Okay. Calling the uh meeting for February 19th, 2026. Uh come to order. We'll go ahead and do pledge of allegiance. Who would like to lead us off on that?
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Roll call. >> Frank Shyola,
>> present. >> Darcy Dean Murray, she may appear via Zoom, but she's currently not present. Katie Lakeman, >> present. >> Ashley Bruce, public works superintendent. Craig Lawauer, >> right?
>> And I am sub subbing in for Gabriella Crosdale. I'm Anna. Everybody else is here. >> Okay. We have a quorum. So, um, any additions, deletions, andor modifications to the agenda. >> Yes, Miss Gabby would like us to pull
the minutes so she can edit them. So, she had to do some edits to it. There was addit, deletions for the minutes. We want to approve the minutes for this meeting or last meeting at this meeting, right? >> Yes. >> Everybody good with that? >> Yeah. >> I think we need a motion to pull the Do
I have a motion? >> Sure. I make a motion to pull the minutes from last meeting for corrections. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Do I have a second? Hey, there she is. Oh, she's frozen. If you can hear me, I
think I'm driving. If you can hear me. >> Yep, we can hear you. >> Okay. Sorry. I'm >> based on Craig's representation. Um, I second that.
>> Okay. A motion second. Any discussions? Uh I I just um there were some discussions at the end of uh the meeting last week about adding certain things to the um I guess the agenda is >> Yes, I have them.
>> Okay. Okay. >> I just I was going to add them in the next meeting because this one right here was a pretty big deal for you guys. >> Okay. >> This was going to be a length kind of a lengthy deal for you guys to go through. >> That's that's fine as long as we're going to be >> Yeah. And I haven't got replies back from other people as well. Sorry.
>> Thank you. >> I don't know if it's already on there or not, but I would like an update on the North Road Trail, >> the footing on the side of it or however we're fixing it. >> Thank you. >> Excuse me. >> Okay. So, we have a motion and a second
to uh pull the approval of last month's meeting. All in favor? >> I. All oppose. Motion carries. Three to zero. Uh no approval of the minutes. So, uh, agenda item number one, um, oh, hold
on. Then we have no public comments, right? Nobody here. Great. Number two, agenda, regular agenda, horse multi-use trail line of sight review. Craig, do you want to start us off with that? >> Yes, sir.
>> All right. So, one of the other committees decided they were going to pump this over to you guys. Yeah. >> They wanted your um review on it. >> Is the attachments in there? Yeah. >> And which committee was this?
>> Yeah. The LDC wanted to point it to you guys because it is has to do with horse trails. Um it it has to go up with the U line of sights. So they want to know what is your what is your recommendations? So I
report back to them or actually report back to their committee member. uh way less on on how far would you like the trail line of sights to be that's coming off of people's driveways off of roads. So the main thing is is for the horse trail say
going down F road they're coming up to a driveway are we going to say hey homeowner you need to have a line of sight for us a sight triangle on your property to the horse trail or for the roadways for the horse trail as well.
So there's in general say 12th down here. Well 12th has got a pretty big one. You you can see pretty ways on it. But there's that one little corner down there that's tight right at 12th and F where we just put the the big 60 ft
pipe. All right. That one to the north it when you're coming down the trail this way, you can't see the road coming across. Like you can't see traffic coming on your right. >> Right. This was one of the things they wanted to know is do you want to imply this or how would you like to imply because
you guys are recak you guys the horse trail is on you guys >> Ashley thoughts >> yeah I have some thoughts um so let me just make sure I understand so like just for example I'm I'm riding down Marcella because that's where that's where I live and I'm approaching Fro um and and I
have to go on to F-road with my horse there's one property where I can't I can't see around. I have to actually kind of go into the street. >> So that line of sight will come off of the actual roadway line of sight. That's the 2525 on the back sheet. >> Okay. >> So that would be the roadway line of
sights. >> So okay, >> their view is saying Fro Trail alongside a canal. >> Fro Trail. >> So you're on the trail, you're coming up to >> res >> a residence or a roadway. I want to say this one mainly pursues to a roadway.
>> Okay. When you're coming up to the roadway, are you wanting a sight triangle off that property line? >> It would be nice. >> Council has put sight triangles on a hold right now for the code for code enforcement to not imply them yet. They
want to that's what this has come up to is that they want to re re-evaluate this on how they're actually going to pursue it. Um, horse trail one is starting to come up because we're trying to push the horse trails more. We're trying to connect them. Like I said, you're going
down F- road. You're coming up to Well, Kerry's pretty carry open all ways. So, when you get to that crossing, that roadway because you have the carry lane itself right along side of it. But if you actually came up to like prime example is 12,
>> you're riding south. >> 12th crosses right there at the big bridge. That property line comes close to the road right there. You know which one I'm talking about? I don't >> I'm trying to >> Do you know the big 60 foot pipe that we just put in? The big one?
