We're ready to start. Okay. uh calling the meeting of the roadway and trails and greenway advisory committee to order Thursday, May 15th at 5:09 p.m. Uh can we get a roll? Um call
I'm sorry. We'll do a pledge of allegiance if everybody can stand. Face the flag. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Okay. Roll call, please. All right. Committee member Frank Shyola, present. Committee member Darcy Dean Murray, here. Committee member Katie Lakeman,
here. Committee member Ashley Bur here. And the seat two uh for Regak is currently vacant. Town town manager Ramalia is not here at the moment. Town clerk assistant Sammy Brown is present. Community standards director Karen Gardner
Young is here. Committee lion staff uh committee leaison Craig Lowour is also here. All righty. We have a quum Mr. Chair. Great. Um approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion to approve and a second?
Approve. Second. Second. Have a motion. Second. All in favor? I I. All opposed. Motion carries 40. Approval of the previous minutes from the last meeting that I was not
at. Is there a motion to approve? question about the minutes like do we get for the thing the items that we discussed are we going to get feedback on set item? Yes. Mhm. The action items maybe. Yeah. Yes. And
then I just have one correction. I under the agenda items future improvements and budget priorities. I I don't know that I don't know that I would say lack progress by the town. I think that the town has worked hard to try to do some connectivity and and and has been
present here. So I just I I don't want to have that like read in a negative light. I just want to say that. Okay, that can be updated. You can approve with edits. I'll move to approve. Second. I have a motion to approve and second. All in
favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries. 4 Z. Um, item number one, we've included item number one with the meeting minutes and now we're on item number two. Item number two, discussion regarding partnership opportunity with
Seinal Ridge High School students PSA on equestrian safety. to start. All right. Good. All right. Good evening everybody. I'm Karen Gardner Young. I'm the new community standards director. Uh basically community standards is um code
enforcement, uh planning and zoning, business tax receipt, and I'm assisting in regards to the building departments. So Craig and I are playing the Batman and Robin bit tonight. So um Craig is your leazison, but I'm kind of helping him out because there's a lot of stuff going on in this committee and we want
to make sure that we try to address it as quickly and as efficiently as we can. So tonight we have a great item coming before you. I have two young ladies so I'll have them introduce themselves to you. Um, basically what happened is we found out that these young ladies are great with videos, which I have no
knowledge whatsoever of and I told them that, but they are willing to do a public safety announcement for us, which is great. Um, this is one of those things that we connect with our students and at the same time, education is so important for us. So, I'm going to have
them introduce. they have the PSA that they've done already uh to kind of show you and I think then they're going to ask you some questions on what you might like that PSA to be. I think that's correct. So, young ladies, come on up. Introduce yourselves and who's ever going to take um take control, go for
it. All right. Um hello everyone. My name is Tamson Lee and I'm Reagan Breznahan. Um, so as she mentioned, we are students from Simo Ridge and we were approached with the idea of making a PSA uh for you guys similar to how this one
was created. Um, we just wanted to know of like what are you looking for with this video? How do um how would you want to get this video out into the community? Uh, basic things you want us to like and put into it and all that. Yeah, I'd say basically the process is
um we need to start with what your goal for the video is. just the overall message that you want the audience to gain. And then we need to know how it's being pushed out, whether that be on social media just because the format and the length of the video is going to differ. And then for this specific PSA,
they told us exactly how it wanted how they wanted it laid out. If you guys don't know how you want it laid out, that's fine. We can help you out with that, but that's just the process with how this one was created. So, okay. Should we watch it? Yeah.
Ready? In the acorage, horseback riding isn't just a hobby. It is a way of life. With sprawling properties, dirt roads, and dedicated trails, it's common to see riders sharing the roads with cars. Unfortunately, safety isn't always guaranteed. Luckily, there are some
quick tips to help keep our roads and trails safe. Riders should communicate where they are going by using these hand signals. An arm to the left means that the rider is turning left. Arm to the right means that the rider is turning right. A hand waving up and down means
slow down. A palm behind means stop. An arm waving means please go around. Be on the lookout for signs that indicate an equestrian trail. For more information, visit indenttrail.com. Go to parks and look
for the four equestrian section. Very nice. Yes. So, I guess at this point, um, they're asking for is there and maybe we don't have an answer tonight, which is okay, and we certainly can follow up with, um,
with both the young ladies and talk with them about what we're thinking and maybe you have various options that you might want to think about. But I think again, if I'm going to repeat, make sure you get me right, they're looking for what kind of message do we want? Do you want anformational one? Do you want a safety one? Do you want, you know, uh, you
know, here we are, you know, so there's different messages that obviously you can provide. Then they want to know how we're going to distribute it. Is it going to be social media? We'll put it on our website. Certainly, we can handle that. So, you know, the clerk's office is basically what we have is a PIO or a public information officer. So, they can
go ahead and, you know, we can let you know what options we have available. And then the last thing is if we have any idea on how we want to do it, how we're going to lay it out. And thank God they say they'll help us with that. So if you want to concentrate, and I'll leave that up to you, Frank, to
decide as the chair, do we want to have this as a discussion? Do you want your board to come back and we can communicate uh you know, and figure out how we want to do this? I think have a discussion because, you know, I have three three ladies that that have
horses. I don't have horses, but you know, safety is the paramount issue here, you when you're out on the road. So, I think have the discussion, you know, get an idea of where we want to go because we don't want to be, you know, we're all about not kicking the can down the road. So, if we can do this now and
I I would assume we have to go in front of the town council for approval. Is that pretty much correct? Or can we just, you know, can we just go and get this thing done here and give them the authority to start going ahead with it? And um so I don't think and and again
I'm speaking in a vacuum but my feeling is what would happen is you would make a recommendation and we would just let the council know and then if they had any objections obviously we would come back to the board but I mean I'd rather move faster than slower on this. Yeah. So I think that's probably the best way to do
it. You know I me personally I'd rather discuss it. you know, give them the the points we're looking for here and um you know, get this thing done and get it out there because a PSA does no good if everybody keeps talking about it and nobody can see it. I'll second that
motion. So, please let us know what what messages you might want to provide. Ladies, do we we'll start all the way over there and work our way this way? Yes. Thank you guys again for coming in here and for um showing us this video. I I we ride together and I think the
nature of the trails here are a lot of them are on the roads, a lot of them are on asphalt roads and to get to different trails, you have to go on roads. And so I would like to see the focus um of any PSA really be more so on the driver of
the vehicle. And in your video here, it was great. It was like what should the horseback rider do? But I would like to um see it more from what if you're driving a car and you're approaching horses, what speed should they go? Um should they only pass when they're directed to? Things like that. And even
if the horse is off the road, which sometimes we can kind of scoot off the road, what if the horse spooks and shoots back on the road and the drivers are going 30 miles an hour? It could be it's always scary when we're riding. So me personally, I would like to educate the public on what should the driver be
doing as they're approaching the horses. I agree with that. Um, a lot of the people who come in and out of our town don't live in our town, don't, you know, they don't know horse etiquette. Um, my first thought in seeing this is like, how do we get this on the news? You
know, like advertising that you're you guys did it and say, "Hey, look, Lock Towns, they have this video." That way it's w you know, broad. Um, I'm not sure what the time how long or short you want to make it. I don't know if that's something that we could do, but that that would be my first thing is like,
let's do this and let's see if we can get a news uh station to pick it up just as a little blurb. And so I think it's great and thank you so much for coming in today. I agree with everything they both said.
It, you know, it is that the girls on the horse should do the hand signals and everything, but the driver education is key. Um, we need signs that say slow your entry in equestrian community, but you can't really do that. So, um, and
they could be in Spanish, too. That might be even nicer. So, it's, you know, if we could get it out there at least that the the video that you're willing to make and maybe even do that in Spanish. I you know we're a lot of the people that come out here like they're
not from here saying necessarily that they just speak to manage but there is a lot of nursery drivers and stuff like that. So um on the driver the subject of drivers the presentation that we did for Indian trails actually included driver safety
tips but they did want the video condensed okay to be shorter. So it's definitely doable to make like another video around the same length specifically for drivers. And if you want, I'd be willing, like I think we'd be willing to make two separate videos if you want one dubbed over in Spanish.
My dad speaks Spanish, so I might as well use it. It's great. I think that would be a great idea, right? That like 80% of the demographics or or even maybe um titles at the bottom of titles, right? Yeah.
