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afternoon. I call to order this March twenty-third, twenty twenty-five Joint Committee with this Board of Supervisors and School Board meeting. Welcome everyone to the LCPS boardroom. Uh, we are happy to host the joint committee this afternoon. Um, we do not have any public comment this afternoon, so we will jump right in with our reports. Um, so this is item three, co-chairs reports on the board of supervisors and school board activities. I'll start tonight. Um, good evening, joint committee members and to our families and communities
watching at home. Uh, this has been an exciting and inspiring few weeks across Loudoun County Public Schools, with many moments that highlight the talent, dedication, and heart of our students and staff. I'd like to begin by recognizing the incredible accomplishments of our students. More than three hundred high school students recently participated in the forty-fourth annual Regional Science and Engineering Fair at Tuscarora High School. These students demonstrated curiosity, creativity, and critical thinking as they tackled real-world challenges through original research. We are especially proud of those who will advance to the
international level and represent LCPS on a global stage. We are also cel-- celebrating the power of words at the regional spelling bee, where Belmont Ridge Middle School student, Vikhyaath Thannamala, claimed the championship after sixteen impressive rounds, correctly spelling the word peccant. Vikhyaath, along with the runner-upUh, Dia Sudhak-hakar will go on to represent Loudoun County at the Scripps National Spelling Bee this spring. And looking f-toward the future, more than six hundred students from
across Virginia participated in the CyberSlam 2026 at George Mason University, gaining hands-on experience in cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, and digital forensics, fields that are shaping tomorrow's workplace. Our success as a d- as a division is made possible by our extraordinary-- the extraordinary dedication of our staff. This month, we are proud to recognize Transportation Supervisor Sue Carlson as the Shine Award recipient. Her commitment to ensuring that every student's transportation needs are met with care and precision exemplifies the very best of LCPS.
We also celebrate eight educators who have achieved national board certification, one of the most rigorous and respected professional accomplishments in education, and congratulate Hannah Boggs of Elaine Thompson Elementary, who was selected for the Fulbright Teachers of Global Classrooms Fellowship. Her upcoming international experience will further enrich learning for her students and our division. In addition, more than two hundred and fifty staff members came together for Inspire Loudon, a division-wide professional learning event focused on innovation, collaboration, and
strengthening instructional practice. LCPS continues to strengthen connections between classroom learning and real-world opportunities. Through our recent Career and Technical Education Roundtable, we partnered with more than one hundred business and community leaders to ensure our programs align with the workforce needs and prepare students for success beyond graduation. And we are excited about upcoming opportunities like the Student Environmental Action Showcase, where students will share innovative ideas to promote sustainability and make a meaningful impact in our community.
Before I close, I would also like to recognize our Transportation Department, which was recently featured nationally for its innovation and commitment to serve, logging millions of miles each year to safely bring our students to and from school. In every classroom competition and collaboration, we see what LCPS-- makes LCPS so special: students who are curious and driven, staff who go above and beyond, and a community that supports them every step of the way. And I would also like to share that I have appointed Dr. Rasheed, Rasheed to serve as co-chair of this committee.
Um, thank you. That concludes my report, and I'll pass over the floor to you, Co-Chair Tichrone. Uh, thank you, Co-Chair Chandler. Uh, Co-Chair Glass is unable to be here today, so as Vice Co-Chair on the Board, on the Board of Supervisors side, I am giving the Co-Chair's report. First, I would like to congratulate you on being elected Chair of the School Board and, by extension, Co-Chair of this committee. Congratulations. I also want to welcome our new committee members, Dr. Rasheed and Dina Griffiths. We look forward to working with
you on all, on continued advocacy for our students. Since the Joint Committee last convened in November, the Board of Supervisors has undertaken several actions that I wish to highlight. Perhaps most importantly, the board is in the process of concluding our budget, which is slated to be approved at our meeting on Tuesday, April seventh. We undertook several work sessions for the fiscal year twenty twenty-seven budget and kept the real estate property tax rate of eighty and a
half cents per hundred dollars in assessed value and successfully lowered the vehicle tax rate by fifteen cents to two ninety-four per hundred dollars in assessed value. Even with the tax reduction, we can provide several new positions to serve our residents and main-maintain the school board's full budget request. The Board of Supervisors did not fund a request from the sheriff's office to provide school resource officers in all elementary schools. However, the board did fund five additional school
resource officers and a sergeant to serve as floating SROs that be- can be used to backfill and cover vacancies at the middle and high schools. Also related in the budget, as part of the Board of Supervisors' fund balance allocations in January, the board used seventeen and a half million dollars to replenish the Loudoun County Public School Health Self-Insurance Fund and to replace several items at various schools. Two of the items on our committee's work plan the Board of Supervi-Supervisors has recently acted on include safe
passages to school-school's item. The board has begun reviewing the Loudoun's countywide transportation plan. This multi-year update on the plan will review several aspects of our transportation infrastructure that extend beyond vehicles, such as bicycle infrastructure, pedestrian safety, and other alternative modes of transportation. The Board of Supervisors' Transportation and Land U-Use Committee has also been exploring using county-owned land for attainable housing opportunities.
The committee recently had a presentation on an inventory of county land from our Department of Housing and Community Development. On our work plan remains the attainable housing on school property-- i-- on school properties, which will likely be presented in June. I look forward to that discussion. The county also continues to advocate before the State Corporation Commission on undergrounding power lines around Rock Ridge High School and Rosa Lee Carter as part of Dominion's Golden to Mars power line project.
The State Corporation Commission is currently reviewing testimony provided earlier this year. If undergrounding routes are not approved, our respective boards may need to work together to identify the best rou-- be-best above-ground route for the community.Finally, I am pleased to present a resolution from Virginia, from the Virginia Senate honoring former Broad Run School Board member, Ms. Leslie King. Look at this nice resolution. The resolution was sponsored a few years ago
by Senator Jennifer Boysko and was delivered to Supervisor Glass a couple of months ago. After connecting with Ms. King's children, it was the desire of her family to have the resolution housed here at the Loudoun County Public Schools administration building. Ms. King was elected to the school board in twenty nineteen and served from January twenty twenty until her death in August twenty twenty-one. She is remembered as a kind person who cared deeply for the students and staff in Loudoun County Public Schools.
