ready to go okay I I call the meeting to order the um for the roadway pre trails and Greenway advisory committee meeting February 27th 20125 at 5m I second uh we'll stand for the
Pledge of Allegiance I to the un States Justice okay can we have roll call please yes Mr chair committee chair Frank Shola here Committee Member Darcy Dean Murray
pres Committee Member Katie Lakeman is absent Committee Member Ashley Bruce and seat two is vacant Town manager Ralia is not here at the moment town clerk assistant Sammy Brown
is present committee staff liaison Richard is not present but he is on his way and project coordinator Jeff CTS I'm still here okay all right so we
have a quum yes we do Mr ch um approval of the agenda from our last meeting everybody had a chance to take a look at it and see if they needed any changes deletions or substitutions to it Mr chair this is the approval of this
agenda oh sorry yes sir appr okay approval of this agenda if I can get a motion at any time to approve motion to approve second are a motion second any discussion all in
favor I all opposed motion passes uh approval of the now we're at approval of the minutes from the 128 2025 meeting do I have a motion to approve the uh minutes of last meeting I make
that motion to approve second second motion a second any discussion all in favor I I yes all oppos motion carries three to zero okay
okay moving on to agenda item number one I'm sorry agenda item number two oh Mr comments just for the record there are no public comments great okay moving on to number two regular agenda discussion regarding recommendation for
Rural mural Mosaic proposed project adoption this um what I would what I would uh suggest um this was a recommendation or for discussion uh by
your Vice chair so um my thought is we turn it over to the vice chair to the thought process behind this and how we can uh potentially make it a reality okay I happen to cross this cruising I don't even know what but um I thought it
would be a good way to bring the community together I thought that even more so we could maybe do it as a fundraiser um for whatever funds we can drum up for whatever we designate it for the only um
question I have for the council is size and location of where we would like to put it my suggestion is to put it in a frequent publicly frequented Place such as here or at the entrance to our town
whether it be on Oobi or Southern um and then we have to come up with a design so basically what this is It's a mural based on whatever design we want but each square one by one square is a different picture so a person would pay
for the their square of whatever picture they want to paint paint it and then they all get put together to make a huge mural if you can see um like for example there's a horse one there and you see each little square one by one square is an individual picture of something
else um it was just a thought process that I thought it would be a good way to bring the community together and show the uniqueness of our town and a display um would we would we reach out to local
artists and see if somebody could come up with a well this company actually does it oh they they do you tell yeah they have um templates already made okay I I haven't reached out that far because I wanted to make sure before I spent all my you know spinning my wheels of getting
the who what's and where is want to make sure this is something that they were going to prove first before I delved further into it um I just had some questions so uh do you know the price per uh per tile I do not it depend I think it depends on the size of the mural and and you're
thinking that people would come to may maybe there's an event or just an open area for them to come and paint their tile here or would it be at home we could do either I mean we could make it a whole excuse me we could make it a whole event and maybe have its you know
table set up outside or inside or in the park there pigment tables there I mean I guess it would depend on how many people show interests well I mean you DIY it at home and then bring it you know that's some of the logistics we' have to work out but if we could make it a whole
event it would be kind of neat I mean how how would they display it it looks like it's up to the to the organization right the my understanding is you tell them the size you want the picture you want they prepare the tiles they send you the tiles you get them painted and I don't know if they come and install them
on site or if they you know glue it all together if you have to ship them I like I said I haven't really gotten to the logistics of it I just was something that I mentioned to I sent an email and everyone's like oh great great great let's do it we're putting on the agenda I'm like
okay so I wanted to see where it went here before I yeah move it forward yeah the now I I know that you said that the the company is the one that um creates this but do you do you give them like a
template or a picture because well if you go on their website they you could they ask you what size you want and then you pick a picture or you tell them what you want on the picture and they they design it themselves that's what I was wondering whether or not it's it's you the first step might be if we have local
artists or somebody to come up with the idea of what it would be then we uh give them because I would assume that for something like this we would want something with a local flavor and and
design because I think these are all really cool but I'm not sure that and we yeah we don't have to go with this company I mean this was just something that I come across if we can find absolutely local artists to even draw one big picture and then we can figure
out smaller ones to come up with that I don't know if you were able to look at the website but they have one that's a big tree they don't have it they didn't print here it's a big tree that has like horses and water and you know you could add a turtle to it you know everything that represents our town I mean
even use our logo um as as a part of it a part of it yeah that could be one tile right you know um I um I like the idea I think it's fun um you I guess you'd have to have like a wall or something and pretty right now
