i got it backwards Problem but tonight there's a bunch of people here from my street Hide Park and as you know it's a huge problem and everything they say is true and something needs to be done if we have to come here every meeting to complain about it because the
person there will not comply will not listen and if we don't go through with foreclosure if we don't go through with whatever we can this person will continue their apartment building They'll bring back RVs They'll continue all the illegal things they've been doing on this street And also I noticed
it's uh April 1st and if we had done the RV program properly most of these RVs should be gone by now But you really don't see anybody moving And that's a huge issue too Thank you Thank you for your comment sir The next person I do want to mention the end of the question season is usually
the end of April So it can run from November through April The next person is Frank Standish Uh good evening everyone Frank Standish 15410 North Road Um yeah it is about code and I don't expect y'all to respond
to it you know but there's a cancer as you see growing bigger and bigger along Oachchobee and now it's spread throughout the town and it's these semis You know we have to put a time
limit on our code cases two years or more is reasonably you know enough time for something to go through the paces of what uh an owner in town could do with their property Well when everything runs
out on all their options uh nothing happens Town staff puts the brakes on everything sweeps it in on the rug throw it throws it in the back Uh because they think different The town residents do not want
commercial and Oatobia That was definitely clear and open back when the overlay took place It's even documented If you go on the town's website there's the recording of the last meeting on YouTube that was done in Wellington with the Treasure Coast person running the
meeting where 21 people got up and stated no commercial and only one person stood up for commercial So it's pretty obvious what's going on And please try to look into it and and uh because it eliminated a lot of problems throughout
the whole town Now we got big trucks running down our small side streets that can't handle the size and the weight So our streets are just getting torn up So all right Thank you Thank you for your comment sir
We now have Miss Sandy Schaefer Uh Sandy Shaper 1095 Hide Park Road Um I'm not trying to be sarcastic except the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome We've been coming here for almost seven years complaining about
basically the same thing and always leaving hopeful okay because you guys say to us you know what this time we're going to do this If you help us I can tell you that everybody on my street has helped you with pictures with video um
everything with our time um with our patience and you've helped us one time You gave us a roundabout sign when we had many people us included almost killed coming around the pond the wrong way People were coming around wrong So
we got that sign But now that you are cleaning up the pond which is beautiful by the way um you're doing a great job thanks to the FEMA money Um that sign is now gone I hope you put it back up because that's the only thing that we have to show for all of our efforts of
coming down here I'm here about um 10:32 and I'm going to say it is not a code issue It is a health issue Um I can't be the only person in Loxahhatchee Gross that suffers with um
an illness an autoimmune illness Um I struggle every day to be healthy as I am This person at this residence is being allowed to dump horse manure by the dump truck loads into a pond that is feet
away from the canal that your people are working on the that this the drainage canal that's going out to the pond We are all on wells I came down here to the city last week when I saw it I ga I had pictures I also had an email from the
Florida Department of Environmental um that we called They came out here immediately because it was so offensive Um I was told that Lockxahhatchee Groves has nothing We can't do anything about it that nothing can be done I think if
people in this town knew because by and large most of the people who have horses do the right thing They put it in the concrete It's it's hauled off But the people at 10:32 don't do anything like that This is the first time that they are openly
spreading it It is awful I was also told now that the town is trying to work with them Um this is horrible you've never worked with the people who get permits who do the right thing but you're going to work with this one And it's just not
fair So anyway that's my thing And I think that the people have a right to know And I don't know if it's not going to get out through here maybe the newspaper maybe the the television station Somebody needs to know that open dumping of sewage and this person also
has pigs It's being dumped right into a a pond People need to know if you're going to do anything about it or not Thank you for your comment The next person is Mr Doug Schaper
Uh Doug Schaper 1095 White Park Road Uh just to piggyback off what Sandy said um we've been dealing with this for 7 years It started off at 11:02 and you've now let that president take president take over to the neighbor to the south 1032 and you know it just keeps steamrolling
down the road Okay So you know he's got a PUD going up over there Uh I I think you're allowed a groomsman quarter for a stable stall I'm not a horse person but I think that's what it is He's got an apartment complex there contributing to the sewage problems he's done Um the
fill everything else And like my wife said he's now dumping trailer loads of this stuff out there We have pictures of it He's washing it off into public drainage At what point is enough enough um we can't deal with it anymore
Like my wife said if if public recognition needs to be made we'll call them out here Uh we have some people next to me that have some clout and be glad to join us So either use the tools you adopted Palm Beach County ULDC Am I
correct can anybody answer that i I want to speak on that if you don't mind We actually have an item tonight that will um make us be able to change certain codes in the ULDC because when we became
a town we took some codes from other municipalities that didn't really fit properly And in order to change anything in the ULDC we need four votes for everything every time So I do believe we
have a tool now in um tonight's meeting to try to move forward to be able to make these quick changes in our DC because I've been asking the same questions as you Well how is it every agency I call tells me the same thing We
would be all over this except you're under the jurisdiction of the town If we go back to the county rules we wouldn't be here right now And so what I suggest why don't I call for a referendum that we dissolve this farce and go back under
the county rule where we can all have at least some protection I remember years ago when every one of us would go to the town the the county commission meetings in force and we get our way and we stood up force by Wellington or Westlake That's why we became a town to protect
ourselves So like as I said we're a town since ' 06 I've been asking the same questions that you're asking tonight why we can't get these things done So without saying too much um about code I could probably get a show of hands right
now Um I'm sure you will if you'd like to do that sir You're three minutes You can do whatever you want with that Yeah Can I get a show of hands anybody in favor of dissolving this farce yeah Yeah He's talking about There you go There you go
Thank you very much Yeah You fully understand what I'm saying i do Thank you very much Thank you very much So um like I said my and my next step is to bring this public and expose all of this hilarity that is harming people You know
I got a wife with an issue and I have to watch and see what's going on and then smell it and then worry about this and we're on wells and aquifers and you're letting this go right down the public waterways Is it appropriate Mr to Civia for you to comment on where this stands in codes that these people can know the process
is moving along or I mean is there anything you can say without jeopardizing the case by speaking about it in front of council i know there are pending fines and in general the way code enforcement works is pending fines will just keep running and running and running until one of two things usually
happens three things The property comes in compliance at which case the fines will stop And then if it's in compliance a person has a right to ask for a reduction let's say $100,000 fines that's may be acred or that fine is a lean on the property And if that person
ever goes to sell or refinance their property they're going to have to pay off that lean like when you go to closing and you have leans on your property And the third option is the option of foreclosure foreclosure The town just adopted a policy on that and that is something that the magistrate
has authorized looking into at the code hearing and the council might consider it at some point But one thing you think about in foreclosure is is there a lean ahead of yours and I think the property you're talking about there is a large lean ahead of the cities the town's lean
So so foreclosure isn't the end all beall but it's an option Okay good pursue that option and then at the very least if if it gets brought into compliance that means removing the 60 80 100 yards of clay field he put on there
to change the topography He broke every FEMA flood plane law there was Plus he's running an apartment complex and renting and the trailers and everything else to bring it back into compliance Tear the top half of that building off Make it a barn like it's supposed to be Get the renters out of
there Get get the the feces running off of everything And is there anything bring it back you can say Francine from what's being done without jeopardizing the case yeah as soon as we threatened foreclosure they immediately hired an attorney and started making some of the changes that
we asked for As you and your neighbors know we have sent our staff out there daily And we appreciate you all sending your videos and your pictures and making your calls to us As we go out there each day we get a little bit more of the
story The building has they're doing the FDA and they also are changing the building The building will not have the apartments in it anymore Um I'm not going to say anything more I'm just saying they are working with the town to
come into compliance and we send someone out there just about every day when you call and without having threatened foreclosure We have never gotten this far That's what I can tell you Then remove the clay bring it back to the original flood plane regulations That's
the only way you're going to bring it back into compliance They're in process of a flood plane No no no no no You don't understand me Take it back to where it was Take it back to where it was because he's he's adversely affected everybody around him
That's compliance And start from scratch and make him get the FDA to start Then he can do the flood plane and everything else he's got to do Well I'm not an attorney but you can't actually make someone start from scratch but you can make them come into compliance You can also make them tear it down Um about 20 years ago in Jensen Beach they took down
an entire apartment complex And again I don't think that we are really allowed to talk about too much more than I already have But then think about it I think we're aware of cases that do that and we are just trying to work with their attorney and get them into
compliance Don't let off the fines We are not letting off the fines The fines do not go away Don't mitigate them Don't reduce them Every penny Every penny That property is running fines at a pretty
steep pace every penny and it is not up to the staff to reduce those fines So you won't see us recommending any reduction All right Thanks for your time You're welcome The next person is Tama Norman
Hi Tam Norman and I'm at 2226 FRO I just wanted to know if anybody knew about the FPNL all those boxes and underground utilities because I know F-RO's never gotten done The staking got done about two years ago Stakes are gone Nothing
else has happened I just wanted to know since I gave them permission for an easement on where that is at So they started the project Mhm They ran into easement trouble in a number of areas So they abandoned us We are currently in the process of kind of letting them know
very vocally that we want them back Um we met with them two council meetings ago two council meetings ago and had them here and told them in no uncertain terms that we want that project to start back Okay Immediately So we are putting
as much pressure on as we can It's our understanding that once they abandon a project it's very difficult to get them to come back but we're we're putting we are putting the pressure on Okay Thank you Yeah it did sound like they were planning on finishing the project but there was also a lawsuit on B-roll that
kind of put the brakes on stuff as well Okay So that's over So hopefully we can move forward All right Thank you Sure Thank you for coming I can't make out the name but the address is 266 B Road
That's correct Yeah that's correct Just state your name for the record please Sammy we got together at the end No problem Uh good evening Timing Good evening and thank you for giving me these three minutes I'm sensitive to what the mayor uh mandate and not talk
about code So I'm going to not use that word hopefully I'm here because I'm going to implore the town council to try to save the Laha groves that I found when I bought my ranch about three years ago four years ago Uh I see that disappearing and I see it when I drive
around Uh we're for whatever reason we're just failing to enforce rules and regulations that are for the good of everyone And when I did my ranch I sat with a gentleman who I think is retired now He was the public works director that sat me down nice man and said "Mr
Yan you're going to have to go through a FEMA land plan and a water retention plan You're going to have to do this and this and this and have a sewer system that's proficient." And the aggra cost of all that was about $350,000 I did it because he looked me in the eye and he said "Everybody has to
do it and it's for the good of everybody." So I went forward and did it Now we have a neighbor down the street that has decided that he's just going to have sewage just run right into the ground Uh and he also has now piped a pipe out to the canal So if it doesn't go into the ground it goes out to the
canal You can drive by I do You just see it spinning right into the waterway He's also got multiple single family homes on the property such as they are They're not they're not permitted They're not to code I don't think they have working kitchens or bathrooms I want to say that
this presentation to you is just going to be three minutes or less is not to throw your staff under the bus They are lovely people I've been with Francine I've been with code enforcement They get it They understand They're cooperative They're polite They're nice people But there is a disconnect somewhere And we
are losing the the thing that makes Los Groves great And I want to stress to you I'm not here to try to entice you to make it into Wellington or Palm Beach Gardens or any such thing I think the character of the of the land and of the properties is such that that's why people are attracted here But I will
give you photographs of things that are not attractive that just don't are not addressed One thing that was though a few years ago and how I started this I met with Francancy and we had a man doing a truck stop at the end of our street Not only were the 18 wheelers rolling in but if
you paid attention to it the guys that were driving the trucks had no bathroom to use Let your imagination wander as to what they did Number two I walked by one day and they were changing the oil Do you know how they changed the oil they just did it and let it run right into the ground Period That's how they
changed the oil on 18heel trucks One truck rolled in did it Another one rolled in and did it Then they moved and they made a little hole somewhere else and let the oil run into the ground I drink the water from that location It's about 1,800 ft from my well That is wrong Francine was kind enough to clamp
down with code enforcement Did a wonderful job That guy's now out of business No more truck stops But I drive around this weekend and last weekend and I see trucks on other locations So it started up all over again We've got to somehow get hold of
this And I don't I'm not blaming anybody But I am telling you that I I'm a developer I'm in the real estate business We're losing our Is that me i can go ahead Yeah We're losing our our town We're losing our our quiet enjoyment And very quickly I'm going to
give you some photographs Motion to file and receive I make a motion Second favor I Oh yeah I'm I'm with you on this first Oh 100%
You're preaching to the choir sir Yeah 100% Well okay Can we look I don't want to talk about individual issues Can we do anything to try or maybe some of these are under under fines right now but I've owned my
ranch for four years None of this is new This is all four years old Couple of these Francine has told me and she's a great lady She said they know it They promise they're going to clean it up Guess what these floors are two days old They haven't touched it statistic We are
losing real estate value here when it should be escalating We are losing our quality of life here I don't care if the rooster crows down the street That's great That's that's one of the reasons I like it but I don't want to hear a a drill press going for eight hours a day I'm hearing it now right across the
street This stuff has to stop So I know all my three minutes are up I'm sorry I've been here before I won't come back We have no Please do come back But just briefly um this is I had a conversation just before this meeting tonight with the attorney and the town manager about
my frustrations as yours are with the process of code and why it takes so long So one of the reasons why we took a vote about six months ago is to start instituting foreclosure because our code process had no teeth You know what I mean there was there was none So about six months ago we put the foreclosure
uh ordinance in Okay So now we can foreclose on properties So we do have a number of properties in town that are over the $100,000 that we we put that as our threshold and those are all being investigated for foreclosure by our attorneys and they're all in different process different phases of that process
I can't be very specific but many of the ones that you have in the pictures qualify for this and so the problem is with code right you have the code complaint you go to the place they get they get a certain number of days to rectify it They don't rectify it in a
lot of cases like in Hyde Park that they just basically say "Forget you We're not going to do it." But you have to let that by law you have to let that amount of time go by Then you set up a magistrate meeting which is another 30 days or or 45 days Then they go to the magistrate Then the magistrate gives
them another 30 or 45 days to come So by there's a legal process that is extremely frustrating I know and and and you're so kind to take this time and I'm sorry about being over three minutes and I hear you but I got to I got to tell you I own property in Monroe County Dade
County Broward County Palm Beach County Martin County no place in Florida South Florida has this issue to this degree When I have a violation somewhere I get a letter I get a notice I get a phone call I get hassled Hassle makes me do something might not work here with
everybody but I suspect that many people don't even get a tag notice I leave palm frrons out in front of my ranch 3 days before the pickup and I get a tag on my gate But my neighbor goes ahead and drills uh and puts his sewer into the water and nobody sends him a letter Nobody gives him a call that what I'm
told and I'm sure it's true is we can't go through the gate because we can't through the goat go through the gate We can't deal with this guy That's insane Doesn't happen anywhere else I don't want to lose this I don't want to lose the with the beauty here and the freedoms here but I'm imploring you to do something and just talking about it
isn't good enough And I think you're hearing from the group that I that I heard before me that this is coming to a head now We don't want to lose the town that we have We don't want to lose the lifestyle that we have but it is fading rapidly And all you have to do is take your car and drive around I took I took
these photos in 15 minutes I didn't drive every street but every street I drove I could take a photograph and give it to you every single one The town has these 20 times over Trust me Well that's not a great time I'm taking them as well
I I appreciate So I have a question for you but you said sewage is going into a canal and I need you to make sure that they're aware of that because that you I don't know if it's a previous property
We were talking this issue is in code enforcement Okay But we are very frustrated asking the same questions asking why do these things happen in other towns and they get done right away One of our problems is yes we have
acorage so we have five acres so it's not like in Westlake you could see what your neighbors are doing I want to say with respect I want to say with respect to you fine or the threat of foreclosure is irrelevant if I get cancer because I'm drinking water that somebody has put oil down into the water table or they
put sewage down It doesn't matter to me The fine doesn't matter I want that stock and somebody's Wait a minute Somebody's got to be more aggressive about these violations I don't want to hear anymore about it's five acres 10 acres the gate is locked Cancer and disease and illness is a serious matter
It has to trump some of this stuff and somebody's got to figure it out I I'm sorry but that answer just doesn't cut it I'm just saying that unfortunately with the five acres you can't just get the evidence right away That's what I was trying to say As you can in small
towns on an acre and a quarter This is no disrespect and I'm going to shut up after this I had code enforcement out to look at this neighbor with my neighbor across street on April 17th The tag if it went out was on Monday of this week That's 44 days from the day we brought somebody's attention to the day that
there was a tag Now I know they're busy I know they're up their eyeballs They got No that's no excuse No no there is an excuse because they're overworked and understaffed and working their butt off There's no question And they're nice people I'm not I'm not doing this to get them in trouble I'm telling you that we have to be more proactive and we have to be more aggressive within the confines
of the law Something's got to happen It's going to happen because getting good code enforcement officers It's been a problem Well I think the one you have is great I think the one before that was great We just got to we got to figure out a solution That's all Thank you so much Thank you Time of your comments
Thank you Mayor That concludes public comments for the non-aggenda items Thank you So So may I some say something of course So this is an ongoing issue that obviously a lot of people have have
dealt with some more successfully than others I would uh adamantly disagree that this is a uldc problem This is an application problem and a management problem And I know as we go forward over the next few months we're going to be
discussing the town manager's uh performance uh targets hopefully because that's something that we have failed as the executive board to bring forward successfully in the past and I think code enforcement is going to be a hot
issue that I think is easily measured as far as success goes as we move forward in the next couple months um setting those parameters into place That's my comment Thank you May I sure And I'm here because of code enforcement because
this town started out with selective code enforcement If they didn't they didn't like you you'd be getting code enforcement knocking on your door Okay So finally that has quelled our problem I do not agree with Miss El Remy I've been up here for seven years I think we
need an attorney with teeth Okay And you will hear me speak of that later this afternoon because we need to go by what our attorney says We we are not attorneys up here Okay we need a law firm that is going to guide us in the
right direction and get stuff done And personally I'm tired of kicking this code enforcement can down the road So I do not agree with you I think the management has been doing a great job I think we have been a little too lenient
keeping people on like the previous public works director I did not agree that I don't feel he was the same with everybody and um I I think our problem is is in house but it's a little deeper than just our manager to your point Okay
hold on a second Paul had his light on I can go after this It's fine Okay I can go after this So to your point I understand that sometimes the town attorney is enlisted in the code enforcement and the magistrate hearings and sometimes they're not I understand
that our policies and procedures are lacking and they're not followed regularly and that the paperwork is often either non-existent or improper which prevents code enforcement from being successfully applied or an interpretation issue
that their interpretation I don't think that our attorney interprets I think in that case it's the magistrate at that point I'm sorry You understand how do you understand this i've listened to some of the magistrate hearings We had the last one with 36 RV
ordinances A case comes forward The magistrate asked for um the paperwork uh because the town requested continuence town attorney was not present and the town did not have the green cards for the certified return receipts necessary
for a continuence So that was actually a postponement So we spent money for the special magistrate to sit there for the code enforcement officer to sit there and for Mr Kurt to sit there and to get absolutely nowhere They didn't hear anyone no one Not one case was brought
forward So this is not an attorney problem This is still a management problem because our town attorney is an officer of the town They report directly to us That has never happened This has always been a problem with communication of what's actually happening and us
being somewhat in the dark on some things and not um clearly understanding others And I think that we have had the employment model now for six years I believe and we have never really succeeded as the executive board in
providing the direction and the targets for staff to hit for us to get the results that we're looking for in this town I could also go deeper into the situation code enforcement I understand we've had quite the turnover Um I don't
understand what the training problem is I would like us as council to see the policies and procedures that are in place for that code enforcement when it's done and how it's handled and is the town attorney reviewing these things Is it something we want them to do to
make sure that we do have all that paperwork moving forward so when we get to the point of foreclosure on these properties we do have everything in place that we know we're going to be more likely to be successful I yield to Paul Paul if I may Oh please do
because that was um incorrect as to what happened at the code enforcement meeting The magistrate meeting you mean Okay So please please correct the record The special magistrate meeting what occurred was we had somewhere in the
neighborhood of 50 cases that were uh tenatively on the agenda There were findings of fact and prosecutions and potential fines um levied in about 12
cases There was something on the order of 30 cases that were to be continued but rather than go through and the reason they were to be continued is because those people had made application
um or put in an affidavit and we anticipate that when we go through the review process they will be in a situation in which they are going to get an affidavit of compliance
because they are attempting to comply So with respect to those cases we made a determination rather than go through and have the special magistrate actually issue a continuance and we
prove up the the notice of service and all those kind of things and have those matters continue to June We thought it was be more efficient to have the cases renoticed if in fact um they are not
into compliance So that was a decision that we made for economy so that we did not spend a couple hours going through and saying here's the the notice all those kind of things um with respect to to those cases That's why they were not
continued but they were uh they're still in the system and if we have to go through another hearing we will give them a notice of hearing And the cost of doing the notice of hearing versus the cost of um providing all those
continuances is going to work out in our favor because the chances are that out of those 30ome cases 90% of them or more will get affidavits of compliance because they are in the application
process and we now need to verify the information that they have provided this to So with respect to that hearing we had about a 50 cases that we are handling And as I said the the folks that did not come in and had not made
contact with us and were trying to um uh that they are still in violation We had a violation determination those uh folks were given an amount of time to come into compliance by the special
magistrate And if they don't come into compliance within that date uh they will face uh potential fines of up to $250 a day Um and all of that is reflected in an order that was sent to to them so
that if they don't come into compliance they will be on uh a hearing uh in the future Okay Thanks for that Thank you for clearing up the record Yeah And now is that the continuation of these RV
resort or I'm sorry RV um codes that I understand there's over 200 of these that are out lying in the NOV stage We are in the process of trying to to get over 200 cases
um processed now Are code complaints being processed that are coming in and continuing to come in even those even though the town seems to be focusing on the RV the answer to that is yes Yes Mr Curts
does not supervise code but I did have him jump in on RVs because we are under mann on it We have done code We have done code on a number of the properties that you're talking about and we have sent I've been using public works to go
