trying to get our cater. Well, we got our temporary one, but we can only do it till I'm trying to get food safety classes. They're taking forever on everything. Yeah.
Gentlemen, turn on your microphones. We're going to call this meeting to order. Pledge of allegiance, please. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Jeremy Brainard here. Mike Harding here. Tim Kesh here. Mike Ku
here. And James is here also. I'm here. And I am too. All right. Approval of the agenda. Did everybody take a look at it? Yes. See anything you don't like? There will be some changes, but I'll
direct you in the right area. So, we need a motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve. We have a motion by Mike Conu, a second by Mike Harding. All in favor? I I. All opposed? Motion carries. Approval of the minutes. Everybody take
a look at the minutes from the last meeting. I had made some corrections with Yes, we took care of that earlier. Yes, Mr. Chair. I didn't make the uh corrections from earlier. Okay. Anybody uh have any questions about it or
changes? No. All right. We would entertain a motion to pass. Make a motion. We have a motion by Tim Kesh. Second. Second by Mike Harding. All in favor? I I All opposed. Motion
carries. Public hearings. We're going to open the public hearing. Cory. Uh thank you, Mr. Chair, and good evening, commissioners. Um so tonight on the list, we're jumping into public hearings. And first on the agenda of 6A is public hearing land use application
202503 Willow Creek Commons uh fifth edition preliminary and final plat. So my background right here uh Lisa Watson uh Quick Trip Real Estate Manager uh that's the first few words of my uh staff report here. Uh she's sitting
right behind me right here. So, um, before we get dive into, uh, dive into all the staff reports, I'm going to just have her come up, um, and, um, uh, introduce herself and she's just going to jump into a quick PowerPoint.
Okay. Good evening, commissioners. Good evening, commission. Good evening, commissioners. I'm on. Got a spread here. Okay. Can I be here? Am I on your way? No,
you're good. Again, as Corey introduced, uh my name is Lisa Watson. I'm a senior real estate manager for Quick Trip and just want to walk you through the site development plan and talk a little bit more about the company and what we do as a company.
Um, I think there's a lot of uh things that people may or may not know about Quick Trip and we're just going to talk about some of those details so everyone uh has a little more information. So, this project uh when it was brought forward actually to me uh someone in the
community had actually uh reached out. Um I had heard about Lansdale through some other communications and wanted me to take a look at Lansdale for Quick Trip. It's a community size we very know very well.
Uh typically 2500 to 5,000 is kind of our sweet spot when it comes to store generation. We obviously are in bigger locations, but this location is directly across from Commerce Drive Southeast and 15th Avenue and across from the Lonsdale
Clinic, which I believe is soon to be the new city hall. Um so when we take a look at this location, there's a lot that goes into site planning and a lot of it is visibility. Um, where is it off of a major road? And is it easy to get
in and out? As many of you know who travel with family and kids, going into a sea store is not just about being um gas, but being efficient with your time. And so that played into the locations we looked at for your city. We also look at
the traffic counts. I look at um population. Where is it located? Can it be accessible by other people than just cars driving by? So different than an interstate. So when we look at the city, we look at a
variety of things. Corey, this site plan is what we call a new Gen 3 store. This is a 95 around 9500 square foot store. Um this has an attached car wash with an eight
dispenser fueling canopy. Typically, our biggest stores have a 10 dispenser fueling canopy. Um, but due to the width we and due to the size of the community, we felt eight was appropriate here. Um, it also has an outside picnic area as you see north of the site plan outside
the store. Um, you also see two vestibules. When you look from the overhead, those two uh areas on the what I call the east and north side of the store are vestibial entrances. So, easy access. There'll be a monument sign,
there'll be an off-site sign, and there'll be four access points. And this lays out to 2.2 acres. On that 2.2 acres, the reason we require more land is we do an on-site storm pond um on the property. And then the other part in
this I want to point out a couple things on this site plan is there will be a six-foot burm on the south side and we'll have a fence and we'll have landscaping on the outer side of the fence. Um also the car wash exit is
facing north. So it faces towards the police station and what we call the bailout lane which you have to provide is on the on the south side of the store. In the back south corner you'll see the garbage um enclosed container
where we put our dumpster and so easy access for the garbage truck to get into. Um the other part is there'll be a trail and a sidewalk that will be on the east side of the property and then along with the entrances um and the two entrances. The reason for multiple
entrances is flow of traffic. One of the things if you guys have ever noticed going into small sites or sites that are under one acre typically is the tightness of cars getting in and out but also safety factor. And one of the
biggest things we do at QuickRip is we plan for safety. It is critical with uh adults, parents with kids, people who might be getting out in the disability aisles that we allow for enough safety and distance between canopy and store
and store and parking. There will be some additional parallel parking along the east side where you see the three trees in front of the canopy. We'll do a few parallel parking spots there also. Okay, this shows the exterior building
details. Um, 9100 square feet, a brick facade, green metal roof, almond fa fascia and sophet, and then LED lighting and building signs. And as we get into the site, we use LED on all of our
sites. Um, they technically are leadcertified sites. We don't go for the lead certification, but all our lights are up and under canopies. So none, as you face around the building, would you see a light directly at you? Everything
is up underneath and inside. There's also no light pollution. The reason for our lighting is we ensure that the light stays on our site and does not go off the site. Okay, Corey. And as I talked about, this is a detached dumpster. Uh, it's a black
structure with a brick facade. It's got a sandstone vinyl board gate with a green metal wall cap, so easy accessible. It's close to the store, so when uh co-workers are taking garbage out late at night or at any time during the day, they can easily access it.
Access it. Okay, Corey. Fueling canopy details. This is a 3,800 gas fueling canopy with eight pumps and 16 fueling stations. We use again uh LED letters and a LED red stripe. Many of the I will say this,
many of the signs you see at holidays and things like that are not LED lights. So when you see that bright blue stripe and their blue lettering, they do not use LED lighting. Um almond fascia canopy columns wrapped with aluminum.
And then tanks are actually underground. So we do all our tanks underground. They're inspected yearly. um we do take great precaution. There's also a lot of safety features that we have in play and one is uh we monitor these tanks on site
in Lacrosse, but there's also a an alarm system inside the store. So if something were to happen with the tanks, we actually get a notice an alarm goes off, they have a way to shut it off. And we um have all kinds of safety protocol and
I can talk more about that later. interior building details. Um, this shows the newest stores with pictures. Um, you'll see uh the newest bathrooms. You'll see the newest actually eating area with a high top low top bar area.
So, when people come in for their lunch break or whatever time and want to sit and have a or have even a meeting, they have a space to do that. Um, there's the hot food hot bar. There is new produce
and vegetable island in the lower picture where you see the bananas. We now have an actual separate island for all the fruits and vegetables in the store. Um, which gave us the ability to expand what we offer for grocery and be able to um have a separate spot instead
of an endcap for that. Um, many of you may or may not know, but look, Quick Trip produces all its food in Lacrosse. Every store gets a daily delivery. Everything is made in Lacrosse and shipped to the stores. So, milk, eggs,
ice cream. We pick up from dairy farmers. We bring it in and then we ship it out. Every bakery item, every commissary item is made in Lacrosse and shipped out to the stores daily. In the stores, there's an inventory system that tracks the usage and so every store
knows what they need to bring in. So stuff is not sitting for weeks on end and that way we guarantee it's fresh, including milk. Milk literally goes out, comes in from a farmer and goes out in 24 hours to our stores. Um the other part is because of the vertically
integrated products, that's how we were able to save significantly on our prices. Um, that's why you see bananas at times 29 cents a pound. You see potatoes 29 cents. You see onions really cheap. Um, we're able to keep all our
prices low because of what we bring in in mass quantity in in Lacrosse. Um, the other part is on the interior building is safety. There are cameras inside and out of our store. There's probably anywhere from 20 to 30 cameras between
the inside and the outside of the store area. There is also ATMs in the store. We provide free ATMs. You can see them up in the top uh right hand picture. And that is a part of our service that we provide also to our customers.
Okay. Community benefit. Um a big part of what we do is we provide 25 to 35 permanent jobs in this side store. I would say 60% of them are full-time. 40% is typically part-time. With that, we project an uh annual payroll of around
600,000. Um, part of that, just to give a little more detail, is Quick Drip honors bene many benefits to the co-workers. One of the first things they did is in 25 years ago, they bought out the previous partners. They became
family-owned and they decided to give back profit sharing to all the co-workers. So every single employee who works in our store gets profit sharing at the end of the year from Quick Trip. It is actually handed out in a physical check and it's the reward for our
co-workers who help us provide the service and what we do in the stores. The other part of our co-workers is we offer benefits to part-time employees. We also provide birthday gifts for employees. We provide anniversary gifts for employees. and there are
opportunities to move up and train and go to other locations as they move throughout um our store. We give back to local food banks. So, anything that's barely over an expiration date or we didn't use bakery items and things like that, we call our local food providers
and want them to pick up our food donations and donate. We also give community charitable donations. We will sponsor baseball teams. We will sponsor local parades. we will give back to many things that go on in the community. Um we are not just another sea store. We
are heavily involved in our communities. We support support our police and fire. Um many of times if they are out on a call and maybe they need something um not only for the families but need water or it's an extremely hot day, we will
give that to them free. We will provide for our community providers. Um, even in emergency situations, if there was a tornado, if there was a flood, and there was need of food and water, we are going to give back to the community. Um, we're
a locally Wisconsin based family uh, owned company. Again, it was started in Lacrosse. Uh, Don Zitlo, who started it, started it with two other partners. He bought out one partner and then he bought out the third partner so that it was all four generation family-owned. So
there's every age of family that actually works in the in the company itself. Um the other part of the community benefit is we do uh families helping families which is actually a program where Quick Trip employees can
take a small donation of our paycheck, put it in a fund and give back to the employees who work there. So for example, we had a co-orker who ended up with a brain tumor. Um he actually fainted in the kitchen floor one day and what families helping families did is
pick up all the extra medical costs that insurance did not cover because of this fund. It's basically our United Way fund for co-workers. And then the construction project info we're looking to start of spring of 26. It's a four-month
construction schedule. It's estimated to be a $2 million development improvement with the coordination of the city and community. Um, obviously we're a tax benefit and do our part to make sure that we are a huge part of the
community. So with that, Corey, anyone? Uh, thank you, Lisa, and thank you for coming down the Lawndale tonight. So, uh, Mr. Chair Commission public hearing land use application [Music]
2025-03 Willow Creek Commons fifth edition preliminary plat and final plat uh action with this action with this uh public or or uh endgame here is review and consider approval of Willow Creek comments fifth edition preliminary and
final uh preliminary or final plat background here. Uh Lisa Watson, who we just met, uh Quick Trip Real Estate, uh manager um for lot one block one, Willow Creek Comments, fifth edition, submitted land use application
2025-03 on April 29, 2025. The subject property platted area, as she mentioned, 2.2 acres is uh proposed to be lot one, block one, Willow Creek Commons, fifth edition. Staff have conducted the review
of the Willow Creek Commons fifth edition preliminary preliminary and final plating lot one block one. Quicktrip has provided the data required per city code 152.21 uh data for preliminary plat.
