--------- If not, can we put it on there? I still have >> That's approved. We I guess we can, but you guys approved it. So, >> yeah, but I'm not I'm not wanting to change that. I'm just wanting to discuss that what I what I think would need to go into the hotel or is that too early
to even talk about that? >> Too early. >> Way too early. >> Yeah, probably to the results of >> the market. Yeah, the fe feasibility study. Okay. I just don't see a hotel in and of itself making it without an event center and a
>> bar. Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. We'll call to order this meeting or call to order the meeting of the Economic Development Authority special meeting February 23rd, 2026. If we could all rise for the pledge of allegiance.
Pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Thank you everyone. So, we do
have a quorum. Uh let's see. We've got no minutes to consider, no treasures report on this one. Uh the only thing before us today is old business consider approval of resolution 202601, a resolution approving a re revolving loan
fund application submitted by VNS Holdings LLC. So I will go ahead and open up the floor for discussion. Uh Joel, I don't know if you have anything more to add. >> Um no, I mean we talked about it at our last meeting Thursday morning. uh
Jeremiah Van Winkl and Owen Schultz um owners of DNS Holdings are in the process of buying uh 101 Main Street South to open up a bar, the Tipsy Bullfrog, and they are requesting a U EDA loan to um help uh pay for the uh
remodel, the improvements to the interior of the building. Um been working with them over the last couple weeks to get their information. Um, like I said, it was discussed at the last EDA meeting. Uh, Owen Schultz was there, uh, or was present, answered any
questions that you guys had. Um, yeah, and that's and that that's basically it. Um, as far as the policy, rehab of buildings as a allowable expense, interest rate not greater than 2% uh, term no more than 10 years. I believe
they requested uh, eight uh, loan amount and they requested 50,000. I think the board should discuss that based off of available funds and um other potential interest in loans security. We place a lean against the property. Um they've paid the application fee. So at this
time uh the board should discuss the the loan request. All right. >> Any discussion? Go ahead and open it up. So, I think it's I mean I think it's what we you know one
of the things we do. Um I I think that there's good reason. I think there's a lot of positives. It' be filling a vacant well basically vacant building on Main Street putting in a you know a business hopefully a viable
business. So I think the merit is there. Um, but I I do I am kind of concerned about depleting all our funds and going with the whole 46,000. Um, Joel, you mentioned that the
interest is not to exceed 2%. Does that mean we can go lower than 2%. >> Or was 2%? >> Uh, you can. Yes. Um, interest rate should be no greater than 2%. So, if we didn't do the whole 46,000, if we did like 35 to 40,000 and did 1 and a.5%
interest, that would I mean, just an idea rather than, you know, that saves them a little bit of money. I mean, it's it's not a, you know, five or $10,000 difference, but
>> that's certainly an option. Yeah. >> Do you want to go the whole 3540? Would you want to go less? >> You know, if we're going to maybe there's another, you know, there might be other businesses that would approach us for money, but at that point, if that
happens, I would say, well, then we approach the city council and see if somewhere there's some money available for us to replenish that revolving loan fund. I would say 40 um since he asked for 50,
but I I don't know if I feel comfortable even like 45 that would only leave us a thousand. But that's just my opinion, you know. It's >> Well, I mean I I agree with you to the point, you know, we don't know if the other applicant is actually going to come forward. >> Well, there could be any. >> Yeah, I know. But I mean, they're not
like this isn't something they're beating down the doors either. Um it seems to be it's just kind of weird that we have two applications at one time. >> That's how it goes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Another question too. After he owns that building, then would he be eligible to
or qualify for a facade grant? >> Uh yeah, technically yes. Um I did um bring that up to them and they said that they weren't really doing too much on the the outside. That's correct. So >> Okay. But it's a possibility. Okay.
Um, you know, the I guess coming from a council standpoint and Brian, you may or may not agree with me, but I, you know, that whole premise of, you know, if somebody does come forward and uh wants to move a loan, I think the council with our current uh appetite for trying to
grow business in the community, we would be willing to, you know, uh allocate some money from reserves or from the general fund, you know, to bridge it instead of waiting for the budget to process. uh you know for next year. Um I can't you know speak for everybody but I think
that would be you know it's it's a unique situation. It's not a budgetary thing but but and it's something that you know you're going to get back. Um >> you know it's not an expenditure. It's it's >> cost. >> Yeah. It it that's what it is. So, um,
so, you know, as to your, you know, point, Bonnie, you know, 3540 grand probably I'd be comfortable with. >> Pet Stop, I assume they pay the 2% interest, correct? >> I believe so. I mean, I guess I don't
know if it'd be fair to >> and they they requested the full amount when they did that one. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, then also then, um, Joe, you had five minute previous question. So, he did apply to the county then for >> uh that's loan part.
>> Yes. >> Okay. But you don't know if it's a matching amount. >> Yeah. I'm not sure when it comes to to their um to their loan amount. I know when it's tax abatement, they want the city to have pretty much the same amount
of obligation. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think, you know, maybe we should probably have a discussion maybe on a regular meeting about funding the process. >> Yeah. The process for, you know,
annually, do we want to request an amount to put into that? You know, I mean, even if it's 5 10,000 a year >> and build up, you know, because pet stop, what's it been, five, six years that they've been going on? >> A lot longer than they close. This is
the the first one that's been >> a real contender for this loan since that. So >> even if we put 5,000 a year in, that's going to fill up, you know, based on our frequency. >> It wasn't um taste of lonel that was after that too.
>> Yeah, that would have probably been about >> that probably after that. >> Yeah. So >> six years ago though. >> Yeah. I'm just I'm just saying though, you know, that the fre frequency of of that. So >> five years, six years. Yeah. Um >> well it was originally we didn't even
have a separate separate fund for the revolving. It was all together. Yeah. >> Right. So >> but it was hard for staff. That's the reason we separated it because staff didn't really even have a number to tell people. >> And so >> I guess thinking about it now because when we're advertising it that you you
know we can apply you know >> apply for up to $50,000 >> but then we say well we don't have that much. >> Right. that kind of you know I I wonder if we need to develop a policy moving forward that that if
>> it's it's approved it what the what the process is >> for you know if we ended up with three of them requesting 50 grand >> what do you do what do we do >> what do you do >> because I mean we we can speculate how how it would go but we don't know for sure >> right
>> yeah maybe we should look at that on a future agenda is just let's let's revisit the the entire policy funding. >> Would that be good for our joint uh EDA and city council meeting? >> Yeah, probably wouldn't be a bad discussion point. >> Pretty good idea. >> Then we'll get a feel for the appetite
of >> budgetary funding, you know, regular input into the loan fund. >> Um, one question I have here, uh, we we note that the EDA fund has a balance of 84180
as of January 31st. Is that the the the budgeted amount? So that's our our operating budget and reserves or is that above the operating budget? >> Um I believe the operating budget is tied to the about
I don't have it in front of me but yeah um no the um the budget is is fairly consistent with the amount of funding requested from from the property tax levy. So I think our annual budget's about $50,000. >> Right. So that 84180
that's listed here in the report >> that would be in excess of expenditures for >> this year >> for 26. Correct. >> So that's just >> but doesn't account for any revenue either. >> Right. So that's money that isn't allocated earmarked to be spent. That's
just that's basically our reserve fund. >> Correct. >> Okay. So we have 84,000 extra above our operating above the facade grant money and above the 46,000.
