Now, >> do we have any presentations we need to >> go February 3rd town council meetings will now come to order. If we could all stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Just have a moment of silence. And if I could have a roll call, please. >> Mayor Kaine, >> present. >> Vice Mayor Herszog,
>> here. >> Council member McClendon, >> here. >> Council member El Ramy. Council member Coleman, >> present. >> Uh, town manager Francine Ramalia is in the building. Town attorney Jeffrey Kurtz, >> I am here. Town Clerk Valerie Oaks is
absent, but I will be covering for her today. Gabriella Crosdale. Karen Gardner, Young, Community Standards Director. And then David Delena, chief finance officer. Craig Lauer, public works superintendent. >> He's in the building. >> Yeah, is in the building.
>> Hey, can I have a motion to approve the agenda, please? >> So moved. >> I wanted to pull two items, nine and 10. >> You want to pull them completely? >> Yeah. I was wondering why we're >> Is everybody okay with that? Removing
nine and 10 completely. >> I'm a flipping problem with 10. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All righty. >> Yeah. You want to modify yours? Your motion? >> I I uh Yeah, I'll modify my motion to uh remove nine and 10. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I passes four to zero. Item number one, presentation by the homeless coalition for the mayor's ball award to the town of Lockahuchi Groves. >> Should I come forward? So before I come forward, I just want to say I just want to just give a little
shout out before you start to local lobbyist Mary McNicholas. when I um realized that the mayor's ball was something that I had to do in my purview as a mayor and I was this challenge came out about these baskets, you know, they challenged the mayors to have these
baskets, but we can't ask anybody for anything, right? So, it's like what do you do? How do you get this? So, I called up Mary and she did an amazing job of representing our town in two baskets. So, thank you very much, Mary, for all your hard work on that. I
appreciate it. So, I just Melissa McKinley for the record, uh, president of the board of directors of the homeless coalition of Palm Beach County. And, um, is this on? Just making sure. I just want to say thank you. It was a challenge. This
>> There we go. Uh, this past year, Maria Marino served as the mayor of Palm Beach County, and it was really her initiative. she stood up at a League of Cities meeting and she said, "I challenge all of the mayors of our cities um to put these baskets
together." And one of the reasons that she wanted to do that is I think there was a historical belief that the mayor's ball, she had a joke, she wanted to move the apostrophe um from apostrophe s because it made it really seem like it was the county's
ball. and I've believed in what she was trying to do and she said it really is about all of the mayors in the county and 39 mayors plus the 40th one from the county because it takes all of us to be able to provide the services that our homeless families and citizens need in
the county. And so I really thank you for participating and I have Alex Ayala who is our CEO. Many of you know her from her days as a school board member. We are so very very fortunate and I just want her um she's going to do the presentation but I want her if you don't
mind uh a quick one two minutes on what the homeless coalition is doing. I wanted to give her that opportunity. Thank you very much. >> Thank you to our chair and good evening everyone. Such a pleasure to be here tonight. Thank you for this opportunity and thank you all for all you did. As
mentioned, Alexandria Ayala Long. the CEO of the Homeless Coalition of Palm Beach County. And I wanted to first say thank you for the baskets. They were not only gorgeous and so representative of your wonderful town with things like swank tickets and local honey and local
agricultural tours. Um, but the three baskets that you did, not one, not two, but three. All three brought in the highest value for the entire event that we raised. So kudos to all of you for that and thank you for participating in the challenge. At the coalition, we are
a collaborator and a part of the continuum of care for homelessness and ending homelessness in Palm Beach County. So we're a local partner with our agencies that provide direct services that you may know of like the Lord's Place, Vita Nova, uh the Gulfream Goodwill Industries organization, Adopt
a Family, Families First, on and on. We support them. We also meet gaps in fundraising that exist for agencies and for the county and we are a collaborator in terms of advocacy and information to get education out about what's going on with homelessness whether it's
legislative through policy through local initiatives. So, we do a lot in those three different spaces. And the money that's raised at our events like the mayor's ball and like our upcoming Lewis brunchin, which will be March 20th, all go back to the community to direct services to helping those facing
homelessness and to funding initiatives, funding initiatives that help end homelessness. So, I want to thank you all again. I brought some fun little things that we were putting in conspicuously in a bag because they're not to hurt anybody. But our theme last year was construction and it was around
building a home and you know building a better future. So we did some bedazzled hammers and I wanted to present one to the mayor and as well to Mary McNicholas who helped set this up, was instrumental in the entire operation and who begged me
for one, let's be honest. So, um, if I could bring these forward >> without, you know, holding them down like >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mayor.
I don't want to block anybody. >> Come on up. >> I had no idea about this, but are you good? We go. Okay. Here. Hold your camera up there. >> Okay. And I have just something real
quick for you guys. A small cooking. So McCoy said, >> you look forward to collaborating. >> Thank you. >> So before you all go, thank you so much for this. And I need to thank our community because I got to tell you,
these people on this list told me how much they love our town as much as we do and we need to thank them. International Polo School, Gratitude Garden Farm, 24 Karat Ranch, Swank Farms, Vince Ramos
Therapeutic, Horsemanship Center, Red Barn Feed and Supply, Big and Small Dog Ranch, McCoy's Florida Honey, and Palm Beach State College Locks Hache Groves campus. So, y'all, please make sure you thank them when you see them. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Good job, everyone. And it is nice to have Melissa back. She's It's been a while since she's been here. We love it. Okay. Item number two, presentation regarding the commerce grant. We have Kim Delaney and Jessica Seymour
from Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council and they've put together a brief outline of um an interlocal agreement that we have worked together on that matches the scope and the timing of the
scope that has been agreed to by the Department of Commerce pursuant to the grant which is at no out-ofpocket cost to the town does not have any matching requirement and we do not have to adopt the results of the study. We simply have
to complete and present the study by June 19th. Thank you, Kim, for coming. >> You're welcome. >> Just so everyone knows, this was a hard task to get Treasure Coast back, but they are here and we are grateful. >> Oh, we're we're happy to help. So, Kim Delaney from Treasure Coast Regional
Planning Council staff. Nice to see familiar faces and hello to the new faces. I'm here with my colleague Jessica Seymour um who will be assisting the town directly with this plan along with myself and the rest of our team. Um, uh, Francine and Mary, uh,
representing the town, uh, have helped us better understand the opportunity that the town has. Um, and so we've worked with your staff to develop, um, a scope and an outreach process that would meet the, um, uh, the grant requirements for the community planning, technical
assistance grant is the name, uh, that the town has an opportunity to receive. Um, and so tonight I just have a couple of slides just to kind of frame the conversation for the council. Um, and to give the public some perspective on what the opportunity is for the town. Um, and
so um, uh, the action that I think is before you on your agenda is to authorize uh, both acceptance of the grant from the state, which as Francine mentioned is a is a no match grant, which is not the easiest grant to secure from the state, especially these days. um and to allow the council to assist
you and your staff in carrying out that work. Um so go ahead. Next slide. Oh, do I click it? Oh, I'll click next slide, Kim. Okay, click forward arrow. There we go. So um so your staff um of course forwarded to us a copy of the
letter that was written to uh Florida Commerce um to secure the grant. I'm sure you have all seen a copy. It's of course available as part of the agenda item. And I just called out a couple of items uh that really struck me. I I've had the good fortune of coming out to Lockache Groves at least a half a dozen
times to work through different workshop conversations with the community. And what I always come away with um when I have the chance to work with the town is how strong the sense of pride is that Lock Aachi Groves has this unique rural identity. We have very little of that
left in Florida. We have even less of it left in Palm Beach County. Um, and so, you know, the town's ability to really celebrate the rural characteristics that you have and protect them with zoning and land use, um, is is an opportunity. It's tricky to accomplish because
there's a lot of development pressure all around you. I just drove out here from, uh, I was happen to be in Port St. Lucy today helping the community with some transportation issues that they've developed because they didn't have a chance to look far enough down the road and plan their transportation network.
So, they're really struggling with transportation um as a key channel. And as I came to town hall, man, I was praying I was going to get here. It started out that I was going to be here by 5:30 and it became 559 by the time I got off the turnpike. And um there were
nothing but tail lights. Um and so the pressures that you have as a community and the ability to really kind of hang on to that identity um are not insignificant. Um, and so we're honored to have a chance to help the town in any way that's appropriate for you as a community, but we would suggest to you
as the planning council. You know, you really have a treasured resource in that you have an authentic, different kind of place. Um, and it's a piece of Florida um that is um that is is quickly uh quickly being lost. Um, and it's one of the reasons why Florida Commerce put
grants in place like the one that you have a chance to bring in specifically to protect and celebrate rural identity. It's a priority for the state. Um, and it's something that makes Florida um, competitive to be quite frank. Um, it gives us a different quality of life. It gives different choices for people who
don't want to live in an urban environment and they don't want a suburban environment, but they want a rural condition. So, it makes us stronger and more resilient as a state to have places like Lockache Groves. Um, I, you know, we read in great detail the request that went up to the state to
bring the grant down. And there are a couple of phrases that I just highlighted, um, which are specifically preserving your rural identity, um, and reinforcing your rural character as you go through your analysis to figure out what are the rules that are the right rules for Southern Boulevard. Is any
development appropriate? And if it is, what should it look like? How should it perform? and can it be designed in a way to protect the residential neighborhoods that live just on the other side of the canal? Right. Um and so that's what we take away as kind of the charge and the
mission I think um in this process for you if you'd like us to carry it out. Um just a word about regional planning councils and and I was forwarded some correspondence that circulated um that um that interpreted the role of the regional planning councils differently than the way I interpret the role of the
regional planning council. I've been with the council staff for 22 years. Um uh we have a uh we're a public agency. Um we're an agency that has a 28 member board. Um the council has 18 elected officials and 10 gubernatorial appointees. Um and we're we're now
celebrating our 50th year. Um and 50 years ago when the legislature looked at the growth pressures that were coming into Florida, there were a couple of big actions that were taken by the state. One was to put comprehensive planning in place as a requirement to say local governments, you need to look down the
road, figure out what you want to be and put goals and policies in place to to secure that for your residents because they look to you for that leadership and then put zoning in place so that you have rules of engagement when development happens. The other thing the state did back in the 50 uh 50 years ago
was create regional planning councils as a resource for local government. What the legislature acknowledged 50 years ago was there are significant growth pressures coming into the state. Local governments run the risk of being overwhelmed because they don't have the staff capacity or the technical
expertise available to have informed conversations um and secure those goals that are set forth in their comp plans. Um, there are also lots of multi-jurisdictional effects that are happening from development where one local government is approving development, but it
actually affects all of its neighbors, but those other neighboring local governments don't have a chance to voice their concerns in that process. And so, regional planning councils were created as a resource for local governments and a resource for the public. We're a public agency. We do no work for the
private sector. We only take on work for public entities, specifically local governments, but also agencies as well. Um, and we carry out some federal obligations. We work with Homeland Security and emergency evacuation to make sure that we have resources that are trained and appropriate to deal with
disaster. Um, we handle some funding from the feds so that when small businesses want to develop, we have a funding program that's available through the council to generate particularly small business and small business development through the region. Um, and then we also specialize in planning um,
and analysis that really is focused on land development activity and infrastructure and the things that make us resilient and successful as communities. Um, and so that's our mission. Um, our staff is uh, trained in local government work. We do an enormous amount of public outreach. That's how we
characterize projects done well. Projects that have sufficient public outreach so that you as elected officials can have confidence when you make decisions that the public has been heard. Those comments have been packaged in a way that makes sense. it's part of the public record and you have at least
a clear insight into what the desires are in your community so that when you make decisions as elected officials, you can be confident that those those decisions are at least well-informed decisions. Okay, so that's kind of the background of the regional planning council. There are 10 in Florida.
They're established in state statute. Our region is the Treasure Coast region which covers Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucy, and Indian River counties. four very different counties with 53 very different local governments, but we help each of them in the way that's appropriate for that community. The
rightsiz solution for West Palm Beach is a different size solution for Port St. Lucy and that's a different size solution for Lachi Gross. So, we try to have good understanding into what those pressures are, understand the trend, bring resources to local governments to help address the issues that are of
concern to your residents and concern to you as electronic, pardon me. Um, we've had the opportunity to work with the community a couple of times with respect to the Southern Boulevard quarter. Um, I facilitated a
few listening sessions um a year and a half ago, Francine. Year and a half ago with um with residents. >> Yeah. >> April of last year five. Wow. There's a lot to happen between now and then.
>> That's it. Well, in fairness, we're all right because we did start it about 18 months ago, okay? >> But we didn't make it to the actual we did we started talking about it 18 months ago for, you know, framing the information and then um we started the listening sessions about a year ago.
>> Got it. Okay. So, I facilitated those uh those sessions as a service from the planning council. Um uh we met over at the state college. Uh we had a lot of feedback from residents that were frankly very concerned about growth pressures. um very concerned about infrastructure challenges um about water
and consumer about transportation impacts, strong desires for some recreational facilities they could get to, ideally not drive, but maybe bike or walk or uh gain access uh by equestrian uh connections. Um we also had feedback from development interests that were on
the quarter. The town wanted to hear uh what uh developers and businesses thought about the quarter. So we took that feedback as well. not surprising. There is a desire to develop more than is uh on the books for you as a community and we packaged all that information for you and that's all part
of your public record. Um one of the things that we heard from both residents and the development community was a desire for more predictability and clear direction as to what's okay for the town. Um and I I think this study is a chance for you to explore that question
to figure out what might be right for the town and how might that look on the ground. Um and so this quarter is the focus um of the work that we've um detailed for you to consider. Um the kinds of questions that we would suggest you want to ask in that kind of process
are the questions that we asked in those workshops as well, which is residents, property owners, what's working well in terms of the rules and regulations and market conditions and infrastructure? What are the challenges that you have? What do you hope to see happen? And what
are the concerns that you have? We always ask those types of questions so we can kind of frame the challenge at hand. Um, and then use our expertise to try to tailor solutions for you that would accomplish the hopes that you have but keep the challenges um, at bay. Um,
there's a scope that we've developed working with your staff that follows the requirements in the grant. Um, and that scope would would happen very quickly because we don't have a lot of time to complete the work. So, it's a really compressed schedule. Um but it would
include four main tasks. The first being due diligence. You know what are the what are the land use and zoning conditions that exist? What is the background traffic condition? Where are you with respect to infrastructure? Do you have deficiencies in water and sewer? Do you have deficiencies in terms
of flooding and storm water? That's all part of the background understanding that we need to be able to have an intelligent conversation. Um, our due diligence also always includes some engagement with your neighbors, some engagement with the agencies that you have to do business with. So, we can
understand from the water management district, are there long-standing needs that need to be addressed? We can understand from Palm Beach County, from Westlake, from Wellington, what's happening in those communities and how might that affect this district. Royal Palm Beach as well is another neighbor. Um, and then with that information, um,
take you into a public outreach process. Um all of the work that we do is transparent. Um uh we um would suggest you could use both a public workshop as well as an online survey to get feedback from residents. We always feel more information for you as elected officials
is better. So we try to use every method we can so we can get as much input as we can for you. We would rather as your facilitators get that information early. we would rather not you receive that information late in the process when someone is angry because they didn't know a process was underway and they
didn't feel as though they had a chance to participate. So we try to be very broad in that work. Um and um we would take that feedback and then deliver to you um a draft and final set of reports that would look at infrastructure that
would look at water, sewer, storm water uh and transportation impacts. It will address recreational space and open space and it would also look at those identity characteristics that would um that would lend themselves to maintaining the rural identity. That is
kind of the driver in uh in our view as to the request to the state. Um and so that's where we would be spending um the most time I think really trying to understand what would a rural identity look like? How could you regulate it? How can you encourage it? and are there
things that you would want to discourage so that you don't take away from that. Um, so that's kind of a broad overview of the process that we uh that we would suggest would u be able to accomplish what's uh requested from the state in that grant. Um the process again is very
compressed. So we would be literally hitting the ground running. In fact, we're already scheduled to be here tomorrow to meet with the county for the transportation master plan. Um which will assist regardless. But those are the that's how fast this process needs to be underway to be able to get a
report document back to you by May so that it can be uh considered by June. Um I wanted to just build on uh an observation that uh Francine offered uh when she made her kind introduction. Um the the process is a that would produce
a study or a report um that is not a legally binding document in any way. Um, it's intended to, um, analyze information, test different conditions, and give you a series of strategies to consider. Um, it is up to the council as
to how it would want to utilize that document. You may just want to have a motion to receive and file. You may say, "Thanks for presenting Treasure Coast, and don't call us back, and that's okay." Um, or you may say, "Gosh, there's some good ideas in here. Staff,
can you work on making some changes to make these things happen?" It's completely up to the prerogative of the council as to what it does with that information. There's nothing in the grant requirement that requires you adopt anything. It only requires that you allow a public workshop to happen
and allow an opportunity for the findings of the work to be presented to you. But from that point forward, it's all up to the town as to what the town council feels appropriate to do with that information. Um, so, um, so that's a lot in a short period of time, but I know you always have a busy agenda. So,
let me pause for a moment. And I didn't even have a chance to have Jessica come up and say hello. So, Jessica, come on up and say hello. And Jessica has wonderful background um, experience working in rural communities, which is why we're so lucky to have her on our staff and available to assist with this project.
