeah I didn't see anything in the uh in in the code books with regards to car ports I did look at
garages and detached structures but it doesn't call out car ports or overhangs along those lines but there might be some uh work that needs to be done to help Define that there are other ordinances that need to be defined they're Loosely written uh this might be
another one for that category so maybe maybe maybe the right thing to do Vic since uh Tom and the team is going through all the ordinances for that maybe maybe that's a good topic for them to zero in on and make sure that whatever we do here we harmonize with something that's going to be for the betterment of the town and I think an
involvement with Mark Andress would be crucial in that because he's on the front lines Mark Andress yes he's our he code enforcement oh okay understood yeah but if it's silent he has nothing to he doesn't have anything other than someone dumping asphalt or rock on their
front yard creating but he he could let you know in his opinion where the ordinances lack I believe you know yeah understood understood thank you if you want to send that send that to me we can rest of the stuff I'll be right in the back thank you Tom thanks Tom all
right now we go any old or new business all right announcements uh already I already announced the uh part-time administrator uh Fire Company venison dinner March 8 600 PM it sells out it's a the food is unbelievable um
so if you want to go get your ticket now uh next is the there's a pickle ball tournament and the reason I'm announcing this is because you got several emails weeks ago about the pickle ball court and wanting more pickle ball courts clearly there's a need they're having a pickle ball tournament at Warren Racket Club to benefit the high school Project
Graduation it is on March first the I got some QR code you got to click on so I don't know how to do that so just contact Warren rackets Club if you're interested in doing it it's March first starts at 6:30 there's doubles there's prizes you get a T-shirt and it's up on the board so thank you red
okay any other announcements all right Open Mic time anybody have anything they want to say three minutes what Fred hunt from Millington chairman of hpac what what is your email
again I got I got the mail I got the mail and uh and I'm going to address it right now okay to since it's going to be up again at the next meeting I I really um I think we can take care of it right now um I I read over the email Mr fast
comment and what he wants to do is uh leave in the paragraph at the very end of what used to be uh standards and is now called guidelines and that paragraph would um um
use the uh Department of the Interior standards I think uh that doesn't hurt to leave that in I have no pride of authorship here uh you know so I I would propose that I mean I can send in a
revised version of this with that paragraph left in I think we put it back in tonight and introduce it exactly yeah we can do that if you want we can do it tonight I want you introduce it tonight yeah okay so uh let me tell you what it would be I think I sent it to Jack so we
can copy paste it we got it don't worry yeah 2.3 D do 2 2-3 5.5 guidelines and um the old paragraph I under standards would become the new
paragraph e so yeah it it shows now as being deleted as strike through so we do is remove the break through and uh you can introduce tonight yeah and it would become if you accept everything else it
would become paragraph e y so Jack do we have to do anything formal or can I make a motion make a motion to this as revised with Mr hunts correct uh that's fine yep Ed it yeah that's fine so I make I'm so moved right
here okay so that's ordinance 560 -25 yep with the motion to approve with the uh edits that Mr Hunt outlined and I'll second all right uh thank you Mr Hunt for being flexible thank you Larry for
bringing that to our attention and just one more thing of my three minutes here yeah wait a second we're about to vote can we just take the vote first okay uh committeeman lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committeeman verza
yes Deputy Mayor pan yes mayor D yes all right you're on again okay I just want to uh thank you for plugging our plugging hpack we we are looking for two new members um no particular qualifications other
than they're interested in local history and they want to do something for the town um we would also like to get a member uh what we call a Class A Member who has some experience in architecture or home construction we we do have we do
have a member that has those qualifications now but we'd like to have maybe one more so if anybody's interested in joining hpac please fill out a uh volunteer form on the website and we will get it over to us and to HB or you can or you can contact Mr Hunt we
all know we all know his email okay thank you thankk you Mr Hunt and I would say just Define hpack for those that are watching historic preservation advisory committee thank you all right Gary how are you Gary Janis Sterling New
Jersey um president of the Chamber of Commerce you guys uh passed the resolution today for the street fair thank you very much I I came in today to try to get a little clarification on the street fair me and Megan kind of went back and forth a little bit about the
special event permit that I uh amended I printed it out it might have missed a couple of things in what I put on there but I'm just trying to understand if there's alcohol being served by a vendor not the local care Chamber of Commerce but somebody
that's coming how that affects and how we can uh I got some direction from you on what additional language we might need in a in an insurance uh hold harmless agreement I'm assuming that came from you the GIF requires
