Hello everyone. We'll call to order this special city council meeting today, Tuesday, July 8th, 2025. You can all please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Roll call. Brian Wmergerson here. Kyrie Miller here. Uh Tom Berg here.
Uh Jamesa is absent. Scott Palava here. All right. Thanks. Uh approval of the agenda. Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections to the agenda? Motion to approve the agenda. Motion by warmer. Second. Second by Palava. Any further
discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed? All right. Approval of the minutes. There are no minutes. There are no public hearings. Presentation of citizen petitions and comments. Comments limited to two
minutes. So, if you are not on the agenda, now is your time to speak. All right. There are no items on the consent consent agenda. There is no old business. On the new business, discuss
the city's preliminary 2026 budget and property tax levy. Joel Eric. All right. Thank you, mayor, and members of the council. Uh this is our third meeting on the preliminary 2026 budget
and property tax levy. Um the past couple meetings we've went over priorities of or water sewer. We've went over um those departments, the um long-term planning for those as well. Um
tonight proposing to go over the council debt service, our 26 fee schedule, start discussions on that uh road and bridge and then uh any other items that you guys uh feel are necessary to discuss.
All right, bear with me here. I got to this down. Um, so I guess um getting started um the the city council thought I included the um the line item
budget for for that. But basically in the um city council line items uh pretty limited. We've got wages which are based off of city code 33.08.
Uh any changes would need to be approved prior to the November 26 uh city election and they would take effect uh January 1st of of 27. I did propose increasing office supplies to account for any repairs to our uh
audio video system. And then I wanted to have some discussion on any desired training that that you guys would like to attend. I know um all of you attended the recently or newly elected officials conference put on by the League of
Minnesota Cities. Um just throwing it out there to see if anyone wants to go to that conference again. Um maybe not the recently, but I think they have like an experienced one which maybe dives a little more in depth into you know
activities and roles responsibilities of the council. Uh the league annual conference is always in the the end of June. We always attend the chambers annual dinner and then uh I guess any other disc or I'm sorry any other trainings
that you guys would like to attend if you guys want to have any discussion on that. Does everybody agree with the wages that are proposed right now to continue 2026? Are you talking to mayor and city
council wages? Yep. Mayor and city council. That that was that was adjusted back uh just a couple years ago. We we looked at uh Thank you, Joe. similar correct similar cities and uh that that's where
that that came from. So there there was an increase I say two years ago. I'm okay with it. Ryan, I see no need to increase that at all. Hey Curry, I don't see any need to increase it either.
Okay. Um let's go ahead and discuss the training to attend by the city council. um whether it may be an additional training or LMC. I think we all kind of agree that we should be at the uh
chamber annual there, but if anybody has anything else they want to bring up, right, I'll kick it off with you. Is there anything? No, the hard part about the League of Minnesota City's trainings is for the experience class, I think
they usually say three three plus years is kind of their their number that they put out for that not new member training. Um, but they kind of mix it up as far as the topics that they cover and they don't put that out super far in advance. So, it's hard to
say if it's going to be useful or not. Um, personally, I think we can, well, I personally don't feel the need to attend the trainings next year. Um, you know, I think see what they come out with. They I
think they kind of rotate the the topics. They kind of kind of have a round robin, but kind see what topics they put out. I don't I don't think there's anything coming down from the state. I mean, cannabis we've already addressed, and that'll be the big one coming down from the state. So, I don't I don't see anything
That would be pressing to say we really need to spend some money on additional What about the chamber annual dinner? Yeah, I think we should attend that. I think it's it's a good opportunity to uh spend time with the business owners in
the area. Um it's always it's always a good place for us to be. Um I agree about the uh annual conference. It was nice to go as a newly effect elected official, but um I don't know the value of it going forward once
you get your feet wet and you know the resources and how to reach out to the certain people with the LMC. Um I don't know if it's something we have to attend on an annual basis. Uh like Brian said, maybe if there comes something that's very
important for us to attend or network, we could look at it, but I don't feel like there's a definite need. the chamber dinner. Um, I do think it's important to attend. I enjoyed attending, but I wouldn't mind paying for it out of my own pocket. I know that's probably unpopular opinion, but
um, I don't know. I'm fine with it. Okay, Scott. Um, as to the annual conference, um, over the years I've been there on and off just depending on what the subject matter was. Um the one thing
for me that I did find uh helpful was they had not just specific topics but a couple times they had uh kind of roundroin uh table discussions which were were good um when there was uh uh I don't want to say hot button issues but
you know it was good to talk to other cities and uh you could bounce things off of each other and so I I don't want to totally write that off but um the other thing is where the location is if it's some if it's local then we uh don't necessarily have to deal with lodging and whatnot. I don't know the location
for 2026. It rotates around duth Rochester and the cities. Yeah. The last few few years it's been in duth. So I would assume it's probably they're going to do you're talking about the annual conference, right? Not the trainings. Correct. Yeah. The conference they Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know the trainings they do multiple in different regions. Yeah. But uh but I I thought the conference had moved around. It was, you know, was rotating kind of a three different locations, but I I don't remember. It had in the past. Rochester, St.
Cloud, and Duth. Okay. All right. Um, so, um, yeah, I don't want to say no to it because there definitely could be something that could come up and be worthwhile, but at the same time, I'm I'm not super enthusiastic about
budgeting for it if it's not going to be necessary. Uh, chamber dinner. Um, I I don't care. I'm there either way. So, you know, it's uh I know that the uh the EDA uh typically has been in uh their take their meals have been covered
and uh some of the other city departments also. So, um uh I'm I'm good with it from a standpoint of it's a it's somewhat of a thank you to those those departments also uh that enjoy a meal um at least
once a year. Well, the EDA's tickets comes out of the EDA budget though, right? Correct. Yes. Yes. I'm just saying for E, you know, from the standpoint of um uh you know, if all all the departments were were represented,
they would be getting it from there. That's all. So, with the chamber annual dinner, Joel, is it just for council or is this for more? So, I mean, if Brian and Scott are both on the EDA, it would
essentially be Jamie Curry and myself. Correct. Yep. Yeah. I try to try to break it out, you know, to to who's on what board. When you attend too, right, Joe, didn't you attend last year?
Yep. We are chamber members as a city, right? Or is it just the uh Well, it's the city. um kind of like as a a chamber member, honorary member. Technically, the city can't pay a
membership to the chamber because of our lobbying. I don't know exactly the specifics, but but we we provide way more than what our membership fee would be in in services in lie of.
Right. Yeah. I'm definitely not opposed to myself. Um, I would like to hear kind of what Jamie has to say, too. Um, but, uh, you know, the annual conference is nice when you're a newly elected
official. U, there's more that I wish we had talked about. Um, so I I don't mind missing out next year's LMC annual conference. Um, so, okay, I would like to follow up with
the chamber dinner. uh with Jamie Joel if you don't mind. But I think that' be the only other item for that. Okay. Um the other item is uh increased office
supplies to account for repairs to the AV system. Uh Krie, I'll let you hit this one out first. Do we has this been functioning? Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, Yep. It was not the It was not the equipment. There was interference.
