e all right hey uh put my mute my phone here3 on the not yeah everybody mute their phones all right I call to order the Zoning Board of adjustment regular meeting uh for
February 18th uh at 7:30 p.m. uh call to order and statement of compliance adequate notice of this meeting SL hearing has been provided by posting a copy of the public meeting hearing dates on the municipal bulletin board and by sending a copy to the echo Sentinel and
by filing a copy with the municipal clerk standard board procedures at any meeting conducted by the board is a quasi judicial proceeding any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board May legally consider in reaching a decision
a decorum appropriate to judicial meeting SL hearing must be maintained at all times electronic devices all in attendance are pleaseed asked to mute all cell phones or electronic devices as to not interrupt the proceeding Pledge of Allegiance Tom would you lead us
please GL ALG to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all thank you uh
call yes sir Mr ronio here M Crawford Collins here Mr ganus has excused this evening Mr Rosenberg here Mr Watts here Mr zedy here Mr White here Vice chairman Groff here chairman G here chairman we
have a coure thank you so now we have some resolutions to um vote on Jessica and Harold Alan application number 24-19 Z it was hearing date of December 17th board action on December December 17th
and our memor me memorialization was is going to be on February 18th has everybody had a chance to review the resolution yes eligible members to vote are chairman Vice Ro mron mollins and
okay any changes to the resolution or uh suggestions I hearing none do I hear a motion to move the resolution I'll move it second okay roll call yes Mr
yes M Crawford Collins yes Mr W yes CH yes all right now the second one coming up is the me Su Yun the uh address is 329 Main Avenue
and 3 and 287 Mars Street uh Sterling New Jersey application block number 11513 Lots 34 and 4.01 application 24-1 18z the hearing date was December 17th the board action was
December 17th and the memorialization is today February 18th um same MERS same members okay do I hear a motion to do any changes to this okay do I hear motion to approve so move do I hear a second
second okay call M yes yes mron yes Mr wat yes andair yes all right thank you okay that takes care of that business now the next thing on
the agenda is the application for bulk variants block 13406 Lot 36 Zone R3 307 Tanglewood Trail application number 24-24 Z Eileen Borland application proposes to
construct SL repace an existing deck I see the applicant is walking up to the uh table how you doing Miss ban how are you thank you um you want to hold it do you have any other Witnesses besides yourself witnesses to you have any uh
you have any expert Witnesses no okay just asking because I you know we always like to swear them in if you have them we're going to swear you in but we just like to swear your experts in before I do with permission Mr chair I did have an opportunity to review the notice uh and I did have an opportunity to review
the notice um it is uh sufficient uh in content uh it was published on January 28 and uh certified male personal service honor about January 22nd both at least 10 days prior
to this evening so the board does have jurisdiction to hear the matter and I'll swear in as Bo as well as our board planner if you'll both raise your right hand do both of you swear to God or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and
nothing but the truth I do I do thank you both back to you Mr chairman okay now miss Borland would you just give us an overview of why you're here uh we have a deck that's approximately speak right into the mic please I'm sorry we have uh currently we
have a deck that's uh well over 40 years old and desperately needs to be replaced we have a basically the same size deck to It Go and it's in the and when the original deck was built we probably didn't have the rules about the so much
pry 40 years ago so so here we are um is there any changes that's going to be made I noticed you have a photograph of the existing right correct um and there appears to be no access from the
back door but on the new yes there is well there's a a step ladder going up to it no I meant there's definitely steps and there's a back door that leads out to the deck no no up you mean at the deck height I was talking on your on your plans you seem to have a slate walk
that appears to be going on ground level is that is that that's that goes from the drive to this bottom no there's one on the right hand side oh that goes underneath to there's a back door to that's uh do is at basement level okay so that slate walk doesn't go
anywhere it there's no access to the deck from there no no it's only from the flight of stairs up oh okay all right uh and then you have two walkways from your driveway to the wood deck on the other side yes is there any reason why you have two walkways convenience getting out of the
car of that spot okay cuz it all goes to ground coverage I'm just trying to it all goes to ground coverage so no uh it's more one is there's a curve and there's a like a we have two spaces down there and so we can get out of the car
and walk from there that way or suppose from like the garage itself you would walk around and pick it other than replacing the deck you're not you're not doing altering or changing any of the pathways correct um I I'd like our our planner to
go over her report um just just so she could explain to you what you found sure um thank you Mr chair so my report is dated February 11th 2025 uh as the applicant explained um
she is are proposing to replace a deck essentially in kind as to what is there currently um the maximum lot coverage for this zone is 20% there was no existing provided but it's probably more or less the same for
to what they're proposing which is 24.7% so it exceeds it by 4.7% um the one thing you know a couple of uh items to note is that the lot is um SL small for the Zone the the U the
minimum lot size in the zone is 30,000 and this is slightly under 20,000 so that all adds to you know the potential that they would exceed the lot coverage the one thing that I noted is that
um there is a provision in the ordinance that 136.28 [Music] [Music] or so is that even if we were to take that 50% reduction she will still or the deck will still be in excess but um so
you know variance will be needed regardless right but we were just we reducing the technical uh land the overage yes the magnitude of the mag so those big words so that's I got that Esq on
the it was a test but I you had to have a lot of big words yeah so the the you know everything complied but there were a couple of items um to get this reduction but there were a couple items where we requested additional materials and this is I know tripped up other
applicants because um but one is that there has to be a minimum of 316 of an inch between any adjoining floorboards on the deck and if that I mean that's something that you'd have to think about if you're willing to comply with that
um and then you would have to put grated crushed stone and a bed 8 in deep under the deck um with any necessary Filter Fabric to prevent clogging and a dry well with an effective volume equal to 8 in of uniformly graded Crush Stone times
the area of the deck I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt is it either or it's it the dryw or oh actually yes you're correct thank you you're right thank you no you're correct thank you Mr ronio I I will note that um um engineer uh V or vo
did you know look at this application and didn't have any concerns necessarily with regard to storm water um so I you know if the applicant is willing to comply with that uh comply with those standards then the um you know magnitude
the of the overage will be reduced by a 1% what would it be 24.6 it it would go from 24.7 to to 23.7 oh okay 2 oh one
one point1 I'm sorry sorry I misunderstood can I ask you did you do calculations of what the overage would be without the deck if the deck were removed over yeah I think you would still be over I sorry I I yeah you mean
the driveway the deck the walkways I without the deck it would still cluster Zing put that microphone closer you we okay thank you was cluster Zing AC but I I have half behind and
there's an next to me so just you're talking it's like it looks like it's an acre check that mic I don't think it's amplifying would you let her look at the mic I don't I don't think it's you working I talk I could tell by the fact
your voice wasn't being Amplified I think we change batteries on that mandatory at Le twice every night we don't have the Energizer Bunny yeah okay so they're good they die as soon as the truck
leaves they use the batteries to get the truck to go there you go yeah so I I just did a quick calculation that if at 20% um on this lot you'd have you would have to have about 3,800 a little bit over 3,800 um square feet and we're at
4,800 so you have to it's a lot of reduction it's a lot of reduction all right so that's almost not practical right all right well you know we always try to explore different things so if I may Liz would it be fair to say that the