we we have walls up here or but my thing is that if the Town Council doesn't want to allocate you know where they want it to go and allocate some money to build like a a concrete wall that we can put this mural on or find out how it's attached um I think that's the first
step is if they're interested in allocating something towards it in the future then we can find out what we need to do to start moving this along to get them the information and it says right here the best have over one overall image a tree Eagle canoe Bridge sailboat
that our teams paint hundreds of custom Tils that can represent your community so they design each individual tile my understanding is they they designed each individual tile that creates this mural like a mosaic and then once they're painted they get put together
um you know it's a good idea be to to sell the tiles because that can go for the scholarship fund that the town has or for any anything that we you know that they that they wanted to go to yeah currently we the pountain doesn't have a
scholarship fund I think that's run through lgla at the moment but um no those are all all good things what or we could just do it as an event can you think yeah can you think about a a
location I've got one in mine but U I mean you know either somewhere up here or over at I mean the town owns very few y property yeah so maybe what we would do is reach out to a a private um land
owner here that's what I'm thinking would even out here we could right here on I don't know how far out the town owns the property here until how about Central on Southern off of Southern
Boulevard there's a very big building are you talking about Southern lawn yeah that was FR scene recommended that but I mean I don't ever go there I would never see it I mean I would like it displayed somewhere it's frequented by the majority of our town well I think the I
think the thought was that that would I mean if it's the whole side of the building and you're driving by that's awesome Southern if it's you know I don't think it's going to be that big I don't think we're I mean well yeah I'm thinking maybe a 20 by 15 or something like that you I don't know what their
dimensions are but I mean if you're talking about the whole side of a building yeah absolutely but I don't yeah I that would be great I don't know I don't know how feasible or uh not that would be and and there'd be a lot of stuff I would go down Southern just to see it yeah I think it's a you know it's
a good idea it's where where do we want it to go to and um and how much it's going to you cost to go and and do the prep work for it you know I think you know these are all things that we need to find out and you know and move it forward I mean if if we can find a place
to put it and it doesn't cost a lot of money to go ahead and and um you know because it's got to be attached to something and um you know and then go from there I mean their smallest is an 8 by eight what's their biggest it says up to 300 participants
so 300 tiles okay so that's 150 by one foot tille the picture depicts it pretty large yeah yeah I mean I know the I know the the guy that owns the the building and all that that's for Southern Southern lawn and I've known him for
many years and if that's someplace where you know I could approach them and say hey this is an idea that we have would you be interested and he said no then we know to move on if he said yeah it'll be fun well maybe that might be one site
and maybe he'll help fund it you know if it brings business yeah that's where we decide we want it but yeah I I just I I know from uh there
is mention in the community and that that that building's not as attractive as it should be it should be it was meant to be um and uh and so yeah idea is to Spruce it up you know I had that same thought every time I drive by there
I'm like how did this pass you know to get where it's at basically it's a steel building that it doesn't even I mean it doesn't even look like a barn just basically it's like lean to like this that's it I thought it would be more like pitch RS and stuff like that but yeah I mean me personally I would just
love to do Mosaic wherever you decide wherever the Town Council decides they want it I'm good with that I just I thought it was a great idea more so to bring the community together and have a community event to show the uniqueness of the town and if we can make it a fundraiser that's even better
yeah or maybe somewhere by the school yeah but if they're willing to donate their wall I mean they do have most that looks like it's going to be a lot of well and the thing is that you know you can do a first project of wherever you put it at doesn't mean that you stop right there you can do find another place to do it then say all right we're
going to do a second one yeah and you know before you know you have three or four around town and do you remember the one that used to be at Publix Old Publix here in ROM it was Publix had them yeah for for a while public was that was their their thing on
every one of the publ and then they did away with it I I missed them I asked Mary McNichols looked into this one because I said if we could re you know if we could fix um Salvage that one because it was horses you know was on each side had horses and Rolling
Hills and trees and stuff that maybe we could have hung here up at the town hall or Proctor Supply or the Public's on Southern but she said they did something with it I don't know yeah uh um so uh
potential locations is um Southern Southern lawn as a a possibility the school somewhere by the school yeah or maybe even on the on the school once again that's that's a we could enter
into an interlocal with with them um so and I guess the third one would be right up here at Town Hall okay but all it all depends on if the Town Council goes hey it's a good idea or like oh yeah i' like them to say it's
a good idea then we can move forward and get them all the information and and reading this literature that was printed up for us it does say um wall size 8 8 by 8 8 by 12 and 12 x 12 so it looks like the largest might be 12T by 12et which but the ones in the pictures look
bigger than that so I can I can reach out and find out more Logistics of it all that prices and sizes yeah um Town Hall from a visibility standpoint
