any docents here good to get in yep all right all right stand by 5 4 3 2 1 good evening and welcome to the February 12th
2025 meeting of this Middle School building committee um this meeting is being held in person and remotely pursuant to uh Mass regulations on open
meetings um we will start with calendar update yeah there's oh first off we do not see anybody in the attendance is there anybody on phone that has any public comments invite all right is everybody on the phone part of your
team probably let's see um Brian is Greg Nicole for is principal who there Carissa who's Greg link oh I'm part of the uh um sustainability Committee just joining in
the public okay Greg no problem just uh seeing who's out there and if you have any questions thanks and thanks for being here okay thank you yeah all right I think we're all good then minutes minutes
minutes uh there should be let me check your packet see if there's some minutes to approve hey Josh sorry later problem and just for roll call purposes Josh is
here Chris is here David's here armen's here Marty's here from a voting perspective and then Chrissa and Julie I see you online is that correct yep yeah awesome like to make a motion to approve
the minutes from the Wednesday December 11th 2024 meeting of the Middle School building committee there's a motion I I wasn't here so so just would vote abstain no I'm list as president on the minutes oh oh okay sorry as amended as
amended thank you as amended is there a second second any discussion second all right move to vote uh Marty yes Josh yes Chris
David yes Julie yes sorry no problem Chris I mean not Chris Carissa yes this one's going great tday an armit is yes whether we are or animous so now to the calendar yes we
can go through schedule all right so for for the folks that are here I just hand out schedule that's in the packet there um and then part it's should be in the presentation one of the first slides that go about that in one
second all right now we're on board there we [Music] go so as Marty's pulling up the schedule so as everyone knows we're in the schematic design phase of the project where we're moving along with the design details still gathering information from
the district um and the next Milestone on our um schedule here is for the SD cost estimates and that is where we will develop our project scope and budget and that's the number that we will bring to
um the town vote that's the the budget number that we will proceed with um so that is going to start happening March 3rd uh we have through the 21st by the time we do the estimate and then we do estimate uh we do two estimates so JW a
is using PMC and we are using um am frogy who's the they're both cost estimators that's all they do um so do do the cost estimates B based off the SD drawings and then what we'll do is we'll all come together the two estimators and then the districts invited will be there
uh to walk through to make sure that the scope is accurate on both ends and then we're looking at quantities and and pricing and all those types of things to come up with a a reconciled estimate at the end um so it's a pretty big milestone for the project uh but that is going to be our
next uh Milestone and that's why jwa is working so hard to get all these information and get all the meetings that they've been doing and try and get them going so they can uh get this estimate together so we can uh work with the estimators to get this uh number together what do you typically see in terms of the the difference in the
estimates is are they usually within you know just percentage points of each other or in the beginning they're pretty far not very far apart but what we do in that reconciliation meeting is we close that Gap so that we all are in agreement and then we take an average between the
two um but to tell your percentage it it differs um on Project to project on Project to project and kers as our project manager is ultimately responsible for that reconciliation yeah so we'll run the reconciliation meeting we have um ta she
was you may not remember but she was in our interview um way back when she does all like the msba accounting uh she's worked with Chad on the ProPay system those types of things but she'll be there to she's in the background um doing other numbers in the back as we're
kind of walking through it the two estimators again are going back and forth on um you know quantities and price per square foot those types of things what they're seeing in real time the the importance of this estimate is this is what goes to the msba for the project scope and budget agreement so it
does lock in their budget with what's eligible ineligible and what the grant will be so it's um it's important that we we take the the time necessary to do this and and get it as accurate as possible um so that's basically where we are in the schedule right now if there's any
questions on schedule um the only question I have about schedule is I got a call the other day and I was just making sure we're all on the same page that there's different like IND dates f around there so I would
just from a inate perspective as far as a building completion well no um when we're going for the vote oh yes so in the past three days I've had three different people tell me September October and November and I said all are possible Right we've been
trying to say the the fall of 2025 so yeah sorry Josh yeah I can speak to that a little bit we're going to talk about it more at our uh March 10th meeting okay uh with the select board and Ian can uh I can't remember what Lyn told me not to talk about what to talk
about so we we've been going back and forth because I I think I had some questions on what if there needed to be one vote first and um because we have to vote on the approval of the bonding and we have to vote on the override and
those are different things and uh maybe Ian will know better than me but we ran it by Town Council to figure out if one need to be first and I I think the answer is no and so we're going to strategize a bit uh the select board on
what which should be first okay uh and and the timing on that but we do have there's some weird things on uh because it has to be a special election and and and we need to game out when we need to have the special town
meeting as well because if we wait until the uh special to meeting that we always have it'll be too late right right right okay no that's fine like I said I think it wasn't from you by by way I'm not like well I don't know the answer either yeah yeah yeah so I'm just saying like I
had a few phone call phone call on people stopping me a big one like hey I heard September I'm like I can't really say yes or no so work in progress as far we have a meeting Wednesday night it's telis tune in y I think we said at a meeting a selectboard meeting it'll
probably be September okay so that's probably where that came from but uh that kind of prompted further soul searching on our part so okay that's awesome to know yeah I think I know for the last time when we did it we did the town
meeting vote first and then we had the ballot vote but if whatever the whatever it is it is I mean yes because you have to have both of them so it's a matter of which one do you think and with electronic voting now there's no like raising your hand it's like see who's
voting anyway so I mean it shouldn't really matter all right sorry no that's okay I was down so if there's any questions on schedule besides that no okay moving on what CMR scoring is next yeah so we have um so there's
two objectives here one is to establish a selection committee for um the CM at risk um process so to select a um the construction manager um so the process is very similar to how you guys selected
an OPM and then the selection of a designer it's a very similar process you create a subcommittee um and that's consistent of one person from the design team one person from the OPM and at least two from the district um so I
would like three from the district if possible yeah it's it has to be only at least any you can have as many you know I would suggest Chris David and Marty unless anybody has objections can I have a motion I'll move we uh appoint unless
somebody else wants to serve as well and we could have more but nobody's jumping at it so I would assume I would I would entertain a motion I'll Mo we appoint uh Marty OA Crystal hre and Dav mcgrain to be the uh
oh does what is it so they're the um they'll be part of the sele CM selection committee on the districts behalf construction manager selection committee uh for the district we have a motion is there a second second there's a motion there's a
second this calls for a roll call Marty yes Mr L yes Chris yes David yes Carissa yes Julie yes Haron yes you didn't miss I
didn't miss anybody right no good all right question on that is is does the um selection committee bring back a recommendation to the building committee or is that a sort of typically yes you you'd bring it you you'd make your
recommendation back to the building committee and they' approve that that recommendation yeah so it be the same thing we'll have a scoring sheet and we'll go through the scoring sheet as a a large group as a full committee and then you Bas your your recommendations off of your findings cool do we know who would be from you guys yet would it be
you probably it will be me yep yep jwa what do you guys we have arm wrest who do you think will win in arm wrestling Dory there's no doubt so the next piece is um I just a quick question on that don't ask me why
I'm concerned about this but uh you had a note on the bottom about uh being challenged that this determination uh so there it's not a it's not necessarily the cheapest the lowest it's who we think will be best because they are bound by the price correct okay yep yeah
so what you do is you'll go through the RFQ which is um qualification process and then they're going to submit their proposals and then we have interviews and all that so the the qualifications is going to be who you want to short list so if we got five or six we'll
short list them down to say three and then they're going to submit proposals and it's not based off those proposals it's based off of qualifications and you know but you're allow you can look at everything as a whole okay rough timeline or time frame for
the work of for Chris Dave and I when when will this happen so what we can so I put together if we want to start so I didn't I just put together if we wanted to start you know a couple weeks from now it would bring us out till April essentially um when we break
when and so what I have in RFQ is that um we're going to go through the process but we're not going to actually issue a notice to proceed until we actually get approval for the project obviously so does Chad have to advertise this for us yeah so I'll have to work with Chad we'll have to advertise it um so
essentially it's you know we we advertise it the following week it'll release um and then you know it's a couple weeks until the rfqs are due and then that's when we take those couple weeks or a week probably to go through the qualification looking at them um and
then from there we'll schedule interviews so I put some rough dates together that I can share with chat afterwards um if we want to start soon we could also wait you know another couple weeks we're not in a a huge huge rush to to do it but um I would like to
have the whole process done by the time you know well before we actually go to vote well there's only three of you so you guys can communicate together email without breaking over meeting law that the the only precursor to that is it's in the in inspector General's office right now for approval which is that he
has up to 90 days to act on that and he's had it for two weeks so okay it's typically not an issue but just but we still want to go through the pro you don't want to wait you you're allowed to start this whole process we'd rather have this the construction manager like ready to go once we get yeah cuz we'll
have the inspector generals okay and then we'll have the town vote we just want to make sure we have them already lined up so as soon as we get that we're like here you go and we get started with them the only other question I think and I don't know if we talk talk about this before is can they join the project earlier like like if we know who it is
we select them maybe not getting paid but would they attend meetings and get more knowledgeable so we would have to have a conversation with them if that's going to be something that we want to do um we wouldn't so if you bring them in early what the benefit is sometimes is if they do the estimate but there's not
enough time to do all that to bring somebody in and then have them do the estimate piece of it but if you wanted somebody there you know a month before Town boot you could we could always you know talk and say Hey you know we could you know talk with them and see if they're willing to do that on
a good faith effort or however we want to break it out all right thanks yep um and that page there Marty just so we do want to just I don't know if anyone's gone through the RFQ I know it's a long document but essentially these are the
main points that we're looking at that we're going to be doing qualifications on uh scroll that just a little bit so it's based off points that we're doing and um so we have prior similar project experience quality of references and relevant projects the management team
and organization of the for the project uh quality of their executive summary if they had a litigation or performance history uh financial status their safety record uh sustainable construction experience so those are all based um off a points and you know prior uh similar
project experience has the most points um so we're going to going to be looking through all those doing reference checks because we want to make sure that we're bringing somebody on who's you know who does CM work who's worked with the msba who does school work um they've done middle schools in the past we're going to be looking at all that and then checking the references and see how they
performed uh but this is this is one of the pages that's in there this is kind of what we're looking at in a summary of um their qualifications and so Mar for the what I put in here is the qualifications are going to be mailed to you okay um or to