So I'm glad to present that to, to you, Co-chair Vice Chan-- or Co-chair Chamlee. Thank you. Yep. Again, I look forward to working with you and, and, and build on our shared efforts to serve Loudoun County schools. So this is my report. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Co-chair. Um, with that, we'll move on to our information items. Tonight, our first information item is speed camera enforcement program in school zones. The purpose of this item is for the Leesburg Police Department to provide an update to the joint committee on the status of speed camera enforcement programs run by Lou- Leesburg Police Department
near certain Loudoun County Public School campuses in Leesburg. Um, tonight, this item will be presented, by, Mr. Rob Spano from the Leesburg Police Department, Justin Schumer from the Leesburg Police Department, Mr. Kevin Lewis from Support Services, and Mr. Scott Davies, also from Support Services. Welcome, gentlemen. The floor is yours. Uh, thank you. Yep. Uh, my name's, David Smith. I'm the Deputy Chief of Police for the town of Leesburg Police Department. So I was gonna primarily, present today and answer any questions that you may have about, our specific program. But, if you wanna go ahead and s- move to the next slide, we can go from there.
So, our schools or the school zone speed safety program is b- basically governed by two, two sections of, the Virginia State Code that were put in place here two years ago. So we implemented our program, this last beginning of this, this, this school year, at which of those two c- state code sections are at the top. And then our, town of Leesburg code, one of the, one of the, the key things as far as in, in, implementing any kind of program is that you have to pass a local ordinance. So town, the, town council had passed our ordinance,
which is just specific to, speed zones in, in school zones. So, it do-- The, the laws do allow for other avenues of enforcement, which include, I think it's on your agenda today as far as for stop arm, on passing of school buses and then also with, red lights. But at this time, right now, the town is, the only thing that we are doing is, the school zone spe- speeding. So I'm ready to move on. So, basically why our program was implemented, it mainly, concerns from the
community, m- concerns from, some of our, crossing guards at some of those locations. And then o- obviously, it's a, it's, it's, a manpower type thing too. So it enables us to do enforcement all the time as far as in the different school zones. So, we picked, we have, we have six cameras currently. We, basically three different school zones. One of the school zones is shared with two schools, which is the, our location there at Harbor Park Middle School, Tolbert and Tol- Tolbert Elementary School, which is one, one zone.
It's worked by the same group of crossing guards. Um, Balls Bluff Elementary School and then Loudoun County High School. Loudoun County High School was a location where we have, had notorious, issues as far as with speeding on Dry Mill Road coming into the town of Leesburg from Loudoun County. Um, so where the s- the speed limit drastically drops off from a very rural area into, right into town. So we've, we've had a lot of issues there. We've kinda picked, we picked our locations based on a number of different things. One of them, obviously, the traffic volume.
Um, we did a number of speed studies in those areas to kinda determine what we were looking at as far as the extent of the speeding problem, the amount of traffic, average vehicles were in there. And then also, we really wanted to get off on a good foot as far as where we picked these locations. So we wanted to pick locations where we knew that we had, pedestrian school traffic. Um, so m- the majority of the, majority of the locations are places where we have crossing guards, where we're, we're having children cross the road, which is not indicative of all school zones. So we tried to focus on that. So those are some of the main reasons of why we
picked where we picked. So, next slide, sir. So we started August twenty-first, which was the, the beginning of, beginning of school this last year. We did a thirty-day warning period, when we, when we went live as far as with the cameras. Um, that went to September twenty-first, and then in that time that we issued, almost thirteen hundred warnings as far as for speeding on those, six cameras, in, in that, one-month period. Move on. So this will kinda give you an idea of what we've done as far as since. Um, the, obviously the month, self-explanatory
of, of when we run the cameras. The, the, the data in March is only was kinda limited as far as the submission of this presentation. Uh, the number in par- parentheses there by the month is the actual number of school days. I know, like this winter, we had some, you know, I think we had school closed for one week at one point. So, anytime that there was a two-hour delay, things of those nature that certainly, threw off some of the, you know, targeted enforcement kinda things that we would kinda coordinate with.Um, so as you could see, September, 134
citations, and that was, only based on seven days. October, which really was the, the first month of it going live and we're actually issuing citations, obviously our highest number, nineteen school days, and we issued seven hundred and fifty violations in that time. Um, and then shortly thereafter, it starts kinda tapering off. Um, and then, with the next slide, you'll kinda see that, and I'll kinda speak a little bit more towards what, what, what we've seen. The, the, the first number there, obviously that's our twelve hundred, almost thirteen hundred warnings that occurred as far as in September.
