e e e e e e k burin um if I could those name tags so I can see who everybody is terrible with
names thank you so much um since last we met in this forum uh we have had three separate meetings uh to discuss all the four sections of the
mfp uh many of you attended and I wanted to thank you for that a lot of um learned a lot from all of that and I also wanted to thank uh Miss Bono for taking all of her time to do that it was
very informative um it's still a lot to inest but it it was very informative so uh thank you all for being here and uh get this meeting rolling roll call fore Mr Burkin here Dr Brumley here miss
champagne Mr Clon has a proxy Mr Faulk here miss Conway Dr Corville Senator Edmonds Mr Irwin here Mr Harris here
Miss Hughes has a proxy Miss Watts here Mr holl Dr King Miss lur Dr Mills has a proxy Miss Johnson here Mr Morris here Miss
Parker Dr poo has a proxy Miss Nelson Dr Pope here miss posie has a proxy Mr Baker here Dr procopio Miss RoR here representative
schel Miss sharai Miss Trish has a proxy Miss Arab is that correct okay I'm sorry doctor uh Dr Walker Mr
Buel Miss Patrick Dr Riley Miss Whitney here we do not have a forum so one of the things in the bylaws is that um proxies are not considered for
the quum uh and cannot vote so might be something that we need to look at at our next meeting so just yes sir
many three so we needed 15 we have 12 but we have five proxy six five or six proxy six six six proxies so we would have been well with them so we might need to look at
that at the next meeting can't do it now but we'll have to look at it at the next Mee anyway um item one consideration of a discussion regarding recommendations for the 2025 2026 mfp form I have a motion
please M second Mr Harris okay turn it over to Dr Brumley thanks Mr Burkin uh I want to Echo uh Mr Buren's comments around appre appreciation for everyone for coming to
a series of uh discussions around the mfp I know Caroline RoR you've said many times we need to be talking about it a little more and uh over the course of the year I know Mr buron called together everyone I think four times is that right three to to have discussion about
mfp and so I know that was a time commitment for every one so I just want to say thank you um I'll just uh go straight into kind of where the department is uh for this year's recommendation um we'll pass these around I know we don't have a forum to
to vote but we can at least have some discussion so to to put it uh in its most simple form uh We've simply aligned the uh recommendation to the
governor's executive budget and so the governor's executive budget holds uh funding constant in the base um but it does add for fre specific items that are uh funded in this year's executive
budget but not as part of this year's mfp but what we are doing here is aligning this mfp recommendation to Bessie into this task force around the governor's recommendation so it holds base uh constant um with employee pay it
does provide for the 17.5 million for differentiated compensation as a reminder uh that goes out in the form of a block grant to leas leas can use that for uh critical shortage areas as identified by Bessie presently those are
K12 special education um high school math uh High School science um the other area is for economically disadvantaged uh schools meaning that they serve a community I think that's 90% or greater economically uh disadvantaged the third
area is for Teacher leadership uh teachers that are taking on mentoring responsibilities uh and then the fourth uh component of the differentiated pay is performance pay or Merit pay for teachers with uh highly effective evaluation so we've aligned this request
17 .5 million with what the governor has already included in his executive budget um the next is for Workforce Development uh we have included 2 million that can be used for apprenticeships and internships and uh this too is already
included in the governor's executive budget um it does go a long way in terms of the work that we're trying to do around work based learning throughout uh the state so we're happy to include that as well there is a factor where where um
U apprenticeships internships in rural communities have a higher weight than those in urban Andor Suburban communities just because we recognize the need around Transportation uh in rural communities uh and then the third piece has to do with tutoring um you
know last year legislation passed from Senator mcmah that called for every kid in grades K5 that was not proficient uh in their academic content reading and math to go uh tutoring uh we were able to secure $30 million that was to block
grant uh provided form of block grants to leas and uh in this year's executive budget the governor provided for 30 million again and so we're simply including that two money uh into the into the uh mfp do want to also go on
record just um thanking the governor and his team uh for including these priorities uh in the executive budget making sure that they are there uh and we have simply aligned our recommendation with the governor's executive budget um if there are
technical questions um you know Beth and I are happy to answer entertain them uh but Mr Burton that concludes my recommendation thank you discussion yes
on the uh differentiated compensation uh superintendent it says here the number of teachers in the object so had that number gone down or going up um at the last count the staff and
