I call the meeting to order for the co movement for the January 15, 2026 uh roadway question trails and greenway committee meeting. We get a roll call.
Oh, I'm sorry. Pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call, please.
>> Frank Shyola, >> present. >> Darcy Dean Murray, >> present. >> Katie Lakeman, >> present. >> Ashley Bruce, >> present. Uh and public works superintendent Craig Lowour is appearing via Zoom.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh next is approval of the meetings. We'll uh minutes of our last two meetings. The first meeting we need to approve is from uh October 2nd, 2025.
And when anybody's ready to do a motion to accept I'm sorry. I skipped one thing. Do we have any additions, deletions, or and or modifications to the agenda? >> No. >> Well, >> do you want to you don't want to add
this? >> Okay. Um, I believe we're gonna we're going to have um Miss Mary make a speech here in the beginning. >> Yeah, we're just going to approve the
two ag um past minutes of the meetings and then the public comments come after that. >> I would motion to the October minutes. >> Do we have a second to approve the October 2nd 2025 minutes? >> I'll second. Okay, we have a motion and
a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Motion. >> I wasn't here. So, >> okay. Motion passes. Three 34 one abstaining.
Uh, next is the approval of the uh November 2025 uh meeting. When anybody's ready to do a motion move to approve. >> We have a motion to approve. Do I second?
>> Second again. >> Okay, we have a motion and second. Any uh comments on the on the 112025 minutes? Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. See.
>> All opposed. Motion passes. Four to zero. Moving on to public comments. Mary. >> Good afternoon. >> Hi. Chairman, Vice Chair Murray, and Red Committee um
members, you all are so amazing. I can't say enough both as a resident and also as one of your consultants. You all are have done such a fabulous job and also your team leader Craig Lowour has been amazing. So, I just want to say that real quickly. Exactly. Happy New Year.
Um, a couple of things actually just really one item is that um there is a specific um there's there's potential for some specific improvements or potential for um things that we might be
able to meet with parks on regarding this park, Lock Hatche Groves Park. And what Craig and I thought would be nice is that if we could ask the rec committee if there's anything besides maintenance of the trails or in addition to maintenance of the trails that you
all you know might be interested in thinking of um we know that when I worked with the town the first time uh a couple years back I had brought this project as as far as like let's do something with the underutilized parts
of the park. Um, you know, and make maybe things that aren't used very much, i.e. the baseball area, whichever. Um, let's make it something that, you know, would basically serve the committee or community. So, if there's anything that
you all have any ideas on, feel free to, you know, think about it or tell me now. I mean, but I can't hear you. So, you got to you got to use >> a lot of ideas on that park. I've been eyeballing that park for ever. Can we We
What can we do? I mean, there's I'm sure there's parameters. >> I honestly I don't think Craig, you correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think we should limit ourselves. I mean, I think we should just say what kinds of things we would like. And, you know,
let's just think outside the box and figure out what it is that we really want knowing that we may not be able to do everything, but we could certainly put it in. >> Um I think Ashley's brought up at several different meetings about doing
things at that park, so I'll let her >> Yeah, I mean that the having an equestrian park or at least equestrian this park >> would be absolutely fantastic. There are so many horse people around, right? Like just Citrus, you just go up and down
Citrus, which is the closest street to the park. Tons of horses everywhere, you know? Um, and so it would be just really amazing to have that type of equestrian park here in our backyard. You know, we have one Jim Brmpton kind of far away,
but why can't we use this one? I brought up previously um I like to jump. We like to jump our horses cross country. So, it'd be nice to have a couple cross-country obstacles um around placed around strategic areas.