So that's good to know. Um with having another another organization applicant, >> um boy, I wish we would have asked the question when he was here of how much he applied for from the county.
>> Yeah. you know, that would be nice to know. Um, I would assume it's up to whatever their max is. I believe their loan request is 75. >> Okay. >> Then you'll probably get the 75 from the
county. >> That's hard to >> Oh, yeah. We don't we don't we don't know what what their position is either. Do they have the 75 available? Do they have 300 grand available? >> Yeah. >> Just trying to look it up real quick
here. I guess if I was a in that position where I was applying for it, when I and I know you explained it to him, but you know, if I'm reading it, it says, you know, available up to $50,000, that makes that makes it appear that I'm eligible for that. It's I mean, that's
the whole reason we decided to earmark and have a a set dollar amount. >> Correct. But but we really don't because we're if we're waiting for the revenue to come in from pet stop and that's >> But didn't we have 50? Didn't we take
4,000 out of it to transfer to our marketing or something last year? The marketing >> um we just took whatever the we transferred whatever the balance was from um what was remaining on the the pet stop. >> Okay. >> The difference between that and 50 grand. Okay.
>> So that's why it's under 50 right now. Yeah, the county is up the max is 75,000, but they their terms are dependent on what you're using it for. So, land purchase and/or construction or renovation, they can go
up to 15 years, it looks like, but it is 75,000. It's their max. Doesn't say anything about matching. So >> it's completely independent >> which makes sense. >> Yeah, I understand that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> different entity.
>> Yeah. >> You know, I agree. I don't think we should deplete our whole fund. Um >> are we all in agreement though that I we think it's a worthy >> Oh, absolutely. I think >> mayor. Yeah. Okay. >> The fact that they're >> not just the amount
>> they're approved already for the full amount without us. So, this is this is a um an assistance >> to to help lower their their overall cost because of the lower interest rate. >> Um you know, we've got established business owners already, so it's not
like this is their first rodeo. Um you know, they the loan from the bank has already done. I mean, they've said this is happening with or without you guys. Mhm. Mhm. >> So that that to me tells me that this is a a a project that's worth investing in, >> right?
>> You know, there's collateral here. It's not like some situations where there's been no collateral. Unfortunately, we couldn't help out. Um you know, we're going to be protected. I think it's a good investment for the the taxpayers. And we had a really good conversation at the last meeting about how excited we all are about Main Street being fullled
up, >> right, >> quickly. This is just one more step to >> Yeah. No, no more empty buildings on Main Street. >> I mean, Scott and I were, excuse me, able to attend. I don't know if anybody else made it out Saturday to Shields
Lake, but >> man, I've never seen that many people at a ribbon cut. >> Yeah, it was lin lined up almost all the way down to the stoplight >> for most of the morning. Yeah. >> Yeah, it was it was great. Um, in the cold, they sold out. They were going to be open yesterday and they sold out
before they were going to be open till 6 and I think four o'clock they shut down because they sold out. >> Oh my. >> So, you know, Main Street is coming back to life so it's good and this is just another thing that'll help. Um I guess one question does uh is planning
and zoning aware of this because of uh all the discussions we've had about parking recently because this is going to cause some some parking discussions, I'm sure. >> Um, no, they haven't. And I mean, really, as far as Main Street, the only parking is,
>> right? >> Certainly for this building, Main Street. So, >> right. >> You know, you got to think back to the the South 40 and Fleek was there. So, I mean, we know that there's sufficient parking for businesses of that. >> No, the the parking problem on Main Street is business owners and employees
park on Main Street. That's the problem. >> Yeah. The other question that potentially could come up with this type of an establishment though, however, is overnight. >> We could have the potential somebody has to leave their car overnight. And so,
>> yeah, currently right now it's no parking 2 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. >> Yeah, I I over the years I had a couple of incidences where um pe people were tagged um for it. Um and they they approached me on it, you know.
>> Yeah. And I'm I kind of said, you know, if it if it was a if it was a habitual thing, that'd be one thing, but you know, if somebody made that choice, I kind of said to the officer, I mean, the letter of the law and the intent of the law is >> we have some discretion. I understand. >> Yeah, I know. But, you know, I I so I don't I don't I didn't I didn't see over
and over if the vehicle was there every day, but >> this this could be another discussion for our joint one just to kind of say, hey, you know, this is a thought. You know, the other piece of this with apartments above, a lot of those buildings have started to well, not started to, but there's a lot of those buildings that have expanded all the way
to the alley, >> which now you have no parking for tenants. >> That's right. So, um, some of those tenants, I mean, I I I know I know for a fact that it is a situation with some of the buildings
>> where maybe it would be worth asking planning and zoding to just consider have the discussion about, you know, do we issue a permit for a residential overnight from 9 to 7 a.m.? That was a suggestion I had several years ago
because there was issues where I think it was the county was doing some work on on the road and and a resident left their car there overnight. We ended up having to go tow it because the county >> needed to know get in touch with the person because with a permit we'd have a you know a phone number or something
like that to >> you know kick them out of bed or whatever it was. >> Maybe yeah maybe something for the the joint meeting. I guess I don't want to get too far a field but it's just those little things to think about. you know, I know it's not to the loan. Um, yeah, you know, I mean, on the one hand,
I feel like we've got this reserve of, you know, $84,000. On the other hand, we have to be careful. We're setting a precedent if we cap out and and deplete all of our funds, especially with another potential one on the table. Um, I mean, like I
said, I think this is a worthy business. Really, what we got to figure out is the amount. I you know um >> well I would make a motion that we agree or that we go with $40,000. That
still leaves a six which we could, you know, if we needed to put $4,000 more from our reserves into the revolving fund and have 10 if we needed to for another business. When would his uh question, when would his
first payment be coming in? >> Um, we'll have to get all the documents signed and recorded and >> closing. There you go. >> Closing >> April. >> Okay. >> 60 to 90 days. >> And we would be putting money back into
the revolving loan fund. >> Yeah. 55208 until October. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we have a motion for 40 >> at the >> Is there a second? >> At what percentage are you saying then
interest? >> I'd say leave it at two%. I mean, that's what Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to. I thought of that and then I thought, "No, don't start changing that." >> Unless you were doing a drastic decrease. >> Yeah. >> Well, I would I would second that motion then. >> Okay. Second by Evelyn. >> Then eight years as they requested.
>> Eight years. Yes. >> Any further discussion on that? No, >> I mean I I agree. I mean, I guess I'm kind of, you know, stepping back saying, you know, whatever you guys think is a fair amount. You know, knowing that we
have 84 makes it easier. Um, prior to that I would have said probably closer to 25, but um, you know, and I guess to speak to them if they watch the the playback or if they're watching the live stream on this, I mean, if we had the
full 50 and we had more, uh, available that was confirmed available, I think we'd be happy given the 50, but um, you know, do what we can. That's that's my thoughts on it. So, all right. Uh, all in favor then, or did you have something to say? Okay. >> Nope. Nope. No more questions.
