##VIDEO ID:XvskCtvE18c## e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e okay good afternoon everyone it's 3:00 well 3:02 or 3 depending on who you ask on Tuesday January 28th even though it feels like it's April at this point it's hard to believe it's still January um welcome to today's facilities and procurement committee um we are joined in person by uh Mr fredman our chief procurement officer M toes our Chief facilities executive uh Mr McLean executive officer of the board uh Miss feferman uh former teacher parent advocate um and then we have um Mr Wickersham couldn't make it uh he's um handling some stuff around the eaten fire and so we wish him well and hope everything is okay there um and then uh Karen MOA our retired principal um not so retired she's still serving as an interim principal to fill in right now so we thank Karen for her service um we do have a few new uh we have Miss orti Franklin who is online and then we have two new uh committee members who are also virtual who I'd love to quickly say a few words to introduce themselves maybe we'll start with Dana Greenspan and if you just want to say a quick quick bit about who you are and thanks for joining us uh hi I am Dana greenpan I am a uh L USD parent of a seventh grader and a 10th grader an LUSD alumni of Hamilton High School Humanities magnet and uh I've been a construction project manager for the last 20 years doing commercial uh construction projects from helping with the design cost budgeting uh construction all the way to movement so um I'm excited to join this committee and hopefully save everyone some money that is our goal among other things so thank you Dana for join us and then I'll also have Cammy Anderson introduce herself and say a few words hi everyone uh Angelino teacher School leader superintendent in New York and Newark um and just very passionate about making sure that uh resources go to the communities that need them the most so if I can be helpful in any of my learnings then I'm here for it thanks for having me thanks Cammy and I should say I recruited Cammy after she was bending my ear on the both the District bond but also the state bond to make sure that there was an equity component that was driving the dollars particularly at the state level and so after our conversation I was like by the way will you join our committee uh and add your expertise both as a former superintendent and also as an equity uh Champion so thanks and and as an Angelino and parent so thank you both um I'd also like to thank Mr schmon for his service on the committee he has rolled off uh uh given his duties now as president of the board um and so we have Mr orti Franklin who again is remote but we'll also likely be having another board member we have a maximum of three board members on our board committees who will be joining us uh in the coming months um I want to start we have our agenda um which I'll get to in a minute we have uh two committee presentations public comment and closing remarks but I just want to start uh by acknowledging um the heartbreaking loss of so many of our community members particularly in District but throughout La unified and La regionally uh the the challenges that folks are facing right now as a result of the wild fires that devastated our city um and region just a few weeks ago and continue to unfold not luckily not the fires themselves right now uh and it seems like we were able to hold with mudslides for the time being but obviously the aftermath that would be felt for a long time and my thoughts are with every family navigating the way to this moment especially those who remain displaced either because their homes were destroyed or because they're out of it you know I I approach this as I know many of us do not just as an elected official um but as a neighbor a Community member Allison holdorf uh pohill sitting behind me and I'm only sharing with her permission but our wonderful District director and laella unified parent uh is among the many families who lost her home uh and just want to take the public opportunity to thank Allison because she has been focused not on her own needs but on relocating P elementary in Marquez helping P High find a site and has just been so so myopically focused on getting those kids back with their community so Allison we appreciate you so so much uh and it's your grace and strength uh that has gotten you know so many of us through the last few weeks so thank you Alison um I also know we have other District folks and I'm grateful to the LA unified foundation and others who are working to help um our employees and families who have been displaced I also want to thank uh The District staff who worked quite heroically um and have gone above and beyond I'll be bringing a resolution to our next board meeting just acknowledging all the folks in every different labor union and Department who did so much in the few weeks uh few hours and then few days and a few weeks uh you know starting on January 7th the schools that evacuated kids uh swiftly um some of the expense of being able to get back to their houses before evacuating and we had teachers who left their personal belongings and and cars at at District facilities so that they could hop on the buses with those kids uh the flexibility and Grace of schools that had to temporarily move or Zoom uh and open their doors to make space for display students whether that's Woodland Hills Academy who's hosted toena for you know it's getting up to close to three weeks this this school year of course brettwood science magnet and um nor Elementary who have been hosting the displaced Palisades kids um facility staff and I'm going to turn it over to miss toes uh in a minute but who have worked uh heroically overnight see literally overnight to uh get the kids at Palisades Elementary and Marquez relocated with their teachers uh Community with their peers with their Community with their principles and their support staff uh it's been really remarkable to see our maintenance and custodial staff who have worked around the clock to upgrade facilities and get safety measures in place so kids could be back safely everyone who's donated volunteered shown up in whatever way they could to help those who have lost everything I also give a shout out personal privilege here to my mother who has spent I think every day of the last week at Brentwood science magnet as a volunteer helping those teachers uh with whatever they need so thank you Mom um hopefully you're not watching because you're a brown in science and you have better things to do but uh and um so I just some quick updates on those recovery efforts I alluded to the two schools P elementary and Marquez that were repara damaged and quickly relocated to nearby campuses as of yes as of today I guess because Tanga reopened today all of our district schools are reopen except for those two uh for inperson Learning and the students of course at those two have been relocated but we had Canyon Elementary reopen yesterday and tapanga today um every campus has been clean air filters replaced with hospital grade equipment air purifiers indoors n95 amas masks available bottled water um and and we'll continue to Monitor and do what we need to make sure kids are safe and also to build confidence among parents and community members who have very valid questions especially in the schools really around near the burn scar uh in the Palisades for Al unified and I know our colleagues that we're working with in pasaden and aladen are doing the same for their schools P High which is an indep dependent Charter but is La unified's residential school for the Palisades and is also on District land sustained damage but remains about 60 to 70% intact and we're working closely with school leaders to find temporary space and also as we'll hear from Miss toes working hard uh with that school community on cleanup efforts mitigation and rebuilding um the board approved an emergency order to give the superintendent team broad authority to expedite procurement with relation to safety measures and and PPE and I know the board's decision was in part Guided by the confidence we have in Mr fredman and his team to make those procurement decisions with the best interests of our community and taxpayers in mind uh and finally I'm grateful to our partners at the city and the county I was joined by the governor and the state superintendent of instruction at Brownwood science magnet uh and P elementary a couple weeks ago um to to see the relocation but also to pledge their support with whatever the district needs in the short medium and long term so I'm going to turn it over to miss toes uh for a few minutes to just um share a little bit about the conversation she's been in about the rebuilding effort I know the there the not a long presentations that we expect from Miss toes but just you know for folks who have questions about uh debris removal and cleanup and the rebuilding particularly for p High Marquez and pal Elementary for questions about how they might how they might be able to engage in that effort about reimbursable costs and all that if you could just share an update and then if committee members have questions from Miss toes before she has to leave for I think two simultaneous ly booked meetings