tower. You guys ready? Yep. I was ready an hour ago. All right. Yeah. Ready. Continuation. Yeah. Hello everyone and welcome to the city council meeting Thursday, August 14th, 2025. I'll call to order this meeting.
If you could all please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Thank you. Roll call. Brian here. Kyrie Miller here. Tom Berg here. James Wka here. and Scapalava here. All right. Thank you. Approval of the
agenda. Does anybody have any additions, uh, deletions or corrections? Tonight's agenda goes all the way down to 10E. I would love to bring up city zoning district design standards for discussion as planning and zoning will be
discussing them at the next meeting and they'd like some input from the council when it comes to steps like this as for our vision of what the city's going to be going through. Okay. Does anybody have anything else they
want to add? Okay. I'll entertain a motion for that without addition. All right. Motion by Palava. Second by Miller. Any further discussion? So would that be then number or letter F? That would be E and then F would be the
listing. So we move it ahead of Yep. Okay. All right. Any further discussion? All in favor? All opposed. All right, motion carries on to the
approval of the minutes. Consider approval of the minutes from July 28th, 2025 special meeting and the July 31st, 2025 regular meeting. Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections to the minutes? Okay, I entertain a motion. I'll make a motion.
Motion by Miller. Second. Second by Palava. Any further discussion? All in favor? All opposed? All right, there are no public hearings. So, presentation of citizens petitions and comments. Comments limited to two
minutes. So, if you're not on the agenda tonight, now is your chance to speak. Yeah, we're hearing crickets. Literally. Literally. All right. Approval of the consent agenda. There is
nothing on there. On to old business. Presentation of the final 2025 classification and compensation report. Tessa Melvin David. Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm just here to kind of go through what
we did last time and then um talk about kind of the next steps. Um uh o brief overhaul. We did a full class and comp study. So we looked at job descriptions, we looked at the market, we did classification of jobs. We
re-calibrated your current grid and we had a classification appeal process. So um per the last meeting, the council agreed to um the pay grid recalibration of cutting for adding two. At that time we had recommended um classification
changes of liquor store clerk um to a grade two, police records to a nine, library director to a 12, public works director to a grade 17, police chief grade 17, city administrator 18. After that meeting, we sent back the job
descriptions with the classification changes and we had two appeals come in. One was the accountant too. Based on the job description, they added some more on impact of results of their day-to-day responsibilities and accountability. And
I um re-evaluated it and am recommending move to grade 10. Um the police um patrol, they um appealed not on their job description, but based on the fact that they believe their benefits are low and they wanted more money. That's not a
classification appeal. Um, a classification is of the job description only. When we run the market analysis, we run on wages only. Benefits is total compensation and that can be looked at, but that was not what we looked at. And you would not change a job
classification to make that up because if you change benefits, would you change it back? You don't want to do that. And you can't move a job just to move a job. So, I would recommend not changing that based on the job description didn't change. They were fine with that. They
just are looking for a difference of pay to make up for benefits. And then the last piece, and that was kind of the new part of the report, was the last time we talked um about the study and the past study, one of the
things was how do we reward for longevity? because in the past when we cut and all of that some of the people kind of stay in the middle of the grid and they've been here a long time and then um the council really iterated the importance of longevity like you know
they know more it you don't have the recruitment issues and all of that. So um I know that um in Joel's report he kind of gave some options. I just wanted to talk about it with the ongoing maintenance. That is something we would continue to look at um as the council's direction was this year get it
implemented the pay grid and then kind of start looking at the policy and what would you guys have appetite for? What would that look like and then start that probably in 2026. Um, basically the longevity, the reason you do it is to reward employees for
loyalty, dedication, encourage them to remain in the organization, improve employee morale and motivation. Um, a couple ways of doing it is stepbased. So like your grid, you kind of have longevity built in as you grow within
the organization. Your length of service kind of represents that. Um, so right now you, you know, cut those steps down. You could add more that would address some of the longevity, but it doesn't address the kind of sitting in the middle of the
grid. And I think that was one of the concerns. So what other entities um look at is percentagebased system. So they would say kind of tear it and say if you've been here five years, you get 1%.
if you've been here 10 years, 2% and something like that. And that basically is a percent per year. Um, or when you hit a milestone. So maybe it's 5 years, 10 years, 12 years, 14, you know what I mean? Like you would hit that or it
could be annual. Um, but that is kind of a one as like a lump sum at the end of the year. Others will do a flat rate and say if you've been here 10 years, you get $100 per year. So you get $1,000.
It's a flat dollar rate. So it doesn't matter if I'm grade one or I'm grade 18, it's a flat rate based on um that. And then the other thing is to kind of combine it. So you could have at the end of your pay grid, you could have
additional steps that are percentbased. That's what they are. But maybe you set the the year. Is it year 10, year 12? Um the only real big difference is if you just add on to the grid, you're not really addressing the concern of
people are in the middle. So a better approach there would be to create a system that is either percentbased, lumpsum based, or like flat rate. And we say here's where the definition if you've been with the city eight years, if that's the magic marker, then you're
going to get X. if you've been here 10, you know what I mean? Kind of define that and that then would be addressed to anyone in the organization. So even if I were grade seven, step three, but I've been here 20 years, I would then still get my longevity. So longevity wouldn't
have anything to do with grade placement. Um, and it would, you know, be more about my tenure with the city. Um, so I just brought that up. The other thing is in looking at it um if you look at who does it 35% of government
entities do it more getting away from it just because you don't see as much tenyear as you once did in public sector there's just more turnover rate education is about 25% um healthc care is 20 and I think um the private sector has 20%. So like just so
you can kind of see like who is doing longevity, how do they value it. So we'll leave that with questions, comments. I know it's a lot to think about and it was more just to kind of say our next steps would be that. So if
you know we wanted to continue the discussion or you all said, hey, we really like this idea like let's move on it and work on it next year or whatever that looks like. But I know that was something the council had asked about and I wanted to just give a little bit of information on that.
Sure. Thank you. Brian, do you have anything you want to add? Uh, no, nothing at this time. Okay. Curry, I'd just like to see a little table like for those milestones. Oh, sure. And that way they would know annually.
Yeah. Or when they hit it. You would put it in the handbook so it would be written out. So it could be like 5, 10, 15, 20, like if you want to do five years increments or two years, but generally you'd put that in the policy. So then it's memorialized and
and it's easier for you to see and for employees to be like, "Okay, this is how it works." Yeah, that's all I have. Okay. Thank you. All right, Jamie. I'm good, Scott. My only thing was the same as car is just about how how that would be presented in uh
Sure. for for not tracking presentation employees. So that's good. So um just to kind of reiterate these steps here. So after we approve this theou is going to get sent over to
police kind of saying this is where the city's going to propose you, right? Yep. Okay. Um and then after that, what I re what I would really like to see is us to tackle
this longevity um in house with the committee uh of department heads or any other employees. I think that we really need to see what's good for the city of Londovers as being comparative to just other cities. Um
does that sound reasonable? Yes, absolutely. You okay with that? Yeah. Yep. So, um does anybody else have anything else to add since uh going around the table? I like the in-house idea.
Okay. All right. Well, and we can run a report too just so you could see like where people are at because sometimes like visually you might want to see like how it would actually impact the city. Do you know what I mean? like is is it everyone at 10 years or everyone at you know that
sometimes can um be helpful to actually see how where employees currently are. Sure. Okay. Well, I'm assuming there needs to be a motion with this one. Yes.
Okay. I will enter a motion. I'll make a motion for the reclassification that we of the wages that are in the report. Correct. And then that we will continue the
longevity for 2026. Yep. Okay. All right. Motion by Miller, second by War Gerson. Any further discussion? I do want to add one thing before uh
we go into approval is one thing is is that we do have to get back to talking with our police officers. Uh they're going to be on their final year contract in 2026. So, uh when theou is sent over, we should probably consider our options um
as far as sitting down and talking to them and figuring out how to move forward. So, all in favor? I. All opposed. All right. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. I think we should ask the chief to uh
remove this disruptor in the back of the room. Can you Can you detain that cricket? Tase it. He's He's inside the wall right next to the outlet. We need to demo it. Demo that wall. Oh, no.