cluster zoning the uh open space and surrounding a lot may be relevant uh to uh to an increase in lock coverage either by way of massing or uh storm
water I don't know if this run off purp I I think typically you would say yes right because the cluster zoning is putting the development in one sort of more densely developed in um in return for that dense development there's more open space so uh I think if if what
you're getting at is maybe that's a consequence of the cluster zoning um we see we see that in a lot of development I recall when that was built also and it was they used the terms back then it was density modification is what they were talking about and there was
land set aside so they they Shrunk the size of the Lots like this is undersiz lot which creates a hardship for you yes it does um in this in this particular case but all of the land that was set aside is not usable land much of that land is wet land behind us yes so the
way I'm going to go with this is I like your I like your recommendation of some type of mitigation because even though it's 4% over 4% of 20% is a lot greater than 4% right 20% is our maximum coverage so
there's a higher percentage over the maximum coverage than four right uh Miss Poland what exactly is under the deck right now so uh used to be the air conditioning unit we moved that well what kind of ground coverage uh there's really no ground just regular gr it seems pretty
simple in addition to that there's streams behind that house yes next to the house yes right it go well wraps all around that development right right right goes directly behind your house and it feeds the Pake on both sides correct both to the East and to the West right and to the east I'm sorry to the
west of your house when you're facing your house I'm talking about when you're facing your house house is also Mountain Avenue correct which floods so those stre I know it's I know it's small it's very small but I every drop adds up right so if we can keep a little bit of water off of Mountain Avenue flood days
I think it's important and I know it's you're not flooding Mountain Avenue say that but one thing I like our house and the house next door and the only houses in development that do not have a sump pump right cuz we don't need it we've been there a little bit of
little bit of burn and it trains on the on the empty lot further east on me so what would you be willing to uh do the stone under the deck I guess so sure I I you know I that would reduce your low Tech and not even a big cost right yeah
I mean whatever is easier I mean there is some cost involved but it would reduce your your number for your impervious okay and it would uh uh make it a little a little more palatable as far as going over the number of 20 we
understand up to her at the time of construction if she can talk to her professionals and see which is least expensive for her to dig a a seepage pit or to have the stone wouldn't you say a a uh a pit is more expensive than the
could be we don't know we're not I would recommend that maybe as a condition of approval if the board were so to act that the applicant consult with the board's engineer okay as to what either one to do either one and to see some you know what's most cost effective and also a storm water management effective
because I don't know okay but I I would assume anytime you have to bring in some sort of Excavating equipment it's going to be more money right it seems to me if the decks removed 8 in of stone is not a tremendous big deal because there's no deck there you're not digging under a deck correct right corre 8 in is not a
lot okay most contractors have little Cabas and stuff they can can quickly we don't know about it though do they have to remove soil or can they just put the 8 in of stone on top of what the hard pan that's there now that's a question for Joe I don't I really I'm not sure you didn't you
didn't get osmosis all the knowledge are you building a box then under the deck a box basically we'd have to yeah basically it would be um uh a uh a low area like a dry like a big dryw basically yeah yeah and then take take
the saying then you have to retain that you have to retain that stone there it doesn't away well I think if you put it lower than ground level it probably won't slip away he's talking about putting it above ground that's that's why I'm saying that no no no I would be talking about digging do I mean some back so if in
fact we do agree to your uh proposal I think one of the conditions we would have I think everybody agrees that we you would consult with our engineer Joe and ask him which either the dryw or the stone under the deck figure out which is more cost effective and which would do a
a decent job or if they would do the same job okay in the water and and your board spacing on the deck so that water could get through it that's the whole point of is that in the plan it's it's sorry it's in my letter it's in our or no no no I mean we submitted the plans
with the deck was that going three three three just a minute 16 in SL uh slots with the so they are 36 of an inch SL they are three they are 316 no I I'm
saying oh are they um iiss construction oh all right well we'll adjust it I mean that's something that's easy to do just back to the conditions the the the two conditions I really like speaking with
the engineer because he's a smart guy and he knows about this stuff but also and and I know he's going to do the most reasonable thing for her that's going course but I would also like to have the applicant have the least costly way out right mhm well that's what we're shooting for right yeah but that's the
whole purpose of speaking with the engineer yes right right I just want to make sure that that's clear yes to have him make sure that uh she's doing the most cost effective method of of she can also consult with her contractor in that also right yes cuz the person who does the deck could probably do that too I
mean yes I would I would hope so yeah um but now let me understand if we oh they whatever the engineer says about either putting it down in the ground or above well no it would either be a dry well uh to pipe water from under the deck or a
stone structure under the deck and and if he says dig dig if he does says not dig don't dig right whatever it's going to be put 8 in of stone in the ground your deck under your deck that's because it sounds like the way the description is you almost have to dig 8 in down yeah
I was just as opposed to putting aers some sort I don't think that would be the same effect yeah otherwise you'd have to collect the water and pipe it somewhere were may I also suggest if Joe can come up with a third option that's
equally as effective and you know maybe maybe that could be an option too okay Joe will ultimately determine the compliance with 1362 G1 which is what is being for the ultimate goal for the ultimate goal of reducing
the number the number uh when it comes to impervious and then the number will uh technically would be uh 23.7 that's what I calculated the other day I'll double check that uh just a
minute so that's if I may Mr chairman just for the record miss boand the uh photograph uh the photograph did you take them yes and approximately when in the summer like
I I say it wasn't today no no no no it was probably and that accurately depicts what it looks like that's fine whe weather I'm thinking it's more like probably August of that's fine yeah but I mean there's been no significant changes in the no we okay yeah uh and
there's been no significant changes in the layout of the property since correct okay correct so everything that we see on your survey is the way it sits that survey was done recently in the last 6 months um now uh do we have any members
of the public other than your family that want to ask questions uh you can ask questions too but I don't think you want to any other members of the F of the public she's under oath get her to six right it has to be relevant relevant to this
application okay uh hearing none for the public I'm going to close it to the public for questions um any other questions from board members I I I seem that we've been very quiet here um do you have any other uh points that you'd like to discuss no
I just confirmed it it would drop by a a full percentage Point full percentage okay well that's always that's always uh desirable you know and it may even help some water issues on your property if you have any no unfortunately for us you don't good we don't we're high enough
the you know the front of the house is you know it goes up to the front half a dozen steps to the main entrance but the back is da workout basement so the back is you okay would would it be fair to say that
uh by reducing it 1% we've reduced the magnitude of a pre-existing non-conformity that might constitute a benefit for purposes of C2 criteria right yes and it's certainly a benefit to the community yes it is absolutely