>> All in favor of the 40,000 say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> All right. Motion prevails. >> So to that point, I I guess I don't I'd have to go back and look at the verbiage on it, but maybe we need to say, you know, if it's going to be up to 50,000
>> on the availability of funds. I don't do we need to have that verbiage in there or cuz like I said if I was applying for it not knowing your background. >> I'm thinking I could get you know there's there's >> you know there could be $300,000 and we're allowing up to 50 >> just from a
>> or we need to develop that policy that it's 50 and it it can it could get drawn out of another >> Yeah. I I I really believe I think I think we should have it either with the joint um council meeting or in one of our meetings, you know, I mean, because we have the authority to to do this
>> with without the council. >> Um but I think we really should have a conversation on, you know, reviewing that policy. You know, we've got 84,000 in reserves. Do we want to say if there are reserves from the EDA fund at the
end of the year, 50% of those go into the revol revolving loans? I'm just kind of thinking how do we get a continuous flow of of funding into that revol revolving loan fund, you know, and unfortunately we we re we really had a great opportunity at one point um when
Minnesota Milwork Work was looking at the the deed. I think it was deed, right? It was Yeah, they were looking at some deed project to do some expansion. And if that would have gone through, that would have given a real jolt into
our revolving loan fund because part of that program was they repaid back that loan, but it comes to us. So, we would have I think it was what around $125,000 we would have got to to boost our revolving loan fund.
>> Oh, wow. But, you know, unfortunately, I mean, and you know, I completely understand from a business perspective why it didn't happen. You know, looking at the numbers as it all came through, the expansion they wanted to do, they could do without it and without the the
hoops they'd have to jump through to get it. So, I completely understand why it didn't happen, but man, it would have been nice for the revolving loan fund had that project happen with that particular funding source. But, >> you know, we'll get there. But we should we really should have a discussion about
how do we keep continuous money coming into this fund. >> Yeah. >> You know, so we're not at the place where, oh, we want to do a facade grant, but we have no money to do it. And >> yeah, the grants are one thing, but I think the loan is something else. That's a that that's a
>> that that's going to be coming back with it's not an expenditure, >> right? >> It's going to be coming back with interest. >> Yeah. Even if it's just a small amount, it's still interest. >> Yeah. So, it's not gone forever. Just gone for a while. >> Right. Right. But, you know, and it's good that we're getting interest in
this. You know, let's hope that uh the additional business comes through, too. And, you know, we do know we have some some padding to to entertain what they come to to us for. So, >> so hopefully uh hopefully we can make
that happen, too. So, uh, beyond that, that's all the business unless anybody else has anything they want to talk about. >> Move to adjurnn. >> Move to adjurnn by second by Dubon. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Thank you folks. >> Now it's off to get the
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Call this being order at the time of 702. Uh stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We'll do roll call. >> Mike Conu >> here. Uh, Mayor Berg >> here. >> Mike Harden >> here. >> Council member Bka >> here.
>> And Tim Catch >> here. >> Uh, Jeremy Briner reached out to me earlier today and said he was not a available to attend the meeting tonight. Okay. >> All right. Uh, move on to approval of agenda. Um, has everybody got a chance to read
tonight's agenda? Yes. >> Okay. Um, we'll need a motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Uh, motion by Mike, second by Tim. >> All right. I don't get one in this one.
>> You guys are just too quick for me. >> Well, I I can't second now. >> All right. Moving on to uh approval of minutes. Um, everybody read the minutes. Any changes? Anything? All right. Uh motion to approve minutes. >> I'll make a motion.
>> Motion by Tim. >> Second. >> Second by Mike. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed? Motion passes. I guess I forgot that on the agenda.
Uh public hearings. Um, does anybody have anything they want to change on public hearings or we just move on to approval? >> Got to have open the public hearing. >> Open the public hearing, I guess. >> Oh, no. Mo motion to close. >> Motion to open. >> Hold on. Hold on.
>> Go ahead and read it. >> Public hearing for ordinance 2026-340, an ordinance amending city code 153.040 zoning districts. Oh, open the meeting. >> Excellent work, Mr. Chair. Uh, at the
January 2020 or at the January 26, 2026 meeting, the commission finished the review and discussion of the permitted uses, permitted accessories, conditional uses, and prohibited uses in the commercial and industrial districts in city code 153.040,
zoning districts. The commission also incorporated cannabis event organizer defined by Minnesota's statute 342.01 uh subdivision 48 into all residential districts uh and permitted uses. Staff
issued the mandatory 10-day public hearing notification which was advertised in the lawn news review commencing February 3rd, 2026. Uh Mr. Chair, uh the city has not received any public comments uh at this time. The
commission uh discussed and have recommended the following updates from the January 2026 or January 26, 2026 meeting to city code 153.040 zoning districts. Uh this is a overview of what happened at that meeting. The
incorpor incorporation of cannabis related business in appropriate districts. Addition of indoor firing ranges, shooting ranges in several commercial and industrial districts. Addition of micro breweries and micro distill distilleries across multiple
districts. Separation of butcher shop from meat market from life or meat meat market from livestock feeding yards and slaughterhouse. Changes to building design and construction material requirements. Increasing the maximum height for principal accessory
structures to 45 ft in all commercial and industrial zoning districts. Reduction in minimum dwelling unit size from 600 to 500 square ft. changes to the lighting requirements and then removal of trash enclosure requirements in all commercial
industrial zoning districts. Uh Mr. Chair, in your packet, uh there is a redline versions of all residential and all commercial and industrial zoning districts that we've that we have
um have reviewed and discussed. So, Mr. Chair, uh this is a public hearing and now it's open to the public. Uh after the public hearing um uh and uh old business, we'll we'll dive further into it. I have received some uh great comments from Council Member Bosea that
we do need to discuss, but we'll do it at that agenda item. >> Okay. >> So, Mr. Chair. >> All right. Um does anyone have anything to add? All right, I'll uh entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion.
>> Motion by Mike Condu. >> Second. >> Second by Jamie James, I guess. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. All right. Motion passes.
This meeting's closed. All right. Uh >> yeah, public hearing. Public hearing. Sorry, >> don't go. >> It's my first time. >> Mr. Chair, you're doing a good job. >> Presentation of citizen petitions and comments. Um,
limited two minutes. Doesn't look like we have any. All right. Um, approval of a consent agenda. None. Um, I guess we'll move on to old business. Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh consider
approval of ordinance 2026 340, an ordinance amending city code 153.040 zoning districts. Uh members of the uh commission. Uh you should have a revised version of the ordinance. Um I I truly
appreciate uh everybody that takes a very detailed close look at this. Uh, I've received some updates from council member Bosea and and uh the removal of the air conditioning screening uh from from the industrial uh commercial
districts. Uh he helped me out. There was a few trash enclosures in there that uh have been removed also. So like I said, uh gentlemen, this is a heavy duty document and I want this to be perfect uh when we approve or when we bring it
to city council. Um as I stated in my prior into the public hearing, I summarized all the changes uh that were made at the last meeting. Uh they have been incorporated into our spreadsheet which will be continue to be used as a
working document and I said I want to refer to uh the your handout in front of you. I have made I made page for updates to page 27 35 and 73. Uh this is a redline version.