out and do code because we are under staff to keep up with the complaints Okay I I didn't bring up any addresses So but I'm talking about the ones that I've seen come in I do anecdotally understand from people that have talked to me that they've called in code
enforcement complaints and been told that we're too busy to go and look at that But I would hope that's not the case When it comes to me I tell them the truth of when I can get someone out I had no one here last week that could go out on code There was nar a person not
even in public works that I could send Well this predates last week I understand that and we send people out all weekend to catch up We are doing the best we can with the staff we have and anyone who sends me something I mean I
you know we can all argue as much as we'd like I won't but I receive a lot of stuff directly about code and I make sure that every one of those things that comes to me I try to get something somebody out to So should we message out to the public that don't use the code
enforcement portal to actually contact you they should be using the code enforcement portal but it seems as if most of the people do contact through code enforcement email andor reaching out directly to staff I would say if everybody used the code enforcement
portal we'd have a lot easier time tracking the cases through Okay Well that's so I would really appreciate it if we could do that and they can always send me a note to make sure that I'm aware of it you know but the the code
enforcement has not stopped but there are priorities and there have been uh emphasis on RVs Um currently previously there was some emphasis on BTRs um trying to get those programs Who
emphasizes those those are emphasized at the direction of the town manager in accordance with the statutes and the Yeah Okay And this council All right There we go Council perhaps we should be the one prioritizing it No what I mean
by that is you you adopted the council adopted an RV ordinance and they expected it to be in force So well we also expect the the uses that are illegal all along Okchobee that have gone on for decades And yes I understand that you think vested rights is an
access point for them but it's the egregious uses and the long-term uh offenses that people here are most frustrated with And I think that we as council need to better understand what
processes are in place what's really being done what boxes are being checked Have you have you gone in to meet with the town manager or to try to get some of these questions answered i would like to have this conversation like we're having it right now I know but we can't talk about code in this forum but you
can go in and get your questions answered in private We can talk about the town manager's performance and that that's I'm not satisfied with the town manager's performance That is not unique to this town manager So but we may be satisfied with their performance but we hear from the public that that's not the
case I I didn't I just heard a man stand up and say how wonderful Francine is That's what I just heard Yeah I just heard somebody stand up and say how wonderful she is I a little lost at this point I think No my I just wanted to know what date that
meeting was Okay March 19th All right So I'm going to I'm going to try and backtrack a little bit So I I know it's a tough pill to swallow and I' I've dealt with folks in the past that not here but elsewhere
that have been in you know same shoes that a lot of folks are in and and as Anita said I think it's a very painful process but it is a process It's a state statutemandated process Um you know I
think we might be able to one of my questions actually when we get into something later is is about time frames Um but you know it's it's mandated They have they have certain span of time that they they can come into compliance It's not that the
town is allowing them to come to compliance The town has to allow them to come to compliance It's it's law Um you know and the process is it's very strenuous It's long Um you know a code enforcement officer goes out and he builds a case It's just like a a
detective goes and builds a case and then they bring the case forward and they you know yeah sometimes there's a a citation that day sometimes it's a week later I again I know it's it's no um it's not warm and fuzzy It doesn't make anybody feel any better I can I can understand the pain you're going through
Um you know in my professional life I I you know see people filling ponds with things they shouldn't fill ponds with all the time and and it you know it's it's not good I agree I I you know it's not but I do have a question
Um how many on the pre on the approved budget for this year how many code enforcement officers are we approved for we had a code manager and we had part-time code officers and I am going to bring back a budget amendment so that
we change that because we are not able to keep up We did not have the um we do not have the capacity to take care of the 200 plus RVs and so on So how many did we budget i just said we budgeted a
manager and we did part-time officers two part-time officers So do we not have and I apologize for my ignorance Do we not have room in the budget to to bring in contract help to to help augment what right now thank you
for asking that I priced out contract help Contract help is $75 an hour and we would only get four code visits in that day and we could only get it I think two
or three half days But I am looking at ways to do something that gets us better coverage Right now we have a part-time person that's here every other weekend and we have a part-time person that is here um three or four days a week
depending on his other job schedule We did at one point in time have um we thought we were doing well because we found somebody who could work full-time but this was a little bit overwhelming um for you know the average code
enforcement This is not suburban code enforcement You need to really understand a rural community and the things that we face So um I am looking at um how to go ahead and bring something back that works better We have
that job advertised I've even offered the job to people sitting in the room So just so I I mean I I'm a little concerned with because it seems like something and and I don't mean to use the word simple but I something as as
easy as somebody is is filling a pond with the improper material and and I realize that you know every other week or whatever we got time frame issues So I see somebody dumping today and I call code for I go on the
portal and I put it in we might not catch them because the truck is there today and it's not going to be there next week and the and the and the pile of dirt's gone and we can't get through the gate because just like um you know and maybe the sheriff can correct me if I'm wrong but the sheriff can't just walk through your gate either If your
gate shut and locked the sheriff just can't walk through right so and I don't know kids making faces that I I there's I don't want to get I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a I'm not a a police officer So there's some there's some other stuff that allows them to do that but I don't think they they can't just on the word
of somebody just walk in Yeah Very good Okay I wasn't going to use the term because again I'm not Yeah You got to have probable cause You got to have Yeah back You can't see what they're doing Correct So yeah you can't just you know um so that I just but 40
days is kind of long for something that you know and especially if you have access and they're there and they're taking pictures and I mean I don't know how long it takes to generate the case and I'm again I'm ignorant to the process Um but you know to me that's
kind of I don't know Um but I just wanted to like reassure it's when you're short when you're short-handed on code enforcement staff the amount of time it takes to create these things just
individually whether it's a big case or a small case it does you know it takes time and they do have to we we as the town have to allow them Unfortunately whatever we've mandated to say that we have this time or the state's mandated
to say you have this time So as we all I think can empathize with everyone out there and we um and sympathize and you know frankly probably have something next door to them that they don't like or whatever You know anybody knows me knows I'm I'm not a code enforcement guy
but I know they have their place in the world Um so just I hate to use the words but please be patient We're working on it Okay And I think everybody else here everybody up here has heard what you had to say across the town not just on that one particular road off Collecting Canal
and Okchobee So thank you for the time here Everybody's good Okay Well we'll just roll right into the regular meeting since we're already 17 minutes into it Is that okay it is everybody All righty Um we now
need to consider the consent agenda Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda make a motion to approve the consent agenda Okay All in favor no No I have items to pull Well you can make a motion to do a polling She's making a motion to approve it Okay Thank you Okay
So I'm looking for clarification Paul had said too Okay Well she's making a motion to approve it as it is All in favor i I opposed Opposed Okay Motion fails Anybody else like to make a motion about the consent agenda
i'd like to make a motion to poll number two for discussion Sure That's an easy one Okay So your motion is to approve the consent agenda polling item number two Yes Okay I have others
to but he just is making a motion So I have to consider his motion Okay I'll make your motion Approve the consent agenda Let me ask a point of order because I you I've said in many of these meetings like the rest of us So I' I've I've
noticed in the past that that you know it I don't know maybe maybe it was going the wrong way before and now it doesn't go I Exactly So okay So do you not do you want to withdraw your motion yeah Because I don't think
it's Okay Yes as I withdraw my motion Okay All right Lisa you have a motion Okay Well I will respect uh Paul's motion to pull item two and I would like to add pulling four five six seven and eight
Okay Lisa's made a motion Do is there a second second because I want to hear where this goes All in favor i I opposed Oppos opposed bails two to two Anybody else want to make a motion i make a motion to
pull all the consent for discussion There a second Second Okay All in favor i I opposed Opposed Fails Two to two We can So can I can I point order can I ask a question point order Sorry I didn't
mean to turn it off before but point order So correct me if I'm wrong You're the resident Sorry attorney Yes rules of you know procedure with Robert's rules Um a motion's made a motion seconded and
then there's a discussion then there's a vote Correct Usually it's it's not motion made motion second approved or disapproved Then we go back D Usually there's a you know an agenda So what what does that have to do does the agenda have something to do different
with with a a item on the agenda it's still a motion in a second That's what I I've never sitting back there I've never understood that So we I mean you can discuss why you want to pull them I guess but we can't discuss the items unless we agree to pull them for
discussion Does that make sense it makes sense but it doesn't make sense why we're beating this dead horse that if she wants to pull some stuff for discussion why we can't just discuss it i don't want that When did this policy change it's not a change of policy This is the way it's been done it additions
deletions and modifications were always where items were pulled and then the consent the agenda was approved as is after that You're changing that now to oh we're going to approve the agenda and now we're going to go to the consent agenda That's not accurate at all Glen would you like to I served as the mayor
and that's how we did it So I don't know when this changed Glenn would you like to clarify again every council has a different protocol for doing this Some It's a courtesy of anybody that wants to pull any item it's allowed Others you have to make a motion to pull that specific item Unfortunately where you
are now is you're in a complete deadlock The consent agenda has not been approved You probably need to move on to your regular agenda because the motion to approve the agenda failed right on a two to two tie which means that the only people that can make a motion to reconsider are people that run the
prevailing party you two Vice versa you made a motion to pull these things That failed So now unless they change their mind we're stuck So unless somebody wants to discuss the items it sounds like none of the consent agenda is going to be approved tonight I have something to say after collect
Okay go ahead The reason for the consent agenda is all of us have the opportunity to go through this agenda with the town manager Did you go through the agenda with the town manager yes I went through the agenda with the town manager Did you go through the agenda with the town
manager and I did So the I the reason is to move the town forward to move this meeting forward in a timely manner so we could get things done Point of order like code enforcement Finish what she's saying What does this have to do with
meeting with the town manager we have an item on the consent that did not have the backup material that was actually referenced in the item and we have it now I say we discuss it What item is that you're you're wanting to pull that We just had a motion and it failed So I
don't know My my I guess my point is Madame Mayor I is is one of the items that that was wanting to be pulled was number four which is the appointment of the planning and zoning board right it could just be simply that she needs to change a name I mean
I mean is it But I understand what you're saying Phyllis I understand I understand that the idea of the consent agenda is so we can take 10 items if there's 10 items and we can just give discuss I understand that but but in the public by the way these are second
readings of things but I mean I I just don't understand if if there's some more discussion that needs I mean I I I understand what you're saying I met I met with the town manager and Jeff right went over everything that I thought was pertinent what they thought
was pertinent You know I just have some questions about number two Um because actually I don't think we covered number two because we got stuck on some other stuff But I don't see I mean we're talking about the approval of the planning and zoning board as item four I
mean just be it should just be passed on Well for whatever reason one of our one of our members has a question So I don't why can't why we can't afford that I don't understand it It's the pub's mind
And these are things that are supposed to be matters of business But if you guys want to pull the consent agenda I mean I'm okay with whatever you want to do You want to remake your motion if you're going to pull planning and zoning then I'm pulling fact And I was going to pull all the
committees because I had I had questions that were not pertinent to discuss just with the manager right here in the public perview Well may I ask a question do you have a question like a blanket question that we could talk about now
regarding all the committee i will not move forward with any of my questions until we make a motion to what we're going to do on the consent agenda That's how this is done Is there anybody who's even able to make a motion on the consent agenda at this point because
it's the prevailing at this point um can we remake a motion yes So so for example Madame Mayor you voted no on the idea of pulling I think all the consent agenda So you can make a motion to reconsider that since you were on the prevailing side on that position
if you wanted to What items do you want to pull Lisa how many of them do you want to pull i was wanting to pull four to eight four to eight Well let's just pull the whole consent agenda and discuss it at the end I mean why
not because four to eight and Paul wants to pull two So that leaves us with Why would we discuss which is approval of the minutes and it right now and oh no we do it at the end Yeah it's always pushed to the anything pull from consents always pushed to the end Three
and three would get passed Okay So we're going to we're going to make a motion to pull items two four five six seven and eight and move them to the end of the meeting after item number 15
That would be item Am I seconding are we looking for I'm just writing right now two four five six seven and eight and move them to the end of the moon meeting thereby passing only
items one and three on the consent agenda I make that motion Second but to clarify we're moving them after 15 You said that's a discussion or those or do we go after 17 no 15 15 Okay After
15 And we have a motion and a second All in favor i Okay So we now have a plan for that We passed items for the your for the record Sammy Items one the approval of the
minutes and the uh the selling the items at surplus items at auction passed but everything else is going to be discussed at the end of the meeting Understood Okay moving on to our regular agenda Uh consideration
We're on to item number nine Consideration of approval of resolution 202523 Who's got this one jeff Jeff Do you want me to read that please read the title Sammy Thank you Consideration
of approval of resolution number 2025-23 A resolution of the town council of the town of Lock Hatche Groves Florida approving a contract for continuing services for coverts construction replacement maintenance repairs and individual projects
including those over 300,000 with Humer Homes LLC and Johnson Davis Incorporated authorizing work orders number 1 through 4 with Huer Homes LLC for the replacement and construction of four
specific of four specific covert bridges authorizing the mayor to execute necessary documents in forms in forms acceptable to the town manager and the town attorney to implement the intent of this resolution Authorizing the town
manager and the town attorney to take such actions as are necessary to implement this resolution and providing for an effective date and severability Um it is her homes the is the pronunciation Um and
there's no way Sammy could have known that U but that is my understanding of how you say it Um it is a Does it really have two U's and two Rs it does It does And it's as I understand it it's named after her
cat Um it it is a contracting uh business They have a very good rec uh reputation Um they're qualified to to do the work
Um we went through an invitation for bid on covert and drainage projects There were four specific culverts that we uh had outlined and had plans for Um those four Culbert Bridge projects are Fro and
Collecting Canal Um Carrie Lane Folsam and 25th Bunny Lane Uh the pricing that her offered us was uh very good It is
substantially under our budget Um for those four there's approximate savings of $200,000 versus number it is um I think it's
$234,000 $258,000 $258,000 uh under what we had budgeted for for those four Um this contract also is a continuing service contract um where
they have provided a schedule of values for numerous drainage related items uh including catch basins and there's the possibility of other culvert uh and culbert bridges being done under this
contract What we anticipate is that we will bring forward to you uh at your May meeting uh another potential award for at least 18 catch basins um that have uh
been sitting out there needed to to be done Um so what we are recommending is the award to Her Homes LLC and Johnson and Davis Johnson Davis was the second low bidder with respect to um
the specific um bridge projects They have also given us a schedule of values Um they would not be awarded any of the uh specific bridge projects but they would be available to us for other projects based on their schedule of
values in the future U so that is our recommendation If you have any questions be happy to take them and Richard can supplement Yeah just um for the public how many contractor showed up to your pre-bid
meeting Jeff we had nine I believe it was Okay And and how many submitted bids two Okay Thank you That's it Yeah So sorry Lisa Uh Mr Golant did I didn't have a chance to ask you about some of this How do you feel
about these um particular bidders and a question can you clarify the Folsam and 25th that location so we um I contacted the references that they gave and then I went beyond and contacted the public works directors of the actual towns
they've done work in They've done work in they actually just completed a major project in South Bay off of State Road 80 and 27 They've just been awarded another project in South Bay So they had enough confidence in them on the first job to award him another one Um they did work for Southwest Ranches which if
anybody knows about that area it's almost identical to this except more paved roads but um it's an equestrian community um and off of uh south of 595 west of or off by 27 Um both I talked to
both their engineers that worked on the individual projects that they put as references and I talked to their staff of the municipalities in which they did work for and both of them were over the top with the with the performance of the work the quality of the work the timeliness and everything else Um as for
Folsam 25th there is currently existing a 24 inch um and I can actually show you the plans at some point if you want to meet up with about it But on Falsam 25th there is a covert that was installed at some point um that is about two feet too
high so it doesn't do anything Um also um school buses and other large vehicles cannot make that turn So the scope of that project is to make the culvert piece itself wider so we can make the
radius longer around that corner And then also we're going to put a small cover over the Falsam canal to connect it to the backside of Madison Green which will actually have a fence around and so that way it cannot be used as a
public access but it will allow for an access for our crews to be able to get through to mow the grass on the other side of the canal because our current issue is the only way we can get in back there because of the guardrail on Okilia Boulevard is to go through Royal Palm Beach Elementary and at Royal Palm Beach
Murray locks the gates while our staff is on that side of the canal They're stuck They can't get out So um that's part of the that project as well Yeah The plans for Folsam and 25th are found Yeah they're all
part 307 to 311 Yeah they're they're all in the agenda It's all all in the um and I believe we have a representative of her homes here Um if you have any questions her
I'm Jamie I'm the owner of her homes Well do you have questions for her specifically Paul or I do have a Well I have the original signed contract from my end So okay All right If you want to just sit in the front and then if somebody has a question for you we'll let them Paul you have your light on
again Listen speaking of Mr K Um so how much of the portion of this this covert at Fulsome and 25th um costwise is going to be to access the other side of the canal can can you say I mean this is the
biggest one we've ever built but you know it's still a significant portion Um and I guess my concern is we're building an a an ingress egress point into the town that could potentially you know just become a
problem in the future I'm just asking for clarification There's I mean it's going to be a sixoot fence with gates and barb wire on it Anybody wants to use that to enter the town I don't The problem is we don't want our staff to be stuck on the other side of the canal Um
it's a public it's a safety issue for our employees And how often do we maintain that side at least once a month Once a month we're over there Okay At least And it you couldn't break down what portion of that covert is I I'd have to ask I it was sent as a as a lump
sum item So turns out was okay Just kidding It can't be much because it was like I think the the the Falsome I'd have to look at the plans to get exact distances but the Falsome section I believe was um 100 foot and then the the other part
was like 20 ft So it's not it's not a significant addition Okay Just looking for clarification for future reference If you could read your left while you still have the question and I'll note that I thought you were done We just got one question and that's why I applaud on Paul Thanks Okay Paul
Uh just a short question So I I realize the designs in this I forgot to ask this the other day Is is the design we're using the standard design that was brought was supposed to be bring brought forward was talked about a couple three meetings ago or whatever We're kind of
standard design for roads standard design for because I know in the past we haven't had a standard design for for culverts has been at the whim of the person sitting in your chair So you know oh we had an 8ft culvert now we really only need a six-inch culvert you know
which is 3 foot smaller So the culbert sizes are based off the 2001 study that was done because we have not had any follow-up studies that's actually in the process as part of the resiliency project The actual design is I mean it's got basically moving forward This is going to be the design for all of our
culberts Okay So I can't speak of what they did in the past because I don't have But you've come up with a I guess my point is Richard you you come up with a standard design for our culverts Correct And these are all and these are also and this is what's different from the previous ones is these are all turnkey So when it's done we'll be able
to walk away from it and our staff won't be committed to doing certain tasks which is what has been done in the past which has led to other issues of you know why isn't our staff getting things done oh because they're busy over here with these culverts It should have been done finishing the culbert job That was
Yeah my I guess you know so arterior canals have a certain size Correct Arterial not arterior Yeah Etc Right Smaller Okay Everything north everything north of Okachobee is 72 in Everything south of Okachobee is 96
until you get to North Road and it's 48 I believe I'd have to look it up because I haven't All right That that was my concern You know we've had this conversation about standard design before So each each of these projects does have an engineered plan Um and that is something that is
uh No they said there's plans in there I saw them I'm just saying my my concern is that we're going to have this size on this one and then the same spot on D road we're going to have a different size You follow you understand where I'm going okay No there's a standardization with respect to that Does anybody have
any questions for the representative of the bid okay All right Thank you Do we have any public comments on this we don't have any public comments for item nine but we did have one for the consent agenda It looked like it was item nine but it's item two It is nine
It's nine Okay Well we have a comment from Miss Cassie Sushi It is Okay No worries Cassie Sushi Um so I'm looking at the list of what's
needs to get done and we know that F road and collecting canal and I'm looking at these four things and the question I want to ask from what I heard from Folsam and 25th Culvert is we're going to spend $149,000 on a bridge so we could mow
grass and we have sewage I mean it's 149 Is that is that what I'm concerned so if that's what it is unless it's falling apart um and it you know affects the water flow or is it just for mowing grass because if it's just for mowing grass
maybe we could do something smaller cheaper and maybe contract the code Question Okay Okay Let him answer your question First nor does your microphone Okay There's my microphone So uh the first issue is the covert doesn't work It's two foot too
high So anybody who lives on G- Road West their water does not drain and their properties do flood Um and it's mainly because of this culvert Two um I have personally witnessed school buses almost split into the canal because the can the road is too narrow and that
culvert is too narrow So um I personally believe it's a public safety issue between the people who work on that road live on that road and our children who are driven home on school buses down that road That's all I was just confirming that there was other issues besides just mowing grass because I just
heard that maybe we could use it for something else No absolutely The mowing grass thing was a side thing after Professor that was your only concern Miss S Okay good Fellis did you have a I'm going to make a motion Okay I'll make a motion to approve resolution
2025-23 uh approving the award of contracts to her homes LLC and Johnson Davis Inc for the town's continuing service for coverts construction replacement
maintenance repair and individual projects including those over 300,000 IFB number 2025-01 and the award of work ordered for the four specific Colbert Bridge
projects to her homes LLC Second motion very long motion made by Phyllis seconded by Lisa All in favor passes 420 to zero Okay on to item number 10 Discussion of scheduling
council Um it's a big chunk Wait I think Phyis has did you have something you wanted to say i do I want to say that Marge is not here She's not on Zoom and we have a huge agenda And now that we're going to be discussing each consent item
I was wondering if we should push some of our discussion items to the next week and respect for the vice mayor Well it's 7 o'clock Why don't we see where we get to
by 9:00 and then we'll make a decision or do you want to put the whole agenda can we do a consensus well just I'm I'm trying to think what you I'm I'm offering solutions Okay And then we'll get a consensus I'm offering solutions
So one solution is that we see where we get to by like nine o'clock and then make a decision Okay uh on how far we go moving forward Another suggestion is that we make a decision right now to get to item number whatever and then we uh
agree to meet again let's say on the 15th I think the 15th we were going to have a volunteer recognition night anyhow Um and we could have a a workshop after that since these are all discussion items anyhow There's no voting items They're all discussion
items We could do that Um and if we moved all these discussion items to the 15th we could then skip forward and handle the consent agenda items that were pulled and move the