And then you see a sharp drop-off to September, which is really more reflective of the seven school days that we actually had in September. And then starting in October, we've seen pretty much a steady decrease through current day, but it's fairly leveled off where we're, you know, in that four or five hundred violations, you know, per month kinda period, which is pretty indicative of every, every... From, from my research when we started talking about implementing and putting a program as far as in the town, is pretty-- The-- Everybody that I talked to across the commonwealth was,
for the most part, you're gonna see about a fifty percent decrease from year one to year two, from startup time as far as in, in, in violations, that are, that are occurring. So I'm, I'm ready for the next one. So this is basically kind of an overview of, of, of how the, how the camera actually works as far as on that graphic. Um, our cameras are positioned on the outside of the school zones, facing into the school zones. Um, it's very intentional. Um, it is basically to
capture the actual school zone warning lights. So our cameras capture not only still images, they capture video as well. So the point on having them on the outside is there's unquestionably, you can go back and watch the violation, and you can see that the lights are actually functioning, and, they're working as far as when the violator enters into the zone. So that was a primary reason for that. Um, the law changed this last year about that, that it kinda requires that or puts it, makes a requirement as far as on the municipalities
enforcing it to be able to show that the, the lights were actually in, in, in use or were working then. So having our cameras on the outside, there's clear video evidence, so when the violator or when the, the, the law enforcement officer is reviewing can actually watch the video, and you can see that the lights are indeed working. Um, it also takes two still images, which you'll see reflected there with the two red cars there. It's actually the same car. Um, we call it, you know, shot... It's like basically shot one and shot two. And what it does is it's, it's, it's a, it's used as a kind of a
verification as far as for the speed because the camera work captures those images at predetermined distances. And if we know the distance, and we know the, and we, f-from where the camera is or where it took it, it can verify the radar speed just to make sure it's accurate because we know how fast the, the, the, the, the, the car is able to move in between the two locations. So it's just kind of a double-check. Um, our system is a radar system. There are systems out there as far as that use laser. Um, we found and we did the research, and we like
the, the technology as far as with the radar above that. So that's how we ended up with, with, with what we have. Um, and those are our three, three locations. But basically, the way it works is when a, when a violation is captured, we contract the, the vendor that we use. The c-company's name is Verra Mobility that we're contracting with. So when our, when our violations come in, the first place that reviews them is actually the vendor. Um, their, the, the location where ours are, first reviewed is in Baltimore. They run a, a location there
where, operators t-basically review our violations, and they're looking for license plate verification. They're making sure that the, you know, the li- the license plate matches the vehicle as far as what it's, what it's, what it's showing and as far as in the images or in the video. Um, they're, you know, making sure there's like no glares, everything is re- everything is readable as far as on the violation. And then they're operating, they're begi- making decisions on what we call, business rules that we set up. So, you know, if, if a, if a fire truck with its lights on were to enter our school zone and
pass the camera, it's gonna automatically gonna be kicked out by the vendor before we ever see it. Um, so we have different rules, for different situations that come up. Maybe it's a police escort with a funeral. Maybe it's, you know, it, it, different situations like that. Um, and then once they do the first review, it'll come to the police department, electronically, and then, we have a staff member who reviews all those violations, and they double-check everything that is checked initially, as far as from, from our, from
our vendor. And then if we find everything in line, you know, we're reviewing the video evidence, we're reviewing the photographic evidence, we're matching that vehicle with that license plate, then we're communicating that information. We're endorsing that violation. It's going back to our vendor, and then our vendor is sending out the citation or if you-- the summons, the correct term as far as that time. But that's basically how the, the review process works on that. I'm ready. Um, this is what one of our cameras look li- look, looks like. Um, they're calibrated twice daily.
They do self internal checks. Um, they actually also, if for some reason, if there's a problem detected with one of the cameras, it shuts down. Um, our vendor's really good in the sense that if we have a problem with our camera, they're, they're, they're out within twenty-four hours, to come fix it, repair, get it back online, whatever the issue may be as far as with the camera. Um, like I said, it's still images, and it's, and it's also on video. And then also, they come out, and they take care of the calibration of what we need as far as for court, for court purposes as far as when it comes to prosecution if a violation were to come contested
later on.Um, these are our locations where we have them. Uh, Loudoun County High School, we run a camera on Dry Mill Road. It's one I referenced earlier. We run another camera on the other side of the school on Catoctin Circle, actually where the W&D crosses Catoctin Circle. Um, it's high pedestrian traffic right in that area. Uh, Balls Bluff Elementary School, kind of a notorious location for speed with constant communication with a crossing guard, at that location. Um, and, she's definitely very
thankful as far as of, of the cameras there in that location. I've li-- I've had lots of conversations there. Um, and then, our, our third location there is Harbor Park Middle School and Tolbert Elementary School. It's a f-four-lane road. Um, it's two schools right s-next to one another. So I thought it was a good opportunity where we could cover two schools with, with two cameras, where normally we'd just be able to cover one school with two cameras. So those are our six cameras in total. Um, those are our enforcement times. Um, basically, it's a, it's an hour per day per school. It's, you know, half an hour in the morning and a half an hour
as far as that afternoon, dismissal. So it's all based around arrival and dismissal time and just the times that obviously the lights are active. Um, the law does require, like, very conspicuous signage. Um, we'll take an opportunity just to say, I've worked very closely with Elizabeth Kratz here as far as with the schools. Um, as far as in surveying all our school locations and our zones, the very specific signs that need to be up, she was very instrumental in getting all those signs put up. I think her and I actually, when we-- her and I put that sign
up ourselves, and I remember it was August, and it was very hot when we put that sign up, so I thought it was very fitting to put that photo in there. Um, but we do have to have the, the s-the sign there on top of the pole, the school zone, speed photo enforced. That is one that's very specific to the law that, needs to a-advise motorists that that is what is occurring at that location. Move on. Um, like I, I explained, our cameras are only running at the time when the school zone lights are flashing. Um, that, you know, it's very-- that's, that's basically it.
The, the law is very specific to where the cameras can only be used for enforcement as far as for that. Can't use them for surveillance. We can't use them for any other kind of data collection purposes. Very specific laws about as far as data retention as far as on these things. Um, but yeah, that, that's it on that, sir. Um, so we do get, like I said, we-- there's a couple different levels of, review as far as on the violations. Um, they get rejected for, a number of different, situations, one of which weather-related school closures or
delays. So we're in constant communication. We obviously monitor what s-schools are doing, when it comes to, you know, school closures, holidays. All the holidays are loaded into the, loaded into the system ahead of time. As soon as the, those are made public, that w-the-- those are automatically taken out for any kind of holidays. Uh, weather-related, we always have to stay on top of that, and we're in communication with the vendor. Um, we get violations that'll kick, get kicked out for sun glare. As we obviously know, the sun's constantly moving. We're talking, you know, usually in the morning, as the sun's coming up,
different times of the day there or different, um... So we, you know, sometimes that'll have a tendency to, if we don't get a good image of the license plate or someone have an obscured license plate, a lot of times a violation will be kicked out for that. Um, same thing, a dirty license plate, glare. Um, and then also, but, one of, one of the things that we've recently noticed we didn't really until we started doing this was that we had a couple violations where literally the lights are coming on almost as the vi-as the violator is passing the sign. Um, so the camera can't quite, um... So we've had a couple of them as, that we've just, you know, gotten rid
of as we've just, you know, like I said, we're watching the video. We can tell momentarily. It's like as the people are approaching, the sign is not on. As soon as they pass the sign, it's on, and then they're getting, they're getting captured there on video. So, some of the reasons that some of them are kicked out. But like I said, there's a, there's, there's a couple levels or a couple different times that they're all reviewed. Um, and, so that's basically the way that works. You can move on. Um, I mentioned earlier sort of privacy and data retention. Um, law is very specific about what we can use the cameras for. We only use the cameras, you know, in, in accordance with the law, which
is strictly just for the speeding. Um, like I said, we don't use them for any kind of surveillance video or any of that, any-anything like that. Um, you know, the data is, as soon as the violation is dismissed, within two days, it's, it's purged of the system. Um, and then, once it's paid, it's gone within sixty days. So we don't have any way of going back to, to, to query the system to know, you know, who's received violations or anything. That's just sort of the interest of privacy and, and, and getting rid of the data. Um, so this is always a question that comes up is, is what if I wasn't driving my
vehicle, or someone else was driving my vehicle? So there's a couple different avenues as far as with that, one of which obviously the person can contest it, come to court. Um, they can testify in court to basically the fact that they weren't, they weren't, driving the vehicle. Another way is they can submit an affidavit. Actually, we'll go through our vendor. It can e-either go through the vendor or go through the court system. Um, through basically it's called a transfer of liability. So you're basically transferring the liability of the hundred dollar fine. All our violations are a hundred dollars, per our
ordinance. Um, and, you can transfer it to somebody else. You just need to p-provide that person's, you know, basically information, so we can forward the summons essentially, to them.Um, so it's just our QR code as far as to give you more, we're being very transparent as far as our other program. Um, I know we met here with the superintendent, before we started the program just to, just to talk a little bit about it and, this will kind of frequently a-ask questions. That'll be a link to our website. Um, but, you know,
purpose, obviously, en-encourage safe driving behavior, slow people down in our school zones. We've definitely seen it's had a positive impact as far as on our school zones. I feel not only just during the school times, I know myself as a motorist, even off duty, when anytime that I'm seeing these signs where there's cameras in use, I think we're overall, we're overall seeing a reduction in speed. Whether the lights on the-- are, are on the school zone or not, people are paying attention. C- it causes people to pay attention. It's having a positive effect as far as in our community. So it's, it's been very positive for us.
