and five, four, three, two, one. >> Good evening. Welcome to the Wednesday, April 8th, 2026 meeting of the middle school building committee. This meeting will be a hybrid meeting both in person and on the phone.
Uh, I'm going to ask for uh voting members to please uh acknowledge that they are here. Kate >> here. >> Chris >> here. >> Marty >> here. >> Armen here. Wait.
>> It's been a long day, folks. Cararissa. >> Oh, wait. We don't. Sorry. We're muted. I had us muted. >> Cararissa, are you here? >> Yes, I'm here. >> Good. Lynn, >> I'm here. >> Okay. Any other voting members that I
have missed? Oh, >> and uh Josh Lavine here >> good. Okay. All right. Uh moving on. Call to order. Are there any public comments?
Seeing none, I will move on to approval of minutes from February 11th, 2026. Is there a motion? >> So moved. >> Is there a second? Second. >> Motion approved. Second. Is any discussion?
>> Sorry. Discussion. >> Um, okay. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> Mari, >> yes. >> Armen, yes. Cararissa, >> yes. >> And Lynn, >> uh, stay on his absent.
>> Okay, there we go. Minutes are approved. There is no correspondence that I'm aware of, Marty. >> No. Okay. All right. Owners project manager update. Collars. >> Great. I'll let Marty pull up the uh the presentation. We can start with the
schedule. >> One second. >> Yep. >> All right. >> Great. Uh so, thank you very much. I'm just going to run through the uh the schedule quickly here. um that red arrow is getting closer and closer to that construction mark which is very
exciting. So we've been working on um with JWA and Fontaine getting the bid documents together for at least the enabling phase of the project. Um so we had a call today about that and when Chad gets back next week, he's away on vacation until Tuesday. Uh we'll work
with him on posting um the bid advertisements and and getting those out the bid. And so that's going to be for um electrical on the town's end and then Fontaine is going to be going out to bid for the uh site contractor uh for the enabling phase as well. Um so that's
planning on starting right when school gets out. So middle of June um after graduation, we're going to be getting in there and um you'll start seeing equipment going in and fences going up and all that good stuff. So it's very exciting. Um, and from there, um, we're going to move into full construction, which will start around right around
September, and then we have construction all the way through fall of 2028 when the kids move in. So, very exciting. Any questions on schedule or where we are at this point? >> Cool. >> Okay, move on to uh update on the
pre-qual process. Yeah. So, we had the pre-qualification and we went out to um get submissions for electrical and for elevator. Electrical, we received uh four submissions. ML Schmidt, Wayne J. Griffin, Universal Electric, and
Collins. Uh Elevator, as expected, we got no responses. For whatever reason, Elevator um does not respond to RFQS. So, we wanted to do this early because we're going to have to do it again. And we expect again that we will not get any responses. And then from there, it's going to be on Fontaine's court to go
out just directly to elevator uh contractors to um get some bids on that. Uh but for the electrical, uh we had the four that I said submitted. They're all who we really expected to submit on this project. Uh they're all fantastic
electricians, electric, you know, companies. Um they all score very high. Uh no issues on anybody's end from this point. Uh so we are going to be uh sending their letters that they can bid on the project and uh we you know hopefully all four of them do bid so we
have some competitive bids uh coming in for the enabling phase. Uh so that's what we have. >> So question for Fontaine on that is is it pretty competitive? Do you expect them all to toss a bid in? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I don't see why they wouldn't. >> Okay. >> Yep. and we've worked with all of them before and they're they're all really good. >> And then what's the next step on pre-qualls for other trades? >> Yeah, so once we'll be doing another
package um for we're going to be doing plumbers next and then from there it's going to be the next, you know, 10 trades that we're going to be doing. Um and that'll be for the full rest of the the project essentially. And would you
expect like the same kind of response like demand? >> Yeah, I mean some trades you'll get a lot more, some you may only get a couple, but we expect that we're still going to have some pretty heavy uh competition coming in which is great, which we want to see. >> Perfect. Any other questions?
Josh, you look like you have a question formulated. >> Uh I guess I kind of do, but I didn't think it was prudent. Um, has that the electrical thing that we had to order right away, which is why we went with the construction manager at risk. I
don't remember what it's called. >> Was it the generator or the switch gear? >> No, probably switch gear. >> Switch gear. >> Is that all? >> Well, we don't have an electrical on board yet. >> Yeah. Oh, that was a good question. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, anything that has a long
lead time, you know, it's typically, you know, generators right now aren't as long as they used to be, but yeah, it's a switch gear that is typically a long lead time. So, they'll get that going. >> So, we're waiting for this to happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Right. Yep. >> Good question. >> But you were right that we could have bought Fontaine could have bought it
itself and given it to the u the electrical that was selected. >> Yeah. I just don't want to I know that we that's one of the reasons we went CMR to make sure that we didn't run into any delays. Want to make sure that's not going to happen. >> Right. We're trying to cut that off at the pass with doing the electrical pre pre-qualification first. >> Yeah.
>> And this enabling phase isn't necessarily for that, but this enabling phase is to, >> you know, you have the traffic signal you got to run for, you have, you know, conduits, all that kind of stuff. They need to be moved, uh, infrastructure, that type of stuff. Um, so that's what this initial enabling package is for.
>> And then we the process going forward is packages as well, right? Oh, yeah. That way. Okay. All right. switch gear is off of the 60% MSBA set which is in May. Um and then concrete and structural is off of the 90% cost estimate set in July and
then the big package will be at the end of September. Cool. Thanks, Grace. Any other questions? All right, let's move on to the change order process and finance subcommittee selection. So um I guess this is us finance. So
basically there's or do you want to take us through? >> No no no you can start it and then I can jump in. >> Okay. So so basically there's two motions that we need tonight. Um potentially and the two motions are one is to establish a finance subcommittee.
So two or three people uh I mean three people for make sure we have an odd number for voting purposes. um they have the authorization to approve um some purchase orders up to $100,000, right? >> Yeah. So, so PCOS, which are potential
change orders. >> Um >> Okay. And then that subcommittee will also approve all invoices. So, kind of like, you know, we get all the invoices in, we just make sure they're correct and then sign off on them. Correct. Is that Yep. >> All right.
>> Kind of like the old warrants on the school committee, Tom. Is that kind of like and then >> secondly would be emergency work. So if something comes up that has to be done and we don't have time to so finance subcommittee would be an official
committee. It would have to post meeting times and minutes and everything like a normal meeting. So it's and and we've looked into could you have a working group or something else around that and you cannot. So we've asked that question. Um, so if there's something
that comes up, you know, somebody hits a pipe and water starts flying everywhere and it's under $50,000, how do we handle emergency stuff like that? And so, can we give um town manager Marty or Tom the authority
up to $50,000 to approve those emergency orders? Um, so that's the So that's two. So, um, there's two there's a motion. Um, if somebody wants to make it and then we can discuss the first one, which would
be the finance subcommittee. Make a motion that the building committee establish a finance subcommittee and authorize that subcommittee to review and approve potential change orders up to $100,000 per PCO and approve all invoices
with members uh to include I guess I I don't want to be presumptuous about who to include in that. So I don't know if probably maybe we can >> Yeah. So typically what it is so finance subcommittee is is a committee that we set up on pretty much every project and the and the reason for having this
subcommittee is to keep the project moving and not slow things down. If we're meeting just once a month in this committee, it's hard to meet just once a month. If we have potential change orders that then slow the contractor down, then you know it hurts the schedule overall and you know that costs
money. Uh so the finance subcommittee we would set up to have twice twice a month we would meet and if there's times we don't need to meet we just cancel the meeting but if we have PCOS that we want to discuss and invoices then we will would have the meeting um and so those PCOs are then
bundled up together and they're that's what forms a change order. So the change orders would be brought to the full committee to and that changes Fontaine's contract, but potential change orders are giving authorization for Fontaine to continue working. So that's what we're looking to do is to not hold that up.