discussion to a workshop on the 5th because those are the only things that are voting that will happen tonight that are voting right i'm fine with getting to nine and seeing where we're at Getting to nine and seeing what we're at and then make a decision What do you think Paul yeah I'm fine with that I could even pick a couple of these out that we could just table till like like
table it till the next one Second meeting or something Yeah Yeah Yeah Either way Absolutely Because I'm sure like like number 12 you know Marge is pretty passionate about the the the intergovernmental comm committees and stuff and I know she has some I don't
want to volunt her to do stuff I think Tenn is falls in that too 10 and 12 for sure But um no I think I I I would like to move on with 10 personally since I would like to uh at least move on with some of the discussion of when we're going to do it
Well March I think that's an important one for her to absolutely agree 100% All right So well I I I have a quick quick question See what we can get to by nine o'clock and then we're going to make a decision What's your quick question
oh no I I misread I read committee instead of community I'm sorry As we get to each item if it's one we want to postpone till Marge is back we can just can we pull that item to a date Okay So let's let's do this Is what we're agreeing to is to have a second meeting
to get these discussion items off our plate and so they can move forward to action by having a second meeting on the 15th Is everybody available on the 15th that way we could do we were planning on go from April Fools to tax day I mean come on That's
um volunteer recognition night that night Anyhow so we could kind of May I check my schedule we could kind of um I think combine the events Does everybody volunteer recognition and council
meeting no it would be a workshop because they are all discussion It's all discussion items It's all discussion items So correct I'm fine with that Are you okay with the 15th doing that all right So let's pull Yeah I can do that The 15th Let's pull 10 Move 10 to the 15th Everybody can I
have a consensus on that yes Yes Okay And Alisa said 11 No I didn't say 11 I said 12 So we're going to move 10 to the 15 No Paul said 12 I said 12 Oh yeah So 12 to the 15th Agreed All right let's tackle 11 then and then we'll turn the
page and to decide what we're going to do with the rest of everybody Okay let's tackle 11 Okay On to 11 Do you need a motion to have a workshop on the 15th do I need a motion probably a good idea So moved
So moved Okay Shall the shall the I Okay I'm just You said you want to go fast Madam Mayor I'm just trying to Hold on a second I'm just trying to get a gist of what the evening was going to be I would like to confer with the town staff So you were planning a volunteer
appreciation night that night Anyhow when were you planning on that event starting well I was going to bring it in my comments that we would maybe do it at 5 or 5:30 Okay And we would also have Glenn do the one standard sunshine for
all the committees and ethics do committee members There are committee members So have all our committee members at like 5:30 on the 15th Have cake and cookies or whatever we're going to have Have Glenn give the old sunshine and ethics
15 minute half hour spiel and start the meeting at 6:30 6:30 or seven Your workshop at 6:30 Okay Does that sound good everybody okay Make a motion All of that Motion I make a motion to have a workshop a town council
workshop on April 15th beginning at 6:30 p.m following the volunteer appreciation sunshine ethics committee third part Okay Motion made by Lisa seconded by Phyllis I Okay we're back on the 15th
Got that's why I like my so moved So moved Yes Okay So 15th is a workshop and we said 6:30 Well 5:30 really because of the long Okay On to item number eight Let's see
Item number 11 may and you also is there also I'm not sure was part of that motion or separate motion You're moving items 10 and 12 so far to the 15 Do that We have to do each grouping that we do You can wait till the end of the night and left Make a motion to move 10 and 12 to the 15th You want to motion yep So
move Seconded I need you to say what you're moving Oh you said it A motion to move item 10 and 12 to the April 15th workshop Second Okay Uh I I believe that Phyllis was first on the second Lisa
made the motion All in favor i opposed Passes forward to zero Okay We're now on to item number 11 which we are going to try to get through Um I I have a quick question if I can interrupt real quick So earlier when we were on the consent
agenda Glenn Paul made a motion and I second it and then it didn't go anywhere He withdrew his motion Oh yeah he withdrew the motion He withdrew his motion All right Um sorry for the interruption That's okay He withdrew his motion All
right Uh let's see Item number 11 is a discussion of proposed ordinance updates to the ULDC Sure This is a hot ticket item Let's see who's presenting Jeff Is that you well I think this is a discussion item
So uh I think it's really for you all to discuss and depending on how you want to move through this The I think we should take each you have them done separately by little chunks right so I think that
we should take each one separately So let's look first at the voting rules because that's the first one Lisa you have something to say You got your light on Is that okay with everybody if we take it each one bit at a time sound bite at a time yes we can Um I was going
back through my notes from the March 18th meeting and I think this was was this the cleanupc that was in our future agenda item Yes the first one This is part one right yes I thought at that meeting you said that the height
ordinance was coming back in this part one That's what I I found in my review So I was surprised to see there was no reference to the height here So is there a second part to this or there
are there are many parts to this This is just the first one So it must have been a typo on our behalf It wasn't a typo It was something you stated I did state it and I am sorry it doesn't show that change We do have another one of these coming forward and this is a discussion
item So we can make any change we want to anything here You could we can discuss that if you want to Yeah And we can change anything here Right There's that come back in January And that's a timely thing added off So all right All
right So we'll add we'll add height as the last Let me write it down so I don't forget it We're going higher We're going higher All right So let's take the first one First one is voting rules Okay Do do you
want to give some background on each one of these we have a discussion or Sure Uh the current uldc requires a super majority
um four or more of you to vote in favor of any change to the uldc This is different than the charter provision which requires four votes to
uh amend a zoning um uh to reszone a property or to do a land use So this wouldn't affect that It does not affect the charter change What this is saying is that in order to um
amend a or revise the definition of frontage for example um it would take four votes If we were to incorporate rural Vista standards um into the code
it requires four votes Um if we are to come back and fix some of the glitches that we have found in administering the RV ordinance it would take four votes Um
if you are going to tighten regulations uh with respect to uh manure and what how manure has to to be handled on a farm it would take four
votes Um so the the concept of a supermajority is that the initial document that you were given uh was excellent or sacrosanct in some
some way um because we got it right And when we as staff look at this document I think we recognize that although there was a lot of work put into it and it was derived
from you know what we what the town had been given from Palm Beach County and everything It was not a perfect document It is not nearly a perfect document Um and so our recommendation is that when
we are going to amend the uldc the actual provisions of the ulc not a zoning change or not a land use change but the provisions of the uldc that that should be done by a majority vote Can I just ask one question before
we go any further hasn't that been the way it's been being done all along the uldc changes have been being passed three to two regularly I I believe that there probably
historically have been some that uh in the last five or six years have uh have passed on a 3 to2 basis It's been it's been being done but now we're trying to clean something up to make it legal that's been getting done Yeah Okay What
are the consequences if we don't do this do we then have to go back to and do the research and find all the votes that passed for changes to ULDC in the last five years and revote on all those items um that would be up to the direction of
of council and the five years That's not a legal issue Mr Torivia again we'd have to go back and look and see how many times there was such an instance I'm not sure if there were that many where it was 3 to two as opposed to four to one or 50 And I can almost guarantee you that almost every vote for
the past six years has been three to two I could pretty much guarantee you that one We'll have to go back and look because anything later or longer than five years is deemed approved So we'll have to take a look and see how many times that happened So that would run up an enormous legal bill
Looking back through all that staff could look at that Oh Or give our already not taxed staff an enormous task Okay I'm just I'm just trying to clarify before we we vote on this what is entailed Okay All right Thank you The as
I understand it the um this particular provision was noticed until relatively recently within the last year or so I don't know whether it's adhered to um
but it was not necessarily intentionally adhered to It it was not noticed in the last year It was noticed in the last few months What the past practice was was that any changes to section 20 which is
permitted uses that was voted 41 That is my recollection over the years And we did not previously vote for one prior to that And the Arby's Okay All right I don't know who was first so I'm just going to start left
and I'm going to go left or right I don't know Jeff started talking That's fine Go ahead I'm not go Would you just talk okay I'll talk I'm just I'm patient I can wait So you know I I I can fully appreciate what the mayor's saying Um you know stuff's been happening that way
Maybe it shouldn't have been whatever's been happening you know but you know I I and and I can appreciate your examples Jeff but I mean you know we're supposed to talk about it later discussion as we get to the the end of this document but that
means that a height change could take a 3-2 vote You know that's not just a change of definition change of this change that We're talking about height change We're talking about you know different aspects that you
know I don't know I I I I really have a an issue I mean if it's that beneficial to the code to to clean up the code I think that that the five people sitting up here could come to a you know come to a an agreement If it's something that
that's you know you true housekeeping I think we could come to an agreement that it's housekeeping you know changing of verbiage changing of you know there's some other se we'll get to it and I got notes but you know I I I I personally personally I say we leave
it at 41 Okay Phyllis what do you have to say um I my question was could you change um put your mic down My question to them when I met with management um was how does this affect
the Okchobee overlay can they do a three vote to commercialize Okchobee and the answer was no So I think zoning changes is a no correct on changing this which is most important but part of the
problem and part of the what the folks were here saying and part of what you're seeing tonight regarding perhaps the consent agenda is um just trying to get this stuff fixed and moving the town forward and um so I have no issue either
way Lisa Yeah I'm sorry Jeff Can you You said this would not affect zoning Is that Is that was your statement uh a reszoning would still have to be
full on even though it says here amend zoning regulations and good planning and zoning practice H how and it says passage of any amendment to the uldc because a zoning a zoning designation or a land use change is not an amendment to
the uldc Um it is amend you're amending your actual I understand but it states zoning right here So I'm I'm cur I'm confused Land
use falls under the ulc It doesn't have a page It's bas 05 070 Top of Oh section two Second section page of the draft Top of the second page Um I I think that
that's misleading language Um section two What do you refer i have it at the bottom of the second page of the d of the draft Yeah it's the second top of the second page of the I see Council to amend zoning regulations of
article five Okay So is that a um I'm just error Yeah I'm confused about the passage of any and then it refers to planning and zoning
and I I just want to make sure that if if we were to pass this at a three vote for certain like cleanup language we could still keep the supermajority for the zoning Well the super is the zoning is is part of our
charter but that's not what it says here Yeah So is that a clerical error i'm still hunting for a word We're on the second page of the draft document at the bottom Yeah
Jeff The second page of the draft document at the bottom Section two Isn't that just Isn't that just the verbiage directions saying what's stricken is stricken and what's talking about underline is underlined It's not
it what what it's talking about those things in in general But what this the voting issue has to do with the uldc itself passage of any amendment to the uldc shall require
um it used to say any amendment to the uldc shall require a super majority vote of four more council members Now it's proposed to say passage of any amendment to the uldc shall require three council members or more to vote to adopt We are
talking about with this particular sentence amending the ulc itself but the but the sentence before that is the one that Lisa has an issue with or and which you know seems reasonable town council to amend zoning regulations of article
five What it says is that you are you are authorized by u the town council is authorized to amend change the regulations district boundaries classifications of property which is
land use and zoning You are authorized to do that um that may be uh established by the ULDC or amendments there too but passage of any amendment to the ULDC requires a three vote It doesn't
This sentence does not and did not speak to changing a zoning classification or changing a land use What it was saying is you was you have the authority to
amend zoning regulations including reszonings of properties and those kind of things what it's saying what it's particularly addressing with the this requirement because the 41 requirement was already in the charter um with
respect to resonings and land use designations is that to amend the uldc it would also require a 41 vote and what we're proposing is that to amend the uldc not zoning regulations because
that sentence only speaks to the uldc is it should require three beds Okay thank you for that clarification Um in the ULDC does that not cover like land development regulation and language to that effect
it it covers the regulations It doesn't cover I FAR and all that stuff Yes Okay I'm absolutely that's all I'm uncomfortable I'm uncomfortable I stick with the floor to the majority on that one So but this is just a discussion So
are you done with your Oh sorry Okay Do we do we have any public comments on this are we going to do each item huh A public comment The first person in Mr
S Sorry Yes Okay Thank you Okay Thank you so much All right Good evening everyone Have you heard the phrase end justify the means right so code enforcement is
not working Let's blame uh supermajority issue Um and I heard that decisions were still taken with 32 votes but court enforcement still didn't do it Uh enormous legal bill is going to happen
Oh yes Oh suddenly now we change it and we can historically change the dates I don't think so If some lawyer is listening he's taking notes that you are trying to bypass something So that's absolutely wrong justification So rather than giving our new council members a chance let's
bulldoze over it So here are my specific comments Um I have two issues One is with the whole protocol and and some of that speaks to the discussions today Um it says in the memo a number of these
provisions have been previously uh directed by the council and to ensure transparency and accountability I would like to ask who in the council directed the town manager for this agenda item I mean how do we even decide what's priority or certainly let's change this
rule who decided that secondly who authorized this language who said okay let's so the here is the language to make our town forward and and the change is necessary to move forward and the meet the need of the community
Necessitating a super majority gives undue power to the minority Okay let's talk that's my second major issue Let's talk about minority So we have Mr Coleman who was just elected with more than 65% of votes and uh Miss Lisa Al
Remy who has been just elected unopposed and suddenly they their their representative have no voice So I agree with the inefficiencies and all that stuff but shouldn't the council be working now that we have new council let's work together uh give proper
direction I've been on the committees I have seen issues where major things you know cost you politically but then you all work together to give particular direction so I I think we are jumping the gun here too fast and and we should keep the things as it is for now thank
you public comments on this the next public comment is Mr Frank Stish for item 11 And then following Mr Standish is Miss Cassie Sushi and Karen Plant Frank Standish 154 Winnow North Road Um
it wasn't discussed but my issue is town manager has final say We elected the five of you up there to be our mouthpiece to do what we all the way our life is out here you know but
having the the ma the manager make the final decisions on this stuff it's unbelievable that word he even put there It's in our charter Yeah But not for ULDC not for making you guys You guys
make the decision The town manager doesn't get the final say It doesn't say that And we don't elect we don't elect the manager You understand what we're say what I'm saying well that's not what it says I just wanted to clarify that's not what it says here but okay Right But
anyhow that's the way it looks That's the way I read it I could be wrong I'm sorry But anyhow that's that's how I feel I you know we all trust you guys to make the decision We elected you You know thank you And that's and right now it's not just that is there's a lot of
mismanagement and inconsistencies with town staff That's that's a problem with the uldc with stuff going on and you all need you know the town people are are
talking to you every meeting and there's a lot of stuff you aren't hearing I I mean it just you just don't hear it Thank you for your comment And who else is next next one is Miss Cassie Suchi Cassie Suchi So I'm not sure how you're
doing this I guess in chunks Um I'm concerned So we have the voting in there established for a reason and exactly what Paul says it's there for a reason Um I'm concerned you chip away
you make something a little less accountable and it changes why people moved out here and what protects us speaking to the guy from Seo why he thinks this is a unique environment and
I don't understand if you're changing uldc's like permissible uses then you can have a simple majority to allow manure dumping or an industrial use I would assume that's
uldc um my understanding is basically we have a four vote supermajority property It's written in our charter It's written throughout Obviously we're seeing it on this It's there for a reason It was written in to protect us We incorporate
it to become a town to protect us And I'm concerned that when we take away some of those protections we run the risk of taking away what we are protecting So I would suggest we keep it the same way it was
in there allow the other council because I don't see how it makes the minority any less Everybody up there is a voice Everybody was voted by us to be our voice and I think they should have a voice and if it's in there it's in there for a reason I don't think we need to
chip away at it Thanks Thank you for your comment Anybody else i have one The next person is Miss Karen Plant I'll wait I'm going to read the last paragraph It says "Whenever the public necessity
convenience general welfare or good planning and zoning practice requires a town council may by ordinance amend supplement or change the regulations district boundaries or classifications of property now or
hereafter established by the ULDC or amendments hereto Passage of any amendment to the ULDC shall require this part is crossed out a supermajority vote of four or more council member and put in three council members or more to vote
to adopt I don't think it's a good idea I think four to one is okay 5 to zero would be better I know other towns have adopted this to save their town from development from all the garbage that's coming into town because if they don't get five votes they can't change things
Um so to change change it and go back in time to three that is crazy I wouldn't approve of that for this town I think it's a bad idea We love our rural town We love our agriculture and it's a bad idea Stay four to one If nothing else go
to five to zero Thank you for your comment Randy you had something you wanted to say yeah I do I just wanted to say that um in the past not this council but other councils have talked about the fact that we do need to go back and take
a look at the ULDC in total because it was written um early on and then it's been amended in patchwork pieces One thing I'd like to point out is that we completely um reviewed and readdopted
our comprehensive plan and the uldc has to be made to match the comprehensive plan It matters not to your staff how you vote whether it's 41 or 32 However one of the things that we have heard is
that committees feel like that they don't get their items brought forward um to the council And so I just want to say when committees are bringing items forward that means what they bring forward needs to be a 41 as well So
where am I going with this one um it matters not to any member of staff how you change it Two the items that are in here are items that have come up through the year For instance there's some correction here to the self storage that
was discussed in public meetings The fact that the height wasn't included in here that is a mistake We did work with Mr Torcivia's office on all these The uldc is not written by the staff It has been written by the attorneys Most
places it's written by the planner most places your planner is the interpreter of the code The reason why we don't have a planner as the interpreter of the code here is because there was an issue of having a contracted person and I think
there still is an issue of having a person being a contracted person It really matters not who the interpreter of the code is on the staff but there does have to be someone on the staff to interpret it because otherwise
what has been happening is that our attorneys have been interpreting the code and the attorneys can't defend the code that they have interpreted It's a difficult position to be in So just in summary we want to protect the town We
don't want to tell you what to do I certainly don't want to be an ultimate decider and this wording isn't intended to do that Every item has to come to the council to be voted on No change can happen in the ULDC without the council
voting whether it's 41 50 32 And by the way 32 gives you a no as much as 41 and 50 give you a no So there are some things that you might want to consider And maybe this was you know something
that needed a whole lot more discussion before it came onto the agenda But again it's a discussion item and you can go through for instance on rural vista you can make things in your rural vista for once You don't have to have every change
in the ULDC have the same boat because if you want to change the sign code 32 might be enough If you want to fix buffering 32 might be enough But if you want to do hard though to categorize which ones are going to be 32 and which
ones are going to be one I would think open us up to people thinking I just wanted to to make the point it is all up to the council and you know it does need to match the comp plan The consensus I hear hear from the council
and from the citizens tonight is that we will will want to keep war one for the voting changes to the uldc Madame mayor I just want to correct the record I think Francine made a inadvertently made an error that says that the attorneys are the interpreter
of the code That is not case at all Uh this was a really good collab well in the draft of this this was a very good collaborative effort Scott went on for six months Multiple drafts got exchanged between our office Francine Jeff uh
Caitlyn Mr Flechman Um and the most recent draft that I thought was on the agenda stated that the council is the final interpreter of the uldc where the ULDC provides for administrative decisions The town manager is the final administrator and we were surprised that
on Friday that was changed to make the manager the final decision maker So I was disappointed that the collaborative effort that we had kind of got changed at the last minute and I discussed that with Francine before the meeting I said why would you make that change after we
had six months of collaboration So I don't know why but we don't agree with that change We think the change should be what the collaborative group said which is that the council is the final interpreter of the uldc When the OLDC provides for administrative decisions then the town
manager is the final administrative interpreter of the OLC It becomes and that is what this says and it references back to other sections of the ULDC Section article 145 administrative appeals states that the council is the
final interpreter Nothing can get through anywhere in town without the council being the final vote That vote is the final interpretation And if I do something in code enforcement that somebody doesn't like they have the
ability to appeal and they appeal to the 15th Circuit Court Or if somebody doesn't like something that happened in a development review they have the ability to appeal So the both sets of language do not make the town manager
the arbiter of the code They o it only allows the manager as your employee your charter employee to go ahead and direct traffic and if some consistent with the code and if there is a problem someone
might appeal it to the council and nothing can come through me without coming through you unless it is already so stated in the uldc and right now there are a number of things in here that are already so stated for the town
manager to take care of That's why I'm suggesting you know that this hasn't been looked at in whole in I guess 16 years Um and it's probably not a bad idea since we did the comp plan update
for the whole thing to be looked at for consistency And I don't care who does it or what the turnout is just that it's consistent and the people that it applies to understand it That's all Lisa Uh since there seems to be a a
difference of opinion can you provide a specific example of where it's not specified and would require a particular interpreter or administrator can you provide an example of that i can I can for instance with regard to
access to properties if we had to build culvert bridges the way that the uldc currently reads we would go ahead and prohibit our water flow in the canals because every 200 ft um we would be putting a culvert
enricher is more technical on this than me but the way this reads now um we would be putting a lot more culvert bridges to give people the individual access or limiting of the shared access Right now there's a shared access limitation So
and we did have the issue of lot splits happening this year because a lot of things are happening with people buying properties and subdividing large properties not below five but you know turning let's say 40 into a series of
five acres when that happens you have to go ahead and have access to those lots And so the matter of that interpretation is something that you know the staff whether it's me or a delegation to the
engineer would readily be able to make in the best interest of the town Well how is that a subdivision that a a particular land owner is is doing how is that the town's problem isn't that the land owner's problem to provide those
access and grass egresses to that flat if they follow what's in the code right now there is an opportunity there is an interpretation that would have individual access through culvert
bridges which would restrict the flow that we currently have in our canals We went through this on a couple of different applications this year you asked me off the top of my head That's the best one that I could give you right
now But I agree this needs a whole lot more discussion than tonight because there's lots of little nits and picks in here that you know when they were written they meant one thing but in application today with the footprint of
the town the way it is they can be interpreted and applied another way not necessarily beneficial to people the same thing with addresses Okay Thank you Okay You're welcome I'm This sounds like it's going to be since
we just spent like 25 minutes on the first little tidbit This sounds like it's going to be a really item Yeah A behemoth item So I'm going to make the recommendation that we move this motion to move this to the 15th Mayor we still
have one public If I could have just one quick one quick explanation on the interpretation because we just went through it uh a little bit earlier There was a question as
to what this first paragraph means and whether or not it meant that uh resonings versus ULDC were um all the same or not and whether this this sentence um whichever
way you want to read it whether the ULD an amendment to the ULDC um requires a certain vote Somebody when you're administering a code has to make that determination If you don't have a
particular administrator designated the question becomes who who makes that determination is it your planning director that's in most cities that I've uh been around
because they're larger and they have larger staff It is the planning director that interprets the uldc because they have that particular level of experience Here we do not have an employee who is
um a planning director So the fallback position is let's have it be the town manager because it should not be the attorney because what an attorney's responsibility is going to be is to not
