professional we're starting we are on the air okay what' you say i hereby declare the zoning board of adjustment um of Long Hill Township call to order at um 7:33 uh on April 15
2025 uh call to order and statement of compliance adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by posting a copy of the public meeting dates on the municipal bulletin board by sending a copy to the echo sentinel and by filing a copy with the municipal clerk standard
board procedures any meeting/hering conducted by the board is a quasi judicial proceeding any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision a decorum appropriate to a judicial meeting must be maintained at all times
meeting cutoff announcement is made that as a matter of procedure it is the intention of the zoning board of adjustment not to continue any matter past 10:30 p.m at any regular or special meeting/hering of the board unless a motion is passed by the members then present to extend the meeting/hering to
a later specified cutoff time electronic devices all in attendance are asked to mute their phones uh or any other electronic devices to um as to not um interrupt the proceeding so
everybody got their little phones out and turn down the volume uh pledge of allegiance would you please lead us Tom gladly allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh roll call yes mr aronio here mr geianus is currently absent mr rosenberg is excused this evening mr watts here mr zedznney here mr white is
currently absent uh Vice Chairman Groskoff present chairman correct yes chairman we have a quorum yes thank you okay now first uh matter of business is I understand that the bulk variance variance for block
105 03 lot 3 zone R40 Laurel Avenue application number 2550 2Z michael Definis applicant is requesting relief for imperous coverage and structure structures constructed without permits i understand that's being carried to June 17
2025 uh what's the reason for that um they are looking to hire additional professionals to testify okay good that makes our job easier okay do I hear a motion to carry that real quick yeah go ahead yeah so um Well I could somebody could make the motion still do that but
go ahead oh either way um just Okay all right i I'm already talking so I'll keep going so there may be an issue with the notice on this i I did review it it everything was published on time the content was good we believe it was sent to everybody on the 200 foot list there may be three people they didn't notice
already we're still trying to confirm that with their attorney okay so if you know I'm missing three receipts for the 200 foot list so clearing that issue up it should be we we can still move it to June 17th providing they comply with those uh notices okay okay so no further
notice except those three if if needed right okay all right do I have a motion to move it to June 17th 2025 i'll make that motion second okay all in favor i I Okay move all right the next one is a
bulk variance block 10503 lot 3 zone R2 439 Mercer Street Sterling uh application number 25-04Z Salvatore Savvada
uh applicant is requesting relief for impervious coverage overage sorry you can have a seat mr chairman real quick while the uh the applicant's getting situated I'll just point out I did review his notice i deem it to be sufficient both to its content and kindness of service uh sent to
owners of property within 200 feet on April 2nd by certified mail and then also published in the Echo Sentinel on April 3rd so the board has jurisdiction here and decide the case in my humble legal opinion thank you thank you very much so um I also want to make an observation i don't see any public but
in case somebody walks in in the meantime I will let them ask questions but right now there is no public out there um okay uh would you introduce yourself to us mr oh yeah first uh after you do that you have to be sworn in i got to swear
you in oh okay show whatever you like you didn't swear at them yet Chris not yet no okay this is a quasi judicial proceeding so sort of like a court case we got to swear you in as well as our board professionals if all three of you could raise your right hands for me there you go do all three of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth so
help God i do great uh please talk into the mic because it has to record can you hear okay yes so yeah my wife and I moved in in 2016 after purchasing the home in 2015 uh we've done renovations we've done we've done a lot of renovations all of them permitted um and
I guess when we did the garage extension we filed for a permit we had architect plans the uh architect that we hired um he was also he was not the general contractor for the project but he we submitted the plans and we got
them approved and we built um more recently we've had some other permitted work since then we've done we're doing a playroom for our kids uh my six-month old and my 2-year-old and in the process of submitting permits for the playroom
uh there was an issue with lot coverage like we had a we were requested uh a survey which we submitted and then I guess the lock coverage came back at about 24% i was my understanding was 18.9% so uh hold the mic closer oh I'm
sorry yeah so so we're here now okay um just what exactly put you over so it's a combination of the driveway and the uh garage extension the garage extension is about I think it's about
1,000 square ft more or less this threec car garage and a little bit extension piece and that's what you put on that's Yeah that's what the permitted work was and then the driveway to so that you could access the driveway the new garage that extended to it um and you had
stated that initially uh a calculation was done that you thought put you at a less uh a lesser 18.9% I think if I remember precisely yeah and then when it was redone for this latest uh well the survey wasn't done for this work because this work we did now was all interior