count we just completed it went up just slightly yes so that impacts the amount of money that can be distributed that way if you remember uh Mike um two years ago we
were able to get um 25 million in the budget for the first time um and then last year they didn't keep the they bumped it to 172 for various reasons um and so all we're doing here is well I should say also and then this
year they kept it at the 17 and a half and then the tutoring is is just the same amount there's no increase so the I guess the question is how many of the districts
utiliz online tutoring as opposed to 10 to I don't know if we have a specific report around that but I know that what we have provided is um guidance that it could be any of the above so you know some systems are are uh adjusting the
way in which they staff classes some are doing contract work some are employing college students some are doing synchronous or asynchronous uh tutoring so you know we didn't want to say it has to be a particular way um we just wanted to provide the be a part of providing
the funding and provide support one of our regional superintendent meetings and I'll say let me add to that to my coach y but one of the things that really matters on the online piece is the develop I mean the develop relationships between the vendor and the school
systems some school systems have really great relationships with some uh online providers and some have struggled with their online providers and what what I find interesting too is sometimes I have conversation with a school system and they have a a great partnership with an
online provider and then you go down the road a few miles and the school system with the same provider doesn't have that type of relationship so that is brought out as the superintendent advisory one of our regional meetings they asked the superintendent asked if
some consideration could be given to opening up an Avenue of retired teachers to be able to help because the 4:1 ratio makes it tough in smaller
districts to find a certified teacher and stuff like that so that that's one of the things that they had asked uh after that superintendent's advisor Council and I thought that was a great question and we have that on our list to check on legislatively uh Katherine's
here she may have something to say about that but I I do think the more you know retired teachers that we can make eligible to offer and then compensate them as a you know as a worthy Pursuit so we are that is on our list that we're working through anyone just yeah same topic uh
on the differentiated compensation um supery the last number last estimate I had was that we were still still had a th000 teacher vacancies in the state is that PA Park where we at that's about right I mean we went from 2500 to like
1300 are around a th000 so we'll have we'll have a new number uh soon but right now give or take a th000 right and and we've got data to support that the differentiated pay has helped us to close that Gap yes sir all right so my understanding is last time that we had
this discussion the initial number you put on the table is 25 million and and that was compromised to 17 a half um so the concern I have is that even if we I have two concerns so one even if we even when we get to the point to where we close the VAC Gap we have zero vacancies
my understanding is we're still going to have for example uh certified uh English language teachers that are teaching math because we don't have a certified math teacher in the school so we'll still have people teaching out of out of subject expertise or certification um so we still have quite
a ways to go and we demonstrated that this does help to close that Gap um so I'm concerned about that and then secondly my concern is that I have personal experience personal knowledge where um we've outsourced dozens of uh
engineering jobs to other countries because we don't have those those disciplines in state we don't have the skill labor in state so I'm I think we're all confident that the infrastructure the manufacturing infrastructure south of I 10 is is you
know in excess of several trillion dollars and it's going to be here for a long time but I'm not so confident that we're going to have Louisiana uh citizens uh filling those jobs um if we don't have chemistry
teachers in high school if we don't have Math teachers in high school um then those students aren't going to pursue those career paths and so that that's a concern that I have going forward is how our Louisiana citizens going to uh operate facilities that that we have in
the state for the years ahead of us if we don't address this concern and get the uh specifically the math and the uh in the chemistry teachers in our in our schools well I think you know we need to always be considering you know lifting
the base pay of every teacher uh I know there's an item that will be considered uh at the at the polls soon around that um but beyond that you know looking at opportunities to contract staff looking at opportunities around AI looking at
differentiated compensation I was I was in a couple of school systems recently and a superintendent shared that they were using their portion of that for Math teachers to try and close the gap specifically with Math teachers I was uh having a conversation with a different different superintendent that was sharing that they were using it for