Um this was originally platted in Octo or in October 14 2014 or 2004 as Willow Creek Commons West. I just want to make that point. Uh the Willow Creek Commons has been around since
2004. Uh staff then proceeded with the issuance of the mandatory 10-day public hearing notification which was advertised in the Lawnale area news review commencing May 8th, 2025 and mailed the public hearing notice letter to property owners within 350 ft of uh
1400 Commerce Drive Southeast. Uh if public comments were received during the notice period, staff will present them at the planning and zoning commission May 19, 2025 hearing tonight. Uh I did receive a few uh public comments. Um I I
will get uh move they pertain to the conditional use which will be the next on the public hearing list. So options uh options available to the planning commission. Uh none conducted public hearing tonight. uh attachments land use
application 2025-03 city of Lawndale final plat application public hearing notice uh city the city code 15221 for data uh for preliminary preliminary and final plat uh Willow Creek uh comments fifth
edition preliminary plat and Willow Creek uh comments fifth edition official plat. So those are your attachments uh with this portion of the public hearing for the for the land use 2025-03. Uh tonight uh recommendation is
to consider approval of the land use application for the preliminary plat and final plat. This is step one. So uh Mr. Chair, open up the hearing. All right, we'll open up the
hearing and uh please come. You can step up to the podium, state your name and address. Um, there'll be no swearing tolerated. Um, and it's open to anyone. Please come up if you have something to say. My name is Mike Palmer of 1493
Connecticut Drive Southeast. I guess my question for Quick Trip would be [Music] um was was was the land to the east of Dollar General between uh 15th and
Garfield, was that considered at all? And if it was, why was this area preferred? Lisa, did you hear his question? Yep. Okay. Do you want me to answer? If you would please. You can answer it from
right there. That's fine. Yep. It was considered. However, we felt it was better to pick the current properties due to the fact that land is 12 acres and it is we would like it reserved for current industrial manufacturers who are
looking to come to town. We do not want to take a parcel when we can go on a smaller parcel and leave a larger vacated piece of land for potential business users who need a larger piece of property. Um, there also was some
what I would call buildout uh concerns on that and because of going down and into again additional turns into the property and the quick trip team felt the current property is a better
visibility space in use because it's smaller. Question. Yeah. Can I ask one more question? Sure. Yep. Um this um can you can you describe I know you said that that there's going to be a burm and fence um
on the south side of the property. Can you better describe how that would look from Connecticut on the road on the south? Uh the burm will be seated with appropriate seating. uh grass seating that you would
see on a normal um nicely groomed landscape burm. Um and fence wise, I believe what we put in was either white vinyl or I believe that is code the white vinyl fence that'll go on top. And
then landscaping would be of appropriate again what should be prior of code of trees whether um it's evergreens whether it's maples whether it's certain
uh uh species that we would uh again make sure our code related to that parcel. So but it would be nicely landscaped rounded up with a fence. How tall of a fence? Six feet. Yeah. Six feet fence and six feet burn. Yes, that
was my Okay, there we go. So, 12 ft. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner, can I have one thing? Sure. Um, in regards to parking, if you noticed on the site plan, there are no parking spots on the south side of the building with
headlights facing to the neighborhood. All parking is facing towards County Road 19 and the other buildings. Yes. All right. Just a reminder, this is the public hearing for the preliminary and final PL. The conditional uses um will
follow. Okay. And we do limit to two minutes. So, okay. Hello. My name is Mitchell Dotus. I live actually two doors down from Mr. Palmer on Connecticut Drive. Uh, I don't have any problem with the quick trip going
in, but I'd ask that the city puts in at the end of our road, um, that the rudders live on the end that they put in some sort of visible reflective X or some sort of thing to show that that is not a through road. Um, I did talk to
someone on city council about two two years ago. They did get a no outlet sign put up. Okay. We still have problems with people coming through there doing like 30 40 miles an hour and they don't see that it's a an end road until they get to the end of the road. So, I'd like
something put up so that people who are trying to get to Quick Trip who miss the turn don't know that that is actually a backdoor entrance or a car wash entrance or anything like that cuz we have like 12 to 14 kids on that street and I'd hate for one of them to get hit by
someone not knowing that that's an not an exit or an entrance. Absolutely. So, noted. Noted. Okay, got it. Okay, thank you. Anybody else? Who's going to do the talk and you or
he's going to try? Uh Kyle Derer 1457 Connecticut Drive. I guess I'd like to know, we missed the first couple minutes getting ready and getting down here, but what the hours operation of the Quick Trip would be. It's 24 hours. Y 24 hours. And then if
the city would do anything for the drop in property values that we're probably going to get by having a gas station that wasn't and land that wasn't zoned to be a gas station now within 100 ft of our homes. I uh so
a little history on that. Um the Willow Creek Commons area was developed or actually was um initially platted in 2004 and I believe we found 05 is when it was zoned B24 July 15th 2004 and then
Willow Creek Comments was October 2004. So we're in the 2004 area. So it has been zone B2 um for over 20 years before the housing started. Uh correct. Yeah, there may have been the couple on the the corner of or the intersection of
15th and and Commerce, but it has been zoned for a gas station as a condition of use since then. Okay, so this is not something that is that has been changed recently. From what I understand, it's not going to hurt your property values. I we we actually um looked at the other
gas stations that are in town and um on average uh since uh 2022 as far back as as the county goes for values um if you look at this specific area uh Mac and
Casey's and Lndale Food and Fuel the average property value uh over that time has been in excess of 30%. So, but I mean that's the city's not going to compensate you for um No, but I mean increase in property value. I mean
everybody's property values and whatnot. Not just because you're station that's just the the market that we're in. And if everyone's values are going to tank, it's going to be something Yeah. that's going to affect affect everybody. So, citywide like it was in '08. Yep.
Right. Right. Yep. Did that answer your question? Not really. That was the answer I could possibly imagine. Well, all I can do is go by what? Clear as mud. Yeah. Thank you. But all I can tell you is that based off of property values from 04 to
pay 26 on average, homes that are adjacent to a gas station have increased over 30%. Along with the other homes that are adjacent gas stations also, correct? But they're still going up. They're not flat. They're not decreasing. Right. We're saying there's no causality there. Yeah. I can just go
by what the values are at properties adjacent in the ocean get bit by sharks too. Just information from beacon that's all. Right. Right. That's all we can go by. What it is saying is I I don't think you're going to see that your property values are going to go
down. It'll be for other reasons than the gas station. I don't think the gas station would help anything. But yeah, we won't know till a gas station's built and cross that bridge when we get there. Yeah. But, uh,
there's many many reasons that can take your property values down and it's not necessarily something like this. Um, no, I agree. So, I just know from myself and the rest of the people that I've talked to that most people wouldn't want to live within 100 yards of a gas station
that's open 24 hours a day with a car wash that's 200 feet from our house when we have three gas stations in town already plus the Dollar General and car wash. And you're going to well plus the the money that was just spent at the wets's car wash to do that. I don't know
how many people will continue to use that car wash when you go to Quick Trip and get your groceries not go to Mac and Tunes. I think it works both ways. I mean um Quick Trip is a very big company as we all know, very successful. Um they
must see something that we aren't seeing because they certainly wouldn't be wanting to build here and put in a car wash if they thought it's going to be detrimental. It will hurt them too. Yeah, I I mean I would agree to disagree with that because if I don't know if
Quick Trip really cares if Wetsie's car wash goes out of business or not or I would assume that they wouldn't because that's Sure. Please. I would like to speak to that because we have over 900 stores with car washes with homes
directly in especially in our smaller communities that are 2500 people. We are directly across from neighbors. Um I actually pulled up a whole list and can give you guys a list if you want to go check of ones that are directly across
like how we're here and where unfortunately if there's existing business businesses. The reason we will look at certain communities is because we feel that there is a need for an all-encompassing all
um providing service 24 hours. You have children, parents walk into our store at 12:00 at night wanting medicine, wanting milk, wanting diapers. We have service people in the nursing, doctor, police, fire, bartenders who want to be able to
come in and get decent food to be able to bring home to make meals. Um, we have no intent of ever trying to put someone out of business, but the feedback when I'm asked to look at a community, the feedback is, you know what, our car rushes are always broken. Our pumps, I
just got a text just as an example the other day in a community. All their These pumps had yellow bags on them. They're the text was literally, "Can you please get a quick trip here as soon as possible?" This happens multiple times throughout the year where and they're
not the only gas provider, but it's one of a few. So, our goal is not to do that, but because we do do daily deliveries on gasoline, we do deliveries on food. The store is always going to have what people need. That's our goal. Our goal is service to the community,
not to never put anyone out, but the goal is to provide a decent service that people can rely on, especially those in the second and third shift um jobs that we feel that's an important person. Also, we don't want them feeling like we
don't care about that customer, which we do a lot. So, okay. Thank you. Okay. Again, I'll say I'll agree to disagree. I mean, I don't I mean, I just it is what it is. It's it's just that
those those stations and things like that have to be somewhere and it was set up before that development even started. It was to be this way. So, I mean, I think and they're putting the BM up there and the fence and Well, the BM's already there. Yeah. So, I mean, it's
not like that. I I had my misgivings, too. Uh, from what I understand, Quick Trip puts a lot into the research as far as like the noise pollution and how they actually handle that too to basically make it as small a footprint as possible, especially if it's going to be that close to the house since the BMSBMS, the the shrubbery and and
landscaping trees in the front. Uh, I know the only question I really had were the trees. Are the trees going to be large enough and or there enough to block again view from say what is that street? 15th uh from those uh duplexes, the duplex that's kind of down from that. what's southeast. Um that that's
my was my really only question for it. Yeah, I we'd have to look at the right what's going to be there. Yeah, I mean it's we do the best we can with trees going all around um the whole property. So as they age and as they grow um that
they will provide blockage and provide but the goal is not to totally make it also a hazard for visibility when people are pulling out and got to sneak their nose out and try and look behind look past a huge tree. The other thing I will say in regards to noise um is no big
semis will be able to get into this site. This is a this is a community site. This is not an interstate site. This is not does not have a side diesel canopy, which I will say on some of the stores that I looked today that are directly across from houses, there are diesel canopies in front of those homes.