Well, we already had the grand opening, so Yeah. Now it doesn't matter. We'll stop. Come for the cookies. And now the guy won't leave. All right. On to new business. Consider approval of the city's 2025/26
property casualty insurance coverage/premium in the amount of $131,04. Pete fleet check which Joel I think you're taking. Yes, I can take. Um, thank you, mayor, members of the council. Uh I did receive an email from uh Mr. Flech Chick that he
wasn't able to make the meeting today. He wasn't feeling well. Um he asked that um if we could table it. Um and I guess my recommendation is that the council's uh okay with moving forward. I can give the presentation. I don't have a a problem doing that. Um or if there's some questions that you guys may have,
we we certainly can. But um just given the importance of insurance and getting this paid, I would recommend that it get dealt with tonight. So Okay. Uh so uh we receive our insurance through the League of Minnesota City's insurance trust. Um the policies that
the city uh is provided coverage for would be um all of all of our properties um covered losses and damages, water, supplemental flood coverage. Our municipal liability u also includes medical and some related expenses. Uh
typical auto uh liability, physical damage. Um the pro fund we do uh get a bond that covers um the city hall and then also the fireman's relief association is is covered under that as
well. Um our equipment breakdown um the city has utilized that numerous times over the years and um has worked out not that we want to have breakdowns and and utilize our coverage but um it's been beneficial to the city to to have
that coverage. uh liquor liability for Lndale liquor and then we also uh get uh secure cyber security coverage. Department heads reviewed all of their respective properties and vehicles to make sure everything was accurate and
the coverages were were acceptable. Um everything was deemed acceptable and everything has been accounted for. Uh quick breakdown of the policy is that uh just over 69,000 is the premium for our uh property insurance. Uh mobile
property uh just under 4,000. Uh municipal liability which includes employment is about 4,300. Uh expenditures which are based off of um they take an average of the the last three years budgets. So if you had one
high year and then one low year, it kind of averages out. So you're not just going up and down with your uh premium expenses. Land use for planning and zoning police about 11,600 and then sewer
uh ENO is about $3,000. Our auto liability 7125 auto physical liability uh 10,515 uh hired non-owner is 85. Uh we do uh provide a insurance policy for our
volunteers if they are injured while um volunteering for us. at uh 91. The bond which was previously discussed 514 uh equipment breakdown 5812 our liquor liability 2260
uh first party cyber 1786 and then garage keepers 288 uh for the total of 1314. Uh how does this compare to last year's premium? Uh it's actually a decrease of about uh 21%.
Uh the main reason for that and a lot of them uh the premium a lot of them did go down a little bit but the main reason for the premium decrease is when we renewed our insurance last year this building was vacant and um so then we
got Yep. So we had to pay a higher premium for that. So then uh once construction started in November, I contacted them and then we were uh provided a refund of about like $16,000. Um and that'll be the same. We've got
the current or the old city hall on there. So then once we uh get rid of that, we'll reach out to them and and get that off our uh insurance list as well. The old PD dropped also. Correct. Yes. Yep.
Uh this is a budgeted item for 25. Um you know we got the insurance renewal and then how the premium allocation is is broken down for the budget is included with the staff report as well. Uh there's any questions? Staff would recommend approval of our insurance
premium of 13 $131,4. All right. Thank you. Joel Carr, you got anything? Nothing. Jamie? Nope. Scott? Nope. Brian. Um, as far as the the vehicles, we there's potentially some of those that'll fall off this year, too.
Correct. The uh big boy fire truck and then the van. Yes. That's still within this, right? Those Yes. Yep. Okay. So, there's Yeah. I mean, honestly, we'll be adding one though, too. True. Yeah.
And then we'll also be listing the uh old tanker 4126 as well. Okay. Yeah. So, two fire trucks that party, I think. Three fire trucks. No, just the two, right? We got the old pumper, the old tanker, and big boy. Uh,
yeah, the pump the pumper would come when um when we get our new one, our next engine. Yeah. I mean, it it's kind of interesting to see that the rates went down, especially I mean, what what in the last what year and a half, we've had
pumps replaced. We've had the library replaced essentially. So, I mean, we're doing pretty good here. I think an important part of that, too, is we're the type of claims that we're having, we're they're not
they're not negligence or, you know, anything like that. It's not criminal stuff. It's it's it's comprehensive. Yeah. I was a little worried though with the library. I mean, usually doesn't matter if it's your fault or not. You know, typ typically comprehensive isn't as aggressive as uh
uh you know, other ones. It's worth the money. Definitely worth the money. That's all I got. All right. Entertain a motion. Motion to approve. Motion by Vipka. Second. Second by Palava. Any further
discussion? All in favor? I. All opposed? All right. Presentation of a Centerpoint Energy Community Safety Grant in the amount of $2,500. Chief Jason Schmidz.
Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Earlier this year, I applied for a community safety grant offered by Centerpoint Energy, which helps first responders and local governments get essential equipment and resources. The program awards up to $2,500 focusing on
safety equipment um or safety related projects. This grant program has been offered to the city of Lanzo for the past 10 plus years and switches each year between the police department fire department. In 2023, the Lonzo Police Department was awarded $2,500 through
the Centerpoint Energy Community Safety Grant for emergency communication equipment, those encrypted radios. And then again in 2025 which also went to the encrypted radios. Um so just on behalf of Lonzo Police Department I want to thank Centerpoint Energy for their continued
support to public safety. So Jason, this is a great picture of you over here. Well, thank you. That needs to be front page. Yeah. Play in the news. Colton Camp. Colton. All right.
He's youtubing it tonight. So Colton. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Jason. Jamie, you got anything to add? Nope. Scott, no. Other than just, you know, good job keeping going on kind of put those grant dollars in. Brian, thank you to Centerpoint Energy. Good
job, Chief. Yeah, Gary, I echo what they said. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you, Jason. No, so I think that's a total of like 45,000 that we've gotten for the encrypted radio so far. So, awesome. What was the total bill on that?
Uh, I think right around 67. So, all right. Thank you. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Well, entertain a motion for that one. I don't think we need one. Well, do we do we need a motion?
Yeah, we have to accept it. Yeah, we can accept it. Oh, so moved. Second. Motion by Wormkers, second by Miller. Any further discussion? All in favor? All opposed. All right. Thank you again,
Jason. All right. Discussion on the founders day committee, Mr. Corey Henza. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor and uh councel. Uh at the July 10th, 2025 meeting, uh Mayor Berg introduced the founders day committee and the council approved the
motion. The council agreed to appoint five person committee including a city liaison. The purpose of the committee is to celebrate Lndale's 100 plus year history, bring back fireworks, and have family-friendly events. Uh items uh that
that we need to discuss tonight uh for further detail to get this rolling uh is fireworks location, maintain small town feel, opportunity for volunteerism, fish fry donations, band entertaining,
food, kids activities. uh whether or not the events on July 3rd or 4th and then I know that this has been brought up by uh council member Warmer uh whether uh govern governing documents are going to be involved with this or is this just
going to be a committee. Um at this time staff have advertised the newly created uh committee positions and have received five applications. Uh the deadline was August 15th and staff are re requesting the council to finalize the details for
the committee and provide guidance for the committee to implement. Uh items of discussion. Uh will this be a formal like I said earlier city committee or group of volunteers? If so uh govern body documents if so
development of governed documents is needed. If not, government governing documents are not needed. City council expectations uh city liaison 2026 budget and then uh for sure applicant interview schedule. Mhm.
Uh fiscal impact at this time it's unknown. Um and uh we need to get this uh knocked out tonight. All right. Thank you, Corey. Uh, one thing I think we should immediately talk about right now is, uh, if it's a formal
city committee or a group of volunteers, because personally, I think it should be a city committee, especially if the intention is to turn it over to an advisory board. What's everybody's thoughts on that? I agree,
Jamie. I have no problem with that. Okay, Scott. Yep. I I'll agree with that, Brian. Yeah, I agree. Okay. So, we do have uh governing documents for that process, right, Corey?
I'm going to ask uh city minister Ericson out for a little help on this one as far as establishing the Yeah. So, I mean, say, is this going to hold up uh the interview schedule process? I mean, would they just follow terms of a simple advisory board like
bylaws or Yeah, if it's going to become a a formal city or um board commission, then uh yeah, that that first uh the first members elected or or appointed, I guess, in this case, uh they'd have staggered terms so that when their terms
were up, it wasn't, you know, the majority of right of the committee leaving. So, yes, that would be a a component of that. Um so, uh at the staff level, we can work on um essentially drafting an ordinance just like we have for the the planning
commission, park board, uh library, things like that. And yeah, um kind of go from there. And then once we choose these appointed people, um they would be able to have probably the first meeting or it's a broader
meeting about uh what that might entail. So say like term limits or uh term lengths and correct. So that's when they would pick their chair and vice chair and would they absolutely would they approve the bylaws or is that
something that we have to approve and give to them or they approve it and then they bring it to us and we approve it? Uh if if it's going to be an ordinance like our other advisory boards, it would be done through the the city council. Okay. So um they don't they don't have any but we could work you know it would be
nice if they you know were involved in that process and sure know kind of the initial board members be involved in kind of setting up the the committee as well. Yeah. Okay. Um so majority of the rest of the stuff so
say fish fryer donations band food kids activities July 3rd or 4th um that there I believe should go through that committee. I I think council selects who's on it and then that way
they can have that broad conversation of what they want to see and involve it the way they want. Um, essentially what came from this conversation is a base point from when this was introduced into park board, we heard a lot of the arguments of why park
board shouldn't or want wouldn't want to do it. And so some council members worked to lay down that baseline off of those conversations. So, I I think the fireworks location was
figured out. Is that correct, Jamie? It's not in writing. I have a verbal with the peepers. They were cool with it as long as we had fire precautions in place. And it was limited to who was
lighting off the fireworks and didn't get out of hand like in years past it did. And being that we're going to hire out the fireworks, I don't think we should have a problem with that one. Yeah. Yeah. It'll probably be an electric shoot, I would assume. Yeah.