um uh you know from my point of view um when you have horses on the road and that's mostly where they're going to be at right now till we actually get more more trails in place. But right now the horses are on the road and these roads are basically they're they're two-lane
roads, but they're not two-lane roads because there's no really no place to pull off in most places. So, uh, if if you can visualize that you have one or two horse riders, they're riding on the road and the point to get across is that
slow down to a crawl so that if a horse does jump, you can stop and even if they hit the car, the damage is going to be minimal to the car and, you know, maybe some bruises if the rider falls off, but there's no major major injuries. And um
that's that's what we're looking I think I'm looking to to to get out of this is for me I already know to do this and anybody that lives out here knows to do this. Anybody that works out here knows to do this but people that are doing cutth through they may not know what to what to do with this and and I'm all for
doing more than just one. And when it comes to you know getting it on to the onto a TV station as a public service announcement I think that's very very doable. you know, um getting getting it done and getting it out there first of all and then that way um once it's out
there and it's it starts running on um whatever platform we decide to put on or multiple platforms um then I can go over and talk to some of my my uh contacts at at the local news stations and like you know for example you have ME TV, you
have Grit, you have a lot of these stations that adults watch and and um kids watch and all that and to put the the public service announcements on there so we can get out because I think the you know having it on the internet
is great but um some people like me I'm on the internet a little bit but I don't live on the internet okay you know but I do I do watch a lot of TV at night so um you know definitely do a couple of different commercials one like you know what you had for for um uh the acorage
and another one where you have the you know for us where we can do the um uh you know more about how you pass a horse. You know these are are the accepted principles. The other thing I wanted to add is a lot of our side roads or the sides of our roads are deep
canals and my horse ended up in that canal. Yeah. Not a rider. She just spooked and ran out the gate and ended up in the canal to avoid a car. But I also have the news person who came out to interview my son who rescued her. he
may be immunable to because I was talking about safety, safety, safety. And so a good great platform for you to present to us as well. Um and yeah, let's just do this. Let's let's get it going. I think we should use though local um Katie has a bunch of ch kids
that she could um employ. Yeah, I think it would be good to use our local people and do it maybe part of it at least in our own trailer locks. That's the designated trail just so that it's when people watch it, they go, "Oh, I know
where that is." Yeah. Because we have push a push button with flashing lights if you can see them. Because when I've noticed that because they flash white, if the sun is hitting them, so when you're, you know, make sure that when you're into that, you're killing cross
one. Yeah. Well, we have a video that we'll be able to play now. Yeah. We want to show you what our obstacles are. But do you have any questions or feedback or do you have any ideas? Are you equestrians? What made you guys come up with the concept? We didn't exactly come up with
concept for this. It was um our teacher um mentioned this project to us and so we just kind of um got to go out into the community and find out what those people wanted. Okay, that's all. Thank you very much. And then Reagan. Yes. You
graduating this year? I am. Where is Maloy? No, not anymore. I'm going to uh University of Florida. Go Gators. Go Gators. My son is in New York. In a school in New York, that's because I don't know where Malloy is. But congratulations. So, and when you're
ready to do this, if you're going to be doing it on the road, the town will get with the sheriff's office ahead of time to make sure that the sheriff's office is there so it's safe for everybody to to do this. Good point. we can maybe reach out to the mounted unit and see if they want to be part of the video and
so yeah thank you. So do you want to play the video that that um and the girl might be able to see the video is not coming up because it's private. No. Okay. Well, can you play the grainy one then? Let me or can we connect her phone? Yeah. How do you look?
Yeah, we can't connect it. It was I was having problems emailing it. Can I do a WhatsApp? So, it sort of gives you an idea of what we're looking for and you guys can um you know, produce it and you know, get an idea of
what it and and then bring it back to us and and then we can go from there because we you know, this is something we really need to get done out here. And um it would be nice to get it, you know, countywide. And not only does it, you know, you're actually on TV with your
PSA and Mr. right is really like wow, you know, it it gets the message out not only for Lockach Girls but for the entire horse community in Palm Beach County. Jupiter and Jupiter. Um, out of curiosity, you mentioned that you had a couple of students. How would
we be able to get in contact with them? I've mostly been commun communicating with Mary over phone. Any Mary's fine. I mean, you can I'll give you my phone number. Would that work? Yeah, that works if you wanted to. Oh, yeah. It'd be a lot of the students from the
um and these are going into seminal age this year. So that's exciting. Yeah. I had to say I think our biggest thing is driver safety. Yeah. Most car riders know what to do. It's driving. Yeah. We
like ingrained it in truck drivers speed limit. Well, and also people that pull trailers when they go over the speed humps, they make that that that dump and yeah, everything rattles and horses will get
spooked by something like that. So, you know, there there's a bunch of things different things that you can you can um um you know, look at and put it together and then that way you have a you can give us a running idea of what you're looking at, how to how to make this
thing go from from one end to the other. Right. We could like I'm sure all of us have a truck and a trailer we could bring out and and have that in the video if you want. You know where it shows that loud when they send it. We have a
it's gonna be an hour long video. We're trying one video you can put like on our site that you can link to and that could be you know decent length. But for like what they're saying like social media it's got to be like time frame. Yeah. 15
to 30 seconds. 15 minutes and and 30 seconds and and if we want something, you know, to play on local television stations, they want 15 maximum 30 seconds. Well, what they'll do is they'll take I just sent you another I don't like
text. I don't know if that and if not that's I do. Damn it. Can she air drop it to you? Um, actually, yeah. high quality. We need to air drop video.
Yes, this is it. You should be able to air drop. Oh, iPhone. Is that you? That's me. More than one way to get catched. Well, this is not even a long It's 37 seconds video. So, it's like all It still came
through. Grainy. Well, they can get it to them. We can watch it and then Yeah, but yeah. Okay, go ahead and play it. Grainy. Oh, we can't. It's not sending. So, for some reason. Okay. We tried.
I've tried. You can probably go on to Facebook and get it. No, it's private. Why don't we Why don't we do this? We'll keep trying because again this will be taped and the girls can obviously look at it if they can get it going or we can send you we'll send you the link just make sure
that that uh that um somebody has your here has your email address and we'll send you the link to that so you can take a look at it and hopefully we'll see you at the next meeting and you'll dazzle us and which I'm sure you will. When is the next meeting? We haven't
decided yet. It feels like on Thursday, but with it with your email address, we'll give you plenty of notice. We'll give you a couple weeks notice for it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, ladies.
Okay. Moving on to regular agenda number three. This is going to be a great thing. I think good things will come up. What's that? No public comments. Oh, any public comments on number two? There are no public comments, Mr. here. Good. Good
catch. It's okay. Um, number three, discussion of signs, acceptance, and placement for town trails. And if you take a look in your packet, the supplemental items were provided, which are two images of a trail signs. I saw them earlier. Thanks for emailing them.
I actually saw them earlier. Yeah, not a problem. Any discussion on these? So these are where are these going? Because if these go on the road, this doesn't really these are.
So what you're looking at right there is is a sign that was produced before and that what we're looking at, you know, would go on our trails to try to keep a lot of like the ATVs and dirt bikes off the trails. Um, it's not saying it's going to keep them off, but it's
something to help deter them. Okay. Um, obviously we know this is the wetlands. This is their sign to stay on their trails. That's over in the M area. Um, we we have new signs that we're putting out for all the statue signs. We're trying to replace all the old ones that
have old stickers. I I do have one employee that is going around and replacing all town signs across the whole town right now. So, we are going to replace all the statute signs as well that say, you know, in the state statute says to slow down for horses. It doesn't actually say you have to stop, right?
But it does say you have to slow down and you do. Yeah. It says it it actually says you slow down to horses. It doesn't say you have to stop for them or yield over. It just straightly says slow, which is Yeah, I suggestive.
So, I just um Miss Diane Jenkins, I understand, has two of this sign available currently. She's holding them and I have one in the office. Five of this. So, we just have to figure out where to place these. Is that what we're doing? See, these are form. This is to
the wetlands area. The wetland preserve. Okay. So, so we would not post. We're not going to post those. This is not our property to post on, but we're going to be posting two of these. So, this was an option, okay, to if we want to post the we're we're going over this for options, what we want our signs to look like um
over I know over at Wellington when I ran a sign shop over there. A lot of signs were educational signs of like, hey, riders must wear helmet, riders must wear this, riders are at your own risk. They have a whole thing on what to ride on. Um, I actually forgot to email
it over to to Sammy what actually Wellington sign is what their actual like they have at entrance of every one of their trails coming in. There's a whole set of signs. You have to obey by those. Um, so this is just options of
what we're going to what you guys want so we can move forward on saying, hey, how we're going to produce all these signs out, right? So the signs haven't been ordered. Nothing's been ordered. These are in existence. This D one of these in the office. Two of these. I
have one of these in the office. So, like I said, if these before we put signs up, we need to know exactly what we're going with. I don't want to put something up and council goes, "Hey, we don't like that. We don't want it." Well, I just got an email from Mary. Unfortunately, she's not able to join
us. For some reason, she's having technical difficulties, but she told me to inform the committee that these signs are for the Groves Town Center trails. Okay. Just letting you know. Is that what they're calling them? Grow. Is that what is that where these are for the Grove Town? Yes. So, you're talking
about over by Aldi's and all that back up in there that So, it's not for all the other like the FO Trail that we have or anything like that. So like I'm saying is like for us we need to come up with a sign that we want to designate for town locks at your gross trails. Okay. So if it
says stay on the designated trail. Yep. Like stay on the trail ride all over the state and there's many great signs and there's many terrible signs. Yep. So that's and that be that'd be one thing I'd ask is when you go to one of these trails, snap a picture of them so we can
come back and we come with a full game plan to actually have the right sign that fits our town. Could we collectively bring our own signs and revisit this at the next meeting? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's something to you guys. It's to come up with and we make a
draft and I can have a sign shop say, "Hey, this is what we want." They can send me a draft of it. We can represent it back and say, "Hey, this is what we want." And Mary told me to communicate that Diane Jenkins has a whole bunch of these signs available of those. Yes. Yeah. She she has those signs available.