work okay but a survey was requested when we submitted application and at that time you found the discrepancy correct so I think we're back my next question would be is there anything was the garage is there anything at all that you could remove on your property i'm not saying there is or isn't just the
driveway i mean no all right i I I'm not asking you to remove things that you absolutely need yeah uh quite often in these applications we have a shed or we have a unused area of cement of some sort not usually on a newer house like this but I'm just
asking because normally we try to balance off and see if there's something can be removed to lower it slightly but in your opinion is there I mean we use it we use the patio we use the patio we use the driveway okay so there's no extraneous parts of this
property that are impervious that you could remove no okay well I'm just asking because that's one of the things we normally want to make sure that you know if there's a old pad for a for a shed or something out there that you know is is there but can I ask you a
question on that sure talking about so when was the garage built before CO I think May 2018 2019 was not part of the 2020 construction is something in the file i think it says it was done in 2000 in 2020 right is did
I see something here on that yes you did was there two phases or more than one phase thank you that's so much stuff done we've we had we had a bathroom put into our bonus room first then we had the the garage done then we had a um a builco door put
in so this is all different times these are all different different phases okay so when you built the garage did you have any professionals on site when you did that like yeah I didn't build it myself it was all contractors architect did they take out permits and everything
and the permits didn't show go ahead uh good questions Mr ronio thank you yep if they swear or sorry do you swear referring to the testimony you're about to provide with the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth so hope you got it yes please proceed thanks um in this particular case and a lot of time
what happens is when construction is is or additions are being done the zoning officer will give a an approval and it goes to construction if the zoning officer at the time thinks that they're very close to their
allowable impervious coverage nine out of 10en times uh we ask for an asbuilt before a certificate of occupancy is issued therefore we can confirm that the plans came in at the proposed in this particular situation when they applied
for the playroom we noticed that no CO was ever issued for the original the construction of the garage so at that time is when we asked for the asbuilt survey and here we are okay the the reason why I'm asking is it's a very nice looking project you did with your
garage and your driveway it's beautiful thank you but I think if if you were before this board as you should have been during that phase there would have been things that could have been done to I guess mitigate the lot coverage and part of that would have been not to have this nice beautiful sweeping driveway go across the front of the house maybe just
go right into the garage the driveway that portion is original to the house the only the only part of the driveway you added just was to access the garage the circular portion was was already there when we built but what year was that built it wasn't that much 2001 or something like that yeah the mares built
that what what I'm saying is it's easier the first time around and like I said that's it put both of it all puts you in a bad spot too because now you have to come here and say like this is what was done without my knowledge and that's what I'm saying that's the reason why I want to know when the garage was
built that that was the reason and what was done about lock coverage at the time but apparently wasn't looked into well we we submitted our plans and as far as I mean right I'm not a I'm not a contractor i'm not Right we just Yeah we just heard from our our board
professional that that's what happened um I have a question about the quote breezeway on this photograph did you take these photos my wife did yeah okay well one of your people okay somebody just My kids are too young to take no no I know but
either you or your wife yeah what's in between the garage and the house looks like it's enclosed yeah it's not It's never been a breezeway the U surveyor wrote the wrong things on the Okay so that's not a breezeway okay so it's actually almost an attach it's an attached story it's always been completely attached yeah that was one of
the things that we uh were questioning because it said breezeway on the uh Okay yeah the the original the original dwelling had a garage on the end of it yeah my current playroom your current
playroom that was part of the It was a twocar garage it was under the house it was in attached attach yeah it was Can I step up and I'll show you what it Sure and show you the picture sure do you have a picture of it no you could i think you should yeah in the
application so this is the playroom no this is the house let's see let's keep going right so that was the original garage this This right here was the original correct this was the original garage and then there's a connection piece here okay facing the sideyard okay yeah I
know i know facing the way where the car is parked where the loop roof steps down a little bit is that where Yeah the original garage the um windows around the corner so it was they weren't facing the street it was facing the sideyard got it and then we made it like a hockey
stick so that the new garage would would face the street i see um I think it's this any other questions board members go ahead how old is the driveway
the driveway was repaved after we did the new garage but the majority of it is is original to the house so 2001 when the house was built oh but it was paved after 20 we repaved it because the portion of the driveway that accesses