Now, do I do I necessarily agree with that? Maybe not. But there are communities where we have side diesel canopies in front of directly in front of homes, but this site, no, we did not want to do that to this community. That is that was not part of the option. So,
no big trucks will be coming in besides our own delivery truck and besides our own gas truck. Okay. I guess my other question would be traffic coming in and out on 19. There's no turn lanes there from either east or
westbound. I don't know if anybody's tried to get out of 15th in the morning from like 6:00 to 7:30, but sometimes it can be a bit ridiculous. Mhm. And then now if adding I don't know how many people frequent the quick trip store in the morning from those time but I would
assume quite a few more is you're adding that much that entrance is pretty wide. It could just get painted and and you could have better in and out turns and that's coming off of 19 as well. I
mean the entrance to the Nestro Park has a turn lane in each direction. Okay. I don't know if this if they're doing anything with that or if we're just going to leave it. And as of right now, it's not proposed to do anything to uh
highway 19. We can't highway 19 state highway, right? Yeah. And just to step back, I believe it was 26 or 27 trees they're plant proposed to plant correct around the site. Okay. Um, I know there was discussion at our
uh staff meetings, development staff meetings as far as a turn lane on 15th into the site. It does widen up uh what the north end of 15th Avenue. Okay.
All right. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Yeah. Out of curiosity, do you have a standby generator in your or not. I would need to find out. Power goes out. So, I was wondering. I think we do. All right. Thank you.
Good evening. I'm Jenny Butler. Thank you so much for hearing me tonight. I live at 21415th Avenue Southeast along with my husband. We were the second house on that road. Um we built right around the time the the zoning got
changed. um it was like October 2004 uh time frame. So just curious, we are going to be listing our homes soon to sell. This is one reason we're doing that. Um there's been a lot of inferences about property
values decreasing, increases, increasing, so on and so forth. I don't want to make any assumptions, but I know when we list, we'll get questions from buyers as to that. And I'm wondering maybe Lisa if you if Quick Trip has done
any studies that I can reference on property values in the areas that are positive, negative, whatever the data is. I just want the data to be able to pass along to folks looking to buy our house. I will look into it. Okay, that's
all I have. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Okay, anybody else? That's one, two, three, four people and no swear words. That's pretty. So, so Mr. Chair, just to pivot back to the public hearing for the the preliminary
plat and final plat. Um, that's what we're the that's what we're talking about right now. Um, do you want to make a motion and close this first public hearing? Yes, we do. Anybody want to make a motion? Motion. Motion. and the
two mics. Mike Harding, Mike Kane, Kenny. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. All right. So, we will open the public hearing land use application 2025
03 conditional use permit, city code, chapter 153, B2, highway business service 6C, commercial car wash and deconvenience facility. Cori. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Members of the commission, uh, action required here, uh, review and
consider approval of land use application 2025-03, conditional use permit, city code chapter 153, B2 highway and B and business service. Uh, number six, uh, C, commercial car wash, and D, convenience
facility. Um background, Lisa Watson, Quicktrip uh real estate manager, lot one block one, Willow Creek Commons fifth edition submitted land use application 20253 on April 29th, 2025 and a conditional use application CUP
2025-03 on May 1st, 2025. According to city code 153 uh B2 highway and business zoning district, a conditional use permit is required for conditional use.
Uh number six, commercial car wash and D convenience facility. Quickrip is requesting approval of the cup to move forward with the purchase of lot one block one creek comments fifth edition. The B2 highway
and commercial car wash uh comply with city code. Staff have proceeded with the issuance of the mandatory 10-day public hearing notification which is advertised in the law and still area news review commencing May 8th, 2025 and mail the
public hearing notice letter to property uh owners within 350 ft of lot one block one. uh public if public comments were received during the notice period, staff will present them um at the planning and zoning commission tonight. Uh during the
public comment time period, uh there was uh uh two visitors uh this is two visitors that came to my office. uh one was Steve Churnney who was in that also in that neighborhood and we had a conversation about uh he was requesting
if it was a possibility to uh increase or add um additional screening on the east side uh running uh up and down 15th Avenue. So I just want to go on record and uh
make sure that the planning commission is aware that uh Mr. attorney did swing in and was requesting additional screening. Uh a few days last Friday, I've received a neighbor or a resident
uh who um lives directly across uh of the proposed site on Connecticut Drive. Uh her name is Barbara. She came in and she's like, "Corey, I know I've talked to you quite a bit about getting permits for fences and and retaining
walls. I just need to know the truth. And someone in the nurse, she received, she asked me, she wanted to know if I put a um a flyer in her door handle. And I said, Barb, the city did not insert a
a flyer in a door handle and the you received my public public hearing notification. So, she just wanted to confirm uh the facts um about seeing the schematics which Lisa just uh previewed uh in the um in
her uh intro into the pre and final plat and just confirming like I said the facts uh for the uh for the convenience or for the operations and then as you have in front of you I received on
Friday uh a request from Joy Churnney uh at that address on that request. Um she wanted to make sure that I got this to the PL or moved it to the planning and zoning commission uh as soon as possible. Um I did send that
email out to the members to the commission that afternoon so they could uh review in advance. Uh Mr. Chair, I'm not sure uh do you want to go through the comments? I I think we should of her letter. Yes, I think we should. Joel, you want to
read them or you want me to? Uh, I can. Sure. It doesn't matter. Okay. Uh, states that she's opposed to the Quick Trip to be located so close to houses on Connecticut. You may not realize how close they are. Um, please go take a look in person. Uh, keep in
mind that Quick Trip is a 247 business and across from residential houses. That means This would be 247 excess traffic. Um, you know, I guess my responses are are in red. Gas stations in town are closer
than Quick Trip. Then is being proposed to these residential lots. Um, when we negotiated the purchase agreement, um, we had put in there that there will be no access to Connecticut. Uh, Quick followed through on that. Um, as you can see by what's being proposed, no
accesses to Connecticut. Uh, 247 light pollution. Um, as the community development planner said, the lighting plan complies with the city code and no more than 0.5 foot candles at the property line. Um, I know with their submittals, they included a um a color
visual of what that lighting looks like. It's a little different than trying to read a bunch of numbers on a on a map. Um, so as you can see from from that map or the the lighting plan, um, there's no light pollution that extends past the
the property lines. Gas pumps and vehicles going in and out 24/7 additional noise, 24/7 unknown passerbys to the area. Uh, all gas pumps in Lawndale are 247. Uh, Casey's used to be open 24/7 several
times, not anymore. Um and then access from Commerce Drive and 15th if going to Quick Trip. Um you know, in in theory there there should be no reason to go past that. Now, we've heard that people do go down Connecticut. Um I think it's
a good idea to put some type of signage near that intersection that says no outlet or or something like that. I alo had the same conversation with the police chief on Commerce Drive as far as uh vehicles going and and turning around in the the PD parking lot.
Uh then look how many empty lots are along Highway 19 and along Commerce Drive that are not immediately next to houses. Please do your own investigating. Don't take the word of the city administrator that those are other long-term empty lots are are spoken for. Uh there is a a vacant lot
next to uh Dollar General um that is vacant. Uh as was stated earlier, the city owns from that east to uh Garfield uh between Highway 19 and Commerce Drive. Um my understanding if there's an interested business that is would take
the whole parcel. So I'm not sure if that lot is is available for for this uh anymore. And then the other lots in the business park are zoned out too uh which uh gas stations and car washes are not permitted or accessory accessory
uses. Frankly, the decision to locate Quick Trip A buting Connecticut Drive is the most thoughtless possible kind of business to place directly across from the street and Kitty Corner from residential area. Uh she talks about other locations along Commerce. We just went over that.
Uh the strip of land along Connecticut Drive, housing has been uh repurchased and reszoned several times, making it impossible for the average resident to know what the city's going to do. uh that the strip of property was never expected to be zoned for such intrusive commercial activities. Well, as I stated
earlier, it was platted and zoned B2 for over 20 years. So, it clearly was the intent that this was going to be commercial. Uh it was owned by a developer, Bakan Development. They uh developed Willow Creek Heights. Uh I believe they owned it previous to 04,
but 04 to09. uh market tanked and it went back to Bremer Bank until 2014. Uh from there it was purchased by an investment group OP3 and in 2023 or excuse me 2020 the city purchased uh all
10 acres up there with anticipation of constructing our PD. Uh in 23 uh the city received interest from a investor looking to construct rental town houses and then we also um received interest from uh a
gentleman that wanted to construct a business or um uh a commercial daycare there. City went out for proposals, accepted the proposal for uh a daycare. Um, and well, as was stated at the uh the April 24th city council
meeting, that developer has and is still trying to pursue uh a daycare center at at that location. If the city proceeds with this plan, there must be mitigation considerations for the houses both west and east of 15. 247 noise from the car
wash, 24/7 lights of the pumps, constant noise. Uh as was stated earlier, uh there is not a diesel canopy for semis. Uh will not be uh like the big steer. This is not going to be living next to a truck stop off of
the interstate. Uh as was stated earlier, taking into account screening a bur and a fence on the south side. Uh as of now, there is no burn proposed on the east side of the lot for 15th Avenue. Um you can see that they are proposing a
sidewalk which would be a continuation of our trail system um north from Connecticut on 15th to to Commerce. Uh there's been a car wash um located there since ' 07 with no mitigation and complaints uh about noise
traffic. Uh as was stated earlier, Quick Trip will face the same direction as as the existing car wash. In no way should there be an exit on the 15th Avenue. the only extra should come off a complex. Well, we talked about the flow of the internal
traffic pattern of of the site. And then um southbound, if you're coming off of Highway 19 going south on 15th Avenue and you turn into the uh the site, your headlights would go onto the houses that
are west of 15th Avenue. Uh with the burm and the the fence there. Uh southbound, there shouldn't be any headlights turning east because they would go to the to the west. Um, and again,
uh, never say never. Um, but you know, as far as people turning around in people's driveways, that that shouldn't happen, but it can. Yep. You never know. Uh, should this reszoning be approved, it will uh open the door to put other
intrusive forms of businesses across the street. Uh, as a reminder, when Mr. to be repurchased the east side back from the city. Uh we were told there would be a nice little daycare there, but that didn't happen. Uh there are also many other kinds of businesses to butt up the houses, businesses that would be quiet,
respectful, and neat and are needed. For example, professional buildings, a pharmacy, a medical clinic, the library, daycare, uh even something like a HVAC building. Uh this is not a reszone, right? The proposed site has been zoned B2 since 04.