uh thank you so much actually the meeting I have to leave to is with the California office of emergency services um who is taking the lead of coordinating with the Army Corps of engineer on the cleanup efforts um so first and foremost um the district is focused on uh making sure that we reopen Palisades High School um as quickly as possible as uh board member melvoin was saying that school sustained about 30% damaged their School site so where they previously had 92 standard classrooms they're down to 65 um the good news is is that substantial amounts of their main campus remain whole and our goal is to work as quickly as possible with all of our both federal and state counterparts to both remove the Hazardous debris and buildings that were fire damaged and then clean the existing buildings so students can return to that school as quickly as possible obviously we're two weeks into the fire um we there are a lot of unknowns but we have um complete support by our other agency counterparts to both make sure the work is done quickly at our school sites understanding that getting stability for our students and staff is of our highest priority at the same time we are also looking at Palisades Elementary School and Marquez Elementary School Marquez um almost the entire campus so all buildings were fire damaged so that will be a complete rebuild at Marquez Elementary School we have the main classroom building that has about eight classrooms and a food service building that were not fire damaged structurally however we know that there is going to be cleanup at those also very focused on rebuilding those doing the Hazardous testing and cleanup so that we can quickly determine how we can get those uh design and construction of the replacement buildings done much more information to come um but know that that is my team highest priority right now um and we will be providing more information to the board and this committee over the months to come great thank you Miss toes are questions Miss feferman yeah yeah I do actually thanks everybody for being patient with me um so um you know obviously the budget is something that we're always talking about in La USD and um this is a moment of crisis and um you know we understand that everybody is doing the best they can in the moment but thinking sort of long term about that rebuilding um will the rebuilding of these campuses um be funded with Bond money or is that is that rebuilding going to be paid for out of sort of our general fund that we use so I'll speak from previous experience knowing that you know we're we're too early in to say but what we have experienced with other Federal um disasters is that fed does not cover the entire cost so you know whether that's you know 60 cents on the dollar or 50 cents on the dollar we will not be made whole most likely for the entire cost for rebuild and some of that comes into particulars like you know an outdated shop building was burned down we wouldn't rebuild an outdated shop building right we're going to build to what the needs are now um and then we also have our insurance proceeds which also come into effect um and then we'll have to see whether or not we would utilize bond funds um to supplement those two funding sources um I would think that the district would look to mitigate any impacts to the general fund knowing that we have both FEMA insurance and bond funds that be can be utilized for the rebuilding thank you so much sir can you share more Miss toes on the insurance like are CU there are questions are we self-insured or do we have third party insurance so when you so there's FEMA Bond When you mention like insurance proceeds sure um so I am by no means the district's um expert on our insurance policy um but we do have our insurance and risk management completely engaged um we do have an insurance carrier they've already conducted inspections of um all of our three of our properties um uh so they'll determine what their cost is uh for the cleanup and rebuild obviously we will have um our costs and we'll reconcile kind of what the coverage is but we definitely know that our insurance um will be covering as much to the extent possible the cost for our sites great and I know that the superintendent as well but I've had conversations with the governor and State Legislative leadership on uh ensuring that there's some adequate support Statewide as well whether that's through the $2.5 billion that was just approved in the last few days or other efforts but I know that they do want to prioritize uh School rebuilding um any of our Zoom committee members have questions or comments no great um well I will just say too uh thank you Miss toes and to your team I'll also note that we La UniFi is trying to be a helpful partner to both Pasad and Altadena and also to other independent or parochial schools that have been destroyed in the Palisades there were seven or eight and you know if you include preschools maybe close to a dozen uh that are either destroyed or um temporarily displaced and so when we look at our underutilized uh sites or um in my district I've discussed we have a few uh closed Early Education Centers uh empty classrooms or I know we've spoken to Pasadena unified about transportation for particularly at risk kids with special needs that they're nervous about and uh to the extent that we can be a partner um we are trying our best and just if there are folks out there who think we could be helpful we also of course on um uh the board staff um we have uh um Patrice on who works for board district one who's also on the um Pasadena School Board and so working with her and thinking of that community and the Altadena Community as well thank you Miss chokes so now we're going to go to our um n yes sorry this is Cammy I just had one sorry I can't see yeah that's great chime in uh one one potentially very obvious Point um so forgive me because I'm sure the team has already done this but um you know having been in Newark after Sandy uh or during and after Sandy and in New York during 911 one of the things that was helpful to um to you know make sure everybody was advocating with the same lens was just to make a simple um um you know inventory of all the various funding sources so that you know there's Federal that has a finite number there's and that's you know reimbursable and on this process with these constraints and then there's you know State monies that often are specialized and then of course there's um fond there's this there's that there's and and each of those has you know two bullet points worth of constraints a handful of ear marks and can be expected on a certain timeline um and the reason why it was helpful for us to do that again this is potentially obvious so feel free to tune me out um was that it was helpful to people like unic and you know in our case mayor Booker and Governor Christie and um it was almost like their cheat sheet to figure out you know where to apply the right level of advocacy to make sure that all that all of that came together um in a timely fashion and that we were you know as was stated that we were we were not barreling towards dipping into General funds or even dedicated bond funds um and leaving no stone on turn on the on on all of the the various pots of money that need to come together in order to rebuild um effectively and without without gaps thank you I know Miss toes wants to respond that's that's a helpful reminder and suggestion also because we've all you know we have in addition to the rebuilding costs we have the reimbursable expenses you know President Biden said 100% reimb reble within 180 days so those School relocation costs and figuring out how to get those reimbursed and then also P High because it's an independent Charter we've also tried to figure out like are there moments where we would want to spend money on the district because we can get reimbursed as the public agency on their behalf so that is a good suggestion and I know Miss toes wants to I I thank you for that um and we know and I should have uh maybe mentioned this earlier right now our very preliminary estimate just one week after the disaster was approximately $1.2 billion so if you look at that just that impact to LAUSD and how much has been kind of promised in the media for to address the entire fire damage we know that that money is not sufficient um and you're absolutely right even though we do have a bond program we know that many of the costs are not Bond fundable either um and so it will be an issue of making sure that we're advocating at the highest level to ensure that our district is um you know made whole to the extent feasible and we're able to address um all of these emergency situations and issues so miss toes just to clarify so that 1.2 billion is just the nut for to the district just to the district like relocation rebuilding yes um mitigation throughout La unified all that 1.2 billion and that's only one week in yeah and of course we know that well President Biden made a commitment two weeks ago or three weeks ago we don't know what's changed right since then um thank you Cammy other questions comments on fire response great and I think that that will be um one of the things that we just keep reporting on in this committee even if it's just for 10 