the new garage there there was nothing there so you repaved the whole thing at the time rep i misunderstood that earlier okay repaved the entire curve that goes in front of the house correct it was paved first you just re you just repaved it to Okay yeah actually paved over it they left the existing
foundation it wasn't like stone or dirt or anything no it was always always think so but okay thank you so part of where the new garage was was was um uh driveway at one point because you had to have driveway so there was like a pad in front of the old garage yeah so the the
majority of the garage was built on that pad right okay so that was already impervious we had that correct okay do you use I I noticed the car driveway varies in width is it some parts of it are two cars wide and some parts of it are one car wide yeah
it's one car wide maybe like the on the left side like the last third 40% left side looking at the house huh left side looking at the house correct looking from the street yeah and in front of the house do you park more than one car or
do you just use this typic so when we're doing work in the house like we are now they use our garage as like the staging area so we park all three cars but typically we park our cars inside the garage i don't think the mic's working am I Is it too far oh no the idea just
Yeah put it closer in in front of the house yeah so we have three cars so typically we use the garage but if for some reason we can't then we park in front of the house sorry what What happens inside the garage there's staging for Well for example like the playroom was being built over the last whatever many months after work is done
then you can park in the driveway yeah then we park in the garage again so you wouldn't need to park three cars in front of the house once the work is done no you know what it's mostly used for by the delivery truck drivers and things like when we have an Amazon package if we have a car parked they can they can
pass by and complete the loop that's it's actually on Google Maps it's indicated as a public road so sometimes we have strangers making U-turns through our garage but which I don't love but it's I guess it's public service signs no U-turns
um it just seems like it's wider in certain areas that obviously allow Amazon trucks to drive around it which would make it as wide as a road but it's a driveway so I guess my question would be does it have to be that wide in the front and if there was any portion of that driveway that wasn't regularly used
by an Amazon driver could it possibly be made i mean if I knew I had a coverage issue I that when we repaved it we would have done it very differently but you know we knew we spent $30,000 to repave it thinking that we didn't have a
coverage issue all right do you have any um water runoff issues on your property i mean does anybody uh do you notice any water uh running off your property onto someone else's or No cuz my neighbors are far away we all have we all have
about an acre there actually the people across street have a lot more okay um and we don't have we don't have drainage like the rest of Sterling we just have like a pipe that sticks out of the ground and it just goes into into one of the tributaries so one of the concerns we always have with coverage is water
runoff mhm and your your property slopes towards the street too correct correct unimproved right then that north side towards towards the nursery and everything else is the more natural unimproved side right so it's kind of already promoting positive drainage in the right direction right so well I was
going to ask you next but I was going to say where does your where do your leaders and everything else run to when you did your construction did you put sepage pits in and stuff like that yeah every everything has dry wells everything goes there yeah i mean house goes there the new and old well we when
we did the garage we did You can't nod your head you have to say when we did the garage we did another dry well honestly I don't know where the dry well is for the original leaders we didn't put them in but they're not exposed they're They're going to the ground okay well that's when I So you're taking
up all the oneoff from your roof and the leaders and everything you're going to take it up somewhere right well yeah so we can I'll let you guys go but Yeah yeah go ahead go ahead okay so um I was able to
obtain 2013 survey from Murphy and Hollows that is referenced in the the survey that was submitted the DD survey that was submitted um so you have a good comparison going back about 12 years to
prior to their purchase um the and then looking at aerials you track similar to the testimony you know improvements would have started somewhere around August 2016 to May 2018
and it kind of as I assume as you purchased the property and then started investing in pulling permits for some of these improvements right the renovations in the home um and if we compare those two surveys the driveway
is substantially the same i'd say we see a little bit of widening like for example in the front where we were just discussing the the larger width was there at the point where you would have somebody coming to your front door maybe
parking there as a guest short term and somebody else having the ability to go around them right and then functionally it's still narrowed down mhm most of that is very consistent with what what you see on the current survey um the exception would be a little bit of kind of straightening of the driveway coming
into the new garage which I find appropriate i don't think the driveway when repaved was was done so to speak with your elbows out as wide as possible it it's just a little bit of straightening the edges and things
um and to that extent the garage was on top of existing impervious yes uh so the substantial difference is the rear patio so the the rear patio back with the