And then the emergency work is, as um Armen mentioned, is to keep things moving on a if something comes up that day. And that's really to protect, you know, public safety, you know, property issues that we have or the project schedule. Um, so we run into these, it's
not a lot that we run into these issues, but we do run into them on every project and they will come up that we'll need, you know, kind of a a go no-go for for that day. Um, so that's where that comes into play. >> So, can we split the first motion up into two things? One, just establishing
the finance subcommittee, and then we can have a conversation around who how we want the makeup to happen. Does it have to be all in one or >> No, no, no. However you guys decide to break it up, that's okay. Um, as far as the members go, it should be somebody who the members should be familiar with the
project on a pretty intimate basis. It's um, you know, and people who are readily available, you know, that can meet in these times and and and be available for a phone call if something comes up or whatever the case may be. But you really want to know what's happening, you know, on a week-toeek basis in the
construction field. Um, so >> is there gonna be a discussion or can I ask a question now? >> Uh, we we're kind of like in the middle of a motion. So technically I think we have to >> let me restart it. I'll let me let me rephrase. So I'll start with to motion to establish a finance subcommittee and
authorize the subcommittee to review and approve potential change orders up to $100,000 per p and approve all invoices. >> There's a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. There's a motion and a second. All right. Time for discussion.
>> So the PCO, is this these are these allocations within the budget or is this addition to the budget? >> Well, this is it's within the overall project budget, but typically what it is is you're looking for um moving money from our contingency to
the construction budget. I mean there's other line items you can move it to, but 90% of the the transfers are going to be from your contingency to construction, >> right? So the the group should understand the status of our contingency pool when taking decisions on
>> Oh, absolutely. And so that'll be we keep we keep track of all >> potential changes that might come up >> um and anything that's anticipated and we go over that log during that finance subcommittee meeting just so everybody understands you know what's pending, what's been approved and how much money
is left. Any other questions? Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> Marty, >> yes. Armen, yes. Lynn, >> yes. >> Kursza,
>> yes. >> That's it. >> We're good. Motion passes. So, we want to make a motion on Do we have to have it specific people right now or do we say we want to have a membership of three and that way if
somebody leaves or anything, it gives us the flexibility to replace them as opposed to >> No, we should move. I was gonna say have the members say and if somebody leaves then you would have another another meeting. We would vote somebody else in to take the place. >> No one's allowed to leave. >> What's this leave stuff?
>> This is the Hotel California on Mill Street. Um all right. So then um I guess we should we're still kind of like there. So >> I'm I'm happy to serve on that finance subcommittee just given my availability and my you know my it's part of my
day-to-day job. So, I'm happy to serve if the committee wants that, but >> and and it doesn't have to be a voting member of the >> correct >> of the the full committee. It can be a >> you can appoint >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> If we're looking for flexibility, my
schedule for the foreseeable future is very flexible. So, I'm not sure I can help on this subcommittee, but if so, I would be happy to. Am I and Chris I think that's uh a great I
just wonder I assume we won't be watching the construction or uh involved how involved do we want >> thing like I I'm like right >> I guess that's a question for Adam how >> yeah so typically individuals who are on
this they they'll come to we have OAC meetings which owner architect contractor meetings. They'll participate in those. They'll be a part, you know, they'll they'll know what's actively happening and so if we say, "Hey, we're going to be doing this construction then, you know, next week and then
something comes up," they understand how we got to that point and kind of really familiar with it. So, somebody who is going to be a part of the process throughout the entire construction. >> Who's at those meetings now? Is is Tom there? >> Tom is there. Marty's there.
>> Oh, interesting. being very quiet or very >> Yeah, >> sounds like a >> I I think it I mean, you know, I if the meetings are on our regular schedule and these would be pretty quick meetings because we probably would have the prior
knowledge that we would need to make a quick vote. So, I don't think the meetings themselves will require a lot of time, but the >> the prior knowledge that you might need leading up to it. So, >> yeah, it'll be hard for somebody to get caught up on a particular change if they're not involved. I know uh I know Tom and Lenn have busy lives, but you
know if they're open and available. >> Well, I mean it seems like this would be part of the acco meetings and just >> it feels like it would be tied to that. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, in my view, what's helpful is it is helpful to think about the town
and the school district being involved because there's also content decisions about does this make sense for what's going to happen in this building over time and who really has that knowledge about how it's functionally affecting things or if we're making changes to the design as a result of a PCO, you know,
having those conversations. So, the extension of the OAC conversations is logical >> and they follow the meeting law. So posting meetings, agendas, minutes, all that. >> Yeah. So we would keep the minutes and do the agendas and all that kind of
stuff on our end. Um and kind of keep track, not kind of, we will keep track of all the finances and how that all goes. So um it'll just be a matter of if I get access to post them or if I just, you know, you know, supply everything to Tammy and Tammy post them. But they do
have to follow open meeting law. Is there any involvement with town procurement? >> No. >> Nope. >> Can't do the chat. He's not even here. >> Well, I didn't hear Lynn speak up, so I don't want to speak for
>> silence is acceptance. >> Yeah, I'm agree with it. I um we kind of had some preliminary discussions uh last week about this, so I'm fine with it. >> Cool. And do we have a motion?
>> I move that uh we appoint Marty O'Shea, Tom Maza, and Lynn Simmons to the finance subcommittee. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris,
>> yes. >> Dave, >> yes. >> Marty, >> yes. >> Armen, yes. Carissa, >> yes. >> And Lynn, >> yes. >> Motion passes. There's a second motion on the emergency work. >> I move that we authorize the town
manager, superintendent, or business administrator to approve emergency work up to $50,000 per incident when immediate action is necessary to protect public safety, property, or project schedule. >> There's a motion second. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any discussion?
>> Yeah. Um, in terms of public safety, protecting property, I assume the construction manager has a responsibility to take immediate action to do the same. >> Oh, absolutely. >> In spite of the cost, >> right? >> Yes. But there are certain instances
that come up where they can prevent something from, you know, stop a situation, but then how do you remedy remedy it? >> That's going to cost money to do that. So, you want to be able to have somebody who's available to give that authorization to, you know, if you're putting in another pipe or whatever the
case may be, um, to give them the authorization to go ahead. >> Okay. >> Is there ever a scenario where we would want language that um, had it necessary to protect cost escalation or project financials
escalating? It might fall under project schedule. That's what I was just going to say. I think that's going to fall under product schedule anyways because if it's something we need right away, um, typically it's not ordering something. Typically it's something that comes up where you're out in the field
and you're excavating and you hit a pipe that was unforeseen that wasn't marked off on any of the asbuilt drawings or anything like that. Um, but your situation I think would fall under project schedule. >> Great. Any further conversation?