So, the other thing is is when it goes into the 2026 budget, you know, I look at the DSI rebate that's coming back and I would have like I would like to apply that to this uh committee.
Um, the other thing is is that I was able to talk to uh Jason Graves from Rail 19 that said he would do another um street dance for that. So, it's kind of that July 3rd or 4th
date where it's kind of up to the committee. But I know that Jason's, you know, partnered up with Snow Wizards. He's partnered up with the Fireman Relief Association, which they've even said we could apply for this, too. So, I think the funds are kind of kind of
there. Um, so at least hired it out professionally. So, then that way it entertains that firework location. But, um, I think that base point was kind of established and and trying to tell the
committee about it um, and get it all tied together, of course. But, I'm going to kind of open this up for discussion. And let's see where I left off. Scott, I'll let you hit this off first if there's any questions or things you want
to add to it. Nothing at this point. I to see it uh laid out like it is and you know having a little more background on it. Um it's I'm I'm in favor of doing something like that. Uh it's been a it's been uh
something that we've uh been lacking. My only concern is um not so much the procurement of fireworks, but finding a pyrochnics uh operator that's going to be available at that time when we you know a lot of the stuff tends to get scheduled out
sure years in advance you know um if you ever tried to reserve a band for an event I mean you know sometimes we're three or four years to get a band for you know during the peak season. So, I don't know about the pyro technic side of it, you know, what we're going to be looking at for that. So, that's my only
concern about uh the timeline is, you know, are we too late for next year or, you know, uh but I'm I'm not opposed to it, but I just uh you know, we need to get going
on it to get get that squared away. Okay. Thank you. Uh Brian. Um yeah, I think the only thing we can really say with any certainty on budget is staff time for the committee when it
meets is the only thing we can with certainty say we know budget for. Um yeah, I I I guess you know for for direction for whoever's on the committee um well one applicant interview schedule
I think we should get that as quickly as possible like next week if if possible because tomorrow's the deadline, right? Yes. Yeah. So, if if at all possible, do the do the uh interviews, get them in, get the committee formed, I guess,
and then um directive, you know, to Scott's point, figure out your fireworks stuff first and, you know, start making phone calls and then, you know, the rest of it can fall into place. You know, are there fundraisers that the committee wants to recommend? You know, I know
that there was the talk of in the past there was the arrest an official jailbreak thing, bail them out that they used to do at the Legion with the fish fry. I I think they did that for years to raise money um for fireworks. But
yeah, I mean, as far as the funding goes, I think there's enough interest in donating from what I've heard. I mean, you know, this is all assumption. I think budget will kind of fall into place to a degree. Um, but beyond, you know, fireworks and then
come up with some good ideas. I think talk to the aces. You know, are food trucks the thing that people want to do? Is it, you know, bands? Do we do we shut it down or do we shut down Main Street like we do for community days? How far do we want to take it? Or do we spread it out a little bit more? Do we put it
more in the parks in different areas? Do we do some stuff up in the soccer fields or anything like that? I know Joe, you probably don't want to, but um yeah, I don't know. I I think yeah, the key is get it going, get the documents or the
the committee in place and um get the fireworks figured out ASAP so we can actually do them or know we can do them. And if we can't, I don't think that kills the idea. You know, we can still do something. It just wouldn't include
fireworks, which would be a bummer, but something's better than nothing in my mind. Being that it's the 250th next year. Yeah, we can use that as ammo for these uh pyrochnic companies. We need Yeah. some people.
I I just see the dollars going up and up and when you start begging. Well, we won't beg. We'll do it in a good sales pitch. And council member Miller, didn't you say you had connections to pyrochics? And then I think it was at the park board you were saying that there's an option of a $8,000 fireworks, a
12,000 and it goes it it depend depends on the length of the show that you want. So it could be like 12 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, and it kind of goes up obviously in price. But yeah, so I'm
happy to reach out to that connection to see if there's um is still available. Yeah. For next year for next year, but we need to decide is it going to be on the third or fourth. And so that's kind of part of the problem, too. Well, maybe that's a question for them, what their availability is. Okay. Yeah. Because if they say we're booked
on the fourth, we're available on the third, then it kind of writes its own narrative. My experience, too, having done done it uh for several years was the sooner we put our order in for the actual product, the more free product we got.
um because you're ordering ahead of time. And so we ended up um I think the very first time we did the fireworks bailout I I I'm shooting from the hip, but I want to say, you know, we raised 20 grand or something like that, but we
ended up like a $35,000 show because we had purchased a lot and we had enough money, you know, ahead of time. It was we ended up having a really really big show that year because of there was a lot of um the freebies. The freebies. So it's like the stands where you buy
the bottle rockets and you get the free free package of black hats. Sort sort of. Yeah. You know I I I mean I I I'm speculating that the cheap I I I speculate that there's quite a bit of margin in that stuff and if they know
that they're they're selling that stuff, you know, getting the getting the early orders Yeah. Yeah, they're going to they're going to reward you for that. And I, you know, I I think I mentioned it at the last meeting. We uh there was a couple big things that happened and I I they were talking about it right
before the 4th uh this year on the news. I mean, the warehouse blew up in California and then they're saying that with the and who knows with the tariffs, that's the other thing people are concerned about. So, yeah, the the urgency on getting the fireworks done, I think, is
is big. Yeah. And I think it's just see what the committee wants to do to uh for all these other ideas as well because again it's we're looking back at a 100 plus years of history with Londo. So I mean I'd be interested to see if
they can do tours of you know some older buildings or the older school. You know I I think of that quite a bit. I couple hours open for uh community day, but we should really be, you know, looking at that as our main historical society. And
so it's, you know, I'll be interested to know more what this committee thinks. But years past when they did the fireworks, I believe the liquor store was paying for the insurance, the liquor store fund, right? Uh I believe so. Yes. So, I mean, we got
we got a little bit we can fall back to, but I don't want to pull a whole bunch away from Lynette. So, I mean, there's there's some wiggle room when it when it comes to tackling the uh 2026 budget for it. So, I texted my connection just now. So,
we'll see if whenever. Yeah, I'm done with that. Okay. Does anybody else have anything they want to add? Do we need to make a motion? just a discuss setting the interview dates or anything like that or can we just does that need to be a
formal motion or no I would treat it like any other advisory board what works for you know whoever's going to be part of the process and the applicants do we want to recommend a liaison now or do we want oh yeah we should probably have a a council liaison
y that person can be involved in the interview process as well right that's what I was thinking my my one concern concern. So we got five. We we've said it's a five person board with then if we have a council leaison.
Do we want to say then that they're a non- voting member? I the only reason I said I'm a big fan of odd numbers on these committees so we don't run into ties. Yep. But then ultimately you're going to end up with three because we have a we have
a staff member. Staff doesn't vote. I know but sta staff would be on the committee also. Yeah. So so you have you ultimately you have three votes if you if you did that because you'd have Oh no no no no I'm saying we still keep it at five but if the council leaison
oh in addition to okay I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were saying a total committee of five people. No yeah the five community members. Got it. Yeah, because like I I know for example like in library board I'm a non- voting
member as the liaison. Um so I would think just again I'm a big fan of of odd numbers on these just to avoid ties. So there's yeah there needs to be an odd number. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's go through the interview
process and then uh we can follow up with liaison and then how we want to move forward with that. Um but if you want the liaison involved with the interview interviews. Yeah. Don't Well, you know what? I'm going to make I'm going to make a recommendation for
liaison and uh I'm going to make a recommendation for Ki because Ki tried to bring this up in park board and really wanted to do it and then we went off of parkboard's recommendation. So I'll do it. That's I'll I'll motion to
recommend Ki Councilwoman Kari Miller for Founders Day 2026. A second. Second by Palava. Any further discussion? I think it should be a non- voting position. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Okay. Okay. All right. It's been motioned second and all in favor? I I all opposed. All right. Motion carries. Now, city staff, is that does that help answer a lot of this that you got going on? You
feel comfortable? Yep. Absolutely. And next week during the day, most days are great for me to help with interviews except for Tuesday. Okay. All right. Consider approval of an emergency building use agreement between
the city of Lndale and Tri City United Schools 2905. Uh Joel Eric. All right. Thank you, mayor, members of the council. Uh TCU is updating their crisis management plan and as part of that plan uh they need to designate a location where students and staff uh can
evacuate to in the case of an emergency. Uh we already have a understanding unwritten uh agreement that um the fire hall would would be that location. Um again because they're going through and updating their their plan they would like to get something formalized into an
agreement which which would make sense. Um so basically a summary of the agreement is that uh TCU would reimburse the city for any used goods or supplies. Uh that also use the reasonable care uh
when uh utilizing the fireh hall if necessary and re reimburse us for any damages. Uh we would make the fireh hall available with minimal notice uh provide internet access and then the agreement would be effective upon both parties signing the agreement.