prior owners uh is about 30% of the size of the brick and pa patios and walks that are then combined around both sides of the home and that seems to be comparable to the percent over that's the 4.6% so that's roughly 19,000 square
feet those total pavers are shown on the plan as 21 almost 2,200 but I think some of that includes the PA around the garage because you replaced the garage pa where was asphalt the garage has
pavers around and the walkway from Right so that's all kind of comparable i think we're right in that same ballpark of essentially the property was probably really right at 20% previously and maybe the early surveys showed a
more liberal 18.9ish right um it would have been really the improvement of the rear patio that would have would have been the uh liberties taken by the contractor when does it make sense that if they put the
garage like you said in area that was already you know impervious coverage that it would make sense that you wouldn't really test for lot coverage as much as you would if they put it on lawn right right like that if that's just a swap out on top of existing be how they got there with that right so I think you
know the improvement that's the overage is the difference in the patio because really everything else is kind of that's good good and a little bit of just kind of you know thickness of line weight so to speak when you draw it out um knowing that you with the testimony we just heard that there's multiple
drywalls already on the property that specifically the frame garage being the newer construction is discharging to a dry well mhm then I have I have less concern for my comments 3435 which
discuss that we're talking about approximately 15,000 to 18,000 well 33 3435 of that increased impervious for the variance knowing that there were accommodations put in place for the garage when it went up that would
essentially be offsetting the comparable area of the patio right the the garage went in on top of impervious so it didn't need dry wells but if those drywalls were put in for the size of that roof it's comparable to the patio area that we're discussing now is the
the overage the difference on the site plan mhm are you still saying that he needs So I don't think I don't think we need to satisfy which 33 34 35 separately i think they're already from that testimony they were addressed
almost preemptively what about 36 uh 36 goes away as well because it's related and then um 37 so our code our code requires that roof gutters
that go to a seepage pit have some kind of leaf separation uh filter system right screens on top of the on top of the gutters so we would recommend that those whatever is going draining towards seepage pits be retrofitted on the
gutters with we uh either like a leaf separation device we have like the aluminum kind of over the top of the gutter yeah yeah okay so then and then that satisfied gutter guards yes exactly we have gutter guards have those yes you know we did that just to prevent
like ice damning and the and the uh that's better than than the magnetic so our code we could make this recommendation of a small edit our code does say like gutter screens and louvers are not acceptable that's the old 1980s version of kind of screen wire mesh that
got clogged like the current modern ones that you see the commercials for even better right that are those are a full system that go in and with your gutters so what you've put in would satisfy 37 as well um so really just being
cognizant that if you have drywalls you should determine where they are on your property so you can maintain them in the future okay um and the storm water mitigation is already was somewhat preemptive so to speak to the to the application was part of the
considerations in in the improve in the improvements that they were in good faith getting permits for it's just that when they went for the you know the as built they we saw how much the elbows kind of came out by the contractor any other
questions do you have some comments i not really actually i was just double-checking Joe's math and he was correct oh okay um just uh he is correct that really the patio I the 18.9% may not have been an error I guess is is my
point it it just it could be that the patio didn't and you know people maybe weren't thinking because it's not a building yeah I'm going to be honest i forgot about the patio that was the first thing when we moved into the house i mean they were on the plans when my architect did the garage like you can
see them like on the site plan they are there it just you know it just didn't occur to me so I think that is sort of what what flipped it tipped them over okay so yeah and that that improvement is appropriately scaled to the lot and
right it's not overly it's not an excessive amenity space in your rear yard it's not the whole rear this neighborhood so you know I think and it's like a you say like it's a 1acre property too yes yeah like 0.96 real close an acre
and I think and there's some depth to the lots that are to your rear you know they're not moving on that property right it's not just all running onto the street or somebody else's yard yes if the board were to look favorably I think you could look at it as perhaps a C2
flexible seed where you know they are they have provided this mitigation right you know so I mean it's not the ideal situation obviously you want things to conform but they've done per our engineer everything they need more maybe
even more than they they needed to so I mean quite literally what I was recommending was a discussion about sending that garage into a dry well because it was the right size for the offset of the patio so if it's already been done Yeah right yeah makes sense um
Okay so we've determined that the there is very little negative effect on any of the property around it there's ne there's a very little negative effect on the uh on the property itself because of the dry wells and all the other uh