minutes at the beginning we have our next meeting in March but kind of the Cadence of of those efforts I think could be helpful so we're now going to hear an update from our Inspector General Sue stangle and her team uh Miss stangle is going to remind us of the role of the Inspector General and share one recent audit and an example of their work that relates to this committee regarding a design build project I'll say unlike at the federal government where inspector's General are getting fired this week we are very grateful to keep ours and to the extent that we can keep funding and even expand your office uh I least I at least am committed to that so glad glad that you're here and not with the feds right now but uh thanks so to you Miss yeah you hear me oh now thank you um so just to remind everybody our um mission in a nutshell is to um prevent detect and deter fraud waste and abuse easy for me to say um and I want to thank you so much again I'm sue stangle the Inspector General um thank you for inviting us um to present our um performance audit of the design build policies and procedures um I want to start by thanking and acknowledging the oig staff who worked on this um senior Auditors um Jaclyn harz and Victor Reyes principal auditor lucel sea who you'll hear from in a moment retired audit manager Katherine manishi and assistant Inspector General Mark Pearson I also want to thank Sierra Zamora for uh her work on this presentation so for this audit we did two things differently than from our past audits the first one is that we reviewed the procurement process for three contracts at one time rather than just one contract at a time as we've done in in the past and we did this to assess whether there were any common findings or issues and second we're working to strengthen our collaboration with the district to develop practical mutually agreed upon Solutions addressing limitations identified in our audit findings our previous practice was to share a draft report and request a formal written response from the district their response and then our response to their response were then Incorporated into the final audit report for this audit and moving forward we're fostering a dynamic and productive partnership with the district by sharing findings through a working draft engaging in discussions on feasible actions and delivering a final report with collaborative actionable recommendations this approach promotes long-term effective change while ensuring compliance with auditing standards and accelerating successful outcomes and to that end I want to thank Matt fredman and his team um for their willingness to work with us on this audit and in this new process so the objective for this audit was to determine whether the procurement processes for three designbuild construction contracts were generally in accordance with the district's policies and procedures and the California Education Code we did this audit because we determined that the process may be at risk of lacking objectivity and fairness next slide please we reviewed the contracts for three projects two comprehensive modernization projects and the expansion of a Wellness Center we chose these projects because they were approaching substantial completion we had not audited the contractors in more than 3 years and because of the high dollar amounts for the projects and now I'll turn the presentation over to principal auditor luceli sea okay so I'll start with the design Bill facts um the procurement services division facilities contracts Branch oversees the design Bill proc procurement process the Education Code allows the district to utilize the design Bill method and the Board of Education authorizes used to on projects that exceed $1 million um the benefits of using the design Bill method are accelerated completion of projects Cost Containment reduction of construction complexity the liability and risk of Cost Containment are shifted to The designbuilt Entity okay the next slide is a high View High Level view of the design build procurement process the steps are briefly the project development preparing and issuing the request for qualifications and shortlisting responders preparing and issuing the requests for proposals that bid period RFP presentations and price proposals then it goes to the RFQ stage which pre-qualifies and short lists designbuilt entities based on statement qualifications within the top three advancing and the next is the RFP stage which is short-listed designed short-listed designbuilt entities participate in the design competition and then the final thing is the the bid analysis and award proposals are reviewed scored and the contract is awarded the audit and methodology and findings so the oig audit team evaluated these faces of the design build procurement process which is the RFQ the RFP bait analysis and contract award um overall the procurement process for the three design build construction projects were generally in accordance with the district's policies and procedures and state law the oig audit team found one finding and three observations okay okay so in this audit finding oig found that instead of delivering payment and performance bonds for 100% of the contract amount Penner delivered a bond for each phase of the project this action is inconsistent with the terms of the contract and puts the district out of Financial Risk further other biders and potential biders were unaware this option was allowed bonds guaranteed the district will receive a completed project at the awarded cost this occurred because Pinner request Ed they be allowed to do this and the district agreed our next finding oh well our recommendation for this finding um the oig recommended that the district prohibit bonding by the face and create a policy consistent with the relevant language in the contract the district agreed with our recommendation okay so this leads me to our next observations so observation one the district policy requires that the chief procurement officer CPO or the designate attend and facilitate workshops held with bids however the sign and sheet for Grant High School project Workshop showed no record that the CPO or the Desy attended because of the new process that Sue mentioned in her opening remarks we discussed this OB observation during our review with the District of the working draft at the meeting it was determined that the CP cp's presence is not necessary at the work workshops and the design the contract Administration analyst is qualified to handle these duties and the district policies would be changed to reflect this observation two and three okay observation two um the policy for the reward of design buil agreements requires all panel members and anyone seeking access to design build dentity submittal signed in no conflict non-disclosure form oig reviewed the these forms which provide evidence that the CPO and selection technical committee members and any other individuals involved in the project declar that have no conflict of interest in the design build project while PSD provided all requested forms the ones for Francis poly Technic high school project could not be located okay so our observation three um the same policy for the previous observation um states that the representatives of the selection committee are required to attend all designbuilt entity workshops so oig requested and reviewed the signning sheets to verify the selection of technical committee members for all three design build projects were in attendance PSD could not provide the signning sheets for the workshops or the final presentation meeting for yes Academy District staff reported that PSD lost various documents during the 22 Cyber attack oi the oig was informed that it has now implemented various backup Provisions to prevent this this from happening in the future with that I'll pass it back to sue to conclude the presentation so this slide has the link to the complete audit in case anybody wants to access that and then we wanted to um let you all know that we're about to embark on our risk assessment for the fiscal year 2026 and that will include a survey for anyone and everyone um in the district and um families and students and other stakeholders to participate and we welcome and encourage everyone to participate in the survey and that will be forthcoming in the next few weeks and then um finally I want to as usual encourage again anyone and everyone to report fraud waste and abuse to our office and remind everyone that complaints are confidential and can be made anonymously and with that I'll be happy to take any questions that anyone might have um thank you Miss stangle and thank you for the presentation and um I have a few but I'll turn it over to committee members maybe we'll start with zoom this time and see if folks um online have questions or comments um and I guess where did Mike go um I think you should be able to just if you're on Zoom maybe just uh either raise your hand or just start talking and we'll see um if we're doing questions there if they're on Zoom can they just unmute themselves and talk okay so hearing or seeing none right now uh Miss peerman um I will uh just a few from me and if the folks they can chime in um when they have questions or comments but thank you so in the cases