additional language when alcohol being served so in speaking with our insurance uh provider now that always provides a certificate Insurance adding the township as additionally insured um upping the amount of insurance isn't necessarily the issue but you seem to
have some specific language and insurance carriers can't change the way I mean they're just they're they provide the insurance but they can't customize uh the whole harmless language the way that you have it so I don't want to go too far down this path and realize well
we can't fulfill what it is that you're trying to require but but they don't sign the whole time was the chamber would so what I'm saying is when the insurance uh provider issues a hold harmless agreement they can't write the language
that you want in there it's provided by you know their company they can find different company they they also don't sign the whole harm lless that's by the insured yeah it's the insured so it would be the person who's getting the insurance would sign it so let make up thing was uh AIG
ensuring it and for you you would sign the hold harmless not AIG right what I'm saying is the township or Mr pigeon has some specific language that you want on it and they can't what's that it's not me it's the GIF the GIF the F people list I know you know what
it is but I don't know what it is GIF the GIF so that's I mean because they not insurance carrier can't put into into their policy what GIF wants so how do we how do we do that another carrier that's one thing I've spoken to another carrier they also don't
customize their hold harmless language to what GIF wants I guess I don't understand why the insurance companies involved in hold harmless um they're the ones who provide the policy right they probably won't ensure if I if Gary came and said look
certain language in it they so we're not going to ensure that for you Gary go find somewhere ice no it's not that they're not going to ensure it it's that the specific language that you're asking for right they can't change the way the policy that the way their insurance company writes it they're just you know providing what their company
rights I I think we'd have to talk to our risk manager uh you know it's really an insurance question right right so right now in other words I I think the situation is is you can't get insurance because we're asking you to get a specific writing specific language for that for the insurance to cover that day
and insurance company will not provide you insurance with that specific language is this for the chamber or for the vendor that's the question because the CH the vendor gets the insurance insurance and they give Everybody hold harmless so the vendor got the insurance and they held the chamber harmless they
we're the sponsor of the event right so we're being asked to provide a a a a whole harmless agreement right I guess I don't I'm assuming so but let's say for example it's a layers let's say the vendor says all right we're going to hold the chamber harmless and we're going to hold the committee harmless then you're covered and we're covered so
it goes back to the vendor probably right I still don't understand why the insurance companies involved in the whole time was they would just issue a Certificate of Insurance Company that's right wait the insurance requirement is just you have a certain amount I think 3 million it went from 1
million to 3 million because if there was alcohol at the right the chamber isn't the one bringing the alcohol right so you provide the Certificate of Insurance but you also have to sign the hold harmless but they're two separate two separate things okay so the hold harm are you writing the certificate
that we have to sign no there's a stand okay the insurance company can't write it no it's a Certificate of Insurance you're just providing that you have liability insurance from the insurance company a certain amount that names the township as an additional insured M and then
you're signing a hold har list but that's not coming from the insurance company where is it coming from it comes from the chamber or whoever the sponsor of the event is the chamber isn't in the in the business of writing hold harmless agreements we have an insurance company
that does stuff like that for us no it's a requirement of the GIF that you have both the Certificate of Insurance and the sponsor of any special event so on the application you actually are signing the hold harmless so we will just have to amend it on the hold harmless
agreement the application yeah the application here yeah yeah we'll just have to add that language as proposed by the GIF into that hold har oh so the insurance company doesn't have to do it because you're going to do it no because you're going to do it well we can provide the
language wait you want me to change your application the hold harmless agreement with the additional language as required by the jef that you sign off on as part of their application as a part of the app the special event application the the
GIF requires it because there's greater risk involved than there alcohol sure but every special event if you have alcohol you've got to sign that hold harmless okay it's not my rule so so my insurance company doesn't have to write something like this no okay great so
just just to kind of reiterate this yeah Megan has an application it already has a whole harmless agreement in it okay you're going to sign that okay whatever happens Downstream is on you she's going to put in the new language that the GIF wants just to make sure
it's up the snuff so really nothing changes on your end you're still signing something from Megan right you're signing that agreement and then you're going to get the insurance policy right which is an increased uh coverage right and all we're getting from the insurance company is the certificate of insurance which is a onepage