uh both our fire chief and police chief met with uh the TCU's TCU's facility director and uh went over their uh you know kind of walk through their concerns, issues, things like that. Um the agreement as proposed is acceptable
to both parties. As far as a fiscal impact, there really isn't any to the city because any um ser or goods that are used by TC would be be reimbured or if there was any any damage, we already have the internet there. So, um we
already incur that expense. Uh the alternatives would be to not approve the proposed agreement. And then included with staff's report is the emergency building use agreement. Um, I'm not aware
this school opened up in 2007 and I'm not aware of uh any circumstances that required them to utilize our uh police or excuse me, fire department as
a emergency location. So, unless there's any questions, staff would recommend approval of the uh proposed emergency building use agreement. All right. Thank you, Joel. Brian, you got anything? I think it makes sense. You know, if we're talking emergency, no better place
to be than with the firefighters or the police, but it's kind of a hall to get them up the hill here. They got buses. If it's an emergency, they're running. If it's an emergency, I mean, let's be
honest, they might have to pedestrian it over there, you know? I mean, it's it's a possibility depending on the emergency. So, all right, Curry. Nothing. Jamie, I hope we never have to use this, but
I'm on for it if they need it. All right, Scott. Uh, I agree. The only thing uh this is just brought up another uh thought is do we have an agreement with TCU that if we had a a civil emergency could this school be used uh
for any type of emergency uh for our residents for example uh you know power outage in a in the winter you know or something like that um you know if there was a natural disaster or something like that. Do do we have any
agreements? I'm not aware of any formal agreement. I know when um we went through our emergency action plan and created that years ago um you know we went through all those exercises of contacting the Red Cross and what what facilities are large enough to to house
you know a large amount of people and you know the school would be one of them, the I teacher IC church civic center, the Legion. Um, I I just, you know, I think maybe if if we're having to do this with them, I think maybe if we had it in writing with other
others, it would be a a safe precaution to have. We can't assume that everything is going to go right. You know, I'll I'll just use the Legion as an example. I mean, if there's turnover of leadership and that who are we calling, you know, that that that
could uh create chaos in itself. Um, so that was that's the only thing I have, but I'm absolutely I think uh it's good to have this. Can we can we add that as a a something like an action item for a future council? Because I think that's a really good point. um you know if we're talking
about schools, the churches, um the Legion, you know, if we are going to have these agreements like you said with the turnover, I mean, you know, I know churches have pastors that rotate through um you know, school administrators change and if we have the
agreements in place, then there's no problem with who do I call or how do I have to work this out. Yeah, I think that's a really good idea. I mean 99 was it 98 when the tornado came through? That was before you know most of us were here. Um you know the population was
a lot smaller a lot smaller you know and uh now we've got a lot lot more people a lot more children u you know that that type of a situation where heaven forbid we need it but I'd rather I'd rather have it not need it than
Well and with the flooding Yeah. I mean look at the flooding that's been going on recently. It's in places you wouldn't expect it to be. So 100year floods every five years. Yeah. Well, I mean, Texas, Milwaukee, right? You know, I mean, we're seeing things that you don't expect in places
you don't expect them. So, it's not a bad idea to get ahead of this. Yep. No, I agree. All right. Well, I'll entertain a motion. I'll make that motion. Motion by Palava. Second. Second by Miller. Any further
discussion? All in favor? All opposed. All right. All right. Now, two. All right. Review and discuss city code 153.040,
the zoning district design standards. Corey Zabber. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh earlier this week, uh council member Boseka reached out to me and requested that um the city council uh pre-review uh this this uh
staff report that's going to the August 18th uh planning and zoning commission meeting. Uh this will be the fir at that meeting, it will be the first time that we've discussed the commercial industrial design standards. Um, so what you're looking at is the actual staff
report from Monday night uh for uh PNZ. Uh just a little background on this. The city council has recommended the commission uh to review city code 153.040 zoning district design standards. Uh
staff was recommending to PNZ to uh re to review and discuss uh B1 limited business. Uh B2 highway and business service, B3 central business, um I1 light industrial, I2 medium
industrial, OI the original industrial uh district, uh CI commercial industrial district, and uh recommendation was to review those design standards. Um I agree with council member Vipka uh with
this opportunity is to it's to give a clear vision uh of the council to the planning and zoning commission um for the council's perspective. So I know that this many of you are just
looking at this for the first time. I don't know how far in depth we want to go uh in this. Um I know that this has been brought up in the past like hey we got to change our design standards uh for commercial. Um the thing is is that
uh staff do not know what those changes are nor does the P&Z know. And even for a perfect example uh the orange building on Main Street that suddenly appeared. Um I receive a resident came in and talked to me this
morning was he and that resident was like why isn't the city doing anything about that? And uh the city can't do anything about that. Uh that's downtown uh central business B3 and uh that business owner owns that building. uh
that business owner. There's no regulations for paint color on anything or any downtown buildings or any other uh uh zones that are listed on this list. So, that that's just a a most recent example that just popped up. So,
council member Boseka, you want to help me out here uh with anything else I should add with our preload into the review? Well, they want guidance. And when it was brought up for design standards for residential neighborhoods, unless I had something that council
wished, they're like, "What we have now looks nice, we're going to keep it." So, unless we tell them we don't want this or we want this added, they're not going to do anything. It took my guidance to tell them that the chicken coupe does not need to match
the house to get the accessory structure color dropped on the ordinance. Up until now, your storage shed had to match the color of the house and the siding has to be pretty close to the exact same as the house. And some of this doesn't make sense because you're going for these
little storage sheds that are 6x6. They're plastic. They're a molded color. And then they're getting told, "Oh, you got to paint that to match the house." And the permit for it is more than the shed that it originally costed anyways. And then you got to spend 20 to $100 in
paint to repaint it to a color that match your house. Why? So when it comes to this, if they get guidance from us, they're going to have to do it. and they think they'd appreciate it
because they asked me during the residential standards what does council want and without having discussed it at the council level I have no idea what everybody wants so this is the perfect opportunity you can review it now you
can review it at home the meetings on Monday just email Corey and get your comments unless you can think of anything right now I know it's a lot to look at And then council member Voseka and just
to clarify also you're referring to the accessory structure that public hearing is Monday night. Yep. So as far as the color right now just to clarify to the this council that the recommendation from PNZ is to remove
that color of the shed or accessory structure from from matching the principal structure meaning the house. So just to clarify that. So one thing is is that I have been showing up to these planning and zoning meetings and you
know I have even offered suggestions and I think right now is we just got to figure out a joint meeting between council planning and zoning and just go through all this because I mean the amount of length of time just I mean for
the accessory structures between the public hearings the deciding which ones you want to go and which ones you want to keep. I mean it's you know it it's quite a lengthy process and it takes a lot of staff time. So that's one of the things that I like to
talk about too is I mean we've been going through conditional uses. I mean, what do we want to do with conditional uses, you know? Um, what is too much of a design standards, especially with uh our business park, you know? Um, I know
that I talked to one guy that had built a building to design standards and watched a building go up next to him that wasn't to design standards. So, I mean there's a lot that we can discuss and then everyone that we talked to, anybody that's interested in coming to
the city of Lonsdale, I mean they even mentioned some things too um that we could probably uh get more information and and look at too that way uh we're handling it in house
and instead of just kind of waiting. Um, yeah, credit to Jamie Vika for for all the stuff that he's doing. I just I kind of think that we need to get uh planning and zoning and council together and then just start,
you know, redlinining or adding things or having a a bigger broader discussion. I know that doesn't help with Monday, but you know, but Mr. Mayor, this is there's not going to be a a recommendation to move to a public hearing on Monday. No
for design standards for commercial and industrial. No, I just it's just the the start of this. I know that uh from the beginning of the year, you know, we talked about design standards and then to be in these planning and zoning meetings where we
sit there and we listen at planning and zoning. I mean, there wasn't one thing that was taken off of design standards for residential houses and city staff wrote up like five things that we could get out of there. And you know, that's why I believe that,
you know, maybe uh maybe towards the end of the year, December, maybe have a joint meeting and just say, "Hey, look, this is what we're doing." Um, I think that's what it's coming down to. Jamie, is there anything in particular that you have a suggestion on that you
want us to for you as a team? Um, if it helps. These are all of them. So the first the definition pages repeat for B1, they repeat for B2, they repeat for B3. If you do that, you take away a third of
the packet. It's more of the cosmetic stuff, okay, that we need to look at. And I was looking at it and it says that no light source direct upwards. We do need to add an exception because some businesses like to add flags and nobody's going to
enforce it, but you're gonna have that neighbor that goes their light shining up and it's not supposed to. But isn't there the flag code where you need to illuminate the flag of a certain There is the flag code. Yeah. But we have an ordinance against it. So you need to put the exception in there
so it makes it easier on the police department so they don't get these calls. All right, let's add that in right now. because we should be adhering to the flag code for sure. That's Yep. Um just along that line, I don't recall
generation they have their logo on the front of their building. Are their lights are they downward facing or upward facing? I can't recall that one. I think it's facing straight across directly at it on on the front of the building because
it's got that over the overhang and I I thought I remember I that's one for example that you know it's facing I think not facing totally upward but somewhat I think it refers to a degree of angle after
and it may yeah I just that's that was just one that popped in my mind Um, but Mr. Mayor and Council, I know that uh, Council Member Bose uh, if you're looking at your attachments B1 limited business, uh, go to page five.
