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All right. Hello and welcome everyone to today's special city council meeting Thursday, June 18th. I'll call to order this meeting at 7:00 p.m. Will you all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, thank you. Roll call. >> Brian Wormsbecker >> [clears throat] >> Kari Miller

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>> Here. >> Tom Berg >> Here. >> James Loseth >> Here. >> And Scott Palova >> Here. >> All right, tonight's agenda goes to 9A. Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections to the agenda? >> Motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion by Miller >> Second.

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>> Second by Palova. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye. >> Opposed? >> [clears throat] >> All right, there are no minutes tonight. There are no public hearings tonight. There is nobody in the audience except for our chief of police. Um and he's welcome to speak freely

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tonight. So, nothing on the consent agenda. So, on to old business. Discuss the city's preliminary 2027 budget and property tax levy. Joel Erickson, city administrator. >> All right, thank you, Mayor and members

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of the council. Items proposed to be discussed tonight are the property tax levy, debt service, wages and insurance, advisory board tasks, 3M Landmark School, city council line items, and then anything else um, the council would like to

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uh, discuss. And so, uh, based off the last, uh, budget meeting and and what is included in the the packet for tonight, uh, the proposed property tax rate has been kept the same as 26. Um, based off of the

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anticipated 2027 values, um, if we kept our tax rate the same, it would generate an additional $160,850 in revenue. As far as debt service, everything has been accounted for with the exception of

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city hall. I want to do a uh, a review of the all the expenses to make sure everything is has been accounted for. Um, but as far as uh, the remaining debt service funds, uh, we anticipated there the 26 year-end

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fund balances for each of the funds and they've that amount has been allocated proportionately over uh, the number of years remaining on uh, each respective debt service, um, timeline. >> [clears throat] >> Uh, any fund balance would typically have come from the prepayment of special assessments.

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Uh, as of now, the debt service portion of levy is $879,944. Uh, si- the city hall project, um, will need to be added to this number. And then, um, I believe it was the last meeting, the council discussed paying off the business park debt service, um,

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amount, uh, $645,000. The, uh, sale amount less any, uh, closing costs uh, will be sufficient to pay that. So, if the council wants to do that, we'll just need to send, uh, a notice to the bond holders at least 30 days prior to

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February 1st of 27, uh, that we want to pay that debt off. Uh, even if the debt service is paid off, the fund will still have a negative fund balance of about $565,000. Uh, the remaining special assessments to be paid are minimal. Uh so a discussion on eliminating the

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negative fund balance should be held. Uh I'm assuming you guys want to pay off the business park debt service based off of the uh discussion at the last council meeting or budget meeting. >> Pass it around, Brian. Yeah, I mean the the the plan was the

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sale of the the land would cover that. Um From what I understand we haven't gotten the purchase agreement back from the other party yet, correct? >> That is correct. >> Do we anticipate when we'll see that?

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>> Uh I was told several days ago, several days. >> Okay. I mean I Yes, I think getting rid of that is a good thing. Um but I think it's important that we hold to um

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the funds that were >> going to be allocated to that, so ideally it all just happens. Um we get get the property sold and we use those funds to pay pay that debt service off, so that's what I'd like to see, ideally.

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>> Okay. >> Um do you know what the interest would be that we would save by paying it off? >> Uh the interest rate on the bonds is 2% and our investment uh uh interest rate is 3.5. >> Um

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I do like to pay off debt, but I'm hesitant since we don't have a signed deal and things aren't happening quite yet. I just don't want to commit to paying it off right now um until we have more

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firm information and a commitment. Cuz you know what happened with EES. I just don't want that to be a repeat. That's all I have to say about that. >> Jim? [clears throat] >> I'm all for paying it off, but I'd like to see the money first before we commit

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to paying it. So, as long as the purchase agreement goes through and we get the money, yes, I'll pay it off. Otherwise, we >> [clears throat] >> we'll have to wait. >> Scott? >> I'll agree with that. You know, the the

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fact that that, you know, they knew what they were offering and and we pretty much accepted it and now there's a delay kind of makes me a little nervous that it might not happen. So, I don't want to don't want to act till it's a a sure

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thing. >> All right. Got your answer, Jill? >> Yep. Uh as far as wages, uh between uh May of last year and May of this year, the CPI for all urban consumers increased 4.2%. Uh so, that's why we're recommending an overall increase in the pay scale of

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3.5%. Uh that would also uh be in addition to the increase between each step of 3.5%. Um staff is proposing to include the expense of maintenance of the city's compensation study to keep it current. Uh they recommend it be done annually, um but I just felt every other

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year is is sufficient. Uh the cost I got was 4,200. Uh we'll be receiving our health insurance renewal rates shortly, um but for now I've um budgeted a 10% increase. And then just currently how uh health insurance is

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is paid for, uh the city pays 100% of employee premium. Uh family premium is the cost of one child uh on your respective plan you've selected, and then the employee pays the difference. [clears throat] Uh if you're single, you get uh $2,000

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contributed to your HSA, family's 5,000. Uh as far as the PD, that's 100% employee premium and then 75% contribution to HSA account. Um Um just depending negotiations to begin in the next uh month or so on the

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next collective bargaining agreement. And I'm anticipating that the HR committee wants to be involved in all the meetings. >> Well, why don't you go ahead and tell us what it was like in the past? >> Uh it was uh police chief and myself

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by the last three contracts. >> Brian, do you want to be involved? >> I Yeah, I would like to be involved. >> Yeah, and I would agree with you. So, the answer is yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Uh as far as dental, the premium is 100% and then uh life insurance is 100% as well.

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>> Question, Joel, on the life insurance. Um is that the standard one one year's salary is what it pays out? >> Uh no, 50,000. >> 50,000. Okay. >> Um can I have the the budget for or budgeting for the biannual updating of

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the um compensation study? I know it's kind of a a drop in the bucket, but is it worthwhile to budget 50% of it every year? That way it you keep you you have half of it one year and then like we do with equipment or or anything

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else. >> Yeah, that's what you guys want to do? >> I don't know. I just Then we don't have a Can we explain how we got 4,200 for quote unquote maintenance? >> Uh that's the quote that I got from David Round who conducted the compensation study.

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>> So, we can't just internally do this with the committee? Because I felt like the committee was pretty much on it the whole entire time. >> We absolutely can, sure. >> [clears throat] >> Does this also account for Minnesota paid leave act making sure we have

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enough funds for that? And potential increase. >> Um for that, I budgeted um our the way the rate that we got quoted was 0.82% in the private market. The state plan was 0.88%

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and um until I get those numbers, I budgeted 0.9%. So, 50% city, 50% employee. >> I suppose it's a little >> Unless the council wants to change that cost share. >> I think that's pretty standard. >> I suppose it's hard to tell what the

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potential increase is on that since it's such a new program. >> And funds are already going to be exhausted like within the next >> in the private market though. We're not on the state. >> Okay, perfect. >> Yeah. Yeah. But because it's a new program here, it's probably there's no history. Yeah,

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there's no Yeah, there's no Like with health insurance, you can anticipate where your your costs are going to go up historically. >> Oh, wait. I thought they said early on that it wasn't >> Yeah, >> [laughter] >> right. Just like you get a discount for paying cash, but you get charged more with your

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insurance. >> And it's going to be so easy to use, too. >> Anyways, that's another fish to fry. Not on our level. >> So, we want to do the maintenance in-house? >> You know, I would almost say if we want to review it in the off years,

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I mean, I think the bi-annual I The one thing I think that we can get out of that that we can't provide ourselves is a lot of the comparative. [clears throat] I mean, there's a lot of time that goes into that. And for 4,200

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every other year, >> And they they did say every 3 years. >> But now with uh chat GPT or AI or whatever, can't you just fill the numbers in and it figures it all out for you? >> Well, you got to get the numbers. That's the thing. >> I know, but just

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getting those numbers, then they just contact their each of the cities. And to get the benefit of that >> access to the the databases where it's all compiled. It There's it's not just somebody sitting down and looking. I mean, that's literally what

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we would have to do is we would have to go out and look at all the different cities individually. I mean, it's very it's very time-consuming process to manually do this. >> Mhm. >> Whereas the agencies they have >> [snorts]

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>> access they pay for access to sources like Reuters sources or Thompson sources, you know, they they have these compiled databases that essentially do a lot of that busy work and manual individual work that we don't

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have the time to do. I think >> Cuz this wasn't just wages. This was overall compensation. So that some [clears throat] of it might not be apples to apples because, you know, we do something for health insurance that, you know, our HSA or whatever that another city doesn't. So how do you how do you figure that in there?

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>> I mean, my my company was going through the study kind of like we were at the same time and just talking with our our HR department what goes into it and what these agencies provide they and these are HR professionals that

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do this. They said it's worth the money to have the agency do it because I mean, even with AI. >> Mhm. >> Because AI doesn't have access to the data like the agencies have yet. I mean, maybe down the road um it's possible.

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>> I was just wanting that to be discussed openly because I know so many people are fans of AI and think everything is so easy. I do not. I'm not a fan of AI. I still hate it. So, I wanted to just get that all out there. So, thank you so much for your >> I I use AI every day >> Yeah.

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>> for my job. And, you know, it has some capacity, but the way I'd describe it to most people is I see it as a 5-year-old at this point. >> Mhm. >> In a year, it might be a 7-year-old. I think it's still got a lot of learning to do. Um

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you know, can it do some things very, very well? Absolutely. But, there's a lot of places where it's still >> [clears throat] >> very, very much trying to catch up. >> Mhm. >> But, the piece I think for this with with what the the agency can bring is

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the efficiency and the cost cuz I think for us to do this internally ourselves would be pretty costly. >> Can we switch it to triennially since that's what they recommended? >> Yeah, whatever you guys want.

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>> I don't know. I just think >> I don't I I agree. I don't think we need to do it annually. >> I When we did this, it was brought up do we do this every 5 years or what? And then David Drowns had stated every 3 years to go and do it.

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Um >> Yeah, and she actually reached out to me to see if we were had budgeted for it for this year. We just did it 6 months ago. >> Yeah. >> And here's the other part is after we did it, New Prague did it. You know, all these other cities around us went and did.

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So, as soon as we do it again, everyone else is going to do it again. So, it's just manipulating a whole bunch of numbers. But, uh that we had a really good committee that had went through it and realistically um

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that's why I'm kind of like, well you know, do we just try to stick with the committee and then have a council liaison to that and you know, really work it out with our employees on what they would like to see. Um I think that's huge, cuz

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I I wasn't a fan of how David Brown had done it last time. I I really wasn't. Um not to say that you might have somebody new that would just blow us away with it, but the next time, but

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I really like to stick with that committee aspect, see how that goes. >> And I like the 3 to 5 year time >> We weren't We weren't that far off on our scale. It A big part of it was placement. Mhm. You know, and

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I think a lot of the placement was resolved. Um I think a lot of people uh were really proud of of what was done, and they were a part of the process, too. So, I We were off on that scale a long time

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ago. It's not like we were off 3 years. We were off since a hiring freeze like 10 years ago. So, that's why I I kind of throw it to question, is is this really a a huge need to be budgeting for like

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right now when uh we were good for 3 years if we just followed the pay scale. >> I agree with that. The committee >> anything. I think that's a interim thing that I believe that there should be discussion that, you know, on an annual basis,

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which is nice cuz there's no cost to do doing that. I think, you know, having that, you know, personnel committee, whatever we want to call it, having some input from staff across the city is important, and I think it's important to hear those things. Um

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so, I agree with you there, Tom, for sure. And I agree that, you know, the the full-on review, like do we compare numbers against other cities, do we compare um benefits, I it doesn't need to be an annual thing. I think to that level

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we do it I and I'm not married to a specific time. If biannually, if we do it every 3 years, I guess that's fine with me >> [clears throat] >> um from my standpoint. So, I think there's a combination of the two. I think that's that's probably a good

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um responsible thing to do to make sure that we're always on track and we don't fall behind again. >> Mhm. >> Cuz you're absolutely right, we were behind for a long time. >> And we do want to retain good and staff that we have now.