>> Yes. Um, Jessica Seymour. Um, I'm actually an architect by training. I've been working with Treasure Coast now though for eight years. Um, I also grew up in Palm City farms. Um, so I grew up riding my horse on dirt roads and I watched the citrus field across from my
home turn into houses. Um, so I have some some experiences growing up in a in a rural community and so we of course um are very sensitive to that context in a community. So um, you know, if we are able to assist um, we're very excited to
do so. So, and Jessica brings in terms of background incredible expertise particularly in zoning, land use, and design. So, those are the kinds of skills that we want to be able to bring to you as a community to understand if things build in this way, here's how they might look and feel. In another
way, here's how they might look and feel, and these are the rules and regulations to allow those things to happen. So, that's particular expertise that Jess brings, and we're so fortunate to have her on the team. Um, and so with that, I'm happy to answer questions um as as you may have them and uh and I'll I'll pause. >> Coleman has a question.
>> Yeah, nice to see you again. Thanks for coming back. I know some sometimes the workshops are a little challenging. There's a lot of passionate people. Um me being one of them. So um um welcome to the fight, Jessica. Um so I I just want to and and I just want
to know it's going to be redundant, but I want to clarify again. This grant is strictly for a study, right? is strictly to take a look at what's here, what could be here, what might and just give us the findings and that is all the
grant is for, right? >> Correct. >> Again, I say that is all the grant is for is just for a study, not for propos and and putting any restrictions in place, not for putting any new allowances in place or anything like that. Um, I look forward to doing
another workshop. Um, I was making another note too and I didn't get a chance to. I refer you said questions. So hopefully it'll come back to me, but I'll defer. >> Can we get a copy of that presentation >> of this one? >> Yes, >> absolutely. It's part of your public
record now. >> Yes, thank you. >> No problem. >> Because we couldn't read the legend and stuff because it's all obliterated by the what we can see. >> Yeah, it's all like crunk crunchy on the bottom. >> We've got your words over top of the legends. on top of that than you probably need, but absolutely it's all
part of the public record. We've already sent it to your staff and certainly it's available. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else have any questions? Okay. Anybody ready to make a motion? >> Make a motion to approve resolution number 6-07 and resolution 2026-08.
>> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Passes five to zero. >> Okay. >> Thanks so much. We look forward to it. >> Seeing you soon. >> Thanks, guys. >> Thank you both.
>> The first. >> Not a first, Marge. Come on. >> It's a first that Todd and I didn't fight about it. That's That's the first. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Now, we're on to item number three, a presentation by our local
lobbyist on current updates. Good evening, Madame Mayor, council, staff. Um, thank you for my for my little hammer. I'm kind of shocked about that, but um I'll loan it to anybody since it's really collectively all of ours.
>> And it and it really is a a real hammer. I thought it would be like some kind of a fake hammer. No, it's real hammer. It's heavy. They did it. >> It's when the gamble's not strong enough. No, it's not a gavvel. Definitely. It's a real hammer. So, I wanted to give you a couple of updates, things that have
come up. Uh, we talked about Okachobee. Okchobee Boulevard is I was mentioned and told that it is your top priority in previous council meetings. Um, we did seek to have improvements put into the
five-year road plan in lie of widening language. Um, we are absolutely going to be on an uphill battle as far as this goes because there were specifically bid requirements that went out um that
basically say and and they're they're not bids that have been given out, but in essence, Okachobee Boulevard Extension, State Road 80 to Seminal Pratt Whitney Road. It's under Palm Beach County Engineering's um website. Proposals due June 26. Tenative
project number two to be determined. Okachobee Boulevard seminal Pratt Whitney Road to Folsome proposals due August 2026 tenative. So I want to make sure that you know
that this is not only our on our radar. We've been working diligently and trying to work with every power that can be to make sure that what it is that you want as a town, town council, what it is that
you want is specifically done. Um I think at some point we're going to need to have some more community outreach meetings. Um, we've had and I've gone over in order to do previous grant that was stated before this. Um, you know,
I've looked through your neighborhood plan. I've looked through your, uh, master transportation plan, your trails, sorry, master trails and greenways, um, etc., etc. It says other things, but pretty much for about 20 to 30 years,
y'all, we've been saying the same thing. and we're fighting as much as we can with as many resources as we possibly can, which leads me into the the information on the countywide transportation plan. I do know that
that's in later in your agenda, but I would be very very clear as far as your priorities. And the reason, I know you've heard me say this, I like to execute and get things done and don't
have much patience for not getting things done. So, the closer and the better you can make your priorities as far as Okachobee, the clearer we can make our request. I I can't emphasize that enough.
There's a lot of moving parts to this countywide master transportation plan. I I'm sorry, I'm calling it countywide transportation master plan. Okay, same thing. But in essence, you know, we can be working on the operations and
maintenance and getting with, you know, engineering, which we already have at your request. We can be looking at a whole lot of different things on that road, but specifically your priorities need to be communicated. All right. So, anytime you all have any
questions while we're going through this or comments, please state them. Anything on Okobee to this point? >> I I have a question. I'm sorry. So other than I know that myself and a couple of other council members went to like the
town hall given by our district commissioner and voiced the college and voiced the desires of the town very >> clearly. We did it in Royal Palm. We did it at we went to Royal Palm last year. >> We did it at the state college this
year. So other than being vocal at presentations like that is is what you're requesting is that when we do our strategic planning initiative later in this meeting that that's that that it's in our strategic plan that you want us to be very specific or is is that what
you're saying? >> I want you to be specific in your plan. I want you to be specific with what you individually and collectively tell me to make sure that we're doing to the tow manager. We've got to we've got to make
sure of what we would accept. Okay. Because there's a lot of things I know um Councilwoman El Ramy was previously mayor and she knows that when it gets down to it, people are like, "Oh, well, we like this part, but we don't like
this part." Okay. I'm saying for example um so far with the county engineer engineer his assistant everything and commissioners and county administrators administration we have said look they
want to widen the road it's their road they have the right of way we don't want it widen we don't want it to bifurcate our town we previously had put in TPA grant which was like $4.2 $2 million that was voted down by our council at
the time and you know sadly we're left with nothing sitting out there right now. Okay, we put in for TPA grants. We were we were told they're not even going to look at it until after they do this countywide transportation master plan.
So what we're doing is also we do have a meeting tomorrow um that we are specifically putting everything together because this isn't only about Okachobee. This is about cutthroughs through your town. We don't want that. I mean I've
heard it from you all for many many many moons. I as a resident speak the same way but I work at your pleasure and also at your direction. I I think you know the plans that we talked about before is you are entering an equestrian
agricultural community. It is different for those reasons and a lot of the things that you've done as far as you've kept the speed limit low. You know, you've done a lot of different things. We tried to implement some roundabouts. Some people love roundabouts. Some people hate them. People that hated them
before now are begging me for them. They're like, "Look, I was definitely not a proponent of roundabouts, but you know, I am now. We need something." So, sadly, we didn't do that before, and we would be in a much better position. Um,
and we definitely had our previous county commissioner who's still here, and she absolutely fought extremely hard for it. But this is going to be a fullcourt press with this countywide transportation plan. Um and so we are going to definitely Okchobee is going to be our priority when we have the meeting
and when we give back all the information to those consultants then they will be putting it all together and present it to the board of county commissioners. So >> council >> Yeah. So, just for people that don't know, the
Okachobee extension from Seminal Pratt to Southern Boulevard has been on and off the books for over a decade. Correct. I mean, that's it's kind of been there. It was taken it was taken out because of funding, etc. If I remember correctly, if I'm quoting
misquoting somebody, I apologize, but I if I recall, that's what the reasoning was. But due to a stoppage on Southern Boulevard, now it's hit the hit the news that folks bought a house out at the end of a road, which most of us bought our
house out here at the end of a road, knew exactly what we were doing. Um, you know, there's other places in the county that have meandering, sleepy little two-lane roads that provide egress for for, you know, storm egress
for regular travel, things like that. Um, you know, Hagen Ranch Road comes to mind. Um it's it's it's has at every decent intersection entering a comm main intersection at a road it has roundabouts and it's a two-lane
reentering road. A lot of folks don't travel Hagen Ranch Road because of this, you know, they don't want to do negotiate the, you know, but it is the speed limit's low and there's roundabouts and I I you know, I I foresee that the extension is kind of
maybe inevitable, but you know, the the and I I hate it for the people west of us from 162nd west to Lion Country Safari because that those and in Deer Run, those people are going to be impacted, >> you know, hugely. I mean, Dear Run's going to have to move their entrance.
It's been there for decades, for eons, right? >> Councilman, it's technically to 20 mile bend, >> huh? >> It's technically to 20 mile bend, >> right? So, yeah. So, anybody out there is going to So, you know, I I I my thing has always been we need to hold
to the to the two lanes as much as possible. That that needs to be the fight. Two lanes and two lanes and two lanes. I I realize it's there right away and they can do what they want, but I mean it's to an extent. I know Todd's
>> but I mean two lanes is important. We don't have to have four lanes to give people an alternate entrance to their neighborhood. If I could interject to you, >> that's one thing I think another huge factor that that maybe 10 years ago,
certainly 20 years ago wasn't as important, but is really become a huge factor now as we have these developments out west and this can be part of the fight is the possibility of people on letter roads getting out onto Okachobee. It's just becoming increasingly I mean
we really need some kind of traffic coming whether I think he thinks of Hagen Rford. And I was familiar with the county as as Paul is, but I think of just Royal Palm Beach Boulevard. When I got into my dispute with the commissioner and she said, "There's no roads like that." And I said, "Well, what about Royal Palm Beach Boulevard?" Right.
>> Royal Palm Beach Boulevard, you know, from from Okachobee to Southern Boulevard is is exactly what I think, you know, that we need to have. We need to keep it to the two lanes. We need to keep it the low speed limit like that. And we need to there has to be some kind
of traffic devices so people may certainly not at every intersection. I'm not talking about a hard stop at every intersection but you know I don't know BD and F whatever every other road there has to be some way for people that are trying to get in and out onto Okachobee
Boulevard to be able to to do that that the amount of accidents we have at those intersections is just it's untenable and and it's not getting better it's getting worse. Uh madame mayor if I could please um to answer your question I think we have discussed alternatives
um to just coming straight through Ok you know town of Lockachi Groves with outside communities um there are other alternatives to this plan so I hope that helps as far as you go as far as you're talking about um Councilman
>> I I think there there's lots of alternatives I mean there's alternative on the other side of Southern Southern Boulevard Canal Oh, it's C-51. >> A lot of alter >> long stretch of state road that goes right down through there. >> A lot of alternative >> and unfortunately, you know, we're getting ready to 500 acres just is getting ready to probably be annexed by our neighbor and there's an approved
development on there already. So, you know, the folks are coming. I think it was, if I miss, if I'm if I'm misquing the number, I think it was like 800,000 people last year or maybe it was 2024 came to Florida. um you know from from
other places and you know and it's it's you know I think Kim said it best. I mean you know I I watch on on Instagram and stuff and you see um individuals out there. Oh, come see me about if you want to buy a house in this little sleepy little town, look at this little main
street. And I'm like sitting there thinking you just killed you know Fort White. You just you know it it's not going to be Fort White. It's not going to be the sleepy little town. I realize that we're in the middle of all this, but you know that's you know that's our
fight from here for a very long time. >> I will be getting with each one of you again to make sure of your alternatives. I mean your expectations. I believe that you voiced it loud and clear. Um there might be some alternatives you know if
this then whichever but we need to make sure of what it is that we want. Um >> Paul are you done? No, I'm sorry. Lisa, you >> Yeah. So, you're saying we're going to get together individually, so or say it now. >> Exactly.
>> Yeah. I'd like >> I I don't think anybody in this town has wavered in our desire to to maintain Okachobee in in some form that keeps it as a small rural uh main street as it were. >> When you talk about alternatives, you're
you're talking about alternative routes around us. Is that what you were talking about? >> Alternatives when we were I was discussing it with Councilman Coleman. alternatives for western communities to be able to exit in an emergency.
>> Correct. >> Additionally, additionally, as you well know, there might be alternatives that are brought up to us as ideas that will obviously come. >> Alternatives like what are you talking about or design,
>> roundabouts, medians, design? There will be, you know, discussions this way. those will be brought back to you and we might need to have some community additional community input. Okay, we also talked about the roundabouts and you know keeping the roads slow, that
kind of thing. So, you know, there's a lot of different things that might come up and we're going to need to come back to you to say, hey, is this what you want? Would this work the same way? Because having access but having lettered roads how it's designed right now is almost impossible at rush hour
traffic. >> No, it's not almost >> it's not working. >> It is impossible. >> It's not working. It's not working. I can't get out on Falsam and forget trying to pull a horse trailer out on >> you can't. >> But I think it it's important that we're not speaking in a vacuum here, right? So I think when you talk about
alternatives, it's important that everyone is is clear in the understanding of there's alternatives for the county to choose routes except Okachobee or or changing Okachchobee in in magnitude through our community and then design alternatives
along. So okay, thank you. >> Thank you. >> I I believe we're all in I believe we're all in unison what we want on this. I don't think there's any laboring. >> I turn mine back. We I mean we have stated this loud and clear. They know it. So have we
>> they've heard it publicly from us at least twice at two big meetings. >> I feel like Whoville? Really? >> What did you say? >> I feel like Whoville? >> I feel like Groundhog Day. Wasn't that yesterday? Say >> I mean I And to hit your other point about, you know, alternate um or excuse
me um >> other access points, etc. You know, we don't really have any other access points that are available at this point. Um, there was one that was that was barricaded off that was not even ever a road. That was a maintenance
>> easement >> and it was never a road. So, the fact that we had access there because people over time, me being one of them, used the maintenance easement because it was there. I ain't going to lie to you, you know, and it made it very difficult to take my daughter to the 140th park to do
flag football when she was in seventh and eighth grade and stuff like that. But let me tell you, I did it right because the amount of traffic that got cut down because of that gate, >> just the dump truck traffic going into the acreage to build houses, >> unbelievable, >> exponential. So, I think I think I can
say, and y'all type up if I'm wrong, we don't have any other outlets >> and we need to maintain that we don't have any other outlets. So the outlet that came up at the after the um specific accident that you were referring to on Southern Boulevard was and I think you all know this is that
everybody decided to come through on Collecting Canal Road. And Collecting Canal is not built to to have that kind of traffic come through. But there were so many complaints of traffic coming through there. >> Yeah. And I don't want to it's a
difficult situation. >> It absolutely is. But right, I mean, you know, the the the fact that people are just left to a whim of where to go >> because >> clearly nobody knew where they were going because I had two people, one who was probably going 30 plus down my
little dirt road on the other side of collecting Canal Road to the to the dead end and turned around and then came back and I yelled at him, of course. um you know and then he honked when he went by on the other side and then hit the speed bump and you know >> I mean it yeah there's there's I mean
what are you going to do in an emergency situation? >> We there there's no way we have 20 people to direct traffic. I mean that's just the way it is. But I mean yeah any other outlets I mean and maybe we need to work on some kind of routing system and and work with folks to maybe define
this. But my last point, I'm sorry to blabber, but you know, when I was, you know, I'm 51 now, so when I was 16, right, the town to our east had its own police force. And I remember if you went 31 miles an hour down Okachobee, you got
pulled over. 31. The speed limit was 30. And if you hit 31, I have a guy that works with me. He's telling me a story about how he got he got followed from his house in Royal Ascot which is on the west side of Seminal Pratt into Royal Palm and the lights came on, right? But
he was exceeding back down the road. But so I I think if we can, you know, we need to on this topic, the the the the two, you know, the two lane is a definite, but you know, enforcing that whatever we got to do to keep that get
that the red speed back up and enforce that speed limit because that right there because I can tell you nobody I mean nobody drove over 30 mph down Okachobee through Royal Palm back in the day. So this is all part of whatever
happens. This is the message that we need to keep the the drum that we need to keep beating. I think >> thank you for that input. Additionally, um >> sorry, >> not not to harp on it again, but the roundabouts would have been such a huge thing had we moved forward that eight years ago or whatever it was. You know,
I was on the council then. You worked with us. you brought us gold basically to get those done and the next council washed it down the toilet and they did it based on misinformation and scare tactics and that sort of thing about oh we're going to spend all this money and it's going to get dug up in three years
it's a county road all this nonsense and that happens here all the time misinformation is spread and very good things don't happen because of that misinformation so I'm going to support 100% like everybody else up here two lanes keep it slow roundabouts everything that we can do to make it
back to the road that we moved here for, right? Not with all this crazy congestion and all that. We don't want that. We, you know, the cutoff got closed back there and I'm ecstatic that it was closed, right? And I moved here with two two exits and now I only have one. And I'm happy. And I can assure you
that community out there that wants another exit, if all of the uh traffic could go through their community, they wouldn't want a second exit either, right? They would say, "Whoa, whoa. We don't want all this through our community. This is where we're at. We don't want it through our community either. So, whatever we can do to keep
the traffic and reduce the traffic on Okobee and make it safer for our people. Thank you. >> Thank you on that. Okachobee Boulevard. I'm going to move on to the operations maintenance that you asked us for. It has gone back and forth. The only thing that we can find at this moment um and I
don't know if any other uh staff have been able to find anything but as far as agreements for Okachobee Boulevard and the culvert specifically that you brought up is a South Florida Water Management District permit to put the culverts in by Palm Beach County. Palm
Beach County uh engineering and road bridge are both looking into this because there's all kinds of different um discussion is what happened with water the water control district and and those executive directors. Um so we're still working on that just so you know.