Um, like I said, we just in the infancy of it, we just started, you know, with our, with our three, three schools or really four schools or six cameras. Um, and then we're already looking at, expanding that to some additional, school zones, and we're just kinda trying to prio-prio-prioritize those basically by the, the, the pedestrian traffic, because there are some school zones where, quite frankly, children are not crossing the road. I mean, sure there's, you know, vehicle or traffic, you want people slowing down in those areas in general, but our priority has been the locations where the
children are actually crossing the roads as far as the slow motors. So, with, with that, I was just if-- I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody may have about it. Well, Deputy Chief Smith, thank you so much for the presentation. Oh, you're welcome. It's fascinating, and I apologize for not having your name, right on it. That's okay. agenda. I'm gonna blame him. It's my fault. It's his fault. Well, I appreciate your accountability. That's a lovely spirit. Thank you. Um, and with that, I'll open, the floor to committee members. Do you have any questions? Um, Supervisor Brisman? Oh, okay. Thank you. Um, so what was the
investment to set up the cameras and the contract costs? The, the, the investment was pretty no-- pretty minimal, quite honestly. Um, we pay, the town pays basically per camera per month. Mm-hmm. So, it's not prorated for number of violations. We pay, we pay a flat rate per camera. So the cameras are leased from the contractor? Uh, yeah. They take care of everything and, what, you know, I think what we're paying total is, what? Twenty... I'd say twenty-five. Yeah. Uh, thirty-one hundred dollars a month per camera.
And how many cameras? We have six. Six. Okay. So I can do the math, I suppose. Yeah. Um, and how much is a ticket? Uh, they're all a hundred dollars. They're all a hundred dollars? Yeah, they're a hundred dollars. The, uh- Is, is that standard for- It's, it's, it's pretty standard as far as across the Commonwealth. The m-- the, the law, the law mandates that it can't be any more than a hundred dollars. Oh, okay. I know some, some municipalities, will actually have like a kind of a step scale, you know, whether if you're, you know, ten to fifteen over, it's, you know, fifty dollars. If you're fifteen over, maybe it's a, you know, it's a hundred dollars.
Um- But we did straight one hundred I think. We just, you know- Okay. The, the town elected, the town elected, when we passed our ordinance, it was just a straight hundred dollars. And so it's paying for itself, I guess, essentially? It, it is, it is paying for itself. Um, it's, it-- yeah, it's, it's definitely paying for itself. Um, so I think, you know, what we're getting out of it is it's definitely, you know, worth the investment. Um, we're, we're on the positive side of it. It's not-- It's, but we're still kinda in the, in the infancy of it. Yeah. And I'm-- haven't really factored in-- Like, we did, we,
we have one full-time, or not full-time, he's a part-time staff member that's reviewing them. So it's kind of an unknown going into it. Oh, I see. Like, um- Okay. How much time? Because the, the law was very specific about it, and it has changed in the time that we've been doing it. It was very specific i-initially to where the violations had to be reviewed by a sworn law enforcement officer. Since that time, the law has changed to where now, as long as you're a retired law enforcement officer and then retired in good standing, you could, you could, you could review the summonses as far as on
behalf of the police department. Okay. Um, and, you probably won't be able to answer this question. It might be Lieutenant Colonel Sawyer or Mr. Hemstreet. But, do I-- I, I heard you say it was a local option, per the General Assembly, correct? It was- It's, it's- It's a local option that the locality would have to- Well, the muni-- if the municipality elects to participate in it or do it, they need to pass a local ordinance. Right. Right. So we passed a- So it's a local- The town council passed a- Right, right. Yeah ...a, a, basically a town ordinance to address the speed. So is that why LCSO is not doing it in the bigger part of the county?
