Monday February 24th to the flag of the United States of America and to the for it stands one nation God indivisible andice for all for right
I'm sorry Mr chair can you please repeat that e I suppose it didn't it didn't need to be made but but it was made it did yeah all right move on okay thanks Jeremy so
we'll move on to that's approval of the minutes public hearings we have none uh Mr chair let back up just a second here okay um so as far as
approval of the January 27th meeting uh we have one change from gadada um also discuss jery and then do we have a motion to approve amendments yes all right after Yeah by
Tim yeah and a second by Mike thank you okay so public hearings we have none pres presentation of citizens petitions and
comments comments limited to two minutes is anyone here that wants to make a comment if you do you come up to the podium give us your name your address no one okay we'll move on to
approval of the consent agenda there is nothing so we'll go to Old business discuss the preliminary chicken ordinance 202 25- 330 thank you Mr chair and good evening uh Planning and Zoning commission um at the last meeting we
started discussing uh the preliminary chicken ordinance um at the last at the January 27 25 Planning and Zoning commission meeting the commission started the review and discussion of the preliminary chicken ordinance that uh council member Jamie
requested at discussion a motion was made by kadada and seced by freed to not permit the chickens within the city of lawdale this is what we were talking about earlier in the agenda there was a motion at that time uh 32 uh the council
uh and thank you for all that attended the first uh work session uh which was on February 6 uh based on that our first Council work session um the council wanted us to come back and continue working on the
chicken ordinance um for further and conducting further review um of the chicken ordinance so between our last Planning and Zoning commission meeting the work session meeting staff got together uh City
administrator um Police Chief Fire Chief uh and myself constructed the draft ordinance uh the chicken ordinance of 2025 330 so tonight uh we're still discussing this
we're still collecting feedback um and Direction here from the Planning and Zoning commission but there's a few uh bullet points here in the staff report that we need to uh answer to start filling in the BR in the blanks so we can start moving forward with this
chicken orance so I'm hoping that everybody had a chance to review the chicken ordinance uh proposed chicken ordinance 2025 330 which is in your packet um I highlighted everything in yellow uh based in the
preliminary draft and so basically where are we going with chickens um so first of all we just have to answer a very simple question how many chickens are we going to or is the Planning and Zoning commission going to recommend so let's
start with that question uh Mr chair I'll leave it up to you to begin that discussion we've seen there's been anywhere from 3 to six what do you guys have for feelings on that I mean are there any restrictions in any other
towns to see what they're at well the Elco and Max is six yeah Max is six so yeah Minneapolis allows more they do but you pay more for it too yeah I don't I could care less how many chickens
I say go in the middle and be good enough four chickens or something that's what I I like that go ahead I like to go off just the the mathematics on the loss of it like kind of we discussed last time you get a 10 to 22% attrition rate and then if you get a particularly harsh win or even if you're taking really good care of them you could still end up
losing chickens I tend towards the high side anywhere between the six to eight Jer Jeremy I don't know I'm more or less thinking that maybe the four to five range but not thinking of the attrition you know I've not raised chickens before
so I don't know what the problem I see with that is you're talking so many square feet per chicken and you get to six to eight or whatever that Coupe gets pretty good size um it's going to be no bigger than a shed than a decent size shed
M Jim zero zero that's my feelings too but they want us to do this so we can help them along all right say no more than four Jamie let me pick your brain real
quick what's Minneapolis uh if they're paying for the high side what are they maxing out at 100 bucks and you get a rooster 15 chickens and that's about 50 bucks I can't remember the rate on that one the rooster one stuck out because you can have a rooster at a 100 bucks a
year um you got to remember Minneapolis is a big area so it varies on where at in Minneapolis what you're going to be able to do yeah see it everywhere on that you could go the option of doing it based on lot size too where then somebody with a
smaller lot then would be more limited you're looking four to five chickens and if you have a bigger parcel of land then you are looking at at a 68 something like that I think this is written up if I read it correctly if it's less than you if it's less than two and a half acres they limited it to four
three to six chickens the lots and that's up for discussion in our in our draft ordinance so people don't care how big their lot is they want five chickens just like the next person does they don't care what the reason why is right I be consistent with just the
number could we go on family size versus lot size because if a single Bachelor is out there he does not need six chickens but a family of six might need six chickens that's something I haven't considered that sounds like a nightmare
to enforce I think so that's a nightmare to enforce that one gets six all your neighbors got six four kids he moves out family moves in just from an enforcement perspective it's nice when things are consistent yep
I agree and not oh there's a carall for this and there's a carall for that you know it's proposed if you you have to live in a single family detached home to have chickens is that what we want so if you live in a townhouse you can't have
chickens that's my thinking I I'm just bringing this up for consistency no when when we're issuing permits no one cares what the other they just care about what they're going to have just just like here Minneapolis you know we at the park meeting before Oh
was a city in Northfield you know we could pick out probably 40 things that we don't like about those communities but they're doing it yeah should we do that too you guys at the end of the day you guys are the Planning Commission you go make the recommendation we're just trying to from from the staff's
perspective we accept all opinions consistency in mind is is much easier to enforced and having these car balls for this and that I definitely agree I agree set number and be done with it go with that I don't know Jason how much work do you
want enough that's enough yeah I don't mind meeting in the middle saying eight too high go I would go six again that allows for again winter and attrition when you get checks are we going to have to do a motion on each one of these no it's just a recomendation
this input the direction that's going to be inserted into this working dve all right so but I would like to make sure that we're answering questions tonight so we can move forward with this yes so where we're at right now anywhere between zero and six so um what is our
recommendation here as far as keeping this a very streamlined process as far as a number of chickens all right what do you think Tim I would just go to set number you know not based upon family size or anything that's going be a a nightmare for
somebody to try to to follow through with it so I would say yeah let's go with six chickens and just be done with it so Jeremy I would say that that's fair yeah six Jim zero I'm going
last Mike's next Mike six six all right well six of all right so I guess we're saying six all right thank you okay uh this so the next so referring your draft
ordinance 2025 330 so Mr Ericson did bring up a really good point here uh the owner of chickon of the chickens um the owner of the chickens reside in detached have chicken detached or
attached dwelling so this this get a really good point or is the city going to permit chickens in a twin home um or just detached uh residential I say only detached residental
EV where I'm Le yeah boy that's just like or next to us at templex mhm that'd be oh my God that'd be that'd be a lot of fun your town homes are
connected to each other so I don't think there's enough room I usually lean way more towards the the free of it but I I tend to agree with Jim on that that you're getting cramped on Space there if you two town homes are going to want to plug in chickens each of with
cou so not only uh basically know by the water chickens delaw Street conne yeah Ash Street all those new went T homes yeah that's what we're
saying well how big is it give a lot for two of those homes that attached if they meet the set yeah you know sing like by the 25 ft from their house they're 10 ft from the property line but just because they're connected they're somehow less responsible and
more fire prone or I don't know I'm just playing the devil's advocate here I'm thinking of the ones I built over here and I yeah I I guess I would need to back up a little bit because those have pretty decent backyards yeah they're down the hill you know they're walk outs so they're what if you get neighbors that don't agree with each other too
exactly and both support like even if you set a single Coupe um because those properties the detach or attach can also do accessory structures in the background upon setbacks so it's just it's a very good question to be posed to the group
well if you excuse me if you have a couple sheds in your backyard you're probably not going to depending on what the setbacks are set you're probably not going to be able to meet it to have a chicken food because you can only have you have
to have so much green space in your backyard correct yeah maximum be I mean I could I couldn't could double car Gage in my backyard I think be over the
LI but you can give them the option though if they want to then reduce the size of what they have back there or remove a shed remove you know standing structure and put in and then put something in give them the option to they would have to do that oh yeah that's all on them yeah I'm just saying
you know you have a sh you want to take it out because where's your lawn that's all that's all and and going through this I didn't see anything in here to where if somebody has chickens and it comes out
my yard and I take that chicken and cook it am I going to be in trouble or is that guy who has a chicken responsible for keeping it on his property okay I got to ask you if a neighbor's dog goes on your property are
you cooking and eating the dog what are we doing here oh I'm sure there's some that would I am throwing stuff out of because there is a leash long the dog can't come out of the house without eat the chicken over the fence it'll kind of Glide down
whatever I'm just saying staying on task here stream y as far as uh detached attached um as far as the recommendation where we want to go here do we want to do both or
well I guess I have to back up on what I said and I liked what Joel said as far as if they meet the set backs okay give him the option yeah you meet the setbacks okay understand probably would typically be a
larger structure than the single family you I Know Chief had information concern yep that's in y so so we go that route but
apartment buildings would be out and the other thing would be rental I know there was a question on that in here this would be kind of under the same area and uh frankly I mean I've had rental properties in the past and I would want
to be the one that says whether there's going to be chickens in the backyard or not because if they don't keep up to it and they move out in the dark of night I'm cleaning it up so I would say no on the rentals I