Um, and so that that's what I've brought up previously. Maybe a little water area too for the horses if you're if you're coming all the way from the other side of Lockachi Grove. You want to give your horse some water, a mounting block. I mean, those are just
some ideas. I'm sure that we can come up with a whole lot more. A parking area. Maybe somebody wants to trailer their horse in like where there's a safe contained parking area for people to to trailer in um to that location. So there's there's a lot of ideas. I think
that it would be really special to have an equestrian our own equestrian park in in this area. It would be nice if Loxa Hatche Groves had a park of their own, right? >> Period. But um I agree with what Ashley said. Um mounting blocks, cross ties,
hoses for the horses because they get hot and they need to be watered down. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff we could ask you for. If you go to Nicole Hornstein Park, >> take a look around. They have two arena, three arenas. They have beautiful
covered places with picnic tables. They have one, two, three wash rack stations. They have a round pen. It's really nice. I mean, they're a little short on parking. That's why there's not any shows there anymore. But this place is huge. We could really do something with
that park. Well, it's funny that you're bringing this up because when I was at the League of Cities barbecue in Belgrade last December, I actually sat and had a halfhour long talk with the head of um of parks and recreation for the county.
>> And we did bring up locks at Chugos Park. And I did ask him, I said if there's something that we wanted to do to make it more uh in line with what our residents are using it for because right now I don't know any residents of Lock AI Rose that use the baseball fields.
There's people that come from out of the area to use them. Now the football field that gets used for soccer and all that, but he goes, you know, we're always open to suggestions. It doesn't mean that we're actually going to do them, but yeah, we can start the ball, you know, moving forward. So, um, you know, it' be
a be nice to come up with a to have the members come up with a list and forward it to to Mary individually by email. >> That'd be fun. >> And, you know, because it's nothing for us to really vote on because there's no we don't own the property. Uh, no, as of this time, there's no funds from the
town going into it and our people would not be doing the work on it. So, um, but I think that would be the best thing to do is just, you know, uh, email it to you and if you wanted to come back at the next meeting and say, "Hey, this is what, uh, what you guys came up with and sort of whittle it down to, you know, a
couple things that we can present to the county." You know, that may be, I think, the way to go to start the ball rolling. >> So, at a minimum, okay, this this is kind of technically our park, you know, but it's not we don't own it. That's the good news, bad news, because if you
don't own it, you don't have to maintain it. And there's a lot of costs that go along with maintaining a park. However, maintenance of the trails, parking, water, >> um, uh, step up, you know, to get on a
mounting block, uh, tie-ups, you know, anything that way at a minimum. So, you know, that's that's what Craig and Francine and I have already talked with. Do you remember who you spoke with? >> Is that feedback on you, Craig? Frank,
do you remember who you spoke with? >> Frank, do you remember who you spoke with? >> I I forget his name. I have his card back at the house, but yes, >> he told me he was the head of parks and recreation. >> Yes. So, we're dealing with the director and she knows that I had brought it up
to her many years ago and we work on a lot of different projects with different clients and stuff. So, you know, I brought it up in the last six months and I was like, we've got to get to it, but we were doing grants and, you know, all these things and so, you know, we'll just figure out, you know, short-term and long-term type goals. And, you know,
Craig's on board with doing things. The other thing is there's no reason that we cannot like think beyond, you know, like just what's already there, okay? because we have quite a few um private and public type um resources that we're
going to tap into to kind of help us. Okay. Because there isn't, you know, the funding is very scarce, but they're willing to help us with that as well. >> Question. Is it considered a horse park? Like are the trails part of the county? >> The trails that are here, is that part of the county park or is that >> It's part of the county park. It's
actually >> Yes, that's all the county >> and it's only equestrian trails. It doesn't say multi-use, which is interesting because I, you know, everything that we've been doing has actually been multi-use, but theirs are specifically equestrian, but it, you
know, maintenance is our priority first. You know, things and, you know, we're going to bring back at least that on a short-term basis. I can tell you I did reach out to the county to have like a farmers market slashtax sale slash swip
swap and um because we were trying to look for fundraisers for the town for the trails um and they told me I have to apply for permit six months out. >> You do? So >> I I mean knowing that I do the permits and stuff, everything with the county on
the right of way for Okachobee when we do cleanups with the LGA, it you know there's a there's a process, you know, um but we also have an ongoing contract that we had to have with the county as well in order to do some things. But, you know, there's nothing that we can't try to do, you know, either with the
LJLA, other nonprofits, anybody that wants to help. I'm want to I'm open to bringing in everybody. And that's what I talked about with with um when we met yesterday, you know, as far as it goes. So, if you'd like, please do me a favor.