So, if you're going to page five, uh, you're going into building uh, a building design and construction materials. In addition to the restrictions of this section, any other chapter, any building or structure structure within the B1 district shall
meet the following standards. So then it goes down the list um with the uh requirements there of the city co of this zoning code. Um, and this is where, for example, on Monday night, the planning and zoning commissioner is going to start going through each of
these zones, and we're going to be focusing on these building, uh, building design, uh, construction materials and requirements. Uh, even for B1, uh, limited business, um, all buildings shall be designed be compatible with
surrounding uses. All right, that's pretty general. Uh, let's just try to make it fit in the best it can. Okay, that's how we perceive that. But then it gets into all exterior wall faces shall consist of one or more of the following. Face brick, breakoff brick, breakoff
block, stone, glass or curtain wall. Um, you know, it just depends how far um the council and PNZ want to uh update in this in in each of these uh zones.
Um, you know, I've only been here for somewhat of a short short time. Uh the AES is my was my first um big project in town uh that came through uh working with the owner of uh of that project. As
far as I know, they didn't have any issues with the design standards for CI out there. But I know that Mr. Mayor, you're working with several developers these days, and I'm curious if you've received any feedback from CI um or any
of the bees that you know that would make this more appetizing uh for businesses to come to town. Well, I think the hard part is is that people are just getting into the, you know, the layout phase, you know, uh
when it comes to city- owned land, it's they got to hit all these uh public hearings and whatnot, especially with uh next to the villages. I'm sure we'll hear a lot about that. um you know, I mean, as far as what he's going through
with his designs, but as far as uh you know, bigger business, I know that uh Joel and I were on a call and he was asking about uh even the entryways. Do you remember that the entry points into
commerce going south? Oh, yes. Yeah. And then uh I think we brought up a conditional use for uh major auto repair and if dispatch trucking was did have a
conditional use on it or not. If you could do a major vehicle repair up there. Yeah, we had I do not believe that they have a conditional use permit for that. Okay. But we can I mean is that some because I think I
had just seen that we have that on there and if we do I believe yeah I believe that is a is that something that we should just I too cuz I think we've all talked about the conditional use game. So I you know I think that is something that planning and zone is really going to be
wanting to know is how much do we want to get rid of conditional use and maybe we can get you know explanations of you know a second opinion being like well this is what you know we thought of in that area and so
forth and so on. I think a lot of the uses that are listed as as conditional use um have the potential to have a negative impact on surrounding properties probably more residential than than anything um with with the lighting or you know in
the past I know the police department had to address concerns of um you know kind of 247 uh repair shop and impact guns going at 2 in the morning and you know adjacent to a residential area. So basically
with zoning overall is quite frankly to protect existing residents from future uses, right? Um so that's what I think that you know when it comes to the conditional uses, those would be businesses that would h that have the potential to have a larger impact on
adjacent properties than uh just than the regular permitted uses. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But to the mayor's point, yeah, it does add another um step in the process and extends the timeline
because we'll probably want to go through it this way is what do we want to see in our B1? What do we want to see in our B2, our I2, and our C1 businesses? Well,
yeah, but I mean I'm so used to taking my finger and looking at my phone. Sorry, Mr. Mayor. It's getting a little late. Take a picture of it. But it's important like to cross reference what is allowed and what in
like for instance I too medium industrial, right? So that's our southern part of the business park, southern of commerce, and then that's uh also in our industrial park. So if you look at I2 for instance, and you're looking through it uh for say
conditional use for instance, you're looking at automo uh sorry, you know, automobile repair, major commercial kennels, commercial wireless telecommunication service, daycare facilities, right? I can see why
we don't want a daycare facility in our I2. We want to promote that in say like our B2, right? So then if you look at your B2 and you turn the page and look over at conditional use and then you get to see you'll see what
permitted uses are on there and then you get to look at conditional uses. So for instance, commercial car washes. Well, I think we can gut that because we're allowing a car wash there. that's done. So, I mean,
I don't know. But then also daycare centers, if they're licensed and B2, you know, that's where we would like for our um uh daycare centers to be, you know, and see this is where this is a very big
discussion. Look at we went just went from design standards to zoning and conditional uses. And that's why I think this is we're jumping on. This is such a broad big. So my suggestion would be this. Let's do this.
Let's have planning and zoning look at uh B1 and B2. And my recommendation is to look at the zoning map, the official zoning map. And if you guys can get through just B1 alone during planning and
zoning, that's enough for me. But I mean, take this thing and really look through it. And this is all of council, too, cuz then the next council meeting, we can have a discussion of what planning and zoning went through just for the time being, cuz right now I I don't know if a joint planning zoning
council meeting will work with the budget meetings going on. Um, but I I would just take one at a time. And well, if if we're talking about the B's, do we want to talk about B3 as well? I mean, I guess some questions that I have here when we're talking design
standards, um, you know, some some cities get very granular with with their design stuff. Like I I I know, for example, Stuckco. If we start talking about Stuckco, and I don't know, I I was reading through, do we allow Stuckco?
Because there's builds on Main Street that are stuckco. Oh, yeah. So, I guess is that the textured is that cover does that cover stucco? Uh, cuz I I was just looking I mean I I guess I'd have to look at the B3. Yeah, let me
But yeah, typically cuz I know B1 I looked at it. B1, B2, and B3 are all the same as far as design in its um design to be compatible with surrounding areas. All exterior wall surfaces must
consist of one or more of the following. base brick, breakoff brick, breakoff block, stone or glass curtain wall. And then E is specifically designed pre-cast concrete units if the surfaces have been in integrally treated with an applied
decorative material or textures. Does that cover the stuck? I wasn't quite sure, but I mean, you know, I've heard some cities take it to a level where you can't have stuckco or you can't have ephus, but you can
have stucco, which are almost the same thing. They're just applied a little differently. I believe stucco has metal uh for the a mesh bonding, the metal mesh, whereas ephus it it isn't necessarily always metal. I don't
think there we actually are even dealing with either one of them. I think the building you're talking about is they're just they're just smearing a coat over brick. Uh okay. Well, I was I was thinking about the old laundromat building because I believe the bottom under the brick section I believe is stuck
or even I don't I don't know how to tell the difference. They look the same from the outside. But my thing is is then it even says at least 40% of the front face of the building on the first floor shall have windows. Windows. Yeah. So then that's a cosmetic.
Yeah. And I guess to circle back on on where I was going with the whole not to get too far into the weeds with the stuckco ephus thing, I wanted to make sure that I understood what we're talking about there and we're covering it because if we start talking about fast food restaurants, for example, a
lot of those are Stuckco or Ephus. That's that's kind of the the go-to material for some of those types of build. Like if if we talk about a tire service, you know, tires plus, just to throw out a brand name, those are all Stuckco or Ephus buildings. Um, and
sadly, I know this because my son worked for a Stuckco company for a while that did Stuckco and Ethus. So, I know the kinds of projects that they do and it's all the stuff that we think about when we talk about what are the contacts that Quick Trip can bring us and Stuckco,
Stuckco, Stuckco, Eas with a little brick mixed in there, right? But um you know, how granular do we want to get? I would say not because it's it's a pain for these guys. It's a pain for the architects. It's a pain for the general
contractors. It's a pain for the the subs that have to do it because if you're working with a company that puts up multiple um you know, pick pick any chain, right? They're going to say, "This is our building
and we're not going to deviate from what you want us to deviate from if you're getting granular." Because I've heard problems in a lot of the the metro where companies will say, "We're not going there because their city is hard to work
with." Um, and you know, I mean, I think the biggest offender of the upward facing lighting is right here. Go outside the building, all the lights face up. We've got flag ples with lights facing up. Um I mean I think that's like
like council member Miller said it's it's an easy one to get rid of, but I think there's a starting point right there directionwise. So if you go back and you look of like your earlier conversations for the business park, a lot of people came to
the discussion and said look we don't want it to just be you know pole buildings. You know, that was the whole intent is the taxpayers were paying for this business park. Now, here's the deal.