interpret the code but defend the interpretation of the code For example if Mr Tivia made um an interpretation on something and that was appealed you
would be then in the situation that he's not your town council He's a witness He's a witness that's subject to crossexamination and we would then have to hire somebody else not with his firm to sit in that chair and give guidance
to you all So the idea is you have a bunch of provisions in here um that need to be interpreted People can argue about every single sentence in here and from an administrative standpoint you have to say somebody is
charged with making this decision I think that's what was said Jeff It was said a while ago I've had my light on for I don't know 30 minutes That's what was said It was it was cleared up right over here that that nobody's saying that
she's shouldn't be the administer of the code You know Mr Tivia said that we are the final interpreter and she's the administr administrator I fully agree with that I fully intended when it got to that section We hadn't gotten there yet but I fully intended to say and and
you know because folks folks that don't work in government Jeff don't understand So yes there is somebody who has to discern what is this and what is that when the code enforcement call please Okay I I' I've been patient The code
enforcement comes forward and says we have this this possible code violation It's up to the boss who now right now because we don't have a code manager is Francine and that's where the verbiage comes in And you know sorry if I'm getting a little excited I've just been
sitting over here like you know chomping at the bit You know the first part it it it it talks about zoning regulation you know zoning use and stuff like that does not cover that That's that's different That's zoning ULDC is height of building
you know design rule vista etc right and the the review and change I've been screaming that for a long time And then I just actually brought it up a couple months ago when I was sitting on the ULDC board I honestly I mean I appreciate that there's been six months
of collaboration on this and stuff like that and we have some some stuff to go through as far as but why can't ULDC look at this and go yes all these all these edits are good or bring for I mean we did it with rule Vista and it's ready
to go well almost And you know I don't understand why we sit here It should be kind of that isn't that why we have a ULDC committee is to we we everybody said it I've said it multiple times before I sat up here You know let's
start at page one and work through the code and and pick apart these things They can start at page one and bring the first 20 pages with the edits that are necessary to give it teeth I'm all for that But there's no sense like you said we've sat here you sat out there with me
multiple times You you sat up here Lisa we've all sat here and watched people beat their head against the wall till 1 2:00 in the morning right and that's why we we wanted these committees back right i agree with you 100% Are we all okay with just sending these changes to DC
and having their recommendations come out what Well let's ask this question first What's I know just finished with um Rule Vista Vista and they have the sign code coming to them which is pretty
meaty Um they also have all the agurism They have the agurism coming to them So this would be put off quite a bit if we send it to them first because they've got two other kind of major I'm just talking about timely moving forward
Paul about how it should be done in a per perfect world but we have a volunteer committee They have two pretty major projects queued up right now Do we do we want to I'm looking for consensus Do we want to as a group put this third
in the queue of that or do we want to go ahead and try to tackle this ourselves without I mean there are some things but maybe we want to just do like okay let's look at updated definitions revises definition of self- storage facility to
ensure indoor only access and no residential use I think we can all agree that that's yes that's a good thing Can we all agree on that to make to make that we would want to make that change or is there something that you have an issue with that one is No I think um
this just needs to go to uldc I I think we could find easy lowhanging fruit to check off but I think there's enough here to just go back and but I think we needed to back at a date certain because I I don't think these changes give us any more teeth than we already have
That's my point I I really I I really don't think that you know if something came up I I just don't think that changing the def I mean the definition of what's it self I mean yeah that's kind of a you know I don't know why it was written the way it was written
because it is kind of you know yeah again because we we peacemeal everything we we took bits and chunks from different places because we were new and you do need definition of self storage because we had that you know whole thing with the one up front So okay So the
consensus seems to be to send this back to ULDC Um and here's a question Um if um gets together is this something that we can expect them to take two meetings
on three meetings on is there any way to interpret that so we can say we want it back by the July meeting or something well again I just said they have two major things going to them Yeah they have this They have two major projects queued up that so this isn't even going to go that we're sending it to them but
it's not going to go to them for well what do they have first they have they have sign code sign code first and they have agro tourism so each of those is at least one meeting if correct right I think they might be more than one
meeting right but each of those is at least one meeting so putting it putting us let's put four meetings out to be safe with those When would these changes go to them august In August So that's that's the soonest we
can hope for to get to them Oh okay May I yes please do Thank you Okay So there's changes to the RV thing in here I see RV Okay Um well I would like to
bring something up I know um height you know um commercial height is important to you but we have um several people in this town that can't afford to live here They've lived in here this town their whole lives and they've found they're
disabled and they need to live in an RV And we seem to be have neglected our own We made sure we had RV spaces for the seasonal equestrians and all their staff
However we seem to forget about our disabled folks that just can't afford to live anywhere else So I think we need to add something in there for them I'm hoping y'all don't have an objection about Well that would that would entail
us bringing back the the RV program and looking at that as a whole because I I recall sitting up here and there was a big back and forth as to you I was sitting out there Sorry There's a big back and forth as to what the acreage was going to be right and Mr Austin keeps bringing up that it you know he
brought up at the last meeting that it's not perfect Well well we as France has just pointed out nothing's going to be perfect the first time you put it through What I what I suggest on the RV thing is that we wait until we get through a season which would be as Phil's pointed out like the end of this
month and then you know I'll bring back our list And obviously on Phyllis's list is going to be that of the things that worked and the things that didn't work And then we'll have to revisit and make some tweaks to that Okay Clearly there is a provision and there is a provision
for Sorry I didn't mean to cut you off I apologize I I don't believe so You're around There's an ADA provision in there that we are construing as allowing um some of those things Say say again Jeeoff I didn't hear you There's an ADA provision
in the ordinance that we are construing as allowing um those people to live there when they bring it to But it's not in here currently It's in the It's in the ordinance It's in the ordinance It's not in the RV or ordinance but in the RV or
ordinance So in the meantime I would suggest that we can possibly assist staff in saying that hopefully they're not going to evict anybody that has lived here their entire life um because of this RV ordinance at the
moment that we can make a concession for a few people until we get this straightened out Hi Lisa Do you have any objection uh I'm curious to see where this is going So it Okay so I know two people
that have lived in this town far longer than either one one of us They're both No they're both disabled They've lost their homes for whatever reason And the only places they can afford with their benefits at this point is to live in an
RV And they don't want to leave the town That's the problem this is where they've lived their whole life I I still don't think I understand the full ramifications of that So I think we'll talk about that in another yes another meeting
at the um at the end of April I guess let's put that on the since we'll be we'll be a year into the RV thing We'll probably know whether we got through all of our code violations with it and whether things were settled or everything Let's put the RV ordinance
back on May or June june June is the ear Let's put it back on June Well okay I see even May as a discussion item where where Phyllis can you know kind of build on that and understand is this a year round thing I don't Yes it's an annual thing Okay I that's what I'm talking
about We need to discuss that depth of it and you're just throwing it out here tonight They're talking about ADA compliance I I say we Well you put height in here So I felt it was I didn't put height in there Francine did when she stated at the last March meeting it was part of this That was my It was
supposed to be part of this group of corrections and it got inadvertently left off and now it's stolen and it is going back to the old and that I was mistaken I didn't realize and that's why I want to make sure I'm happy with discussing what you're bringing up I
just think it needs to be elaborated on more fully and maybe this ADA thing they're bringing forward It's the first time I've heard of it I think you too So agree Yeah there's discussion about when they originally were talking about the whole RV program there was like what if my aunt Susie moves down from Wisconsin
yes I heard all of that So maybe have it as a discussion in May Maybe June for some more real actual changes Maybe May we can bring back what yeah sure Council can have it I I really think it's probably better to wait till June until we get through the
whole cycle to have the discussion and whatever and that is what's going to result in changes We'll have the discussion We'll talk about what changes we all agree on and then we'll vote on it in July but there'll be plenty of time to implement it before the new I I
have a question See yes I mean this is a discussion We're not voting on anything particular but could I make a motion to bring certain items back as a as a first reading or whatever at the next meeting that I think are just boilerplate
changes that would kind of condense down what the ULDC is going to get I'm okay with that If you want to try to do that Okay So I'm I'm thinking I mean I have notes on some other stuff but I'm thinking you know if you're brave enough to do that go for
it Well the story Well we're not voting on it We're just going to bring it back as a Yeah Like okay So which ones do you think for a vote next time or per as a freestanding ordinance Hold on
I had it in my mind and then we got off Well you had said that the self- storage facility indoor access only was kind of just clarifying something that Yeah I did had some questions about why here but I can't remember You said code inter So which ones list the ones I'm I'm I'm working on it mayor I'm working on it I
got That's what everybody's bitching about So I'm I'm I'm talking about um section five limited act the self storage indoor outdoor I think that's good Um I have some question about the stuff above it I think the outdoor sections
removed deletes to the nonconformity deter determination because we have and eliminating historical legacy is important to keep it to put on that first reading What's wrong with road standards can we just do that or do we need to Yeah
that's I was going to standards Let's see That's I was flipping to um limited access indoor self Is that what you're talking about uses Yeah uses location requirement That number two I checked Number five I checked
That's where the changes were Jeff were you making notes so Paul sorry I'm going kind of going off Paul here's a question If this chunk is not going to go to ULDC till August do we want to just make our suggestions on which ones to bring back and at the May meeting we can just
That's where I was going No I'm not saying bring them back You're saying bring them back in May for a first right yeah Right I'm just saying do you want you want to be on the hot seat right now to pull them out or do you you're pretty confident what you want to pull out right i I think I'm pretty confident I have them checked off but they're pretty boilerplate stuff So that's why I was
just so go get my bearings get look at the list start from the beginning So not voting rights code Hold on I'm just going to go I'm going to go right here real quick I got it So the self storage issues on page I don't know there's no page number section five limited access
indoor the changes there Right Then on to how about outdoor storage i'm there was no section six was simply the the storage of recreational vehicles is subject to the restrictions and
requirements in article 92 to avoid somebody thinking that this is a different standard than was in the RV ordinance We're just saying no I had Yeah I had a note I didn't understand why we were separating that or why we were not just separating and making another line item instead of eliminating
it But the maximum of two that I had discussion on that one that's why I'm kind of trying to do the ones that I don't have discussion Um limited access indoor self storage facility Yes On all those changes 89
Yes Um your ore and canal Yes Um I had a question about the maps we're referring to So not that one I had a question about that one Then uh on to private ingress egress arrangements I think somebody else had some discussion about that one
right are you okay with section 11 coming back or that's what I'm on section 11 Is everybody clear good with that one it's pretty much I think boiler play is just changing some verbiage I'm okay
with it All right Section 11 Lisa Wait wait wait wait wait Okay No I want to I'm going to bring back um I do want to discuss ingress egress So bring that one back Okay So we're doing that as a
first or no to ulc So drop 11 right you want to go to nine tech Phyllis wants Why not eight
which one eight You want Okay Confident in you had a list Yeah No I do I'm I'm I was letting you guys talk I I I Well and Marge is not here by the way so let's just send it all back
Okay I like that All right let's send it all back Madam Mayor just a reminder you do have a public comment for item 11 Go ahead At this time we'll have Bianca Brolad I probably pronounced that wrong Berto
Thank you It's Bertold Um and it really just goes to the item 11 zoning situation That doesn't seem quite clear And I think to change that to a from a super minority
to a regular um minority super majority to a simple majority There you go That one I think would be a huge mistake because the wordage is muddled as it is I think it would open some doors and some loopholes that will be really
difficult to close and especi especially in light of what's happening right now I think it would be a big mistake to do that That's all I got Um well the RV park for one we have some big developers here and you know that Um
you're the realtor for it Um that's what's happening You know comment about this item specifically that I just mentioned the item 11 was about ingress and ingress The item 11 also speaks about the zoning change that Jeff
pointed out Actually it doesn't speak about zoning changes Well he was we weren't nobody was quite sure about it seemed right He was like okay and then Lisa also mentioned were does it actually allow then a zoning zoning change bring does it bring it in nobody
was quite clear about it but that's my point Yeah it's and I think we all have concurred that well and I just want to say with for but thank you for your comment We've certainly appreciate it Yeah Thank you Thank you Okay So all right So the whole thing's going back
The idea of pulling a couple things off and taking the workload off the LTC if we possibly can come to a since that's come up right now We we go through it with that thought in mind and then we bring back to May where we're all thinking in those terms and then have a
first in June and a second in July That sounds perfect Just puts it back a month Let's Is that where Yeah Instead of Let's just put things here Yeah Let's Let's make the discussion in Actually we can do it in April 15th
Let's do that on April 15th Let's all come with a little listy poo of what of what we could be happy what what gets sent to uldc and what we would be happy just letting go and we'll see if we can perfect if we can go by section number to make it easy by section meaning
meaning section 12 So exactly or part of section 12 if you don't if you can't go with the whole thing So split item 11 into goes to uldc All right Goes to first reading Okay And then we'll see if
we can come to some kind of a consensus on that Sounds good Do you need a motion mayor sure please That would be I move that we move item 11 to the 11 bring it back at the April 15th meeting for
for no more discussion to decide what did Yeah All right Let me back up I move that we move item 11 to the April 15th meeting bring it back at the April 15th meeting to decide what is being pushed to the
uldc committee and what we are willing to take on as a first reading at the June meeting or May meeting Perfect Do I have a second all in favor i oppose Passes four to zero Okay I'm going to as we flip the page and look at
the new numbers I'm going to make a suggestion here because item 13 speaks to the assignments for the committees that we pulled off of the consent agenda So I would like to bump two four five six seven and eight to now so that we can talk about them and the committees
before and take our votes on them before we discuss like establish the committees before we discuss what they're doing basically Is everybody okay with that right I thought we were tableabling committees because of March like the intergovernmental No no the this is our fact committee and
our consent agenda This is a consent agenda In other words we're now going to pull 2 four five six seven and eight from after 15 to right now Okay In this everybody's okay with that I'm okay No after 12 before 13 Yeah there you are
Well 12 got moved because 12 is gone right yeah Okay good Okay All right So let's go with item number two Who was it that pulled that paul what would you like to say about that um I'm just curious as to why I mean everything here is public record Why does this can we
shine some light on why we need to enact legis you know or we're urging the state so basically this is we're sending a letter to the state urging that the clerk when in the capacity of our supervisor of elections
locally is not part of public record Yeah if you want I'll address that Yes please So over the years a number of different um job positions have been exempted out from the public records law People like the home address Police are
the first ones that we all know about Police fire code officers And so this is now the clerks saying for their safety their home address should be not a public record That's that I fully understand now that you put it that way Thank you
By the way there is also the same legislation up there for city managers but I did not put that on the agenda Thank you Mayor Would you like me to read the title into the record does anybody have any more discussion on this before we read the title and vote okay go ahead
Consideration of approval of resolution 202517 a resolution of the town council of the town of Lockache Groves Florida urging the Florida state legislature to enact legislation to provide a public records exemption for municipal clerks and employees who perform municipal
elections work or have any part in code enforcement functions of a city and providing for an effective date Motion to approve Do I need to go through the whole thing again you could just say the title of motion to approve resolution
2015-7 2025-17 That's No Okay Thank you Second All in favor i'm not making you Okay Now we're on to item number four Lisa I believe you were the one who pulled this one Yes And it's it's
basically a question on on all of those items And you know bear with me on this because I I see and maybe Sammy can speak to this because I know he's been working with some of these
appointees We're provided only a portion of the information of all the people listed So we see Mr Santiago's application we see Mr McClendon's information but yes we sent out the
committee application to all of the newly appointed uh members Some of them are current members on the committees who uh will not be uh ch they have not changed as their respective council person who has appointed them has not uh changed that committee member And for
the rest of them who submitted committee applications they actually turned them in some people uh for whatever circumstances did not uh turn in their committee application but we were able to verify all of their um all of them as residents of the town of Lock Hatche
Groves Okay So um I I'm curious as to why in this agenda we're seeing the Papa property information for all the applicants I I have a little concern I know it's public record Um but I want to
know why that was decided to be included in these items I think the town manager could opine but in the past we've also provided that as proof of uh residency in the town of Locka Hatche Groves and uh no one uh that I'm aware has an
exemption on record Um we wouldn't provide that if in fact they did So this this whole papa piece on each property was included in the the agenda packet in the past I did not direct that and our
rules for committees changes changed last summer and one of the rules is that they have to be me they have to be residents of the town So that's why I believe they're in here But I can't really speak to what Valerie's decision
point was Okay I was just I find it very concerning while it is public record that this is being put into the agenda Council members properties aren't included in the agenda this way Um I would just ask that that not be the case
in the future because I mean if you confirm their residency that's fine I think I agree with Lisa It's okay just to have a sheet that says it's been verified by the clerk or something like that I find that a little concerning I mean even though like you said they all they got to do is look it up It's I mean it is public record look it up on papa
but in the future maybe just use because Jeff knows how I like my list but just make a list with a little checkmate address verified not in code violation you know whatever other standards there are resume provided all that kind of stuff I think that would be sufficient I
agree as well um with that and not everybody owns property on our committees anymore right some of them So we have residents that are not land owners right paul did you have something to add is is that information part of the resolution
or is that just backup for the resolution that was just back up Okay All right So at this time can may I make a motion for multiple items please okay Okay I'd like to make a motion to to accept consent uh consideration for
approval resolution number 2025-18 1 9 2021 18 Okay so start Yes we did That was the surplus equipment Oh yes My bad My bad I forgot It's been a while Okay back up
2025-1920122 Lisa are you okay you pulled them That's fine Okay All right Second by motion made by Paul to pass four five six and seven Seconded by Lisa Phyis I mean seconded by Phyllis I'm so sorry All in favor
passes four to zero On to item number eight Item number eight was the one I pulled pulled Lisa uh I had asked for the referenced existing contract to be brought forward Um you guys should have
received it in an email earlier today Did anybody print it out i did not I probably did not because I was working so I didn't see it by the time you asked All right Um I have What did you send i didn't send anything Okay Well I had
requested the item number H References in the resolution an existing contract All right And we we're getting something extra in our emails Is that what you No but as Kurts provided it Okay Here's the
policy When one council member asks for something then the clerk usually who would asked them but I assume that Jeff took care of it because the clerk is ill that it is also what what they requested is sent to the other council members so that we're all on this have the same
information for discussions such as this Go ahead Lisa I'm so sorry Since this is such an important piece of information that that Jeff provided earlier I I think it's extremely important that everybody have the paperwork in front of
them to discuss this item with full clarity and transparency Can we take a 10-minute break and have those printed out for the other council members to review why don't we go to another item no let's This is what we need to finish Sorry Okay fine 10-minute bathroom But
thank you We print out print these out for everybody Thanks online We I don't think your committee Were you reappointed by Lisa Ramy i believe Yeah Um so if you just send the committee application back to me and fill it out
that'll be fine Okay Because we already approved you We just provided you're one of the folks that we provided um your papa sheet in there just to confirm your residency We just did it for We only did that for public record
because it is public record period That's um they are for the we us well for all of the committee members that we verified how would they um now they gave us clear direction for us to do that in the
future but previously that's it's been done that way well that was the direction that we were given this time but they provided direction moving forward not to um not speak to Thanks Fresh
at Lisa I believe you're the one who wanted to see this and know what people were working on So let's go with this Each one of these is separated by a divider with the committee Uhhuh And um DC Yeah Thank you
sir ULDC um is the first one up um and they have the sign code going out to them They also have um the um agurism agurism
which had a lot of things that have an impact in terms of the um uldc and then we have what we're sending them on the uldc So that's probably enough for them for close to through the end of the year but we'll it's a lot I'm sure we'll be sending
other stuff back to them That's a lot And we've got you said we have a second and third list of cleanups that need to come too So there's there's like seven cleanups Maybe we can do it We'll just look at all Maybe we could do it the same way we did this is we can bring it back We we'll deal with this first group
Decide which ones go to the which we can just read We I mean we'll do that again the same way Does everybody okay with that which ones we'll pull We'll decide which ones whenever we think of a ULDC cleanup Sounds good What you decide is what what you what you're willing to just pull and put on a second reading I
mean a first reading the next month and what you think needs to be sent to you That's perfect I like that Okay So we'll put the second group on the ag on the June agenda and we'll follow the same procedure Okay Until we can get all all the groupings cleaned up I'm sure we're
going to hit some we're going to hit some little bumps where we're like whoa what's up with that but I think most of it's going to be just language and y you know hopefully we can go through them quickly that way Okay So that's well go ahead I'm sorry The next one is red gak
and um actually the name of this committee was changed during the comp plan update and none of us caught it It's supposed to be called multi-use trails and greenway advisory committee So according to the comp plan
it's muck geck So okay Of course it is I got to love Okay So we could change that You can change it Yeah Trails That was the last rails but it covers so much Yeah That's because I think somebody made a comment about looking at some road standards or something and then I
know my committee member has been trying to reach out to me and we haven't been able to find a mutually convenient time to meet the roadway standards I don't know if anybody else's committee member has reached out to them on that but she felt she wanted to meet with me and get
some direction from me before they looked at that I don't know What do what how does everybody else feel about that well I am Katie Lakeman and I think um served um I think her husband is a
contractor and I think he builds her own so I would be more looking to her Okay So well there's nothing that says you can't sit down together and go over it with your Yeah I love saying I'd be looking for her for advice instead of me
This is one that I think is daunting for everyone because Richard has given this out a few different times Um and I think that he's trying to meet with each member before they have their first meeting and their first meeting is
actually this Thursday April 3rd and it doesn't show up on here because it was changed from March 20th and now it's April 3rd for the roadway guidelines Okay Okay Additionally the members in that group
in Reg they do add items to their agenda They added a couple of different grants Um for instance Coast um they added a few different smaller grants and they also um looked at Treasure Coast and
they also have a couple other items Sammy I can't remember what they are right now Well no but I can pull them up Yeah but they've added to their own and I know that that was a question that folks had about the committees adding The other thing that you see behind the
roadway standards is something called the MREG Go ahead The mural project was also one of them right the mural project Um anyway the MRE was updated in 2009 and has not been looked at since
And those drainage standards that you guys were talking about before um were updated in 2002 and had not been looked at since So um this group is also looking at the trail in in Emrach They're also looking at the trails which