your office and then I put for my name but they'll come here so that way everything comes to one spot yeah and then somebody could just check them in because they'll have to be in by a certain day and time okay so as long as somebody can stamp them once they come in yeah um that'll work perfect got it I
missing anything no no um so that that'll be the RFQ any questions comments all right Dory design update Christian who's doing it
Dory I think we are you guys again nice I think we're starting with me on talking about the plan revision so I was looking back it's actually been a while since this group is seeing the plans uh We've uh we handed hard copies out to you um we've been meeting every two
weeks with the district uh leadership team educational team to review the plans and revise um a lot of great input it's been a really wonderful District to work with with tremendous amount of focus on educational experience and and a
coordination of uh what will be um The Ultimate Experience for students and teachers in the school uh to give you again the overview of where we are um I we had decided this this General concept was already here that we would have
these um different parts um stretching from the south to the north different forms that help to S bring the scale of the building down and be sure we get good daylighting into the academic experiences so where we have landed is at the sixth grade starting on the the
the the first plan which is a just real quick just as a perspective on the bottom of the screen is William Street essentially yes so people looking at it orientation North is up that's easy we like it that way but it makes it very awkward to put on a piece of paper that you're looking at horizontally so it
works best if you spin it um so the first block of rooms is the sixth grade Wing um so you have two teams the school is breaking uh it your 665 students into uh um two teams per
grade so sixth grade has a team a team B and it's it's organized in such a way they have four core classrooms for each team and then the science classrooms we've now decided to place at the end of that bar so that that is all one contiguous neighborhood we're not showing Furniture here but the the
reason you have that more generous Corridor area so that there's a common space that those students um can interact and actually use as sort of breakout space from the classroom um uh also plan South is the admin wing and entry and the main entrance is right
here at the very bottom of the page that would be you'll see we'll get to site plans but that's essentially facing the visitor parking area and the Bus drop off Loop so most um visitors will be coming in that way but there is a secondary door
to the east which is right above admin and that's the entry point for students being dropped off on the um parent drop off Loop um so the primary um secured entrance that U visitors have to buzz in through is is to the South so the office
will be looking that way so now you can see the office configuration you have a suite of offices um in the admin Wing um sequential As you move through the building um you um are moving through that secure vesu into the building and then you're into a main uh entry area
where the main stairwell is that takes you up and down between the two floors um since we saw you last we've added a second stair if you go past the next block you'll see another stairwell so the reason for that is partly code driven to be sure that uh we we have no
uh dead end quarters we have adequate egis out from the second floor but how it will work is that allows for students to flow up to the second floor from two directions so it actually kind of helps and keeps students from having to navigate away and then back towards um
the cafeteria when they're going up and down um so that second block is uh the U eighth grade block um a um and uh the two link classrooms and then the media center in the middle hey Dory can I just
have a question about the sure the the entrance way mm so it looks like there's a door from the outside and a little VES yes then there's like another like holding chamber yes okay no I'm just making sure I understand that okay no I I love it I mean it's what you're iMagic
so the first one is really just an a loock essentially it's literally weather face um and anybody can come in there you can come into that second vestibule where you'll be seen by the office staff and you and once the school is open
that um third set of doors is you can't get past so the office staff will they be able to see outside as well yes so they'll see out and they'll see into that best okay and then they'll you'll you'll ask for permission to come in you'll have to come in sign in and then
be released through so that's that's the more secure method there are different ways of doing it but that's no yeah I show it I know why we did what we did with the high school but it's like that it's so far away it's a little it's a little too far closer but it's also that
it's not right the window okay thank you sorry about that that's okay yeah important we also have actually an assistant principal the other end of that block who actually has eyes on the other area which is going to have a lot of student movement past um you see that
AP office there um the nurses Suite is is in that admin block as well but near that um that exit so that there's an easy way in and out and have their own Suite essentially but can connect into the admin week um uh the media center you'll see
the plans um uh at our next meeting but uh just generally it's kind of in the heart of the school um and it's uh By Design in this school kind of intentionally close to the stem program and and sort of central to everything at the first floor so um that staff member
is active with a lot of different classes um and there's a lot of different things happening in the media center there's both Stacks as well as a digital um lab that um is kind of the primary kind of computer lab that can support all different classes um so there's a lot happening in the media
center that you'll see um then you get into the stem Wing which is uh an open classroom and then two um engineering classrooms and those engineering classrooms are connected to each other and to the outdoors um and they have a
plaza outside that you'll see and they have some uh additional support spaces around them and we have a kind of an area in front of that which will allow that to sort of spill out we wanted those classrooms to be intentionally kind of on display they have a lot of really active Ling going on um and they
are closely connected to the art classrooms the art classrooms wanted to be in this area and near the loading dock because they actually bring a lot of materials in and out and they have a nice um Courtyard near them they can access um we met yeah we'll be revising
these plans um further but in terms of some of the the Minor Details but generally these configurations are working um we're in the midst of revising our kitchen PL so the details aren't there but you the intent is it's you would go flow into the cafeteria to the left and there'll be a servery sort
of spilling out from the kitchen into the cafeteria area we're trying to work to create a bit more of a a scrambled type eating area that gives students more Choice the idea being that if they have more choice and more options then they tend to eat what what they want and
then they T actually eat it really good thing um the C cafeteria even though you see that yellow circulation path that's sort of open all the way through and at The District's request we've created a slightly smaller space part of the cafeteria that is a
little bit quieter for students who want to not be in the tumult of the main cafeteria space so we have variety of seating but also a slightly distinct space and it'll be open to the cafeteria it's not an enclosed space but it it'll
feel a little quieter with a lower ceiling we have Auditorium sized um similar to the Glenbrook audit uh yes Glenbrook auditor yeah 400 that was forget which one's a b um so that's kind of coming along um we've tried to design
this in a way that doesn't have extremely expensive catwalk it's not a high school um Auditorium but it does have you know the full seating two decks of seating um sloped towards the stage in the full, 1600t stage then you have
bandic report which connect to the auditorium through the band room so that there's a kind of a back back door in and you have your health uh and pewing um two Health classrooms um support spaces an ALT PE room and a gymnasium which we've brought down a little bit in
size from where we spoke it still um meets our qut sizes um and it'll have some built-in bleachers but because it's it's not um it it we found without needing full High School size bleachers we can bring it down a little bit in size
um moving to the second floor can I ask questions about first um this is what I learned from Chris early on yeah less less less angles and Jags and everything is less money right is that every corner
costs money right so like the stem rooms that like why aren't they just extended out to eliminate corners or the the next one to like um you'll see what when we look at the elevations and the massing um part of it is about uh the different
roof locations and trying to we were in a residential location so remember we didn't want to make a giant rectangle and just extrude up okay for a couple reasons one is it would really overwhelm the neighborhood um the other is that you're actually trying to
get light into certain spaces at that particular moment what we have actually is we've combined the gym the band The C the auditorium all of that into what's pretty much one large mass um and then we're just separating it and then we have another structural
system for the next mass and separating and another for the next mass and those separations between the three masses allow us to get light into our classroom spaces from the North and the South um and then allows us to pretty efficiently put a lot of the rest where we don't
have those needs together into one one large efficient Mass okay so and if anybody else has questions way some of the ulations are helpful when we're when we're working on that next just just real quick um thinking about the band
versus music do you mind just clarifying the difference is that just to store instruments or there's three totally different teaching spaces um chorus and music is just a standard um all site sorts of music program um chorus is specifically chorus band is band and
Orchestra so it's a large instrument and that seats um 50 to typically about 50 students um and large instruments within the room um uh and then they uh will also be able to um because you have two two instructors using that large
instrument room band and Orchestra there's also a small office that allows them to connect so we're trying to support chorus band strings and general music in that space so good question any other questions on
the first floor on the second floor starting question uh I know we're talking about bathrooms later is there like a a gender neutral bathroom so said boys and girls there is there like a a separate space so when you look at so at
that area we have we have a need for a lot of fixtures because we're near the auditorium and the gymnasium uh so we did go through an extensive review of bathroom options and approaches with the district we're actually going to kind of show you the end results here in this
plan um but wherever you see those um what are called Gang bathrooms you'll also see another um uh non-gendered unisex bathroom uh associated with it okay so that's evident there but it's also evident in every wing if you look
at the um the what we call awing in the South and I saw that I was wonder if that's yeah same thing you see um the decision was to have a a male size a female side and a unisex bathroom all together so that it's in approximately other thank you um we've reviewed you
know different ways of configuring that so this was showing different options on the syn configuration but we've also settled that decision so um second floor immediately over sixth grade is seventh grade so um the
more consistent we make our our our walls and our plans uh the the cheaper and easier to build so we're pretty much straight idea specifically which classroom is where we haven't necessarily um all these classrooms are the same size so again you have seventh
grade team a and Team B wor about that um over the admin you have uh intervention academic intervention areas so that's a literature lab lit lab literacy lab math lab social emotional
um room um a staff break room and the guidance suite and we're going to switch social emotional staff room that was a discussion we had today um but that is kind of trying to be a bit quieter um for students to pull into we've organized the labs into a sequence of
pretty efficient um spaces all of these have to meet msba guidelines very strictly so um we found this efficiency would really help and that's again why we have that second set of stairs each lab has its own 200t prep room for
storage and preparation ation of materials to go into the lab um and then there's one chem room that they share that's a locked storage room for chemicals so to be clear the four Labs that you're seeing here are the four science rooms for seventh and eighth grade right yes they're two per grade
yeah yeah and the sixth grade science rooms are attached to the teams on the first floor right and that sixth grade science you'll see is a on story building or part section of the building um what about the guidance do
we have like there's four there four but so that would incorporate uh School adjustment counselors and school counselor okay okay thanks yeah my language hasn't shifted over but more counselors the guidance these um there's an elevator in that
awing as well um serving the second floor um and then um across from the seventh and eth grade science lab is the bwing which is the um 8th grade second for and the elevator will not be used for storage Nick
