the first time he's been an >> Hereby call the zoning board of adjustment meeting regular meeting and hearing of October 7th, 2025 to order at 7:37. Uh call to order and statement of compliance. Adequate notice of this
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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Now, we have the distinct pleasure of swearing into office our
newest member, Theodor Sowski. >> Sorke. Sorry. S I knew I get that. tongue twister. >> The alternate number two and uh his his term expires on December 31st 220 2 2028 and I'm sure you'll be with us longer
than that. >> So would you like to do the honors? >> Yes, Mr. Chairman with with Gusto. Um Mr. Zorke, you already have the oath of office in front of you, but I if you could please repeat after me, I appreciate it. So, I, Theodore Zorke, >> I, Theodore Zorke, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution of the United States in the state of New Jersey. >> That I will support the Constitution of the United States and the State of New Jersey. >> That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and to the governments established in the United States and in this state. >> That I will bear truth and allegiance to the same and to the governments
established in the United States and in this state. >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people. and that I will faithfully, impartially, and justly perform all duties of the office of alternate number two board member. >> And that I will faithfully, impartially, and justly perform all duties of the
office as alternate to board member of the zoning board. >> of adjustment of the township of Long Hill >> of adjustment of the township of Longill >> according to the best of my ability. according to the best of my ability. >> And that I will not use my office to grant preferential treatment. >> And that I will not use my office to
grant preferential treatment. >> Nor to seek personal gain, favor, or advantage. >> Nor to seek personal gain, favor, or advantage. >> Not available to the general public. >> Not available to the general public. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Welcome aboard, sir. >> Congratulations. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> I'll just get your signature before we leave tonight. Right. >> Roll call. >> Yes. And I did I just heard from uh Mr. Watts and he's stuck at work. So >> okay this evening darn work.
>> I know. Excuse. So Mr. Aronio >> yes here. >> Mr. Gianakis >> here. >> Mr. Rosenberg >> here. >> Mr. Was excuse this evening. Mr. Zadznney >> here. >> Mr. White >> here. >> Mr. Zorke >> here. >> Say it right. >> Yep. >> Okay.
>> Vice Chairman Groskoff >> here. >> Chairman Gret >> here. >> Chairman we have a quorum. >> Thank you. Okay. So there's no meeting minutes. So we go right to the resolutions. We have three resolutions. We have the first resolution Siri Sarah Benton and Kevin Smemedley application
number 25-09Z. Um did everybody have a chance to look at that? Um any any questions about it? Any comments? Any corrections? I I just want
to clarify the point about the uh >> the deed is going to get restricted. Is that right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. The just the this is the one where they have to report the resolution. >> I'm sorry. I have a question for Chris. Chris, I'm recused from this application. Can I stay here or should I just
>> Oh, no. You can stay. You just >> voting on the resolution. >> Okay, that's okay. >> Yeah. Okay. You just don't vote on it. >> Nor comment on >> Yeah. No comment. Right. That's why someone would want me to leave the desk. That's >> You're good, Mr. No, you don't have to exile yourself for this. All right. No other comments or
corrections or um statements. Uh could you call the role for people that are eligible >> for the the eligible people are chairman? Correct. Mr. Ganakis, Mr. Rosenberg, Mr. Watts, Mr. Zedzy, and Mr. White. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to accept this
resolution for one of those people? >> So move. >> Second. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. >> Mr. Zrazy. Yes, >> Mr. White. >> Yes, >> Mr. Janakis. >> Yes, >> Mr. Rosenberg. >> Yep, >> Mr. Watts. >> Oh, he's
>> Yeah, he's not here. >> Just going down the road. >> I know. I know. >> Chairman, correct? >> Yes. Okay, it passes. Thank you. >> Okay, so now we've got the uh one for Manuel Costa, application 25-11Z. And
>> I apologize to the board. I thought I included this in my last Apparently I forgot it. >> Okay. >> So, do you want to look at it now or if you want to take >> I've got it, but then >> got it. >> Yeah, just take a minute to look at it and Well, let's let's go down to the
next one and you can uh let's do Carrie Gary Schmidt first and we'll do that one and that way uh and we can look at the other one. So, Gary Schmidt, it's application number 25-14Z. The hearing date was September 2nd,
2025. The board action was September 2nd, 2025 and memorialization is October 7th, 2025. Any comments or corrections on those? And the people that aren't um uh eligible are Mr. O'Neal or Mr. Watts. Mr. Watts isn't here, so that's
convenient. >> So, uh any comments, corrections, or statements about it? >> I make a motion to approve. >> Okay. Second. >> I second it. >> Okay. Well, >> yes. Mr. Mr. Dwight. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Rosenberg. >> Yes. >> Mr. Zedra. >> Yes. >> Vice Chairman Groskoff. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thanks. Now, let's go back to the uh the Emanuel Costa one. This was application 25-11Z.
Hearing date September 2nd. Board action September 2nd. Memorialization October 7th. Um just flip through I don't I we I'm pretty confident in what these guys doing. The resol This has been approved by their attorney, right? Or >> correct. >> Yeah. So, yeah.
>> But both of our board professionals, >> right? Right. So, no typos. No. Okay. >> They've already fixed it. >> Oh, good. Okay. You already correct. >> Can I ask on this? >> Sure. >> From what I recall, there's going to be another approval needed at the county
level for this. Is that right? >> On this one? Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, every applicant has to go to county and state or federal, whatever after the fact, >> every application or just this? >> No, this they can come to us anytime
they want, but they can't get construction permits until they get all the Cleveland from county except >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> the whatever. Yeah. We we go first and then the other other they do the other ones second and then they come for their >> like wetlands or something,
>> right? Because of the steep slope. I thought there was something going on. Wetlands are a little bit trickier because >> depends on D but this one didn't have Joe correct for 45 long that didn't have any issues with D. >> No, >> they just need county approval.
>> Yeah. And if you look at uh condition number six on page 10 >> uh second sentence therein uh this resolution of approval specifically conditioned upon the applicant securing the approval and permits of all other agencies having jurisdiction over the proposed development. So >> all of us exactly is in all of them, but
I thought this one had something some maybe department of the county, but I don't recall >> gas line. >> Did they need it? >> They have to get it. >> There's close to the gas lines. There's something setback going on.
>> Do I have any other comments? >> I have a motion to approve this one. >> So moved. I have a second. >> Second. Okay. >> Okay. Shoff. >> Yes. >> Mr. White. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gino. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rosenberg. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Zen. >> Yes. >> Mr. German. >> Yes. >> All righty. Okay. So now continuing down the list here, we have an extension request for a bulk, I'm sorry, for block 10701,
lot 10-01, zone R3, 10, Castle Place, application number 24-21Z, Anthony Diamato, and you're here on his behalf. >> I'm here on his behalf. >> Let me get you.
>> Yeah, get a mic here. >> We can hear you. We can see you, but they got to put it on the record. >> I don't. Okay. Well, it's green, so I have to replace the batteries. >> All right. So, what what is the need here?