things that were done so that takes care of the negative criteria um any other questions can I just ask Joe quick so Joe just as far as him complying with your memo we were to approve this um 3.1 is already satisfied because he
submitted that survey correct 3.5 is satisfied right uh yes so 31 satisfied 32 is moreformational right setting the stage 345 and six are
uh are satisfied as part of the mitigation 37 well as well because that was confirmed by stipulating that they're already installed okay so then 38 3 and 9 really doesn't matter because everything's stabilized y So there's no
active construction you're just looking to get the cos that you didn't have previously okay okay and 41 is as I said not required so yeah so 38's the only one that really lasts from my letter as just being cognizant that they have dry wells and they need to maintain them
okay would he need any other approvals from the township just so he knows in case he gets a pay wall that would you know um no i think they're good okay pretty sure they're good joe for you you're just confident that whatever they say they
have is is built is to your standards and it's we don't have to inspect it or look at it you you don't have a plan or anything do you okay with that don't I mean I can I I didn't I didn't know about the driver so I didn't go checking to see if we had something on file for it but I mean it
should be I remember the um the leaders are going down they're not discharging at grade they're discharging underground so they're going yeah that's enough to know that there's something under there is enough okay yeah and it would have been approp it it would have been a pre fab system that's going to be able to
easily accommodate the garage so those standard size kind drywall units are going to be able to pipe running to the street somewhere correct okay it was a It was like a cement tube a cylindrical cement tube it was I think it was about 4 feet and the whole thing was about So that's going to be deep
under there that's going to be able to accommodate the drive the garage roof area so really just 3.8 got to comply with otherwise there's really no other Yep conditions okay correct i'm just I'm not looking at the standards there uh what's 3.8 uh 3.8 It was just um
maintaining to recognize that you're responsible for maintaining your your storm water systems so that would be your roof leaders your right in this case the roof leaders the screens on your gutters which you already have conveyance and the dry well so just you
know dry wells over time even with those even with the screens on them you will collect debris and other things how do you know is it it backs up at the leader yeah if if you start seeing your roofs overflowing obviously your your screens start getting clogged okay but
then if you see at the at the down spout a lot of times as it goes underground there will be an emergency overflow so there'll be like a Y connection there and so if that's clogged underground that water will just rush out on grade if you start seeing that you're going to
want to um basically just rotorooer or mount and do it with your own Ryobi from Home Depot or you can call somebody in to do it when they're doing you know gutter cleaning okay and then that'll that'll be able there should be a port on top of the drywall somewhere
there should be a small cap somewhere in your yard okay that you should be you would be able to open that and then you know remove anything that's accumulating there if necessary understood uh just for the record no other people from the public has shown up so I'm closing it to
any public because there are none okay um any other questions from the board members okay uh is there anything you want to say before we deliberate no I think it was all covered thank you okay
um Gary would you like to start sure i got here late so I got here late so you didn't miss anything i didn't miss anything except for trying to understand what brought you here um but that mic because we have a flexible C variance
which seems to be um reviewed by our professionals and no one's complaining about it so I'll be in favor of this randall you already have what we were probably going to ask you to do um if
you didn't so I don't really see what else there is to really comment on that Jerry uh I concur what Randall said i think you've already done what our our professional our engineer would have asked you to do we would have all
supported him on that so I don't think there's anything more that you need to do alex I just want to applaud the applicant for doing the right thing and crossing all the tees and dotting all the eyes oh thank you because you know down the road this could come back to haunt you and you're correcting that
yeah i know my wife doesn't like to hear that one day when we sell the place because she wants to be there forever but but one day when you sell the place it's better to have these things taken care of oh definitely tom uh I concur with my colleagues especially with Alex thank you for going through the process and someday you might want to do an
extension and you don't want us you don't want to come to us then and say "Well I didn't talk to you before." So it's great that you did it and thank you very much it's good for the tax as long as I have for everyone in case one of my boys old enough to ask for a pool and we want to do that that's count towards impervious coverage yes it does
unfortunately even though it collects water but it's also a hardship if you have a little kid but it has nothing to do with zoning hardships it's just hardship on the family maybe maybe we'll have a community who knows i feel the same way as my colleagues i think you've you know
you've complied with every structural engineering water uh mitigation um procedure that you could you have the dry wells you have the covers on your gutter um it's a uh I it's a question of