Because we haven't taken up the local option to write the ordinance to, to do it? Sure. Sure. So, ch-- if I could, co-chair, Chair Brisman, I mean, Supervisor Brisman, the, the state code actually only allows the State of Virginia or the local law enforcement agency to implement the program. O-okay. The town council. So, so then y- do I understand LPD then wrote the ordinance, and then the town council had to approve it? Right. Yes. So it would have to be initiated by LCSO. That's the only way it can happen if we wanted to have it in the rest of the
county? Yes. Okay. Okay. Has-- Have, have there been any discussions about doing it in the rest of the county? Maybe, maybe Colonel Sawyer could come up. Yeah. Yeah. Do, do we allow Colonel Sawyer to come up? Can he come up and maybe- Are you willing to, Lieutenant Colonel Sawyer? Are you-- Thank you I'm not sure if I'd be for or against it. I'm just asking. Thank you. Um, so yeah, I can talk to this. So we have discussed it in the sheriff's office. Uh-huh. At this point, we have opted not to pursue it, not because we don't have speeding in school zones. We, we do, and we do enforcement for that, but because we believe that it can change the dynamic and the feel of a
community and just traffic. We have so many schools across Loudoun County, that to pop up speed cameras in all these different places- Yeah ... would impact even the way that our communities feel for as people drive through. So what we have opted for is, is physical enforcement of speed violations. Um, so and I, I will talk about stop arm cameras and how that's a little bit different. Um, but the hands-on, speed enforcement, so for example, a deputy that sits in a median- Right, right. Yeah ... or on the side of the road, they can effectively run speed enforcement, and we
do s- speed enforcement in the school zones. Um, and we have preferred that over automated, systems. Okay. And does LCPS have a preference, or are you guys agnostic on whether you would prefer the, the automatic or the cruisers? Thank you, Supervisor Brisman. Generally speaking, we don't get involved in traffic enforcement- Okay. ... so we take the lead from the law enforcement. Probably a smart thing. Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you. Thank you. Um, co-chair- To crowny. To crowny. I know it's hard, right? You have so many roles. I'm just trying to keep them straight. That's right. So, thank you for that presentation.
I guess what, what really, caught my interest is, your requirement that there be a, the presence of a pedestrian, crossing, uh- It, it wa- really wasn't a reque- it wasn't, wasn't a, it wasn't a requirement. It's just that we s- we, we knew when, when we started this that, you know, there was... We, we didn't wanna... I guess we were testing the waters, right? And so we wanted to, kinda prioritize our school zones and trying to look at, like, really, like, where we were having problems, where we were having, you know...
And, you know, we kinda thought the best way to leverage that was that we wanted to, th-th- or leverage the resource was to put it someplace where we knew that, you know, we had a high volume of children crossing the road. Yeah. And I, and I would say I think that makes sense 'cause we've, we've had, a few fatalities unfortunately in some of the crosswalks near schools, so I know pedestrian safety, you know, has to be a priority for sure. And, and, I, I, I hear Colonel Sawyer, but sometimes it's difficult. You know, how many, how many schools do we have?
I think it's, like- A hundred. A hundred? Yeah. Um, and I don't know how many have, are walking schools. How many are walking? 'Cause I know we have some that are not walking. And I should have that number off the top of my head, but I don't. But I think there's at least one and maybe two schools that are completely walk zones. Oh, okay. Completely. Interesting. Very interesting. Okay. So yeah. So you were thinking about expanding to other schools that, are- Yeah ... have a lot of walkers, correct? Yeah. Well, we're doing... We're, you know, like I s- One, one of the things we talk about is obviously there's three different kinds of, you know, enforcement
that you can do fo- you know, per state law. One, you know, one is the speed in the school zones. Um, or you can do speed in the construction zone as well. Um, you can also do, you know, the passing of a school bus with a stop arm, which I think- Mm-hmm ... Lieutenant Colonel Sawyer is here to talk about. Um, but and then you can do photo red light enforcement. So, and our, our, you know, analysis is it's, it's been, it's been very effective as far as for us. Um, so we're, you know, like I said, for the most part, it's been cost neutral. Um, so what we're getting out of it is, you know, better compliance
as far as in slowing people down in our school zones. Mm-hmm. So, we've been successful. We really wanted to, go through these first kinda round of challenges as far as in court because we're the f- we're, we're the first ones in Loudoun County to, to do any of this kind of enforcement, so it took a little bit of work as far as, you know, and a little bit of education as far as with our judges and our clerks and how this was gonna work in court, and we wanted to make sure it was gonna be supported. Um, so we didn't wanna go, you know, completely in. Um, so now as it's, we've been, we've
been successful, so we're gonna look at expanding to some additional schools and, potentially some, look, look at, we'd have to go back and redraft our ordinance, but, look at some, red light enforcement as well at some of our more dangerous intersections that we have. And you... Is that in school zones or outside of school zones? Uh, those would be, tho- those are not necessarily tied just to specific schools. Um, we, we, we, we would mo- we would be basing decisions on, on our intersections just based on crash data as far as for red light violations.
And is that part of the same code, 46? It is. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So it's, um- Red light, red light cameras? Okay. Um, that's... Yeah. And, like I said, the, also work zone cameras as well. Yeah, I knew that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you. I really appreciate- Uh, you're welcome ... the information you provided. Is it thirty-one hundred a month or thirty-one hundred a year? I think thirty-one hundred per month. A month? Oh. Can you ask that question again? Okay. Sorry. For a point of clarification, could you please confirm for us what the cost per month per camera was? Uh- Thirty-one per year. Yeah. I think we're pay- we're paying approximately thirty-one hundred dollars
per camera per month. Thank you for that. That's expensive. Okay. And then, yes, Mrs. Griffiths. I just had a, a question about repeat offenders, people that are ticketed or receive a citation more than once. Um, how would you handle something like that? I think you mentioned it's a hundred dollars per ticket. I'm sorry, what? Uh, repeat offender- Yeah, I know. I, I understood that. I thought you heard- You said it was $100. It, it is. It's $100 per, per offense, per occurrence. But what if you have a repeat offender? It's $100. We've had s- we've... I would s- It's... We've had, we've had several that are, that are,
that are, I don't want to call them frequent, but, that have received more than one. Are you good? Mrs. Griffis, are we all set? Yeah, we are. Okay. Um, Dr. Rashid. Thank you, and my apologies for walking in late. I had my own little motor vehicle accident, but, but I'm, but I'm glad I'm here. I'm in, I'm in safe hands. Um, and I'm... I apologize if you had already maybe mentioned this earlier today, but is there any other complementary measures that are implemented near the cameras or near the cameras that are anticipated? For example, speed humps, something like that, an- any of that was evaluated- Um, so we- ... in those areas? Several, several of our locations that we, you know, we, we
have, uh... Uh, the one that stands out in my mind is the one on Dry Mill Road. Actually, before they enter the school zone, we have what's... The, the town has a lot of driver feedback signs, which are basically radar signs. It'll show you what the posted speed limit is and how fast you're com- you're coming as you're approaching those. So, that's, I think that's the only one off the top of my head. I know that it could be... Oh, I know Battlefield Parkway has several driver feedback signs along it to give peop- to give driver feedback as far as what their speed is. Um, so the town has a lot of driver feedback
signs. Some of those are in and around those school zones. Um, but like I said, we worked really diligently as far as with LCPS, like, when we started this to make sure that all our school, school zones were marked accordingly as far as up to VDOT standards and all the signage were there because there's a lot of required signage just for a school zone, outside of photo enforcement that needs to be there. And like, as I mentioned, Elizabeth Crafts and her office was, was very instrumental as far as in coming out and surveying those locations.