Seeing a call for the vote. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> Marty, >> yes. >> Armen, yes. Carissa, >> yes. >> Lynn, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Moving on to design update. All these lovely materials I see
in front of me. >> Sure. Um, so Marty, do you have the current PowerPoint because mine looks slightly different. Oh, maybe we just skipped a slide with some meeting information. >> Uh, >> no, this is
>> Oh, is it the next one, I think. >> Yeah, that that concerns me slightly. Um, >> okay. >> Did you uh refresh today? >> Uh, Bobby had sent it to me as a PDF a couple of days ago. I hadn't I didn't get a
>> I didn't get a >> PowerPoint that could be refreshed. I could try. >> Yeah, check your email. >> Okay, >> it's not a huge difference. Uh but there's just subtle differences. >> Came at 148 or >> Okay. Yeah, >> sorry about that. I tend to tend to
tweak. >> Yeah, have on my email since then. So, okay. Second. So yeah, we do have a review of um uh work completed and remember we reviewed exterior materials and interior
materials in the last phase. So we're going to talk through those. But um while we're pulling up that PowerPoint to go through that, I'll just give you an update on some of the meetings that have taken place. Um so quite a busy last month. Uh we've gone through the
ZBA meeting that um uh uh got the special permit uh allowance for the building height. That was a critical decision to have made. Um also had a very positive meeting in front of the planning commission. Um that went very well, but they did extend it uh two weeks to have a little more discussion,
but it doesn't look like there's any concerns there. Um the tree committee has um process the tree issues. There are a number of trees that have to come down as a result result of the work. That decision isn't finalized. Um that uh that's extended out to April 16th
with the select board. >> We voted to remove uh to uphold the appeal. I don't remember the exact term, but >> um there was objections to removing the four or six trees. Four of them were right in front of the school. >> Yeah.
>> And those are being removed. There's two that are in front of um in a butter's house >> and uh they would be we're having another meeting on that next week. >> Um but we wanted to uh we didn't have great materials in front of us and we
wanted to have more discussion with the uh the reser. >> Yeah. So that's getting getting prepped and we'll come back with with more specific on those individual trees. >> Um and then internally there have been a number of reviews that have been less
public. uh uh including additional um uh site circulation reviews, a utility and coordination review with the town. Um another security review that went very well with um police and fire. Uh we're getting into the specifics of uh door
numbering and and logistics for um activation of specific doors. Uh and we had a lengthy review with faculty at their last professional development um session and reviewed everything with faculty again. So, in general, things have been going really well. Um, we do
have these kind of re-reviews coming up and then we'll talk a little bit more about um the MSBA deadlines as we come to the end. We'll speak to that because I know you have some votes you want to be sure. Do you want us to jump to the votes now? Because there are a few votes that are committee votes that are at the
end of the presentation that are pretty easy to do, but you're concerned about losing some votes. >> Yeah, we're going to lose a few. Um, so, uh, Marty, if you could go down to slide 33. >> Oh, we're giving away all the good stuff, but
um, >> really quickly. >> And and Christian, do you want to pick up on the the two committee votes? >> Oh, this monitor needs tuning. >> I just went There's two two votes that are required
tonight. One is uh an additional reimburseable expense. Um I think we had a similar vote at the last meeting. This one is for Tai and Bond to do uh to address EPA requirements relative to storm water and groundwater dewatering.
Um typically a lot of the scope is done by the contractor, but with this um speed of the enabling package coming up, we wanted time and bond to do as much of the um kind of the engineering work that we can do ahead of time um so that we
can pass it to a contractor and have that go a little bit more smoothly. Um so uh they are going to preare prepare a storm water pollution prevention plan which everyone in the industry likes to call a SWIP. Um that's for 6240. And
then the part that requires a bit more work is the NPDES, National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System. And that's for um site dewatering um which we will need to do when we're doing foundations um and probably a little bit with the uh
geotechnical as well. I mean uh geothermal. Um so both those together uh come to a fee of 63,889. Um again we had an original budget of around 725,000 for you know
reimburseable expenses process. I think um you know we're pretty close to the end here. We have hazmat on board. We have geotechnical on board. We've completed all of our site surveys, etc. Um and so with if this is
approved, uh we would still have around $255,000 remaining in that original budget. >> So you need a motion on this or >> we would to add it to our contract as a reimburseable expense. That would be great.
>> Is there a motion? >> Move that the building committee approve uh the reimburseable expenses submitted by time bond as an addition to the JWA contract. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further questions?
>> Just want to put the amount. >> Sure. As amended. >> As amended. 6389 >> totaling $63,889. >> The only question I had was in reading the agreement, it almost sounded like this would be an expense we'd see on an
ongoing basis or is it just a one-time thing? >> No, it's a one time. They'll build towards this amount. We keep track of that when we submit our invoices. Um so just hazmat because some of this will take time especially the NPDES. Um but
our hazmat consultant is in a similar manner where they have build some of their fee for the engineering work up front and then some of it they're actually in the field during construction. Um so yeah it's part of our will be part of our monthly invoice. >> Yeah. And we review all the invoices
from the architect before we send them off to be paid. So they'll have their base fee and then underneath you'll see all the reimburseable expenses. >> Thank you. >> Good. >> None of this comes in front of Long Concom, right? >> Notice on tent to me says Con, but I would be surprised.
>> Yeah. No, this is all EPA. This is >> state and federal. >> These are all required. So this motion is about the allocation of the scope and the cost to JWA. >> Correct. >> Okay. I think my question is similar to what
David had just asked. So maybe if I understand this, we did know about this. We just didn't know the dollar amount at the time or we didn't know about this and we're just adding this now. >> We didn't know the exact scope uh until the project's much more defined. And
then this one's also a little bit more unique again in that the SWIP in particular uh often is covered by the contractor and in this case our engineers are going to do it ahead of time to make that process go a little bit quicker.
>> Yeah. >> And so the 255 remaining, are we confident that we'll that will still cover our reimburseables? >> Yes. But if we're taking this scope out of the contractor's scope and applying it
to JWA isn't there, then are we recovering this cost somewhere else? >> Potentially when the contractor bids on the project, the site contractor, you will have a $6,000 smaller bid than you would have
otherwise. Does that make sense? >> Well, it absolutely must make sense, right? I mean, they're not performing the SWIP. Um, >> yeah. So, typically, so because we want to see CM at risk and they're building packages, a CN, they're eventually going
to have a GMP, which is a guaranteed maximum price, and that's after they go out and they get all their bids in. Essentially, that guaranteed maximum price is going to be less this amount because it's in JWA's court and not in Fontaine's. >> Yeah. So I mean really my question is about it coming out of discretionary is
that it's more procedural than actual because in terms of the overall budget this isn't a new expense. >> It's not really going to change. It's going to be an expense either way. It's just being it's just going to be built through JWA instead of being built through Fontaine. >> Right. >> Separate buckets.
>> Okay. >> Any further questions? Seeing none. Call for a vote. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> V, >> yes. >> Marty, >> yes. >> Armen, yes. Cararissa, >> yes. >> And Lynn, >> yes.
>> Motion passes. Is there another vote here for you or >> next one? Yes, please. So, this we I also have voted on before. This is for proprietary items. Again, these are items that um typically we have to give three or equals in our specifications so that you can get three
different types of sheetrock on your walls or three different types of windows. Um if there's a reason for the town or district to choose something to be proprietary, typically it has to do with making sure that that system works with other buildings within the district or
the town. Um so again, we had already approved nine of these as shown above. um in talking to the district um and also our uh security team. Um we had kind of thought that access communications with the security cameras
would cover it, but it's actually a different specification section. We're really getting into the weeds here. So, we wanted to uh specifically add uh security intercoms and vape sensors also under access communications so that
whole system can work together. Is there a motion? >> I'll move that we approve access communications security intercoms and access communications vape sensors as proprietary items. >> Motion. Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Any questions? My only question is when we talked about this before, we talked about that fire the smoke detector being the same thing as the vape. Like is this all like
Like at the time I thought we were talking, we didn't really know whether the smoke detector was a vape dete detector or that was a separate or >> the vape sensor has some potential additional capabilities um in terms of monitoring sound and
other um aspects of the security system. Um I think that will still be open to the district. We've had a very difficult time with these vape sensors as it's a new technology. Mhm. >> Um in some of the schools that are getting built right now, our hope is
that by including this as part of the security system and not having it be an outside vendor, that will help things greatly. Um so that's why we wrapped it into that access communications package. >> So I guess I have a question for the
district. Like does this do anything? >> Like I mean no I mean like you're saying you're having issues with like Is this actually catching kids vaping or is this >> I think I think they're I think they're a deterrent. Um I think
all districts are challenged by how quickly the vape sensors are activated and how quickly administrators can get to the restrooms and what the communication from the vape sensor to a a administrator's devices. But >> exactly right.