We're here so much later and we do have really good-looking buildings up there, but they're so expensive to build now. Mhm. And it's like, you know, do we do tip up panels or or do we allow like, you know, somebody to build like maybe
something a little bit smaller where it doesn't have to be pre-cast or or whatever it may be. You know, do we offer that up opportunity? I mean, you can go on Google and you can look up baraminiums that look way cooler than any house built, you know, and a lot of people do a lot
of great things with steel, you know, do we allow that back into the business park? you know, do we allow just a steel exterior, you know, um well, or even take it one step or red iron building, you know, you know, the the design pre-cast concrete, you know, the the spanree,
right? Do we allow spanrete without a decorative exterior texture material, you know, cuz there are buildings out there where they'll just throw up span creek walls. I mean, you see them along uh 169 in
Chaki, and you can do them where they don't look uh brutalists, you know, postcommunist or pre-communist, brutalist, you know, you know, you know what I'm trying to
say. No, I'm not I'm not meaning that as a political one, but like, you know, go to Eastern Europe, they call it the the greatest architecture. Yeah. Yeah. Um, which you know, some of those I I guess if you're an architect, I have a friend who's an architect and
he gets he gets a big kick about seeing all these different styles, right? And it's cool to find a brutalist one, I guess. I I I don't see the charm in it, but I mean, the the pre-cast fanrete buildings now have come a long way, you
know. Um, I think everything's really come a long way, you know, and I think I think when it comes to our zoning areas and and when it comes to, you know, kind of these design standards, I think we can create leeway where, you know, say if a
say if like a business that's going from leasing a shop right now and wants to build something, say they got a 20,000 square foot, you know, footprint and say they want to go to 30, but they can't afford from going from a 20 to a 30
unless the standards were dropped a little bit. I'd love to give somebody that opportunity here just to call Ldale like their home and, you know, build out their brand and employ more people into the city. I' I'd love to see it. And I
don't know, we got a couple of meetings um where we're going to go through uh some commercial uh conversations and see where that goes. But I'm kind of curious about the design standards that uh even come out of 8th Avenue. You know, what that's
going to look like, what we could possibly consider on changing or dialing back and Well, and depending on the type of business, too. Like I mean, we just passed a cannabis ordinance, right? Do we really want a bunch of windows on the cannabis building depending on where it's at?
They don't want windows. They want controlled or they want their artificial light on the inside. Right. Well, that's why the 40% thing I was Well, that's what I mean. It's like so I mean, are we at a point now where we have to like really and again, we
don't want to create any standard for one specific business either. However, we don't want to exclude a business that we went through a lot of work to create an ordinance to allow for and now they can't do it because well,
you know, we really don't want all these windows or they put in a bunch of windows and they're blacked out anyway, you know, um or it create a security concern. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I'll go back to, you know, when I was on the planning commission years ago, uh we went when we went through all this, you
know, it was you know, we actually went uh, you know, kind of granular and at the at the time I remember bringing up specifically um the uh the tin uh corrugated metal was forbidden,
but I brought and I remember bringing it up. I said, "Well, what if we had something for example, the feed mill wanted to put up a bill?" And that's what they did. and they used that, you know, it it to we we were excluding it, but you know, we it had to be an architectural accent or something like
that. So, you know, I'm not opposed to a you know, for example, somebody wants to put up a a steel building in the industrial park. maybe their their front facing facade facing the road needs to be dressed up a little bit as opposed to
just a a tin building whether that's uh you know just uh broken brick or you know stone or something like that just you know dress that up a little bit too but to just say you know hey we just going to go with a a tin panel
building and call it good I I don't want I don't want to lower it to that point there's a happy medium what about the expanded steel insulated with the sand texture like on the front of the new store that we just put up. Well, not just put up, it's been seen
here. It's been a while. Yeah, we do allow that. Yeah. And actually, the last two uh businesses in the business park were are built out of that. My my building is insulated. Mine's insulated with a a a stuckle coating on
it is actually, you know, it's a it's not just embossed, but it's actually a It's applied. It's applied. Yeah. You know, it's just like a stuckle finish. Those are actually eco-friendly, too, cuz they got like an R20 and then we've got a one foot wall, which we insulated
that full foot. We've got like the R values in that wall. It gets hot in my office in the winter with the air. Oh, with the heat turned off. Mhm. Yeah. you know, I um I do look at B2 and C1 being the two
areas of immediate consideration because those are the uh two promoted areas that's out here kind of in front of us and then wrapping over uh by Dollar General down commerce onto the
north. You know, those are two locations that are kind of open right now. But then this also sets the tune of what we would look like if we started adding on to the business park side as well. But I I
don't want to get um I don't want it to be just where it's like B1 through C2 either. I I want it to go through residential as well because there was a lot of items that city staff said we could look at dropping right now. we should be dropping them
um or changing them. And uh I don't know. I I kind of want to bring that back up and have a broader discussion and see what we can get out of that. They were looking for input from the actual developer that was going to come into these developments and let them
come up with some suggestions. No, they were going to get to design their development and then pretty much put up a PUD for that development and you'd have to stay follow those standards for the development.
Yep. And we actually met with uh a developer earlier this week and uh well of the Bixby property and um they had reached out to some uh current builders in town and they had raised concerns over the design standards. So, they had some concerns
about that, too. And when we um showed them our uh other PUB agreements that we have for, for example, across the street, those are our PUDs, 16th Avenue um up by the water tower. Uh when we showed them uh those properties and what they, you know, as
far as look like from the the street, they're like, "Yeah, that works for us." Yeah. So, you know, but it's not like But that's, you know, those standards are less than what our design standards are as far as Right. because it gets thrown out the window. Yep. Exactly.
And I guess that's the other conversation is do we want to have a PUD every single time a development gets in there or do we want to have somebody that owns land and just sells lots and then sticks to the city's design standards?
Right. Um, you know, PUDS are used in unique circumstances where someone just came in with a a you know 100 lot you know single family subdivision you know then we would look at zoning it uh R2 but when you get into mixed unit or
mixed uses multifamily then you know you can do that give and take where doesn't really fit into any zoning district. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. mixed use.
I mean, I think there's some simple things that they can tackle right away on Monday, right? The lighting thing. Um, you know, maybe pick their brains on some of these, you know, um, materials. Do we need to step back a little bit?
You know, is spanrete okay without a textured or decorative uh, a fixed material? I mean, I think those are two questions I I think that they could tackle on Monday as a as a board. Um,
I'd be curious to hear what they say. I mean, I think the lighting is an easy one, right? Do you like the American flag? Yes or no? And and for what it's worth, I just want to clarify. I did look generation light. They are all facing down. For some reason, I had it in my mind that they
could facing I mean, we just we just hired an electrician to come out here and put lights in. I but I I want I want it for the record. I don't want them getting beat up, you know, or you know, singled out or anything. So, no, they're they're fully compliant. Yeah, we Yeah, we we are fully
Yeah. I just I think that we got to get back at the time. What was the ordinance? Yeah. You know Mhm. I think we got to get back to Okay. Well, you know, you sit there and you think about the uh Lonzo Auto Sales that you
know, um what on the west side of town and how it came up and people were talking about like that area being like congested and whatever it may be. It's like now when we look at the entrance to town from 35
like on the east side, you know, for 19, you know, what do we want that to look like and what can we drop from what we have now to where it does look like a good entrance to town as well. But also, I want business in here and I don't want
to strap them to, you know, a million dollars plus of just the way it looks. I want them to invest their money on what's inside the building, equipment, hiring more people. And if we can we can change some of this where it offers that opportunity and just says, "Hey, make it
look nice and take care of it, you know." Um, I think it's worth the conversation, a broader conversation, whether it's steel or stucco or pre-cast, what textured, whatever we could talk about. But, uh,
I guess that's my big suggestion to, uh, planning and zoning for Monday cuz I'd hate to just pull one thing out of like B1 and then two things out of B3 like right now and then motion for it. Um, I just think we're going to have
there's a lot of commonality in those designs. So, I don't think you necessarily have to pigeon hole to one zoning area. Go through are they all the same? If we feel that we want to get rid of it in one place, make the argument of why we shouldn't do it at all if they're all
the same, you know. Well, it goes back to do you want a licensed daycare and your industrial part, but the design standard doesn't determine if it's a daycare or not. No, but the conditional use does. Right. Right. Right.