Okay. The other thing is the the traffic with the two schools. I want to give you just a real quick update. This Royal Palm Beach Elementary has gotten better, but it's still not where it probably needs to be. There's a task force with Palm Beach County uh engineering and the
school district that works on elements within the schools and issues with parking. However, Royal Palm Beach has successfully worked with the uh charter school at the southern end of Folsam or Crestwood, I should say, and that has
significantly improved. Um, so you know, that's where you are with it. I know that was council direction. I want to go over a couple little things. Are there any questions on any of those yet? Uh, grants. So primarily what we needed to do originally when when I began this
endeavor with um your staff and at you all's direction we needed to do a consolidation and overall grant management um because there really were a couple of people that few people three people that were actually doing different grants and that kind of thing.
what we made as a top priority and I know it was your supervisor El Ramy and I'm sorry Councilman El Remy and also um Mayor Kaine was grants grants grants. So we decided because this grants are a
long game. You're not doing a sprint. You are doing a marathon. you might put in for a grant and then have to continuously put in modify how you're putting it in what you're putting in etc. So what we strategically decided to
do was to first do your commerce g grants because under your department of commerce you had no matching and in order to not have matching that's a huge huge savings to the town. So by
strategically putting those in, we did the planning grants which we did not only the Southern Boulevard corridor which by the way has been in for three decades in all of your plans and cherettes. I was shocked to see it but I
knew it needed to be in if it was going to be a priority. The other three that we put in were specifically for a comprehens comprehensive equestrian plan uh that would basically help us as far as an economic what find out what is an
economic engine with the equestrian industry because it's huge. As those of you that were at the last uh chamber lunchon last week, you see how much money and everything is being generated. We don't have enough information to even
state how many equestrians we have in this town at a time. We know it's a lot. We just don't have the statistics to really get the grants and things that we need, which was this other planning grant that we put in. Another one had to do with the tree canopy because that's
always a highlight on your your list of things. And then another one was dis uh excuse me, disaster recovery and resilience. And that's always the generators and everything that we want to put and and to harden the infrastructure in these buildings. Sadly, we don't get to pick which grant
they give us. So, they gave us the $75,000 grant, but it's with no matching. Um, we did do the listening sessions, you know, as far as that goes between all of the waterworks, all of the different grants, between FURDAP,
Florida Trails and Greenways. Um trying to think of who else. Uh FD Solid Waste Authority. I know that there's an agenda item that you have as a receive and file in your agenda. There's over $32 million worth of grants
that were put in that have no matching if they are underneath the rural designation. Now, a long time ago, a very smart person who happens to be in our in our
in our midst, Commissioner, former commissioner, county commissioner McKinley had stated to me, you know, it's going to be impossible for us to, you know, receive the rural designation because, you know, the the economic part is the difficult part to say. And I know
that Councilwoman Remy had stated things before that, you know, we thought it was impossible. We tried, we were turned down at the time. The other part of what was said, and I want to make sure you all know, is that kudos to Ron Book and
Ra Brown who ended up getting our designation because that is hugely significant in the grant scheme. Hopefully, we can get it back. I mean, we decided to tap in on that. And since we did put these grants in before our
designation fell off, we still, if we do get them on the rural infrastructure part, we still will have the non-matching. So, you know, we really really pushed hard and I think over $32 million worth of, you know, request is
significant. Um, I'm going to just say that we've been working with WEAG a lot on the crossings, not over not only with ideas to come up with for Okachobee, but also sea and collecting canal. There's a little bit of hiccups there when we did
the equestrian PSA for you all at no cost to you. Um, the red guy committee actually volunteered to help and they were spectacular. So were the young ladies that put it together from the high school, Seminal Ridge. But there's a couple of things that like on B- Road
and Publix, we can't have crossings like it's set up there. It's just, you know, I'm going back to my days in Palm Beach County doing risk management. It's we we have to get this under control. So, we're working diligently with them and they've been so great as far as working
this way. Um, we're presently working with parks and recreation in Palm Beach County and trying to get enhancements to this park. Um, so I think without anything more, I think that's enough of an update unless you all want anything else. I'll sit down and be quiet. >> Well, not saying I remembered what I
wanted to say to Kim. Um, when doing and since you're part of that, um, when doing the commerce grant, you know, the whole visioning for Southern um, as you talked about, you know, looking at the design and how it fits, etc. So, we do have
Rule Vista that's been firmed up and ready for approval once we're allowed to do that again. Um, yeah. So, if we could use that, refer to that new document. I believe Jeff has a copy. Um, that that would probably be
beneficial if we're doing if there's any kind of design. It talks about we widen buffers and things like that. So, if you're referring to the current uldc, >> you know, this is the aspiration. Absolutely. >> For when we get the ability to approve. So, >> absolutely. >> Thank you, Mary. >> Anything else from any of you all?
>> Is the CPTA is that is that the Southern Boulevard corridor comprehensive? >> No. Comprehensive uh transportation master plan is every comprehensive plan technical assistance grant from commerce. >> Oh, yes. I'm so sorry. >> That is the Southern Boulevard.
>> That is Southern Boulevard corridor. Correct. And if you all have a copy of it, you know, just so there's no misinformation and we're not throwing out anything else, the deliverables are very clear. It is it is exactly what Kim said. You basically are going to, you
know, listen to input and and add what it is that you know you want and you don't you can take it, not take it, do whichever. Um, but we did have this grant one time before when I worked for you all. We got it through Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council, but it
was a $50,000 matching grant. So technically, this is much better because it's 75,000 no matching and they'll do it for that. >> Well, and as many people have discussed in the past, you know, all all a lot of these grants that are building grants or infrastructure grants, you know, there's
engineering and things like this that have to be involved, >> right? So, you have to be quote unquote shovel ready um for these projects. I mean, they've already been they've already been designed. They've already been, you know, everything's been flushed out, how it's going to work, how it's going to impact da da da da,
>> right before you get to the point of even being able to apply for the grant. So, this I think this 75k that's, you know, actually putting us in a closer space than we were even 10 years ago to to defining the corridor. That doesn't
mean that the map that you saw on the screen, let me be clear. The map you saw on the screen is not defining the quarter. Okay, we are not this is a study. Okay, so I just want to be clear that's not defining the corridor. I think that there's a clear definition somewhere
back on some old documents of where the court order wanted to be defined which is Tangerine. Um I think a lot of us you know that's what we remember that's what we where we think but the reality is there nothing codified that nothing put that steadfast and that's how you know
solar sport happened that's how >> it's in the comprehensive plan >> but it's not it's not >> it's not this is where it is >> it is in the comprehensive plan. >> Okay that doesn't that doesn't c that doesn't say this is where it is >> in the comprehensive plan.
>> I understand it's in the comprehensive plan. master document, >> but it's a plan. >> It's a master document. >> It's a comprehensive plan. It's a plan. I hate to use the A word, but a plan is an aspirational document. >> Todd will tell you county has to abide by our comprehensive plan. The plan.
>> All I'm saying is I think that's how it got away with it. Whatever. I think this is going to put us in a better spot to put some zoning regulations in and other other tools that are going to be better than just being listed in a comprehensive plan down here in a footnote somewhere. So I I I think we're
in a better spot. >> If I could, Madame Mayor, one thing also is that the amount of resources that goes into each one of these grants is so there's so much work that goes into it. Not only are you getting letters of, you know, support. We ended up getting
letter of support from Palm Beach County Engineering and Administration on our crossings and everything for for and and roundabouts for Okachobee. So we've set ourselves up and that's even more recently. Okay. While the other is going on, there's so much work that goes into
it. And you know, it's just sad when there's miscommunication and misinformation given out there because it this truly can be your vision for what goes on and it will be in addition to anything, but you can approve it or
not approve it. Decide what you want for it. So, I thank you all. >> Hey, Mr. McLe. >> Yeah. I just wanted to point out and thank Mary for what she does for us. You don't just bring us checks, you bring us cooperation with other entities. You know, I remember years ago when you said
if there was anything you can imagine in the town, what would it be? And I said, roundabout at Folsman Noachchovi, but you'll never get the county to agree to that. So, I'm not even going to ask you to do that. I remember that like yesterday. And you said, "Watch me." >> And we did. And >> with with Melissa's help, it happened.
So, it wasn't just the money that you brought to the table. It was the cooperation of getting the county to to care about us and to make some changes for us. You can't put a dollar amount on those things. You know, no different than the extension and working for there no dollar amount for that. But just that cooperation, we wouldn't have that
without you being here representing us. Thank you. >> Well, I thank you. But I have to say it's also your community, your community input. I mean, we were very very, you know, harsh when we you all were there for a lot of those meetings. In fact, uh, uh, Councilman Ron Gerald was there
at the time and going back and forth and everything. He's like, "Mary, I'm not sure about this, but I'm thinking we should go ahead and try it, you know." And I it it was a lot of give and take, you know, and in hindsight, boy, it would be really nice to have that out
there right now to give us a little bit more buffer. Just saying. But, you know, it was absolutely the council, the councils, and the community. So, I appreciate that. Thank you. Is there anything else for me? >> No, there's no public comment or anything, is there? Okay. All right.
We're on to item. Thank you, Mary. We're on to item number four. >> Mr. Ramsey, we're all on pins and needles for this one. >> Did you talk five words or less? >> No. >> Hi, good evening. Uh Ramsey Balkley. So
sitting in the audience listening um everything sounds great what we've just discussed this evening but it's all for not if they aren't enforced correct so needless to say we're in the business now of enforcing all the rules that are in place in lockahhatche doing them fairly and equitably um we're not
changing anything they've all been there for quite some time just a lot of people have been taking advantage of a lot of different things so the last uh probably month or so been working with staff Karen's been helping and doing doing a great job with her staff. And we started down number one, training staff to make
sure that they understand what's going on. And number two, we started with essentially the bad or the bad um going forward. And we've probably sent out today roughly about 10 pretty large uh notice of violations and um we will
continue doing that on a on a weekly basis as we go through and review. What I'm going to do is sit over there and drive you through some of the properties that we have issues through and a lot of this will be a bit of a Q&A because some of these are some sort of technical in
nature. But I also want to be able to explain what we're doing and also show how bad some of these things are out there, how bad they are and how they >> we know >> are affecting. Well, I thought I knew until we really start digging and it's it's worse than I thought, which is
which is good because I think we're pretty good at going to enforce these, but um you know, we're going to have a lot of this is one of the rare jobs you have doing code enforcement where you do a great job and the same amount of people hate you and the same people love you. So, it's one of those types of things. I want to go sit over there and
start uh going through just some of the the examples that we went through today just to show you some of the things and how, you know, everyone's complaining about traffic in Okobee. >> I think some of the trips we found today, we could probably cut 100 to 200 trips just in a couple properties that we've just, you know, without blinking
an eye. Um, and and we're not taking revenue away from the town because the vast majority of these folks are are don't are not paying taxes on any of these activities. They're paying taxes on vacant land with full-blown commercial operations. Um, so it's all about being fair. No new rules. The
rules have been in place since way back in the county days. It's just a matter of now we we're enforcing them equally and fairly. And I'm not making the decisions. Town managers are making decisions. If we get into an argument in neutral, the magistrate is going to ultimately make the call. But it's all
the rules that have been in place uh since essentially day one. So I'm going to jump over there. While I'm walking over there, if you got any questions that pop up, please don't hesitate to ask. And I'll let Karen >> stand here while I >> a little shorter than he is. Um, so I
wanted I have a memo to give out as well as wanted to provide a letter that we're going to be sending to all the properties along Okchobee. So I'm going to give this I've g given it to the clerk already so she can post it on the website so everybody will get a benefit as well. Receive. Thank you.
>> Motion to receive a so move. >> Second. Second. All in favor? >> Thank you, Karen. >> Thank you. >> Oh, there's another one. >> Oh, yeah. Memo. Here's the letter.
>> Thank you. Are you start on one end and go down or are you just picking out C? >> So, I'm just going to I'm just going to pick out just a few ones that we just that are fresh in our mind that we did today. We did some some last week as well, but I just want to, you know, a lot of people think, well,
it's not a big deal. Who cares, right? But it's a big deal when you start when you start peeling back the the layers of the onion. It becomes a big deal. So, I'm just going to pop this. picking on anyone, but these are just some of the things that we're going to be doing. And so hopefully folks take this seriously and if they've got questions, come talk
to us. We actually had a really nice discussion with a legitimate agricultural person today, laid it all out. And it's interesting, the the real legitimate ones, they'll open the doors to you for you to come have a look if they're legitimate. Uh because they're not hiding anything. We had some great discussion today and I think we've sent
him on his way to get what he needs to do to be 100% legitimate and fit within what the town is supposed to be. So, uh, that being said, and and Karen, please feel free to jump in. I'm just going to talk. Please jump in. Ask me questions,
any concerns with anything and how we go about doing things. I'm I'm all ears and I'm here to answer as much as I can. I'm trying to get up to speed as quick as I can. Um, so just bear with me on that. So, uh, we'll start on this this parcel here. Now, this parcel here, look at the
property appraiser and it's a single family. Well, clearly there's a lot more than a single family going on there. Um, so obviously this is being cited and some of the things that come, you know, that that come to to bear here are what's actually sitting on this ground?
What are in these vehicles? you know, you've got oil, you've got hydraulic fluid, you've got all these kinds of things. It's all sitting on dirt. If they are leaking, they're leaking right into the the aquifer. Um, and but this is all just it's this guy. I'm assuming it's this guy's property. None of these
have approvals. I think one or two of these have approvals as storage bonds, but that's it. Um, you got another parcel here. It's also vacant. Now, the taxes on these are vacant property. It's not vacant. it's full of employees going
in and out. So, these two are getting one. Um, and then here too, there's some issues here that are going to be straightening out. So, if you would just count up these vehicles and you can without getting into all the details, go through some historical aerials and start seeing the amount of vehicles that
are here, you can start seeing how many trips, illegal trips I would say, are being generated by these uses that are not allowed. So, this is what's going to happen. Now, hopefully these folks will comply. Um and if they need more time, ask for more time, give us some
reasonable justification, you know, but if we do have to go to magistrate, then that's exactly what we're going to do. Um Karen, you got anything on on on that one? >> Uh the only thing that I do want to say and one of the things that we did hear from council is we are doing a comprehensive approach in regards to the
properties. So it's not just one of those that we're just looking at a sign and we're leaving. We're really taking a look at the uses, at the accesses, at the uh storage, anything that's going on, FDA's tree removal. Um really taking
a comprehensive look to see how that property has changed from its original um you know, design to where it is today. >> I have one thing. Neither um Karen nor Ramsey have yet mentioned the level of
county cooperation has grown exponentially since Ramsey came on. They have opened in addition to what's in the letter that Karen just gave you 12 cases. Um I know some of you have seen them actively pursuing those cases.
You'll see that some of the signs that are in non-compliance were actually yanked out. um they're not small and significant signs. We're also getting a whole lot of partnership and looking at potentially borrowing staff to get extra
manpower on Okobee >> along with that with the the county has been great helping with the the the signs in the rightway, the illegal vendors. Um additional the curb curb stoning which is the illegal sale of vehicles and public rideways. They've started to address that with some of
their road patrol as well. Um, so that's been good and getting some overlap with some of their code folks because they're enforcing the rightway issues which everything seems to cross over and since this was essentially the old county code is very much the same. They very much
know what's going on there um with that. Here's another example of something. This is a single family. That's all that's approved on here. Um, so when we go look here, obviously you've got all of this tractor trailer parking, all this illegal clearing, all this nice
vegetation's been removed. Who knows what's in these trailers. Um, I know when the county had big issues, you know, you could have chlorine in these trailers, you can have diesel, you can have hydraulic fluid, you could have whatever fertilizer. >> Is that a home? There's a home there. >> Yeah. So, this is a single family house. Um, now, and also what I'm showing you
here is everyone has access to this the Geonav. So, you can you can get anything you pretty much want about pretty much any property in the county through this portal. Um, I'll get some more pictures to load here. So, you can really sit at home and drive around and see really
what's what's what's going on. You can date, you can go back dates and you can kind of see when the activity started. Um, you know, some people are on the up and up. Here's a picture. You can see, you know, everything's looking pretty much good. A couple containers there, but you got all this nice all these nice
trees. They're all gone and replaced with this or without a permit. Now, they're not parking there for free, I'm sure. Um, >> in what time period? Two years. >> Um, >> I think it was two years. It was I think it's in 2023. I was trying to read it, but it's very small. >> Yeah.