>> Uh, essentially, they are changing course a little bit. They're probably going to sell it to a different builder to build it out. Uh, just waiting for approvals from construction in the meantime. That's pending. uh the new builder would take over, >> but it's going to be what we approved, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, they just how to get into
>> It's just timing. It's pure timing. >> Oh, okay. All right. Uh and what's the extension that they're asking? >> One year. >> Okay. Um any qu any question? >> I'm sorry. Yeah, that's just an extension of of the variances. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Any any questions from the board about
it? Any questions from our expert? >> Okay. >> One other question. Frank, could you send a formal letter to us? Just requesting. >> Did the client do it already? >> Not really. >> Not a formal letter. I mean, the client and I have been your client and I have been going back and forth email, but nothing formal.
>> Okay. That's no problem. Sure. >> Yeah. But I wanted to get it on tonight's agenda since you were here. >> Much appreciated. No problem. >> Okay. >> On resolution for this next meeting. >> Now the mic is flashing red. >> Now it's red. Now we're ready for new batteries. >> Yeah. No, it's working. Still working.
All right. Um, so, um, who's eligible to vote on this one? >> Uh, >> I think anybody, as long as nobody's conflicted on this, anybody? >> No. >> All board members can vote on it. Sort of a separate request. >> Oh, okay. Fine. Okay. >> But we only we only need seven votes.
So, Mr. >> No. Exactly. >> Just one more clarification. >> Uh, are we taking the extension to November? >> It's a one-year extension. >> It's a one-year extension from the date of the memorialization, right? I think that's how the answer is. Yeah. >> So, a total of two years from the date
of memorialization. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'm not on the voter list either. >> Yeah. >> This is just a memorial. >> I don't know what's going on with this. >> This was the resolution that got adopted. I guess that just provided this so everybody knows the back.
>> All right. So, we'll have um stepped out for a second. We'll have >> Mr. >> Okay. Your first vote. >> Okay. All right. Thanks. Nominous phone call. All right. Go ahead. >> Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Do I hear a motion to grant the extension?
>> I'll move it. >> Second. Do I hear a second? >> Second, >> Mr. Second over there. All right. >> Yeah. Might as well stay. >> Lovely. Okay. Mr. Rono. >> Yes. >> Mr. White. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gianis. >> I didn't think I was on this one. >> You don't You didn't vote. It's a
different vote for the extension. >> You can vote for the extension. >> No one. I vote yes for the extension. Oh, Tom's coming back. >> Mr. >> Rosenberg, >> yes. >> Jesus. >> Uh, Mr. Zadznney. >> Yes. >> All right. So, do we want do you want me to Okay.
>> Yeah. >> So, uh, Mr. Zarke, >> yes. >> And chairman, correct? >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you very much. >> Said that good. >> Yes. >> You're all right. The next one we have coming
up is a bulk variance block 1070, lot 19, zone R3, 26 Hamilton Road, application number 25-13Z. Richard Armstrong, applicant proposes to construct an addition to a single family
resident. Is the applicant here? Would you like to come up and sit on the table? >> Sit at the chair closest to us. Do you want this? >> No. Give that to >> Yeah, there's only one >> actually. Put it right on the uh put it right on where he is. There you go.
Thank you, >> Mr. Chairman. I'll just point out real quick before we get going. I did review their uh their notice for this evening. Everything was properly served. Everything was >> everything checks out. So, the board is the jurisdiction here and decide the case. That's the short version. Let me swear in assuming the applicant, the two
board professionals and Mr. Holl here. All four of you raise your right hands. No one else is testifying, right, sir? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, do all four of you swear or affirm that the testimony you provided would be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? >> Okay, great. Anybody sworn? >> No. Mr. Hollows, I assume you're your uh
license is still is still valid in state of New Jersey. >> Yes. >> Okay. You're an expert. >> Actually, sir, could you uh name and address, please? Sure. You are. >> Rick Armstrong. Um, my mom's address is 26 Hamilton Road in Gillette. >> Is that where you reside or we need your
address? >> Uh, 20 uh 29 Old Hard Road, Marstown, New Jersey. >> Could you put the mic more towards you because it's not so much us that has your in the record. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Everybody's sworn. I think
Mr. Hall's qualified. So, >> yes. >> Good to go. >> All right. Um well before we hear from your expert would you just explain to us what you're doing? >> Yeah so we are putting a u an addition on my mom's house with a first floor bedroom and a bathroom just to avoid the
second floor for her >> for health reasons. >> Yep. And she's been there for uh since probably 1969 I believe >> and uh decided wants to stay in town. Okay. >> So this is the only way it's going to work. So >> we're hoping we can do what we need to
do. And I understand the only uh thing that's not in compliance is your front porch, right? >> Pretty much. Um I'll leave it to Bill Hollows, but yes, the whole property is non-conforming the existing house thing. So,
>> but the actual addition conforms to this to the side everything else, right? >> There's some Yeah, I mean, we need a variance for the setback. Yeah. The front setback >> this front setback, but not the addition itself. Yes, the addition.
>> The addition itself, too. Okay. I didn't see that in the var. Okay. >> All right. So, the addition needs it, too. All right. Okay. Uh, go ahead. You might as well. >> On sheet one of the the drawing I prepared for this application, you have
the area map. Just give you an idea. If you you're not sure where Hamilton Road is, it runs parallel to Mountain Avenue, kind of on the south side of Valley Road. And to the west of this is it's basically at the terminus of Hamilton
Road. Although there are two houses, two lots beyond the subject property, but they don't really they have the the frontage is on the end of Hamilton Road. But to the west of this property is Sunrise at Gillette townhouse and
apartment complex. And when I speak of the neighborhood, and it's really the the residential area that's on Hamilton Road, going to the north, you've got two single family
dwellings. Across the street, you've got two single family dwellings. And to the south, you've got two single family dwellings. When you go out to the 200 foot area map, you've got an office building that fronts on Valley Road. You've got a couple houses on Castle
Place. You've got uh a commercial building with a chiropractor's offices on Mountain Avenue. And you've got another townhouse project, a small one on uh Mountain Avenue.
The the the property is known as uh 26 Hamilton Road, block 10701, lot 9. It is 100 by 136.
And this is a colorized drawing of >> You want to mark that A1? >> Sheet two. >> Want to mark that A1, please? >> Yeah. And I have actually I I made >> Oh, you made a good >> No, we'll mark it A1. >> Yeah. >> So A1 is a colorized version of sheet
two of the submitted site plan set. >> I've made 11 by 17 drawings that I can pass out. >> Oh, thank you. so that you don't have to strain your eyes. Actually, there's two drawings in there. It's going to probably A1 and A3.
>> Okay. >> And what is A3? A3 is going to be proposed conditions. >> So, what is A2 again? >> Okay. I knew there were three, but [Applause] >> A1 shows the existing conditions.
Um, again, the lot is uh 136 feet wide, 100 ft deep, contains 16,320. That's out to the center line of the road because the deed goes to the center line, but when you go to the sideline of
the road, it is less than that. It is 13,600. It is in the R3 zone. It's improved with a two and a half story frame dwelling that has a covered porch.
It has a deck to the south of the building. You've got a paved area, paved parking area off of the street, enough for two cars, and you've got a shed in the southwest corner of the property.