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>> It's [clears throat] It's like any of the other stuff, it's maintenance. >> Mhm. >> You know, we can do some of it in-house, but I still think it's important that there be some some professional input on it. >> The non-expiring >> Yeah. I mean, >> [clears throat] >> one to go

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every two or three years, I think that'd be a a good good way to handle it, too. >> I think if we stick with that 3-year, you know, when like the suggestion made, you know, we can definitely try it out, see what happens. >> Uh I don't know if it would create a

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because of the 3-year time span difference, if it would create more I don't say more work, but more data type analysis for them, if that would if this price would hold. Is that Was that or was just

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updates were the 4200 and >> I I didn't reach out any further than that. >> Okay. >> Cuz I think her plan was >> [clears throat] >> her plan was just restructuring the scale all together. And if we have to drop you know, one off the beginning and then add one on the end again and

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I and I I think that really belongs with the staff, to be honest with you. Um, oh, one thing to keep in mind, too, we've got the police on the same scale, and those contracts are every 2 years, correct? Those are

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2-year negotiations? Okay, so what what determines the previous dis- the previous negotiation determines when the next one's going to be, then? >> Uh, it largely depends on the economy.

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>> Okay. >> Uh, you know, the cost of living increases. The inflation in there. >> So, they can request a negotiation at any time, is that how it works? >> No. >> So, how do we decide if it's a 2-year or

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a 3-year span between them? >> Negotiations. >> Mhm. >> This last one was a 3-year? Okay, it was a 3-year. >> Okay, so I think just because the scale is, you know, they're within that scale, they're on the scale now. >> Right, so we should probably keep

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>> Wait, maybe stay consistent with the >> consistent with those, because if we do one and then, because, you know, then we're we're looking at memorandums of understanding all the time, and it's just it's kind of a not that it's it's super hard or necessarily messy, but it gets

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convoluted and confusing if we're we're doing these one-off. >> And that was that was one thing that I really liked with that committee was because you had the police that were in it, too, with everyone else, and >> Mhm. >> you know, >> They're already one. >> I think we should stay consistent with

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all all the departments. If we're doing negotiations, then we should you know, that's that's the time we could be looking at >> Do we need to review >> So, do we [clears throat] set the standard at >> you know, a a 2-year or a 3-year? I I can we can we do that to save however it

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>> I mean, I guess it comes down to negotiation. >> For timing for timing purposes, uh you know, I'd say let's negotiate this contract first and see where that settles out to be a 2-year, 3-year. >> And then we can come back to this. >> I would agree with that. I think that's because if

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>> And we might line up where it is. >> Uh-huh. Yeah, cuz if we pick a 2-year now and then the negotiation comes out and it turns out being a 3-year, >> then we're doing this for >> and then we got to come back. Yeah. We'll do the negotiate. >> I would agree with that. >> And the current contract is 3 years, so 2 more years on it?

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>> No, it's No, it's up right now. >> Oh, it's up right now. >> This year. Okay. >> End of this year, yep. >> Yeah, cuz that that was noted earlier that >> Okay. >> within the next month or so, we'll be beginning those negotiations. >> All right. Um as advisory boards, um

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I guess if if there's any specific tasks or projects that the council wants them to to look at, um I think it'd be good to for staff and advisory board members to know that. I don't know if you guys have anything

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specific for park board, planning and zoning, EDA, Founders Day. >> Uh anybody on park board? >> So, our um priority shifted a bit after the last meeting. Um we're just waiting on info

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that Joe is working hard at getting for the lights for DRS, but we do still want to um tackle some of those projects like the ADA stuff at JC, the dog park lighting and access, and some of those

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smaller dollar uh projects if we can check some of those off the list, uh that would be great, but I don't know. >> Joe, have you heard anything more from Musco or or >> I met with them

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Was it yesterday or >> I thought I saw you guys all three yesterday. >> Um so, we had an electrical meeting to determine condition of the wire what's required, location of things

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They gathered all the data that they need. The quote that we received previous was for $279,000 for just the lights on the field. Um if the wire doesn't test good, that's

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another 80 to 100,000 on top of that number. Um some contingencies that have not been addressed yet either are take down and removal of fencing um tree removal, which some are

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accounted for because they're ash trees. So I don't want to comment on the hard number just yet because I just don't have the information all together yet, but we are working hard on it. Musco has the plan. Um

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we'll be able to bring a lot of different options to council as far as This is what it would be for the tennis court and the parking lot and we have to think of all things because the lights that we know right now that you can see from the Big Steer that's not the case

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anymore. The concession stand will be dark. Like they are so laser focused on the field. So when I have the full report, which they are working diligently on, you guys will be the first to know. >> Would that be potentially with a grant

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information or >> The grant information um, is also to be determined. Looking at the T-Mobile grant, um, Musco also has sent me a list of grants to

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that are available. Um, most of the ones seem to be for children. So, it's kind of difficult to phrase it in a manner that is eligible or to for

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our part to be eligible. Um, that's also an ongoing process. >> Has anybody talked to Phil lately? >> I talked to him briefly yesterday when he dropped his liquor license off. When we talked, timing and potential cost

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sharing. So, we're >> Nothing more in-depth for the cost sharing? >> Um, well, basically I asked him if you guys are able to donate, how much is it? And he told me 10 grand. >> But based off of our discussions, didn't

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we have to incur the cost of a study to determine if the wiring was >> Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot to mention that. So, right now, um, I do need to inform you guys that there is testing that needs to be done to the wire to the

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tune of about $2,000. So, that we know if the wire is good or bad. Without that, the risk we run, we could use the wire that we have in the ground, um, without knowing, I don't have a lot of

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confidence in a lighting system to this nature of what happens 15 years down the line? Um at the JC Park, the lights are 19 years old for the first 16 years of them, they were flawless.

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Uh being an old dump site or whatever excuse you want to find of things that are buried or shifting or this or that. Um we've had a couple things with Excel, but they started to notice their age. Um

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Musco has been absolutely fantastic with anything that we have. They're the first ones on there. They're right on site. There was a warranty bulb that was just replaced this year. The first one that went down, they went they replaced it. Um

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but if we don't put new wire in, we don't get that service. You know, that's a big portion of that lighting infrastructure that would kind of be on us. Um again, not saying that you can't

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use the wire that we have now, but you're introducing two fault points at every single pole when you are splicing. So. >> And then when you're looking at a project of this dollar amount, $2,000 to make sure it's solid seems like an easy answer.

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>> Yeah, but can we can we wait to do that study till we they give us what the price would be after the you know, all in if the wiring was bad, then we can figure out if we want something we want to move forward with and then do that. You follow me? >> Mhm.

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>> The only price that I could get you right now would be for 2027 numbers with using our wiring. >> Okay. They wouldn't they couldn't give you a >> Or or I'm sorry. >> With a >> With new wire. >> Okay, that that was my guess. So yeah,

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if we if we knew what the total dollar amount is, we could work backwards from there. All right, this is what kind of our worst-case scenario is. Do we want to spend the $2,000? Or if we're not going to move forward with it, then >> I would I'm hopeful that I have a price

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>> Okay. >> by next Thursday's meeting for you guys. Um that's been made. They they know that timing is of the essence and we're in budget season and we're making decisions and things like that. So, I just wanted you guys to get 2,000 bucks

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is kind of the cap not to exceed $2,000. $1,500 to $2,000 to get equipment in there, test the wiring, see what we got. Um you know, some potential savings of a hundred hundred thousand dollars. So,

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>> Um you had mentioned at JC Park are those lights um they're 19 years old, you said? >> Yep, 2007 they were installed. >> So, we should probably start looking at that, too. Like thinking ahead and maybe that grant from T-Mobile could go toward that because that is used for youth

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sports. >> They're still under warranty. >> Okay, how long is the warranty? >> 20 years. >> Okay, so we're on that last. >> We're on the last stretch of it. Um The issue is has not been Musco's equipment at all. The issues we've had are all

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wiring and Excel Excel Energy is probably the biggest issue. That's why the transformer got moved. Power supply issues. Um I have

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all the confidence that one could have for the lights at the JC Park. If we look at I don't know the exact year, 1980 the ones at the Trend were put in, say that. Um So, we're at

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46 years for those lights. >> Right. >> I I I can't predict the future, but I got all the faith that we have 50 years of at year 50 we're probably saying I think they're still good. I mean It's new technology. They're they're amazing.

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>> Good. Good to know. >> [clears throat] >> Brian, you you got anything to add to this? >> Well, I I watched some of the meeting uh discussing this and I know one of the things that came up was

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pick a percentage that we're willing to commit to. Has the park board picked a percentage yet? >> No, because we were waiting up to have a meeting with um Tisdale to kind of see what the East is

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partnership what they had in mind. So that we can work together and see what a feasible percentage could be. But if he's only if you he just told me yesterday 10,000 that's good. >> 95% >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah, but I I think I think we kind of have to pick. I mean it seems like we're playing chess here and nobody wants to move. >> Mhm. >> So I would say pick a percentage and then if it's realistic then we budget for it.

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And that's what that's what we're offering. >> One one of the >> Cuz I mean they can say we're going to give 10% but then there was a lot of talk about fundraising as well. Mhm. So um >> There was a lot of discussion about how that park is not necessarily open to the

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public. >> saw that part, too. >> And so um for the tax dollars to go toward funding the majority of the project it was a little contentious. >> Yeah, I mean I watched the meeting. Um you know, I think there were some good

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arguments made about there's a lot more that use that park than we realize. >> Mhm. >> So I think we've kind of answered that argument, but really I I what it comes down to here is what I'm hearing is we we need to decide like

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do we direct park to pick a few projects or pick one? Cuz that's kind of what this is coming down to. Cuz if we do these lights, that's it. >> Mhm. >> I can't imagine there's any more money to put in any other park. >> We don't even have enough money to pay for the lights right now. >> Well, right. And I don't think we should

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have to pay for all of it, either. >> No. >> Um you know, I I know other cities, you know, depending on the partnership with with some of those teams and who built the fields, some cities don't do anything with those

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maintenances in those parks. Um I think that park's a a good asset to the community. I think there's a lot of reasons to stay involved, but park board's got to pick a percentage. I

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think is what it comes down to. Um we have to pick something that we're we're comfortable with. What the park board feels comfortable with, but you know, keep in mind, if this is the project, if this is the hill

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you want to die on, this is it. Because I can't imagine there's going to be much money left over for really anything else park related. >> I don't want to die on any hill, but I'm just saying >> [laughter] >> I feel like we're going to have to bond for it or something. >> The conversation changed to this being a priority. >> Yeah. We but we would probably have to

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bond for it or something because we do not have that money and I or I've already been saying I don't want to spend money that we don't have in the bank already from >> [clears throat] >> um park allocation fees or whatever might be coming in until we have it. And then if we get that money, we could

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pay off the bond, but I don't know. That's just >> Can Joe can you remind what what's the park dedication anticipated funding? What the number was? >> Not enough. >> I I don't remember. The apartments are around 100 grand,

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right? >> It's more than that. >> All right. >> It was like 130. >> 130, 150. >> Basically 100 grand for the parks, and then really the uh Prairie Vistas is going to be based off of what the um uh >> phasing is.