Can we also maybe suggest today where to put the existing ones just to put them up and then we'll obviously go step two. I can't say where I if I'm allowed to even put these where I can put them in Gtown Center. I think Gtown Center has
the authority to put them in their own Yeah, they're they're private property. I can actually I don't have the authority to go put signs on their property. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It'd be your recommendation where you guys want them. Okay. Okay. And then we have to go Grow Town Center and let them put them in. I
would say go the opposite. Have Gross Tower. Show them where they want to put the signs so that way it's their opinion and if we disagree then we disagree. Um as far as I like it, Darcy, we're asking you to do homework. Yeah. Go figure out
what signs you like. Yep. Oh yeah. If you can get it to us beforehand because we can include it in the packet then that even better and then you can have the discussion at the next meeting on you know what we'll just I think the thing you talked just about the signs and then we'll go into where the placement of the signs are. Let's you
know I I sorry I compartmentalize things that moves it along quicker. Yeah, but that works for you. I think that's what we should do. I do have a a quick question comment. There's, you know, there's the Grove Center trails. Then what other areas are we trying to
design? I mean, one sign doesn't always fit all. You know, we're trying to make a um So, like right now, I'm trying to get High Park connection from F to we're we actually just finished it. It's getting solded as we speak right now. They're solding it. Um we're having the
two residents there. We're hoping that they're going to sign for a multi-purpose trail for us on it. We've made it. So, we'll be able to open up for a connection. There's multiple farms back in there, horse farms, and they're having to go out the collecting canal, ride down collecting to get to F. Well,
now they'll be able to connect from there to the F trail. Perfect. Which is super nice. Yes. So, it's it's one of the things of like, you know, Randy has a whole thing here that we're trying to go over what we can designate as our trails, what we can and can't. Um, I
know you saw my map that I presented that Richard presented last time. Um, that was like what I was thinking that I I put together of like what I would see the town to have somewhat kind of connectivity done and you being from here, right? Yeah. I
grew up right on 55th and you know what we need. You've seen the growth. You've seen the development. You've seen we've we've spoken. Um, so yeah, thank you for being here and helping us with this, too, because you need like-minded people to have the same. Um, I do have a couple questions though real quick. The
Grovetown Center trails is is that private property? So, we don't the town doesn't own those trails. What's the story with that? Not that I I think it's just a designated trail. I don't know the actual answer. Like, I don't think that's town's property. Only thing that's ours is the canal bank on the
top. So they didn't as part of their development didn't give us the trail. So they can always just take them away. Okay. That's one of my questions. And then I think we um I'm speaking for the the group would like to maybe come up with a name for the trails. Not Gross
Town Center Trails, but more put it on the map for Lock Hatche Gross for other people that don't live in the area that say, "Oh, you know, I'm stopping by on my way to Miami. Maybe we can check out these trails." Just put us on the map. So yeah, but I would like to know the logistics of is it part of the town? Is
it my understanding and you know maybe I'm ignorant to it, but my understanding was they were supposed to give us those trails as part of the development. Okay. Yeah, we can look into it. Back to you. Thank you. So the um and and something like Wellington does is that they have
different trails and they have like the green trail, the blue trail. Yeah, we need to not not do that. But we we can name our trails because if you say just the the Groves trail, that could be any trail in Lockache Groves. So, we need to look at naming the trail. So, if you're saying, "Hey, we're going to go down
we're going to go down the North Trail. That's going to be North Road or something like that, you know, for um and so we need to also think about naming them and and you know, we can have creative names for them, too." And it um you know something that sets us apart because you know the Wellington
did red, blue, green, yellow, orange or whatever. And that's great but um you know for us um it would be nice to name our our trail sections. Yeah. So that people know that hey a road is is not just the A-Ro trail. Yeah. And they did markers. Yeah. So there's white post
markers that made um that actually says which which way which trail is and lead you to the next one. What takes how many miles to ride? And lots of parks do that. Yep. And the reason is, you know, if you have an hour, do you want to go
this much further? You know, how fast do you want to run your horse back? Yeah. Because you also have the you also not only have the Gross Town Center, you also have right next where we're at right now, you have the trails going through the park over here. So the county park. Yeah. Yeah. You don't don't want to say we're just going to meet on
the trails and to figure out, you know, where you're going to do it. So, so something for, you know, future reference. Yes, sir. Any other discussion on this? So, we're going to go ahead and um um those people that are that you're
you're all going to take pictures. I don't have horses, so I have no reason to correct to go there, but we'll just do we just submit them to you, Craig. Okay. So, we find signs and we submit them collectively or just individually or individually. to me individually and
then so I can include I think would get set to me. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. So that's two including um Okay. So uh item number four discussion on gate access at Madison Green a wedding confirmation and
attendance. Does anybody have Mr. Chair that item is going to be tabled for the next meeting agenda? Okay. Uh the person who was supposed to be presenting is not able to come today but we'll try and have better. And who is that person? That was Richard. Richard. That was a
person from M I believe. Okay. The gentleman from M Lee. Is that Lee? From It's from M. It's um his name Lee. Yeah, it's Lee. Yes. Yeah. Because I just find the actual the the forestry sheriff was going to come
as well, but he couldn't make it as well. Oh, okay. Don't know if everyone normally see them. You see them out there driving through the natural area in the big lifted truck. I just they do the controlled burns and stuff like that. No, they actually they run for the sheriff's running all natural areas. Oh, yeah. They they actually do the
enforcement for ATVs and Oh, you know, people you know, taking cars out there and burning them, stuff like that. So, they're Yeah. They can't catch them on pay road. They call those guys. Yeah. But but you know my end of it is that it always drove me crazy that that you had that natural area there and you could
take horses in but you had to go all the way around to 140th and 40th to um um to do I'm sorry all the way around to 40th to enter into there when we have a gate right there and why can't it be open because everybody has a different
decision and you know we should hear all sides right. Okay. Okay. So, moving on to number five, town rights away and easement presentation. Randy, you're up. State your name, please. For the record, you know the deal.
Good evening. Randy with Associates. Just could be me. Randy, is it an order? I'm sorry. Is it an open? Uh, there's a PowerPoint presentation. So, if you can open up the PowerPoint presentation, the rest is backup information that we can dive in
and look at, but I did want to start with a brief presentation. So, we were asked to assist with the town. Um, it's our understanding that trails is something that the town wants to start incorporating. There's there's different uh locations throughout the town
connectivity that uh there's been maps that have been in place for quite some time of future trails. So, we wanted to start by piecing together what rights of way and easements that the town has so that we can start figuring out where
trails can be placed, some of the constraints and limitations that we do have. So, a brief history. Tanalock Statue Groves uh was platted back in uh I think it was in 1917. This was the replat for it. Maybe it was 1929 for the replat. But in a nutshell, you have 60
foot wide rights of way that contain canal and roads that are on your primary road system. A road, B road, so on and so forth. North road collecting canal. The only section of rightaway that is larger than the 60 feet is rightaway
that's been acquired, Okachobee Boulevard or Dro from Collecting Canal to Southern Boulevard. So, it's uh that's just what what you've started with. So, if you can go to the next uh click the button for me, Sammy, do you have the clicker? Can I steal that? Try
to. Okay. And if you can't, no big deal. This is just a zoomed in area real quick from that old uh rightaway map just to see where your your lines are located. And I'm going to step away and do it loud enough hopefully. In an area here,
they have a canal and a road. And the roads are the dark colors. The canals are kind of uh um just the uh areas next to it. And then 60 feet unless otherwise known. So, it's uh not the greatest uh information that we have to piece it
together, but the water control district had surveyors in the past that that mapped this out. So, we have our arms around what those platted rights away limits are. Next slide, sir. Thank you. So, what we also have here are recorded easements. We've been in the process,
we've been working with the town for a little bit of time trying to help them organize what easements that that you have. So, we do have maps. This is a living document still. that is not complete. What you have is a uh uh it's in progress. What we're missing is a
couple uh sections of the town as well as easements that were dedicated specifically to the town. We have the easements that were dedicated to the water control district uh included on this and this is throughout the town. You'll have some of them that are
adjacent to the lettered roads or where the trails are desired uh to be located. So we do have those maps here just to get a big picture if we need to look into them. Next slide Sammy. All right, just just zooming in.
This map is going to be organized just based on the use that you have. What is the dedicated use for said easement? The goal of this document when it's done, it will be a GIS database where you can click on that easement to confirm. When
I say click on the easement to confirm, these are put together by reading warranty deeds, reading easements, uh whether you're looking at a plat and you're placing it on a parcel ID. The greatest part is it'll have a link to the official records that it comes from.
So, I was talking to Craig earlier when this is this document is finished. It's not the uh it's not it shouldn't be considered as this is the the the last word or this is this is final. Click on the link, get to the official records
and confirm just to make sure we didn't make a mistake along the way. And it also this exhibit will help us understand where we're missing information. You might already have an easement. Again, we're looking at warranty deeds. Not every easement is placed in warranty deeds. A lot of the
town was put together in unrecorded plat. There is certain legalities of whether that unrecorded plats transferred to the town, transferred to the public. So, right now, those are not shown on here. These are only easements that are in someone's warranty deed, a
dedicated easement. Okay. Sammy, can you go to the next slide for me, please? Okay. So, we've also placed some of these maps and and this is something we can look at a little bit further and we should look at specifically FOD. It's my understanding
you would like FO to go all the way to North Road for a trail, not just to Okachchobee Boulevard. There is location. So, to taking this map, I should have brought a laser pointer. It might have been a little easier, but we'll dive into some of these maps in a minute where we can get a big picture
into a PDF. Oh, that has that. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, and of course, yeah, but this has a laser pointer, but not a PowerPoint, but it's not picking up on the screen. Okay. It won't shine the TV. No, it won't. And
besides, I'm shining it here. That's not going to do anything for our our committee. So, all right. Uh, there are May I step away and All right. Perfect. All right, I will do my best to to show
some of these. So, your 60 foot platted rideway that you have is is represented on these maps. We have PDFs. We can zoom in. In fact, if any of you guys received a copy of the one drive link, these maps were posted on there. They were posted. They started We started posting them on
Friday. We've been adding to them throughout. So when you get there now, you're going to see a map for every platted rightaway that you have on the town. So it is a work in progress and we're we're trying to get the information to you to Craig so we can start seeing what rights away we have.