>> The one where the homeowner requested additional space? >> The where the homeowner requested the additional space off the effort. Okay. >> Yep. If you're coming right there and you're coming north, I mean you're coming south. >> Okay. >> And you come up to it, >> their fence line comes here and there's a sharp turn and the road is right there
next to it. >> Okay. >> So when you come out, you can't unless the horse sticks his head out. Mhm. >> The horse is going to be sticking his head out in the lane of traffic before you visually can see because you're sitting back >> four feet from the horse's head.
>> That's one of the things they want to see is like >> for sure. >> How big of it is I'm not quite sure. But >> yeah, they definitely need something. >> Yeah, they're projecting a 10 foot line of sight. So it' come back 10t from edge of road. So that would give you able to
see 10, you know, at least 10 foot by 10 foot. >> You definitely need that. If there's um places I do ride, and then I'm going in Ashley's time. I'm sorry. Okay. Is by Darcy's. You know that corner there? >> Right on her corner where there's banana
trees. Yes, ma'am. Like, oh my goodness. >> Mhm. >> Every time I go to her house, I'm like, >> that's north road and >> that's the north south and north and e. Yes. >> Yeah. They call it's the north south road e road. >> Yeah, that's what >> it's actually called the south north.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Or lower north I think they refer to it too. >> Yeah. If you go on the actual plot map, it's called the the south. >> I knew it was something funny like that. >> Plot map. That's what they labeled a long time ago. >> It's places like that. I mean that's
that's not just dangerous for the horse. That's dangerous for the vehicle. >> Mhm. So that would go into the actual main site triangle here where the code would go out and they're going to they're going to push, hey, from this intersection there has to be a 25 foot radius. >> Huh?
>> That's that's I was wondering like >> a 25 ft is the regular roadway uh line of sight and then there's I think it's a 30 inch height of anything around within that area has to be under 30 inches tall. You're talking about where road meets road then, right?
>> That that road meets road is 25 feet. Okay. >> The one that they showed here that they projected would be a 10T by 10T. >> Now, this one that you were speaking with Ashley about, where's the trail? That's a trail in a road. >> Yes, ma'am. Where a trail would be a roadway,
>> but 10 I think 10's adequate. >> I was thinking the 10 would because then your horse is not out in the roadway and it kind of going to give you somewhat you can see a car coming, >> right? And you're also up higher so it kind of helps with that as it as it is.
Darcy, do you have anything you want to add to the the discussion? >> No, I'm just listening intentively. >> Yeah, I mean the biggest thing that that they want is they wanted your input. Like what do you guys your input on it?
>> Yeah, >> I think 10 is good. I think Katie pointing out that road in general, uh, E road and and north is a prime example of where we would need that. you know, for for me, you know, when it comes to a roadway to roadway
intersection, >> uh whether it's a a private road or a a town road, uh yeah, they it needs to have plenty of room so that not only the people on horses can see so that the people in the vehicles can see, you know, the horses and and pedestrians and
people on bicycles, but when it comes to they're t there was another thing in here where they're talking about driveways. Yeah. where they're talking about everybody has to have their driveways. I I have to draw the line there because um you know it's uh not everybody has horses on their property. So why does everyone's driveway need to
be >> need to come back that far, you know, and I I I think they're they're overstepping it when it comes to driveways. Start off with anything where trails come out to or road to road or whatever and and and go from there. I
mean, you know, somebody there's people out there that have their fences right up on the road and that's got to be addressed another way. But, you know, that's, you know, way too close. But, um, to ask everybody that has a driveway, whether they have a horse or not, to say, "Well, you now you have to take down your fence. You have to you
have to move your gates back. You have to do all this stuff." And, you know, for for what is this like a safe haven? Is that what you're saying? Is every drive driveway is a safe haven for for horses and pedestrians and stuff like that? But I would say it wouldn't just be horses. Correct.
>> The driveway one is a driveway approaching. So when you see the 10-ft driveway here, that is a driveway approaching a roadway. >> Okay. >> So that's saying a homeowner's driveways. For me, it's if you can't get out of your own driveway and you're having a problem with it, I think you need to cut your own tree down, >> right?