where and I know we've asked this before but when like the district agrees with a recommendation what's the feedback loop to make sure that they actually then do it uh and are those shared with the public to say like okay they've agreed that they're going to have a new bonding procedure and now it's done thanks for that question so um we are um trying to be very diligent in following up on all of our recommendations um we did it last fiscal year we're doing it um with more diligence this fiscal year and in our annual report there will be a status of all of our recommendations uh perfect and so that's where we can share with constituents to say here's where the districts follow up and if they haven't yet hold hold them accountable absolutely yes I'm sorry luceli reminded me that each of the recommendations has a Target date for completion and do you have not to put I guess not you but the district on the spot do you have a like a ballpark in terms of Target dates are met 95% of the time 5% of the time like are how's the district doing and meeting their target dates when it comes to closing the loops on oig recommendations I think that's a great idea that we'll include in our annual report thank you Mr meloy okay great love it happy to help um so uh specific to the design build process a couple of the findings are around the workshops in the RFP phase and one of the things that this committee is looking at is how we get more folks to participate um in that process and submit proposals you know I know for Fairfax High School big modern ization in my district we only had two proposals two biders so I don't know you know if you sue through this process or maybe Mr Freedman through procurement have any ideas on how to improve that process whether that's scheduling more time uh or like a longer Runway or better advertising opportunities but I would just love if there are any thoughts when it comes to um uh advertising our our rfps and our bids thanks for the question um one of the things that we're actively going after after this this current year is is more Outreach U so later this week there's actually a first workshop with some of our community based organizations um and then continuing to do that for um facilities construction um procurement as a whole um and so certainly getting ourselves out there being more visible um and easier to do business with great yeah that would be helpful too because I think some of these I mean I know that if you go to the procurement website you can see what rfps are open but I think that's just like there's an esoteric there's a niche market that doing that we're usually probably the majority of the folks that would bid anyways but seeing how we can expand the the net um great uh well thank you again and thanks for joining this committee periodically to report on the great work of the oig's office and thanks for the presentation and the and the great work of the office so thanks for supporting our office of course um okay we're going to move on to our cost savings from specification updates I'm going to turn over to Miss O'Brien in a minute I just want to say to to Dana this is kind of what she was talking about like how to how to save the district money um we also discussed at our last committee meeting the comparative study that has been a real priority of mine for years and um should be completed and maybe Alex can talk about this briefly at the end of this month uh and then in our March meeting we'll definitely um March meeting Andor the committee of the whole or a full board meeting will'll be publicizing and sharing those results but in addition to that comparative study done by a thirdparty entity about how is La UniFi doing compared to peer districts in the LA labor market with the same laws and regulations and um Etc uh the districts also been undertaking via this committee this specification updates and cost savings um and uh one of the questions we had after hearing some of the work they're doing last time was can we quantify the savings like how how do we know that this is worth it and so I'm going to turn it over to uh Alex to give this presentation and then we'll open up to questions and comments okay so I'm going to start with a little bit of a overview for those who are new to our committee and I will so specifications and deviations we're going to talk about what we've done to date and we'll review definitions of what those are and then we'll go into the cost savings examples that I brought and Nick you asked me via Danielle a really good question and I had the same question and I'm going to answer it before you get to ask me great and I love I love that phrasing you I ask via my amazing staff anything they do just say it's it's me via VIA them so and thanks to Danielle Alison for their work on the committee but yes you ask me lots of questions but it was a great question I'll ask via I like that and it's the core issue but we're going to start with specs so for anyone who doesn't know our process or um understand the design and construction process we're going to try to explain these terms and they get a little technical later on in the in this um presentation but to start off what's the specification so a specification um is part of your contract with your contractor to build a building and the district has a whole team of people people who work on specifications keeping them updated and they work with the lessons learned that comes from constructing they come they work with uh providers in the marketplace of equipment and products and they work with um all the designers and architects who also bring Lessons Learned so the specification itself is kept by the district and is edited by The Architects and Engineers the specification tells you what materials we want you to use what products you should use how you should build and you see that term what Workshop right in the middle of the first paragraph that's typically set by industry standards unless we have a higher need and that's part of what Nick and others have asked us where are we building Beyond industry standard where are we doing things that others don't and could we study that aspect of our specifications and look at if we could save costs and that's part of what we're doing here so to get an understanding of the scale at the bottom of this slide you can see there are 33 subject matter divisions and on the right hand side of the slide we just mentioned two masonry and metals to understand the scale of this there are over 300 specification sections so what's been happening is as everything has changing in the marketplace now very quickly particularly with electrical equipment rather than gas equipment to keep up with all these changes we decided that the best thing we could do and to get a perspective to answer the question could we do things differently we wanted to hire an outside consultant to help help us before I go to that want to talk about substitutions and deviations substitutions and deviations are part of our design process and they are sometimes very cumbersome in the process for our Architects engineers and contractors it's something they've asked us to look at and I'm just going to Define these here you can ask me questions about it later a deviation is and I'm going to use a really simple example our specifications might say this is not what they say this is an example to keep it kind of simple you may use 2 by two or 4x4 tiles in a restroom now by the way that would be logical so that we don't have to have all different replacement stock but you could have a situation where someone applies for a with a deviation to use a 4x8 tile they'd have to justify it but that's what a deviation is so it's a deviation from uh what we specified typically deviations can be made during the design phase or during the construction phase a substitution is very much the same thing it's asking for a change but usually substitutions if you're using this terminology correctly and there's a little looseness about it substitutions happen during construction after you've bid but an example of a substitution is a product that we specified that's no longer manufactured and not available so the contractor is obligated to request for us the approval of a substitution for an equal product and then we have to do research to make sure it's equal so those are the definitions that set up um kind of understanding what we're doing behind all this so what we were doing actually even before board member Mourne asked us was already looking at these challenges we had so much to do so what have we done since you saw me last month or no two months ago in November so we've already um hired and have under contract gendler Associates to help us with this and those of you who have been involved before might know we also had a series of workshops specified on mechanical and electrical equipment because that's where the greatest changes are happen happening very rapidly in the marketplace and those components in a building cost a lot of money so we had a series of workshops through the summer and into the fall with sub subcontractors contractors and our Architects and engineers and our maintenance and obser um uh maintenance and operation staff and our own design management staff and even our