Good evening. The time is now 6:00. I call this meeting, the planning and zoning/lpa board meeting to order at 6 pm. At this time, we'll stand for the pledge of allegiance. To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. At this time, we'll have the swearing in of all new committee members, which will be the oath of
office. in front of you, you should have your certificate with the oath of office. Um, upon you receiving your oath. If you could just sign that and hand those back to me, that would be great. Oh, you can keep them till we got to do
the open. Yep. Sorry. It's just taking a second to load. At this time, if you could repeat after me. I and your name do solemnly swear or affirm do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support
protect and defend that I will support protect and defend the Constitution and government constitution and government of the United States and the state of Florida of the United States and the state of Florida and the charter of the town of Lockache Grove and the charter
of the town of Lockahhatche Groves that I am duly qualif qualified and duly qualified to hold office under the constitution of the state of Florida to hold office under the constitution of state of Florida and the charter of the town of Lock Hatche Groves and the
charter of the town of Lockahhatche grows and that I will well and faithfully perform and I will well and faithfully perform the duties of board member upon which I'm about to enter the duties of board member upon which I am now about to enter. Congratulations. You
are now board members for the planning and zoning board. Thank you. Date it or date it for us. Thank you. You're welcome. The next item on the agenda is the appointment of the LPA/planning and zoning board chairperson. At this time,
do we have any nomination slashmotion for a chairperson? I make a motion for Jackie Clifton to be chair. A motion has been made. Do we have a second? Second. That motion was made and properly seconded by committee member
Todd McClendon and Miss Cassie Sushi. Um, and I'll call the role. Miss Clifton, yay. Your name. I'm a little caught off guard. Um, yay Mr. Santana Santiago. Yes, Miss Suchi.
That motion passes, Mr. McClendon. I'm sorry I missed you because you're online. Yes. Thank you. That motion passes unanimously, 5 to zero. The next item on the agenda is the appointment of the LPA/planning and
zoning board vice chairperson. Do we have a motion for a vice chair person? I make a motion for Paulo to be co vice chair. We have a motion. Do we have a second? May I second myself? You may. We have a
motion and a second. I'm going to call the role. Miss Clifton. Yay. Mr. McClendon. Yes. Mr. Santana. Yes. Mr. Santiago? Yes. Miss Suchi? Yes. That motion passes unanimously. Congratulations to you both. Is there a
way we can see Mr. McClendon or No. Oh, I think he turned his camera. Oh, okay. There he goes. Oh, there you are. If If you didn't want to stay on camera, then that's fine. I just didn't know if it was. If the light behind me is pretty bright, it looked like it was too bright for the camera. I'll defer to you. Thank you. And Madam
Chair, it's up to you. Would you like to start the meeting today or would you like me to continue? Um, I wouldn't mind if you did. Thank you. Okay. Sound ready. The next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes. And that would encompass all the minutes seen here on the agenda.
Even though some of you were not members of the planning and zoning board, it's just a formality and you're more than um able to make a motion to approve. I'll make a motion to approve. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Madam Chair, technically you can't make
a motion. I withdraw my motion to approve. make a com I just had a comment. I just have a problem with approving minutes where I wasn't on the board. I mean, if I don't know what the legality is of approving
minutes to see for the accuracy of those minutes, it's just a formality and we actually got an opinion from our attorney that it's only a formality. Mr. uh Saber opined on that. So, madam chair, if I may, um, so it is a
ministerial act to either approve if you don't feel comfortable. Your vote, I suppose, would be no. Um, but you would have to vote on it regardless. Um, again, it's the minutes are what they are for the most part. Um, they're
already public record. Um, and already would be dispersed to anyone that requested them. Um, but again, we just wanted to make sure that we have that formality and that they're ministerially accepted by the board if we can.
Okay, we do have a motion um on the floor and we had a second. So, I'm going to call the role at this time if that's okay. Uh, Miss Clifton, yay. Mr. Sant Santana. Mr. Santiago? Yeah. Miss Suchi?
No. That motion passes. Yes. I'm sorry. Okay, that motion passes 4 to one. I've got a quick question before we proceed any further for the attorney. There's two people there that the council has not voted to appoint to the
committee. How does that how does that work if they haven't been officially appointed yet by the council? So, it was my understanding, again, I'm I'm in the fortunate or maybe unfortunate position of covering for
someone, but it it's been a break in time since I've been working with the town, but it was my understanding that all board members had been appointed. So, is that not the case? Uh that is the case because at the May 6 uh meeting I believe there was a motion made to
appoint Miss Cassie Sushi to the planning and zoning board and I haven't been given direction otherwise but she is a appointed member of the planning and zoning board but if you're not comfortable voting tonight I'm happy to wait and get an opinion from uh staff.
Well I'm I'm confused because you said there was a motion made. Was there a vote and it passed? I believe so, but if you want, I can wait to confirm. Madam Chair, if I may, um, there's been an allegation that one, Mr. McClendon, did you say one or two
board members were not properly appointed? I thought it was two. I I thought Paulo and Cassie, it hadn't gone to council and be voted on, but I could be wrong. Okay. So, I I think we have a staff member here to address it. So, let's Thank you.
Um my recollection is that uh there was a motion to approve Miss Suchi on the May 6th agenda that was passed. Um there was not a formal resolution, but a motion is a deacto resolution. So she's
been appointed. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. And I I believe Mr. Santana had been appointed previously to Does that resolve that Todd? Yeah, sure. I mean, I'll take him at his word for
it. I'm kind of confused because I know some council members said that they did not vote on it. So, I was kind of It's kind of a gray area, but I'll defer to the attorney. If she says it's legal and proper, then so be it. So, Madam Chair, I don't have enough
information right now other than there there was a motion at that meeting. There was an appointment um made. There was a um ratifying resolution that was
to be placed on the May 13th agenda, but the ratifying resolution was not considered at the May 13th agenda. Nonetheless, the motion that was passed on May
6th was a a motion that voted Miss Succi in. Um, and as I said before, a motion is a de facto resolution. I understand that. Um and
so Miss Succi not only is appointed because she's appointed she has to vote on matters. Understood. Unless you unless there's a recusal issue that you'll address that but absent that um board members are
obligated to vote on matters that come before them. Right. which if we're confused on whether or not we have the board member, then maybe we have an issue with a quorum and then maybe we need to suspend the meeting until we're sure. We're not confused.
We're not No one's confused here, but we've got an applicant that has spent a lot of time and effort getting ready for today. We've got board members who've come down here to be ready for a meeting. My recommendation is let's do a two-minut break. Let me look into both
of the board members and then maybe reconvene and that way I can give you an answer with some level of comfort 100%. I have um I think that's a great idea. Okay. Keep in mind I'm just trying to protect the town. I don't want the town to get in some kind of legal position
where a month from now how we vote tonight comes up that we didn't have a quorum the whole nine yards. So just trying to Todd we're here to follow the rules. So I agree with you. So let's let's get down to the bottom of it. I mean if we can't then we then we have to address that but if we can get the
answer um and everybody is comfortable and it's valid then we move forward. I agree. Thank you very well. So if I may be excused for just a minute to look into this I'm happy to come back by all means. Thank you. Thank you.
And Madam Chair, would you like to recess the meeting for the next 10 minutes? recess the meeting until u madam attorney returns with um information for one more time. Call to order. Okay. Um, first of all, thank you for your patience, Madam Chair, and thank you to
the board. So, I did some research as much as I could in the amount of time that we had without going back and listening to videos of prior meetings, but it is my understanding that on April 1st of 2025, um, town council approved resolution
number 202519, which appointed uh the following people to the planning and zoning board. Paulo Santiago, Kevin Brennan, Todd McClendon, Jacqueline Clifton, Antonio Evangelista Santiago. It is my
understanding that Kevin Brennan um chose to withdraw his name from consideration and or chose not to accept the the appointment. So therefore um Miss Succi's name was put forward um at
its regular meeting on May 6 of 2025. Uh the town council voted unanimously to appoint Misssuchi to the planning and zoning board and that was um memorialized in a document. That
document has not come back for approval yet, but they've already made their vote clear that they intended to appoint her to this board. The document is a basically a paper trail. Um do we know what the hold up is on the document? Um, I think it had something to do with the
It's my understanding that there was a meeting that kind of went longer than expected and it the agenda picked up. I think it had to do with there was a scheduling issue. Yeah, there was a continuence but and the item that was prepared after the fact after the May 6
meeting was not a minute was not included on the May 6 with the May 6 agenda meeting that was that was continued until May 13th. So, we didn't have a chance to put it on the agenda, but it will come back at our next u meeting agenda. Okay. So, thank you, Sammy. So, madam attorney, is your
position that then she is um has all voting powers and she's on the board officially? Yes, that that was the will of the council and they made that clear by way of their vote. The the document, like I said, is a paper trail to memorialize what they've already voted
for. So, does anyone have any questions or concerns? Odd. Does that resolve any concern? Sure. If she's good with it, I'm good with it. She's the expert in that matter. Thank you. Thank you for raising it.
Um, thank you. At this time, Madam Chair, the next item on the agenda, the next item on the agenda is n is item number 19, which is a paddock RV resort development applications. And just so we're all aware, items 20
through 24, items 20 is item 19 A, items 21 is 19B, item 22 is 19 C, item 23 is 19 D,
and item 24 is 19E. our system doesn't allow us the capability to add that um number and alphabet um ordering. So we had to delineate them as individual items. But those um five items that are on the agenda are the
same item but they'll be taken as uh five separate uh motions. So we just wanted to make that clear. And any public comment that we receive for items 20 through uh 24 will be specifically item 19 and they'll be limited to three
minutes for the entire item. At this time, we'll have item 19A, which is the consideration of recommendation of approval of ordinance number 2025-03, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Lock Hatche Groves, Florida, amending the text of
the adopted comprehensive plan, future land use element to establish a new land use category, rural recreation, including the land use category to the future land use table and establishing land use standards for rural recreation, land use category, providing for
transmitt conflict severability and an effective date. So, um, Madam Chair, were you going to ask the question? I didn't want quite well. I was just asking if, um, if we were going to have a presentation or or public comment first.
So, I I think yeah, I think staff is going to speak to you a little bit and then um it's up to the board whether you want to have public comment before or after the applicant does their presentation. Exactly. Thank you, Madam Attorney. Uh Madame Chair and members of the board,
Caitlyn Forbes with the planning department for the record. Um I do thank the clerk's office for reading in uh to the record the first title. um for efficiency purposes, if it's the will of the board, uh the applicant is prepared to make a presentation on all five items
um together concurrently. And then of course at the end uh you would take five separate votes, separate motions, and the titles would be read into the record by the clerk's office or uh the town attorney um for voting purposes. So, if if that's acceptable um with the board,
we'll go ahead and move forward with that um process and I'll go ahead and give you an introduction as to the five different items and then the applicant, as I mentioned, is prepared to make a presentation and share some additional information with you. Is that okay? I'm fine with it. Does anyone have an
objection to um a presentation nominal matters? No objection. Todd, if you have an objection, just pop in. Okay. Yep. I'm good. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. So, uh, as I mentioned, I'll give you a brief introduction, um, to the first five
items being items 20, uh, through 24, which are sub items to item 19 of the application. Uh, these are all interrelated development applications for a subject site that's generally located north of Southern Boulevard and east of Sea Road. The subject site that
you'll be considering today is approximately 47 acres of vacant land. And the five items that you'll be considering in applications include a text amendment to the comprehensive plan to establish a new land use category, a corresponding comprehensive plan map
amendment to the future land use uh map to amend the 47 acres to the newly established land use category. a text amendment to the ULDC, the Unified Land Development Code, to establish a new zoning district that would implement the
newly uh created uh land use category within the comprehensive plan, a corresponding map amendment or reszoning for the 47 acres to the newly established zoning district, and then a site plan application that shows you, of
course, the specifics of the details. So essentially what you're considering is a text and a map amendment at the comprehensive plan level, a text and a map amendment at the zoning level to implement the comprehensive plan, and then finally kind of wrapping it all up with all the specifics would be the site
plan application. As Madame Attorney mentioned earlier, um this board is sitting both as the LPA and the planning and zoning board tonight. you will only make one motion, but just for the record, I'm going to uh let you know
which items are being considered as the LPA and which items are being considered as the PNZ. Again, uh more administrative in nature. you're not taking separate votes as different bodies and we're not opening and closing the meeting. But just so that um it's on the record, the following items are being considered by the LPA, the local
planning agency, including ordinance number 20 or 20253, the comprehensive plan text amendment. Ordinance 202504, the comprehensive plan future land use map amendment. Ordinance 20250, amending the unified land development code to establish a new
zoning category. Ordinance 202506, the resoning ordinance. And then a separate item just to get this part out of the way, your ordinance um following this item 202507, which is relating to building height. That will also be considered u by you as the LPA. And then
the following items are being considered um by the PNZ board. So same uh same group obviously but sitting as the PNZ board including ordinance 202505, ordinance 202506, ordinance 202507 and resolution
202533 the site plan. So circling back to the uh paddock development application series of five applications, three of these applications are what we call legislative in nature. So they're establishing new policy that includes
ordinance 2025 03 04 and '05. So that includes your text amendment to the comprehensive plan and your text amendment to the reszoning as well as your future land use map amendment ordinance. The other two items specific to this application are qua judicial in
nature including ordinance um 202506 and resolution 202533. As a matter of practice, staff does not make a recommendation on legislative items as that's a policy decision up to the town council with a recommendation made by uh the body
before us tonight. And at this time, Madam Chair, we don't have any public comments that have been submitted physically or online. Yes. Um are we um observing the cut off of of noon today or we would allow someone um
if they had submitted it late? Are you saying none before? We would not have and we have not received anything. Okay. Thank you. They recovered. My apologies. We do have um one comment that's from Mr. uh Miss Christy Coleman. I apologize. It got stuck under my
stick. So before we turn it to the applicant, just a quick summary of the uh applications and the the reason that these are before you tonight is that of course uh the town does have certain regulations in place that allow for up to four RVs uh to be uh parked and
stored and um occupied on certain properties depending on certain conditions and thresholds. However, uh the application before you exceeds the allowance of four RVs per property and would be subject to state regulation as an RV park. And therefore, both the
comprehensive plan and the land development code need to be amended to accommodate such a development plan. And so that's why you have the comprehensive plan text and map amendment and the corresponding uh text amendment to the uldc and the map amendment. And the site plan would implement each of those four
applications. So, you may have heard discussion in the past about RVs in the town and the um threshold is four RVs per property based on state limitations. Any more than four, you become an RV park and the town does not currently
have regulations to accommodate such a development plan. So, that's included in the applicants package before you tonight for consideration. Um, so with that, that concludes staff's uh introduction to the application package before you. Again, there are five separate items and you will take
separate votes at the end of uh the presentations and the titles will be read in accordingly um for each of those five items. So, with that, I'll turn it to the applicant if that's okay with you, madam chair. Our public comment um Miss Cole, is that the last name? Miss Coleman. What is it? Miss Coleman.