It's currently conditional use for both a commercial car wash and a convenience facility. Uh it should also be noted that Gary Cooper never owned this parcel. Um the city purchased it from OP3, a developer, and then solicited
proposals um from someone who wanted to build rental townous which were rejected by some of the neighbors there. Mhm. So, the city chose to go with a com uh purchaser that was interested in building a commercial daycare or a daycare there.
Uh, finally, does Lawndale actually need more convenience stores? This was brought up earlier in in the meeting. Um, I believe we're all for capitalism. Let the market decide. Uh, gas pumps don't always work. Um, I think just the other day, last week,
Casey's in Londale ran out of gas. Um, you sell gas. I don't know how that happens. Uh car washes, Wetsy, uh beautiful facility seems to be busy quite often, which is is what we want to
see. Yep. Um at the time that that was uh constructed, it well prior to going to the approval process, that was not a permitted use. the the city amended the planned unit development agreement to allow a car wash in at that
location. Uh and anyone that goes to the Silver Bullet knows we're down to two stalls now and there's always a line to get in there. Uh Lawndale car and Pet Wash. Uh I'll let social media speak for that. I don't Yeah. Yeah. Uh if everyone else wants a
quick trip in town, the proposed location is mean-spirited action to the residents nearby uh as well as thoughtless and unnecessary. It's certainly not the intention of the city or staff to be mean-spirited. We have a business that wants to locate into town and has
followed the process to apply for the applicable uh preliminary final platal use permits. they're going about it the right way. Um, and have taken into account probably the one of the biggest concerns, just
screening. Um, we should be working with businesses that want to locate here um on a partic that does allow convenience stores and and commercial car washes. Exactly. And I'm sure there's other businesses if they were thinking of coming here, they're watching this very
closely. Well, and that's um another conversation that we've had as well. Um Miss Watson actually attended our last EDA meeting to talk about other potential economic development opportunities that are spurred when a a Quick Trip is located uh or where they
locate. They have kind of the standard um businesses that like to be next next to Quick Trips um because they like to a lot of traffic. It's traffic. It's visibility. um you know, whatever you're getting your new tires or an oil change,
you can go to Quick Trip and hang out there. They've got the new um design with the interior cafe area or seating area and and outside as well. So, and I also did include stuff from Beacon, so don't take my word for it.
You can go to Beacon and get all this information. Um and then did include a map of the proposed site and then the lots that that are available. Um the letters on the the property that the city owns. It's just CI for commercial
industrial. Otherwise, everything south of commerce is um I2 medium industrial. All right. If there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Anyone? Sure. Just can I just make a comment? He did say that uh that they
were going to put up notification that there is a no outlet. That's already there. I was making a point to say I want some sort of reflective. I don't want to rely on someone to read a sign while they're looking at the brand new Quick Trip driving by. Okay? I
want if they turn, I want them to know right away that there isn't a through road there. So that let's say at 3:00 in the afternoon, kids get off the bus, someone doesn't take that turn at 40 miles an hour and smoke someone coming off the bus. So there's already a no
outlet. It it it has gone down, but when there's hail, when there's wind damage, when there's contractors coming through town, they don't care, right? They need to know. Just like on the opposite side, on
the east side, if you take a left at that forward, at the end of that road where the new air filter plant is, there is red X's or or caution signs that show that that is not an a road. So, the same thing
would same thing on the other side. Throw up a type three barricade. Sounds good. Absolutely. Not an issue. Okay. They'll take care of it. Yes. have a question, but um I just wanted to make a comment. If you had young kids,
obviously my kids are here. Do you want a gas station with multiple people coming in and out with loud noises? I get that. They have it protected. They tell you all this wonderful stuff that
the lights are going to be shiny. My kids room is literally straight across from where it is. So now I have to worry about my child being woken up like what people car alarms getting car washes in
the middle of the night. Random people hanging out there. The car wash across the street used to be a drug hangout. Random people. Is that going to bring more you know random people just sitting there coming to our house um through that area. We're at the end of the
street where we want this barricade. I mean we get random people all the time walking through there. questions or concerns or questions, but this is my concerns about this. Okay. Do you Lisa, do you want to live across a
quick trip with young kids? So now I have to worry about the people that are going to be coming through there. It's it's very common for us to be around a lot of residential. Um it is in almost every project we do, we are
around residential. The one in is chaos. I work in the new is absolutely chaos. Do you know the amount of cars coming in and out of there? This is coming off the 15th and 19th. It is already bad. So now let's
make it even worse. I see the one in terrible that's brand new. It's horrible. Can I Can I Absolutely. Part of the issue if a car wash or place attracts people who hang out there, that's due to
no lights, no decent security, no one watching. We actually want our police and other people of the community to be on our site. It is actually a very common hangout for our local police and sheriffs to come to our store because
one, we're one of the few places open where they can get something to get coffee, get hot food at night and they will tend to hang out and we welcome them to hang out and we ask them to hang out because we don't it's a deterrent and that is also why though we have
lighting although it's all LED but lighting deters people from doing bad things. It's part of the biggest reason why we have what I call well lit. So one, if a mom comes in, it's not going to sleep because it's well lit. It's not
our light pollution stays on our site. Our light pollution stays on our site. We have the light metrics to measure so that it does not go off the actual acreage of the site. And as I stated when I presented, you see the light away
just like you just like if you pull in You're going to see a glow. You're not going to see the actual like this light fixture. You're not going to see it. If your child looks out your window, you're not seeing the actual top of it is up and in the canopy. So that it's actually
not physically visible from the street. None of the lights on our business are actually physically visible from a if you look straight on, you're not going to see the big ball. You won't be able to see the trip sign. You'll see it lit up just like any other
sign like a light. So you can Yeah. But those are also LEDs. So again, it's not going to be this. I The reason I mentioned Holiday, Holiday does not use LED. Holiday uses fluorescent red and blue stripes are blue stripes. The worst
color, do the research yourself that you can use on a fluorescent bulb. The reason we do red and we have LEDs is because and we have a sign guy who specifically does our signage who looked at what's the least again that's going to carry off. We don't want light
pollution off of our site. We want people to feel safe. You as a mom, I would not want you to drive in our lot and not have appropriate lighting so that when people come in, oh, someone can potentially drive up, sneak up on you and and have something happen. No,
our goal is that people any age feel safe going onto our lot. And that would that would be the first thing that we want to make sure police and anyone who works the the third and second shift feel comfortable coming into our site.
So I I can only attest to that the stores that we currently have and because we're in such neighbor residential areas, we again we use all the same metrics to make sure our light stays on our lot.
Um, the other thing I was going to mention, Joe, Sure. is the car wash. Um, there's going to talk about the car wash. We actually are doing a car wash app. So, as a parent, as someone who doesn't want to get out in the thunderstorm, people will be able to purchase a car wash from their app on
their quick rewards phone and be able to drive right up and get in by using the app and not having to go into the store. Does the uh proposal go all the way to that um water runoff? The lot the lot
the way it's staked out. There's like a little drainage ditch and we're not we're not impeding on the drainage ditch. But I'm saying is there ability to to fence that off? Can you fence that off and then have the drainage ditch not build it up or nothing, but can you white panel fence it? I I would have to
look at the side pan, but we can look at it along that left side, that west side. Just do the from the garbage can all the way up to Commerce Drive. Can you sense that off? I will look at it because then people driving by other than the police officers that are going to go as far
west on that road possible, no one would even know that there's homes behind them if they can't see them. Okay. As far as safety and and just at least looks. So,
okay. Good point. All right. Anything else? All right, Mr. Chair, I'm looking for a motion here to uh close public hearing land use application 2025-03 conditional use permit city code
chapter 153 B2 highway and business service 6 commercial car wash and D convenience facility. Do we have a motion you guys? Motion. We have a motion by Tim. Second. Second by
Mike Ku. All in favor? I I all opposed. Motion passes. All right. And Mr. Chair, I'm uh requesting that we move forward to uh number 10, new business uh and go through A, B, and C. Uh since we're on
the topic of um Quick here tonight. Sounds good. You guys all right with that? Yep. Okay. All right. We'll go to new B new business. Consider approval of land use application 2025-03 Willow Creek Commons fifth edition preliminary and final plat. Uh
thank you Mr. Chair. Uh the Willow Creek Commons fifth edition preliminary and final plat one block one was reviewed prior to the agenda uh item under public hearing. The commission should consider public comments received prior or at the
meeting. Uh staff is seeking the recommendation. Staff is seeking the commission to consider approval of the Willow Creek preliminary and final plating lot one block one for the city council approval at the May 29th uh
meeting options uh available for the planning commission do not consider approval of land use application 2025-03 Willow Creek Commons fifth edition preliminary and final plat one block one and then there's a lot of repeats in our packet tonight as far as support
material Uh attachments land use application 2025-03 city lawn sale final plat application public hearing notice city code 15221 data for preliminary plat 15222 data for final plat and then Willow
Creek Commons fifth edition uh preliminary plat and uh fifth edition uh final plat. So uh Mr. Chair, I'm looking for a recommend or a motion tonight to consider approval to move this forward to uh the May 29th uh city council
meeting. All right, commissioners, sneak peace, you see something wrong with it? I mean, I I think quick trip, you know, with the the fence on the south side, um, putting
the trees there, the BM. I mean, I think that's the biggest concern is the traffic, the lights on the south side for the residents. I think they've taken care of that and address that lighting. There's no diesel pumps there. So, that's no semi coming in there. That's another big
concern. I mean I think I think that second safety sign up uh like the gentleman was saying to I want that extended down commerce. Yeah. I think that if it's possible and agreeable I think that would be
a good Yeah. Yeah. Connecticut. Sorry. Yeah. It's just a good idea. Mike um honestly for me it's bringing in Quick Trip. It's going to force Casey's and everybody else to either step up their game or half the time pumps ain't working. And I don't
know if anybody else, but I go to to Jesse's and I get 91 non ox. It's still got the sticker says do not use on it. Are you planning on having 91 nonox in there? We'll actually have 88 and we'll probably have 91
because I know a lot of people in town do side by sides and lawnmowers and that. Yep. I did have a question a quick trip related question uh for employee what's the the youngest uh individuals that you employ for quickrip I believe it's 16 okay because that's what I want
to know for literally youth in lndale having there's you don't get a lot of that often where they are first jobs again yep and they are eligible for the bonus at the end of the year like any other employee so they will they will receive a profit sharing check at the
end of the year we also and I didn't mention this as part of our employment We um employ um what we call physically and mentally disabled and it's a huge part of our program actually and they are employed with us
and are a huge part of what we do. So Okay, that's just that. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Jeremy, you got anything to say about it? No, I I think the the biggest my biggest concern is is like all the rest of the families that that live over there is the traffic, right?