is you'd have to know that it was here unless you the when when you're driving by there's the the entrance isn't you know you you kind of have to pull in and all those kind of things so I'm not I'm not
sure what the uh uh the visibility would be but obviously from the ter terms of it being here and people having access could also make good freestanding you know on a build a backboard for it and display it right on Southern I mean to
me that's semantics as to where we put it but I guess we have to find out where we put it to find out what size we need do do you want to go ahead and present this to the Town Council and see where their idea is I mean yeah let me
get I'll get the prices and the sizes and then we'll take it from there so I can present the next meeting or I can send an email or I think that would do get on their agenda and just have it to where hey you know this is what you know I found this and everything and you know we as a board I guess are we're good
with it right just as a consensus and if they say yes move it along there and go okay now we can actually start doing something if they say no we don't want to do it then pretty much here you know so you don't get wrapped up too muchel right right should we do that in the form of a
formal recommendation to the board um yeah they can uh they can pass a motion to have the vice chair present this concept to the council and we'll
we'll get it agenda I think we need we need some of those questions uh answered or we need to flesh them out on pricing where how big and those those kind of
things I think those I yeah do that um how formal do I need to be do I need to come to a meeting or do I send it via email or how um I think the the best the way to do it is to um
essentially supplement what we have here so that they have a a writing in in front of them and yeah and as far as the presentation uh do it as a presentation as an idea and we'll figure out
scheduling on that I'll just get prices and sizes and then I'll be we don't need to vote on just a consensus of the board to see if the council is interested if they say no then right you we something else they may direct it back to you or back to
another board they would to to move forward with that sounds good so consensus of the board to have the the vice chair we should definitely look into it yeah I want to look into it but I don't
want to spend a lot of time and then Town Council says yeah it's okay idea but you know we want to do something else okay um I I I want to just say that I feel like based on the name of our
committee that we should try and do a lot more more Community involvement agreed that was Yeah well yeah and it's good exposure and it I think it is appropriate for you guys to uh weigh in on where it should be so that it would
have some impact and you know and the problem I have from being being here in the town I was here ever since we incorporated and a lot of good ideas they they come out of committees and then they get to the Town Council and they just sit there and they look like a deer headlight and they
don't really want to push anything any further and people put a lot of time and effort into getting them all the information and then they're going yeah we really don't like it so I've learned that you know present a basic concept to them and if they say yes this sounds good move forward with it get us more information and then that way you know
that you're not exactly you know wasting your time and all I did was send it via email to everybody and I said was this something we could entertain and next thing you know it was on the agenda so I guess we're in the right in the right direction well you know our response I think was hey looks pretty
cool and Francine's like I'm putting it on the agenda I'm like all right it stuff could be that easy all the time we would all get along but are we are we good with the discussion on on the Mosaic yes okay anybody else have any questions on that or comments we'll
move on to number three of the regular agenda discussion review of the Rural Road Improvement standards well as I said this is really Richard's item um but my understanding
of his question to you was going to be uh do you have more questions um do you have issues that you want to to discuss uh he made a presentation at the last meeting
I know that you had had a not a whole lot of time to to review it um and are you prepared today to uh give out the questions since he's not
here to give out answers at the moment and if I'm being frank I haven't gotten with Anita to discuss any of this either we've reached out we played phone tag about it but I would like to sit with my council person and go over it so I'm not ready to make any comments on it do we
want to table this until the next meeting I think that's a good idea more time to I just I know some people got the agendas early some people did not get them until today or yesterday evening or something and if any of you would like to schedule a meeting to meet
with Richard uh sometime soon regarding that item um feel free to contact me and I'll set that up for you okay so we we'll table this item that sound good that's fine with me okay second table this item and we move on to
regular agenda item number four discussion and review of Master roadway a question trails in green plan and if you can maybe if if do you want to take a break for a second or have somebody call Richard and say hey no reason for you to come we taed it because of um I
think he's already doing well this is mostly his item too I had questions but I didn't know who's submitting that or what the the purpose is where does that start um 45 y was this the is this the trails that I
had asked for a map of the trails is this what this is yeah this is this is the previous um iteration of the MRE or Master roadway equestrian and
Greenway plan um that was prepared by Calvin jaro and Mr GRE the the thought was that uh be to to review it and I know
that you all didn't get you you might not have gotten your agendas in a lot with a lot of time to to review it U but this is a starting point to uh for you to evaluate where we are on the plan um
and whether or not we want to make some modifications to it considering this came out March 2009 all the roads have been paved since then um so for the most part a couple questions um are we