>> So you can see out your own property. >> I mean, where I'm at, I have no problem with that. It's open >> on both ways and everything and all that. But >> can I ask a question about the mirror situation? I've got to be the only person in the world that can't. I mean, I can figure them out, but like I don't
think that that's an answer. Like, I don't think you can put a mirror up and be like, "Okay, you can see now." >> No, that's >> Is that what you're trying to No, the mirrors are at the request of pretty much the properties owners on those roadways. That's the only We're not saying the mirrors are the answers,
>> but they won't be in lie of clearing the bushes. >> No, >> like you can't say, "Okay, I have a mirror and that's good." Okay. I think that's right. >> A side triangle is putting a mirror up does not obsolete a sight triangle at all. >> Great. Thank you >> 100%. >> Sometimes you're just >> a mirror is just an extra to try to get
you to be able to see further down the roadway past the sight triangle. >> Question about the mirrors >> while we're on the subject. >> No, go ahead. >> Um are there ones that are missing? Have they been replaced
on like North and G and E and North? >> Yeah, I just ordered more. As we put them up, they come up missing. >> And when I buy the unbreakable ones, too, >> so they can't be broken and they take them off. I don't know if they take them
at their own houses >> doing all this. >> It's a little hard. >> Some of your hunting cameras out there, Craig. Can you can you get like an air tag and put them on there so that way when they are when they disappear they can be tracked? >> The problem with air tags are is an air
tag you put it like you put in the water bottle, Ashley can turn her phone on and she'll know that there's an Air Tag on that water bottle. It'll it'll signal saying there's one there. >> Well, they actually have have devices you can actually put on there that are you have to pay for the service. Yeah. >> But if we're spending a lot of money
constantly doing this, it might be worth it to do that. And that's a, you know, that's an arrestable offense. You know, stealing town property. >> Yes, it is. Stealing street signs this way. >> I mean, people put them on their mowers and stuff like that. So, if their mowers get stolen, they the police know
exactly. All they do is they call the the company, they give them the thing, the mower that was stolen, and they say, "Okay, it's at this address right here right now." And then they go there and sure enough, there it is. >> Understood? Majority of the time it's we're coming
up to super smashed everything and it's kids. We were all kids. We did it. Look at that. >> Um, one of the one of the questions was is >> no problem. >> Oh, she's taking directions. >> Oh,
>> yeah. Hang on one sec. >> I think that was Siri's back. >> Okay. Sorry. right turn. Now, >> um I know one of the things was is if you see that it does say like a 30
inches, is that 30 inch height? I mean, I know horses up pretty high in the air. Does that affect you or >> I think 30 inches is fine. >> 30 inches is like two and a half feet. >> Yeah, that's like this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't have a problem with 30 in. >> Yeah, that's fine. I think it's I think
that the drivers need to be able to see too around. So, not just like if you're on a horse high up >> uh when you're driving the car. So, I think 30 is probably >> I drive a Camaro when I think it's definitely over 30 >> because I can't eat a sub and drive. >> I can't even get in a Camaro.
>> That's my son. Why are you buying that? You're going to be able to drive it. >> Exactly. >> I've had it for 10 years. It's fine. >> That's the reason why he bought it. He can't drive it. So pretty much as they have it on the the OLC has it on their um agenda item
memorandum everything is good on there. >> This is one of the things that they asked you know I want to bring it back to them. I mean 10 feet is is a question for you guys. If you wanted it 15 feet we can you know recommend 15. Um they just wanted recommendations on it.
>> I'll yield to the board because I'm I don't ride horses. I know that Ashley does. I know that pay does and you know so you guys I'll yield to you guys whatever you think is is um is appropriate. I think you know having my personal
opinion is having having one thing is is nice but having a little bit more is a little bit nicer. >> Yeah. >> How is it? without being without it becoming overburdened where you're talking about 30 feet 40 feet 50 feet
then it becomes burden 10 feet is fair everybody >> I think 10 too I because I mean when I'm riding I tend to like lean forward to see especially when I'm coming from Marcela onto F road like I just because I just did it yesterday I lean forward anyway to to look around the bushes
there so I think tenn is tennis >> and I was super glad to hear that the mirror doesn't like take the place of it >> no it does not it just doesn't always work. >> Darcy, what do you what do you think about um do you think 10 feet is sufficient or do you think it needs to be more?
>> Um I think 1012 is be would be good, but I'd have to I need a visual. I have to see what 10 feet 10 feet from the ground is what we're saying. >> So it would be a 10 foot >> 10t back >> 10 feet back from the edge of a road >> from only a private road. taller the
road road but >> yeah it would be from a road like where a trail would meet a roadway >> because I don't think I mean I think it's a little >> but if it's two road >> it's yeah two roads are connecting 25 that's it >> I crossed I did that loop I said I was
going to and came here and went down the all the trails >> and where you cross over by the bridge that's the only problem I had was coming out on citrus to make the left >> okay yeah so if you look at a vic easy prime example is right down by the um where you turn right to go like Vince Rama's property. >> Mhm.