the traffic that it brings. So, if we can stomp that down, um, you know, with traffic signs and whatnot or barriers or whatever, um, I feel a bit more comfortable for these families. Okay. Point.
All right. I think we're worried about crime. Just put a bigger police sign on the end of the street there. I imagine you have plenty of surveillance cameras on site. So, all right. We would need a motion, gentlemen, if you're ready to do so, to
accept what Corey had read off. Move it on to the uh city council. Motion. We have a motion by Mike Harding. Second it. Second by Tim Kesh. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries.
Okay. Thank you very much. So, we'll move on from that to back to actually, Mr. Mr. Chair, we're going to continue on with uh new business 10B. Okay. Uh consider approval Sorry. Y consider approval of land use application
2025-03 conditional use permit city code chapter 153 B2 highway and business service 6 and C commercial car wash and D convenience facility. Uh the land use application 2025-03 conditional use
permit city code 153 B2 highway and business service 6 uh C commercial car wash and D convenience facility was reviewed prior to the agenda item under public hearing. The commission should consider public comments received prior or at the meeting. Uh recommendation
tonight staff is seeking the commission to consider approval of land use application conditional use permit city code chapter 153 B2 highway and business service 6 uh C commercial car uh wash and the convenience facility for the
city council to approve at the May 29th 2025 meeting. uh option uh available for the planning commission. Uh do not consider approval of land use application conditional use permit city code. You know the routine here chapter
153B2 uh highway and business service 6C commercial car wash and deconvenience facility. In the packet tonight, uh, for support materials is land use application 2025-03, conditional use permit 202503,
the public hearing notice, and city code B2 highway and B2 highway business service. Uh, Mr. Chair. Okay. Comments? We're all fine. Y, makes good sense. All right. We need a motion, gentlemen. I'll
make a motion. We have a motion by Jeremy. Second. Second by Mike Conu. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. So, the only condition being imposed is installation of the type 3 barricade on Connecticut. Yes. Okay.
That we remember, right? There's nothing else brought up, right? No. Okay. And we'll move on to C. review and consider approval of land use application QuickRip Incorporated, 1400 Commerce Drive Southeast. Uh thank you uh Mr.
Chair and members of the commission. Uh Lisa did a wonderful job uh describing the project, the site plan. Um it's wonderful to have her here to tonight to answer questions. Uh so this is our internal review. So, I'm uh letting the
planning and zoning commission know that this was thoroughly reviewed uh internally with the city administrator, public works director, city engineer uh and myself. So, the city lawn uh did a very thorough job. We worked uh quick
trip uh team was wonderful to work with and uh we're doing everything possible uh to prov to provide the facts tonight. um overview. Um oh, I want to let you know all fees, all escros have been
paid. We are on target and and 100% compliant uh with the project. Uh overview, as Lisa stated before, the applicant uh Quick Trip real estate manager, Lisa Watson, thank you for being here tonight, is uh proposing to purchase and locate Quick Trip on the
2.2 2 acres of vacant property. Um the city property, the proposed parcel project will consist of a 9,176 foot convenience facility. Uh the project will bring 25 to 35 new jobs,
permanent part-time jobs to town and help diversify the tax base. Based on convenience facility, they comply with city code. Uh location. Uh so at at this time in Beacon it's 1400 Commerce Drive Southeast. A new address will uh is will
be to be determined as we covered in the pre and uh final plat here. Uh legal description current is lot one block one will create comments fourth edition and we approve changing that to fifth edition. Uh parcel ID 1
1925429001 owner applicant the property owner will be Quicktrip in Incorporated. The applicant is Quick Trip uh store the Okay, the Quick Trip store engineer is uh Emily Hellwig. Uh the sale and closing of that property will be mid
June 2025 after all city approvals um uh happen uh which is a purchase agreement which is a purchase agreement uh in the contract. uh engineer they brought in Bolton Mink completed the
survey and plat work uh request the applicant is requesting site plan approval to allow a new 9,176 square foot building which would house a convenience store and car wash uh this is the semantics going through here the building dimensions
uh it's very comparable to the new city hall the footprint uh as far as the building size uh neighbor um it's another it meets the building design standards uh constructed with block structure brick um facade uh pavement
there's 50,000 a little over 50,000 square feet road access as we talked about earlier tonight for uh ingress egress access from commerce drive southeast and 15th Avenue Southeast uh signs Lisa covered the sign package with
the LED lights uh non-intrusive um with her sign with her propos with her with their lighting plan as I stated, exterior or exterior colors you saw in the presentation. Green metal roof, almond fascia and sulfate. uh fuel
canopy as she mentioned uh fueling station 16 pumps. Uh as you saw the detail in the in the in the um images, picnic area, retail space, commercial kitchen, walk-in cooler, freezers, men's and women's restroom and changing
tables. There's a family restroom in there, office, break room, delivery, loading area, product storage area, landscaping and provide and landscaping. We've heavily talked about that. Um along Connecticut Drive southeast and
the number of tree plantings 26 lighting plan uh provided um awning building nine exterior light poles signage uh provided two building signs. This is all in your attachments. That's why this packet is so thick tonight.
Um parking uh 40 they're uh parking number uh that they're proposing 40 uh 47 parking stalls. Uh they meet the requirement required is 24. Subject property is current vacant land owned by
the city. The property is zoned as follows. We heavily talked about this tonight. B2 highway and B uh business and business service district. uh the approved uses that were uh that the commission is recommending to move forward for approval at uh city council
meeting on the 29th commercial car wash and convenience facility. Uh as far as setbacks requirements, they're compliant compliant with B2 setbacks. Um gentlemen, you see this here minimal lot
area, 10,000 square feet. They come in at 96,000. uh the lengths, the widths, uh maximum height just at just if you're wondering maximum height of the building is about or 24 and a half ft tall. Uh they meet
front, rear, side and side setbacks. Uh comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan land use map guides the subject property as B2 highway and B and business district pro the proposed project will increase and diversify the
lawn sale tax base bring new jobs to town approximately 25 to 35 new permanent jobs part-time full-time allow new businesses to town become operational and meet their timeline uh utilities they with their drainage plan they meet the requirement of the
city engineer Uh they're connecting to a 6-in water service to lot one block one sanitary sewer 6 in uh which also the city engineer approved. Uh based upon the zoning requirements staff engineer building inspectors review for
compliance recommend consider to approval uh to city council. Um not going to go through all the attachments here tonight. Uh but if you do have any questions for staff or especially with Lisa here uh with us tonight, please
feel free to ask. So Mr. or um Mr. Chair. Okay. Thank you, Corey. All right. Comments, guys. What number does this make trip stores?
I'd have to look, but we're we're crossing the the 900. So I believe and this is in the 26. So I believe we'll be over the 900 mark at that point. Okay.
Well, I'll tell you if I heard bad things about it, I I don't remember when about Quick Trip. I've always heard nothing but good. And to attest to that is a lot of towns, I think even New Prague has two of them. They wouldn't bring the second one
in if they if it wasn't a good thing on the first one. So, um, gentlemen, we need a we need a motion. I'll make a motion. Tim, second by Mike Harding. All in favor? I. All opposed?