>> And I'm jumping around, but I can speak to each of you individually if you'd like or however you would like to do it. >> But, you know, and also part of this is it's it's somewhat like the broken window theory. When people see people doing doing it, they think they can do it. So, then they go ahead and do it. So, you know, we're going to have to put a stop to all of this. So, this this is
another example of, you know, a real real big issue. Um, and these are just some of the ones we did we addressed just today. Here's another one. Now, here we're next to a daycare with kids well in septic. And you got all these vehicles. None of this is supposed to be
there. This is supposed to be a single family. They originally they had some egg for this obviously that's derelct structures, but I think we counted like 35 cars or something. Yeah, this is this is not good. So, they're going to have to deal with this
um and clean up because it's impacting everyone else. Add all these properties up, it just progressively adds more and more traffic, wear and tear on the roads. I mean, the list goes on. Um and also I welcome if people have legitimate
approvals, we will stand by them and just come show us. We've done all the research. If you've done better research than us, great. we will look at it. So those are a few of them. If you want I can keep keep going but I don't you know >> I certainly appreciate that and you then
that you have found things that were perhaps hidden to even some of us but my questions centered more around well I mean I'll just go ahead and say it. Let's talk about Bright View who's so far outside of their what they they got
an approval from a previous council for a very limited amount of what's going on there. Since then, they've installed, I think it's five gas tanks, um, which they never had permission to do. And the amount of traffic that is coming in and
out of there is is unbelievable. So, >> um, and they've been in violation now for a very long period of time. So what what are you able to do about somebody like that who says, "Well, we have a legitimate right to be here and but yes,
you have a legitimate right to be here doing X, but you're doing Y Z ABC. You're doing all of this other stuff." >> So So saying they have a right and actually having a right obviously two different things that we've found out. For instance, a bright view, we're in the process of reviewing all the
approvals. The approvals aren't so cut and dry as you as you would think because they've been kind of piece meal together. So with something like that, you know, I I can't go, for lack of a better term, halfcocked. I need to get all the information and that's what we're in the process of getting all of this before we get go deal with them. So
we're in the process of doing bright view. We just have a few more bits of information to to do before we get them. Keep in mind the town has the ability to foreclose on these properties and to find them significantly, particularly when it comes to life safety type issues, which could be the leeching into the aquifer, which could be traffic
sight triangle issues. Those are significant fines. um that would be labored on these properties. So the answer quick answer to Bright View, it's probably going to be handled next week or the week after. Um we're in the process of gathering all the material. There's multiple different areas we've
got to get information here and warehouses from the county and online to make sure we've got everything before we pull the trigger on sometime. >> Okay. Well, let let me be a little more clear because I think this is where the frustration lies. >> We've heard that before. >> Okay. Not from me. not from you, but
that it's being handled. So, it's been in the process of supposedly being handled now >> for literally years or kicked down the road for literally years. So, when you tell me that perhaps next week or the week after, I'll certainly willing to give you time to have all your ducks in a row, I'm not because we want you to be
able to take action. Are you saying that perhaps next week or the week after you're going to be able to give them an ov or are you saying perhaps next week or the week after you're going to be able to shut down this illegal like well I I want to know. >> So we have to follow the processing a
one-year process that >> again it depends. I have to see certain violations are more critical than others. Um you know if we've got a potential leaking things uh those are >> must be handled immediately. So, I can't tell you what and where and how with
that particular one cuz I haven't explored all the options yet. But I can tell you sitting here and recently being hired to help this. This is that's what we're going to be doing. You're going to have to comply. That's just how it is. I don't know any other way about it, but
you're just going to have to. >> Francine, you had >> Yes. I'm I'm really just going to do a short intro for Karen. that property has been NOV and you know the answer to code is to allow someone to avail themselves to other parts of the code. They have
made many or at least several attempts to try to present something to us that we would accept. Karen has turned them all down and the next round is to meet with Ramsay and Karen. So Karen, if you want,
I mean, we don't like to talk about the code enforcement in detail, but um >> Well, I mean, I'm sorry. I had to bring up a specific one that I know is egregious. I I hate to bring up and I know we're not supposed to talk about it and we're not supposed to be involved, but again, I think that an enormous
amount of the community frustration comes from the fact that we have >> five to 10 really egregious offenders along Okchobee Boulevard. And like I said, while these other ones you're finding fabulous, fantastic. I'm not saying that. But but what I think this
council is committed to is getting those five to 10 egregious offenders. We're not going to turn a blind eye. We've made it very clear. We're not turning a blind eye to that any longer and we're not allowing that to happen. We want that taken care of. So I think that's that's what I'm saying. And I mean, you
know, that bright view thing, we've been talking about that now for like a year, but those five gas tanks still sit there. >> That's that's not okay. >> Right. So as Francine has said, I have said the same thing to them is that this is no longer going to be permissible. Again, your point is well taken just the
they do have some authority. They have a site plan approval, but they can't go beyond the site plan approval. So it doesn't mean that just because they have a site plan that they can do whatever they want, which I think is what Ramsay was saying. So we just like we said, we just need to get our ducks in line. you
know, code is not a fast process, you know, and you know, I'm not not excusing what how we got to where we did. Um, you know, I always say, you know, certain circumstances we have different tools available to us. Um, you know, we just recently got the citations in place. So,
obviously, we could try to use that as as a tool. Um, you know, Ramsay's indicated live health safety. Again, if we need to do immediate or irreparable damage, but we have to be able to prove that. you know, it's not always what we say, it's what we can prove. So, um, you know, I do want to assure that Ramsey
and I are working in order to try to get as many of these addressed as we can. And that one is on our list that we have to address. And >> and on that one particularly, and some other ones similar, and this is where the research comes into play, there may be the ability, if they've gone that far
out of the approval to bring it back to a status report in front of the board to make some other decisions to what should happen with that property. It's some legal ramblings in there, but I'll those are some of the things I'm looking at all the options. Uh I know in the county that's what we we did. You go that far out of your group or you're coming back
to the board and the board may just strip it from you period. That's one of the options we're looking at. If it's a viable option, we'll do it. >> Thank you. Anybody else have any questions or comments? >> Yeah. Um I I think it's about time that
um these commercial operations uh are uh made to address the the rightful um amount of money that they should be paying to the town for for what they're doing. I mean, they're they're they're
basically destroying our our dream and our hopes by um the businesses that they're they're bringing in in violation of of what they're really allowed, >> right? And if you you can sit at home and you can figure this out all from this website and you can see the you
know I know there's homesteads and things like that with you know caps on the values but you can see what a single family taxable value is and what they're paying and that the very next door you can have the same single family kind of home with a massive commercial paying the same but they're probably pulling in
30 or 40 grand a month on extra >> things that they shouldn't be able to. they they have to have a way of coming to an end for for this. I mean, we can't just go in and lock the gate and say you're done.
>> Uh we kind of can because we can foreclose on it and yes, we can lock the gate and they can be done if we can go through all the legal steps to get a foreclosure in place. Absolutely. >> Okay. But I mean this is a rampant thing throughout our whole town, all the commercial. I mean, if you went up and
down the letter road, um >> I I I have and you know, the only way to eat an elephant is a bite of a at a time. So, >> I'm I'm biting. Um but we only got what one and a half, two and a half code officers. We need more. Um you know, and
it's it I mean, I can ramble this stuff because I've done it for a long time, but you know, it takes some training. We need some more boots in the ground to get this. This is not doesn't come just overnight. You can't do this, you can't do that. I mean, several of them are loyal lawyered up, which is totally fine, but it it's not as easy as you did
this wrong, you did that wrong. We have to prep cases to go in front of the magistrate because we want to win. More importantly than that, we want to win on appeal and make this thing bulletproof. Um, we're not doing this half-hearted. It's uh but it does just take some some time and preparation. It pulls a lot of
resources to do it properly. Well, I know that for 20 years the residents have been saying Okachobee, Okchobee, Okachchobee, you know, but all the letter roads, too. I I'm I'm getting
there. It's just I'm I'm picking them up as we go. If I had a staff of 50, I could keep 50 code offices busy all day long, every day for the next two years, and still not get through everything. We're we're we're getting there. Let's get some traction. And I'm hopeful folks that are watching this are going to do
some voluntary compliance and say, you know what, maybe it's not worth going down this road and come to us like this gentleman did today with his a use and and clean it up prior to us having to take all this action and be be good neighbors because it's hurting the other folks in the neighborhood. Well, I know
it has been frustrating uh through the years to watch residents just thumb their nose at um people who come from, you know, the town staff and and try to get a handle on what's going
on, you know, illegally. I mean, they're doing things illegally and they're just thumbming their nose at uh at the officers that show up. >> Well, they can thumb all day long if they want. Um that's not a problem. Then they got to thumb in front of a magistrate. That's too not a problem.
And you know when the sheriff comes there to foreclose, you know, you can thumb your nose at that too. But that's we're going through all the processes and I'm not going to stop till it's done done legitimately, fairly, equitably, and properly. >> Um, it just does take a little bit of time.
>> That there is a ray of sunlight >> beginning to shine through. >> Yeah. >> Okay, Francine, real quick, >> just a couple things to keep in perspective. one, those properties have been in code compliance with NOVs and
those different property owners have availed themselves to other portions of the code and been denied. So that's that's the first thing. The second thing is there was nothing done on those properties for close to 20 years. So we
are catching up in the last several years on deferred code compliance on activities that were going on. And the third thing I would point out is if you take a look at the metrics for our code and it points out what I believe Ramsay
is saying, we have continued to carry a backlog of up to 200 cases because we can only open and clear something on the order of 30 to 50 a month uh um a quarter. And I would I would ask for
Karen to speak more to this because uh when she got here we had a backlog of about 200. That's not including RVs. That's not including all that. The RVs were 240 and we only had 60 outstanding I think when she got here. So, um I just
in fairness on the metrics and to what Ramsay has said, we do not have the capacity to do it as fast as we all want to do it. And when we're dealing with the properties, we are dealing with
attorneys. Um and God knows how many different studies, different experts that they bring in bring to us. But I agree with Ramsay and Karen's unique combination of abilities, we may just be taking them forward here if we have
enough information. And of course, if our town attorney agrees with that approach. >> Hey Todd, I think you are next. >> So, did I understand you right? If somebody had a um site plan approved and special use approved and that sort of thing, and it's so egregious how they're
outside of that, that could be removed. It could, but that brings me back to the research I got to do. I got to do I got to research how that site plan came to be, how it was approved, go through the minutes, go what was said at the hearing. It takes a lot, but usually there is a catch all. And again, I have
to just go and verify that you can bring projects back on a status report if they are that bad. But I can't do that until I verify how they actually got those approvals. So I I do have to look into that and and if there is there, usually there is. I hope there is on these all
these then yes, we can we can do that. >> I'm I'm glad to see these aerials because some people I talk to, we talk about code enforcement. They're like, "Oh, we moved out here to not have code enforcement in our backyard." And I'm like, "No, you don't understand. Some of these things are aren't like one broke down bus in your backyard. These things
are huge, egregious, and they're profit machines for most of these, right? This isn't like somebody's just a junk collector. They're renting spots, commercial industrial spots, and operating industrial businesses. This isn't like some just like I said a junk collector and and and let's let's see let's let's let's start from the
beginning with that. The the cost to purchase you're not purching commercial. You're purchasing residential. Lower than commercial. Uh you're not paying impact fees because it's residential. Uh you're not paying for your attorneys, your planners, your engineers to design your site. You're not paying for any of that. You're just doing it willy-nilly
how you feel you should do it. Then you're not paying for the taxes. Um I mean the list keeps you're not paying for the monitoring. you're not paying for all the other permits you got to get. You're not paying for the building permits. You're not paying for the impact fee. It just keeps on and on and on. So, yeah, you can have two properties side by side being identical
in use, one paying 2,000 um in taxes and the other one paying literally 100,000, one being legitimate and one not with the exact same use. So, yeah, um a lot of folks have gotten away with doing a whole bunch of things that they shouldn't have done free and clear with
not paying a dime. And you know, now it's just, hey, the rules have been in place the whole time and now we're enforcing them. And everyone feel free to go on the county's Gunav website. You can look at what's there. You can look at the historicals. You can do 3Ds. You can look at the taxes. You can look at
everything. It's it's no secret. So if the folks are are watching or looking at this, hopefully they will start trying to come into compliance or at least meeting with us and saying, "All right, I may or may not have a problem. Please help." and then we can work with them to do something that gets us out of the town and where it needs to be.
>> Lisa, I believe you were next. >> Uh, I appreciated that we got the chance to to meet individually and I appreciate the toolbox that you bring to this process. Uh, I think Francine alluded a little bit to the ponderous nature of the timeline on getting these things
taken care of. So, now that you've gotten eyeballs on the extent of our problem, do you have a timeline where we're going to be getting these brought forward? And >> I don't have a timeline because every
puppy's unique, but these are these you're going to start hearing some folks complaining probably starting next week. Um, and and it's just going to keep on. I'm coming here. >> I'm not talking about a timeline to launch. I'm talking about you're talking about a a process of between 90 days to
two years per property to get these things through the process. Correct. >> Correct. You you're correct. And that's up to statute and judges. I don't I don't make that. Um all I can do is make sure it's done properly. So that
>> I'm trying to put a realistic cap on this for people. Right. You're talking 90 days for those that go, "Oh, my bad." and they'll immediately comply, which is probably very few. And then you're going to have the ones that are going to dig in and the particular property that has a development order that says the town
can shut them down if they are out of compliance 100%. And I think that you and I spoke that I have grave concerns that our current staff process is very effective with the
magistrate process. We see it almost every magistrate meeting where the town has not brought forward the proper paperwork, hasn't provided the proper timeline or hasn't um you know followed a proper protocol. So I hope that you can rectify that.
>> Well, part of what I'm doing here is some training. part of the training will be some of our folks will be doing some agenda reviews with some of the county attorneys and I keep going back to the county because that's I'm familiar with that and they've all around here and they've done all of this before uh under
my guidance. So >> pockets >> well yeah but this is fundamentally fairly straightforward. >> I understand but they can help us because they have deeper pockets and like you said they have it's not their first road yet. >> Right. So, I'm just having our staff piggy back instead of us hiring all
kinds of consultants to train them. Let's go sit at the county and see how they do. So, you guys are are adequately prepared when you present hearings. I'm going to be a lot more involved because now I've been at some of these things from beginning uh in some of these hearings and yes, you know, be a little bit potentially more aggressive, but we
got to get the job done. I mean, that's just >> as we approach our strategic plan this evening, this is going to be a costheavy lift. This is not going to be something where we're going to cut back on the magistrate's budget. We may be looking at increasing magistrate time.
>> Absolutely. >> Clear some of the background. Maybe an additional magistrate. >> Abs. Absolutely. The county has eight that we cycle through. We'll do I think we'll do what whatever it takes. You know, I and we just I don't have any other words other than it just has to be done. This is getting out of control. I
live in an AR type area. Yeah. I wouldn't want this next to me. I think it's blatantly unfair. Um, and it's ruining the town. I don't live around here. >> Well, I think much like our cutthrough getting shut down and we saw massive decrease in traffic setting the clock back 20 years on the north side of town.
>> I think we'll see an at least a decade of traffic reduction through our lettered roads and and some of these other issues that we're facing. And I appreciate the >> by closing some of these. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree. and and perhaps some um compliance
from others who see Oh, there there is. Yes. Self-epporting, right? You got it. Yeah. >> And and you know, it's right now there's there's just so many so you see them everywhere. And I think hopefully once these start willing away, they'll start sticking out of sore thumbs and people
will be able to see them a lot clearer. But now you drive down a street, if everything looks the same and looks commercial, you think it's commercial. I'm hopeful that after some time it's resident residential and you see this massive commercial, okay, there must be an issue and those get get dealt with a lot easier. Um, and also, you know, feel
free anyone can turn in a violation, turn in a complaint, go online, send them to us, we'll go look. Uh, there was also a little bit of previously code and not just this one, other other code departments too. When a complaint came in about one item, they addressed that
one item and that's it. We're not doing that. This is comprehensive. When there's a complaint on one item, we go to the property and we'll address all the issues that are at stake on that property and not just pick and choose. So, it's it's all in. >> Paul, you had a question. >> Yeah. I No, I you kind of what I was
going to say. I think I think we're going to see that once the word gets out, which is getting out now, and I'm sure that the people down the road are talking to their neighbors and going, "Oh my god." Because I, you know, I keep telling the story about stand at Publix and listen to this guy telling another guy, "Oh, just go buy five acres and
locks at your gross." And you park dump trucks and trailers on it, charge $300 a trailer a month, and then, you know, just ride it out and when it gets too much, you just jump out, you know, and you'll make plenty of money. So, I think once this really starts rolling, you
know, like you said, there's a lot of some of these there's a lot of research, you know, you got conflicting approvals and things like that. That's going to take time. Um, but you know, and everybody hates to hear me say that, you know, code enforcement takes time, but it does. And I think we're going to see a lot more compliance because it's really it's not fair to legitimate businesses that are there. Not just the
the residential business, the residential homes, but you know, you're paying um, you know, for a vacant lot, which is pennies, and you're running a full commercial business on it, or you're paying a prices and you're, you know, parking trailers. I mean, yeah. So
I I it's coming >> and to that you know I haven't seen it here yet but I'm sure it's out there. You know brokers sometimes you know tell folks well look yeah buy this house then you can park all your tractor trailers here and they take that to the bank and buy a house and thinking
they can do that. It's not necessarily the case. Uh and that happens a lot. You also have external pressures more so you know since everything you can see on the screen now you know the county take the manure the manure has been kicked out the county for the most part it's coming here tractor trailers kicked out the
county they're coming here all this stuff's coming here why path of least resistance well we're not going to be the path of least resistance anymore enforce all these rules >> well I think I speak for all of us when I say thank you for digging in and keep
up the good work um and Are there any public comments? Have no public com. Okay. Um, thank you both for being here and for your hard work. We appreciate it. >> Hydray hydrated. It's a marathon. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Thanks, Ramsey. >> Um, I need a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> Motion to approve consent. Second. All >> in favor? I oppose. Passes five to zero. On to number 11.
discussion of strategic priorization framework >> facilitation proposal and next steps number 11 >> and closed with this agenda item which is a summary of many other conversations
about it is a suggestion and staff recommendation that we take the very very good and very consistent discussion at the um last five months of
workshops and have a facilitated conversation so we can put them in some terms of um consensus priorities and time frame. Um because while the list is 20 items, it's 20 topics, not 20 items.