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>> Okay. >> So, 100 grand. >> So, it's not like a nice big chunk all at once to pay. >> No, but I I think the intent is so you have options in front of you for it

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where yeah, you got park dedication dollars coming in. And then Joe's working on trying to get some grants coming in. We're going to apply for everyone we possibly can. And then try to reduce that number.

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And then if it comes down to it, if we're able to reduce it even by like 100,000 it's a little bit easier to go into the conversation of bonding, especially if you got somebody that'll do fundraising

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and bring some money to it. To which then you would have your agreed percentage. Cuz you'd probably bond for for I don't know, 7 years? Within 7 years, 10 years? Whatever that term is. >> Mhm.

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>> And um you know, you'd have your agreed percentage per year. >> Can I ask one question? Is there a situation that we can't come up on an agreement with the Lonestar Aces

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that would kill this project? >> Well, I definitely want to keep the partnership going. It's I value them and all the teams that come into town. >> No, I'm saying so if let's say that the Aces are no, 10 grand that's it.

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Are we still doing it? As how big of a player are the Aces in this and I just I'm asking for identifying things for 2027. If it if the if no is still a possible answer I would like to be able to present you

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guys with a plan B. >> Oh, I'd like a plan B either way I think just so I can be prepared you know to think things through and things like that. I don't know. It's hard for me to say because I feel like it's it's a need but >> Yeah, anything

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>> Right now >> Yeah, we we we kind of ran into the same problem this morning with EDA, right? We're in our budget cycle. At some point we have to make a commitment. So, I think what we need from the park board is >> Make a commitment.

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>> Make make a commitment. You got to pick a number I think is what it comes down to and I think that would be what I from a council perspective is is going to ask because that's that's exactly what I said to everybody this morning at EDA. I said look I don't want to have this conversation

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again in July at the EDA meeting. We have to commit to a decision on what we're going to ask today. >> So then are we just going to approach it like worst case it's going to be what like 375 to an account for inflation?

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>> guess I guess that's what the that's what the park board needs to decide. Are they willing to go 100%? Is that what the park board is going to recommend to say we're willing to go 100%? And then what >> What you get is what you get. >> Yeah. That's what

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>> What what happens if we do have an agreement with the Aces and they dissolve, go belly up? >> I mean I guess >> we're in it 100% then. >> Yeah, the the question comes down to is what's what's the limit the park board is going to recommend to go to. What do

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you want for this project as the priority? As your ask for council to approve for the overall budget. And I mean that's we again we had the same and we'll get to it with the EDA but we had the same problem where it's like well there's some unknowns but we

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have to pick a number. So we picked a number. And I think that's just what we have to get to. >> So are we to wait until you get that quote then from Musco or what do you or are we just going to say like high end what would it be even if

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if we did the wiring and everything rough guess 375? >> I don't think it exceeds 500,000 but I see possibilities of it getting close. >> Okay. Like if we have to redo all the wiring. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Correct.

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Um or even one >> And one pole was I know that I noticed the one light pole is badly bent or bowed on the trendiest current ones? >> Yeah. >> Or is that it was just an optical? >> They sway quite a bit. >> Okay.

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>> So the wind really affects them. >> Okay. >> I just when I I I drove by the the other day and it looked like the one uh right by the stands I guess it would be left field. Um it looked like it had a >> It could >> I I I I seriously doubt it.

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>> Okay I understand the weight's hanging off of it and stuff but you know you're going to hang a half million dollars worth of lights on I mean cuz I know they're talking about just reusing the existing poles. >> No. >> Oh no they're just changing them out? >> Nope Musco will not do that.

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>> Okay. >> Nope. >> I believe that was not the original discussion. >> Original wired. >> Okay. >> Over the years I've always been >> I think you guys are going >> I think you should we're just going to move one. >> A relocation. >> A relocation one.

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>> Which is after this round, um when they actually came to the field, just the feasibility of the location of that pole where it was proposed.

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Uh it's much closer to where it is currently. >> Okay. >> Cuz most of them are going to have to be accessed from the field. So >> Will any of this impact the field to where the Aces will have incurred um

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more expense to repair the field back to good? >> I would say yes. >> Okay. >> Mosco will restore it to as best they can, but there's this thing, you know, like I said, we're going to have fence that we have to take down. Maybe sidewalks to have to repair.

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Restoration, um just all in general. And that that's why I'm just hesitant to comment on a hard dollar number just cuz I don't have that information yet. And like I said, we just met, so it's it's it's coming. They're working

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on it. >> All right. >> I mean, based off the information that that we have, is there a certain number that the council is expecting or would like to see? >> I'd like to hear what you guys think so

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I can bring it back to parks, too. >> I'd like to see a percentage, you know, percentage that the Aces like or or whoever, you know, whether that be a combination of you know, whoever else uses that field, if we reach out to the schools or whoever, you know, some of the

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the house leagues or whatever, um Legion ball. Um see if those groups collectively, you know, I I think at the end of the day pick a percentage and let's go from there. Um and >> I'm kind of curious too

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because that is a memorial baseball field. That was named after John Trinda, first >> Mhm. >> casualty um Lansdale resident and more and

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um I'm kind of curious if we can try to talk to the American Legion, too. You know. >> Cuz that was World War I, right? He was World War I casualty. So. >> So, I mean, at the end of the day

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it's just utilizing as many resources as we can, but you know, hey I think we just need a damn number. Um >> Yeah, and I mean >> you know, and then from there it's you know, as far as a percentage goes, I mean but

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what happens if we agree upon a certain of percentage and then we go and bond for it? And then here, they're expected to pay 15,000 a year and they still maintain the field. Like are we kind of bankrupting them? You know, per season. So, I I think we

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just got to be creative a little bit more. We got time to plan for this. Um but we just need to know if is this going to is this going to go? Are we going to work on trying to figure it out and get it done? Um if that's the case, then it's

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definitely worth the time and the investment. Um and we can make it work out, especially when we discuss if if we would like to go bonding, but ideally, I like to see that number get reduced. Um whether it's grants or, you know, some

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extra money coming in through donations, whatever it might be, then we can go into bonding cuz then it would be better for the city and better for the Aces. And then I think that's where you figure out your percentage too. Cuz reality is is you don't want to set

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them up say 30 35% that's what you're in for and then >> And if it's like 500 grand that's a lot of money. >> And that's a lot of interest too. You know, so But it I mean we just need to know like are we doing this?

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>> Right and I you know as far as that percentage are there things that First off I think we just need to meet with the Aces. We need to meet with the Aces. We need to get a percentage figured out. We need to understand that there are things that that might say that there it's bankrupting them and that is not

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possible. But with these other contingency items you know there's dollar values to all that. Here you guys willing to take the fence down and put it back up are you guys willing to >> willing to pitch in too? >> to cut these trees down? Are you guys willing to repour the sidewalk? Are you willing to do the grading work you know?

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They all have dollar values. >> Mhm. >> But it's just >> Like we need a break down of the >> this priority last week so I'm doing whatever I can to get to you. >> you're doing just fine Joe. You're doing good Joe. Um I didn't Yeah.

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It's all good. But I I do I do want to say that I I do believe that you know it is important. That is our premier park you know, um Ballfield Park. You know, we don't have a middle school. We don't have a high school in town

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you know, um to help us out with that park. And you know, it is a staple of our community too. Um Jamie I skipped over you. You got anything you want to add? >> Well, everybody you've named that could

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possibly contribute can also help fundraise. And when they did the lights the original time Mike Tokarski took some money of his own, invested it in the stock market, and he picked a winner. Unfortunately, we didn't invest in Apple or Microsoft years ago.

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That would have been huge, but then the rest of it was raffles, and they raffled off a bunch of stuff. Like, it just wasn't one thing, but some of the stuff that goes over really well in town is golf carts, four-wheelers, ATVs,

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guns, >> split the pot at every game. >> Yeah. >> That all helps. >> Yeah. >> So, we can try to get some of it through fundraising, maybe not 100%, but at least 25% if not more. Though,

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and we do have the benefit that Joe De Leiden was on that fundraising committee. He's still around. We can ask him what they did. And I'm sure he'd be glad to help and give some ideas. >> Yeah, no, and I agree 100%, but I I want I I think the important piece here is

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it's not our job as the city to do that fundraising. We can speak with the organizations, but they're the ones who got to be responsible for doing it. We can't be doing raffles. >> No. >> We can't, you know, I mean, but I agree 100%. All of these organizations can do

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that fundraising, but they have to do it. We as a city cannot do it. I mean, we've gone to the well for Founders Day. I don't think we can keep going to the same well. I mean, I've I've I've used this term with a lot of things because it's fundraising

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season for a lot of stuff, and you go to the same well over and over and over again, and it will run dry. So, we can't be going to our businesses and say, "Hey, I know you're funding the fireworks, can we get you to throw some money at these lights, too?" When I think that's the responsibility of these

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other organizations. We're we're talking about we'll put up budget money, we'll put up potentially bonding money. That's what we're talking about here. That's that's our responsibility. The fundraising's got to come from the other organizations. >> Mhm.

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Yeah. >> I agree. >> But I agree it's a great idea and there's lots of ways to do it. And there's lots of people that'd be happy to throw their money into the fundraising pool. But I don't think we should get too deep down that road.

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Other than hey, this stuff's worked in the past. Here's some people you should talk to, go talk to them. Cuz it's not a responsibility of the city to set up those fundraisers. Nor I think legally should it be because I think, you know, it's a fine line. You know, we don't issue gambling permits to

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ourselves. >> All right, Scott. >> Yeah, I agree with Brian on, you know, on those points. Uh, you know, over the years this has been the, you know, we've talked about it every year at budget time. Um, and you know, there had there had been casual conversations with the [clears throat] uh, with the ball clubs and whatnot

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about it. Um, I don't want to say they were, they were noncommittal. I mean, that it just seemed like there wasn't a um, wasn't a fire uh, for any any under anybody to make it happen. Now, you know, suddenly here we

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are you know, kind of out of the blue, you know, it's a it's moved to the top of the list. Um, which you know, it yeah, 100 grand is a lot of money, but it's also

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a small, I don't know, small, but it's it's not enough to pull the trigger on it at the at the moment. We still have other other facilities that, you know, are other aspects that needed attention, too. So, yeah, I'm uh, I'm torn on it. It's

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definitely something that uh, I don't deny it needs to be done, but the um, Um, the previous uh, park board um, priorities I think still hold a lot of credence. And to I guess to

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uh, Director Dornfeld's position, you know, if this isn't going to happen, you know, this year, we really should be ready to act on those other items. >> It's council >> What What other items are you um,

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proposing there, Scott, just for priority markers? >> Um, I don't have my notes with me on that, but I know some of them were uh, they were there was a uh, path uh, to >> Up until this point, the park board had identified a trail extension from Willow

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Creek Drive Southeast to Steiger Park Skate Park. Um, I do have some preliminary cost estimates from Bolton Mink on the trail extension, parking lots, curbing, kind of the all-in. Not saying we have

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to do all of those things, but that was the um, to the tune of about 275,000. And that was um, that was priority number one until this. Things other things that we had talked about were

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uh, JC Park pavement, to get both bathrooms ADA compliant. Right now, there's only one, which is still legal. We're still good. >> And the dog park? >> That was just that lip, right?