The maintenance easements is something that the water control district started to do I want to say seven or eight years ago before they transferred the the the rights to the town. And in those maintenance easements they were looking at well we're maintaining the road. the road is not located in the 60- foot
platted rightway. Therefore, they recorded those as rights that they could use for road purposes. So, you're going to see a line down here. You could see the road itself, the platted rideway line, and then there's additional roadway. So, that is rights that the
town has at this point in time uh through roadway easements, maintenance easements. They also recorded where the canal was located and if they needed to acquire more rights from maintaining the canal. So that limit is on there. The canal maintenance easement, however, um
when they were assigned to the town, we've got them listed as canal and andor if it's a maintenance purposes, that is not something that is necessarily I'm not an attorney. you'd have to talk to the town attorney, but we're taking the assumption right now that a canal
maintenance easement, the purpose of equestrian trails is not necessarily uh allowed in a canal maintenance easement. So, but that's not up to me to decide. I'm just from looking at the title and moving forward for now. Yes. Could you
say that better? All right. So, if somebody dedicates a canal maintenance easement to the town, I'm taking the impression, and I'm not I'm not your attorney. You have an attorney that you can get that evaluation from. An equestrian trail is not a canal
maintenance activity. That's what I Yes, they Yes. So, that's a that's something that I can't give you that uh determination on. And that's also why we're sorting these canal maintenance easement versus equestrian trails.
Yes. Specifically up road. This this particular map is a section of F road. Okay. So, my understanding has been designated as a trail from here to North Road. Big sign. That's not the canal easement on
the west side of the canal. You actually have platted rightway right now where your and that's what these maps are showing you where the top of bank of that canal is to your 60oot platted rightway. Your 60oot platted rightway. It's platted right away. It's the right way to the tower. The maps can show you
exactly where they're located. I I would have to look at each page of the map to show you where that meanders from collecting canal all the way up to North Road or even Southern Boulevard all the way up to North Road. So the 60 foot rightway, does that include the road, the canal, and that easily? Yes. And and
that's actually something we're gonna jump into here in just a moment. Our 60 ft count right away. And then say we get an additional easement off the property line. So our 60 ft is ours. Yes. Your
60. Yeah. we have a drainage easement, say a rideway easement and actually an easement from the town like say your blue one's up there. That would be an additional 20 ft off to the side of R 60 ft. Correct. Okay. Correct. If if I think that's where they're going to ask,
they're looking at R60 the top of our canal bank. Just how I take it is top of our canal bank is ours. We should be able to use the top of our canal bank. Correct. Correct. Yeah, Randy. So, you know, I was on the water control district many years ago, and I was actually on the board when we did the
F-RO uh uh equestrian trail, and I can tell you that with almost 100% certainty that we could not we got the state and and county funding to uh to use that as a horse trail. And we checked all the
boxes before we were able to use that funding, before they actually signed the money over over to us. So I am I'm almost 100% sure that from collecting canal in Fr that that actually is a designated equestrian trail by the uh and it's uh
with the state and with the county because we use both of their funds along with water control district funds to create that trail. You have approximately 12 ft from your platted rideway line, the west limits of your platted rideway line to the top of
banker canal. So, you own property in there. Therefore, you absolutely can have an equestrian trail. So, what you're saying is more than likely, yeah, I'm I'm backing up what you're saying and the fact that you have that rights away. You don't necessarily have that adjacent to all of your canals
throughout the town because we're trying to fit 150 ft worth of facilities in a 60-oot rideway. So that's the real constraint that the town has is how do we fit all of this in the rightway that you have and you have been picking up
easements for various reasons whether it's canal maintenance which if you have canal maintenance easements along a longer stretch you could move that top of bank closer to the rightway if you needed to but then where does your trail go so uh yes Mr.
you do have fo the rightway there. In fact, I have a list for you guys showing you what the minimum and maximum or the approximate distance that top of bank is from the rightway line. No, I I I know throughout the district that's not
necessarily true like FOD is, that's a very well- definfined area right there. But for example, over on uh Dro between um Okchobee and collecting Yeah. collecting and all that. There's some areas where where the the district back
then and the town now literally has inches from the canal bank about this much as their as their rightway. And because of the way the canal was dug and the way that the roads were put in many years ago and how everything was planted, some of them have property pins
in the water. Yeah, we saw it today. the homeowner had their property pinned and some of the pins are in the waterway. I I do believe that there is a a a number of locations where rights of way
have changed. Oh, I need to get that one. Because when this was when this was platted out for orange groves and cattle, they didn't they didn't have anything to do with all these were were access roads for the farm vehicles to get in and out for their for the horses
or for the the cattle up front and for the citrus and the rest of blocks. Yeah. The the the town was established before roads, pedestrian activities, bicycle activities were were in use. the main the main uh transportation for your
commerce was using the canals to to transfer goods. So it has changed quite a bit. 60 foot might have been appropriate then 60oot's not appropriate now for what you're what you need the rights away for. So I'm going to go through a couple typical sections that we have. This is something that uh I
believe what was looked at for where the trail could go on the west side of of the canal which would have to vary just based upon how much space you have available if you do not have have an easement and again we have the 60oot
platted rightway that's just what that's depicting Sammy can you switch to the next slide please now this is a typical roadway section I believe this is what um your public works director was moving towards right now as a uh as a section
for the town where you would have a drainage swale east of the road. And you're getting a little bit of buffer from the top of bank or the the wind row of the canal for the the the vehicles possibly to put a guardrail in the
future. Who knows? The uh 26 ft is what he was looking at at one point. So that's what we're showing here right now. So, we're looking at a trail that could be 8t 12t wide for equestrian use on one side of the canal. We're looking at approximately 26 ft for a road and a
swale. On the next slide, Sam, if you don't mind, this is your typical canal section south of Okachobee Boulevard. Uh, this is part of what the water control district has had for standards for for quite some time. Just doing the quick math, following the top of bank of
that canal to 20, working your way all the way back up to get on the other side of the wind row for your roadway where it was originally uh put together, you need 49 ft. So, this is where we're if the canal is taking nearly 50 ft of the
60 ft, the road needs 26, and equestrian trail needs more space. That's uh one of the tricks of where we're going to fit it in. Now, that's not something I'm asking you guys to figure out today. I'm just presenting you the challenges that we have. So, when you're making the decisions of where to put trails, how
much room for trails, you just have the the bigger picture. I'm just here to report to you and figure out what your goals are and how we can get it incorporated. But we do have space limitations. I want to make sure everyone is aware of that. Uh Sammy, on
the next slide, this is north of Okachchobee. the canal, the bottom of the canal is slightly narrower, so you need 44 feet in that area. Next slide, Sammy. Okay, these are the village of
Wellington has typical standards and uh the reason why I wanted to present these because they're showing equestrian trails adjacent to different areas using different differing amounts of rightaway. So, option one, they're looking at, well, hey, let's go ahead
and buffer the trail with the swale from the roadway. So, uh it it let's say for some reason if you had an unlimited amount of space that you could uh use to put together a desired cross-section that's not going to cost you tens of
millions of dollars of piping a canal. So let's assume you had your canal over here. You had your roadway. You put a swale in between and then you have your equestrian trail buffered from the traffic so you get some more space. So that's essentially what option one could
look like that Wellington has. They have another option where they're saying, "Well, you know what? What if we put the swale and have a smaller buffer between the traffic and the uh the the equestrian trail and then the swale on the other side? Next slide, please.
Option three, I believe, is they put a curb and gutter and then a uh a fence to to buffer and that uses the least amount of space that they have. And then the other place where they have a trail, they're buffering the trail from the canal as well. They're trying to get a little bit
of space. uh to probably for safety for the riders if something were to happen. A one and a half to one foot slope is not something that a horse is likely to recover with a rider on their back. But I don't ride. My daughter does. But uh I did grow up here. I have I do stop for
for the horses. I understand how that works. The last thing I want is Yeah. a rider to get spooked. Okay. Next slide, Sammy. All right. just came back to the equestrian trail section right now just to kind of recap where that is and then
we can look at the rights of way that you have the one drive link that you all have has been updated with a number of things. Sam is there a way you can stop the presentation and just show that file with the different uh uh the folder with all the different
files. So this is a replica that you have on the one drive with the exception of that presentation. I can add that. I will add that when I get back to the office. So you have the ability to open that up as well. The Excel table, if you don't mind, sir, if you could open that
up. So you do have these bigger maps where you could look at where all the various easements are in town. We also have those maintenance maps where you can get a kind of a zoomed in area, how much space you have. We went through those maps just to see where the top of
bank sits compared to the rightway line. So a road and we we did it just based on regions. So south of Okachobee Boulevard, you actually have a fair amount of space on a road. You have eight 8 to nt of space. So a road all the way up to
north road, you have 8 n feet west of the canal. There are going to be a couple of limitations. There's a couple spots that we didn't put in this where there's a drainage covert and the bank of the canal kind of
moves west a little bit for that culvert. That's something that could get extended slightly and you could still have your trail. That's not a rightaway issue. Uh C- Road, is it C- Road? No, one of these only has four feet. So Dro
Dro has some areas that get down to four feet. B- road has some areas that get down to 5T. So, is that really going to be enough space for for a trail? And that could be looked at in a case-bycase area. All the way on the right hand side of this spreadsheet, we put which page
to find it on. Uh so, for instance, B-road, it's saying page one. Sammy, can you go back to that uh Windows Explorer or File Explorer, excuse me, that has all those lists. Okay, these are all separated based on the various sheets,
but there's one called B-roll. If you could open up the one called B-roll, and then it's on sheet one is where the uh where that uh restriction is at. So you guys can take a look and and see what space is available. Uh and these maps
too, they have the 2023 aerials on them. The county is going to update the aerials again for 2025. They just haven't made it available for us to uh replace. So you have a the backdrop is pretty close to what it looks like today. There obviously construction
happens. So there have been some modifications to it, but if you you zoom in, we put some uh dimensions on there just so you can get an idea where that's located. And if your goal is to put the trails on the west side of the canal
bank, Craig can look at these maps and find out how much space is available. And then we can start looking at what materials you want to have for your trails. I know there's uh stabilized subgrade is something that uh we would recommend for your trails. That's where
they're going to mix lime rock with the uh the existing dirt and stabilize it. But I believe village of Wellington, I'm not sure if Indian Trails does this. They use millings. Yes. Fine millings. They grind it in. Yes.