Um and each topic may take you know 30 days to you know 5 years depending on what the topic is and additionally besides just the topic um I think we have the issue of the funding and I
think that whenever we're doing anything we have to pick a few good thing a few things and do those well. So, um, it's really only practicable to to try to go through a facilitated process when you
have that this much historically not addressed. A lot of the plan and a lot of the topics your discussion discussing were included in the um fight for incorporation. A lot of it was
included in the early neighborhood plan. A lot of it was included in the actual strategic plan and a corresponding business plan that was done through the American Assembly process. Um, in 2008,
we did a solicitation, we had focus groups, we had, you know, an entire year's worth of effort into it and it did produce a document that we still continue to talk about but have not yet implemented. We went back to looking at
that in 2019. We went back to trying to bring it to a close in 2020. COVID came, that fell apart. The mayor last year made it her intention after
the 2025 budget um to actually bring forward strategic planning but strategic planning light where we kind of revisit everything that we've previously talked about and try to facilitate it internally. I think at this point um
your conversations are fantastic, but we would all be served to bring this to a a quicker um close with um a small investment in a facilitator. And so we recommend um bringing back Shakree who
has stayed involved, Shakri Bryant with Actuate, who has stayed involved with the town. She's continued to watch meetings and she has a vast amount of knowledge based on the interviews she did during the SWAT um analysis.
So I think that Jeff has talked to some of you about it as well. So I don't want to leave out any comments that he wishes to make. But I for one am pretty excited by what council has been doing and I see only nothing but I see only good things
ahead and this would be great to have it done before the budget so we can allocate some resources and time. Just real quick before I take questions for other people. Do you I think it's a great idea too, but I'm concerned about
the bite we just bit off with the meetings and the you know for the grant and then this I mean this is a this is a scheduling nightmare. Is this something that we're going to be able to manage and meet deadlines and not have people be upset
that we're not meeting the deadlines? That's really up to council because a facilitated meeting of the one that's described in here might give us a better idea of where we might be. But we will not have a
strategic plan or an update to our strategic plan within the next month because we really right now are just working with discussion of priorities that have not been prioritized
and put into any sequence or but you think we could do that with this facilitator. think that you would be able to get a very Yeah, I >> with an additional meeting. I believe that that we could get a prioritized list or a little bit closer.
>> I'm just making sure that we all remain realistic because I know that not meeting deadlines is a big concern for some people and I don't want, you know, more stress on our ability to do that. Paul, I think you were next. And >> yeah, I
I think we we kind of you know, the first couple whatever we kind of, you know, kind of whittleled that away at what the 2,000 item list was. Um, that was kind of insurmountable. Um, you know, and and I I understand
your frustration with that cuz it's like where do you start because you do have to do that that and you do have to do that one bite at a time. But I mean, I think I I don't think we need another meeting. If we're going to do this, then we do it at a workshop. We don't schedule another meeting. We just do this for our
workshop. That's just I mean that's what we're doing anyway. Um you know I think that I think we could prior we I don't think we really prioritize we we just kind of segmented and gave each other jobs as what we're we thought would be we could champion. I don't know that we
need to you know I think we could prioritize what we think needs to be done. Um you know and we could maybe do a better job of organizing it per quote unquote department. I know we don't really have departments, but you know, per department, you know, this is a code issue. This is a planning and zoning.
Yeah. I don't know. I I >> So, you wouldn't be in favor of hiring the >> I just I I think we could facilitate it. I I don't think I I what's being asked of us is to prioritize. Evidently, we haven't prioritized enough. So, I think we need to prioritize our list. We need to group it into, you know, where it
belongs and say the prior this is the top priority, etc., etc., etc. And then it's, you know, Shakree can't come back and tell us that, um, hold on, please. Shakree can't come back and tell us, oh, well, this is going to cost more than this. This is going to be $2 million.
It's going to be a, you know, off the, you know, whatever. I mean, this is going to take all this strategic, all this pre-planning and design, etc. Some of the stuff that we have on our on our list, I think, is is some of it's in place. I mean, you know, um, in some
conversations I've had about success, succession and things like that, some of the steps are in place. Maybe it's just a matter of, you know, and that's not a, you know, a costly fix or whatever to to you see what I'm saying. I don't know
that. I think maybe we give it a shot first and see if we can come up, you know, I think the five of us can sit down and come up with a with a prioritized list and then staff can come back and say that, you know, your prioritized list is great, but this isn't cost effective for what what's
ahead of you, >> right? Can that >> I do need to clarify something. one, our intention was to do this at one of the workshops, not to have another meeting because this is essentially the point of the workshops to have the prioritized
list. But um in terms of shortening the big item list that we were starting with, we actually really haven't because each of these topics require an action plan. And like you said, a lot of these
things we're doing. So, a lot of things we can educate you with and say, "Yeah, we do have the start of a succession plan. You know, we have a training program for each member of our staff. We have the positions filled with an idea
of who goes where next. You know, they're enthusiastic. They're, you know, all looking to grow. And we have an older group of people, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean in a seasoned way, that are mentoring and so on." So, you're right. we are far along with
that. We do have annual evaluations and coaching and counseling. So, a lot of the things that have been talked about publicly, we have and that's an easy slam dunk. But some of the bigger priorities, like for instance, the southern corridor and the protection of
the rural character of the town, we have a grant that will have a study. And to the mayor's point, that grant isn't a oneandone. It has babies. You either want to do it or you don't want to do it. When you talk about Okachobee and
Okachobee is a priority, no matter how you slice it or what you call it, you heard Ramsey and Karen, it's 2 years to I'm sorry, it's 90 days to two years. And that's without adding anything new to the plate. And we do add at least 30
new cases every quarter, but we can only clean up the 30 cases. So, we carry a backlog. So in reality, what we're looking at here is a capacity issue and an expectation issue. We can have all of the prioritized lists, whether it was
the old one of a bajillion items or the new list of topics, but if we don't identify, let's say, three of them that we have the capacity to do and in what time frame and if we do keep adding items as part of council meetings, no
one feels that they're getting what they've asked for. Okay, due respect, again, I think we can prioritize this list that of topics that we have. I think we can prioritize that list. I think that we can do it very efficiently and diligently. I think that then we
need feedback, you know, like I said. So, so yes, so the the code enforcement thing for Okachobee and that tick on the box, right? That's being we know that's going to take time. you know the sec you know and I'm sorry I just picked that one because it's my thing but you know
the secession thing yeah there's I'm finding out that there are stuff in place and what so those are all reports that come back this is a living breathing entity things are going to come up things are going to change we're going to add stuff to the list it's going to happen it's just inevitable so
but I don't think and you know nothing against Shakria again you know I'm the one that you know put her name on the list for what she's already done for I think that we could, you know, we're we're talking about, you know, pinching pennies, etc. I think that we could give
it a shot and see if we can prioritize this list and maybe with some staff feedback and and, you know, coming back and saying X, Y, and Z. I you know what I'm saying? >> Are you suggesting that our next informal
workshop that we instead make it a workshop meeting and have staff there? Is that what I'm hearing? so that we can get immediate feedback from staff and try to get this into something. >> Well, no, I think that's a waste of time. I think what we do is first we we we have we we solidifiing your question.
>> I think first we solidify >> and then if if I think >> you know staff can answer to that and if if we need to have staff here for an for an informal workshop meeting that with staff and we want to pay that that bill then that's what we have to do. But I think maybe between us solidifying
things and prioritizing correctly and putting it into into departments because you know we do have departments building code public works you know legal etc clerks you know by us doing that and then giving what we think the priorities
are maybe then staff can educate us a little bit better as to why or this or whatever and we oh we've been wanting to work on that but we haven't had a chance you know why is that you know Maybe we can get reports on that and we can work off of that. I I just and I mean the the
the Kim Delaney or you know that whole grant that whole study great but we're not going to hear we're not be able to talk about that until June >> because we're not going to see the report till June, right? Isn't that what the calendar said on the slide? June. So that's >> that's on the burner, right? Because
there's other folks taking care of >> it's cooking. >> Yeah, it's on the burner. It's not it's not turned off. It's it's on a you know it's >> slow simmer. We're yeah, we're cranking it up to four, but you know, so I mean I think you know that's so I I think we can do this. I I have faith in us. We're
pretty intelligent individuals visioned and what I had proposed, but I I'm with you. I hear what you're saying, Alisa. >> Yeah, going on what Paul said, we've we've already chopped away at a lot of this. We've we've created uh the concept
of supporting supporting pillars of of things that will drive decision- making. Um we already took the document at the last workshop and said update these areas. I I think that the strategic plan document
that's in place is fine. Uh it just needs a little tweaking. I am not going to spend any more money on another expert that's going to come in and tell us we have $70 million worth of stuff to fix. I think we know what we need to fix around here. We had the engineers stand up here and talk about everything we
need to fix. And I'm like, "How about we fix our major structures? Why are we constantly spinning our wheels? Whack-a-ole, I think, is a a term that's been thrown out here in this town many times. This is a whack-a-mole game. This is a waste of money and time.
We've already put this in place. We We just need that document to come back with the updates that we asked for. Maybe there's a few little more tweaks in it and we let it roll. To to your point, you have this other thing going on. This in the big scheme of thing is not the most important. We just need to
update it to what we're looking for today before you know. >> I think we need to add those what we talked about by we need date. I mean, if we weren't if we want to hold people accountable, which is a big thing for you, correct? >> And if we want to hold people accountable, then we need to be realistic in what it is that we're holding them accountable for. And we
need to put dates and we need to hold ourselves accountable too, you know. So we we need to have all that dates and numbers and I mean I I would tend to be in agreement that at least try to give it another stab and if we feel like we don't get anywhere at this next informal meeting if we feel like we don't have it
any further along at this next informal meeting then we can revisit this. But for now, I think we made a lot of progress at the last meeting and I think we could I think we could if we can get some definitive dates and times and things we might be able to short too. We we did it in a very timely manner last time we had
some extra time. >> Yeah. I mean I could go either way on this. Sometimes I feel like we have ADHD and we don't stay focused and if we and if we had somebody they would keep us focused. So I can see both sides of it. So if we want to take a stab at it and try we haven't successfully finished at Z yet. >> I'll be your facilitator, Todd. you
focus. >> Well, but to your point though, I mean, the thing the thing is is is we get a chance cuz honestly, we're all trying to be very succinct right now because we we're on a clock. We want to be done, right? We don't want to be here till midnight, right? So, I think that gives it's a little more less we don't have
presentations. We don't have So, we have a little bit longer time. We have a chance to discuss things out, right? And we have a chance, you know, so it's I think it's I I think we could do it. Franc what whatever you have to say or Jeff has to say we sure would like to give it a
>> snap one quick thing >> and that is that when we started down the path we were starting down the cap voluntarily for year after year we've been handing out the list that council has asked for. This is another list council has asked for. This is the first
council that's got responsibility for bringing it together. This was an offer to you. This wasn't a mandate to you. And we have no intention or desire to go out and spend lots of money. We just
want to be able to get something that we can meet an expectation of. And I'm not arguing with you. I just wanted to clarify the intent. I love it that you can do it. >> We think we can. Let us let us take a stab at it. We think you think we can. I hear that, >> Marge. You think we can do it?
>> I think you're trying to shove some down the road. I'm just saying I don't think we I think we can do it. It's the degree of u of um uh the that they're producing. And what are they going to charge us? 3,500.
>> Yes. >> To do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think we should we may have to come back. We may have to eat crow and say we couldn't get it done. But I say let's let we'd like to give it a stab. If we could have if we could have something a little bit more matrix oriented like we asked for for our next
thing with that would be >> we sent those matrices out. Okay. And also in this document I try to give you some type of um tool to use >> to try to um >> well let us
concern is that um there there's a lot of um time that has to go into creating the final document and you know who's going to do that? uh council staff. Um you know, there's going to be expenses
and time >> once you have a a prioritized list that has some timeline associated with >> we got P21 to to figure out and and I think we can do it. Yeah, I think if we >> we could do it and and like several
people have said, I'm sorry, I don't know who to attribute it to, but several people have said, some of these things are already in process or going on. And then and then as Paul said, then we can once we put them in this priority order and our top three or whatever it is we
want to do, then then we can see have feedback from you all of what's realistic in time and what's realistic in staff. Yeah, I would like to see that whole >> abilities. >> I can see a whole list like departmentalized. I mean time right there.
>> Yeah, it's wonderful. Yes, Mr. Curts. >> Um uh my comments don't have to to do with uh how you want to facilitate this effort. That is that's up to to you. What I want to remind you of is that in
the beginning of this process when you talked about the the workshop process um and you've had some great discussions and we've been monitoring with you know the help of AI to to see what's going on.
the the direction as I recall was you were going to have workshop meetings and at the next meeting you were going to at the next regular meeting you were going to come back um and give direction based
on the consensuses that you had arrived at um at the the workshop meeting. And for at least a few of those meetings, you know, when that direction came about, we ended up not having enough
time is my recollection to get to to the direction and we postpone that direction a couple times. >> Most of our directions from the last meeting right here and I've already shared them with the town manager. Evidently I had but but remember the that's a workshop meeting and what you
were going to do was at the council meeting you were going to take those ideas that you had come about and actually uh form a motion and give >> right here. >> So so >> give direction based on a a vote of
>> all of you. That was that was my recollection of how you were going to proceed with this and >> okay >> that that's one of the things the formalization of this um we haven't gotten to how you end up doing uh uh the the strategic plan if that's what we're
going to call it um that's up to you but I do want to remind you that that was the direction I thought that there was going to be there. So question right question we come to a consensus
at the meeting at the workshop meeting >> at the workshop meeting we come to a consensus not on a resolution not on an ordinance not on we come to a consensus that these are the priorities of what we want we really have to bring it back to the next meeting and vote this is the
prioritization of these items >> we do that all the time on on discussion items right here in regular meeting. >> Okay. So then why didn't they come back? Because if evidently if AI is monitoring >> point >> Yeah, I know. I'm I'm I'm just saying I'm not really sure why >> consistently adopted it.
>> I can't report to the town manager the things or you can't get through AI, but I do take the time to report them to her. the things that we discussed and that we that we agreed that we want handled >> consensus >> and it does but if you're saying that we have to come back and at the beginning
of every formal meeting I have to read through this list so that we can all say yep that's what we said I mean we can do that if that's if that's what we need to do is add an item that comes like I don't know the first presentation of the night subject like >> there there were there were there were
there were items on the there were items on the agenda in past agendas where I think that's what we were getting to and I think there were some of those lists on there and they ended up getting dropped from a couple of meetings um
because we didn't have enough time. We ran out of time for you to complete your your meeting um and then they were deferred to the following meeting. >> Jeff, may may I Are you just saying we need it for the legal process that we we should bring it into the formal setting?