we are putting together all of the existing easements that we have so that we can get a fully connected trail and if you want Richard to explain that you certainly can but this group Rick Gak has a tunnel up ahead of them I I have a
question for Richard Did we get a new uh like welcome to Lockxahhatche sign somewhere on B road and southern because I got a call from a resident that was not happy that the sign didn't say anything about a rural
community and um I told him I wasn't aware of any new lots of Hatche Grove signs at the moment and that perhaps that was not um a sign for the plaza you You know the I they were talking about I
think they were talking about Solar Sport Plaza Please hold Pardon i'm going to text Craig real quick I remember he was talking about replacing some of the existing signs because there were some signs that said welcome to Lock Hatche Groves that were like falling apart right and I know we
talked about it I don't recall if we had ordered them and got them in yet Text by now and ask them is actually was on Okachchobee by the school It would be nice if that was maybe at the border
also I think it's or I don't know if you can't do that because it's school property I'm not sure Yeah probably But um he said yes we replaced the and these were just generic signs of logs at Groves that we just took the old sign
down and put a new sign that was exactly the same as the old sign All right So I guess um they're doing I don't know And I guess one of our residents was a little upset that it doesn't say like welcome to Lockachi Groves a rural
community was his suggestion Something about our community And we're still on um 13 Yeah we're on there's one more thing One more thing that they're working on There is because they have to get the agurism
as well because in the agurism there was request a request for townwide traffic standards So some of the rural roadway stuff may overlap with the aggra tourism So I want to step back in time a little
bit to um the I'm not going to do that I'll talk about it next time But can I go back to uldc and maybe can we get some relief um for them to maybe have treasure
treasure coast review the ulc against the comp plan and that would be what would the cost to that oh we can ask them there may be a grant available Yeah because that would take a lot of pressure off the uldc is treasure
coast that does that stuff all the time Well discussion So the problem is right now we don't even know what we're talking about sending But why don't we wait until we get through the three groups or is it three groups of changes you have or or I think it's more than
three groups but we'll break them We'll put them together in three groups Three or four groups Let's wait till we get through the three or four groups of changes make our determinations of which one we can send on a reading and know what the the tome of work that we have left is before we then ask somebody to
do it But maybe consider that as an option other than sending it to the ULDC since it's so far down the road Yeah Yeah Okay All right So let's try to break it if you can into into three bites Okay And then four byes at the
most Okay And then by you know by you know beginning of the summer we'll be through our four byes Okay And then we can look at okay we have 20 items left We have 10 items left What do we have left and then and then we have something to tell Treasure Coast because without
doing that we don't Is everybody okay with that Lisa yes ma'am Paul Phyllis you okay with that yeah Okay Did you have something else to say Phyllis or you just leaving your light on okay Leaving my light on All right Need an energy The next one is fact The fact committee is until six Next one is FAC
Um I spoke with the audit partner They supposedly have a draft So I guess we're getting it any day that will go out to you all and to FAC at the same time and it will be presented to the FAC
committee um on April 28th Also in here is a preliminary budget schedule that FAC will look at and there are about five budget workshops included in that schedule with dates to be
determined So I don't know if there's anything else you want and I think one of the things that we said last year was that we want fact to be included in in our in the budget workshops Right They are listed to be in your budget workshops So I
remember that Okay perfect They have two of their own too Well they can have two of their own and be part of our And then planning and zoning I talked to Caitlyn Um we don't have anything at this point in time that's ready to go to
PCB but there are a number of things that will be coming up over the next let's call it end of the summer time frame There's the Panda Express that I think they met with all of you They're putting in their application or they met
with some council members Um I did not meet with Wait a minute I thought Panda Express is putting in an application history I thought Panda Express is putting in an application for location at the Grove Town Center that
will go through the full process including to PNC and then it will go to council when it's ready the when the application is reviewed Um I our old application for the Seth
Brier property is still active and Glenn can help me with this if he wants to but they are answering um a number of questions that all of the professionals that work for the town had with regard
to their application So that may be or should be coming to PNC and then to council Um I don't know if one of our other active applications is going to proceed
or withdraw but we have a couple of other applications that may be coming forward So there's probably maybe three or four and I'm trying to go ahead and get them listed out for you and have it so that you can see So will P&Z have
anything to do on their April 10th meeting no they will not but they can certainly do um you know an introductory meeting or we can delay it however you all wish to What do you think guys
they're volunteers Should we have the meeting on April 10th if we have nothing to cook before them no I don't think so Especially since we're asking them to come on the 15th I agree with Lisa How about you Paul no that that makes perfect sense Yeah Why are we going take up their time if there's nothing for
them to do not to mention save staff time too So it's So I'm hopeful to have a list for you the next time that we show you what the committees are doing Okay Okay Perfect One last thing It was asked of us to bring forward um the
ordinance um with regard to um committees and um this is it and I guess on 415 if you want to say what you want to change we could do that or we could do it now in regard to committees Oh the
direction whether they're directed by us or they're self-directed or a mashup of the two I think is where we're is that what we're talking about when we was we used to leave our committee members alone So we would get an honest and get their
actual opinion and then it got changed to where the council can right inter kind of intersect their opinion Thank you on these committees
Okay back to item number eight Oh do we need a decision on that no we'll put it back on April 15th If you could tell us the changes you wish to make to the to the if any the ordinance 2024
06 So we're going back to number eight And Lisa had something that she wanted to she pulled it from consent So we're going to let her uh go Uh on the handout that Jeff
provided you'll find um uh looks like a letter head from Slug and Associates dated October 1st 2024 If we all could find that that would be great And this
is something only signed by Mr Slugget but it outlines um the scope of service There's no end date for this service and it's a monthly retainer of $7,500 a month You'll also find from the
packet what appears to be a contract that has nothing entered on the page one but you'll turn to the second page of that And you'll see under section four
item A that it's the term of October 1st to February 28th 2025 On section five you'll see compensation where it says the consultant's compensation shall not exceed 24,999 And then if you go all the way to
the execution page you'll see that it was it was signed yesterday So the term ended a month ago Then you'll also find an invoice believe it's an
invoice My original sheet purchase order99 a purchase order for $24.99 It's a PO date of October 1st and it was apparently generated today And then you're going to find a
spreadsheet that shows that this vendor has received three payments for $7,500 for October November and December So I see some serious concerns and potential fraud here where
we've got documents generated and executed today We've got a charter violation where the attorney did not review and execute the contract per the charter And I have serious questions Not that I have a problem with going forward
with the contract but I have serious concerns about how this all came to be in front of us today which is why I asked for this documentation since it was referenced in the agenda item So that is why I brought this
forward Go for it Who would like to answer this i will but I'm only going to answer the parts that I know Okay On September 19th I put in to email a summary of
discussion of what I wanted to work with Mary on pursuant to what we had been discussing for months Hold on a second before you start your thing Prior to that we had a presentation from Mr Book who suggested who is our state lobbyist
who suggested that we engage the services of a local lobbyist for some of the things that we asked him This is my recollection That is true that we asked him to do some local things and he suggested that we engage a local lobbyist for some of those projects as
that wasn't something that his friend particularly also did or wanted to do for us where it all started right particularly as it relates to grants and also inter agency stuff locally because
he doesn't do stuff with South Florida and you know that type of thing um or the TPA or the county and so I talked to Mary about it and um that's why we got the October 1st proposal from
um Slugged and Associates and at the particular point in time I asked our staff to go ahead and put the standard PSA together Mary will attest to that We do a standard PSA that was drafted by
our attorneys and we try to fill in only you know names and dates and we attach either a scope of services or an engagement letter Um we also went back and forth with Mary
about we had to stay under my $25,000 So all of the conversation and all the work that we did was always with respect to keeping it under the $25,000 So um I do have the ability to
do that and quite honestly I think it was as Glenn reminded me earlier today Mr Curts who brought up the charter language about approval of all contracts in the charter and that's where we have to figure out what we're going to do
because all purchase orders are contracts and there has never been a time that our attorneys have ever approved purchase orders at all Um in fact they have reviewed form contracts when we adopted the purchasing and
procurement manual and code when the current mayor was the um um chair of the FAC we went through the full um procurement manual and we did standard contracts and that was with
another attorney at Glenn's firm And so it's only been recently that and I don't remember when Mr Curts identified that item but none of our purchase orders or any of our contracts except when they've
been professional service contracts have been reviewed by our attorney's office So what we're doing in answer to a council person's request is we are going to provide all purchase orders um because they are contracts and we use
the terms and conditions that our attorney has crafted for us and updates whenever there's any law changes Um and then we're going to figure out what we need to do whether it's the form of the
um contract that has to be subject to his approval or whether it is the actual contract that he has to approve because early on and all the way up until recently those contracts have been the
form of the contract and we do send over the PSAs to get reviewed So that's my contribution I was within my 25,000 I followed a public discussion and I
um believed that um it was towards what I had been tasked to do in a public meeting Would the attorney like to weigh in on that well the charter says that the the
charter says that the town attorney shall approve all contracts bonds and other instruments which the town's concerned shall endorse sign on each one performing correctness So um any obviously agenda items we usually
see we don't know what we don't see So for example I didn't see obviously I couldn't have seen the agreement that was signed on March 31st that was effective October 1st because it wasn't even signed till March 31st I saw it when you saw it today So um you know it
would be um better practice if we had seen the contract back in October and signed off on it And it's an it's an ongoing conversation that we have about when should the attorney see the contract when are we saving money by having
somebody else draft the contract It's frankly less cost-effective to have somebody in staff draft it and send it as to review because we have to review the whole thing to make sure they they've caught everything Most of our clients simply say "We want to contract with Joe for $5,000 to do this We have
our form contracts It takes our staff very little time to do that." But for some reason here it's not done that way It's we'll do a contract and maybe we'll see it and maybe we won't So I I don't know what contracts we've seen which we haven't This particular contract we
didn't see till today It might have been our standard form professional service contract Um but again we're supposed to sign off on a full legal sufficiency So I can't do it if I don't see it And you're supposed to sign it Is it normal to sign a contract a month after the
contract term expires no Is that legal if I say if it's illegal and I I you certainly I would want you all to ratify it tonight I would not sign it at this point because the contract presented to in October to do work through February is being signed at the
end of March and you know it talks about 7500 a month in one place and then a cap of 249.99 in another place So and proof of payments of 7500 that don't agree with the contract but agree with this letter Well the proof of payments look
like they're for three months So my question from seeing it for the first time 5 minutes ago is that are there any payments for January and February because the vendor report looks like they were for payments for October November and December So unless Mary and
Jeff work for free for January and February that's the question I mean you know so it's it's there's a lot of questions that we shouldn't have at a contract like this you know we should have seen this contract six months ago and approved it
and noted that there was a discrepancy between the 7500 a month and the 249.99 cap We met with Mr Tivia and the mayor earlier this year about trying to leverage the work between their firm and
our staff Um and um it isn't quite as simple as it sounded with what Mr Torcivia said The contracts did not come back very quickly and we did not um really fare um as
timely as we would like to But all that aside we have the same issue as we have on many of these other contracts because every purchase order is a contract and every purchase order has not been
reviewed or endorsed or signed by our attorney So what we have done based on the procurement manual and the ordinance that was adopted by the council in 2020 is we have used standard form contracts
and terms and conditions that have been given to us by the attorney and we have taken every item that's over $10,000 and we report the items over $10,000 to the council So you have seen
everything over 10 and everything over 25 gets reported to the council too and there have been times that we have gone over the 25 In this case we haven't and it is my understanding that we do not have bills coming for the last two
months But there have been other times before me um more before me than with me where we've had to go ahead and ratify spending over 25 So putting this on the agenda um I did bring it up before to
put it on the agenda Some of you know that um it wasn't ready until this agenda So you know um I serve at your pleasure and um I am willing to answer
any and all questions And so so that's all great background That doesn't explain how an agreement that's open-ended for $7,500 a month that was generated back in October Then there's a PO that's
generated today and a contract that was signed yesterday after I asked about this agenda item getting this information on Friday This was all fabricated after the fact No it was not there No no it was not No Oh okay Okay
There's no discrepancy in the agreement The agreement is for $24.99 No it's not Yes it is Excuse me Excuse me The the letter that says it's for 7500 You cut him checks for7500 The letter raise your hand The
letter was a proposal that was showing we're what we're showing you is that there was this proposal back in October 1st There are um previous drafts on the matter What we had agreed to and we we had always
agreed to was that the amount of the contract would be for not more than $24,999 because that was the only authority that the manager had So that was agreed to that term There is in addition to this there's emails um back
and forth between people The memorialization of the agreement and the execution of the agreement did not happen until uh yesterday The agreement in its final form was sent to them on uh
March 24th But the essence of the agreement and the material terms of the agreement have been in existence and they were operating in good faith on that basis and there was direction from the manager
um on all of those points So the agenda item fabricated after the fact Okay It is memorialized but it's referenced in your agenda item It's referenced in your resolutions as an existing contract Yes It wasn't No you had a you had a handshake agreement
is what you had You just said they were operating under good We had a we had an agreement If they wanted to enforce that agreement for the services that they provided there's no doubt they would have been able to I defer to my fellow council members on this Well I heard Mr Tivia say that he
suggests that we ratify it and I believe that I was directed by council to have a local lobbyist after our state lobbyist directed us to do so We applied for several grants with our local lobbyists
assistance We have made great headway with the county and we've made great headway with the TPA Um and we have also done I think um a pretty good job of um trying to um identify stuff that we need
to look at for the future I've worked with her on a number of things including fireworks So I don't know how you feel but I will do as you wish Okay Phyllis has something to say So I've been sitting here so I'm sure I
absolutely encouraged um this council well previous council well part of the previous council anyway and um our staff to move forward with Sluggen and Associates because in case
none of us remember that Sluggen and Associates got us $4.5 million for the Okachchobee TPA grant okay which was murdered by three council members that are no longer sitting here And you could thank them for all the accidents
on that road at the same time Okay The Slug and Associates live in our town Sluggets and associates go above and beyond any other vendor in this town They do volunteer many of their services
and I have absolutely no issue I believe they're 100% above board And by the way a contract can be verbal I agree in a municipality should be written Okay But in the future I would not suggest not
going into contracts with Slugged and Associates because they're one of our biggest assets in this town to get grants and money and keep Palm Beach County off Okobee Okay So I also find
that things that go to our attorney's office do not come back to us in a timely manner ever Okay things that go to the engineers also do not come back to people in a timely manner We're still
going through that So you want to beat up Mary and Slugging and Associates but I also feel that there's something else here There is a
gigantic dysfunction of we had an election and now we have people in this town that don't even talk to each other All right so we are always going to have differences of opinion Okay but the whole object of us sitting here is
to keep this town moving forward So thank you for catching that and thank you for bringing it up However I think we'd be losing a great asset not to move forward with this resolution with this agreement May I respond
so I think you missed the point I I had nothing wrong with mayor As a matter of fact I said that this is not about approving their contract This is about the I get what it is It's not a written contract It was not signed on the date This is the lack of staff dotting eyes
and crossing tees and follow and following protocols Please I have I I would ask that this council in order to avoid some of the the and I would agree some of the black holes that occur that as an
officer of the charter that the town attorney create whether it's an email chain back to us with whether it's an ordinance or a resolution if it goes to them They tell us when they got it what the status is if they've returned it and the date for that Whether that's a
monthly report or some kind of email thread you just got to hit copy to to people on that I just think I agree I 100% agree But I want to add one thing Okay Okay Because our problem with the ULC DC and that vote that came back we
have an we need we need to start looking for another law firm And I would like you all to start considering that because this is not just a staff problem Okay Can I say something now are we done
are we done are we done bickering back and forth okay I didn't turn it on this time Here's what I would like to say I think that our legal bills last year were $392,000 If I remember the number off of
the top of my head almost $400,000 That is in my opinion outrageous for a town of our size Um and I have made the request a number of times to reduce
that amount Um and I don't think that a policy of having every purchase order have to go through legal is a way to reduce that How many purchase orders a month do we put out roughly i give me a give me a
rough number 20 100 100 Okay All right Come on If the purchase order agreement was written by that law firm and we're following a template that is legally sufficient good change then that then that should be sufficient Okay as long as we're
following the template under our policies and procedures that was deemed legally sufficient by the law firm that wrote it then that should be sufficient We have to we got to really get into this and this is not the time or the place to get into this but we really got to get into this If we create a
situation where every single purchase order has to go back and forth Even even within the manager's limit of spending within anybody's limit of spending we're creating those legal bills are going to go from you know just shy of $400,000 a
year to5 or $600,000 a year I think it should also be noted that that is not something that has been done in the six years that we've had this law firm It's something that just in the last year they've decided actually just in the last couple of months they've decided that they needed to do um which is
something that concerns me greatly just like the suddenly deciding that we have to go from that that we have the super the thing the point I was making earlier about the supermajority vote but actually letting things pass that were three to two for okay so I have I share Phyllis's concerns with what's going on
um I am somebody who tends to be very fiscally responsible so I tend to be very concerned when we talk about things that are going to implode this thing the other way and make our legal fees is excessive I also agree a little bit with
Lisa that this was done unusually Um but I do recognize that a handshake agreement and an email agreement back and forth and that I also was one of the people that was pushing for this local lobbyist who has worked in that for us in the past to start taking some action
for us I also know that this local lobbyist has been extremely generous with their time um and has come in at under the contract agreement price or under the under what their monthly agreement price is by a significant
amount in order to accommodate us So um with the uh with the uh with that said I think that we should move forward and ratify this I think that we should perhaps
instruct staff and everyone involved that um don't do it again We would like things done not in a not in just a verbal manner in the future And I think that we should let Mary McNicholas speak since she's here and she has wanted to speak
for a while So please stand up and and Question for the attorney though is that not a charter concern that the charter does say that So will we not have to deal with that language effectively well well we will or we'll have to like I
know that in the past with other law firms we've had they didn't interpretate the charter that we had to have all POS sign go through them They they did not have that interpretation That's never happened in the past Nor has it in the six years we've been with this firm It has come up I'm not I've never been
under the impression a purchase order was a contract It is Okay Yeah that to me this was a contract for service with with supposedly a defined a defined timeline So I think that one has to maybe decide what a
contract is like So maybe that needs anything that has consideration an offer and consideration is a contract Therefore a PO is a contract Okay So I think that technically Okay Well we'll have to understand where that line is
gray and harder right and and understand that language 100% Yeah So and again I have not attacked the actual vendor here right i I wholeheartedly agree with everybody's statements about Slug and Associates and how dedicated they've
been That that's not been on the table This was about the staff the pro the process right how it was handled I I hear you 100% But I think we need to have a lesson learned move past it
And what would you like to say i'm Mary McNicholas I'm the person who made this agreement This is a typical I need since there have been things that have been said and I appreciate the kudos and everything It's very nice but there's been words that have been said that have not been accurate and I need to correct
it for the record One part of me wants to just sit down but it needs to be stated This proposal was exactly what it is Most clients signed the proposal and sent it back to us Okay that was not the
case in this situation However since you all had time frames to get things done okay you will notice that there's a 30-day out meaning you can terminate without cause and so can I So in essence when we did this we knew
that it was a PO We did it as a project which was with the TPA and everything that had very serious time frames I went ahead and continued to do the work in due diligence and time frames and completed everything I believe
satisfactorily Hopefully we'll be effective with it this for the record you will only be built up to the $24999 which means that you have $2,400 and some dollars left if if I choose to
bill it But in essence it is five months of work at a discounted price which only the town that we live in is given just to be clear So what I wanted to just mention is is that there was nothing
nefarious about this There was no fraud Everything was done and those words do matter especially to us because of our integrity Everyone here did exactly what I thought they needed I don't think anybody we've been in and out of town so
maybe perhaps some staff couldn't reach us Whichever we understand that Um but as far as things go except for a reimbursement of $25 which is a lobbyist registration fee everything is pretty much you've been build what you're going
to get and you have a 125 credit discount from this Um we appreciate working with the town and if there's any questions I would certainly love for someone to call me ahead of time and give me a heads up Um just because it's
not exactly the place you want to be sitting I understand you all might have some internal things that you have to work out but that doesn't really necessarily reflect on us but we always appreciate doing things with you and thank you for your comments Nice kudos I do want to point out that at no point
in time was there a lack of trying to get that contract in order and there were issues that we had to do to meet the requirements of that contract such as getting E-Verify and also getting the
required paperwork and so on to get the contract in place I fully accept whatever this issue is and I say nothing about any of my staff but I asked for a
purchase order to be prepared and I did not follow up on the details when they told me it was being taken care of I fully own this and I ask you to ratify it I was within my authority I did nothing nefarious I was
never out of communication with the council about the matter and I am grateful to have the opportunity to work with such a committed resident as Mary and Jeff And that's all I have to say
Thank you Paul yeah I'd like to make a motion to pass Sorry Ratify To ratify Sorry Where's number eight 2525 Yeah Resolution 2025-25
Second Favor I I believe there's two different motions I think you need to make Oh that's right Right I think I just passed the resolution We got to ratify We got to make another motion to ratify the the You have to ratify the first one That was October one through February 28th
Correct And then a new one The resolution you just said Okay So can we just have the second one and then go back and do the first one okay Okay So go ahead Mayor We do have a public comment Oh okay Sorry Miss Cassie Suchi Okay never mind I make a motion to
ratify the existing agreement Second All in favor i passes four to zero Madam Mayor let me and I greatly appreciate all the work you you've done as well Let me comment on the purchase order matter We have
never never asked to sign off on purchase orders That's been the practice of the town to issue their purchase orders for years When we had a conversation a few weeks ago Jeff Francine and I and Amelia in our office I told them a a true war story about
purchase orders And I wanted to ensure to be assured that they are using the town's purchase order and not a vendor's purchase order In Belglade a few years ago a purchasing director used a vendor Sunb Belt Rentals purchase order for a
one of those tall trucks that get up to the like FPNL poles And rather than using the town's purchase order they used the vendor's purchase order which said that the town city agreed to indemnify and defend Sunb Belt for any accident that