agreed so rentals and apartments more than t homes would be out I agree y make sense up to the landord on the rental you can but then again you're going to be fighting another individual
headache yeah that would be yeah agree so all right what do you guys think is that good sounds good I agree okay all right so I want to back up here Mr chair so no apartment buildings and no rental properties right
right here right that's what I think and they seem to agree should should it be up to like up to the guy who owns the land that's renting the house if they ask him and he says have him on the
permit well that would be the only way you'd be completely responsible for it but if he says no then it's no M you have to respect the guy who wants it exactly I guess it would up to the rental guy I suppose if he owns it and
if he's going to let it go like what Jamie said put him on the permit yeah I would never do it but yeah that's fine put him on the permit he's responsible for it right that way if they sneak out leave a mess got the same 10 same 10 permit he's got to clean it same 10 days
to get it cleaned up and whatnot so all right we'll back off on that to that so the only Apartments anything more than two dwellings I guess it's kind of like if they don't own the property they well they can't save that either because
rental okay like trixes up in Lo okay triplexes so they don't own the land they on they own the unit right I'm not sure how that is I'm not sure how
that is up there the temp else y I know that's cic M that's typically the way that's done it's more than two we so okay number two under B the owner of the
subject parcel obtains a chicken permit from the city issued in compliance with this section nothing wrong there right all right uh the proposed process is is that's going to go through a planning and zoning permit through our ior system
okay no issue no no issues on that reinspection every Year's do you know keeping up to standards the only thing you'd have is just no complaints that's what I was going to say if you get a complaint and
I kind of made note about that you can do no complains and then you can even do uh randomized samplings of the population of the chicken owners that have permits and then every and yearly mix that up when it keeps owners on their toes that that they're staying on top of that making it an unscheduled
Burg I mean you still have to schedule them it's their property but you know some say we're coming by to to look and that's a that's a really good point because I know that the police chief made concerns that it's not just like we can go on somebody's property and say your your your your chicken is
being nuisance here I mean there there is a proper notification process which takes time an effort to go through but as far as I'm getting some clarity here we do want to see an annual inspection correct well do we do an annual
inspection for dogs we make we make them provide vaccines vaccines so yeah I don't know anytime you do a does a city want you know anytime you do an inp inection it's going to cost the taxpayers money yeah um I mean I don't know I mean I'd
be a fan for the randomized you know well that way yeah that way the workload isn't isn't as high you do it as a yeah as a spot check at complaint level that's just what I was going to say you get a complaint well somebody's gonna have to go check it out it's the same as if you complain about a dog yeah
yeah and for enforcement I mean permitting alone if if we're going to have a fee attached to permitting that can help with the enforcement aspect of it too yeah but more than one in one inspection eats up 50 bucks pretty easily so our 30
teally I know that when the council approved the fee schedule this year in our fee schedule staff time in that fee schedule was $79 50 cents so I'm hoping that based on this process here is if it's going through the planning zoning
permitting process there's a fee on the city Side uh right now it's just a $40 fee and then there's a taking inspection fee through the uh building inspectors so we're already looking at $102.50 so I do want to make sure that
there is there is associated fees in place already that are very similar to the fencing to the to the fence permit to the accessory structure permit uh permit process and there's fees already identified in the in annual fee
structure so just keeping that in mind just moving through this process here and I am keeping that in mind every time you send somebody there somebody's costing money and um that was something I had noted was if they get complaints from the neighbors sometimes they're
legitimate sometimes they're not you know what I mean if they're legitimate can we put some kind of a fee on it or is that not a good idea would have 10 days to to correct it that how it's written 10 days to Ed okay or they have
10 days to them get rid of the chickens yeah I me you could be called there the same person could complain two three days in a row if it's I suppose you can tell them they got 10 days to clean it up so it isn't stinking so bad or something like that but um how many times does somebody have
to go there and tell them and then we had a long discussion on Code Enforcement also the work session so yes a letter used to work uh not so much anymore so then it gets into jumping right into the attorney we don't get a
response after 10 days then it moves to the attorney's office that was another thing I noted then uh who's who's responsible for the attorney's fees then going to go back to the homeowner the chicken razor I guess we'd have to
ask legal about that yeah that get spendy then I think at that point you'd actually have to take them to court and get those awarded yeah but I mean you start doing that there aren't too many attorneys
that are under 150 bucks an hour you can find one for under 150 bucks I'm saying I'll have to call you later food for thought all right so we were down to C permit
required we we decided that Desiring to keep chickens shall submit to zoning permit the city of lawdale and pay a permit fee we decided that's that's good right everybody y permit application include an educational handout concerning the raising of backyard
chickens prior to permit issuance applicant shall acknowledge that they have read the handout and they'll sign I saw on new markets Elco New Market they'll sign that they read that and Mr chair that would be part of the per you acknowled of signature when you
do EV accessory building online permit process sure so that that that part nothing okay right and the application should include the following the breed number of chickens to be maintained on the premises well we have that at six okay and a written statement the app
applicant shall at all times keep the chickens in accordance with all the conditions prescribed by the city that failure to obey such conditions shall constitute a violation of the provisions of this chapter and will be grounds for revoking the
permit any objections to that you guys nope no all right do you guys want to talk about a fee or well that's back up to Fe I mean cover back up to Fe are be screaming I saw it said $50 and $30 for
Renewal and uh um we want to do any more than that or yeah I don't know I guess for now that'd probably be fine to start out with how about a really big lump something right up front never have to pay it again like 300
bucks yeah but then cost eggs they're going to come up with 300 bucks but then how do you revoke it you know if you revoke it after six months that's their problem in that case
yeah so do they have to like then uh come to renew that permit or I guess so no I mean not for a feed but I mean just to renew it suppose you call City Hall and tell them yeah I'm going to keep the chickens
so yeah you have to on annual basis just not just not make make because I think that was the Reon re for having some kind of fee is so that they come back every year to renew it come back in yeah so you can keep track of what's going on so yeah but you could do a renewal and not
charge but I think all the other towns they do an annual renewal fee yeah some do some don't yeah it's whatever you want to advocate for sounds good that's a one time shot they just
got to come in every year to renew their permit if they to they they're under that scenario would be I'm right on the fence on both those you're buying your fishing license your lifetime fishing license right
yeah realistically if you move sh you'd be paying 200 so you got a choup there you should be paying 200 bucks is otherwise we're going to have the r Pole where I'm putting this nice 8 by10 chicken cou and
then the chickens never show up and then you just got a chicken Co there you pain her in lawn well whose fault is that though yeah but they just got buy cheaper because they paid 50 bucks for a chicken coop versus 200 bucks for a storage but
if you make it so that that unit can only be used for chickens not storage of anything else and they can't use it for a there are stipulations on how it has to be built so and out of what well that poses okay so that poses a a future
question coming our way as far as uh discussing all right to consider a current accessory building or accessory structure conversions if you have a shed in your backyard convert it to a chicken Co but
like I said I want to stay streamline here and stay on task as far as the discussion goes so are we the the Planning and Zoning is considering a onetime lump fee is that what I'm taking uh from the conversation
are there any other cities that you know of that are doing that I think I'm sure there's some there's over 200 ordinances I didn't read them all well yeah yeah there's some that are doing a onetime fe though yeah I've got really no opinion
either way I don't fense but I think I'm leaning one time fee an option mhm not everyone's going to be this to cut a check for 300 bucks right yeah that's not a bad idea maybe leave it openend me that's
why everyone wants chickens right because eggs are so expensive and we're GNA I don't know just right we can't even charge $100 for a uh the cannaboid product without hearing about it oh really wow so
I think I like the idea of there giving them the option then going one time love Fe that that's not a bad meet in the middle on it otherwise then because then it's a reoccurring fee and if they're good chicken you know good chicken tenders it's more chasing uhhuh
right $300 for 10 years $50 a year otherwise sounds good to me sure okay all right 50 annually yeah and that's the initial
fe50 okay non-refundable if they give you the $300 and two years later they change your mind yeah okay all right so uh number three uh the application
shall include the following uh the breed number of chickens we decided on that uh six written statement that applicants shall at all times keep the chickens in accordance with the conditions prescri prescribed by the city and the failure day will revoke the permit uh legal
description of the real property so this is where we get into the Planning and Zoning uh the legal description or certified survey requ for all properties submitting a offence permit and accessory structure so do the same rules apply here for the chicken coup I would
say so yes so someone doesn't have a survey for their property thousand bucks M but most of the time especially with the newer homes you should have the survey yeah I'm just yep because it's
all about saving money right right yep and all of a sudden we're mhm you could be two grand into getting a survey and a coupe and right cuz if you don't do that then you're going to have The Neighbor Next Door saying he's got his chicken two feet off the line we re for
everything else I'm just all a sudden these cost for right for an alternative for people to suppos to save money all a we're up they're not saving money anymore we don't have the chickens yet right I'm pretty sure it's forone