>> Thank you. Thank you for clarifying my question. >> Yes, that's that that's the process by which we receive direction. >> All right. So >> and and workshop is discussion. >> Okay, let me actual >> let's let's pause here and let me read
through the list. Todd gave a teleahassie update. I don't think we need to discuss that. Um, so we were going to ask staff to suspend the site triangle um, enforcement and have uldc review the vague language and create clear
standards before those violations before those NAVs are sent out. Yes, Francie, >> there's an administrative transmitter in here on site triangle. We've >> perfect. So, it's handled. >> We've done a better >> We've done a better illustration of what it is and we have it scheduled for the
committee. >> Okay. We were going to ask that to give it up. >> All right. If I if I might. No, if if I might, that was that's that's exactly the type of item that I'm talking about. that kind of direction should be
um a matter of emotion whether you want to do it all inclusively or that particular item because so I understand >> giving giving the direction to cease moving forward with respect to a particular type of enforcement that's
something that is much better done in a in a motion and that we have it now if the if the manager says says that's already been taken care of. One of the things that I would think you would want is okay, let's take a look at what is
being said as being taken care of and and let's let's vote to go okay now it's ready to go back out there and you can enforce, right? >> Those are two things, you know. >> Exactly. And so what I'm saying is that we will we're we when we get to item
number 15, we'll discuss this further. We'll say, but we're letting you know formally what our discussion was. >> Um, we were gonna ask Valerie for an Asana training update, but Valerie is not here tonight. So, Francine, can you give that to us? Great. >> Can we um I
>> just could blow by my question. >> Be very quick. >> I mean, I I I still want I still want clarification on this because I'm I'm just I'm getting bowled over here. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm getting bowled over here and I want to answer to my question. It still does not sound like it's a it sounds like this is how we
been receiving direction and this is you know there's still really no answer to the question are we required by any law etc etc is it just the way things have been done that we are required by law to give our direction here at this meeting
or can we take a consensus at our workshop meeting that this is what we want as the five in a publicly scheduled meeting that we're not voting on a resolution olution or an ordinance or anything like that, right? Publicly scheduled mean that this is the consensus that we have and this is the
direction we're giving. Can that not be good? >> The way the town council operates. >> Okay, that's not my question, Jeff. My question, we have a conversation later. Sorry, >> Paul. Paul, if I could if I could answer the question. The way a town council operates,
>> any town council operates by virtue of a motion. That is how you operate. You are individually until we have a motion. It is not collective. Especially at meetings at which the people who you are directing
are not there to ask questions and say, "All right, what do you mean by this or that?" or maybe I do need a motion on that because I don't understand what's going on. The way the five of you operate is by motion. We put those
things into resolution so that they are clear. They don't have to be in resolution. But in order to understand what the direction is, the best practice >> and the law says you operate by a vote
when it comes to giving direction. >> Okay. So Francine, >> thanks for answering my question. Let's add under presentations on every agenda as number one that whoever is the notekeeper whether it continues to be me or whoever it is reads through the list
and we decide when and where those things need to be distributed throughout the agenda. Okay. So so that it's formally read in at one of these meetings and we can take action on the things. Okay. Can we do that? So Jeff, that'll that >> Okay. So the the suspend the ULDC it
would be will be handled in in number 15. You're going to give the ASA training update Francine. >> I will. They gave us a quote of $3500 to go ahead and implement those. >> That seems to be the number of the day. >> I know it's wild right on three major
workflows. Um one is contracts which I think is part of the council priorities. Two is agenda management which is clearly an agenda and a staff. Both of those are agenda and staff council and staff priorities. And the third workflow
is easements. Again, another issue that has held us back in the past. So those are the three main workflows that we're going to have a sauna build for us and then we will replicate as needed for anything else.
>> I think we would want to know what the time frame on that is. Do you know for us? >> Talk to Valerie about that. I don't have it, but we can send out the >> Could you let us know by email? Because that was something that we wanted to >> I think it's sooner than later.
>> Is that Did I represent every Please feel free anybody to jump in if I'm not rep um we discussed a 20,000 bud $20,000 budget for the anniversary. Is that something that need >> If you're going to spend $20,000 absolutely need a motion on that. >> Do we need to make a motion here or
Well, you're Please let me finish my question. Do is it okay for us to make a motion here to do that or is this something that needs to be added to the March agenda and the motion made there? >> It would be better to be done at the March agenda when you can actually see
where the funds might be reallocated >> but that make sure that that the anniversary schedule >> and we doing we've been doing some work and having some discussion so that'll be great. Okay. Um the other question was has notification about the middle road change been sent to Okachchobee
residents? >> The answer is no. >> Okay, >> we don't have the information to do it. >> Okay, the next one was we were giving you direction for the matrix which clearly you acted on anyhow because we have that in here. So we have the matrix to go with and we'll go with that at our
next informal meeting. And then um Miss Ramy brought up that special districts are required to have uh their own website and that the the uh water control district's west uh website disappeared sometime towards the end of
April in 2025. And she wants to know how we're handling that. >> I sent an email to council during this meeting because she shared that with me right before the meeting. I sent a council a link to where it is and I also
sent a Google snapshot of how you type in Lockxahi Groves Water Control District and you get a separate web page. Um it's on our web page, but you can type in Google. It's separate. We do it the same way as Wellington who has a
dependent district called Acme. and I took a screenshot of that and I went on the website and we have it there and we have had it there. I don't know the path somebody was taken but I've shared it with everyone and I believe that if you
want we can make it its own icon on the front page if that would be helpful. >> Okay. And another thing that we discussed was water quality. >> Water quality. We have a discussion planned for March. This is good. I'll get my report out of the way. The Solid
Waste Authority opened their bids yesterday for um the haulers for district 3. And basically the same services that we currently have are $19.50
per unit compared to right now we are at about $39 per unit. So pretty close to exactly the same as seven years ago going with the solid waste authority piggyback is half the price of having
our own bid. It still holds true today because Westlake did not want to piggyback and they did their own bid which was awarded in December and their price is 3168 for the first year and of course they're obviously a completely different
community than we are with you know high density and less vegetation. So, I believe in March we're going to bring back uh a recommendation to piggyback um if it is awarded as it is scheduled to be at the Solid Waste Authorities
February 11th agenda. By the way, the low bidder for district 3 is the Coastal. So, we would have the same services and the same provider if we piggybacked off Coastal and we would save basically $200 a year for our
residents on their solid waste um assessment. Along with that, we will have to address and we discussed I think at the January 6th meeting that we were going to try to put a discussion of livestock waste and the changes necessary for the livestock waste
franchise in order to better regulate livestock haulers in town. um that is also coming on for discussion in March and along with that will be the idea that we need to adopt some BMPPS to address the water quality.
>> Okay. >> So >> Mr. McClendon has had his light on for a long time. >> I know that was a long answer but they're all related. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. So when we started these workshops, my thought process was for us to talk amongst ourselves so we could learn from each other and learn our thoughts as to where
you were coming from, where I was coming from, where members of the public were coming from. And of course, staff listens to these. And if staff listens and says, "Hey, they talked about line of sight. This is something they want to discuss," then she's going to put it back on. She's going to put it on the agenda like it is tonight. So, I
disagree with that necessarily have to have every single thing we discussed on our agenda at the beginning of every meeting because we don't need all that. We need the things that staff says, "Yeah, the five of them saw line of sight was something. I'm going to put that on the agenda." And then it becomes an official action when we vote on it.
And to reiterate what what Jeff was saying, if we sit up here in a meeting and the five of us just shake our head and say, "Yeah, we think that's a good idea." That's not an official action, right? That means nothing. We could all say, "Yeah, we think that this should happen." And it doesn't have to happen because it's not an official action until there's a motion a second we
actually vote on it. So I don't think we need that. Um not what the workshops were about. The workshops were about learning from each other and trying to figure out where we can come to a consensus on something good for this town to move it forward. >> Correct. But there's been times that that a consensus has been taken as
direction. Todd, not everything gets emotion and voted on. And that's all that's only my point. >> But you can't we can't really give direction. And like I said, if we talked about line of sight in the meeting, she put it on the agenda because she saw that yeah, this >> I just wanted a clear definition and I
wasn't getting one until I got upset and raised my voice because all I got was Yeah. >> No. And I I wanted to understand why, right? Is this just some way we do something? I heard best practice. I heard somewhere in there was legally and then somewhere in there this is the way
towns do it. Okay, fine. >> Not a legal effective until we vote. There's a first and a second. we vote on it. Otherwise, it means nothing. >> Okay. >> Officially, it means nothing. >> So, every time we give a consensus, it means nothing. >> Nothing legally. >> Even though everybody's standing here and they go off with that because we have a consensus. >> It's not an official action until
there's a motion to second a vote. Correct. And an official. Yes, that's correct. Now, with respect to consensus, sometimes staff is acting or asking something for something that's within the manager's purview or my purview as the town
attorney. um and you'll say is consensus enough and I go yeah I'll be able to to act upon that but when you're taking official actions um that is something that should be done by motion
and a vote um and there's lots of times you know people will come back and say well when was that decided by the council that was just discussed we have those kind of conversations all the time not just amongst ourselves but also
members of the public going who gave you that authority >> and that's why it ends up in a minute specific motion a second and how it voted on I get that breaking down a little too much thanks but >> all right that's Francine >> I agree with you I don't think it needs
to be on an item on the agenda you >> so just briefly you know I have a number of years experience with everybody and their style this actually was one of council member McClendon 's issue when he was on the council originally, then
when he was on the floor, and now that he's back. And if you notice, I do pay attention to the meetings. We all pay attention to workshop meetings. Anything that we can give you an administrative transmitter on and let you know we launch the process. That's why we're
giving these administrative transmitts. Like for instance, everyone cares about Okachobee. You don't have to take any action on the master plan except do some homework and tell us what you want. You don't have to take any action on the
line of sight because it's going to committee and that's something within our purview. Um, and we got enough complaints about it. It was definitely being handled anyway. You know, I mean, etc. If I can, if it's something in my
power, I do an admin I I or a staff member does an administrative transmitt to let you know where we're at so you don't have to wait. However, Mr. Curts is right. There are some things that need to be voted on. And um I like the
idea that you guys have put forth, which is just at the front of every meeting, we just do a roundup and if something needs to be voted on, we'll tell you that. And that's what we had been putting on the agenda in October and November. Like for instance, you gave
direction for changes to council protocol. That still hasn't come back, but that would have to come back to get voted on. I'm going I'm trying to give examples because everybody is right with what they're saying. Some of it can just
slide on here. We heard you. We're going. Some of it we have to bring back and you have to decide if you want us to spend time and money on it. I can't right this minute say right off the top of my head, but I think after the next round of prioritization,
you know, after that next workshop, you're going to have prioritization. We put it right at the top of the next agenda. And if something's going to cost money or time, we'll talk about those first. Otherwise, we can vote right
through. if that is what I heard properly tonight. >> Yeah, I think so. Lisa's had her light on for a while. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Um Todd, I'm sorry. I disagree. I don't think staff needs to be listening and and reading our minds. I think it should be what we um decide on formally
and have uh notations made on that. Um, Francancy and I would vehemently disagree with you on the whole thing about our website because streamline does the Acme and they did our improvement district website. It is a
separate it may have a similar uh domain name but it is not a page on their website. This has previously been how our town has done it as a page on the website. You and I buted heads over this as far as state rules with independent districts versus dependent districts.
They're supposed to have a separate budget published and everything else on their website. I don't think what we have currently is adequate. And we did have a streamline site that was published and now it's gone. So that I think needs to be looked into and
explained why we had one and why we no longer have one. So >> So I would think that that is to Mr. occurs as to the interpretation of the Florida statutes. This is something that the auditors have to opine on because they have to do um compliance with the
Florida statutes. Um and we have had no finding. However, um I'm certainly willing to do that very simple thing. Um, if it if it is something that we're not doing and we need to
>> I that's why I sent you a snapshot of the way the Wellington one is and the way ours is. >> I don't know which Wellington one you're talking about. It has a separate streamline hosted website for their Acme Improvement District. Their Civic Plus website is their government website for
Wellington, the town. There are two separate websites. So, if you look at the way that they show up, it's a dependent district at the same I sent it to you in your email and I'm happy to talk with you about it, but
again, I have to defer to the attorney. I'm not going to interpret the Florida statutes. >> Okay. >> I'll be happy to take a look at it. I haven't looked at that website in probably at least a year. >> Okay. So, we'll come we'll come back to that when the attorney >> simple enough to fix. But but it is
something that we would like or Miss Ramy would like an answer to. >> Okay, we're moving on to item number 12. >> I think you have officially completed the agenda. These are allformational items. >> Oh, okay. So, what do we just say?
>> Gave my report. >> These are all just administrative reports. >> So, basically, I'll just say item number 12. Does anybody have any questions on item number 12? >> Yes. >> Okay, Lisa. So, uh, thank you Francine
for the list on, uh, your GR grant report because that kind of aligns with my question of what do we have outstanding with grants. Uh my question on that one is can we get them in a form where they're not broken up in you know some of them
are here some of them are there some of them are in this uh thing in in the status >> this report is a slight change from what was provided at the last quarterly report
>> um because we put some asterisks here to make it clear that We applied multiple times for the same grant. And I'm going to take page 202 where it says control structures at Southern. We applied for a
resilient Florida grant for 2.484. And we also applied for a commerce grant for 2484. Same grant sent in the different portal that they asked us to do. We have to upload these in portals. And if you'll
see, there's an LMS score. That means that we sent this very same grant to LMS. Okay? So, it was put online in their portals. Um, and I can do this
worksheet any way you want. Um, I tried to make it more clear so you could see. >> Okay. I'm looking at you, I guess. >> Okay. Yeah. So the fact that the commercial structures at Southern have two or three different funding sources
requested to me that should they should be clumped together under that subject. Right? So that's the money we're requesting and maybe one's with commerce, maybe one's with FD, maybe one's under the county, I don't
know. But I think that this information could be provided in a way that has a little more um clarity for where we're getting it and then maybe a deadline like when we expect um the the award deadline for these fundings to be
announced so that we know where they're at. And as far as LMS >> county does that, right? We don't do that. >> No, we don't do it. It's the county and it also includes FDEM and so on and so forth. And by the way, I really have
clumped these together. The control structures at Southern the funding sources, we applied to FD for 2.484. We applied to Florida Commerce for 2.484. And
>> oh, I see you've got them listed under funding sources. Okay, got it. gave you the LMS score if it was something LMS reviewed. Anything with an LMS score of 90 or above generally rates highly with
any other agency. I resent all of these documents to Department of Commerce. As I understand when you all were there, they said they wanted to revisit it. I did not go to each portal and re-upload.
Instead, I sent the summary of grants that we sent on the cover letter because they already have the portal upload. I did send them this scoring sheet so they could see what LMS scores were and what
other places we had applied to because I think that they were going to look to see if they could help along some of those other things. >> Okay. And then we've got another table on 205 and another table on 207. I think if that could all be in one place so that
>> and then I have them split up and I will happily put them all in one place but they are two different they are four different purposes and two different agencies. I I think that the table can clarify that >> that what the purpose what the agency
but all on one page not >> okay >> spread over seven pages >> okay >> would be super helpful >> still be here and it won't it won't be near the table any longer just so you know that I'll just footnote everything >> all right that would be helpful um and
then Karen um I've got um page 215 we've got a business tax rece receipt for horse boarding, which is an agricultural use. Was that something they voluntarily signed up for on a business tax receipt or does the town keep telling
agricultural uses they have to have BTRs? >> Um, typically we uh ask them to submit so that we know what's going on. I'd have to double check to see if there was a fee. It might have only been a filing and no fee attached to it. And I can follow up for that if you, you know, if
you'd like me. So now we're going to ask people to file what they're doing on their property without collecting money and call it a BTR. I'm confused. >> It hasn't changed. I'm sorry for interrupting >> if you want to. No, go ahead. Okay. It hasn't changed. There's always been a
statutory exemption from BTR for agricultural activities because of the number of complaints that we get between properties and about possible code violations. We encourage people,
but we do not require people to file an exemption. I think you asked this question at a a council meeting in a previous year. There's no fee. It protects the person who lets us know because when there's a complaint, we don't send any code officer out because
we already know it's an egg operation, but we can, you know, I mean, it is voluntary. We do not force anybody to fill out an exemption. We don't audit them either. >> So, if somebody tells us, >> you know, they're over 65 and they look
like they're 22, we're going to question that. Okay. But if somebody tells us they're a veteran, we don't look for anything. Um, you know, if someone tells us they're agriculture, we don't look for anything because bonafide a and a
are two different things. And you can have an agricultural exemption without a bonafideed egg. So we try to just capture information so we can protect our residents from unnecessary complaint and us
visiting them. >> Okay. And then I don't know if you can answer this question for the building department, but I I apparently have too much time on my hands. So, I went down these commercial permits and the very first one that pops up on the top of
this commercial edition is for a one-stop nursery. It's a second property in and it's zoned AR. Why Why are they applying with a commercial edition and they actually
have two two things that they do? And then we've got another one that's zoned AR under commercial sign, which is actually one of the properties that I think Mr. Buckley was going to click on. It's on Folsome. We we we all know that
they're running an illegal lawn maintenance thing out of there. And here's their they got a permit for a commercial sign. So >> it was issued >> zoned AR. I don't know it was issued. It it says right here fees collected. I'm assuming it was issued. Why are these AR
parcels getting commercial permits? Probably can't answer that question, but >> perhaps >> you can try and try and I'll >> because a nursery >> is not a house. And so technically by
the Florida Building Code, you're not giving a house permit. Maybe maybe we can get a better answer from our own resident building inspector here, but I think our attorney was about to jump in and say that agricultural stuff can be
commercial, but it's exempt. Altman Farms is agricultural, but it's a business and they have to get a commercial permit if they have to get a permit, >> which they don't because they're a but some things they would >> That is correct. for
>> um I don't know the specifics of that particular the the two examples that um you came up with. So, I'm speculating um and depending on first of all um if it was an
agricultural building um that uh a onetop was looking to expand, you can always get a permit for an agricultural building. Um but it would be classified probably under the
commercial versus the residential aspect. So to clarify that that state those numbers are state those permits are state defined >> like an egg permit right for something like that. So that might explain why >> that's my speculative belief.