promise um 8th grade we decided to have them have that um split so there's a little bit more motion between them they may be taking classes within upper and lower floor um so it sort of moves them a little bit towards that High School experience they're but they're also
closer to the specials so we hope that those transitions don't create any it seemed like they were the more mature students who would be able to handle more transitions so that was the intent there and you see just by virtue of the color that this the auditorium will have
a control room um as well and it has a has to have a small lift to allow you to get to that control room so that we don't have a second stairwell back there another elevator could I just underscore like one of the one of the underlying ideas
here is that we have um teams at each grade level so there's two 100 student teams te at sixth grade 7eventh grade and 8ighth grade so kind of recognizing that as we create a a larger Middle School we can still create create that
sort of small feel by creating the neighborhoods that are are depicted in in the plans here so there's a a cluster of rooms that will serve 100 student teams at each grade level so and part of
part of the point there is to be sure that there's a kind of a a group of teachers working closely with a smaller group of students you know to support them Dory can you touch on um for anybody that might be wondering or watching the integration of special
education spaces throughout the building yeah so intentionally throughout the buildings uh and you'll see uh that there are some classrooms that are um subpar classrooms where students will will be in that classroom for a fair amount of time but they're still
Associated and near to a team and then you also see some special education spaces within the team so so those are the resource rooms also called Learning Centers in this District each team has one which has a staff person in it um so that staff person is as closely tied to
those inclusion classrooms as possible so that they're supporting students um through the inclusion model and supporting able to do pull out into the resource room and support them uh directly and and then around there uh you see a small group rooms so there's
uh two in each uh two in that awing plus you have the space kind of the common area so that you have an enclosed space that um students can also um go into with a support staff for Title One assistance you know so you have a lot of
different intervention mechanisms for students to to really keep them uh within an inclusion model as much as possible as well as having the unique spaces that you need for uh the link um um L and behavioral classrooms that are
that are you know have dedicated staff supporting was she is yes okay one of the changes from the last time we met is um the creation of two um 400 ft um um Labs the literacy lab and the math lab
so those staff I believe they're two per each are in there as well as some times going to those small group rooms or going into classrooms so they they kind of move in and out but they'll have their own base to do group work and have their materials and resources together the orange spaces here maybe you said
the story I'm sorry the orange spaces are the uh designated as special education spaces and I just want to acknowledge that uh Nicole is on the line Shir right there she is another important orange space is
that yeah sorry here thanks Nicole there's that special education conference room at the first floor um near uh uh admin that is there intentionally to support um family meetings uh coming into the district to meet with uh with uh District staff um
so that there's two conference rooms one is kind of within admin the other is um going to be available probably for other reasons as well but it's very heavily needed that there is a a conference room to support those family conversations
and I love the records right next to the room so that's awesome yeah question um in the labs I assume on the bottom those are like wash stations what are the the squares with the x in them
what is that in the labs on the second floor exterior wall ah yes those are sink location so the way labs are designed and you can see in that um on
screen you see how you have here yeah so these I assume are like SN spaces ex what are are those sink those are also so the way it works is those those um U parallel tables that are up against that are on Wheels and they're either in the
middle for teaching and you're you're engaged with the teacher there and then they are are rolled over to and connected to the casework and the case workk is at the perimeter so for every um group of uh four yes every group of four students there's a
sink it's going to be interesting our most crowded spaces right now at least at Williams even at Glenbrook are are science rooms and so you know these are these are going to be so much more comfortable for science teachers science students yeah they're 1,400 square foot
rooms yeah they're they're good size which is within the allowance is Reed yeah it's like triple the glenberg one yeah they're yeah needed so you'll see uh in
our next month we'll show you some interior perspectives um we're developing those now we tend to approach um a lot of those decisions material and color decisions kind of from the outside in So today we're going to spend some time talking about the exterior but
before we get to that we we wanted to bring in um our landscape team to talk about some site options and you'll see we often present two ideas to give you some things to think about uh and uh Brian uh from havon sign
bomb is going to share his uh inspiration and thinking behind the site plans and really this is conceptual at this stage um important to the learning process great well hello
everyone uh like to start with precedent images kind of inspirational pictures so you get an idea of what some of these you know spaces feel like when we actually show you them in plan and in detail uh so here's a slide on nature based learning and general
sustainability is something we like to include in all of our projects uh so the first top row let's see starting the left just the idea of maybe having some areas that are more naturalized no more grasses or sge grasses so they're less maintenance but
they're easier to maintain because you can tell that there's not weeds and things growing in them which could be challenging for for from staff perspective uh we like the idea of incorporating uh storm water measures rain Gardens things like that uh bios swells so it's an educational tool to
teach students about you know storm water infiltration and integration and and create habitat at the same time uh but we can incorporate things like Bridges like you'll see here or maybe steppers like you see next to that in the top row or things to kind of draw students into these spaces and encourage
and offer different educational opportunities uh the image on the right on the lower level is is an Amphitheater type Outdoor Classroom application that kind of pares down into a Wetlands um or into a you know ring Garden
application uh so I love the idea of that kind of maybe terracing down and allowing the students to sort of get down and interact with some of these ecosystems uh looking closely at the images in the middle of the page on the
bottom uh these are just examples of other paving materials that could be implemented so these are what we call epoxy resin uh aggregate Paving so it's loose aggregate that's bound um by a resin so it's not loose uh so it it looks a little bit like stone dust uh
you might be thinking of or more familiar with uh but this is not loose and won't sort of stick to shoes be brought into the school and things like that it's kind of just has a nice texture to it it remains permeable so claa spaces can support trees as you see coming out of the faing on the right
hand side the water infiltrates through uh to the root systems but uh is kind of just an interesting more sustainable approach to some caving in our you know softer landscaped areas um we can use local agriates again so this is a kind of a carbon friendly approach to bathing
and and a concrete reduction opportunities as well uh finally on the far left is just doesn't look like much but it's an interesting thing that's happening these days it's kind of miwaukee garden it's an approach of planting small sapling type trees to create a
naturalized wooded environment more than just planting individual trees so um it's an educational opportunity again you can even get students involved it's kind of a fun approach to uh planting uh and screaming which is something that we're we're looking to do
behind the school next slide please okay so now we're going to show a few more present about ideas that are shown in the first option uh so first of all we love the idea of you know outdoor dining opportunities and seating
opportunities with flexible furnishings and a great way to make the space comfortable is you know place the Furnishing under tree canopy uh we often you know we propose things like shade structures and they're all great ideas but ultimately in projects like this
more often than that they they're Dev engineering components and and they're they're the first to go so this is a great way to provide stade and offer uh interesting you know seing opportunities for students outside of the ceter uh just to the right of that it's
an example of some preast uh seat walls again we're going to be showing you a couple ideas of introducing walls like this to uh for Outdoor Classroom uses and just general unique seating opportunities you know something more permanent fix than what you're seeing in
terms of the tables and shars so before we go on can I just ask like what was like the prioritization of the design like or the options like how did how did the they come to fruition
like was input from the district like put directly into it and this was what we're saying the district wanted and you or this more this is what we're seeing out there now and this is what we are advertising and the only reason why I
asked because for me MH number one is the ease of Maintenance because we built all the trees and the flowers in the bushes at the high school and we had to whack them all down four years later because we couldn't take care of it um so I'm just wondering like was ease of
Maintenance like at the top of the thought list on this yeah I I want to just clarify in terms of the actual activity zones out there what we're aiming for is coming out of the conversations we've done two rounds of interviews with teachers and we've met repeatedly with the district
so using the uses that are going to happen out there so we know outside of the cafeteria we have an eating area we know students go out there and we've talked to faculty about the fact that students go under trees and they sit at tables and you know we want a mix that makes perfect sense to me so we know
that the uh like we spoke about the stem teachers going out to Hardscape so we have that goal we know the art teachers want to go out and draw with students we know that the special education teachers will take individual students on paths and like to circle the building we know we need bike bike you know u storage
facilities because of the number of bikes so all of the and we know we have approaches so we've provided Brian with um those criteria and we've certainly talked about low maintenance we've also remember gone through the sustainability requirements for the program so it has
to be lead certified storm water is a reality so we have to have those features so all of these things have kind of come together in our conversations and this is um you know Brian's first okay passive introdu no that's fine I just like to make it sure like because I look at Nick over there and like the first thing I think about
is stuff to take care of yeah exactly okay and this is also still schematic design so no I get anything we're trying to come up with a um design strategy you know your and your explanation was exactly what I needed to make sure is
that like everything we did ask is here and the teachers is here everything's here yes yes yes thank you and even me teachers we great those mainten con so yeah it's for me it's about balancing outdoor access for kids and creating
learning spaces and Gathering spaces and play spaces but balancing that with the with with the reality that you know maintenance needs to be a priority maintenance of these spaces and and low maintenance shrubs low maintenance plantings you know and and
even if if we're have mowable areas we want to make sure we can get equipment to those areas and that kind of thing and then the other two factors I want to mention is remember in our early conversations in PSR the need for screening the concern about the
neighborhood uh the N concern about canopy so those are also there and then the second thing I mentioned is we've talked a little bit about it and we can always go into it more but the the positive Health aspect of having green space for students is really and shade
around no no and don't get me wrong I'm not advocating that we don't have green space I think as much green space as possible that is low maintenance R yes and I think Bri's going to address that okay and yes we have to recognize that we do
have neighbors right next to the site and we know that's got to be part of the solution as well sorry Brian Y no problem no problem uh so yes moving on on the upper right hand corner is just another example of some
terracing and again if maintenance is concern we can always infill that with you know wood decking or the aggregate Paving as we were mentioning some other material so that you don't have the long teres as we may have shown if there's if that's a preference just an
idea see be down on the next level uh sure either side is fine lower left is now we're looking at like a softer landscape just simple trees and more of a wooded environment there is one wing of the building that uh after speaking
with jwa we want to have it be more passive and just kind of a nice area to look at but without you know introducing a lot of AC ity the classrooms look out at the space so an easy way to do that is just sort of rolling landforms very simple plant native plant pallet that