Any of the ideas that you want to send to me, please feel free to send to me, but copy um Craig as well, you know, because I'd like to keep everybody in the loop. Do not send things to all of you all together because we're not going to break Sunshine Law. And even easier than that, you can just call me and I'll
make sure that he gets all the information, too. and and Mary when you get that all together >> you can come to the next meeting then we can figure out what's the course >> the the the top priority and work our way down from there. Yeah, it's it I mean it's pretty clear most equestrians
that I've spoken to. Everybody says the same thing, you know. My husband included because he's like, "Look, you can't park. If you want a trailer, you can't get in there. You you know, whichever." So, not that he's trailing horses these days. >> I'd like to see an, you know, an arena over there where the baseball field is
at and to the north there where the, you know, there's the palm trees and all that. That could be a parking area in there. And you know, so if you have an arena, then you can do the the uh the jumping, you you can do the exercising, you do the other stuff. >> So I think what's really important right
now is that we're we're looking what's really important right now is we're looking for ideas. Okay? We don't as far as how we do things and stuff. >> It's a county park. There's county planners. There's, you know, really smart people that do that kind of stuff.
So, we're going to, you know, let them do a few things and like kind of come up with different options and stuff. So, thanks you guys. I'm sorry to to barge in on your meeting, but I was so excited to be able to come. Okay. And good work on everything.
>> Members, please remember it's not going to hurt to ask for what you want. So, please give us all the ideas that you can. >> Are there any other public comments? Hearing none, we'll go on to number agenda item number two. Um update on
F-RO multi-use trail signs. Craig, that's you. >> Yep. So, we have installed um five or three signs along the F-OD for the trail use. Um I've ordered 20 more so far. I'm just waiting for them to come in to put
them all down the F- road. Um we are we've already installed you know three of them going down F. The next idea is to we got um horse crossing signs coming in as well. So to put those at Okchobee
Boulevard and any of the um crossroads like Kerry Lane um 12th and you know in general all the roads that cross. So we can actually have horse crossing signs for those areas. They will not be flashers. They'll just be the normal
yellow horse crossing signs. >> Any any questions for Craig? >> My comment was I'm not crossing Okobee unless there's a crosswalk and some flashing lights. He is that way putting your life in your hands. >> I understand.
it. So, I did already get the um >> would be better used at like I don't know F road and North Road at that corner. No, that's E road and North Road. >> You know, we Yeah. Right. Exactly. I
mean, there's places in Lockahhatchee that could use horse crossing signs, I think. You know, >> I understand. So, >> and road. So the initial was is because Fro is like our own real designated horse trail road.
Our question I get it the connectivity. >> Yes. So that is our main road. So we are trying to you know label that road itself. >> Right. Well that's >> like the Chevy one won't happen yet. >> So 20 20 signs are going to go on Ephra
that say yield to horses. Come again, ma'am. I'm sorry. >> 20 signs are going to go on F road. >> No, no, ma'am. I just I ordered 20 more signs of the actual
>> um horse trail, the rule signs. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Any other questions from the committee on for um for Craig on this >> on the specific item? No.
No. Okay. Moving on to number three. Update on North Road Horse Trail signs. Craig. >> So, yeah. So, I I wanted to go back to the F and Okachchobee. The um it it is a big liability for crossing there. Um we
are going to I did get the um the print from Wellington for their actual crossing to for their horse crossing signs. Uh we are trying to get it approved with engineering. Um myself and Mary have been speaking with another
lady about it as well um to actually put it in in the process. So we are trying to get it moving forward to actually put the real horse flashers up with the full crossing. >> You're talking about the county engineers, right?
>> Yes. I mean our engineers have to prove it plus with theirs. >> Okay. No, what what >> the um the North Road horse trail signs. >> So, I don't I don't know if everyone's noticed yet, but we have going out on
North Road where all the you know the roads are town culvert pipes crossing over the north road canal or any road coming to the north road trail. We have
the horse out there. Um, I'm waiting for the crossing signs to come in as well. >> I'm sorry. Can you hear me still? >> Yeah, it's kind of cutting, but yeah. >> Wait, you didn't hear what you said about North Road?
