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e e e everything ready to come e good afternoon everyone it is 3:03 p.m. uh welcome to today's facilities and procurement committee meeting I think we
have a slide deck that Mr mcclean's going to throw up in a minute um on the on the screen we're going to um we'll do some quick introductions we're welcome a new Committee Member uh board member hendy nuil thank you for joining us uh from Board District One um Miss Ortiz
Franklin is going to be a few minutes late and on on Zoom but I think uh would love to hear um uh board member Hing bill from you just a quick introduction uh and then we'll have the committee introduce themselves as well before getting into today's agenda so turn over to my
colleague yes good afternoon I am sheret hendy newbill I Am brand new to the team here and not brand new to education 25 years as an educator at secondary at um dorsy high school which I graduated so
I'm also a legacy of the district L USD so proud and also a mom of two I have a nine and a 12y old that's also a part of the district in board district one so product of board district one worked in Board District One and here I am serving
again in board district one so great to be here and appreciate the opportunity so thank you board member uh so we'll just go around and have folks just do quick introduction so we'll start with uh Miss Greenspan hi I'm Dana Greenspan I am a
parent of a ninth and 12th grader in what's our district Nick Board District Four or District 4 um also a product of L USD Hamilton High School and uh have
had 20 years of experience as a construction project manager so hopefully adding some input for that great and Bo Hamilton's in bd1 but we also have another Hamilton Al on team I don't know about that uh yeah neither does the district I get called for
almost every Hamilton question so maybe this will be the clarifying meeting but my kids live at Mark Twain walgrove Venice that's that's for district four that's where that's where we are and then Hamilton district one uh perfect uh Miss fefferman um hi everyone my name is
Nicole fefferman I am also an LUSD graduate both of my children attend La USD schools um I am a 20-year LUSD educator and also Al the founder of parents supporting teachers thank you um Miss
toes hi everyone my name is Christina toes I'm the chief facilities executive I am also an LAUSD graduate since that's what we seem to be doing um with parents who taught at LAUSD and kids who went to L USD also a member of the is it the LA
USD or the Marshall High School Hall of Fame uh Marshall High School Hall of Fame though we were beaten by by uh dorsy um when we competed for City Championship there you go uh Mr fredman hey good good afternoon
everybody my name is Matt fredman Chief procurement officer uh I unfortunately am not a a graduate of LUSD Glendale Unified um but uh I'm very I'm very proud to be here in support of L USD today but am I right that there's a family connection too there is a
family connection y Unified yeah um uh okay and uh we have um I see a name plate for Miss MOA principal retired principal who's not going to be here she's actually like many of our retirees back in at a school site as an interim um so she was not able to join
us and uh Matt workers also unable to join us but I'll have Miss Ortiz Franklin say hello and then uh Mr Newton online hi everyone T Ortiz Franklin representing board district 7 also an LA unified grad from narvon high school go goutos uh repres presenting South LA to
San Pedro glad to be here thank you Tanya and uh Mr Newton oh you're uh you're on mute Steve you hear me now yes hi this is Steve Newton I didn't graduate from La USD but I did go to wooder Wilson High
School till the ninth grade before I had to move to Orange County also went to Farmdale Elementary School loved El Sereno and um I'm proud to serve on the committee thank you great thank you all for joining us um I think do we have a
slide deck we do great C it thank you um I think it just has kind of our scope and sequence so uh great nice pictures uh next slide please uh okay great so just a reminder of the
purpose of the committee is to examine District facilities and procurement processes and projects to promote public transparency and awareness and identify barriers and make recommendations to streamline and improve current policies and practice um uh we can go to the next slide thank you so the committee has
been trying to stay focused on a series of Prior committee recommendations from prior years which are listed here we'll be addressing two of the highlighted areas uh if briefly today and adding a couple of topics to our list so the construction cost and time comparison uh and then the increased maintenance and operations capacity um so on the next
slide uh we'll see our agenda for today um there are several items but a couple a couple of these items will be brief uh including the updates on housing and the comparative construction analysis both of which we've discussed in recent months uh we'll then hear where the district is in terms of responding to and rebuilding follow the pal following
the Palisades fire uh and then I hope finally to crystallize some questions from the committee for further followup on the district's maintenance and operations uh efforts I've pulled an example of one small paint job painting is something we've talked about at this committee to um just as an example to
see some of the questions that folks may have about how we Bill certain jobs at the district and what we might want to further explore um we'll conclude with public common I see our one public speaker is already here at least the one signed up ahead of time um and then we will need a Wrap by five because Miss toes and I are headed to um uh Brentwood
science magnet to meet with the Palisades Elementary Community to discuss some of these same issues around uh the temporary and permanent rebuilding of the Palisade schools um so I'm going to turn it over uh to our first um presenter who will be mark borison on the update on District
housing initiatives um Mark is serving as the Director of real estate um and he has a few an update and then we'll have some questions from the committee uh as we continue to move this um this effort which is building uh housing on District
property either for our Workforce or our family am our community how to move it forward so thanks Mark good afternoon everybody pleasure to be here um as Nick said I'm Mark borison I'm director of real estate for the district and business development and I'm not going to answer where I went to school because
it doesn't seem like it'll be a winner based on the reception Matt got but moving right along uh we uh started the Housing Initiative and this is just a brief update that we uh from the meeting that we had with the board in January so two things we're going to
covers a financial analysis update that we're in the process of doing on two sites and a request for proposal for a housing consultant So currently Bradford and dunlevy who did the uh housing uh survey of all our employees and 15,000 families
uh is performing a financial analysis on two sites for potential development so they're doing massing studies and things and just kind of giving us a rough idea and then the other we're going to present the findings at the April 2 second meeting of this committee and you guys will see the results of that work
at that time so we did a request for proposal for uh housing advisory services to include but not limited to sit specific uh due diligence Financial modeling uh Community engagement stakeholder engagement development of Workforce
housing we issued that on February 3rd thank you Matt and then we got that deadline for proposal was 30 days later Mar March March 4th we got the proposals back on the 12th everything was gred we selected a consultant following review evaluation of scoring of the proposals
and April 8th we going to present that to the uh board for approval for that contract and that's really the update but we did it in 30 days and then can I know it's not on the slides but then remind us so we've we then have the April 8th the board will
approve likely the um housing consultant and then there that's step you know one or two put have a longer process when it comes to the rfps and so I don't know if you remember off the top of your head but the timeline for uh then that consultant working on putting out the
rfps uh on the properties that have already been selected is what uh we we've given them six to eight weeks to do the RFP and the review in the RF in the RFP to get out proposal to developers and then we'll come back to the board for approval those release of
those those proposals to Developers for that RFP great thank you I know it was a brief update but we wanted to kind of just keep the momentum every committee meeting talking about housing I don't know if committee members have questions or comments I actually have a question um
how many how many proposals yeah how many folks said we want we want in on this I'm just curious um I think the Code of Silence applies on the procurement process so we're not allowed to disclose that just know the number I don't need to know who do you mean the Consultants or the employees
who oper the Consultants I don't have that info in front of me but I can get it by the end of the meeting for you do we do we have a sense was it just one or two or was it there werein five a collection okay thank you me I think there were eight
man they were eight thank you yep yes ma'am a scale of how many units you're talking about on these properties we've identified nine properties to see what we could develop on those we don't have an ex unit count yet because we haven't done massing studies that's what the consultant will come on board and the consultant will start doing massing
studies along with zoning and all the other uh components to see what we could possibly build on the property we don't have those answers yet we are doing it for two properties that one on 22nd you'll get a sense of what those two properties are capable of being developed as but remind us how
many um units the district already has in the first tranch of three of three projects we've done over in the last decade uh don't have the figure right off my hand but it's uh somewhere just over 125 units something like that that we've got
I'll get you the exact number though that's in three projects other questions or comments um and so this is kind of a followup on Miss Greenspan so we had put um so the district had done three maybe Miss toes can help me too three there's a fourth
but it's a different sure but I mean just quickly so for my ownes absolutely so we have um three housing projects that we um call as having District preference for District employees and
then the first one we did kind of the first pilot was just a general affordable housing it did not have that District preference so overall four three with a district preference one is just open to the general public so then we did last year in REI request for an
expression of on eight properties um to get a sense of you know what are the ones that are more um right for development and and then that was the ba the basis of then hiring doing the housing survey and then hiring the consultant but my question is you know that eight was still as I kind of think
the first tranch in the lower hanging fruit um of what the district has at our um what the district has available for potential housing or or development and I know for example like one of those sites that is on this REI is uh shuttered School in the valley that's
been closed since the ' 80s or 90s but there are Collins but there are two others that are pretty much identical out there that were um five you know four to six acres that had been closed for years and so um who in the district is working on okay great so we've now
got this timeline that we know about but then there's you know if that's just the tip of the iceberg there's um many more properties that we should be looking at and so that we can run on Parallel tracks so it's not like we do three properties we wait 10 10 years we do three properties we do 10 years who is
exploring those properties for like to start this process up again for that next trunch our team is looking at about 52 properties that that we're uh evaluating we did the initial 52 and we called it down to nine and we're going back and looking at those other 5 the
remaining 43 properties to see what how viable they are and is that list or is that something in an upcoming committee meeting we could present on the 52 I I'd like to go through the list and sort of get the best of the best again or maybe that next you if we've done nine maybe the next nine or something
that the committee can engage on but that's great I appreciate that there are 50 I think that was the first time I heard that number that there's that many at least we evaluated 52 properties get to first n and we'll go back and reevaluate the remainders um and then how is the district engaging with city
and county efforts to coordinate available resources and funding streams and this might if this if we need to put a pin in this but I know since we've been more public in the last few months about this effort a lot of folks at uh Lassa or at the you know counterparts in City and County government are saying