merit pay to try and retain their highest perform so I think it's important that we provide those boxes where use it for what you need to use it within your system as long as you're being strategic and slice in vacancies and I agree with you I mean
the infrastructure that's in place around you know petrochemical but also moving toward LG uh even more so I think it's important around these STEM related FS that we make sure we're doing all we can to have those teachers uh and while a big portion of that is just to let
teachers teach work a big portion of that's also PID thank anyone else yes I should have done this at the very beginning but I've been around a long
time and I've been labeled as one of the guys that always talking about the mfp say it's Mike fa problem but the thing there I I do want to compliment yall on the steps that you
took and I think M Shan and Mr Harris were the drivers of this that we have to get this thing out and we have to look at it instead of having one meeting one time and then Bessie having to vote on
40% of the general state general fund budget at least we got a lot more awareness doesn't mean everybody knows about it but we we have begun uncovering the pages and looking at it and it's a
very uh complex formula right Beth that uh Beth and I have been dealing with it since 1990 and you know you just don't learn it in one meeting sitting down you have
to go through it but I do wanted to say that I thought that was a step well Tak thank you Mr haris kind of along those same lines um I've had some discussion St I
think you Dr grle SP years since the formula has been tweaked that's a Whole Decade and I think some things have changed and I would like to see if we could over the year that for the next
one uh maybe we as a committee could learn the process of how to tweak or change the form LS needed I think there may be some things in rural school districts right now that may need to be looked at in unique situations I'm not
saying warm money or anything like that but I do believe it will be it would be an excellent exercise for this committee to see what makes up the mfp formula what are the steps to try to reformulate it when it's necessary uh and then
discuss that over this next year because there may be um some things after all it's been 10 years since it's been changed a lot has happened and there may some other things with uh that we may want to put into the formula that would
help uh some districts that may need that help and and and may make some things a little easier to understand too in the form because I know it's very cryptic sometimes but I really believe that it's a it would be a good exercise
and we may find out that there's been something lacking or something we could add to and the key to that Mr Harris is the wording in the resolution CU that's what generates the
mechanism for the funds that are going to be distributed and that's what bess's responsibility is the actual development of the resolution that goes to the legislature right and U but I just think
you know it be a good time to do that uh Mr if we can look at that over the next year so okay anything that staff send us the Mr Harris I happen to have some
recommendations Mr F I've seen those about 60 times I think that's a wonderful idea thank you Lance and I will also have over the next year questions uh specific to the districts uh and how maybe we can help the districts uh with their bud in
the mfp formula but I think opening up the formula this year and studying it is a is a onea that we need to move forward on so maybe we can uh what's what I'm hearing right at at some point in time here we can convene again and talk about
some of those specific things if wouldn't mind helping develop the U the agenda on that we can we can look at it anything El yeah I want to ask you about the pass
forward if uh this this group's not going to be able to vote today Bessie's obviously meeting tomorrow uh so Bessie won't be able to uh make a decision without a recommendation from this group no that's we you can't you get a
recommendation from me tomorrow at the me having a public hearing I mean this is a public it would have been better had you had it for but it's not necessary so my understanding I just want to be clear make sure I understand correctly my understanding is that we could get a recommendation from the
state superintendent and we could the board could vote on that but we won't be able to vote on um anything based on a recommendation from this full committee we didn't have a last year okay and we
sent that forward U the recommendation um that we have because it needs to be legisl Friday March 15 March 15 so we got to do it Point made everyone the table is best vot tomorrow but not be
consideration from the full committee um sounds good I also recall last year we also had U some a proposal in there for some increase in some operational
funds um any thoughts on so that yeah I yes I went back this morning and I looked at um what we did last year on the operational um and so there's there's a 100 there's a
$100 uh per student prois provision um that hasn't been changed since uh 2008 2009 uh last year what I did is I I looked at what was the inflationary rate between that point until
