Okay. Welcome to the Wednesday, June 25th, 2025 meeting of the Pacon Township Planning Board. Um, would everyone please uh join me in a moment of silence find followed by the
pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Adequate notice of this meeting has been
provided indicating the time and place of the meeting in accordance with chapter 231 of the public laws of 1975 by advertising a notice in the star ledger in the express times and by posting a copy on the bulletin board in the municipal building.
I'll call the roll. Members Coyle Koy here. George here. Waller and Gucci here. Leo here. Weeks. Vice Chairwoman Deo here. Chairman Samson here.
Okay. Old business. Uh, everybody get the email with the with the copy of the minutes? Everybody got it? Anybody have any uh questions, concerns, comments, revisions? Okay, hearing none. Uh would someone like to care to make a
motion to approve the minutes? Motion. I'll second. Uh all in favor. Say I I have to I have to also please.
Okay. Laccon new business lacon uh school district. Looks like we're going to add a little parking. Uh some sidewalks. Uh Mr. Gian Picaro. And just so the board's aware, this is a courtesy review for a capital
improvement project just to make sure that it's compliant with our master plan and there's no major issues. like storm water or something like that. Thank you very much. Uh Anthony John Ficaro, uh John Fararo, architects, engineers, and planners. We are the
district architect and engineer of record for the uh the Pakcon uh board of education. Um with me here tonight too is Mr. Marmale, the superintendent. uh if you have any questions for him uh in addition to what we are presenting
here. Uh currently there is Mr. J Carl I'm just going to swear you in quick. Oh sure just just for ultimate suspenders you swear affirm that the testimony you meant to give this boy is the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth. Yes. Thank you sir. You've been here before. I have. I've tested the board is
accepted. Thank you. Uh currently there is a loop in front of the existing Lacon Township uh elementary school and it's used for uh bus drop off. Uh right now we're
trying to squeeze a little more parking on the site. Uh and we're proposing just to do some cutouts off of the loop uh to create uh a few more spots. We're going to put one light pole on each side just to give a little light to that area if
someone comes out, you know, after dark, you know, uh, you know, in the in the winter, say 4:30 or so. Um, it's it's pretty simple. We're we're doing it on the inside of the the loop. Uh, if I
could just point out to Yeah, I'm sorry. The inside of the loop on the west side on the east side. It's on the outside of the loop. We're adding u 10 on the east side and another 10 on the west side. Um and
again, we're going to run an electric line just to put a u a fixture on both sides. We're going to uh curve. There's an existing curve right now on just on the inside. So, we're going to curve the
side on the west side uh the east side which is going to pay because there's no curb on this side of the um the existing bus loop. Um and that's actually the entire proposal. It's
pretty pretty straightforward. Um, it's less than 5,000 square ft of disturbance. Uh, it's about, uh, I think we're less than, uh, 20 spots
is, uh, I think it was about 3,800 square feet of new lock coverage. I looked at it. So, um, we're here tonight to, uh, present to you and 3,200, sorry. Yeah.