And and that is something that you could do. The one thing with the millings is it's uh less likely you're going to get grass to grow on there. But if you have the millings, you're creating a surface you don't necessarily need that. Yeah. The only problem they have is the way the holes just compact it starts to get
really hard. They had to go buy a whole another machine to run through it and sit there and just grind it back up every so often to keep grinding it to keep it soft because the horses did compact it back to how hard it was. Yeah, Randy, we really don't have a
choice that it's got to be on the west side of the canal. There's no other place we can put it at. There is no east side. I mean, and it's also it's a matter of safety because if you have that canal there, there's less chance of a car, you know, coming in and sideswiping you unless they they're
they're going at such a high rate of speed. But that's, you know, the safety issue is there. The the land is there already. you know, there's uh we're not going to be able to go on to the east sides of the road because that means buying up people's property and moving fences and infrastructure. That's not
going to work for us. Well, that uh that might have to be inevitable at one point in time right now. You not one person can get to their well, I should say not many people in this town can access their property without driving through somebody else's property to get there.
your roads get washed out because you don't have the the infrastructure adjacent to it to protect your roadway. So, there's maintenance cost associated with it. And the reason why I brought it up, I know your committee is not just trails. Trails is a huge part of this town and it's I remember growing up
here, they would be on the dirt roads all the time. There's a lot more traffic today. The roads are paved. I totally agree that you need to to buffer and find a place for the trails. And again, I'm not here to tell you where to put them or not. I'm just trying to give you
the big picture. But at one point in time, the town may need to consider acquiring rights of way on on both sides in order to fit those in or even consider piping the canals. Actually, that you know, doing rights way on both sides is is overly expensive, and I
would rather put concrete pipe in and then and cover sections up. You can't do it all at one year. No, you're right. in in eminent domain would cost money. Piping the canals would cost money. Uh if you do the the route with piping canals, and I'm not talking tomorrow. I
mean, as a future thing, you start piping the canals, there's pros and cons with it. You know, you're going to have less routine maintenance on the canal. You're not going to have a drop off next to a roadway or next to a equestrian trail. So, there are there's definitely pros to it. You would likely have to
compensate storage with that option. you'd probably have to buy a larger lot somewhere in the town, create it for storage so you have a place for that water to go. Because one of the the concerns the town has big picture, the
only surface water management that the town controls is these are the the canal system. So when you if you pipe those Yeah. There's the conveyance factor, but there's also the storage factor. Yes. Retention. And we we actually did look
at that. 20 years ago about uh seeing how much it would cost to buy the west side of of A-roll Canal. There there's a farm over there. There's I think it's 200 acre farm. We were looking to buy the 200 acres and we got prices that back 20 years ago where you know we're
we're talking about uh the cost to do the whole thing was $150 million and there's no way that this water control district could have afforded it. Yeah. what it was cost per you had said that the trails are a big important aspect of
this town. Well, I'm here to say that I've been here over 20 years and the trails have been the very least important aspect of this town. Katie's been here longer. Our trails were the roads. Our trails were the dirt roads
and now we have nothing. So my as much as I appreciate your presentation, I think we can all collectively say that we're working with very little we have very little access or um I mean I would just like to know what do we have that
doesn't need maintenance, drainage, filling that we can access right away. You mentioned a road it has the wide the wide burm on the um west side of of the road. Correct. Of the canal rather correct. So that's that's what we need to start with because I know there's no
money for trails. There's no money to m I mean we can barely get them maintained. So can you tell us what we do have not what needs to be done but what we have access quick access to that we can make these quick trails so we can start riding on them. Okay. So west of a
road west of F road you have you have space from the top of bank for the plattered rideaway lines. Um, each one of these PDFs we can run through and and and look at. If we go to that spreadsheet, we tried to summarize it for you. If you can go back to that spreadsheet, uh, Sammy, it'll give you
an idea where you have contiguous space from at least collecting canal to to North Road. We don't necessarily have south of collecting canal on these maps. I'm not saying you don't have the rightway. Uh, this was something we were asked to to put together. It was about
three weeks ago, four weeks ago before the previous meeting that you had. And assembling all of this data just takes a lot of time. And I'm not trying to disparrage what you're doing. I'm just saying I'm verbalizing the frustration that we all know sitting up here that
what you're telling us what we don't have. We need to know what we do have. Okay. Well, uh it it looks like and we'll just need to double check. Fro, road is C- road and a road. It looks like you have
uh you have at least eight feet from your top of bank to the to the uh back of your rightway. Yeah, there's not gates blocking those. Oh, I don't know about that. We didn't we didn't survey that. You probably do
have property owners that is that's taking up that land. No, absolutely. here. So, we are we have sent out letters to residents to remove the gates. Um they have a time that they have to remove them by before the town comes in and we
remove it. Mhm. All right. So, we did send out letters to every address that was on gates or any obstructions. Yes. Removing palm trees everything that would be understand they they should not have gates, right?
because there's one that was um on ABCD road I believe uh north of Okchobee a nursery had a gate that was blocking it. Yep. So we're going through and we're you know we're slowly it's slow process for us. We're very short-handed to go in and steadily making them all remove
every gate. What are you doing? We're trying to go from road to road and we're starting to knock them out. And like again, we appreciate all the efforts that have been because I think this is the first year that I feel that's really being taken seriously and that everyone is collectively coming together to try and give us what we need, but understand
our frustration. It's been a long time coming. So, I feel that we should just focus right now on the ones that we have quick access to that need the least amount of maintenance and start there because there's no money. There's no funding and there's there's but that's where I I've been trying to get through
is the top of our banks would be our trails. I mean, that is the top of our banks. We maintain them, our mowers. That's our path for our mowers to run down to maintain. That's where I'm saying is that's where my original map would be where I said that once we
get these gates and we get it where we can have all these trails that would be our connectivity from one end to the other. Right? So like he's saying in the one thing it said hey there's 10 ft is the average that 10 ft is our average of town property on that top of that canal
bank that we maintain. That is our rideway. Right. So once we get the gates open and all the gates gone, that is a fair through for horses to cover, you know, like a lot and and Randy can try to correct me, but at that 60 ft and one of these says, "Hey,
there's a an easement for maintenance." Well, that easement doesn't come into our 60. It's from that 60 back into their property. Am I correct? Correct. You do have canal maintenance ements that do
that. So as this is our 60 ft right which includes roads canals this is our road our canal our canal bank okay some of those say 60 there's a drainage ement or a maintenance ement that maintenance
ement starts at their property line it goes their property line after our 60 then goes into their property so what's on that top if it's 10t 15t the thing is we're trying not to get residents to go in and go, "Hey, you're removing our
gate. We're going to put a fence up and now they're going to block us down to 5T where we can't even get a machine down it." Right? So, that's the biggest thing like we're working with Randy is to make sure we have that full, you know, my machines have to be 9 ft at least to get down the canal bay. I was thinking
exactly what you're saying because some of my my machines are at 8 foot 6, 8 foot n the new our big mowers to get down them. So, they have to have enough so they can travel. So in and speaking of effort, I know the average is is wide
enough, but there's also been erosion. There's big pockets of erosion and some are very scary because one foot and it's going to push it down. What it's Are they going to patch those? Yes, we're coming back and we're starting to work on them. I said we're we're like High Park was a big job. That took a lot of
our time. We put a lot into it. I do it right the first time. I don't know if you've guys gone in there and seen it. I have. But it's world of a difference. Mhm. Night and day. I mean, people have seen it and go, they've even stopped on FO asking if we're building a road
because it looks so nice. Now, once we get the fences up and the gates and there are going to be entrances for the horses to walk down that new little swale line connecting from F to High Park, is it going to be landscaped at all? It won't be landscaped. It's going to be solded all the way down. And so,
no trees are there we have what's existing on property lines. It's just that comes a maintenance thing. we we get back to you putting trees and we're more maintenance for employees to come in or try to keep the trees out from the horses. And I think anything else similar to Hide Park, maybe Randy, you
can help um clear the way and say yes, we can have another connection trail just just like Hide Park. I think that's fantastic what you guys did with that connection trail. So any I and and you know, we know we know I just want to say we understand that a lot of these canal banks that's like our only trails, okay?