construction staff we went through a series of workshops let's get these ideas so um We examined 50 mechanical and electrical design guide and specification sections and we have 80 mechanical updates under consideration and 64 electrical we have 238 non- mechanical and non electrical specification sections under review and we have 142 previously approved deviations under review so why is that important well if you didn't update your specification and someone asked us one day can I use this product and we approved it then we should be able to use it on other on other projects but in instead what we were doing is we had people on every project having to make the same requests so you know that's because some things changed like flooring changed in the marketplace um in the last couple of years so why should everybody be doing the same paperwork so we're doing the paperwork one sec so if you add up these three uh well more than 50 80 64 238 142 that comes to 494 I want you to remember this number 500 potential changes I'm going to come back to that okay the other thing is just to point out is our in our specification and standards group is always working and just in the last month they're already updating 17 specification sections themselves and just they've got to keep on doing their work and what we did as we were looking at this big picture was say we don't need to go to gend pay an outside consultant to do this we know what you want what we want you to do you do it internally save the money and the other thing is I also talked last time about you know we have to stay on top of the marketplace so one of the things I granted the team um authorization to follow through was looking at EMS systems EMS is Emergency Management systems and those are very expensive they collect a do a lot of data that we need what a lot of which we need but we don't need everything so we asked um subcontractors hasn't happened yet it's about to happen to join us with our Engineers we had already had an internal conversation for 3 months we're prepared to say what do we really need to know about the equipment because there's no point in collecting a lot of data and having a lot of little extra duads that you paid for if you're not looking at it that's just an example of how we keep ahead of the marketplace painting specs so this is something I talked about I think last April um we changed the spa uh painting specs because our methodology that we were requiring was for to roll on the paint and now what we are authorizing is you may use spray paint equipment so if you look in the middle of the um slide here what we estimated through our construction um estimating department is that saves us 177% if when you're painting on the interior of building and 12% on the exterior that's just an example of trying to there's no dollars there but trying to give you a sense that yes that saves money and I'm going to talk a little bit more about our examples but on the exteriors I only had them look at stucco paint Stu uh paint on stucko not on other materials so let's talk about that oh wait how did I do this I did this last time okay cost comparison models so to answer the question that you posed to me um Mr Mel was to you know I have to explain this to you and how do I explain it so I came up with two comparison models so that we could talk about it and be consistent because having just saying hey I've got a classroom building over here on this site and a classroom building over here on this site doesn't mean everything's the same and comparable so I asked the cost estimating team to use two different models to discuss just a few samples of cost savings to talk about so one is a twostory 20 classroom building 24,000 square ft to to use when we looked at mechanical system changes I'm going to walk through with you duct testing duct lining isolation curbs and cleanouts and I'll talk about what those are and then I asked them to use a high school gym with both practice and competitive gyms and of course they have locker rooms Etc to calculate a rough order of magnitude cost for certain mechanical changes including the isolation equipment we're going to walk through this in the cleanouts so here's our first very exciting example HVAC duck leakage so when we were running these workshops it this was a suggestion from contractors so why do we test duck leakage and what why is it important well if the Ducks are leaking then it's not going to operate efficiently you're going to waste money and you're going to waste energy also you put a strain on the equipment so the equipment is designed to work at an Optimum speed or whatever this the sheet metal and air conditioning contractors National Association which everybody just calls smacka determines the standards for allowable allowable leakage and it recommends testing standards this is what I was talking about before industry standards and they have industry standards for what kind of ducts should be tested so at the end of the project you don't go out and test every little thing however at the district if you go to the next page the district was requiring all duct work to be tested so it was suggested by the contractors that we should really consider reducing that and so that reduction in testing costs was estimated at 51,000 for a twostory 20 classroom building and I also pointed out here that the once the contractor completes his work he has to do testing but also our commissioning Agents come through and they double check everything so you're going to have two two reviews now I don't want to explain that 51,000 compared to the big dollar yet I want to wait to the end okay you can tell I'm talking directly to Nick okay sorry so here we are sound and vibration control so is when you put equipment on a roof or even above a ceiling um that equipment when it runs is moving am I killing you sorry no no I'm a I'm a longtime L USD teacher I have been in rooms with very noisy H vac systems well that was probably not working correctly but listen to this part so it's supposed to have when it goes on the roof it has certain isolation requirements and when it goes above the ceiling it has isolation requirements usually on hangers so you'll we we have two terms here we have roof curbs which is on the roof and the equipment is above that and has to be designed so it Flex it moves but it doesn't translate that sound through the building and into the classroom so in the in a in the classrooms you can also have equipment above them that are supposed to be specifically um using hangers we're I'm not changing anything here with hangers so the trick is when we looked at this we said okay well how can we save money and this again came from internal staff and from contractors so don't read the savings part yet let's look at the first bullet if we put the rooftop isolation curbs in H hangers only where you had instructional space and administrative space not above a mechanical room not above an electrical room not above an M room you could save top blue number 11,000 potential cost in that 20 classroom building if you use the integrated internal isolation components now listen into that it's not a curb it's built into the equipment so you're buying one thing if you use that it's a little cheaper than the roof uh curb and you use that over gymnasiums or over spaces where people are not trying to talk to each other or in a classroom you could save 121,000 for a high school gym next one HVAC insulation so this this this is not entirely resolved within the district we're still kind of talking about what our options are so typically you need to line the ducts to prevent temperature loss to optimize function again energy costs electricity costs um you want to have also it's important because you're trying to make sure you have acoustical quality again in your spaces right if you don't have that lining in the second bullet we say attenuating components to control the system you have to put if you don't use lining you have to use other pieces of equipment so that's what we were asked to look at so the specification that we currently have and that we're looking at um and we're still discussing with other engineers and gendler Associate is can we use other liners can we use liners what kind of liners and how much money could we save and so we see that's 110,000 if we accept using Liners in our ducks so this is where I'd like to take a p pause and talk about you know a a classroom building can be 600 to $800 a square foot okay so how much are we saving here so remember my number where I said hey we're looking at 500 different things let's say we only decided to change 200 of those 200 and I've got four examples here of what you could change so doing the math that's 50 things at $250,000 it's $ 122.5 million so that's how I came to explain it so you could understand it so it is a significant it's like I think I've got this right how do you eat an elephant it's like one bite at a time that's what we're trying to do so I'll go to the next one there's a diff oh so here's one we did in uh Plumbing this is another one we're we're still discussing and I don't have a diagram but maybe you recognize that usually in a classroom building the girls restroom is right be right adjacent to the boys um right we build buildings