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>> It's the It's the grade at which it goes to the the old women's bathroom, the bathroom that's between the pavilion and the concession stand. It's too steep. >> Okay. And then there's still a lip, right, to get into it?

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>> There's a little bump on the threshold. >> Yeah. And that would be addressed with the grading, right? >> Absolutely. [clears throat] >> We talked about the dog park. >> in-house, Joe? Or >> A portion of it, yes. Uh the scope of that project really I gave

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I threw out a couple options of things we could do. I don't think we ever really settled on a scope. We kind of shifted to um skate park, eco park, and a couple of other in-house items of, you know, possible to make the tennis court a dual

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pickle ball court and tennis net, um eliminating the signal singing hills >> baseball >> little baseball field that's up there. Uh putting a light at the dog park, which, you know, light at the dog park and some concrete work at the dog park, too. Those are that dog park project is

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probably 80% in-house, I would say. You know, I can do all the concrete work. We can rent a trencher. We can get the wire laid. It's call Stahli's for the pole and the light to hook it up. That's really the only thing we'd be hiring out for something like that.

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>> Now, would that affect you know, a future expansion of that wastewater treatment facility? >> My understanding that the drying beds that have been proposed to us will fit in the area that is not fenced in currently. >> Okay. >> So, there there is quite a bit of green

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space up there between the dog park and the plant right now. >> You You think it might get a little smelly up there? >> There's really I shouldn't say that. >> And I'm asking that genuinely. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean,

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those are concerns that everyone's going to have. Um what I can say is if everything is I'm not saying that it can't happen, but if it's running good, there is no smell. So I'm saying that there can't be a

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>> And I'm hoping that it runs good. >> [laughter] >> Nobody's going to hold it against you. Put it this way. >> [clears throat] >> Well, I know I know that that alone, I mean, when people are looking at buying homes, they're like, "I'm right across the street from the sewage plant. You know, it's got to stink." And it doesn't. >> It doesn't. >> No.

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>> I hear more of the >> [clears throat] >> the bugs. >> About >> About bugs? >> About anything? >> Mosquito bugs, things. I would have to say no different than any other >> wet area. >> Wet, yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah.

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>> Is that giving direction to park board? >> Yeah. >> I think you got what you need. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> So, I just want to be clear though. So, uh we have been working on this the Willow Creek Trail connection priority for the last two meetings. So, we did

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pivot to the DRS lights. So, our directives from the council is to go back to tour upcoming July meeting. And for the the the park board to determine a percentage of the project. >> Either percentage or um

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>> Based upon our stakeholders at the DRS field. >> You'll have the quote by then, right? >> Hopefully, that's the plan. >> Yeah. So, more to come after >> Right. I'm hoping to have it before

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>> Next week, yeah. So, do we want to add like Well, we can just get the update in your department report, right? About the quote? Or do we want that as an agenda meeting for next next week? >> Well, I'm hearing that you guys want it to go to the park board for a

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recommendation and then brought back to the next budget meeting. >> Well, we kind of need the number, too, so that we know what >> You'll have that announced to the park boards before their meeting. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. >> So, you guys will have the all-in number. >> Mhm. >> And I think from there, looking at that all-in number,

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you have to decide as a board what you want for your budget for that if that's your priority. >> Well, it's way beyond our budget. >> Yeah, we know it's our priority, so I I just want to streamline the process here. I mean, >> How much How much of that quote that we

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will have, probably next week, is the park board willing to recommend stomaching >> Well, like last year, >> for the budget request. So, that way in July, when we have our budget meeting, >> Mhm. >> we as a council can say, "Yeah, that seems reasonable. We can

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make it work." Or, "No, that's too high. We'll do this number." I think that's what it comes down to, right? Cuz you make a request, "This is our recommendation as a park board. This is what we want." [clears throat] >> Mhm. >> And then we'll say, "Okay, yes or no." >> Mhm. >> And honestly, if the council has an

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idea, just tell us. >> Yes, that would help us. That would come in at 50%. >> Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, if it's going to be 500 grand, >> sounds like you guys are just going to make the decision on what that amount's going to be anyway, so >> I don't know. Um

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Well, I mean, we would have to if it's coming to bonding. >> Yeah. >> We would have the final say in that conversation. >> Well, yeah. I mean, if it's coming to bonding. >> Well, cuz last year, we cut our budget down to what the 30 grand? >> Mhm. Correct. >> Just for bare minimum maintenance of

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whatever because we didn't We had to cut all of our projects to cut down our budget. So, that's why I'm saying this is huge. >> Mhm. >> And we would be in the hole for years. So, then how are we proceeding with future projects? >> the same You have the same problem with

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the trail. It would be It would also be your phasing It would be to your phasing of the housing development that comes in, too. Cuz your park dedication is based off per lot that gets built. So, I mean, in now I can't guarantee you

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you're going to have, you know, phase 1 2 3 4 like in year 1 2 3 4. It could be 20 years before phase two. >> I know. >> But, uh I I I get the point that you're making, but you know, I I do think park has to do

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something. Um we >> Well, once Joel gets that number, email it out to the park board. So, that at least we kind of know what that worst case >> Joel's got the number. >> Yeah. To email it out and then >> I mean, you know, if you're looking if

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if you do the trail extension, which was the previous >> Mhm. >> you're talking about 275, you said? >> Yeah. >> I mean, you're in the same boat. >> Yeah, what How are you going to fund that? >> That was the discussion that we were going to have. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, the recommendation to the council. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did they Did park ever come up with a

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recommendation? >> No, because we pivoted. We didn't finish the discussion. We pivoted to the >> I didn't know if you guys talked about it when you did the field trip. >> We started to, but >> [laughter] >> Well, we did a little bit, but but our priority had already shifted by the

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field trip time. So, we didn't really dig into it much. We just did our couple site visits. >> day? >> Yeah. We went to Sticka and the dog park. >> And then race back for founders. >> Yeah. That's all we did. >> So, the 275 that you said was that just the trail or was that the >> The whole

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>> That was the culvert and the culverts so that the trail stays on the south side of Willow Creek Drive. Safety was the priority, so >> And to complete the Sticka Park completely. >> Yep. So, we extend that culvert.

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Um trail stays on the south side. It's paving both parking lots. It's curbing. It's connectivity between both parking lots. And I guess another bonus is it Steiger Park would be considered substantially complete.

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>> Mhm. >> Uh just for for my clarity, do you want me to order the $2,000 test, or do you want me to hold off on that and just plan as it's worst-case scenario highest dollars? >> I like to plan for worst case and hold on. That's

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>> and test after >> Yeah. >> that. >> Cuz then it would be a bonus if it was good. >> Does that have a negative impact on the budgeting? And then we're talking 80 to 100 >> because you're guessing 80 to 100,000 in

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just wiring. Right. And I bet you majority of that's labor. And so, I mean, you're already messing with false numbers cuz, you know, if you don't do that, then you're I mean, I wrote down the numbers. Lights only was 279,000.

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Wire and labor, 80 to 100. You know, you guys take this back to park board and say, "Numbers 379,000." And if you don't spend the 2,000 to dismiss the 80 to 100, you know, it's already messing with false numbers. >> But Joel said it could be up to 500.

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Yeah, those are >> That's all That's That's trees, sidewalk restoration. >> We need to know the whole scope cost. >> Not just that because we have to figure out what are the Aces >> that from everything else. >> Right, but then why we also need to talk

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to the Aces what part are they willing to do, like you had already talked about. Are they willing to >> Well, I think if you have a number, so if you have a number, then >> So, we're spending the two grand to figure out if we need to spend 80 to 100. [clears throat]

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That's the question right now. >> Um I That would be my recommendation to the council. >> Yeah, I mean, I I don't I It's two grand. >> Ask Phil to pay for it. Just try asking Phil. Hey, can you put the You know, you said you got 10 grand for the lights. Can you put two down for

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the wiring? Check in the wiring. >> When they do that test, are they going to do each run individually? >> Say >> Some runs might be good because I work in the feed mill. We're dealing with 70-year-old wiring, and it's still immaculate. But, ours is sealed above

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ground where below ground something could have nicked something years back. Stuff shifts. >> Mhm. >> So, every pole will be isolated, ground to neutral, all of it tested. They can check faults, nicks, whatever.

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Um there is a situation where we only have to replace one stretch of >> Yeah, wire. >> or it it This test just determines It's It's hard numbers is what we're after. >> They're just homing it out, aren't they?

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>> It's a $1,800 meter is my understanding. Um >> Yeah. >> I'm not sure if that's just cuz they're such big power that that's what it requires. But >> What is it, 220? >> Yeah, it's three phase.

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Um 460. So >> Oh, okay. >> They're probably doing a voltage drop with uh loaded circuit loaded circuit. Yeah, they got to drop the resistance changes once you start energizing it. >> It's just homing it out. >> So, we're we're we're going to get an

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all-in quote. >> Yeah, where would we >> next week. >> Where would the 2,000 come from right now if we had made a motion, where would we get the 2,000 out of? >> Well, my recommendation was to call Phil and ask if he's willing to put the 2K down. >> But, what if he's not? Then where's it coming from?

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>> Well, where's the rest of the The for the lights coming from? >> That's what I don't [laughter] know. That's where where everything lies, but >> skin in the game, you know. >> But before any motion gets made, we need to know where the money's coming from. >> You have anything left of that 30 grand? >> No, it was all bare minimum, just

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maintenance. That was it. >> Make one of pollinator park and stop cutting it and then spend the two grand on the laptop. >> But pollinator parks are expensive, [laughter] too. >> Not really. I can get the seed cheaper than you guys are quoting. >> Okay. >> That was a joke. >> Good. I don't >> But somebody's got to plant it. >> Yeah.

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>> I mean, >> We have plenty of We have a 4-H club. Joanne maybe would want to help with the kids. Anyways, that's another topic. >> There There's two ways we go here. We We I don't think we need to even have a motion. I mean, it's going to be going back to the park board. >> Yeah.

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>> So, I mean, by that time a phone call with Bill could be done and either they're willing to pay it or not and then the park board can make the recommendation. This is a park board item. And it's an up-to number, right? We do up-tos all the time. If the quote is 500,000,

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park board says, "Well, we're we're going to commit to up to pick a number." And that's your your recommendation to the council. Now, after the fact, we do our testing, whatever, we get grants, that number comes down, there's fundraising, that number comes down more, you know,

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whatever. That's That's an up-to number is what we're looking for. >> But that's what I was saying and then you said that it would be fake numbers. So, I don't know. >> If we don't check the wire. We'll have the wire checked before

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December when we have to finalize the budget. >> Okay, so can we move on from this topic? >> No, we don't We have to We have to certify the budget in September. >> Well, September. I mean, we can have the test done before then, too. We're going to know next week what the all-in number is. >> We can

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Anyway. All right. If they won't If they won't give the two grand in, it shows a level of commitment. >> Exactly. >> And I I can't speak. I don't I don't know them well enough, but you know, that whole throw some skin in the game,

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I mean, there's there's the first step. >> [snorts] >> So, who's going to call them? >> I can call them. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Are we establishing a park board? >> I guess. >> All right. Planning and zoning, Jamie.