you know creates a ground cover naturalized Woodland floor almost and some and some trees so it can just perennial plantings come and go no maintenance uh you know occasional maybe I suppose but limited uh and limited access in those
cases uh the other images are just potential you know an example of an entry entrance to a building in angular nature which is first option shows a little bit and then the image on the right is uh outside of the art classroom
we'll show you is a plaza space that you know again is encircled by buildings and something an idea we thought would be pretty fun is to give provide students an opportunity to gather outside but in a kind of unique manner uh by providing sort of a sculptural table element uh
that they could just come right outside into the closet outside their door and and and host the classroom uh and in a unique way to sort of encourage creativity you know something different and kind of interesting to look out uh we' probably not use fixed seats like
you see there but you know flexible furniture and so on so but the space in general can be more flexible next slide okay so this is the site overall site plan for the first option now I'm going to focus first we're going to H on
the interior the spaces on the next slide but I just wanted to touch base quickly on the overall site plan which is the same for both aside from what happens directly outside of the building so I think everyone's aware that we've talked about playfields uh we're showing you know High School size soccer
football and now we've introduced u12 size soccer fields running per perpendicular to the fields uh and we're showing it a different color now because at some point I believe tonight we might be having a conversation a little bit about about the potential for Synthetic Turf um and we actually have a
specialist from K Bond here who can answer some specific questions if you have any about that at some point uh but we did meet with folks about netting needs High netting those are the dash lines around you know behind goals and things like that so this should accommodate all of the Town
need um parking lots are pretty uh straightforward uh we have some larger islands around the parking spots again with uh the desire to maybe introduce uh bioses or rain Gardens as a means of infiltrating some storm water on site in an interesting
manner um and then you can just get a general overview of the site here is you know all of the green spaces where the heartscape spaces are in relation to the gym and so on but the next slide if we want to go ahead and jump to that oh actually before you do sorry I'll make one comment here the trees you see that
are in sort of circles and Light green are all existing trees to remain I just want to be clear about what's proposed right now and what's uh existing So within the site it's almost all new trees but around the perimeter we do plan to supplement the existed sort of
tree buffered Edge uh in particular in front of loading docks and things like that with Evergreen plantings other tree plantings to to Really create that strong buffer around the site uh next one okay so now this is where the fun stuff
uh comes into play so we're looking behind the school now which is uh West so North is to the right um but for this conversation this will be the west side of the school the top of the plan uh and I'll kind of focus a little bit on some of the spaces that we're
proposing here so you see the fire lane where it says option A goes along the property line of the school uh so one of our goals would be to use landform uh along that edge to help create a sent
closure and screen that so that all of the uses in the space kind of between the classrooms and behind the building you see here are much more comfortable spaces to be within and you don't feel that you're along you know a next to a loading dock or along a service Drive uh those would be mounted planted like we
mentioned with noo grasses or sges or something very simple so they can just exist as a wooded environment no maintenance ultimately in the future this is where we can introduce pre-planting that Milwaukee Garden I mentioned to create a future forest and
education opportunities but basically adding a dense screening around that perimeter would be the goal uh internal to that you start to see some terracing um these are s you know potential pre-cast walls like we mentioned before so they would frame and
create Outdoor Classroom opportunities which was requested um and in different forms so the one on the left is kind of more circular you can picture a classroom looking down at sort of a stage area paved area and all want to be more naturalized in this environment so you
can picture a science class or otherwise sort of looking down at the Wetland as they're oriented and you know teaching opportunities outside experiencing the landscape whereas the the one adjacent to that behind the second Wing uh we're thinking about this being a slope walk
that goes down to maybe a wood deck a little closer to the wood so again this is that opportunity to interact directly with um the the rain Gardens and habitat ultimately that will result from the storm water being um Meandering back between the
second opening um so if you see the let's see between the second and third section of the building exactly uh this is where the art AR classrooms Overlook that space so this is what we showing a plaza space uh that those art classrooms can spill out into uh provide trees and
the paving as we showed for shape for the students uh and then potentially adding that sculptural feature uh table feature that is something very interesting to look out at but then also can activate this space with the art uh
classes uh the other Wing right now again we're showing something very passive and something more to look out at so it's kind of a simple path that meanders back between those wings um and has a couple seating opportunities so for those maybe need a little more care or separation from students this is a
great opportunity to allow them walk back into that space and uh just experience some more calm experience uh moving to the right is the cafeteria where Dory has her cursor now um and we've been discussing a fun
idea uh and I don't know if dory's mentioned this but potentially some indoor outdoor relationship see a bunch of red dots that sort of filter out so can the trunks of trees or sculpture elements sort of penetrate the building and then also extend out into the closet space to
really draw your draw yourself your view out into the space andw connect those two experiences uh we're seeing that space directly outside of that area as outdoor dining opportunity with tables and chairs flexible Furniture under the uh tree canopy again providing shade and
dappled uh dappled light for experience for the students uh here we have again kind of a Terrace seat feature um and this one we're showing sort of wood decking or some of material so it's more hardcap material because this will
probably have more activity in this Stone be a gym or just general kind of recess Gathering um do you directly behind that seating you there a dark line just pointing out uh the notion of a screen wall of some
kind to separate the loading dock which is just behind that so there's dumpsters loading other kind of unsightly generators things like like that so that we could put a decorative screen wall Meandering trees to help enclose this space and create that
separation uh to the right of that a large area asph we do know that most schools appreciate the asphalt so there can be basketball courts we've got a half basketball court a full basketall court Four Square um any other uses can
happen here wall ball against the Jill it's intentionally open so any kind of activity the gym the structure itself can be used for play as well um the form you see sort of Meandering through was just the idea of adding some pain or some interest there that could tie into
the overall uh design scheme uh and carry it through and just make it a little more dyamic interesting and exciting for the kids let's see uh wrapping around the building uh the entry way to what is plan North or I'm
sorry what is north plan left U Got A entry so to the building that location so we could have sort of Paving that would be pled South yeah so that's the main entry of the building so there's access to the parking there and we're showing uh access from the parent
drop off Zone which is where the curs cursor is now uh in that entry as well as out towards the parking uh on William Street and then there's a secondary entry as well U just to the right of the cursor as well as a kind of gathering
opportunity outside of both of these entrances so you can imagine a place to pause a place to sit before going in see just to the right of the cursor again is a Outdoor Classroom space with a sort of Ste wall framing that so
that's for the two uses there uh in the building what else oh the you see those dark rectangles along the sidewalks and a couple of locations on this plan I'll just note that we do have that's a covered bike structure that's one of them and
adjacent to that is some exterior bike racks as well and that's another covered bike rack on site right now we're showing uh 50 bike racks uh 30 of which are covered which would accommodate 100 bikes as of now so that's a pretty substantial amount but we do know that
this is used frequently by uh bicyclists in in the warmer seasons Brian can can you can you can you describe just the characteristic of the south and east side in terms of the vegetation itself and you know the the
light green areas are those just open lawn so we're assuming the light green areas are lawn so if you can picture kids you know being dropped off by the parents or picked up they like to run around and play and do things so there
is some lawn it's easily manicured and and easy upkeep um around the front of the building because you want you want the building to look nice uh lawn is the easiest thing to maintain you don't have to worry about what the planting is uh there are a couple of plant beds that
we're showing but again for other images we've shown you we'd like the planting to be simple low maintenance um plant beds behind the building is where we were talking about or and say behind the building um plan North top of this page
is where we were thinking of adding looser like a combination I suppose of lawn and looser plant material so they just the no mow grasses they'd only be maybe mowed once a year if that you know we creating a wooded environment or successional buffer there separating the
fire Lan from the school that would probably never have to be mowed but internal with that you might you know move some things down once a year it would be and again it's supposed to be a very natural l landcap the SCH ran they uh let me know if you'd
like to ask questions about any any of the options or otherwise we can just move to the next one ran the the the wood decking I I think I'd be concerned about the durability of that and unless there's some materials that sort of we know stand the test of
time we if we introduce things like this we tend to use proper Hardwoods we won't you I mean heay is the strongest it's also very expensive and not very sustainably harvested but it's as durable as concrete you it this will
stand the best of time it's it's one of the hardest Woods out there there are a couple other traffical Hardwoods Joba kumaru others that are basically the same but sustainably harvested and we you know these things will be here forever ultimately I wouldn't worry about kind
of durability durability of these for the long term we just installed one at the driscal school in Brookline which is a boardwalk over another rain guard Fe rain Garden feature there before we go to option b any
questions on the site plan in general and also questions on the turf field that space has changed a little bit since you guys have last seen it we did have a meeting with um both representatives from the district and also representatives from kind of the
Town wreck side of things um this was really taking a lot of their input into account I see this field really been used a lot a lot and the field at Williams right now is not in very good shape um and with the amount of use that
they picture on it they really even though some of them were a bit torn on whether turf was the answer um just purely from a matter of use that's really what they were strongly recommending so um we have tried to open that space and make it as flexible as
possible we are showing a short kind of chain link fence barrier between uh the turf and the rest of the site um as Brian mentioned we're showing some areas of taller netting um for lacrosse balls in
particular but um you know all uses of the field uh there was interest in fixed field goals for the football field off of the main football field so on the left and right of this this uh image um but otherwise trying to keep everything
as flexible as as possible seeing no questions we can move on great all right here so these rather precent so the uses as we've been discussing are generally the same as we move around the building for
the next game but we've taken a more sort of biomorphic cinear approach to the layout and materials on the site so these are some precedent images of how that could look uh some Pathways for example the one in the upper row in the middle just shows the this notion of
differing materials so you can have concrete sidewalks let's say that Meander through the epoxy res aggregate like we mentioned in the other prent image uh just to create different experiences and Define spaces differently on the ground plane also offering permeability uh for some storm
water measures and again can can be used for educational purposes a little lower room um yeah I guess these are all very similar in nature so kind of looser
plantings looser uh caline ear path systems and we can move to the next slide to kind of show you what that could look like in plan again the uses and things that we noted are all very similar just sort of different forms here so let's see GE you want to start the
back of school as we did the other one sure actually that that would be the next slide but next one as I mentioned earlier this overall site plan is essentially exactly the same as the last one only the spaces are directly around the building have changed between these are you looking into understand