>> You see how that fence has got a big cut back in it? That's the 25 ft cut back. The setback already. >> Okay. >> So, that was their sight triangle for that area. >> That's Oak Tree Farm, I think. >> Yeah. Right here on the corner. Yeah. Do we know like And it's another hard thing to see. Even though that big triangle is
there, their fence comes all the way out on the edge of road, but that's where their property line is. That's where the easement line stops. >> Do we need to vote on this or is this just recommendations? these are their recommendations on it that I can get back to their liaison and you know and say hey this is what they said they're
good with this >> so I think the trails obviously the 10 ft the street we think 25 ft >> 33 in in height >> yeah 30 in the first one the driveway what Frank was saying is I don't know
that we we approve of that the driveway first >> yeah for individual driveways I mean I would have a I'd have a problem with telling going to each individual homeowner saying, "Hey, you got to go and cut it back. You got to move your your gates back, your post. If you have electric gates, you got to move those back." I mean, it it's a you know, I
don't want to make it a burden to the individual property owners to where they're all of a sudden now they they could be spending $4 or $5,000 to to, you know, set the stuff back. >> Yeah. I think the only some of the the only other issues that they're having is
where some property owners have a ingress and egress easement to another one and where they're have some of them are having a hard time getting out because there's no maintenance on it. Um but that still goes back to a private property deal. That's a civil suit. It doesn't have to
go civily. >> Yeah. the town needs to to do as um to stay out of of as much of the minutia as they can >> because they have their own stuff to deal with. They don't want to start telling private property owners, you got to move all this stuff back and you're
going to you're going to wind up with, you know, people that are going to say, "Take me to court, sue me." And you know, something that could be very simple gets blown out to, you know, years later, we're still talking about it. >> Yep. you know. So, yeah, I think where road meets roads, where trails meet
roads, things like that is definitely something that that needs to be done. Um, I know on the corner of Marcella and and Fro that the one landowner, he had to move his he was told he had to plant his bushes further back to comply with the setbacks that were the triangle
setbacks for that intersection back then and he did it. >> It was a side triangle. Yeah. >> You know, but if they were come to him now say now you got to move it back another five feet. It's going to cost him money to move his fence back. Yeah. >> You know, put new plants in and things like that. Sprinkler and, you know, so I'm trying to avoid stuff like that
because, you know, if you complied with the rules back then, you shouldn't have to go and say, "Oh, now there's new ones. You got to comply with these ones, too." >> Is there an exception? I mean, just for that example right there, is there? >> I don't know what their discussion is on that one. What about the situation like on that E
and you know on that corner and north >> if you that's somebody's property. So how what happens there? >> If he's in the side triangle they'll they'll put him in code back
>> even though it's a private property. Frank >> correct. Yeah that's a road. The thing is you have road meet I don't know how we can approve or not you know that's all >> I mean that's it's it's a safety issue there it's when you have somebody in the middle >> yeah on your little road
>> right and they're coming out if they can't see and they get hit on them because they didn't trim back their stuff when you're talking about where a road meets a road in an intersection you know that there the the town does have a a responsibility to make sure that that gets clear whether the town does it or
they do it through code enforcement or whatever. I mean, that's that can actually that's that's a proven state law. >> Okay. I just wanted to clarify, you know, that that's somebody's >> driveway as well. >> But, you know, usually it's where the road meets the road and that's a big deal because they're >> But that's all we're talking about here
though, right? It's >> Well, but they were also talking about driveways too, >> but we've made clear that we're not going to submit that. So now we're talking about the road meets roadapella which is the e- road and north road which is >> and there's quite a few of those around >> there. Yeah, they they're they started
to >> I'd say there's less potential. >> They started to go go into it and then um council had said, "Hey, we're going to hold back on this. Um let's let the committees go back over. Let's get their opinions and then they'll present it back to council." Karen will from the
LDC and they'll um push back onto the saying to code, "All right, we approve this. We're going to move forward with this for this new." It's just like if you have a a tree and the tree is growing out onto the road and everything, it's the homeowner's responsibility to trim that tree back to
stop people from hitting it and causing an obstruction and a safety hazard. And if the homeowner says, "I'm not going to do it." The town can take the initiative after they go through their their process of cutting the tree and then they back charge them. They send them bill, they don't pay it, they hit them with their on their property tax, they
assess them. Yeah. >> And that's actually what can be done when it comes to the triangle. You give them fair notice. give them a chance to do it. They say, "No, I'm not going to do it." Then the town can come in. >> Well, that goes that goes to code and then they code and they get go through magistrate for that. Yeah. Same thing with process.
>> It's same thing with the trees coming the road. If it does come to a life safety issue, I do go out and I say, "My gosh, you know, hey, cut it out of the road. It's a life safety issue. The homeowner has no choice. We're removing it." >> Right. >> I would like to see some type of I don't know, exception. And I'm and I can't
exactly think the words, but like the situation that Frank was talking about where the homeowner complied and particularly I I don't like that property because I can't see, but >> he it sounds like he from what Frank's saying complied. He moved his fence. He, you know, he did what he was supposed to
do at the time. And so I don't know if the ULDC can have some type of exception for some properties where, hey, they they complied at one point. um we're going to tell them to do it again. That's just that seems like not fair for the for the homeowner versus somebody
who just let their everything grow wild and um they just kind of ignored the requirements at that time. So, I don't I don't know what the language would be or what the requirements or or anything that would be triggered, but maybe there's something that we could we could say where, hey, you know, there's
there's some type of exception or there's some way out of um the strict requirement that you have to now move your sprinklers. >> How about something like until it changes ownership or something like that? >> Oh, interesting. >> Well, that actually can happen. It's just >> what I mean because then it doesn't just stay in the middle of the road forever,
right? But if >> Yeah. No, I >> want to say that we have that in a lot of our codes already. Once it it >> once it changes ownership, it's that it can change in the code, but I would have to look into it to that ordinance how it's worded in the full ordinance.