And then the school's been very supportive as far as in, making sure that, you know, those costs are funded to get those school zones up to par as far as... 'Cause we just wanted to make sure it was right. Uh, I mean, I wanted to, wanted to feel good about the enforcement that what we were doing and make sure that, you know, all the signage was there in place of what was needed. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh, Supervisor Bresman. Yeah, just to, just to follow up one more time. So basically, if it's thirty-one hundred a month per camera, there's six cameras, so that's thirty-six thousand dollars a month roughly.
I think it's, yeah, 20 some odd... Yeah, it's 20 some odd thousand. I think six times three is 18. So really, I think we're t- about somewhere around, around twenty-one thousand dollars a month. Oh, tw- okay. So about twenty-one thousand a month, but- Yeah. We're about twenty thousand dollars a month for our six cameras to run our cameras. Okay. I'm, I did the math wrong. And that includes, like I said, maintenance. It's, everything- And you have a part-time staffer. We, we have one part-time staff- So then it, it can't be revenue neutral if you did twenty-eight hundred summons, 'cause that's only tw- No, we're, no, we're, we're... It, uh... When you figure out, what the cost as far as for us to run the program,
paying for the cameras, paying for the, paying for their salary, y- I mean, we're coming out on the positive side of it. We're not losing money as far as on the cameras. I think if you... A little more. Do you have any more info as far as on- On the figures? Yeah, revenue. Sure. Or... So, but- You can ask Lieutenant Penn- But if it was twenty-eight hundred summons, then that's only twenty-eight thousand for the year, but you're paying twenty thousand a month for the- Two hundred and eighty. Sorry? Uh, no, twenty... two hundred and eighty thousand? Oh, okay. Thank you. See? Now- That's what I thought. Okay. Okay. But yeah, no, we are- So you are on the positive side. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we are. We're on the positive side. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. I, I d- see? I need someone to do the math for me. All right.
Thank you. That's why I'm a police officer, not good at math. Um, well, Deputy Chief Smith, thank you so much for the presentation. I, I find it to be a very engaging idea, and I would like to watch the data as it progresses more to see... I mean, it, it feels at first blush as if you're seeing behavior change in the community, which I think is very positive. Um, especially a- as someone who represents a very high population area where, we have seen some impacts on students this year, as well as the devastating, incident that happened in Ashburn.
Um, anything that comes forward that could possibly, change behavior and cause people to, to slow down is appreciated. I know in our neighborhood they... Like, there are several schools that are on Algonquin Parkway, which is often very flippantly referred to as the Algonqu- Algonquin Motor Speedway, because it is a cut-through that's utilized by many who probably don't even live in Loudoun County that are commuting through, because it's seen as a way to alleviate traffic on 7. Um, but it is... It's something in our community that I think a lot of,
citizens have concerns about, and I, for one, would be happy to see, as you collect more data, how the program is working, because it does seem to be a positive indicator for change. Yeah. And definitely all your concerns kind of factored into some of the decision-making. Like I'd mentioned, the Dry Mill Road, same thing. Route 7 gets backed up from Purcellville, Round Hill, coming in towards Leesburg. Everybody bails off onto Dry Mill Road and tries to come into town to circumvent to get to back on Route 7 or the toll road. So that was one of the historic locations we've always, you know...
And, and, and quite frankly, every day you can't honestly have an officer there. So, this way we know it's, you know, it's, it's doing the b- doing the best we can with what we have and trying to maximize our resources. Well, thank you so much for the presentation. It was very impactful. Uh, I appreciate hearing, your, um-Feedback today, and, thank you so much for being here. And with that, we will move on to information item number, or four point O two, the Stop Arm Camera Enforcement program on school buses. Uh, the purpose of this item is for the Loudoun County Public School
staff to update the Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee on the status of its partnership with the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office to implement a Stop Arm Camera Enforcement program on school buses. And today, I see we're joined, by Lieutenant Colonel, Colonel Sawyer and Sergeant Bressler. Wel-welcome. Um, the floor is yours. Sorry. Co-chair Chandler. We will, turn the microphone over to the sheriff's office for their presentation and provide the information. Mr. Davies and I are here to answer any questions we may have. Thank you for that clarification. All right, good afternoon. I'm pleased to present on, the status of one of
several safety-related is- initiatives the LCSO is collaborating on with LCPS, and that is a Stop Arm Camera Enforcement program. Um, we all know that the ability for students to safely load and unload is critical. Virginia law requires drivers to stop for school buses that stop to load or unload students, and buses are equipped with flashing red lights and stop signs to signal that drivers must stop. Traditional enforcement of these violations is challenging for several reasons. Um, first of all, the buses are on a path, stopping once at each location.
It's logistically difficult for deputies to stay ahead of bus routes and observe violations, and if the deputies follow the buses and a violation occurs, they then have to also pass the school bus, which is not a good, solution. Virginia law allows localities to adopt a county ordinance that allows the school division to equip buses with equipment that records the violation and sends it to law enforcement for individual review and action. Very similar to what you heard, from Leesburg about the speed cameras. This review, will occur by deputies assigned to the traffic unit of the Loudoun
County Sheriff's Office. Um, and we're not currently asking for any additional positions, as we wanna first monitor the workload to see if it's sustainable with current staff or additional positions will be needed in the future. Idealistically, there would be no violations because everybody would follow the law as it, relates to this, and this would just be a good preventative measure. But unfortunately, history tells us that violations will occur. If a violation occurs, there's a civil penalty of two hundred and fifty dollars that is set in Virginia law. Um, as a civil violation, it does not count as points on a driver's license or
impact insurance rates, and there's an appeal process through the court system if a driver wishes to contest the ticket. Uh, other localities that have installed similar devices have reported over ninety percent of cited drivers don't repeat the behavior. Regarding the current process where this stands, we've worked collaboraty-- collaboratively with the Loudoun County Attorney's Office and are in final review of a draft county ordinance that will be scheduled for review by the Board of Supervisors in the near future. We're also working with the incorporated towns, across Loudoun County for similar ordinances to be adopted so that enforcement can also
occur within, those towns. We believe, this is a great opportunity for collaboration to enhance the safety of LCPS students, and we're hopeful to have the program operational for the next school year. Um, and kinda as we, as we anecdotally have talked about this, speeding in school zones is definitely dangerous. Passing school buses with their stop sign out is insanity. Um, and I mean, it is, it, I-- The fact that it, it even occurs, is, is just wild. Um, and so we, we believe this is a, a great initiative, to help stop those violations.