conclusion all right so yes to a site plan for the property showing the location and size of the proposed chicken C run that a survey survey we talked about yeah and you'd have to have a site plan also with to get your permit
corre uh chicken C to the property lines setbacks from the chicken C to the property lines and surrounding buildings including house and buildings on adjacent Lots so that's another thing uh basing setbacks on your neighbor's house
or from your neighbor's house some say some examples had setbacks from your neighbor's house and others just had setbacks from your property line from your own property I think if you're building a chicken C the setbacks got to come from your property
lines yep I'm trying to think if there'd be an issue where I know Jason and and uh the fire chief mentioned 25 ft from structure from the main structure and stuff like that for fire safety I don't know if you'd have anybody structure yeah right so I don't know if you'd have
it maybe in a culdesac where you'd have a neighbor's corner of the house that would be closer that be included a garage also everything may be tough to fit in some of these you're only adding five feet
or yeah five feet because you got 10 foot from the neighbor the neighbor's house should be 10 feet from the boundary your house should 10 ft from the boundary line so technically you're only 15t from the boundary line all right yeah like I say I
couldn't think of anywhere it would happen that way but well we've got I mean eag Creek is yeah I think one's five isn't the south end of town 5et
yeah is it was high density or something that time so then you're closer should your neighbor what your neighbors doing with their property affect what you're doing with yours I guess is my that kind of always does doesn't it well not for a
shed not for no but I mean then you got to meet the same setbacks and whatnot um but it's not b no it's not based off of their house though that's true I can build an accessory Garage in my backyard and store flammable M liquid
this is true yeah yeah so what do you guys think keep it to the setbacks what is the player Chief said what 25 yeah
concerned fried chicken I think it's more of your neighbor's house but otherwise all right so including so this is just setbacks on the property owners property right correct so that's where we're going with yeah I guess so
okay uh e the permit shall be included in C City's adopted Fe schedules we talked about that uh $300 for 10 years uh $50 for initial registration or fee and then $50
Ren y okay all right other information as may be required by the city administrator and or doign need necessary to process a permit um the city administrator and Des shall process the application that's our
ey work system all initial permits shall expire on December 31st of the following year after the issuance unless sooner revoked renewal permits shall expire on December 31st so on the staff level talking about this if we're going for our inspection are we expecting this
chicken coup on December 31st of each or the second year of the process so it was made made aware to us should we be doing this doing our renewals in July or June
so if uh commissioner conu gets his application in Planning and Zoning the fee you made the fee the setbacks everything has been approved Pays His initial fee so then he waits to the following year he's like I'm just going to do it annually so instead of
paying at December 31st it would be at that June okay during the summer month window some place in there right so that that was just brought up especially with the inspections but U it's one of the questions we're posting here
tonight I'm fine moving that so they don't have to do it in the dead of a I think I so we can have like years ago that too but at the same time if the homeowner is knowingly going to put in a spot that it's not supposed to be why is that the city's problem for them to have to move
it because when we talked about at the staff level I was like yeah okay that makes sense so we're going to go out there on the inspection we're going to make sure it's 25 ft from their house and whatever the setback is from the property line right perfect signed off you're good to go you know they would
actually have to physically have you know them and their buddies come over and move it closer to the property line mhm so is that really something the city needs to be worried about You' have nebor moved it in violation you'd probably have the neighbor complaining
by then and you'd have somebody going to check it again but yeah um and that gets into the bigger another larger question too stationary or movable as far as the chicken C or I
I thought I read in here that it couldn't be removable that had to be stationary but maybe that wasn't one of elos or I saw it yeah you were looking at the cages I saw that yeah to be off the ground so many so there's going to have to be a building permit and everything for the
whole M yeah because we'll be checking setbacks and okay that's up to you know what do you guys want do you want it to be the end of the year or do you want it in the middle of the summer $50 doesn't go very far you're going to be during the summer
makes the most sense I I understand that but yeah July 31st yeah but if the owner knowing mov in violation yes July 31st why is that the city's problem to have to figure out how to right typically wouldn't you get chickens in the spring
yes April May you get them this year yeah you can get them I um this year they started in February it's kind of fun so keep warm they're going to want to put in their application and want to
get building you're going to have to check the stakes and whatnot so if we said um April 1st for March 1 you guys AE I can't see that anybody's going to be out there if we have a winter like we had two years ago with how many feet of
snow in the backyard and moving it around to get their and maybe they would I don't know well it's going to be summertime because you know it's going to K the grass trampol trampolines there just these big jet spots in there they
yard they're going to get moved right I I get it I agree summer makes the most it shouldn't be the city's concern j's got a good consideration you want to say you want me to I thought that was a decent consideration time you're checking it like after it's
spilled to make sure everything's up to Cod do they have to show what type of heater they're going to use in the winter so they don't bring some you know cheap thing in because I know I read in here uh uh player Chief recommended a certain kind of heater to be used and
and a couple of them that shouldn't be us short of them saying on their application yeah you're not going okay need to have listed there and then a randomize inspection if they violate that then there's your notice to
get fixed M all right what do you guys think what's the date think it's easier for them to do it I just on July 31st because it was a date okay yeah all right all right July 31st okay we'll do that they will all Renew on
July 31st correct they're not going to do any pro or nothing so okay no the process and we just talked about if there's a $300 fee for 10 years got you that simplifies the process yep I agree
okay uh the city upon written notice mayoke a permit for failure to comply with provisions of the section or any permit conditions the city May inspect the premises for which a permit has been granted in order to ensure compliance with the section if the city is not able
to obtain the occupants consent to enter the property the city shall re roke the permit uh the city May revoke and any permit issued under the section if the permit holder fails or refuses to comply with requirements of the section or any
state local law governing or laale city code chapter 91 nuisance or health and sanitation nuisances the cruelty of animals or keeping of of animals any person whose
permit is revoked shall have the right to appeal the revocation to the city council so I know that Chief wanted to speak up on this a little bit as far as enforcement that there's a reality to this my thing is
just comp I agree good point um then on it for the 10-year permit so I said he said it was nonrefundable so right somebody's into it year he has perit vote here's you
know so says that in there that it's non-refundable cuz you know they're going to want their MH money back mhm yeah not prated done
okay all right uh any person whose uh permit is revoked or who fails to renew a permit shall within 10 days thereafter humanly dispose of all chickens owned uh kept or harbored by such person on the property
M right if a person has their Perman Revolt can they come back then after soten app for one or they just it said earlier they'd have to go to the counsel they could to appeal appeal it okay sorry so you're talking
maybe like six months later yeah I'm just saying you know okay following year whatever years pull my pull my per permit in January so I let it go during the winter and then I come in June come back here and
ask for another perm I mean I was just wondering if your permit is revoked is it revoked for so long before you can appeal it or can you appeal it anytime I'm assuming you'd appeal it when you got the violation
yeah then the council would make a decision at that time okay but yeah I don't believe that there's anything in here that talks about if it was revoked mhm can you get one later I wouldn't put a lifetime band but I'd make it one to two a year maybe one
to two year statory limit on it okay that hurs yeah chick you have to V Boton eggs okay uh General d uh General standards for
keeping of chickens the keeping of roosters is prohibited uh chickens shall not be raised or kept for the purpose of fighting uh number three chicken shall not be kept in a dwelling barage or
accessory structure other than those meeting the requirements of the enclosed coup so as I mentioned earlier this was brought up about okay I have an accessory building it's already permanent it's there can I convert it to a coupe add a
run to it uh thoughts and or discussion with the uh commission I know it's common enough uh that those with that if you have eggs and you're actually incubating those you're going to want more heat controlled and it's not uncommon for people to actually have that set up in
their garage and so they'll have the chicks in their garage until they reach a certain size and they move them to the CP but then you'd be talking heaters they probably have gas cans yeah guess the chicks don't need they just need to be close to the lamp so that it's literally plugg in lamps they bring
that they that they bring in and then literally you have a little pin set up and it's I mean it's a very tiny space that you would set this up in your garage so then also would we be permitting chickens in the garage then also I don't like that no that's that's I'm
just telling you what people do for raising them I'm not saying that we should something that again if they if they get eggs from somebody and that they're going to incubate them you don't want them outside necessarily they cou by himself you want them in a control much more controlled environment and I just know from the work session that we
had and J you can correct me if I'm wrong on that like eggs you're going to be in an incubator um they're going to be in a control humidity control temperature control a control control environment in the incubator that is plugged in yes it is completely
safe from an incubator standpoint once they hatch they get moved out of the incubator into a Bruder the Bruder you're only allowing six chicks that it's basically your Wash Tub that you can keep them in with a little container
it's a pint jar a quart jar with the feed on the bottom for feed a cork jar for water and then a heat lamp bul the problem most Farmers have is they use a rotten piece of twine tie it up call it good and then a couple years that piece