And tonight to further discuss this uh I received some uh suggestions uh for further uh review and discussion especially in our residential districts and uh council member escape Bosea reached out to me and said hey could we
uh discuss in the residential under permitted accessory uses uh gardening or other horiculture use or no sale of products. is uh conducted on the site.
The um uh then also just a few a few um a few a little bit further down uh discuss uh rumors a maximum of two per dwelling unit. And then uh at with letter M, yard sales
provided that each sale event runs from Thursday at 8:00 a.m. to the following Sunday at 8:00 p.m. and there are no more than four sales per year. Um also for a discussion item tonight is data centers.
>> Uh council member wanted to bring that forward uh to also discuss that in our commercial and industrial zones. So Mr. Mr. Chair, I think the best approach here is that if you're looking at your front page of the uh the um of the your
attachment uh looking at just page number one under permitted accessory uses. Why don't we just uh start the conversation off with gardening or other horiculture use or no sale of products is conducted on the site. So, Mr. Chair,
do you want to open that one up? >> Okay. >> And Mr. Mr. Chair, we're going to look at this one with the uh binder on top. Excellent. >> All right. See,
>> or council member Wo, uh, as far as your comment goes, what are you suggesting? >> Remove it. Just like we allowed people to sell their eggs, why not allow them to sell some extra zucchini or sweet corn, but extra zucchini happens
to be the common one among gardeners? But >> yes, >> I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be allowing people to sell stuff from their house, especially in the days of social media marketing. I'm for it. There's already state and
federal law anyways if you're going to sell certain once you start hitting uh certain product thresholds. So I mean you start running into cottage laws and >> Mhm. >> the regulation already exists.
>> I want you garden all you want. >> Well it says permitted access too >> gardening or other horiculture uses. We're not permitting that. We're not predinating the sale of your products, meaning you can grow it for yourself,
but you can't sell any extra stuff. >> And I know there's a few people in town that sell sweet corn. >> That's me. >> And pumpkins. >> That's me. >> And squash. >> And >> what the heck? >> Years ago, we were giving away zucchini. We had so much of it.
>> Well, that wasn't illegal cuz you're giving it away. >> You go tell my daughter she can't sell sweet corn. >> I'm allowing it. I think we should take that out of there. >> I I agree. >> Or other
no, >> it's permitted as long as there's no sale, but I don't think we should be stopping people from selling the stuff they grow out of their gardens. I mean, >> yeah. Don't we allow it on um
was one of the commercial things we had that they could sell it in their parking lots and stuff? >> Mhm. Are you worried about competition? They're going to take you out. >> No. >> I get corn from them all the time. Most likely his son brings it over.
>> I don't know. >> I say we strike it. >> I'd strike it. >> You all right with that? >> Yep. And we're referring for all uh zoning district >> R1, R2, R3, if we allow it in R4, go for
it. >> All right. Uh if you drop down the J, uh rumors, a maximum of two per dwelling unit. Um council member, um I don't think we should put the limit on
roommates. The houses are getting bigger and more expensive. And if they need more roommates to make that house work for them, allow it. As long as they stick to the two per bedroom rule.
That is state statute. >> Oh, I see what he's doing. Okay. >> We just want to strike a maximum of two per unit. We can leave rumors. >> Well, then there's no reason to even leave it in there. Well, you got another
you got another where it shows capacity. I forget what page it's on, but it's >> one per 500 square f feet. >> So, aka you're telling me I can tell >> one per 250? >> Per 250. Yes. >> I can tell my dogs I can't sleep in my bed because they'd be considered a
roommate. Kick them out to living. That'll work. Yeah, we could put in the one per 250 square ft. Take out the maximum. You say rumors one per two. Has this been an issue before? I don't
think we've ever checked into it. >> Good luck. How do you know who's a guest or who's >> No, there's something >> typically those complaints come from neighbors. >> Mhm. >> Thanks for that. You're watching closer.
I don't know. Mike, what do you think? I find scratching it, especially since you already have the state guidelines backing it up. >> Exactly. >> Loosens it a little, but it still caps it. >> Should we strike it? >> Yep, >> I would.
>> What do you think, Tim? I >> Well, I don't know. I mean, you know what? If you get some neighbor that doesn't like you and you can't rent out a room to somebody,
it's getting into we're starting to uh u um what's the word I'm looking for for tent or for rental properties. We're going to start uh um you know
taking watching rental properties and so what's the next one? Do we get permits for them too and stuff? >> Mhm. >> I think that's more of a priority to staff having an actual rental ordinance and maintenance and things like that versus the number of >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Because we got a lot of rental properties in town. More than >> Way more than anyone thinks. >> Yeah. Way more. >> Yep. a lot. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I just seen Brian's house is up for sale and somebody was looking at
that to buy as a rental property. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I don't know. Do we want to get into that right at this point or do we want to do that with the >> I just strike that and then we'll work on doing a renters's piece later on.
Just me. I wouldn't I don't feel comfortable telling people what they can and can't do with their property, >> especially on the inside. >> I agree on that. >> Well, I I think it's important to remember too that zoning isn't to let the one person do whatever they want.
>> It's to protect the neighborhood and the investment, the three to $500,000 investment people have made. That that's the point of zoning, not to let that one off do whatever they want. >> Yeah. I think >> it's a protection more than anything. >> To me, I would do it more for rentals.
You know, we write something in for rentals versus just saying nobody can have it. I don't know what you're feeling, Tim. >> I don't know. Um, so this is saying in my house where I can't rent it out to two people.
If if I got kids moved out and I got two bedrooms downstairs, >> you could rent it out to two. You couldn't rent it out to three people. >> Three people. Yeah, look, I got a fivebedroom house. There's two people living in there. >> We're worried about that, but we don't
care about the cars in the yard. >> I don't know. I'd be more concerned about the cars in the front yard and the people >> in the house. >> Yeah, I say we scratch that one. I'm fine with scratching it, but if you want a max, we can bring in that one per
250 like we have in B3. >> One per 250. So, >> yeah, >> never had an issue with >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah. Let's just scratch it. by scratching. Are you saying we're going to get rid of a max? >> Get rid of J. Yeah.
>> Or do one per 250 or just complete >> uh removal all together. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll go with the flow. >> All right. And then M we're still in the first page. yard sales provided that
each sales event runs from Thursday at 8 o'clock a.m. to the following Sunday at 8:00 pm and there are no more than four sales per year. >> Council member Wka, >> I was just questioning why we're limiting it to days of the week and
to four per year. Is it four consecutive weekends or four separate sales events? >> It reads like four separate sales events >> because I know cleaning out an estate
can take weeks to sell that stuff off if you're dealing with >> has to run Thursday to Sunday. So, say you don't you aren't able to start it till Friday and the way it's >> Yeah, but yard sale is you got to be distinct from an estate sale.