And with that, I'd be happy to take any questions. Well, thank you so much, gentlemen, for the presentation. And with that, I'll open the floor to questions. Co-chair Tocher- Tocconi. Um, thank you, Co-chair Chandler. Uh, and thank you Lieutenant, Lieutenant Colonel Sawyer, Sawyer. Do you have, um... How many citations have been recorded that you know of, countywide? So it's a great question. Thank you. Um, so as of last year, we issued thirty-six citations for passing stopped school buses. We know anecdotally, LCPS does a great job kinda tracking some of the anecdotal things reported by bus drivers. It is much higher.
So when I talked about the logistical challenges of actually being able to enforce this, that's one reason why those numbers are low. The number of violations that are occurring, that are occurring is significantly higher than that. Um, but as far as, violations that we have been able to directly observe, pull someone over for, and cite was thirty-six last year. Wow. Okay. And, would Loudoun County Public Schools be putting the cameras on, installing them on the buses? 'Cause I know you, you take care of the transportation. Yes, ma'am. So the, the process for that would be, we would anticipate an
MOU of sorts with the sheriff's department to, to learn the responsibilities of that. But the buses would be... They're obviously belong to LCPS, so the cameras, we would d-do a joint procurement process that we would start once we get this moving forward and have all those parameters. So it would likely be a third-party vendor that would put them on, and we would go th-- we would start that process. So we don't have any definites on what types of, contracts are out there, but we would be looking for that, and then have that ownership of the cameras in a partnership with the sheriff's office. Okay, great. Does the Board of Supervisors have to approve your,
codified ordinance, or is that just the sheriff's office who does that? No, so the ordinance would come before the Board of Supervisors. Oh, interesting. So we would be asking for an addition, a new county ordinance, to be added to chapter, I believe, four hundred and sixty-six of Loudoun County ordinances. Okay. But it w-- no, additional costs. Are, are you thinking you'll need, funding with it? So the system itself would be operated, installed and operated by Loudoun County Public Schools. Right. So as far as any cost for the system, that would be on the, on the school division side. We are anticipating a workload, from deputies that are assigned to our traffic unit in the review process, which is
substantially similar to what you heard, with the, the speed, violations. But without knowing exactly what that workload and those things are, we're not asking for any additional resources at this point. Okay. Thank you for that. Thank you. Supervisor Brisman. Thank you. Yeah, just reading that it's revenue neutral, so that's nice. Um, I apologize if I missed this in your presentation, but are you proposing that you start with a limited number, like a pilot, and then expand it? Or are we just gonna do every bus every...
I don't even know how many buses- Sure ... we have, actually. So I'll defer to LCPS. I know there is a plan for rollout. Oh, okay. Um, but it is largely driven by the school system. Thank you. Sure. So we have over seven hundred buses. Not all of them run every day, so there's- Okay ... five hundred and fifty, five hundred and sixty routes that we run every day. And so those would be done in a process that would take a while to put in. So that's part of what I was referring to earlier, is we're not sure about the procurement process and what contracts are available, but we would have to work with vendors on a timeline to put all that together. Gotcha. So do you think
next school year or later? Um, next school year would be fantastic. I can't say that that's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. On certainly the entire fleet, I can't imagine that would be the case. But we could, you know, as soon as we get the, the process done, the ordinance done and, and permission to do so, then we can begin the solicitation process and deal with vendors on what their timelines would be. Have we... Ha-have, I'm sure you have, but, have you seen this, sort of operation be successful in other jurisdictions, other school systems across the country? Uh, yes, ma'am. Uh, Fairfax County has recently rolled out-
Okay ... a, a, a limited pilot program of, stop arm cameras. Montgomery County to our north, has employed that on e- their entire fleet, as well as Prince George's Cou-County- Oh, wow ... in Maryland. I also believe that, Prince William County is beginning the same process. Okay. And, Virginia... But elsewhere in Virginia, Virginia Beach City also has, stop arm cameras on their pr- on their, buses as well. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Look forward to the implementation. Thank you. Um, Co-Vice Chair Rasheed. Thank you so much. Thank you. Um, and, and thank you for the information.
It's really helpful. Um, did you say repeat offenders are declining over time? Or is it... Are they increasing? So, the data that we have shows that in the places where they are running this system, that r- that once someone is cited one time, they generally do not repeat. Okay. So- That's good, I guess. It is two hundred and fifty dollars. That, like... That's a significant way to remind someone to not do that. That's awesome. And then, do the stop arm cameras, do they get or they're intended to be rotated? And if so, how frequently would they be rotated in different areas, or are they gonna be stationary? So again, I would defer to the schools.