like this and everything they're adjacent in they're back to back so the sinks are back to back and usually the toilets and water closets are back to back the urinals are back to back so typically you have one cleanout for both pieces of equipment in that wall wall but here at the district we have one cleanout for each so you're buying double the amount of cleanouts so is it a huge uh savings no and it's 10,000 in a classroom building happens to be about 10,000 in a high school gym but we're still talking about shouldn't we do that again if you're going to build a lot of gyms you know it's not just gyms we're building classrooms all over the place all sorts of buildings so it's worth our looking at whether or not we should do that that's an open dialogue anyway here we are at Q&A and um thank you I know that that it can be um in the weeds or a bit dry but I think it's helpful uh as part of the broader cost saving so I'll turn to my colleagues in a second but just to crystallize the 12.5 million that you said so is with just reiterate what that number means okay so if I took a a classroom building and I took those four HVAC examples and I said okay we're going to employ use that on if we have 500 examples where we're only going to do it on 200 and I did that on 200 that average is every four is $250,000 so I could save 12 a half million do right so and that's your elephant analogy is that these indivual elepant analogy but it's adding up yeah yeah um okay I have some but I'll turn it over first to miss fman questions comments and then we'll go on Zoom I see Dana you your camera's on so any questions comments um I guess my question I'm I'm new to the committee is are we supposed to make a decision for this presentation I mean I have a couple questions but um I'm trying to understand the goal of this presentation and and yeah no no great great question and sorry for not giving the framing and context so this is the second year of the committee and what we did last year is after the committee meetings we came up with some recommendations as a committee um one of them was the comparative study that's being done another one was this cost specifications so in the aggregate kind of in a few months we'll take some of our learnings and some come up with some and I should say too so last year was about understanding and coming up with suggestions this year was following up on the suggestions so this is we're in the follow-up phase so that's the comparative study um so there's no action today for the committee if you have recommendations we'd love them it's really about holding the District staff accountable to what the committee suggested which was look at these cost specifications see where you can um reduce costs also reduce time which I'll ask Alex about in a minute so today it's just about asking questions giving some suggestions I know they're amendable to it uh and hearing your thoughts and then the other question I had specifically is I mean the district has such a range of Ages of buildings um what range of Ages of buildings but sorry D she just couldn't hear so yeah range of Ages of buildings when you're in your examples is this for new buildings those were new buildings to keep it simple because we have buildings that are 100 years old and buildings are 20 years old and everything in between and they're all built differently yes this is all new building examples that doesn't mean if we went into an existing building of any age and we're replacing in HVAC equipment we would reconsider the specifications with our engineers and our internal when I say Engineers outside Engineers we'd examine exactly how does this work in this system in this building okay um it just that's and so for these specifications are they is is it specifically for this these 400 specifications are they for for new buildings or some it's for a mix I guess my examples were specific to new buildings but they also our specifications can be used for new buildings or existing buildings but existing buildings you have to modify them as required to meet the existing conditions including looking at saving costs so we we write one set of specs but the way they're written it does get specific um in our standards which is and guidelines on what you do in existing versus what you do in new and I I can tell you that actually was controversial so I'll give you an example we were we were putting in new um HVAC units and I'm not going to get into the details of the system but a very simple system and for a new building we had a certain acoustical requirement for a new building in other words how noisy can that equipment be I'm looking at our teacher right but in an existing building we had some restrictions and we couldn't quite meet that and we spent a lot of time fighting about it and basically you're trying to fix something you can't fix so we accepted a different level just a little bit different because that was the reality of trying to apply something for a new building to an existing building just wasn't working thanks Dan that was one of my questions too which is that given that most of the work the district's doing is retrofitting fixing repairing as opposed to new construction with the exception of the Palisades um how are these specifications and how can we quantify the cost savings one of those examples that's ongoing is the painting for example but I think that would be helpful you know to know how much of this is relevant and applicable to ongoing to maintenance but our big big dollars are when you look at how we're moving forward with the major mods and with measure us are mostly going the big dollars are going to be on new buildings where we have a seismic vulnerability it's too expensive Ive to fix that building it's more reasonable in the big picture to replace it so big dollars are in new construction other than mechanical systems in existing buildings and by the way those requirements that I just said those four examples for HVAC and those all apply to an existing building unless there's something specific about a building that requires an engineering change Dana any further questions comments so are are we going to be looking at all of these 400 specification recommendations or we just um I guess that's I'm trying to understand how that how that works well am I going to bring um 500 different spec sections detailed back to this committee no that would take an enormous amount of time from um let us say the other work the work of doing the buildings but I could always come back with more examples I think I was just trying to understand what we're what we're doing I'm I'm try yeah yeah I think the important thing is in general we run our department um as looking for self-improvement and then our costs were going up for a variety of reasons and so it's reasonable for the committee and the board and everyone to say what's causing this so I'm only talking about one aspect of how we look at costs right and I think the question is yes we're not going to um uh go over in detail or peruse each specification of this committee but you are you know out of the um 500 300 specification sections and then within each section how many to miss Greenspan's Point are you looking at as part of this review process I'd have to get back to you on exactly what we hired Gensler to do but we didn't ask them to look at 3177 but we did do have a contract that allows us to extend the work after the initial group so they're looking at I think they're looking at let me just go back sorry if you look at the uh they're looking at 230 non- mechanical and non-electrical specs but we have asked them to identify the ones that they recommend we do internally because they don't see them as a a big task to undertake in other words we're not trying to go from this big to this big you know so it we're working together with them and so if they so what we ask them to do was look at our specs and evaluate and divide what do they think they would recommend is important for us to look at but we actually gave them the list so the only thing they have to do is say you know Alex really you should add these into the we can help you here so like the ones that you presented on today these were the ones that the district's taking ownership of or were these the gendler ones or a combination combination okay and then is gendler producing a final report that what you can share with the public and the committee or what's the what's the outcome of that work the outcome is a revised specification like will it be redlined in a way that well each section would be and is that something that we can just share with the public or with the committee like even just on the website let me think about that not that I can't it's the the time and effort to do that you know like how would I do that well I guess the well we put them well we put up new specifications on our website all the time right and do we have like a track changes or do we have like a version history I mean I guess the question is we're paying guns Le to review and yes in add they're going to come up with improvements and I think it would be helpful to see what those improvements were okay I'll bring some samples ask one more question about you want examples I mean I'm not going to bring 300 17 