of twine breaks the bulb falls down into the bedding and catches fire if you have it secured with a chain or a wire it's never going to fall it will be safe that way but yes some people take advantage and use something that they shouldn't have to be H
to I'd allow immature chicks into the garage or in your basement three weeks after that they got to be out in that's that's more policing yeah I agree you know what if they're going to want to do it they're going to do it
anyhow you know they're not going to tell us you know and if we put it in there this is gave them another reason to find a Lo hole or something we'd be encouraging it kind of thing you we just discussed earlier six Maxs six female
chickens yeah I would stay with three the way it is I was just I was just propos saying like this is something that may very well happen if somebody's going to do it oh sure they are but I don't think we should be condoning it it's up to them that's yeah their
issue but getting back to the question though gentlemen or Commissioners um as far as accessory buildings are we going to allow conversion is is there a recommendation to if if you have this two this 200 square foot uh accessory uh
accessory structure that was already uh met was approved by Planning and Zoning permitting five the accessory structures 5T off the property line meets all the setbacks um it matches the principal color or shade and color of the of the
home are we going to permit that to be converted into chicken food oh boy is it going to be 25 ft from the house probably in most cases some AR but accessory build accessory structures
for sure they have to be 6 feet away from the house yeah I know they were talking I think Joe fire chief had it 25 ft from the house the principal structure from the property line 15 25
ft I thought that's our maybe it was oh here from residential structures including homes garages and sheds at least 30 feet reduces fire spread risk to homes and out buildings prevents issues with ventilation odor and pests provides a
buffer for emergency response so I guess if they're far enough away it meets the criteria already yeah yeah I think if it if it meets it yeah then I think it's fine but if they're too close
then and you have these people giving you their opinion and I certainly think they know what they're talking about mhm okay all chickens should be kept in EN Clos Coupe and run at all times and have access to an enclosed cou
meeting the following minimum standards the enclosed coup may not occupy any front or side yard a maximum of one coup per lot shall be permitted okay big question highlighted here the
enclosed cou shall have a minimum size of four square feet per chicken and shall not exceed a maximum of 40 sareet in total there comes that old building so as far as a square footage here uh four square feet is
that or 40 no4 that all means I think 40 is still good yeah but I mean 40 square ft there isn't an out building out there a garage or whatever or that's 40s that small you know they're going to
be just going to put a wall up the center yeah and take it out after you leave or or use it for Storage storage put the feed in the front that'd be the best bet put feet in the same building I
wouldn't put a Max on it maybe put a Max on the pen size inside the shed so if you got a 80 square foot shed you can have like 30 square feet or 40 square feet for pen space and then the rest can be storage
space but then we get back into the inspection side of things and who cares just assume that you're going to do it one time they're not going to rip it out you come out there to inspector face okay Pen's right here what why would
they rip out they went through all that stuff well they will all right y that so this is what we've been talking about for a while also here the enclosed cat shall be set back a minimum of 25 ft
from the principal structure and at least 10t from all property lines and shall not encroach upon utility ass now we're looking at basically requirements for Access structure y he had 30 so I think we we had the conversation
about at least being a minimum of 25 ft away from the principal upon uh the information gathered and based upon range here I guess yeah he added at 30
but what do you guys think set 15 to 25 I mean if that's the fire chief's recommendation neighboring residents I say stick with it at the 30 or 25 25
yeah okay the fire chief recommended 30 30 oh okay well he's okay at least 30 feet he says at least 30 feet yeah I mean we could change it to 30 feet I don't know if that do a matter is that big of a deal make it 30 anybody got a reason we
shouldn't well actually that's interesting Point highlighted in red um no will prohibit some having chickens so there's a lot of properties with Wetland buffer wetland in their backyards and utility
ements and just because you live in a detached uh or a detached home this could also be a major factor that sorry your L will not permit this right so I just want to make
sure that everybody is aware here um as far as there's a easement or similar example that we just went through with Wetland um boundary basically about 20t off the back of somebody's house just
like I said well in my mind it's like what's more important letting the fire department get there to save the house and the building or get the chickens in the yard chickens I think the SA of the people in the house is a little more important yeah I think so too all right
so leave it at 30 30 y all right all right uh the enclosed uh Coupe should not exceed 8T in height this was just information that was gathered are we okay with not in height yeah that's
fine leave it y all right uh this is a big one uh the exterior color shall be the same as or shade of color of the principal building uh if if we're looking at our accessory structures accessory structures have to
um meet this criteria and I know that at the Staffing level oh I want mine to look like a barn I paint it like a barn so I just want to make sure that we're staying the theme of staying consistent with the accessory structure
I think you have to yeah I agre I agree why bring more headaches all right I'm against both of those that's that's me though I I think color is a it's dumb I think it's an arbitrary thing that to fight and argue over we're not a homeowner's association
excuse me not a homeowners association council's considering getting rid of making the accessory structures the same as the house considering it would be kind of cool to have that Barn chicken CP out in the
backyard and natural cedar does not need to be painted why should you have to paint a cedar CP to match your final sighting uh thank you for sharing that and that should help guide our decision here so DFI I'm sorry you going to say something I was just going to say that
most of the chicken coops that you go online and order are Cedar I would say color doesn't matter so stri remove this then remove it all right um enclosed CPS shall be compatible with the principal structure
on the lot under no circumstances shall um sheet metal corrugated metal asbest iron concrete block be deemed accessible as a major exterior wall materials I agree who's using asbest it shouldn't
be can you get it anymore I need I was language taken away from no no I got I got it another city code I'm fine with it yeah yeah I agree uh Coupe shall not create a nuisance which may have characteristics
related to noise dust order glare unsightly building exterior uh the enclosed C be built to protect the chickens from extreme heat or cold the enclosed Coupe shall be at all times maintained in good
condition all chickens have access to a run meeting the following minimum stand standards the Run shall be attached to and provided access to the coupe the Run shall be set back a bit this will be that 30 feet again
30t oh the Run shall be set back minimum of 30 feet uh from the principal structure at least 10 ft from all property lines uh the accessory structure would be five do we want to
change that from 10 to if they want to use a shed they have to no right so we're going to change this to five no no no no I'm sorry going the
wrong way here okay uh but we're not okay with the museum like a metal or something like that maybe I mean we don't care what col is why should we care if it's metal or not it'd be safer for a fire yeah it holds the heat
in just just throwing it out there which what letter I was talking to Jim okay we're on the on the run that point I would anticipate majority of people to just a
chicken right y you're just GNA buy whatever one happens and I guess the only thing that I would say for cautioning all these setbacks that we're going to put on which is fine um but these chicken coops
are pretty lightweight um when we go through polar vortex like we did last two weeks you know pick Chicken Coop you bring it back underneath your deck well it's too cold my chickens are going to die that's
yeah that's the policing part of it right that's a good example of it like a fully enclos one so back to G yeah should there be stickers as far as materials go for the chicken well I think there should be
but I can just imagine what you're going to see there otherwise these pre-made ones are these those are asphalt shingles I'm assuming are they corrugated yeah we have one at our house um we actually have this one and
it's it's like Ikea furniture you get it it's just a kit you put together right um and I don't want to sound like I'm cruel but we don't have heat we don't have anything in ours and our do just body
keep with that said you know these things range in size you know ours is maybe 3 by3 at the right right so how do you keep it from the wind blowing I don't J picking up the neighbor's
yard well chickens can fly so s so okay well you know who's going to be in charge of chickens Patrol so that that that poses a good question so as far as materials go we need to
decide on that and then stationary are they can Mr Ericson put his chicken Co in and meets all the setbacks and then move it around because of the trampoline effect happen especially if that like I
really think that's what is right I'm not opposed to it either I mean if you have a even like is yours one that where you attach the run to to it and everything you got the full enclosure you move it around and it probably makes your grass grow really well in those areas when they're done after you move it I don't personally move mine we have
it in a stationary spot where it's Shady wooded and oh fair enough grass doesn't really grow there anyways um you know we're on the country though so we have a different different situation ours just free range wherever they want they go in there to sleep um but I just you know
having chickens myself it's just I think the challenges are going to be people are going to want to move them people are going to want to keep them warm in the winter whether whether they understand that chickens can fa that cold temperature or not you know they're going to well I
need to have a warmer um and then the other thing to consider you know with respecting the fire chiefs wishes for the setbacks I think part of allowing them to move it and
um closer the house is going to Aid in the upkeeping of the coupe itself in the winter well I think if we're talking about these setbacks and from every direction and whatnot if you're not going to make sure that that thing is
anchored down what sense does it make inspector walks away and they can move it up to the house I'm just saying um you know somebody has a walk out basement lot yeah where it's way down and it's winter of two years
ago you know accessibility for the eggs and cleaning it's just which is on them but just saying understand it the difficulty of it this isn't like going to the grocery store for your eggs right if you want to raise chickens it's it's