All right. Interference. No. Um I just I don't know that we need to um I think it'd be good to start budgeting a little bit for upgrades as needed. But if this is working for now, I don't want to spend more money that we
don't have to. But planning because technology advances so quickly and things fall apart and become obsolete so quickly. So, I do think we should have a little bit um of a cushion budgeted in, but not the full cost right now, I don't think.
Oh, no. No. A repairs of maintenance going to be like the microphone doesn't work on this one. Okay. Um so, we're we're using the bass. Um speakers for the top. Yep. They're they're on order. So, um we've had this system for a few years
now, right? Uh we've had this system for I would say at least probably 10 years. Um the microphones are are newer three four years old maybe. So they have like kind of a lifeline of three to five years.
Yeah, I would say so. And mainly it's just parts like I said you know to have the the neck for the the microphone. Yeah. So I guess and then all the other office supplies were sitting okay with like copy machines, printers. Yeah, this is strictly just for you
guys. Okay. So basically what you see in this room, right? What it costs to operate or you know um items for for council meetings. Okay. I'm fine with it as long as we just are looking ahead. The upgrade is Yep. I know there's talk in the past
about um when we stream having the ability to show on the screen or I shouldn't say on the screen but on the live stream um if we're looking at the audit or the proposed seal code here I'm sorry um uh milling overlays this year
the GSB88 um you know that could be done as as you know with something simple as a Zoom membership for probably less than 500 bucks a Would we consider getting a second TV for this
area too because then we have one to look at what is being presented to the audience as well or would we just continue? Yeah. I mean basic we're just using it tonight because we haven't really used it. Yeah. Um but you know my thought was is this is for the for the audience and then whatever is being presented should be in
the city council's packets as far as so you guys can review it ahead of time and Perfect. That's all. Okay. Um, yeah, as far as uh the equipment, yeah, there's no nothing wrong with uh
ear marking a little bit just like we do with any of our other um equipment for any other, you know, high expenditure items. So you know if we figure out uh we want to keep planning for you know something in the next three years
out that way or um what was the other item? Sorry. Um just for uh office supplies. Office supplies. Yeah. So yeah the AV stuff. Yeah. It's not going to last forever but it is working right now.
plan to have a uh a backup in the future. Yeah. I mean, I think everybody kind of touched on what I was thinking. Um, yeah. Yeah, I mean again at some point it sounds like we're doing some upgrades already. Add some speakers in here and
just little things here and there, but I think you know don't spend money if we don't have to. So when we do the speakers, is this something that you're going to do already or is it something that we need
to budget for next year? Uh, I'm using the the the city hall project funds to um to get this done. Additional 100. Correct. Okay. Correct. And are we still under budget then? As far as I know. Yep.
Yep. Yeah. My main concern was microphones, speakers for out there. I know that the previous city hall as somebody was sitting towards the back they couldn't hear uh really well. Uh
looks like the camera's been working fine. So um yeah, think we can go ahead and move forward with the next item we have. Uh just as a recap just the property tax
levy. Um, I'll probably show this at at every meeting or at least include it in the packet just so everyone has it for every meeting. But, uh, based off previous discussions, um, it was keep the tax rate the same. So, that generates I got a
the screen does not uh, it absorbs the the red pointer. So, um maybe I can do it on here, but basically it, uh provides an additional $153,000 in property tax funding. Um so, a house
that's valued at what 267,000. Um their city portion is going up about $32. You can see it going down the list. Uh 383 384 going up 100 bucks. Uh a little over 500, about 160. um you know, anything
over that half a million mark is 160 to to 180. And then how it affects our businesses, excuse me. Um the ones that we track increase of $165 per year. Uh another
one was $42627 a year. And then um the the last one is essentially a push going down six cents. So, I wanted to go through that. I don't know if anyone has any questions
on that. It's pretty straightforward and been talked about at every meeting. So, that was a that was an annual number, not a monthly. Correct. Annual. Yes. Yep. You got anything you want to add? Yeah. And those increases are just based
on the uh estimated value increases, right? Correct. Yeah. So, so that's riding the valuation. Yeah. It's based on the valuation from the county. The property values went up. So, it's not an increase from a tax
perspective. It's an increase based on valuation. Correct. Just to clarify that for the record. You got anything? No, I was just going to say the same thing. All right. Uh as far as debt service, uh I have got
that done in the budget and uh updated calculated uh assessments um what our and then I projected out the fund balances for all of our debt service funds uh from basically 123124
anticipated revenues um necessary principal and interest payments and what it'll be at the end of this year and then whatever that fund excuse me whatever that fund balance was uh divided it by the number of years uh remaining on the debt service for the respective fund
and basically um why there's a surplus in those funds is because people prepaid their assessments. Um so basically what we would be doing is is um levying unnecessary funds um in our
property tax levy to pay for our debt service which which isn't needed. So, um, our overall debt service payments, uh, from that are at least supported by the
property tax levy, uh, about $942,000. Um, that does account for the the city hall project, which will make uh well, we escroed the funds, the payments for this year. Um we have two interest payments of about totaling about 160,26
and then our first principal payment is in uh 27 for for this project. Um you know whatever is left over from from the project funds would be uh transferred to the debt service fund and then um any
proceeds from the sale of the old city hall would be dedicated to this project as well. So, um, depending on what that is, like I said, I'm we should be able to get $300,000 for for that building. The county has it valued at way more than that. So, I think I'm being pretty
conservative on on on what we can get for it. Um, and then we'll just have to look at, you know, how much we want to, you know, dip into those reserves every year. If it's, you know, say we have $400,000 and, you know, is it 100,000 a
year? Is it 50 for eight years? Um, you know, I guess I guess my recommendation would be certainly for next year not not to do anything because our debt service and that fund is going to increase 100 grand in in 27. So that probably be the first year that we wanted to or would
recommend um dipping into reserves to offset some of the property tax levy funding required. Uh and as we said before, the next debt service to get paid off is our what were our 2012 bonds, which were the uh second
and third avenue Northwest uh street utility reconstruction project. That's 28, right? 2028. Uh that that'll be the first year that we don't have a payment. Correct. Yeah, I believe the last payment's in in 27
13 to 27 or maybe maybe No, that was 2012 we did that project. So 12 to 17 or 27 um through the debt service or I'm sorry not the debt service through our fee schedule in there to at least start the
discussion on on that so we can uh get a recommendation from the council on that and uh anything that we need to any revenues we need to base our uh or any revenues that are based off of our fee schedule can be accounted for during the
budget process. So, um not sure if you guys have any questions or or thoughts on that. Um, you know, I mean, really going going through our fees, um, you know, it it really gets to
the point of, you know, how how high I mean, really, they should be just to cover the cost of our, uh, expenses and, you know, for example, the cost of issuing that permit and dealing with, let's say, compliance checks and and things like that. Um, but you know, when
we talk development and the cost of construction and materials and and all that stuff, um, I'll be honest, we haven't even considered increasing our uh, development fees uh, in in 20 years.