yeah no it is yeah um okay uh hearing there there are no questions and uh are there any comments from the public okay hearing no comments from the public I assume I'm going to close it to the comment section of the public um all right uh would um who would start like
to start deliberating I'll go if you don't mind okay go ahead well I think that you um I don't know if you put the deck in or not but it's been there for a long time 40 years so the law was probably in effect at the time but back then things probably weren't handled the same way they are now I a lot of
scrutiny on it so somehow you want up with a deck that's non-conforming your property is non-conforming because of the reasons we stated before whether it's density modification or some other term you have that so that presents a hardship as our lawyer and our planner pointed out you are making the situation
better you have an existing non-conforming use but you're making the situation better by offering to put in some type of drainage system whether it's under the deck or whether it's some kind of retention Bas away from the deck so you're you're improving that
situation so I think that you meet the uh the positive criteria in that regard and it is it is community serving and I don't see any harm for this I think it's going to probably make your backyard look beautiful um and you can see you can't see from the street but people that come to your house you'll make
everything you can see from the street okay more so you'll improve the neighborhood so I think that it's not a detriment to our town in any way whether it's our Zone plan or coordinance or whatever I think you're all good thank you Meri
well I Echo Jerry's same sentiments I think um the fact that the dimensions um for this new deck that you're proposing are pretty much the same as the previous deck to that unless otherwise previously disclosed you they have not been problematic in the past in their um size
or setback um I do think that the benefits greatly outweigh the detriments to this I think it'll definitely improve you know your property's value and desirability too I mean I'm sure that after 40 years that's probably gotten a lot of weathering and a lot of it's very weather just and it needs to be improved
and I'm sure you know safety wise too I mean those steps look pretty old yes um I think that you've shown a real willingness to want to conform your openness to either putting in the dry well or the uh graded Stone um and I
think that you had said too being able to work with something that's um effective but also financially desirable too um I think they had said something in here too that despite the proximity to the pic tributaries this is not in the flood zone is that correct correct I
believe so and you've been amenable to our suggestions and the willingness to work to conform so I would absolutely approve this application thank you Jonathan um yeah I I agree with everything that's already been said I will just add the one obviously that uh
you know the size of your property and that we've already determined that even if this deck didn't exist you would still be uh non conforming so I don't think that this really exacerbates the situation and I would be supportive of this thank you wand yeah I I don't
really have anything to add Miss B and thank you for uh taking the time to go through the application process uh sounds like you're kind of got your family kind of got jobed by the size of your lot in the first place so um and I'm happy to hear that uh the condition that you're probably going to do with
the stones and everything isn't a major one in the scheme of things so um all that being said that's all I really have to add thank you Alex um no nothing really to add at this time it all seems to me good luck with it Paul uh again
nothing really to add I would be in full support of Miss Portland you know if this passes for her and um again I I appreciate you know her going through this process and uh I hope you do take the easiest path as far as cost wise for you know rectifying uh I don't think so
any drainage problems or whatever I know and um I'd be in full support of this passing by thank you uh I also thank you for coming in and going through the process and it does take a time but uh it's well worth it because we don't want our our town to go crazy but everybody doing whatever
they want to do so thank you for going through the process uh I hope you don't tell everybody how terrible it was because it's not because you got somebody like Deb taking care of you uh tell me to tell Randy at raise time okay yeah sorry that was unprofessional of me wait I'm not
getting paid um but also your neighbors won't even notice much of it other than your de went down and went back up again so that that's great so there's no disturbance to the neighborhood other than you're now going to help direct water flow a little bit better which is good for everyone uh this looking
forward to approving this thank you I feel the same way I think the uh positives outweigh the negatives by far uh we are going to work on reducing that impervious by putting some sort of water mitigation in there whatever is the most
economical and best for that our engineer will work with you on okay thank you and um as everyone said it it's basically just replacing what's there unfortunately you have you happen to get caught up in the fact that your property was undersized and it does have
impervious coverage on it uh as most properties do so I would also be in favor of it um and thank you for coming uh before us because we like to see the people follow the ordinances and you know get our approval so that we can we
actually have an an idea and a knowledge of what's going on in these neighborhoods and we know that our water situation is not getting worse than it already is basically because we don't want to cause problems for other neighbors and other areas um okay uh
Steve yeah I could te it up a motion I have a motion to Grant uh variance relief both under the C1 undue hardship and the C2 benefits outweighing the detriments criteria uh alternative bases both being
satisfied for lock coverage 24.7% technically but effectively 23.7% versus 20% maximum submitted with all the stipulated two conditions including the comments in uh the
planners memo of February 11 specifically compliance with land use ordinance 136.28 uh as discussed subject to the review approval consultation and benefit
economically and otherwise uh of uh our board engineer Mr vo um and I believe that is it okay do I hear a motion to uh do I hear a move a motion to move that I'll move it second I'll second it okay call the people that
were eligible please and Mr Z will be voting in place of Mr yes so we have Mr Aron yes Vice chairman gr yes M Crawford Collins yes Mr Rosenberg yes Mr wats yes Mr yes and chairman gr
yes congratulations thank you good luck thank now now the adventure begins this the easy part thank you for your turn also well thank you appreciate that you can put that back in the SC she was looking for your change of
batteries again yeah right about that we don't do that once at least once a night we're not working yeah just leave it okay um the next applicant I must recuse myself uh I own property within 200 ft
so I am going to allow my trustworthy and uh quite capable um Vice chman to run the meeting did do we want to take a 5 minute break yeah can we take a two-minute break and then we'll start let let the uh let
the applicant set up and then just be e e e e e e e e
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application and we now have Vice chairman rosov as action chair thank you okay and the next uh application is 24 -25 Z Ronald Rodriguez um it is an application to
construct a first floor Edition and a garage addition to a single family residence and it's uh lock 13003 lot 14 in an R3 residence District I see that you're here are you
ready to be sworn in and before I do Mr chairman with your uh permission I did have an opportunity to review the uh notice found content to be sufficient found it to be timely served and published a published uh on either February 3rd 4th 5th Andor
6th all or any of which is fine uh more than 10 days in advance of this evening as well as uh certified mail uh on January 31 also at least 10 days prior to this evening so the notice was good and the board has jurisdiction to hear and decide the application uh with your
permission I'll swear in uh the applicant Witnesses witness expert witness in our board profession board planner uh will you all raise your right hand and you all are already have done so so you swear to God or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing
but the truth I do thank you all back to you Mr chairman all righty uh okay um can you tell us a little bit about the project and and why you're before us sure um so just real Qui this is Ronald
Rodriguez Ronald Rodriguez he's the homeowner my name's Alexander Rodriguez I'm a licensed architect in state New Jersey um I've been practicing architecture since uh 2005 um and I have my own Architecture Firm U AR Architects