>> Yeah. But why is why also does it say the yard sale event must run from Thursday to Sunday? What if you don't start till Friday? >> I want to know who's going to keep >> tail. Who's going to be going around checking to make sure? >> There's a number of houses will be
complaints on garage sale every week. >> Really? >> Oh, wow. >> That is a working question. is a working question that does come up. >> Is that a permit that they can apply for um instead of having to follow this? Can
they apply for a permit sell stuff out of their property? >> Yeah. I don't know if they treat as a home occupation if they go to estate sales and buy all kinds of stuff and then bring it home and and sell it at their house. But we do get complaints on this. >> Is that what the trend is?
>> I don't know what they what they do. Well, I just I know somebody just outside town, they go buy storage units and they sell them on there, you know, >> and I go down there shopping all the time. >> But I I guess my question goes back to is
is there a way do we have a permit where say if they do more than four sales per year they apply for the permit? >> Right now we don't know. >> Okay, >> that might be something to look into. I
think the bigger thing is is, you know, uh, parking. You know, when people have garage sales, you know, every weekend there's just, you know, cars parked on the streets and, you know, having to cut your grass or you're having people over for your kids' birthday and there's no place for your family to park and you
actually live there. But, um, just this actually is a complaint. >> I can see that. >> So, where are you completely? Mayor Burke said though I do even having a permitted one if you want to do more.
>> I'm not opposed to that. >> Don't garage sales start on Wednesdays now or some of them or is it always Thursday? >> I thought some of them started earlier before. >> I think it just kind of depends on if you
say I think it depends on whether Mike has his on Monday. typically every case, >> you know, that Thursday, Friday, >> Saturday. >> Yep. >> So, I don't know. >> And all this is is a baseline, >> right? >> Mhm.
>> So, and typically from the calls that that uh Joel has fueled is, okay, this person's having a garage sale every single weekend. >> Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. >> So, this at least and and this is not where staff are actively driving around
town watching looking for garage sales. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um this is if if uh Tim, your neighbor is having one every single weekend and you're like, "Okay, I'm going to call the city house. >> Take care of it."
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> At least there's, like I said, at least there's a baseline. >> Okay. Makes sense. That makes sense. >> You're saying leave it in as it is. >> That's the language you're saying permitting it. >> You guys can do whatever you want. As
staff, this is what we actually >> Tim, my suggestion is to leave it the way it is and then Okay, then if it becomes a problem, let's find a solution. Let's get a permit together. >> Yep. >> Guidelines. >> Yeah. Because then you can just post the permit and your neighbor can complain,
but as long as they got the permit, you're fine. Yeah. Yeah. I just the the only thing that's weird to me is the the wording because it sounds like you have to have a garage sale from Thursday to Sunday. Like you can't start it on Friday. It has to run from Thursday to Sunday. Just
the wording seems weird to me. >> You could literally add the word may. If you really want to change it, just may run. >> Yeah. >> I think it's just the >> intent is it's a window. >> Yeah. It's a time. It just seems like though the way it's worded to me when I was reading it, I'm like, why do I have
to start on Thursday? >> I don't know. >> It's basically >> you are committed the whole time. >> You will run this 8 a.m. range. >> It's just I don't know. Maybe it was just the way I was reading it, I guess. >> Yeah. I say we leave that.
>> Mr. Chair, do we have a >> We'll leave that one alone. >> We're going to leave that one alone. >> Yep. >> All right. And another the uh and then another comment that came up uh impacts the commercial and industrial building districts
and that is um data centers. So council member Mena, I thought that was an excellent point to bring up. >> You want to take it from there? >> Well, if you've haven't been paying attention to the media, it is a hot topic right now. They're dealing with it in Farmington. They're dealing with it
all over the numerous cities have put a one-year moratorum on it. Farmington probably wishes they had. They already lost a mayor over it. Um, let's go all out and just ban it completely at large scale. I know you're going to have your small businesses that
are going to have server racks in them and we'll leave those alone. But off-site data storage, we're taking up massive amounts of square footage, using massive amounts of our water, taking massive amounts of electricity off the grid. We can't support that.
>> That's why Minnesota's being chosen as general is because of that access to dealing with water. >> Mhm. So, I think there's a really uh smart way of doing it.
I've thought about this for a while. Um, but I think we'd have to really take a comprehensive view and really get even the attorney involved in language. But cuz you you can create incentive districts, you can create tiff
districts, you can create planned unit developments that even if you I don't know maybe if you prohibited it or conditional used it, you could still kind of find some ways around it because they these developers also use
telecommunication. They use um light industrial sometimes commercial or warehousing. I mean it would have to be legally defined hypers scale data centers defined what
it is and then not make uh at all allowed in any zoning district. But then I'd also kind of would figure out if you could uh ban it from those incentive districts too, like
where you couldn't do a PUB, but I think prohibiting it for what it's defined as is is enough. Um cannot be cannot be associated with telemarketing and light warehousing.
But I I think it's I think it's a lot more than just saying data centers are prohibited. Um I think we just got to add some strict language into it and defining it legally. I'm I'm totally in favor of it.
>> Devil's in the details on it. The other the other option too is well then the other thing I worry about too is are we even allowed to have setbacks on any of our edges of where you would potentially look at annexing it where the townships can't
just sell off land and have them build one next to the city. >> This is a big convers this is a big conversation. >> Yeah. I've worked in data centers. They take up a lot of square footage, especially going down. >> And Joel and I have talked about this,
too. I mean, there there's no city property or private property in the city limits that's big enough to host a a data center. Um, and then we do not have the resources, water,
um, to support that. >> Then there's contamination, everything else. Some would say, some would say we are the best since we don't have the capacity for water. That would be a part of the developer's pitch is we'll pay for your water tower and infrastructure
or your wellhead protection. Um, but as far as land, yeah, I mean, I keep looking at annexation laws and how much land we can annex at a time. It just seems to get a different result every time I look into it more. But I
mean I think if you want an allout prohibition uh legally defining it for what it is where you cannot associate it with something else. Um our zoning districts
around the city are good. That's why I kind of question how we can add language to make sure it's not a PUD. Um in the event we do go and annex more land in the years to come. and then, you know,
something happens with developers, it gets a little tricky. But yeah, I definitely think it's worth a conversation. Um, make sure we hit it right. Sorry, I lost my voice. I kind of sound a little horse, but you make a good point.
>> Yeah, Jamie, give me one of those back. So, are we in agreeance that uh prohibited use the staff will reach out to the attorney to for a legal definition? >> Yeah, I think so. That would probably be the best idea. >> Well, yeah. >> Make sure we get all our
>> eyes dotted, tees crossed, make sure they can't weasle their way in through somewhere else. >> Mhm. >> Draft definition. Okay. >> And then >> or you could create your own district board, too. just not zone anything for
it, you know. But anyway, yeah, there's a lot of ways we can work with it. >> All right. But I will uh I'll add that I'll reach out to the uh city attorney tomorrow and have the the attorney uh draft that definition and then
incorporate this uh prohibited use or this into prohibited use in all commercial industrial zoning districts with within the city. And I kind of wonder what's going on with um this next session that's
legislative session that's going to be happening here pretty soon. I don't know. I know it's been a hot topic. So be interested to see what comes down in time. >> You see how many have come to Minnesota data centers? You said >> quite a bit.