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>> They're asking if council has any things they'd want reviewed. Joel's asked for rental permits. He says it's long overdue considering there are a lot of rental homes in town and we should have a basic thing in force.

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Just like so we know who is the owner, who's responsible for cutting the lawn, if it's the tenant, if it's the owner, um maintenance on the properties. And And there's also our comprehensive plan, which is

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10 years out of date. >> Mhm. >> And um the way we thought something was going 10 years ago, those properties might not be available now, but in the opposite direction in town, there are a lot of properties available. So, if you go to the north,

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there are numerous properties for sale on the north side of town versus 10, 20 years ago when nobody on the north side of town wanted to sell. And then incorporate all the adopted ordinances since 2022. >> How often are ordinances codified?

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>> Uh depends on how many are adopted, but typically every couple years. How does it put them in our city code? >> Mhm. >> Is there a cost to that? >> Oh, yeah. Cuz we have to >> Right. 3,500. >> Per or together? >> Per time?

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>> Okay. So, per time. >> all could go at once. So, so the more you save up, the better deal you get when you >> Yeah. >> Wow, it's based off of the number of ordinances. So, I mean, historically it's been around that dollar amount. >> I mean, the rental ordinance piece, I think that's just a

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I don't see a lot of cost associated with that, right? >> Uh I think the biggest thing is is enforcement. It is the council prepared to implement it. >> Right. >> Are we having a lot of issues right now with rental properties?

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>> Uh you know, it it it all depends, but you know, to Jamie's point, there's a lot more rentals in town than people think. >> Yep. >> It's you know, not just ooh, there's an eight-plex. >> Mhm. >> You know, probably 70% of the homes on Ash Street Northeast

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are rentals. >> There's quite a bit on Main Street, too. >> Yeah, there's a few two on my street. >> Mhm. >> Well, I think a lot of cities have the rent rental ordinance, it makes sense to know who the property owner is, who's ultimately responsible for that maintenance like Jamie had mentioned.

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So. >> We specifically go after the property owner. >> Okay. Right now without a >> For any maintenance on the property. For the flying issues. It's your people assuming the property. >> [clears throat] >> I feel it's their responsibility there.

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>> Control their tenant? >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Do you ever get any pushback from property owners saying, "Well, this is in a lease agreement with the tenant that they're supposed to maintain the lawn, for example?" You haven't had that? Okay. I mean, I could see it >> Mhm. >> where there's a lease agreement that

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they say, "You're responsible for the lawn." the the maintenance of the lawn or whatever. Citation comes to the property owner, property owner pushes back and says, "I have a lease agreement." We don't have anything on file. If we had an ordinance, we would require them to >> But I think it goes in our ordinance

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this is this is much more in-depth than that. This is actually, I building inspector going out doing an inspection of each rental upon renewal of license. >> Okay. >> You essentially be adopting the I don't know the exact >> UCC?

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>> Um well, I mean, we've already adopted the the building code, but um the if it's the state or international property maintenance code. >> Okay. >> Screens on windows. Egress in the basement. >> So, then would the property owner be

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responsible for the cost of that inspection each time the license is up? >> Uh yeah, I mean, it should be covered in the cost of the the um the license fee. >> Comprehensive plan would be probably the most >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> impact of the budget here, but I mean it's 10 years old. There's been a lot of change in town in those 10 years, I think. I think that's definitely something that we should be looking at from a budget perspective. Well,

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>> EDA EDA this morning, you guys were talking about expansion on the business park, and right now would be the perfect time to go through the comprehensive map. >> Mhm. >> So, um I think that's a big thing that needs to be prioritized. >> I agree.

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>> And maybe a joint planning zone of EDA meeting potentially with council, too, would be pretty beneficial. Um >> Well, I think a lot of the things on the comp plan have been they can they've been checked off. So, making sure that all of that has been updated and

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>> And then with the feasibility studies, too, were included. I >> And would this update of the comp plan include reaching out to residents for the survey, like last time?

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>> Damn, whatever you guys >> Well, I think it would be good. >> BR&E too. Today. As a potential plan. Well, yeah, it came up. I mean, we didn't I didn't see any appetite to No, we were just

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discussing and doing that again. We were touched on it just from a standpoint of uh reaching out to when we get inquiries about new business or there's new businesses in town. We could provide them with some of that data that says this kind of digest it down into a more

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um easily di- easily consumed information. [clears throat] Yeah, cuz >> Like a demo report? >> Have you seen the BRE? >> An executive summary as she calls it. >> It's multiple pages. >> Poor Morgan, yeah. >> It was compiled by the University of

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Minnesota. So, it's >> That's all you need to say about it. >> It's a technical document. So, anyway, uh back to P&Z though, um you know what, it has been brought up about e-bike and e-scooters, you know, and I know that we are have been talking about state statute.

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Um if there's anything else anybody wants to provide extra into an actual ordinance, you know, P&Z can look into it. >> I think maybe you make an the city ordinance the same as state for now. >> I don't think we have to. >> You don't have to? >> You don't have to.

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>> Okay, then we don't then we don't need one if we're just going to go off of the state. >> Yeah. Um I don't know the the state law doesn't address sidewalk or >> Yeah, it does. >> Well, but only for certain types, right? Not for all. >> Um

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>> That's the problem because they changed the the classifications on some of these things. I think a a real concern The concern that I hear from from people in town >> Main Street. >> Well, no. It's just these things on the trails. >> Mhm.

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>> And I don't any of them. >> Like not even e-stuff. I mean, the the pit bikes, the dirt bikes. I mean, it's kind of become the wild west. >> Well, anything that is not self-propelled. I mean, bicycles aren't allowed on these trails, so why would we let an electric scooter be on these

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trails? >> And there shouldn't be electric motorized vehicles on the trails. Some of them already have that signage. >> They all have that signage. If you The ordinance part would be basically to say where we don't want them, like Main Street. And

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over a certain power or wattage, not available on the trails. And your pit bikes, you needed to have it licensed and roadworthy. They're not supposed to be on the trails to begin with. And if you're not 18, you need a helmet on

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and you got to be licensed. >> That was to my point. Is it I understand you know, but yeah, there everybody's just kind of hey, it's got wheels. I'm going to go whip it around. It's just me, it's you know, whatever. I mean, the the the dirt bikes and all that stuff, no lights, no licensing, no helmets, no

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eye protection, you know, flip-flops and shorts. I mean, I you know, the clearly the the proper operation of equipment is not their concern. It's just they're just going around and whipping around doing stuff. So, you know, I think as a whole, the the entire thing needs to be addressed.

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>> I think a recommendation should come from our police department. Yeah. >> But people are asking about having better communication out to residents about the expectations. Even though it is a state law, it would be nice for us to >> I brought this up months ago,

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and it wasn't done. >> Well, it sounds like there's a conversation for PNC right there. >> Yeah, I think I think >> Any input that you guys got, you know, you pass it on and they can review it in PNC. >> Yeah. And I think the comprehensive plan

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should be a priority, too. And I think from an EDA standpoint, I mean I feel confident in speaking for the EDA saying that let's partner up on it. It it it benefits both boards. So,

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however we need to partner on that. >> I think it's been a while since you guys have done that last, and that was a very beneficial meeting. So, >> Yeah. >> Um and I I know like after the last joint meeting with council and EDA, I heard from a lot of them they really liked

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that. They They like to do it again. So, um getting P&Z on it, too. >> I think EDA people just like to meet not at 7:00 in the morning. >> [laughter] >> They enjoy coming to this building not the >> You guys can change the time whenever you want, you know. Take advantage of

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it. You can do Fridays. >> At 4:30 p.m. >> No, no, no. [laughter] 7:30 p.m., right, Corey? >> All right, then we'll we'll take that. 7:00 a.m. >> We'll take Mondays. There you go. All right, so just to clarify the

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priority moving forward with P&D or P&Z update to comprehensive plan. That's our Is that our number one priority? >> For me, yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Got it. Perfect. Thank you. That That's some great direction. >> And then uh Did you guys go through uh residential

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design standards again recently, or was it just >> We had the public hearing for it, and um it was uh approved and by city council, also. >> Residential design standards, we didn't

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change anything. >> Correct. But uh we're looking at the city code in a whole for our zoning districts. >> Yeah, it's just talking residential um design standard.

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>> [snorts] >> Okay. >> Cuz I I don't think that came up to council. I thought it resident >> PMG decided not to >> do anything. >> We did change a couple things regarding commercial >> rural

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>> No, in the residential we did take out uh the fact that you couldn't sell anything on your property because it's ridiculous. You should be able to sell your extra zucchini if you want. >> And or your eggs. >> And remember [snorts] the amount of people in the household also.

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>> Yeah. It actually restricted how many people you could have live in your house. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Well, I know like the >> Based on square footage, right? >> No rule. >> Bedrooms. >> Bedrooms. >> Cuz in rental properties, there's a there is a limit of how many people can

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share a bedroom. There are rules. >> It's one per every 200 square >> 250 square feet. >> Mhm. >> And we changed it to align with that and then um basically it said that the home occupancy we changed to >> Correct.

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>> the definition on it because it was very vague. But >> Is there anything else that you like you know, to revisit maybe or something else you want to see, Jamie? >> As far as evolution of building

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materials, we should probably periodically regardless dive back into that section on all districts because stuff evolves and um what was junk 10 years ago is now good and what was good 10 years ago is

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not standard anymore. So, we should always be evolving that part. Um metal roofs on residential houses is really popular out in the country, but we don't allow it in town. And um

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hidden fastener roofs look awesome, and if done right, they don't make much more noise inside the house than a shingle roof. That would be one thing to consider. >> I don't remember how long ago it was. I do believe we did allow for the metal shingle roof.

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>> That's different than hidden fastener. >> No, I I I understand. I understand that. >> Well, you'll see on the old school house on the feed now or on the new warehouse on there. Our building and some of the

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parks have it on their roofs. >> And I brought that as a uh Well, well, brought that forward so that at least we had a metal option, which um you know, durability and whatnot was is better than an asphalt shingle.

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But it still met the the design standards. >> We will have to revisit the data center at some point in time by next March, otherwise the moratorium will be gone. >> That's a priority to me. >> I I think you guys got to kind of start

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engaging in the conversation, start planning. I mean, there's nothing that states that you can at least start documenting what you like to see it become. Um >> There is a section in Arizona code that

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says if it's not listed, it's prohibited. And data centers are not listed, so they are prohibited. >> So, it sounds like planning and zoning should start coming up with a list of everything you'd like to see in town.

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And put it in the appropriate districts instead of >> We pretty much did what we did in there. >> We added a lot. >> I know you guys added a lot, but I mean you're really reviewing it again. Seeing what else potentially might be missing.