Do we have to designate any handicaps in that? Uh, we're going to use existing handicap parking um on the site. Um, we weren't planning on on making any of these handicapped. Does it change anything, right? If
you're only having a couple spots by the size of the buildings, right? In terms of handicap spaces, I mean, you know, I don't know what the total count of handicapped is is on the site, but certainly, right, there's a the first 25 require one handicap space and the first 50 require two. It's like one per 25,
but once you get over a certain amount of parking, it's not a direct correlation to one per 25. There's like a different ratio that's in the uh barrier free sub code. Um, I'm not sure what that number is, but I would imagine if the district if the school needed
more handicap spacing, you'd probably designate some closer to the building. Exactly. Um, I haven't been personally through that loop, so I don't know what it looks like gradewise, but I don't know if it would be ADA compliant or not. Yeah. I mean, if if we wanted more, I'd put them up closer to the sidewalk
or even on the other side, which is closer to the front door. We want to move them closer. All right. Anybody on the board have any questions? I do. Sure. Izzy, what are you doing? So, you're cutting down two
trees, man. First, I want to first I want to thank you. I guess I should present myself. Yeah. And let me just swear you in as well. Absolutely. Raise your hand. Do you swear affirm that the testimony you're about to give the support is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Please state your name. Spell your last for the
record. Israel Marmaleos. M A R M O L E J OS the PCON Township School District Superintendent. So first uh Miss George, thank you for uh the Genko tree. That was uh very nice and shade tree commission. Um so when we
received the preschool grant um we had a lot more traffic to the front. So it got to the point because we're actually we're still looking at that back because there's still work that has to be done back there. But the front was a a very very important issue. We actually had school buses that almost had to stop on
57. Soon as I saw that, um, figured, all right, we're going to have to do some work, open up some spots. We had folks parking on the side where there are no parking spots. It made it harder for the buses to come in. So, by adding spots, not only are we going to give staff more parking spots, but during dismissal and
arrival, we have spots where parents can actually park without causing any hazardous situations for our school buses and our students that are on those buses and parents that are dropping off as well. Sure. Um Beth, I'm not sure about our new ordinance if um schools
are exempt from the ordinance. Um because those are two trees. I assume it's two trees being removed. Yes, that's a good point. And based on their diameter of breast height, that's going to determine how many trees need to be removed and permit needs to be submitted
because I'm tired of it. Yeah. I don't think the district's exempt. Yeah, anyone would be uh required to replace the trees. Cool. So, a permit is required to remove the trees and um depending on how big they are, they they
do have to be replaced. That's all. You're allowed up to three in a fouryear period, but not the size of those trees, unfortunately. So, we will have to replace. Not not a problem. Uh there's no problem on obtaining a permit as long as you guys approve it. And we actually
do have a plan. We're working with the trees for schools. I believe we're receiving 15 trees per building. Um, some big, some mediumsiz, some small. So, yes, we do have a plan to uh replace as many trees as possible and add some. I'm so glad to hear that. Right. Um, and
my other question is, um, I think there's a a new state regulation regarding electric charging stations. Um, when you do something, and I'm looking down there at the end, when you when you make changes to a parking lot, when you add
more spaces, if you renovate the spaces, there's a requirement for having electric charging stations. They don't have to be paid for by you. They have to be provided there by you. And I'm not sure if that fits in. Are you do you have any plans for a fuel efficient
vehicle spot or um adding a charging station for any of your teachers or administrators that might have that vehicle? We did not. Yeah, right now we don't have plans. I mean, obviously that's go I mean to to designate a spot is is pretty simple, but you know to put
like a zero emission vehicle spot, you know, put up a sign on black or whatever. But in order to put a charging station, you know, it would be more cost obviously to the district there. You know, we'd have to go in and get power and run it outside and everything. Uh
either that or we'd have to increase the the size of the power to the light pole. Right now we we weren't planning on doing that. Yeah, I haven't reviewed the ordin I'm sorry. There's a model uh EV ordinance that the uh state has passed
and all municipalities are are obligated to to apply to any site applications. Uh but this isn't a site plan application certainly. Um, and I don't know how this would apply to the school district. I know developers have certain developers
of residential properties have certain percentages uh that have to be um developed, you know, typically for, you know, multiple dwellings with five or more dwelling units uh multiple dwelling units under condominium or mixeduse development. You know, then there's certain certain ratios of spaces that
need to be provided. Um, right. So this this would be more along the lines of sort of any site plan related to a parking lot or garage not related to a residential use. You know calls for one make ready parking space
if there are 50 or fewer off street spaces, two if there are 51 to 75, three if there are 76 to 100. Um and then bringing those online depending on certain ratios. But certainly I don't
know if there's an exemption. I'm not aware whether there's an exemption or not for school districts and that that kind of dubtales in with our jurisdiction because what under the New Jersey law while the board of ed has to come before this board for a a uh master plan review
and consistency determination as a courtesy. It's actually under the educational facilities act where I believe it's the department of education that acts as the approving authority for any type of development. So I'm not sure
what and I have no specialty in that. So I'm not sure what uh particular regulations are as the school regarding the make ready spaces that would traditionally be applicable to a uh to an applicant that's seeing a
commercial use let's say. So, I I just don't believe that it's well, it's not within our jurisdiction. I'm not really sure how the Department of Education deals with that, but it's something that you may want to consider. I don't know if they have a requirement. I I can
reach out to the county superintendent. Reach out to there's there's no reference to schools or colleges in this ordinance. So privacy is probably not applicable that it's outside of our jurisdiction. It was good to find out. Thank you for the
information cuz I was completely unaware of that. All right. Does anybody else have any questions? Yeah, there's there's no one here. So you can open and close. What's that? Mr. There's no interest. Yeah.