meaning that right insurance so when I when I shared the email back to our insurance company like well we can't do this so maybe we kind of misunderstood that you guys were providing this document that needs to be signed correct okay yeah I'll I'll um I'll put the additional language in send it to you so
you can sign off on it okay all right hopefully any problems make sure you let keep us in the loop sure okay so confusing thanks thanks thank you Gary all right anybody else in the public a three minute comment anyway I'm not as tall Charles
renit Millington my comments tonight are not directed at Aubrey because she was not here when all this happened my comments tonight are about ordinance 56
3-25 first reading I like to quote from the township of lill police department assessment prepared by Robert J ferano Harding Township
administrator October 21st 2023 I'm going to quote from his independent recommendations and option processes I'm going to quote from page
47 remain independent number three and I quote amend the municipal code chapter 2-1 14.2 appropriate Authority designation
from the township committee to the township administrator period the designation change will provide for a clear line of authority between the police chief and the elected members of the township committee
period this gentleman was hired as an expert one of you referred to Mr ferano as being scary smart Mr ferano was chief of police of
this town he served over six years at the administrator of men burrow he's currently administrator of Harding Township why would this ordinance 563
d25 be in direct conflict of what you hired this expert to deliver I don't want an answer tonight but think about withdrawing from its first reading and proceeding you've spent taxpayer monies on
MRI on Mr ferano because we quote we don't know how to manage a police department we need help okay you get the help and then you ignore it as president Trump said
recently let's start using common sense I could bring a stronger message to you tonight then let's use common sense why would we spend all this money
for experts and then all of a sudden the four of you have become experts let's use common sense here and get rid of this but I want Common Sense by the four of
you and auy wasn't here for all this discussion thank you for your time and I hope you all use common sense thank you thank you thank you next first yes Frank
good evening again second time Frank barado Heritage Road Billington right um I have a couple of points but I want to pick on pick up where uh Chuck left off uh actually the next recommendation
in Chief F R's report referred to something that the body did some time ago removing the T committee liaison position from from the police department so that kind of parallels in with the appropriate Authority not being
a town committee with being the administrator and there was a reason why he recommended that and I believe there was a reason why the governing body did that before was to keep that clear line between the two so I am I am concerned that you know we rely on our experts
we've adopted the recommendations of Chief ferano which I highly regard and I think we all do and and I'm just puzzled you know we're in 2 and A2 years into this situation when you know uh we no longer have cheat Naga and we've moved
forward through different processes that we've tried and it it seems like now we're going against the professionals that we hired who know how to run a police department and know how to operate it I don't know how to do it I'm sure none of you know how to do it I'm sure there's
courses and training but you still rely on professionals so I'm just kind of trying to wrap my head around why we're going I don't know if you want to say backwards or going back towards a previous practice that was recommended not to do
so I don't know if you want to answer that first and I'll jump to my other questions if anyone on the body yeah go do other one first okay so uh in addition to that could um we get some type of uh General explanation as to the
experiment when hiring a public safety director clearly I guess did not work out because he's no longer here and I know I was told several times last year by the governing body we were moving closer and closer towards the resolution but I guess we didn't get there so first
question is is what's the reason for it and I know there's certain Personnel issues so you can't get into details because you don't want to cross the line into any kind of legalities where reason for what specific for for specifically the Public Safety Director's position no longer being occup IED by director
peoples okay and then the next question is do you plan on refilling it or is that position going to be just permanently vacated and we're not going back to you know doing that and um next question
is right here the next item I wanted to discuss was the three recommendations that Chief Al around had made in his report since we're back here to the drawing board is the way I look at it with director peoples having left is on page 46 option one was remain
independent option two was joint meeting and option three was shared services taking that into account have we explored all three of those options before going in the next Direction have we consulted with the uh Division of
Community Affairs who does assessments for shared services or joint meeting or remaining independent because clearly we're 2 and 1/2 years in you know we're still looks like trying to find our way through this and we don't have really any substantial progress now that the
director has left so I would just like a little guidance as to what the thoughts were on those those three areas and I finally my last question was when that resolution was brought forward regarding um moving the appropriate Authority back to the committee and