>> You know, I think our administrators, Nicole Allen's on the call, would I don't want to speak for her, but I'd say the they've been a net positive despite some of the technical challenges with the devices
>> and access. >> Yeah, I mean, I I think that if we're I mean, I do agree. I think they probably should be in there, but we don't think I had one time it went off in the time it's been in the school and one of it wasn't even real because it was like dry
shampoo was sprayed in the girls' room. So, um, but I mean the high school gets way more, you know, hits of vape and we know that because we get emails. So, I don't know if like that would be helpful to see like whether it helps them catch kids or
what. Right. >> And are there grants out there for this kind of stuff like from like close or >> I think that was initially how we secured our first round of vape sensors was through some grant funding. >> Okay.
>> I'm not sure if that's still available. >> Nicole, would you say that >> Warren Shirley Warren I think would know that she's the one that got them set up and had them like installed. She was the one that kind of initiated all of this and I believe yeah it was a grant. I don't know where they're at anymore but
I think at that time we thought we were getting an app on our phone that was going to alert us right away but that's not the case. It's like you have to be on your email to see the alert happen which is not realistic for administrators >> and I mean >> two different kinds too. We have a Halo
one and a Zepive one. Part of the reason for going to access didn't used to provide this and they do now and that that will make the communication much more streamlined and tied in to the same notification system. >> Yeah. And the motion isn't regarding the physical hardware anyways. It's around
the interconnectivity which again I just while it was open I thought I would at least ask those questions about the hardware. >> Any other questions? >> All right call for a vote. Kate, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. Marty,
>> yes. Armen, >> yes. >> Yes. >> We're gonna get that Hyundai today. Flynn, >> yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> All right. Go back now to design update. Now we can do the fun stuff. >> No.
>> Okay. >> And August, I'll let you take take over here. >> Great. Thanks, Dory. Um, yeah. So, we've been continuing to refine our exterior material selections uh as we move into construction documents. So, some of this
is a reminder of where we were uh last time we looked at this and then with some additional selections and plenty of fun new materials here as well. So, um, as a reminder, uh, our primary material pallet, uh, which you're seeing here,
features the, uh, mix of brick, which is our large sample there. Um, it's three different, uh, slight variations, um, that are mixed together at a there's a percentage to it, but it it's that field there, and that happens at most of the
building. um with the uh it's called the urban gray clay coat which is on the right side here is our accent brick which you're seeing between the uh first floor and second floor windows and then the ebonite velour is the dark brick um directly behind me and that is the water
table band that you're seeing at the bottom um and is also what is used at the administrative wing. Um, this is again very similar what we were looking at before with a couple sort of uh modifications to some of the metals on the side and the samples that we have
here also have slightly grout colors. Um, so uh you can take a look at that as as well. >> Um, is that the water table is that lower than what we had previously seen or is this just on this particular part of the building? >> It's uh that is the should be about the
same height as what we were looking at before. Um we've uh I guess been as we working through the window details figuring out exactly where that wants to fall so that our sills work at the right height inside. Um that is at 2 feet in this here and that band carries all the way around at that same two foot height.
>> Okay. Does that like hide dirt at the bottom or something like that? >> Well, no. I mean I mean if you're straight down to the bottom with the light brick just the bottom. >> Yeah, it it it definitely helps with that. It also just helps ground the building which I think is a little more replic uh obvious in the perspective views which we'll see in a second but
>> um >> and it it just it helps sort of yeah with that separation from the ground plane up the building. >> Um going to go to the next slide. Um so then at the admin wing um what we had
talked about before was having this uh single tone brick um mixed with the uh ebonite velour. Um I think there was some discussion about whether we wanted to use the field brick uh the so I should say the mix at this portion as
well which um we actually feel potentially good about to sort of uh give a sneak peek but there's some views that show the options that um a little later so we can come back to that. Um so and then uh the next slide. Um so uh at
the um B-wing and media center and a couple other areas we have the glass fiber reinforced um concrete panel uh which is two different tones of green. They're over here on the table um along with the uh curtain wall and um yeah and
then reintroducing the mix of brick. Um, one thing we did not talk about last time, which you want to go to the next slide, Marty, um, is the actual glazing. Um, so where we have this curtain wall, uh, which is primarily at these accent locations in the the GFRC panel. It's
also at our stairs, um, and a couple other locations around the building, using that to, um, accent those different programs in the inside and provide both visual interest on the outside and inside of the building. Um, we've been looking at introducing because the curtain wall is more
flexible with the system, uh, different types of glazing in there as well, different types of glass. So, this is actually showing, um, some panes with a color tint to them. Um, as well as some panes with, uh, this, it's called channel glass. It's kind of like a frosted glass. It's actually two
channels, the sort of U-shaped pieces that slot together and create this um, sort semifrosted look. Um, and again, it is it's partly to um break up the large span of the opening, but it's also um to help dapple the quality on the inside.
And because we have that flexibility, these spaces and really highlight them. Um, so on the upper right, you're seeing a couple examples of what the um colored glass might look like uh on the inside where you sort of get some of that um color falling. and we're looking at uh
some options that um coordinate with the interior color palette. Um and then below uh this image is from a previous project of ours with the channel glass you can see as those vertical pieces there. So um it has this sort of semi-opaque quality to it. That's
actually sort of similar to the um opaqueness of the canopy panel as well. So it's >> go back up to the upper right hand one. >> Yeah. So like like I get if that's a teaching space and those colors are shining through they don't >> it's not a teaching space.