sections well I don't think you need to and then I'll have Miss greens I don't think you need to present to this committee on them but like the report should be well the report will be the product so yes you can see the product yeah yeah and you can see it in track changes or non-track changes yeah that's what I I me we'll probably edit it again right I and I know what you're alluding to which is that these are ongoing um right right uh processes but I think just to understand what the work the work product is for gendler it' be helpful to see some of those right I'll bring some and can I bring them in the fall well when's again what's the contract uh they have a portion of this contract ends in May when we will decide if there's additional things we want to do or did we deduct some of the task and switch it out and that will happen in May so they might come or we might come and say we don't need you to do that we've made a decision ourselves take that spec section off your list we're going to bring you another and we'll do that break in May and that's based on the things that we think are just lower hanging fruit that we can right yeah yeah I okay but I think to miss to miss Greenspan's point just understanding the the fruits of this process in terms of both what we're doing in house and what gendler's doing seeing what's changed makes sense um sure yeah question about um a lot of experience with gendler they're an architect firm they're not an engineering firm they're not Specialists and no we they are working with Engineers they're working with Engineers in-house Engineers or are they subcontracting they are subcontracting Engineers who work with us because really Engineers write the spec sections Tech Point yes yes but gendler has uh the resources when we evaluated all the architecture firms on our bench they had the resources internally and externally to meet the scale of our challenge many of our other Architects wouldn't have those resources or expertise M greensb follow-ups no I just the um this is all super interesting and I appreciate the work on this um just uh yeah it' be interesting to see what the engineers have if the out come of that as well we're we're that would be great thank you so much great I see Mr Newton hey I'm here uh my question is regarding uh painting and I'm wondering if we would consider or should consider more Progressive Solutions as well and I'm talking about something we touched on during the last committee meeting which was robotic painting uh it's impressive technology and in this particular scenario painters are trained certified as robotic technicians these are union people usually enhancing their manual uh painter status and virtually eliminating safety hazards such as lead exposure harmful chemicals scaffolding incidents and resulting in further cost aing also of course enhancing the manual painters uh toward more Progressive roles you know using consoles rather than brushes is this something that we would consider absolutely um we didn't go that far yet because that takes a lot of research regarding chemicals everything everything is reviewed by the office of environmental health and safety every chemical in any product has to be approved by them so just so everyone knows that's that's a standard practice already that's good to know so how would I go ahead and and help to go ahead and achieve this goal do I send you in information regarding the newest Technologies and that and maybe some cost breakdowns and so forth because I'm seen a lot of it out there in the contract world I can ask our team to do some research on that I did not ask them that um when you asked me about that in November because we were focused on uh getting the guinsler group and all our subcontractors and contractors but asome to do some research perfect well thank you very much for that appr yeah I think the painting is one we hear a lot from schools it's not Bond fundable and so it needs to come out a general fund and so I think even 12% cost savings can lead to more painting and I'll take we'll take all suggestions um other questions from folks yes Cammy I see Cammy has raised her hand yes you're on mute oh there go I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing raise my no that's raise the hand is great we I yeah this is great I'm doing all the things uh first of all thank you very much and um I find all this incredibly interesting I think one suggestion potentially you may already have done this but I was just listening to um uh Miss Greenspan's questions and also um for um um Mr melo's questions and I guess it would be useful if it doesn't already exist to understand what the big goals are and sort of at the end of the day you know what your team just sort of reporting out on the progress to those goals so what I was hearing and you may have this somewhere else and maybe I missed it because I'm new too one is to update your your specs um for efficiencies and also to meet the market the second is to eliminate redundancies in your in your sub your subs and deviations the third is to create efficiencies and inspections and data collection and the fourth is to identify and green light you know oneof for lack of a better term you know individual processes that might add up to Big cost savings and for each of those goals you know as an example on the specs there's 500 I'm sure to your point there's you know X number you're not looking at y number that the auditor is looking at Z number that you're looking at um and I guess it would just be useful if that's what's supposed to happen here and and feel free to tell me if I'm complely Off the Mark here not not that you would come back to this body or to the board and report on every single one of those but understanding what those goals are and what the progress to the goals and then potentially doing what you did today which is sort of picking examples so that we can better understand um but it's hard to like even what is for example the oneoff costs analysis like is there a numeric goal there is it are you picking the low hanging fruit and then coming back to the medium hanging fruit like just I guess for reverse engineering the report to be like what what's what are the Department's goals where are you in the process and to what extent can we be helpful and you helping you realize that not not asking for all of you know what I mean I don't know if I'm making sense here but it's it's hard to see what the overall goals and strategy are just from this but it might be just because I'm new so thanks for listening so um the committee G the committee gave us a number of things to study like modular um we we looked at a number of things in 2023 late 2023 and early 2024 and one was the use of modulars which we have used on projects that's a certain kind of building that you bring in it's not a portable that's we have Portables and modular modulars are a classroom building by classroom and you can put them together Portables are um they don't last as long they're wood frame and uh we've used them quite a bit at the district um when we've had huge in uh expansions of enrollment or we couldn't build something fast enough or we were in an emergency condition so we were given a couple of things so one was modulars uh one was working off hours at night which we do do on some projects but we don't build big projects at night so we've been reporting on these for since 2023 right yeah I think I think uh and we can share the recommendations and those big buckets with the committee if we haven't already but I think to um to cammy's point yeah I think yes Cammy D we should and if if the community can be helpful because not only would it be helpful and I think this goes to miss Greenspan Point too about um about just the summary like just you know the summary but also I'd be curious even just looking at the RFP we did for gendler what was our outcome like what did we when we did that RFP for gendler to come in what were the goals that we asked them to do oh right I can I mean I just I'm not saying that off the top of my head but I also can say you're absolutely right there are small things there's low Fring low lwh hanging fruit and then there are big ticket items like mechanical and electrical so we're trying to do mechanical and electrical some Lo we can't like we try we're trying trying to do them methodically what we did was we went to our Architects engineers and contractors and we asked them what's important for us to look at and we took those that information as a starting point so that's how we organized ourselves a year ago I just think not not to put words in Miss Anderson's mouth but like thinking you know I think as teachers we always thinking like backwards plans and big goals like if if I think it would be helpful and this committee can help guide it to understand and calibrate like if the goal is to try to save $100 million a year through specifications you might be able to weed out right away like these little ones it's just not like the juice is not worth the squeeze like it's not worth but these are the bigger ones or is the goal just to um you know I think that's like that's what I hear in in Miss Anderson's questions is just like what are the goals that are guiding this effort besides the fact that we