Now, this we're in the R3 zone and we violate we're in violation of lot area, lot width, front yard set back. I mean, the the porch is 6 feet off of the
6.2 ft off of the sideline of the road and um the main house part is 13.8 8 ft off the side of the road. And A3, just to give you an idea. I think you can all see this. That's why
I didn't make a colorized version to pass around. But this is your building envelope. That green line. >> Hold on a second, Mr. Charles. So, this is What sheet is this of the plan set? >> It's It's again is sheet three. I'm sorry. Sheet two.
>> Sheet two. It's not a separate sheet. We just colorized it differently than the the first sheet. >> Okay. So, we got to mark that as a separate exhibit because it's Yeah, it's colorized. So, we'll mark that as exhibit A2. >> A2. >> Okay. So,
uh why don't we call it highlighted version of sheet two? >> So, sorry to interrupt you, but that's what the house would look like if it were conforming. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> I thought so. Let's go double check. >> Yeah, that's uh it's 10 ft wide. So, you
could probably put the shed actually the shed that we have on the property wouldn't even fit into that that building envelope. So, we're we're at a disadvantage right off the bat. We we have to be here before the board basically for anything that we would try to do with this property.
>> How do you build something on that? >> You don't. >> That's why we're here. and going to A3. >> And I'll mark it A3. >> This is colorized version of sheet of
three of submitted plans. >> Correct. >> And uh that's representative what you handed out to everybody. So it's essentially the same exhibit. We don't >> Yeah. I just thought it' be easier if you can look at it right >> from the your seats.
>> And you're removing that shed. >> Yes. The addition that we're proposing, it's a one-story addition. It fits about a little bit more than a third of that addition fits in the building envelope. The rest is is towards the front. And um
I think that Mr. Armstrong and the architect, Mr. booth did a really nice job trying to fit this fit it in. Um, it fits around the parking area. It It's offset from the house. It's plenty of distance. In fact, the addition meets
the rear yard set back meets the sideyard set back. >> Just doesn't meet the front. >> It doesn't meet the front. We're at We need 50 and we're at 38.2. So, that's >> But it's still set back more than the house. >> Yes, it is. And just back up a minute. If you looked at the original area map,
the houses on Hamilton Road all sit close to the street. So, it's not like we're making anything that's different. I think we're we're putting it in a really good place as far as the addition goes. You got plenty of air and light around this house. And, you know, it sits back from the other house sits
forward on the northerly lot and to the southerntherly side of this property. The houses sit down the hill quite a bit. And >> what year was it built? This house >> that's when you moved there, >> but it's been there for a long long time,
>> right? 100 years. It's an old house. That's what I'm trying to get. >> Yeah. >> Probably predates the zone, right? >> Oh, definitely. >> Yeah. So, that's that's kind of what I was looking for. All right. Thank you. >> And then we are going to remove the shed, which brings us into compliance
with the lot coverage. >> You know, we're we're allowed 20. Um, we will be at 19. In fact, our increase in impervious coverage with the addition and removing the shed and with the addition, it's only 377 square feet. >> Yeah, it's pretty pretty small.
>> Is that the only reason why you're removing the shed or is it there's another reason for that as well? >> Thought it would help things out. >> But we've said to other applicants, just, you know, if you need something, do it now so you don't have to come back if you find out you need it later.
Do you think you would need a shed or you don't use it anymore? >> I think we're going to eliminate the shed. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah. And the shed has this little paved area in front of it that's going to be removed also. >> So that's more lock coverage going. >> Yeah.
>> And I think this could be approved under the C1 hardship variance. >> Yeah. Because uh you know, like I said, we start out at a disadvantage because the size of our lot and really the depth is the problem here >> and where the where the existing house
is. >> Oh, you'd have to build a tiny house to exist. >> Yeah. >> How narrow is that building envelope from uh was it west to east? >> It's 10 feet. >> It's 10 feet. Okay. That's >> Wow.
Do does our planner engineer have any questions? >> No. No. I had a couple items in my letter. >> I don't know if you want to address those now. >> Yeah. No, I I will >> Okay. >> No, I will. There's a couple things in
our zoning chart that need to be corrected, right? >> And I go ahead >> done that on a separate sheet of paper in my file. And um I think there was a question where the air conditioner was going to go, >> right? Yeah. And um we're thinking of in this little al cove area um between the
addition and the house right now it would sit where in the in I'm sorry in the addition. So we would move it closer to the the rear rear of the lot basically. Um it's kind of in an area where there's the bathroom would be
not the bedroom or or the kitchen in the house. So >> and it's tucked away where it's not. >> Yes. So I don't Yeah. And and another thing again, Mr. Armstrong in the architect work, the trees are around the perimeter and so we don't we don't need
to take any trees down with this application, right? >> And it's relatively flat. I don't know that it would cause any harm to any of the neighbors, >> um, so there's no garage in this house, correct? >> There is no garage. Um but this
structure would be essentially where if there was to be a garage probably a garage would be um located seeing that it's sort of >> not all the way at the end of the driveway but it's situated somewhere >> that or you could have a detached garage. >> Yeah.
>> With a longer driveway. thing in just terms of the view of the house. It's even though I know it won't look like a garage, it'll be situated in a place where if there was a garage, a garage might have been. Okay. >> That's true. >> Most likely. >> Are they required to have a garage?
>> We do. I have that in my letter. Um but I think it's an existing nonconformity. You know, obviously as as Mr. Rono pointed out, >> it predates our zoning ordinance. It may predate >> predates. That's funny. Yeah.
>> Do we have to give them that? >> I think we I mean I put it in my letter that it was an existing non-conforming condition, but you know if you want I don't know Chris if you think it would be just sort of housekeeping to >> maybe we should >> to just say >> I mean I would agree with you is I don't
really think it's necessary but I mean >> it's up to them actually right to have it. >> Well >> they don't need it right. >> There hasn't been a garage for 100 years. But >> what's another thing? But just to um just to sort of say we're granting the
variance, you know, >> acknowledging it in case this becomes an issue some down the road. >> I was saying you just if the board is okay with this referencing in the resolution that it is an existing >> nonform and so we put it in more >> not forcing
>> and and not constructing it helps >> manage the overall lot coverage on an undersized lot. >> Exactly. And you could also point out that putting a garage will require all sorts of >> other variable >> uh setbacks because because there's the building envelope is so narrow. >> Yeah,
>> it's a little envelope. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> I have a question. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Uh what's a typical stockpile location with silk tent on all sides? I haven't seen one of I mean I know what it is but I've never seen it indicated on or
haven't >> seen. We don't need to go to soil conservation. We're less than 5,000 ft of disturbance. But we did put soil erosion notes and uh details. And this is really when you go to construct something, you try to scrape off the top soil and save it.
>> Yeah. >> And then the other material, this is going to not going to have a basement. This is a crawl space. >> Okay. >> But there will be some excavated material that would be removed from the site, but we want to use the uh top soil to back fill around the uh >> It doesn't stay there afterwards. No, it
does not. >> Okay. >> That's a temporary location. >> Throwing me off. I was like, why is it drawing like >> No, but since since the project's going to be under 5,000, it's going to be in our local jurisdiction for basically stabilization. And so providing these
notes and and that area on the plan now allows us to with an approval of this effectuate the lock rating permits and other other things that would happen at my desk as a township engineer to be concurrent to this and and not have to
have them file subsequently to >> here's here's one that doesn't >> Yeah. So, so there won't there won't be a need for them to file any plot plan with me to get to the next step of of pulling permits. >> Yeah. But bottom line, it's not a permanent thing over there. That's what I >> Yep.