Coleman. Miss Coleman. Um I prefer that you go after the presentation. So, if there's any additional comments you want to make or if it clears up any comments you want to make, um, then we'll do that. Okay. Thank you.
Yeah. Madame Chair, board, it's a pleasure to be here this evening. We um have enjoyed working with this town and getting to know it over the about uh 18 months in working on this project. So, thank you. Tonight we'd like to talk about our exclusive
motor coach resort that we've been planning. We are very excited about it and feel this is a continuation of the hospitality that is uh neighboring us next door. Today motor coaches are kind
of mobile um hotel rooms almost. They're very very high-end, very polished, very plush. And this is a continuation of having the hospitality adjacent to the uh bricks and mortar of a hotel. We like this location because we
are, as you well know, in equestrian US central. Um we like this area, Palm Beach. We also like the fact that um there are a there's a tremendous
shortage of um RV spaces throughout the eastern side of Florida. If you looked at a map of Florida and you plotted all of the RV parks, there is about 10 times many on the west coast compared to the
east coast. Today, RVs constitute 10 million RVs in the country. And there are more on the on the rise. Folks are traveling. They're have they have the flexibility. They enjoy the company of their families and their friends and
being involved in different activities. We think this is an ideal location. Our community is centered around rural recreation and we're in the heart of that rural space. We like the fact that existing today are the agurism
businesses that are currently here and the equestrian focus. We think that our guests are going to enjoy that very much. Over the last um months, we've done some extensive due diligence from
survey to environmental studies to drainage to traffic to land planning to the landscape to the tree ordinance. We've done a lot of work, a lot of homework and a lot of study. And before we even got started, we did a market
study to confirm the demand. and it's it's it's very um prevalent. We also engaged the help of a national property manager that specifically does RV parks and they've confirmed our analysis for
the demand along with Zabic and Associates, a local economist. Um, I wanted to be clear too that there's have been some questions about the amount of time that we're taking with staff and their consultants. That's
on our dime. We've paid for the cost recovery fees for all the study to be done. There's been no expense to the town, including no legal bills. Uh, all that legal uh discussion in previous um council council meetings is not applicable to
us. We pay we pay as we go. Uh to talk a little bit more about why here I told you about the demand. Yes, I told you about the rural area. I told you about the equestrian part of it. But
we like this area because of its location. It's on the east coast as I talked about its convenience to all of the different activities beyond the equestrian area but just the population growth here in the palm beaches. Um we knew when we signed up
for this endeavor it was going to be challenging. Um the we looked in our due diligence study and we looked at a 2019 vision plan for the town. We thought it was interesting that some of the things that
the town was interested in we've now provided and that is that rural theme and Joe will talk about that a little bit more. We've also um knew that the town unfortunately has not been
satisfied with previous developments as a lot of things were promised and not delivered. And we wanted to be certain and be completely transparent that we do what we say. And to do that, we had to do a lot more work. And we're ready to
document that, confirm that, put that in writing, and make that um with with complete certainty that it's going to get done. We'll talk a little bit more about that in our presentation. Um, we've accept we've accepted the uh
the opportunity to develop new relationships here and that's been the part that I've really enjoyed. We've probably had 14 to 20 different meetings, whether that's neighborhood workshops, meeting with council persons,
meeting with staff, meeting with local residents to find out what their interests were, what their concerns were. And it's been a pleasure to work with this town. We endeavor to be the guys that
are different, that do what they say, to really be the model developer, if you will. We want to develop something that we're all proud of. And we want to share that success with the town. Some of the things that have come up in these
neighborhood presentations and workshops have been been very helpful in developing our final plan. And we've tried to implement many of those things that you'll see here tonight. And that goes from the buffers to access to the
community into our into our project to also providing a significant amount of funds impact fee for the use for the town to use what it needs to help correct or embellish some of its goals and objectives. It's been a uh long run. Um
we've had some critical input. We've had some false accusations and we're happy to be here tonight to correct those and we are excited about moving ahead. Just quickly, the timetable would be to get through the approval process, get
permits completed and then we would be on to our construction phase which would be about 14 months. We have done a lot of engineering. We've submitted our engineering plans already to the water management district. We've got architectural plans and again we did all
that to have 100% certainty that give the town 100% certainty that this is what we're going to do. So tonight we in addition to the zoning and the land use change, we're submitting our site plan which is firm and final.
Um, at this time I'd like to show just a little video clip to give a sense of the style and theme. As you see it, we're maintaining tree canopy. We're
going to be 60% green. Um, it's going to be serene. It's going to be comfortable. And you have to remember that this is the experience that we're selling in marketing. And we want to maintain that. Um, we've even had as you can hear the
bird chirps, but we like the we like the sound as we had a neighborhood meeting on site a few months back and you could hear the chickens in the background and I think that talks to the theme. We've named the project the Paddic. Again, the
equestrian theme, kind of Disney-esque, if you will, to try to create a an environment that's friendly, that's warm, that's inviting. Um, our location is off of Sea Road and we like that location because
we have direct access. Our residents will be right in right into the project. They can't go further. Sea Road does not extend through the community. So, we're we're keeping the traffic contained to our site. The direct access off Southern uh
is helpful and easy for our our guest. We've also um as part of the project developed a trail that goes around the entire perimeter of our site. We understood that the connectivity of the trail
system is important to the town. And what we've done is taken about 8 acres of property that's going to be available for public use that brings our property and then there are access points uh to
to access the trail and it's a kind of an eco trail. We expect to to be able to bike on that to hike on that to to use your bring your horse. There'll be some parking at the end of Sea Road if you want to actually trailer your your horse
over there or park with your bicycles or whatever. The trail will be separated with a buffer. So, as you walk as you walk or run around the trail, you won't see our RV park. We've got the buffer that separates
that. As you can tell in the plan, we're 60% green. We've done a complete tree study. We've uh mitigated for those trees all on site and we'll we'll maintain a 60% uh tree cover. We have a very robust uh
landscape plan and if you look a little closer you can see the amenities and Joe will talk a little bit more about that. We have two swimming pools, two club houses, about 22,000 square feet in in clubouses that include fitness space, uh
pickle ball courts, outdoor seating area. Um we expect to have some little paddle boats on the lakes. We have about 5 acres of lake, so we want to make it a pleasant and warm experience. The architecture that we've employed uh
follows the guidelines of the town's rural vista um criteria. We have porches and metal roofs and handrails and open spaces that we think fit with the theme of the
town. Um tonight we have brought a portion of our team. We have a very extensive team. First off, I want to talk a little bit about our investment partner. Um, and that is Parkway. Parkway and I have done uh
three projects over $200 million in value over the last five years. Uh, Parkway is a huge um firm headquartered in Orlando. they have in their portfolio of
management um over $3 billion worth of real estate tonight. also with us um here. But before I get to them, the rest of our team, I talked about Advanced Outdoors, that's our property management firm. Um and Zick and Associates, which
is a local firm that helped us with the economic study. Tonight, uh with us, um I have Lauren Mlullen with um helped us with the planning. She's um with Jay Morton
and Associates. Um her associate Michelle is here as well, Shane. And uh we brought along Joe Mincson Mincson with our um environmental team. And uh Joe's going
to talk about the engineering tonight and Brian Kelly's going to talk about traffic. But so at this time, I'd like to turn it over to Lauren and then the rest will follow. Thank you. So, good evening. Uh, as as Gabe said, I'm Lauren Mlullen. I'm the director of planning with J. Morton Planning and
Landscape Architecture. Um, so we're requesting Caitlyn gave a good summary. We're requesting of several interconnected applications. Um, so it would be an amendment to the comprehensive plan text, an amendment to the comprehensive plan map, uh,
amendments to the zoning code and amend and a reszoning to the zoning map, and then of course site plan approval, all to allow for the development of the rural RV resort. Um, the proposed comprehensive plan text amendment will
create, there we go, they'll create a new land use called rural recre rural recreations. It's hard to say. Uh, this new future land use designation allows for a maximum of eight RVs per acre and a maximum F of
0.08. The proposed comprehensive plan text further restricts the location and acreage for properties requesting that this designation of rural recreation. So, this shows the the map and you can see SE road in the expansion
and southern. So you can see we are changing the map the comprehensive plane map designation from R5 to rural recreation. Um this change uh this change is fully aligned with the town's adopted comprehensive plan policies and meets the Florida state
statutes. Um it supports recreation e and ecourism goals, protects wetlands, natural features, promotes economic development in a manner that is consistent with the town's rural character. Uh the land use change also allows for a transitional use that enhances compatibility and a buffer
between some more intense uses and some more um of the residential uses. So as I mentioned, we're also requesting a zoning code amendment to create a new zoning designation called rural RV resort. Um and to implement
this rural RV resort, the proposed zoning texts define and regulate the zoning designation as well as create a new use called RV resort in the code. Um the regulations set clear parameters including plot coverage, height
restrictions, setbacks, landscape requirements, signage requirements, and occupancy limitations. Um these updates ensure a high standard of design and operational compatibility. So now just for the zoning map. So the zoning we are
reszoning from agriculture residential to you can see the green um to the RV resort. The proposed resoning is consistent with the current and proposed comp plan language. Um the current condition there are changed conditions
including the increased usage of wreck vehicles that Gabe has mentioned which have occurred um making this RRVR appropriate. Um and you'll hear more about the site plan in I think a few minutes. I turning over to you Gabe. Yep.
Okay. Okay. Hey, good evening. Thank you for having us. My name is Joe Brinson. Uh I was hired uh to help the uh the paddic with the environmental issues uh in including u the uh tree
inventory health assessment. Um um I spent and my staff and I spent about 3 weeks on site doing uh the tree inventory and health assessment assessing about over 200 trees out there. And uh of those 2500 trees,
approximately 50% were deemed unhealthy. Um now that doesn't mean they're trying to discount them from mitigation or anything. We just wanted to know what was out there so they could pick and choose and have a little bit more information for the landscape architect to be able to prepare their plan.
Um so uh in the health assessment, majority of the issues out there were decay, rot, um some wind damage. Um however, again, we're not trying to discount those trees. We're going to offset those fully with a landscape plan. Um and not paying into the tree
bank fund. It's all going to be replaced on site and um which is in accordance with the city code or town code, excuse me, and equates to approximately $3.5 million in landscape plantings. Um in addition, a lot of the trees out there
were were la, which is a very it doesn't live very long. It's a I I hate seeing them planted. Some some landscape architects still plant them, but it's we're we're trying to get away from that. But a m majority of these trees were laurel oaks and were native.