at of Summit New Jersey and if I recall correctly you've been accepted as an expert in the field of architecture by landu Sports in the state of New Jersey correct that's correct yes okay by this boarded before uh no I've not appeared before this board this first time Union Union County at least cor I've appeared
before the city of Summit New Providence uh re most recently burrow of Bernardsville and okay and I believe I've seen you before at least some if not all of us so but I cannot personally attest I think the board will accept your testimony and and the chair will decide if you accept it as an expert and
the chair does okay wonderful thank you so much um so I'm just going to quickly kind of just run through uh the project do you guys have the drawings there um just I think um just wanted to last revised date on the drawing uh yes it's November
12th 2024 it should be the drawings that you guys have up there as well um just uh quickly just kind of go through uh the site plan I do want to mention uh that we are in an R3 lot um we are of undersized for our for this
Zone uh what's allow is 30,000 uh this particular lot is 177,000 so we're currently um undersized on that uh the variances that we are seeking um are mainly the sidey yard setback variances
uh currently what is required is 25 ft um and what uh so right now there is an existing non-conforming as far as the left side and the right side uh as far as those existing numbers it's 22 ft and 20.5 ft Fe um respectively on the left
and right um on the left side we are looking to reduce that down to 14 fet by um we wanted to increase the size of the existing onecar garage so currently on the left side of the house there's an
existing onecar garage uh we want to increase the size of that side of the house to a two-car garage uh we're not looking to make that garage um oversized the interior dimension of the garage is
about 1910 so we feel that that's a comfortable uh tocar garage um and by extending this an additional 8 feet out to the left side we're uh we're uh asking for a 14ot side yard setback on
the left hand side of the property um and then one of the other things that we're looking to do is just to increase the overall uh you know functionality of the house house currently it's an existing two-bedroom one bath house we're looking to make it three-bedroom
uh two Bath's house and by adding a one-story addition off the back the approximate size of that addition is 25 ft off the back 254 ft wide and we are if you look at the house when you first come in there is an open area
which automatically uh allows view towards the back and that's one of the things that the homeowner loved about the house when they first purchased it they didn't want to put the addition smack daad right in the middle of the property so we were looking to push it off to the right hand side where we're
providing uh this one this one bedroom with a walk-in closet um a primary bathroom as well and then we were also looking to put a laundry room up there currently their existing laundry room is down in the basement which they actually have to go out through the garage that's
where they have to access the stairs to the base B so their existing um access to the B to the to the basement they have to go out through the garage and then downstairs so they're trying they're looking to make the house more functional um so they don't necessarily have to go out into the cold of the
garage and then go downstairs where they can do their laundry on the first floor so that's kind of where the size of this addition came into play and again uh we're pushing it off to the right hand side um to allow the view and allow the
functionality of the backyard um so that right side side that right side sidey yard setback is about 16.5 ft um we're looking to uh conform to the loot coverage um currently it was at 15.8%
and we are looking to maximize the existing lot coverage to 20% so we're not looking to go over that existing percentage um where we feel that this addition is consistent with the house and the
neighbor it's currently a ranch we're not looking to do a two-story Edition we're keeping it a one-story Edition we're not looking to make it a twostory so we're keeping it consistent with the existing house and we feel that this has uh no negative impact for the
Neighbors any questions from the board after Bo I know this we're after our planner as well go go ahead oh yeah ask the the the
um either Mr Rodriguez I guess can answer but uh the uh I those who may have some interested part uh neighbors as well but on Chestnut Stree first of all you say to
the right that's the West because due north is the bottom of the page correct correct okay um so lot lot 13 I'm straining to the uh West immediate right yeah that would be lck 13 correct and do
you know where the home is located as well as the driveway the garage you know Etc on that side um do you know I I I didn't pay that much attention to to that neighbor to the right to the right
yeah and hour correct I don't think it's any do either of you know the approximate distance between uh the prop your property line the applicant's property line and the dwelling on lot 13 I do not have that
information no do either of you know the approximate distance between the property line on the East your easterly property line and the dwelling on lot 15 no I don't have that information so then I take it of you can
tell us well can either of you tell us uh uh whether that that would be the garage or whether it would be bedrooms or what would be located on the side of the home closest to your property line on either the east or the West are you familiar with the neighbors
to the left and to the right Ronald do you live there no we don't you don't live there we don't live there who lives there no it's baking there how is still baking it house they they're currently uh doing some construction right is it your intention to move in or to have someone else move in no we don't
we we got to move through that you're going to move in yeah we want to move to that okay okay um but you don't know how close the neighbor is or you don't know what you know is the garage on either side do you know H close say but well I don't want you to
guess 25 ft guess I believe me I know that I suspect you're we have the neighbors from at least one of the dwellings here so I'm I'm sure we the the intuitive uh the the uh that's fine then I'm going to pass it
back to either the chair or planner planner uh thank you um one there was the sidey um variances that are existing but they're getting uh they're being exacerbated they're getting closer on
both sides um but there's also a variance that you need for uh the proposed generator which is I have to admit there's like a kind of idiosyncrasy in our ordinance that requires that generators be a certain um
distance from the house which I think it is not practical but you still need you still need that variant um the one thing that I recommended to the board is that there are there's the proposed generator there's also I think hbac equipment
corre and in the side yard and that that be landscaped or um you know fenced or some combination of the two particularly I mean not only to your neighbors to this to to your sides but also um to
Shield it from the streets from the the from the Chestnut Street um but those were really my only two maybe we should just get those conditions would you would you be willing to do that willing to do so so either Mr
Rodriguez one speak to the other uh the the the um first of all uh you really don't have a choice you have to comply with the noise but um but and including the unnecessary noise ordinance chapter 1- 15.1 but uh we'll take it that you'll be complying
with that you're asking for offense or Landscaping is that is that the requirement yeah I think I personally think Landscaping is nicer but I think it could be some combination along to to Shield really that equipment I think by doing that you're also going to be
shielding the appearance of the uh addition of course right from the from the street so that's that's a help I think maybe once we hear from the neighbors there may be some uh the board might request additional landscaping or some sort of mitigation measures uh
along the side Lots lot lines too like you'll stipulate to landscaping for the uh AC yes or no yes okay would that be enough for sound mitigation well I I'm going to go back the the the we we can't wouldn't
necessarily but they have to comply with the ordinance njac 7 call 29 is the regulatory provision of the de the state level that determines noise uh uh uh the appropriate decibal levels DBA at night
from 10: p.m. to 7 a.m. and and 65 DBA is the maximum permitted decimal levels at the property line during the day 7 a.m. um but uh the um and all Municipal ordinances with respect to noise are to
be compliant with those uh with njac 7 call 29 and in order to be effective need to be approved by DP uh but uh uh and I'm sure ours has been the this and does so uh so they
have to comply with that and uh in compliance or just in the ordinary course if you will for all residents if somebody's making too much noise and someone's alerted to the fact that they might be making too much noise at the