>> Go ahead and play. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> I guess as long as Was there any uh Mr. uh I'm sorry, I forget your name. Mallerie Rick. Uh Mr. Rick, was there any flooding issues or anything with you or your neighbors or you want to ask your mom?
>> Never never be flooding. That's great. So, it's a dry area. That's good. >> Yeah, we're we're definitely out of the flood plane and we are it's relatively flat, so there's no steep slopes here. >> Good. Any other questions?
Does any member of the public have a question for Mr. Hollows? Okay. Hearing no questions, nobody from the public. Closing to the public. Um, any additional questions by our experts or anyone on the board?
Um, do you want to say anything else? >> I think we've said enough and we >> All right. Okay. >> Uh, so just to summarize, this is for your mother's benefit so she doesn't have to go up and downstairs, put her bedroom on the first floor, a bathroom
on the first floor, so she can stay basically on the first floor of the house. >> For health reasons? >> Yes. >> Um, >> do you want to uh >> Yeah, Mr. J, just real quick, just want to double check. Said questions. Any comments from the
>> No comments? No. Just want to make sure. >> No, I No, there's no public. >> Questions to both experts? >> No public. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. As far as uh the relief being sought and the conditions, I'll do my best to summarize. Uh the applicant is seeking uh one bulk variance for the
front guard setback posed by the proposed addition. That's going to be uh 38.2 ft where 50 ft is required. As far as conditions go, um the one comment in Liz's memo that they would correct the calculations and requirements of the variance plans, um Joe mentioned about
the lock rating that's going to be >> so there's no no exempt from submitting for that exempt from our lock rating permit as well as from our stormwater management mitigation. >> So we'll just note that in there. >> Yes, you could note that in the factf finding. >> Okay. And the only other thing that I
understood to be absent stipulation is that the air conditioning unit would be moved behind to the rear of >> of the existing >> of the existing dwellings >> to the left of the >> Yes. >> Right. Okay. Got it. >> Which is not a condition. It's just a explanation. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I didn't know if they wanted that to be
a condition. >> So we scrap that. >> So it would be in the front yard setback area. >> Okay. And that's really it as far as I'm aware. I'm leaving something out. Somebody let me know. That's it. >> Gary, would you like to start the
deliberation? >> Um, I think you've been there over 40 years, right? >> 50. >> Yeah. So, I think it's a great way to stay there hopefully for another healthy 40 years. I would be inclined to approve
this project the way I see it. uh just what Gary said, you know, she's a longtime resident and uh it's the reason why I'm on the board and a lot of other guys. We like to help out, you know, our people who have lived here a long time and uh like what Gary said, I I hope you spend another 50 60 years
here and um I I will definitely approve this. >> Jonathan, >> yeah, I think uh it's pretty evident that the size and shape of your lot kind of precludes you from doing much of anything. And I don't think, you know, I think you've shown that this won't have
a detriment to the neighborhood as it kind of fits in with everything over there. So, I have no problem supporting this. >> Jared, >> I think it's a solid application. I think we mentioned earlier it's quite possible that the property predates our zones. Um, it's uh it's impossible to
build a realistic home on that. So, the hardship is evident. It's a great application thinking about soil conservation and other aspects of the project. I think that it's worthy of me voting yes. >> Alex, >> just concur with everybody else on the board with this one. I vote yes,
>> DJ. >> Uh, yes. I'm in agreeance with everybody. >> Thanks for >> Oh, I missed one meeting. I thought you were >> I was going down and coming back. >> Um, we don't usually get slam dunks. This is a slam dunk. >> Thank you. Thank you for bringing it to us.
>> Yeah, I concur. I think that the positives outweigh any negatives. I think it'll improve the neighborhood. It'll improve the living condition. Uh, it'll make the house more livable. Um, it's a great design. You've tucked it away and as somebody said, it looks like a looks like someplace you'd put a
garage. So, it looks normal for that for it to be there. And, um, considering the strange building envelope you have on that property, which is almost I've never seen anything that small. That's about all you can do with it. I mean, you're out of compliance no matter what you do. So, I would be in favor of it.
>> Do I hear a motion to approve it? I'll make that motion. May I >> have a second? >> I'll second. >> Roll call. >> Second. >> Uh, Mr. Arno, >> yes. >> Vice Chairman Groskov, >> yes. >> Mr. Geianis, >> yes. >> Mr. Rosenberg, >> yes. >> Mr. Zi,
>> yes. >> Mr. White, >> yes. >> And Chairman Gret, >> yes. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you very much. >> Good luck. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> I think that was the quickest one we've done. >> Don't change yourself. Good luck with the project.
>> Good luck with that. >> Thank you very much. >> Yeah, good luck with it. >> Bill, I don't need the large copies. Would you email me the other? >> Okay. >> Going to mark those and put them in the file. >> Did send you the
build the envelope you want to? >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes, I have the good time. Get these Okay. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Take care. >> All the best.
>> All right. Does anyone need a break for any reason? >> Okay. Well, then we'll continue. I just want to make sure I'm not ignoring people that doesn't have >> I think it's missing. >> Uh we have the next application coming up. It's a bulk variance block 11805
lot 9.36 zone R3 38 Greenwood Drive application number 25-15Z Ricardo G and Sandra Oliviera applicant proposes to construct an inground swimming pool in the rear yard
of a single family resident and I assume everyone's here. >> Very good. >> Assume correctly we are. >> Yes. So, um, uh, >> yeah, just quick opening, uh, Mr. Chairman, just want to point out for the record, um, I did review the applicant's notice for tonight's hearing. Everything
checks out, properly served. All the content was good. It was timely published. Board is jurisdiction to hear and decide the case in my humble legal opinion. >> Thank you. >> Um, want me to swear everybody in now? >> Yes. >> Yes, please. >> This is Mr. Alair. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I think Okay. Do all four of you swear or affirm in the testimony of the truth, the whole truth only God? >> I do. >> Okay. Great. Thanks. >> Okay. Great. Thanks. >> Mr. Zelli, how are you doing?
>> Andy, how are you? >> Good. Misty, >> would you like to introduce your client? >> For the record on behalf of the applicant, this is regarding 38 Greenwood Drive 11856.
It's an application for bulk bearings required for installation of a 5400 square foot swimming pool patio areas and the yard project will require bulbous coverage for distance between the
swimming pool and the house and insufficient setback for the existing shed which we're asking for as a housekeeping. the installation of proposed swimming pool including patio cover.
>> Could you put that microphone a little closer to you so we can make sure you increase the impervious coverage from 18.5% to 21.9 of which 1.6 is storm water neutral full water surface area 20% is permitted in
the R3 zone. If the water surface area was disregarded, the excess coverage would be the minimum 0.3%. Posed location of the pool is 5 ft from a portion of the rear facade of the house where 10 ft is required. It should be noted, however, that the portion in
question does not contain doors with the closest door being more than compliant distance from the pool. Again, we're also seeking after the fact approval of shed location. 10 ft from the rear sideline is required and we are at somewhere between five and six feet. Uh
just two witnesses this evening. Mr. Oliver himself and Jennifer. >> Okay. Um who's going first? >> Mr. Ala. >> Okay. You've been sworn in. Where do you and
Sandra presently reside? >> Yeah. Yeah. You got to share the mic. Sorry. >> 30 agree with me. Do you have children? >> Yes, I have two boys 13 and >> when did you purchase the property?