okay great this I now that Al UniFi is doing this we might have money for housing there's local cities that we've actually engaged with I know you've been on those calls that are interested in potentially purchasing District land so what is our engagement is it run through Martha Alvarez's office or are you guys doing that or is the consultant doing that to engage on potential funding the
consultant will be doing that as part of their engagement okay and then finally are we um Eng or will the consultant be engaging the utla housing task force has part of that work yet to be decided yet to be decided yep okay so what is the
purpose on of the UTA housing task force what is the purpose yeah we get constant feedback from utla on what they would like to see in our housing program they they've actually we've just had a meeting with them a month ago and we have another meeting coming up with them and we left them with food they thought we went over the survey with them we
went over the nine locations with them and we had those discussions with them and they're formulating their opinion in their where they okay well it's definely my hope that when the consultant was hired they do engage with the task force because I you know I I want to make sure that I think there are there's good Community momentum for this effort and I
want to make sure that we're not um uh working in silos or just frustrating efforts of our partners and and we've heard and to be transparent we've heard some frustration that there these meetings they're not going anywhere they're excited that there's this District initiative but just making sure we're aligning so that we connect that we connect y got um any other questions
or comments from the committee uh Miss Ortiz Franklin hi thanks um I know that other school districts are really interested um in the work that we have done and the work that we are doing I just wonder if we can somehow like take note of
learnings along the way that we could share with other districts I know there's um a couple of bills right now to try to make the process easier for other districts to build on their own properties um but you know just to use this as an opportunity to share our best practices or lesson learns like as we're
going through through rather than um you know wait until the end and do an autopsy um so just maybe a request for the team to to capture some of those learnings um we will do that and we have been talking to other districts because they think we're further ahead than they are and I've been speaking to some of
the other directors of real estate and other districts about how how we've done the survey and we've done other things to progress this great thank you uh yeah Miss hendy newbill and then Mr Newton I just wanted clarification with the three housing project projects uh
Christine you shared what was a time frame in that development from beginning to end I'm looking at Mark um to see if he remembers off the top of his head but I think they were about eight years from the time that the board approved them to
the time by which they actually were opian to occupants and some of the reasons for why it takes so long um is one there was um for those uh develop V ments the district made their land
available and there was no other Capital provided by the district we partnered with nonprofit housing developers who had to go and obtain their sources of funds in order to develop that property so one obtaining those funds um and that is a dynamic process took time um so
cobbling together the different kind of sources of equity by which they could then propose those projects and then through during the planning process I know at least two of of them had sought zoning exemptions that's also a lengthy time to get those um one of them did not
get the zoning exemptions that they hoped for they had to go back do a redesign with a lower density project um and that took time as well and then obviously the bidding and construction and then uh start up to operations so yes it was um a lengthy process Mark did
you want to add anything NOP that's you got the timing right so and that was for the three or the total of four of the because you mentioned three that were housing projects for district preference and then one that was open for General they were about the same for each the first one that we did for
General was the first time the district ever embarked on affordable housing um there had actually been uh legislation that allowed us to do that for the first time it was something that we had never done before um just figuring out if the district had the ability to even develop
housing and how we would structure that deal um how you know it worked both with Ed code and public Contracting code um so that one took a bit longer because there was a whole host of activities that we had to tea up just before we could even get to an RFP like I think at
some point we had to fly to Sacramento explain like why we were doing this with our property I think there was approvals that we needed from the state in order to do that um so there was a lot of a steep learning curve for the district the other three we kind of then replicated learning what we did from the
first one and were able to to add that District preference which is something that we didn't have um in the first one so less time than the first one probably even took longer but then again it was from scratch we had never done it before got it got it and then you said total
for all those units it's 100 units is that correct no it's it's more than 100 units I don't have the exact number but I'll get it for you okay thanks I think we can agree though miss any but it takes far too long um one of the things in a few minutes we're going to talk about the rebuilding process for the Palisades I think is everyone's talking
about the crisis that is the Palisades and the eaten fires like we have a crisis of affordability of housing in this city in this region and we should be Expediting these and so eight years from the board approval to that like we haven't even approved these are right that's one of the reasons I've been
pushing this for a while um and I don't know that we've had the the requisite Champions on the board and I'm glad that we have it now I'll say things take too long Christine and I have this debate all the time but what I'll say in defense of District staff is in 2020 um then superintendent Butner brought a
proposal to the board to start looking at some of these properties and the board rejected it um and so that set us back sign in my mind significantly um because we could have already started this whole process uh and it was voted down at a board meeting and never came back until we we've revived it in the
last few years so thanks for asking the question but our hope is to you know we'll get an update on the contract for the consultant and then we'll get those rfps out and hopefully by the summer that's what the timeline is the summer is when the rfps will go out for those properties we'll have developers selected and then we can work on that
next trunch of properties but it is unfortunate because we also had this I I should just you know I'm sure you can read between the lines but I voted to move this forward in 2020 I was outvoted um Mr Newton yes uh based on this
timeline would we be um looking at pre-engineered buildings is there any opportunity for that we're looking at all the opportunities that we can uh shorten the time frame here and that's one of the things Consultants are going to come on board and give us their analysis of the property and what could
be accommodated how could we do it as fast as possible yeah and one of the things Steve I'd like your expertise too when we have this consultant so the district's not planning to build this ourselves as we did in the first trunch the district will find a developer to build it and we want to make sure that the RFP is structured in a way that
doesn't limit or isn't like you know um up to date when it comes to building uh materials and building uh the the vehicles which which um housing can be developed so we're not going to be building it but yeah our hope would be that any anything that's available and
legal and quick and safe will be um will be explored so when that when the consultant crafts those rfps this committee will look at it and Steve we can get your expertise too to make sure that the RFP is structured in such a way that it it doesn't uh limit what we're
able to do good to um great thank you Mr borison I appreciate it and we'll have our next meeting like you said we'll be able to um review the the contract for that um consultant M I just wanted to add uh it was a total of 185 units that
we developed in the three um developments that had District preference for employees great thank you so our next our next agenda item um which uh you know is really one of the big drivers of this committee's work is the comprehensive analysis of Al unified
construction projects and our comparative study uh because one of the things that we've been trying to explore in this committee is where we're an outlier we understand that we exist in an ecosystem that has both federal state and local Contracting standards uh division of State Architects the field
act Regional labor market but when we compare it other districts uh that are exist within that same ecosystem you know Pasadena unified Santa Monica unified Beverly Hills unified Culver City Unified Compton Unified those uh variables are the same they have the same state regulations and we want to
know are we an outlier and we uh I appreciate that the district went out um to find a firm to do this um I am disappointed that while we thought today's committee we were going to have the the board was going to have the full report back it's been delayed so I appreciate miss chambers's work on this she's going to share a little bit about
the project oh no there's nothing to Del there right because it's not right it's you know but what I'll say is what I did want to make sure the committee had knowing and this is not miss chamber's fault she's not the I wanted to make sure that the committee was aware of what has been asked so what you have in
your materials I think you were both sent the RFP yes they have the RFP as well as the proposal submitted by the vendor that was ultimately awarded the contract so I don't know if you had a chance to look at it I encourage you to do so but one the we want to start providing more rfps so you know what the
district is asking for so that when we say we're asking for a comparative study and those of you who have more expertise than I do can look at just like what I was talking to with Mr nun we're making sure that we are crafting rfps correctly such that we have the broad us net and then also you have the winning bid which
the board approved a few months ago MGT of what their proposal is um and uh they were supposed to finish it by now they have not um but I wanted to make sure that you all were aware of what's coming I know some of these um some of the work has been completed but the comparative
study has not so I guess I'll just ask I have some questions for the uh for staff about this but I'll open up to the committee if there are questions or comments knowing that we we obviously don't have a report but we have the proposal to do the report um so I'll pause if folks
have commentary and I will just say that you know a lot of work has been underway um as you can imagine like one project for a particular project has hundreds of pages of information and so we sent over information on about 24 different
projects so it was a lot to digest um they're getting close to being done and um we should be back April 22nd the vendor will be back to provide a an update and a presentation on the key findings I'll wait for if other folks have questions too is there any
accountability for the delayed timeline or I have not like in the RFP I didn't see anything like if you don't deliver on time we get a reduced rate or they do like what's the right that was not included in there um yeah at this point we're we're working with them you know we can say a
a joint uh fault for why it's late um but it's just one of those things that's taking longer than originally anticipated primarily because of the competitive piece competitive piece the pure analysis piece which is kind of the Crux and most important part um of the
overall study so we're working through it and one of the things I see in The Proposal is a commitment to engaging stakeholders as part of this and I don't know if this committee has an opportunity to engage our thinking or how what is the stakeholder engagement portion looking like well the original it started off with stakeholder
engagement with several meetings with um primarily staff within the district to kind of talk about projects and they got perspective from various offices um across the board so that was kind of initially in their development work to start with so stakeholder engagement was
just District staff engagement yes um yes Miss Greenspan um I was reading it and it I I don't know exactly what project meant like is there a scope of what a project would me mean so the partic do you want I see you
miss toes go for it you were just moving the mic so I keep talking so projects it would just be like let's say an HVAC upgrade at a particular school so those are projects so I just like is the project going to be more or less than