>> So that would not happen with the teaching spaces >> and one reason it's only on the stairs right so when you're say you're >> but even the kids studying or just hanging out or whatever I mean >> but that's not our design. >> I know I know what I was just saying. I mean but if we're talking about those colors are those colors come through and
are they going to be like kind of annoying? Um I I guess so where this is happening is at the stairs and at sort of um those at like the entry um sort of places where this is not happening in classrooms. It's not really happening at places where kids are are sitting and
studying. Okay. >> Um and and it's true that we need to be careful about making sure that it's not too intense. And so part of what we've been looking at is being very uh selective about which pains have that color and to make sure that it's not really strong. Um, so I mean something
like I' I'd say that these two images here are are kind of on the the strong end of what we would want to do. And if we can back it off a little bit even more that that would be good. >> Okay. Thanks. >> And the purpose of the colored glass is just aesthetic or >> um it's to I I guess yes, but it's doing
a couple different things. It's it's helping um to keep these large uh windows from feeling too monolithic. I think it's also um in coordination with the channel glass helping to dabble that light on the inside and it again is coordinating with the color selections
for the actual interior palette. But >> I'd add two more reasons per one is that these stairs are facing the west direction. >> Y >> so we have strong afternoon light and if it were just clear glazing that can be a little bit glary on the inside. sort of
to break it up with the channel glass kind of softens the light a little bit, makes it less stark when you're, you know, seeing against that. Um, you want to try and have light not be overly harsh on the inside, but then from a a human body standpoint for students who
are moving through the day, the movement of light over the day connects you to the real world outside. So seeing the change in motion of the those color that changes with the sun's motion, all of which gives a little bit of of healthy
relief um to your brain. So, it's also a great thing that when students are moving from one end of the building to the other, they have this kind of change in their in their mental state a little bit that that connecting looking outside provides, but also seeing the motion of of the sun essentially, which this
records in your >> Do these windows uh and those are good reasons, but do they cost more and are they more expensive to replace? Um I mean Dory, you might know better than I would. Um colored glass has a
small upcharge. Yeah, there is this but pretty slight. The channel glass is more expensive. Certainly it offers a higher insulation value as well. So you're paying for that. The channel glass is >> super robust. So that's kind of a
benefit on the flip side of that. >> Cleaning maintenance. Same. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So then, uh, yeah, shifting to the, um, auditorium and gymnasium. Uh, so we've
been looking at some new, uh, color and options for the concrete masonry units, which looks a little washed out on the screen here, but they're also some physical samples behind me. Um so I think before we had shown a little bit of a darker grayer uh block here. So
this is uh a little bit warmer tone. Um we're carrying the darker brick at the bot or I should say not brick uh concrete masonry unit CMU at the bottom. These two courses there mirroring the that water table band that's happening elsewhere in the building. And then uh
above that um at the uh gymnasium it is this field of the this groundfaced block which you're seeing in the upper right and also the sample there. It's slightly different at the auditorium. If you want to go to the next slide uh to help differentiate the volumes a little bit. And again at the auditorium we're still
looking at the uh introducing some shaped blocks to break up the mass of that. And so there is actually a mix of a groundfaced unit and a what's called a smooth unit. It's not really smooth, but it it um it it has less of the aggregate visible, and that's the shaped pieces uh
would be that tone. So, that's the two tones that you're seeing in the upper right corner of your screen. And again, they're behind me. But in both cases, it's trying to warm it up a little bit and tie it into the overall building. >> The bottom right here, different ways
that you could >> Yeah. So, so we're still refining the actual layout of these, but um it's very flexible in terms of it. These are just some potential options. What we're trying to make sure is that we don't have anything that's low enough that it can be a climbing issue. So, it would all happen higher up on the building and
be shapes that can uh make sure we're shedding water and and all of that. Um so, this is just sort of an a picture for texture and not the actual pattern. >> And is texture more expensive?
slight obstruction >> and maintenance. I mean, if it's not >> I mean, it's all concrete masonry unit, so it really should be. I >> mean, you guys know better. Yeah. So, don't ask the stupid questions. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah. I mean, I think it's going to
get power washed, right? It's all concrete, so it'll be fine. >> I'm a little worried about the shapes and like birds sitting on them and ledges and we get that kind of stuff in our buildings. >> Any ledge you create, something sits on and then >> Yeah, for sure. It's also it's also a drainage issue. So there's a lot of the shapes that are and like sort of shown in here. These are all these shingle
ones. So they all have a the flat side is on the bottom side. So there's actually no ledge for water or bird to >> There's a few that come out sideways, but the ledge is pretty minimal. >> Yeah. >> Do you have examples of other projects
that have done this type of thing that have been in operation for several years that you could talk to? >> Yes, certainly. I mean, we'll talk to our >> We've been talking to a rep who's been really helpful. I'm sure we can get some >> get some examples projects that we can talk to. >> Yeah.
>> Great. Um, so then we have a series of perspective views just to give all this in context. Uh, so this is the south entry um with that all the things we just talked about in the canopy. Um
and then the next view is cycling around to the east side. Uh if you want to zoom out slightly, Marty, I think it might be cutting off the right side. Yeah. Um so these are both with the admin block as the solid field. Uh if you go to the
next two slides, this is with it as the mix. So carrying that same mix through. It's actually not as visible on the screen. >> I think the monitor it's hard to see the difference. it might be more visible on the next one down um when we're looking at it from the east side. Um yeah,
>> so I think it actually is probably >> a good suggestion to to to bring that through. So um but either will will work. I mean certainly the uh darker brick is providing a lot of the uh textural difference at the this front
area. Um >> so it's sort of at the front of the building. It's a choice between this >> and that >> correct? Yep. And we were originally looking at uh this option uh because we were trying to differentiate that block
and not have it feel like lots and lots of just the same thing because >> by front we mean >> south >> the right hand side of this >> facing the drive the long parking lot >> right >> I'm sorry long entry >> yeah plan I guess for south facing
William Street that's the front >> this is facing Williams >> yeah that's kind of on the corner you have the bus parking to your left parking entrance that goes Oh, right at the corner. Okay, >> that's going to throw me off. >> No, no worries. You can see a very slight sliver of us just on the left side there.
>> Um, >> so yes, this was originally to help differentiate that that sort of whole facade and make it not feel like lots and lots of the same thing because we've introduced the dark brick because we have this corduroy pattern that's happening. Um, it's less critical for
the tone of the brick of the the tan brick rather to be performing that differentiation. And so I think um actually having it coordinate with the mix could be kind of nice. >> It's like the auto optometrist better here. >> It's a subtle difference, but um it's
clear on your >> So since you're looking at these, do you have opinions? >> I I like the um I like this version that separates >> distinguishes the admin block from the academic way. on the left side.
Sure. >> Is is that is D one of those colors on the the real brick palette behind? >> Yes, it is. >> Is it the lightest one? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But with a smooth It's doesn't have >> Yeah, I actually might have it in the
box, but I can pull it out after I get up right now. Yes, it is one of the there's there's three tones in the mix and we'll be pulling one of those out as the sort of primary for the that particular I'm calling it the administrative block, but
it's that sort of corner. >> I prefer that. >> Is it Can I ask a quick question? Sorry. >> Sure. >> Is it possible to get like a zoomed out vision of both of those options you just showed? Because right now it's hard with the tree and the pole and the and the
overhang thing. Like if we could see it from like a further back. >> If go to the next slide. >> Yeah. Because if if we zoom too far, you don't see the difference at all really. So >> now we're at the drop off lane. Correct. Right. >> Building >> building is facing do.
>> So where the flag pole is, we just saw that. Correct. >> Yeah. And so then this view versus slide 18. >> This versus 18. Right. >> Okay.