>> ML will give us a technical description of the property, but how would you describe the property itself? What structures are >> there's a single family home and >> is there a decorative present? >> Yes. You have packet of photographs in front
of you. I'll represent to the board the same photo. packets area after that I took myself shortly before there would first of all just confirm
that the area accurately shows where your house is and then the rest of the photos if you would just take us one at a time just tell the board what is portraying from what vantage point and please just confirm subject seasonal differard
[Music] past that picture which you see in this next photo which is filled in the side view of the house. the sheds in the back there. Next yard with the deck. The door in question is all the way to
the left hand side from the pool. >> The pool essentially be coming out from >> Yes. So I plan from the deck a step down from the deck out the rear different visual.
basically where the pump out of the house and the deck that's proposal. Next picture, same thing. >> This picture will be between the photographer and next shed the house.
>> What is the shed for storage? You also put in there. >> Next picture is different angle sideyard and
the picture from the drawer from the neighbor. >> That's the driver. That's the neighbor's driver. >> Correct. the front of the house. >> In the last two pictures, you see these small. >> Yeah, they're actually one foot. This
goes one foot up. And of course, we're here tonight to install a swimming pool. you have two young kids so I'm guessing that's why give us the technical details but in your own words describe where it's going
to be concept I didn't want to completely because it was coming off the deck so my kids were bugging me so I decided to step down from the uh deck
and make it a nice wolf ding lounge pool. It's not deep enough. It's going to be six feet deep. So, there's no diving on it. And for me, it's just like we're calling it an ingground pool. And then comments brought up what we should
call it. It's kind of a gray area. It is raised, but you're raising the walls and you get a patio surface. So it's not your traditional above ground aluminum. >> Correct. It's gonna it's doing um
raising it with block and kind of give the same aesthetic continue to have a look. dealing with excessive coverage that raises generally
the plan to pick three drive wells two and one proposed you confirm that there are in fact two locations >> absolutely one's in the driveway and one's right in the rear at the driveway
uh that I put when I built my house >> and are the gutters and leaders of home connected directly to that drywall? >> Yes. >> And will any drainage features from the pool goirectly to do dry? >> Yes. >> So you're not going to create any
drainage offsite. >> Are you removing any trees as far as kind of lighting? underwater. >> Further Mr. >> Um board members, do you have any questions for Mr. Oliver? >> Yes. >> Um what is the condition of your yard
where this pool will be or or any other parts of your yard after significant storms? And I say that I don't mean a 100 year storm. I mean after a regular rainfall like a one or two day rainfall >> everything because a lot of Greenwood Drive has
really soft spongy areas >> as it goes down the hill. >> You're on the hill. >> So uh my neighbors >> So your neighbor's going to get that if we do this right. But we're saying everything's going to stay on the on premise. Is that you agree with that, Joe?
>> Yes. So, I um going to testimony you just gave uh Fred, you you referenced drywalls on the plans. I didn't see them on on the plans that were >> So, you're looking at the survey. >> I'm looking at the survey and then the
architect's plan. >> So, you saying in in the driveway? So, I don't have them shown in the driveway. >> Yeah. Were the existing required by a previous variance? >> No, they were they were required by the town engineer when I submitted plans or
permits and uh that was >> there wasn't a variance in your building projects that was all built without without any variance. Yes. >> Okay. >> When was the lock grading permit? It's going to be embarrassing if it was me that approved it and I didn't realize it.
>> No, the so the lock rating permit here by the township engineer >> 20. All right. Okay. >> It might be January February. >> Okay. >> Okay. So,
I'm going to trust that the The dry wells are shown on those approved plans and then are reflected through the construction and the acceptance the close out of for the CL of the home.
They're they're not shown on those drywalls are not shown on these plants in front of me. They are showing these >> on sheet C1. >> We have show >> T1. I have a two page.
>> You don't have a two-page set. >> Yeah. [Applause] >> I'm sorry to blavorver the point. I just would like to avoid the need for the lock rating permit later if it's if it could be addressed
now. >> Yeah. Page D1. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah. No, I apologize. I I I missed it in the the record copy I was working off of. So,
um, go back to the board members and I'll clear it up afterwards. >> So, that was my question. I just want to hear what he responds to at the end of that. >> Um, and other than that, it's just the safety stuff which is going to be covered by our planner and our attorney, I'm sure, which is gates and whatever
else access from your deck. It's going to be all >> those >> normal, right? Nothing different conforming to whatever they request, the professionals request compar. >> Okay, those okay, fine. We'll talk about it later. Thank you. That's my only question.
>> I observations regarding the drainage. So you have testimony presently. We don't have a problem the previous coverage that we're adding >> all except it's not
but yet >> Thank you. >> Well, any additional questions? >> I have a question. The third drywall, what's going to drain into the third drywall? the top part of the patio. >> You do. Okay. So, it's going to come off of there and go into third.
>> Right. Right. >> This does. >> Sounds good. >> Natural slope that way anyway, right? To the back. The natur the slope is natural to the back anyway. >> So, it'll drain right into it. It'll drain naturally into it. Okay. Great. Great. >> So, you're catching everything. >> Yeah. >> So, nothing will go off your property. Good.
>> Any other >> You won't upset your neighbors with that. That's for sure. >> Yeah. in a second. >> Any other questions of the >> So, what's next? >> Just state your credentials for us. >> Well, hold on. Before we do that, let
let me make this easier. >> Another question. >> Right. So, um we're just going to acknowledge that in my letter I was working off of uh April 8th plans. the the plans that you just handed to me which is the record
set are the April 22nd set that does have that third sheet in it and does include drywall calculations. So if we look at in my letter um comments 32 and 33 regarding storm warner management and lock rating permit
uh as well as I guess particularly 31 the increase >> the increase in pvious coverage was about 1292 I had on the plan uh but based on what falls in the water surface of the pool and cycled into the pool
there's really only roughly just shy of 800 square f feet that that that needs to then be mitigated for um that is being accomplished in the drywall design that's here on these plans and that's for in excess of 1,000 square feet. So essentially the full
>> Yeah. So it is fully covered to then go into into that drywall. Um, so I was previously going to recommend I put it in I think my email to the applicants attorney
uh condition for lock rating permit. I don't think that's going to be necessary because enough information is shown on these plans. Um, when you pull construction permits, it does appear that you might be right at that threshold of a 4ft retaining wall once
you get down to the bottom course of the foundation, not to the exposed face. So, you you may need manufacturers calculations or an engineer's calculation on the retaining wall to be able to pull the permit on the retaining wall, but I I wouldn't need it as part
of a lock rating approach. Thank you. Sorry to clean it up before you went on to the next. Thank you. Thank you. Made it easier. >> The benefit of your professional experience. >> Sure. I have a master's degree in uh architecture from New Jersey Institute
of Technology. I've been licensed in the state of New Jersey since 2002 and I've appeared before countless boards in New Jersey. I have not been here though. This is my first night time here and I'm going to be here in a month. >> Oh, really? Okay. will be here in two week in one week. Yeah, next week.