the patio being a little bigger and more useful it doesn't negatively impact on any neighbors uh you've taken care of the water runoff it's uh it's a positive to the neighborhood it's a nice house uh you've made it approved on it uh so I
would be in favor of it you want to lead yeah a couple couple things Mr chairman uh first off just so uh I'm sorry Mr sav my apolog favorably on your application any other improvements you put on the property you said the pool obviously we
discussed anything else you probably have to come back for further variance rel um that's number one number two um so just so the board so everybody knows what's being requested here one variance for lot coverage 20% is the maximum permitted in the zone here which is the
R2 zone and uh the applicant seeking relief for a 24.6% lock coverage ratio the only condition I noted would be uh comment 3.8 and Joe's memo was from April 10th 2025 that said you would be responsible for ensuring the proposed storm water management system or the existing management system is regularly
and effectively maintained without negative impact of downstream properties um that we think it's really it as far as conditions go um the other thing and I hate to have to be the the bearer of bad news so to speak but board member Gino did come in late so I would advise that you just don't vote on the application because he did miss a couple
minutes of testimony sure his participation there's no problem with that it's just you know all right that's fine yeah horrible that's why all right um do I hear a motion to approve this uh I'll make that motion okay do I hear a second i'll second okay
roll call mr arono yes mr mr zadznney yes mr watts yes vice Chairman Groskov yes chairman Gret yes motion carries congratulations thank you very much so much and then I wait in the mail for documentation yes uh Deb will explain
it'll be probably about a month before the document's ready so next and at a meeting in the future we'll do the resolution i'll memorialize the written document and then I'll just email it all right thank you so much thank you again for coming thank you very much best of
luck to the family enjoy your uh patio thank you can he get me like easy pass fast lane for his pool yeah right no we don't do we don't do that for the for the audience uh Deb um we had a uh request
from the uh planning board chairman to potentially tell him about issues that we come up with occasionally as opposed to waiting for our yearly report is there any way we could I know a lot of times during these applications we think okay this is something that the planning
board should look at as a ordinance change or a master plan issue uh one of them was generators did you figure which one that was that we were talking you know and I was going to respond back at this time Mr share respectfully the board can't until we do the annual
report i would request that we wait because okay right now our planner is bombarded with affordable housing okay no we have to get through the affordable housing i'm not saying now i'm saying going forward yes if we have an application and we all have a consensus
that is something that should be looked at oh yeah we can send I that that's what I'm saying in the future i'm saying that we make a note of it and send that up immediately along with our annual report which would include that because January generators are one of the parts of the code that quite frankly I don't
really have an issue with no I understand but I mean that he brought up the issue set back from the home but I found something that I have to talk to you about because I don't I think I think there's a caveat that maybe unless I think maybe you missed it or I
missed it because there's one section I'll show you in a minute okay for for another example was the mother-in-law suite that we were hammering back and forth what do we call it did we call it a relative and we had it so that would have been a good thing to just kick over right but but for right now you know I
definitely think you know we can put thoughts together and keep want to send it to the planning board until we get through the Exactly we can measure and add it to keep it running the cover letter that goes with the annual report but I mean if we have something that we
bring up we could just send it up at at our last meeting we had this issue we'll we'll address it further at the for the you know annual report but you may want to look at that something like that you can go to the ordinance review committee without Yeah right be formal absolutely all right um so what's coming up give us
a little run so okay so for May we have right now um I believe we have two applications scheduled for May 6th and the Wendy's uh resolution um I had thought perhaps that maybe we'd have the annual report but I
think we're going to bump that to May 20th because because of the affordable housing because we are really at What are the two applications uh 24 Vickiy's Place uh which is a an impervious coverage okay and 2011
Hickory Tavern which is um I'm not really sure Liz you could have I mean is are they going for a use variance or they're going for a certificate of nonconformity i always say double double so it's basically the property exists
with multiple primary residents right like the one on Long Road that we Myersville special yeah they're all Yeah those really we've been making them get you experiences no that's history but many of many of those lots the old farm
many many of those original lots from like a hundred years ago Yeah were purchased in bunches and consolidated and the family stayed on the plot with generations and built other dwellings multiple houses so many of them could
probably be um certificates on existing non-conformities but the paperwork may not be there so they may be in the alternative asking us for variance relief or making lot line adjustments well I I'll have our attorney do research on that and our planner yeah