>> What if you jump to slide 23? >> I understand it's just one view. I don't know if you have a 23 in this case. >> 23 is >> it's the one right above. It's 22. >> 22. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That. >> Yeah. So that
>> So this is with the the tone difference in >> it's that far left mass at the top >> that we're talking about. >> Yeah. or in the the one in the middle to the right one there. >> Yep. Right. >> Yep. >> So that gives you the
>> What's What's the opinion of JWA on this? >> It's been a good office discussion. >> I don't think there's a super strong opinion. I >> Yeah, I don't think there's a wrong answer. I mean, you know, felt strongly
Um, I think that this is where we were initially. >> Your way of saying that, you know, we disagree. >> If we really didn't like it, we wouldn't show it to >> Right. Exactly. >> Well, that's a resounding endorsement. >> Well, for example, we did try painting the columns a different color and we
thought it just was a really bad idea. >> Yeah. >> Can you go back to >> the south view? Guess they're >> here. >> So that's from the south. So that's from Williams.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I like keeping the >> the left kind of looks monolithic. There's >> like why is it all of that? Why is it so similar? >> Yeah, it just kind of looks like there's
nothing to break that up. Yeah, I mean it's a classroom wing, so you have a consistency in uh in the winter pattern that's creating a lot of that. There's actually in this view you're looking at straight on. It's actually there's a bump out of the four windows in the
middle. Yes. That breaks that up. >> There is a difference. It's not >> It looks flatter. >> It looks flattering. >> That's what the other thing too is this view is hidden. any cars, vegetation, things that might be breaking that up in the >> forground, >> right? There are trees and things like
that. So, it won't be as stark. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Because it's just kind of startling to see it with nothing around it, >> right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it would not be that way, but just trying to show you the building. >> Got to tell you, I do not like the the >> texture. >> The texture,
>> which on auditorium? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Huh? >> You know, >> I >> I think there are other ways to achieve the same thing. >> We don't have to feel wedded to that. Um, >> uh, it's been, >> you know, challenging. So, we can we can
do it with with normal CMU block that just has a slight, you know, moving the block. >> We can also do it with different colors. >> I hate to say it. Yeah. It feels kind of we're trying too hard, which for municipal buildings, I I understand we
want to be beautiful, but >> um I don't know that it just seems like we don't need to do that to me. If there's other ways we can break up Sure. that I >> Yeah, >> I think that I'm >> Well, I think too that we can we can achieve a similar kind of like we can
use a similar pattern but with say a color difference in CMU or like even or texture like >> even if it is, you know, this uh flatter brick versus the ground faced block um >> in a similar pattern, but they're
they're all in plane that could perhaps do a similar textural >> breakup without having a physical. >> And how's the light getting in there? >> This is the auditorium. So, >> oh, not gym. Where's Jim? >> The gym is simpler and we have windows
on it, but this doesn't have windows. >> Right. Right. can look a lot like an enormous wall. So try windows in there. >> No good. >> I just do not like one of the versions say the bottom right where it's just less of the
>> raised you know is that >> I don't know Josh if that is more appealing to you if it has less of the raised >> just not as strong >> block. This comes off >> I agree I agree with that. I don't I don't love it. It comes off like some kind of like monument or memorial or
>> Yeah, >> it's education. >> I think arts uh like a a museum uh like a fine arts museum somewhere which is not bad. It's just it's a school which is what >> I'm with you. >> This is good. >> Sure. >> By the way, I have no like taste whatsoever.
>> No, but I think what you're saying makes sense. So, um, yeah, I mean it is it is certainly a challenge with this big mass that doesn't have windows because it doesn't it can't have windows. It's an auditorium and and how do we keep it from feeling so big and heavy and kind
of overpowering everything. So, this is one attempt to do that, but there there are other ways we can look at how to break that up. So then this is the gymnasium with the window treatment and metal panel at the corners. Um and then the field which it
would would just be that flat ground face between. >> Do we anticipate that the playing surface would be painted the way it's shown here or is that just for illustration? >> Yeah. No, we do actually. That's the intent because remember we didn't go
with the fancy rubberized or anything. So, it's it's a pretty straightforward paint coating to create lines and and the specific nature of the line pattern and coloring hasn't been >> explored yet. >> And the windows are positioned such that it allows light in but not on like the
plane surfaces. >> Uh you're going to get some of that. So, we're still working with uh our uh daylighting analysis to talk about how much you know um shading we're putting where exactly. Um but we intentionally put them in the corners to avoid, you know, it being a problem. So we have a a
review coming up next week actually where we're looking at all the modeling on the interior for >> Yeah. >> Um but it is nice to have windows in a gym. >> No, no. >> So that's one of the things like a lot of gyms don't have it, but it, you know, it's a nice feature, but it is very much
the area you want to be sure you're controlling it. >> Yeah. >> No, it's it's a good good point. Good question. Yeah. Yeah. And then this is just the back side of the classroom wings. And again, you're seeing that that is the circulatory stair in one of the wings on the right side where we have the metal
panel and the um curtain wall system versus the >> I think this is a really good picture of like what Nicole I think you were asking about before around the >> how it looks like >> and the academic wing how it's broken up like it it the other slide had it faded
out a little bit. This shows the separation, I think, better. >> I like it. But that's just my >> I like the food, too. >> Keep going. >> Yeah, keep going. That was good. >> I'll jump in here. And uh you have seen
some of these before, but we've just been going through the process of working with the district to review more of the interior finishes. uh and it's a little again it's harder to see that here but we have gone through and also shared a lot of images with the faculty. So uh we were able to show you some
rendered views. Um again a little hard to see because they get kind of blown out on the inside here. U but what we have changed since last time I think we were here is we've altered and simplified the Turzo. So you see a lot more of the kind of neutrals in the tozo and then you're using uh went through a
sort of design process of exploring some options on the tozo pattern and we have a kind of a a somewhat curvy related to the site kind of um flow um element that helps to break the tozo up because you need to break the tozo it's going to have seams anyway. Um so trying to do it
in a way that keeps some interest and light. Um in general the palette for the school on paint colors is very light um in overall. Um so this is showing in the in what we call the spine the circulation in the main area the dominant patterns that you're seeing and
I can show people the individual pieces over there who are curious about materiality and and cleanability and things like that. So this gray stripe in the middle is the wall tile, which is really important to know about. So we have that going to 54 inches throughout uh the the main concourse of the
building. Um it's a very neutral, simple um gray. So that's a a dominant element and it's very highly cleanable and durable. Um so you have that, you have the Turzo, so very very solid materials. Um and then we have um some casework for student display, showing off student
work. um that'll that'll have some wood elements and then we have a lot of laminate and tied into that to bring some accent colors in. >> Dory, what was the feedback from the faculty? >> Um they were I think very happy. They all want to know how much storage they get in their room mainly. Um but but I
think it's gone really well. Um in general people want to know what's happening within their own communities and we definitely have you have two schools coming together. So there's a lot of interest in exactly which area of the school are we located. Um and the plan is to give some a slight color
difference to the three different grades. >> Um and then each grade is broken down into two communities. Um and uh so we worked through the different looks that that has and you'll see some of that coming along. Um but I think so far it's gone super well. Um, can you go to the
next slide and we'll show you >> some photos here of some of the public spaces. And I, again, your monitor is a little bit um crazy um on colors. So, this reads as pinker than it actually is. But on the right, you have again
that Terza floor in the cafeteria and a wall tile. It's very neutral. And then we're just using where we have acoustic panels to put a little color into that space. Um, and uh, it's a very big space, so there's a lot going on in it. Um, so we don't want to do too much more
than that. Um, on the left you see the library, which has um, a lot of wood because it's got wood bookshelving and we relate that to a wood ceiling that's in part of the the ceiling. And here we don't have a high ceiling um, media
center. So, we're trying to actually use that to create a little bit more sense of height. Um, so that it doesn't feel like you're in a large space that's kind of claustrophobic. Um, you go to the next slide. >> So, just like cafeteria space. >> No, I just want to So, you're saying that the colors are not going to be that
bright like just the monitor of the computer. >> Yeah. These these kind of these purples read really really >> functional because it just feels like it could get very dated very quickly. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know. And also the other thing about the Trza that's really interesting is that we're actually custom created. So we're using just
colors off the off the screen until they're actually constructed. Um but you're you're blending for your actual final product. So we have a lot of control over that and we have no desire to have it look neon but they keep looking neons in the rendering. So >> because think something more muted I
think sort of >> stands the test of time. >> Yeah. Exactly. So blending it with the gray, but having a little bit of, you know, the the accents come in that way is the way. >> So that was going to be my question is like the floor seems to me like you just put out like in 10 years it's going to
be like the pink bathroom, right? >> And is it better just to make the floor more uniform and then use the walls as the accent features? That would be my >> I I mean I I >> Things that are more permanent seem to
me should have more neutrality and things that um >> they're more flexible could have more coloration like like a paint, you know, or something where you can really change it where a floor has some kind of >> it's more permanent.