So on North Road, we have installed um the yellow horse signs that go along where all the um culvert pipes are that are town culvert pipes that are crossing the north road canal. Can you still hear me?
>> Yes. >> Okay. So we we went all the way from 40th and 140th. put we have installed a horse sign there for a horse trail and we've gone all the way down. I think we're almost to the U 160 at the A- road
now and installing the signs all the way down so that it is marking that there is a trail on the north side. So anybody going across the culvert pipes over the north road canal will know there is a horse trail there. That's right.
>> Any any questions for Craig on this issue or update? No. >> Okay. Thank you, Craig. Uh, moving on to committee member comments. We'll start off with Katie. >> I don't I don't have any comments, I
don't think. Okay, >> great. Uh, next one is who's vacant? >> Um, Ashley, >> I So, I have a question for Craig. Um, it's on the F-RO Trail. There's I know that eventually you guys are going to be doing this collecting canal project. Um
FO collecting canal um your equipment sitting out there. There's piles of dirt, piles of rocks. And so I'm asking if there's a there's an there's a way to move some of the dirt or the rocks away from the fence on
the F-RO can uh on the F-road trail because you cannot get like it's a dead end. In other words, like there's a fence, there's all these rocks, and so you can't go >> there. We can clear a path right there. I did notice it the other day. We just
been so busy trying to work on the A-Rod project. Um, I can have one of my guys come out there with a machine and clear a path that so you can get around that dirt right there so you can get along on that driveway to that horse farm right there and you can walk that all the way out to collecting.
>> Is that what you're asking? >> Yes, that's exactly what I'm asking. Thank you. >> Okay. Yeah, we can take care of that for you. And I'm sorry for the inconvenience for that. >> Um, does that conclude your comments?
>> Um, >> um, I have Has anyone been in the um, Solar Sport trails? Did they clean that up in there? Has anyone been inside there? >> I know Miss Katie goes in there a lot. >> I took pictures. It's beautiful. They
did a really nice job. Everything is cleaned up. >> Good job. Good job. Thank you. >> Oh, I've been there twice since we spoke and they've It's amazing. Not one piece of I mean there's there's going to be like I don't know if they're homeless people or whoever. There's there's stuff
that you can't help that's kind of in the bushes, but as far as that area where the picnic bench and stuff is, that's all clean. Perfectly clean. >> Okay. >> Garbage can was clean. for a a little quick update for as we're speaking at
that park. Um we're Seaw Road going to go down to the Seaw Road Horse Trail Crossing at collecting. >> Um we are installing two gates down there and then we'll be putting Bullards in to go all the way across at the end of uh South Sea Road where it goes into
collecting. So you're you're going to see a little bit of uh construction down there in next week. And what what is the what's the goal there, Craig? >> Um what what I don't know if you see it. The problem is is that we're having a
lot of cars are coming down the end of South Sea going down and then they're taking the canal bank trying to go all the way back to Publix down the horse canal bank. >> Oh wow. >> Because their GPS is telling them that's a road.
>> I'm going to have to look at that. Oh, GPS says that's a road and they're driving all down that canal bank where they shouldn't be. >> Wow. Okay, good to know. I'll look at it. >> Yep. You'll see it. It'll still have the the ballerton with, you know, 36 inches
wide so you can still cross. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Um, referring back to November 20th comment about the hospital, did that ever get addressed at all or did anybody looked into >> No, I have not got a response back from
them. They're kind of really full-blown in in their construction deal over there right now. >> I mean, so someone has been someone reached out to them at least. >> Yeah, I've called over there to talk to them. I was waiting for a response back. >> Okay. Thank you for doing that. And
>> the only thing I have um to the committee is I feel we should really go forward on naming Katie's trails all these >> we need to come up with a theme.