>> Oh, for the rest of us. >> Oh, okay. Uh, and your license is current. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Uh, Dean, yours next. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry. Real quick, ma'am. What's What's your name again? >> Jennifer Polalmo. >> Okay. >> And what firm are you with?
>> Polarmo Edwards Architecture. >> Okay. Can we get your business address, too? 600 Mountain Road in Kennelan, New Jersey. >> Morris County. >> Please proceed. Still Morris County. >> Still Morris County. Barely Morris
County. Um so, as was previously stated, uh we have a single family dwelling uh on our lot that is appropriately sized um with a driveway off of the side. Um there's an existing uh composite deck
and a small patio off the back and there's also an existing shed. Um we are proposing to uh install a vinyl line pool uh that will be dropped into a uh raised patio that will be uh supported
by uh retaining walls on all four sides actually. Um, and uh that's basically what we're proposing. We're proposing uh to have a 4ft fence along the top of the wall um to provide the uh required
safety uh as required by law. We I neglected to put uh the gate on the plan. The fence will continue along at the top of the steps and um come and hit the house. So that um the gate will be
accessed from the stairs going up. Uh >> gate closing too. >> Absolutely. Probably too tall for me. >> Um and so as was previously stated, we have uh our topography and our uh
drainage plan with our drainage calculations. We're proposing a trench drain along all three sides of the pool uh patio. You know, when a you have a pool, you want your your patio needs to slope away from the pool. You don't want it sloping into the pool. So, we've got
the trench drains going around all three sides and then it will collect directly into the uh catch basin at the rear. >> We have a for having pool less than 10 from the edge of the house. Can you show us? >> That's correct. Um so this small section
of house here is um 5 foot from the edge of the pool the pool surface. Uh we have a deck here. So when you get to this portion of the the house, this is really probably
almost 20 feet uh from the pool edge. It's just this corner of the house where it's 5T. >> And there is the closest >> And the closest door is back here at the corner. >> And just to be clear for the record, there is no
>> correct. >> Uh just for the record, there is no member of the public out there. So >> there was no member to ask for any questions of the applicant. So I'm going to close it to the public. I'm just going through quickly. >> I'm sorry. Can I just follow up on the
last statement that you made to the architect? There's no access from the residence to the pool. Is that >> No, there is, but it's it's all the way back at this wall here and not in this wall or close to the edge. >> Okay. But it does exist, right?
>> Yes. requate >> the door of the house. >> Yes. >> Not that I'm aware of. That's not how my my house works. >> It would be by alarm. >> You have a sliding door. Yeah. by UCCC. My understanding is if you have a
sliding door that's interior, not enclosing the pool directly with the fence, but part of enclosing the pool area. >> Mr. This is a traditional door. >> Yes. >> So, the door would have a I believe is required to then have an alarm on it so
that you have a certain beeping presence to know that somebody is has access to the pool directly. >> So, just for the record, we'll comply with whatever was actually required in that regard. >> Yeah. Okay. UC door locks. >> Correct.
>> Sorry. Can you can you just talk a little bit about the combined height of the retaining wall? >> Sure. >> And the fence. >> So, um, the site slopes here's the highest point and it kind of slopes down this way. Um, at this point at the
corner of the house, the retaining wall is uh about 2 and 1/2 ft. Um, and then when you get to this corner over here, it's uh almost four, it's just under five feet right here.
>> All right. So, we would typically we we combine the two. You know, you have the retaining wall plus the fence above it. Um, and and limit the height of that to six feet. So that would just be a variance that they would need to to be >> fine. Yes. If you want the fence to be higher,
>> of course. Required to be higher. Exactly. So by requiring the fence to be higher and putting it on top of the wall, you now need a variance. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Fine. So we'll add that. Thank you. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. >> Thank you. >> And then that testimony verifies that there will be in excess of 4T. So there
will be stability calculations. >> Okay. >> Something to certify. Does that take the does that foot? >> No. >> No, just the wall itself. The you were saying the wall is at roughly five short of five in that corner.
>> So just so you understand, it doesn't need to be part of the resolution because it gets picked up in UCCC plan review. But just so you're prepared for it when you make file for your your construction permits. >> So it's actually interesting that the question came up. Is it an above ground
pool or is it a ground pool? And uh if you look here um so the pool's approximately six feet deep. >> Um as we just pointed out in one corner of the patio it's five feet. So it's
literally like a foot below grade. But at the other side it's obviously deeper. It's probably four feet below grade. So >> how deep is the pool? >> Six feet >> the whole thing. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So there's no var grading of variance. >> It's a six foot pole from one side to the other.
>> From one side to the other. >> There's no shallow end. >> Oh, you told me. So there is a shallow end. >> Oh, that's what I'm asking. So there is >> You want to address that? >> There's going to be pool is going to have a little area with some chairs and water and then it slopes
down gradually up to six feet. Okay. >> The pool is 20 ft long by 18 ft wide. It's not that big. >> No. So there will be a shallow end. >> Okay. >> Is the deep part on one side or the other or towards the back? >> It's towards the back. Uh where the >> wall is
>> the wall. Yeah. The rear wall. Um >> towards the that other >> here. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. All right. So it goes from Yeah, it goes that way. >> So it's going to be shallower where you >> Oh, okay. Gotcha. >> They gradually three, four.
>> Yeah. >> All right. Any questions of their architect by our panel? >> Can I just ask just a quick housekeeping item? What what's the date on those plans? >> Just want to make sure the same thing.
Our date says uh 53125. >> Okay. >> She's the same. >> That's a good question. >> Yeah. Are there different dates? >> Yep. >> Okay. Just want to make sure we got everything. >> Go ahead.
>> So the pool right as it's situated within the um retaining wall is not centered, right? It's >> correct. Is there a reason why it wouldn't naturally I'm just I have a second question, but is there a reason there is not centered?
Is that for the >> pool isn't centered in the retaining wall, right? It seems to be sort of to the south towards the rear. I left 8t towards the yard. So I put some chairs. >> Okay. >> And eight feet towards the right side
from that plan. >> Would there Yeah. Would there be since you have eight feet on the northwest the northern portion away from the house and five feet on the portion towards the house again just because the variance requires 10 you know you'd need 10 feet would there be a reason why you wouldn't
have the the 8t on this side and the five feet on the other side was that >> privacy >> so I was just saying pushing pushing the pool to the north by three feet essentially would make you 8t from the house as opposed to five feet still need
a variance but would make you it would just make the the top portion five feet and the bottom portion I'm not saying this is what I want you to do I'm just saying why was was there a reason to have it because I'm I guess I'm just wondering is was five was even the idea of pushing it five feet further back
thought about >> the irregular I didn't want to push it out too far so it looks >> okay >> and get too close to your site Any other questions?
>> No. >> Any additional questions from my planner or engineer? >> Um, no. Just that 531 plants. So, let's just make sure we we all share it across.