We're we're getting far far ahead. We're going we're going with the whole entire thing. Everything in here. Design standards. you know what's permitted. I think well and honestly I I think I don't want to get hung up just on design standards. Okay. I I'm just going off of what part agenda item was was the design standards
cuz that's what correct you asked for. I think there is a place of course for the uses, but I almost would like to decouple those conversations and have them separately because you can have an independent conversation about design standards
from what do we want to allow for zoning or for uses, permitted uses, conditional uses, whatever, because I think they're both important conversations and that's why I don't think we should have them collectively. we should focus on one and then focus on the
other. Even if it's in one meeting, they're separate agenda items. I I don't know because I mean, you're going through a whole packet for B2. You're going through the whole packet and if you go through a public hearing, wouldn't you want to just focus on B2 and then for design for uh for uses? Yes. But if
you look if you look at the design portion of each of these, they're awesome. They're almost identical. Well, right. That's why I say you can do the design conversation independent of the zoning. Um I think it's an easier thing to get
done and then have a much larger let's break down each zoning because I agree there there needs to be a discussion about the uses if we if we need to scale back on conditional use. Um, but I I I don't want to bog down that
discussion with including the design standards because if we can independently take care of design standards and just get it off the table. We had the discussion, then we can really dig into the other stuff which is going to be a larger discussion and we can focus on it.
That's what I'm thinking. Now that that we got that muddy water all cleared up. So divide and conquer. Well, that's that's my thought process on it. So right now as far as what what I'm going to relay to the PNZ with uh
council member on Monday night. So, the mayor said focus on B1 limited business um and address lighting and building materials and focus on B1 limited business at
meeting. Is that correct? Am I still on the same page? One, two, and three. Edit. I I would just try to get as much as you guys can get done. Um like B1, B2, B3, whatever it is. Um, I know you guys got
some things going on with planning and zoning. You know, I don't want you to be here till 9 o'clock. Well, they won't be. Mr. Mayor, about 8:30 is that cut off line for um 8:27. Well, we're getting there. So, I think as the as the as the discussion
was being had um then it was brought up, you know, we're dealing with businesses that are looking at that CI and uh I2 B2 Yeah. CI I2 I2.
Yeah. So, Corey, I would do B2C. Um, that's what we own. And that's the others in the industrial park. I don't know. You could throw I2 in there, too. If you got time,
basically where we have vacant land, right? Mhm. because that's our focus, right? This direction helps a lot. I think this will streamline the the amount of meetings that will be held for this. Yeah. So, Mr. Mayor, um, and council member,
Monday night, B2, CI, I2, um, looking at addressing the lighting, building materials as the priorities, and then reviewing the rest of the design standards. This is not getting into the zoning because zoning will be a
a different a separate conversation. Is that correct? Yep. All right. I'd keep it open just in case something were to come up. Got it. That's why I kind of been hitting on it, too. It's just in the event that something comes up.
But we got time, you know. It's not like somebody's going to build a building tomorrow. Mhm. So, okay. Council member of a safe coat, are you happy, Jamie? I'm happy. And then once we get this out thing done, one thing to consider would
be like an onboarding packet. Like if you want to build a garage sale, then there are standards. So, they're not halfway into the design process. And then they got to change a bunch of stuff because that adds this to the cost
and it's a lot sometimes. Yep. Yeah. We try to be very upfront with uh developers and builders, business owners. We send each of the developer any inquiries. We have a standard package that goes out as far as getting them the
the zoning requirements immediately, the land use application, um landscaping requirements, parking requirements, sign requirements. Uh we've done that with the potent with the big speed. We've done that with uh the
um I'm sorry, Bastier Point uh apartment project. Quick Trip is a perfect example of it. They had everything from the get-go. So, there was no coming back and redesigning any of their exterior um features to their pro to their concept
plan. Mhm. Yeah. I think uh I think if you look at like you know these brick buildings, I mean, they're they always last the longest time. They're great, but you can drive around to other cities and see that they uh some of these buildings
look really nice, even if they aren't brick, you know. So, but all right. Um, anybody else have anything they want to add to that before we head to this final? No.
Okay. Well, consider approval of a listing contract exclusive right to sell 415 Central Street West between the city of Londell and Remax Advantage Plus
Delair. Uh all right. Um now that we're uh into this building and on Monday uh the north basement wall will be repaired at at the old city hall. Uh I did reach out to uh Lisa Slazachk about being the listing agent to sell um the building.
Uh after we toured it, she reviewed comparable sales and drafted the proposed listing agreement. Uh basically a summary of it is it would be a six-month contract through the end of February 26. Uh she would have the exclusive right to sell the property, be
listed on the MLS, uh being sold as is. Uh we would not be able to lease it during the term of of the contract. uh were to provide any relevant information on and access to the property, make that available to uh her and potential buyers.
As far as the uh the commission, it's broken down several ways. uh worst case would be 5.7% and that is uh 3% that uh the city as the uh seller would be responsible for
and I believe after the first of the year or as of the the first of the year um these rates can be negotiated between the buyer and the seller. So um the 5.7 will be three 3% for the city and then
2.7 for the buyer. Um, again like my next bullet point, 3% if we negotiate that we're not paying their uh broker's commission. And then I did have a conversation with her about um if the property would be
sold prior to it being listed um that we would be able to uh negotiate different terms. Then uh if if we sell it uh within 180 days after the contract uh ex expires to
anyone that inquired about the property to us but we didn't tell them uh there would be a commission paid and then uh if sold to anyone that was shown the property and they are on the broker's list which would be provided to the city
within 72 hours after the contract expires. uh a commission would be due then as well. Uh she would coordinate the closing and also be able to represent both the uh city and the the buyer.
So um in addition to considering uh entering into this agreement, uh there should be discussion on a a listing price. Uh just some general information that I pulled from Beacon. Uh for 26, they have a taxable market value of 397,000.
Uh based off of our proposed 26 tax rate, uh that would generate uh just under $3,800 in taxes to to the city. Uh for comparison, in October of 22, uh the old Cohena uh building or uh the one
that's currently occupied by Ivory and Onyx sold for 235. And between the the two parcels that make up that property, they have a estimated or excuse me, a taxable market value of 314700 for payable 26. Uh I'm
anticipating the value of the property somewhere between 275 and and 325. Um might sell on the higher end um due to the lack of available office space. Um obviously it's only as worth as much
as someone's willing to pay for it. Um, you get the city council could go into close session to discuss a a listing price. Um, I don't know if that is is necessary. Um, I would certainly recommend it if we were, you know,
providing an offer and negotiating back and forth, but but we certainly can uh tonight. Um, to do so, we just have to state on the record the specific grounds for the closed meeting. uh described as the subject to be discussed. Identify the property uh must the meeting must be
tape recorded and the property identified and then uh that recording be retained for eight years. List of all council members and others present at the close session must be made available for the public after the closed meeting and then the actual purchase price must be approved at at an open meeting. Uh
since the city does have a comprehensive plan, uh the planning commission must review the sale of the property for compon for compliance with our comprehensive plan. That is on the agenda for Monday night. Um as far as the fiscal impact, that would depend on uh broker's commission
based on how it's sold and also uh closing costs and which are all based off of the the sale price. uh alternatives would be to not approve the proposed listing agreement and then included with uh the staff report is the proposed listing contract.
I'd be happy to answer any questions of of the city council. All right, Scott, what do you think? So the question I had, so we had a taxes payable for value at 397, but then our
estimated market value is 275 to 325. Traditionally, your actual market value has been more than your taxable value. Uh for for residential, I would Yep. I would I would agree with that. Okay. Um, I I saw that at some commercial, so
that's why I was confused. I mean, that's kind of if if I was interested in purchasing old city hall, the first building I would go to would be the the Ivory and Onyx building. That's the most comparable uh building to the the current city hall. Okay. And
I I'm not I'm not arguing that. I just the numbers kind of correct threw me off there. But yeah, as far as you know, for comps, it would be uh and you know, um you know, we are fixing that north, excuse me, that north basement wall.
Um the windows need to be replaced in there. Um there are some HVAC uh items that would need to be addressed. Um the retaining wall down to the whole council chambers entrance, you know, that that
needs some work. So kind of thinking you know collectively of a purchase price then what what expenses they will have in addition to okay so the the county their valuation was is probably high
because if I remember correctly we we did not we don't pay any tax that that is to Rice current county either so the number is irrelevant we didn't we never contested it because it didn't matter right okay uh As much as I'd like to see the building sell for 395.
Yeah. I just don't see that being realistic. I don't think that's a realistic number. I just I just wanted to make sure the numbers I was reading it right. Yep. What one thing before I pass this on is
we did get an an offer before going into this, right? Uh yes. Do we want to do we want to discuss that um in a close session?
Uh if yeah, if there's going to be discussion of the council, that would definitely be my my recommendation. So I I think that I think that we should probably talk about that offer. So we have an offer on this building. Yeah.
Okay. I mean that's kind of a and then we can kind of changes the landscape for sure. So maybe that's what we should do is just go into closed review it keep the identities private
and we could probably finish this off in that close session right Joel or would we have to uh well I guess depending on what comes out of the the close session um we have to decision whatever decision
would be made would have to be done at at after that in open Mhm. public session. So, we need a motion to go into closed, right? Uh yeah, if you guys want to go into close session. Yes. Okay. I'll make a motion to go into close session to discuss it further the offer.