So, um, not sure if that's something that that we want to take a look at. Maybe not necessarily all of them, but if we are going to be looking at um you know a water tower, improvements to our wastewater treatment plant, um you know,
should you know, should the the new residents uh pay for those on their building permit, you know, and then obviously to to some extent would be, you know, residents through just through our monthly util, you know, rates and and our in our usage. So, um, I guess I turn
it over to you guys for for discussion to see what you guys' thoughts are and go from there. I guess what I'm more interested in is kind of the fees towards residents that
come in quite a bit. Um, so it be the miscellaneous um fees and permits. You know, I guess I would like to understand sure how we came up with some of these costs. You know, like a kind of license, $100 or
and I'm assuming we're going to have the chicken license on here too, right? Uh correct. Yep. And uh the community development planner did provide me some of that information and in the staff report, any ordinance that we've adopted this year, uh cannabis, chickens. Okay.
Um I thought there was was one other as well. Adopt a bench um went up also. Correct. Yep. That was talked about at the park board. I think I have it here someplace. So,
Oh, absolutely. Um, you know, just you know, a tobacco license. Honestly, I don't think that that's ever been raised in in in 20 years. Yeah. Um, now I had that one circled. You know, we do have our cannabonoid
product. uh dog registration. I It's been years probably since that's been been increased as well. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but city hall doesn't do the dog registration license anymore.
That is correct. Yep. Um, so basically what it was was, uh, there was a lot of back and forth, not only on dog licenses, but also peddlers license. They'd come to city hall, then
we'd have to send them to the PD to get the background, and then the only reason they ended up coming back to city hall was to process payment uh, and get the actual badge that that we provide now. So, I guess we just thought it would be
more streamlined if PD does the majority of the work on the background that they just get the application there, complete the background, it gets done, the PD calls them, yep, you're good to go. Here's your fee. Does the PD have ways to process all types of payments?
Um, no, they don't. And I've actually talked to the chief about that and um in the time being, I said cash or check. Uh, I went to get my tabs at Lua County. Cash or check ATM down the hall. Next. Um, so there there are ways for people
to to make a payment. Um, and you know, that was a conversation that, um, that we had today, uh, at least here at city hall is, you know, maybe they got to get a credit card processor, a machine up there.
Yeah. I I don't see why cash or check is is not sufficient enough. I mean, Lur Countyy's doing way more transactions than we are uh pedler's license and and dog licenses.
So, I guess my question is is when did you guys make the change? Was it before we hired Kelly or while we had Kelly? Uh that this year. before Kelly. So, is this something that
Kelly could do and then send an email offer a background check and then the PE like Candace send an email back with a copy of it just so then that way it's at one central location or um the
I would suggest going to this if paid at city hall $20 and I I would highlight that it's at the police station because I means Sounds like we just want people to show up at one place and get a die at one place.
Correct. I mean, right now they're going to two different places and the only reason they're coming to city hall is what to to submit their application because everything's online and then they'd have to deal with the PD. Just as a resident to me, it would be confusing like where am I going? And I
would come here too and then to be sent over to the PD and then back and forth. It seems like we need to have it better outlined as to where people need to go and then yeah, I don't know. I just because I've been talking to Candace about this as well. So, just trying to
streamline it so that it's not so confusing for the residents also. I I guess the where do you guys want us to process them at? Well, if they need a background check, I don't see why the PD can't do it. So, if they need a background check,
then the PD makes sense. But if it's not something that they need a background check, then should that be city hall? But that's the point of the dog registration license and the solicitor's license being they need a background check or a dog license.
Um, not a dog license. No. um they um you know so then we have to create we create a spreadsheet and provide to the police department um on who got a dog license the number when they could just house everything. They're the ones that
deal with the loose dogs. City hall doesn't unless you get suckered into taking one home. Um, you know, they also process golf cart um licenses as well. So, it's it's not anything that's new. And they've been able to take those payments for
three years now. You guys have done golf cart licenses and and the payment has never been an issue or how they make a payment has never been an issue until now. So, the one thing that I do want to bring up is if we do
um squad games, body games, and that is a lot of hours to edit video and it kind of brings in, do we add additional staffing to that secretary position to do that? I mean, it's going
to shape this whole thing up a little bit more. if we agreed to swing some of the stuff towards city hall or towards the PD from city hall uh before Kelly doing I mean my question is is how do we free up some time especially if it seems like we're
staffing city hall that's all I'm coming off as Yep and I plan on having that conversation with with the chief because it's my understanding that there's concerns of workload and things
like at uh over at the PD. So, as long as we stay ahead of it. So, um but yeah, I mean, whoever we decide whether it's the police station or city hall, that that would have to be changed if paid at city hall. The other thing
that I I do kind of look at too is how many people actually have their dogs registered with a license, you know? a fraction, right? So, I mean, I don't really think changing $20 on that is really going to,
you know, help in that argument. So, unless they get it pounded impounded, right? So, they have to get a license, right? And and that's and that's why it's more at the PD because it's after hours and it was, you know, caught and impounded.
Yeah. And and that's been that way for years. I mean, that's been that way for for years. Yeah. None of these fees are are going to like, woohoo, it's the savior. Yeah,
I know. I I hear you. I just I'm curious because, you know, it's It's a lot of dollars that's on it. And you know, if there's something that I'm kind of confused on, so say a kennel's license being $100. I mean, how is it that
these are non-budgeted items? That's what I see. nonbudgeted items, but at the same pace, it's like, okay, we're gonna have these people that A don't even want to look this up, b see the price and don't want to pay the price,
and then c you have a small percentage of people that see it and then pay the price. But, uh, I I guess that's kind of where I'm trying to sort things out at is what is almost too much for, you know, fees. Um,
you know, the kennel license is kind of one. It's I think it's three dogs and then you have to get a kennel license. Is that what it is? Uh, I believe so. And and that's processed those have been processed at the PD. Sure. For years.
But is the $100 just staff time alone or, you know, can we can we break it down a little bit more than just u understanding that it's $100? Yeah, you guys can set the fee at at what you want as long as it, you know,
like I said earlier, in theory, it's fee should, you know, cover the cost, the the city expenses, right? And and I see that staff time is on here, too, which I'm assuming is going to change with the compensation side. Correct. Yep.
Or did you already change out this? No, you didn't. No, this is Yeah, this is the current one. I I didn't make any changes. Okay. may do. Okay. So, staff with the background.
Okay. Do we run a background check on tobacco licenses? Yes. So that fee of a hundred bucks is that does that cover the cost because I know there's been kind of a
discussion around that and the canvoid those are the two I mean the liquor license I think that's we're fine there but I know this we kind of we we kind of dipped our toe in this conversation last year when we were talking about cannibid is that a realistic number to cover costs?
No. No. What would be a realistic number? Well, you've got the time that that the PD has involved in records checks. Uh you've got staff time sending out the
the notices. Uh you know, obtaining them, following up, making sure they get them to us. Um you have staff report time, bringing to the council. Um, so I think $300 is is probably what it would take.