occurred Well one of our employees got run over by that truck and one of our employees would have a workers comp claim which the town paid for which was great However since there was an indemnification clause in there when that employee sued Sunvelt for a quarter
million dollar for his injuries would normally be covered by workers comp because our purchasing person had signed the vendor's purch $250,000 out of pocket not insurance plus an outside law firm to defend it So my point in that
conversation with Francine and Jeff was use our purchase order was great I don't need to see it We've approved the form Just make sure you're not using the vendor's purchase order But I think I think you're missing the point Glenn which is the point that Lisa just brought up after I made my little diet
tribe which is that if the charter says that you have to review all contracts and that's the way that you're going to interpret that a purchase order is a contract So Lisa is correct in pointing out that we need to work on some charter language and clear it up because it puts
all of us in a very difficult situation There's also other charter language that correct there is there is there I think it perhaps is time to call for another charter review committee and bring some of these things up because this isn't the first time that we've come across
charter language that is that that that and I have for those of you listening who are going to say I'm against the founding fathers I am not the founding I fully support the founders of Lockxahhatche Groves but once again just like with the RV policy they made a
founding document and now it's got some real growing pains that need to be reviewed and looked at just like we had a charter review committee in what 20 19 I think 20 something like that It's time for us just to take a look at it as these things come up It would not it
would be not be prudent for us not to take another look at it and see if we can't um you know get some of this language cleared up so you don't feel so our attorney doesn't feel like they're in a difficult situation so we don't have to sit here and be racking up hundreds of
thousands of dollars worth of legal bills in order to be in full compliance with the charter Um so I think it's time to take a look at some of the some of that language and I'm going to share one with you that you may not know some of you may some of you might not The
charter has the town manager signing for things signing all the checks Correct Yeah Our charter says that the town manager has never signed the check Correct And it was a resolution that adopted that the required signers are
two of the council That is correct And so there are a lot of little things just like that kind of like cleaning up the LDC Yeah kind of like that to clean it up Paul did you have something you wanted to add yeah I just I wanted to concur that I I think that we need you
know I think a periodic periodic review of that is necessary regardless because you know this is 2025 100% You know it's it the the climate is different Our population has grown substantially since then So how many
people were on the last charter committee does anybody remember there was three per council member So do we want to try to come up with three per council member by the 15th can everybody do that so we could start another charter review i heard the
charter review committee was actually worked very well together Correct I believe they did Why don't we Isn't there a state to come back i mean it's been six you're saying five or six you're saying things So let's do it Can we can we look at the last committee and
just ask those folks back to us on the 15th on the that a list of who was on the last committee so we can take a look at it and see if there's any changes we we wish to make or they could email it to us could we can talk about it on the Yeah Because I mean there might be a couple
people on there that personally we might know left or whatever Yeah That we could decide Okay There's three missing So we got to arm wrestle over who gets to appoint them or else we can all agree on it God forbid we all agree on it And mayor I'd like to make suggestions to cut back on your legal bills I'd like
you to direct staff to no longer prepare the contracts and then send us something that we then have to review the whole thing Just tell us the details of what they need Give us at least the timeline in our deadline is three weeks before an agenda meeting We often get stuff the day of or the day before an agenda is
getting published to look at because somebody else put it together and then we've got to fix it Mary's contract is an example We got the contract the day of that it was going out and it was missing three clauses and we had to add them back in Would have been so much easier just tell us back in October we
need a contract with Slug and Associate would have been turned around like that Sorry Glenn I'm not buying that it would have been turned around by that Why did it change we turned around all these resolutions in one day All those resolutions was to be done by staff They weren't done at the last minute We get
stuff all the time at the last minute cuz staff doesn't do it and we get blamed and I'm sick and tired of it I really am You know I you can look in the sauna and that will show you when something gets assigned to somebody We are frequently picking up the slack and I don't mind picking up the slack but I don't want to get blamed for picking up
the slack when we get stuff at the last minute all the time every agenda Well I'm actually a little bit tired of the whole back and forth I think we need to find a better process and you know this is just not working for us So we
need to figure out a way to save money and save frustration and just get the stuff moved forward 100% Okay Could we maybe suggest at the April 15th workshop that that the attorney
come forward with what he sees as cost drivers for the town and a manager can do the same thing when it comes to how those two um divisions are functioning or not functioning This workshop's getting deep Yeah But I'm just saying I don't mind it but I'm just saying it's
getting really I I my concern is that it's a fingerpointing this way right and we're all sitting up here going "What what's really happening?" And I don't think that I think if data shows that this is a cost driver here and then they
can say "Well we can cut it back by doing X or Y." I I just don't think that the the constant back and forth and and 100% I I this conversation with with both manager and the attorney was that I wanted to stop with the fingerpointing
because I really don't care What I care about is how to move things forward I'm tired of hearing who did what or why it can't be done I want to hear how it can be done I want to hear solutions That's what I want to hear And I don't want any more time wasted on the back and forth
stuff I want time spent on creating solutions for our so I' I've had this conversation So okay But I think we need to have this conversation 100% Can we ask at the workshop that they both present why no because I think that's
more fingerpointing I think we Okay Well I I would I would ask the way that you just said that it's fingerpointing So say it a different way where it won't be fingerpointing That's what I'm That's what I'm looking for something more positive Do you understand what I'm saying something that might will have a positive solution outcome I think that's
what you just said is open finger a cost analysis right so um obviously there's no like last minute extra charge like you're not getting express shipping here right like it's not like oh my god we got these things at the last minute but
at our last meeting we set agenda deadlines and we said agenda deadlines will not be broken This agenda was late The deadlines for staff to provide documentation for the agenda were broken So these things were not met in the time
that they're required in order to hit on a target And per our own little policy here agendas are late if they're given out after 5:00 pm on Wednesday Whether that I don't care if it's an electronic I don't mind electric links That's fine with me
But why are we seeing things late and how is that driving up cost particularly maybe to legal or to overtime with staff i don't think we really have an understanding Perhaps that's something FAC can look into I I don't know I don't
know a better way to state it that it isn't you know this is what we get and this is why we we feel this way Paul question your hand Yeah Well because I have my light on and you're on a roll Yeah I
So you'll have to excuse me I I I come from two different worlds I come from government world and I come from private sector world So it is is everything that we have let's just take it on a billable basis right
so is is is tivia is is is that bill broken out itemized per like review po this many hours dot dot dot so we you could break it down some of it is so well no I'm saying just as an example or reviewed
ordinance language or whatever yeah So could we break it down like Lisa's saying and say okay we spent we spent our max we spent all our money in this aspect of it we sp you know yeah you you understand what I'm saying I think what what she's getting at and what Anita is
getting at is that's a very unbiased un nonfingerpoint whatever way of looking at it we it's data we look at it we go okay listen we spent all our money in this well how can we better Francine and Tivia as a whole how can we better organ
you know how can that be more efficient to where it's not you understand where I'm going we we we provide a bill now that's very detailed phone conversation with Francine regarding this or that for the last five months we've been providing Jeff with a report of areas where there was you know livestock waste
money spent on livestock waste money spent sign ordinance commission asked me a while ago how much money did we send on the sign code in 2024 and I emailed it back $9,000 and that was for the sign code that was presented to you in June of 24 I know that's the next issue but you
have just spent a whole lot more money on the sign code because the manager told us that she wanted a brand new sign code not the council I get that But but whether it's fingerpointing or or not when you keep revisiting the same
issue and deciding you're going to change it again and again and again that's where you keep running up cost I mean if Well I get that If we if we sit here and we have you write a new ULDC code in its entirety and it costs us 20 grand and then we come back after we read it and go no you got to change half
the document cost another 10 grand We get that right What we're saying is allow us to let let us understand allow us to help or whatever and say instead of Francine going this or or Jeff saying this is where they're holding us up and you're going no this is that we're holding up because of here and this the
why not just look at the bill itemized for the last year or the two years whatever and say you spent your bulk share of funds and listen I'm not an accountant I couldn't you know you spent your bulk share of funds in ordinance
writing or in defending against code enforcement or def you know that way we can look at it and go okay well you know and it's just a very unbiased we can save money if we can you know let's the bills for the June 1 meeting let's have
the very itemized bills very itemized and and did we also have the list of priorities that were given um I guess it was six months ago and the monthly priorities that were given along with that So I will be happy to give you that I do
want to step back for a moment because there is a little bit of a missing link First I want to say I have no argument with anyone Not anybody in the any firm anybody have no argument about this Really hate this whole fingerpointing
thing Hate hearing about who did what Because once you shoot Johnny's dead he doesn't come back to life no matter what you say happened with the gun Okay What I think we really need is to do council
priorities because we are here to serve the community and you are elected by the community to serve them and we have a prepundonderance of items that have been priorities for years that are not making it to the agenda I will give you an
example The sign code is certainly one It's been being worked on since 2018 The tree removal and the related sections of the ULDC That would be section 87 and section 85 have been being worked on for
quite a long time There are a number of things that have been being worked on for quite a long time And then when the council says "Oh we'll put that on the agenda," then we take a little side trip So what I think we probably need to do is follow what council member El Ramy
said I think it was her at the last meeting Pick three things a month You know I mean because we're saying we're going to get this stuff through just think about it for a moment If we're going to get this through committees and then we're going to put it here we're
not going to be able to meet these deadlines You see we put deadlines with everybody because we know what those deadlines are And right now if you look at item 15 of your agenda we put in here May and June We took all the stuff to
December out so we could just focus on what needs to come in May and June And right at this moment in time you got basically um close to a full page for May of items
Actually a little bit over a page And June is going to be pretty big too So I think we might need to consider doing two meetings a month for a while again which would not thrill me but it is it is what it is because there's just too much to get through Um I agree We got a
lot of ground to cover We got a lot of ground to cover I just think we need to I you know if you guys can look at the schedule and maybe bring back the workshop second dates for every month I mean we got to do out throughout the summer anyhow for budgeting So why don't we start now a couple of months early
and try to get some of these big ticket items off our plate I don't mind But in the meantime I think that if we could have either at this next meeting this ne this April 15th meeting or the June 1st if it takes that long you think that
something that will give me a better understanding of what's going on with no fingerpointing is your priorities list that has been provided to the attorney along with their itemized bill If I could have that that would give me some place some some groundwork to start with
to formulate the questions that I have Okay But I also think that we need to not just the attorney's contract I think we need to review all of our big contracts Um I do it routinely in my business Every couple of years I look at my big ticket item contracts and I
review them We've had this attorney for six years and we haven't reviewed their contracts So with it coming up in what September i think for for renewal I think we need to review their contract I think we need to review Coastal Waste contract Um
I think we need to review the sheriff's contracts I need think we need to look at all our contracts that are really big contracts and take a look at them and see whether we're happy with the services that we're getting in all those places and not um or not happy with the
services that we're getting in those places Is that and I have no idea but is that something that FACK could review no No Okay I I agree with Francine 100% that if you were to have three priorities a month because you have a
list here that is overwhelming for the staff you have I mean there's enough items here that you could have double the staff That's probably what we need to get to And that's and that's whether it's legal fees engineering fees or staff time Engineering That would be the other contract But no matter what it is
you're trying to you're I've heard Francine this say this You're trying to fix 15 years worth of issues in a short period of time If if the council could help us and prioritize say these are the three issues we want to work on for the next month or two months or three months and realize the rest is going to wait
You talked tonight about uldc agator I mean those are sign all big issues and everything the normal stuff keeps going on contracts So I think we're in alignment that there's too many priorities I went through the priority list a few months ago with 165 items 165
I think we're all in that agreement I I really do I think we're all in that agreement You know that that there's there's been I mean Phyllis has sat up here longer than the rest of us She can tell you how much stuff has been kicked down the road Kicking the same can down the road right i left it up to her But I think that's the first step towards us
being able to figure that out is to see what the money's been spent on and what's been directed to be done and then we can take a look So So let's have that for the next meeting and let's put this to to bed But I would like to put reviews of all major contracts if
everybody's in agreement with me and get that done before our budget in August That could be our second our second workshop that we add on next month Maybe the second workshop next month Yeah I think we need a motion all major contracts A motion a motion to review
all major contracts prior to budget review budget discussion starting at second And you want do do you want a motion for second work meeting workshops can I put that all together put it all together All right So a motion to review
all major contracts prior budget review discussion and the addition of a second monthly meeting workshop which would be the third Tuesday of the month if it works in everyone's schedule Okay second
Second Okay All in favor i I Okay perfect That takes care of that So you see that we cleaned up the agenda list for May 6th and June 3rd It's not obviously manageable and we did identify
what we need to send to fact and the time frame there But this is something we need to look at what you want to send to committees before it comes to you So if when we come back on the 15th we could have a conversation on what we
show for you know this is 15 we're talking about Yeah we're looking at item number 15 Tiny table here Okay The tiny table Everything that says May a magnifier glass Everything that says May 6 we have to decide if we can send to committees Well if you want to send to
committee and we have to decide if we can send to committees Right Exactly I think we did make a heavy load for FAC because they seem to go first Recack already has a bunch of stuff and uldc has a bunch of stuff So and charter is
going to have a bunch of stuff So probably not Probably just have to go to our second meetings But that's okay We can't I mean we have to remember too that a those committee members are volunteers and b every time those committee meets committees meet there is
a cost to those committees meeting okay there is between staff legal the play I mean you know there's there's a financial cost to them meeting too so um they should be very focused yes we want to give them we don't want to overburden
them and give them too much on their plate we want to let them you know handle an issue and get it done So well I don't I don't mean to speak for the existing committee but I can tell you the ULDC was kind of chomping at the bit to add something to the plate Okay You know that they were You know what I'm saying it was It was We're good with
going to Rural Vista right yeah Now yeah now they are Yeah Careful what you ask for right i feel like they stack three deep so I feel like they're okay All right So so the direct direction on that Francine is that we're going to look at item 15 and decide if any of the May six
can go to committee or go someplace other than on our agenda or perhaps which ones we want to have at the workshop that month Got it As opposed to on the May 6 from item 15 May 6 from item 15 Let me make that in that right
place All right let's look at the April calendar shall we no Well April is volunteer um appreciation month and um we were hoping and I think we the cat's out of
the bag on that You said we wanted to do something on April 15th and Glenn checked his schedule Now we need to check with all of our committees where we invite them all and they get the um early version of sunshine and ethics and
they can just get right to the business of their committees at their meetings as opposed to that and we'll do something nice to thank them and then we'll have workshop after that Give them turtles Mhm
The other thing is that um I was asked by since we're talking about April I was asked by Palm Beach County Fire Rescue and PBSO um if they could um partner with us to
do family funday Um and I'm supposed to have a meeting with them I think it's on Thursday morning to talk about when we would do a family fun day We do it in May before it gets too hot Well that's what we were talking about doing So I'd
love to hear your thoughts on that Um it's doing it quick Well that's quick I would say May before it gets too hot or October after it starts down a little bit but not in the middle of the summer I hear you I don't need it Yeah Are you okay with October i
mean a month is I mean it's really a month because April's kind of we're here Yeah Yeah By the time it's Yeah Can you be there okay We're We're doing Sorry
By the time it's June July and August it's like forget it So Oh yeah No October It's already hot It's fine That's fine If we did it October near um Halloween that would be a really good that we have We could do like a We can't
We had a conflict with trunk treat one year something We did We did We did So don't conflict with trunkin treat Okay Oh there's they're all over the place though I mean you So we need to have it earlier in October Well I mean we just got to figure it because they're all I
can tell you there's trunk or treats everywhere the whole month Yeah Oh they'll have a trunk or treat too Well I'm very very grateful that Mary stayed because also in April we were supposed to begin the community outreach and
listening session relative to um council's previous direction to us to move forward with a neighborhood or a business district along the southern corridor and what we had talked about doing and I did send you all a very
early draft We have changed and cleaned up the drafts right now and I haven't sent them back out because we wanted to talk with you about um how we wanted to approach it Mary did you want to join any of this conversation
yeah because just for the record before she does that just item 17 we just we finished the calendar Item 16 item 17 we just kind of went over but those are already approved proclamations I don't think anybody has anything concerned about that but I just didn't want there to be a number missing for the record
Okay we're on tonight under 18 Go ahead I'm sorry Mary No no worries Um as far as you know just getting community extensive community input We've begun the process um pretty much trying to
just get many many many many levels and rounds of input to see what types of protection what type of buffers what type of keep locks Groves rural keep it the same things that we want it to be
and also try to segue and make sure that you know it's everybody knows what's going on with you know applications people coming in things being built that kind of stuff Um what we've what we've done so far is
we've reached out to some of the people that have put in a petition um and you know trying to figure out what they actually want Um and pretty much we're just going to continue doing community input We did ask for it to be at the
state college just because it's it while it's cozy to do it right here it's very cozy So we want people to be comfortable and so we did get a lecture hall If it's too big or whatever we'll come right back to this because it it's worked well Um and it's much easier to schedule and
things Um Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council I obviously had asked for them We had gotten a grant of $50,000 back when um uh town council member uh El Ramy was mayor and and then
subsequent to that it was never even implemented It wasn't used It was just to see what types of things we could possibly you know envelope or put into the Southern Boulevard corridor That's really all it that's really all it is at
this point Are does anyone have any questions i mean we'll bring it back to you all as soon as we get some more collection of data as you said you know earlier or you know find out what other input we have but we're in a very preliminary stage like you had mentioned
I have I have a question Sure I saw some some of the earlier drafts I don't know that I saw the final of the invitation that was being sent to these events that you were doing like door hangers and emails and all that kind of stuff for residents For residents you wanted especially to so I what I noticed was
that you had two categories which I thought was great you had business owners and you want to get the input of the business owners in the area and I think that's important to have but then you also had just residents as a group of residents but I wanted to ask from a legal standpoint and I'm not about
dividing the town you know that I'm about unifying the town so please don't anybody misconrue what I'm construe what I'm saying but I think that in in a case like this there are actually two different classes of residents I think that there should be a portion of this where we get all the residents input on
the business corridor because I think that's important But I think that there maybe needs to be a workshop where we get the specific input from the residents who are directly affected Maybe all of those who live let's say south of collecting canal Um that's how
we're using it right now That's how we're planning because we've got to include So there's three groups basically Um no it's two I thought it was everybody Isn't it now what we have done is we did two letters One to the
residents people that just live there happily and one to the business owners and large property owners Okay But where where's the where's the one where everybody even somebody who lives on North Road is We're not there yet We're
not even there yet what we thought is we should absolutely we're doing tons of community input The reason is is that I wouldn't want to go to I don't let's say my street and I wouldn't you know want to I wouldn't want to start asking
people somewhere else before I talk to the people that it's mainly affected I think I mean I think it's more it's kinder It's they're being very frank they're being open and you know I we purposely did not put the two groups
kind of together because in essence they need their space They need to figure out everybody's sides of things and then you know we keep adding different facets to it and I mean if there's other ideas we're certainly open to it There's different ways to do community input
This has just been the most successful that I'm aware of When's the when's the first meeting april 8th Uh well this weekend April 8th It's next week It's next week Oh next week Next week It's a during the week Oh do we send out the
mailer no we wanted to wait until after this meeting Some questions were brought up to me about you know why we were doing this and so on and so forth So you know I wanted to make sure that we were okay with the approach that we're taking
before we do it Um we are going to do door hangers Um we actually order door hangers and we are also the other way we've done door hangers before is we write a letter and we stick it in the plastic and we go out to residents So
right now we're doing both actually Correct Because I I mean I Francine has agreed and I strongly feel obviously that the residents not that the others are not property owners and have property rights and things but in essence the residents need to be able to
see what it is that they want and you know they can all agree to disagree It's it's okay It's a safe kind of um communication at least that's what we found Lisa Paul's done Okay Yeah Yeah My lights off She can't see it's on my
um so the these printed materials and all this stuff uh Treasure Coast planning coming in on this Do we have a cost uh any any projected cost of what long-term this is going to run at this point they are not they are not charging
us they are glad to be here um and be included and we had pretty much begged them to come in Um I like Treasure Coast Planning Council It may or may not work for everything that we need here Um
but we're certainly willing to try it So there is not cost there There's not additional cost for anything I'm doing Any of the printed stuff is I thought we were doing it on the computer I think it's Yeah it's all in house Yeah And I think I'm sorry let me just mention
costwise though there might be some cost in someone putting it out meaning putting time to put it on a door hang I will use staff to go Sure I think that's what we talked about So no outside cost that we know This this initial one that's literally a week from today is
just the southern people from where to where where we included was southern boulevard to collecting canal and the whole east to west east to west the whole town the whole east to west of south of collecting canal correct okay
that' be minus the hospital right sorry the hospital's not within our juris we only included we only included within the town orders I Yes I hope that answers your question And do it's a 1:00 on a Tuesday Is it very Is it actually
realistic to expect that that's the business center one Yeah that's the business group Only businesses Yes that's how we did it to that's how we're doing it to begin with We're you know I thought it was everybody south of Southern people I think it's four four
o'clock for residents That was recommended and that was requested still four o'clocks early with a week's notice I it nobody seemed to have any issue with any of the other times They've requested it So they all know the dates
coming up Okay It's just kind of to get you know it's we're going to do more We're going to do more of them Some of that Yeah For for like they want to be part of the conversation So I think they're already in on the conversation of of this and have made but the rest of the town isn't Right
We're not up to that yet That's the only thing Francine made a comment that the public is welcome to come to this but there's no that this is something I wanted to bring up later But um getting things on the town website because I think we can
all agree now that the internet is Main Street USA right so people aren't going to drive up here to see what they taped on a door or you know look in a printed paper Even what I'm seeing right here on this calendar and what we had last