a job it's a full job certainly is I think closer is teaching them anything I mean if we have these setbacks it should stay there whether we have a harsh winter or
not right I'm just I'm just saying what I what I think what you know when Jason's out patrolling or if I'm out doing locates like I can just like that's what I think we're going to see you know well you know what's going to happen they're going to go through it's going to start to get cold and what not
they're going to move it up they're going to move it over neighbors going to call and complain they don't have it where it's supposed to be and Jason or you has to go over there and talk to him more expense why I think if you have
it you make it hook so it don't move that's just my opinion you got a neighbor in the neighbor anybody in the neighborhood that's not in favor of this you're going to be hearing complaints yeah I um again not to but you know the the smell I think for
for being able to move it I think that would really limit the smell if you could okay this spot okay now this spot okay now this spot you know I reduces dust the the dust from the Bing too if if it's mobile there are advantages to
like I get I get the argument too on on what he's saying with the setbacks and everything but again for the other sides of the nuisance portions for for Jason and uh that's you're limiting at least three of the four issues I'll go utilitarian on that I'd
say allow him to move then uh all right allow to move and then I just want to sorry going back to G again so are we pretty open to the build should we strike building materials then or do we need to have a specified
building material why don't you stay with this and then add in there unless you buy buy it like and I I just to say it is nothing
special we're talking the thinnest of thin you don't have two chickens stand in the same spot other Reas some warmth ladies with that moving can we state it that they have to at least maintain the
distance from the house the 20 the 30 ft or maintain all the setbacks there's no reason you can't move it around your yard if you're maintaining the setbacks right yeah like for an accessory shed you can move that around you know you're
not as easily not as easy but you can I don't know I just look at it when you have people mle on that that's I'm fine with that then too I mean let still maintain the set tax I mean Mr pumper has a very good like we said you don't want to be
hindering the fire department if they get called to fire in the garage or in the house if it's mobile they're not going to have an issue with that they're I mean they'll just push it out of the way yeah what about the chickens oh they're inside move with yeah they're going with
it as long as they don't use their axes usually whips up about that much and then you start pushing it and when they hit the wall they just start walking forward and slowly push it across yeah when they're outside yeah H but you've got a fire going in the
garage threatening to hit the house I don't know I want to be M making a lot of movement with the chickens and taking their time no they're going to go then if there's six chickens running around the neighborhood because the neighbor's house was on fire I think the neighborhood be a little more forgiving
the six chickens maybe so okay all right a maximum of one run per lot shall be permitted on see uh d The Run shall have a maximum size 20 square feet per
chicken that's just taking an average here so this being larger than so is that run included in the 30t from the structure or is it just a chicken it's included well it says the Run shall have
a maximum I mean we you're saying the distance from the the dwelling I know we had it same thing's going to be 40 are CP is going to be 40 square feet and
that's going to include a 20 foot run in it I think the run is ex addition that's Max too okay it'll leave you enough room for your your chickens are we okay with that 20 square
feet per chicken as a Maxum yeah is the max yeah yeah that's fine based on their lot size they're going to have to depending on the house they're have to trim that down anyways all right the Run shall fully uh the Run
shall be fully enclosed and covered with durable materials structure uh components of the Run should be consistent with CP materials uh fencing materials used as a run component sh'll be woven wire materials
and high quality wood resistant to moisture to moisture R aluminum rod iron Val vinyl composite or other similar material condition regularly maintain are we going too far with that
one as far as is there a height anywhere here that I missed how high does the fence have to be should it be enclosed you want to roof on it like that box what I showed you literally it would be like a square that
would come off the coupe if you build build so you nothing Predators aren't going to get into it so did we want a Max height on the chicken run then we've got it already on the 8T yeah you no keep keep that at the
same you can match it yeah um and this is a really hard this is the chief and I talked about this and this is this term has been mentioned a few times already the Run be good condition what does good condition mean y everybody has an interpretation
interpretation of good condition um is that something that we should remove here because uh Mr chair your your definition good condition is probably way different than mine it could be but I I think it should still
be there all right okay as a guideline well what do we have for the coup same thing I thought we have something similar yeah I know what I saw that Jason had that in there too and I fully agree but
what do you put there no holes in the yeah yeah well if they do they won't have chickens left all right the following minimum sanitation standards shall be observed at all times the slaughtering of chickens is
prohibited so we no this is this is really good because uh the administrator and I had a very interesting talk about this it's deer season yeah uh it's duck season fishing uh it's fishing
so what's the difference there you can skin it or okay field dress a deer am I right with that yeah F cut it up in your garage like can you cut up a chicken in your garage but I think with this would be so
it wouldn't be me chickens a a hat you could be raising them full-time or whatever and every so often butchering them off and selling them I don't know maybe I don't think everyone you just think about 200 chck
going duck hunting or I'm going goose hunting you know and those are significantly bigger animals than than the chicken so I can bring 10 of those home or whatever the number more the slaughtering part because that is kind of traumatizing to a young kid how they
butcher a chicken you cut its head off you let it flab on the yard if they're doing it in their garage who cares what they do in the but in theel is traa a little the slaughtering
chicken shall be inside yeah I don't know all right somebody slaughtering a c in their garage no slaughtering of chicken or slaughtering is prohibited I think leave it there y all right uh highlighted I got a yellow highlight
right here no chicken or Strike It Strike It Strike it can't you're gonna say that the guy can't tra trade Kors light for eggs with his neighbor that way or you know the zucchini situation I got a bunch of zucchini you have some
eggs give me some eggs I'll give you some zucchini you're eliminating barer just strike it I agree let let the people barter in amongst themselves too and they're not going to be producing enough eggs where then they're you know coming up to butts with say having to have a cottage license or something like
that well how are we enforce it okay all right we're getting closer with our pre with our second pre preliminary review here so all premises on which chickens are kept or maintained shall be kept clean uh from fil garbage and
substance which attract rodents the CP surrounding areas shall be clean frequently to control odor manure uh shall not be allowed to accommodate in a way that it causes an unsanitary condition or causes odors to
be detectable from another property failure to comply with these conditions may result in the replication of the chicken permit where do they take it uh myself and uh Tom the the mayor uh have both been talking to residents and some local
llc's that will handle the waste on it they're willing to to come in and dispose of it several residents in the say I'm not going to say who it is or anything yet but yeah they'll come and take care of it so yeah there we actually have several options in the in the city
itself I was just so they don't throw it in they you can't do it you don't want throwing it the okay that's good M compost it's really it'll make your grass grow
really green all right all crine moving forward All Grain and food stored for chickens shall be kept indoors in a rodent proof container uh chickens shall be kept in such a manner which does not constitute a nuisance as provided in city
code 15305 uh persons no longer intending to keep chickens on the subject property shall notify the city in riding and remove the enclosed Coupe and run no later than 10 days from no longer having chickens nope that's somebody over here
hey uh if we're using an accessory building just remove the Run keep the C what if your chickens die in April you don't get them again until you'd still have your permit you still have your per you still have your permit you'd have the coup you just wouldn't
have the run out there which for keeping your yard cut it'd be easier not to have that run out there for a year but if they lose the chickens that's not under the premise that they're uh no longer intending to keep chickens they're intending to have chickens but they harsh went or something I don't know
right um G the enclosed C shall be removed from the property upon permit expiration and permit replication at the property owner's expense no later than 10 10 days from no longer having chickens sounds good to me yeah once we
started off uh with this process um it was there was made a comment if we write something that's going to work I just want to make sure that are we in the right direction bu
a solid preliminary chicken graft is there any questions or comments or changes that we should throw into this uh before to continue this process moving forward well it's new to me yeah yeah I there's going to be a learning curve on
it you know there's going to be issues that are going to come up I uh everybody knows my opinion on all this sure seems a lot of extra work for a lot of people but I'm not making that
decision I think the next steps would be to update it based off of the discussion today and bring it back for a review and then okay public hearing for public hearing April M
okay sounds good everybody are you all right with that y I'm good with it we're good okay do we need to go through what Jason wrote up for us here did we touch on all of that Chief do do you have any comments
or for the chicken C oh yeah number eight I saw that or anything like that these things aren't something that's be in two weeks a maybe two
months you go through the process that it could be months goes so is that property owner right I would say if if they know it's going to take that long they may decide
to hire an attorney and just do it that way yeah most people aren't going to do that they call the police expect you I understand that I mean after they find out it's going to take this long I guess with the permit they're signing the permit they're agreeing to
all the stipulations I know I know what else can you do you can put all this down but the court say they can't go in there and enforce it what else can you do I
know it's just something that I thought and you know that's going to happen oh yeah like I said somebody might just get ticked off up and go see Anne chances quicker turn's going to tell him go talk to your city