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I know they once said everything that was ever that was going to be invented was invented. And that was in 1800s, so if you don't know that something could be there, how do you list it? >> As far as the data centers, I've been

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doing my research and I think you're better off restricting the usage on why you don't want a data center there. >> Like the electrical usage, the water usage. >> The environmental impacts. >> Environmental impact, we should probably just add it into the code after a

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certain size square footage building you need to do an environmental impact study regardless. >> Mhm. And the public health impact. >> I'm kind of curious how favorable it's going to come off there. That's kind of where they're at. >> So, I guess

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I look at what was permissible, what was prohibited, and what was conditional in our zoning districts. So, if somebody had a phone call to city staff and they want to be in that business park and it was not

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permissible or conditional, what happened then? >> Get a variance. Or a conditional use permit. >> No, just they got to either rezone it or pick a different location. So, even if cuz a lot of these zoning districts, they had the same

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the the same almost structure of what was allowed in them. So, how would you rezone it because I2 and C1 was almost the same. >> You do it. >> So, >> Yeah, so they had asked me for a PUD.

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Uh no, if there wasn't a Well, that becomes a bigger question of, you know, or or that zoning district gets amended to allow that. >> We went through that with the billboard. >> Typically, planning spot zoning is not a is not a recommendation. >> Right.

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We had to do that with the billboard, didn't we? We didn't spot zone that billboard. >> No, but we had to modify the the zoning district, >> No, it was the ordinance to allow for the dynamic billboard. >> Oh, that's right. That's right. That's

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right. I knew we changed something. I just Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just wanted to state that clearly. We did not spot zone cuz that was what MnDOT was saying we were doing was spot zoning. >> Yeah, no, sorry. I didn't mean to imply we spot zoned. I thought we changed the

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>> No, no, no. I I I thought we were I confused the ordinance with changing the entire district. So. Permitted use. My apologies. Are we good on >> Are we good on plan zoning? >> I'm good.

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>> Curt? Dean? >> I'm good. >> Scott? >> Yep. >> All right. EDA? >> I'll go quick. I think uh We had talked about the revolving loan fund. Uh EDA feels pretty comfortable that we are

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good at least through '27 with what we have available to us. We're not requesting any additional funding for the revolving loan. Um we're going to keep working on that as a discussion point as a a board on

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future, you know, how do we keep the revolving loan fund viable, um you know, keeping money in it. Um [clears throat] we basically are going to have our budget asked the same as last year, $40,000.

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Um one of the big things from our our budget last year was um the studies which were funded. We don't foresee the need uh upcoming this year for any

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feasibility studies, market studies. Um however, we wanted to keep the door open for the potential of because we don't have our purchase agreement back yet signed for the

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business park, the potential of do we need to market that land again? So, money's that were put aside in our budget last year within that 40,000 for feasibility studies. We have them, but they're not

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necessarily dedicated to anything because there's the potential of if that makes sense. So, uh we didn't want to reduce our our budget from last year. I mean we had talked about it potentially

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reducing our budget by, you know, up to $10,000 because we don't have these studies. However, we see the potential maybe there's some things. And now, based on the conversation tonight about the comprehensive plan,

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that might be a place where the EDA can help within the budgeting of some of that comprehensive plan cost with planning and zoning. So, >> So, you find a reason to hold on to your money. >> Well, potentially, yeah. >> [laughter] >> I mean, we have a buffer in there, but I

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think we're we're trying to be reasonable and responsible with it. And the other thing is one of the things that we're discussing and looking at is if we have leftover funds, those can potentially flow into backfilling

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the EDA revolving loan fund. So, we have a little bit of inflow year after year because we want to have money available. Like, we were kind of in a situation before the facade grant ended and that money came back into the revolving loan fund.

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Um we were out of money. And we had people saying, "I would like to get a revolving loan." I mean, you give one out and all of a sudden everybody wants one. >> Mhm. >> Well, we were out of money. We had less than $5,000, I believe, at one point available in the revolving loan fund.

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Um so, we're trying to be creative about ways to keep that fund sourced without having to say, "We need to increase our budget." Or, "We need another ask within the budget process to

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add to the levy burden." So, um you know, there's there's going to be some some wiggle room within the EDA to do some things. I think we're being responsible by asking for the same amount. Um

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and, you know, we're just kind of cautiously waiting to see where things go to determine where some of that money goes. >> Well said. >> Thank you. Any questions or direction that you could see we need to do differently?

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Okay. >> I think that's a good plan. >> Jamie? >> I'm good with that. >> Scott? >> Yeah, I'm all on board with that. >> Yeah, I I really want you guys to keep doing those business business. >> Oh, yeah, that's budgeted for. That that doesn't impact any

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>> Yeah. >> any any um Those are what ifs don't play into that at all. That's still on the >> I wasn't worried about the budgeting inside. I was just staying through this whole plan here. >> Yeah, we're trying to come up with some additional strategies to connect with

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businesses, both potential and existing or new, whatever it may be. >> Yeah, and absolutely the business visits are a top priority for us as well. >> All right, Founders Day committee. Carrie. >> Well, this year we are very fortunate to

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have amazing community members, organizations, and businesses who funded this entire event. Um I think there's a lot of excitement around it because it is the 250th birthday of America. Um people are excited to have fireworks back. Um

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but I would like to see a budget for it. Um we can still get donations as well. Um but I don't know how sustainable, like if this format could be sustainable long-term. And

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some of the committee members are really excited about growing Founders Day into something a lot bigger than what it is going to be this year, which to me this is huge. Um we have a ton of events going on from 3:00 all the way through midnight. We're involving a

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lot of different um areas of town, a lot of activities for people of all ages to participate in. Um just a lot of fun and excitement around this, but I want to make sure it doesn't die off. I if we're going to make this an annual celebration, I think it does deserve

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some budget money set toward it. Um but I'd like to hear what everybody else feels. >> I want to make a quick comment. Do we want to have a hard stop tonight? Based on everything else that we have >> Midnight. >> Yeah, that works for me.

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>> Midnight? >> Yeah, I think I think I'm I agree, especially since it's a holiday weekend for staff. >> Corey. >> Oh, yeah. >> What what time? You giving me a hard time. >> You got the longest >> If you say 30 minutes ago. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, we said 7:30. >> No, let's

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let's keep on going. We're having a really good discussion tonight. Um >> Nine. >> Let's just keep on going. >> Okay. >> All right. So, uh all right, Jamie. >> Um As far as Founders Day, they're doing

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good. Maybe a little more if they have time next year do some fundraising events around town. The fish fry was always huge. And it would help out some of the local

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businesses also. Like we get the money off the fish, but you can sell the drink tickets. That's one option and um >> We did talk about um a fundraiser this year, but with the time constraint and

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lack of volunteers >> Logistics behind it, the number of volunteers, the place >> of volunteers, the place to hold it, everything was too much of a burden. >> Yeah. So, we um really relied heavily on the amazing community to come through, which they

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did. But I agree, I would like to dedicate time for fundraising efforts as well. But I just wanted to make that piece known that we did talk about it, but we just didn't have >> Yeah, it makes more sense to start small and work your way out and get bigger as you go because

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there's a learning curve to this. None of you really did an event before. >> I have. >> Well, then you have one that did. >> Yeah. But I'm not in charge it's a committee it's a group effort and it's a learning it it has been a learning experience. >> Because especially with the city

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legalities that are involved with it, too. I haven't dealt with that level of an event. So. >> Yeah, and you we have to question, you know, is this truly the appropriate place for for city to be operating this function? >> [clears throat] >> So, I know that there's a lot it is a

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learning year. I know that there's been a lot of questions of what can be done and can't be done. Um it is concerning when um there just has to be more of an educational impact to the members and like what Brian said earlier,

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sustainability. I mean we we as Cara you just said that, hey, we appreciate all these local businesses, Scott and his wife the personal donations, but you know, that's a that's it's a large task to raise that much

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money. >> And it's not just the cost of the fireworks that we're dealing with. There's other expenses that are incurred with any event of this size. And we do have a lot of good volunteers. We have public works who's been amazing, um city staff, you know, and the

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committee members themselves, but I don't know how sustainable it will be for this exact model going forward. >> I Okay. So, I think this

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this conversation can happen after >> Yeah. >> the third because then we can discuss if it should be a budgeted expense to for the city to provide the funds for the fireworks. The founders committee could work with the auxiliary and sons. They can work

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with the Lonsdale Community Foundation. They can work with the Chamber of Commerce cuz we do put a lot of taxpayer money into the Chamber of Commerce for items. Um you guys had the conversation today during EDA. You know, you guys can link with a lot of these identities to help do the

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fundraising for everything extra, right? The founders committee could start working on, you know, historical society with with library, you know, or the library board. You know, we could start working on that cuz the next item we're going to have a conversation on on is 3

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R Landmark School. And you know, Jamie is going to be able to talk about the 3 R Landmark, you know, board. Um his dad being the youngest on the board. >> 72. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, we need to start

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transitioning some of that history over onto the city to promote, you know, what's in the library >> so that it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. >> And and the library has been so desperately wanting to be a part of that, too. So, that way the founders can

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start working on the historical portion of it, and then they're working in uh they're working together with all these other community committees based of community members where you guys can work with them and

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say, "All right. Hey, you know, um can we take some of these funds and can we actually fund through a bank?" You know, the community foundation can take part of that or the chamber can or you know, the Ox and the Sons, they can put on that fish fry. You know, and I know they've been talking about a fish fry

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for a while. But, I mean, this could be a a big community-led thing, and um that way it takes a little bit off of the committee itself because I know a lot of the people that were on the committee, they put a lot of time and

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dedication to that, and they did a lot of great work. Um and then also it takes a little bit off of staff, too, you know. So, you know, we're all in it together, and all of these people that I just mentioned, all these other committees, they love doing community-led events

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and fundraising. So, >> I want to that point, I want to make sure everybody is aware all of those organizations have contributed either financially or resources. And so, it's not like they haven't or whatever for this year, but they have. And with

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I also talked to Margaret about the archiving. She was waiting to get the scanner from somewhere else, but we just ran out of time for the initial idea of getting everything scanned in and having it ready to go. It just wasn't feasible with the logistics behind what the

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equipment she needed, but we are all on board with >> But you can do that at any time. >> Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying like for this particular event, we weren't able to get the scanning done for all the archive stuff. And you know, so it is we have been talking to the community members and and getting our ideas for how we want this to grow and involve

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other people, but we're just we focused on making this happen for this year. And >> Yeah, well like we're just talking about sustainability at this point and you know, some you know, I I think we need to see July 3rd happen first.

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>> too. >> But at least if if we end up stating, "Hey, we're going to make it a budgeted expense." That takes a lot of time and a lot of pressure off of the committee where they can focus on the historical side and working with some of these other nonprofits. >> Mhm.

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>> And you know, really adding to the day. So, I mean that's the only thing. Yeah. You know, I don't I did not come from a place of criticism when I said any of that. It was very much supportive. So, uh >> Sorry if I got defensive.

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>> You did. Yeah, [laughter] I just You know, you had no reason to. Okay. You had none. >> Cuz we have done a lot of stuff and so >> Yeah, the priority were fireworks this year. That was our number one priority. We met we met that goal. >> Mhm. >> So, I think one of the things here um

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we budgeted for the fireworks last year with the hopes of offsetting with donations. >> Donations. >> Which is what happened. So, we got we got lucky getting the goal met. Now, We didn't have a budget. There is no budget. given no budget for fireworks.