>> Okay. But I still wonder why they got a sign permit. >> Well uh >> for an illegal business >> that I that's one that I'm not sure of. Um but >> neither am I. But >> non- retail nursery got a building
permit for so >> well but the um on the on the a side it also could have been associated with a a building structure that was um for uh that that
it was for occupancy by um people. So you would still potentially have to get a uh >> would be residential then? No, not necessarily. Um, let's say let's say they have a shop, you know, a
shop where you go in and buy things and and it's part of the agricultural operation because they're selling >> allowed retail nursery business. >> Well, I'm just thinking about the the retail eggs or whatever else they might be selling off of there. If you put a
building in and you're inviting the public in, um, you can always get a permit. the public in. There has to be a building permit. >> Not >> not a direct >> not explicit, not not necessarily, but you it could be required and you can
always get a permit for anything that might be subject to um an agricultural exemption if you wanted to build it. >> You can pull a permit for your barn even >> absolutely. even if you don't have to >> right >> just to make sure
>> make sure if you leave it's no longer >> if I can add >> that the number of people that are in an act building um at any one time will trigger the necessity of whether it has a permit or not. If you have more than if you expect more than 35 people to be
in that building at any one time, um it is better for you to get a permit than not have a permit. >> It triggers the need for a permit under the fire code. And we have that information on our website for agurism
because the agricultural rules apply to agurism. And additionally um a number of agurism sites and toolkits and all that so on will outline the fire code requirements and we can make a presentation on that.
>> I think that has to do with walls. >> Yeah. >> You don't have walls. You don't have to have that. >> Correct. That's absolutely correct. No walls don't need it >> stipulations. So correct. >> And there are a permit in other places but they have to do with >> that's all I had on the quarterly.
>> So anybody else any questions on 12? Okay. Okay. Any questions on 13? Any questions on 14? >> Yes. Okay, Lisa, go. Since when do we care about people's campaign signs that they put next to the road on their own property? I don't care
if it's three inches off the road since we've widened the roads right onto people's properties. So, I think this is a really, really, really ugly process that the town has decided to engage in. Well, first of all, I'm going to tell
you that generally speaking, we're doing nothing with the signs between the road and the fence or the private property just to make sure that they are safely out of um, you know, that they are
safely, you know, out of the driver's ways. That's that's really all we're doing. And if we have any question, we're calling the candidate and letting them, you know, know. Maybe they move it a little bit off the road. Anything
that's on the canal bank. And by the way, I'm going to make that decision. I don't want any staff member to have to suffer that. And so far, I have said leave it when I have been shown the pictures. I think we've taken them off of the canal banks in the past when they
were still that >> someone put one of mine on the canal bank and >> absolutely and that's fine. These these are signs that have historically gone places that they've gone before and they vanish and some of them end up here. I know that some people have called. I
know Karen, you've spoken to some people. I would just tell everybody to walk a very fine line when it comes to campaign signs. there's sort of a special exception there and I don't
think anybody wants to feel like people would do things in this town as we you know talking about misinformation and stuff like that and I just don't want to see these things become you know urban myth right so >> this comes up every year
>> it's every year whoever sitting up here talks about it every sing >> that is why I'm saying do not collect If it is between the road and the property, public works and code have been told not to touch any of those. >> Some people have been told it's a sight
triangle thing. Sorry, I need to interrupt. >> Triangle. We have talked to every candidate. They were told that. However, our staff has been better educated about the 30-inch rule in the sight triangle. So, we are generally not touching the
sight triangle. Please also remember that our staff doesn't really have the same experience as everyone. That's why I'm taking full responsibility for any problem that anybody has with a sign between the road and their house or a sight triangle. We're not pulling them.
We are pulling anything that's on the canal side of the road. We are pulling anything that's in the actual right of way. We have asked people if they can to keep them as close to their fence as
possible and we have had reports that we took signs that we have not. So in the spirit of misinformation, I'm adding that to the record. We're not taking signs between the road >> and the property only from the rightway
which is primarily the canal. >> Right. Because I mean historically we as we all know the rightway varies from road to road to road to road road. >> So as long as as long as we stick with as long as we stick with from the road to the house anywhere in that
neighborhood I think everybody's going to be happy. Just no canal banks, right? I mean that's kind of I think if we stick Is everybody agree? I think if we stick with that that's kind of >> it's what we've always done. I know it's what we've always done, but evidently, you know, and unfortunately, yes, we get
new people and they don't know and they >> I'm going to do my job because all these snipe signs all all of a sudden showed up, >> you know, and so, >> right, and they've had to dictate from us to rip the snipe signs, right? They went out and did it. >> We didn't pay attention what was coming up, right? Whatever. So, >> yeah, I got it.
>> I think there's a difference between car detailing though and I can't paint >> mosquito. I know. Listen, sometimes people are very literal with their instruction. I think you have different rules based on content, right? >> Correct. >> It's a sign. It's a sign. >> That That is correct.
>> I agree. But historically, >> the town has not pulled signs until the day after. >> I mean, there's been a few. I had one pulled up one time, but >> one good for you. >> Yeah. >> Wow. That's impressive.
>> Yeah. >> Only put up two. >> No. Yeah, >> more than that. Yeah. >> Did I saw some activity over there? Did we have some public comment coming in on this item? >> Yes, Cassie Suchi.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, Karen. >> Cassie Sushi. Um talked to at least three candidates in this room who had issues with their signs and um I agree with at least
I listen to Mr. We have we need more code officers, but perhaps it might not be the best use of our town money to have people dealing campaign signs that will disappear after the election. The other thing I heard was I asked what is
the criteria on signs too close to the road? What is what is the criteria? And I was told basically that it's an area which is not next to an installed fence. So I've taken pictures of signs that have been taken and they are clearly on
private property. So I think we just need to stop the elections in March unless it's very flagrant and these signs are this big. So I don't know any cars if they're going to violate any sites or whatever they sit like that. Um
the other issue is I heard canal banks. I live on the canal bank up here that have had their signs. I know exactly where my property is and where the rightway is. And back when it was the water district
and it was chair, we got that property back restored to me when they put it in the maintenance maps. So if it is on the canal side, not on the edge of the canal, but my fence sits 13 ft off the property and most of that is not the
town. So if I choose to put a sign on there, I don't expect to come and take it. My question is, do I need to put no trespassing signs, private property? >> So, do you see where we're going? How ridiculous this is? I don't think we've
ever had to have this discussion. >> It's every year. >> Every year. >> Obvious ones that are really flagrant, but I saw Todd sign. He had one pagan that I didn't think was anywhere near it. It was right next to a fence. Um I saw um Robert Sullivan and Joe Stevens.
Same thing. So, I don't think it's a really good use of our money and our resources. Maybe they can be used to help Mr. Buckley. He seems to have a real monster of a time doing he's been I think we just needed to leave it alone and not have any blanket statements, no
signs on the canal side, unless you really know where the rightway is and it's marked. I think you need to leave that alone as well. >> Yeah, I'm in my description. I meant the canal bank right next to the road, not that because I mean >> I know what you meant. Yeah. I mean, I had some >> five of them from a certain candidate
the other night at Swanks on the canal bank, >> right? Yeah. No, on the Yeah. On the Yeah. That's not >> correct. There were which is a bad look because if you can't follow the rules when you're running for office, that's not okay. >> But on the property side, you know, on the the other side of the canal, I had signs up there. No, nobody ever did
anything about that. >> All right, we're done with this item. No more public comment. Okay. Line of sight violations. I know we all have questions on that. So that was one of the things we wanted to discuss. Would you like to just I mean briefly it looks like what you've done is
decide it's going to go back to the DC which is what we asked for. So we're good. >> Yeah. So what happened is at the ULDC we were talking about nuisance abatement. So it kind of merged into this uh and so the ULDC did discuss uh they actually
went through it. Um I'm going to hand out a document that was actually posted today. C agenda went out for next week's meeting, but this is what some of the changes hopefully >> receive and file. >> To receive and file, please second. >> All in favor?
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, I think the gist of this from the just, you know, was to give a little bit um clearer direction. I felt it was a little >> Oh my god.
And so as you can see where we had one diagram in our previous we now have three and then a picture. So again to clarify for them also there's some discussion regarding what could be in the line of sight. Um and so hopefully
the intention is this is going in front of the board. They'll give me comments back on whether this is something that is agreeable, not agreeable, amend, whatever they want to do ultimately to bring back council for you to read back. >> Um, as long as we don't any violations
of sen any questions for car about this? >> No. Well, I have >> we're moving forward. >> All about I mean Todd does. >> Yeah. So, do we need if we're not going to enforce this until this is resolved? Do we need a motion and a vote on that?
Um, yes, you should if that is your direction. >> If you have a motion, >> if you're if you if I'm sorry if if the staff is doing it um based on the town manager's direction um and you're
satisfied the with the report, I'm not sure that you need a motion. So, it depends on whether you're giving direction or not. So, did we not give like this list of priorities for the committees, right? >> Yes. >> Did we vote on that and accept that or whatever? It's just a list of priorities
that we want this stuff per specifically >> with the stuff that we want them to go over stuff and get stuff done prior to. So, we have, you know, trigger ready once we have the ability to pass some of these things, we have trigger ready resolutions, right?
>> We did. But what I'm asking for is should we not be enforcing the existing rule until it's >> until what you asked. I thought you were asking how we how we move forward. >> So I'm trying to find out if if we shouldn't be enforcing the existing rule in the site triangle until the DC looks
at it and when it comes back to us for adoption or denial. >> If that's the if if you want that to be the direction of council, you should have a motion and vote on it. >> So I make a motion to not enforce the site triangle. We have a public comment on this one.
>> We can still go. >> She knew what was happening. >> I make a motion to not enforce the sight triangle until it goes to the ULDC and comes back to us to be voted on. >> Got a lot of second. I don't know who was first. We'll call it Mars.
>> Lisa, you have a comment first. >> I believe we actually gave direction already to not do this. But correct. It wasn't >> horrible meeting. That's why we're up here. >> So I I have issue with existing driveways that are now being pushed to
create side triangles. Uh a lot of them I can think of one road in particular now the people can't get out of their driveways safely because you widen the road right to their fence that has historically been there for at least 24 years. And now the road is right up
against their fence. And now you say, "I take down your fence because you can't see." So I I see people putting in convex mirrors in canal banks. I was told you needed a rideway permit to do that. >> Is everybody who's sticking a convex mirror in a canal bank getting a
rightaway permit? >> Probably not. They should. So I think that the language that needs to be in our uldc I thought it was already in there was this driveway stuff was for new construction and this is not dodriven
except at intersections and I know that the state allows this but when I met with Mr. Buckley and this was something we talked about. He had no idea that the town had widened roads so that now the road is pushed right up against these people's property lines where they had
put their stuff with a setback previously and now the setback is gone. So I think uldc needs to understand that as they discuss this >> done. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Who was first? >> Was it?
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I agree with Lisa. I think you know some some um even though devil's advocate the speed limit's been the speed limit for how many years you know it's it you change the speed limit tomorrow it's
still the speed limit right uh the it's been in the code sighteline's not something new it's been there it's you know so it's been there it's never been enforced right and then you have the caveat of well I'm an act property right so I can put the fence right to the
corner of my thing I can do that you know I go right to the end. That's why, you know, some of the stuff like edge of pavement is kind of I don't know if that's the right spot. You know, there's easements, there's things like that. There's, you know, that come into play. So, but I'm I'm with you. I think, you
know, some some care needs to be taken. You know, maybe it's a like I said, it's a new construction thing or if it's, you know, unless we're talking about heightwise because there are some, you know, tall this and tall that and whatever. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the good answer is, but I hope hopefully they come back with a good
one. you know, sighteline discussions are difficult to have in a general sense um because there's always going to be the individual issues like fence um is the f are you able to see through the
fence? Um or is it a solid fence? Those are two different things. >> Do we have statistics on people getting injured coming out of driveways? >> Um I don't know that. I'd love to hear. >> I don't I don't know that that we do.
I'm very familiar with lawsuits uh involving um the failure to have adequate sight line um and >> that's the homeowner's problem >> and deaths uh resulting from it. Um there uh years ago in Delray Beach, it
became the city's problem when they didn't cut uh back a tree. Um, and uh, there was a very large judgment, but I'm not I'm not advocating that that's what we should be
focused on. Um, we, as um, uh, Council Member Coleman uh, indicated, um, these rules have been in place from the beginning of time. And >> 2018 I believe our town adopted these.
>> Well 2018 you didn't have sight plan sight. You have sighteline >> they didn't have it in the original. >> No. >> Wow that's shocking. >> Didn't we? They were in the county. >> They've been in the county forever >> and it would have been in the county's.
>> Yeah. adopted >> but in 2018 we adopted >> wait 20 is in 2018. >> Okay. So so when we incorporated we dumped the county got our own thing >> within two years >> within two years we got our own. >> So you said so within two years of
incorporation up to 2018 we had no line of sight >> safe corner. >> Those are a caveat. If you if you built your fence with >> if you if you if you build your fence within here and here you're exempt. You're probably still exemptive in the non-residential farm building.
>> Well, that that that's but that's put the barn there. >> Thing is like, oh, the the the one variable problem is the one variable multiplies by 30. >> Yeah. No, I I got you on that. >> If it's I had this argument with somebody the other day and argument
discussion and it was about see-through, right? Well, you can see through it. Three board fence, you can see through it. I'm like, no, it's a fence. Chain link. You can see through it. I'm like, "No, it's an obstruction of your view. Depending on the height of your vehicle, you can't see through it." So, I said, "You want the letter of it? I can define the letter of it for you. The letter of
it is there's no obstruction at all." >> Well, the post office says, "I can't move my mailbox." Well, tell the post office, "Go talk to the town because if you got if the mailbox is in the line of sight, it's in line of sight." I mean, it's, >> you know, so I mean, it's it's a it's a big thing and and I I I challenge them
to, you know, knock it out of the park. Oh, sorry. >> Sure. >> I'm almost wondering, and I agree with what Lisa was saying. I almost feel like we need different sight triangles for different circumstances. And maybe a private driveway doesn't have a sight triangle at all. Maybe a shared driveway that's for two or three residents might
have a a smaller sight triangle and opposed to North Road and a lettered road, right? It needs to be a lot bigger. So, I don't think there should be one set of a sight triangle. That applies to everything. >> There isn't, >> right? But I'm saying a single driveway shouldn't. You know, I was talking to a guy the other day that has a a gate that
he never uses it for a driveway or or maybe once a year he does and he gotation. This is something that he never even uses, right? It's just there for an emergency purpose or that sort of thing and he got a notice of violation. He's like, I don't even use this thing, but once a year or twice a, you know, so maybe on a private, you know, single
entrance, there shouldn't be a sight triangle at all. There was a farm that was required to put a gate in by the town because of a back five because one day, one day they might sell that back five and that back five is going to need access,
>> right? Even though when you sell that one day, even it's tomorrow, whatever, you could put the gate in then you have to give access, right? No, they were required to put the gate in, right? And they got a letter. I mean it's subsequently been taken care of because they realized they found out that they
were required to put this gate in. But I guess this is my point is you know in the point the one variable multiplies around here because you know it's you know the side gate that's only access to bring in this or whatever you know it's so it's I don't know again it's going to be a challenge. It's not going to be a
one meeting show I guess. on this >> Marian Miles. >> Good evening. >> I think it's on. >> It's not. >> I don't know. >> Good evening, council. Um
the line of sight triangles were left alone except for building on Southern Boulevard and commercial. One of the reasons when it went through the ulc and went through several councils before you guys sat there was
because just about every letter road on the east side of the road has blind spots. You can't possibly site every person's property for coming out onto the letter roads and
somebody traveling down those letter roads, whether they're going north or south and they can't see them. I'm sorry. You know, if you're going to barrel down that road, even with our speed humps, you deserve what you get. And I'm not
talking about the private the owners that are coming out to the road. They know to stop. They know to look. So to put up line of sight violations
on and I want to say select people wherever code enforcement is going. If you have a person that can't see out their driveway or the next person can't see out their driveway, what about neighborly?
Hey, I'm having a problem with your hedge. I can't see out the road. We have a major problem that nobody's taking care of. And that's three telephone poles on B-ro and Okachchobee.