Um, but what else? What other unique connectors can we do such as what you guys did for Hyde Park? And so that we would rely on you for those for advising us and the town as to what easements there are that we can acquire. I appreciate that, but that's that's town staff. That was all town staff. They
came to us and said, "Hey, we need some help with some easements." That was that was uh public works handling all of that. So, I do appreciate it. But but what we are doing is we're giving tools for Craig. So Craig now has this tool in his toolbox that you see. So he at least
has an understanding of what easements are already out there. Again, this is a work in progress. We still need to add a few more things to it. Hopefully within the next week it'll be done and it's at his disposal and then we can we can get that GIS link so we can get those or
books and pages. So it will be a start. But this is a, you know, for instance, if Seo was looked at, that area in blue that you see in Sea Road on the screen, which I'm going to zoom in a little bit here, try to get here. All right. So,
this is an area where you have a canal maintenance easement. Once this is up with GIS, you'll be able to click and find out it's a 20 foot wide canal maintenance easement on the east side of the property. Uh, but we needed something to give a a representation first. Craig needs a clue that something
is there so he's aware and he knows what he can do or can not do with it. So these four properties happen to have that canal maintenance easement. He can work with it. On the right hand side of that canal, those yellows, those are roadway easements. So now he has the option to do a little bit more. That's
areas where the town has already acquired additional rights of way or it was platted with the or it was uh recorded with the warranty deeds outside of our 60 outside of the 60 ft. Yeah. So the footprint. Yeah. It's an addition to our Yes. So once you start piecing this
together, now it's like, okay, well, I have two properties that create a gap here. Maybe the town wants to do an ownership and incumbrance report where they do a title search and find out does that property exist? And then maybe they approach those two property owners and
they could get some willing participants and uh let's expand that footprint. Let's get space available for trails, for canals, for roads, etc. So, it's it is a this will be a living document, but
it is a tool that Craig now has that he didn't have last week. And and just for the source documents, you're looking at deeds, obviously, but you're also looking at other public records, too, because sometimes the deeds can obviously be wrong. Yep. Yes. It's one of the things like he's saying it's one of the tools for me. I go out to a
property and say I'm in front of Darcy's house and I'm trying to say, "Hey, does she have an easement here?" I have this sitting in my truck. I'm on papa. I'm going through property to property looking through deeds. Everyone's deeds from the past, you know, 20, 30 years
trying to find if these exist or not. Well, now like, hey, I can go, oh, look in front of Frank's house. Boop, there's one right there or there's one down the street. It makes it a whole lot easier for me. But for what you're saying for connectivity, one of the connectivities,
as you know, Jeff puts it in my head hardcore is they may say it's an easement, but if it's not dedicated to us, it's, you know, a lot of it's not ours. Could it be a utility? There's other fun. Yeah. But some of the utilities and it's
dedicated to Palm Beach County or like say for the water man or something. But like one of the deals we're doing at High Park is for that that trail, the multi group trail. We're asking the homeowners to dedicate that to us so we can maintain it. We can keep it
maintained. Back in the day, it was never dedicated to us. That's why it became an overgrown nuisance. So at the end of the day, you'll be able to tell us, okay, there's what you can use for horse trails. These aren't capable. Yep. Okay, that's great. A question. What happened where where on
this map is that stuff that was obtained through southern land and timber you know there was an ement that was supposed to go like pretty much through the town and I don't I never heard anything more I believe everything that we obtained through southern land and timber are our 60 ft it is all okay
right if I want to stand correct what was brought in from southern landed timber was like our roadways and canal were you talking about the old railroad right away that's I own part of Okay. That's all the way at the north though, right? Yeah. There's like a little section that you It's not there, but
it's there. Yeah. But it's like one of those things like there's that little section there. If like somebody want to say from B-roll to C- Road, you own that property. You wanted to give up an easement for a 30ft horse trail and you know, say has like we do high park, there's a drainage ditch in there. It
would have to be dedicated to the town so we could maintain it and take care of it ourselves. Well, that's pretty much what we have on Marcel Boulevard. The entire length of Marcelo Boulevard was dedicated to the water control district. Um, the road and the and the drainage
ditch and uh and then that should have transferred over to the to the town, but but it's actually legally we actually legally did this and we we recorded each each property. If I'm not mistaken, those were dedicated as public
rightway. So it wouldn't necessarily have to transfer ownership. The map that you see, I zoomed into this area. I believe though there might have been two hold out properties. I'm not entirely certain. The warranty deed search that
we did. It goes like this. I can tell you now that looking at that map that if the town wants to go back in and complete that, that's not going to be a problem. Okay. Well, because well, because the people that that were hold outs back then are gone now, thank
goodness. One is the RV campground and then the other one's a vacant lot at the end of Marcela. Well, no, the the the one on the um on the north side that's that that's owned by the people live across the street from me now. And then the other one down
there is where the uh that twotory that the garage with the house that's theirs over there. their Yeah. And that actually should have been taken over. That actually should have been part of when the town went ahead and and allowed them to build, they should have went ahead and got the
easement for that. Yeah. Compton Road had something similar as well. I think there was one that that we didn't have. These were from easements that were dedicated specifically to the water control district. I believe that was a requirement that they were looking for before they put the Ojim on those roads
many years ago. So just you know like we're work that's a work of project process that we're going to these roads like those and Richard and myself have already spoke like we're going to go in and do it like a high park all those swailes that are
full of trees they're coming down because you can't have a swale full of trees because there's no way of maintaining them. Now, you know, the other thing that you have is that on some of the uh the rightaways for the um that the water control
district used to have, the FPL decided we're going to sink a pole there, they didn't tell anybody 30, 40 years ago. And when you ask them to remove it, that is not in there. They go, "Nope, we're not going to do that." Well, we're in the process of doing the same thing. You know, look at 11th. We're trying to get them to move a pole that's an 11th and D
right now. Yeah. It was originally put in the middle of the road. Yeah. And the road went around it. So now we're in the middle of getting FPNL pulled the power off. Now we're trying to deal with Comcast and AT&T to get them to move their services over to straighten it out.
I live on Sea Road where all the telephone poles live and our road is 16 ft. Is anything I mean I know this is maybe not good trails but is that are they ever going to take them down or the FBL
guy told me absolutely not. That's not our problem. Is there AT&T on it still? So what what FPNL does is once they do is they pull their power off, they pull their service off, they cut the top off. Here you go. It's AT&T
and Comcast pole. Now it's that's their deal. That's it's your responsibility now. Mhm. That was hand. That's what they do when they go underground. They hand them off. Technically, those poles are not in
the town's rideway. They're in private property. So, they're they're outside of the road itself. They're Yeah. So, it's it's Well, this is the area where you only have a 60 foot rightway. So, if you look at the map now, just I picked Sea Road
because you mentioned Sea Road and I just uh zoomed into one spot and yeah, we didn't whoever surveyed this, this was done by the water control district years ago. We're just utilizing their maps so we can Yeah. make it cost effective. So, the blotted rightway line
is in the dead center of the road. So, when FPNL put those on, they were never they just put them on the side of the road. What was there technically? they have prescriptive rights to be there. So, this is not like a situation where they put it in a rightaway that was
yours and you have the right to tell them to shift it. It It's a It's a further complication the town is uh gifted with, if you if you will. Shift it. That's nice. It's one of those we're asking for, will you please move it? Yeah. They're they're not willing. It
sounded to me like every time I've spoken to somebody, they didn't want to move anything. No, no. They're like, "Oh, no, those aren't ours. Well, like it wouldn't be like Grove. If their service is not on it, it's not theirs. Like on Marcelo Boulevard, for
example, if you look at my end of the road, there's a survey marker. If you look all the way down the other end, you can see the survey markers. Well, the road does this as it goes down. And down at the other end by Fulsome Road, the uh pretty much uh both properties, they meet in the center, and that's 30 feet
on each side. And when we did this, my neighbor across the street says, "Oh, I got 30 ft here." I'm like, "No, you actually don't. I actually own the entire road as far as well, you know, as part of my property. You only own this much of the road." And when they did the survey down there, everybody came out
there, they're going, "Now we see what you're talking about." Yep. So just because survey markers are there doesn't mean when they put the roads in, they did this with the roads to get around trees and and stuff like that. Mhm. You see some of the newer roads, we're making sure they're straight cuz last
year's roads are more straighter than previous. Yeah. The previous, you know, you can't fix what's already. It's there. I'm just saying we adopted it. So, here's a scenario where we're talking about where the this is SE road. This happened to be the same sheet on C-Road, but I figured I'll bring this up
and show you. So, here's an area where you it's very narrow between the platted rightway line and the actual top of bank of the canal. However, it should also be noted that the water control district acquired a maintenance easement. Mhm. Um
when they when they determined the limits that they were maintaining for the canal. So, this is a canal maintenance easement through a specific uh maintain limits. I don't know what type of rights that gives the town because that is a different process than
a than a uh a property owner dedicating a canal maintenance easement. So that's something you may want to have town staff or legal look into. What rights does the town have on this scenario because that would take your your approximately 5T of space and turn it
into 14t of space which may give you more elbow room. That's like a Craig question. Okay. with the gate situation being what Randy just said. If if that gate is on the wrong kind of easement, it stays.
Yeah. If it's not with that's one of the things if if it's not in our 60 now, if they like you said, if we have a maintenance easement, okay, that's still like we would only we can only control what's in that 60. Okay. That we can
fully have open. outside that 60 we're, you know, it's it's there. It's for us to maintain it. Yeah. It you would have to look at the language and the dedication for those maintenance easements. It's likely that the property owner has the right to have a fence and
a gate within their easements. They would just have to have a key where where the water control district could access and get in there. It just really depends on how the dedication language was, but most that we've seen, it's it's
still the property owner's land and that uh they're allowing the water control district to be able to get to the canal. That's really good information because you know, you get frustrated like you can't ride this way because Yeah. I mean, we have come across some ements
like he's saying that says strictly it's for town maintenance only, no recreational at all on it. So, we have come across some of those that do say that. And yeah, the owner says that, right? And it stated in the easement. Yeah. Okay. So, when I was pulling
together historical information to match the perpetual um grant of the use of the canal banks, I saw that many many years ago. And Frank, you may be able to tell us much better on this, that we actually did a
very big email to hundreds of property owners to see if they would change their um easement to allow us to do the trails. Um, I don't know that we
actually um ever really completed that, but we can still go back and I'm no attorney, but we can still ask people if they would do a multi-purpose easement. So rather than just being a maintenance drainage easement, we could ask them and
they have the choice to give us the multi-purpose easement. Is that not correct? If it's not, I'm happy to be corrected. You can always go back and ask. Well, yeah, that's that's pretty much we what we did for the uh FOD, right, canal is we went to them and they
we they said, "All right, well, we don't mind doing that, but there we there needs to be a fence there to keep people from coming over there." And that also the district assumed all liability if there was an accident on there that the resident because right now and and a lot of things that people didn't realize out
here is that yeah I own the road and I wanted my dirt roads and that was great but um on Marcelo Boulevard we had so much of of people fighting that. No, no, no, no, no. and we brought an attorney out and the attorney said, "Do you realize that if somebody gets an accident on the other end of the road,
everybody can be sued up and down the road and your homeowner's insurance would have to pay for it." And once they heard that and they found out that was true, everyone was going, "Where do I sign? Where do I sign?" Because then the district was taking over the entire liability of the road. And that's what um and people need to realize that that
you know, yeah, if you have uh people on bikes or walking or whatever and all that. And it just so happens that they they get hurt here and over here happens to be your property and there's no fence there, the the town and the and the homeowner property owner could actually
be brought in, you know, jointly on a lawsuit. And if a lot if if it's explained to them to where like that where you know legally you could end up being in a in in a bigger problem and if you can sign this over to us we'll put a fence up and we'll take over all legal
responsibility. So if something happens you know they could sue you but we would step in and say we've taken over all legal responsibility and you guys are out of the picture. And I think that's why a lot of people don't want to give the multi-use easement because they're afraid of they're going to be liable. Right. That that's one of the things we are running into. Yeah. But it are they
educated that's not the case. Yeah. I mean one of the things is is like for on our 60 we're there but their biggest thing is well unless there's no fence there and people just some of these nurseries don't have fences. Well what if a horse travels 10 ft into my property they get spooked. They run over
there and they fall on my property. That's where they're getting scared of is and honestly a field fence is the cheapest part of the whole thing. Mhm. An offer to put up a field fence or other sheep fence for the
property. Can't answer that one. I've sat through many meetings about that. And the problem is is if I give Ashley a fence, then Darcy wants a fence. Then he wants a fence. Then you want a fence. And then we're fencing in the whole town of Los G. And we can't afford that.