township then uh we we have mechanisms by which they can be tested and make sure they're in compliance with the noise ordinance else there can be potential fines Etc um just an intercept that the landscaping and the fencing wouldn't really be for noise it might
help it's more Aesthetics ittig a little bit yeah I know we did that on an application about two or three years ago because the neighbor was complaining of the sight and the sound so we got the Landscaping stipulated to compliance with the noise
ordinance is required anyway but applicant knowingly stipulates the same did you have any other didn't have any I I really didn't I guess that's it on that yeah back to the chair yeah now where
were we um members of the board members of the board yeah I was going to ask a question about the proposed generator that you're planning on putting in as far as noise mitigation is concerned have you given any consideration to whether you're going to be doing a
liquid cooled generator or an air cooled generator because one makes more noise than the other um yeah we haven't gotten that far well if it's a consideration liquid cooled is usually more desirable only because when
it's when it's liquid cooled that absorbs more sound and vibration when it turns on and then the air cooled one because of the fans typically tend to make more noise um I don't know I think water cool tends to be more expensive but I do know
that usually when if if noise is a consideration in a more um condensed uh excuse me in a more dense n densely populated neighborhood I do know that the the um water cooled ones tend to make less noise okay we'll look into it
thank you couple questions Mr chair um so our going back to our ordinance is Rel relative to how far the generator is from the structure the house not how far it is from the neighbors right that's
correct and and I think it it just doesn't make sense right that it's it's 10 ft required and but but we don't have any requirement for it could be right up on the line on the on the well it's an accessory structure it's accessory structure yeah I mean there would be
requirements wait it's 10 ft from the property line oh it's 10t from the principal building I think yeah from the principal building and then from the side and rear y it's both it's this is 5T from the principal building but more than 10 ft from the
property line correct it's about 13 gotcha okay yeah um and I see I think there's an existing fence on the is it the West Side whatever I think is there is your plan to take that fence down are you going planning to replace that fence
put a new one okay and I don't know what is the fence it's a wood fence now or it is Warfare now and we're trying to pull a uh sorry can you can you speak it to the mic in a little we're not going to P the
the the uh the plastic uh PC the PVC like a like a six foot high or whatever six six foot high and that's just replacing the in in kind where the existing fence is or do you plan to extend it correct further
it's going to be just yeah go around around the and but the other side of the house there is is it go all the way around the property go around the the the whole property okay and it back those are my only questions you said that fence was going to be 6 foot 6 foot
Dad what's our ordinance for fences in the front yard side rear front yard has to be 4et yeah is it 4 feet mm yeah front front plane of the house so but that would be extending forward from the front of the house right
anything behind the front edge of the house extending forward to the front plane of the house has to be 4T unless you br variance but uh and anything from side front PL side back can be 6 fet okay will is he will he comply with the
four no that's fine okay than any additional questions Andy oh no no okay any questions from the public [Music] yes thank you welcome to the
neighborhood thank you um uh please be morning well for questions you don't have to be but you do have to give us your name and address yes I'll do and and you don't need to tell us from which university you in alumni actually it's my son this is what he gave me so
anyway my just go ahead name and address and then questions of the either witness uh my name's Keith deao I live at 451 Chestnut Street so we're the house to the right of 441 so you are lot 13 is that what it
is west yeah we're on the west side you're facing the house from yeah we're on the right side yeah right the generator side that's right I was picking up on that yeah I saw the diagrams nice work and welcome to the neighborhood again and I really applaud your effort to want to improve the
property it's been in a lot of disrepair for years we've been here 25 years so we've seen it kind of deteriorate so my concern is get do you have a question oh um well the question really is and it's
a concern too is where the where're the Downs slope h of the on the property so what if with that if the chair doesn't mind I'll I'll swear you in you could ask questions that make comments at all all right go for it please raise your right hand you swear to God a affirm testimony you're about to give us the truth whole truth nothing but the truth
I do thank you please proceed with questions and comments okay so what is being so we're downhill right so um I noticed there's a slope you're going to be there's a it's kind of a semi steep slope I guess if you will we didn't have any problems with any water running off
water flow problems in the because there were a lot of bushes around the sides but those are all gone now so is there anything specific that you're going to do to make sure the water storm water is you know trafficked away from our
house um and make you know push towards the towards the U the road or in the back so yes so we're going to provide um we would be providing gutters um on on the okay um and then as Ronald just
stated the idea is to bring towards towards the front of the house okay so they'll be so they'll come down and then the back one will come down and then be directed towards the front correct okay all right does that make sense the front to where so they'd be
facing north the gutters the it would but if the gutters are going towards the street that would mean the gutters would be the spout would be going heading north but is that a down slope well the way it's today is it's going
down and it's going into a uh I don't know little Basin area you know one of those concrete catch Bas yeah um but I don't know I I'm assuming you they take a hole and then uh you know so and then
run PVC valve pipe underneath to and then I guess connect to the front connect to the front um gutter so they kind of join together and then just flow out okay when you say flow out do we know where
that exits is it going to a a sewer is it going to a dryw do you know where the where the water the property I mean it because we actually have something like this on on on the same side actually and uh it we've
actually dug a little opening um on the you know if you're looking out to the road we've dug a little opening with uh the PVC valve is I mean valve piping is exposed so the water's running pushing towards the front coming down from the
back from our sun room gutter as well as the living room gutter so they adjoin and then they go towards the front isn't it is it joining the sewer out front no not at all it's just going right into the ground and just flowing in I don't think they're allowed to tie in okay
yeah no no that's a good question though I don't know what they did 40 years ago yeah Now's the Time to ask so right no I know exactly what you're saying but there's there's no connection to the Sewer at least from what I've what we put in so so it it just disperses under
right right but it keeps the water away from the house and and and it it's working really well actually so if theyed something similar to your setup as a condition with that that would make sense devate your concerns assuming that is up to code and you know absolutely Stu yeah I think would be
great is that something the applicant can agree to subject to the review and approval of our engineer absolutely okay confirm that it's a minor development not subject to the storm water exempt from storm water management
uh requirements but uh but nevertheless uh I'm sure the board appreciates it because there's additional coverage even though it's under the lot coverage uh just under the max walk um there was something else I had
any other question yeah um do you have anything yeah come on up uh what was mine again I had another one oh so there is a fence on the left side obviously is there any plans to put a fence on the right side all right
around around the back okay is that a separate variance required because I didn't see that plans if I may not please correct me from wrong Liz but uh not if he stays within the six foot on the rear and side and four foot on the
front yard maximum Heights for the fence uh and uh I assume they'll be on or about at the property lines not over and approach we don't have any requirement for 50% open or anything like that right no so you could go right up to the