thinking of doing another you know plan similar to this to update this I think I think there has to be an update on on the plan and so this was uh to initiate the the discussion um so you can see
where folks uh had left it in 2009 um and then you know we'll move forward together uh to develop a a new plan um
that addresses the current situations can you answer what exact Trails do we have that are bonafied horse trails as of date at to date other than F Ro that I'm aware of the ones behind Aldi and
then North North Road and we also have from um the down to six4 North to to um C Road South and from SE Road South back into
alers yeah all right uh the the um all these Trail is really the solar Sports of the Town Center um Trail uh that is available that's open
to the public um there is the connection to se road that bridge there you then you have a very you have a very re
the reality of the SE Road um going along the the canal side the Western canal side on SE Road my understanding is it's really pretty narrow U there um
and a lot of that area is not a truly dedicated uh Trail because the right of way at that area that we actually have um doesn't go much
Beyond The Canal bank so when you're riding along c Road my understanding is that you are primarily writing on people's properties where we do not have a dedicated
easement um but they are you know they're not putting up fences and and blocking it off frro um the frro canal that is my understanding of the the best most
complete Trail area that we do have the concept of the the trail system was that it was going to be on the west side of all of the all of the canals canals
the a canals the alphabet canals but uh um we have not acquired easements on the majority of those areas
and so your actual dedicated Trail if you will uh is limited um in various Spots I'm not sure the exact dimensions um that's a question for
Richard to see what we really have in in terms of right away because when the canals and roads were were laid in they are not uniformly set um so but that was the that's my
understanding of the concept there is a a can a trail um on the north side of North Road or at the North Canal and that's so that's my understanding of
where we specifically have areas to where we can say those are available to us right now now there's a lot of other areas where you're riding on uh you know people's yards and it's
permissive the other area that we're developing is uh Gruber is in process or going to be in process in the next couple weeks of completing the the trail that Paving
has been completed and now they're going to put a a trail along ruber and that should be done within the next couple of months on grber where does it go to like does it connect to anything or is it just a trail on the side of it's a trail
on the side of of grber and the reason I'm proposing this question is we're trying we're looking for connectivity right because there's no point in having a trail if you can't get to the trail you know safely so U and I'm looking at page I don't know it's item four it
looks like be was B Road a designated Trail because it says primary North South Trail system and it's in conjunction with f of the Red Road as as well as okobe in southern but p is that um it's not a page oh it's um item four very end three pages from the very
figure 15 figure 15 did you say yeah okay is this yeah I'm there so U your question so is B was B it just says primary North South Trail system is this existing is this
proposed is this it was proposed at the time since f is already 2009 I'm thinking about BR Road and I don't know that it is
you would be better better apprised as to whether or not it isable area there can I ask a quick question you're clearing out an easement right now from um from f Road uh West over to the I
forget the road that that's going to but it's just right up the street here it's on the other side of collecting Canal I know you dug out the the one Pond that was over there park park yeah and there's an EAS M that that is is a drainage easement is that also under
plans to be a you know a horse way or something like that to where you can move people from there who there's our barns over there and move them right over to the to the EP Road rotting Trail okay I mean you know if you're clearing it out now and you're going to put a
fence there which I think I don't know if they're going to do or not but it seems like that's a way to start connecting stuff and if we take baby steps and start connecting these things along you know eventually will end up having you know something connected throughout the
town here's what I can tell you tell you about that that observation has been made by uh staff we are communicating with the property owners to see if they
will expand the usage of their property uh that purpose if we are successful in those discussions we will bring forward easements to the council for
approval but those are at this point in time the same thoughts the discussions have begun but we do not have commitments at this point in time but that is that's the observation of of staff that whenever whenever we can see
those those kind of connections we should try to to make them and F and frro is because it does have um the uh the trail defined it's a it's a good point to start with and my thing is we're spending taxpayer money to clear
out that that RightWay so we should be able to go ahead and put a you know connecting Trail on that you know this there clarification is that the one that's connecting if somebody's clearing out a whole line from the the e Trail right by Marcela yeah basically all the
way down all the way to hi Park and that's actually a drainage eement right in there it's a it's a drainage easement to get the drainage functioning again there is a drainage easement on in in people's historical titles um
and that easement has not been dedicated to uh the public um or to the town at this point in time but in order to manage the uh the drainage on Hyde Park we need
to have that connection so we have gotten permission for those folks to to move forward and are discussing with them an easement that would be dedicated to the town or the district and for
drainage purposes and along with that um the idea of a a horse trip small slipper I me a couple feet for the horses and then you have the drainage so I don't know if you can tell us and that's a good point to bring up um you might not be prepared today obviously but um next