Motion carries. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, commissioners. Now, we can move over to the old business. Actually, uh, Mr. chair. Uh let's continue on uh with um item uh
10 10B uh review and discuss digital billboard proposal. I know that Frederickson has been patiently waiting in the audience here tonight. Um so let me begin with uh
attendee. Uh and this is so review and discuss digital billboard proposal. So uh at Mayor Berg reached out to staff via email on April 5th, 2025 requesting the commission to review and discuss
outdoor advertising device billboard uh proposal submitted by Circle City Outdoor Minnesota. The proposal includes a billboard being installed on the northern edge of the lot immediately east of the Dollar General store. The
billboard sign specification include consists of a single pole, double-sided steel structure, height of 25 ft, add space measuring 10 ft x 20 ft uh steel pole set in a 36-in wide 10t deep
concrete footing. Comply with the Minnesota Department of Transportation requirements. Uh Circle City Outdoor Minnesota assumes all material insulation electroconivity costs. So, there's several parts of this. I know that I when I talked to the mayor,
he's just looking for support of uh the digital deal or the digital billboard uh proposal. And council member of I know that you've been involved in this discussion also. So, if you want to add in uh tonight, uh please do. Uh but
there are some procedures here because as far as a proposal goes um it's not meeting our sign our sign ordinance. So first thing first was that would that we'd have to come back and uh the planning commission would have to review
the sign um city code as you gentlemen know uh schedule a public hearing. Yeah. And then it would go to city council. So, I do want to make sure that that is clearly stated tonight and the commission is aware of that
procedure. Um, as far as um dynamic large dynamic signs are not permitted within the city at this time and the um Dwayne in the proposal will be asking to increase that the size
of the digital sign also. So, since we talked about signs tonight, um, we talked about, well, there's a new there's a city hall sign going here. Across the road is a quick trip monument sign. Then we got the Dollar General
sign. And then there's that lot right after the Dollar General sign. And in that north, I believe in that norththeast corner, uh, that would be the proposed site of the, uh, digital uh, billboard. Okay. So, council member
of Ovka, uh, what am I missing here? The fact that he's going to give money back to the city. So, this would be a good opportunity for Dwayne. Mr. Chairman, members of the planning commission, my name is Dwayne Frederickson. I live in Northfield,
Minnesota. Um, I've been very familiar with Lawndale that uh played ball over here as a young man. Um, usually got whooped up on by Lawndale, but whatever. Um, I was also a member of the Chamber
of Commerce. Uh, and uh, last year that I was a member of the Chamber of Commerce was I was the president of the Chamber of Commerce. So, I've dealt with a lot of local businesses and uh, Londale is a wonderful spot. So, we have
uh trying to uh go I guess look at the concept tonight. I don't think we're really up for a vote. Um but the let me just tell you the primary reason why I'm here. Um we really strive to support local business. Uh the last two
locations we put up were in Gaylord, Minnesota. So, a little bit west of here. And um I can I can I can tell you all these things, but I guess the proof is in the pudding. What is it that I do? What's the performance? And in Gaylord,
they had this almost an exact copy of what we're doing here. Um they had an ordinance that did not um allow for u more outdoor advertising available for outdoor advertising structures. um they looked at it, they changed their ordinance, they changed the zoning on
particular piece of property, and then I worked with staff uh to put together uh very comprehensive code uh for such things. And essentially what it did is that it prevented other outdoor advertisement companies from coming in.
Um, you might look at that as a monopoly, but I guess the way I look at it is that uh if you get uh too many of them is a bad thing. And we don't want to uh clutter things up, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Um, and back to
the uh what it is uh that we do and um the proofing in the performance. Um so this is a list of local advertisers, local uh communities that we have in the area. And if you look at the bottom that's got
one of these I can share. Thank you. Um if you look at the bottom uh listing there, it's uh Gailard Advertisers. It's auto owners insurance, Michael Foods, um the Echo, uh E coffee
company, and Wheeland Realers. Um they're all their business address is Gaylord and they live uh those companies other than Michael Foods, which is the prime is the largest uh employer in this city. Um are downtown and they're not on
Highway 5. That's the main thoroughare. And the reason they wanted it is basically the reason why we exist. Um is to we look at these rivers of commerce, Highway 5, Highway 19, and um we try to
take some of that traffic and steer it towards local business. That's our main business philosophy. So those companies that I just mentioned were not on Highway 5, but they're within two to three blocks. And so what it did is they saw the opportunity there and they
jumped on. In fact, we have a waiting list right now of local all local advertisers. Uh we've done the same thing in Montgomery, Lenter, Lawndale, we can add to that list. Green, New Prague,
uh Dundus, Farmington. So um there are no moving parts. Uh we're not allowed by law to do that. Um it's indirect lighting in the sense that if This is your sign. You can view it from here, but over here you can't. And here
you wouldn't even know it's on. So, it's re it's a recess diode inside of a um Oh, it's it's called a what is it? LED and a whole assemb assembly so that um so that it decreases your um the angle
at which you can read them. Um, so as far as uh income to the city, um, first of all, I just wanted to make it uh, I don't know if you had 10 by 20 or 10 by 30 um, on your notes, but 10 by 30 is a standard size that we've got. Um, we'd like to keep that the same. Um,
it's 10 ft high, 30 ft wide. It's on a single monopole, so there's one upright. Um, the color, they're painted Oliver green just because I like Oliver tractors. Um, we got one when I was a kid and I just thought it was the best piece of
machinery in the world. So that's why, um, let's see what else we got here. Um, let's talk about income to the city. Um, well, first of all, we have got this put together in such a way that we can take a portion of the inventory
that we have. Uh, the ads will change every 8 seconds. So, it's actually 7.799, I think it is. Um, but roughly every 8 seconds, we will rotate to another one. And again, there's not going to be any motion to it. It's one then on to the next one. Um, we would
take a portion of that inventory and then it would go towards the city of Lawndale to support things like the Chamber of Commerce. Um, uh, their events that they have in town. Um, and in fact, we have a letter uh from Shana
at the Londale Chamber of Commerce supporting us. Um, or for mandates maybe that the city um is going to have certain things that are going on to make uh citizens aware of like elections um
or certain maybe water restrictions, things like that. And then the so there's a benefit for you that way. And then the uh income is there's two kind of ways we can look at it. One would be
on a space available it would and then if we did it that way um then it would be 20% of whatever it is we bring in would go right directly back to the city. Uh the other way is um is where you would have a designated spot and
then it would be 15% of everything we bring in and we'll give you full auto reports on everything so that you know that what what's going on with it. So one side and I believe the way we'd like to have it is one side coming into town traveling west on Highway 19 is going to
be the digital side and then the other side is referred to as a static side. So there wouldn't be any motion or just a conventional bill on that billboard on that side. Um we're going to pay for all the cost to get the electrical there, all the construction, all the
maintenance. So there is no cost to the city, just benefit. [Music] Um that's most of what I've got. That's the concept. That's the broad version of it. So, I guess I'd like your support on it and uh then we can move on through a
more formal application process. There must be a contract length to it, correct? Yeah, it would be 20 years. 20 years. Y Okay. So, this will be on city property is it would the way it would be structured as I understand we'd like to work it here. Um is that um there would
be a permanent easement on property that is currently owned by the city. Uh and therefore then you can take that property and it doesn't decrease the value of it that you can turn around and sell that to whatever the uses that were mentioned by the folks from Quer. Yeah. I remember reading in here it's a
footprint of what about 6x6 something like that. Uh the footprint is actually about that big. That big. Okay. Yeah. So it's like a large beach ball. Okay. It's a it's a 20in upright pole. And now these the signs you said would face west and east. Yep. Would it be the same
thing on each side of the sign? No, no, I would think so. They're going to be changing but I need and then one of the great things about LEDs uh versus static is that the barriers to entry are lower. So let's say you have like a Barton
pumpkins um they're one of our advertisers in New Craig. For them what they need to do for their first month of operation um when maybe that's the busiest time for them. You need to get a sign face printed up. So you have to have the artwork. you need to get the a vinyl printed and it's going to cost him
right around $650. If the rental for that particular billboard is 500 bucks, you're at $1,150 for one month. That's a lot. Where with digital, what we can do is you still need to have the design, but you don't know need to do any of the uh print and
install of a vinyl. In fact, we can change that design um we can change it monthly, daily, weekly, hourly. So, if you had something some things from the city that you wanted to promote, uh we as long as you give us camera
ready artwork, um we'll just load it up there for you for free and we can promote whatever causes or uh things you might feel worthy. Um I I would like to not sure how we're going to administrate this. Um but I want to make sure that we
have some local uh nonprofits that are going to be involved in it, too. So both sides of the sign would both be local. Uh I don't know that for sure. Okay. Um I mean that's the the digital is going to be as you come into town uh driving
westbound and then the other way uh is going to be static. And if it's at all possible, I want local people to be on it. And that's what we do with all of our business. Now I notice they're all local here. Yeah, they are. But I I
don't want to make any illusion that if I'm it's going to sit empty, that bothers me a lot. So if I've got somebody in Northfield that wants to rent it out for defeat of Jesse James days or whatever it might be, I'm going to do that. So what we do is we give a pricing
preference to local businesses, too. So something that might cost $400 for company XYZ out of Northville is going to cost 300. or whether it might be if it's 600 for Northfield, it's going to be 500 in Bonsdale. So, we've got a two-tiered pricing structure. Do any
cities use them for uh any PSA, the public service announcements for emergencies, tornado warnings, snow? Um, Dacttronics is the manufacturer and we have the ability then to uh link into National Weather Service. And so, we had a tornado come through. I think it's
like five years ago. So, at my age, I try to double things. was probably 10 or 15 years ago. Um but now your modern cell phones do have um notifications for that. Um but um like my kids, they're uh
they don't listen to the radio anymore. They have a pre-programmed playlist and a lot of times it won't interrupt that. So, um yeah, it uh it can bring attention to things that are severe um or sheltered in place, those types of
things. It can alert instantly for that. Okay. What do you see for uh revenue generating that would come back to the city? Well, if we figure uh there's going to be eight total flips.
Um I guess it would be seven depending on how we want to structure the lease. Let's go with eight. It's easy math. It' be 4,000 a month is what the income would be. Uh and then 20% of that is going to be,000 bucks.
Yeah. Yeah. And then of course there'll be some on the static side too. Now that's in a perfect world. Um this the one we have right now in um New Prague, it's going to be set up almost like carbon copy of that. Um and that one right now we have
six advertisers. We have one PSA and um we've got another nonprofit that I put in there. Um uh and then the other side is the static one has been taken by the same company for the last five years I think. So So that 20% of the city that's
in this email here I got from you just now was that that's just ads the of the ads. Yes. Yeah. If we have a nonprofit that's not paying us, we're not going to give you a percentage of that. Right. But is it cash or is it
advertisement of Oh, no. It would be cash. Well, yeah. Not $20 bills. Yes. Like what? Hopefully at least 800 like you said. Yeah. Um, of these other billboards, how many
of these are are the same way where you lease it for it's on city property and you're paying a rent? We don't have any other This would be the first one like this and stuff that you doing it that way. So, and then you're wanting to put it on the the city property. I imagine
the parcel that's closest to 19, the very west end. Is that where they're saying they're thinking? Well, there's there's Dollar General. Yeah. Then there's there's a parcel right to the uh east of that which I think is privately
owned. Yeah. And then so right at the beginning of the public of the city. So then you'd be looking at an easement. How big of an easement do you need from was it commerce there? How wide of easement? I just need to be able to get
in and out of it uh without I mean I'm very cognizant of uh the land owners. I I try to put myself in the business uh of when I'm doing businesses um in number one the people that live next to it um or have their business next to it.