creating the two I know it's not qual the aison positions but I'll just use that from my terminology um I know mayor dorsy you voted no and the other four members voted to move it forward if maybe you could add some color to your disension
on that or if anyone else has an opinion on it that they'd like to share those are all my questions I'll address some of the issues with respect to why the public safety director is no longer here I don't know and even if I did we couldn't tell you it's a Personnel issue so that's can't you knew we couldn't
talk about that um two the issue with the joint meeting or shared service that would take two to tango and I don't know if Harding I don't think they have any intention of combining the police departments now so even if we were all in on it they would have to vote for it too and I don't think they're even close to that or maybe chadam I we didn't
talked to chadam okay but yeah they would come out with Chad and barel so that's nothing you got you had any conversations with as part of Harding we no with Harding we can't get into everything but I know right now if you asked them to do it it would probably be a resounding no okay that I can tell you um as to the shared services I don't
even know if they'd be interested in that I don't know what we could share at this point like I've said hey you want to share a chief they're not interested in that so that that's not happening either anytime soon as to we're going to refill the chief of police position I not the chief the uh public safety director or Police director I don't
think we're going in that direction and what I can tell you is I know a lot of the guys in the public ask me this all the time and ladies is that youever Eng gave the chiefs of Police Association tonight I can tell you for sure after we came out late we had a very good meeting with the chiefs of Police Association to discuss the different programs they have
the different Avenues we can have and how how they can serve us and now we talked to them the whole time that's why we have to go back in exec session it was very I can tell you this was very informative we have Direction They very good Direction real Direction and we're going to be talking them starting tomorrow about some things and and they gave you good Insight a year ago when
they came here and and and said you know what they foresaw happening because they've seen it happen in other communities yes so yes so yes we're definitely taking them seriously we're going to speak to them again tomorrow or Friday probably tomorrow but we can I can tell you this that 40 something minutes that couple minutes while we
were late that's because who we were talking to the whole time and they were very informative they opened our eyes to a lot of things and different programs different ways we can go about doing business and I thought it was very productive I think everybody else sit up here agrees with me that it was they were very productive I agree yes I think
we handled everything we can and also I was for moving moving it forward to hear public comment but I'm not for it okay I I appreciate that uh you know just understanding the clarity in that I was just trying to see you know cuz I'd like
to get input from the committee you know if what they're pros and cons I I think I think next meeting is going to be a very spirited conversation that's that's my guess well it's still going to be spirited conversation regardless so I think I think you're going to hear a lot more information when it comes down to voting and and I guess the last question
is of the 51 recommendations that Chief ferano had made do we have uh an accounting of how many of those have actually been implemented so far or maybe the next meeting somebody could get back and say you say that again I'm sorry oh I'm sorry of the 51
recommendations that Chief F Rano put in his report that the committee had adopted during uh director people's tenure you know how much of this was done how much work was done or how much many of these 51 were actually adopted
or implemented or are we just basically going to be starting over over with someone new depending on what the final Direction you end up going in R Randy you can answer that yeah I'm formulating a report to give to the township committee and working with the uh officer in charge in in getting those
that those answers all right good yeah I I would be curious to see because in the mind of the public and it's not just me people have said you know with director people's tenure here and where we ended up for whatever reason there was a separation there you know that was an
expensive experiment for a year and then you add on the the cost of the studies and when we're paying money for studies with our tax dollars and then we're not following it's it's just like you know if I'm doing a road job and I have do out there and I have an engineer you
know unless the engineer is doing something completely egregious I'm going to kind of follow their guidance because this is something they do every day I don't and and I would defer to them and that's I'll leave it at that hey Matt can we comment on why director peoples was unable to do his job no okay sorry
all right I mean I I just want to add like before when we were taking that vote on that ordinance um I agree that for the time being having the committee be the appropriate Authority I just want to reiterate I don't feel it should be like that long
term but to get us through these next steps of how we're moving forward together as a town as a department as a committee to to move things forward in the direction that it needs to go both taking into account the ferano report all the other reports and current state