They're natural trees and they're just bad um compartmentalization. When they get a um something hits them or a limb falls or rots, they just are poor in compartmentalization and allows rot to get in and then decay and and the tree
fails pretty quickly thereafter. Um and with that with the landscape plan we're propo we're not planning any any proposing any laurel oaks. We're proposing a majority uh live oak, which is a much hardier tree. I'm sure everybody's aware of what the the live oak tree is. And now with the new
varieties we have, they're much faster growing. They get to um you know, they they might meet the average tree that was removed within 7 to 8 years. Um in addition to that, aliveoglyphs much longer. It's considered a climax
species. Um while laroke is a u is one of the first successional species that comes out and only lives 100 you know if it's a healthy tree lives 100 120 years while a live oak will live you know up to 500 years and so you know who knows what's going to happen 500 years the
longevity of these trees they're proposing also the cost of them as as you know I just stated 3.5 million is nothing to to shake your your fist at so um um And in you in addition to that there are
you know some pines being planted and palms. So trying to mimic the natural habitat in this area. Um they've done the landscape architect has done a great job in in research and and figure out what trees to plant back to to match the
native habitat um in our area and um and to meet the uh the applicant 60% green initiative to make sure and with these developments there's a lot you know a lot more ability to plant trees back when we're doing commercial or even
residential. it's hard to get all the inches being removed, but due to the lack of impervious that most have um they were able to plant back a lot of trees. Um like I said, replacing all the inches on site.
Um and addition to that, you know, there's all also some of the natural habitat out there was um completely inundated with acacia um earleaf acia. I'm sure I don't know if you're aware, but it's an invasive species here in South Florida
and had in the areas where the uh there was no maintenance being done. They basically had overrun the area. So, that's going to be removed. And also, um to segue into my second half, don't really have a slide, but also did I'm also a professional wetland scientist in
handling all the permitting and wetland dealation, also coordination with the water management districts and um there are wetlands on site. However, they're they're isolated, not not of high quality. We've already had our pretty our site visit with this water rancher district. Got the the functionality,
what we call the uh the um uh the functional gain, functional lift or um functional value of a wetland that's been approved. Also, the size of the wetland's also been approved by the water management district. In addition to that, a lot of um you developers have
to go off-site for their mitigation um which is typically done at a mitigation bank. And a lot of people don't really understand the mitigation bank process. Um I think it's a great process um for for um wetlands to be mitigate mitigated out, but um we're doing all this on site
and so they're going to we've already basically got an approved plan. We a little bit of tweaks um you know before they issue the permit. Uh but we're going to be enhancing and preserving and restoring wetlands on site and uplands to offset the functional loss of the
wetland impacts. So no nothing's going off site. Everything is being contained within the 47 acres environmentally. Um I think that's about it. Um they're pretty straightforward on the
wetlands. Uh, and uh, yeah. Good evening. I'm Joe. I'm on the advocate team and I've been working on the design side as well. And looking at the site plan here to take a closer look. Couple
topics I want to discuss on the engineering design of the site plan. First is parking. We have ample parking per the code, enough for guests and staff. The dimensions are designed to in
accordance with town standards and the town's code. The building setbacks, you'll notice that the buildings are situated far from the property line and that was done intentionally. and and in addition it's
also removed with ample distance to collecting canal. So the setbacks of the buildings are met with ease and and far exceed the minimum requirements. The two clubhouse buildings, the welcome center
um all all of them that you see on the plan. As far as um drainage design, as Joe mentioned, we have worked with the district and we've received review comments and we've addressed their um
the comments received, including for drainage. And for the property, all of the drainage will be contained within the project area. There are two drainage ponds that will be that will take all of the rainwater
in from the total property area and handle treatment attenuation uh within about 5 and a half acres of drainage area. And that also in addition to the drainage, we
have worked and figured out the flood plane. And so we're in compliance with all the requirements for both the flood plan and the storm water. And it has come up before so I'll mention that the
storm water being contained on site, it will not pollute collecting canal. there would be no way for any trash or debris or anything to get into the canal which would then go farther
downstream and then utilities. So for each of the sites, we'll there are power pedestals and that will give each RV a connection and the ability for plug in
as a power source. It'll also allow for since each RV will have a a source of of power, we'll not need to run generators. And we will require that that is the case except for in emergency
situations to not run generators while staying at the resort so that there's not any excess noise that could be overcome without that. And um water and sewer hookups are
also to each site. So the power pedestals have a water connection and then the sewers there is a discharge a cap that's a 4-in PVC that each RV can
pump out into at each site. So there will be no need for pump trucks to come around and dispose of any waste. No need for the RVs to leave each of the sites to do that when it's when it's needed.
Nor will any of the waste water pollute the groundwater because there will be no septic tanks or drainage fields and in turn that will not get into the aquifer. And because the water supply is also to
each site, there will be no wells or use of of the water, the local water supply. Um, in the utility source, it's it will be tied to Palm Beach County and that will be down Sea Road, an extension
of the water and sewer services that water comes partially up Sea Road. Currently sewer is is at Southern and which will then require a private lift station and that'll all be installed on
site. We've done a full phototric plan for lighting. What you see here is the pedestrian style light that is 15 foot maximum. the second light there on the right. And
we've limited to our best ability the locations of lights throughout the project, only putting them where is needed for life safety reasons. And because of the 15t height and the the
downlit direction that the lights are on the poles, there will be no light spillage over the property line. And again, they're clustered closer to the entrance and the clubhouse building and some of the amenities. So much
farther from the canal and the surrounding properties. On the left is Ballard lighting and those are for each of the individual sites. Those are 3 and 1/2 ft. Um, we likely have the RV site
number for directional signing on the post so you can see which site uh is a way of wayinding and uh to give it a little extra light needed as you're at your campsite.
The rest of the photos, I won't get into the details, but just wanted to show the quality of the pavers, which are a rural Vista item, but are um typical on each of the RV sites. Um,
some have the fire pits, some are kitchens, outdoor amenities, just very high caliber, high quality uh products, including some with cabana shades and um additional privacy.
For the architecture, we've gotten a lot of input and of course the rural vista guideline we used to a te and followed to be in compliance with that. Cassie and we went on some iterations back and forth on inspiration photos and making sure it's in keeping
with the town. And so to touch on some of those items for out of the rural vista character, the siding is a vertical lap sighting as you can see in the image. The top is the clubhouse and so is the bottom left.
That's just the west elevation. And so the the vertical lap siding and a wood textured Hardy um siding. The roof material is a hip on
deck which brings a lot of charm and we've included a a substantial amount of break breakup in the roof design. Uh the architect has really made sure to focus on that element. the the windows are are very decorative
and have a sense of variety. It's um very resort and high high quality um clubhouse and architecture design. And then lastly, as Gabe pointed out, the porches and
entryways, there are over 5,000 square ft of porch area. They're deep. They're greater than eight feet, which is required by the Royal Vista. There's plenty of space for seating and sitting
out on the porches uh and utilizing that space. And then lastly, the building height is only one story. So, we're far in in accordance with the code on any height restrictions or uh concerns
there. And now we'll turn it to Michelle Duchaine. Good evening. My name is Michelle Duchaine, director of landscape architecture with J Morton. So, this site, the resort RV park, has four
different types of typical lots we have out there. All of them far exceed the minimum requirements. Each is landscaped with native plant material and it provides both screening between each of the lots and also a fair amount of
shade. We've eliminated any sod on this. Between the lots, we have used native shrubs, gl grasses, and ground covers on it. And where feasible, we're going to use the pine needle mulch to reinforce the native aesthetic
and support that native habitat, bringing that back in, tying it all back together to the rural feel. So, I want you to see the the four different pipes. two are a little bit larger than the others, but you can see the code
requires one tree for each of these. We're providing at least one shade tree with a combination of pines and palms and understory to provide a lot of shade on each of these. Um, so we exceed the code by a
minimum of 50% on each one each of the requirements. more trees and shrubs than are required. And we've planted additional trees for that shade and to make it a more inviting landscape stuck. Can we click it? Can you click it
forward? Thank you. Try it again. Yeah. Yeah. While the primary purpose of the north buffer is to screen the RV resort from the neighboring residences, we've worked closely with the staff to create a
design that goes far beyond a standard hedge and evenly spaced trees. We want this to be inviting. We want it to be aesthetic from the exterior looking in. And we don't want the users of this to necessarily know that they're driving or
or biking or walking by an RV resort. So the buffer includes a 6ft tall hedge and it'll be planted 6 feet at install and that is on top of a twoft high BM providing instant opaque screening. So
we've layered on top of that beds of tiered native shrub material. We've worked with the town's consultant that reviewed the landscape. We've incorporated native species tearing so it all eventually grows together and creates a a welcoming native
habitat and does really break up what could be a very monotonous appearance from the outside. The trees include a diverse mix of large canopy trees, pines, groups of understory trees, and palms. The buffer
and the pathway trail on the north is meandering. So, we have planted trees and shrubs on both sides of this trail to to try and again bring in the natural um inviting landscape.
The we've carefully located the trees to minimize conflicts with any equestrian use users and provided shade and comfort and visual interest along that corridor. The I don't have a slide for it but the remainder of the site are is
landscaped in excess of the minimum. So, where we've gone above and beyond on these buffers as well as the lot typicals, the areas when you come in, the main entry around the pools, the club houses, all are planted with a lot
of tears of material, a lot of groups of native pines and palms and canopy trees just to give that overall wonderful welcoming view and aesthetic. Thank you. For the record, Brian Kelly with Simmons and White. Our office
prepared the traffic study for the site. Um, I'll try to be pretty brief on here. I only have one slide. Um, when we do a traffic study, it's not done in a vacuum. There are certain standards that we have to follow and it's thoroughly vetted. So the traffic study that we completed was submitted to both Palm
Beach County, their traffic division. It met their concurrency requirements, which is the traffic performance standards, and it was also submitted to the town, and the town actually had their own traffic consultant review it. There was some back and forth, made adjustments, revisions, ultimately approved um by both Palm Beach County
and the town of Lockache Grove's traffic consultant. um particularly from a per acre basis, this is the an RV park is substantially less traffic and less trips than many many other different land uses. So um when you look at the projected traffic and what that
comparison is to Southern Boulevard, it's about 1% of the traffic that would be on Southern Boulevard, it's actually mostly less than that. At certain times it would be about 1%. And Palm Beach County when it gets to when it's about this percentage, it's really considered insignificant or deminimous. So, it's
not to say there's any traffic, but essentially the impact of it is very very little from a from a field perspective. Um, and that's certainly not just Southern Boulevard, but extending out onto the overall roadway network. With the design, this will keep traffic, you know, as best as possible
off of the um off of the town roadways other than Sea Road for access and then certainly onto Southern Boulevard. Um, we have coordinated with the FDOT. we actually have a preapp or a driveway approval letter um to to have that connection on SE road. We've even discussed and talked about a traffic
signal there in the future. That is an item that would be discussed later on and they'd certainly have to see the volumes first. So that's not necessarily part of this application where there would if a traffic signal has been uh granted, but it's something that the DOT is open to um in the future when a signal potentially would be warranted
there. And with that, I will turn this over to who's the last one? Okay. Uh, thank you for those reports, all of our consultants. Um, and we're happy to answer questions later. I would like to at this time talk about some of the
conditions of approval that we've profered up and that we think are very important that have come from all these neighborhood discussions. First off, there's a dedication of about 8.75 acres of the property into a land trust or however the town would like it deemed to
be the nature trail to be forever preserved. We also are wanting to record a restriction on the property prohibiting multifamily housing development. We know that that was a concern. Uh this restriction will
prohibit that from ever occurring. The third thing, as I talked about a little bit earlier, we're proposing to pay a $500,000 impact fee to the town. The town can decide what they want to do with that, and it would be paid upon our
project completion before a CO is issued. That means we can't be in business until that's paid. It helps guarantee that that fee will be paid in fact to the town. We also would pay in addition to that about a $25,000
uh fee on an annual basis. That coupled with the ad valorum tax that we estimate to be about $84,000 between the 84 and the 25 a little over $100,000 a year annually that would go in to the town coffers to
help for its ongoing expenses. Um, we also were asked about what happens if we don't live up to our guidelines for running the park. What we would propose to do is we're going to offer
$250,000 bond that would be placed and with stipulated liquidated damages for any failure for us to operate correctly that the town would have access to. Um, we also want to make sure that we're not competing with the current RVs that
are on various properties throughout the town. So, we're going to limit our stays to under 6 months. Um, this is not a resort that wants to propose living there for long term. We want to keep it under 6 months. We make sure that
there's never any addresses ever issued to anybody on site. That's so there won't be any additional voting block or impact to the town. Um so no individual lot sales. This is a leased project only. The sites will never be
sold. We also heard a concern about number of people in each of the RVs. Um we're going to restrict the RV to its owners and no more than two unrelated persons in that RV. It's not, these are not dorms or housing
for large volumes of equestrian workers. That's not what we're about. That's not our program at all. That will be uh heavily monitored and and not allowed. Um we want to offer and be good neighbors. We want to offer our
amenities um for use for holiday events or as the town may want to, we'd like to host that. So, we've we've included that. We also heard that the town would like to have access to our amenities. We're going to have a terrific amenity package including fitness areas and
swimming pool and we're going to offer that up for memberships to the town to invite the public to be part of that. That would be in our offseason months primarily July through October. Um we've talked about the public trail.