Okay. All right, gentlemen. Thank you very much. At this point, I just And again, it's belts and suspenders. Just so that the record's complete. Have a motion to uh uh of the board. just saying that they've reviewed the plan as
accredited review, find it consistent with the master plan and no specific recommendations other than to follow up with appropriate tree permitting and um and to see if there's any type of requirement for
make we have uh we're going to do it through the cooperative bidding process. We already have a proposal and so uh you know assuming this is you know affirmative tonight then we're going to
move forward but we will file the treatment application. Okay. So would somebody care to make a motion that we're consistent with the master plan? I'll leave a motion. I'll second that. Members Koy. Yes. George. Yes. And
yes. Leo. Yes. Vice Chairman Linda. Yes. Chairman Sansson. Yes. I will tell you in that open area out there has nothing to do with what you're doing. There's a time capsule there out there somewhere that nobody's been able to find. Which which open area cuz I think you mentioned this before. No one seems to
know anything about it. I can almost point it out to you where I where I think it is. I wish there still by the flag pole. Wasn't there a flag pole out there? There was a flag pole out there. It was right. I think I remember that. They were unable to find it. Somebody said they did find an old rusted paint can. Oh, really? But I can't. I don't
know whether there was any Boy Scouts or any ground penetrating radar or something, but down the road that's that stuff's expensive, but it's out there somewhere. Okay. Do you think it's more towards the middle of the the island? If you're looking at at the existing monument that's out front, I think it's
in and to the left. Yeah. You're not going to hit with everything you're doing, but it would just be interesting. I think it was 150th anniversary or something. They couldn't find it. That school was built in 1960. So, um, any chance of a metal detector picking that up? I don't think
you see me out there with one. Yeah, you know, I don't think they typically bury those things too far. Okay. Um, but it would just be interesting to see. There are penetrating uh radar companies out there that'll come with a yeah, you know, a device that'll scan it. Maybe we
should consider that. It would be interesting. I don't know. Scott Project or something. Who knows? Well, thank you for the information. That's awesome. It's out there. Check that out. All right. Do you think there's any gold in it? I'll get out there with a shovel.
We can make a mid right when you're back there. Thank you very good job. Okay, next up, pre-cast manufacturing block 100, lot 6.02, 02 reapproval of an application approved by the board in uh
December December 2020. Evening Mr. Chairman, members of the board, William Edston representing Precast this evening. Not sure which members of this board heard the application back in 2021. It was my It was my first uh my
first one here. But this was just at the tail end of the COVID uh epidemic or pandemic and at that point in time everything kind of stopped as far as moving this matter forward. There were at least two and maybe three hearings
involving this application and the one big issue was the impervious coverage and it was resolved that um as long as the applicant installed a rain garden that that would address any additional storm water runoff. So, the board did
grant a fairly comprehensive resolution uh of approval for preliminary and final site plan to allow a 735 square ft addition to the facility for the employees to use as a lunchroom and uh
it does actually result in a little bit decrease in the impervious coverage to 83%. Precast has been before this board many times before this application and of course the concern was that they had almost exceeded the township ordinance
requirements were impervious but we actually reduced it a little bit um with this application. So, not only did we receive um approval for preliminary and final site plan, but we also received the bulk variance. There was a slight um
discrepancy in the setback that was required was about a 4 and 1/2 5 foot setback, additional variance that was required. So, we're here this evening to request either an extension of that approval, which I think it is. Um, I don't know that it's necessarily a
reapproval, but it in any event, I've spoken to the board attorney on this a couple times and he suggested that we appear before the board and ask for an extension of those approvals. I don't know at what stage um, this matter is as far as complying with all of the
conditions. This was at the tail end of Robert Zetterbomb. In fact, this was his last application. He retired right after the meeting that night. And uh I don't think the board made him retire. But in any event, um the plan that you see
before you was actually done by Kurt Hoffman, also a professional engineer, but it's the exact same plan that was approved by the board and and prepared by Mr. Zeterbomb. So that's it. It's a 735T addition. Y and chairman and members, I