I believe they are fixed on a bus, and everywhere that bus goes, that ca- that system goes. Yeah. That is correct. They would be i-implemented on each bus, and so we would have conversations if we're gonna do a rollout of that. Would pic-pick certain areas that may have the highest level of, possible infractions and, and pick the spot and put them in, and they would be attached to that particular bus. And so we would have those, there and then roll out to a- the entire fleet as, as we went through the process. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you, gentlemen, for the presentation. Thanks for being here this evening. That's very informative. Um, and then with that, we'll move on to our last information item for this
evening, the Joint Committee Rules of Order and Mission is item number 4.03. Uh, the purpose of this item is to provide the joint committee information on the rules of order and the mission of the joint committee, as stipulated by the board of supervisors and the school board in their rules of order and policy, respectively. Um, this item will be presented by Mr. Jones and Dr. Bergen. Um, gentlemen, the floor is yours. Sure. Thank you, Co-Chair Chandler. And so really, we wanted to make sure... Supervisor, Glass wanted to make sure that we share with you all, an opportunity to review, the rules of order for
the board of supervisors. Actually provides the structure and guidance for the joint committee, and it's reviewed annually. And so we just wanted to make sure that since there's a, a bit of a new makeup to the committee, that you all had a chance to take a look at those, rules that sort of guide the, the committee. We didn't have a formal presentation for you, unless there were additional questions. But we wanted to make sure you had this information for moving forward. Okay. Um, are there any questions from the committee? Um, yes. I d- Supervisor Brisman. No questions, just a comment. I, I th- and I think most folks are aware I won't be able to be at the September 10th meeting, 'cause that's my
Sorensen weekend for that month, so I won't be there. Thank you. Thank you for letting us know. Any further questions? All right. Well, thank you so much for that information item, and now we'll move on to our action item number 5.01, the 2026 schedule of meetings. Uh, the purpose of this item is to confirm the 2026 meeting schedule for the joint committee. Um, this will be also presented by Mr. Jones and Dr. Bergen. All right. Thank you, Co-Chair. So, part of the reason that we have this before you is previously, the committee, lost a bit of time figuring out what your schedule would be for the new calendar year. And so we wanted to make sure that we started this meeting off in
March with the calendar that you all will use for the rest of the year. So this simply presents to you the dates for the remainder of your meetings for the rest of calendar year 2026. So you have June twenty-- June 1st, 2026, September 10th, and then November 16th are the meetings that we have proposed for you all, for your meetings going forward, so. Okay. That's great. Um, well, given that this is an action item, is there a motion? Are there any further questions?I
think it... Do you want the Yeah. Okay, I can make it. Okay. Okay, I move that the Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee recommend to the Board of Supervisors and the School Board that the committee meet as described in the March 23rd, 2026, Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee meeting action item. Okay. I have a motion by Vice Chair ch-- or Co-Chair Tecrogi. Is there a second? Second. Uh, thank you. Vice Chair Rasheed, has seconded the
motion. Um, is there any discussion? Nope. Seeing no discussion- No ... let's move forward with a voice vote. Um, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Um, so the motion passes with all four members present of the joint committee, and Mrs. Griffiths absent for the vote. I have a motion. All right. Then we can move on to our, uh- Additions and deletions ... additions and de-- Yeah, final item of the evening, item number six, point oh one-- or six point oh one, request for additions and deletions to the work plan. And the purpose of this is to determine what we'll be
working on at the next meeting or for the remainder of the meetings for the year. So Co-Chair Chandler, yes. So we just have a couple of items for you to make some adjustments to the work plan. Mm-hmm. As a, a new committee with a new com-- makeup, sometimes you will poll your members just to see if there are additional items. But additionally, during your June meeting, if you all wanna take some additional time to talk about topics that you may wanna schedule for the quarter three and quarter four, that's where times you can have more substantive conversation. But this evening, you just have the two adjustments,
that Supervisor Tecrogi has. Okay. And to that end, is there a motion? Yes. Yes. Thank you, Co-Chair Chandler. And this is, from Supervisor Glass, so I am gonna give this motion for Supervisor Glass. I move that the Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors and School Board add winter twenty twenty-six to twenty twenty-seven school removal in Loudoun County Public Schools' walk zones and at Loudoun County Public Schools' bus stops as an
item in- to the joint committee's work plan for twenty twenty-six. I further move that the Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors and School Board remove land matrix committee activities update as an item to the joint committee's work plan for twenty twenty-six. Thank you. I have a motion by Co-Chair Tecrogi. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Vice Chair-- Co-Vice Chair Rasheed. Mm-hmm. Um, with that, is there any discussion- Is your microphone on? Oh, thank you. Is there any discussion on the
motion? I, I can give- Oh, yes ... a little something, yeah. Um, yeah, we're, we're adding, snow removal in walk zones and at bus stops to review the response from the ice storm earlier this year. The county has a codified ordinance for the removal of snow and ice. The ordinance requires property owners who abut sidewalks to clear them in a certain period of time or a fine can be issued. Given the magnitude of snow and ice that wound up on limited number of sidewalks and crosswalks, county staff
assisted Loudoun County Public Schools with snow removal. So, we just thought we'd discuss that item. And then the land matrix committee activities update is being proposed for removal because that committee no longer meets, is my understanding. This committee was active when Loudoun County Public Schools was buying land for new schools, and as of right now, there are no plans to purchase new land or build new schools. If that changes, this can be added back into the work plan. Thank you, Co-Chair Chandler.
Thank you, Co-Chair Tecrogi. All right. Any further discussion? No. Okay. Seeing no further discussion, we'll move forward with the vote. Um, with that, I will repeat the motion. So, the motion was made by Co-Chair- Co ... Tecrogi- S- ... to move that the Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors and School Board add winter twenty twenty-six, twenty twenty-seven snow removal in the LCPS walk zones and at LCPS bus stops as an item to the joint committee's work plan for twenty twenty-six, and, further move that the
Joint Board of Supervisors and School Board Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors and School Board remove the land matrix committee activities. Um, the motion was seconded by Vice Chair Rasheed. Co- Co-Chair Chandler? Uh, yes. Excuse me. I just wanna, make a clarification for you. Um, based on Supervisor Tecrogi's comments, as you were discussing, the motion, would you like to consider changing winter twenty twenty-six, twenty twenty-seven to winter twenty twenty-five and winter twenty twenty-six? Because the comments Supervisor Tecrogi made were about what
happened last year, and any improvements you make going forward, suggestions would go to another school year. So twenty twenty-five, twenty twenty-six is the correct- All right. Okay, sure. Your point is well taken. Yes. Thank you. Um, thank you, Mr. Jones. Thank you for clarifying. Okay. So, for the record, we'll- Accept the friendly. No. I accept. Yes, we'll acce- we'll accept a friendly. And the motion will reflect, twenty twenty-five to twenty twenty-six. Okay. Um, would you like me to restate the motion? No. No? Okay. Everybody's good? That's it. All right. Thank you. And with that, let's move forward with a vo-- a voice vote.
Um, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Um, hearing none opposed, all four members of the committee who are present, voting yes, the motion passes with Mrs. Griffiths absent for the vote. And, uh- Supervisor Glass. And Supervisor Glass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, thank you for that clarification. Um, s- is there any further business? All right. Seeing no further business, the March twenty-third, twenty twenty-six meeting of the Joint Committee of the Board of Supervisors and School Board is now adjourned. Thank you for your work, and please drive home
safely.