meeting maybe you can tell us as to who has approved of the horse easement you know as a trail easement and who hasn't or how many are left uh possibly to improve because that would be a wonderful connectivity Trail right there um especially if they if they're having
the benefit of a drainage easement that's right behind the prop properties right they not flooding yeah is there I would propose that we get a map something simple like you know of and like this map right here it shows North
Road is in red highlighted dotted lines whatever I'm assuming that's the trail on the North and North North Road if we get a whole town map of just lines of where the trails are so we can try and figure out as Riders where we can try
and connect to okay um yeah I think that's a that's a good idea we can we can show you I don't know all the roads so like I had to look on my my handheld like what are you talking about oh that's awesome you know we need to differentiate uh
between uh trails that were planned and trails that potential are reality um and then there is those areas where the trail May seemingly exist but it's
not really based on a dedicated easement is that people have not blocked their backyards is it okay could we get a map for maybe our next meeting or email them to us if they're prepared I mean um I will I will discuss it with with Richard
I think that is possible but I don't want to commit because I don't it's just I need a visual like I said I not prepares that but I yes I think that's I think that's reasonable for us to to discuss and we'll attempt to to give you something that gives brings Clarity
there and so then consistent with the uh provide input on the updating of the merg that would be one update that we would um ask for in the updated mg to provide you know the existing and proposed trails and the um I guess the
next steps regarding getting the uh landowner approval or easements or whatever that process is yeah and and also with the with this uh the mg I mean it's almost 15 years old there's been a couple changes yeah that's exactly and
all that so I mean basically we're looking at we're looking at something that's basically 15 years old and you know more roads have been paved drainage projects have been undertaken and all that since that was prepared so I don't know how how much that that changes the
dynamic of of that old document well yeah and and as we've discussed it was never fully implemented that's why we're here so you know you quick question though getting back to the Hy Park Road easement there and all it so the either the town or the
district taxpayer money is being used to to clear that out so that it provides better drainage for the people on hide Park Road and and the roadway itself and the roadway itself but yet we don't have that's not a
dedicated easement uh it is a dedicated drainage easement okay um it has not been it was never dedicated to the district or the a town but we have uh we
have talked to those folks and they're um they're permitting the uh completion of the work on their property um and we're working towards formal easements to be granted there so you know but my thing is that if you
don't have the easements then how can you spend the money private property because I'd love for you to get the easement because that solves a problem a lot of problems for everybody yeah but the the rationale just so you understand is that there is a public benefit to
that project because without that drainage outflow that was is always supposed to to be there um you can't drain the the pond and you can't take care of the
roadway drainage those are things that we are maintaining right now um and have taken over by virtue of the length of Maintenance that we have on that road so it's a it's it's a supplement to to
that and that's the only way we can make that drink work I have a dumb question this was prepared March 2009 and looks like substantial research and Engineering was done on this what
happened why was I mean because it it gives you suggestions of how to connect I'm reading about southern road Boulevard I'm reading about Tangerine like all these were on the building blocks for connectivity for Trails but here we are like you said many many years later and this has all been paved
over and and combed over so why was this mg never implemented accepted made part of the charter or like what happened to it there's a the money was spent to do this I mean
this come cheap I'm not fully versed on all the machinations as to why it was never implemented the reason most plans are not implemented and a good bit of this uh wasn't imp implemented is you do not
have funding uh provided by the governing body to to implement things uh you may not have you primarily don't have a will at that particular time to to move forward uh so this plan for the most
part has been on the Shelf now there have been things as we've discussed there have been things that have been implemented about it but I can tell you that the the trail money that was budgeted
for the the last couple years has been on the order of $20,000 and it's been carry forward money so there have been other priorities that are uh that have been
determined uh by the Council and so we as all every government enti does and everybody does uh we have fiscal limitations so but was
in that money not ear marked and created or raised or funded for said Trails was it allocated for something else no that no that's what you what you have here is um the you had a plan
um and it was never fully funded um and I'm not even sure now whether or not there is uh a budget that has been developed associated with it what I'm telling you is in the last three years where I have been involved and seen the
budget I believe it was about $20,000 that was allocated towards um trails and that has not been $20,000 a year that was $20,000 and then it was carried forward because there
wasn't uh a plan to utilize those monies so there's another so it's not a it's not a $20,000 per year it's been $20,000 this year um my belief is that
most of the the monies associated with that are going to be spent on um signage related to the trails that's my recollection once again Richard would be better able to to specifically uh recall