the 200,000 they're like for each project they're they're going to charge no no so for the overall study Al together study and the final report that's going to be shared and then they're going to come here and present that's what's included in the amount of
money that we're paying okay was a little so it's for them to come in and analyze various projects facilities projects within the district right and then kind of compare that to comparable projects and other entities and then kind of do an analysis of our
data analysis of their data and then come forward with with findings and opportunity areas I think in just layman's terms green SP what we're what was it presented to the the board what we had asked for and that what this was responsive to is like you take a discret example we're going to be talking about painting this meeting but uh soccer
football field at a school and you say you know to redo their track and field at recce of high school costs eight $12 million and it Culver City High School was $7.5 Million same labor market same state law you know or maybe it goes the other way maybe we're you know coming in
under why and where are our allers and and then tell us how to what we can change under our hospices to make it better and so yeah I wasn't sure like every project some of the pro I was trying to understand kind of the scope of the of this report right so the scope
was really looking at some of our projects and then comparing them to other comperable projects so we might take um a roof replacement we might take an HVAC you know um upgrade or modernization we might take seismic uh upgrades and so they'll look at a few of
those projects within the district and then look at comparable ones outside of the district and then kind of compare to see I guess I'm just like are they looking at 25% of the projects or like 10% like I'm just oh on a percentage basis so I know within um some projects that are under 500,000 500 to a million
a million to 10 million I'm just right have those projects been identifi given that my understanding is that that what we're waiting on and their delay is that they've reached out to peer districts including some that are I'm looking on page 15 of The Proposal s Diego Long Beach Orange County Fresno and then some
that are outside of California New York Chicago Miami we're waiting on that data so to miss Greenspan's question are we asking them for like every facility project the last 20 years we right so they' they've been specific about particular projects at particular places so it I would just like to if if you
know to kind of get a range of right because if they're only looking at all project no so in the in the report you'll be able to see exactly what projects they looked at come on Dana if you want to share hi good afternoon I'm Dana Greer deputy chief procurement
officer and I help to do the solicitation so I could speak a little bit about the scope of work when we started to look at the list of projects we tied it down to a particular period in time and I think there was some thoughtful consideration about projects that weren't going to be unique to LAUSD
so the firm MGT looked at our complete list of projects and tried to pull out a sample that they thought would be representative of something that could be compared so it's just a small sample but they were thoughtful about that um just considering that some of it was
pretty unique so just wanted to help with that but in the actual report it will tell you what projects were looked at okay it just someone random picked you know it's like it wasn't it wasn't random there was there was thoughtfulness right so we didn't want to pick something where we have nothing
to compare to so kind of comparable things right so a a gym of upgrade a HVAC a roof replacement like things that are common across districts not like one-offs no yeah I understand I'm just saying people can pick what they want to pick I guess you know what I'm saying a
vers if you there should be maybe some um criteria for why things are picked for like if there's two gyms why they picked one not the other you know did they pick the more expensive one did they pick the less expensive one you
know so got it I think we can ask them in their out to um break down their rationale yeah just so it's not so it's so it's quantitative not qualitative got it okay great other um and icage I know for
some of you who maybe reviewing it today take a look at take a look at it when you get a chance and then hopefully in April like Miss Chambers was saying we'll have um the actual presentation uh that's that's responsive to this uh proposal and I know there are various phases and some of them are already complete but the big one that the juicy
one that we're all interested in is this one and to miss Greenspan's question which is a great one it's like we want to make sure we're not kind of uh cooking the books if you will to say like oh yeah look this you know comes in under because we've chosen the ones that we you know already know we're under budget or for some like we uh and that
would have been a great question to ask on the front end too um it put you know and one of the things we want to do with being more transparent about rfps and then the proposals to rfps which is something our office has been asking more about is to those questions on the front end before we get a scope before we get a product that is um that is not
responsive to what we're looking for so it might not be on purpose completely that it's just without criter meth thank you uh wired in a certain way yeah uh okay so I will um we'll move on to our
uh third topic which is the fire rebuild thank you Miss Chambers and um I'm going to turn it over to miss toes to hear an update from facilities regarding the current status of schools F the January wildfires um and uh it's part of a series of community and public
conversations that we're having about the potential plans that will be going to the bond oversight committee and then to the board in coming months like I mentioned we have a meeting with the Palisades Elementary Community tonight we had one with Marquez yesterday we have ones with the p the greater P Community we had one on Friday with P
High although a charter school we uh is on District property and so we are um taking ownership over that rebuild uh and I just want to say um you know despite all the pressure we put on the district for doing things faster and quicker getting the schools relocated as I've said many times at this committee
as quickly as we did was really incredible and Miss toes your team in the district deserves a lot of Kudos when I was talking to Colonel saucer who was the uh kind of commander in charge of the Palisades rebuild for the Army Corp of Engineers I guess it was only yesterday at the Marquez meeting that he realized that we had relocated the
schools within 8 days and he was just like flabbergasted uh and said something along lines of in his line of work like that's an incredible relocation for an emergency school and so I you know despite the fact that we has this committee is charged with doing is trying to do more and faster and cheaper
I just want to give credit where it's due and the Army was very impressed with the work of the district in that 8-day relocation which remains um remarkable so with that I'll turn it over to miss toes great thank you so much for the kind words uh wanted to provide with you an overview of the overall District's
response to the fires as many of you know we had distri districtwide issues around air quality we had schools that were in evacuation zones and then we actually had campuses that were destroyed by the fire so I'm going to walk you through what the district's response for those were and then also
Focus specifically on the three campuses that were um damaged by the fire I do want to reiterate uh the district is committed to rebuilding these three fire damaged Palisade campuses I'll be talking in more detail but again um just
a very very um quick thank you to not only my facilities team but really all of the teams throughout the district that supported um the quick efforts to bring students back to school it was really great to see um so many different
functions working so quickly to provide relief to our students staff and families so let me Focus specifically on um Palisades es and Marquez es so we had um relocated approximately 750 students
and staff from these two schools within essentially 3 days we had Palisades es relocated to Brentwood science magnet Marquez es to stere elementary school um we deployed as I was saying various Crews from movers to it I probably um
talked to Matt fredman um every other hour about how we could quickly procure Furniture rugs um supplies that were needed um and we were a re able to reopen these schools in the their entirety so we didn't have to spread them around multiple campuses so if you
attended Palisades es you could now be at Brentwood science magnet with all of your um families children's and teachers in one collocation and also marz to St also intact um at that
location and then to talk about we had seven schools in the evacuation zon so these were CL schools that were closed we had to very quickly reopen them um once it was determined that the evacuations were lifted um we did a lot of work at these campuses to ensure that
they're safe and continued to do work um after they were reopened as health and safety uh concerns continued and we wanted to be responsive to those so before we reopened these seven schools we inspected all of them we conducted Environmental Testing we completed
comprehensive interior and exterior cleaning we replaced all of the HVAC filters and we also added air purifiers in all of the classrooms and common areas before we had students and staff return um there's also our office of environmental health and safety has some
ongoing um assessments that they're going to continue to do and also sharing all of the um due diligence that they did on these campuses is something that they're working on as well and then districtwide um though it seems like uh
a long time ago but we all remember that no matter where you were in La you had probably Smoke and Ashes falling on your house or your car so there was the recognition that air quality was really really bad um we were able to do in a record amount of time interior and
exterior cleaning to remove Ash and debris so that's really on window seals um at the thresholds of doors inspected all HVAC filters so we have over 100,000 um HVAC filters they were visually inspected did and all the ones
that required to be replaced were replaced we installed air purifiers in classrooms at 240 schools near the fire zones also to address that air quality issue we were able to reopen schools on Monday January 13th we had Crews working
um pretty much around the clock for four days um doing all of this work again a all hands- on Deck effort and so proud of the hard work of our um labor force who were able to get that done by Monday so let me talk specifically about
the recovery and rebuild for Palisades Charter High School Palisades Elementary and Marquez I'm going to walk through each of those schools know that we are in the process of working with these communities to solicit their input so what you're seeing is our preliminary plans that's going to be refined over a
series of meetings with them so we have essentially a phasing plan at all three of these schools the first one is what's happening right now or in some schools have already been completed which which is to remove that debris fire debris that's being done by the US Army Corps
of engineer as well as the EPA we've completed that at Marquez Elementary School and Palisades High School those sites are now clear fire debris and at Palisades elementary school they're starting that the today or tomorrow they should be done within two weeks so just
really fantastic work by the Army Corps they did prioritize our school sites recognizing that schools are kind of the cornerstones to Bringing communities back so we appreciate the prioritization of that next one that is also underway we have a lot of parallel tracks
happening is the cleanup repairs and the installation of Portable Buildings so we know besides just removing the fire debris we also have to assess all the infrastructure on those School sites and some of the buildings that remain so we're doing that as assessments now
they're both environmental assessments their infrastructure assessments structural assessments um and campus-wide infrastructure building system assessments once those are done we'll know what repairs are needed so for example at pal High School this is small
but the irrigation systems across the district across that campus melted right so that's an example of an infrastructure that we're going to need to replace um we're also looking at as we discuss with our communities a uh interim campus so that would be creating
a essentially interim campus with portable facilities that would be in place until the permanent rebuild is there would allow these communities to come back when we've all determined it's safe for them to do that we know that there's extenuating kind of um factors that need to be considered this is not
just a facilities driven um Factor as the only one but we want to make sure that when it is um prudent for our students and staff to return that there is a campus waiting for them to return too so that is something that we're also reviewing in our community meetings and