Well, we actually like that answer. We actually did a fence for as you answer it. That was part of of of the agreement that we had for FRO is that the district had to do a field fence from one end to the other. Some of it's still there and Yeah. And it's um uh and and that was and everybody was very
happy. Now there's a fence there so somebody couldn't just walk onto their that was what they were really worried about. Somebody walking or taking ATV on the property stealing from them. So that that fence was over there. And and like I said, out of everything that you have with these easements and trying to get
horse trails, the fence is the cheapest part of the entire thing. Well, I'd like to call it a multi-use trail, but because if we call it a horse trail, we'll never get any granch, we'll never get anything. That's why they
That's why they have this multi-use just for that. That's exactly why they call it multi-use just for that. And that's why the signs on that road said multi-use trail and it had for the the people that the state and the county that supplied the grants also with the matching grants from the water control
district. So yeah, multi-use trail. We just have to call it that. And and you know how many people are going to ride their their bikes on on Sugar? The one of the They'd like to I I'll be right there with them. A lot of the big concerns we're getting is is the four-wheelers and sidebysides. A lot of
our gates we can modify like we can make the gate like the one I'm actually going to do behind the college. College has a gate up there right at uh collecting. Yeah. Right. The gate. We're modifying that. I already spoke with the college. We're going to modify that gate. So it's going to have just an opening, you know,
like a four or five foot opening that will be small enough that a golf cart can get through but a horse would be able to pass through it that but then the town could still open the gate so we can get our machines through it. wondering what the how that was going to look you know the horse gates that they
have generally I think they have them in Wellington as well where it looks down to a V but then how does the lawn mower get in so Wellington like he had showed you before they have the massive amount of property right you see Wellington has
all the concrete ballards I love it next to that they have their own gate maintenance gate that's where they have their own 60 ft for just a horse trail, right? We're looking at 15 10 ft for a horse trail. I mean, like our the trail, the multi-purpose trail we're putting on
High Park is 15. We had enough room that we can move it pretty wide that we had a gap there. So, that's where those little gates would kind of be awkward. It would be awkward there. But there has to be a way because, you know, here I am, but on Sea Road there's a lady that every day
exercises her dog behind a golf cart. like uh no I don't want to ever see that. I'm sorry I interrupt to your meeting but I don't ever want to see that. Thank you. dispar you or interrupt your presentation that you weren't finished
but I was just I think we just we're moving in the right direction. I just he's driving so you can see the pictures. Mhm. So that's what I was talking about where can you go to um the next one would be Pearson Road right
here. This would be which you would go through Wellington. This is Pierce Road. He said there's a curve, right? This is Pier this would be Pearson Road and this is their horse trail that they have because they do have a they do have a a fence up on Pearson next to their
roadway that they do have enough room to do a horse trail on. There are nice trails over there. Well, I think they built their communities around. A lot of it comes to is a lot of easements coming in. I mean, we could do
a lot if we had a lot of easements to move around. Was difficult. We did not have as much room as we needed. And additionally, the getting the fence and fitting everything in was not unlike what we have to do
here. So, we've done it before, we can do it again. I think our biggest problem is having so much canal and so much personal property that there's nothing in between. You got to remember over here on there's a canal.
I've heard that many years. Like just like right out here we have there's a canal. Oh, sorry. I just went I went to the canal because you know so they have a canal road. Then there's the easement
little fence. So that would be the thing. You just look at F road right here. The easement next to the property. If you had another 10 feet right there, there could be a nice trail running all the way down it. Yeah. The But it's just getting that easement. You essentially
need double the ride away to do what you really want to do with all the stuff. Not a lot of room for a spook or error, you know, especially with the rubbing and stuff like that, too. I mean, if a horse jumps, they're going to jump three, four feet, you know, and if
they're not conscious or have the wherewithal to be like, "Hey, I can't jump that far. There's this canal there." There you have it. Oh, yeah. We see where those horses are walking right next to the edge. We're trying to trim all the trees down that road. Randy, are you done? Are are are you
pretty much done with your presentation? Yeah. No, I was I was done. This is all really for what do you guys want to explore? We have all the exhibits. If you want to dive in and look at something, you can, but I I believe as we said, and I'll double check, but it looks like a road. Uh I think it's
a-ro contiguous uh space from the top of bank to the the canal. And maybe you uh you look at them one road at a time and you say, "Hey, uh Craig, we want to get F- road all the way up to north road and then work on a road." He now has all these tools that he can look at. We'll
assist him as he needs to to That's where we need to start. That's the lowhanging fruit. That's going to be the easiest. Yeah. But but it's going to take him time. It's going to take him time to build. That would be the and then, you know, little little by little, right? But that's what I would say you
I to my house and I trailered to another friend's property on North Road because I rode on Sea Road for 39 years. Not anymore. But that's why I said like you said the connectors. Yeah. It would be like hey there's that farm that goes from one end
to the other. Would they give up a 20 foot or something in between? It doesn't you know that's the only way you're getting connectors. That's how they got them all through Appaloosa over there and everything. people in the back of their properties gave up that connector and there's connectors at every single
farm in the back of the farm and there's horse trails going between all the farms over there. Well, you know what they did in Davyy? I grew up there. Um when the town had the wherewithal to know that they couldn't fight development, that wasn't going to happen. They were never going to win. So, what they did is they
said, "Okay, you can develop, however, you have to give us trails and maintain them." And if you ever ridden through there, it's kind of cool that each different development, you have a development here, you have a development here, and then the trails were right between the two, and you see people in their backyard swimming, and there's big
trees from their properties. And it's kind of cool how they did it because they knew they weren't going to be able to win. So, at least they got that. And you can ride from downtown Davy all the way out to the old dump in Vista View, which is like by I75, and a continuous horse trail. I mean, you do have to cross like Flamingo Road and and that,
but they they planned it very well. Well, it's actually a it's a very good point that you bring up and perhaps one of the things that uh you could use is a a master plan and and for trails for all these other facilities because it doesn't necessarily have to be a
developer coming in like Grovestown Center where you do have a trail around the entire north side. It could be somebody that's coming in and they want to redevelop and they want to build an equestrian uh facility. And perhaps if it's along where you guys have planned,
this is would be a great place to have that connector trail, land development knows about it, development review services, and that could be part of the conditions because if you have a plan that's adopted by council, anybody that comes into redevelopment to redevelop,
they know that it's there. They incorporate it with their development. That should have been that should be in place now. long time ago that would have had a lot of trails next to each property. Yeah, you got to start at some point. So, what's the direction that we
want to that we want to go here? Can you articulate that a little? A master plan. I think that's I think that's a really good idea. That way, anybody who comes in that's going to develop anything that you have to have maybe a dedicated, you know, trail next to the property. Yeah. I I I want to I want to see trails. I
don't want to talk about them and none of us do, you know. So my thing is a master plan is great, but for those areas that we already have access to, I think we need to actually work on on making those, even if it's if it's a segmented thing, we're only go so far.