How does that at a minimum? How does how does ours compare to other cities? Have we looked at that? Uh, I haven't. And quite frankly, um, you know, everyone's got different different expenses and costs and and how
they come up with it. And I mean, we have people, you know, at $100 is too much. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not now, are we separating cab from cigarette license? Well, I'm just saying 100 bucks is 100 bucks. Doesn't matter what license it is.
They're both 100 bucks. And it's both basically the same process for for each. I mean, you know, if we're running the same background check for tobacco canoid, that's why I kind of throw it out there. But, you know, I'm not looking to increase fees. because I don't want to increase these. But one of the things,
especially with the cannibid, I think we may want to split that out into two separate line items for the next fee schedule now that we have a cannabis ordinance. And you know, who knows when we're going to start seeing applications. I I mean,
I don't know. I heard the state was doing another lottery run next week or this week, something like that. So, I don't know. I mean, they're starting to finally get licenses out. So, you know, and and we're going to have to redo our license in October, I believe,
for the liquor store. Correct. So, I think we may want to split this out to cannabonoid product application for primary, like that's your only product versus the liquor store and, you know,
smoke and rail 19 where it's a subsidiary product. It's not their only product because the last thing if we want to start talking about, okay, maybe we need a higher fee for a cannabonoid license. I don't want to stick it to the bars that are already paying $2,200 for a
liquor license to also have a cannabonoid license on top of that. You know, I'm okay with all right because we're already running the background check. So, are you bringing up the same thing that you brought up earlier this year, Brian? What's that? Uh to the system.
Well, I mean, I think in in terms of the cannabonoid, I think it's something that we should definitely be thinking about, maybe have a conversation about. If your primary and only product is cannabis products, it's a different situation than if you're selling other
products that also require the background check, like a liquor license, on sale or off sale, because they're already a higher fee. And the background check is the background check. It's gonna be the same background check for liquor and cannabonoid. So, we're kind of double dipping there.
So, that's that's just what I'm thinking about. It's like, okay, do we do we I I don't think we can legally roll it into just say, okay, we already paid a liquor license. Go ahead and sell cannabis products. I don't think we can do that. Um, but I don't want to also say, hey, you
know, we got to raise it because we're not covering our cost when actually we will be because they're already you're doing it through the liquor license. Does that make sense? Yep. So, regardless of the type or amount of product that you sell, the staff time is the the city has the same
expense. So, right. But, but like I'm saying, if if so then what we could do then is possibly change the license period to coincide with liquor licenses. That's what I was going to ask because that would make sense. a background
check probably by statute is has to meet a certain you know certain date you can't go go back six months right can't be that far offset I mean that would make sense because if if they're I mean you know even for
ourselves with the liquor store I mean why not do it all in one shot renew all your licenses at the same time more streamlined now is the tobacco on the same timeline as liquor No. Uh, everything runs calendar except
for liquor. Okay. This liquor is July 1st, right? Correct. And that's up by state. Uh, no, that's uh our city or city code 1101. Maybe we want to look at all of them
going at the same time because, you know, because I know we we don't sell tobacco at our liquor store anymore, but we've got 32 back and tunes. They they have a tobacco license and regular license off sale. So
something worth looking at I think. Can Joel can you cover why for conditional use application fee is 300 escro fee is 750. Yep. So we have a just a the application
fee and then the escrow is is used to account for any expenses that the city incurs um legal um advertising uh if engineering's involved. Um basically the application
fee um covers staff time. Anything above and beyond that is um the escrow uh fee is used to pay for that. Has that um has that been a a common thing where you end up going over the
application fee for conditional use? Uh I would say yes. You know, if you've got to get uh the city attorney involved or or maybe they're applying for conditional use where um like I said, engineering would would be a requirement
to to review. Yeah, I would say I would say almost every time the escrow is dipped into kind of same with all these other items. Common interest community comprehensive
plan amendment. Correct. And that's enough to cover pretty much everything, right? Uh for the most part. Uh, I know dealing with Quick Chip, we um are working with them and they just said, "Send us an invoice for for the amount that they
were over their escrow." Um, so they're like, "Send us an invoice." Okay. It's like, "Hey, do you want to deal with it at closing or do you want to uh just do it separate and be done with it?" And they chose just to be set do it separate and be done with it.
So your conditional use application fee, that's kind of like, you know, on Main Street just application fee, but for newer development, that's when you'd have your estro fee. Is am I understanding that right? Um so, so for example, right now, um
what's car wash has a conditional use permit application in front of us. Um I mean, short of advertising. I you know, I can't anticipate any other expenses that would come out of that. I mean, that's probably going to be like what less than 50 bucks and the recording fee.
Oh, and the recording fee of $46. And that would be publishing it in the paper, correct? And then sending mail direct mail to Yep. to everyone within 350 ft. And then we would have the the recording fee uh at of $46.
So maybe 150. Okay. Is there any items specifically that you personally you and Cory would like to go through maybe should go up that maybe we're getting way too much cost
suggestions of increasing? Oh, I think I'm confident in saying that. I don't think any of these fees cover our costs. like you guys said, it's finding that that that balance um of, you know, is
the city covering enough of their fe expenses versus what's the appetite of the public to to pay these and and a lot of times I think it just depends on on what the fee is. I know some people made it very clear on chickens that they
weren't going to pay any fee. Um so how many applications have we got on that? a good one that does them. Mr. Mayor, uh, at this time we've received three applications. Uh, two of them are incomplete and there's one
executed. So, uh, there's one there's only one resident in town that has chickens. Yeah. All right. Wish I could believe you, Gori. I believe you, but I don't. And the
number of licenses or over with you. Theoretically, theoretically, we have one one chicken. Okay. Are we going to have um an empoundment for chicken?
Yeah. Right. Get your chicken back. If Have you got one yet, Jason? Have you impounded a loose chicken yet? No. I'm just waiting. That's not part of the plan, right? supposed to off.
Perfect. Um, you know, there there's some fees that, um, you know, I'll be going over with, uh, the public works director, for example, of, you know, what's our true cost to setting a field up, you know? Okay. I mean, it takes at least one guy,
if not two, to, you know, move the bases, get it chocked, get it dragged, um, you know, things like that. And the soccer field, too, right? Like striking out and so the that fee is related to
I don't remember what year. I'd say five years ago, City Prior League gave us three or four pallets of chalk. Um, something that Joel and I need to discuss because we are we have four bags left.
Um if that's a service that we want to still provide or schedule and the fields are dragged and I drove by basically the city the minimum service that we provide is the soccer fields are
striped and the follow lines are painted on all of the fields. um kind of gone back and forth in the years or the coach set him up or we set him up. Um I say we've been setting them up for
like I said for 5 years now. Um seems to be good. Gets a little chaotic but that cost will definitely go up if we have the expense of buying chalk for the first time in however many years. And does uh community ed then pay if we
register for the rec you know for soccer through community ed is that figured into the cost to help strike the field and maintain the fields like the mowing and all that kind of stuff. I am not aware of any funds that come to the city from soccer.