>> Just like if you put a shed on your property and you didn't get the um the approval and everything in order for you to sell, the town would say, "All right, we got to get approval for for having a shed there." And but if you don't sell, then there's really nothing that can be done about it, you know. And it's
basically the same line of thing. And same thing with a with a house. When somebody sells a house and it doesn't they did an addition, but they didn't go through any permits. They got to go ahead and they got to go to current code to in order for that house to go through. And I think that would be the same thing there to go and penalize
somebody that that adhered to the code that they were told to, you know, back a few years ago and they did everything they were supposed to do and then come to them and say now you got to move it back even more and if you want it and you know the town is so adamant about, well, we need to have it moved back even more. Then the town could go ahead and
pay for 100% of the of the cost, which I don't think the town will want to do, nor would I want the town to do that. But we have to have I think it's a a fine line between you know safety and at the same time if people did what the town told them to do back then and they got signed off on it then you know I
think the town's going to be out of gas. >> There are some kind they need to think about that I think a little bit more and I don't I don't think we have an answer today on that. >> Okay. Yeah. for saying exceptions and properties already in uh previous compliance.
I'll ask them. >> Yeah, that was my only question. >> Any more thoughts on this? Did we lose Dar? I think so. Or is she in the airport checking in? >> Oh, can't hear, but she can see.
>> I'm here. I'm listening. >> Are you in the airport? >> No, I'm uh driving. Yes, I am. I'm getting a peppercorn ranch pocket. Sorry, I'm on my way to a twohour drive, but we had to stop. I have teenagers with me. So,
>> but I'm listening. I'm just blocking you guys while I'm ordering food. Sorry. >> No problem. Enjoy. >> Do you have anything else that you want to add to that, Darcy, or the discussion? >> Believe it or not, no. >> Okay.
Well, then I I if there's nothing else to add, we don't have a vote on anything. >> No discussation back to them. >> Okay. >> Um I do want to bring up because some of the items that we were asked for last time, um just give you a little heads up on them. I'm still waiting for the hospital
to get back to me for their for their trail. I tried making a phone call to them. I'm waiting for one back from them. Um, obviously they've got the monstrous construction going on, so they're kind of tied up with that. >> They have a new CEO now. >> Huh.
>> The old CEO was removed by Okay. HCA and now there's a new one there. >> Mhm. >> So, uh, anything that you talk to with the old one, he's out of there with that fiasco that went on with that guy that beat up the the nurse. >> Oh, they say it removed him was on the news yesterday and now there's a new CEO
that just took over. >> You know, the funny thing is that guy was in my wife's work right after that happened. or right before it happened at the Duncan. My >> daughter danced with my granddaughter. >> Oh, really? Yeah. Before he got took into the hospital, he was in my wife's
store at the Duncan. She managed >> and they'd called in on him. But >> so yeah, you you're you probably have to start back with square one with the CEO >> of the hospital to to get that because he's going to go, "What are you talking about?" >> Okay, no problem.
Um so for that and then um we're still waiting for uh answers back on the actual the county park here where we're um Mary and myself did walk around with the county guys and trying to give them our input and all our discussions that
we had spoke within here and the line item actually have the big list here that I went over with them on. Um we're waiting for replies back on them. So they said they got to figure out what they're going to do, how much that that end of the park is being used like the baseball field. What if they can put it
because I wanted them to connect this trail to that one connected all the way across so you didn't have to come out on the pavement. >> You could stay in the wood line to connect all the way across over to um was it Southern Lawn? Because Southern Lawn behind their back fence is most
>> Did you? >> Yeah. >> Nice. Man, I just sent Ashley the little map behind Southern Lawn's. Awesome. They did a great job. You can go right through there. They left an opening and everything. >> Nice. >> That that was the only problem there was was where you come out and I I went two
different way. I went there and back to the Aldi trails >> or whatever their name's going to be. But I went there and back. So, first time I went out on one of the side roads. It still wasn't great to turn on D- road and then cross the bridge, but we did it. Then the second and then on
the way back we went up further, one street further. So one would be where Vince Ramos was six. >> That's six. Yeah. Back here. >> So one was the other. And it was the middle of the day so there wasn't a lot of traffic. >> You know, would it be fabulous to have a
bridge across that canal? >> Would we, you know, like the town is going to swing for that? I don't know. >> Yeah. I It would be very hard to swing for it when we have others. So many other place to hide. Yeah, >> that was the only iffy situation. And it
was it was a decent ride. I don't have it in front of me, but it was like 5 miles. >> Yeah, it's a long way. >> I parked I parked my horse trailer at the kitty area of the park. >> Mhm. >> And we rode all through here. Met the guys working on the wires. They were
great. Stopped everything. You know, if you need us to do very nice people. Anyway, so then we went all the way down this road down across over to Aldi's all around in there and then came back and it was like five miles. So it wouldn't be ideal if it there was maybe even
since we probably can never get a bridge and I I understand that this one over here that we have on Cro is very costly >> even though we wound up doing it ourselves. I I know all that whole story. So maybe a crossing light, a blinking light or something. >> So wherever we decide to cross
>> the horse flashers >> like we have a word to go to the behind >> Yeah. tractor. >> We're going to put a whole new system in there. >> I just think that that would be >> at least something that they would see cuz some of these people come off southern, they don't even live here, you know? They like horse. Look, it's a
horse. >> Some people don't. >> Some people have never seen horses. Exactly. >> They're new to them. So it I feel like if you could just get across that street and it's really not very far where you have to go come out somewhere and then
get to that bridge. It's >> Yeah. If you take Tangerine, you cross Tangerine, you're right at the bridge. You just cross right there. >> Yeah. I mean, it's pretty. Yeah. If you could just put a crossing somewhere, that would be it. I think that would help a lot. >> Okay. Um I don't know if you guys did notice,
we did go and put horse trail signs all the way down North Road. put um we did go and put all the uh horse rule signs that we've you guys agreed on. We put them all the way down the whole thing as well. All of them are at the main road, not the I can't say main, but town roads
that are crossing. >> All the drives. Yeah. And then um >> we today we did put one over by the wooden bridge at actual horse signs. >> Um getting more trail sign or the more rule signs because we did put a bunch over on North Road.