We have to start somewhere and then find ways to hook them all together because if we just don't do anything, we're still going to be where we're at a year from now. So I believe that once Craig gets all his information based on your research, he can bring it to us and say, "Okay, these
are three absolute trails that we could get going in the least amount of time with the least amount of effort with the least amount of resources." You want to make that in for Do you want to make that in the form of a motion? Yes. Sammy's gonna he's going to write that
down. So you got it. Great. So do I have a second on that motion? Second. Okay. Any any discussion on this motion? Then I then I call for a vote. All in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries. 4
to zero. Great. Thank you. That's giving us hope. That's giving us hope that we're finally getting to where we need to be. And and so I I would like to ask one thing. If we can come up with our first priority while we're still
developing the master plan, it would be good to start making recommendations for what you wish to be included in the budget because the way you turn things into action is by allocating some funds. We do have a grant request in for F. Um,
but I think that maybe a topic at the next meeting might be to put, you know, some order of priority on on the stuff we do have already. What is that? What is that grant covering? Signage. Um, actually, I have to get I don't want to
speak out. It's only a piece of EFO. I'm just saying because FRO is supposed to already be a modified trail. Exactly. Right. Exactly. So, what is this money being allocated for if we already have that bonafide trail? But what I'm saying is is that where you already have them, we have to put money in to maintain them. We need to put
money in for signage. If there's a break or there's some place we need to get connected quickly, let's pick that out first. I also know that Craig is already working on cleaning up North Trail. We have that
$20,000 from Northtrail. So, and this is me. You could say that, you know, you don't feel you're ready to do this, but I think it would help all of us kickstart things or put things back into motion by coming up with some requests
for budget funding, even if it's over, like you mentioned, a period of years. Can can you go ahead and and have that for us for the next meeting? the the stuff that we already have and what you're going to need to go ahead and and
um upgrade it. Yeah. I mean, they need budget estimates. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. I mean, a lot so that we have something we can look at and then we can present to the town and hopefully the town will go, "That's really nice. We'll talk to you another year." The other thing I would like to suggest
is if we could go as a group, maybe you could take us and say, "Look." Oh, yeah. So we can visualize cuz a map on a piece of paper with colors to me is like okay now I'm going to have to drive around and so trip areas or something. I think that's a great idea because in my mind I'm
going how many gates are well because you know what Katie and I are going to do is we're going to go separately and we're going to be like okay let's look at the trails and then we come back to the meeting we can say what did you see what like when you guys opened hide park we had no idea so as I was going home I'm like wow because hide park is not
dedicating but I'm just saying the concept of it so yeah if you could take us on a field trip and over there and field trips are a little tricky in that um that everyone all of
you all of you would have to promise well you don't have to worry about me because because I won't be there because I know every single bit of these canals and these roads after being on the water control district and fighting with all
that stuff and I'm now I'm only saying doing as a group collectively to save time I mean if he wants to do it individually you know do it but best thing to do is um find it, you know, hold all your
questions until we come back into a place. So, I would move to that. Maybe we could organize once once you know what is going and where and what we have access to, then you can visually show us because like I said, colors on a map to me, I'm going to have to get in my car and go look. Yeah, I'm sure the same
way. I drive the roads, too. And then it could be one thing could change as in just like the trees being planted on the outside of fences, right? I mean, so it's and one thing could change over the weekend. An aspect is much different on the back of a horse than it is in the
back of a car or in the driver's seat. So I also I guess I could look this up somewhere, but what happened with the crossings of be for the I don't want to call them equestrian crossings, but the lady came did the whole presentation was submitted by February
14th. I remember that because it was Valentine's Day. Like is there any update on that? We do not have an update, but they actually did a site visit. Um uh when was that site visit about three weeks ago? Um who's they?
was um the county. Yes, it was people from the county and um the TPA I think as well. Yeah, they they went out to Oki and checked it and everything to try to see what they can and what we can and can't do, how the grant could be presented. Mr. Chair, I mean I mean you
all know the grants is background. You know, it's have Randy come with 500 sheets and go, "Hey, we did our homework." That's the biggest deal on them. It's okay. Mr. Chair, committee member.
We got the Mr. Chair, committee member Murray did make a motion. I just wanted to know if there was a second to that or if that motion is no longer on. There was a second and we we voted four to zero. Not that one, but the one about the field trips. She made Okay. Um, is
there a second for that to do a field trip? Let's do a field trip. I second that. If I'm not going to be in town over the summer, so Well, we can Okay. Oh, so do it over the summer then. Video some of the and and honestly I think it we're going to need to
coordinate some things, get some idea how we would logistically handle it and we have to schedule. Honestly, for me, I mean, don't include me in on this because like I said, I'm pretty much aware what's going on out there. But um from my personal point of view, I think
individual trips is going to be safer. And like I said before that this thing with Brian that happened a couple about a week ago that there are people in this town just looking for any committee members or town council people just even think that they messed up to file a
complaint. So if I were to go and do this, it would be with somebody from the town by myself so I could ask the questions because that's what you do. You can't if you're not writing them down, you're trying to remember them. You're going, "Well, wait, what about this?" Either way, we would like a field trip one-on-one. Sure. Oneon one is or
maybe you provide um destin recommended destinations for us to visit and then that way we can go do our field trip on our own and then we can come back and discuss what we've or whatever you guys I could go and we could video it and then we could I think the first thing is
for layout. Right. That's what I'm saying. Once we know where we're going Yeah. Thank you. I move to Oh, well, we're not quite there yet. Um, committee member comments, we'll start over here
to my right. I would just like to say thank you and I'm very happy to finally see this trail thing moving forward. You're welcome. I say the same. I think I've said my due diligence for that. Um, I just had one thing. Um, Randy made a
good point about identifying different places and maybe asking for easements. I know some of these properties I know particularly on E- Road there's a 10 acre parcel that goes between E and D road and they're trying to sell that property and so maybe just a suggestion
would be to approach the owner of the property and say would you dedicate a little strip of your property that you're going to sell you don't care anyway to uh the town for sale right prior to sale and so people who you know who are selling they might have more of
an incentive to be like sure you know hands off. So, I don't know if if you're able or the town's table. I know Phyllis is a realtor in the area. She has access to the MLS. Maybe um maybe maybe the town can identify some large parcels like that that are for sale and approach
some of the people who were going to be selling to see if they can get um that type of easement that Randy was um talking about earlier. Did that not Sorry, what you're saying. Did that not happen right here with the property that's for sale on southern on the on
the south side of the canal there's like a by the fire station between east of the fire station between E and the fire station there's that strip of E and the fire station she's on you're on Okchobee
sorry yes that did happen right so that's been done it has been done we we often ask people if they will give us any search all over southern. Yeah, you said southern. I was like trying to figure out. Yeah. So with the fire
department. Yes. So there is on that property there is but the church is there but in next to that property there is a little slit like going in front of that property and it kind of does go in front of the fire station as well. Yeah. Also I have spoken to the pastor at
community of hope and he had mentioned that he might be willing to open up where they used to have back to Bethlehem. Yeah, as trails for us because there is a little teeny tiny designated trail in there. But um if maybe the town could approach them and see if we could because as as the group
I would get people in there with machete, you know, get it cleaned out so we can access the trails because back to Bethlehem used to be a whole Yeah. So they did mention to us that they knew that we needed trails and they were going to try to work with us about that.
They have some um site plan um changes that they wish to make. So, I think that they'll probably bring something forward. Okay. Is that they're trying to get the erode? They have um um they had an original site plan
development order. It was all approved and they want to change it and so they have to come back through and start all over. Okay. So, um, my my only comments are, um, about, um, uh, where you put that
drainage pipe in today for high park drainage. Um, are you going to go ahead and and rip wrap it or rock rubble it or you just leave the dirt right there or saw over it or? No, we're sawing it. Yeah. The whole top of it is going to be soldered. No, but I'm talking about where the pipe goes in Canal. Are you
going to rip wrap that or Yeah, it's going to get rock. Okay. Yeah. It'll be, you know, your normal like softball size rock that's going to go from bank up and it's going to be at want to say it's 10 ft each way of the pipe. So that, you know, the the deal with that is is when
we're mowing the rock long as we keep it maintained, we can see the rock and we're not cutting the pipes, right? Because sometimes a lot of these homeowner pipes are old. They're way down in the water when you're up in that machine reaching down, you can't see them until you're on top of them. So, and something else I wanted to to bring
up for the next agenda item, next meeting agenda is that we've had apparently e-road is a magnet for cars in the canal lately. So, um you know, looking at collecting ain't collecting. Yeah. So, um you know, I want to bring
up about um maybe getting some of those signs that, you know, like we have for the horse crossings are solar powered. they say stop and flash or whatever because there's um I know that it would be great if we can do this throughout the town, but we need to start somewhere and I know that they're about $500 a
sign uh minus installation, but um I'd like to go ahead and look at something like that. But that that's my comments and other than you guys are doing a great job. I can you can actually we can see change throughout the town and that's a big thing. If you collecting,
we put all new signage up. double arrows, new yellows, new everything, all that. So, I do have one sign guy that is going through the whole town right now, trying to He's going through zones of just replacing, but the problem at night and these are happening at night. All
new reflective signs, high intensity reflective. How fast are the cars going to go into the canal? They're they're going pretty good because they're hitting the guardrail flip. The first one cleared the whole canal. Oh my god. See, they they maybe should go a little bit slower. Yeah. Yeah. The first one cleared the whole canal and hit the He literally cleared and hit the other
side. If he a little bit more, he would have cleared the whole thing. Drive here. I haven't gone yet. There is um a horse crossing sign on collecting canal, which is kind of crazy because it's between B and the
bridge. But there's nowhere for horses to ride unless they ride in the middle. So maybe you could remove that sign and put it somewhere else because there's like now the flasher one here. It's before the flasher if you're going east you'll see. And I think it's hilarious because there's absolutely nowhere for It was probably put there before they
paved it. Yeah. And it just never got removed. So I'm just saying if we want to utilize that sign. It's the horse with the rider on it. Yep. So we can Do we want to confirm the next meeting date? I have your meetings I got a bunch of emails that had your meetings are
always well for the most part unless we have holidays or the board expresses otherwise the third Thursday of the month and your next meeting is scheduled for May 19th of excuse me June 19th I'm going to need a Zoom link for the June
and July meeting understood traveling across the country I have a star and for the most part if you check your emails all of those uh meeting invitations for the upcoming meetings have already been added to your emails as calendar invites. So, you should all have received that. Well, I just had it
had on the agenda to confirm next meeting. So, that's what we're doing. Um, and and one last thing, Sammy, when you get the corrections done for for the minutes of last meeting, just give me a call. I'll come up here and sign them. Yep. Absolutely. Thank you. Great. So, do I have a motion to adjurnn?
I will revisit my motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? I second. Yay. We're journ. That's how easy it happened. This is an easy committee. We don't fight. Right on time. I like the idea. It's a great concept.
No, no, no. Thank you. Thank you.