Okay. The only ones that I know of are there's a TCU traveling summer team and there's Lonzo Little League. And those two invoices we send out at the end of every year for however many times we set up
the field. I'd say typically every year both leagues combined is probably between $1,100 and $1,400 kind of depending on how many games they have.
So, what about softball? TCU softball. We've set those up and they they have not been invoiced, which is different than the TCU summer leagues. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I'm talking about the varsity, right? Yeah.
I think there's eight games for the softball, varsity, and JB. So, is the water reconnection fee going to have to be changed? Uh we we could uh I mean you know in theory it it should you know if if uh
you know compensation's going up and equipment's getting more expensive. Um maybe that's a a bigger discussion on do we want to continue to do shut offs or or assess them periodically throughout
the year. Uh it seems like it's quite honestly it's the same people every month. I mean what are we handing out? You guys are going what 50 60 properties 60 to 70 every month. Um I agree with the city administrator that I think that operation needs to be looked at as a
whole. Um I we talked a little bit about the our new meter system where it could possibly um be shut off from city hall for repeat offender. And I, you know, I would really hope that that fee, you know, if
my water got shut off every month for three months in a row, I would hope that that reconnection fee could help the city afford the equipment to get into our future operations. Um, I would say of
that 60 to 70, um, 90% or above the same addresses every single month and it's kind of a there's a select few that Jason knows
about them. We have to have the police escort us over there because the residents are not appreciative of that notice. So I think that like Joel said that program needs to that as a
whole. I'm fine. I I'm totally fine with that. I know that uh you know you guys are talking about the next use where what were they called the shut offs that you can do remotely from
city hall. It's just it's just a feature that's added to our new I pro meters that's able to go on our uh you got me mind blanking on the It's okay.
Um yeah, I'm fine with I'm fine with having further discussion about it. I'm also fine with increasing it for the uh comparable wage study. Make sure that it's it's okay. And
uh but as far as the water usage for the $60, what was it uh 2024? Was it usually around 50? It was 50 I think. Let me switch it about four or five
years ago. Well, I believe it was a $50 base fee and then was it $5 per thousand gallons after that? Bulk water. That sounds right. So, it's really just gone up initially
$10 and then another 75 cents per,000 gallons after. Correct. And and that's essentially for contractors um that you know are doing projects in the area and need to fill up their bulk water tank for public works facility.
Correct. Water and sod for example like on our street projects and they would come and fill up at the public workshop. One thing I do want to kind of bring up is you look at all these pools around town that everyone's setting up and maybe we should consider
um adding a fee in for filling pools. Um I don't know if you guys have done that in the past if it's something that we want to kind of consider moving forward, but uh we could I want to I would recommend that the fire chief be involved in
Yeah. in in those discussions and you know I know they're you know pushing or in excess of 400 calls per year. Um and I'm not sure how many residents would pay just to have their
pool filled up and there is a private business 30 minutes also. Oh yeah there there it is. So So I've got a 4,000galon pool. Cost me 20 bucks to fill it up. No it doesn't. No way. 20 bucks.
Yeah, we paid for per thousand gallons. 4,000 gallons. Wow. I know somebody that just filled up for like 350 bucks. Oh, yeah. So, that's why I wanted to talk about Okay.
But Well But Well, no. Oh yeah, we absolutely I mean I think it would be worth talking to uh pumper and see if it is something we want to talk about or not but another opportunity.
Yep. I think we have to look at the uh aspect of so that's going to be the volunteer you know firefighters going to be doing that are they compensated like they would be a fire call or they compensated hourly or is it is it a city program
that the public works would be doing using you know fire equipment I guess we'd have to know um how long it would take to fill it up you know whether you use a hydrant or not many how long it would be
people like you and me. My guess is we'd fill up our 30,000galon tanker and connect the hose to it and fill up the pool. Yeah. So, be interesting to pick their brains on it.
Uh, does anybody else have any other items they would like to bring up? I just have a question on one here. So, We have a beekeeping license and then a beekeeping consultant. Do we require a beekeeping consultant
with every license or what's what's the difference between those two line items? Yeah. So, that would be any um the consultant would be um anyone that the city used to to review the application or kind of fall back on as as the expert. Um
we've maybe issued one BL license. Yeah, I'm I'm assuming it's not something that happens very often, but I I guess I just don't know enough about it to know. Do we have to consult with the beekeeping specialist every time we get a license? Uh, honestly, like I said, it's been
it's been at least five years since we've issued that license. Sure. I just curious. That's that's all. But it would almost make the escrow where any any expenses incurred by the city are in addition to your your license
fee. Gota because you just don't know what they're what they're going to be. Is that an annual license? Uh in theory, yes. Okay. Right. You got anything else? No.
Um just a question about the abatement of public nuisances for the noxious weeds um and rank vegetation growth. Does that count for people who aren't mowing their lawns and they're getting complaints and then the city goes out
and mow correct? Yep. And yeah, we even accounted for um I believe uh even yeah larger lots. So, we're basing it off of a a typical
city lot of about 13,000, you know. So, if we have to go in and cut acres, we're going to, you know, divide it by the 13,000 square feet and com and then bill it by five or two or however many um lots that that their
property would, you know, total. And that's probably something that could be looked at, too. You know, I mean, lawnmowers are pushing what, $30,000. You got staff time, gas, everything. Yep. It's more so the blades. And blades. Yeah.
Because long as it gets to that point, it's harder on the blade. Well, it's harder on everything. Yeah. You can you can blow an engine. We've even talked about just renting the front end attachment, right? Plowing it
to our to our Bobcat and just We have a disc more. I mean, in the past, it was quite a bit more challenging when there were, you know, hundreds of lots that weren't built. We
were talking we had to, it's not just mowing. We had to go pick up rocks and pick up concrete and pick up posts and this and that. And we still don't get all of them. And all of a sudden, $500 worth of repairs on the lawn mower. We're not running into that so much
anymore. It's more the commercial industrial park. Yeah. I would say at one time we were invoicing over $20,000 for this abatement. Well, at one time we were contracted. We had we had contracted for
us. Yep. That's how it started initially. Yes. Excuse me. You got anywhere? Um, no. Well, just the attorney's fees and engineering fees will be updated according to the new agreement. Got it. I don't I can't
Scott. No covered. Uh, one thing is uh the other item I wanted to add was um now we talked about I remember this being talked about with the library board about uh having a
notary at the library and I know Jamie notary too. Is that something that we also want to consider adding and maybe kind of advertising a little bit because I know the library I mean it
couldn't be a service right so it would be you know if you got a library card I can notoriize this but as far as city hall you know the library could charge I didn't know they could Yeah they charge for uh printing okay but just another avenue
yeah at at city hall we Um, Tammy is our notary essentially for city stuff. So, that's not something that we would like to advertise for city hall. What are we going to get? Two bucks. Well, honestly,
it's it's becoming kind of more and more of a thing. Um, my my wife is a bank and they get requests all the time and they have a real strict policy. It's if you're not a bank customer, we don't do it. We don't they don't
charge for it. I know, um, other places do charge for it. Um, but I see it posted quite a bit, people looking for a notary around town, and I've seen, you know, the the fees
10, 15, 20, $25 for for notary services. Um it I think one it's a service that we should think about consider if we want to do it at city hall we want to do it at the library if we want to do it at
both places to make it convenient for people I'd say make the fee convenient but uh or consistent and convenient but I I do I do think we'd probably get a fair number of people taking advantage of that service because it's getting harder and harder to find a place that
will for people that are non- customers. Um, you know, I mean, and it's not always convenient to go to bank, right? You know, for me, if I had to go to my bank, I'd have to closest one would be Lake. There's many people that don't even have a brick and mortar bank anymore.