uh last year and I think at that point was 44% and so we recommended last year uh increasing the 100 to 122 per student um I did look this year and CPI shows a 3% inflation from 24 to 25 so that would
make the 4447 um and I asked bet just in case the question came up um to help me uh know how much impact that would be and so if you took the complete 40 if you took the
complete 47 if you turned 100 to1 $100 to $147 it would be something like um just north of of 30 million if you did about half of that and you made it 123 instead
of 12350 is that just a little confusing 123 that would be like 14.7 million so if you took the the same approach I did last year which is half making up half the difference you would be looking at adding about you would be looking at
moving from $100 a kid to 123 and that would be about 14.7 million so also saw a report and I don't know about how the difficulty it would be what do you you
all think about the chances of survival if we that was in there but um trying to think about offset I saw a report and it was asked by mine what about the numbers of students in the
state and what I saw was like over the last five years or seven years we've lost like 45 or 50,000 students um I don't know what projection is for next year but um some of that money is could be offset by lower
student numbers yeah I mean so I've answered this question the legislature several times and I've answered it in the media several times so the the public system um if you combine traditional public with public charter
is down over a decade like four to 5% the non-public sector is down about 11% so that tells me that it's not not necessarily an issue with people being
unsatisfied with their public traditional public and public charter tells me that people are leaving the state of Louisiana um and so that's why all the work that's happening legislatively around crime and insurance rates and health care and jobs is is
important because while the educational space has to get better and we will you know I don't I don't think that that loss is a result of necessarily the educational system but this formula is a pupil driven
formula so if you lose students you lose money in the allocation that comes from the state that's number one that $100 was put into effect in the early
90s in 2008 2009 went to $100 utilities Insurance fuel it was in a before that but it was $100 yeah but it was for increased fuel cost it was increased health care cost and
what was the insurance insurance re retirement so that $100 was way back when and we know and I have some increased costs that I put in my my
sheet here that you've seen Mr Harris several times but anyway that that $100 has been there in effect all those years in a separate part of the formula and it's on based on your base student
enrollment and if that's going down that amount of money that you've gotten for that has gone down also so but we need to remember that this is a pupil driven form and that when you lose students you
lose State Monies and to to my I mean that's a good point and another another factor I would add to that is we we've seen total cost of mfp increase and population go down and I'll often get the question from legislators how's that possible it's
because um the state is even poorer and you have more students with disabilities and so because of the factors it's and rightfully so it's in you know more money per pupil so that's also you know
kind of a a factor that we had to explain over the last couple years it's the weighted formula the weighted students that are added to the base and stuff is there any appetite for trying to ask for some operational
additional operational funds yeah Mr Morris and I had a little discussion right before and traditionally and you know this and M shine knows this mfp normally is taken up the last week of the
session and many times the uh Bessie has sent over an mfp with added stuff and then right there at the end of the session all of a sudden something happens and all the legislature can do is accept or reject the form that's
basically it they can send it back with some recommended changes in Bessie doesn't want to do the recommended changes they don't happen and the formula that was in place prior years is what is enacted and
I've seen the case where the Sunday before the Monday adjournment the mfp was decide also we're operating on MF right now that's 3 years ago because it's been rejected two years ago and I think that's not a good
because you once the use of mfp and I recommendation it's projected it goes back to certain years so but to your point Mr burin um that hasn't been addressed since 2008 and we're operating under a threeyear
mfp it's three years old um I can't remember last year MP how much it went up before um it may a good time to put that in but
Mr Po's Point U it does it does happen part session yes Mr R um to Mr Harris's point you know when we going back a year before we did our learning sessions on the mfp I spoke up and was of the
mindset that it appears the legislature on the will of the legislature tends to be to pick out those programs that they feel like are most important maybe better said more effective high impact and that's what they're putting their money towards in a state that's doing