Let's say it's uh Fred's tire uh and repair shop. I don't want to put a gear so that every morning when he goes to work, puts his key in the door, clicks it, and when he's about to open the door, he looks up and sees his competition right there. So, um I mean I would hate that would drive me nuts.
take that care of that, right? Pardon me. He should advertise with you. Then he doesn't have to Well, I try not to hold people hostage. Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. But yeah, I mean, if you want to prevent anybody else from going up there, rent it yourself. But that would bother me, too. So, yeah. Um
I've got uh uh in Dundus, I have a a location which is right next to uh uh Oh, fine cars. Not Yeah, no. Car time. And um I have had numerous advertise uh requests from car dealers and I just
tell them no, I'm not going to do that. So So why would you want to lease it from us there instead of just buy the land and do it yourself? We could do that. I mean, I'm just curious why. Well, because you said if the other ones were
not being difficult, I'm just kind of, you know, as you said, if all these other ones you run, you own yourself. Yeah. And then this one you'd be leasing, I guess, to us. I guess that all came from the fact that I believe that we're kind of more or
less partnering with the city. Okay. Right. That's where the where it's all generated. Just just curious. I just wondering why you walk us through a little bit of like the approval process of you know people that that want to you know purchase the
signage like who who who does the approvals? Is it you? Is there a team that says, "Oh, yeah, I'll approve this." And I'm Yeah. Okay. I don't have a team. Um my one um and my wife's a pretty strong advocate of doing the
right thing, too. So, if I don't, I have a tendency to catch hell when I get home. So, um I don't want that either. Um so, here's the way it worked in Gaylord, our most recent one. Um, we had a number of people call for as soon as we were putting them up before we had
our name plates on it. I don't even know how they got my number. Um, maybe from city hall. And so I keep track of that in order. Uh, then if anybody from Gaylord comes and wants wants more information about it, if they're going
to do it, I tell them straight out, you're going at the top of the list. Because again, um, I want to be able to prove that this is we don't just say it. This is what we do. Um, and we do it consistently. Um, and then I also try to determine where they're at or where
their place of business is because, um, again, it's going to fall into one of the two structures. If you tell them that it's cheaper for somebody that is doing business in Lndale, uh, immediately their first thing they're going to say is, "I'll take it if you give me the same price as someone from
Lawndale." So, I try to determine that as accurately as I can. Once we do that, then um we have a typically they're one-year deals. Um then uh once we agree on the terms of that, that's usually
fairly quick. We go into the art process and then um we require camera ready artwork. So they're going to put the stuff together is what the ad's going to say. Um sign up on all that and then up it goes. So is this your company or do you work for the company? There are two
different companies here. Uh, and it says Frederickson Outdoor Advertising on here, too. Um, I own all of Frederickson Outdoor Advertising, but that's it. Um, I also own a good chunk of Circle City Outdoor Advertising, but I don't own all of it. Um, what we have in Circle City
is a much much larger entity, and we have a retired banker, a retired CPA, retired attorney, and me, an old sign guy. Okay. The reason I ask is you're making some good promises. I like to hear that.
But yeah, where's the signature as you know? So you don't have to go to the Yeah. And I I sign all the documents for everything from the president/general manager. Okay. Now, are they going to be bonded? Let's say, you know, this is in your LLC and
you sell it to next guy. Next guy doesn't run it well and it goes under and stuff. um all a sudden we got a a billboard that's failing out there and um I I've had that come up before and first of all if you find or ever see any billboards that are failing I wish you'd
let me know ahead um because they're they're worth some money um and uh we've bought a number of them from other operators uh and we spend a fair amount of cash um bringing them up to standards and repaying them and making them
profitable. Okay. Anything else, you guys? No, my questions are answered. Okay. What are we looking for here? This is a public hearing. Oh, no, no, no. We're not Yeah, Mr. Chair and, uh, members of the
commission, uh, this is this this is not a public hearing. No, I mean, if we were supposed to motion for one to set one up. Uh we well the first thing is is that I know the mayor and Dave are looking for in support moving this forward as far as um creating this uh
contract that would involve the city administrator, the city attorney. Uh on that end of things as far as the the the contract goes honor what's going to come in front of the planning commission is a zoning text amendment. That's all the role that the planning commission plays. Do we want
him in town? how big how you know how many do we want the square footage of them the location it's a review of the ordinance too the 100% and and I would actually recommend that the whole sign ordinance be be be evaluated
I'm in support um so is it a vote this doesn't seem like a bad idea or is it this seems like a good idea or how does that what do you guys think bad idea good idea I think I think it's
Yeah, I mean as long as like I said over there, you know, it wouldn't obstruct view from the highway or anything like that. I don't think um No, and that that is one of the things that we are cognizant of and that we have we don't have a lot of structure underneath it.
It's that single pole uh and we'll try to keep them this one would probably be about 12 feet above ground level. So even if you're in the semi, you'd have a view underneath it. Okay. So uh Mr. Chair actually, so tonight I'm just looking for a motion uh for the planning
and zoning commission to move forward with the review of uh ordinance or city code 153.079 signs. Okay. And in the minutes it will indicate that the planning and zoning commission is in support
um working with uh Dave and his company. So we have a motion by Jeremy. Second. We have a second by Mike Anu. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Okay, good enough. Thank you very much. Thank you
for your time. All right. Uh, Mr. Chair, all right. Uh, Mr. Chair, uh, it's time to go back to old business. Yes. All right. Old business a review and
discuss ordinance an ordinance to regulate cannabis businesses. All right. Uh, Mr. Chair and commission or planning commission. So, from the last meeting, motion was to schedule public hearing uh for tonight for cannabis. Um I just want
to report back that so much input has come through as far as uh developing this proposed ordinance. So um uh since the April 21st 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting
staff met with local collective micro business applicant abbreviations for heroes sake tonight LCMA who wish to rem remain anonymous. The LCMA lawn sale moment, a local sustainable fully integrated cannabis micro business
proposal was inserted as the attachment in the February 2020 the February 24th, 2025 agenda for the commission to review and discuss. The LCMA is proposing cannabis or cannabis ordinance framework recommendation to align Lndale's
cannabis regulations in Minnesota law uh chapter 342 while promoting responsible business development, protecting public health and safety and creating clear pathways for micro business success. So that's that's a little that's one part about this. I've been
trying to get uh I've been uh reaching out to council members um to get to see what their point of view is. Also, uh I know that um I talked to one council member um he was
not in favor of having it uh zoned in B3, which is downtown. I I talked to another council member about, hey, maybe there should be some buffers in here. And then um council member, I have
not talked to you about it, but I'm hoping that you can help steer the direction of the of the council uh input upon this also tonight during this conversation. So, but meeting with this local group here uh that are very very interested in
Joel correct me if I'm wrong uh cultivation indoor cultivation um resale micro mezo business um there's this input to broaden this
right now as we uh created this proposal it's very narrow meaning that uh currently on deck is one license only until the city reaches above that 12,500 mark. And I know that
with the group the LMCA with these licenses, there's multiple licenses uh that you can apply for and attributes to the zoning. Uh, another is just opening up
our zoning also, uh, in our industrial, our commercial, um, our, um, in B2 or B1, B2. So, I'm hoping that everybody had a chance to take a look at just this this
this update and just take this time to re review. So, I'm sorry, Council Member Vaseka, were you going to Leave the numbers up to us. Let's get the zoning done
because we'll hear more on the numbers at public hearing. And one thing we got to remember is there's 13 different licenses for campus. And we're focusing on one and there's some of those that it's basically an Uber driver that's going to
deliver your edibles and they should be able to do that from everywhere. And some of these are like businesses. I can't remember the exact number, but there's less than a handful that they're going to state.
So, but if the MEO business wants to come to town, would you really want to push away a multi-million dollar business because we have a mom and pop dispensary on the corners of the street? I wouldn't. So, but let's get the zoning
done and read the numbers up to council. All right. What do you need from us? Well, as far as So, Joel and I worked through this again. Um, we were I I was wanting the planning the the commission tonight to re-review the lawn moment local sustainable and
fully integrated cannabis micro business. Oh, and let me backtrack. Uh in this in the packet here um also indicates uh from the last planning and zoning commission meeting there was orders to reach out to the city
attorney. Uh that response is in here. Uh can do we have to have this? And the answer is yes. We have to get this ordinance done and we need to get it done soon.
So, as far as the your attachment goes, uh like I said, we Joel and I we met with this uh local uh group that's interested. We took in consideration of their feedback. We we replied it to, as I said in the staff report, section 2 uh
7 uh limiting of registration, changing that the city shall not limit the number of retail registrations within its boundaries. Uh, council member Veka, you said council is going to take care of the number. Uh, section 3.3, zoning land use based on business licenses and
endorsements. Um, license permit for temporary cannabis events. Removal of e the city shall prohibit uh any on-site consumption of cannabis product. Uh, getting to the staff report or getting to the preliminary, I added
uh some definitions here. uh cannabis micro business to the front page on page one uh to the appro proposed ordinance. Can cannabis mess business, cannabis cultivator, cannabis manufacturer, cannabis retailer, wholesaler, cannabis
transporter, cannabis testing facility, cannabis delivery service, cannabis event organizer, lower potency hemp edible manufacturer, lower potency hemp edible retailer and medical cannabis cannabis uh combination
business. Uh moving forward uh four five six uh page six of application approval uh removing a state license cannabis retail business application shall not be approved if the cannabis retail business would exceed the the maximum number of re registered cannabis
retail business permitted under section 2.6. Um 2.6 Six was on page eight. Um get a uh get a better idea from the council once the public hearing is done
from the collection information to move to public hearing. License type. Um as council member Vosepeka said there's 13 different licenses. There's but many of these licenses have separate uh endorsements that are part of that
license. So, it's laying out uh the license types, which we didn't change. Uh they were in there from the last draft. Um and then moving forward to uh zoning as far as listing by each
license uh commercial where they could be located. And that starts at page 11 and it runs through page 13 basically. So like I said, I I guess um
my discussion tonight is uh I'm wanting to see if we're open open the planning commission is open to opening up this zoning a little bit more. Uh Mr. Administrator, uh am I missing anything
as far as key points here? No. Perfect. Yeah. So, basically, you guys need to provide a recommendation on location. Do we want buffers? Um, you know, staff took the took the position of if the public is
um going to this site like a a retail or a dispensary, um we put it in uh in all of our business districts. um if you were a wholesaler and you were just selling to other licensed that seemed to be more of a manufacturing
you're you know we recommended the the business park. So that's kind of the basis of where where staff came from. I know we've talked about buffers in the past and you can impose up to a certain um distance based off of um a daycare
or there was some other other requirements which I guess sounds good and and maybe in theory uh will will benefit but you know if it's if it's so important my mind would be that whoever gets there first it shouldn't matter who gets there first.