So, the idea was is to put more there. She's up there jumping because I don't know if she was here today for it or not, but she saw it. But we are I ran out of actual horse signs. >> No, I've been in Michigan for three days. Sorry. >> Because I don't like to come to these.
>> Yeah. So, we ran out of signs. So, we're actually I got more order to go in. >> Can you put one on Marcela because there's a lot of horse traffic I think on Marcella right now. Yeah. >> Um I the multi-use ones look great. I really the rules ones. They're very they
really stand out. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're they're you can see them coming. >> So yeah, we did all put the rule signs all the way down actual F-ro. >> Yep. >> At Okchobee everything. So when you come across there, one's here. And then you see we put new um the adoption signs for
the county when the county funded the F-ro trail. >> It's right below. Yep. Right. So, I just I reamped those stating like, "Hey, this was a joint thing between the county and and Los Angeles Grove, a water control district back then." >> That's nice. I didn't I didn't see that, but but I didn't go that way.
>> You were taking the scenic route. >> There's one on on Citrus and >> Yeah. If If you leave here, there's one right here at Citrus and F right there. It's set back. So, when that people come out of that farm, >> they would see it as they came out of that farm to go on the trail right there.
That's perfect because that that's a designated trail. The citrus trail plus the trails back here and then Yeah, I saw I rode yesterday and I saw it was >> Hey, Craig. >> It's nice. It makes you feel like we're doing >> um I took I took the old sign that was
on Ero and North that just says a designated trail sign because they left it on the road so it's at my house in front of my garage if you need it back. You can use it as a a fabulous scenic heirloom in your household. I think it will look nice. >> I can hang it in front of my house. Um,
right on the front door. >> Okay. Facing the road so they can see it as the cars go by. Okay, got it. >> Anyway, I'm going to wrap it up because I got to hop back in the car if y'all don't need me anymore or >> But yeah, we're we're pretty much just getting updates from Craig and and then
it's just confirmation of the next meeting. Hopefully you can be in person for our next meeting. >> Okay. Um Okay, then I'll just listen >> until we adjourn. >> Well, we're Let's see. The next meeting is
>> watching me eat. >> I think it's March 19th, Darcy, is the next meeting. What happened? >> All right, hold on. Let me see. Let me see my calendar. >> I think we're going to be camping.
I do want to say the new hunting lease in North Florida, there is zero cell phone service, so no one can. >> Okay, are we going to be camping then? >> I think that's what I just said. I think we're going to be >> spring break. >> It's the week of spring break.
>> Why don't we do the week after? >> I can't. They they have a um another meeting in here the week after. >> The week before? How about the week before the 12th? >> I'd have to check and see and then we we can check with you all and make sure we're good.
>> Tenatively scheduled for the 12th upon confirmation from you. >> I will not I may not be able to be here. I have >> a kids play. >> Does it have to be a Thursday? >> I don't know.
Yeah, because there are other committee meetings and other meetings that go on in here that we >> or have April. >> Yeah, we may not. It sounds like March is going to be a bad month everybody with spring break and all that. And I think we actually have to have a quorum
sitting in order to have the meeting go on either. We just you can't have a quorum if somebody's on on video conference. Yeah. >> I'm gonna Or we could just not have the meeting in March and have it in >> the 16th.
>> April 16th. >> We're finally getting >> I know, but March is a bad thing. It's spring break and every and different schools have different spring breaks. Some of them are beginning, some are middle, some are end. >> Yeah. April 16th is the next meeting. It almost doesn't make sense to have a
meeting April 2nd and then two weeks later unless there's like an urgent meeting for >> I would just say if everyone's go skipping the March meeting because obviously we we probably aren't going to have a quorum you know
for any time in March. So we will have a looks like >> Darcy you okay with that Darcy? >> Darcy we hear music. That's her singing. >> Sorry. What's up?
>> Um, we're saying that in March because everyone we aren't going to have a quorum no matter what week what date we have it in March because everyone's going to be spring break. So, we're thinking just not have a March meeting and have it for uh in April.