then we have the design and construction of a permanent school facility we do this all the time at our campuses where we have an interim campus or interim Village while we design and plan for the permanent one as well so let me get into the details um Community engagement is
something that we know is so important especially with um the tremendous responsibility of really building back two schools for generations to come Marquez as I'll get into more detail was a complete loss to the district that school has been in that Community for
Generations we now have um the opportunity to reimagine what that school will be like for generations to come also we take that with a lot of responsibility um and want to make sure that it is a meaningful um and wellth
thought of solution so we're going to have um a series of town hall meetings um for the interim campus that is a quicker engagement um we want to make sure that folks understand that schools are safe to go back to too so there's a lot of environmental assessments that
need to be done not only of our site but the impacts of the site surrounding our schools um and then we also want to talk to them about where the location of those Portables will be how that school would operate and then before they return obviously give them a chance to come visit that inter room campus and
take a look at it so this is um over the course of 20125 if we need to go into 2026 27 happy to do that we're going to be with this community on engagement for a while the permanent reconstruction
again this is um the very um I want to say um heavy responsibility of actually getting to design new schools for these communities that one the process is doing both the project planning the design um and then the construction
again we have this robust uh engagement plan that we have built over the last two decades of working with schools on not only imagining new schools but uh rebuilding and reconstructing existing campuses so let me talk a little bit about the details of each of these sites
Marquez um had an enrollment of 312 students at the start of this year um it's a very large site what we would consider large at La USD at almost 8 Acres it's tiered on a hillside with
really incredible views that one is deemed a total loss they had 37 um classrooms rooms Food Service admin Auditorium playground and staff parking um again we would be looking to rebuild this campus um we would be
providing the facilities that we would expect in elementary school um to have and open to looking at what other considerations this campus may need so specialty classroom Food Service multi-purpose room administrative and
landscape and Hardscape areas and then also looking at where that in room can campus could be um in terms of a timeline and you'll see this timeline is similar for both of these elementary schools the fire debris com removal is complete um we will have
the results of the Assessments in order to inform when we could reopen the interim campus at this site by May we'll inform the community then um what the status is of that infrastructure and the repairs needed um we're also looking that we would be ready to have the
portable classrooms in place by 2025 again we'll be able to finalize that when we have the assessments done in May um and then a completion of a permanent campus our average timeline if we were to um look at Expediting things is
approximately four years we are sharpening pencils understanding that looking at that any way to reduce that timeline um is needs to be our highest Focus so this is just an example example of how when we look at where we can plan
or how you have essentially an interim campus and a permanent campus we have to look at a planning perspective of essentially putting one-on-one spot of the campus so we could do construction on the other side of the campus so we're always planning with not just one in mind but both in mind so for example
this is Marquez um essentially what this diagram shows is you could have an interim campus on what's lower portion and then develop a permanent campus on the upper portion or vice versa there's a host of site considerations that we
need to take a look at views from the neighbors traffic drop offs soils issues um and then just how a program would lay out how much space is needed so let me talk about Palisades um Elementary School this one had approximately 450
students at the start of the school year this is a smaller site at 4 Acres this one is um all flat they had uh two buildings that were not damaged in the fire there is a really
Charming historic um classroom building that has the admin and about eight classrooms um it's the one on the photo that has the Spanish tile unfortunately its twin did burn down and then you'll see there's a food service building um
that wasn't um damaged by the fires we still have to do assessments we know anything close to a fire probably has um some amount of Ash or debris that has gotten into the building systems and we have to check for that um also make sure that there's structural Integrity given
to the proximity of the fires so again a commitment to rebuild uh Palisades Elementary School same timeline as Marquez um the only difference between Palisades Elementary School and Marquez is that we already have capacity
at Palisades because we have two buildings that weren't destroyed by the fire so we have to build back less at Palisades than we do at Marquez um this shows you kind of the areas um a tighter site and when we look at how we could identify zones to build
back a permanent facility while we also have kids in an interim facility the two green areas are the burned areas where we would look to potentially put a permanent facility the Blue Area contiguous area where we could put the interim campus again all of that would
be shared with the community as we develop these plants so the last one is Palisades High School Palisades is an independent Charter High School um they had the least damage of um the three schools 30% of their total classrooms
were damaged you can see in the aerial photo it's pretty much the area that was by the baseball fields as well as damage around the Synthetic Turf track um we are doing that assessment now essentially what we're capturing is 21
classrooms that were destroyed by the fire administrative support space synthetic track and field storage facilities and then a lot of the landscape areas and trees so same proposal to provide
interim classrooms at this campus while we do a permanent replacement Palisades High School currently is is teaching um virtually they have um or in the process of negotiating lease with the intent to bring students back as soon as they can
in a very interim lease site um we're hoping and pushing very aggressively to also have our interim uh classroom facilities opened in 2025 by May we'll know whether we can make that in August September um and again working very
aggressively to negotiate and execute contracts to get that done by August in terms of the timeline this one is about I want to say three weeks to a month ahead of the other two this was prioritized because students um did not have another school to come back to it
has approximately 3,000 students um so that's just very challenging to find sites where you could locate 3,000 students so we're looking at the facility debris removal that's been completed the assessments are underway we will have those results um in early
May we'll be able then to inform form folks whether we will be able to make that August date a lot of that will depend on the amount of repairs to the sitewide infrastructure and how long it will take to make those repairs so this one same Zone you'll see
more details on where the portable classrooms are looked to be planned for this again we always have to balance where with the interim uh classrooms Go versus the proposed Redevelopment this is located at the baseball field there
has been some concerns raised by um parents at Palisades High School because of that you'll just see it's a challenge when you're looking at putting in around 25 classrooms it's a large amount of space there are codes around how um the space you need to keep between
classrooms you'll see that kind of gray zone is the fire Tru access needed whenever you put down classrooms you have to kind of contemplate that so again when you look at this campus and that given we're going to need to um replace and we do the football and
soccer fields it was really the only option if we're going to develop a permanent building replacement at this campus so the next step for these three projects um because we are planning on frontf funding these projects with bond
funds we know that we're going to ex um see some FEMA reimbursement as well as insurance reimbursement but those are funds that are going to come later um we are planning to go to the bond oversight committee and the Board of Education in the spring with a proposal for the three
real rebuild projects um the site assessments will be done in May where we'll be able to give specific dates as when to we'll be able to reopen in 2025 and then we're going to continue the community engagement process which we just started this week with a series of
first meetings that will only continue um for the duration of these projects any questions thank you Miss toes that's a lot and we appreciate the work your team is doing um I will start with questions
from my colleagues on the committee uh Miss Ortiz Franklin uh thanks I just have one um appreciate the team for all the efforts I know it's a herculan effort um on the funding for the rebuilds I've heard both
that measure us will be used for these schools and also that it won't be because will be seeking state or federal funding I don't know if we have an answer on that yet but I'm curious if we do sure so uh definitely measure us will be utilized what we don't know is the
exact amount of the FEMA funds and the insurance funds that we'll be receiving um but I don't want to say that they will not cover 100% of the costs of these projects um we know that there are
certain elements that FEMA covers 100% % of and then that there are other elements that they'll cover 50 to 60% of so for example anything that is to address the health and safety directly after the emergency so like cleaning the
debris or doing the asbest removal the lead removal um that is supposed to be 100% covered by FEMA again the devil is in the details because there is a very um detailed process by which they basically confirm and review all of our
contracts they have to follow certain requirements um and then you negotiate back and forth hopefully with the idea that you would get 100% reimbursement when it comes to the permanent rebuild they do approximately 50 to 60% Devil's
in the details too of if you are replacing let's say Portables with a permanent structure are they going to give you just the value of the Portables or are they going to give you the value of now the permanent we wouldn't want to rebuild only in Portables there is
additional kind of incentives you can make if you're building back something that is uh more resilient so we would consider a permanent classroom building to be more resilient than a portable because of its HVAC systems um the code
requirements for it the um stability of that structure long-term maintenance so it is a complicated process I'll just give you as an example um we did a apply for FEMA funds for covid we are still
getting those reimbursements 5 years later and that is typical that is just it's a lengthy process to go through making FEMA applications working with the feds um them reviewing all the documents and getting back to it so Tanya just know we are frontf funding um
with our bond dollars we will be working through the remaining years on collecting both the insurance funds and the FEMA funds and whatever other funding is available um there are other state um funds available as well um but we know that none of these funds are
applying given to us upfront to spend down we have to spend the money and then seek reimbursement okay that makes a lot of sense that's main only question sure can I just have some quick follow-ups thank you Mr ores Franklin for the question one is um former President Biden
mentioned 100% reimbursable emergency expenses for the first 180 days is that distinct from the FEMA reimbursement and is there anything that when it comes to like the re um relocation of the two schools or supplies for the new schools or any of
that that is covered through that or is that just was that just his commitment to be a FEMA yeah I don't know the answer to that um I it's probably someone else in the district who is working on kind of the first 180 days there were a lot of
expenses that did not pertain to facilities so so I know for example there was um requests made for all the food that we had to throw out at our schools that were closed um and how do we get reimbursed for you know the food that we had to toss out um that's just a
small detail but I do know that our um budget office has kept kind of accounts of that and is seeking you know as much reimbursable as the district is eligible for and then with Bond dollars is FEMA reimbursement like for like so I remember with Co cuz I was in Washington
and we were uh working on this and got at least half a billion I think a few years ago um that was mostly general fund dollars but is that so if we spend 100 million Bond dollars the FEMA reimbursement how does it work cuz like the bond program it then becomes general fund dollars or how does that work uh oh