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We were Well, the city funded it. Oh, yeah. And then we were reimbursed it with the donation. So, here here's the thing that I think we need to >> 3,600? >> The down payment? >> Yeah, how much was it? 36, you said? >> Uh 20% down for West Pyro to make sure

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that we uh we we have them for July 3rd. >> So, we paid the down payment for this year year for this >> For this year. >> I think we did that. >> I think >> Yeah. >> fronted >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they fronted >> Okay, thank you. I think that's something that we need to consider

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because I'll be honest with you, if we want to have them again next year, we're probably going to have to reserve them >> Mhm. Now. >> on July 3rd. >> Yeah. >> So, we're probably going to have to have some sort of a a budget mechanism just to keep fireworks year after year

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because you got to get this stuff a year in advance. >> Mhm. >> Honestly, I think to Tom's point, the fundraising, the additional event stuff, you know, um I mean, maybe this comes down to

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city pays for the fireworks as part of a budgeted thing year after year and you know, like like he he said, focus on the historical site. Honestly, the flexibility in fundraising and event planning and everything else

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is going to be best to a non-government entity. 501c3 or CX, you know, whatever part of the the 501 IRS code, those organizations are going to have a lot more flexibility cuz I think we ran into this.

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>> And and and where to put that money, too. >> Exactly. >> You know, they >> Exactly. So, I think that's that's sustainable, the long-term plan, but I think we have to be realistic that we can't wait for fundraising to reserve

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the fireworks. So, we somehow have to allocate some level of funding at least, whether it be the down payment or the full amount. I think we have to say we have to make a commitment to a figure of some some level.

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I agree we should wait to see what the third looks like. But, we what we have to be willing to say we want this again for 2027. On July 3rd before we know the outcome of this whole event. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I do have a little bit

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of a fear. July 3rd is on a Friday this year. >> And also the city new uh new Prague is also doing their fireworks on July 3rd. >> I'm not really super concerned about the area because it's a big area and we're closer to Northfield. >> Northfield cancelled

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>> Oh, oh, I saw that. >> Yeah, Northfield eliminated the fireworks from their budget. So, we are all over Northfield happenings about couple miles down for fireworks. I I'm not going to lie though, with it being a Friday, next year being a Saturday,

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that's [clears throat] a real concern because there's a lot of people that have cabins. There's a lot of people that go out of town. >> But, there's a lot of people who don't >> we I think we hit this so incredibly early in promoting that uh you know, that's

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I'm optimistic. >> Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm cautiously optimistic. I will say that, but I mean, I think our real true test is 2 years away, when it's on a Sunday, when people aren't going to the cabin for the long weekend, you know? That's going to be our true how many people

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from town are there for it. I mean, or I mean, next year it could be a test to say it was so great that everybody stayed home. >> Mhm. >> You know, this year I don't know. It's going to be tough because people knew long before I mean, people knew last year before we even started

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talking about fireworks July 4th, 250th, it's on a Friday. >> Saturday. >> What? Or on a Saturday, but everybody gets the third off. That's the observed holiday. >> Mhm. >> I'm getting the heck out of town. I'm going to take advantage of the long weekend. I mean, there's people that go

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the whole week to the cabin and stuff like that. So, I am going to say this. >> I hear what you're saying. >> No. >> But, there's so many people that go and have bought in so many fireworks >> in town for a 4th of July fireworks show in town.

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>> And a lot of people stay in town just for that because they're all friends with them and everything. >> Yeah. >> Well, the other fear >> Last year >> fear is they're going to save them up and they're going to shoot them off for the rest of July and August because I've been already hearing the complaints. >> That's why we did July 3rd, so they had

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they still have July 4th. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> But >> As long as they shoot them off on July 4th. >> [laughter] >> But, what I'm what I'm stating though is last year I could not tell you how many people came up to me and asked me, "So, is next year the year we're going to have fireworks?" And I

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>> Oh yeah. No, and I >> And I couldn't say yes and I couldn't say no, but I said, "You know, we're going to find out soon." And and uh you know, it'll be exciting, but I >> Well, I'm I'm all for it and I hope it's it's it's and I hope that I am >> based on the feedback based on that

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feedback of what happens on July 3rd I I really truly think that that will dictate if we budget if if it's a budgeted expense and um But, I still think it should, you know. >> I mean, I think frankly >> Try it twice. >> whether it's 20% of town or

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300% of the population wants to let's say they're watching the fireworks. I think a $20,000 investment in fireworks is something that the community would get behind. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> I mean, it's less than a dollar per person. >> So, I I can see an argument to say we

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want a budget for fireworks. That's the city's commitment. >> Yep. >> Where we get to a bigger discussion is let a non-government entity take over those things because of the flexibility in

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fundraising and spending of the money that we can't do as a city. Which we've we've learned. I mean this was a very good thing to do having the committee focus on what it did because we learned a lot. >> Mhm. >> So, we know now what we can and can't do

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for the most part. I'm sure there's stuff we don't know, but the biggest thing in my mind is we have to figure out some allocation of funding for >> Next. >> the reserve to to to make sure we have

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them for next year. >> And um Corey from Respyre didn't we didn't even have to put down a down payment until November, right? I think it was November. >> Last November? >> Yeah. >> Uh I think it was February.

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>> Or February. It was like somewhere it wasn't like >> Mhm. >> We committed to the date with them and then he had a lot of communication with you guys and so that's a good thing. >> Well, it's not even fundraising. It's the open meeting law. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. You know, it's things like that.

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>> That's true. >> So, we'll bring back this conversation at our not next meeting but the meeting after the event. I feel like >> budget meeting, which will be after July 4th. >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh Jamie, you got anything else?

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>> [laughter] >> Even if we turn it over, we could always budget how much the city's going to contribute towards the fireworks. And if they go above what we contribute in donations, they just keep it in the funds [clears throat] for the following year.

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And what are we doing with the recycling check that we get? >> Uh it's just staying in that fund. >> So it's just sitting there and we're not even using it. >> Um well, I believe we budgeted a an amount in in the same

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expense. But nothing's been nothing has um come out of that I'm aware of. >> All right. >> [clears throat] >> Could we contribute a portion of that towards Founders Day? >> You also can do what you want.

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>> That would also encourage our citizens in town to recycle more because that's where that money comes from. >> It's just hard that we don't have the cardboard bin. >> Don't open that. >> I know, but that's what people have said to me when I say stuff. Then I'm like

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>> But we never got any of that money. >> Oh, we didn't? >> No, that we gave it away. That went to the organizations. >> Oh, that's true. Never mind. >> But don't remind me it's $600 a year just for cardboard. >> All right, Scott. Um

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Yeah, I mean good conversation on this. Having been the I was on the chamber board with we did the original fish fry. Uh I can tell you right away it was a huge hit. Um we had enough money to go into next year. You know, and whatever. It does

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dwindle. It got to the point where we that's that's why we stopped because it was a ton of work with minimal return. Um that's why the fish fry stopped and uh and then it boiled down to that the fireworks the company that was doing it

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was no longer going to do it. So, you know, speaking from experience, yes, it you know, we had a great great showing of support this time around. It does It does dwindle, you know, and it's not for lack of trying.

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It's just human nature, if you will. So, yeah, if you want it to be sustainable, we have to figure out a a long-term and not just uh uh donations alone. >> Mhm. >> So, that's all I have. >> All right, who wants to take uh 3-R

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Landmark School, Joel? Or Joel? >> Which Which one? >> Team it up, I think. >> I'll I'll just start. >> Yeah, so basically any expenses right now have come out of uh the city hall. So, I'm not sure, you know, if we

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establish a separate fund for the 3-R Landmark School. Um you know, we're working on getting some prices on options for you know, the the exterior, whether it's painting, residing. Um you know, reside with new some sections

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of the old siding will need to be replaced regardless. But, there is a clear contrast between what was replaced and what hasn't been. I think it looks tacky, personally. But, obviously money money talks. >> Is that on the historic register?

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>> Yes. >> Mhm. So, we've got [clears throat] some restrictions or requirements on >> My understanding is the only time you have to comply with those is when you get federal grant funding. >> Okay. >> So, obviously the

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um the exterior siding is the the biggest thing. You got some ADA things that should be be addressed with the whether it's the front steps, um, the rise or um, certainly coming up with redoing or getting a different um,

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ramp on the the backside or the the west side. And we've got that um, slide that probably needs to be be looked at. And then, um, on the interior excuse me, public works, um, worked to remove and

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paint over the the mold in the basement. Um, you know, there are some uh, taping and mudding that needs to needs to be redone. Painting, um, blinds, regularly cleaning and then content. We got the bell, the cupola, the flag,

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signage. And we want to establish a policy on what we will accept as donations, how long we'll have them. You know, and then, as been talked earlier throughout the meeting, partnerships and even in this case with the historical society.

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Whether it's a transfer of ownership, just conducting more events there and displays. >> If we transferred ownership to them, would we sell it or >> It's just the topic of of discussion. I doubt that they have

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I'm not going to speak their funds cuz I don't know, but >> It'd probably be a dollar >> that they have funds to purchase it from us. >> Or if they would even have have interest in it cuz it would be an it'd be an additional >> expense. >> yeah, liability. >> Mhm.

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>> That needs work. >> Mhm. >> Joel, is there anything else you want to add? >> Joel hit it pretty good. Just the guys have been working hard, they're getting things in. Um, depending on like the biggest justification for me

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would be the amount of the events that are held there. >> Mhm. >> Um but if there are going to if that's the plan, um you know, once you start, you can't stop type of a thing when you start with the improvements, so.

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>> Mhm. Cuz right now it's open during community day for a few hours, right? >> I believe so. >> It's community days and if they reach out to my dad, he usually will give a tour. He prefers some notice versus just

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showing up, "Hey, can I come look at the school?" because he does have to work his day around it and it does not get cleaned unless he goes up there and cleans it. So, he does do it and as far as the donations, um and when somebody old dies

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in town, their family goes and cleans their house and if it says anything related to Lonsdale, it automatically gets donated to the old school, whether it's old paperwork, pictures. There's a lot of state bank, Lonsdale stuff, there's various businesses

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through all the 120 years of Lonsdale show up and they get there, um he's got the city picture from the '70s that Joel, did you bring that up to city hall yet? >> Uh no, not with the event going on in a

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couple weeks. >> Cuz that would be some of that stuff could come up to city hall and get displayed cuz there's a lot of cool pictures. >> Mhm. >> We got a whole new cabinet to put stuff in. It's really cool. It looks nice, by the way. >> Yeah, I like it.

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>> Over the years, they got the petition to incorporate Lonsdale from the second mayor's family. He had possession of that for until the '90s. >> I put a flag up there yesterday. >> Nice.

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>> Nice. >> But one thing to note, um up until recently, three out of Landmark was paying the electricity and the gas on the school out of their funds until they just ran out of money and that was

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mainly because with COVID and all that the fundraising opportunities disappeared along with the memberships age and willingness to go out and solicit donations. >> Mhm. >> I remember when that happened. We had applied for a facade grant.

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>> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I mean Of course you could, but you missed you missed the deadline, so >> Well, for next year. >> You could you could apply for a revolving loan. >> [laughter] >> Before the interest goes up. >> Yeah, do it now.

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>> Do it now while it's still 2%. Um I just did a quick search here and it looks like the Minnesota Historical Society provides grants on a quarterly basis up to 20 grand. And then anything over 20 grand, those are on an annual cycle, so those might be

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>> Is that matching or >> I This just just a quick search. I can do some more digging. Um They're pretty generous with stuff like I mean, the Minnesota Historical Society bought the Glensheen Mansion to make sure that the tours stayed open there.