They're doing everything. Yeah. It's all online. Well, I'm I'm just throwing it out there. We could look at a a resident non-resident. Maybe both locations are make the most sense just because the library would be open on Saturdays. Yeah. in what towel six at least what one night
yeah people from you know whatever it may be and then it's it's just another opportunity what type of costs are incurred for the notary process stamp yeah stamp and what's the the renewal
fee or something for like three years 120 here something like that it's what three years or five years now years I think Yeah. All I know is we expire in 26. That's all I know. Do you have that in the budget?
Yeah. Put that in the budget. I should know. It says 120 bucks. So I I don't know. Um I I definitely would like to take another look at this schedule before we approve it. I think
that there was some pretty good feedback with it and uh I don't know maybe city staff take some time write down kind of what you would like to see when we cover costs and then uh we have this conversation again prior to uh later on
when we add uh consultant and m attorney what other items there might be on there. I think this was kind of more of a preliminary conversation. Absolutely. Um just, you know, if there was certain fees that the council wanted
to increase or not touch or get rid of or add, um yeah, we go through it uh at the staff level every year. Yeah. So, with the with the comparable board study that it's going to affect. Yeah. There was a lot of items that
changed this from, you know, when we voted on what January January. Yep. Yeah. I know the fire department or the um fire district board is is looking at
uh increasing the cost of uh fire calls or adding other additional fees. We've talked about the last couple meetings like um a lift assist after two free or something like that. Um it just seems like right right now they're getting called for
currently isn't it we're just doing 500 if we uh uh start a pump. Start a pump. Yeah. Y so everything else is free which at the same time we don't want to discourage people from calling in a time of need thinking that well I don't want to have to pay this. Many people don't even
realize their homeowners insurance, you know, has a $500, you know, or or started implementing it and then they saw, you know, a drastic cut from um those that would kind of I don't even want to say, but I guess that's one way you
could say it. But they they kind of cut down on some calls from and and they're right there with you, Scott. They don't want to deer anyway from calling anyone from calling saying, "Well, you know what? I only have 50 bucks, so rather stay at home."
And that's a serious event. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of those, you know, get a call at 2 a.m. for some ibuprofen, you know, whatever it may be. But, uh, they start implementing it and, uh,
credit to them. So you call EMS um you know ambulance are going to charge you regardless. So it's like we have to kind of look at it as a whole and the big thing is a paid on call volunteer service
and a lot of people are getting burned out. So I'll be excited to kind of hear u in 2026 how they're doing with all that. Yeah, I mean I I got really nothing else to kind of add. I'm sure I'll scratch my head a little bit more on this.
Yeah. Yeah. This was just intended to be though, like you said, uh preliminary just first time discussing it. There's there's a lot of good things to actually really promote up here, too. So, uh whether it's tax copies, you
know, some other items that maybe residents don't really know either that we could probably promote uh through the Facebook account or whatever it may be. So, yeah, I forgot something back when you were
talking about the uh fees for city council like attending things. Is there a mayor association do? Yes. Okay. And is that 350 or what? Uh, no. It's substantially less than
that. Yeah, that that's already accounted for. Okay. Yep. Sorry. Just my AB. Okay. Well, uh, council, are you okay with moving forward on the fee schedule?
Okay. Yeah. Um, basically what uh in addition to any priorities to be discussed by the council, uh, last thing is, uh, road and bridge. So, I turn it over to the public works director and kind of talk about what
he's proposing for, uh, milling overlays for for 26 and other maintenance items as well. Yeah. So for millaning overlays um my criteria is um our PCI
rating of 70 or less. Um we also take into account you know those are getting driven on more. Um anyways for 2026 I'm proposing Sing Hills Drive Southeast.
Um, it's on your map. So, Singing Hills Drive and Woodidge Court Southeast, it's the yellow areas on the map. Um, 950
ft and 350 ft plus the culde-sac for Woodidge Court. Um, Glen View Drive southeast. It's the green area on the southern portion intersecting Bluff Heights Drive. 8th Avenue Northwest.
That's on the separate map. It's the portion in green. Um that area was reconstructed in 2007. For some reason, that 200 ft has crumbled. Um
so I use the figures that we calculated our millon overlays for in 2025. Um which worked well. Um so this $155,000 proposed budget number does include engineering
um for the seal coding or GSB 888. Um that's area 7. So on the
utility infrastructure map, it's the green and yellow areas. It's pretty much the ent southwest section of town that was reconstructed. Uh, Second Avenue, Third Avenue, Fourth Avenue, Florida, Delaware, Colorado,
Alabama, the alleys from Highway 19 to Alabama, and the alley from Alabama to Southwest Colorado. Um, confident $60,000 for that area would be sufficient to get that whole thing done.
In 2024, we did area five, which is the older southeast portion of town. Um, we did the test area of two different products, GSB88,
and I just I really like the GSB88. I like the way it performs. Um, I did have a little pamphlet included in there. Um, the biggest What it does is it gives the street its elasticity back. So
before crack starts, it keeps the street together. Um that's kind of the goal here. So um based on how area five turned out, I strongly recommend doing area 7.
Um other big items for the 2020. Well, let's just stop. Do you guys have any questions about the mill overlay? closed areas or the seal coating. How much was last year's mill overlay? I think we budgeted 215,000 and we came
in at 91 or something like that. Yeah, that sounds about right. And are we doing assessments? This is proposed just as the same way that we've been doing them forever. Okay.
Joe, do you ever worry about starting and stopping with billing overlays? I do. Um, that is a big ticket item for me is getting this payment management plan in place. Um,
depending on what we can afford. So if the city is divided into areas similar size to the GSD88 area, um we reconstructed that in two phases
of a project and I think for affordability um we could get the same type of phasing done for a millon overlay. It would really help me with future maintenance instead of having patches
everywhere in the street. We are going to get way more bang for our buck by consolidating our project into a an area versus spread out into multiple areas where they have to pick the mill up and drive it, you know, halfway across town
to get somewhere. Um, you know, I'd like to say it's as simple as we divide the into 20 parts and every year we do a part and when we get to year 20 and we just go back to year one. Um those are the type of things I'm
really looking forward to in the pavement management plan um to kind of lay these these things out for us. Um because we haven't been doing zero maintenance. I mean there are we have these areas of the city that are reconstructed. Um it's mostly the early
2000 developments right now that we need to focus heavy on. um particularly Willow Creek and Northeast. So dividing these into projects um that we can afford
um and then the council needs to decide you know how do we move forward with assessing if that's something that you guys would like to move forward with. Um, I think once we get this paper management plan in place, it will really lay the groundwork out
um, for the arguments of, well, my neighbor got his road for nothing and might have had to pay for mine. You know, those are all things that we're going to have to discuss and and talk about. And I think the assessments help when
uh, you try to play out these big runs, too. Absolutely. Um I know previous engineer Shabbani had stated that she anticipated assessing could be up to 50% of the project cost. Um that's just
something I think we're going to have to look at. I know I have friends that live in other cities in Londale and you know their typical assessment for renown overlays in their neighborhoods is 2 to $3,000. Um, so depending on the size of the project, we have to decide what percentage we're comfortable with
assessing how much of the project we want it to be. Um, so typically Joel, if there is an assessment, say 3,000, how long is that spread out for? Five years, seven years?