property line okay I just wanted yeah okay and what kind of fence were you guys thinking of putting in okay so a white fence okay all right fence kind of like the white picket fence
concept um okay is is there a timeline you're thinking about that or is that because I didn't see any of that in the plan so it sounded like it need you know I didn't know if it was an add-on later Dawn or or I think it' probably be you as the construction moves along that's something end of the project that we're
looking okay that so how far would the fence go from from the back corner the property all the way to how far forward just around the back oh just around the back just around the back okay okay all
right I can go up right and if we could just have your name as well Margaret deania 451 Chestnut shirling and uh you know what I can swear you in that way you can make comment yeah I just have a question for the board but
swear me um because I I think I just want to verify that there's no uh there's no distance from the property line no um limit on that because it's an undersized lot so they're building out
closer to our house and there's nothing there there's no problem with that maybe Liz and I can explain Mr there are side yard setback there are setback deviation there are setback regulations for front rear and both
sides uh and as I understand it Li well correct me if I'm wrong the sidey yard sidey yard setbacks are 25 ft uh from each East and West uh and uh existing are already closer than that
the encroach all the existing dwell encroaches less than that and proposal is to encroach a little further in each Direction because as you can see on the plans uh the one edition is completely on the side for the second
car of the current one car proposed twocc car garage and the other is a rear addition but it encroaches further into the side yard on your side the I think western side uh such that uh on the East
the addition for for the garage would be 14 ft not 25 ft away from that property line and on on your side so to speak it would be 16.5 versus 25 ft on your side so they have pre-existing encroachments into
each sidey setback they're ask that's why they're here they're asking for variance relief for more I guess in part because instead of going up they're going in part out um and uh so hence there's those two deviations and variances that seeking uh and also the
generator according to our ordinance is required to be at least 10 ft from their dwelling uh they're not going as far away from their dwelling they're going a little closer so as frankly if they went 10 ft I believe they'd be a couple of feet uh violating the accessory
structure side yard setback so they're avoiding doing that by keeping it the generator a little closer to the their own dwelling those are the three deviations the three variances they're seeking okay probably more than you asked for but no I just wanted to
because I it just seems like it's a small property and you know they're allowed to get a lot closer to our house well they only if the relief is granted I think they've argued already that one of the issues is the lot might be under
sized right um might even be uh narrow in that it's 100t wide as opposed to 150 ft wide which is the uh uh the par parameters for lot width uh
minimum lot width in the in the zone so they're probably arguing some of those things as to why they think they should be a little allowed to be a little closer than they're otherwise allowed councilor may I also add this uh you may have heard Mr Mario that they're going to put a six foot fence up so that's
going to be on your property line regardless of where exension is on on the house so I mean unless you can over the 6 foot doesn't make too much of difference I you know I'm not trying to tell you how to feel just I'm trying to El
some yeah but but you're entitled to continue to question as well as to make a comment in opposition if that's your position I mean I just to the variant relief yeah I I would be happier if the addition was not jutting out if it was
farther to the left I didn't really understand the whole thing about the view and I guess that's why it's more to the right yeah so I don't know if there's anything that can done I actually that's my feeling I wanted to follow up on that actually so yeah you do jet out by four
feet off the off the back right and so as I see it right now you have on the rear you have your dining room living room bedroom across the rear so and then I guess there's something else there so the the the view to the back existing
the existing um issue the existing structure where is where are those windows there's no windows in the bedroom in the existing bedroom to the back no there there is so so this back right is that the one so there is an existing window there that'll be closed
off that's going to be closed off um and then you know that windows to the neighbor that's going to remain um but the one window is the view that we want to keep are the the windows in the living room dining room kitchen which are those existing views there so but
you are cut you are kind of encroaching into the living room by a certain percentage there for the hallway right in order to create the hallway to get you know to get access into the bedroom you know cuz again you know you see you see where the two bedrooms are there's
the two bedrooms and the bathroom you know we weren't we weren't going to reduce the size of those bedrooms to kind of create a hallway so you know we we reduced our view by about four P um and then from there created a hallway to get back access to the bedrooms um and
then we created you know the primary Suite um and then you know just in order for us to get all the functions in there the walk primary bathroom so so from the the wall the uh the new wall for the uh
addition moving I guess that's East um along the back is all of that going to be Windows correct so from the wall all the way to I guess wherever the door is to the patio I guess correct yep exactly that's South yeah but moving I'm saying
moving east across the rear end of the of the property so how many feet of window I guess would you say that is can you tell us um well there there's that one patio door that's about an 8ft patio door um
so then we probably have about 10 a window approximately okay and the I assume it's a window door right and then also just just real quickly just going back to the elevations you can see you can see that rear elevation where we
have the patio door and then we have and again just trying to keep that view from from the living room everything so there's no view in the new edition on the back is that what you're say there's no window there looking into the back with the
addition that you're putting in so yes so this is this is the addition okay so there are windows there would be some but you're pushing it out because you want to keep the other view I correct I understand that now exactly keep the window PA that was one of the things that
attracted them to house to begin with yeah so so again I'm not saying this is what I'm recommending but if you were to push the addition back to be so that it it's it's it's you 4 feet to the east you're saying you would lose half of the window
space because you're saying I think you said it was a 10 feet or 8T of window I think you said 10 approximately you know 8 foot for the sliding and about 10t window okay so you'd lose about 40% of the of the window that you would if you pushed it that okay and if I may Mr chairman and just
to remind the board and everyone uh that even if it were flush in other words were four if if the addition were moved four feet to the east or shrunk four feet either way uh they would still need
a a a sidey yard setback uh variants relief because they are extending horizontally I got it right extending horizont public school education comes in handy extending
horizontal horizontally the existing uh encroachment into the sidey guard set but it wouldn't be when we go up or back uh with an existing encroachment into a setback that requires variant relief in and of itself
but this is an exacerbation as well I'm sorry yeah no and just one more so the bathroom that's being added is there is a window facing to the West correct yes there is okay y would and I I know there was um Mr too
I guess you mentioned that there was used to be um bushes bushes on that side pine trees okay is that something that I mean is that something that would be amable to I guess the I'm just throwing things out
there does that for more privacy or is that something I just asking if that's a consideration on either side is there a proposal for any perimeter Landscaping if I mean yeah I guess that's the question not at the not at the moment it was it was just the fence the six foot fence that was going to be going along
there and just just kind of there there were I guess number of trees and shrubs right where the addition is going to go and then I think Ronald has has taken them down already okay um so that's that's where the is there any ex if I