>> April 16th. >> Okay. If that's what everybody agrees, then that's fine. >> Yeah. Okay. Then we'll do that. No March meeting and we'll just do April 16th. >> I'm good with that. >> Sounds good. >> Okay, >> everybody good with that?
>> Yes. >> So, we'll just do uh we skipped over it, but we'll do committee member comments. Start with Katie first. >> Can I please have an update on the North Road Trail? Are they going to have dirt brought in or what's what's going to happen on
>> front of the the big farm? Well, the call I received was about that all there's too many rocks. So, all along the side there's is supposed to be some new fill brought in so that there's a place where the horses can walk that's
not all rocks. >> So, the roadway is the roadway. The trail itself will be on the north side of the roadway. >> That's where the grass area is. >> But where So, on the grass >> on the grass. Yeah. But that's that once we cuz once we get done with a road,
we're full tilt on a road right now cuz we're rebuilding the whole canal bank and everything. >> I saw that. >> There's a ton of work going in over there right now. >> Um once we get done with that, the next deal is to jump to North Road Trail. >> Okay. >> And we're there's the palm trees, there's pine trees, and everything
alongside there that is in that grass area that we're going to remove. >> Okay. >> And then that whole side will be the horse trail. >> Okay, sounds good. Um, and then in front of the big the big new polo farm. Um, I am on with them right now. They have to
finish out in front of their property. They have to build an actual swale for drainage and everything out there right now. >> I actually have a question about that. How is it that they're turning in there? Like that's not a road. >> It is not. I've already contacted them >> because I'm like, what's going on here?
>> I've already received the video of it and I've I've called their owner. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Was that complete your comment? That completes my comments. >> Um Ashley, >> um thank you for moving the dirt on the F-RO Trail. Yep, I saw that. Appreciate that. >> And then was that a couple days later we
went and moved in. >> Yeah. Um thank you for that. Um I'm excited about the Locks Grove Park. Um I would like on the next meeting, I guess in April, to hear an update on that. I don't know if you can put that on the agenda >> or just as a bullet point update on
Locks Grove Park, where we're at. It sounds like you you guys met, you provided suggestions to the county. Um hopefully the county gets back to us, you know, at that point. If not, follow up followup. >> So, I'm I'm excited about that. Um
um I want to also keep kind of as a as a just a discussion point for each meeting um the connection between the Aldi trails and also the park here just to continue to discuss um you know how best
we can connect those. Um and then also I also want to keep the discussion for each um meeting about bridges. Are there any additional horse bridges like the one on Seo where you know we don't have to have a whole pipe and a whole big big
thing. We just have a wooden bridge that goes across. So >> now is there locations you guys are strictly looking at because I mean a lot of it has you have driveways crossing. I don't want to have to like so in general where they put that one in Sea Road. There was no crossing anywhere within I
think it was a half mile area of that. That's the reason why they put that one there. Um I know one of the concerns Miss Darcy has is further like down E road or I think we had spoke to on your ride some sort of Miss Dar was further down E on northeast somewhere halfway or something in that area because there is
a couple big farms over there. >> She she Dorsy looks like she wishes to see if that's okay. >> Yeah, I'm just waiting for you to finish with >> Craig Craig filled it in. That's what I was gonna say. If we could get a bridge into the preserve off of E- Road somewhere would be great. Yeah, that's that's going to be a fight we're gonna
have with M >> because they don't want access going in there. People going in um >> it's almost one of the things that they use our canal bank as their >> FYI that's our canal bank. >> I'm the same way. Yeah.
>> So, you know, if they if they don't go along with it, then it's going to be guys, we don't need your permission. and be good neighbors. There's going to be some there and that's it. Adios amigos. >> Yeah. The only thing that they would push on that said you were in their
property without a permit, >> without the horse permit then >> the canal bank is not their property. >> Canal bank is ours, but >> into the property. >> But they do they have a fence that runs across next to that B.
>> And they need to put a fence in there or put some signs up if somebody goes in there. FYI, they're not going to get they can get a ticket, but they can fight it in court. They're going to win, right? >> Can I >> I just want to say something about the the canal side on the north the in the
preserve the north road canal. >> If you go over the bridge and make a left, I know we maintain that. There's a couple holes, like really bad holes there, and there's some pink flags put in the holes so you can see them. They need to be filled. And I think there was palm trees or something in there that were removed.