Uh, it could be whatever the council wants to do. So like traditionally uh so uh traditionally we've matched the assessments with um how long our bond payments are. So when they were 10 years it was a 10-year assessment when it was then when
we increased it to 15 because the the principal was was getting you know large then we went out to 15 for for both of them. But you know I think if you're talking you know 2500 to $3500 I don't
think five years is out of line and then no fee for prepayment like if somebody wanted to pay it off early. Oh, correct. Yep. Okay. Yep. Oh, absolutely. Okay.
Um so just for an example of what we're looking at for like a project cost. So Joel, if you go back to the map of Southeast, um, from an industrial drive, you take Willow Drive to Glen View Drive
with Hillrest, Meadow View, and Bluff Heights Drive to Meadow View that. So it's the portion in blue and green, Willow Creek all the way to industrial. That project estimate for me really was
$700,000. That's a big number, a lot of money. Um, but you know, future maintenance, consistency of streets, I think that was based on my calculations of how I do it now. Um, those numbers that I use, $30
per square yard, that's been allowing us to move around town and stay within the budget. I'm not going to say substantially less, but I think it would be less if contractors bid on a project and they looked and the map was all one drop off
site, one pickup site. Anything else you guys got on the streets? Yeah, that northeast side's pretty rough. It's getting rough. I agree with what you're As far as southeast,
southeast is more the delamination of the seal coat. Yeah. Northeast is more it's time to replace the street. Um so working with Balden Mink, uh we
will have to get a price what this um payment management plan will cost. Um I don't have that number yet. Still working with Jason every day on wel protection plan and data lake and just getting him all
up to speed on everything. So I would anticipate some rough estimate of a cost shortly. Um for equipment, uh the a new single axle plow truck, uh the one we received in 2024 was roughly 250,000.
Um that identical truck today is 300,000. So same year, same year, that would be order. Okay. So that would be a 2026
truck that we would probably re it wouldn't be as big of a delay, but we probably still wouldn't receive it until if we ordered it today till 2027. Um, I have spoken with Commissioner Peters
about Forest Township's Paw Truck that's been kind of rumored to become for sale. Uh, sounds like they're with the price of trucks and the delays again, sounds like they're, no pun intended, pumping the brakes on that deal. Uh,
we're just we're at the point where if we got a new one, we could get rid of two. Like I said, we run four or we run three and have four because we need a backup just for the parts issues with Sterling
trucks no longer being manufactured. The new truck was an international international and you would buy you go for an international. I would I mean I have no reason to not. It's been a fantastic truck and
I would also propose to have it set up exactly the same with the brine system. Um we alternate every other salt sand because it is night and day difference with brine versus no brine. We are using
not quite half the material, but each truck used to have 7 and 12 tons of salt sand on it. Takes two trucks to salt the whole city. Both trucks would be empty. We can get two salt sands out
of one 7 and 12 ton load. Now, um not that we're going to save enough to buy the truck and pay it off 5 years, but it's a substantial in for our um chloride here. I mean, it
just it hits a lot of things for for the salt use. Uh the street maintenance materials, uh this is pretty standard. Um these numbers, city administrator and I have gone over the last couple years. I'm going to stick exactly the same with
these numbers. Crosswalk striping, $5,000. the patching, curb repair, manhole and gate valve, and storm sewer cast and repairs, 30,000. Those numbers are the same. Curb line we control, that's
$1,000. That's the same. Signs, $1,000. Um, this year was the first year of reducing that number to $1,000. We have replaced every sign in the city of Lonsdale to
um comply with the state's retro reflectivity. Um so we're able to knock that number down to a thousand times. Excuse me. Cintas. Um we currently have uniform pants that are washed every week, rugs and rags.
working with them right now to get t-shirts. Um, every other yearish it's been jackets or sweatshirts, whichever the guys want. Um, our long-term goals, if we traded our
skid loader in today, it would be trade in our machine and $50,000 to boot. Our machine is a 2016 which running great now, but we do have in the
past we've put substantial repairs into that machine. Um the street sweeper looking at 250,000. That's just the machine as a new one. Um the last one we bought was used. I think we paid $50,000 for the one that we have right now.
Um it's just a number so you guys see what the new cost is. It's not saying we have to buy a new one. Um, replace the 2016 and 2017 Ford F-150s. I would like to get on a rotation,
whichever the council is comfortable with, if it's 10 years, if it's 15. Um, but I think we can I I don't think it's going to be difficult to justify getting on a 10-year rotation when you look at what the city can get for the pickups when we
sell them versus running them into the ground. Um, paving the remain remaining unpaved alleys. Um, think it would clean things up. I think uh I think our residents would really
like it. Um, our recon projects. When did we start that? By the phone company in area five pave in the alleys with our recon projects. Yeah, I think it was uh 18. It could have been. I think we started on the
east side of Main Street. Yes. Yep. Um so it's not like we have to do every single alley. I mean there's a handful of them that are remaining. Um and then retention pond cleaning. This one,
you know, this has been an issue for I shouldn't say an issue, but it's been on our radar for quite a long time. Um, we've had rural water come out in the past. They have a little remote control boat that has a sonar on it that can
tell us the depths of our retention ponds and how they're doing. Um, so that's kind of a difficult cost. have to pick an area, pick a pond. Some
are going to be substantially more than others just for access, things of that nature, restoration. Uh, but that's those are the those are the big hitters for the road and bridge with the biggest obviously being the mill and overlays.
You guys have any questions? I'd be happy to answer. If you would like to discuss anything further, I'd be happy to. The retention pond cleaning I know something we need to do. Is it is it feasible to try to work with the
weather? Like this year, for example, would be a horrible summer to try to do it with all the rain we've had, but you know, if we had a dry year, would that would that help or I know you have deal with accessibility
some somewhat. The the problem is so let's let's just say if the water goes down two feet in a drought here that doesn't mean we gain two more feet of access with our machines. Are you are you are you doing like lo
long stick excavators or how how do they how do they do it? I would say it would be primarily long stick excavators. There could probably be some backing if if a jeter truck could get to it. It also depends on the size of the
retention pot. I mean, on this map right here, you can see we have one that's tiny where a log stick could get the whole thing in a couple of hours. And then directly to the east, uh, that's huge. the retention time cleaning, you know,
there's that's that's a long-term goal. Um, I don't want to say it's not on the radar, but there's quite a bit more research to be done as far as cost estimating before we cross that bridge.