that but that's my current recollection of to what most of that money is and you can imagine that $20,000 doesn't go a lot Way Long Way in establishing Trails signs cost I I can I can tell you
when the signs cost I mean even the signs they were talking about putting down o Toby it was a ridiculous amount of money they cost a lot of money yeah I I can tell you why this hasn't been implemented I've been here since 1994 so um there were a lot of good
intentions behind this because I was part of this when they first came out with it with the town but the problem that they had was that they had um no money that was the big thing the second thing they had was they could not get
the um permission to build these trails on the on the easements because the people were were saying well you can have the easements and clear them out but we don't want any horses on them or any ATVs or whatever because people on Horseback can see what we have and
they'll they'll try to steal from us oh God yeah and uh so pretty much the the councils over the years have dropped it and they haven't pretty much they they really haven't cared about it um because a lot of the people that that sit up
here they don't have horses they don't you know they they don't do this stuff they don't ride bikes they don't you know they they don't do this stuff they're too busy doing other stuff so um they they really did you know was a group of things that that did not that
didn't couldn't come together and the big thing was is that for years it was we didn't have we didn't have access to the easements and once we got access to some of the easements frro was a big thing frro to give you an idea because I was on the water control for when we
created that trail that took us 7 years to create that trail from collecton Canal to oo seven years and we had already cleared it out it was seven years of fighting with homeowners about well that's great but we're and they would start blocking off with fences and
stuff like that and it got to the point to where we went in there and we started pulling you know Gates out and fencing and all that and we we were able to get it opened up but we had we had to get a u um an act from the state legis if you can believe this and it cost us almost $100,000 to do it just to open up that
trail and that was and then we had to spend the money to fence it and to sign it and all that which was the cheap end of it but between the attorneys lobbyists and all that that's how long it took and that was just for one little test triail and people liked it and you
know and and in the long run nobody nobody's crime went up because of it you know yeah sometimes people do ride their mules on it and they you know their their four-wheel mules and their ATVs and stuff like that but you know at the end of the day Prime hasn't gone up from it and all of their fears were were
really unimagined right well let's remember we're a rural community you know that's what we do and it would be nice to do the same thing if it takes seven years and $100,000 with that other Trail to allow some more Trail systems
at least that are already connected so you know and the thought was is that okay this is the the template so now we know how to do this we don't need to go and spend all that kind of money and all that and we showed that that all their fears were were
unwarranted and and then the the town pretty much had just got started and then they're going yeah it sounds like a really good idea and then it dropped it because there were other you know fires to put out I do I do think and it's based on
comments that have been made by the current Council um that there is much more interest and um desire to move forward with improving the trails uh
funding is always going to be an issue um there are grants that are being s you know and and the thing is is that and I had brought this up to previous councils is that you don't want to be behind the eightball and all of a sudden have to shoot from the hip to try to
make these Trails because you know three or four kids on Horseback got mowed down by a semi and they were all killed the horses were killed and all that and it made national news and then you're going all right we need to do the trails but everyone's busy pointing fingers let's do it now and avoid that because it will
eventually happen if if we do nothing it will eventually happen and and that's the worst fear that I have I just feel like we've been spinning our wheels for 14 years and we haven't really gotten we haven't what's on paper we Haven even spun the wheels wheels now they spun
because it ran out of gas and um you know that's why why when I had got on this this committee and I agreed to you know that my councilman Robert schwar I told him said if we can't make a difference in six months I'm leaving because I'm not gonna spend two years like it did on the last committee and we
did all these great things and put hours and days and weeks and months into it and then pretty much I said yeah we don't really care about that so you know we have a good group of people up here and we have a good group of people you know on the town staff end of it but you
know it all relies on the the Town Council to go and say yes let's move it forward if they say no then why are we here there you go so on this on this item this merg what what what is needed from us just
discussion this all all this was meant to do today was to be an introduction um to where we're where we're at um and as I said unfortunately Richard is not here for the the detail
that you would like um but the direct the direction that you've given us is uh come back with a more detailed um review of what we have that's existing versus
proposed uh the condition of the existing Trails what's need needed to improve those trails and uh talk about connectivity please yeah I mean it
simplify it because to me looking at this like wow this is all the stuff we could have had but this is paved that's paved this doesn't work that is gone specifically I don't know what the name of that clear out is I know where it is yeah all specifically whatever that is
how how do we get the land owners or some type of easement for for horses to ride or for people to walk we have to we have to ask them for for that be an expansion that meeting yeah okay yeah