their best to stay in the red uh in the in the black and not in the red and at that time I felt and what I said was we needed to look at the formula itself and probably figure out if this is all the money we're ever going to get how do we
make make it work better for kids and and and are there things we can change and I stand by that I I would love to see more money put into level one funding um we feel very passionately that dollars should go to our schools
our school systems and that they should make decisions as close to kids about that those dollars and how they should be spent I stand by that but I don't know if it's a reality that we're going to get more dollars and so I would support your comments and and and an
effort to let's look at the formula and see if there are things that we can change after all of these these years I don't believe that many think that there's a problem with our per student amount right now if you sit and speak with legislators many of them think it's
plenty it's enough uh they point to things that they see not being spent on behalf of kids still sitting in bank accounts that's not helpful uh and so I think we have to look at the formula see how we make the
dollars that we have um go further and I think we have to build a stronger case if we want more money from the state we have to make a stronger case and I don't think that we've done that homework yet the thing we need to remember that a
lawsuit was brought forth in 1990 a new formula was instituted in 199 which provided for equitable distribution and we have to keep the equity component of that formula
currently there are 10 states that are having suits dealing with the funding formula in those States and the distribution of funds this formul met the test of equitable
distribution and was equitably dist distributed with the increases every year when the increases sto the equity and the distribution stop what year was the last increase sir
what year was the last increase on the mfb you used to know that right off I think it was 2019 189 I think so here it is 25 2025 and that was before Co and the thing that exagerated all
this were the exra funds that will as a reminder I the governor has committed to and has proposed a standstill budget I thank everybody for taking that into consideration into account when we're having these
discussions I would have to Echo um Caroline romer's suggestion and also Miss in that we possibly look at ways to dig a Little Deeper to see if we can be a little bit more efficient with what we
have and if not build a stronger case with how so no I just wanted to say I agree with all of the conversations and we have to remember we have a lot of changes coming in the next year we have
an amendment on the ballot that will help teacher pay raises um confident that that would pay will pay us would you relieve some of your local districts some of the school districts from the funding that they had to use in in the past uh we have the the uh LA Gator
that's going to continue to increase so you have a you have a lot of movement in in your school systems in the next year or two years so I think by digging down into the the formula this year for this year and um abide by the governor's
expectations of this committee will give us a little more time and uh and look at that formula and see what what we can do right now and what longterm because this we have to do something longterm we can't I don't want to see us do it year
by year um that's not feasible so what I'm hearing is uh the suggestions from Dr grumley leave that and we'll look at the operational monies in the formula for next year yes sir the the thing is
on Dr brumley's uh second uh sheet summary proposed changes to the formula all those figures are outside of the base per pupil they're just supplemental
allocations that are funded in the governor's executive budget am I right so so this present year so 2425 the these dollar amounts are funded as an appropriation um and so what we would be
doing is locking them in with mfp so the mfp would increase it yes it would it would increase by this the 49.5 but it's already accounted for in the executive budget what I
say level four would it be in the resolution whereas previously wasn't in the resolution which means it stays in now yeah okay Mr yes sir I like to go back
to M's comment about the uh election um do we have an estimate for what the financial impact would be to the school system based on the outcome of that election obvious Mike J what's the question sorry the question
question champagne made a comment that pending the outcome of the election if the vote would have passed two districts would have no funding available so my question is before we make a recommendation on on a budget then uh I'd like some appreciation for what the potential difference will be depending
on the outcome of the election how much is that going to impact um budgets going forward one way or another it's not going to generate more funding it's going to generate less expense that districts have to pay towards
trsl but the caveat with that is the savings are supposed to be rolled into should the Constitutional amendment pass all said is that one that one okay understand some districts some districts
might have a little bit more some districts might not have enough and that's where some back filling has to come in but it would not generate more funding it would generate less expenditures I understand that concept I thought there might be something in addition to that so that helps me