month's these things weren't on the town website calendar because I check it all the time because I do the newsletter So we need to I think tonight make a deadline of anything that's going to be publicly done We should have a date that
this has to be required by So outside of right I know I and I I'm getting used to it I got the idea that I'm kind of like going to be whatever is procedurally needs to be updated I get it What the one thing I just want to mention is that our initial the best way and all I can
do is recommend to you the best way to do the community input is to get the people that are directly affected immediately That's how you know you want to build and see what it is Um and then we'll do ex you know outside of the
corridor area because these are the people that own properties own residents you know it it directly affects them So they need to have the input and I am not sticking it to uh any name of anything I think I've mentioned it to several or
most of you is that right now I don't know what it's going to be called you know there were c there were discussions in the past that you know there was to be potentially a medical overlay or something I it it may or may not work at this point We've just got to see what
everybody wants first and then we're going to try to come up with some options that might work the best for the town Those are that's just the idea Um it does work best to include the people that are directly affected first Certainly any meeting we have is open to
the public so people can be in you know we'll have seats or whichever that way but it is a conversation to get input and it does work best when they can speak frankly but at least it has Thank you Mary because that is what I said It would be separate sessions and that any
meeting that we have in a public building is a public meeting Nobody would be refused But I think that the Treasure Coast is listening for what the stakeholders there think first as
opposed to you know um everyone They want to try to go ahead and focus to the neighborhoods like we did when we went out for 161st and we went to Gruber and we went to the different neighborhoods to see what they wanted Um a-ro same
thing we did in fact Richard um hosted those meetings and we had them in here much smaller group Um the other thing is is that also council member Al Reia is right Everything is on the internet So we will put this on the internet and we
will do social media But it's not about what you're going to do It's that we set deadlines that these things must be published so people are more aware And I I think that's part of the frustration when you talk to people is they're like "Well I didn't know that was going on or when when did that get posted or why
isn't that posted?" And I remember those signs that I talked about those movable signs is so big because I was saying let's get one of those movable signs that we can put like you know when they're doing the trail Rubber Lane that says "Hey your tax dollars at work Rubber Lane getting a Yeah Yeah Rubber
Lane is getting a trail next to it or whatever." So but those things could also be used for I believe we tried to um include it at least 10 days ahead of time but I think you brought up some comments and stuff so we wanted to wait to get your input And if anybody has any
other ideas I'm open to any of it Whatever way we can work it the best I mean there's no set This is the first meeting of May These are just multiple It's very preliminary Very preliminary So any other ideas you're feel free to
give me a call whichever Okay Francine if I could just stop you before you talk about fireworks So I'm I apologize everybody Things were a little out of order tonight and I inadvertently skipped over item 15 was um No I'm sorry Item excuse me I'm sorry
Item 14 Um I I myself read it and I'm okay with it Does anybody have any questions for Mr Galant about the drainage and emergency management i update item 14 I have no notes with any questions It's just we usually just receive it as a report and we're okay
with it But this do does anybody have any questions before I completely gloss over it no Any questions i just want to say one if I may Sure Go ahead I would like us to um well I was talking to
these guys about North Road and to I I have a problem with doing Carrie Bunny and and Folsam without finishing North B Road GU and North Road And we had a little bit of a
different council here before but I would like when you bring that up are culverts These are all culverts That's not Oh okay Right Sorry All right I didn't mean But there are roads on the road schedule to get paved and I would like to u maybe bring that back up to
reconsider the road doing the gaps on the schedule for this year Excellent Doing the gaps means the unfinished work Correct Yeah Excellent Yeah Yeah The only roads on this year's paving project is a road collecting canal and then the
gaps That's it And then which is the priority a road and collecting Well it all be done at the same time I mean it'll be Oh it's all all going to be done at the same time Yeah it'll be one bid that'll go out There's there's and there's actually and somewhere
there's a is our tenative uh CIP schedule uh for all those projects And um and then North Road Yeah And the way our capital done right way The way our CIP is set up is in FY25 we're doing a road collecting in
the gaps Then FY26 is to do the preparation for upper and lower north roads and then FY27 is to actually pave it Well I I I think the direction Phyllis was going and I I've said this multiple times in the past is you know I I understand everybody saw the pavement
going down that and they wanted their you know the Bunny Lanes of the world and the Paradise Trail and all that They wanted all this paved but the reality is is we stopped paving in certain sections and we didn't address the most egregious paved road that was already in our town and it still sits in disrepair at this
point Correct I mean it's an accident waiting to happen I mean Oh yeah So I mean I I I I don't know So start working on easements now I I I I think maybe we need to address the priority of Well I I understand
that's what the capital improvement plan says today for this year but it's like 2020 So it's like 2025 is getting ready and then we're going to pave it in 2026 North Road No that's what you just said
Yeah No FY25 is prep and paving a and collecting and then the gap roads FY26 which starts October 1st 2025 right is we have it in the CIP budget It has to obviously be passed by you guys in the budgets 400 I forget what the number is
like $437,000 something like that to do the preparations for a for upper and lower north road So in October you'll get to vote to make that the first priority which I think probably it would be the only priority We could change it and then FY27 because it's going to take
a solid year to get that road ready to be paved and then Oh yeah Yeah You can't just slap asphalt down on the top of there You've got to remove No no I You're talking to the guy who was preaching about standards before the first bit of pavement hit the ground So right I mean there's fire hydrants that
have to be moved There's there's a bunch of work that's got to be done Good Paul with that Okay Thank you Richard Oh public comments on the road drainage and emergency man Do I have any public comments sitting over there we've No we don't Okay Thank you so much All right Francine if you uh
want to continue on with the fireworks legislation Okay Uh we reached out to um on item 18 Representative Weinberger Um and um we are trying to set up a meeting with the mayor and she it's a follow-up
meeting They've already met Um we have also asked that they look we're trying to collect some data like the videos and so on of the different you know um experiences that everybody had during the fireworks and our negative fireworks
experiences with animals Please send us videos Any kind of documentation you have of that That would be a great thing to have With Meg she's a super animal lover She has like I think 50 dogs that she's rescued and horses and every kind of animal you can think of So anybody
who has any negative fireworks animal experiences would be a really good thing for me to bring into that meeting I have something to add Maybe can we check with the sheriff's department and see if they got what kind of calls they got i did ask that I did ask I said to our captain
I needed to get that from him purpose So I also um last year we also reached out to fire rescue to try to help us and I think that regardless of how we fare up in Tallahassee this year because the goal
would be to try to get something thrown into somebody else's bill and since there are so many agricultural and rural bills one of the things that they think is going to help us is because we have a rural designation that might help Um but
I'm not really sure about that And also I'm going to send this out to all of you but on January 7th 2025 um Mr tour Civia wrote um us a follow-up letter to an original opinion on the
fireworks basically telling us that we probably need to do a local bill for this which you know it's probably going to be an uphill battle to get somebody put to put something into you know an existing bill so that to that end we're going to start working now on a sign
program extra police patrols which I did ask them if they would do for us on the um fireworks allowed holidays and um I think we could do a little bit better job of messaging um and also I did reach
out to forestry but I have not heard back I do think some of the things that were mentioned at last week's meeting are great idea and they were great partner with us during the um storms So you know I mean any and all ideas are
always welcome Hey you done no I'm not Okay But um do you have a question if she's still going on that same Well not on fireworks I'm done Okay What's the status of uh the ordinance we we asked to have drawn up for first and second reading before 4th
of July um I brought up that ordinance that we did in 2020 to Mr Torcivia and he's going to take a look at it I also went back in history to look at anything else that we had ever done on fireworks and the only thing I could really find
was a resolution um you know supporting that there shouldn't be fireworks but we did not do um an ordinance We are going to do it now though Am I Am I Am I Are we missing something
i I'm just looking at because I have 20205 That's that's the previous one that we we kicked around Um so and I know that uh in conversation uh about this I think it it's very important that
we also note the extensiveness of our tree canopy Yes The concerns of other municipalities that have burned down um that there's no way fire rescue could get out here with enough people to get anything under control on a wet dry day
So and that's very true in January Not always so much in July but we don't have fire hydrants and our canals are low We It's all the above Check check check Um so yes I'm I'm glad Are we going to see this for the first reading in the May
meeting um yes Okay super One thing I do want to also mention is is that PBSO if you remember Eric Coleman said he would write us letters So of course I'm going to prevail upon him to give us a letter Um and also
Amanda to send up to um the state to support our position on this Um I just want to go back to code as we're putting all these different things on the agenda I think we need to
probably make a workshop all about code and we did that a couple of years ago Um I am deeply sorry that um my performance as a manager or in leading you know the code efforts for the last several years
have not been up to par But we are catching up on 20 years of no code enforcement We have done hundreds of code enforcement and a lot of cases that people continue to complain about are running fines right now and some of them
are in title search so that we may foreclose upon them Some of those properties are protected by religious um regulations A lot of the churches on Okachobee are covered under something called Ar Lupa In fact I spoke with um
Ben Saver in Mr Torcivia's office and also our planner and I am whether anybody knows it or not I have my AICP So um you know the um our Loopa could perhaps put a little snag in our ability
to get some of those things changed as quickly as we'd like to Furthermore with regard to the trucking the big trucking companies that people um think are getting away they're just moving around So we're just chasing them to every
property that they're going to Um the manure we did nos for manure today because people have gone crazy with manure everywhere We have transfer stations here in town Livestock waste was always something
that we've needed to fix The last time that it was looked at was a very long time ago My contract ends September 30th I pray to God that we can talk about some kind of change to those ordinances that we have on livestock ways because
that would be the thing I most want to do to help fix the town Not create transfer stations but stop the ridiculous stuff that goes unchecked right now Um code I always tell
everybody is answered by the code Okay and a lot of the stuff that we do in code enforcement is what I call after the fact building Okay because a lot of the stuff that we have to enforce is in building And what we have here is we
have a lot of people that think that they can do stuff without a permit We cannot see behind their great big buffers We want people to have buffers Everybody wants their privacy but we can't see what they're doing unless somebody lets us know Now I'll tell you
what I do I will be honest I look at the aerials I like to see what's going on I can tell And so can everybody I know everybody uses those Ariels to look at stuff So we are chasing down the same
stuff with nothing really strong enough to do much more than an NOV and a magistrate meeting and run fines repeat violations monetary damages so on and so forth I mean the whole time I've worked
here I've been working on 1032 Hide Park We're only now he only now got an attorney you know So I'm not gonna go to the long story about what we do We've had five or six different attorneys work
with us and two different outside firms work with us When council member Coleman asked me about what about hiring somebody outside the prices and effectiveness haven't seemed to make sense but I will do that if we can't get
someone to be hired We have looked at the SOPs at least five times since I got here We have a brand new brand spanking new SOP and all of the forms have been reviewed and we're
switching over to MGO So that has all been done Um in terms of what we do I actually go out to properties I don't know how many of you know that Um but I know a lot of the people that are you know subject to
our rules So all I can tell you is 20 years is hard to undo And with that I am going to say that vested rights are not there because I'm ever going to give them to anybody Vested rights are there
when they exist And what we have on Okchobee is going to be a real hard thing to get rid of but it might be something we can regulate because we have people who have used their property in the same way that they are using it now since
1973 That doesn't mean I think they should keep going It means the tools that we have to bring them into compliance is by getting them to agree to a site plan And when they agree to a site plan we can hold them accountable
Where we get a site plan they can change their access Where we get a site plan they can have greater buffers Where we get a site plan we can control the number of trucks I'm not going to go on more and more but for instance the
trucks are a problem Let's talk about trucks more trucks are in town because of the agricultural uses because some of the things that people are reporting to us are a exempt and have multiple trucks
and we can't regulate multiple trucks at a nursery You know Altman how many times have we talked about it what we can do is we could look at new ways you know that maybe we look at a traffic study that does it by type of vehicle or
weight or something so we can get an assessment There are different ways that we have to handle things But our code in summary is the answer to the code And if we don't have code to regulate what's
there we need to build code to regulate what's there And we need to negotiate with people to get them into a compliance we can live with We are losing tax money while they are destroying our roads And that's what I'm
going to leave you with I am very committed to this town I did not come to work here for any other reason except that I can make a lot of good changes and I have I am very proud of our staff I have hired every person here There's
one person that was here before me and that's Linda Wadell who's still here We've completely turned over the way public works goes We're still working hard on code building totally turned it over We're about to go ahead and finish
the software installation in public works and you will have accountability and who does what when and also we are very accountable with what we do We use a project and task management system called ASauna And if anybody wants to
come in and look at a sauna it's there and I'll sit down and I'll go over it with all of you And then finally I do not find email to be a productive venue for conversation And I am going to tell you all that publicly I'm not saying I
won't email but I will always try to help you when I send you an email I am not going to argue with you in an email in public in private or anywhere I'm not going to argue with Glenn I've had a
very long and very good and satisfying career I'm not wrapping it up arguing with a guy who I have great respect for This whole thing of who shot John he does not come back to life no matter what So you can tell me you didn't like
what I did when I had the gun but I shot what I was asked to kill and that's the best I can do for you and that's what I always try to do for you Thank you very much and I look forward to working with you till the end of my contract
Is that you letting us know that you won't negotiate a new contract or is that I have two months to decide I will see how it turns out that it looks like I will be successful for you or not because when someone becomes the issue
then they can no longer handle the issues I have done nothing to make myself an issue I have done everything I could to turn this place around With regard to financial activity we have never been in better financial shape We
have a capital project done We got money out of the state We got designated as a a rural community which gives us a whole lot more than anybody seems to realize We got three million That means we got four and a half million People actually
don't laugh at the town as much as they used to Okay People drive around the town It looks totally different Okay I don't want to argue with people who don't want me here I will go I do not need to stay The town gives itself a
black eye every time that everybody fights in here I don't want to be part of the fist fight So I leave you with I love this community I came here because I love it I came here because what I'm doing here I did once before I did it in
Wellington Yes I did and I live there But I have never once tried to make this place Wellington It's not It's 100% better and 100% different And I do run out and save the trees whenever I can And that was something I
wanted to get done before I left here Okay we've taught people about what the rules were Nobody followed a rule Now they follow rules People understand that there are repercussions Mr Yan my heart bleeds for Mr Yan Mr Yan has a neighbor
who owns property and lives in Port St Lucy and doesn't care what he's doing to Mr Yan And I don't want to talk about code enforcement because that breaks the rules But it breaks my heart with the amount of effort that my staff has put in that we still can't meet the mark I
agree with deadlines I can't make my staff work any harder to make deadlines I agree with having to come forward and tell you about how many people we need to get the job done You know how much we made in revenue and building
$300,000 Not because we have more applications Okay Our auditor said "How did that happen?" Well you know how it happens because we've trained our building permit techs and we didn't have trained people here before We send everybody to training Our code people go
to training Our public works people go to training Our clerk people go to training Everyone here goes to training I do mine online so the rest of the money can be available for everybody else I have three certifications and my
contract will pay for it but I do it online so they can go Okay So everyone let's think about how it is that we stop giving this town a black eye by the floor fight that happens in here almost every time we have a council meeting
There is no one bringing an item forward because we want it for us We want it for the town and we want you to discuss it and tell us what we should do We only want the best And so because I want the best If I am the issue I will leave I
don't need to go through any kind of public disgrace after I've done a very very positive thing and had a very successful career And I am happy to be accountable but I can only be accountable to realistic goals And I can
only do it if we have enough resources So I thank you I'm sure that this was a whole lot more than anybody expected to hear from me There are two more meetings until I need to make my decision and I am hopeful that we will find a way to
work very well together I have worked very well with each one of you whether you've been on or off the council except as council member Coleman said Phyllis has always been on the council since I've been here So if there is something I need to do better I offer you the same
thing I've offered every council person I've worked with and every member of my staff Come in my office and talk to me We do evaluations here but my contract does not include an evaluation of me And the reason why is because the town
fights And so doesn't matter how good of a job I do it's only as good as we all do So my contract includes the SWAT analysis and performance of the whole town How do we do this year did we all bring forward the ordinances and
resolutions that we were supposed to did we meet the project deadlines did we get the stuff done that we set out to do that's the important stuff And we have turned around the way that our residents feel about us And we don't get a whole
lot of customer complaints We have had a lot of them lately Okay But it's on engineering We were asked to switch engineering firms and that is the biggest set of complaints that we have ever had They are higher cost and a longer timeline So I mean I'm going to
just leave it here and say thank you for this opportunity Please come tell me what you um would like to see us and me personally work on Um I sent you all my contract If there's something in there that you find disagreeable please share
it with me I am if not the lowest I am among the lowest paid in Palm Beach County What you pay someone is what you think of them I don't care about money I care about the town I made way more than
I make here 20 years ago So bottom line I am happy to talk to you about my contract but only if I am not an issue because we can't do anything if I am Thank you so much Thank you
Francine Okay Mr Chivia Oh wait I need I'm sorry I needed a motion to extend but I didn't get What time is it does any 10:23 oh that's actually the time Okay Can Can we get a
PO signed off for a couple of uh batteries for the for the the clock for the Okay So we have a motion to extend uh do you want me to do my report on
item 19 which uh just under the town attorney report is that what you Well I mean generally the way that we have done it in the past is that we have a backup of of these things so we just are able to read it but I don't see a backup Do you feel the need to give a long report
a a short one would be better And right here under it you have status regarding sign code draft for review I believe you sent me an email this week saying we would have it by April 4th which is Thursday Yes So uh what I'd like is some direction because
um and I also sent you all a letter that indicated that in June of last year you passed a motion to refer the sign code that we had drafted that was based on the town's existing code to ULDC and that never happened Okay But in and in
February I was directed to draft a brand new sign code So my question is which sign code do you want do you want the one that was supposed to go to ulc or do you want the one we've been working on well so quite honestly at this point so much time has passed and it is the next
thing in line to go to the one that's written now So I would be in favor of saving the legal fees of having you draft what you promised for Thursday and just have it go to the uldc first then have it come to us and then after the
ULDC sends it to us we can send it to you just to check for legal sufficiency and that will save us some legal fees right there Mayor with your indulgence I shared with you um an actual timeline of what occurred I
reviewed the June 4th meeting at which I was not in attendance nor was Mr Toribia You asked everybody to please table it No one actually talked about what was going to ulc Council member Manilia jumped out
and said "Send it to DC." And I totally agree The sign code should go to ULDC but the sign code that we had is not a usable sign code for the town You said I wanted to talk to the
council about it and that's why you asked to table it I did not wait until February to ask the firm As I said in my email to you it was on May 16th that I said "Where is the new one?" And you and
I met with Mr to Civia multiple times about the code I believe they have a draft and I think we should take receipt of that draft because we will be better served by the clean sign code That does not mean that the uldc can't look at all
of the existing attempts of which there have been many since 2018 Do you have a draft we will on the fourth We've been working on a draft that trans direction for the last five or six weeks But again we we We had one back to the uldc I mean
they're ready for it now They they finished their last big project and they're ready for it But that's when's their meeting Does anybody remember the 14th the volunteer appreciation You you sent me an email promising this this revised draft by the 4th which is
Thursday So then that can be sent to the C on the 5th Y okay Um and you can send them is everybody okay with this send them all other drafts too so they can look at where we were at where we were What do you think i I totally don't
understand what's going on because I I did I did read through Francine's email response to what Mr Torcivia provided And it's clear from her response that she has a correspondence
with a council member here that in the second paragraph she's still advocating for a new sign code So I don't understand what the May 16th claim is of they were supposed to write a new code but she admits in January of 9th of 2025
that she didn't have direction for a new code She's still advocating for a new code What is the code status i did have direction for a new code What happened last year and I tried to mention it at last council meeting and again I have no
interest in Hoo Sha John but I was asked to enforce something through code that was not enforcable and so I was asked to also go out and see how many places were
in compliance with our existing code When I went out to see that without driving very far there were 52 non-compliance In order to do se non selective code enforcement if somebody
has a problem and you know other people do everybody needs to get the same code compliance Now I'm happy to take direction from the council however you wish to go but to use a code that
doesn't work doesn't make sense And there was direction to get a new sign code And I I'm not making it up because I don't need any additional work I provided all of the information and I had many conversations back and forth
with regard to what the new sign code would look like That was not in January In January I was following up to previous conversations that had been happening in the fall and then before that in the summer and before that June
4th meeting in April and March So all I know is we need a new sign code We're going to have a new draft We have old drafts ULDC could look at everything and decide what they like and then it is ultimately the council But isn't the
existing code problem basically you cannot regulate content it is but it is not because we also have agricultural signs and if you make it that limited of an issue then you only
handle that one issue So we can send you Yeah The sign code is many pages I'll give you another example Yeah Another example on MUN code Another example is how about on our commercial development
on Southern Boulevard those folks should have master sign codes and they should be in compliance with the master sign code Yeah I'm not uh I sat on PCB and we were told that the hotels one was in
like within our our current code What does a master code got to do with Southern Boulevard and aren't those people all in compliance weren't they all approved with their site plans with the every single one of those centers should come with a master sign code so
that you're not having to go ahead and have inconsistency and um challenge and I would defer to um council member Aldi Aldi and and Wendy's are good
examples they came in you know and applied for variances because needing 10 menu signs and this and that and all they needed to have a sign big enough to fit the block and their building I you know it was a whole thing Um you know I just I I I know the
original start was yes the the verbiage thing that you know was you know what it was a constitutional right to be able to say what you want to say on your sign etc But I mean agricultural signs fall under agricult if I have a bonafideed agricultural business
I'm not to pick anybody out but I'm all I'm all in plants I can put up whatever sign I want to put up correct because it's in it's in support of the agricultural business right so so the sign code wouldn't even cover that because if it's in support of the
agricultural business they can pretty much they can't be out in the easement etc but they can pretty much put a sign up on their property right agurism came come up with the idea that they want to have off-site signage The other thing is is that we don't necessarily allow mobile signage You know we also don't
allow people to have skins on their car parked on a burm or parked in a parking lot And we have a lot of different things that have changed relative to signs that just need to be considered So we have numer we are going to have a new