do this to do it is it safety is it cost savings and if it is cost savings what is it and then how are we going to like cuz cuz I think this is all helpful in the um the discret components are helpful to know that like in everything you're highlighting for the committee it's saving money the the question is then the so what what does that add up to um so I I appreciate the suggestion and I and I'm sure that there are certain things like the actual language and the the bid for gendler that we asked them to do you know to to what end did we ask them to review something so and we had to break it down into different sections of work right and then figure out how we're like how we'll know we're successful as in a year with these with these um uh specification reviews um so Cammy I don't know if you have further follow-up or questions or comments but you know it's it is it's towards the what end what's the goal and then what are the range of options that are being pursued and how are you handicapping them and could this body be you know it's it is the good Le good backwards plan basically right we can always take a point in time to report on because it never is ending yeah well no I think that the point in time is helpful in terms of uh elucidating the work that's being done but I think the broader like the helicoptering up to understand you know I think that goes to both out of the hundreds of specifications how many were changed what is that nut what is that leading to that when we get there yes no problem and we can give you a report next meeting right in May if we're meeting in May I as that's winding up that first part of the contract we can give you a report yeah because I think too the committee has been operating for two and a half years and I think the the the charge when we when we impaneled this committee was around cost and time saving and then we we started to hone in on okay well let's do this comparative study to see how we compare Regional um competitors and then you all brought to us well there are these specifications that go beyond what is required that may be leading to uh delays not delays to longer time frames and also more money and so if we can re-evaluate those and the the spray painting was one that we've used as an example because it was one that you know seems outdated and so but so I think the the broader goal was just save time and money to to go one level down to say how much time how much money and then how is this leading there would be helpful and may I say that we were already doing this it's actually wonderful to have the committee and the board interest in this because making change in an organization like ours doing business certain ways it helps to not just be doing it internally which we were already doing but to have the uh perspective of others well we also wanted to make really helping us you're helping me that's we're that we are here to serve and but that is but that is also the question we didn't want to be told you or learned that like oh a board policy is what's holding us back from being more efficient and so that's what this committee wanted to do too is identify you know state federal laws that can be changed and that we want to Advocate over shade structures were one example where we got some leg legislation moved a couple years ago and then looking at the specifications in board policy is another so um great other uh questions comments from our folks in the virtual World okay so I guess um one a lot of my questions have been um have been addressed I guess this was mostly about cost savings but we also talked about Time Savings and is that something that you or gendler are looking at to say because time is money not to be you know tried about it but um I think like with the painting like if we've the 12% is cost savings for example to do the spray painting but also is that a faster process faster and is that saves time okay so it's really just the time it's like that is one where the 12% it's not necessarily the equipment or the paint supply that's different it's the time time got it right um but also then enable schools to get done more quickly so there are because that would also be something that I would hope you all and guns are looking at which is not only is it saving us money but it would also be helpful to tell the public like with this switch in specifications where also able to a typical Elementary School of X number square footage we're able to get it done 3 weeks quicker than we would have three months that's not in the Gensler study per se they're Architects and Engineers that's other things we're looking at all right um okay I think that that is it at least from from me and so we'll we'll follow up when it comes to kind of those broader goals and then and then the thing we'll have in our next meeting which I'll talk about after a few public speakers is that comparative study and seeing how these two things um how the two uh interact because to the extent that we find with peer institutions that they're doing things more efficiently or uh more cheaply it may have to do with some of these specifications that are different so we'll see how those all work together at our next meeting okay thank you Miss O'Brien appreciate it and all the work that your team is doing and I'm going to turn it over to Mr mle for a the few public speakers that have signed up okay we have uh three public speakers um only one in person that's Mr David toosi come on up you'll have two minutes to speak once you arrive with the microphone thank you very much um legal counsel is there any reason why this honorary board member and the committee couldn't have the RFP and the contract for Gensler if I were still board member I wasn't asked but I yeah there's no but I'm just saying mentoring a board member from my experience as a board member that sometimes we put too much pressure on the staff when the answer can be just simple and clear um I know gendler if you called him up the huge monster of a company would I mean they work on westchester's field uh they would certainly send it over they'd call up legal counsel first and ask if it's okay but of course it would be done secondly the IG I'm glad that Mr Trump missed our IG uh and only got the the 18 there but uh again it's funded with facilities money and so uh we need to get more substantive reviews driven by this committee and and the board and independent comment on some of these aspects number three $9 billion of uh Bond money uh and buckets like developer or impact fees and others as this committee's grown it'd be nice to lay out the org chart and and all the budget buckets um and lastly uh elephant jokes um uh strangely my brother is a PhD in in elephant jokes and other jokes and both the scholars Alan dundies of Berkeley and Abrams of Penn were his faculty members and surge of elephant jokes came during the 60s early 60s during U uh civil rights movement and the women's rights movement and often they were used as a comment of things are moving too fast we have to slow down and so I think that's as you just said the the origin of this committee was to look at the efficiency the costs and so it's kind of an ironic moment that we're biting uh the elephant one bite at a time rather than uh liquefying it and get it all out there thank you thank you uh Maria Daisy Ortiz I see you're on the line please press star 6 to unmute yourself you'll have two minutes to speak once you begin Miss Ortiz is going to speak in Spanish so if you'd like to hear what she's saying in English slap on these headphones everyone my name is Maria Daisy Ortiz and I am here because first of all I saw that the inspector General spoke before you and as a mom and member of the community I'm asking the Inspector General to do an audit with SE with fund 748 with parents that are sent to conferences and aren't given much other than told to go to conferences and give Prov and provide receipts some of us are low income we can't treat parents like employees so I wish this to be investigated based on these funds and also at the Franklin school and before the pandemic we wrote a letter for Mr Miguel Vine to have a uh handwashing station in the parent Center and they haven't done it still I'm here before you since this is a priority to have before any else to have to be able to wash their hands when there's an activity or when you're going to be a volunteer to provide food for students that arrive later need uh more food so we need that to be facilitated and then we need something to be done with the aroo SEO plot since that school is not a benef fishery or it doesn't have a good uh area or a spot so aroo needs to be looked into since they have students from kindergarten to 8th grade and in the past we spoke about how that school can be identified since it's not in an appropriate uh uh area for the magnitude of the school thank you very much good afternoon thanks to everyone for your engagement and participation particularly to our volunteers on the committee our next meeting is March 18th uh and we'll follow up with the agenda there including the comparative study I know we're going to be um agendize an overview of the bond program updates on the fire um and uh I think some follow-ups from today so thank you all meetings adjourned