But they're right on the trail. >> Sorry. >> So, um, Craig, you asked about the bridges and where we I mean, I can >> I would echo Darcy as to the location for that one. Um, I maybe there's there would be one on like I don't know if it's G Road, but it's a little bit
further north by Madison Green. I know that there's issues with the golf course, but that is still our property. And then I'm just thinking another one maybe across Falsam either at Casey or Marcella or Collecting Canal because that's a very long canal bank to be able to ride on. But I'm sure that there's
more too. I can't think of them off the top of my head. I just didn't know if that was a prospect for the for the town to be able to have additional wooden bridges. So that would love that. Like the Aldi one, I would love that. But >> one of the places I was more or less thinking is like a road the south a road
by like Marg's house. >> Okay. in that area because that's a long road and there's nothing crossing in that area >> or basically where there's nothing crossing to get over to the >> or actually runs down the north side of
the college property and then where a road canal and canal meet at a bridge over there so you can get across and go all the way down there instead of having it by Marg's house >> it just it goes over it goes from our canal bank to our canal bank and there
is a fence over there where the uh uh state Palm Beach State property is at. So >> yeah, that canal bank be on that fence is ours. I'm just got to redo that gate right there. I've already spoke with them. I got to redo the gate and then just give us a 32 32 inch gap for horse crossing and then we'll be able to cross
down through that and you can connect all the way out to Southern Boulevard behind the college. >> And then there was one more just because of the propert not not for me but the property owner. Um they're on E- Road in in the middle of um E- Road like next to the preserve. There's a there's a lot of
horse properties that are >> There's the um >> Well, I'm forget the name of the road. There's a road right there. >> Yes, that one 144th or or something like that. >> It's it's right in the middle of E- Road instead of having the people have to ride all the way down and then all the way by Darcy's property.
>> That was one Darcy pointed out in that area. She want she said >> yes that would be another location if you know if we had to but >> that I just wanted to put that on the agenda for the next time so that we can continue to discuss that >> and that that concludes my comments. >> Okay Darcy you have anything else you
want to add? >> I do. Um Craig when we're asking or when we're considering getting people to give easements over is there like a form or something because I do have a property owner who is actually willing to discuss
giving us an easement before they list their property for sale. And Ashley, it's right next to your old barn. That property, if you're facing the barn to the right that's perpendicular, >> that would make that is that 34th Street.
>> What street is that? >> My my old >> next to Willa E Road. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's that's the location over the bridge we're just talking about, >> right? But what road is that? There is a full um easement documentation that um
our town attorney does draw up for that would draw up for that property. >> Okay. >> Um and it would have to come in they'd sign for it and everything and it gets approved. It goes it gets actually recorded to the property appraiser everything. >> Yeah. There's easement everything
documentation. >> That's a town road though. Is that 34th? >> If it has a street sign it would have to. >> It's not a private road. >> Right. There's a bunch. >> No, it's a town road, right? It's Yeah, I'm asking. >> He's looking it up.
>> I'm looking make sure which one it is. >> 144. >> I think it's 30 something. >> 30 maybe 30th place. I don't know. >> I know the one that's over there that I'm looking at right now is 35th.
>> It's whatever street Ashley's old barn was at the end of >> 35th place. >> Yeah, there's 35th. There was like a Bruce Cunningham that's down on the right hand side of it and there's like a holdings other one up there but that's
the one I know that is ours 35th place north that is the halfway mark. >> Okay. So if we extend >> we fixed their pipel I don't know if they can hear me. >> Yes we can. I'm sorry Darcy what? >> Okay. >> It's okay. So that road if you take that
road 34th that would be the town road. And if we turn the easement, extending that road into an easement through that property, I think it's 5 acres. But we'll get into logistics later. I just wanted to let you know that they are willing to discuss it with the town before they list the property for sale.
>> Okay. Yeah, I can get with you and and get you get their information and I can sit down with them and talk to them. >> Okay. Actually, Virginia Standish, I believe, is going to help them list the property because they're moving out of town, but they're going to list and I
think Virginia's going to help them with that. So, if you want to reach out to her before I get back or I can I can reach out to you when I get back. I'll be back Sunday. >> Okay. Yeah, it'll be next week. >> Okay, sounds good. >> And my my only comments or question,
half road and collecting canal. >> Half road and collecting. We are going through legal stuff back and forth with the um contractor right now >> because you know from my standpoint that's a backho that's been sitting there for a year. Yeah. That's $250,000
for that backup. They've already paid for all the culverts that are sitting around town. >> We paid for the culverts. >> We paid for the culver. >> Yes. Yes. All the pip. So, you know, my question is if if the contractor can't do it, won't do it, doesn't want to do it, you know,
>> they want to is just there was some handwritten or not handwritten, but legal documentation that was going back and forth that we're trying to deal with them right now. >> Well, we're talking about a year and a half >> um that were were dropped off, >> but we once shut that job like stopped
it at four months ago completely. >> Are we paying any money for those for that equipment to sit there? Not that I know of right now. >> Yeah, because we have the culverts there. There another culvert. >> The other one's on further down. >> Yes, that is ours as well. >> You know, and and you know, that's a that's a big thing. I mean, we got stuff
growing up over there >> and um you know, all it takes is one of those culverts to we get a good rain or something like that and one of those coverts just, you know, rolling on over into the into the canal and now that presents another problem where you got to pump the canal down and and get the
and get it out of there. So, I just want to see the project get done. >> So do I. I'm trying. I've been pushing it very hard. >> That's it for me. Um, so we already have our meeting set for no meeting in March,
a meeting in April, and a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> We need a first. >> Oh, sorry. I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Do >> a second. >> I second. >> All right. All in favor? I I third it. Great.
We're journ. Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you guys. Thanks Craig. Sorry about the monotony back here. >> Drive. I'm going horseback riding.