sign code that will incorporate some of those items That's why I suggest we take the updated version on the fourth send it out and we will provide all of the older versions and everybody could look at whatever they want and bring it
forward Well I'm assuming that the copy that's provided with the new one is going to have it's going to be similar to what we're h we see strikes stricken and underlined and things of that nature Correct We didn't just go here here's your new code No that's what I was directed to do is going for the brand new code That's the
difference I I get you're directed to make a brand new code that nobody's arguing that Nobody's arguing that Fix no underlines It's a brand new code But if you're changing verbiage but he's not So we just So we just made up a whole new code Right That was my So now now we're taking we're taking lay persons
that are volunteers on a committee or lay persons that are sitting up here just going "Okay so it's good that my You understand what I'm saying i mean I agree with you And you want them to comp compare the old one to the new one I understand you're given a
direction to make a new code I at this point in the game it really doesn't matter who said she said we said No we made a new code but how does it differ from the old code so they need to be provided with both is the point right but that's what I'm saying Now we're She's saying that they will So so I you
know I you know I'll be interested to see how it comes out I Well my concern was the legal fees because you already spent money for a code that was constitutionally compliant It took your old code and revised it Well that was ready to go But it wasn't
constitutionally Absolutely It was the June 4th code that we provided after months of working with staff was constitutionally compliant Now okay that wasn't the only direction though right because we're saying we had issues all throughout the code It wasn't just about
the constitutional compliance in the First Amendment That's not what the whole code was about There's I mean we we all sit up here and say there are holes throughout the uldc every before Lisa and I sat up here this term I had multiple convers there's holes
throughout the the code we know this everybody knows this right we all know it so the the idea that that it was just about constitutional compliance I don't even know where that comes from to be honest with you because that's not that's like saying what we were saying
before about taking the code from page one to page 5,025 or however many of the pages there are and going through it and fixing all this stuff because we keep peacemailing stuff So okay So we took the existing code and we took out the constitutional compliance We could have
done that one in one meeting You just strike the language that says you know that that said uh you can only have statements of this and this right so you you am I making sense here i sometimes like so that that's that you got to understand where that's where the
frustration comes from I just got here So I mean I I we we gone the sign code has been brought up 10 times tonight Maybe I may be off by my number but the reality is is we still want these volunteers to look at this sign code And
I mean Jeff's not here to Well Jeff's in the back He could tell you I I sat there I sat in that seat and I told him I said "I want this now I want this now I want this now." And I'm like "Give me the sign." We don't have the sign good yet like well you want us to look at we want we want stuff to do right but you got
these folks that are going to sit here and let me tell you that those folks that are on that committee are going to pick apart what you wrote even though they're not lawyers Absolutely Right They're going to pick it apart and say that we don't like this we like this we like that And that's what's going to happen I just think we need to have a good base to start at This is where we
were and this is where we're going to be But you did have a sign code from June 4th's meeting saying we had a sign code since we incorporated So I mean why has it been held up yeah So I I I think I beat the horse So I apologize but I think that they were working on another
big project and now they're ready for the sign code Sign code's going to go to them That's make a motion to We We already did send the sign code to the earlier Yeah Yeah That was the next thing that was going to them sign code and then uh Yeah that's on their
schedule It's on their schedule That there was a recommendation made but not a formal motion Do we need to make a motion to send something to committee it's already on their schedule It's on their schedule That's the next item They're waiting for it Dress I was just letting you know New go Yep One two
three go Make it right Absolutely Do you have something to say i am definitely going to say something about the sign code So I've got emails from 2018 regarding the side code because every single year by the way we need to change
have an election every year but every single year I end up in code enforcement Every single year I run for election So so it's very interesting Mr
Civia that I it was used against me every time Okay With your legal sitting there but it was never used even though complaints were made about other council members Hey thanks for paving my road Vote for
me That nothing ever happened to them We have nothing So I find that very interesting We have nothing to do with that Your attorney was sitting with those council members for three hours each every freaking week So I find that
I have a problem with that And I think that's why we never got a sign code And if you did write one you had a sign code Your manager decided to ignore your direction and not send it to the ULDC How much clearer it could be I mean we
didn't hold it up They keep using it against us Okay All right We're not We're not doing anymore Okay Uh is that Did you have some other report that you wanted to give no it sounds like we're sending both sign codes to the uldc
That's That's the plan Okay Thank you Public works director do you have anything that you need to add tonight uh no No you're good I have a question though You have a question for the public i do I do Okay Um I found I it will be I found a uh a previous I
believe it was a resolution for purchasing guardrail I want to say it was 2024 We have a con we have a enter into a contract with a company to purchase guard Do we have plans on fixing
guardrails in any at some point it's not in this current year's budget We have to do it every year particularly at D road and collecting and B north seems to have a target on it Um and my one of my concerns is and I don't live in this particular location but as we
fix North Road what we saw with collecting canal when the material was put down and everything those guard rails are now so low that the you're going to hit your tires and you're going to go this way you're going to flip So they're really not at a at a a safety
height that's going to be effective Um and I think as as you go through the the paving process that needs to be simultaneous for for our own obvious liability concerns Well make them effective They're expensive Why have
them if they're not working well and like part of the F-RO collecting canal culvert replacement is to fix those guardrails there And so as we do work around the town it's just I mean trust me I have a list that's probably makes this book look small of things that need to be done in this town And the
guardrail is you're 100% correct I mean the guard rail and collecting canal is too short The guardrail like a lot of these guard rails are either too low too short um not you know compliant with been smashed and it's been smashed for
three years right or so And we had we prior to your coming here we had a situation don't know how one can make this happen this quickly but we had somebody smash into it on one night and 48 hours later a girl almost went all the way through it cuz she fell asleep Remember that the girl at the fell
asleep on B- road and we had the the guy smash it and no one ever caught him and then she went almost all the way through it like took her car and was hanging off the bank because it didn't get repaired quickly Not that that would normally but there was no cones There was no indication that it had been damaged So
and guardrail is 100% if anybody saw the accident that was front of public works the other day Someone drove right through the gu right past the guardrail between the guardrail and the telephone pole and drove right into the canal I guess it's better they didn't hit the telephone pole guard Yeah she and she
hit that ridiculous that whatever boonies has out in front of it That's not That guardrail is in there to protect cars That guard rail to keep people from driving I don't know what that guardrail is for but um it's their guardrails not the towns But yeah she they she managed to go between the
guardrail and the telephone pole with her car and she was like when she splashed down she splashed water out of the canal onto the road That's how hard she hit the on the south side of the There's a I have I say I have the video want to see it Yeah Okay After the
meeting videos but that's that's impressive Okay All right We're done with with public works It's on the list Anything to add tonight uh we I just have a couple comments Um we have the staff potluck on the 3rd at noon We also have the red gap committee on Thursday
April 3rd at 5:00 p.m And also just keep in mind we were talking about having the family funday celebration sometime in later October Uh just keep in mind that we have our Veterans Day parade or possibly we'll have our Veterans Day parade Um no I think that's November
11th this year or sometime in that time frame Just to be thinking about that I have a question ma'am Did we change or um did we change our staff you know
cooking meeting from the 4th to the third it's always been the third No I think it's always been the third It's always the third Yes ma'am Okay Well thank you because I had it down for the fourth So no worries I thought it was a Friday for some reason And that's all
from the office of the town clerk Good thing we took all the meat out Is that it that's all from the town clerk's office All right let's try to guys We could get this in by 11 o'clock if we could all be really quick Phyllis what would you like
to say in your your comments i would like to say that regarding code enforcement it it it it has we have tried everything And um when did we have the
Beach Boys Lisa remember the Beach Boys was did we had the Beach Boys in 2020 cap services they were at the beach when they said they were Yeah Yeah I mean so we've all been here and we all thought they were doing their job but
they didn't realize they had a low deck on their car and instead of being in our in our town they were at the beach So we decided after hiring all these third party agencies to bring it in house
because we didn't have control over these employees So I think Francine she's got a couple of guys that have been working on it and trying to keep somebody and trying to find somebody full-time So it is an ongoing
process with code enforcement It's a problem Um I would like to see our town and we have a lot of nurseries in our town but I I would really like to start working with the nurseries and I've said this
many times to stop spraying pesticides and herbicides We have people raising their kids and there's got to be an alternative So I'd like to at least bring them in and start talking to them about it Um and hopefully we could stop spraying
our canals because they're starting to look good And what happens you spray them they they grow the sediment you spray it then it's it ends up being silt which is not a really healthy canal Healthy canal is getting the debris and
the vegetation out and having a clean bottom So you know I'd like to work more on that I think the town has done a 180 since um we've changed at least public works
Um I could see it townwide I don't get as many complaints as I used to Um except for probably engineering the cost and the length of time it is taking to get an FDA and a site plan through
them So I think we need to work on that Um I would like us to suggest that because we all work and we we all work Finally we have a council that everybody works pretty much every
day Well we need one retiree So we'll um but I would like us this particular council to really work together and to be really honest if if you don't want to talk to
Francine or sit with Francine sit with Jeff or somebody But I'm just saying for us to go through the agenda and then all four of us go through the projects but then you don't want to take the you don't get your answers from staff but
you want your answers here I'm not I'm just saying I feel that this we've been trying to move forward because last year the year before everything was picked apart The meetings took forever and I think this
council can get a lot more done but we all have to work together and we have to work with what we have So if that's only a suggestion and um with that said I'm I'm going to say
good night Okay Lisa you're up Uh yeah thanks for calling me out twice tonight now for not meeting with staff I really appreciate that Um well I can't talk to you on the phone So uh there is a Senate bill that's
moving forward Senate Bill 1118 House Bill 1209 uh where we have I think it's a Hey we didn't fix it all with live local Let's throw this one in It's pretty scary It's very very concerning I would I would
like to get consensus to have Mr book and our other representatives up there to uh help uh Lockachi Groves take a stand against this It is to put development without local oversight into
agricultural zone properties and um I think uh we should also uh draft a letter from the mayor um also stating our position on that Can I get some input on that concur Yeah Ra um emails
an update every week so we can like we can um you know email her back and say "Hey we want you to take an active stand and draft a letter." Okay Okay Uh on on that same note um I've had several uh agricultural properties approach me with
concerns of the property appraiser um taking away their classifications when they follow best management practices the county will say "Well that's not intense enough." Um or that your pig or your sheep are not grazing animals Um I
know we've had issues with some of the equestrians where the the uh property appraiser employees have stated that horses aren't grazing animals Um one might want to question the horse Uh so I'd like again for uh council to
uh support drafting a letter stating our position as a town and our our agricultural um approach and intensity and also that we have a rural classification I love it Um saying we support ad classifications
letter to the commission county commissioners or Keith Alexander or who all of them perhaps um I don't know Francine might be able to say what are the best um people to tag with that um but I think for sure the property
appraiser herself um and possibly a copy to Keith as he's the a dude right I've add him I I've met him I've spoken with him um but I I think it's important that we stand firmly as a town on this matter so that our residents that are feeling
like the good good Yes I like your word They take I do know they take them away periodically and you have to like reprove No you have to fight It is not easy Yeah No I did it I mean I went through it because I had it and then they took like all of a sudden I noticed it wasn't there and I'm like and I went
in and talked to Keith and he's like "Well you just have to that's not what these people are experiencing They're losing it for a whole year paying $18,000 for taxes this year And that's not what happened to me Well it's I would say they lack
consistency for sure Um so do I have um support for drafting a letter to the property yep Awesome Awesome Um so last couple things for me Um we talked earlier about setting a deadline for
things to be put on the website calendar for people to see Um because I know looking even now what's on April these these aren't even on the current calendar on the town website Um can we set like five working days is the minimum that something has to be on the
town website in order to have the meeting be publicly notified properly Our code our code currently has something different Um we can certainly do that unofficially unless you want our code
doesn't require us to do more than just the state Right Exactly Right I would like to I think was a 7-day requirement Why do I remember that from No there's certain things that have a 10day posting There's a series of different postings
that the agenda has to be posted Our rules have a 7-day rule but for some agenda items we have to have a 10day posting For the code enforcement stuff has to be a 10day posting So no less
than five days is not unreasonable Five business days which would basically be a week right because you have the two medium days right in between Okay All right So consensus on five days by working days Can you do this what is
What is What are we What are you asking for this stuff has to be posted on the website on the town website five days before it occurs or it can't occur basically or that it has to be posted five days to be considered publicly noted on the town website in addition to
wherever else it's posted I know some things have to be advertised I mean there's different things but Lisa's requesting that basically she's requesting that the website be kept up to date is what she's requesting Well 100% on that but I don't know if I think
maybe can we have a Oh can we have a pilot program on that so in other words you know let's make the recommendation Hopefully they can keep it going and then we could if it keeps going I don't want to not have a meeting because the
gift didn't get noticed in our web on our website Well then how's the public know that that meeting's happening because don't we notice it elsewhere as well we do Depends on the type of meeting Some meetings aren't noticed at all The agendas are posted If you're
talking specifically about the committee meetings sorry go ahead Sammy If you're talking specifically about the committee meetings or the town council meetings uh those are usually posted a week if not more uh time in advance without the agenda Sometimes we'll just add the meeting date there even if it's you know
three or four months in advance I continue to get complaints that they're not post there seems to be some Can you clarify because there's two calendars There's the MUN code agenda calendar which often doesn't match the actual
town homepage calendar Right So we'll work internally to make sure we get those updated for you guys I think that's what she's saying Absolutely Because actually I tried to find the agenda because it was in my car and I tried to find it online on the website
couldn't find it and then I went into my email and I couldn't find it there for some reason I don't know Understood We'll go through and make sure all of those are consistently updated Yes So um and maybe bring it back as a resolution for us to to codify that as as a
requirement in the future So and then lastly the agenda was late And we said last time agendas can't be late and that there would be consequences It's supposed to be out Wednesday at 5:00 p.m 5 It is And we did
have limited staff last week and it went out at 7:42 Last week was spring break We had very few staff This week we still have very few staff So yes it was at 7:42
by midnight at least So if they are backlogged no because we require a 7-day notice of that agenda being posted Oh that's So I don't think it's about bending the rules It's about basically saying the this agenda was late We
agreed last time that they wouldn't be late Can we give a verbal warning that next time there will actually be a perhaps a written warning right and then the next time there's going to be an actual you know some sort of punishment
for that being late What does that look like i think that's something we should be discussing I'm not I I do not I do not believe the charter does allow that Now if you wish to do that to me that and say if the agenda went out at 7:42 and you want to give me a demerit every
time go for it But I'm going to tell you that we have circumstances where people are working their tails off trying to get the thing done That was the case of last Wednesday We did not have Sammy We
had Enya doing the whole agenda Valerie was not in the office and we didn't have the full team trying to get it together You're 100% right It was late It went out Wednesday at 7:42 It should have gone out earlier I think we left the
office at 6:30 But you know I guess I'll take the demerit every time it goes out late but I don't know that I can make it not be after 5 But that this is not about hashing out that this agenda is late This is a this is a classic problem
It continues all the time It's about it's not giving you a demerit every time It's deciding at what level of acceptance does count council say that's okay I understand RhettGak is meeting Thursday night correct i spoke with my
appointee which my seat says it's vacant on the agenda Um and they said they're being told that there's going to be stuff added at the agenda Thursday night by a committee member not by the staff And I don't know that we have the documents to hand it out to them And the
they can decide not to accept it Okay I don't think you're you're not really understanding the point The point is is that that getting things to to fall into some semblance of order and timeliness
requires sticking to deadlines I do dr I ring a bell If you're not in my ring in 45 seconds you're eliminated right i mean if you show up you know it's just not going to work Can I on your thing yeah Yeah Absolutely
Is it possible well I realize the agenda is supposed to be ready Wednesday Is it possible for uh for staff being that we're expecting it and the public is expecting it on
Wednesday is it possible for you to tell staff we need it by Tuesday and he came in it by Tuesday i have And gonna be in it I have Okay So I mean if they
I would I would say if you don't have the backup I I think I agree with you If you don't have the backup of business Tuesday then pull the agenda even if we've directed it that it's on there because if you can't I understand there are deadlines I know that Valerie has worked very hard She created that Asana
flow program where things have to hit certain deadlines I understand the reason we didn't get our printed agenda was because there was still changes being made after it was posted and I believe item 12 doesn't even have page numbers which tells me it was added after the fact
So again whether it's pull an item because it it didn't come out in a timely way but I think knowing the truth behind what's going on is still critical Well sometimes they don't get back up and that's what they're waiting for So I
would suggest let's tell staff if you don't have your backup then pull it Come to the meeting and explain to us why you don't have your backup who did not supply the backup where the disconnect was but one sec I think we need a motion
to extend right second Oh yeah Ding All in favor sorry I didn't get us out by 11 My bad So I think maybe at the next meeting we can you know discuss that Yeah Make that a district for what does that look like
and and I think that kind of wraps up for me So thank you everybody those two items Yeah Paul cool Um first off I noticed something and this just might be my picky um old
school Lockxahhatche guy uh lock at your groves guy But um I know social media I got a nice little I forget it was Twitter Instagram whatever little popup and it was something about the uh last frontier us being the last frontier It was
literally a picture of the western end of our town It was looking off past 162nd down to Okachobee it The school was on the left side and then the pepper fill was on the right So
I don't know Wasn't looking into the town It was looking out of the town It's supposed to be the town So it's just me being picky I don't know A little picky There was a picture said last the last No it was looking it was
looking out past 167 It was on like Instagram It was the town locked at your post Yeah Yeah It's just Yeah It was like a drone pick over Okachobee Boulevard looking out So
anyway just Yeah I get to check it out What's going on i get picky about 33470 saying another community all the time instead of you know Anyway um so um along the line of
with Lisa's you know letter to about the bill and support of the bill there's actually a um a bill and I can't remember the number off top of my head that's coming out as well um about um that's going to change kind of
the landscape of building departments allowing private providers to which are independent engineering firms to do every single bit of their of the building department's job in house They
don't have to submit for a permit with the building department They don't have to get inspections with the building department currently Now they can submit for the permit and they can do everything inside but the CO is granted by the building department This is taking everything out So I I would urge
that we um strenuously object Sternously Yes Thank you very much for clarifying Um if I object once you actually know the bill number Yes
So next well I I will I will email the bill number to Francine tomorrow and she can share all that Fully support Yeah Amen Um let's see Uh and the last thing uh last two
things uh Okachobee Boulevard cleanup We both took things away Sorry That's great No that's awesome My uh LGLA is doing a cleanup on uh on Saturday Um if your high school age
student needs or you want to accompany your middle a middle school age student uh needs community service hours the LGA will be happy to grant those um for your assistance in cleaning up Okachobee We have we do it a couple times a year We try to do it a couple times a year We
actually the LGA um adopted the road through the county So it's our little pet project We will have a team of adults out there PBSO has gracious graciously volunteered to help keep the road speed down and keep things
safer for everybody involved Um so come out you don't need any tools just need sunscreen Cool You know and we try to be done Registration starts at 7:30 and we hope to start at 8 probably 8 and we will wrap up around 11 11:30 so we're
done before the real heat of the day Um and other than that I I echo uh what Phyllis was saying about working together I think we have an opportunity here um that we haven't seen in a long time Um if ever we're not too polarized
I think we uh the the key factor is that we all all of us sitting up here want the town to move forward in a positive direction Um and we want what's best for the town and the people in the town So I I I fully
um I fully believe in the part of the oath that says I'm here to defend the charter I'm here to uphold the charter Um and I'm here for the people of the town of Lockache Groves I am not here for Paul Coleman Um and I tend to stick
by that So if I say something to one of you at some point that offends you I apologize please let me know or to staff u because sometimes as all of you have known me for quite some time that sometimes I say some things but uh the
the intention is not malicious I guess is where I you know it's not malicious it's not bengeful it's not anything like that it's just strictly to get to the to the crux of the problem and to solve the problem and keep moving forward so I appreciate everything that everybody
does and appreciate all the welcome that everybody's given me So thank you very much Good night Mayor Um so uh several of my things got taken off my plate by other council members so that's awesome Yeah no problem Thank you Lisa Thank you Paul
Um but uh I did get an email this week about the Lux Hatches Carnival um which we have had a booth at every year So I don't know what we need to do Sammy if you can reach out to have our little booth there again if we want to wear our seedlings again Um they were
also looking for donations So I don't know Did we Did we make a motion did we give them a donation huh we did I think we increased it to a thousand We weren't you know Mayor Brownie had a huge problem with doing
that because it's a Palm Beach County school and we all already donate to it So um so well let's put it on that agenda coming up the the mid agenda because it's coming up pretty quick to decide whether it'll be a 500 or a
thousand I like Phyllis think 500 is sufficient I'm not sure why it got raised to a,000 but I think 500 is sufficient And have our little booth there where we give out our seedlings or whatever and we all take turns being there I I personally think that is but we can have we can put that on that agenda and have a little discussion
about it and fill out whatever paperwork we have to fill out to have our little booth I'm sure they'll have something Um and the other thing that uh let's get out The other thing that I uh want to uh
just reiterate is that like a schedule of the major contracts and let's start going over them because that's something that needs to be done and they need to be reviewed and we need to decide whether we're going out for RFPs whether we want to make changes whether we don't want to make changes um or whatever for
all of those major contracts So that would be legal trash um engineering engineering there was another one Oh and PBSO you can put that one last because that'll be coming up for renewal about the time we get to it So okay PBSO is a
three-year contract just didn't Yeah I'm aware but we could also take a look at it Yeah we can we can take a look at it Okay So um and with that said I do recogn I mean I want
to parrot on something Paul said I do honestly believe that um the council that we have at this time is truly a council that is invested in the town Um and and I think that's really awesome
Um and I fully recognize that we're not always all going to think the same way or get to the same conclusions the same way Um the person had asked that we try to um recognize people's strength accept
their weaknesses Um certainly hold them accountable but um I think practicing a little bit of kindness might be uh something that we could all uh benefit from to each other and to the public and
to everybody that we encounter and work with So I would I would like to keep this kind It's it's uh I think it's more productive You know that thing you can get more with honey than you can Yeah So anyhow thank you very much everybody I
have a motion to No Say something about March please Marge Marge She's not here Okay All right guys I can have a motion Click recovery Marge second
Oh All in favor i I Right Hangover from your hangover I mean I know