>> Oh, so I disagree because like I with the M like when I was talking about the outside, I don't I don't think you want just one big wide expanse. It's the same. >> No, it doesn't have to be the same, but it could have um variations of of of neutrality, neutral colors.
>> Marty, if you can jump one slide back. So >> yeah. So here what we have the predominant at the moment the percentage is 80% of it is this these three neutral colors. >> So and what we've done is shown
different optional layouts that bring the accent in in different methods. Um, and based on that, the the accents kind of come in at the 20% is divided into some into these different accents to try and have some relief. And we've tried different methods. We can always take
down that quantity. I don't think I'd want to not have any color accents, but you know, in the cafeteria, you're seeing a a larger stretch of it, so it's probably reading that way, but it can always come down. >> Is vinyl flooring? >> Sorry. >> The accent coloring is vinyl flooring. No, it's all tzo.
>> It's all terazzo. >> So, you blend the individual um terzos and then place them in. So, we have a lot of power and a lot of ability to keep >> when they make it, you can put the pigment and the aggregate in as part of >> Right. And we'll be testing a lot of
them. Yeah. To get the formula. >> Dory. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, quick question. Um the purple that you see in this one, is that the same that's going to be in the cafeteria? So um well that was again we have control over it. These are just the only purples I could find for the image
to show you the concept and we are trying to relate it to the eighth grade wing. So be sure that when you come into the spine each of those communities are kind of referenced. >> Um grape >> huh >> say grape. >> It does say grape.
Um, so >> would these would some of these be brought to when they drop off the furniture in two weeks to our would we have some of these things too? >> No, because because it's a it's a process where once we're under contract in in construction, we're going through
the process of back and forth, back and forth until we get exactly the color we want with the contract. Yeah. So, I can show you samples, but none of them are are actually what we want. But it can help us get to an agreement as to what we're aiming for. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, we we do keep shifting this. And I
can, you know, working with the Trzu manufacturers, we can get a variety of samples. What we have really are the ingredients that make this up and then you can explore the ingredients, but it doesn't really get to it until you start actually blending. Um, >> and any chance you've had a school that
has used that back purple or or something similar that we could actually go visit or something? >> Um, yeah, I do think it is really helpful to see Turzo installed because it's this I agree does not show what we're going to experience. I mean, and
if you >> monitor and not really understanding what like my computer might be showing it differently than what you guys are seeing. So it feels like it's really hard to really pick it unless we actually see it. >> Colors on a screen are really hard to >> for that reason. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And and we can also we also have the power to say take everything to a lighter level and have the have the accents be just >> an ingredient within it. >> Right. >> So that's a way to to bring them all to a more neutral level. That's a possibility if that's feeling better. >> So that's part of why we look at these
things is to kind of gauge reaction and get a sense of things. But >> so was that what you guys were considering? >> Uh that was before we put any of the color into the Turzo. Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz I liked it. >> Yeah. With with just neutral >> with that accent wall, the tile accent
wall on the back. >> But >> it felt like it's one or the other, right? So you it felt like if you put the color on the floor and on the wall, it becomes too busy. So that's why we sort of split it. Um, and we did want the Turzo to go all the way through, not
just in that room. So, um, we can also take a lot of the color out of the, uh, cafeteria if it's just feeling busy. Um, in the hallway, you're walking along and it sort of gives you a little bit of relief to have some, um, some, uh, motion. >> It could just even be more subtle,
right? Yeah. As you said, I mean, it could just be tinting or pieces of the tzo into something more neutral, right? >> Yeah. For sure. >> I think that's sort that's been kind of our message, too, is just to pull back on Yeah. >> some of the colors and not Yeah. not overwhelm.
>> Well, and then once Terzo's down, there's not much you can do with it. Right. >> Right. Right. >> I mean, it's kind of like the Williams Terza. It's been there since 1950. >> 100 years. >> Yeah. >> Great. Thanks. >> Yeah.
>> Um and then these are just renderings that we were sharing. All of these are kind of you have to keep detailing out all of these elements, all these spaces. So, um, but the auditoriums come along quite a bit. Um, and we've been talking about whether or not that is too much color generally. Well, they want to pull
back a little bit, but um, in materially, um, you know, you you have upholstery on the chairs. You have carpet in here. The carpet can you be this or a little bit more neutral. Um we do have the wall panels um that are u helping with the acoustics and they help
to break up sound pattern. So those we do want to keep and then um the uh acoustic fabric panels absorb sound. So it's all about planning the acoustics there. Um and those can be um the same color as the paint or they can be accented in color. So
um and the uh gymnasium just materially it's fairly simple. At the moment, that band is just showing you where we have panel um that helps to quiet the gym down. Um uh but it's primarily the gym
is um block uh as we were talking about similar to what you see on the exterior. >> Um so very very durable as opposed to JIP. >> Um and then we have wall pads. Um and we have the glue lamp beams. >> Uh and we have the bleachers that are
going to be a customuilt element. So We talked climate law at all in the gym. >> Um, we raised it and the PE teacher didn't seem interested. We really think they're very popular in middle schools and very well used. You do have to kind of you they have a system for putting
pads over them when you're not using them. Maybe that's why it wasn't an appeal. >> Yeah. >> Um, but it does talk more about that. >> Yeah, happy to. Happy to. They're very useful. Um uh what we do have are the TRX systems.
>> Yeah. >> Um so again getting into the idea that the um each individual wing has a little bit of an accent to it. Um and if you go to the next page you see some of these elements start to recur. Um you see
almost no color in these but the uh A-wing there's you see that only one wall in the classroom has color. The other's white. It's typically the outside wall so that it doesn't lower the daylighting levels in the room but provides some visual relief from white.
Um and then we have lenolium in the classrooms on the floor. Um and a bit of an accent that actually indicates a safe zone um during lockdowns. Um >> square lenolium or sheet lenolium >> sheet. They've gotten away from square.
They're not making it as much. We used they're same price point. Um uh we've done both ways but um it's harder to find three equals on the square on the tile. Now >> durability >> uh no it's always that debate right what do you do with um the durability is no
different between the two because I mean if you have tile then you have the possibility you have >> popups um um you know but you you know that is a concern like if you if you want to pull a tile up how you do it here so I understand what you
um what we're trying to do is um make it so that there's one color chair everywhere um so we're not changing that throughout the school. So, everything has to kind of coordinate with that. >> Um, there's been a whole process of brown furniture. I'll talk a little bit about, but this is just the screen
showing you two different uh uh >> settings. >> Dory, it looks like we passed over the academic wing. >> Slide 27. >> Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. >> Back. Okay. Sorry. So, as you enter into the academic wings, you have again um uh sixth grade, seventh grade, and eighth
grade. So, different um grade levels. each has a slight different again the colors kind of being kept to a minimum. Um the lenolium is a more muted palette than uh uh other materials. So you can see that over there and we're using just a few different shades and it's kind of
a wine but that breaks up the space a little bit. Um and we have that uh uh wall that represents the um that's got some um wood battle battens on it that um marks out a small group room. Otherwise, what we are seeing are just
the classrooms around the lockers. Um there's lockers per every student. So, that's become a design element that we've kind of had to work with. Um the second floor has a higher ceiling than the first floor, but in each of these areas, you have this common area that connects the classrooms that students
can come out and work at. >> Do people So, I I worked at a law firm many years ago that they redid our office and they put in conversation nooks, which was laughed at in the middle of the hall. There would be two chairs and a table >> that no one ever used.