tonight whether we favor the curval linear approach versus the more angular design is that part of the feedback you're looking for that' be great yeah General thoughts on that and if there's anything that sticks out specific between them that that
interests you you know these are all still early sketches to develop an approach and attitude um and you know certain to find out uh if if it feels like uh too much or too little uh I wanted to
ask before you got too far into this Brian if you could talk a little bit there's been Express concern about the soils in this area being not super viable for keeping uh things growing well uh and I wondered you know that if
I don't know if that's just overused but we know there's fairly Sandy soils in this area as well um are is soil Improvement potentially part of the process and typically is we can we can test what
exists out there and they're amended uh for use in planting soils around Fields uh if there is concern with Lawns for example or or play fields we would always sort of specify a particular soil blend for that that is more durable uh
kind of high use Lawns we might call them which means they might have a higher sand content um and and drain quicker so they're not they don't compact easily um but in in these areas if this field become synthetic we' probably use just a you know typical passive lawn but it would be not just
necessarily reuse of existing loan on site especially so that would be tested and amended to be appropriate for all of these uses questions or feedback or comments from anyone
okay all right try to move us along sure uh sure yeah color schemes so yeah if you could zoom out a little bit more so now we're switching to talking about exterior so any other questions on the site plans or
any strong reactions to the site plan any thoughts on the curval linear versus the more option A and option b right I see option be um it's a lot of space to clear snow so those Pathways seem very
very wide so I'm curious on the time it would take to make it safe and Le yeah on option b and Nick that's an interesting question because part of that is um we'll I think we we'll need to have a discussion with you guys too
because we'll have to clear paths where we need it for egress and then maybe that's it or you know Are there specific areas where it's easier to clear where you guys would like you know us to think about that so I think that's a it's an interesting question but I think we
would want to Overlay a diagram on top of this of thinking of where we would clear it where we would not um you know the uh the epoxy resin aggregate surfaces that we talked about those are you can they're pretty durable
for shoveling and snowblowing and if we if we needed to that's what I was trying to research right now find the answer yeah yeah yes absolutely uh it actually was just installed on City all Plaza in Boston uh so you can imagine how much
abuse uh that space takes um it's also on the Highline in New York City you may be familiar with that that's been installed um and we we've done it in multi residential projects and other locations ourselves um but those were just notable ones that kind of paint a
picture for you this durability is there an ongoing maintenance with that material outside of normal cleaning there is not that's the benefit of this the the aggregate science is larger than you might
typically use in let's say per permeable asphalt and permeable concrete requiring maintenance because they need be vacuum and they're less porous uh just by Nature they the voids are smaller uh so they can be problematic because most folks aren't going to vacuum and
maintain things so this is has larger Aggregates which means larger void spaces within it that won't get clogged so it maintains this permeability it does have sort of plastic reinforcing that the aggregate is placed into and the resin holds it all in place so
it's structured for vehicles and so on uh so it's a it's a it's a very it's a nice unique project that is more a product that is more sustainable than kind of implementing concrete or asphalt everywhere is there different is there
different sloping in a versus B is is one more flat than the other or are they both relatively flat I guess my question revolves around like rain and water um if there's going to be runoff into different areas or if it's just going to
stay within one one area yeah there so in both options we have mounding adjacent to the fire Lan uh so screening that and enclosing the green spaces on everywhere for comfort and then they generally slope to the
middle of that space behind the school um so the the low points so you see those little uh rectilinear forms behind the school in this option those are bridges you know so you can imagine those are sort of depressions those are the ring Gardens or Wetlands that you
know kids can walk across run across and interact with and learn around and so on the other option actually put the green garden elements um closer to the um fire Lan so
you don't have the bridges and the path systems and so on it's actually um the depression right is closer to the fire lane there so sort of the the seating features and things look out at it instead of kind of Crossing it there is a little Bridge just kind of
indicated in one location there that if we get there so yes the uh everything will be touched to drain I guess from a storm water perspective if we need to have touch basins like between the wings of the school because we can't pitch out um
that can be you know accommodated and we either infiltrate within the rain Gardens or you know our civil team will address the stone water on site um I was just I was initially drawn to the curves uh and I I like the
bridges that idea but uh I don't feel terribly strongly about it so I'm glad Nick made the first comment because I I think I would just say whatever we can keep looking good the longest or for the long run because I know that like Boston
City Hall has a team of people that keep it looking fresh and we just don't have that uh or we do but we we don't have the same kind of resources so um whatever we can do but I think they both have definitely have their perks and um
so I don't feel too strong one feature that was uh interesting to talk about with the um leadership team is outside of the cafeteria you see this s-shaped curves and the amphitheater up and I understand
that what they're doing is we're kind of sloping up so you have one level of seating and then another level of seating and and you can kind of walk up a little bit of a grade and that was something that actually interested the um the principles because it allows you a a path that um a staff member can walk
up to down over um and see it's not a massive amount of grade it's very gentle but still gives you a little bit of view over the um play area so we talked a little bit about being sure that um that didn't get heavily obstructed because it would be really um helpful to be able to
see across that space so yeah supervision sight lines I think are other factors that I'd want to learn more about particularly in that in The Recess outside dining area there yeah we tend
to also encourage the team to keep trees away from the building because when a district isn't maintaining those trees well over time they can add moisture to the building if they're blocking so we'd be mindful of that and and and careful that that wasn't the case that's
something we've SE existing schools all over the place ready move on sure okay um so uh ways back we showed some historic images we spent some time walking around looking at buildings um in the community we're always looking
for a way to get at this question about what kind of materials um what kind of fields the school should have um we're going to show again two options show you two ways of thinking that we've approached it um in one we think of this I spent a lot of time reading about the
geology of the area and the the you know Lake Hitchcock and why it is long that is really kind of at the bottom of like Hitchcock and the um soil conditions and cross-sections I got a little obsessed with that and started looking at the um
the warmer tones of Center School and thinking about the possibility of using this kind of warm earthy tone always when we're looking at designing the exteror of school we try and think about the context um this is very residential context we want durability so we know we
we would you know encourage to uh incorporate brick so we've been thinking about what kind of temperature approach that wants to be and then thinking also about how that will then also influence us on the interior colors as well so we're showing one steam kind of loosely
influenced by these um warmer kind of um uh ochre and um and paint colors and they can also carry blues and green against them so that was the initial thinking here um we also have you know sloping roofs so wanted to think about how those roofs might be seen um and
what that contrast might be so go to the next screen you see some Modern materials um um that demonstrate some of those colors and how those can be brought in um the one on the left is a school in Cambridge um Martin Luther
King um the materials here are brick which is still the dominant um tool for 50-year school building construction in Massachusetts um but there are areas where you'll bring in um a rain screen material as well um often and that will
allow you to get a little bit of space from that brick and not just just create a big brick block and then we on our project have some sloping um standing seam roof as well as flat membrane roof so you see a little bit of uh those elements um and go to the next
screen um you're seeing some very quickly done renders of different parts of the building to see what those materials might look and feel like as a general temperature you know kind of a a gal um feeling for it so um the top
left is a a and this is also I think helpful because it gives you sense of scale because we've been talking about site plans and it's hard to understand you know how how big this might feel or not um so uh what you're seeing at that front is where we um we have that
walkway from the Bus drop off um we do want good um Hardscape there for arrival um but that's where we did have that lawn area and we want to be sure that there's some shade because there's a a you're not going to see all the site features here at all um because we're not quite that integrated yet um but you
have something that wants to be a canopy to kind of provide some protection um so this is just giving you a look at a warm brick scheme where we would probably do two different two to three different bricks that are very similar to each other close to each other just to offset
and create a little texture um in a very simple horizontal or vertical approach to the windows um and then using a little bit of screen at the higher location um and then to the right that's where you asking about the massing and we have those distinct three masses we
have the connecting points between them we're talking about those being um a lighter weight that's where your stairs are so that would then allow the building from the distance to read almost as you know three different um U buildings as opposed to one giant
building um so that uh image you're seeing at the bottom shows you the back of a CL classroom Wing you can see how we have those gabled roofs blocking behind that is a low um flat roof that's where the mechanical equipment would be so you aren't seeing it from the
neighbors um and it allows us to bring daylight inside the building at the second floor level um and then to the right you see that gray Mass if you go to the right hand image there that's the sixth grade um science classrooms um and and the eras
requirement door for that Wing um and then just this again is not Brian site plan this just the concept of of low growth plants and then this was kind of a little quickly pulled together but that is just the scale of the gym and we're thinking the gym in a the gym
particularly would probably be block instead of brick just to be more economical um we were talking to a structural engineer today about the the relationship with that structure and the skin um and so we can kind of pop a little bit of color there and
differentiate from the white the lighter brick um and then you have you'll see in the next image that the the the kind of one story classrooms at the back kind of want to feel a little bit different so in the overall this is again just put together just in the last couple of days
um gives you a feel for for what this warm scheme might look like and feel like we've been trying to be mindful of the height and not you know not kind of go tall because of the the residents looking towards the building and and
wanting to be sure that from the street it has a pleasant you know School feel um and is inviting um and you see it always from these two angles on this side if you see it from the the west side it really looks a little bit more gabled in this side less so um
intentionally um so the landscape reflects some of that difference between the two SES um this second scheme just to offer some difference um here we're picking up the idea of more traditional schools traditionally schools in the US from
mid-century or red brick um uh High School really strong red brick so wanting that's the the image on the right um you have other um kind of um clean white elements in town um so we're thinking of this is just trying to offer a cooler pallet of materials
um and then how that might ultimately carry into the school as well um here you see if you can zoom out a little bit so you can see the hole of this this is really better as a whole image um that um precedent image at the bottom of the gable roof and brick is kind of where we
were aiming for that mix of um red brick um and window and panel um and a slightly sloping roof um so we're just changing colors in this in this version that you're seeing we're keeping most everything the same same and just changing colors in reality when we get