no we spent 100 million out of the out of measure us yes and then we're going to get reimbursed 100 million or 80 million for FEMA but does that then go into the bond program or it does it does and then it's over so it's just like one in one out they're just they're
reimbursing the source of the funds right it's just um what I wanted to clarify is if we spend 100 million in bond funds we're not going to get a 100 million in FEMA funds so uh if we spend 100 million in bond funds to build the program as we determine is needed for
those School sites um we know a portion of that work will be 100% FEMA funded for addressing the immediate safety and repairs so some of the repairs to let's say the infrastructures the cleaning mitigation um that one is 100% but the
permanent rebuild that's the 50 to 60% and a lot of that depends on um how we negotiate with FEMA on what those costs are and then there are other requests we made of both the federal government and of the state for reimbursement so I assume we'd also if FEMA for example
only has 50% of the rebuild we would try to recoup those costs and then finally on this one when you say Insurance who is our insurer on in like this instance so our um office of risk management um is the lead on negotiating and handling
the insurance claim for the district um and they are working with our insurer McClaren to work through you know the details I know that they meet with them all the time they've been out on our sites when we do job walks um
they take the lead in determining kind of what the insurance coverage is and negotiating with our Insurance McLarens is our insurance I believe so um sorry okay thank you Mr Franklin I see Mr Newton and then we can go to in person yes uh the president signed Disaster
Recovery the day after the wildfires are we considering any disaster recovery purchasing through General Services Administration Federal contracts I mean there's thousands of GSA Mass contracts with access to millions of commercial products and services it's just so much
faster than the RFP process so are we consider considering that at all thanks for the question Steve um we're considering all options when we go through to purchase items um it's really the best opportunity for the district as
far as cost price quality all the above I can I ask Steve you or or maybe Mr Freedman just has a followup because this is new to me so because I know in talking to FEMA folks you have to go through certain rfps and like you know same with same with Insurance Underwriters but for FEMA you need to go through certain processes that can slow
it down but to to ensure your reimbursement Siver what you are you saying that there are GSA Contra pre-approved contracts that like if you purchase through them you don't have to do the RFP and their FEMA re absolutely absolutely and there's you know millions of commercial products and services that
are available through thousands of GSA contracts you know they're competitively bid the far represents it is of course competitively bid contracts there's really no process to it except for the fact that the president signed uh that
there was a disaster in our in our communities which gives us the opportunity to go ahead and purchase if you go on to the line and you actually um look at what school districts are um approved and so forth La USD comes right up and and really
there's no process to it except for uh making sure that your invoices are correct you know with the right disaster on there and also um you know you're able to go and start purchasing through the GSA Advantage the same day as it was signed by the
president it's an very easy process and it's they're still um uh you know if the if you believe that the prices are too high for some of the products they're still negotiable with each of the contract holders many of those contract
holders are in our u in our in our city and our you know very very close to where we are and so you know everything from uh pre-engineered buildings to replacement big pens it doesn't matter what it is there's just so many products and the opportunities are so great to do
that without having to go ahead and wait for the rfps great I know Mr Freedman wants to respond maybe as a little bit of background U the team here is having calls with Cal OES as well as FEMA every week so there's that kind of interaction and collaboration with the folks to make
sure that we're we're following the process to to be able to receive the female funding in the background thank you I'll note too I know the board authorized emergency delegation an emergency spending maybe 6 weeks ago after the fires and so I don't we have not seen um an updated list of
how that money's been spent so one of the things for my colleagues on the board we will ask for that at an upcoming board meeting which I think was in the resolution just to see how you know the accounting of everything which I know the district's been keeping track of of course but that just that reminds me in Steve's question and Mr freedman's
response that yes excuse me Matt have we ever used the disaster recovery uh process do you know are you referring to GSA yeah through GSA not that I'm aware of no oh I see
okay thank you thanks Mr Newton um Miss Greenspan I was gonna not talk about money I was gonna talk about something else great Flor is yours uh just curious about um and this
is not like enrollment in these schools coming up and are people going to come are people rebuilding in the past I just we were to spend all this money and make these schools and already I saw Marquez had enrollment had decreased by like 50%
in the last five years um I'm just is that are people talking about that is the community going to come back I I'm just curious are people rebuilding I don't know yeah I mean I'm happy to chime in to as a representative for the Palisades and when talk toes you know
daily on this and and the superintendent and so I think and you'll note too I mean Marquez is one that had over 500 students 1920 and and hit took a hit during covid and so the enrollment at both school both elementary schools preco was closer to a, uh about 700 um
right before the fires and and I know miss holdorf pohill my district director can talk to this as well as someone who lost her home and is planning to rebuild so one of the things we're doing is you know there's the short medium and long-term term for the two affected schools and then the broader Community engagement process that is was kind of
footnoted but is mentioned in these slides around um the timeline for the permanent rebuild and I don't think any District specific Town Halls have been scheduled yet but I know they're working on it to kind of get broader input on the rebuild um and one of the things we've asked for the District staff to do
is look at our demographers and look at um kind of single family zoning and how many students were there and what do they anticipate and what's the timeline and one of the commitments we've made to the schools in the at least for the next school year is a hold harmless in staff knowing that folks are displaced and they may come back and leave and I know
that was important to both School communities put your point what's going to happen in two or three years and are we building for a footprint of 350 students or 700 students and those are the questions that I've really insisted we engage the community on and also uh
demographers and the uh an alignment with other Community Partners you know as the city for example is thinking about rebuilding pal said Rex Center or Road widening or um they're looking at like what the infrastructure is look in the Palisades what are their assumptions if they're talking about more you know
up zoning and more density for affordable housing how does that affect us so that is why I think you know I've been really encouraging maybe more than encouraging but District staff to say in the next few weeks you got to have these conversations so then you know yes we made a commitment around the next year for these schools and then we'll do the
interim facilities and I have some questions about that but for the permanent what what Palisades are we rebuilding for um and I know there were some convers some questions we had last night at the Marquez Town Hall where yes they're happy for um hey hold Harless for the next year but what about in
three years and I think a conversation I hope our government relations department will have along with Pasadena is can there be a car vout at the state level understanding that our enrollment is going to fluctuate as folks are displaced or you know when the schools are built we're having this conversation Al also with P high like we might be
able to physically have kids back on the P High campus in AUST August but a lot of those families aren't going to be ready to go and then what we heard last night even at Marquez is some families were saying well in August if I could go back in the Palisades I want to they're already back at their homes in certain part um places as insurance money is
running out and others are saying it's going to be two or three years so that I think appreciate the question who green span because that is the conundrum that yes we can look tomorrow and say this is what we're doing but as we do this permanent rebuild and expend a lot of taxpayer money uh what future are we
building for cuz we're also and this is hard I know for even my current constituents to hear but we're building not just for the families of today many of whom if you look at this timeline even though we're going to have it um aren't going to be at those schools but we're building for the next 50 or 100
years for this community so I don't know what you want what else you want to add but um I was just going to add just from a very kind of large big picture Planning and Zoning we know that um all of the residential lots that are Zone residential are going to continue to be
residential lots right um we saw I think when we did our data analysis uh for the Marquez area looking at the states designation of how many homes were damaged um destroyed or slightly damaged in Palisades uh I'm sorry in Marquez it
was about uh less than 50% of the homes were destroyed so you have a lot of folks that are moving back into homes that were not um at the Palisades attendance boundary you had about 70% of the homes that were destroyed so I think
you know what we've learned kind of over just the last what it's been a little over two months is that it changes month to month right we couldn't even conceive that our properties were already going to be cleared and cleaned back a month ago right um in talking to the Army
Corps of engineer what they've shared is that what the sites look like now in these communities now are going to be very different come July and August when they expect to have a many of the properties already cleared and then we don't have um kind of a crystal ball to
say how long it's going to take to rebuild homes um we know in talking to our counterparts at education departments in Hawaii and um Paradise is that can go from two to three years to 10 years depending on you know the
property owners themselves I think from a facilities perspective we know that uh we're aware of what the trends in enrollment are um we know that uh people are going to build back homes or come back to the homes that they have um we
have heard antidotal that it is households that have more seniors living in them that may not opt to rebuild um and that it is families or folks who expect to have families who are continuing to say that they're going to
stay in the Palisades but again this is antidotal information I'm sure that we um every month learn something new I just want to say you guys did an amazing job in that week I'm very impressed thank you missy
newbell um so as we do this work I mean obviously it is like you said we don't have a crystal ball but looking at the rebuild as we think of permanent buildings and whether it's to our advantage back to the first presentation
that we had earlier today would be changing the scope of our build from what we do um um moving forward and not sure who would be able to do the work um as mentioned for those that would move back into the community and those that were living there whether there's some
statistical data to show that these are young families that would have children that would go to ele schools right because they're not senior schools as Palace says but these are elementary schools which require you know ages you know four five to 9 10 so um I'm not
sure if there there's someone that does that work to help us kind of look at that so that we don't build a permanent building that doesn't get the use that it could have considering to uh melo's point about using our tax dollars wisely
so I'm not sure if there's someone that can do that kind of work we do we have um our internal uh Master planning and demographics team they were able to pull you know how many of the residences in each attendance area were burned get the participation rates of the area look at
enrollment Trends over time um we are working with the state to see what data that they have as they are tracking kind of what the um where the properties are in terms of filing for permits to rebuild um looking