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Now, granted >> Uh >> this isn't the Glensheen Mansion, but >> [laughter] >> but >> Well, >> to put it in put put the put things in perspective, I mean, the Minnesota Historical Society is pretty good about

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trying to make sure Minnesota historical stuff gets preserved as much as possible. Um And it's a it's a small finite amount of things that they'll fund, right? And this is a perfect thing to to look at

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going for one of their grants. Um >> I think to Joel's point though, Brian, for that grant opportunity and that's what we'll have to decide. $20,000 >> state state. That's not a federal. This isn't a federal grant. >> Federal, if their requirements are to

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>> Right. I mean, like for like >> That's the type of thing, you know, $20,000 probably doesn't go as far as it does if we put a hardy board siding on it, you know, we have to kind of decide how we want to >> I I we went through this with the scout location up near the airport. Um they

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had rotten windows and when we went to replace the windows, they said we couldn't use regular windows. We had to have custom windows made uh so >> Who Who Who's that? That's the >> the uh uh historic register the fed Right, but but we but we we weren't

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receiving any federal funding on it either. >> Mhm. They they said if it's on if it's on our historical register, there when you make there were structural things that took place. They had they had to be period specific. So, we couldn't update the windows with new design. They had to be the they had to match the original design.

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>> And that could be. I mean, I don't know. I'm just I'm just throwing it out here that Minnesota Historical Society has grants. They have it looks like quarterly basis grants. So, I mean, we might not have to do everything through that, but

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20 grand can go a long way on some stuff. Um and if it has to be historical for that 20 grand thing, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't know. This is just a quick Google search. Does the Minnesota Historical Society have any grants for municipalities? The

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answer is yes. Directly to municipalities for historic preservation and cultural heritage projects. So, I do have a contractor that came out and took a look, gave us some measurements, um looking at

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um the exterior only as far as restoring with like siding and restoring with modern siding. Um there's just so many things. The window trims, the jams, the crown

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moldings, the casings, they're all custom handmade things that are really cool, so hopefully those prices are here soon. >> I guess the question is for this particular meeting

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from a budgetary standpoint do we establish a fund? Do we establish a budget for it? I mean, I think [clears throat] that's the main question here, not exactly what we're going to do. Um and I think it's it's the same problem we had

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when we're talking to the departments, right? If we establish a budget how do we determine what that number is? And this is one where we can't kick it back to an advisory board. Um you know, there's a lot of stuff on here

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and I can't imagine that we have an appetite to do all this stuff in a single year. But do we want to establish a budget? And if so, what is that number? >> Is like TCU using it as like a an

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educational like field trip at all ever? >> It's open 3 hours on community days and as needed. >> Okay. How often Jamie would you say, if you had to guess, like throughout the year? >> It really varies. Um

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up until recently one of the students was still alive. Um, it's just hey, my grandma went there. Can I see inside of it? Or I went there and they didn't go up there, but do I know when he goes up there? No,

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because he just leaves and >> [laughter] >> comes back. >> I tell you where I'm going. >> So, you might have three scheduled and three randoms. Three three scheduled hours on community day, maybe three randoms a year. >> Mhm. >> So, not very much. >> Not very much.

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>> What What do we pay for heat and electric? Do you have a I'm sorry to put you on the spot. >> Let's bring that back then. Let's start there. >> the minimum probably charged. >> Yeah, let's maybe start there like, okay, what are our costs? What did we pay this year

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for this? >> I don't think the heat ever gets turned on. I don't think I think the lights maybe, that's it. >> Mhm. >> Lights and then I think it might be bare minimum for the heat, so none of the stuff freezes in the basement. So, like 40°, maybe 50.

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>> That's gas. >> We've winterized it >> [clears throat] >> every year that I've >> [cough] >> been here. >> And then there is a bathroom in there. Yeah, does that get like the water turned on and people actually use it or is it like a >> the water on every year for community

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days and winterize it and blow it out every year. >> And that's probably part of the problem. >> Mhm. >> It's just a >> Not used. >> Seasonal, there's moisture then it freezes. I mean you know, you keep it at 60° year round

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or something. >> Mhm. >> A lot of the electrical usage was not from the lights, it was from the dehumidifier in the basement. >> Mhm. >> Which did go off and no one been up there and then that's where we got the mold issue from. >> Mhm.

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>> Yeah, I think Wait, we to start with what are our >> the bare >> our fixed costs, right? Not not just we need to paint it, we need new siding, we need new windows, but like ongoing fixed costs. We got to start

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there because [clears throat] I think there should be a separate fund for this. I mean, for tracking reasons if nothing else. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Um but we got to start with something. Um you know, what is it costing us to do the bare minimum? I think is what I'd

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like to know. >> I >> From there, we can start to pick off maybe some of these projects. >> When was the last time it was painted? >> I'd have to go back and look. 10 years >> 2018.

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>> We had talked about it a couple Well, back when we were in the old city hall, we had a conversation about getting quotes out of painting and they came in pretty high and it never happened, right? >> Correct. >> Correct. Scott and I were talking about it at lunch and he found a article about I can't

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say that that means that that's when it was painted, but in my time, it's been painted. >> I know it's been painted. And I know they replaced siding, but I can't remember when they did it either. >> Oh. I I remember it cuz it was uh

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Nick Slaughter that painted it. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. And that was right kind of when he was starting out. >> Yes, so it had to be It was before the recon. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was 15 years ago. >> I don't have the

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minute book. >> I don't I don't think we need to get this deep in the weeds on this, but I think we should have a conversation. >> We we we should baseline it and go from there. >> I I I think we should have a fund for it. I think we should establish some sort of a budget.

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>> But we should know what our ongoing costs are for a starting point and then decide on a number from there. I would like to think on this personally. >> Mhm. >> And try to

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rationalize a number somehow. I got I guess I can't do it right on the spot, but I would like to think on it. >> All right. Everyone in agreement? >> Yes. >> All right. Uh City Council. >> No changes.

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>> No changes. >> Um I think the only thing potentially uh budgeting for the elected official training. I think we do that pretty much every election year.

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Um Chamber dinner, I personally will pay for my own. >> I paid for my own. >> I paid for mine. >> I'll continue to pay for my own. And I feel like the elected official one, like if it's someone who has already been in,

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would they need or want to attend that or would it just be like a newly newly elected person? >> There's a newly and then there's an advanced course. >> Okay. >> And the advanced course The nice thing about the advanced training or whatever, they recommend it for >> the second term.

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>> five years, something like that. um they usually announce what the topics of discussion are going to be. So, I know for personally in the past I've looked at what those topics are and if they look like they're going to be valuable, consider. >> Mhm.

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>> I haven't seen any yet, so. Um but I think it should be budgeted for in the case that there are new elected officials cuz it's election year. There is that potential and they should I I I there's value in the

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initial training for new new electives. So, I think it should be budgeted for and if we don't use it, then we have it available for something else. Excuse me. You did it. All right. Anybody else? >> [laughter]

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>> I'm good. >> What do we have to talk about? >> Pledge party? >> Go together for >> Additional priorities of the city council to be discussed, additional items to be discussed at this meeting, any additional items, specific items information for the next

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budget meeting and uh department to be discussed at the next budget meeting are administration, planning and zoning, streets, but I feel like we already knocked on planning and zoning. >> Mhm. >> Um so, I guess is there any other

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department that council would like to talk about specifically next budget meeting? >> I feel like we need to bring back founders after the event. >> Okay. And then uh parks eventually are going to have to come back.

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>> I'm just kidding. Yeah. I know. >> I mean, I guess Joe, we had talked about it this morning, the EDA. I Did I Did we cover it tonight? I mean >> The EDA? Yes. >> So, I mean, I think

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I'm I If unless people want me to bring anything more back from EDA, I think we've covered it pretty well tonight. >> And then, uh you know, after the meeting for the Rolling Ridge Marketplace, um talk about the liquor store. Basically, a continuation cuz I really do want to talk about

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you know, items with the library. >> Mhm. >> You know, then that meeting with Rolling Ridge after Monday. Uh streets. Definitely would like to talk about streets. Um you know, everything planned or uh well, public works related.

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And then, um I do want a solid meeting for capital improvement plan. Um I think that's a big time discussion. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But, so yeah, if we could tie that park in with uh

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streets. That'd be pretty cool. Ocean View? >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> I can't think of anything else. At this time. >> I can think of a lot. >> Why can't Not for That's what I'm

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saying, for tonight. No more. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Well, um >> Not yet. Are you not ready for that? >> Not yet. Hold on. Um You know, I talked to a couple of guys on the fire department, and they've always been bringing up their gym. And uh I mean, it's a lot of them were

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bringing up the gym for the last year and a half. Um and then on the charitable side, what they did was they uh got a committee together, and then they uh wrote up a lot of the equipment that uh needs to be replaced and then,

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you know, some newer stuff. Um I have a copy of that and I can provide it. But one thing about it is they're not asking for the city to fund the whole thing. They um want to do a matching. So they went to, you know,

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27,000 28,000 dollars and then the charitable side wrote a check for 15,000. If we want to match 15,000, um and I can provide all that itemized stuff to

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um either at the next or for the next council meeting or the next budget meeting, whatever it is, but um you know, the police officers do use that as well and um so it's a good thing for the fire department to have an updated gym.

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And then maybe I can invite some of the guys over here to to talk about what they've done as far as trying to keep firefighters and police officers a little more active and healthy. >> Or we could have a field trip. >> We can do that, too. >> I think it'd be cool to see. >> Um yeah, I mean

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>> I mean I think it's fine to go there to see it, but we should reserve discussion on approval of budgetary stuff for the camera. >> Yeah, definitely. >> I'm not opposed to going to see it, but I just I think

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>> I know they had rusty equipment when I went down there and um they said that some equipment mysteriously appeared overnight one night, so I don't know where that came from, but yeah. >> Nice. Santa. >> [laughter]

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>> Yeah. But I mean it it just showed that like, hey, that they're wanting to do it. Um and they fundraised up some some massive money to to put towards it. So, and the other thing too is I don't believe that

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we should be putting that on the townships to fund either because it is our police and our fire department that directly benefit from it. >> I like the skin in the game because it's been a theme tonight. Proactively doing it is kind of nice.

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>> Yeah, so >> Shows commitment. >> All right, I'll get that information sent over and then you know add it to the agenda for the next council meeting. Sound good? >> Yeah. >> All right. Anything else? Joe, you got anything? >> I'm good. >> Ryan, you got anything?

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>> I'll save it for next week. >> All right. Corey? >> Just working hard on founders. >> Jamie? >> I'm good. >> Scott? >> I have nothing. >> Joel? >> No. >> All right, now you can make your motion. >> What about Corey? Corey do you have a >> Corey, I thought you left. >> I'm [laughter] the mayor, I'm still

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here. >> Oh, so sorry, Corey. >> not have anything to report. >> You are not a forgettable person and I promise. I just thought you had left. >> Now I will make a motion to >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> I'll second it. >> Motioned and seconded.

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Any further discussion? Corey, I apologize again. >> [laughter] >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> All opposed? All right, this meeting is now adjourned at 9: >> 13. >> 13 p.m.