Right. Right. If if if a dispenser a retail can't locate within whatever is up to a thousand feet of a daycare, then why can't a daycare locate within 1,000 ft? I mean, if it's so important that these buffers, which which are optional, um you would think
that they would go both ways. If it's such an issue, it shouldn't matter who is there first, right? Okay. Any comments, you guys? proposed zoning makes sense just logically based on on exactly wholesaling cultivation keep it
industrial business any business come they have to apply for a traditional use permit in the future or would that not uh under certain under certain circumstances correct Yes, you could
regulate it from there. Uh yes, the the planning commission could recommend and the council could approve additional requirements above what is is in the zoning code at that point. So for example, we got here cannabis micro
business as proposed. It's uh commercial and industrial zoning is a permitted use. It would be conditional use in the in the B's we'll call the business districts. B3 downtown. B2 highway commercial we just talked about with Quick Trip. Um and then B1 would be
limited business which is kind of we'll say the intersection of Condro Highway 19. I think it's the main area that that is kind of along right away includes the Legion. So that would be an example of of where a conditional use permit
would would be proposed to be required. Well, everybody knows how I feel about this, but I guess we have no choice. Yeah. Yeah. Um I guess as far as dispensary, I I guess I don't see a big deal with
that, but I don't want the u the farming of it and whatnot along Highway 19 or something like that. Put that in the back somewhere. That's my opinion. From a security reason, you probably want to be in the back. And there is a farm in the area and nobody even
realizes it. Yeah. Well, and I won't tell anybody where it is. Want to know? Okay. What's your address? M. Is the city making money off of it? No, they're out in the country in the middle
of nowhere. But I know, Mr. chair. Uh I know that the the LCMA is they're uh they're proposing or wanting to have uh a cultivation. They want everything uh
right and above. Yeah. Uh cultivation uh resale um and Joel along uh in our industrial park area, commercial area. So I I I am just want to make that clear here
tonight too. So correct me, but cultivation and whatnot like you're talking off of the highway to the south there in the industrial or wherever low on that lower spot would be a perfect spot for it. And
uh otherwise the minor sales or whatever the bees the bees district. So, we're looking for a motion to approve the zoning changes that or the how it's going to be zoned. Yes. Uh Mr. Chair and commissioner Ku, I'm looking for just a
uh a motion to support these updates. Okay. And then um yes, that would be that would pertain to this staff item here. Okay. All right. And we need a motion, you guys. Mike Mike Harding. That's a motion and
uh second. Seconded. Second by Tim. All in favor? So, are we just approving what's in the stat report? I think so. Or are we saying that if you're cultivating, you're in an
industrial? Yes. Oh, yes. The zoning recommendations, those changes, keeping cultivation. Yeah. Wholesale stuff. Sorry about that. Micro business would be business. Yeah.
No, Joel. Clear as micro businesses can cultivate in house on site. So, because you're going to have a live plant. You could you could drive by these business these buildings and not even know what's in them. Um I mean they are high test. I mean you're
wear you're wearing you're wearing boots and suits to go in and do HVAC work so you don't get contamination. And this isn't throw some Miracle Grow down in a couple seeds and hope it grows in, you know, eight weeks. I mean, this is high test. That was the old days. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's just I mean, that's the
facts of it. You could drive down a building and you wouldn't even know Yeah. that that it's there, right? they're going to have them in the back. And and if if everything's contained inside a building, you know, should we be imposing, you know, conditions on on it,
you know, where we're not imposing conditions on people that are welding stuff, manufacturing things? Um, are you thinking like acreages of plants? That's a mess business. Well, that's what I'm picturing. That you're thinking of a
mezzo business and they're only allowed two acres. total. Otherwise, they if they're inside, it's so many thousand square feet of canopy. I can't remember the certain number off the top of my head, but it's usually like Yeah, it's like 5,000
square feet or something. But meos are their licenses like over $30,000 a year. I guess I just want to be clear on what the planning commission was recommending. Yeah, this back up here.
So, the recommendation here and also B3 I I I know that that was talked about um not or I brought that up earlier and I know that um council there's a council member in support of not
having any zoning for the industry in a B3. What would be our downtown? I'm sorry, Tim. That would be downtown. I'd like to use it. Yeah. Revitalize it. Yeah. You might as well put something downtown. Why leave the building empty
if somebody wants to remodel it? And honestly, if we're worried about security and stuff, that's up to that company to make sure they're securing all their stuff because if they make one mistake, they're out of business. They're required to have a security plan, I believe. They're not allowed to
not have security hours. They are shut down until they have security. The regulations on the indoor growing is so insanely stickly. They don't let you Oh, it's more strict the ATF rules for I can get a machine gun.
a license for that. Okay. So, what's our motion here, you guys? I say we open it up to wherever they want to grow it. I mean, if they're going to put it inside, it's going to happen eventually anyway. I mean, federally, it's already looking like it's going to be passed. So,
say we open it up to if they want to put us something down on Main Street, more power to them. just another copy of Elco zoning where it was just a like listed off all the districts then it listed off licenses one way it's basically a spreadsheet it's allowed
here here here and that's done and council member this is very simple like that also it's just listed the 13 licenses what zoning it could be in and we we want this to be uh we want this to be um
e to interpretate for our public, our future business operators, and for staff to work jointly together so everybody's on the same page. So, as far as the previous motion goes, uh, let's drop it. Let's drop it. I don't know if I need a
vote to drop the previous one. We never We only had We didn't vote. Okay. We just had a motion. Perfect. Perfect. That's good. So then uh tonight our motion is to accept the current draft proposal. You seem to know more about it, Jamie.
Well, I think in addition to for the ordinance to be easily understandable. I think it's also to be business friendly. Yeah. Needs reflecting the changes that you don't want to talked about. You don't want to make it think like, oh, they've already got this. I'm not even going to bother trying it. we're going
to turn away a business before we even knew about this business. We want them to know where they can have it and then they go and see if there's anything available. Not just I'm not All right. So, the motion would be
accept the way it's written. Yeah. The way in and the way the way that it's currently written means that they can go anywhere downtown. Correct. That's B3 zone. Based depending upon license type.
You can't license first to figure out where mandated dictated by the state of Minnesota. Yes, it's dictated by the state of Minnesota. They you can't even apply for a license till next year now unless you've already applied. They've
only allowing so many licenses per type. Granted, your uh edibles and your micro businesses, there's an unlimited amount. They are still vetting them, though they're not going to let any Tom, Dick, and Harry open up a business. You have to have a business model. Um the
delivery driver, it's just saying that you know that you're going to check when you get to the place that it's somebody 21 years old. You're not going to give it to their 10year-old. You're going to give it to a responsible adult. That's that. That's unlimited. But it's just
basically no different than if you be delivering alcohol. I want to deliver alcohol then crumbles bring you alcohol. All right. I guess to answer your question, not everything would be allowed in the in in the the business
districts. Yeah. Like like the list is all here. So like example, cannabis manufacturer is I2C commercial OI. So make the motion according to that. Yeah, we can.
What page is that on? That is 12. Page 12. Well, it starts on 11. 11 to 12. So I believe the changes made since the last planning commission um are that we changed the uh number of limit or number
of uh retail registrations um to not have a limit for for now. I know the council will make that decision. uh the types of of licenses we wanted to make sure that they were consistent with state statute
definitions and then also what we've been talking about here uh the proposed zoning districts that uh these either are permitted not permitted or or our conditional use hours of operation hasn't changed and I think that
was that was about it so Okay, that's it. Beyond the changes, just clarification and definitions, correct? Yeah, we wanted everything consistent with state statute. Yeah, we can make a motion, Mike. I'll make a
motion. Second. All right, we have a motion and a second. So, wait, hang on. So, I have a motion and then Mike Mike and Mike. Yep. Mike and Mike. And I'm sorry. The motion was to accept the current draft. Accept the current draft. Yes. Yeah. Accept current draft. Perfect. Thank
you. Okay. All in favor? I. All opposed. Okay. Motion carries. Uh do we need to look at uh Mr. Chair? Uh I'm going to keep on going with old business. Yep. B. Uh old business. Uh B.
I consider approval to schedule a public hearing on June 16th, 2025 at the next planning and zoning commission meeting uh or shortly after for ordinance 2025331, an ordinance to regulate cannabis business.
Um I'm seeking a motion here to make that public hearing happen. Motion a mic again and we're not going to this time Jeremy or Tim. Okay, we got a second by Tim. All right, we have a motion. All in
favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries. Okay, and with the permission of the rest of you guys or all the commissioners, I would like to table and till next meeting
agenda night. All right. Upcoming meeting is Monday, June 16th. We need a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion. We got a motion by Jeremy and a second by Mike. Boy, your name's going
to be in the There you go. All in favor? All opposed? Motion carries. Meeting is ajourned. Let's see. Which egg do you use on this? You know, I forgot to Yeah. Is this thing turned off now? Yeah. Not in here.
that didn't warm in here.