Um that would include the parking at the end and we've offered to build even another retention pond that could add to the water challenge. It would not be used for our project but it would be used for compoundment of additional um
need need for compoundment area for the town and maybe offer a little fishing pond there at the end. It could be kind of dual use. Um as Joe talked about, we're going to maintain the minimal lighting. um approved under the uldc
guidelines. I think Joe would like to talk about a few of the advantages we think that we're going to bring to the town. So to tie the conditions of approval and the those items that Gabe just mentioned, I wanted to start with um the
visioning session. actually as we were putting this together tonight and you know thinking about everything we've heard and all the different meetings we've listened to and the people we've met with and just um you know all the
comments and input and what it is that people want to see here in Lockxache Groves and I I came across this actually this morning in our files and so I definitely think it's appropriate I want to go through some of these and this is again
from the visioning session which occurred in September of 2019. So the first priority and little background, I'm sure some of you all are familiar, but this was a a workshop that happened in the town and there were over
200 residents that came and gave their input on did a SWAT analysis and um came up with a lot of great ideas. And so what those are is the first was the priority for future development
should be directed towards projects that reflect the rural nature of the community and other priority is long range financial forecasts to determine available funding.
Then some of the items that were discussed at this workshop of what uses that fit in the community, fitness center, town center, and as I go through these to again tie it in, the fitness center being one of
those items that was discussed, as Gabe said, we are offering to open the amenity clubhouse building of the property for the summer months in the offse. Two residents here in the town
and it's full uh fitness facility, very nice gym uh and resort style uh finishes. And uh another item on this list of of uses that fit was a town center that um
as everybody knows is is to our west and has happened since this workshop. A boutique hotel on southern again another item that is now there. Area park for public events.
One of the opportunities that comes for opening the amenities is a pavilion area that would be available to the town for three events the of each year. The veterans
parade or fourth of July, anything of the town's choosing choosing. And also on this list of uses that fit in the community was a non-residential RV
park. Others were multi-purpose arena venue and a community swimming pool. Um, as we said in our presentation, there will be two resort style pools and those would be accessible to the town for
access during the the months um with the summer months. And then lastly, the uses that don't fit in the community. No big box anything,
strip malls, lowincome housing. Each of those is not at all what our project brings forward and our project would stop any of that from happening on this property. Additional
topics from the 2019 meeting were ideas to foster and protect the town's identity, connection of multi-purpose trails, walking and riding trails, rural vista standards, and to
require impact fees. I just said additional on trail connectivity and funding for the town. So that's a couple things I wanted to just point out there. And you know, so then as you look
at the list and the items that Gabe went through, there are many of those items that are being brought forward here as it relates to the affordable housing. Uh, as Gabe said, we will put a restriction against
multif family and that includes live local and prevents affordable housing and the risk of risk of any of of that nature. uh the trail connectivity and the land dedication and the impact fee funds that
can go towards new trail projects or fixing town infrastructure and also has some impact on the overall tax payment for each individual
resident. It's um it's it's not it plays a role um as far as the prevention of increasing taxes on town residents here. Um the last couple of items Gabe covered
in the conditions but just to conclude on the economic benefits there are many of agurism businesses restaurants that guests of the resort would bring and spend money
here in the town and in addition labor for construction and material materials and supplies that would go into building the resort as well as maintaining and operating
for summer jobs that could be provided to the youth or to locals that can help maintain the resort and work uh and any kinds of services there.
And so lastly, those items um result in a mutually beneficial relationship. And I will turn it back to Gabe for one final piece of our presentation and then we'll
conclude. Thank you, Joe. Um I think I think that last word is right. Mutual relationships and that we're trying to build a working relationship with the town. There's been some myths that have been out and about and want to just try
to review those quickly and dispel those. One, we kept hearing that the town will never get its money. You won't get the taxes. You won't get the impact fee. Well, thanks to Councilman Tom Paul Coleman, he suggested that we bring our
legal counsel with the town's legal counsel, and we are in the process of codifying an agreement that's binding to make sure that all these things happen, including the um $250,000 bond for the liquidated damages. We're not shy about
doing what we say. We're happy to codify it, make it legal, make it binding. We we honor our word. Um there was some mention that we're causing all this expense to the town, whether it's legal expense or review time, the manager, all
of the consultants. That's on our tab. We pay for that. We paid our our um cost for those reviews and our application fees. Um, we've heard that we're doomed to fail, that we don't have the financial
capacity, we don't have the lending. We brought who our partner is. We have a I don't know if we have we have a letter that's up there right now from the chairman of that company, Jim Hon. Jim has reviewed this project with me personally. He's all in. He's very
excited about it and wants us to to uh get started as soon as we have approvals. So, we have the financial capa capacity, capability, and wherewithal to deliver. We keep hearing that we're a trailer park. That's furthest from the truth. We're not a trailer park. We're a
high-end resort community. We're spending $45 million on this project, and we're going to run it correctly, and we want to be proud of it, and it's going to operate um in a very professional and disciplined manner.
We're not going to be noisy and ob obnoxious. That's not who we are. That doesn't that won't that won't lease us spaces and that'll be that'll be counter to what we want to do. We don't want to run it that way. We'll never do that. There was some talk about, well,
what if what if it's not an RV park? What would it be? Would it be a Walmart? Would it be a a warehouse? Who knows? I don't know. We're not advocating that that's what it would be. We think our use is the best. We think we've come down here and demonstrated who we are, our character, our integrity. And I
think you can see our resilience. We've been challenged and pushed. We want to deliver and we want to be proud. We want to be that good relationship with this town. That's why we've invited the community in. We want to be part of the vibrancy
here. Um there was discussion that once we fail, some way the town would be responsible for correcting it. That's furthest from the truth. The property is fe simple. It would be owned by us. It would be our responsibility. Whoever
took over that, that would never happen. Um, we understand that change is difficult, but change happens all the time. Look at the internet. Look at the cell phone. Now, look at AI. If you look at a map of how
Lockxahhatchee growth has changed over the years, you'll see over 20 years, it definitely changes. The key is to control the growth and do it correctly with something that's beneficial to the town and everyone involved. And we think that's what our program does. And we
we'd like to have your support tonight. We thank you for your time. Madam chair, if I may just uh provide a brief summary before you move into uh board discussion and comment. Thank you for your presentation. So, as the applicant uh demonstrated in
their presentation, the ultimate request uh with the development plan is a total of 272 RV spaces with four different parking um typologies or space typologies. There are an additional 16 what the applicant calls parkowned units
and those would be um units basically RVs that are owned and operated by the property manager for folks who are coming to the property that might not have their own RVs but want to experience um the property and and the lifestyle. So those would be um
permanently on the site although subject to the maximum occupation um time limits and uh total number of uh res or um of people per per RV. The applicant also as you saw in the presentation is proposing several different uh accessory
structures on the site including two club houses. They explained that those would be available to the uh town during certain conditions and time frames for membership and town events as well as some accessory structures including the check-in building um some maintenance buildings an outdoor pavilion bath house
and other features that you saw on the site plan. So to achieve this ultimate development plan, as we talked about in the beginning and was explained during the presentation, the applicant drafted uh text amendments to both the comprehensive plan and the ULDC to accommodate this type of development because our current regulations do not
anticipate this type of development. It's a new concept for the town. So the applicant drafted the language that was necessary to achieve their development plan. Um and then the corresponding map amendments were also submitted as an application to amend the properties designations on the land use map and the
zoning map to those newly created districts drafted by the applicant. So they essentially establish the regulations that they needed to establish um or develop the plan that they ultimately desire to to develop as presented tonight. Um the there are a
couple uh cleanup items that the applicant is working through as noted in the staff report. some minor uh changes to the site plan uh to clean up a last few staff comments. One of the items that uh they are continuing to work on in coordination with legal is uh the
opportunities to add more planting to the preserve area. You saw on the site plan that there's about a 4 acre preserve area in the southeast corner. Unfortunately, a lot of those uh plantings that are there are invasives and they'd be required to be removed. So to backfill some of the opacity in that area, we're working with the applicant
to continue to provide some additional plantings in that preserve area uh to kind of put back what you know and fortunately fortunately has to be pulled out that are invasive. Some people would probably prefer to leave them just because of the opacity that it creates, but those invasives do need to be removed. Um as the applicant noted, they
did submit some draft conditions of approval. will be continuing to work with the applicant um through to the point of town council review of the site plan to finalize the conditions. There'll be more conditions of approval, but these are the ones that the applicant has submitted for initial town consideration. The town will have its
own initi um selfinitiated conditions that we'll work with the applicant on to ensure that additional time frames are um included for features like the clubhouse as it relates to opening and operating the site or um operating the site and the property. so that it's ensured that those types of features
including the buffer and other amenities are timely uh developed and and available for the property. Um and lastly, there are a few additional applications that should these applications be approved, the applicant would need to come forward with in a timely fashion, including amending the
plat and uh an application to relocate the conservation easement as noted in the staff report. So, those would be conditions of approval also included in the site plan resolution upon finalization. And that concludes our summary. So I'll turn it back to you. Madam Chair, can you tell us what the
town's recommendation is on the PNC um component of it? Yes. So, uh, as I mentioned at the the beginning on the legislative items, um, which are the policy related items, including the establishment of a new land use category
via ordinance 202503, the map amendment via ordinance 202504 to the future land use element and the establishment of the new zoning district um, via ordinance 20250. Staff does not provide a recommendation because those are policy
decisions. However, should the board and ultimately the council um approve those three initial ordinances, um staff would be supportive of ordinance 202506 and 202533 uh resolution 202533 rather, which are
implementing the first three legislative decisions and what is the town's basis for that? So, should the the town council find that those first three ordinances are warranted and merited, um the the
reszoning would implement the land use that's created by the um by the first two ordinances, the the text and the uh map amendment. And typically once the land use is established, the reasonzoning the onus would be on the
town to demonstrate that a corresponding resoning is not merited or warranted. So once the land use is in place, typically the onus shifts from the applicant to the town to say that a corresponding zoning or reszoning is not warranted um
or appropriate. So based on the location and other factors noted in the staff report and the fact that the burden shifts um once the land use decision is made, staff found that the reszoning would be appropriate as well as the um site plan meets the criteria of the
newly established reasonzoning um or rather land development regulations that were written by the applicant. And is that reszoning just for this project or then any other p um project could come in um with that zone once it's created?
I don't know if that's a question for you or for Yeah. So the applications before you are specific to this property as the applicants team mentioned um there are some criteria that they built in to try to avoid the large proliferation of similar properties throughout the um town. So there are
some uh minimum dimension as well as location criteria established in both the comprehensive plan and the land development regulations. So essentially um when you look at the comprehensive plan text amendment, a property would have to be a minimum of 40 acres um in
size. It would have to have um certain location criteria such as a location along Sea Road and it would also have to um not be within 3 miles of another similar property um that has the same designation. So you can see how that
narrows the uh potential properties quite greatly in terms of additional properties that could uh take advantage of this land use and zoning category. under that application under the uh amended text to the comprehensive plan and land development
regulations which would apply townwide and then the site specific applications for the maps um would be just specific to this property. If someone else felt that they met the criteria, they would come through a similar process um with map amendments as well.
And Madam Chair, if I can just add one one thing for clarification, I don't know if this helps at all. Um so in theory um items 20 and 22
um respectively create a new future land use category and a new zoning category to support that. So in theory they could apply to other than this particular property. However, um as Miss Forbes
just indicated that because of the number of criteria that the property would have to meet, any other future property because of the number of criteria that they would have to meet, it narrows the universe of potential um
applications subject to obviously future changes down the road. As written, I mean, if we took out C Road, then that opens it wide, correct? Yeah. So, so but for now it I just wanted to wanted it to be clear that in theory um items 20 and
22 are are creating those new categories. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a reminder, we do have a public comment still. Yes, I and I do want to hear that and I want to open the questions up um if there's board here because Miss Coleman. Yeah. Um Sammy,
I'm fine to do public comments first. Would you like to take them now? Yes, please. Okay. Miss Coleman. Thank you for your patience. No problem. Christy Coleman, 146206 Court North. First of all, I hate public speaking. Second of all, I'm having terrible allergies, so I apologize for the voice
and if I cough. As these kind gentlemen well know, I am not in favor of this being where it is. Um, I feel like that property is already zoned as something and it can be sold as that. Um, speaking to their traffic expert, I don't see how
any traffic they're going to have there is less than five house, nine houses on five acres each, which is currently how it can be split. Um, I don't see why the owner can't do that. I think making up a brand new pretty name for what is an RV park. It's referred to as an RV park.