>> Farmington. >> Well, Farmington's trying to get some. There's some down by Rochester. >> Really? >> Rosemont, Canon Falls. This is my proposal for Fairville. >> Yep. >> Really? >> Yeah. Cuz I just uh this last fall I did
a um I did a perimeter search on a property there where they were looking at putting a data center on. They wanted me to locate all the you know boundary survey. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. >> But yeah, there's data centers are popping up like crazy. Not just call
centers either. There's data storage centers coming in >> and the valley's been talking about one too. at Apple Valley is. Yeah, >> we're trying to buy hard drives and they're sold out till next year because there's that many data centers going in.
>> RAM is an issue, too. >> Yep. >> You look at the one in Egan. >> This AI cuz it's all AI data center. You could put the the Metro Dome in there. >> That place is massive. >> Where's this? >> Egan.
>> Yeah. >> A little bit. I heard about it. Yeah. >> Yeah. But even the small ones I worked for, they're as big as this building, but the whole top floor is empty because everything's underground. >> So you they're literally wasting all that space.
>> Is that That's you doing that. >> So, Mr. Chair, I'll follow through. Uh like I said, we'll add that to prohibited uses. I'll reach out to the attorney and we have that defined before we bring this to city council for final approval at the March 12th meeting. >> That sounds good.
>> Uh Mr. Chair and members of the commission, is there anything else we see in the packet um that was miscommunicated? >> Typo, mislabeled.
We're stuck. >> I hate to I hate to pull this card all of a sudden out of nowhere. I was just thinking about it, but can we make uh the mezzo business and all that conditional uh for Main Street?
>> They do cultivation >> uh meaning going back and uh update uh previous ordinance 2024. Sorry, I don't have it in front of me. >> I don't I don't know what it was, but recently I was just thinking about, you know, the city hall and then I was looking at some of these main street
businesses and I was like, we we should do conditional. I hate to be like that, but because I I don't know if they got the best size for square footwise. I don't know.
I'm just throwing it out there. They don't even have enough electricity going to them. I've been talking to them about the old city hall and they're waiting to get service ran to the building and it's going to be a couple weeks if not a couple months before they
get it ran out of there cuz they can't even just run it across. They have to directional bore from the corner of 19 up and then building. >> Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I mean,
if you got somebody that wants to really do an overhaul on an old building, yeah, okay, I can see it being worth it, but I also just see it being a headache, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. They want to stick the money and do a lot. >> Well, the short answer is yes, you can.
>> Yeah. >> Up to you guys. is I don't get a vote in this meeting and I don't see anybody running a bunch of generators out there. So I I would say I wouldn't really mess with it too much.
All right. So, any anybody have any other changes in? >> Yeah. Um, >> okay. >> Performance standards in B1 B2 all uses in act on page 20. >> Thank you.
>> You have to be a little more specific. Letter F, item one. All uses and activities shall be inside buildings with no outside storage or activities allowed unless Kendall use conditional use as use permit is granted. Um,
they're all doing it already. Why don't we just scratch that? Because you got the hardware store that's got softener salt outside. You've got Mac and Tunes that's got softener salt outside. Um, the car gas stations always have
something between the islands for sale. >> So, I just strike it. >> Do they have >> Do they have conditional uses for that? >> No. >> No. wrong. >> Well, that would definitely hit the
places like Max that put up the greenhouse in the parking lot and >> Yeah. >> Well, technically that'd be inside, but outside. >> Yeah. >> Like coat outside as long as it looks like inside.
>> Yeah. And that's just the B B1 and B2 districts as a >> Okay. >> And you have to go back and look to see when that was actually incorporated into the ordinance,
>> right? >> Yeah, I don't see a problem with getting rid of it, Mike. >> Yep, that's fine. We're good. Cool. Let's not sleep very good. Jamie, do you go around all the time on his neighbor?
>> Holy cow. >> I mean, I thought I had a boring light. >> I go to bed at like 1:00 in the morning. >> All right. What's next? When you got >> I1 and I2 >> page. >> I'm trying to find the page.
We in the 30s or 20s? >> I think we're in the 40s. >> 36 36 >> industrial. Is that what you're looking at? >> I page 36. >> All right. It goes into permitted
accessory uses. >> So, we're on page 39, permitted accessory uses. >> All right. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Letter F. Retail sales of products manufactured on site shall be allowed as an accessory use. A maximum of 20% of
the floor area of the total building area is allowed. We have garden centers in this district. We have micro businesses in this district. We have mezzo businesses in this district. They're going to want more than 20% of
their floor space is retail sales >> due to the uses. We need to strike this Say just strike. You want to strike the whole thing? >> Just strike the whole thing. >> Strike all. And that is an I2 also.
any issues against it? >> I don't have a problem with that, especially when it comes to like green houses and that. >> Yeah. I'm just looking ahead. I can't find it. >> Parking requirements then. page 47. >> That's kind of neat. All of a sudden,
you get the business that occasionally overgrows their parking, which happens to a lot of the businesses on Main Street. But if you're in these districts, we're going to shut you down. >> So, just get rid of everything down to
if excessive on street, then just leave the on street. Plus, in the design standards, you're going to probably make them have adequate parking to begin with. >> There is there is parking requirements based off the square footage of buildings and all.
>> So, we'll have that. But in the odd event, um, they're having we have a garden center and they're giving away a free patunia when you buy a tree and they have a liner on the block to get the patunia. Are we going to say, "Hey,
you can't have that anymore. It's only happening once in a while." As an example, >> no, we haven't. Yep. We are going to designate how much parking area there have based off the square footage of the building to begin
with based on the use. So, we're still saying strike the first part, but leave the excess on street parking part. >> The actual off street parking ordinance will dictate how big of a parking lot they
have to have. So, >> he's saying strike the whole thing. >> Strike the whole thing. >> Okay. So yeah, if it's held on the other one, then yeah, we can strike the whole thing because it's already covered. So >> So they're going to strike all the parking standards for every other zoning district.
>> No, we're going to keep the parking standards. >> But this district doesn't have to have parking standards for retail, but an actual retail business does. Dollar General Casey's put in or not cases, I'm sorry, Quick Trip, but almost 50 parking stalls. >> They'll have to have their parking
stalls due to the design of the building. We already have that off street parking ordinance for that purpose. >> 48 hours. >> I don't care what you guys do. I'm just trying to bring it up. >> Don't we have a number of parking
implementation >> and this is on street. I mean, if we're, you know, if we're being consistent on heights of buildings across standards, we should be consistent on parking. And >> don't we have parking
requirements already in place for every business in the other ordinance where if you put up a garden center, you have to have x number of stalls based on square footage of the building. So, they're already going to have the off street park, the
on-site parking down, but in the instance that they use up their 50 parking spots and they're on the street, occasionally we can persecute them over it. >> Uh if uh yeah, if a project came in
from, you know, an initial shovel in the ground and that was their plan, >> but you know what? If it's an afterthought, We're going to make them comply then actually add off streetet parking.
I think the point of industrial is to have industrial uses, you know. manufacturing things like that and we have had those in the past. Shirts pizza they sold. >> I was trying to >> There's been been a few businesses that
I'm just looking at it from the point that we're allowing me businesses up there and they're going to have retail. So maybe take the square footage away, but leave it if it becomes a problem with off streetet on street parking
that they have to scale back or >> Yeah, that's what the second part says. No, >> if if excessive on street parking of vehicles occurs, the sale shall cease or reduce to the level that off streetet parking can accommodate. I'd say just leave that part in. >> So what's excessive?