there's really not much we can do until Richard comes here because he's our our question and answer Mr can you speak it to your mic want to make sure yeah we can't really come here you know because Richard isn't here a lot of this stuff can't be answered and I think taking this stuff home and reading it a little
bit more and and then you know coming back at the next meeting um because right now it's uh without him here there's really not much that that can um Can Happen second that motion if you want to adjourn I well we're just we're just gonna I guess we'll table it to the next
to the next meeting if that's good with the with the with the rest of the board res sooner than later yeah and if we can get that map prior to the next meeting it would be great that way we can look at it to discuss it with our council person and come up with some ideas for
our next recting I will I will check on that um you're there will be uh additional members potentially different members um
one because the well the the council is meeting on March 18th after the election uh and they will they will uh begin the reappointment process with respect to
committees so if you are interested in continuing to serve you should reach out to um the person who appointed you or uh you know the person who gets elected because my my council person or you know
there are there are four there are four Council seats that have been determined there is one one left so yeah talk to talk to the council members I think you're a great group to and it's again it's it's my Council member seat that is yet to be the
tournament yeah which is okay either way for me you know I'm he's running right Hoffman so is that why he's no longer on the if that person seat two was was Mr Hoffman wasn't it seat two was Miss ladio I believe yes and then there was a
proposal that Mr Hoffman was never appointed to this oh because that was on his the flyer that we got about his position said he was on the W gag committee so I that's why I assumed that was okay the the the process the process for
appointment is that you are appointed by your Council memb subject to ratification essentially by the uh the council as its entirety I
think there was a proposal to have Mr Hoffman on this committee to replace um m Ado was it and ladio ladio and uh
that uh that had that appointment did not get to an agenda so it was never considered by the entire Council I it it's a matter of you have to make your appointments you have to get lined up and everything
and the the timing of the resignation the timing of the appointment and all those kind of things we only beet monthly she Bowski was she Laura yeah I can't remember the exact timing on it but we didn't it wasn't put on the agenda because I think
there were some timing issues with respect to it so we do we need to try and find another person to fill that seat no um we as a town not the the town counil I Know M Ry is in the process of
looking for m to serve on her various Committees of which she'll be appointing uh to so so we'll move on to committee members I'll start on my right you have anything you wanted to add or um I would like to if if I'm
reappointed I would like to put something on for the next agenda um just a discussion regarding possibly utilizing the locki Groves Park that uh portion of it that's
unused more for equestrian type activities um more specifically the baseball area I don't know the usage I don't know how often that's used I would like to discuss uh during one of our next meetings perhaps allowing horses to
be in that area so that would be my only point I think there has some been some Outreach to the county so we'll update you on that thank you does that complete your your comments I would like to talk about it at the next
meeting so that I I can understand the process that that's involved to get that approval and you know any I guess concerns we put n natural jumps or obstacles there just just the process so I would like to hear I guess a little bit more I
don't know if it's my job to do that research or the town can possibly as I said the out my understanding is there's made some contact with uh the county um it is
their partk we will discuss you know with them whether or not they are amable to it and if they are amable to a whether or not they would want to enter into an interlocal agreement where we would uh have to
provide some of the facilities whether or not they as the county since you're all County resent um and they've already got a horse trail there that's the other place that there is a horse trail right there I'm not sure we mentioned that yeah there is actually yeah but but there is one there
um and you know whether or not they would say okay let's start spending some money or at least allow it to occur or allow it right and what would be needed to persuade the county
so I understand that maybe first Contact staff and see what their uh their take on thank you yeah if the county says we're not interested I mean it pretty much it dies right there no no I mean you know then then you try to influence the well then you go to the
County Commission and along the lines with what Miss Bruce just proposed the r pal Natural Area there's only the West half that we can utilize the trails is there any way to
get permission to extend the horse trails to the east side I think Ro P owns that uh the answer to both of those I think is yes there so yes we can extend no we can yes look into extending we can look into
extending it yes right is the control okay because I know the county is West part where we're allowed to ride the horses which is IR and then the other side is R pal so if back to that local agreement with if we can what what I
can't answer for you is whether or not there are um design or logistical issues with uh that would prevent I know that you're saying sensitive sensitive areas but they drive cars drucks through there
so it can't be any more sensitive than so we we need to understand more about that and how do we widen the access in that area so we could do that for us we will look into that that will be another I guess agenda item for and then I have a big one which I don't know it's
feasible but the water drainage for the hospital next to Vince Ramos it's a big lake that's fenced off and it's just a empty drainage without foliage and trees and I think there's a big pond