into it we'll do a lot more more work on the design and the detailing um if you could keep going down so here again the same four Images but just with a different palette of colors um so I have to use your imagination a little bit to
imagine this as a hole um we we were thinking with the panel here you can maybe carry a slightly brighter color um and uh and you know we'd want to break the brick up with some relief so it's not just
monolithic um and then go to the next uh that showes you sort of an overall perspective contrast the two I know I should have put next to each other it's like going to the eye doctor
better better now so this we we're showing a darker roof um to just contrast what we're also really looking at right now is is is the amount of different materials because that's what's going to inform the
costess strong feelings at all seems very personal [Laughter] opinion yeah I like the warm she used to fit more with me all the neighborhood the worms the first one
yeah I I like I I agree with you too the first one it seemed more uniform too this one yeah in in this one again I may not be the person asked
but the the colors for the media center and the music in the gymn yeah back here those seem kind of odd um yeah I think they're meant to look a little Bluer because in the close-up images they do that image just looks
warmer than the others that were but but the the concept there is that those are U that's a a rain screen area um it could be brick all the way but it gets to be a little bit too much brick really so here here we've used a kind of a gray
palette back there that matches the roof um and I think the accent colors can really we can really um pick we're we're going with kind of the the thinking there is that that rain screen is a color through ctitious um uh glass reinforc concrete product so it tends to
be somewhat muted colors um in general um we can go with like a a lucab bond type panel if we wanted bright colors but we typically I think our work as a firm is better if it stays kind of natural materials natural colors because
we like to bring those inside as well what is your team rallying around or I know I have an opinion but I've tried not to over I I like the warmer one as well I'll admit but I you know honestly I like them both like definitely we could work
with either of them for sure what's the timeline on deciding the pallet well the reason why we do this first is because we in the next uh couple weeks we're also going to start exploring the interior I would say that it's helpful to the community that we
have one image in front of them not two certainly we could change you know in DD because we're not doing the construction documents till then so I would say none of the details matter that much um but it it's kind of nice to start having the identity um for the project as people
are looking at the project so I guess for the team I mean Josh I've heard you I agree we do I think the warmer color is nicer I know you don't want to be decisive I'm just thinking I could give my opinion but it's just my opinion and I think both are honestly both are
perfectly fine um I kind of lean a bit more toward the the redder brick that's just my tendency I I know that but I'd like them both anybody on the phone this is Carissa I when looking at like the the pictures before we got to
like the renderings I was leaning towards the cooler side the mod pool but then when you see that giant picture of like red brick I feel like it's just a lot and like we said like in the middle of the
neighborhood I feel like the the warmer the first option is just going to be a little bit lighter and yeah I feel like I I'm on the warm the warm
team Nicole I would agree um with what Carissa said I I think they're both lovely but I think for the neighborhood and the space that we're looking at the warmer tones seem to me to be a better fit and who else is on the
phone Julie she get off oh okay chis yeah I mean I think both can be done well I think the warmer the lighter colors are probably better here see the neighborhood context I know like from
our planning from my planning board a lot of people really like the white like the shops feel like they really like that building in town like that is what everyone always says why can't look like the shops every time we get something to look at so I think the town would like the the lighter the warmer you know Li
you're talking about one building in particular every planning board why can't look like the shops everyone can't look the same we can tell we can show you what it should not look like all you got to do is go to the older
Plaza and you can see what it should not yeah so yeah that's interesting because there is that kind of historic character but then you're also we're finding people are very you know this school has a lot of modernist quality so that interesting play between the two is
kind of potentially captured here and I think interesting to me call yours have an opinion we do not make opinion how about how about personal opinion I can ask my wife CU L our scope of work says no opinion
architectural I think High School's red brick glum Brook's Red Brick Williams red brick blueberry Center all of our schools are red Bri do we want to make the outlier that's interesting I'm glad we offered that option so that
you you know we've already got the red brick on that site everyone's used to driving by it seeing it I think we put something bright you know changes hard sometimes for people so might get some push back just don't I don't disagree with you
about the red brick you know like I do like the warm on I think it Blends into the landscape is what I like about it because the green overpowers the light right so I'm paying more attention to the natural elements around it which I think m is
better for the neighborhood part of it and by the way I have like no background any of this stuff so I'm just like speaking my own personal opinion just like David said this is my opinion um I think if we were to do the brick though that into the school that's blue I I
just can't see that blue versus brick that just that that's what was pushing me away from this color palette was the the gymnasium and the science so in the bottom
right the the blue is the sixth grade science classrooms is that correct right right so and so that color that didn't seem to fit for me a couple options so in the front we've played with a kind of a sage
green that seems to work pretty well with with the brick you see that at the entry there m um and uh the other when we put gray with the red did not work at all so I I don't think that felt good it felt like a very um industrial fuel um
whereas the gray works well with the the other I mean if we had a rendering with the sage on it I think I might change my mind about what it looks like because then the sage becomes part of nature yeah is this the it makes the building look smaller because well to me I think it make the building look CU you have the brick part and then you kind of have
the part that blends in Nicole's raising her hand Oh Nicole yeah I was just going to say I agree with Marty about the dark blue that was really not matching with my
mind either um and I do like the sage green more I also think when you go back up to this one that sort of darker red outline is kind of throwing me a bit and I'm wondering if that could be something that's either a warmer charcoal or brown or
else more of a creamier or Sage I think that the Tombo of of multiple different colors of red and then the blue were kind of what was pushing me away from this one a little bit more I do hear um the thought about all of our other
schools having brick um just this brick felt different than those it felt like it had more of that modern touch and a little a little bit less of the warp that I saw in the other one I just point on the other schools being brick I I just had to look up wolf
swum school because I I guess that and blueberry I don't really think of as being brick even though they are what I think of them is parking lot this is this is much more we got a
big public facing wall and so that to me that's a little different uh and same with the high school I guess because it's just so far back I know that yeah they are brick for sure in your face like this exactly yeah and I
think to me that's that's kind of the Difference Maker we this isn't going to be far back and we want it to it's going to be much more prominent I especially because it's two stories do you have enough direction or do you want us to make a chice um I
I am always happy to take every decision back to the Pelt and make them make a decision if we're unsure um so you know they're they're they're very good at being decisive um so we're happy to work on it more I
guess uh again we're we're going to try and what I am hearing that I think is really helpful to hear is that you do like the the warmth either way like you like the natural relationship which is help helpful because we we kind of try and come up with a palette on the
interior that in some way we feel works with that and and you know we aren't typically looking for bright you know primary colors inside you know because I find that a little bit didactic and overwhelming for kids so we're trying to
kind of soften it so I I did hear that supported so that's helpful because we don't want to hold back the next phase of thinking these two like these are two prominent parts of the building the entrance in the
Southeast Corner M the main and then the student entrance along the east drop off road those really appealed to me I'm not sure I can articulate why just can you go to the overall on the on the warmer one too just to get that
because I think that's a really important point about how it's how it's um seen when you're driving by and how it s fits in the neighborhood and whether or not there's any concern about that I think the elevation we you know
you see the the vertical approach to the classroom Wing here that we kind of really started getting into uh and how that would feel so it's not just one wall but actually kind of mixing in a little bit so that it it kind of breaks it up breaks up
that man a little bit I like how it doesn't look like a school like from the road like I like how it has that the roof angles are like different and when I'm looking at it looks more like living quarter
exactly yeah which I think based upon you know what we've discussed so far with the neighborhood the more we can get it to be unobtrusive the better kind of a random question but like you talk about the
Gablinger's windows are North facing yes is that intentional as much as possible partly um uh no so the north light is uh you don't get that strong harsh Shadow effect um so it's a very gentle light um
tends to be better it does also tilt our Ro towards the South so easier for PV if we go in that direction in the future forgot that's the other reason
okay well I heard it leaning a little bit more to the Worm but um we can explore further ready to move on yeah I mean unless somebody else has anything to add on it I mean I I definitely think we had a lot of leaning towards the warm
um unless there's some way to mitigate the brick with the blue but well then certainly we can yeah yeah yeah yeah so but but yeah I think that's the Leaning Direction yes I just have one comment not about the color palette but going back to the Landscaping I know the
intent wasn't to demonstrate well sorry don't scroll back to Landscaping because if you look at the uh sort of I'll say 3D renderings that's a much easier way for me to understand understand the Landscaping compared to the the 2D prints I I mean I can't really formulate an opinion this in the the 2D plans yeah
if you go to the the overview again Marty I do think uh the the not that the um the rendering I think it's helpful you're seeing the site plan to kind of help you with the scale one more just to get the scale of the entry area we had a lot of discussion about whether or not
that should be hardcap all in front of the school and I think here maybe is why I was a little bit anxious about that idea because I think it would a lot of hard it would be a lot of hardcap so it's hard to tell without the scale we can't get all of it into that kind of 3D
render we're always building the 3D model the landscape team is not but once we settle in we will start to bring the Contour and build that up as well um small small point I you know as these
renderings become you know more public and looked at more frequently i' want to make sure that we represent the buffer between the school and the neighborhood accurately so I don't know if that's the scale it looks bigger than
it would actually be so Distortion of I would I wouldn't want to misrepresent you know what that buer looks like the danger of these tools is the you see a l yeah great thanks um I think
that's that's it for this area um did you want to talk about the procurement of tur or as far as process and or I don't know if we want to get into it's up to you it's it's a matter of when it comes time
to vote are we going to look at similar to what they did the with pool and East Long Meadow would we want to do a vote for synthetic versus natural as one vote and then the entire project obviously as a second yeah I think we need to
understand and I think we have some of that here but I think we need to understand and this is open for I think we understand the cost the plan the usage the utility from Barry and the parks department I mean I know
we had the meeting I mean Barry didn't really say a ton about field usage or and I know we have currently no place for field hockey in town that
really works we've got grass fields but that doesn't work when it comes to like tournament games and big games for for for that constituency um so I think yes there is a community aspect here of if
it's a multi-purpose field and we decide to go synthetic then based upon the cost that it would I mean I guess the first question what do we is there is reimbursement for grass right like just
to put grass down reimbursement yeah your reimbursement is um for outside La um areas is only 8% of the building cost once you get beyond that 8% it's gone up to about 9% um after you get beyond that
it's all on the the district okay so once you get to synthetic fields or things like that you're probably that include like asphalt yeah okay everything that's around the building 5T 5T outside the building 8%