may is there any existing perimeter Landscaping I guess perhaps all four of you could speak to that but but for now we'll start with the the the applicant as witness no none okay so you're proposing the fence but there's no
existing land escaping on the perimeter if if we were to approve this would that be something you'd be willing to put Landscaping on that side whether it's shrubberies or something yes I mean I guess I mean he's saying you know we are but I guess once we put the fence up
then you know is I I'm just I'm just I'm just throwing it out there I don't know you know you know I guess my thought is you know once the fence goes up well could also be a beautification thing I don't know you know if it's that's issue but I'm sure it's going to be a very nice looking uh propert you know it
looks like and as your neighbor has uh testified to it's going to be an improvement over what's there obviously because whatever is there I'm sure is an isore so and just just kind of real quick you know obviously just you know a functionality as far as the property is
concerned you know as far as you know the homeowners are concerned they're going to have more use for the center of their property you know they're not really going to have more use for that the property you know so even if that even if that even if we went back to the 20 foot Dimension what they're not
really going to use that and Edge of the property you know so all the more reason for it to be landscaped I mean because I would say just just to counter what you said yes six feet for a fence is going to do something but trees grow right and so
they'll be above six feet and so I I think it would be a nice uh mitigation to provide some some trees along there and and I guess it depends on on the Landscaping because when I when people said Landscaping I was thinking of
smaller bushes right not necessarily the tall right but I but I think maybe some some Evergreens or something like that because you are up against a closet so that's good because there's no windows on that side um so I think you know what
I'm saying so the Landscaping along that wouldn't be obstructing any views out from the interior of the house and uh I think something like Evergreens that would grow taller than the six feet could be help wouldn't be B would would that be uh uh would the request because
the applicant will decide what if anything they stipulate to but would the request be one side the other both what would be the it's only one side showed up yeah maybe ask at he's on the other
side tiny bushes on the other side well I don't want to divide people any more than they might already be I have a question too because you know when I was looking at this plan I was like thinking to myself the size of the closet is is quite large however I
did have to take into consideration the fact that you're trying to keep in with the the aesthetic of the neighborhood and not build up so you take advantage of you don't have the benefit of having an attic so that closet also doubles his storage space too I'm assuming because
it looks quite large yeah I mean nowadays for today's standard that's kind of what people are you they want a big closet yeah they're looking for a nice you know walk closet you know and this sounds sort of oldfashioned but there there is
presently a basement on for the house is it a dirt basement or is it like a concrete basement you can it's concrete you can walk down but they got accesses through the garage okay okay um the one concern that I have in looking at the plan it says new air conditioning units so right now there
was never any air conditioning in this house right I think there probably there are I think there is one existing acing going two Zone yeah is that Central layer yeah okay okay so I mean
my concern is is that you know you you have a generator there you have two AC condensers there you know and and they're fairly close usually AC units are close to the house anyway I'm wondering is is there any precedent for the the generator being so close to the house do we normally go with something
like that and and what I'm what I'm concerned about is that you're you're you're then looking at a at a a fence there right and you were talking about a PVC fence I'm assuming is that like a privacy PVC fence or is that be an open PVC PVC fence because I don't want to have like an echo chamber be created in
there with all this heavy equipment running and and gener some sort of you know additional noise which kind of goes to the the Landscaping to a certain extent it might act as a bit of a muffler there one f is proposed is the
question solid solid PVC okay maybe a little Greenery will help knock down some of that sound for you again there's going to be either a stipulation or an imposition of the condition with respect to Landscaping I
got to know what it is so is it one side the other both rear you know with reasonable Evergreen subject to review and approval board planner where where is it right the the one thing I'll note is along the garage
side it's a little more difficult because there are windows from the garage and so in terms of what windows windows out where and then that's what I was saying about uh the west side is that it's it's up against a closet there
are no window so um I that's why I thought it would it's an appropriate place for landscaping so we're saying West Side only I mean we ask that I'm saying yeah I I would I mean I think the board can ask for whatever it wants right but I
would think that maybe some Arbor VY or something along the west side de won't it is that something the applicant would stipulate to some deer resistant arboring de resistant and uh we can have
a review approval of board Planner yeah is that acceptable to the applicant and I suspect it might be acceptable to the Westside neighbors uh yes uh question for you uh since there has been no uh Landscaping plan uh you
are planting planning to put some plantings in the front of the house as well right okay I assume so I have a request or actually it's not necessary for you guys it's um so they they did a property survey and I can't
seem to locate my my original one I'm wondering should I just get another one done just to kind of match up and make sure everything's cool you that really would no Guidance the board will allow me that's really not the board to okay so it's my decision then okay yeah I was
just curious cuz yeah just I mean it's more of a proactive measure it's not questioning anything it's technically all the board can do like a jury if you will for lack of a better analogy is hear this application and decide whether to Grant or with conditions or deny okay
that's fine thank you and then one last thing I think there was a comment or question about what was on the right side of our house oh you uh I guess you can answer I guess with the chair's permission whether it's your garage your bedrooms your whatever it's G two-car
garage Garage on that and the driveway leading into it not on the same side on the right side or you know further west uh so if I'm looking at my house it's the garage is on the right side so the I think the question is what's closest to this oh that's the sun room
and um living room house and yeah the main dwelling got you yeah that was okay I misunderstood the question okay yeah that's we have a sun room patio there yeah if it were your garage on that side maybe it' be that's of a concern for you
it's not it's your main living are yeah do you know the the neighbor on the other side do you know what's on that part of their house NE bordering this property on the the left side yeah your neighbor they that well there's a lean
to actually um G the GRE house there's like a yeah that's why he's recused you're talking about the the east side right yes correct okay yeah it's like a lean to driveway okay we don't care
about I think is there is there a garage there too it's a garage but it's not a cover you know it's like carport carport it's like yeah that's a better way to describe it yeah on that on that on the left side on their right side their left side got yeah your left
side so actually that's a pretty good match then I guess two garages on one you yeah gotcha any other questions no question covered everything I I guess I have one more on the generator is is the reason to put the generator there because it's adjacent to where the air
conditioning and and those or is like I I don't know just to keep all the exterior uh units together to to um one of the comments we got earlier um air cooled versus water cooled sounds like water cooled might make more sense given
the fence and causing an echo chamber would you be I think you already answered it but would you you would be amenable to a water cooled generator okay thank you they have anything else anything
else any final questions nope thank you for your time nice to see you look forward to getting to know you guys y y thank you oh yeah I've been meaning to stop
by all right thank you allk good night you can stay decision if you want deliberating I think we're about to do that surely are if there's no I guess there's no other public there so we uh if we're closing the hearing you and I take it the applicant has