>> Yeah themes >> yeah by all means to do the you know names on the trail. So, you know, the map, >> well, it's not only that. It's that if there's a if there's, you know, >> when it's on a road, but if it's an injury in one of these ones here, you
know, having the fire rescue with a map that says blue trail or whatever you're calling it, they know where to go to where blue trail and yellow trail intersect. You know, they have an idea of where to go to from there. >> I mean, right now we refer to as all these trails, but yeah, we don't want that, >> right? And I say Lockxah Hatchee Trails,
but now I just found out that the park's called Lockache. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's because I said that to myself, >> which has we can't just say Locks Hatche because then we'll be in the acorage. That won't work. >> People even know that these horse trails
are here and they're not on our map. So, I move to name the park. I'm not sure how we want to go about it. >> We have to do that as an agenda item. If you want that on the next agenda, we're in comments.
>> That would be great. >> Any other comments for you? Are you good? >> That's it. >> Great. >> Of course, I have another one right in the middle of everything. Does this go all the way down to Dro? I call Dro Park. Can you get there from here?
You're talking about the horse trail here right next to us. >> Can you keep going? >> No, you actually come in off of um >> the road right over here. I forget the name of it. >> Yeah, you you're supposed to come in off of this off of F road crosses over East Citrus and then you come into the back
of the park literally right behind the building you're sitting in now and you would come into the trails there >> and the trails are basically it's a closed system. It goes around the park then you exit back out onto Cetrus again. But you could ride right down Citrus to the other park which is also
on Citrus. The one with the baseball field. >> Yes, it's all Yeah. Okay. That's what I That's what I was asking. Is it or there's a break? >> Yeah, this does connect all the way behind the baseball fields. >> Oh, that's good. Okay. Cuz I I've never ridden in this part, but I have ridden
in that field which I thought was a soccer field and now I find out it's baseball. I rode in the the um park behind the town hall here uh two weeks ago. >> And it was it was great. It was wellmaintained. It was easy to ride in. Actually, my kids rode in there, so it was really nice.
>> Oh, enjoyable. >> That's good to know. >> Um I do have one more thing. And looking at the map in in reference to East Citrus, are we going to try and connect the Tangerine over to um and through over to the Aldi's, for lack of a better
name, park trails? Is there a way? Yeah. >> Oh, you're talking about west of D road. >> I'm looking on the map here from E from E to C. I guess is there a way to make tangerine? Since citrus is our
horse trail, it's greens. Tangerine. >> You could take citrus all the way down to public works. You would just cross the concrete bridge at public works. Um, and then you would walk west D all the way down to the corner and you would
take that of what they call six court there and you could take sixcore all the way to the back of um, Solar Sport right out to where Katie rides. >> So if you were to go west on on Tangerine, go down and cross over the
public works bridge and go on the west side of the Dro Canal. >> That would be over by Powman. Yeah, you take it all the way around where Coleman's at and there's actually >> there I go there all but I'm saying are we gonna connect >> and I wanted to connect to this other
one. That's I think the goal. There's got to be another way besides going by the >> the public works department because that's that part of D road is a little >> Yeah, >> that's not >> it's not marked as our trail. So that's what I'm asking. Are we going to have
anywhere connecting those two green green endings? >> We want to see a blue there. In other words, >> green's a usable trans something to work on. >> Yeah, that space. Let's just go. >> Yes, correct. I mean, it's it's a giant
work in progress. >> I'm just asking. >> I do know that is a No, >> we lost him. That would be awesome because I'm not worth making. >> Yeah, I mean you can almost write the whole perimeter of the town.
>> We can ask them to do a study or look into that and and advise as to like how they can make that the blue, you know, the town staff working on >> and it has to be another option I think other than going down V road because of that light and because of it connecting
to southern it's just a very busy area. I'm not flying. >> Exactly. No, thank you. >> Well, I think we lost Craig. I had a question to ask him about the when the Culver pipes are going to go in over here on Collecting Canal. I've been asking it. Keeps telling me every month
they're going to start in a couple weeks. And then it was >> that equipment, too. >> No, no, that's the that's the contractor's equipment, but I don't understand how they can afford to let stuff sit there for a year >> and that, you know, I mean, that's stuff that they haven't got paid for yet. the culverts and all that, but I want to see
that area tore up. I want to see the the cover pipes in so we can move on with life because that's actually blocking a good part of the the trail. >> I als I also want to see for an an agenda item in the future. Um I want to see more of those the potential for those horse bridges, the the one that's
at Sea Road, though that would greatly open up a lot of these trails. >> And that's what I was sort of thinking for that getting from that one part with the baseball field. That's right. >> To that sixth avenue. >> Okay. >> If we could just get there that way
instead of going up. >> We just need a horse horse bridge. And those are pretty inexpensive compared to putting the Exactly. So for an agenda item for I think for the future when Craig's Craig maybe can think about it a little bit more. Is that that blue that
trail that you were mentioning between the two parks and then additional horse bridges? >> Um >> excuse me. That was Craig calling and saying he keeps getting bounced out. >> So, he's trying to call back in. >> Oh, there we go. He's there. There he is.