um as well as incorporating the chiefs of Police Association and their guidance that is the um I want to say best foot forward right now in my opinion to be able to move things forward the way we need to to get
clarity for the Department the town and everyone involved I appreciate your opinion but I I would also say that our administ Ator I'm sure is very capable of being the appropriate Authority you know he handles all the other departments and I would have faith in him running that cuz
he's here dayto day everyone here has other jobs and and life's outside of here where you know this gentleman is living breathing you know the office and and uh and I think there was a reason why Chief F put that in there regardless of if there's a chief in place or not
the OIC would report to the administrator I would just rethink that because it just that line of Del delineation I think is very important especially now and I would say also you guys speak up like on the way to properly articulate it but ry's not
going to be like a missing entity in the equation MH you know because he is still here day to day he is still having the communication yeah it's that that's kind of where I was coming from was you know it's just like if I'm reporting to someone on on a on a project my direct
line of communication is that specific person not necessarily two or five people or right or six people agreed I think another area of of concern too is we were advised it should be one person uh not two so the way the way
it's being proposed to move move forward would have the officer in charge answer to two members of the township committee which is which is highly discouraged even just that's not that's not actually true they answers to all five I'm but
have I'm sorry one it was one point person we'll call it like that maybe IED that one right one person to report to correct and as you how could you report to all five all five are going to give you different yeah you can't you can't do that but
like as you recall you remove the liaison position for a reason so I'm trying we removed the liaison position because of the Hanky Panky that's gone on in the past Hanky Panky can you elaborate on that sir yeah so you know look it seems
a little bit counterintuitive what we're doing here um what we wanted to have was a Police director to be the appropriate Authority and one with police experience what we have right now is a situation where for the time being as Aubrey said
we're going to do this until we get on to firmer ground now the reason we have two people and the reason it's the mayor and the deputy mayor as positions is so that not one person takes control of this position for the next several
years all right now the township committee under the terms of this uh ordinance would make its decision as a body not as five people as a body and communicate with the with the Department
in terms of both the mayor and the deputy mayor as conduits of communication now this is directly in accordance with New Jersey state statute 4A 13 148
118 and the wording behind this was a lot of back and forth with legal counsil as to what would the right thing to do be the second thing is our administrator right now is a consultant that is nothing we litigated this that has nothing to do with that I've been on
record before in talking about this and there there are legal opinions on this as well ry's on a year toe contract right so you know this is not ideal for us as Aubrey said it's a short-term
thing but you know let's not mischaracterize this and say that this is five people going to the police department yeah maybe it is if the people up here can't control themselves but we're trying to put a position in place here where there's accountability and a degree to do this
right and get us back on the right foot none of us are happy with the way things went sideways over the last few years and who does that fall on that falls on this body and five people people not being on the same team so you know I would just say this is not something that we're just stab
trying to stab out wildly trying to get this right but it's very difficult when you have five different personalities with five different opinions on how Police Department should be run we we've got committee members here that'll go straight to the police and go straight to officers they shouldn't be doing that and we have other ones that used to do
stuff behind the backs of everybody else so is that the Hanky Panky you're referring to yeah I would say maybe Hanky Panky is the wrong word it's it's coloring outside of the lines but in that same light if you're referring to administrator bar only being on a yearly
contract the mayor and the deputy mayor position rotates through every year anyway so you're just cycling people through but the the mayor and the deputy mayor are not the appropriate Authority the the the governing body is the appropriate Authority and I'd encourage you to go out and look at the New Jersey
code book it's on our website so you're saying then dep departments that have their Chief report the administrator in violation that no it can be that it can be a committee it can be a specific designated person it could be Jack what's exactly the ordinance will you
give Frank the uh number it's njsa 4814 hyen 1118 right I encourage you to go study that okay I I will take a look at that but I I I I felt in regards to your comment about Hanky Panky by keeping the
political arm of the town separ from the police department and allowing your professional administrator to be the neutral person in the middle and be the direct conduit from the department and from them to you it eliminates the personality conflict that there may be where the five members of the body aren