of the cost of the building um will the site work will be will be um they they'll entertain cap out it'll cap out so the logic it doesn't take long to get Beyond 8% no I mean assho it's super expensive right like it's like it's probably the cheaper of what you're
looking at out there but yeah yeah I me okay so the that makes me feel great asph I when you start thinking asphalt curbs versus you know Granite curves and things like that is is what I'm talking about yeah yeah so set
another way so I can understand we think about $100 million 8% would be $8 million would be our cap for outside that they'd participate in that they would participate right they they they will participate in with your reimbursement rate beyond that the
district will be picking up so then it would only be the x% of you yes yes so the the logic being always that the msba is contributing to your educational priorities and if they were to pick up a percentage of it all then they'd be
paying for everybody's football fields and they really really ad about not doing that so they try intentionally to keep strong guard rails on there so I think if it comes down to that vote at that time I guess the question is would we have both options to put out there I
mean we could put the turf for the constituent to decide at town meeting as a separate Bond well they'd be bonded together but yeah two separate votes I believe but the if they reject
that then we would be able to just say okay we're going to make a grass field well correct me if I'm wrong but we we're working with this in the Spencer um high school project with a synthetic versus a natural turf field and I believe there's engineering costs that would be to to design it two different
ways that would you'd have to pay them a little bit more to design it you know both ways to have that option I mean the good thing is is that I know for for turfield CPC will not reimburse turf fields but CPC is allowed
to be used for site development regard regardless whether you use turf or not so I mean I think we would also need to talk to the CPC committee to coordinate would would they be open to hearing about using some CPC money
towards site development on the turf field which would mitigate the cost of tur from our standpoint the reason why it's important to about at this moment is we're want to be sure we bring back through the estimating process any information you need um and
that's critical so if this is an alternate in any way either you know two separate votes or an idea that you just want all the information on we just want to be sure we're capturing both a a a a Turf and a non- Turf option in our cost
estimate I think so that we have that information and then you can make decisions about some of this after that um we should figure out what that means I think to Al's point if you're carrying forward both and you want detailed documents on both and that certainly
there's there's a a design concern there um I'm not sure we're talking detailed but enough to make a financial decision I mean this is not that far off from what I or the cost I guess when I was looking into this before it was what would the cost of brip out a field and
put in Turf but if we're starting from nothing and putting Turf the difference is not that great I mean I I understand it could be more than that but there was definitely at our town meeting vote there was absolutely interest in having Turf in town it wasn't maybe not
overwhelming but if there there was some interest and people probably be much more interested in doing this than uh start ripping out something and like the high school and starting new um maybe they want both I don't know but I I also
think that this this would be a lot easier to maintain I I would presume I interesting there's like a 10year break even yeah exactly I never would have guessed that and we can use it so much more which is there was a lot of places to it so Sprint it out yeah yeah so I I
I think 100% we need to get the information back I think that this would be a very attractive alternative I agree anybody else on the phone on this our Spencer job and cck P from wrong um Christen um they went with natural just
because there is a replacement cost that every how many years 15 or something 10 to 15 years or jump off that you you are going to rip it up and replace it at a at a a healthy cost well that's a great piece
of information to have on yeah yeah so where you have a natural grass field yes you have a higher maintenance cost throughout the year for mowing and and fertilizing or whatever you're doing on it to keep it um active um but it's
there for you know as the length of the school yeah well go look at Glen Brook and you can tell us if that's correct and I guess like it says maintenance cost only 5 to 10 but does that include like replacing the the
infill um is Brian Bri you still on I am here hi guys my name's Ryan morson I'm [Music] I do a bunch of athletic field can you hear me yes okay perfect so I do a bunch of
athletic fields throughout the Northeast um both natural and synthetic Cur um and this was a actually a slide from a presentation I did for another Community but it gave you kind of some general costs associated with everything the maintenance costs of 5 to 10 per
year um is as basically covering your labor to drag the field um some folks May uh some folks mayose to like stripe some of the less intensive striped uh athletic events like typically we would
recommend that you have football in into a field just from the standpoint of how long it takes but the 5 to 10 is really just to cover your labor cost associated with that when we spec a field we do require that they leave uh leftover infill on site and we find that that
lasts you quite a few years years uh usually around year five communities are reaching back out to ask to have another uh another batch of infill dropped off to the site but it's really dependent on types of use and usage at a middle school I don't anticipate you guys going
through a ton of infill because you're not getting that like real heavy use now if a high school starts using it uh you know or typically the places where we see infill needing to be replaced the most is like on synthetic or baseball fields like around the around the uh
batter's box or around the bases those are the areas where we see infill replaced a lot um but typically you know around that 5year Mark we we'll see folks reach back out get new infill dropped off at the site and then they can distribute that as necessary so question on that this would see a lot of
use would be heavy use it would be three football teams in the fall then it would be lacrosse teams in the spring and you can and field hockey and you can see like on our grass fields here
like where that we down Center where that net area is for lacrosse is just totally destroyed and then like it's destroyed for every other sport the rest of the year after the cross season's done so I I would say you're going to see a lot of use when you say three football teams
are you talking like a modified a JV and a varsity are all playing at this facility or it's that that fac middle yeah that it's used by our Middle School um youth team so sth eth and nth grade and there's two teams per grade well that's great you guys have a
lot of participation um yeah I I mean for that amount of use you're going to have a real hard time keeping natural grass regardless of the type of construction okay um we find this a lot at high schools because of
the intensity of use during the short duration of time frame you don't really have an opportunity to rest a national shff Athletic Field um and that's really the only way to recover those goal mounts like when you're or the center the center marks between the hashes on a football field um when they get worn out
you really want to you really want to aate the field you want to oversee top dress with sand and you want to give it a month to come back unfortunately the growing seasons and your school playing seasons are going to overlap with each other and so you really can't afford to
shut down a field in April and May because come March your teams want to get on the field or come August your teams want to get on the field which means in your growing season of September they can't give off a field and if you only have one field on the site if you have if you're landr and you can move people around to different
areas and rest Fields during uh during different times of the year you really have that capability of being able to let a field grow back and get those B mouth back healthy so that the root Zone can rehandle uh play but if you're if you're going to put all that use on one
field it's not likely that you're going to be able to keep without an exor amount of effort you'd be more towards that4 to $50,000 per year time you know cost on a national tur field to keep it as good as a synthetic turf field it's
kind of the key there because everyone can play on a natural turf field right like I don't want to say you have to spend 4 or50 on a field because youings aren't now and you're still making it wor but if it's going to look as Lush and as full and play as safe as a synthetic dir field it's going to take a lot of
Maintenance to do so oh now it's mud and dirt so yeah we get it when we when we assembled uh Youth Sports reps and and our park and wreck director and our PE uh teachers the they disagreed on many
things the one thing they all agreed on is that a grass field out there would be dirt in a very short amount of time even with everyone's best efforts so I I think and then and then you know you're
also with the with a turf field you're also offsetting your maintenance costs at the other grass fields in town it's it's it's taking the strain off of those fields so even on top of the sports you have the recess that's
going happening out there and gym class in gym class yeah yeah 665 students right I think I would Echo what Josh said I think we absolutely need the information on the costs associated with the a turf field and then let the
residents make an informed Decision One Way or Another Ryan so you have to you have to you know bring in new fill every once in a while but how about the full replacement of the Synthetic Turf how often does that need to happen so
they're fully guaranteed to to operate the way they're supposed to operate when they're installed for the term of 8 years our typical lifespan of the field now we're talking about the carpet and infil only is between 12 and 15 years
the carpet breaks down mostly because of solar exposure it does not while cleats can tear off fibers of it the the carpet doesn't really break down uh until it sees too much solar exposure that it turns to like almost a plastic bottle
that picture out a beach if it's all Frable and starts falling apart you'll start seeing uh the fiber start breaking way easier and then it's time to replace the field underneath that field so that's just the carpet underneath that field is an impact attenuation that
impact attenuation pad is originally we used to do impact attenuation via infill uh what we found is over the over the time Fields were compacting the sand and rubber was compacting and we weren't getting the same impact attenuation numbers from the installation of the
field to the end of the life of field and some of the fields were becoming unsafe and have to have in Ho from them so we started using a pad underneath Synthetic Turf Fields that's about five or six years ago and what we're finding now is We Get Much steadier impact
attenuation numbers and we just use less infill to offset it um that being said the pads today typically have a lifespan a warranteed lifespan of 25 years which means the pad stays through two carpet Replacements um and so you know anyone
should you should budget for a replacement at 12 years and hope you get the 15 years is kind of what I always tell everybody um but uh your pad replacement I could send you guys some costs but it's probably somewhere around the $4 to5 foot range to replace your
carpet currently today's numbers you know obviously there'll be some uh inflation on that down the road yeah I know like hea metal buil there 2011 and it's showing its age right about now so I mean it's about 14 or 15 years old it's matching right
up and that feeli gets a lot as far as the the numbers you see on this screen just as kind of a quick note those numbers are for like a typical size Synthetic Turf field that you see a single football field uh that are not applicable looking at the schematic
today that I saw for uh your proposed field with all of its intended uses you'd have a you'd have more cost you just have more square footage to deal with there but we could we could you know obviously you're going to go get cost and they'll help you get that and there's anything else we can right we'll we'll do that I I think that this idea
of breaking it out as a separate vote needs a lot more discussion with the msba it at the end of this schematic design phase we will be asked to provide the the construction cost of the project
um that will then go into that Grant negotiation or you know finalization um and then they're approving that when with East Long Meadow a pool building was a very very different thing than a you know1 to2 million turf field
um and they wanted to they they we had to pretend it wasn't there for the entire process because it had to be so divorced they viewed it as a community project separate from but they they couldn't kind of get rid of it so I think this is at a different scale and I
don't know how that's going to go over with make that have an agreement prior to getting to the vote so at this point we come in with the information out of here and if it's not a huge Delta it could be a lot more complex to to split
it out than we're imagining right now yeah and I think that tonight like Ryan bringing his information like he just did I think for me like I'm ready to just say go turf at the plan like he gave what I think I needed to hear I'm not saying that the rest of the