that's here yeah okay anything else you guys want to talk about here or okay they all right guys we're good okay all right thank you Mr chair
um next up on the list here is uh discuss preliminary ordinance 2025 331 regulate cannabis businesses uh the the lawn sales city council approved ordinance 2024 327
ordinance regulating Cano products at the April 25th uh 2024 meeting the intention of the ordinance 2024 327 and city of longale Campo application is regulate the future sales of Cano products which only include low dosage
infused bever Ed gummies electronic uh delivery devices Vapes with the city of lawn sale ordinance 2024 3 to7 outlines the license requirements application fees denial um application criteria def can
products can be sold within the city and incorporates compliance checks performed by the city officials uh it is anticipated that in the first uh half of 2025 the state will begin issuing multiple types cannabis business
licenses um at the January 2725 Planning and Zoning commission meeting the commission uh started the review and discussion uh at the last meeting so um based upon the uh February 6 work
session uh city council work session staff received direction to move forward and continuing um the uh development of the preliminary uh uh cannabis or or ordinance to regulate cannabis businesses I not sure if anybody's
watched the news lately but uh license or applications open back up again on February 18th so the whole cannabis industry is moving along now and um um there's a few
things that we need to Zone in on as far as coming up with the preliminary or with the with the city lawn sale ordinance here um there's still some major topics that we need to to clarify or get or hit
on um as far as uh zoning requirements so basically this format right here uh is a template that's available at the office of cannabis management uh many or I think majority of the cities are using
this template and filling in the blanks here so there's a few things that we we do need to touch on tonight uh zoning requirements uh Li Liber limit the number of retail registrations uh buffer requirements
hours operation and days of the week sales can occur uh restrictions of cannabis events to be held at specific place and can cannabis event required um restrict the times of cannabis events can be held and
prohibit onsite consumption or limit to something similar to a Bure so as far as I want to make sure that the commission have time have the time to take a look at the preliminary ordinance here I did everybody get a chance to look at it
does everybody understand it no nopon I've been trying to read as much as I can about it and it's completely new to me yeah this is so moving forward just so definitions it's our standard practice to have definitions up front uh
beginning this defines uh what was listed from the ocm the only thing different here is that I added the the city of law the city meaning city of lawn stale um
the section one Administration uh boiler point or boiler uh plate inserts um as far as all this language is taken from the ocm uh Authority and jurisdiction the city has the authority to adopt the
ordinance based upon Minnesota statutes uh 1.3 severability uh stand that's a language provided to from the ocm and enforcement drop in here City
administrator and her dese is responsible for the administration and enforcement of this ordinance any violation of provisions of this ordinance or failure to comply with any of the requirements constitute of misdemeanor and punishable is defined by
law um two section two consent to registering canas business uh this is boiler plate insert the first second and third paragraphs
there um 2.2 compliance checks prior to retail registration um the city shall conduct preliminary compliance check to ensure compliance with local ordinances uh then persuade to Minesota statute 342 um registration application Pro
procedure 2.3 registration fee as established in the city's fee schedule shall be charged to applicants depending on the type of retail business license applied for in initial retail registration fee should be $500 or half the amount of the initial state license
Fe under the statute so basically the the administrator ericon and I are saying recommending just a Max based on what what the state is putting in place as far as fees
go uh the initial registration fee shall include the initial retail registration fee and the first annual renewal fee um any renewal retail registration fee imposed by the city shall be charged at the same time and second renewal
fuel renewal and each subsequent renewal thereafter uh renewal retail registration fee 000 or half the amount of renewal state license fee under the statute uh medical combination business operating adult use retail location may
only be charged a single registration fee and not to exceed the lesser of the single retail registration fee defined under this section of the adult East retail business um compliance checks prior to retail registration prior to issuance of the Cannabis retail business
registration the shitty sh sorry I'm getting a little T heavy here scratch that uh the city shall conduct a preliminary compliance check to ensure compliance with local
ordinances uh registration and application procedure uh registration fee established in the city shall be charged apps depending on the Ty an initial retail registration shall be $500 half the
amount any renewal registration fee by City shall be charged the time of the second renewal yeah I have a repeat that's the same as 2.3 right y I have a repeat uh it was not e very simple cut and past in the templ
all right uh two point or the application submitted the city of lawn sale shall issue a retail registration to a state licensed cannabis retail business that aderes to the requirements of this the state statute and applicant for retail registration shall fill out
an application form as provided by the city of lawdale so this is very similar to what we're doing with our cannabis low dosage canab canab cannabis it's easy easy for you to say products
application uh this is what we use already for tobacco alcohol and low dosage cannabis full name of the property owner an applicant address email address uh the address and partial ID for the property retail registration
s certification that the applicant complies with the requirements of local ordinances establishment established by uh Minnesota State Statute 34213 the applicant shall be uh with
with the form so here's my first highlight okay um first highlight is what do we want to see additional in this form I know that at the council level we talked about security uh what security measures are
set in place so that's something that um perhaps form that can be addressed ahead of time saying required security measures at the state level it already says that if your security system is not not working for more than 72 hours you
must cease operations until your security system is deemed working again meaning at the state level they're taking care of us right there thank you you're welcome if you want fall asleep at night
to start reading the rules um is there anything else that we'd like to see as far as application process so the application so will be notified by the state of Minnesota uh that there's a license in
the area then the registrant would fill out our application uh the application would be submitted to the city administrator Des for for review uh our team would do the compliance
checks and then it be move to uh the city council for approval or denial so this is all similar measures that we have in place with alcohol license tobacco license and so forth uh we do have
non-refundable the application fee uh application approval uh State this is nothing that I've added this is a boiler plate provided by the state um I know we touched on annual compliance checks City shall complete a
minimum one compliance check per calendar year Canabis canis business to access the business meets age verification um under this state statute
um the city shall announce one an announced age verification compliance check unless one at least one per year and age verification compliance check uh this is a similar this is what we use in our city code for compliance checks the
minimum uh engaging minors over the age of 15 years but less than 18 years uh this is what we have in place already I think the state wants 17 and above because it's years old now not 18 thank you you're
welcome uh location change estate licensed cannabis retail business shall be required to submit a new application for registrations under the section under Section 2.3.2 seeks to move to a new location still within the legal boundaries of the
or state liced cannabis retail business move to a new location still within the legal boundaries of the city it shall notify the city of proposed location change we get into renewal the of renewal process uh the renewal fee the city May
charge a renewal fee for registration starting in a second renewal as established in the city Fe schedule uh continuing on with application for Renewal retail registration shall include but not limited to uh when suspension is warranted the
city May suspend a canvas retail business registration if it violates the ordinance of the city or poses immediate threat to the the health or safety of the public city law Sal show the city shall immediately notify
the Cannabis retail business in writing the grounds for the uh the city shall immediately notify the ocm and writing the grounds for the suspension that would fall on the city to do so and cannabis business retailer
response to the uh complaint within seven calendar days and perform any necessary inspections within 30 days um length of the suspension that's based upon the ocm the city shall reinstate uh registration if the ocm determines that the
violations have been resolved so basically if the ocm gives a thumbs up then it move to the city level to reissue uh civil penalties based on statute
34222 and specified in the LA the city's Fe schedule all right finally have some yellow highlights here uh limiting registrations uh so we have a few
options here um do we want first of all do we want to limit registrations uh that that that come to the city so I I guess that that this make this easy and this is our kickoff question here do we want to limit it to one until
the city grows Beyond 12,500 people or do we want to have the ability in this ordinance to issue I guess as many as possible I know that the council has uh talked about um
the industrial park um you know if there's an interested company or a vendor that wants to move in are we going to limit that so I guess start with a question are we going to
um applications in the city other than the taxes they get off this what's the real benefit to the city I'm in the dark on this 1% of the sales tax which is 10% of the
total dollar amount so we get a penny on every dollar spent back into the city we also get property taxes it's going to create a couple jobs it's going to bring people into town who might just go down to the grocery
store one of our local convenience stores to get munchies that part A be the only thing you're going to bring in is people that want to buy this stuff and I don't think they're going to stop in town to buy anything I'm biased just because of my
background uh but I mean like I said you watching uh friends that I have on the police force in Spokan Washington and in Seattle uh there's there's spikes that happen when the when the stores went in for for them for both The Growers and for the selling of the
products that's not to say it happens here it's a small town right I'm just speaking of the statistics of it were telling me it will be some you were telling me last meeting about that yeah you're get out of to come in and buy it and we're not only
talking retail we're talking the possibility of pharmacetical coming in and having a laboratory in the industrial park they wouldn't even be selling to the general public they'd just be manufacturing it here they manufacturers we don't want to limit it