>> Do these get used or what what is the idea behind these tables out here? >> Yeah, they very much get used because teachers are trying to have students work as opposed to when we went to school where your teacher was delivering content. You were memorizing, you were
taking a test. Now, the critical thinking that you're trying to have students do involves them working with each other significantly more than working just as receivers of the teachers information. So, teachers are trying to use a classroom more flexibly and also trying to create places where
students can work together. So, this district has been a district that's been comfortable with the idea of having spaces that they can put students out as long as they can see out into that space. So there's both a closed small group room and rooms area furniture right outside and we've gone through the
process of talking about what is that furniture you know to be sure it's actively used and and you know both effective for that purpose. So, >> Josh, just to add on to that, as someone who's actively in the classroom, I send
groups of students out into the hallway almost every day. Um, so that I can meet with other groups in the classroom, keep an eye on them, they're working on something else. So, those already being built in, I think, is really, really great. Gives teachers that flexibility
>> and it gives students a better place to sit than the floor, which is what you find in most schools. >> That's exactly what I do. Yes. Yeah, >> great. >> Um, u, so this just reflects that, uh, pallet of paints and lenoliums, uh, and
accents. Uh, and then the, um, elective classrooms are a little bit more complex. Um, there's more case work. Uh and uh there is a little bit more room with higher ceilings and daylighting above. Um so you'll see structure and
you'll see um a different approach to lighting in order to allow the classroom which is much more of a project based space um to function a little bit differently. Uh and we have this grid that we thought we'd go ahead and put some color into that in STEM for instance the teacher can use those. They
actually can support weight. So you can do projects on the use the grid as a necess structural support system. Uh and these rooms tend to be the tables are on casters. The chairs often are on casters and not always. Um but it allows a
teacher to move and create different organizations quite quickly for project based learning. They're much larger classrooms typically. Um, and then this, uh, is just showing that we're now at the point we're working on signage that just echoes what's happening in the wings. Uh, and
we talked about that recently. Again, keeping everything kind of a neutral and then the small bit of light colored accent to reflect, you know, the difference in uh, communities. Next slide is um, just some of the furniture that we've been talking about.
We have a day coming up uh April 27th when um furniture samples are going to be at the school so that teachers and students can explore them before we make final decisions. So there's some options that people can um test out, give it a little bit of test drive um see how
they're feeling about different approaches. Um and then that'll inform the soft budget decision on furniture. >> So can the committee get invited to those? >> No. Yeah. Just what's the date again? >> Um so uh they've been working with the
uh principles. They're actually going to be arriving I think on the um the >> 21st. >> 21st and they'll be there for uh a whole week, >> right? >> 21st is spring break. >> Yeah. They're coming in over spring
break intentionally. Yeah. So that it's all ready to go. >> So we didn't want to interrupt. and they uh both schools have provided a room um and the goal is to have teachers take students down there for a little while, not just pop in and pop out. But
so this is gets interesting and the colors are always probably the ugliest colors. So don't go and look at the colors because it's the chairs that nobody wanted. I think you know >> uh and that's that's it. That's our >> update. Um we're now at the point where
our um set is going out for cost estimating today. Um >> tomorrow. >> Tomorrow. Tomorrow. >> Got to be tomorrow and I have more to do with it. >> Yeah. Uh and then we have again our next school building committee meeting will
be um getting final approval on that set um at the MSBA 60% set and we'll have updated numbers at that point for you as well. text from uh angry viewers about the color palette >> on the outside. >> On the outside
>> yes is there I I don't know and I what I've said is do you have any suggestions um and is there when the process do we have to make this decision? I know you all have thought about it a lot. Is there a point where
we say all right we we're ordering bricks? It would be quite an extreme thing for you to now after we've presented this general approach a few times to reverse course on the general approach to the
light colored brick. A lot of decisions have to get detailed. So, and we did make that clear when we reviewed it last time. We are reviewing, you know, as comments come up things like the auditorium. that's not not at all a problem because we're we're definitely
feeling like it needs work anyway. So, different ways of solving a problem, but everything kind of ties together. It's sort of because somebody would prefer that we go back. I mean, remember we started with showing options and then narrowing and that's the process we have
to go through. >> I'm not disagreeing with you. I I understand I'm asking for Yeah. the text chamber one. >> Any further questions, discussion, comments? >> Um
>> um uh >> physical sample you have up there. It shows two different grout colors. we're deciding on. And >> we're not necessarily deciding. It's just it's part of the process. We would be open to your input for sure because we're not at the point where we would be
e even because it's public bit. We're trying to figure out for sure which we want and pulling them together helps >> but in the process ultimately we don't know exactly which grout is going to be provided. >> So we have to get it and in CA we have to go through this process again to narrow it. I didn't mean that like like
that we were sight, but I'm wondering if um it it's helpful maybe for this group >> that may be hesitant about the colors. Um I know that when you start adding grout, it changes the the perception
significantly. So this, >> you know, there there may be people that are maybe hesitant about what it looks like, but once they see it >> um with different kinds of grout, um it it kind of pops differently. >> Yeah, it really does. And you know that we're seeing here the impact of dark
versus lighter grout there, right? And the one next to it is very subtle, but you have a difference in the texture of two bricks and that has an impure. >> Um, >> your best your best fan of white. >> So there's two different textures.
>> There is it's very subtle, but the bottom half is a um wire cut brick versus a smooth brick at the top. >> Oh, the brick. >> Yeah. The color of the grout is the same. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, we'll we'll even build a mockup on the site that's like a 8 foot by 10 foot section of the building. >> And even on that mockup, we'll ask them to do two or three different grouts. >> Yeah. >> To really see it with a full bed brick.
>> Right. I mean, that's the other thing, too. It's like You know, it's hard to get it across in renders that we have the physical samples, but these physical samples have the lighting in the room. There's so many variables that work. >> The mockup will really help with >> Yeah, they did that at the adult center. It was really good.
>> When will the mockup be up? >> Not for a while. >> Submitt process and things get picked. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we have to bring a basin on board. They do the submitts where they start selecting colors, then you do the mockup, then you select the grout from
there. So, still quite a bit of time. >> I think to Dory's point earlier, we, you know, we sort of started to funnel down towards these choices where it was like, you know, initially, do we favor do we lean towards like a red a reddish brick
or something warmer? And I think we lean towards warmer. And so it's it's if you recall >> um I think we started way back when I'm going months back uh with where we just looked at a couple of different color palettes and it was sort of like A or B
again that optometrist test. Um and I think that led us towards the the choices that have evolved over time. I wouldn't. >> And we even had that event at Williams School in the gymnasium where you brought in the two different samples and two different color palettes where
>> we had a lot of people show up and >> and even earlier way way back so far that none of us can remember we started where we showed you a variety of different schools that we've done and talked about the differences in >> each community and everyone being custom and are there any that strongly relate.
So it it's always a process of narrowing and and refining. So, and it's the fun thing about schools is you're doing it for so many people and inevitably there's a lot of lot of opinions to try and balance, but rest
assured we'll get there. I think we wanted something that would settle into the neighborhood and we you know knowing >> you know trying to be attentive to the community and the abutters and we didn't want something that >> was screaming >> institutional >> institutional from the from the curb.
>> I think just generally it looks fantastic and I'm really really impressed. Any further discussion? >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> I will accept that. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion. Second. Any discussion? Seeing
none, I'll go with Kate. >> Yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> Marty, >> yes. >> Armen, yes. Cararissa, >> yes. >> Lynn, I think, has exited. So, we are adjourned. And the materials are up here if you want to take a look at them.
>> Great. Thanks for