at you know percentage of properties that were damaged again we can't know everything we rely on other agencies that might have more information so that we can make the best informed decisions and again thank you for your work because I know this is um I mean no
one could foresee it and just what we did in a short amount of time I think you know I cannot say thank you and appreciative for the work and the team so thank you Miss heny nuell Miss
Ferman um I I want to Echo all of that like as a parent and as an educator like it it was incredible to see you all move these schools and these communities and bring them back together um at a time in which they needed it most um my question
has to do with something fire related but not about the rebuilding of these three schools um so I and I heard that at last night's town hall meeting with the Marquez family there was again conversation about the sensor system the air quality sensor system that LUSD has
in place and it has been in place um you know for a while now as a result of actually board member mvo 2019 right speaking up about sort of as we go through climate change and the the the quality of our air we've got to be careful we've got to be aware um and so
LUSD developed this air quality sensor system um you know it's called know your air Network um with these hundreds and hundreds of sensors throughout our our very large district and it was we in a partnership with the Coalition for clean air um and so and so you know as
somebody who was sitting without power for five days during fire week um you know hearing from friends and colleagues from across the district um people I I know who either teach or a t School in the East area and either teach or a t
School in the South area um were pretty alarmed at the choice to return staff and students to school um on the 8th of January and and as part of this like large network of parents
supporting teachers we had members who informed me about this air quality system and I went on it and I was able to grab two screenshots right um one is uh January 7th at 11:15 p.m. just to
sort of help everybody understand what I'm looking at um right so at 11:15 p.m. um it was the East heading down to the South where the air quality the LUSD sensor system was saying hey the air quality is not great here and we knew that the eaten fire was burning out of
control right we all were listening to the news or looking at watch Duty or hearing from other our friends um and so we knew the fire wasn't contained and it was raging then on January 8th the LAUSD air quality sensor Network told us that
in the East all the way down to the South so we're talking about Dr Rivas Miss Grio um Miss Ortiz Franklin's um board districts the air quality system was telling us at 5:30 a.m. on January 8th that the air quality was uh
unhealthy and hazardous right and very unhealthy so it was brown purple and red dots all the way from the East to the South um and so I guess and I realize that you're not in charge of monitoring
the air quality system but but I know that the oehs right are the folks who are the ones monit ing that I guess I guess what I am curious to know and I don't know if you or maybe other folks here on on the dis can speak to this um you know who was monitoring Those
sensors um who was advising the superintendent about like sending students and staff out to the East and the South um on January 8th you know if we're looking at The District's own system which may not be as sophisticated
as we all want it to be but is sophisticated enough to tell us it was toxic like how did all that go down how did we decide that it was okay to send people to school with that air can you
anybody up here help me understand that better um so I will not pretend to be the office of environmental health and safety um and they wouldn't want me to because it's not my expertise so I will just speak in in general terms um I know
that there was a lot of information that was gathered both from The District's air quality as well as our agency counterparts right so we're working with AQMD the city of La other agencies to look at kind of what was happening
across the district um so I know that the superintendent in light of what happened with this fire where we just saw multiple fires um basically impacting the entire La Basin right I think that was new for us right we were
used to a fire in Pasadena impacting certain areas or maybe a fire coming from the valley but to have multiple fires right and try to figure out what the air quality um uh impacts were and forecast those um we realized that we
needed to do a better job um as part of the kind of post disaster um uh assessment the district is investing in more air quality monitors um across the district so that we do not have to rely on maybe um what
we considered inefficient data or late data so that we could make decisions on our own with the best data available that we didn't have at the time of the fires so I don't have an exact specific thing but I think that was a um lesson
learn that came out of this because there was just it was an unprecedented Regional event uh and where we typically would have certain bases by which to make decision there was just not those um but no that I
think the superintendent announced and uh board member mvo also was there in attendance the infrastructure Investments that were doing to put in new air quality monitors make sure that we can make have the data to make informed decisions very
quickly I'll say two because I don't know I think um and I don't want you to have to speak speak for Mr Torres either who's probably I think at um our next town hall maybe already but I think that was a question that Miss fefferman had flagged in the last few days I think maybe at our next meeting we'll have
Carlos Tes there because I think what you said is also what I've been hearing the superintendent say which is an acknowledgement of the need to do better uh with upgraded infrastructure at the same time I think to miss Fan's Point what she's saying and I don't want to put words in your mouth Nico put it like you had a system even if it was imperfect that said danger or you know
that the air quality is poor and so what decisions went into that process and how would we do an after action plan and and maybe commit to do better and so that's something that is not miss Toes or Mr fredman we don't have a representative some committees or sometimes we'll have someone kind of representing the superintendent Mr torren or someone but
we can ask for a followup uh either in writing or to that committee both about what we're doing going forward which is what Miss toes was alluding to but also just a little more accountability there because I know that that's something that was was discussed yeah I and I appreciate you sort of you know offering
something but yeah I would I I think it would be really great to have the oehs here I would love to speak with Mr Torres about it I'd like to understand better how that decision was made who knew what when because it didn't I mean our censor system that we've been using
for I don't know how many years now four or five years was saying to us it was screaming at us and I just it would be good to know who who made the wrong call right and who put people in danger because um it's not the issue here isn't the sophistication of the system the
issue is is that we ignored the system right and I know people who you know dragged themselves to school and when they got there when they were driving there they were like this is this is actually not safe I'm driving into danger and then and then having the
schools shut down right in that day that was pure chaos um and we had people you know elderly people in line to get their children from those East areas schools um because they had to go through the reunion process right who were breathing
in that toxic air so yeah I would I would love for us to talk more about this I just wonder um just another control measure like how many days of the year is this know your air not good right like that day was bad but how many
other days are not good you we're not looking at it every day yeah let's let's have a whole conversation about that have if if there was uh protocols in place that we shut down at this amount then we wouldn't have
this problem you know so right I I but again I know everybody is saying this is unprecedented but like yes it was unprecedented and just looking out my window I could see it was not safe right and I live in the valley I live in North Hollywood as I was driving home from
Cleveland High School picking up my son and his friend to drive them home I was it went from daytime to nighttime right but it's hard to say 800 people shouldn't stay home but if you have a level like at a 100 we shouldn't go out sure and our system was saying it was
toxic outside it said hazardous right I just want to make it I feel like I'm like we're talking a little bit in circles like yes and we can also use the data we have and our own senses and intelligence to make a decision and it felt like something broke down and I'd
like to hear more about that which I think is fair I think and I think we should include Miss Greenspan's commentary too I mean my understanding and again now it's been a few months and we've been focused on the rebuild but there was based on the fires a few years ago we had 300 schools closed I mean I think many of them in my district back
in 2018 2019 and then that led to delegated authority of the superintendent I think it was 300 aqi which is your standard uh and anything over that the superintendent has discretion to Clos schools which of course especially postco is the decision that should be made with Incredible
sensitivity um and yet it you know what I hear Miss Ferman saying is if if that threshold was met and schools weren't closed why and that that's a fair accounting and then also I think another factor that I know I was talking to parents about many of whom who chose to send their kids to school even in the
the days after is that air quality monitoring that we have at schools and Carlos Torres can talk about this and our filters and our m is better than home so when you're talking Mr Overman about the danger in the valley I think a lot of parents uh made the decision that you know with inclement weather schedules in place being in a classroom
with your 13 filter and your air purifier not everyone had them is safer than being home but I I think the question of what was the protocol is there one was it met if not why who's accountable and then do we need to improve it uh is something that we can talk through with Co Tes either in this
committee or a committee of the whole or a future board meeting and I know it's something that that folks have requested yeah I mean I I just want to understand why the district's own sensor system was entirely ignored yep understood um other
questions comments on this my my one I think most of them were actually addressed by by my colleagues on the committee I think it would be helpful Christina I know we're not going to get it done for the Palisades Elementary tonight um I think when we saw consternation last year last year last
night from parents around the four to five year rebuild um and I think your answers uh which I've heard before are persuasive in that some of this is in our control some of this is not the stuff that's in our control hopefully with this MGT study and others we're going to fix but it could be helpful to actually have a timeline that shows uh
you know few months to do the Comm or few weeks to do the community engagement that we were just talking about to miss Greenspan's plan then there's an RFP process that by law has to take six weeks then there's the um DSA division of State architect review which historically takes on average eight months because then there are those pinpoints where we can say to parents we
commit to doing this in half the time if you Advocate with us we can get the governor to commit to a DSA like but I think it would be very helpful because four to five years you know when those parents were were frustrated I was joining them but to be able to break it down and then say this is where the district can shave this is where we
could use your advocacy to shave as well great okay thank you I know we I'll hear this again in a few hours so our our final um our final uh presentation I will admit is like more of an amorphous one there's not really a presentation there are some slides but it's been
something that I some of my colleagues have been engaging in and I wanted to really get like kind of socialize it for the committee and then get any initial feedback both those you who've been at school sites or folks who work in in this world and so um uh hoping to solicit feedback uh on really around
maintenance and operations and so the committee has seen presentations um regarding ml in the past including the review of An Inspector General audit of services that I encourage folks to take a look at um and as a reminder our maintenance and Operations Division is tached with providing safe clean and
well-maintained campuses and Office Buildings for students and staff we've in uh included here on this slide the mission statement and the vision statement um and one of the recommendations of the committee last from last year was to determine whether we have sufficient resources allocated
to m&o uh we've discussed that there's a statutory 3% Reserve that the district must maintain um as en enrollment declines that amount goes down just based on percentages but absent other intervention you know our needs don't really change which can lead