in case they do want to come say too bad we got a retail spot we but if they want to come in then you can revisit it and see if it's going to be good for the you can't look at just the dollar sign look at what's good for your city you're bringing drugs into the city that's what
this is that's right you're just legalizing the drug the federal government has it they legalized it but certain States their governor said yeah let's do it for the money but well look at Oregon and Portland I mean they're horrible States right now yeah you know Colorado's other
I I just can't in my own mind I mean like I said I don't know too much about this I just can't see where it's a big benefit for the city of lawdale I I get the dollar signs and everything too and and the jobs uh but uh you got to think of but if you start
kids if you start driving people out of the city though that just that they move out because we have one and because crime does SP if if okay again hypothetical if that if that does Spike then you are going to drive I mean you you got a lot of families here starts driving them out that's right with young
kids going to say I don't know interest rates at 2% pretty hard to move yeah now for registration you have to have it for uh retail and if somebody wants to you said open up a manufacture it or have a big
Greenhouse or whatever so you still have to have a registration if you're just going to grow it and wholesale it to somebody else or to a retail store you still have to have that okay well what do you guys think he's looking for a number oh God
yep well how many how many do they allow for licenses for the county of Rice County isn't there a limit for that or no thought we it's mandatory that you have one for every 12,500 people yeah that's the minimum so the county has to
issue we'll say five so then if we have to then what what do you think please it's going to be your workload that you know it's going to bring problems yeah I mean you're dealing with
this as a problem without addition to DUIs and DWI because that doesn't go away too now you're doubling the amount of product that's going to be able to you know have you under the influence of something I agree I know we had at the bus
Gage a guy was taking the Edibles and uh he got called in for a random drug test and boom it hit and he says well it's just for this and I don't care get on driving one guy
had had they said he was taking Co forgot what type of drug he was taking and he and then the doctor asked him he said did you eat what did you eat the last six days and he said well I had six poppy seed kachis and he says that's it so he had
to go through a whole bunch of paperwork and everything to get cleared from that in order to drive School so if the city wasn't on the off sale would we allow two liquor stores here
probably yeah probably or three or four but I well yeah I suppose I would recommend limited any I'm getting the sense of the conversation the council to keep it open also
well I myself I don't want to see it coming to town but I guess if you guys you're not stop I suppose not I don't think it's worth it to myself but I never experimented with it so I lean towards limiting it to the 12,000
residents per but again again I'm biased on it so yeah you experienced it I mean Jamie's right this is I mean it's that's higher end stuff yeah my brother's in HVAC and he's worked at the gro facility in Cottage Grove and it's
you're putting a white suit on there's no contaminants coming in I me this isn't just the guy down the street with a couple of pot plants in his basement saying H come check this out man you know I mean this is like the real deal yeah I guess in that note it at least the city has a little control over
several million dollars construction cost I would assume yeah yeah this just isn't throw some chicken manure down and grow some pot in the backyard that's a fair point yeah that way the city does have control different than the retail
but Y what do you guys think let's face it town now yeah yeah I mean they still have to apply for a permit through the city anyhow and the St so then you can regulate it through the state then the city the city you can
regulate it that way so well throw a number out there guys or not limit or not limit No Limit State's going to limit it anyways they're not just going to handle 100 plate people to grow it and
manufacture it in mon steale they're going to do the limiting that's fair too No Limit what do you think Jim I wouldn't go more than one for 12,000 that's my feeling too I think we're split on it then are
you guys three leaning I'm actually agreeing with Jim on this but again like I said very baser I do too I like the the limit of one per yeah 12,000 the counil is going to do what they want to do right we can just make
recommendations I guess we're saying one so that'd be one two three four five we're saying one all right all right uh requirements
um for cannabis businesses um the city not require minimum requirements prohibit the operation of cannabis business uh sh this is where we get to the buffering
zones and at the staff level um we're not recommending any buffer zones especially if the Cannabis cannabis business comes in first and theyare follow a suit
afterwards so and also we're not in a very large city 500 to a th000 feet goes a long ways in town so um we were not restricting uh
any buffer buffers uh School daycare uh Residential Treatment Facility uh including uh regular use or um playground or athletic fields
as you know you cannot use the product in park system or in public places um prohibit the operation cannabis retail business within another so many feet of another cannabis retail
business I got one two three four five five buffer locations that not recomending any off opinions I imagine if we don't uh put a buffer on our on our off sale
establishments you know it's same thing as this I would guess Jim well is this retail or is this manufacturing as well I conclude I guess manufacturing
operation of can so I'm only asking because what if something happened you know and it's close to you know one of our treatment facilities um it could possibly then impact you know depending on what it is
it could impact that facility so you know whether it's water treatment or something else would be my only concern if we didn't put any regulations on it not saying that one would land where
any of our treatment facilities are but it could I think the intention of that is um person's recovering or you know not so much water sewer treatment plan but
like person treatment medal treatment gotcha no it's for substance I I guess my thought is for substance abuse it's the substance abuse treatment they're referring to and then your schools your dayc carees your
churches yeah I guess my thoughts are it should be you know if if if a cannabis business can't locate within whatever 100 feet or thousand feet of of a business then that business then shouldn't be able to locate within that same amount of distance right it's not
it should be it should be on both sides of the equation not just right y who's here first type of thing if if it if they if if they're really beneficial impactful make a difference then then it shouldn't shouldn't matter
who's there first yeah when you think about it that way what goods the buffer what what do you accomplish scratch the puffer yep scratch I will to I
agree all right Jim yep okay right as he can be no buffers okay all right um moving along here zuse um there's like we're talking about
several different uh types U licensing cultivation Manufacturing um wholesale cannabis retail cannabis Transportation cannabis delivery and and so forth
so highlighted this for example cannabis manufacturing facilities are often placed in industrial zones while cannabis retailers are typically found in commercial retail zones cannabis retail facilities align with General retail establishments and are prohibited
from allowing consumption or use on site and also required to have plans prevent visibility of cannabis and hemp derive products to individuals outside the retail location uh cannabis business should be zoned under existing zoning ordinances in accordance with license
types Endor activities held by cannabis lies so uh the example from El New Market they have a wonderful spreadsheet set up or set up in their preliminary meaning uh what zones are
permitted use what zones are conditional use and so forth but also another attachment in here is um potential business owner um I'm
hoping that everybody saw this in the package is someone who wishes to remain anonymous submitted a laale moment local sustainable and fully inter interrogated cannabis business and local Collective and mic business
applicant so there is ative person interested in the laale area but as you read that proposal um it's more than just retail it's basically in my mind it's
like going to a brewery or a a craft beer brewery it's made on site it can be used on you can purchase it and leave with it um as far as wholesale
delivery moving it so like I said I just want to bring note of the the proposal or the attachment that was submitted in here um so cultivation
um working uh through this uh based upon the information zoning uh industrial zoning and conditional use permit annabis manufacturing industrial industrial zoning and conditional use
permit in hemp manufacturing indust zoning and conditional use permit full cell um up in the air with that one that's is that involve retail does that involve
commercial um and like I the example in there who to say if someone creates a cultivation area I'm look I'm viewing it like a winery someone greates cultivation area I know the term the Big
Lots on the top top of the hill um that are available uh in our industrial area so do we make it a One-Stop shop we can do the whole experience or is it by conditional use or is it per
only so there there's just a lot that there's a lot of thought that goes behind as far as what zoning direction we should go on this letter it says that the onsite consumption loan
approval is that something that's an option I did I thought it was just strictly like an off sale you buy it and you take it home but here they're saying you can have a loue or and like a crab Brewery that one I can't remember
because it says you can't give out samples in the dispensaries at all they have like no samples at all so I can't remember if you can or not I know if it's the infused drinks you're allowed to I don't know about any of the higher stuff
and remember the City attorney will be reviewing this document also yeah and giving us that additional clarification like I said it's just a it's a proposal that was submitted and it was Rec and the the person that submitted it
wanted planning and zoning and mayor to make sure that they were able to uh to view the proposal I think bigger picture do you want to entertain that well play the liquor store yeah and we've got tastings and then the big events
in November and December I don't know do we have a choice oh sure yeah we don't we don't want to we don't have to mhm I was trying to make MH comparison so this would have to be just like your
your drinks your Edibles you can't and there is hours of operation for that too and where is this where were they looking at as far as Parcels go where AES was supposed to
go no I Mr chair I want to clarify this is just a proposal as far as specific in details and locations uh not at this time okay a small time I think we should just
start out small and just have one place to sell it we don't need what this guy's proposing but this would be the one place right if we gave the it
be one place that you that would be the one I'm just looking at what it's going to bring to the city of a lot of Outsiders that are going to come and smoke it then they're going to