understand thank you and going to par lines comments um School boards have always wanted you know extra funding in level one that way school systems can decide where money needs to be spent of course our Ro school school systems are very different
from our sub and keeping the dollars closest to the child um we've always supported um as well um as far as uh the comment of extra money um by law we have to keep a certain amount and a certain percent
called the rainy day fund so would like that to be kept into consideration of why school systems may have money left and appreciate the continued con uh
conversations um with with Ken and and with Trey and superintendent and school boards um in regards to uh extra money for uh career and techs just want to clarify the extra money Randy Mr F I have some
recommendations from the superintendent Association uh I have some areas of concern that we brought up but we have three recommendations as an organization and I'd like to provide this to the members of the taxk force
okay Mr B why he's passing that out so just to confirm that this where it says on this last page the summary of changes this is not changes from last year it's the same it's just making it permanent okay but the numbers are the same they're not increased those dollars
are in the present budget they're just appropriated outside of the M absolutely so now it just a perent thank you sir appreciate you well okay Mr f yeah okay no I listed some of the challenges that we've had since uh 2004
2005 you see there that the bit per pupil has only increased by $556 that's in level one and then we've had the the reform effort the changes beginning in 2010 we have not calculated the cost of
a minimum program since is 1996 that's something when I served on this task force I I continually brought up what it's happening is is the gap between the the rural the gap between the rural
districts and the other districts has widened now I know the population there have been issues with drops in populations and stuff and efficiency and operations in fact at one time there were 13 districts that had uh 70% of
their general fund was not going towards instruction now there are 40 school districts and 54 Charters that are not meeting the 70% requirement based on the last report that uh Beth
gave uh the Constitution states what be's responsibility is and then I listed some things on the rising cost and operating systems that the districts are facing and the inflationary cost the
health care cost uh safety school safety property insurance we had some districts increase 300% on their property insurance and then the recommendation increase to per pupil level one by 13
1.375 includes the pay raises in the formula so that they're permanent and then increase the purple per pupil amount for supplemental course allocation it was increased a couple of years ago what was it to $21
there think it was 7 by $21 and what's happened is Community and Technical Schools have increased their tuition astronomically so what's going to happen is local districts are not
going to be able to fund as many dual enrollment either vocational academic courses so if you provide additional funding in level four supplemental they can do that and kind of keep up with the changes in accountability and the
requirements so those are the three recommendations Mr chair thank you thoughts Mr mors yeah uh Mr faul appreciate the three recommendations you quantifi number one and number two do you have a number for number
three it was increased from $50 to $71 uh yes uh another increase of that magnitude would help offset the increased tuition so $21 yes sir to be consistent and how much would
that be on the state Li uh you have an idea how much 216 and7 million six and seven 6 to 7 million that's based on the enrollment
in the districts correct discussion School Board supports that school what was your am $21 per 6 to7 milon what we be it would
be $91 if yeah if you increased it it would be9 but it was 21 that we did last time it was 50 something to 70 I don't remember what the exact number question well it was what was the dollar amount
50 something before 56 to 70 okay but it's based on the per the number of students inition in gr 7 through 12 yes 7 through suppose y won't let me serve as
a proxy again you can be any mrul the not miss bills but Miss Johnson um if the ballot measure um
doesn't pan out is there a contingency that we need to focus on and if it doesn't because if we're putting this stuff in the mfp and it doesn't pass then how does that affect the
MSP it would it would it would not affect the MSP that we that we would send over uh it would affect the the point of no teacher no teacher pay raise U I would
assume that as has been done the last couple of years it would be handled outside of the MF uh and possibly funded 2,000 and 1,000 like it was last year and the year before but I don't know
that um so without a vote um we have what Dr brumbley put forth and uh talked about the operational
dollar increase which seems to uh does not have the support uh I'm not sure about this support on item number three since uh item number two is going to be handled with the vote I think
um how do you want to proceed or okay well uh being that we don't have a vote and uh so therefore you know follow up to something you said very at the beginning about proy and the