When you come out and one is leaning now, they put a big one up. And and Lisa can tell you that you got to get so far out that road to see past that telephone pole that it's dangerous. >> Bumpers coming up. >> Amen. Nobody keeps addressing that, but yet
you want to go after line of sight. I want to say one more thing. We also need to look at because it's coming hurricane season soon. And we also have a vertical plane ordinance. That'll be the next thing. But I'd like to know whose responsibility of it is it when the
people on the east side of the road have trees and a canopy that's hanging over the road. We all want trees, but whose responsibility of it is it when the limb falls? Is it the town's responsibility and and
price to go pick it up? We have a vertical plane and it needs to stay off of the road. So that means if you plant trees and it's an oak tree, I don't care what kind of tree it is, make sure it goes in on your property enough or it needs to be cut all the way up because
somebody's going to have to pay for that eventually to get picked up and it should not be the town's responsibility and cost to do that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else? Karen plant
Karen Plant. Um yeah, the these sight lines I feel like they're they're um coming after people that have been here for many years. So like you added trails that used to be forested areas with gopher, tortoise, owls, and
everything else. and then you put a trail in and now all of a sudden my corner is not correct or somebody else's corner is not correct because now you want a line of sight with the trail on top of the road and then the driveway is the same thing. When the water district was here um we actually got approval for
putting our plants and our fence in and then they widened the road and they kept pushing it and pushing it even though I showed them where my pins were, where our property line went to and they said, "Well, it doesn't matter." Um, I think the the line of sight, yeah, I I'm glad
you guys are tableabling that for now. Um, but I think people have been here for many years and had had approval for doing what they did. Now you want to tell us we have to take everything down and redo it because there's this line of sight. And uh, I don't think it's right.
I think if you slowed people down, I had people go by my house going 50 miles an hour. I mean, to me, paving these roads was one of the worst things we ever did. We have a lot of cutthroughs now because of it because people from all other places want to cut through on our roads because now they don't have to worry
about the dirt and I don't think you put enough speed bumps in personally because it's not slowing them down. They're going by very fast. I'm on collecting canal and that's all they do is whiz by and if it wasn't for that I don't think we would have such a problem. And a lot of these other places you could add stop
signs to slow people down. I know some people still go through stop signs, but um there are ways to slow traffic down and make it a little harder for these people to speed and not require this line of sight out of people's driveways.
Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Opposed? Passes five to zero. On to item number 16. Anybody have any questions? I think we're going to bring that back more formally at the next meeting. So, I think that's just kind of
>> informational for you guys. Yeah. No. >> Item number 17. Same thing. Justformational. Anybody have any questions? No. >> 18. >> Mary already covered this. I also mentioned it as well. >> 19. Same thing. You guys both covered.
So, we are on to any comments on non-aggenda items. Ryan McNeel. >> Oh, >> well, they're not yet. >> Not yet. >> At least 10. >> Brian McNeel, 3506 B- Road. I like to
call myself Brian Roundabout B- Road because we got to do it. But that's not what I'm here for tonight. Um, a while back I was asked uh I think by uh Jim Jim Fletcher, what was his name? >> To take a walk with him on the equestrian trail when they were hashing
it out to make sure it worked. And uh uh it was a pleasure to see it go in. Here's why I'm standing here. I go up and down B- Road probably more than anyone in this room based on my business in Wellington and what I do and where I do it. Tractor Supply, fuel, parts
store, you name it. Liquor store. Sure. And >> yes, >> ever since. >> Thank you for your honesty. >> I try to be I try to be keeping it real. >> Although >> you live on North Bay, you got a little bit. >> No. All of January. No beer.
>> Good for you. >> Can't you tell? Anyway, um I was coming out um the other day where I was looking at where the horse trail I thought was going to have a nice crossing. Well, um there's a tree branch growing
over the stop sign at the end of what is now uh Tangerine. And the people who are not familiar with the way we drive here don't see it and they think that that's a straight through to go to Southern. Having almost
been killed today by somebody who just blew straight through that, I got mad and then I went back and I looked and you can't see that stop sign. The stop sign is obscured if you're far to the right because somebody's coming on the left. And I don't know if I don't know who's
responsible for that, but somebody's going to get hurt because after that spine tingling incident, two little girls on ponies came out of the the crossing and wanted to go over to the shopping center. And if that guy had
gone right instead of left, he would have killed him. Pearson Road has an effective horse management warning system and I beg of the us if we are a true equestrian community, get a donor, get
someone to put the money up so that we don't have a tragedy. But in the meantime, if I'm allowed to do it without getting sued or have to do a proof of insurance, I know how to run a chainsaw. I will be happy tomorrow morning to go up and cut that tree branch down, but I don't know if I'm
allowed to do that. >> Private property, sir. >> Okay. Who does that in our stuff? >> I think the homeowner to do it, unfortunately. >> No, no, no. This is part of the development. >> It It's It's solar sport. >> It's solar.
>> I think the pertinent people in the room heard your cry, so >> I just want to act quickly and I'm happy to do it, but I know I can't. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm just going to >> Well, you can. >> Appreciate you. >> I can >> appreciate you. >> Maybe it'll get hit by lightning tomorrow morning at about
>> You can, but you may not. >> You can, but that gentle. >> Thanks, Roundabout Brian. >> I like that. Round about Brian. Use it. >> Okay, we are we're done. Public comments. Okay, great. So, we're on to our town manager report. None of this
time, Mr. Curts. >> I'm gonna keep the flow going. 9:00's a possibility, I guess. >> Uh, town clerk, as acting town clerk, nothing. Nothing here. >> I did more than enough tonight. Thanks, >> uh, Craig.
>> Yeah, >> good to go. Mr. McClendon. >> Very efficient meeting. >> Some questions for him. >> Oh, it's just his comments, but go ahead. >> Okay. >> Did we Did we get a nutrient report on the water yet?
>> Awesome. where we have nine different areas. It'll be three on collecting three. >> So there's no historic nutrient collections. >> Bill L might have some information. I bet you talk to Bill. >> South Florida Water Management has to
have it. >> Trying to get a new one so we know how much nutrients from that because from back then we have now they're huge more. >> Yeah. But it'd be great to have the comparison I think is her point. So if you could talk to Dr. or to South Florida Water Management and
try to get some historic based on our increased usage. That would be fabulous. >> Well, how many times have we been told we have to clean our water because our nutrient levels? Well, apparently there is no history of our nutrient levels. >> So, I heard you laugh. >> Thank you, dear.
>> You're welcome. Um, and then the gate at the end of the sod farm on the west corner of the sod farm that kept uh road traffic off of the canal bank there on North Road. That's gone. Okay. Why is it gone?
Why are cuz we're just letting now cars whiz on that. Okay. How are we stopping them? If I do close that gate, you would not be able to get a force down there. So, all the metal gates that are through the town are open because back in the
day, they would stop traffic and all the gates. Now, if we do close them all, you won't even get a horse by >> Well, I saw you did on that a road and you we put enough. Yeah. So, >> we're actually modify the gates and bring them back so we can have a 32 32
inch gap for actual horse crossing. >> So, we'll see we'll see that gate return. Yes. Okay. And then any >> they actually got put over to a road >> that that's the one that's now yellow. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Nice. Uh and then I saw that you guys put in the horse crossing signs, but we
don't have trail head signs yet. >> Okay. Okay. Awesome. And her homes updates. >> We are working on it correctly. We're waiting on a return work order from >> Okay. So the f and collecting >> fourth return from the
>> do we have a deadline? >> We don't have a deadline right now. >> Okay. All right. >> Have to wait for their return. And as soon as they give it, we give him the notice proced. >> Okay. Well, that's a deadline, >> but exactly. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else have any questions for
Craig while we're here? >> I do. I have one. >> Did you not try to get the nutrient reports from South Florida? >> No, I did not. >> Okay. because we need to we need to go ahead and get them. We have requested them before. >> We have relied on their nutrient reports
um not being negative as being our main means of uh water quality. So that's why we need to have them. Thank you. I'm sorry to interrupt. >> So we have had access to those newspaper. his predecessor, his
predecessor requested them and I don't know how many he has, but they were requested because South Florida does do testing. So, >> okay. Thank you. >> Well, that answers that question completely. Okay, Todd, you're up first.
>> Yeah, very efficient meeting. Um, we didn't make we didn't break the nine o'clock, but but we're we're close. Um, you know, it's nice to see the misinformation be debunked here with the grant application and that sort of thing. It's sad to see the misinformation that's put out there and
spread because if it's on the internet, it must be true. >> Um, you know, it'll be good to see this thing move forward, to see that all hell's not going to break loose and commercial is not going to go to Okachobee Boulevard from Southern Boulevard. You know, it's like I said, it most of our problems that we have in
this town are internally. They're not external. It's what we have here in town, the divisiveness and everything. And maybe after March 10th it'll settle down again, but I suspect not. Um, but anyway, all we can do is just keep trying to do the right thing and move forward. Thank you,
>> Lisa. >> Um, on North B Road, we're seeing grading again getting wider and wider. Um, so, okay, thank you. Uh and then I had requested phase one and phase two
appropriation spending uh documentation and the council received Senate appropriations for this year. It's not what I asked for. So the town received a million and a half previously and I was just trying to get clarification. I I
tried to do some research um today in my limited time. I did find just some general reference to some culverts and things. So, um, it's it's unfortunate that our major structures did not get addressed with some of that funding. So,
um, you know, I just my concern is should we see any kind of state audit as we know they're all running around looking >> doing forensically at spending uh, that we see, you know, documentation of this stuff. So, and I think that's it.
>> Excuse me. Before Craig goes, Mr. Lowour's predecessor was responsible for that. Um, Mr. Lowour picked up on that and has done all of the recordkeeping and reporting. Um, and he has spoken
directly to the project manager for that appropriation. All of the projects were identified on the capital plan and I believe Mr. can send you his detailed submission to the quarterly reports.
>> Correct. It's in the quarterly reports and so we can send that to you. And for the second appropriation, half of it is under contract with her >> and um another piece of it is yet to
begin, but it should all be completed again before June. Is that correct? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So you will provide that detailed information to the town council. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. And it's not normal quarterly reports, quarterly reports to the for those appropriations.
>> Awesome. Thank you. >> You're done. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Okay, Paul. >> All right. So, I assume we have when they put the the trail in that we have an agreement with Solar Sport about maintenance, right? >> We do. And we go back to them when we see that it's out of maintenance. And I
would defer. I was correct in saying that the right person was in the room to hear that we needed to contact Solar Sport. >> Awesome. You >> sir, >> um I know it's a probably like a shot in the dark, but is there some way that it's going to sound reactionary or whatever, but I I don't travel North B
Road a lot, so I don't pull off of North B Road a lot. And since I'm not a resident of North B Road, um is it possible we can call AT&T? >> Oh my god. We >> another time one more time. I'm not saying you have it, Greg. I'm just
saying I know it's happen. >> But listen, >> it all together. >> We've not only just called them, we have actually gotten, you know, some local lobbyist effort into it if I recall properly. And we have also sent them a
letter, I believe, from the mayor. Um, we have saying that we were reporting them >> for in general or just for that We did that was also Mr. Low >> in general in general right >> a lot of stuff >> was asked to report them to the public
service >> I I believe that Mr. devour, dude. >> Pointed in me asking that question do it. >> We're on the the we're beating our head against the wall like everybody else with AT&T. >> AT&T, Comcast, and
>> All right. That's But that that's not a PL poll, right? >> The one mentioned tonight. >> I'll do this, >> right? Yeah. There's a way to tell necessarily. It's not their poll anymore. Our poll, but then they had
wires on it. So now it's their poll. Exactly. >> If council would like to give consensus, we do have a tool we can use. U it might open up, you know, Pandora's box, but we can site AT&T for nuisance.
>> Okay, let's make sure that it's their poll first. >> Well, that's been Well, it's got a tag. It's got to have a tag on. It's got to have a survey tag. >> So, yeah, >> the the thought is if we cite him for >> get him for the side triangle if he wrote it.
>> That's the one I'm talking about. >> If we if we cite him for the if we cite him for the nuisance and we anticipate that that doesn't get a response um either then we've got a justification for taking it down ourselves. >> Can I retroactively charge them for putting the pole in the outside the
easement and trespassing my property to cut down purple pole? Is that possible? >> Um so, okay. So that >> do we have a consensus to site them? Does everybody got the coahones to do it? >> Well, I I think we need to verify polls first, I think, because there's a big debate as to what poll that is. So
>> I don't think I don't think Lisa can be I don't think Lisa can be part of the consensus. >> She lives on North B Road. Can she be part of the consensus? >> I'm I'm I'm being facitious. Todd, it's the end of the night. >> We're gonna get out of here before 10. I'm a happy boy.
Um, >> yeah. Let's see what we can >> send consensus. >> We're throwing stuff against the wall, right? >> For all of them. >> AT&T. >> And luckily we luckily the town before before some of us were sitting up here,
you know, at the management paid for Mr. Lowour to get certified as a code enforcement officer, right? So, he's had training in such things. So, he he's I'm sure he's got a map of them, whatever. So, I'm sure we can facilitate that somehow, right? He's got he Mr. Lowour
has lots of hats. Yeah. Know, >> last last he's getting a new hat. I hear since we're looking at designs of gates for for trails and I'm you know I don't want to step on the trails committee's feet but Sirwick right South Indian
River I think it's theirs or it might be Palm Beach counties you know um Riverbend has a trail system up there right and they have access points to to Jupiter Farms and they have some really interesting ways to address the horse crossing instead of just poles sticking
up like this. So you got to weave in. It's actually kind of open and you can't get an ATV over it. >> Correct. >> Right. So I I don't know if you're aware of it. So >> that was one of the reasons why they they go to a 32 inch wide, right? >> 99% ATVs are almost >> right. There's some other kind of
horizontal member. >> I don't know. I just want to throw out there. Thank you very much. >> I'm a contact with Indian River so I can get with them. >> Thank you. >> Was inspired by something called I forgot something. >> May I say something? Well, it's a it's a cool item. um a council member Coleman
item. Um we Mary didn't talk about it quite that much, but Craig and the folks from county parks and wreck and their planners who do design actually toured through town and through the park and we are looking at um similar trail heads to
those that you're talking about and having the county go ahead and kind of reach >> Yeah, we're trying to work with them so we can integrate more equestrian into this pond right next to us. get bigger plans into it. one more thing.
>> Forgot and hats reminded me. Uh, one of the things when I met for communications um and it ties in with the 20-y year anniversary was to um launch a new logo. That's a more simplified version that >> Karen and I were just talking about that.
>> Yeah. So, um >> something that combines the 250th anniversary of the country, the >> not necessarily that sounds pretty busy. um simp a little more graphic simple so it's not quite so crazy looking in the in the uh
>> stitchery specific logo for the event is I guess >> oh no no just the new town logo and then incorporate it you know as as things get you know aged and replaced and not necessarily to relaunch it all brand new today but that that was a thought. Okay,
March. >> Yeah. Um, chiming in with the uh the anniversary. Um, I mentioned during the uh joint meeting today that uh the American Legion Auxiliary tomorrow is going to be discussing um the promotion
of the 250th uh birthday and they're asking for members to submit artwork that uh depicts this uh this event. Okay. Um,
I'd like to thank um uh Craig for acting on um a problem that I noticed on the two entry posts. One of them had a a chipped corner and I was afraid that the
um ancient bricks that were there were going to fall in the canal and we wouldn't have them. And how did how did they fix it? It looks beautiful. I cleaned out the tree that was growing behind it. >> That'll do it.
>> All right. Okay. >> So, we already have it in plans that we're going to repaint them and everything, too. All right. What colors they are >> gate? No, those were put in um and they had gates that opened and closed and and that D- road was the original uh access
to all of the property north of Collecting Canal. So, Those are historical things. Just protect them. >> Okay. >> Property. We got them. >> I am excited about the um the solid
waste prices that Francine talked about. That that sounds very exciting. And coastal will be part of the the bidding, right Francine? >> If we go with the piggyback, they will remain our >> Yes. >> Poland, which would make a lot of
people. >> Okay. Yeah, $19 is not bad. Um, I was glad to have uh the progress on Okachoki Okachchobee violations uh addressed
finally. I mean, it's been more than 20 years that we have been as citizens asking for something to be done and it just kept escalating, escalating more and and hopefully now we'll have more
control over it and hopefully um get some tax uh revenue in also. That's it. >> Okay. Uh I'd like to remind everybody of a couple things. The 26 is the uh read
for the record. It's at 10 10 o'clock, right Gabby? That's correct. 10 o'clock at Lahuchi Grove Elementary School. But she'll confirm all that by email. It's my understanding that we're all going to read. everybody is making time to go read. >> So, um she we'll each have a book. We'll
take it to the classroom, present it to the classes. Um if you can't go, um let her know. But she is now operating and and informing the school under the assumption that we'll all be there. Um and and I and last year and the year
before some members of staff went too. So, I don't know if we want to keep doing that. And I'm sure that if if that somebody from the public wants to volunteer, they should get a hold of Gabby. There's um there's a little book and you go in and read it to a class and then just gift it to them. So if you'd
like to volunteer, she's the one to vote to to let know the more people we have reading. For the record, we could win the contest, but probably not because we only have one school, so it's kind of hard. Um uh I'd like to remind all of us that the 17th would be the date for our informal
meeting this month. So, six o'clock on the 17th back here. Um, and I would just like to thank everyone for another evening where we seem to have gotten some things smoothed out. I'm really excited that um
that all of us want to work together on getting the strategic plan together because I think that's really important for the ownership of it and it was actually my vision in the first place for us to do it internally and not hire a consultant. So, I'm thrilled that we we all are so optimistic about being
able to achieve our goal. Um, and with that, I would like a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> 9:15. Mr. Curts. >> Not bad. >> Not bad. >> Impressive. >> Only because
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