One day a month, 10 days a month? And I'm just coming from the implementations perspective. manufactured. >> I don't disagree that those type of businesses will have retail sales >> or at least the option >> Y
>> maybe it so it says if it's like a impedance or a driving hazard where they're blocking off both sides of the road something to make it sound like if they're if they're becoming nuisance on it then it has to be done you know next
versus you know it just can't happen >> I I guess if you were to look at the remaining land that the city has, keeping this would make sense because
you got quick trip going in and you got land over here and land by the PD. And I mean, if you're getting so much excess of traffic coming in, how's your officers going to get out?
or you look down commerce at the same time. There shouldn't be a reason why somebody builds brand new and just doesn't have enough parking spaces. So, I really don't see the excess
for the on street parking other than one occasion. And we were sitting here that night. It was during a council meeting and Dollar General had Chick-fil-A over there and there was a conga line all the way down to Garfield to 19. So, I mean,
I was not going to restrict that one bit. I saluted that. So, shout out to Amber. But that's that's one thing I can see from this. And if it's every day, I don't know how you can tell them to
reduce their sales either. So, it's kind of in between, but I remember when uh uh Raising Canes came to Apple Valley and that whole frontage road like 42 like came out this way and there was a whole line that wrapped
around the frontage all the way to go to Canes. I mean, it was insane. It was like that for years. It was like that for years. >> So, I mean, at the same time, would you >> They brought people back into a nice area like their old Time Square area. So,
I don't know. I can see it kind of both ways, but I kind of look at the land that we have. Yeah. Say if you did bring a raising gains or a Chick-fil-A right over there. I mean, yeah, it's going to be a problem. It's going to be a big problem. >> But that's not I1 or I2 either.
>> Well, but is is this only an I2? >> Yeah, this is I2. So, I don't even see anything in I2 that would bring in that substantial amount of traffic. I just don't unless it's semi trucks, you know, that's that's the only
thing I see. But I don't >> I just leave it >> cuz that's >> you don't really have a whole lot of I2 left. >> No, >> I mean the remaining amount you have is where that 12.6 acres of grass is.
I'd say if we're constructed, then just change the 20% to something else >> for whatever regard. >> I'd remove that 20% floor area for sure and then just leave the >> parking area. Yeah, I would say just
strike that part a maximum 20%. Just get rid of that sentence and then just leave the rest. Way more marks you got on your cheat sheet over there. >> All right. Is the commission in agreeance then? So we're at uh page 47
letter F. >> Uh remove a maximum of 20% of the floor area of the total building area. Is that what we're Is that what the plan is? >> I think Mike just get rid of the 20%.
>> And meet halfway. That won't work. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah, Tim, >> you good? >> Keep all the rest of it and just get rid of the 20%. >> All right, >> Jimmy, what's your next one? >> I see you got a list over there.
>> There's a spelling error in accessory structures. >> What page? >> It's the uh next packet >> called an audible. Not even on this. It's on the next thing we're covering in the agenda. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Killing me. Smalls. >> All right. Mr. Chair, this is the uh opportunity. We made several changes or updates here already tonight. >> Um are we going to get a motion here to make the uh the additional changes?
>> This is nine, right? >> Run number nine, old business. >> Old business. Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. So, uh, motion to approve, uh, the changes to the ordinance 2026-340. >> Motion
>> with the additional changes. >> With the additional changes. >> So, motion for Mike Ku. >> Second. >> Second. >> Jimmy. >> And I'm sorry, that was Mike Ku and >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Sorry.
>> And then all in favor? I >> I >> All opposed. All right. Motion passes. >> All right. Uh on to number 10, new business. All right. Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. uh
review and consider approval to schedule a public hearing on March 6, 2026 for ordinance 2026 341 and ordinance amending ordinance 2024 322 and ordinance amending city code 153.007
accessory building structures uses. All right. Uh Mr. Chair, at the January 8, 2026 city council meeting, the council requested the commission to review and discuss ordinance 2024 322 um
and uh sorry, city code 153.07 007 accessory building structures uses it and address the point where I'm going with this is to address the shed definition and fees for uh sheds under 200 square ft.
Currently, the shed fee for sheds greater than 25 square ft to less than 200 square ft is $25. uh $125 goes to uh the uh two inspections from the building inspector and then an $80
administration fee. A zoning permit application is required. Uh the council has recommended updating the shed definition to reflect or to have similar to the chicken coupe maximum size of 40 square ft plus a run maximum square feet
of 20 totaling 60 square ft for the new maximum size shed without a feed. Uh items of importance to discuss establish new shed definition and maximum square feet. Uh shed material, new proposed
shed fee uh if any and then and then what are we doing with inspection and survey requirements? So Mr. Mr. Chair, I I'm looking for the the commission to discuss the these um
items of importance and schedule of public hearing at the next meeting. >> Okay. >> Attached in your packet, uh you have your handouts. Ordinance 2024 322, ordinance 2025, uh 330 for chickens, and
the public hearing notice. So, Mr. Chair, where do you want to go with this? >> Um, so I guess we should start. Uh, anybody have anything they want to talk about on these? >> Jimmy, >> which packet is on this?
>> Yes, we are at 10 A. >> That's your last packet. >> Tim, that's the last attachment >> on here. All right. Holy bucket. >> Yeah, I'm looking for shed. >> All right. Okay. Page one of ordinance
2025330 has a number three has a shed definition uh one-story accessory structure that is less than 200 square ft and used primarily for storage. So gentlemen as you know anything over two or 200 and
200 plus requires uh building plans >> 200 feet >> and a building review. Anything under 200 square ft to 25 ft just requires a planning and zoning permit. >> For clarification,
what happens when it is a pre-built shed over 200 square ft because they are starting to show ship those at that size. >> Yep. That that is a very good question. Submit the plan set. The building inspector looks at the plan set. Can we so submit a picture of the
building and where the location where it's at? >> He's going to need to review the plan set. >> Cory, I got a question for you. >> Sure, Mr. Mayor. >> If there's a fence in somebody's yard and they go and get a shed,
let's say significantly less than 200 square foot, they still have to pay the $25 for the permit. That is correct. >> So, >> anything above in that range, the 20 greater than 25 square foot to less than 200 foot. That is correct.
>> Okay. So, I kind of thought on this if they already have the fence in, they already know where they're at. So, I guess my question is is can you maybe tell us a little bit more of potentially why they still need to get a permit when
they already know where their yard is and we already have the set back off of the lines? Is it just to check if it's on an even surface? >> No, it's to make sure they they place it where they identified it in their survey and it like you said meeting the
setback, the five foot setback. >> So, in need the inspector. >> The what? >> Do we really need the inspector? >> Uh, that's up to the That's up to the commission. >> Can you take me through the process a little bit so somebody calls you? Okay.