yeah yolanta always sort of recommended they just come in and get a variance probably sounds like the path of I can give you the file map from the early 1900s if you if I can read um Okay so it sounds like um maybe incorporate the so and we're definitely
in draft mode right now working on the draft of the annual report okay great yeah so the professionals have it and uh yeah and but you know right now affordable housing needs the front seat do we have any devariances coming up any cases that'll require more of us being here
not not right now no oh okay good all right good so this actually this is the first year in a long time you guys are kind of light on the defenses good sorry all right well do I hear a motion to adjurnn so move didn't you have something oh I do sorry what else you
need sorry got it thank you for not adjourning real quick so um 131 rolling hill drive rolling hill styleman yeah um which was the uhman application it was for a pool Yeah
reasonably sized you know pool improvement in the rear yard it had uh it's being worked on right now yes it had um a storm water mitigation proposed with it for infiltration in the rear yard uh it backs up to the county uh
open space parkland to the river it's like a path or something you're going to try to capture water from a walkway or something so they No so So the uh the system basically is a system of drains around the around the pool and then it all goes in for infiltration um we had concerns during the application about
the flood plane where it was located knowing it was close that there was probably going to be some water table issues they've tested in the field at the location um found poor draining soils and a high water table and then we also did alternative locations in the
front yard and the sideyard and they found the same results so we don't have an opportunity to do mitigation in another location for that impervious coverage okay um for my engineering judgment my recommendation to them is that we're
going to collect it run it more in a simplified trench with a perforated drain that daylights to the rear oh so daylights into the county park and into the flood plane okay it's not going to impact any of the neighbors but there won't be that basically that resolution compliance condition is not going to be
satisfied i'm going to administratively address the record on the board application and just put something to the file so that so that we know that there isn't a dry well on that property i wanted I wanted to recognize it for the board to Sure thank you for that so what you're proposing is that with that
pipe a lot of it will drain into the property whatever doesn't will go onto the Yeah so whenever we're in a dry condition and that the soils can absorb some of that water it will but in seasonal high events right it won't be able to so it's just going to it's just
going to act like a normal pipe okay but when we're in dry conditions it'll actually the perforation will allow for some infiltration basically best best case scenario best effort right um be a stone bed in there yeah it'll be like a just a basically a stone trench with
pipe and just pull the water that way yep and just let it get and that's okay to do that push it towards the county yeah it's gonna go to the county property behind us Parkland Conservation it's wooded it's flood plane um if if we were in a wet condition that property and some of their neighbors may already
be impacted by the flood plane encroaching on them so that we really wouldn't be worried about I've never I've never seen the the water get that yeah we wouldn't be worrying about 1,000 square feet of the new patio area um so what do we have to do then so nothing i just wanted to note it for you guys
while we were on public session so that in case you know Well thank you for tackling that issue and coming up with and you know basically it becomes like to put it in is kind of just cost generative for no reason so the applicants spent some extra money
on testing soils throughout the property we're basically just kind of offsetting that cost of the improvement and hopefully saving them a little bit from the cost of installing right now that's not necessary sounds like a field change to me yeah yeah right exactly back to the board for anything so I'm just going to put something in the file so that if
anybody ever buys the property comes in for any other future application we don't think there's a drywall like he knows there is right we don't think there well there must have been go find it there wasn't right okay great terrific just so I understand the process though when an engineer doesn't
you know in public session come up and tell us all about it but put some note in the file is that the way that it's done or does it have to be signed off i mean this is this is an administrative Yeah field change basically it's my engineering judgment as township engineer yeah and we leave it if you
didn't have me in the solution right we probably said find the solution that works for that we always leave it up to him anyway yeah yeah well yeah so they had they had a design in front of us i told you look into this we we discussed whether or not it was going to work and it seemed like it was unnecessary and I
said "Well that's our code." So we could either wave him of it or we can just have him put in what he was planning to do but I do have concerns that we're going to get bad soil tests and then I'll deal with it well I'm just telling you I dealt with it right yeah thank you for that yeah so that little bit of
transparency for you guys while I'm in both seats while I sit here and I sit down the hall opportunity to be transparent sits in both seats easier okay now do I hear a motion to adjurnn i'll make it second do I hear
a second do I hear a second all in favor i we're We're turned at