>> You give me the 422s. >> Yeah, I was working off of 48. >> Mine's dated 422 also. >> I have what? >> I have 408. >> Yeah, you have 408. So do I, Chris. >> Okay. >> Did you submit the 531 ahead 10 minutes
ahead of time? >> It's all right. You marked it as an exhibit. >> Yeah, that's why I wanted there there's really not an essential difference. Right. Except >> I don't believe between 422 and 531. I just want to make sure we have it. >> The 481 didn't show the drywall.
>> Right. >> Right. That's why that that's why I had to clarify it earlier. Right. Do you have any idea what the difference is? >> Julio told me there was a problem with when it printed the scale was off. >> Oh >> yes, that is true. >> So that got fixed.
>> But we did resubmit. I'm not sure. >> Okay. >> Let's mark that as an exhibit just to be safe. >> The whole thing. >> Yeah. >> A1. >> Yes. Exhibit A1 revised. Uh >> yeah. Could you mark it on the plan? >> May 31st.
>> I don't have >> revised swimming pool plan, I guess, >> right? >> A2. >> No, no, the whole the whole thing was >> And put the date on it.
>> And what's the date on it? May 31st, 20. >> No, I mean for today's date when you mark it, right? Because we're marking it today. >> Oh, it's got Okay. >> Well, just on the A1, so we know what day it was marked as A1. >> December.
>> Okay. With that, is that um I don't know if that's going to affect some of the conditions that you guys raised, Joan. was >> well the the set that we were working off of which was the April 8th I think right April 8th. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That I think the scale was wrong but it sounds like you've adjusted the scale so it's correct now. >> So um >> was the scale correct on the April uh 22nd 251? Uh I don't know >> because that's the date that everyone
has, right? >> What is the scale? What is the scale show? >> Uh it's one inch equals 20 ft. So that's changed. >> That's >> those are the Well, those are the digitals. Those are the digitals.
So >> I apologize for I don't know if I don't have another >> I I might have sent you >> in May 31st
>> correct >> that's the good >> this is just for your testim >> correct Is the fencing shown on there? >> The fencing is shown around here, but not the gate.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, we need that. >> We can re we can revise that and resubmit >> before you submit it for final. >> Sure. >> And we had an additional revision. I think the front yard uh Yeah, the front yard setback. It should go to the covered portion of the
>> uh this dimension here. >> Yes. >> Right. Okay. So that won't be compliant. >> Any additional questions by the board? >> No. >> Any additional comments?
>> Wait a minute. >> Just real quick. Um the uh the pool, are you guys going to be screening that? >> Uh we we can. It's proposed to go right alongside the retaining wall over here. Yeah, we usually like to have it screened by either natural beams or >> Sure.
>> landscaping or >> landscaping. >> Landscaping. >> We have a an ordinance provision on that 152.3, >> I think. So, as long as you guys comply with that. >> Sure. >> Uh just briefly, uh these all the various satisfy the C2 and flexible C at
the Two purposes of the municipal land use law are advanced by those two. First swim pool and associated areas promote a desirable visual environment specific design and arrangement to satisfy purpose
existing shed. >> Yeah. >> Architecturally consistent with the home and also satisfies visual requirement by allowing place to store things. Second, swim in the area will improve
housing stock property valite statute that no detriment is anticipated to rise in the project. Splitting pools with surrounding patios and sheds are common in township no detrimental impact. Thus far
is significantly further than 10 ft. So you don't have a safety concern. Again, if you disregard surface neutral, you're deal about reason for your time.
>> Thank you. And just for the record, there is no public. >> Uh okay. U Paul, would you like to start the bill version? >> Sure. Uh I think Mr. Oliver and his team did a great job presenting it, covered everything, all the bases, and uh I'd be in favor of voting yes for him.
>> Gary, I I concur. I don't think there's much to say here. >> Gary. >> Oh, you said Gary. Go ahead. Go ahead, Gary. Please. I'm >> close enough. Go ahead. >> I was gonna say >> I thought he said Jerry. >> You're going to say what he said? I
>> was going to say what he said. I remember this house when back when you bought it. I think you made some dramatic great improvements to it. >> Yeah. >> Um and I don't see any of neighbors objecting to the lot coverage changes and and you're going to enjoy this for
more years with your family. So, I'm going to be in favor of that. >> Good. Uh, I was a little concerned about storm water runoff. That's not a concern. You got it covered. I was a little concerned about how close you were to your neighbor. I don't think your neighbors care. It looks good. Your
plans look good. It fits with the neighborhood. Um, good luck in your pool next summer. >> Jonathan. >> Yeah. I don't have anything more really to to say about this other than I would support this and I think that uh I should enjoy your pool, >> Jerry.
I think there's not not much to add. It's just a slightly uh slight increase in law coverage that requires the variance. I think it's it's a good application considering they came here with stormwater management plans and everything else they need to do to get approval. I think it's I think it's fine. >> Alex,
>> solid application, great documentation. Good luck with the construction. >> DJ, uh I think everything looks great. It's going to be a great addition to the home. Uh I'm in agreeance with the rest of the board members. I concur. Uh positives outweigh any negatives and you take in consideration
any water runoff. He's pretty much uh handled it. The house looks nice. I walk past it all the time when I walking. Uh and I I think it's a good addition to the neighborhood. I noticed on your overall Google plan there's some other neighbors that have pools, too. So,
it'll fit right in. >> Um so, I'd be in favor also. >> You want to sum it up? >> Yes. Okay. So, here's the variance relief as I understand it. Let me know if I'm getting anything wrong. Uh, first one is for lock coverage ratio. 20% is the max
permitted. They're proposing 21.9. Yes. Right. Okay. Uh, separation distance between the pool and the principal building 10 ft is required there. They're proposing five. Uh, sideyard setback of the shed 6 feet proposed where 10 is the minimum
required. Uh, fence height. >> Let's make that 5T. Five feet >> for the shed. >> Okay. Uh fence height six feet required, four feet proposed. >> Okay. That's it for variances.
>> Um condition. >> Is it the issue with the fence that we're actually higher in total than the six? >> You just higher. >> Yeah, they need a variance. >> Okay. So, what's >> what's Oh, six is the max >> the total retaining wall height.
proposed. >> Okay. >> Six max, nine proposed. Got >> which is the wall height is kind of related to that >> combined with the fence. >> Understood. >> Not the fence height. >> Okay. Gotcha. I need mentioned something about fence variance. I just glad we clear that out. Uh other uh
that's it for variances conditions. Um I didn't anything directly. So, but I would assume you guys are going to apply with everything Liz's memo from October 2nd to the extent applicable. >> Yes. >> Um everything in Joe's memo from today to the extent applicable. Um he did mention no lock rating permit would be required. So remove that one. Um the
only other two I saw in there were just making sure that the uh applicant future property owners maintain all the storm water management stuff that's being proposed and then that you're going to have to put soil erosion sediment control measures in place prior to soil disturbance. And then the last one um
you have to get any outside agency approvals that might be required. I think you guys would have to anyway. Um other conditions during the hearing um that it really necessarily needs to be a condition. He's got to do it anyway, but you have to comply with all the UCCC requirements for the door alarm.
Guys need to revise the plans to show the gate and the front yard setback of the dwelling. And then uh you guys would comply with section 1.2.3 of the ordinance with respect to screening the full mechanical equipment. >> I think that's it.