All right. Motion by Miller. Second. Second by Palava. Any further discussion? All right. All in favor? I. All opposed. All right. We will go into closed session. Yeah. Uh just real quick. So, um going
into close session to discuss an offer made on the property located at 415 Central Street West. Um yes. Yep. I'll have to record the the meeting and then provide a list afterwards if
asked and then yeah any actual formal decision would be made at a open session. All right. We want to go to the conference room. Conference room. Yeah, that's fine. Um,
do you have a copy of that? Printed it at all? Yes. Okay. I'm going to hit on the way. Yeah. We should have put the restroom for more people.
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inner city code. So ask Joe like we'll have to make permanently in there. You can't shave it. It's in the city. I can't change it without a public hearing. But you can't shave it out of there. You can. We're having a public hearing
about this. That would be awesome. Can you imagine? Oh, I would have such a fun time. That would be way better than the chicken public hearing. Yes. I wasn't there something about that that encode it for spelling. I thought there was something about that. I should be a proofreader.
Yeah, I even uh like the legislature they have to pass a special bill called the revisor's bill which is all the corrections. Yeah. How you going to enforce that one there? I think that conversation needs to be
done at the bar. Our microphones are open. Oh, we need a motion to reopen the Okay, everybody ready? All right, I'll call this meeting back to order.
We went into close session, discussed the offer of 415 Central Street West, and we will continue uh to consider approval of listing the contract for the exclusive right to sell 415 Central Street West between the city of Lonsdale
Remax Advantage Plus. I'll make a motion to approve the listing contract. All right. Motion by Worm Excursion. Second. You can have it, Jamie. Uh seconded by council member Vipekka. Any further discussion?
All right. All in favor? All opposed. All right. Now, department and council reports. Uh Joel. Thank you, mayor, members of the council. Um yesterday we had a public
works meeting with Balden Mink. uh discussed our wellhead protection plan, the wastewater treatment plan improvements, CIP and the pavement management plan, water tower sighting study, and getting data link up and running here pretty quick. I know Jason's excited to get these things to you guys at the next meeting, or at
least some of them. Um, Centerpoint Energy, just so everybody knows, they began or on Monday, they will begin the new gas main project in the lower northwest part of town. Um, and then today, seven rightaway permits came in for Mediacom, um, replacing a bunch of
fiber optics in town. Next Friday is John and Eli's last day. Um, those two young men have been absolutely fantastic. Uh, I just want to recognize them and thank them for a good good summer. Um, and hopefully they come
back. So, that's all I got for you guys. All right. Thank you, Joel. Corey, what do you got? Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've been working with the city administrator uh with the two developers uh recently on the Bixby property and then uh Bastier
Point apartment complex or apartment project. Uh I just want to make sure uh everybody knows that um we did call us call a uh special meeting for a public hearing uh for the comprehensive
amendment to reszone at B3. That's the lot across from Macintos, uh, central business to a plan unit development at 900 Ash Street Northeast. And that meeting, I want to make sure that everybody's clear. It's at a 7:00 p.m.
start time, not the normal 6:45 PNZ start time. But otherwise, uh, tomorrow morning, I'm going to get my, uh, with the comments, uh, from the council. I'll get my planning and my, uh, August 18th planning and zoning packet out the door
with the recommendations from the council tonight. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. All right. Thank you, Corey. How about you, Joel? Uh, staff touched base on a number of things that we are working on. um public works director and myself uh reviewed a draft kind of um request for services
for updating our pavement management plan and capital improvement plan. Uh so we we will be bringing that to the the next council meeting for council consideration working on the budget. Our next budget meeting is Tuesday the 19th.
There was some punch list items for the furniture here at city hall that was uh taken care of last week. Um we had the open house for uh this wonderful facility today. U appreciate everyone that attended, council member,
staff, the public. So thank you and yeah, otherwise other department has reviewed the other things that we're working on. So that's all I have. All right. Thank you very much, Ryan. How about you? Uh, next week on
Wednesday at 7 uh, excuse me, 6 pm um will be the library board meeting and then next Thursday at 700 a.m. is uh, EDA. So, no advisory board updates. Um, wanted to uh, say a special thank you to
everyone who hosted night to unite last week. Uh, it was great to get out and see everybody. Um, so thank you to the community for having us and inviting us out there. It's really a lot of fun to see everybody. Um, and then last weekend, community days, great job by the chamber
and everybody involved, all the volunteers, um, our police and, uh, other departments that came to help out. Um, everybody seemed to be having a good night. Um, it was great. Thanks for community days,
everybody. Uh, Villages of Lawndale. Uh, next, let's see, Wednesday, August 20th, they're having a community picnic from 5:30 to 7:30. Just found out about this tonight at the open house, and I told them I would mention it. So, um,
barbecue, there's a live music uh, band called Over Yonder. It's outside silent auction. So, that's coming up if anybody wants to go to that. And uh thank you to the staff for putting up with our long meeting tonight.
All right, Curry. Uh we had the parks board meeting on Monday and we are just um waiting on the final um the hidden willow pond has been approved through the DNR to be named, but I think we're just waiting on little
details, but it is official hidden willow pond at the Rezac Nature Preserve. So, that's nice to check that off the box. Um, we were just discussing um our budget for the parks and we really focused on Veterans Memorial and JC um talking a lot about pavers and
fixing up the fountain and planters and things like that. So, um to be continued and thank you to the chamber and everybody who volunteered for community day. It was a great time to be out and about with the public. And yeah, that's all I have. Ki, if I may, um, when you
mentioned the Veterans Memorial, um, I actually had a resident tonight brought up, um, they pointed out that there is no handicap accessible seating at Veterans Memorial Park, which, uh, just never really thought about it. So, I
don't know if there's a uh, way to modify or come up with something like that. So, I don't know if you park can look at that. As far as going up to a table, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. I didn't
I just never never even thought about it, but it just came up to me. All right. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Jamie. Uh on Monday, we are going to have a couple public hearings in planning and zoning. Uh one is to amend the ordinance
for the accessory buildings. The second one is to reszone the old city hall into a B1 district. And then after that, we're going to review and discuss zoning districts for the commercial area. And we also have to
review and discuss off streetet parking, loading, and access, which they have been discussing that since last year at this time. So maybe they should get it done this time. Yeah, let's let's hope.
All right. Thank you, J. Uh Scott. Well, as others have said, you know, Community Days was last uh weekend. Um uh I guess shout out to Rail 19 for doing the Friday night event. You know, helped uh you know, set the tone for the weekend.
Um big thank you to the police department. We had so many officers on deck and uh realistically um minimal issues if anything. Uh we uh fire rescue was out there. They helped fill the water tank.
they did their water fights but also we had the we had their presence there. Uh we had a minor medical emergency and because they were available you know both as civilians and uh you know somewhat official capacity able to treat somebody almost instantly.
Um so that went really well. Um and public works was an absolute huge uh huge uh asset to us. We appreciate everything. I've been working on community days for I don't know 10 15 years something like that and uh
the the cooperation that we have now with public works compared to you know years back is by far it sure makes my life a lot easier and and I look forward to continuing with that and uh you know
thanks to the all the volunteers and uh would really like to see more of you um you know and uh we're working on uh coming up with uh you know maybe even easier ways for people to volunteer for upcoming events. So, but thank you all for coming out and supporting the
chamber and the community for that event. Right. Thank you, Joe. My first shout out goes to you for driving us in the parade here today. Thank you. I love that uh we caught you waving in the photo, too. So
Oh, really? If you really zoom in, you can see you. But um yeah, I want to thank the chamber for community days. I know that it takes a lot to get that done and you guys did a great job rain and shine.
Um and then also to thank you uh for Rail 19 and the Lansdale Legion for having events on that Friday and another day for a community to get together. Thank you for that and the night to unite. Thank you to everyone that invited us out. I didn't make it to uh
two out of the five, but they're going to be the big priority next year. I can promise you that. Uh John and Eli, thank you for your time here. Um hope to see you next year if they come back. Um tomorrow, we have a meeting with a
potential uh daycare center that's looking at coming to Lansdale. And then on Monday, we also have another meeting for um somebody coming into town to possibly pursue building a uh commercial uh building for more offices. So um
thank you to all of council and thank you to uh the city staff for today for the grand opening of uh city hall. And and I said it then during the ribbons uh cutting ceremony and I'll say it again. Thank you to our city administrator Joy
Ericson. All that you've done. So other than that, uh, our upcoming meetings are August 19th, 2025, August 28th, and September 9th, all at 700 p.m. Um, if there's nothing else to
be said, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn this meeting. I'll make a motion. All right. Motion by Miller. Second. Second by Palava. All right. Any further discussion? Thank you, city staff, for sticking with us tonight. All in favor?
I. All opposed. All right. This means now adjourned. Have a good night, everyone. Yeah. Finally got rid