bylaws is that something you all have to look into or can yes so we were just talking so uh that would be something that we'll have to actually put into the agenda at the next meeting and then it
would have to go to vessie for approval um so that is something that I I would think we should look at yes sir yeah I think we also need to make sure the full board appreciates that this is apparently the second year in a row where we didn't have AUM meeting and that's significantly
relevant I mean this is only my second meeting so it's but it's the second year in a row that we've had enough proxies to meet that quum requirement and I wonder Mr Morris people who aren't here and I haven't I haven't spoken with them but if they think that oh I sent a proxy
they may think that that person can vote for them so they're not like neglecting their Duty um it's just they probably think that a proy can we explain it you did well y have been very clear on
that I'm back you up other task force too I mean superintendent task force do enrollment but I guess the question and punitive there is an Bic policy where I can make a recommendation to the board when
people are chronically absent to to replace them and we probably need to consider that in the whole that's my point discuss if it's a relevant me get a quum this kind of decision two years in a row I think considerations like that need to be things like that need to
at least be considered so people can appreciate the significance of the the responsibility with the role yes uh and I don't know how the board makeup was ever determined is that legislatively or is that by rule or is it in the
constitution in policy it's in policy I might suggest we evaluate because if we have some some organizations that aren't showing up that means they're not really worried about it uh there there might also be a
problem getting a COR because it's such a big committee too so I think that as we revisit the mfp formula we ought to revisit to make up this committee are there any of the task
force where a proxy can vote I don't but that's something we should one if there is if there are some why can they could be allowed to vote in others or not so prior
to PR is scheduling the next me is there any public comment so for what I'm hearing um there is a need and a want I think for another uh meeting prior to this one next year at least to talk about these things that
were just uh brought up and to look at it formula look at this um the proxy situation all I will say on M Trish's behalf it I don't think she's missed the meeting since she's become the executive director this this meeting is in direct conflict with the national advocacy
conference for so that's the only reason she here she did tell me she knew but obviously she can't bu locate so you know that is why I'm here but just to say I believe she has taken this responsibility seriously so I can't speak for anybody else but I did want to make that point if the conflict if the
conflict did not exist she would be here and I want to make it clear we track it but I don't have the knowledge right now of who is been consistently after so I don't want to anybody would it be such a bad thing so for example um you know Mr Clon it's their winter break and they
had you know had vacation scheduled so the executive director took his would it be a bad thing that Mike voted on behalf of the superintendent Association would it be a bad thing that Stella voted on behalf of
the principal Association I mean and I think that's that's what we need to discuss at at a forthcoming meeting so yes Ma I also want to consider a zoom in option I mean there virtual meetings helped a lot of people we know we're
going to be short of a quum we may want to consider opening a zoom to get to that quum then she could call we'll need to we'll need to look at that is a whole another Hur that we
have it's a policy change the legisl allows it now so okay just no public comment all right so uh Bessie has meetings in uh one in August
one in May um any thoughts about having something then this I would like to see us meeting May after the after ouring meetings like we would normally do at least you know starting office okay so you after you're talking after the Des
meeting in May yeah like we normally would do like in the afternoon of the second day June there's no okay in June okay any objection to us getting back
together in June and talking about those these things other than your attendance may not be that great in June just because some people not me but might be on vacation so you prefer August a
may I don't know I'm I'm anxious to proy voting will work I thought that thiss I mean I think that's going to apply and prevent you from doing I think we all look at the electronic meetings because the
legislature did allow if my memory Serv are right like two meetings a year there is that that you can go and you can do it via electronically I think there's specific guidelines for that special needs people like that there several Hoops you have
to yeah to be done right yeah look into it but I'm concerned okay so we'll look at August as uh maybe a next meeting of this pad's course um give us a little bit of time to develop an agenda that's
worthy hearing nothing else and uh we're your journey thank you all