Apparently the state regulates it as an RV park. Um I don't see why we need that. Certainly not in a place that's aggres. I know what he's speaking to as to the Walmart. There definitely have been rumors and sayings that oh it's going to be a big box. It's going to be
this. It's going to be that. The bottom line is it's aggress. If our committees and our council do their job and uphold our charter and stand their ground, it will never be a Walmart because it's not zoned to be a Walmart. There actually is a nice big property right on Southern
Boulevard already zone commercial which is way more appropriate for something like this. My guess is it's more expensive and they probably don't want to do that. Um I don't know. I actually just found out that I happen to know who owns it. So they could probably find that out and I'm sure they probably
don't want to do that. Um a couple more things. If they have an owner plus two more people, let's pretend there's only three people in the family. That's five potential people. 272 units. That's potentially over 1,300
extra people in our town. I'm pretty sure our population is under 4,000. So, you're talking another 25 to 30% of the population we already have on 45 acres, which not going to lie, it happens to be right down the street from my house. So, I am very, very opposed to this. Um, he
referred to it an RV or a motor coach, I think he said, as a mobile hotel. Well, guess what? A hotel is not recreation. It is not rural. It is a hotel. So, put the mobile hotel on southern with the other commercial stuff. No problem. Put
your 272 things. If somebody is crazy enough to allow that amount of density, at least put it where everybody expected to be, which is on Southern Boulevard, not right down the road, not where it's agrees. It again, it has a zoning. I
know the owner put out this impassion plea on Facebook. We just want to do what we want with our property. Well, guess what? can't. I can't. I have a little over two acres. I'm a non-conforming lot. If anybody wants to donate another three acres, so I have five acres, I'm more than happy to take it. But right now, that's what I have.
And I can't go and let Walmart build on there because guess what? I'm not zoned for it. So those property owners, nobody's telling them they can't use their lot for what it's meant for. But if they bought it with the purpose, whether because a realtor sold it to them that they can get zoning change
because Lockxa Hatchee Groves is known for letting people do whatever they want or if they just didn't know any better or if they were just really really ambitious. Kind of not my problem. And I don't know why it has to be our problem. I don't know why we're continually having to fend off assaults from people
and developers and companies that are trying to do what they're not supposed to do with the land that they're looking at. It's just not that hard. There is commercial. There is a place to put this. There's a place to put a hotel or whatever. And it's on Southern. And like I said, I'll be happy to share the
address with you. 14189 Southern Boulevard. Big old piece of property. And that one also happens to connect to the trail system and the Lockxahhatche Gross Park. So you have the connectivity right there that you're talking about. It's all right there. It would be beautiful with a nice big buffer. Miss,
you're three minutes. Okay. Thank you very much. Please just let our town be our town and let it keep our character. We don't need this here. Thank you for your comment. Madam Chair, we do have one more public comment card and that's from Mr. Lawson Gaines. Mr. Lawson
Gaines. Lawrence. Lawrence Gaines. Excuse me. How y'all doing this today? Good. Thank you. Lawrence Gaines. we uh residents are owners on 322 C road uh the property
that butts up against his project. Right. All right. So, we've met with uh Gabe and my parents have gone back and forth for now about two three months. All right. Some of my concerns are
this. Uh he mentioned the distance from the property line. I think that the maps are a little bit uh are not exactly showing exactly how they are represented in real life. These
back offs are a lot closer than what the map shows. Um the big question is this. Right now, if I wanted to put 35 homes on that property, I couldn't do it.
I don't understand why we are even considering 200 something slots. Um we're not getting anything out of the deal except for a paved road. And if the
council did what you were supposed to do, C road would be paved anyway, right? So we wouldn't be getting anything out of the bill. Um, aside from that, the
traffic croad doesn't have an intersection. It doesn't even have a turn lane right now. I don't know how you would get 200 some vehicles, regular vehicles, to make a U-turn at B- Road, much less 200
something RVs. Um, you've got the Publix there and if any of you guys travel that way now, the traffic is already backing up to C- Road. Okay. So, if you add more traffic
in this, I don't know how you're going to put a light there. There's a light at D road. So, now instead of the traffic flowing down C road, it's going to be backing up even more. Aside from that, C- Road, I know it's only one house there currently. It
used to be four houses back there, but there's a trucking company on that road there now. Sometimes the semiis back up on that road at the head of the road. I couldn't even imagine 200 something RVs
parked to the north trying to come in and out. Which brings up another important 911 emergencies. How do you get evac from zero? It's not gonna happen. I don't
know what kind of traffic study they did, but don't make sense to me. Um, I think that's pretty much it. Um, what I would advise you to do when I was in the military, um, what saved my life was paying
attention to details. People can talk real good. They can make things sound better than what they are. Pay attention to the details. That's all I got to say. Thank you for your comment and your
service. And that's all for public comment, Madam Chair. Okay. Um, I did also note that about um emergency personnel um and concerns about that or evacuation routes if there's a um a crisis or an
emergency. I don't know if that's something that you guys insurance requirements and also since Mr. traffic man's coming back. Um the also the width of C- road, B- road, D- road. Um and those massive RVs.
Uh I understand that you're talking a lot about southern, but a lot of people are going to come in on Okchobee. Um what do you propose that how are they going to get from Okachobee to southern to get into Sea Road? um it would have to be through one of those town roads
and between the canal and the um the width of the road as it stands now, those uh massive vehicles. Um did you look into those roads at all? Yeah. So um and I've been called much worse than I've been apolog No, no, it's it was a
joke. It's No, no, no, no problem. Uh yes, a lot of these items, you know, we have looked at. Um, you know, first what I do want to say is, you know, when we do these traffic studies, they're actually based on studies that have been done at other similar type land uses and facilities. So, we use what's called the
Institute of Transportation Engineers um trip generation manual. This is an industry standard. It's a requirement from Palm Beach County. It's a requirement essentially from everybody. And so, that's how we get our rates when we look at um for different land uses. So, even though there's 280 something uh
RV sites, these are not all vehicles coming in at one time. That is spread out over a larger period. And um you know, I know I don't have an RV. My I have family members that have an RV, so I'm very familiar with these types of facilities. And people go there, they tend to stay there for a while. That's
the whole idea as a luxury RV park is they're there, they may be there over several nights, and that's because they're not taking their RV with all the hookup and leaving. So they're spread out over time. It's not all at once. As far as where they'd be coming from because we have no direct connection to
the north because collecting canal road doesn't connect there. We anticipate they would use the major roadways depending on where they're coming from. So whether that be seminal Pratt um Crestwood if they're coming from Okchobee they'd be coming down one of the more major roadways to get into the
site from coming off of Southern. So I don't envision them using you know B-ro D road or F- road. would use some of the major corridors before getting to southern and turning on to Seaw Road. I can I'll turn it over to Joe or I'll try to answer this and Joe can correct me if I'm wrong. As far as the design of Sea
Road, we would be paving that. We would making sure that from a structural standpoint, it's it's uh it can handle the um the weight of the vehicles and also as far as the width and everything else, there are engineering design criteria for this. So the road has to be designed to meet those standards both
from a width perspective also from a radius perspective. We actually have little simulation models we can do for larger trucks to make sure they can turn on to uh turn onto the road from one another as well. So make sure we have the right radius. So all this is factored in when we look at it and we we
don't anticipate any issues with that. But that doesn't um in that doesn't do anything to the existing paved seaw road um because you're saying it stops before connecting canal. So when you're talking about paving and and the structures and
and all of that, you're talking simply where the RV park's going to be without any from Southern Boulevard north to our entrance. Correct. Do I have that correct? So that's where that's where our RVs would be driving. they would not be driving anywhere else on Sea Road
other than from Southern Boulevard to the entrance because there's nowhere else to go on Sea Road um that they would need to go. Thank you. Thank you. This is a a point of clarification on that. The adjacent property owner for the Groves at Town Center master plan um is required as a
condition of their approvals to make certain improvements to Sea Road up to Tangerine. And I believe the applicant coordinated with Groves at Town Center to and through public works to make sure that um your right-of-way design aligned with their right-of-way design from the point of um Sea Road to Tangerine, the
Groves at Town Center would design and then the applicant before you tonight coordinated with their engineering team to ensure a consistent design north of Tangerine to the point of your entrance. Is that correct? Okay. Thank you. Um I'm going to open up questions to the board.
Hello. Yeah. Uh uh three quick questions. Do you guys have any policies of age restriction on the park uh for children or family or is there anything that um it's included on on the the book rules?
We have a full list of rules and regulations when we want to promote families. Um yes. So it's not adult only. We have two sections of the park. one that it was um probably even a little more exclusive and then we have a family section we would be promoting
both. Okay. Uh the second question pertinent for what he just uh is there any provision that at the entrance you would have like a uh designed uh traffic uh on the road that if any RV
could come in and come out without having to pass through uh check in and check out. So like if there is some kind of like a missing and then you don't create this traffic jam on C road because as someone
misinformed or trying to get there without a previous reservation or something like I as I can see here it does show something like that. I don't know if this is expecting that kind of interaction of in and out
without having to uh uh clear your uh uh security area. Is that something that could be uh Yes, we have a welcome center up front. We have room for staging about four or five RVs to get them off a sea road. In the event that there was an emergency for a fire
vehicle that can actually pass through before you get to a gate, there's a roundabout to make the loop. And we've run the engineering to allow emergency vehicles to circulate through. So you could actually come into the park, make a U-turn, and go back out without interruption. All right. Okay. And well,
unless Sorry about that, Vinnie. No, good. Um, have you guys thought about uh on high season similar to airports, a kind of a traffic control by time of check in in a reservation. So like you
avoid uh uh a massive uh uh group uh I don't know uh maybe providing them a slot of time a window to be uh getting to the property. So also try to mitigate this uh uh crashing on the yes in the
world of technology today you'll be able to make your advanced reservation. You'll be able to pay for that. You won't in fact have to stop. you can go directly to your site so that it there won't be a backup at all on Sea Road, but we'll have times and expected times. You could you could enforce restriction on time coming in and out. Yes, that's
correct. Yes, sir. I was just worried about the negative comments of Mr. Coleman and Mrs. Coleman. Mr. Santiago, if you could just speak into your mic so it picks it up. Thanks. What are you doing for the negative comments that Mr. Coleman and Mrs. Coleman? How are you addressing that? We've tried to address the
concerns of the town as much as we can that that we can fix. I can't do anything about, you know, preventing change. Um, our land owners, the land owners, there's three land owners that have had the property for a long period of time. They want to do something. They
thought they got close um several years ago. Someone proposed the same thing. And the reason it stopped was because they wanted to sell the lots. We're not interested in selling the lots. We want to run it as a rental and to prevent any change in the address block. In terms of
what we're trying to do with the environment, we're trying to put it back. I think that previously to our ownership, the the site had more tree cover. We're going to be adding to the tree cover. We're trying to do give back to the town. We're doing in the rural recreation trail. We're trying to help
with the the revenue source to help prevent taxes from being increased. We think we're going to help contribute to that some of that. We want to make use of the current environment, the agurism business here and the various um economy. We think we're going to add to
that. We're trying to be good neighbors opening up the facility to uh to allow members to uh guests to come in and use our wreck facilities. So, there's definitely trade-offs. We we we can't we
can't develop the land and and keep it the same. Um we've made a big investment in this project. We've done a lot of study. We think it's appropriate and we think it's the right fit. We have an 80 foot buffer on that edge of the
residential um between our property and any residential there. Um, so we're we're trying to be conscientious of of the concerns and I think we've tried to address those. Um, but I can't I can't address no change.