I just, you know, looking at it, you know, if we had we had it some of that done, it looked like we were it was the weather would be conducive to help. We had everything ready to go, you know. Okay.
Looking at the same brand skid loader again to the Kabota. So, the Kabota, um, as far as operating it, I'd say if we have 5,000 hours on our skid loader, I probably have 3,800
of them. I I love that machine. It's a It's been a great machine. It's ergonomically great. Problem we run into is the attachments. Bobcat. I should say Bobcat, but K Cabota and
Bobcat are kind of sister companies. You know, they used to have each other's engines and Bobcat attachments go on Kabota skid loaders. Same. The cat skid loaders do not. Um, when we're talking about this tar mill we experimented
with. Now, this is like the third year that we've done it and there is the thing's phenomenal, but we can't run it on our skateboard. With that said, um
the price of a cat skid motor is substantially higher than the price of a Kabota skid or a bobcat skid. Not if you do these giveaways though. Giveaways. Yeah. Have you not seen them all over Facebook? No.
Okay. I'll put the city of London though for a couple. Perfect. Away the campers that they can't sell and everything else flat bed trailer that So in that So in that case could I mean those type of things could would though it be worthwhile to rent that equipment.
I have to rent. Yeah. Okay. All right. They don't make one for Kabota. I could buy an adapter to put on for So that thing is only made for Caterpillar SC.
Yes. It's how they hook up to the hydraulics and the electrical parts of the machine. The the reason why the skid loader is a longterm goal, number one, I would say, like I said, we've had substantial repairs that
I think there's value left in that skid loader that we can work those repairs off in service. The other reason is once we do our sewer wastewater treatment plant upgrade study,
if by chance that some sort of drying bed is the answer, a track machine will need to be purchased. I want to buy a new wheel machine next year and in two years we need to buy a different machine to
account for what our upgrade is. Our skid loader is fine. It works. It's not some old piece of junk. So, um the other thing I will say about the skid loader is its role in snow plowing has decreased substantially with the
purchase of that gator that's saving our trails. Um just for the weight of that machine, it's primarily used now for loading snow piles. So, a track machine in that scenario in the winter, um, I
think we could get away with it where three years ago before we had the gator, not enough trying to fly with the track. Not enough. Complete chaos. So, I'm I'm glad you brought that up. I was I was curious about that. Okay.
I I don't know about the UN paved alleys. Um, I can see some people just wishing it was grass. Um, but I I don't know what's your interactions been like. So it would be
the alleys that are I guess when we say paved it would be gravel versus you know there's alleys in the old northeast part of town or old southwest part of town that are grass
alleys that I'm not talking about paving or graveling or doing anything with those. So, we're talking my laptop. We're talking the alleys by the apartments
in the southeast part of town. Okay. Uh there's an alley in upper or lower northwest, excuse me. There's one by the Legion and there's one one block west and one block north.
Those are the two gravel alleys over there. Can do you want to do this? Do you want to kind of capture an image and then of the alleys that Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that help. Yeah. Basically, it's the alleys that um
are accessed on a regular basis from property owners whose garage is above um the alley and we plow and and we plow. Yes. So that would leave us with uh just one remaining street in town that's unpaid which is Mil Street. Which is Mil Street. Correct. So any
appetite to pay that? I know we went through that last year. I know personally um the maintenance on Mil Street is mostly
from Highway 19 just past the entrance of Mills parking lot. You know, other than that, with the amount of turning of tractors and this and that that's going on, gravel probably is the best answer. It is.
So, I wouldn't recommend paving the entire Mil Street. Um, you know, council would have to decide, you know, if that's a priority. I know at that time as part of that recon project that was voted out as the option.
No, I understand that. I just I was just saying we have no other gravel. Correct. In the community just you know I remember a number of years ago when Florida South uh southeast was gravel. Yeah. Yes. 10th Avenue Northwest was gra.
Yeah. So slowly eliminating those. Just checking how many miles on those trucks are you even seeing at the 16 and 17.
Shoot from the hip. I'm going to say there's 25,000 miles on 25 to 30,000 miles on the miles. You know, it's kind of one of those. So, the van for instance has like 61,000
miles on it. 2007. The F250 that I when I started here that I drove was a 1995 and when we sold that 65,000 miles on it. Our 1999 Sterling has 60,000 miles on it. You know,
lot of hours. It's a lot of running around the blocks type of a thing. They don't ever get to get out and spread their wings. Just stand. Okay. Well, um, take this. Yeah.
Anybody else have any questions? Well, I'll just be excited to see the plan. So, as I'm very excited to see that, right? No, I don't have any questions.
Okay. Well, uh, My other question is, uh, as far as the hidden Willow Creek pond, um, is that something that we want to
look at cleaning as well because of all the algae and weeds that are in there for better use to do that. I spoke with the DNR about well, two things. Um, stocking the pond.
So, this all started when Charlie Peter Fessle and the park board naming that official lake. Got some data from the DNR. Hey guys, what can we do? You know, there's kids that fish here every day
and it it literally is disgusting. Uh, ironically or magically, we have the rarest form of willow creeping willows. I can't think of the name right now, but it's it's around the
whole pond. So, we cannot chemically treat that pond because of that. It's an endangered species of plants. Um, I don't have any pricing right now, but there are options that we could do. Um, they have rollers that you can put
on the dock that just rotate and get rid of all the weeds. And then there's devices that you can fast to the dock that make current to get rid of the weeds. I don't think it's really feasible to
clean the holes on, but I would sure like to do something at least for the areas that people are fishing so you don't catch weeds like right off the right off the bat. Yeah, that's interesting that those willows
are an endanger. They're all over my yard. I know Joel and we joke about this all the time. There there's just random things where it's like only in lost. You'll have something where it's like only in this one. We Well, that was they used to use that
for a frog harvesting years ago. Uh yeah, something like that. Yeah. Um they were uh they had a permit and there was some locals that they would harvest the frogs and they were being used for uh the biology stuff, you
know, they'd send them. So it was, you know, that pond was uh feeding high schools and Wow. biology. Yeah, we we covered that uh when we uh started the whole process with the fishing pier and all that. Well, that's a great idea for our next
community event. We could have frog days. Catch a frog. It's a big thing. We could make shirts, have little community days rebranded as frog days. Yes. Frog legs instead of the turtle races,
the frog leaps or something. There we go. Be careful bringing the DNR in too much. Next thing you know, we'll have a slot limit on all the fish caught out of that. The sunfish limit is down to five and they have to be so big. throw back. Well,
DNR has done fantastic work with that. Anything else we want to go through? I don't have anything else. Scott, no. Brian, no, I'm good. Joel, I'm good. Jason.
All right. Motion to adjourn. Motion by Laurian. Second. Second by Miller. Any further discussion? All in favor? All opposed. This meeting is now adjourned. Thank
you. Have a good night.