>> Tom B, 420 Maine. Hey Corey, I just put this fence in. Cool fence right on my property line, actually. >> And thank you for pulling that permit and identifying your property. I haven't yet. I'm still dep debating if I need to give you money. >> So, I really appreciate that. They'll
come around and find. >> But say say I I do have a fence around my yard, which I don't, but if I did, or if I put it next to say if I got a detached garage and I line it up to
where my detach garage is. >> Okay, say it's in the corner of my yard. and I just put that shed right off to the side. It's it's within the bounds of my property. So, if I if I send you that
site map, why do I need an inspector? >> Mr. Mayor, just to make sure that you put that shed where you said you were going to put it. >> That's it. >> Yep. >> 205 bucks. >> Well, I'm just responding to your question. >> Okay. I know. I know. I'm just throwing
it out there because this thing has been such a large complaint within the community and I want to make sure that it's we at least have our shot of trying to come up with solutions cuz I mean some of these some of these people are paying like 200 bucks for a shed or getting
used ones online and they're little, you know, plastic ones or whatnot and here they're like, "Well, I got to pay 205 bucks." >> Yeah. And Mr. Mr. Mayor, I I I I agree with our our philosophy, and Joel said that earlier. It it's to protect the
current the homeowners, not just not just the applicant, but the properties budding up to that pro budding up to that property. All right, Mr. Mayor, you pull a fast one and it's uh two inches off your fence line. All right, so now
the shed's there. You got weeds growing up, I don't know, two feet tall and your neighbor hates it, you know, and >> noxious weeds. >> They'll die your friends >> or grass taller than 8 in. >> Yeah.
>> You know, as the weed inspector, >> I got your back. Let's reduce the cost. >> So, I'm just saying I'm not debating this. This is up to the this this was brought forward at the at the at the beginning of the year. I told council member Wka it would be on this agenda
tonight for further discussion. I'd like to move forward with it because it's almost shed season, gentlemen. I know >> and I want to get this public hearing uh going if we're going to have one. >> I just want to make sure that you know you guys can share and share what you guys go through. I mean, not a lot of
people know like, hey, I send this piece of paper in, you know, and then I hand my money over, then what happens? you know, and a lot of people don't see that side of it, >> but yes, you are correct. So, all of our So, our zoning permits, which includes sheds, fences, parking pads. Remember,
we do not charge for parking pads. >> Mhm. >> I did throw that plug out there. Um, uh, it requires that you go online. It's on the bottom of our permit page, uh, under zoning permits. Uh, you fill it
out. Everything's online. Um, you do submit a survey uh with that location. It comes in, I check the I do the plan review. If there's anything I need to further look at, talk to Joel about it. Um, once that's established, uh, that
meets all the zoning requirements. Um, I contact you, Mr. Mayor, uh, for the fee. As soon as I receive that fee, I issue the permit. You schedule the, uh, uh, staking inspection with the building inspector. He plops out there. He he visits the sites and just to verify that
Mr. Mayor, you said you're going to put it right here and it's right there. Uh once this shed's in, we got to double check ourselves. So the the the zoning or the building inspector goes back out there to make sure that okay, it is where it's supposed to be because if
there's a lack of or if there's not a follow through, we we could have a perhaps a fence running throughout someone else's property if there's not a follow up. inspection done. >> Very good. I appreciate that, Corey.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> That was well said. >> I just did the permit last year and it really wasn't that hard to fill out. >> Mike, you're you're a good applicant to work with. >> And mine was a pre-built shed, so it was really easy. Just I just put an
attachment of the plans to it. So, it was really not that hard to fill out. >> What did your neighbor think of it? We won't go. >> We don't like >> All right. I still got to throw something at that neighbor. >> Is it the guy that's on the happenings
all the time? >> No, no, no. >> It's the guy sitting next to you. >> Yeah, it's the guy sitting right next to you. >> Oh, this guy. Not one. It's even worse. It's even worse. >> Uh, so I I don't know. I mean, the fee
is the fee. I mean, it is what it is. is if you go out and buy a cheap shed, you got to pay the same as somebody who goes out and >> buys a brand new one like I did for, you know, $4,000. Or you buy a $200 one, you still got to pay the fee, >> but I mean, it's there to it's there for
a good reason, I guess. >> I I can see it definitely being a good need if you don't have a survey of your property or if you don't have your pins, you know, or whatever it is. But I always kind of questioned, you know, having a fence in your
backyard and and and that kind of stuff. So that was all I was getting to. >> So do we keep when we send in those surveys? >> Does the city scan those and put them into a file for the location
>> so we don't have to keep redically? >> Yeah, Mr. Chair. So it goes so in our public folder or it does we do save them digitally. Okay. And then also it's kept in your permit. Uh you have access to that uh through your >> I have my copy that I keep in my in my
fireproof safe but I know a lot of people you know they move or something happens you know kids move out and stuff gets lost. I just wanted to know like cuz >> paying >> I can't guarantee that I have everybody's sometimes it takes a little bit longer
to find one. Yeah, it got put on 209 instead of 210 in my instance. >> So, >> wasn't his done back before uh like lights. >> We We do our best to make sure that we have them on file. >> Yeah, that's good. That's That was a
question I had and I I was going to ask you when I filled out my permit. I just forgot to ask. >> Um so, okay. So, um >> um >> hold on. There's a spelling error in there. >> Okay. I knew it was coming.
>> Page two, item number two, peak high. It's supposed to be peak height, but I was looking at like the small sheds like the chicken coops, we allowed no permit because they were movable. So
if we went like 60 square feet or less and no concrete floor, no footings, nowhere near your property lines, maybe no feet, >> no peak. Oh, so just add a te to the
end. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> So was that it on that one? >> That was the only thing I saw. >> Um any change anything? >> Do we want to allow turkeys? No, I'm kidding.
>> Sure. I got deer in the backyard up or >> I did see a petition or a surve made for goats recently. >> So, Mr. Chair, where are we going with this? Cuz it's shed season because I I do got to move on this one. This one is
alone. >> I'm sorry. >> Say we leave that that part alone. Anything else on that one that we wanted to change? >> I got no problem with this. >> You younger guys got more fight than I do.
>> If the city says, "Yeah, just you got anything?" >> Nope. Leave it. >> All right. Um, so guess we'll motion to approve the public hearing on this. >> If we don't change anything, we don't need a public hearing. >> No, Mr. Chair, we're going to leave. All
we need is a motion to leave as is. >> Okay. Motion to leave as is. >> Motion. >> Second. >> All right. Motion by uh Mike Con, second by Tim. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I. All those opposed.
Motion passes. All right. Um moving on to other business. We got the uh >> No. Uh Mr. Sure. Just under other business, I I thank everybody for always being so flexible and getting work done
for the city. Uh everybody got back to me for uh right away uh for the special hearing this or this coming Wednesday night >> uh at 7 o'clock p.m. Uh the applicant uh Scott Lumis will be here Wednesday night
>> to uh to answer any questions that we have with the concept plan at at the big speed review development. So Mr. Mr. Chair, I I don't have any other business unless anybody else wants to bring something up.
>> Okay. Anybody have anything else? >> All right. I'll take a motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:09. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> Second. A motion by Mike Conute, second by Tim. All right. All those in favor?
>> I I All those opposed. >> Meeting adjourned. They