Do you mind if I ask a quick question on the back of that? Have you do you have any information on how it would impact property values? That's tough to kind of say. Um, we've tried to look at that and I
don't know how you would make that even comparison. Um, I'm sure it would get challenged. Um, I I don't I don't have any of that data to share with you. Okay. Thank you. Does Todd have any questions? Uh, do you? I do, but it's pretty lengthy, so
Okay. Todd, would you like um Todd, do you have any questions that you want to ask? His hand is up, I think. Yes. Oh, I see it now. Okay. Yeah. The floor is yours, sir. So, first thing I just want to disclose, I have some exparte communication with the applicant many, many months ago. Um, we discussed uh
traffic on B- road, the increased traffic on B- Road and Southern. Um, we discussed the possibility of a traffic light at SI and Southern and possible uh potable water lines brought to the surrounding residents there um on Temple and West Dro. I don't know if anything
um has taken place in regard to that. Um, one of my one of my concerns is on page two of 16, it talks about the site plan. Um, and and it's maybe it's a typographical error. It says, uh, proposed development plan for 272 RV
spaces with 16 parkowned spaces. That would lead me to believe that 260 spaces are not parkowned. Um, another thing that came up recently with the finance committee, this went in front of the finance committee and they discussed the uh economic feasibility of
the of the project. And my question to the town attorney is is that the town's um requirement or maybe not requirement is the right word, but um does the town have the ability to look at each applicant and determine whether they're
feasible uh financially feasible or not and we can approve or disprove disapprove based on that? I've never seen that taken place. I know years ago it used to be common practice, but I thought something had changed. Um, and then another question for the town attorney is they were talking about
impact fees paying $500,000. And I know there was case law quite a few years back where um if a um if a municipality asked the developer to say pave a road that was 2 miles down the street, if it didn't directly affect
the applicant's property, that wasn't legal and they could actually claw that money back. Um, can you give an opinion on that? Um, so Madam Chair, if I may, there are kind of two questions there. Um, and I'll address them in the order in which
they were asked. So question one was whether or not the economic feasibility of a project really should factor into a land use decision. Um, so really what you're looking at or your your touchstone, your primary factors
that you I would say you should be looking at are the comprehensive plan. How does this change that's proposed fit in with the overall comprehensive plan of the town? Um, and furthermore, um, once that's established, um, if you were
to approve the recommendation to add that, uh, new future land use designation, um, next you're looking at whether or not the proposed zoning, um, aligns with that. So, you know, right now you're not sitting as a quasi
judicial board, you're sitting as a purely advisory board. Um, so you have a little bit more leeway in terms of what your recommendations are to council. But if we were to be giving it, you know, a strict staying within the the guard
rails, I think the most legally defensible guardrails are sticking to what's in the comprehensive plan and whether or not the proposed changes are consistent with that because everything flows from that. Um, so that was the first question. And the section the
second question was as to impact fees and um what the town can request of an applicant. Um so there is such a thing as an in the law as an exaction. Um an exaction is not per se illegal um but it
can be in some inst instances. So, um when a an applicant is asked to donate either cash or property or something else in kind um the courts look at whether or not it has a rational nexus
to the development that is um proposed by the applicant and if the two things are completely disconnected it it is subject to legal challenge. Um, so again, um, does it does it invalidate
the entire contract or that would just invalidate their requirement to pro provide the dollar amount that they had agreed to? Madam Chair, I I believe it would be severable. All of our documents that whether they be ordinances, resolutions, etc.,
um, are intended to to be that way. Um, so it wouldn't in invalidate the entire project, but of course it's no one's goal to have anything get approved by town council with a a condition that's not legally defensible. And that's why Miss Forbes indicated that we're
continuing to work with um council for the applicant so that if and when a final site plan resolution does get put before town council, it's defensible.
Um, so I kind of gave you a 30,000 foot answer. Um, are there any follow-up questions based on what I just said? Yes. May I address the other issues to Todd? Let's let um let's stay on this topic
for even though that the the unless I do not understand it's an unilateral volunteer offering from the the developer of the the 500,000 would that be
uh something that he could back off on that legally? It's less likely because if to the extent they brought it up and the town is um we're agreeing to work something out, it's less likely than if they came to a hearing and you know they
agreed to something under under fire so to speak and you know I I've seen I'm aware of instances where I believe that's been invalidated by the courts down the road. But again, every case has its own facts, its
own circumstance. In this case, to the extent they're working with us, I think the the chances of that happening are lower. I I believe so, sir. Overreach. Question. Just for the record. So, this is not guaranteed. I'm sorry. Can you repeat your question?
So, that amount is not guaranteed. The bond? No, the 500,000. The 500,000. It's not guaranteed. Um I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna defer to the applicant to to talk about that, but the the question was about the legal
defensibility of the provision. So, and a and and a little bit of history on that because the they offered they said they would make donations and I I think actually it was me that said, "Well, if you change your mind, where does that leave us?" Right? So, this sounds like
they're working to try and make it a little more enforceable than just a choice. Um, so they're they're attempting to secure that. But to Todd's point, um, is there, not to speak for Todd, but
my understanding of Todd's point, is there a way that, um, that would could not withstand scrutiny? Um, it's not under duress. We're not forcing them to do it. They're offering, they brought it to us. So I think the the representation is so it's positive, right? There's a
lot of positive facts, but to answer your question directly, no, there's no guarantee that we if it was challenged, we would win in court. And I I bet they're going to say no, we wouldn't challenge it. Um but right, you never you can't predict the future. As you say, the future's changed.
Just a second. Am I under the impression you said that you would be previous at your certificate of occupation, right? Okay. So I I think that's I think that's the help on the guarantee. We can't open up the facility until it's paid. And we want the town attorney and our attorney
to work out the nomenclature and the correct legal to make it binding. Our intent is to make it binding as much as that can be. I don't know about all the legal and how to maybe get out of it, but our intention is for it to be binding and that's what we want. We don't we don't want loopholes in it. We
want it as tight as it can be. Our intention is to pay that fee. In terms of the other questions, can can we make sure Todd has no followup on that um issue there, Todd, since it was your question? The question's been answered.
Um yeah, it's been answered. Thank you. Okay. To your other questions, Todd, the utility extension, we are definitely bringing potable water up from Southern Boulevard and we have the sanitary and we're certainly amendable to talking to the town about connections into that or
looping into our system. We think that's a great idea and be happy to do it. We just need to get some direction from the town, but that would definitely be available to tie into our system or we might have to extend the lines a little further. Happy to do that. Um, in terms
of your question, Todd, about ownership of the sites, I think that's a nomenclature issue. The idea is that we would own all of the sites. The the the ones that have the the provided RV, the RV would be owned by us and the site
would be owned by us. We' just be able to lease that. So, we just tried to limit how many um um property owned facilities we would have on site. Does that answer your question? The idea was all of the sites
are going to be leased. There is no sale. We own all of them. We're just going to own I think it was 16 um RVs that we would furnish on site. I I understand what you're saying and I think that was the intent, but that's not what's in writing. What's in writing says that there will be 16 sites that
are owned by you, but 272 sites total. So that leads me to believe that the other 260, right, are not going to be owned by you. So we need we need to correct the nomenclature. Might be a typo there, but it specifically says doesn't say RVs, says RV sites.
Well, we we'll correct it. That's not the intent. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Do those also stay um follow the same conditions the less than six months the number requirement. Yes. Okay. I have a couple questions and
when I was not on the committee I did speak with the developer. I don't know if that's a thing. So I'm just putting it out there. Um since it's all together I have a couple questions are all over the place. They talk about the um when we're looking at the
proposed comprehensive plan and they come up with this three mile designation. And I guess I need to ask Caitlyn or whoever, how did we come up with this three mile designation in proximity to this development? Let the applicant respond to that since it's
language that they've crafted in response to their request. Address that. Well, I think I think what we're trying to do is we're trying to limit that no nothing else would ever happen inside the town but our RV park. And we're
trying to make it very exclusive so that nothing else fits the criteria but ours. So no other RV park would be permitted unless they went through the whole process like we're doing and bring it before the town before it could ever get ratified. So we're trying to prevent a
blanket zoning to allow more to occur. How long is sea road? How long is sea road? Yeah. Oh, that road five 5,000 ft something like that. I'm not exactly sure. I I was looking at the entirety of Seo um all
the way Sea Road stops at collecting canal. It doesn't No, it does continue. But um it it's not it's not continuous. My point for the whole thing was who came up with this cuz 18,000 ft give or take several hundred feet after that stops at North Road. There's properties
north of us that go into the West Lake that are not included in the 3M proximity. We can we can certainly unless I mismeasured it includes we can make it much smaller. The idea was to limit it so that nothing else could be done. That was that would the language a
big portion of our town with big land lots could potentially put in for something. That's not the intent. The idea is to limit it because you have to match all the other criteria. So we can change that. I have another question. They're going to get progressively different.
Um I know it's jumping ahead. the site plan. I have real problem with with non-exhaustive language being used, including but not limited to basically putting certain specific items in and then leaving other ones out that aren't
mentioned that could be put in later. So, I have a problem with any site plan that includes non-exhaustive language. It needs to be very specific on any site plan in any part portion of our town. And I know you can't cover everything, but it's very opened and there's a lot
of questions going around in the town. So, I just wanted to bring that up. Can you be I'm I'm not following you. I apologize. The language including but not limited to. It's non-exhaustive type language, which basically you list some specific items, but other items maybe
aren't mentioned or covered by the language, but they are included. They're just not listed. And I know it's impossible to do, but I think that's inappropriate language to use in a site plan, which should be very specific. Can you address just a something I noticed there? Let me see if my planner can
address your question. Have a few more. You're fine. You're fine. That's why you're here. Yeah, we can certainly address that. That's just language that is in added into the zoning code. um in the event
that there is something minor that changes that hasn't been thought about. That was language that we worked out between us and um and the planning consultant for the town. So, but I understand your point. I just wanted to bring that up. Okay. Now, need to bear
with me. I heard it said pay attention to detail. I'm a detail oriented person. So, bear with me. I will make a point, but I'm going to ask some timelines. I want to establish a timeline first. When did you bring this project
forward? It looks like September of 2019. Um, it doesn't have to be exactly right. That could be right, Cassie. I don't know. So, 2019. When did Caitlyn and our town 2019? No. 2020? No.
No. 18 months. We've made We found the property about 18 months ago. Well, I think we started discussions with the town probably four or five months after that. So, we're probably working on this. It doesn't have to be exacting. Let's just I'm giving a timeline for my
comment. About a year. So, about a year, which would be 2024. And when did our town start working on this? Because I know you were meeting with people prior to 2024. About that time. Okay. About about And you discussed a lot with the community.
You've changed a lot. You've I know you've taken in a lot of stuff, a lot more than a lot of developers have ever done. So, now we go forward to Is this a for-profit venture? Yes. Okay. It's not nonprofit. Goodness of
your heart. No, no, nothing. So, it is for-profit, correct? Okay. So, we got a timeline and it's for profit. and any of the addressing when you put up on the slides, you put up some of the conditions of approval slides and the things that you addressed in concerns, those have been addressed over the last
year as we learned about them through the neighborhood workshops. So, in the last year, 2023, 2024, and all the workshops that you've had. Yes, ma'am. Have you done anything in 20 days? In the last 20
days, we've had I think we've tried to codify a little bit more on the 500,000 and the liquidated damages for the placing the bond to make sure that we operate in accordance with the the guidelines that
we've set forth. Okay. Well, our legislature has been busy in less than 20 days and they have incentivized development for missing middle housing and they've created exclusionary language that nobody's addressed. Nobody knows how it's going to react. It hasn't
even been signed by the governor, but it has passed. And in that specific language, they put exclusions in for recreational activities, for rural recreation zoning designations, specifically golf courses. tennis
courts, swimming pools, but they explicitly excluded RV resorts or any other recreations, rural recreation, anything to do with RV resorts. That was explicitly excluded. So my concern is
they thought enough in this less than 20-day which is waiting to be signed by the governor to exclude golf courses which are recreational. And when you look in our zoning future land use, we include recreational facilities under
commercial low which is for profit. They also said in their updates and amendments that any land use irrespective of land land development regulations listed
category or title or zoning. They've excluded other things, but they left in RVs. That's not excluded. So, my concern is we're putting the cart before the horse. We have something out there that could p potentially have some type of drastic effect and create missing middle
housing within our community, which none of us want. And I would suggest or urge that our council and get some type of legal opinion if this actually gets signed by our attorney general to make sure that our town is protected from any
of these things because if the legislators excluded RV resorts, my question is why they they specifically name golf courses, swimming, tennis, things like that, but they excluded that. So that is my concern that happened in the last 20 days. Um I also
talked about we talked about um deed restrictions restrictive covenants all of those my understanding and it was very difficult because I had varying opinions and that's why it would be important to get one legal opinion
from the state legal person is those things would be null and void because everything would be pushed to the wording they used was basically all decisions were taken away from municipalities and they would
be administratively approved. So with this new language and the explicitly not excluding RV parks, RV recreation, that's a big concern for me and what I've read and the timeline.
It's not even been two weeks now. hasn't been signed yet, but I think we're jumping in trying to approve something when we have other stuff out there that may seriously impact it. And that was my concern. Um, madam, do you have any in input? No, that's a good point. So, I I
think um the the board member Succi might be referencing SB 1730, which is the amendments to the live local act. Um so that legislation which has passed the
legislature but has not yet been signed by the governor um updates the definitions of um what's considered to be commercial properties, what's considered to be residential, what's considered to be
industrial property. and it specifically in excludes from that definition um recreational areas like golf courses etc. Um so this application however is not
proceeding under the live local act at this time. They're proceeding under um the regular application process. So in terms of your analysis today, in terms of viewing the pending applications, I would say that that
language is not directly relevant. Um in terms of what types of restrictive covenants go into the actual um actually get recorded with respect to any any
um any approval and and how we make that a condition. we would have to sit down and work with again council for the developer to um craft conditions of approval that um align with state law
but I apologize I mean to inter yeah so to the extent they were going to be recording any document saying like we're this will never be used for affordable housing or something like that um that's the only time that that would be applicable um but there's nothing in
that bill that says that has any bearing on what you're deciding upon today in in in a sense of recommending approval for the project or not. Um where it would potentially impact would be with respect
to any restrictive covenants that they file because you don't want to file something that's going to be null and void under state law. But we're not there yet. Does that answer the question? Does this open the door for those
filings for the um restrictive covenants? And um again, as we keep talking about, we don't want to get us get in a situation where something's going to be stricken or something's going to be used for its a
purpose other than what was intended. Yeah. I I really I don't I don't think there's as much of a connection right now because basically the what the live local act is all about it says that certain kinds of development if a certain percentage of them are
affordable housing they can bypass this entire process. they can just um submit an application and it's got to be basically administratively reviewed and so the applicant is not traveling under
that statute. They are this is a regular application for development. So if the application if the application or the applicant was proceeding under the live local act that language and the legislative update would be directly on
point and directly relevant and it would be something that would be considered at the staff level not in front of you and now it could be there's some other legislation that that I'm not you know presently aware of but if I I'm aware
specifically of that um language in the amendment to the live local act specifically excluding rec recreational properties but again they're not traveling under that statute.