be laying all over the place Joe gets to clean it up in the morning you get a lot of college kids go some and don't smell pot these days everywhere you go you smell smell it on the freeway everywhere doesn't you
know Target the casino I mean all over the place what do you want to see we got to give him an answer here guys Jim gave his can we table it address it later we'll just deal with it next month I
like to be decisive I'll sign the Jim on this so will I all right then I'll agree with you guys Jeremy same thing yeah I'm same as far as a bigger vision for the council
though that one is kind of pushing it a little bit um but granted yeah four out of the five people in their group are going to partake they're probably goingon to have a silver cab you can't go and punish because they won't have a silver cab
they most likely will how many people go to the bar on Friday nights that place is packed yeah but you don't see a lot of drunks coming out of there no not anymore and not like it was when I first moved here I mean most of the people that live
in town including myself if the wife and I go there and have more than two drinks yeah police Chiefs go to see my car sitting there overnight and I'll walk home along with a lot of other people that don't mean that we won't have that
up at that business they build it no the Stoners don't think that way particularly yeah because if you get you're going to get a a lot of clientele is going to be out of Northfield and they're going to drive yep they ain't walking to Northfield and they don't care what happens here they don't live
here I mean has there been any other proposals for any bigger cities they doing something like that I've never heard of that a lounge that's that's all new to me until I read it here I thought it was strictly an off sale thing you take it home so I guess we're seeing this is no
right okay and I just want to clarify so Jim you were saying you you just keep it small well like we said one one's business for 12,500 want to start with and see where
it goes from there basically there no sense jumping in with and keep the licenses basically separated I guess that's where as far as having a I guess um a like a brewery
right yep y I think we all said yes on that separ not right right the just want to clarify yeah all right so as far as um the
zoning so cultivation industrial zoning all right industrial that's up on the hill um in the business partk cannabis manufacturing that's what Joel said uh controlled it could be up indoor outdoor most likely it's going to be indoor um
manufacturing uh does that also include Edibles is that the packaging of the flower up on the Hill Manufacturing industrial and I'm sorry not up on the hill in indust industrial
park um cannabis retail uh available in all retail zoning districts uh downtown uh out in the Math's area as far as keeping it all or zoning
it r well I think should be treated at least like liquor but treat them like Li any reason not to meaning keeping it out in the ma area or Notting it downtown well treat it
like yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at but um I guess if you had a liquor store that somebody comes in we have it with rail 19 they're over here treat it like liquor where they can't uh I don't know what I'm trying to
say like the liquor stores Yeah well yeah you know while your liquor stores is what they I know what they're get Yeah so basically Main Street down by Max in the new develop business yeah or
do we have it zoned for in the future though the next retail area because they could come in and start that development all on their own by mag it's not it's own for a liquor store isn't it
next to we had that way back when they changed it from residential to to uh have it grocery the store they said for for uh light traffic things but then they got changed for the
for the uh Car Wash but it's supposed to be just for like grocery stores a restaurant things that Clos by 10 o00 doctor's office beauty shop stuff like that no liqu that last lot by W has no option
for that not unless you change it or if they'd want to buy all at our liquor store what about that one that's the city they're making good money off the liquor store well we build a new one in that case You' be bringing in your own
competition yeah then sales and can a City sell this legal are sell marijuana or whatever yes doesn't want to though you have a
lot of regulations when you that stuff mhm I mean that's one way you can regulate the whole thing make it a city function the city can control it you know I don't know I don't know all right yeah move on okay
cannabis Transportation uh permitted use cannabis delivery permitted use um we talked about hours operation uh meeting with the city administrator
keeping it um exact or keeping it to the lior store hours operation Monday through Saturday 800 am. to 10 P p.m. Sunday 11:00 amm to 5:00 p.m. or whatever is allowed by Statute
we don't I think we open an hour hour later and close an hour State statues 8 to 2: a.m. we want to run it until 2 leave it up to the owner of the business considering there's only going to be one they might not want to stay open
past four o' even it's their decision I don't know if it's their decision I I regulate it 1:00 same as the liquor stores then going into the infused drinks because then we're going to have
to regulate the bar at making sure they shut off at 1 p.m. with the infused drinks inside the the bars that have the license for that was the one thing that me and mayor Berg thought of is like if you do
it on the Edibles are you going to do it for the infused drinks and then if you go for the infused drinks then you got to make sure that real 19 stop selling them at 10 a at 10 p.m. yeah I would treat it as FL the
low I agree on that yeah me too sorry so just clarification there 8 to 10 p.m then is that where we're steering that's what I understand yeah keep it as written all right um advertising
cannabis businesses are permitted to erect up to two fixed signs on the exterior of the building or property of the business unless otherwise limited by the city city city the sign city code uh license
required the city shall require a cannabis event permit for the license holder to organize a temporary cannabis EV lasting no more than four days once an application is considered complete the city administrator and or Desy shall inform the applicant as such process the
application fees and forward it to the city council for um for approval um registration application procedure which involves the city fee
structure um we on page 11 Now application submitted in review uh the applicant um for retail registration shall pill out the applicant form as provided by the
city additional information required then moving forward down to the bottom in yellow a jurisdiction May establish standards for temporary cannabis events which the event organizer must meet including restricting or prohibiting any onsite
consumption if there are public health saf concerns associated with proposed can cannabis event jurisdiction would presumably be authorized to deny or approve that event so as far as the standards go here is there a limitation or uh is there I
guess a um as far as cannabis events go is there a Rec recommendation as far as location goes indoor outdoor um
time four days up to four days it's a hell of a drum circle yeah guess it depend on the event right yeah smoke on site so I'm assuming that's a nonstarter for for any events Ian otherwise I don't
know you would have I keep it indoors and keep it indoors so cut the four days to what two one one day event get in and get out yeah and indoors only
what do you guys think sounds good it' have to be depending on the event what if they're just talking about it and no partaking well they can come and ask come to the
city right yep I agree sure so okay all right um and as far as shall only be held at we sort of we talked about
indoors I'm just thinking that okay uh the banquet room at the American Legion can you have it there uh at the church Civic Center Gym can you have it there I don't think they'll let you I don't there but I'm just throwing it off there
yeah yeah can't have alcohol there so we couldn't have you mentioned the legion that's got to be up to the legion if they' allow yeah it should be up to the legion it should be up to the church because we're limiting what they're renting it for they want to allow it I'm
sure if you tell them and ask to do with marijuana and that stuff they're gonna say no so no limit can it so not limit anything outside of our existing ordinance no
public places no Parks no yeah that's what I say y all right all right uh we made it to the end here thank God tells me we ain't done with it so what's going to happen is Bring It Back
make the revisions and bring it back to the next city council meeting hopefully we're very close to packaging this um and bringing it forward to a public hearing I'm sure we'll get some input and comments uh at the public hearing to help
continue the development of of uh this ordinance and uh Planning Commission I am done talking for a little bit than goodness Mr ericon Sir all right the last thing on the agenda is um consider sale of 115
Alabama Street Southwest that's our old uh PD facility uh for compliance with the city's comprehensive plan uh since we have comprehensive plan um State Statute 462 356 um states that it has to uh any
purchase or disposal of property has to go before the Planning Commission for compliance with the the comprehensive plan if no decision is made within 45 days I believe it is it's being got that right approved so back in 2020 we purchased the 10 acres at the
intersection of 15th Avenue and Commerce Drive uh to build the the the current the new PD um the reason for that was when we did our comp plan in 20 2015 2016 uh we evaluated all of our
facilities and it was determined that um the the old PD um didn't meet the our needs anymore was too small needed uh space for uh evidence break room larger garage indoor pound things like that and
and like I said deemed to be in in poor condition uh like I said the Planning Commission has 45 days to review the report on the proposed sale uh the planning commission's recommendation will be going to the the city council for approval well I had to have this done in
March but um it's on the council agenda for Thursday by approving the proposed resolution the Planning Commission is determining that the sale of 115 Alabama Street Southwest us is consistent with with the comprehensive plan and and can
proceed uh the fiscal impact would be no more costs to the city associated with owning the property you know we don't we don't pay taxes on it but we've got insurance utilities um just to keep it from going into disrepair freezing the Alternatives
would be to not approve the proposed resolution and then included with the staff report is the proposed resolution uh ch 8 Pages three and four of our comp plan and then also some information from the league on the purchase and sale property along with the state statute
that references us having to go to the Planning Commission for purchase and disposal of property you guys have any questions I would be happy to answer them you guys all know which building he's talking about
correct yeah I think so too anybody have a reason why we wouldn't want them to sell it no no reason no reason we're all in favor of selling it anybody want to make a motion I make a motion we sell it second
we have a second second Jeremy all in favor I all opposed none motion carries all right take care of that thank you Joel
other business you guys want to go over those chicken ordinances one more time there is no other business Mr jman wej we have a motion to adjourn do we have a second second second by Jeremy
motion was by Jim all in favor I I all opposed motion carries I should have asked we have people sitting in the audience here did you have anything to add okay