on the same page because I think just having two members dealing with the Department is not necessarily going to change everyone's mind you're still going to run into the same issues you're just shuffling the cards on the deck we'll get more into the debate next next meeting I know I'm over my three minutes but I haven't been here in a while thank
you for calling that out and I think also just to reiterate our commitment is to moving this forward the best way possible in the best interest for the police department and our community and there's a lot of more a lot more stuff we need to do in this town than mess around with the police department and I haven't can't argue with you there I
came in late to the party I use party Loosely um but you know trying to navigate based on the information that we have and and what's been going on to be able to move it forward for everybody I'll leave you with one point our Department's been around for 100 years it's well I think they do a great job I
don't think it needs a lot of meddling or tweaking I think we have a clear line of authority we get a chief put in we all move forward and there's a lot of other things in this town as you said that definitely need to be focused on Police Department is really the least of our worries right now they're doing an excellent job well I think we've heard
they are doing an excellent job outstanding absolutely and I think we also have heard that they want the communication and the clear career pathing um and that is also so it's not just the chief it's it's the whole kitten Kaboodle to make sure everybody's clear on the path forward to help career growth if people want it and we're two
and a half years into the process so it's everyone's patience is where I get that but I've only been In fairness I've only been here and I would like to go on record I think a little bit moved a little bit faster recently I think thank you Frank thank you
next Albert again you raised some issues no no no no bber wants no no no it's you got your three minutes yeah there's going to be a public Hearing in a week or two weeks I'm not here Al Peppe Sterling yes Mr pepy um yeah I didn't want to follow Chuck
anyway um I I can't believe that we're still going through this and we're not following the the I'm just reiterating what Chuck and Frank said why aren't we following the plans that we paid for he's a professional so we're in this position because you have no confidence
in the police department and now you have no confidence in this guy here when's it going to stop who's next and you say this is going to be temporary for how long it and unless there's an end date there's not it's not temporary so when you go down this rabbit hole it's going
to be permanent fa call I I just don't I can't believe that we're still having these discussions I'm in agreement I didn't I'm sorry I didn't catch your name at the beginning I apologize thank you but I can assure you though even though we disagree here on this on the board on
this move everybody's well intended to try to make the to make the best move at this time as far as who the appropriate Authority uh you know uh answers to here I I I even though we're in at odds on it we all are well intended here again I want to leave it as it is those who
don't feel you know they have strong opinions about it but I thought it was a really good idea to hear public comment that's why I move forward not because I'm for the change in the ordinance I'm for hearing the public comments yeah I don't even think I don't even think you should have got this second I don't even think you should have passed it
tonight for what reason I I I'm still I'm perplexed I was hoping public comment might change some Minds you should had the public comment first thank you thank you Albert thank you anyone else out in there well you you're right is this his first three
minutes wait no you're getting one minute all right uh one question uh Charles Rance mington two questions or question and comment um can you share with me who you spoke to at the chief Association or is that confidential I'll tell you that it was uh what's his name
Chief uh what's his name Ray Ray hucka from South uh South Brunswick Matt Matt oh all right don't forget it you can call and ask do all right I'll call and ask I'll find out your comment about this is just temporary till we get on a strong
Foundation there's nothing in five 6325 that puts a limit on you so don't say that that oh use it as a foundation if you want to use it for a foundation put it in the ordinance thank you good call out good call out if anybody on
Zoom would like to make a public comment please raise your hand now Donna F would like to make a comment Donna can you hear us go ahead yeah I can hear you U could you hear me now yep
yes yeah um STNA fuchi and Sterling um I've been listening to all of this and I do have to agree with the fact that there is nothing you know obviously stated that this is temporary uh I realize Aubrey is new to all of this but
most of us are not um this has been going on for a long time I don't feel that putting committee committee members in place to oversee the police department is going
to be the answer not even in the short term um and if obviously if there's not some kind of a crisis within the police department right now I don't realiz I don't understand the push um to have this done right
away um I've had you know many dealings with the police department for various things they've always been you know above board on Point can't say that I've really you know seen any problems we've had enough
of divisiveness of the town over the past two years over the chaos over the previous Chief um we need to start mending fences a little bit here I agree with the fact