What about the um 16 um owner owned um RVs? Anything there? Um again not with respect to that with respect to SB1 1730 I don't think there is any overlap
there. Okay. You have um any other questions on that? Nick, may may I may I respond? Sure. Sure. Sure. Cassie, can you tell us what bill so we can do some homework on that so we know? 1730 was the amendment to the original bill.
1730. So to address, we've asked our legal council and the town's council to come up with a restriction that would that would um be above and not allow any of the workforce housing legislation to take
effect. We want to we want to put the town in charge of it, not the state. And that's what they're working on that language and cottifying something a restriction that would be in favor of the town to keep it from ever happening to keep the property rural
recreation and never allow affordable housing on it. That that's what we're trying to do in a legal fashion. My my point for bringing it up was I know they're not acting under it right now because it's only been less than 20 days and it still hasn't been signed by
the governor, but the exclusionary language over the multiple amendments. I think there were six amendments put forth excluded certain things because of litigation with the golf courses on the West Coast, things like that, but they explicitly left out RVs.
When I talked with people about the deed restrictions or restrictive covenants in the plants, I had a variation of opinions and all of which were might, will, maybe, nothing was it will
protect. Um, they all kept going back to uh the state statute superseding. And I know they're not doing it. I'm just putting it out there that I think maybe this might be premature based on something that if it is signed it's less than 20 days nobody knows and the fact
that it was specifically excluded that language and it says irrespective of the local land developments regulations listed category or title is concerning to me of whatever we call it whatever we call it RV rural
resort rural recreation recreational activity and the fact that we have recreational facilities listed in our commercial low land use map. So, you know, this may be a cart before the horse type thing. And that was my point of bringing it up and
asking the timeline. Um, you know, the developer has gone away and he's he's done a lot of surveys. He's changed a lot, but this just came up. And that's my concern that maybe we need to see before we make any final decision on anything that has any type
of overall effect on the whole community, you need to have some legal opinion from the state that would, you know, determine that is this the questions that we have, whatever questions we come up with or council comes up with. But I did want to bring it out there and I do understand what
you're saying and thank you for weighing in on that. Mr. McClendon also has a question. I was just going to ask him if it was on this particular subject, but you go ahead and then we can get to uh to Todd in reference of this new legislation
since the applicant has uh started his um um works and all investments. Uh would a reliance um Trump uh kind of equitable estopel that would
like a stop the the the the nonsigned uh new um bill and in in um support of the the what was being previously done.
So, the answer to that is it's probably too early to say. I would say um I think again we're looking at legislation that has not yet become effective because it's not signed by the governor. Um assuming he does sign it, its effective
date is July 1st of this year. um its application would be with respect potentially and I'm not even saying I've done this I've not personally sat and done this comparison in this analysis. So potentially it's it's application
might be um with respect to a condition of approval. Um, but it there's nothing in that statute even as amended that really would say that that you couldn't that
the applicant or that the town could not the applicant that would prevent the applicant from applying for what they've applied for or ultimately the town council from approving it. Correct. That's it. Todd. Todd.
Yes. Thank you. Um, it looked like Cassie was reading from a bunch of different notes and whatnot on the legislative changes. Um, is it possible to get a copy of those for the rest of the committee members to see that? We don't necessarily need to have it right now, but if it could be dissanimated,
you know, later on to us, um, that would be good. And I don't think it's fair to say to the applicant that there's possible changes in Tallahassee and maybe we shouldn't approve, we should wait because Tallahassee changes state law every single year. We've got to go by based on what it is today. If the governor hasn't signed it, it's not law
yet. He can veto it. So, I don't think it would be appropriate to deny somebody based on potential changes because there's always potential changes moving forward. Thank you. Any other questions? Any other comments from the town?
None at this time. that. So, Madam Chair, if if uh if it's the pleasure of the board to begin making motions, I can um read each title individually and then a motion can be
made or you can discuss whatever whatever you think is appropriate. Um Todd, would you like to make the motions as they're read? No, I'll defer to somebody that's there in the room. Thank you. Is there anyone that would like to take
that on? No. Okay. So, my motion would just be to vote for it to approve or deny. Technically speaking, and I'm sorry, I don't know what's wrong with my throat. Technically speaking, the chair can't make a motion, right? The motion would be to approve or deny. Correct. So the
the in theory the motion would be to to either approve or deny the item and you would just whoever makes a motion would include the ordinance number or resolution number associated with the title that's as it's read which we have
in front of us. So with that information would someone be willing to make motions? I would like to make the motion to approve ordinance number 25 202503 and and madam chair that title was read at the start of the meeting. I'll read
the title for the others the other items as we go. So there is a motion and then you would need a second. Motion made by Mr. Santana. Is there a second? Is there a second? Doesn't appear to be a second.
Okay. So, without a second, that that motion fails for lack of a second. Um, so you make a motion. Um, I make a motion to deny 202503. I second the motion. Can I second a motion? Madam
chair, you cannot. I withdraw my second of the motion. We're about the rules to also been is that are you going to second the motion board member Santiago motion to deny
approval. Do you second that motion? Yes sir. Okay. Sorry I couldn't hear. Committ member Clifton. There was a motion to deny. There was a motion and second. So are you are you pulling for a vote? Are we Yeah, I was
going to do the roll call. Okay. Oh, so I deny or I adopt the denial. A yay would be denying it. Yay. Okay. Mr. Santana? Nay. Mr. Santiago?
Mr. Sushi? Yay. Mr. McClendon? Yes. That motion passes 4 to one. Madame Attorney, would you like to explain the implications of um the vote for the first amendment as it relates to the other items before the board? Um
yes. So item 20 is was um you had a successful motion to deny the amendment to the comprehensive plan creating a new land use category. um everything else um items 21, 22, 23,
and 24 flow from that. So, um we are still going to go through and ask you to vote on each item individually, but just so that you know, um with the no vote on item 20, if you were to vote to
recommend approval as to the other items, that would be inconsistent. Does everyone understand that? Are there any questions? We are. We understand and we're prepared to move forward. Um Todd, your hand's not up, so I will accept that you're
also um ready to move forward. So the I'll go ahead and read the title into the record for item 21. Um, ordinance number 202504, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Laxah Hatchi Groves, Florida, amending the future land use map designation of approximately 47 plus
or minus acres of property generally located east of Sea Road and north of Southern Boulevard from rural residential 5 to rural recreation providing for conflict severability and an effective date. So I vote. So, I think we still need a
motion on a second on 202504. Is there a motion to deny or is there a motion to approve 2025? Is there a second? I second it. Committee Chair Clifton. Um, yes.
Mr. Sant Santana, no. Uh, Mr. Santiago? No, Miss Si. No, I'm sorry. Okay. I think Yeah. So, yay was a for denial. Motion to deny.
Mhm. Okay. Yes. Is to deny because that was the motion. Yes. Mr. Santiago, was that a yes for you as well? Yes. Mr. McClendon? Yes. That motion passes four to zero. I mean four to one, excuse me.
So the the next item is item number 22 um ordinance number 2025 an ordinance of the town council of the town of Lockxahhatche groves Florida amending the text of the unified land development code to establish a new zoning category rural RV resort and to
amend the following portions of the adopted unified land development code to provide site and development standards specific to the rural RV resort zoning category. and and RV park use. Article 10, definitions, abbreviations and
construction of terms. Article 35, parks and recreation zoning district. Article 85, landscaping. Article 90 signs. Article 95 parking and loading providing for conflict severability and an effective date. Is there a
motion by the board? Uh, I make a motion to deny. What? What number are we on? 22. 22. 20. 22. 255. Oh, 2025. Is there a second on the motion to deny? Yes. You may. Is yours a
second? Yes. Do you need to specifically say second? Committee member Clifton? Yes. Committee member Santana? No. Committee member Santiago? Yes. Committee member Succi? Yes. Committee member McClendon. Yes.
That motion passes 4 to one. Um, the next item is agenda item 23, consideration of recommendation to approve ordinance number 202506, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Luxa Gross, Florida, amending the zoning designation of approximately 47 plus or minus acres of
property generally located east of Sea Road and north of Southern Boulevard from agricultural residential to rural RV resort, providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. Um, Madame Chair, this item uh when it if and when it does when it does in fact um
go to town council will be a quasi judicial matter. Um, as an advisory board, it it might be helpful um if the board were to mention or discuss some issues in terms of why you're recommending denial. And the same
follows for item number 24, which is which is the site plan, which will also be quasi judicial um when it gets to the council level. Um so I'm putting that out there. Um and you have item 23 read into the
record. I will turn it over to the board. Is there a motion for ordinance number 2025-06? I didn't understand what she said. We have to because on this one we're voting on both the LPA and the PNZ. So we're
voting in two capacities. One is um as as Madame attorney said as in a a quasi judicial capacity, meaning um we're we're advising them. Well, the it will be quasi judicial when it gets to council. I'm sorry to cut you off, Madam
Chair. Okay. I'm just saying it it might it might it will put some information on the record because you're an advisory board. It might be helpful to council because it's creating law or is that
maybe you should take this. I'm sorry. No, by all means. So, it it's it's completely up to you whether or not you want to have any discussions or deliberations about what you're saying at this point in time. I'm just noting for you that when it gets to council, it
will be quasi judicial. So, I'm just putting it out there. Um, so we're making a motion with the explanation or just making a motion. Well, we still have to make a motion. We still have to make a motion, but if you want to have discussion or put anything on the record, now is your time to do it. I mean, can we just adopt what um some of
the questions and concerns that were previously stated by council? Yes. So this would just be your formal recommendation 202506 and then is there a secondation or not at this point? Is there a second?
Committee member Clifton. Let me let me ask for clarification, please. So um after our vote, are we able to then give the recommendations or the basis for why? Okay. You certainly and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I keep cutting you off, Madam Chair. That's okay. You
can certainly um you're free to speak and put anything that you want on the record. By you, you mean the board? Yes. Okay. Thank you. You collectively. Thank you. Um I vote yes. Committee member Santana. I vote no. Santiago? Yes.
Suchi? Yes. Mr. McClendon? Yes. That motion passes 4 to one. Um would anyone on the board like to put some recommendations as to um support the uh I'm sorry as um and to advise the
council um as to why they should um adopt the denial of ordinance number 2025-06. You want to tell them why that you think that they shouldn't pass that? Oh, why? what we what our reasoning is
or whatever. Yes. Oh, okay. I mean, my rationale is we already have we have a future land use map. Recreational facilities are addressed already in there. Um, and there was discussion in the past about having
additional things like recreational, RV, things like that. But since it's already in the commercial law, I don't think we need to have a separate land use category. That's my rationale. Um, Mr. Santana, would you like to put anything on the record? I feel that the impact
on not preserving the status quo is uh minimum to the the the contrast of all the benefits in taxes uh uh creating a um rural personality. I do believe the
RV um park brings uh uh field recreation in whoever is using it. It doesn't sound like a hotel. That's something that I would if I live in New York, I would say let's get an RV and go to Rockstar
Groves to enjoy the field. And so that's the reason that I deny putting in a in a balance of the impact negative and positive. I would always uh vote for. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Santiago.
I just think there's a lot of concerns um with the rural RV project right now. I'm trying to understand also the residents and what impact Laxah Hatchee grows. I think there's a lot of changes that need to be made before I can agree with you guys. Uh there's a lot of
language that needs to be changed and also the residents, you know, they have a lot of concerns with the CEO that are not addressed particular to them right now. So that's why I deny. Okay. So that would be your
your rec recommendation to the board. Okay. And then um Mr. McClennon, did you want to add anything? Yeah. Um I have a couple things positive and negative uh for the applicant. I mean, the applicant bent over backwards more than any This is I'm sorry, Todd. I'm sorry to interrupt. This is not for
the applicant. This is for the commission. Is that right? Or for I just want to make it clear in my mindset that I've never seen an applicant um do as much as they have bent over backwards to satisfy the community.