>> Do I have a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> I have a second. >> Second. Yes. >> Roll call. >> Vice Chair Groskoff. >> Yes. >> Mr. White. >> Yes. >> Mr. Aronio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Giannakis. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rosenberg. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Sidros. >> Yes. >> Chairman Direct. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Congratulations. All right. >> Congratulations. Good luck with your project. >> Good luck. >> Have fun. >> When's the pool party? >> Yeah. >> Standard questions. >> You get it done by October. You may need
them. >> Can you get it done by November? boy. Take care. >> Good luck with everything. >> Sterling. >> No, no. I I showed it when it was on the market.
>> Take it easy, guys. >> You can give that mic to Deborah so she can shut it off. Batteries. >> You can leave. It actually turns off when I >> Oh, it does. Okay. >> I don't want the batteries to go dead in two seconds. >> They do anyway if they sit there. >> I know.
>> Um, so What's what's next for the next meeting? >> Okay, so um next next meeting in October we have October 21st we have um a use fairings for Main Street. >> Okay.
>> Um proposed dwellings. Uh I'll be sending out shortly. >> Yeah. No, I know which one that is. >> Yeah. Um anyway, it's two commercials. It's like commercial on the bottom and apartments up top. Uh and then we have to discuss the November date change as I
emailed everybody November 4th which is election day. Normally we have a meeting it's not a presidential election >> but unfortunately we have a lack of based on the application that we have for scheduled for November. Um I have
already members down for that meeting. So I have spoken to the professionals again as I noted in the email that we have that they are available on Thursday, November 13th. I've spoken with majority of the rest of the board members. It seems to be a very good
date. So we need to cancel November 4th and hold the special meeting on 13th for that particular application. >> Okay. And that'll be noticed like everything >> be noticed by me properly. >> Yeah. And by the applicants and
>> absolutely I haven't told the applicant that >> No, but when you do. >> Correct. When I do, >> so that that date was good for everybody that can appear. >> Yes. >> What's the 13th? Thursday. >> Thursday. >> Is it? >> Okay. >> And again, and I apologize to the board for offering a Thursday, but unfortunately with the way the month of
November falls, we don't have another >> Yeah. >> Tuesday available because >> Oh, the planning I thought the planning board wasn't going to use theirs. >> Well, they No, they're definitely using >> Oh, >> so the 11th is Veterans Day and the office is closed. Okay. >> Our office is closed. Um the 18th is the
week of municipalities and all of us are >> Okay. Yeah. So you only got the >> So we only have the one literally we only had election day and since now you the chairman is recused from this particular application and other board members have conflicts. >> Yeah. >> You got to change the date. >> I I told you I have a conflict with that
proposed date at at the at the moment. >> Which date? >> The November 13th >> which Yeah. >> That's the Thursday. Yeah. Everybody else said they can. >> Aside from that, this this application could also be controversial potentially >> and it's probably going to be more than one meeting,
>> right? >> But I I just the only thing I said to Deborah in the in the email was that >> um I don't necessarily like to have a cont I I know there's plenty of sources of communication, right? There's Facebook, there's email, whatever. But some people just know when our meetings
are >> and they they know to come here. They look on the town calendar and they know that that's on the on the schedule. I just don't want anybody to miss the meeting because of the change. >> Other than that, >> I don't really believe is weeks away. >> Yeah. Because the notice will go
>> doesn't matter if it's six weeks or a year or next week. I'm saying the calendar. Excuse me. What I'm saying is it's not a regularly scheduled meeting. I don't like special meetings. It's an opinion. So, I don't like special meetings. That's all I'm saying. But I mean considering the fact that it'll go
out the normal way, the applicant will send out notices and uh it is something that you want to be fair to all the parties to get them on the record. >> Yes. I've heard in the past say I didn't know, you know, I missed it. So it's just that's all. >> Yeah. All right.
>> I can assure the board in this particular case. >> Everybody knows, >> right? And we have had problems notification too with the with the newspapers and other things that's happened. So >> but even God forbid we even had a problem. I'm not I can honestly tell you that this this particular application is
taking up a good majority of my every day. >> I can imagine >> so everybody will know. >> Oh, this this one. >> Yes, this is the one that's going to be very controversial.
>> See, it's a it's a triscodacophobiac special. That's what we're calling this. It's on the third. >> Oh, there you go. Can we say that? >> Yes. >> I've got I've got I've got a different question and maybe it's for you if you're aware of >> you meaning who the engine >> I mean I know you're the township
engineer >> and uh and you just mentioned another application that we'll see that I don't really have the details on but you made a comment about the it's in a commercial area um ground floor is commercial type of thing >> but isn't there an ordinance that is
being discussed or thrown around now about making first floor in commercial zones, residential or allowing it. >> It's permitting it. It's not requiring it. So >> it not requiring it >> because when we require it, things stay vacant. So if somebody's coming in and
offering it, that's fine. >> Right now you question >> the residential has to be above the commercial, >> right? It can't be on >> in those zones. So now >> so there would be a proposed relaxation of allowing it to occur on the first floor. similarly to the use variance
that we dealt with at >> uh on Main Street at the salon. >> Yeah. And we did this board actually granted if you remember that. Yes. So what I'm trying to ask is would the applicant that's going to come before us not have to have a variance because it's something that's allowed.
>> They're they're not looking to have residential on the ground floor. So that it doesn't matter, >> right? It's a density variance. That's what makes it the variance. >> Okay. So >> even even >> they're not looking for it, but they can >> talking about next week. >> Sorry. They have ground floor retail
with residents above, which is what's permitted currently. >> Right. >> Okay. >> And if in the future they want to have residents below once that ordinance passes, they will be able to do so without coming back, >> right? >> Which would impact the amount of
residence and use that the building has. There's >> not necessarily just instead of just being a store, it's going to be >> it would be switched from a store to other, >> right? >> I encourage you to attend the public hearing at the second reading of the ordinance.
>> This is a planning board. >> Is that a planning board issue right now? >> No, >> it's a governing body issue because they adopt the ordinance. >> Is that tomorrow night? >> Well, the first reading of it is tomorrow night. >> First reading. >> Okay. >> Which is does not include public comment
here. >> So, we need a We need a motion and a second and then all in favor for the for cancelling November 4th and moving our November meeting to Thursday, November 13th. >> Okay. Do we have a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Do I have a second?
>> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I post. >> The last thing that I have is that I said everybody the proposed meeting dates for 26. >> We don't again we don't. So if anyone sees any problems, you're
welcome to email me. >> Again, we only have one meeting in next November. >> Correct. >> Is there any way to do it on the 17th or >> Okay. >> I I don't know. I don't know how booked we're going to be. >> It could be an alternate
>> you guys. Oh god. When you want to keep your job. >> I know. I mean, listen, we could do something on Zoom if you wanted to. No, >> but >> you could do the League of Municipalities on YouTube, too. >> They don't do that anymore. >> They should.
>> They did for They did for two years, but they don't. >> And now they want you in person. They want you gambling in person. >> Correct. >> That's right. >> But Right. But I mean, unfortunately, unfortunately, all of us need it for our certifications. So, >> Right. I know. >> And you're all certified. >> Well, certified city.
>> All right. Any more business? No. Hearing none. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Second. >> All right. All in favor?