committee members needed that same information but the way he talked about you know field rotation and you need two months off we're never going to get two months off and we're going to go from you know X number of people to this and it's going to get the amount of usage that it is and you know for all those
reasons it just you know that it made stimate but I I still think we need the cost side by side if you tell us hey grasses like this and this is like for 300 Grand more you can get Turf than you know or whatever it is you're talking
first cost First cost of going in the a grass field versus a tur field yeah okay just high level yeah yeah everything that goes into this building is going to require maintenance I mean that that the you know the town's going to have to pay for and that's something that nickel
want to know as far as does he need you know you have to cut the grass once a week now or even more and you have to stripe it do all that but with Turf is it how often do you have to do anything to Turf you know is it once a month you have to do anything or rake it or I don't know the process for it and then I mean I guess these costs probably don't
cover like the snowblower attachment or the brushes and I don't know like it's yeah equipment will be different you'll have to you know be stocked with the right equipment and all that type of stuff and where do we store it yeah ni thinking all that typically in our spec we will include a Turf groomer
so we won't we wouldn't include the side by side unit to pull it or whatever you may pull it the gator whatever the staff may have but we would include a shf gror on a site that doesn't already had her um as far as like what is your monthly
or weekly maintenance strategy you're probably again depending on the use and how the infill is migrating on the field you may groom it as much as one once a week that's just pulling something over the top of it um other communities pull
drag them once a month uh another thing that can be a a nuisance is leaf falling on the field you want to get that organic material off the field so it doesn't work its way down into the infill so you want to Leaf blow it in the fall um as far as snow removal uh for snow blowers or anything
like that most uh synthetic tur providers will say that you can snowplow the field we recommend against it if you don't have to it is it runs a little bit warmer than everything begin with we've had some success with schools uh just
putting trash cans out on the field so that after a snowstorm they can remove the trash can uh there'll be some dark spots on the field and it will melt using solar exposure all on its own um and that kind of helps save the longevity of the of the synthetic fibers uh while getting you on the field early
in March get the little woles from this well do cool um before we leave the field issue I want to uh we did include in our uh PSR numbers some money for irrigation
and some of the things that are on the left were already there um and given the conversation about grass and concerns about the rest of the area and have grass Dy here heavily used I I want to just ask whether we should get in
information about irrigation around the building at all if you know so package a for the field would include irrigation as we already had assumed um package B would be if we don't we have a turfield well I don't know do turf fields need to
be sprayed down a while back you know say 10 12 years ago we were adding like uh water cannons is what they were calling them along synthetic tur fields and that was in an effort to fight the conversation
about how hot synthetic tur Fields could be during the summer right what we found for the most part in the Northeast is that the water cannons on the really hot days didn't make the field more be bearable it just made it kind of humid and hot at the same time um and in the
Northeast we don't get too many complaints about it being warmer because of when high schools are trying to play right high schools are trying to play you know April May June September October November and so the little bit warmer atmosphere that we get at high schools is typically wanted yes there's
a couple of months especially at busy high schools or high schools that have summer program where it can get hot in you know June July and August and so especially at the end of June and July and so you know we ask schools to monitor it but we don't
we don't recommend spraying the fields down anymore with with water it just kind of makes it kind of nasty out there so I was thinking you know in package to Turf no irrigation MH um but just as an information gathering is
their interest in putting irrigation Elsewhere on the site to maintain any other planting areas that you've been concerned about or is irrigation problematic if you don't need it well if you water it then you have to cut
it now we know why the fields are dead um you know it's it's just it's another maintenance layer so um I think irrigation would just be another thing for us to take care of that we don't have the capability to
take care of I I mean I'd be totally line with you like using drought tolerant plants or whatever whatever materials that blend into the nature so the soil improvements D tolerant seatings how about with lead points and
things like that I mean as far as irrigation that's a big we would have had to sacrifice we you would sacrifice some points if you put in irrigation on on leaves but I think if you had strong strong desire I just wanted to bring it up but I'm happy to not do it I just wanted to check if that was no strong
desire for me okay great and not putting in irrigation T money for the tur field exactly makes um so you want to talk about the sustainability issues
sure yeah Brian thank you that was awesome thank you um real quick just wanted to report to the committee we did have a meeting with eversource on these path one incentive rates they have a fantastic
presentation um we have always been targeting this but it was just good to sit down with them I we're now kind of in line we're on their radar um and understand a little bit more of the the Nuance of this we were there with our um design team our mechanical engineers and our electrical engineers in particular
was important so we are we are Target the tier one um for what they call a net zero level school um and how they determine if you are quote unquote you know a potential Net Zero project is by
this um energy use intensity score this eui range so you'll start hearing that more as these Energy Efficiency measures um you know catch on with the state as well um but it's basically just calculating your energy used per square
foot of your building and they want it very much to be just the energy use of the building not of the site um so for instance we learned that we will have to have a metering system not that ever Source can read but that the district can determine um we will have some EV
parking spots on the site and so we'll want to make sure that that energy use is not attributed to the building um same thing for the sight lights at the football field that that energy use is not attributed to the building because that would skew your numbers and e
parking spots required by as part of the project required not according to lead but according to the stretch code Municipal and how many I think it's 10% of your total plus you have to have infrastructure for future I mean that's
fine by me but Josh have you guys ever like decided the rates on that thing so we can open up the don't even get me started that currently every single charger in town has a heavy because our service are went out of business oh is that what it is okay it's
a absolute disaster okay so it has nothing to do we have rates in place if this we go up they did ask the town about this and there's no you know we don't plan our planning director is leaving it's a a tough I'm not sure
how we're going to solve that issue yeah so we there is some discussion bring this up it's the wild wild I mean having so had X nlx or something and we uh they went out of business and we were trying to find someone else that just take it
over for us and use their rates I don't know it's but we do have that's for charging other people we have chargers at like DPW that we use so and I don't know what that rate is but there's some way to do it
okay um I don't care if cheap as long as they're there right and when I say 10% that's that then you cut it in so if if you needed 10 spots that would be five Chargers just to okay cool thanks so um we are targeting a an eui
of 25 or less um it does mean our building envelope has to be super efficient but also has a lot to do with the mechanical equipment um so then you get a constructive a construction incentive of $2 per square foot um from from Mass from ever Source there's uh an
additional incentive um for the type of mechanical system that you are proposing um we are looking at Ground Source heat pumps with a geothermal um which comes with the highest incentive of $4,500 per ton um
so the folks at eversource were thrilled to hear that we were already um considering that as part of the project um and how many tons would this be forget to be good yeah I don't let you know their
next meeting okay I'm not sure they're in the middle of energy modeling it so I I don't know if we know exactly what's uh roundabout for building this well I'll tell you that doing the math on this this is several million dollars worth of incentive okay so several million
dollars rings a bell thank [Laughter] you um there is an additional incentive for um the district supplying eversource with how the um you know how the building is performing after we're done
so the post occupancy is another $11.50 per square foot um so that does involve uh sharing the the energy um you know requirements um after the Project's over um but seems like it's certainly worth that small amount of paperwork
that other clients who have done that no okay this is want Nick to understand he's signing up for to get the additional cash yeah Nick all about you Nick but the building so heavily metered you know
that that data is not too hard to get okay right just sharing um now the um so that's the that's the process for the the um reimbursement um in terms of
the process for going through the um you know this whole starting with eversource they want an energy model at the end of schematic design which is interesting because the msba does not require an energy model at that point um but we're working with our mechanical
engineers they are working on that right now so we'll share that data with ever Source um as we submit the information to the msba they have an outside consultant review that information and provide feedback um that outside consultant is
is supposedly giving a price a quote to do that to eversource right now and that gets split 50/50 between the district town and ever Source picking up half of those costs um then we submit the energy model again halfway through design
development and at the end of design development um and that's making sure that we are still on target with that 25 um or less uh energy use intensity um so it's very prescribed process we were
there with the person who um is going to do the energy model review for eversource um an outside consultant private firm in Massachusetts um the woman was fantastic also seemed um very on top of it um and so just having her
be able to talk to our mechanical engineer this early in the in the process uh was very helpful so um it all looks like it's moving forward we have some paperwork to sign with the with the town um um but this process is is
underway awesome the the incentives are um the incentives payable at the end of one year of occupancy you so those come from ever Source right the incentives payable at the end of construction are those Federal
incentives no this is all through the M program so this is separate from the IRA this is separate from any federal incentives that we and you said this is new so there's no history of how long it actually does take to pay it
back pay it back so I mean payable to me that's a very loose word where it could take four months it could take a year in terms of when they pay yeah that's a good question Tom and is it is it payable or
accredited well that's that's what I'm wondering too yeah um they did have a very long list of projects in their presentation of that have gone through this um process the vast majority of them are schools because they're just you know but um
it's open for for all construction the um the slide says Elementary I'm assuming that's just a typo would apply to our Middle School the same Inc yeah those are the same that we were looking at down the road with the high school as well yeah I think that brings us to the end
of the well I said something about schedule updates too do you guys on our side just uh just to mention that um a couple other meetings to let you know about we did have our lead sheret kickoff which was with all of our consultants and the district to look at
our lead points and goals and how we're doing on that and align them with the district priorities um and we're we're on tap for um U silver still we have 46 strong yeses 48 Mayes um and we only
need 50 total and there's some pilot uh points that we're also looking at that I'll talk to the dist about that are basically just kind of checklist process of considering resiliency issues um but not actually changing anything in the design so that's going well we did talk
about meeting um some upcoming meetings that were in the scheduling one is another Security review with the to um prior to the end of this phase so that's in the middle of being scheduled right now um and the other is a just general
um Town look at the site plan and utilities and the geothermal and the phasing and kind of getting everybody on board thinking about those issues in case there's any concerns or mitigation issues that we need to know about or think about prior to the the cost estim
so we're just trying to wrap everything up for the estimate process okay anybody else on the phone anything seeing none i' entertain sorry no wor entertain a
motion to adjourn make a motion to mooved I have second second any discussion see none call for a vote Marty yes Josh has left Chris yes David yes
Carissa yes and Nicole yes Armen yes we are adjourned thank you everybody great meeting thank you thank you e