nothing further close it to the public the uh I can uh well why don't I Tee It Up in the board of which way we're going to go the uh relief saw again on the east side yard setc is 14
ft versus 25 ft minimum required on the West Side yard setback it's 16.5 ft versus 25 ft minimum required uh and the generator set back to the dwelling uh minimum required is generally well is 10
ft but uh this is proposed to be only 5 ft from the subject dwelling uh those are the three variances at issue whether you find that they're Satisfied by the C1 undue hardship the C2 benefits outweigh the detriments or neither uh
you will decide I have the conditions as stipulated to by or on behalf of the applicant uh to be those items set forth in the planner report of February 11 uh as well as uh stipulation to use liquid
cooled uh uh air uh air conditioning generator generator yeah why don't I think it was a okay liquid cool generator um the uh uh well the the the fencing will be compliant uh as
proposed uh and uh the gutters uh for the additions uh will bring uh storm water runoff to the front of the house and direct towards Chestnut Street uh subject to the review and well it's not going to be subject really to our
Engineers review and approval I guess um but because it's a minor development um and the Westside y the Westside property line uh will have deer resistant Arbor Arbor
arbide Jesus Christ and the the uh uh and related and Associated uh Shrubbery and landscaping for screening purposes and softening uh uh visually subject to the review and approval of our board
planner and those are all the conditions did you get the um Landscaping along the uh the outdoor Mechanicals okay I left that out my apologies yes and also landscape screening I guess that was in the memo but landscape screening for the outside
uh outdoor mechanical units I guess both the air conditioning both air conditioning units and the generator uh all as stipulated so if it were a motion to Grant it'd be all that if it was a motion to deny it would be unconditional I I have a question I know
there was talk of the fence uh is the fence in the plan or is it no I I don't think so right you didn't show the proposed fence do we need to stipulate to the fact that they're putting a fence in it'd be it'd be a it' be a solid
fence uh compliant with the six foot rear yard uh and and there we actually permit 8T in the side and rear so just I would say that they compant with the ordinance uh solid fencing uh and it
would be at least uh both side yards and rear yard rear yard yes okay oh that time is over and otherwise it's for someone to uh make a motion either to Grant or deny
and go from there well we deliberate you could deliberate as well that's this board doing so uh Meredith can I impose upon you okay um well I think what you proposed looks great I mean I think it's a general an overall
Improvement to I um you know looked at those photos and it looks like that properties's you know been neglected for some time um so I would imagine that you know any uh Improvement to the existing structure is you know beneficial um I think to attaching uh
accommodating from one car now to a two-car garage is you know realistic and versatile uh and desirable I think it um you know it's certainly going to um you improve your resale resale value whether that's in 20 or 30 or 40 years um I do
think to that the uh generator installation you you've shown some amenability as far as um the consideration to a water cooled um uh uh liquid coil generator um they do I think Believe last longer because when you
don't have the U fans constantly turning when you use water obviously they they have a um they last longer because you don't have to deal with fans wearing out over time um uh I do think that you uh uh showed some Aman ability as well as
as far as the aesthetic screening of landscaping which I think will you know certainly improve the way that the existing property looks I think it'll be to the benefit of your neighbors as well um I think you had also said too this is presently a two-bedroom one-b property
and uh going from three bedrooms to two bathro certainly sounds like you know something that's feasible and certainly needed I don't know how big your family is but um I think that's a um you know a realistic desire to want to impr improve the size and make it more
functional um two I think you you've um you've been receptive to about the addition of G and the PBC valve running uh underground uh towards the street uh which is what your
neighbor has uh uh disclose that he he has presently and something that you're uh open to doing and uh you know I we've any questions it is that I've had you know you've answered um you've um you
know been fully disclosing I think that you've um you know kept an open line of conversation and and uh you know provided that the parameters of what we've discussed this evening are are met and and uh held to I I would approve this
application um Randy how about you yeah um just cutting to the chase I I would vote to approve as well um appreciate the me the your neighbors coming to give us their questions and concerns um understanding that the property is going 4 feet closer to yall uh uh to your your
house um hopefully the four at least four things um the conditions that it sounds like are going to be part of this um will help mitigate that those four feet extra um but again you know someone's going to leave somewhat disappointed here I guess so again it's
what just one of those situations but do want to thank you for taking the time to come today um and it sounds like we're doing everything else uh that we need to do to for me anyway to be comfortable voting yes to this so thank you for your guys presentation and uh best of luck moving forward to
everyone thank you Jonathan yeah I I think you know I agree with what has already been said I would also say that while um you know there is an additional encroachment I think we've you you've worked with us to try to amarate that I
think also you know to some extent it sounds as if this property has been um really kind of in disuse or or I don't even know if it was been occupied but in and not not well-kept so I think that the you know
what you're doing here will add to the aesthetic of the neighborhood and I I appreciate you working with us and I'd be supportive of this application okay Alice yeah I uh want to thank you for coming tonight and being open to the suggestions of the board I
appreciate the uh concerns of the res the nearby residents um anytime that we get a property that comes in that is in need of prepare and somebody's putting their heart and so into doing what you're doing is a benefit to the town as a whole so um I'm I appreciate that and
thankful for that um and and my biggest concern as I mentioned was the impact on the sound and the impact of the of the neighbors of the of the heavy equipment that's going in there that you know wasn't there before really and and now is so keeping that in mind as you go forward is important and appreciate you
being open to our our suggestions where that's concerned so I would definitely be an approval of the uh application thank you thank you Paul um I think he did a great job tonight presenting uh the improvements to the house um I appreciate going through this process I
know it's a long and uh takes a long time and a lot of extra money also and um I think uh you put some time and concern into again not putting it your traditional MC Mansion up you you know went with a ranch just kept it a ranch to fit in with the neighbors in the neighborhood and I think the house will
look great and when you're all done and I'm full support of it and uh thank you good luck thank you thank you I will Echo the sentiments of the board and uh especially helpful was your neighbors coming in and welcoming you to the
neighborhood before we even got through all of this so they were very wide openminded and you'll be lucky to have good neighbors like that and I I will be voting to the affirmative thank you and and the GS too but oh the things the G said
off the motion motion uh yeah can I get a motion to approve based on stipulation so moved I'll second that okay and uh Mr zy will be voting in place and
for M chairman GCT and Mr White will be voting in place and for Mr R so we have motion made Mr Rosenberg yes Mr Watts yes M Crawford Collins yes Mr sosy yes Mr White yes and vice
chairman acting chairman BR yes thank motion carries thank you congratulations congratulations Good Luck Good Luck welcome to the town good night guys good night'll any old business or new
business NOP big one coming up we got a big one coming up big one coming up bring your family bring your friends come on come on down bring your frosties commun with me so we can make sure we have seven voting members here
okay everybody was here so well s SC yeah I think Miss cord you already said you were you will not be available yeah motion to adjourn motion to adjourn please motion to adjourn no that
is favor say e for