to under resourcing so that that's something that we talked a little bit about last year um and we can see I think on the next slide just a summary of services again just to set some of the context for kind of my question um so you can see the uh and I love some of these analogies when it comes to uh and
you can all read for yourselves but um the uh asphalt pavement the equivalents to four lane highways from LA to Vegas um olympic size swimming pool scope of ml um I think our next slide we have uh some uh summary of service calls
for a single year so I know it's hard to see up there but the committee has the hard copy but we've got 47,6 se4 service calls for just maintenance nearly as much and as many 46,000 for plumbing 35,000 for electricians Etc um and uh and then
finally on the last slide um for this uh I just provided here um an estimate for painting walls and reeing in a true room office area so that's where I want the committee to to look it's that kind of I guess it's the penultimate slide because we have a all call for our Inspector General survey
and we're going to hear from Miss Sangle uh briefly at the end um but one of the things that I've been trying to figure out and have been unsuccessful in so doing is how our services call work calls work and are budgeted and what type of work is done at what cost and to whom and so I raised this example with
the committee because it's also something that we've disc discuss when it comes to painting and I I'll concede to I know between uh the folks who are here today we might not have answers but I hope we can kind of compile questions and come back um and I apologize for just being on my soap box for a few but I chair Chairman's prerogative as I just
go through some of this a little bit but in this example that we have here uh you'll see a real it's a real estate estimate for a small paint job in this case a two office area think of like a print kind of a front office of a school um and this example raised a lot of questions for me and my team that we'd
like to ask and open the floor to questions for the committee on this so um and again like I said I know we might need some followup so one question I have and this convers this committee's been looking at specifications is um how specifications are determined and whether School sites have discretion and
uh veering from them so you know if we all if you have your home painted you typically would use maybe one coat of primer and then one or two coats of paint um and here the costs that schools and offices are getting are for two coats of Prim and two coats of paint and so I guess my question I'll put Miss
toes on the spot because I know Miss O'Brien's not here but is that our specification if a School site said we just want one primer because we don't have the money for this like who's making that determination is it state law is it our specification and how can it
change those are great questions and we'll make sure at our next meeting that we have we have someone who is an expert on paint specifications who can provide you with more detail um one of the things and for those of you who are are
in the construction business will know is um you know it really depends on where you're painting so I know Nick your example was specific to like painting the interior of an office building but when we have our paint specifications it could depend on is
this a brand new school and you're painting um new PL that has never been painted before are you at an existing school and you're painting over a concrete block wall are you at an existing school and you're painting over a wood structure are you painting on the inside are you painting on the inside of an office are you painting on the inside
of a hallway so just as we've all been probably amazed at when we just go to paint our own you know homes of like do you want gloss or semi gloss or three coats or what color um you can imagine that given the all the various types of structures we have whether it's new
existing inside or outside that specifications are very um detailed and it also depends on making sure that our paint products are safe for students to use we know in the past there were concerns around lead around off gasing around voc's in our paints so that's
another criteria that we use as well is what is the substructure and then what is the materials to ensure that they're safe for students um and then of course we have limited resources in m&o we can't have uh 100 different choices um
so that when things need to be repainted you know we have to go out and get specialty items so we try to kind of capture a uh menu um that we can have resources for so that we're not looking at um you know a variety of options and
to use a housing analogy if any of you have painted the house and then you want to repaint like one wall That's scuffed finding that original paint and making sure it matches it's just a nightmare unless you've carefully identified every single paint um so imagine doing that across over a thousand campuses with
over a thousand you know 50 to um 10 to 50 buildings in each of those so paint is a is a world unto itself happy to respond to your specific questions at April's meeting great and and we'll follow up and I think again I mean you and you mentioned the limited resources and that's the purpose and I know we
have folks who work at school site I mean the challenge is that these all you look at this just list that's up on the slide like these are I'm not as um presuming any poor intention or intentional price gouging I mean these are they're ever you know yes you could
we want kids to have not just the safest paint but like you know the safest safest paint and we want it not to last just 10 years but 100 years but schools have limited resources and so in instances like this when schools are like well we can't we're not going to paint at all because it's too expensive I'm just trying to understand what flexibility do we have and so when I saw
this and it says Prime um two coats paint two coats could we have prime one coat and paint one coat and does that save us half the time and half the money and then we could do more painting so those are the types of things we're trying to understand under you know within those resources constraints the
second question I have and again knowing we'll have follow-ups is this estimates if you look down at Labor uh 52 hours of work for an area that I'd guess is about 500 square feet and so I'm just curious and this is where the committee's expertise can help is this industry
standard do we build in a big buffer put 50 you know two painters at 26 hours each 52 hours just seems like really hard to Fathom I understand drying time is not incl included you have to come back but having someone paint for the you know equivalent of you know a work
week two like like just that small thing just it's very hard to understand how that happen so I guess what my second question would be is that an Indy standard amount of time are we calibrating to see how much that takes because if if we say no it only takes 12
hours to paint a 500 then then fine okay you can keep it at priming and painting but now you've just saved you know 70% of your cost the final one I have and then I promise I'll stop and this one I think is is one that I can't get an answer on so um finally there's a charge
for district benefits if you look here and I know this is esoteric but I actually think we got to kind of look at the tree to see the forest um it's my understanding that we use a system for M um across School sites uh and it the district office is called Maximo to calculate how much an office should be
charged so what happens is someone from M puts in a job and it comes up with their salary and their benefits great that's what not where we're here to to dispute these folks of course agree uh deserve their salary and their benefits but we have something that I guess is an outlier for public institutions that's
called recharging um as opposed to say you know we have a painter on staff and they're just you know they go from job to job and it's they're salaried we recharge these jobs and so here's what I don't understand um so it's called recharge so here's what I don't
understand if one division so in this case one division is paying almost $2,000 for the benefits of this employee for like three days of work okay so we obviously think it's to but three days of work and then let's say the the employees total benefits that they they deserve and they're bargained are about
$226,000 which is when I looked at like kind of our average benefits composite rate about $26,000 So based on that if this person worked about 13 days for two weeks of work they'd get to the their whole benefit allocation for the entire year
right we've charged dorsy we've charged Carpenter we've charged a board office there's $2,000 now they've worked for 13 days and now someone has paid $26,000 of their benefits after 13 days but then they go on for the other you know 200
days that they're working and they're also being charged for their benefits so somebody is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for this person's benefits where is that money going what are the assumptions that are built in and then and I say that again not
like I have not gotten an answer and so I don't expect to get it today and I know it there's but that is what why I kind of did this exercise right now to look at this because when I look at that and this is not just to be clear to say that these people don't deserve benefits it's just to say that based on this after 13 days of work this person's
benefits are paid off so when other schools are being charged this recharge rate where is that money going that is the question I think this committee needs an answer on um and with that I will end my little diet tribe turn it over to my committee members for any
comments or questions and again not to put folks here on the spot but I'd like to compile for a future meeting what we should find like what you know what are the questions that who who who who would be the answer person for the recharge so I uh it's a it's a great question I think there maybe that is a question
I'll ask from Miss toes is who when we're going to compile this answer for the future is it is it bud and CFO is it facilities Finance is it benefits like who because that is one of the challenges in my exploration is just folks aren't sure who answers
that um I know that our team is um looking into it uh and talking with other departments within um the district to get to the bottom of it yeah and and again the reason I mentioned this Maximo system is like for M's team not to put anyone on the spot they just say this is
the work and they put it in the system and then the system says this is your invoice so I'm trying to figure out who's the little Wizard of Oz behind the system figuring this out so that's what we'll there's facilities Finance there's CFO um um but that's that's a great question other questions or comments on
this yeah Miss hendy Nill so um just as we're going to return to this obviously with some answers for the April meeting but if possible when we talk about um product we're talking about paint like that's not included in here obviously
material oh so okay and that's for the one wall for the one room it's just it just it's 750 what does 750 cover does it cover and it's seven in parenthesis here I'm not sure if that seven is seven walls or s seven walls so this material
is to cover seven walls is that correct so that we know when we come back with the answers that kind of know whether you know you could only do one coat and keep the paint and how long does the paint last and where does the paint get
stored for the future of the job for the touch-up work um but to your point I wanted to knowe paint costs the exhaustion of the product do they use it all um for the seven walls and if you painted less walls would the cost be
less or it's just a maximum amount that you pay for the paint and the the painter and if that's just the cost that is just like a one size fitall like I know I need I'm
charged for seven walls but I only need one but you still get charged 31 even though you need one wall so wanted to know that answer and then obviously with the 52 hours I was uh I I
don't know I guess we get that paint expert to tell us how long the paint takes to dry and whether it takes 3 days to paint that one wall or it takes a whole week I don't know but if we could get that and then obviously you
know where does the materials get stored so that we're not wasting anything so that we are able to repurpose um paint I mean if you had a home you put the paint in garage and use the paint again whenever you Scuff the wall so whether those paints are kept at
the school site which I know at our school site we had a space for paint um but I'm not sure how that is districtwide and whether there are spaces storage for that on each campus um and then yeah the benefits thing that I don't know it's just one of those
questions I'm not sure who answers that but it would be great to know and then with the rekeying um I've always had this question of our school sites because I know often folks lose keys and I know I am so particular with the key working for the