Um my concern about the $500,000 I made clear earlier that I do believe it could get clawed back even if they do um come forward and want to give that to the town. If that could be addressed and worked out that would be good. Um I'm concerned about the local live
um issues that might come up in the future and if that could be worked out with the town that might change my decision on this. Um, it's interesting that the finance committee denied it based on the financial feasibility of the site when that's not something we
should be looking at. We've never asked Publix to tell us how many prescriptions they filled at Publix and how profitable they were. Um, I think it was completely inappropriate for them to to discuss that. And I think the applicant made it worse by bringing that information to us tonight. Um, that that shouldn't play a
role in this at all. Um, and I also find it interesting that a lot of people that are against this RV park have trashy RVs in their backyard. Um, so yeah, I mean I can go, you know, I I see the applicant and, you know, like I said, they they
did a lot for the town and tried to do a lot for the town and I commend them on that and I think the council needs to address all those things that I discussed. Thank you. Uh and and I just to add from from my perspective, my concerns are um related
to the impact on the local roads, the size of the vehicles that would come. Um because we do live here, we know um a lot of the traffic patterns. If someone comes in on Southern, that's different. Um if someone comes in on Okobee, it's always going to be a um I shouldn't
speak in absolutes. It's mo a lot of times going to be um on a letter road. um and the width of of that with the canal side. There's already with horse trailers and all of that um concerns um be you know there's all kinds of cars in
the in the um canals all the time. Um and then if you're coming through on seaw road it would be a concern or I'm sorry on southern coming in um and turning right in there without a turning lane which is what was represented. Um
that I think is um a significant issue on Southern. It would absolutely um disrupt the flow of traffic on Southern um or and create uh a lengthy backup there, especially um in what we're
looking for or if we're talking about event dates um then you know the the entry and exit is going to be pretty similar with some exceptions of course. people that want to stay for a delayed period of time, things like that. But if someone's coming for the event, for the
equestrian event, which I know is what we're talking about, um because you referred to season versus not season, things like that. Um so that is my concern. Also the impact on the
um the any emergency plans or town um assistance for any evacuation plans, any catastrophic events that occurred. Certainly there has been one um several but re most recently we had um a tornado
that went literally straight through there. What would the evacuation plans be? Is that something that is there? And as always there is change. Um and I you know that is inevitable. Um are we the
way this is written even though we have the reason why we're reszoning is because it didn't fit into the plan the the the plan of the town. Although you it's a beautiful property and there's a lot of things that were done to try and make it fit in. it couldn't fit into the
existing um codes and and it couldn't comply with what the everyone had written to get to this point. So in order to get around that then it's trying you're presenting a reasonzoning of that for those reasons I think that it should be denied. I
would recommend that it be denied and we need a motion for we're on item 24 which is 19e Um, we need a motion. Is there a motion
for resolution number 2025-33? Did you want me to go ahead and read that? Oh, I apologize, madam. See, now I'm cutting you off. No. Um, okay. So, resolution number 2025-33, a resolution of the town council of the town of Wax Hatchic Groves, Florida, uh, granting
site plan approval for approximately 47 plus or minus acres of property generally located east of Sea Road and north of Southern Boulevard to be developed as a recreational vehicle resort, including a maximum of 272 RV sites, 16 parkowned unit sites, and associated support facilities,
structures, and uses, including but not limited to two club houses, a welcome center, paddic building, activity center, command and boat house building and maintenance building providing for conflict severability and an effective date. Is there a motion regarding resolution number 2025-33?
Make a motion to deny 20. Is there a second? 33. Thank you. Sorry. Is there a deny? That was a second for the motion. Okay. Motion made and properly seconded.
Miss Clifton, yes. Mr. Santana, no. Mr. Santiago, yes. Miss Suchi, yes. Mr. McLendon, yes. That motion passes 4 to one. Ordinance number
2025-07. Can we read that into the record, please? Yes, ma'am. Uh consideration of recommendation to approve ordinance 202507. This is agenda item 25. An ordinance of the town council of the town of Waha Hatchi Gross, Florida, amending section
20-040 height of article 20 residential zoning district section 25 um-045 height of article 25 commercial zoning district section 30-050 height of article 30 institutional and public facility facility zoning district
section 35-040 height and of article 35 parks and recreation zoning district and section 40-045 five height of article 40 conservation district within part two zoning districts of the unified land
development code to provide additional standards for the measurement of height providing for conflict sever severability modification and an effective date. Thank you madam attorney. Uh madam chair if I may I have a brief presentation uh on the ordinance just to give you a
little bit of background. Okay. So, this was an item that came at the request of the town to clarify um some of the measurements as it relates to height um in particular as it related to a amendment to the definition of how height is measured um within the last
few years. And there was a clarification made um at planning and zoning board and town council several months back that the intent or the desire uh was to limit all structures to no more than two stories um across the town across all
zoning districts. So that's why you'll see in this ordinance all zoning districts are affected to include the limitation of no more than two stories. And this comes into question because you'll see some of the districts allow for up to 35 ft in height. And from a
construction feasibility perspective, within 35 ft, you can um achieve three stories within the 35 ft using an average of a a 10-ft ceiling height. Right? So with the additional clarification, the lesser of the two values being lesser of two stories or
the dimensional standard that's provided for um in the zoning district would control. So that would preclude the future potential for a three-story building to be achieved in any of the districts. Um if you were to propose a building that was three stories within
35 ft, um that would no longer be available because the lesser of the 35 ft and two stories control. So the twotory limitation would control even within 35 ft. So the dimensional standard remains the same um for all districts, but there is a clarification
that no more than two stories can be built. So there would be no more opportunity for three-story uh structures in any of the districts. So that was just a a matter of clarification that was requested from the town. And so it's really a cleanup ordinance to just um implement that
language restricting all structures to one or two stories. Does anyone have any questions on that? So this is not specific to the RV park. No, this is separate. This is Yeah, just as as it exists currently, as Caitlyn was just
saying, it's limited to two um stories. And so this is a clarification or a cleanup you say to say that there can be some. So currently there's no limitation on the number of levels or stories in the code. It's just dimensional. So it's
um for example the commercial district will say a maximum of 35 ft. So within 35 ft a developer could easily fit three stories especially with a flat roof because you could have 10t ceilings you get 3 * 10 30 ft pretty easy to do. The
town um recently requested in the last several months that we clarify that even though you presumably could achieve three stories within the 35 feet from a feasibility perspective that the intent was not to allow for three stories even though um the dimensional standard will
stay at 35 ft. The maximum would be two stories within whatever the value is um or the dimension is within that zoning district. And the dimensional values change throughout the zoning districts, but the the tallest height from a dimensional perspective is 35
ft. So it would preclude any future three-story buildings in any of the districts. And that was just a point of clarification that was requested from the town. Any of the districts. That's correct. We we amended each district um within the town to add the same language
to say the lesser of the dimensional standard or the number of stories. question. So, we've recently seen a building go up and heard complaints at meetings. Um, I think the building is on Southern Boulevard. We all drive past
it. It's like 34 ft, 33 ft. It's one story, but it's a massive 33 ft. And I don't I I would suggest I I don't know if that's our job today or make it recommendation to council. When this was originally done, I don't think anybody
anticipated a huge one-story facade of a building that's 34 feet. There's no breakage in it. There's nothing that shows it, anything. And it's an eyesore. Everybody said it. We've been listening to it and I know we've all driven past it. So, can we make recommendations or
what are we doing? Cuz I I I would like to see some type of language in here that addresses that. And I don't think when it was originally done, none of us conceived ever conceived somebody doing a one-story building at 34 feet with the straight facade going up with no break.
So maybe putting some mandatory language that no can't exceed 35 ft, but there has to be some type of break that shows so it doesn't look like one big wall. Yeah. So I think does that make sense what I'm Yeah, I understand exactly what you're saying from an urban design
perspective. Urban and Moxahhatchee don't really go together. My background is in urban design, so I understand your your design theory. Um, I think that that's definitely a point well taken. I know the town is working through its uh rural vista design guidelines. I think that would be a great opportunity to clarify some of the massing um
requirements and the design elements to help break up that facade. And then as a matter of this ordinance, I think the town council was hopeful that we could get this in place so that it's effective. And then I think some of your design suggestions are a point well taken for staff to consider as part of a future amendment.
And one go ahead. Did you go? No. Go ahead. One more question. So it looks like this just covers the flat roof line and no parapits or anything above the flat roof line. That's extra feet added
on. So we're not affecting the actual definition or the measurements for how a building is measured for height um purposes. We're just clarifying that uh the twotory limitation is added for all districts. So the existing definition and method for measurement remains the
same. So there are some exceptions for parapits to exceed the maximum height allowance in the code. I think up to four or five feet off the top of my head. Um but there are some limitations as to how how much higher a parapit can be. So those recommendations the solid wall and the parapit those can come
later. This is just clarifying two stories no more than two stories which was what the council wanted. Correct. And then like I said, I think you had a a point well taken. I think staff will take that into advisement and consideration, especially through some of the processes that it's going through um for the Southern Boulevard visioning
and the Royal Vista design guideline updates that I know that staff is working on. So, can you can we just adopt those statements for the recommendation after the vote? Is that okay? We don't have to put that back on the record, right? Go ahead.
Sorry. No, you're fine. I was just trying to cut through that. No, I I I think I think that's fine. I think that's fine. Okay. Um, so is there a motion?
Move. Do we have a second? A second. Just what are we approving? The twostory only on the heights. What are we approving? You got to say what we're approving. The twotory limit.
The ordinance has read 2025-07. Yep. 20257. Yep. So, just for clarification, that was a motion to um the consideration of recommendation to approve ordinance number 2025-07. And that motion was made by
committee member Santiago and seconded by committee member Cassie Succi. Committee member Clifton. Yes. Committee member Santana. Yes. Committee member Santiago. Yes. Committee member Suchi. Yes. We made one. Mr. McClendon.
Wait. What? What did Todd say? Mr. McClendon. So yeah, I had a comment regarding this. Um the issue with the community is the height of the building. Who cares if it's 30 30 feet and they put five floors in that 30 feet if the issue is the height? But I do understand the council
wanted this and that's fine. Um I I'll I'll go with it, but I don't quite understand why we care how many floors they put in it. If the height if the height is the issue, that's what they should be concerned about. But yes, my vote is a yes. Thank you. Thank you. That motion passes five to
zero. Um, and uh then the next item on the agenda is committee member comments. Are there Oh, is that where they I was supposed to do comments? Yeah. Um, Cassie, we're going to adopt your
your concerns and comments. Do we need that here? We don't need a just for general comments. Does Todd have a comment, too? Does that is that part of it, too? Um, sure. if there's committee members comments but it's been passed so at some point they
might want to come back and and okay listen to design comments I I think consensus is sufficient okay yep okay all righty no additional com any additional comments for the by the
committee none okay uh the next meeting if you look at the um if you look at the paper that I handed out to the committee um it's from our community standards director Miss Karen and Gardner Young with the dates for our upcoming for the committee the planning and zoning board
meeting dates for the rest of the year actually into March of 2026. Um our next meeting is supposed to be Tuesday, June 17, 2025 if in the event we need to have a meeting. Most of these dates are just tenative based on
communication from our town planner or staff. And just as a point of clarification, um, internally from our office, we don't have any items scheduled at this time. I'm not sure if anyone else at the town has any items for your consideration at the June meeting, but our office does not. And
just as of right now, these calendar um these have been sent to you all as calendar meeting invites, but as they are canled and based on direction tonight, we'll cancel that. So, it'll show up on your calendars as can. Miss Gardener Young, did you want to add anything? No, I just wanted to make sure
that you all knew what was coming up. I would like to have my calendar so I know that that night I got to make sure I'm here. I also put it out because you may have vacations coming up or there might be, you know, uh during December sometimes boards don't like to be or
summer breaks they don't like to meet. So, I just wanted this is our our schedule. You're supposed to be every month at this particular Tuesday. So again, I wanted to hand it out so you can put in your personal calendars, but also take a look at it. If there's any of these meeting dates that you think
you don't want to meet on that, again, I will follow up with what Caitlyn said and what Sammy said. These do not meet mean that we will actually have a meeting on that date. It's only if there are petitions that are available in order for us to have it. Thank you. One
question. when when you these are tentative. So if you're going to cancel it, we we're going to consider them to be tentative, but you will cancel, will there be some amount of time you let us know or make? Yes. So um pretty much a month in advance is when we do our meeting confirmations. So as of tonight,
um we know that more than likely we won't have a June 17th meeting. So accordingly, I'll follow up with staff and if we don't have any items, we will cancel the June 17th meeting and provide you guys with that uh via email. I'll be out of town July 15th,
but we don't need all. I'll be in Jackson, but I can appear virtually. So, that's we'll keep the committee ab breast. And if there's no further comments by the committee, you should have told me in advance. Yeah, you get to do that.
You would ask for a motion to adjurnn. Um, is there a motion to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjurnn. Is there a second? I will second. I think that would be unanimous, too. Ajourned. Thank you. That was nice to
meet you. Sit next to you. Very good job, Madam Chairman. Thank you. Thank you. Good job. Yes. Mr. Santiago. thinking about you know they shut the door you
don't want to forget them so funny like you know all of these procedurally you're like I think the presentation normal and I don't think that's like a normal I'm not sure
yeah so when it's a true cause they need to go on the record to answer questions to all. Well, because nobody can. Okay, I got you. Just so you know. Byebye. Good night.