agree with council. This is actually an application for an extension of time which is permitted under m municipal land use law. So when you get a site plan approval and oftent times subdivision approval but more specifically site plan the approval never goes away. It doesn't naturally
expire. What does expire is after the passage of time any type of immunity from zone changes, zoning changes, regulation changes and other things that may affect the developer's ability to build that site according to plan. So under the municipal land use law, the
applicant does have the opportunity to come in and apply for extensions of time to stand the actual benefits of the approval and provide a greater period of protection. Because preliminary and final was granted in 2001, it naturally
would have a 2-year uh protection period that can be extended for one-year periods. But this is also somewhat unique because it was granted in the midst of the uh emergency pandemic health emergency. And the
legislature did actually enact a a statute that told approvals during that time period or that were granted in proximity to 2020 and I forget the date to when the governor uh terminated
it and was terminated in March March 7 of 2022. So the approval really started running based upon that legislation from March 7, 2022. You add two years to that of natural
gets to 2024. Uh so they're within time for a extension clearly as provided under the municipal land use law and um it's just the only burden that the applicant bears is demonstrate the board that there was
some difficulty in doing or completing the project which I believe here is a testimony was just pandemic and other kinds of related issues but it's not a an uncommon thing to be granting extensions
of approvals and this board's done it before in the past. So, we just did it two meetings ago, I believe, didn't we? How long was that extension? 19 months. One year extensions, right? Initial two years. So, you get two years and then
you can add one year. So, you have ultimately five years until you're not protected from zone changes. 20. So suppose 2027 basically 2022 to 2027. So we're still within that time frame of extensions. So how long of an
extension are we going to grant right now? That's a question. That's the question with the applicant. How long of an extension are you looking for? I would say two years under the circumstances. And I can add some more detail to what Mr. Ellson had presented has presented to the board. We had gone through the
resolution compliance process with um Mr. Zeterbomb. It took some time cuz he was in Florida at the time, but we went back and forth with him to perfect the plans, get them to a point where they've addressed all the resolution compliance comments. The last set that I had in our file, I printed out. Um, I don't have a
set of the Kurt Hoffman plans, but I'll get those from Beth and we can just verify that the final set that Mr. Zetterbomb presented is reflected on Mr. Hoffman's plans, the current engineers plans. And if all those plan details are the same and the rain
garden is the same and there was some reduction in impervious uh coverage as well in the rear of the site. So as long as all those um conditions that were presented at the time in 2020 are reflected on the plans then we would just be able to sort of roll that into an approved site plan. And we were even
ready to go to a pre-construction meeting and I was reviewing my emails from back in 2021 and one of the gentlemen from pre-cast had indicated that they were putting the project on hold due to the pandemic and you know they would probably revisit it in the future and that's what's happening right now. So they were pretty much ready to
pull the trigger on construction. So do we need to put a condition on the uh on the extension that it's as long as you know it is what for two years I guess or and it has to be in substantial conformance you know certainly Mr. Yeah,
put the language all of the prior approval. Yeah. All of the requirements and the conditions in terms of the prior approval remain in full force in effect. So there's no conditions on the on what we're going to do, right? There's you're not altering that decision where what the board did back in 2021 at all.
You're just extending out the time frame uh of protection relative to the project and those conditions that nothing's changing. And that I I guess by my reckoning if I'm right based upon that
termination with I guess the new date would be about March 7. March 7, 2027 was the extension period. Yeah. Yeah. 5 years after the emergency was lifted. So
that's my calculation. Okay. All right. So, this isn't really a hearing. So, we're not asking him any questions. It's just Yeah, it's just an extension whether we're going to give the extension or not. Okay. So, would somebody care to make the motion to
grant the extension uh for pre-cast manufacturing? I'll second it. Okay. I members, yes. George, yes.
Yes. Yes. Vice chair. Yes. Samson. Yes. And I'll have a resolution drafted just a memorial memorialize that for you next month. Okay. Everybody. Thank you.
Okay. Would somebody care to make a motion to adjurnn? I will make that motion. I'll second. All in favor? Ah, you made that motion.