district I almost killed my husband cuz I said did you leave my key in the car we don't leave keys in the car we don't leave no um because one night the car got stolen so I don't know how people are
expressing the importance of safekeeping of keys because it does cost money to re key and I understand that but whether or not that conversation is had at school sites because it's important if people take care of it if they know somebody just going to re key it and doesn't cost you
anything cuz when I came up I'm going to say that way um it's going to come out of your check if the school if you lose a key so I'm not sure if that practice is happening across the district and where individuals are charged for rekeying of a School site so but those
are my concerns thank you thanks for bringing up the the material charge that's one I hadn't thought of which is again when it comes to so you're saying at dorsy they would keep the paint but when it comes to different schools that they're you know again the home example you keep it in your garage which reminds me of a lot of paint in my garage but
well if someone already has it how does that reduced and all that and then the other question too is there are certain things and maybe we could just get a breakdown that like the plant manager or the building and grounds workers do that is included just in their salary so like
if they have paint at dorsy can they just do those touch-ups or do they have to call the job downtown and then get this recharge and so having the breakdown I just don't know I haven't spent enough reason time in a school site but that would be a question I have to but thank you for adding to these these questions and I'll note to I
just you know because I know I can be um pushy maybe is the word but I just I I want to appreciate Miss toes and her team because since inquiring about this they've been willing to you know obviously work with us and I think to the extent that there's a delay it's because they're rebuilding the palisad so I want to acknowledge that uh and
she's only human so thank you Christina for like just acknowledging that these since I've asked them these questions you're helping me find answers so uh yes Miss Greenspan um one thing paint does need to be stored correctly so it's not right and safely anyway um this is an
estimate this isn't a after the fact correct so I'm just curious like who sets the um the number of hours that something takes so who like is there somebody in
the district that sets like does one room in the district like a paint one paints it says 12 hours or does is there someone goes and estimates it like how does that how does that number come about so in this P specific not Pacific specific
example um this is work that is done by maintenance and operations in house so not to be confused with the work that we contract out to contractors so for a very small project our in-house maintenance and operation a project
Crews will come up with a basically a one-pager this is um the estimate based on doing a quick walkthrough of what we think we need um sometimes it goes a little under sometimes it goes over sometimes you know it depends on you know you actually start doing the paint
and you realize like oh we now the window frame is coming out not in this specific example because this is for um the interior of an office area but yes if it's a small project that's done by in-house maintenance and operation Crews we come up with a very quick estimate we
don't want to spend too much time doing an estimate on small work because that's time then that's charged to the project to do the estimate right so it's kind of you know it's what these folks do they're very knowledgeable about it um this is what they're experiencing and they kind of know what the time that it takes and they give the paint then they
give the painter this is how long it takes for you this is your time no the the folks actually doing the work are the ones who prepare the estimate okay so it just it's or a small I know everybody works hard but from my time on LAUSD campuses I don't often see folks like working fast
I feel it seems like a lot of times they're taking their time so um I I don't know how to like the person who's bidding it and gets to decide you know there's no ramification if they want it to be 15 hours or 40 hours right like is
there some type of um person coming behind them to like checks and checks and measures I guess so it's not being bid it's being done by the internal project crew um and those Crews have a supervisor and the supervisor has you
know a senior supervisor so when we look at like something as specific as paint then there you could have like the person doing the paint and then a senior uh paint supervisor who's ensuring that that work is done correctly and that those folks are finishing the job on
time and that senior paint supervisor reports to like an area supervisor and there's kind of Ki metrics on you know making sure that people are doing their jobs properly but I I also think it's like if you said you have to paint an office in
12 hours you know what you know then do you have the factor of you have to pay people I mean it's that question too I know we've talked about this committee with school sites like you know if you want to get projects done more expeditiously so the kids can be on a playground if you come in at night there are to that but what does that look like
um there was something else you mentioned that I thought was interesting uh oh and also the it would be helpful too to look at um some of these bids and calibrate to what was actually spent because one of the charge challenges with the contingencies or the overages
is it I think it deters work or someone says well okay I'm not I'm not going to do we've seen this with like our Greening projects or like I see it with the Board District Four Bond dollars which is the estimate maybe they have build contingencies but the estimates are so so high that we say okay I guess instead of doing you know a a 50 square
yard field we're going to do 25 uh and then if it were if it more more accurately bid for example or that we calibrated then we could have done that 50 and then because at that point and then you obviously the money even if you get it back um uh there's less of it to
go around in the bidding in the bidding phase um other questions or comments Miss fefferman I'm super excited to see who's responsible for the benefits I'm I'm interested to hear about the results of who's going to come
forward and say yeah we're in charge yeah as am I and I think and you know just the Cure again I think it's maybe there's an answer that makes sense there's a presumption that's built into the budgets but it's just unclear to me because it's again facilities are just doing this Maximo system and I think
there are certain things like the out the the length of a job that we need to look at and the materials cost but then someone else on the back end is figuring out where that money goes and it's not like this painter is getting $200,000 worth of benefits um there are other areas too just this is in the perview of
the committee although I guess maybe with procurement around transportation that is similar too when the superintendent and I were at inner city arts um a few months ago you know schools as you all know are charged Transportation cost for field trips during the day and if their contracted
routes or if they're overtime that makes sense but otherwise our bus drivers are on the clock all day and so in the middle of the school day if you're at dorsy and then you drop kids off and then you're taking kids to the Science Center or um you know whatever uh and then you're coming back in the middle of
the day that school is being charged $32,000 for a field trip where is that money going because those salaries are already paid unless so my assumption was that there's a presumption in the budget of X number of hours of field trips every year and that's Fund in the transportation budget but no one has
validated that and also what if one year you go under with field trips one with cap funding we're over so now like there are more field trips where's that money going and those are that's not in the purview of facilities I'll say but uh something that we're trying to to answer and I just appreciate the committee's um
feedback on this okay any other thing uh any other questions for our followup on on M and recharging um okay I'm going to turn to Mr McLean I think we have one public Speak oh you know actually before we do that because we have a slide here but because she's here I'm going to ask Miss
Sangle to come up um we have an annual risk assessment for our office of Inspector General the deadline is coming up if we could put that final slide up and then I'll have our Inspector General Miss Sue Sangle uh just briefly comment on that good afternoon and thank you for allowing me a moment um so yes I'm Sue
Sangle I'm the Inspector General for people listening who may not know we are the independent oversight body for the district and our mission is to prevent detect and deter fraud waste and abuse and we report directly to the Board of
Education um in that vein we report to the board every year um before the beginning of the fiscal year what our work plan is going to be for the upcoming fiscal year and we do that we we create our work plan based on a risk assessment and so part of our risk
assessment is um putting out a survey for anybody involved or um interested in the district to complete so we have provided a link and a QR code for anyone to please take our survey
um it's very important to our office and the more people who participate the better and the more information that we get that we can then take into account when we do our risk assessment and ultimately our work plan and this is for fiscal year 2026 thank
you thank you Miss tangle and well we'll share this around as well um encourage folks to uh fill out that survey um okay Mr McLean um public speakers we have one public speaker today Mr
David tolkovsky I see you out there Mr tolkovsky coming up you have two minutes to speak when you begin sadly okay sadly not today you had your time you had your time David zovsky creator of the office of the Inspector General when I sat on the board worked
with Matt fredman's father who was Deputy general counsel got to know his grandfather who we've named one of our schools after uh a graduate of Marquez elementary school graduate of Palisades High School let me say on the housing front I was disappointed in the
presentation the gentleman who spoke did not acknowledge that there was a contractual agreement that this board and superintendent signed with utla to at least be somewhat involved um and also the idea that there's a cone of silence when you have uh already
selected somebody uh to be the uh and hopefully they could be from LA County not from Orange County and know a little bit and let me keep going to blame Carlos Tores for that matter is just absolutely absurd Mr Tores reports to torren and Mr torren votes to the
superintendent who's accounted with Board of Ed so it's at the top of the level that you want to get to not just throw Mr Carlos Torres under the bus so to speak and let me also say that you with the insurance you could look at Garfield High Garfield High uh the
entire Auditorium the entire main building was burnt at in the fire and uh see what percentage we got and what amount of money we got uh from our insurance company and finally let me just say when you build in the Palisades uh not only did did uh two and a third
schools have damage but lots of private schools got damage so if you're building for instructional goals and kids learning it would be brilliant to try to make Marquez and Palisades so Stellar of a place that all of the schools that are
shut down and burned that those families are also part of it and don't rely on your demographics office that's my former uh staff member on my campaign for election he didn't go to UCLA demography school he knows where to go to get elected but he doesn't know uh
that you need to get contractual assistance from like real demographers at UCLA to figure it out because what I'm hearing is that large numbers of families may be building adus in the Palisades so if you rebuild and you put extra people there and you have good
schools and exciting marketing not the narrow piece you could be doing some great things and after that Mr McLean I will yield the uh uh floor to you and by the way Palisades High 50% of the kids oh no superintendent correct me 55% of
the kids do not live in the Palisades they live in the rest of the district in your District in The Other Board member up in the sky in her district and so we need to also be advocating uh for those kids as well and I thank you Mr chair good luck with the traffic on the 10
app thank you Mr former board member you're welcome um okay so thanks everyone for your engagement and participation and thanks to our our volunteers on the committee our next meeting is April 22nd just about a month away it will be our final committee meeting the year and based on this meeting I think it'll be a dooy we have
a lot of follow-ups and the MGT and the um housing and all that and the and the sensors um but we know May and June become busy so we don't have anyone scheduled we'll continue to work through ongoing recommendations and I just appreciate everyone for their time and service
meeting is adjourned thank you
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