that you're you know moving forward with the chief's Association who I think could probably give you great guidance and how to handle this from here on I'm it's my personal belief that we have people on the department right now who
would probably make great Chief you know a great Chief um for the town and um I think that that's the most important thing to move forward right now is to is to get you know working seriously with the chief's Association
to you know find out what type of guidance we need what kind of you know possible changes there may be needed or some or you know some other Stu but you know I'm glad we're not going back to another public safety director I think that would be a waste of money at this point
um and basically that's that's my opinion it's the opinion of a lot of people that I speak with you know we need to get a chief back on board um to complete the town at this point and I I like I said I don't see any
immediate need to put you know committee men you know in charge of the police department thank you Donna Donna thank you and um thank you I don't think anyone's saying that there's not expertise in the police department I
just want to be clear on that I think the police department is very is that you know there's a lot of expertise there I think what we've heard um in call outs from the team is there's opportunity for us to
have career pathing career growth Clarity to to um careers and I don't think anyone here is saying that there's you know there's not expertise there we're trying to bring in some of those needed expertise from the Chiefs
Association and Clarity there so that there is career mapping and pathing and goals and all of that to better and to answer some of the call outs that we got from the police department so I think that's you know that's part of the rationale um also upon speaking with
legal counsel um because I do agree with the call out that you know if it's temporary it should say that I I do agree with everyone that made that call out um so the recommendation is to not necessarily put a time frame on it but we would um heard we would consider putting in you know based on what the
legal parameters are whatever the you legal ease is for that um to reconsider to put in reconsidering or readdressing this um possibly at you know reorg in in 2026 or whatever legal council um advises us to put in because I think
that that is a fair call out from the public in terms of of making it more definitive for um the temporary piece of it the second meing at the second reading the second meing oh I would do yes thank you also upon talking to legal counsel um I won't be here for the next
meeting because I will be in DC with my daughter for some Congressional meetings so I won't be here for the next meeting which is part of the reason why we had some executive sessions and things like that to be able to move things forward more quickly so from a vote perspective it won't
be it would it'll be even depending on how it goes it would be um even so that's where I just wanted to call that out that I won't be here so i' would like Jack to weigh in on what's the best course of action I suggest you make a motion to reconsider the introduction of the
ordinance to add that language which I don't think changes it substantively that you consider it at the January 2026 reorganization meeting and also changing the second reading date yeah but we would need all five here to vote on that so I would motion that we don't meet
again on this until the first meeting in March I know I hate delaying things because you know me I don't on the next meeting I don't like delaying things I'm just saying I think the next meeting is when we should be voting on it well here's the question then in the interim then is we just make Randy the
appropriate Authority in the interim because some isn't that how it is now no technically there's none NOP but it's set by ording oh it is yeah okay it's in the that's where we have this ordinance or do we do a special Mee inter can we do another not that anybody wants another special meeting could we do another special meeting I'm just I don't
know just continues until we vote yeah so in the interim Randy just continue to do it correct and then yeah we'll vote on it whatever the first meeting in March it's not officially the appropriate Authority but it be de facto appropriate Authority so are we making a motion to add the
language for reconsideration for timeline well well no there I think there's two things that you need to discuss and decide when's the vote one when is going to be the public hearing second reading it's going
to be March 12th and do they have to make a motion or anything or can I just change the um sorry date I think I think we should keep it for February 26th um and I also
think they should vote to add the provision that it be reconsidered do they have to vote on a motion to change the public hearing date yes because it was introduced with the public hearing date of February 26 okay so I think they could be
combined I think we so motion to change the public hearing date of ordinance does 5632 to March 12th 2025 and to add
language um to reconsider the appropriate Authority at the at the reorg 2026 reorg yes cuz I can't vote from the can you
can't vote you have to be here so does anyone want to make that motion so moved is there a second second committee man lavender yes committee woman rer Eline yes committeeman verza no Deputy Mayor Pia
yes mayor dorsy no pass thank you gentlemen okay so I will entertain a motion to adjourn is anybody online anybody else on Zoom would like to make a public comment please raise
your hand now don't see anyone mayor thank you I want you to uh go into exec with no further action further action be possible further action oh sorry yeah but that's it yes so moved all in favor I is good night everybody Happy
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