>> So, Craig, can you hear us? >> Oh, >> we can't hear him. >> Can you hear me now? >> Yeah, there we go. Hey, so my question is about the culvert pipes at collecting canal and and efro. Um, when can we
expect to see that that backhoe digging stuff up? >> We are in the process of working with the contractor to get them back on track. Right now, um, I don't have a designated time to give you. So, it's it was a whole thing or deal with rewriting
work orders with to go with the legal on the contract itself. >> I mean, can these guys actually do the work or do we just need to get somebody in there to get the work done? They're ready to go full tilt. It's just the contract, the way it was
things were purchased, we have to rework it. The contract's right. We just have to redo the work orders with them cuz we're using them to do all our catch basins as well. >> On that same note, Craig, is that that stockpile of sand and rocks and stuff
over where I park on I guess Sea Road on the other side of Sea Road? Does that have anything to do with this? >> No, that every everything over on South Sea is town's property, town's material. That is just where we are where the town
is. >> Yeah, that's the only place that we can stockpile stuff. >> Okay. Just curious if it was going to like be done when this covert deal was done, but doesn't seem like it, but whatever. >> Okay, so our uh we're on to confirmation
of the next uh meeting date. February 19th, 2026. Is everybody good with that date? >> Yes, >> I'm good with it. >> You're good. Yeah.
I will not be here. >> Okay. >> Should we change it? >> Well, three of us can three of us can be here for it. So, that's a quorum. >> Yep. Three makes the quorum. >> Okay. >> You know, try we're trying to keep it on track for, you know, keep it
>> I want to keep it on track. We could move it up or back. >> I might be able I'll be in Michigan, but I'll maybe attend by Zoom. >> That would be good. >> It's just because what if one of us gets sick? No, we don't want to interrupt you. >> Ashley, remind me.
>> Okay. >> I have a a question. Um, I know we were working on signs. Were we supposed to get like the sign that say the horses have the rightway and and all that like with the Florida statutes on it saying the horses? I thought that was going to
be part of our signs. So, these signs that you put in that show the rules of the multi-use signs, but I thought we were getting ones also that talked about safety and no horses, slow for horses or something like that other than just the horse with
the rider on it. >> We have our regular signs that you normally see through the town that says, you know, slow for horses. Um, that is in the statue that all it is is that motorized vehicles are just too slow for horses. The horses don't as the statute
says the horses do not have the rightway on a roadway. >> I just thought we >> Yeah, >> I'm trying to refresh my memory. I thought that we had discussed >> getting signed that told people that there is actually a statute to yield to the horses.
>> And then my next question is when can we get the horse crossing signs on South since the three three out of the four of us ride there frequently? Uh, you're talking about the rule signs, >> the just any horse crossing sign at at
the bridge mostly and on South Road because that's very frequented by riders. >> Yeah, we're working on it right now. Like I said, we just ordered more signs. We just put out all the signs on North Trail. Um, so we have more coming out. I
have one part-time guy that does all the signs for the town. So, he's steadily installing signs as he goes. Yeah, I'm I'm mostly concerned about the horse crossing one. So, >> I mean, that's what he that's what I have him going around installing right now.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. So, we'll have our next meeting February 19th, 2026. And motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> I need a first. I need a motion. Oh,
I'll be motion. Second. Okay. meeting Thursday. >> Thank you everybody. >> Thanks Craig. Have fun. >> Thank you guys. Thank you. >> See you next week. >> Yes sir. >> Wait. What's that