there that that belongs to the hospital belongs to the hospital I was wondering if there's a way we could look into maybe annexing that into the town to make it a Park multi-use Park fishing um a trail around the outside of the
lake possibly it's just I mean I have been on the property on my horse once because there was a opening in the fence and curious little girl wanted to go and see what was there so it would be an
amazing Trails hiking biking Hing walking it's beautiful and it's just property that's just sitting there and it's actually a drainage ditch for when the hospital was built yeah and that would be nice but in order to get that
into the town the hospital itself would have to come in and there's been yeah and there's been a lot of resistance over the years with that from the hospital now that HCA owns it they may be more meable to talk about that but um I know that that they enjoy having their
their taxes the way they are because they're in a county SLI right there on AARP area or you know lease it to us for a dollar a year you know something and make us yeah yes sir because I'm I'm sure Vince Ramos could benefit from it with their writing
program as well it's a thought and it's a piece of property just sitting there W is there access public could we publicly access that or could you could go through the parking lot at the hospital and then we could go through collecting well not colle no what's the other side
of that six six cour North yeah yeah so there's a way to access it from six4 more okay any more comments from good I I just got uh look a lot of homework I I'm telling you like they're gonna be like oh my God
that committee have another meeting before we're I just have I what I can't guarantee is whether or not we're going to be prepared to move forward with all these items by the next meeting Rome wasn't built in a day but at least we have answers we have uh R we we have a
number of other responsibilities and you know as much as this is fun seven I don't want to I don't want to overcommit but I think these are all good ideas for future agendas to at least explore I mean I'm willing to reach out myself I just don't know where who to reach out
to and when and I don't know if it's the legality thing that a resident you know what I'm saying like we can we can do that we dismissed you we were just about to wrap up I think yeah I'm just getting ready to do my comments and then we're going to just do it confirm the next
meeting and we pretty much put everything off till the till the next meeting that because we figured you were just you know in in a parking lot somewhere Far Far Away In A Distant land and future BJ Boulevard at that point my GPS
hour that's that's every day on the turnpike FYI but um yeah I have two comments one um uh uh I know people are sending you know you sent me the the the Mosaic or you sent um I sent it to the trails yeah but but in in the future
because if it's something we're going to discuss at a meeting there might be some ethical things and all so I'm going to just recommend that if you have anything to send you want the rest of the committee send it to Francine first I sent it to the email that says roadways
trails in the question so everybody got at the same time well Francine is I think what Mr sh is trying to say that he doesn't want want to run the risk of committing a Sunshine Law violation by any of you guys just responding or if you intentionally respond to um Francine
or staff member but moving forth um and I know you have uh previously if you'd like to just send it to um our individual emails like Francine's individual email as well as mine or Jeffs or Richards that's fine you don't have to use the um U I think it's called
wreck that email because that includes all of the board members so so do I just send to one person that's fine yeah and then send it to a a non-committee member right the reason the reason for that is I think has been discussed is if they
respond correct and you start a discussion on the issue even if they just say that looks great right that's a comment I get it Tech that's out it's okay it's I mean it's a learning experience and I just don't want anybody to to get in trouble by doing something that they thought that they were it was
okay to do which is and and and also a totally rational and understandable thing and that email was just for distribution purposes so I can send it out to all of you instead of every single time remembering who are proba yeah probably sent to all but okay I'm sorry about that and and the the second
thing is that I had a request and and take it or leave it it doesn't matter to me either way but uh the land owners meeting is actually on tonight because there's a few people that go to the land owners meeting that can't come here and they want to know if we could move it to
another Thursday and um I said I would bring it up at the meeting and if the board wanted to it's great if they didn't wanted to that's my too that one said the last Thursday the I'm gonna pretty much and I'll just go right in our next and confirm the next meeting date on the
agenda uh I will not be here the 27th so that's fine so if you don't want to do the last that way it doesn't um um are we talking about 20th yes I
can do that yeah 20 to the third the third Thursday of the month yeah sounds good and we do want do five o'clock we want to keep it at five o'clock yeah I think five o'clock is great because we can if everyone's good with that and um you know I think six o'clock and then
everyone 's getting out of here sometimes 7 or 8 o'clock at night and I think earlier is better plus you're getting just off of work and you come from public works right over to here you don't have that hour lag time right and I believe uh Committee Member Lakeman at the last meeting asked for us to move
the meeting times up to five o'clock are you guys can is this okay for everyone okay thank you so our next meeting uh will be every third Thursday which the next one being Monday the 20th mar mar sorry at 5
o' okay do you want a summ summary of what was discussed or do you don't care um I had asked for a map um yeah any comments on that would you like me to relay that information to him what we discuss at the very end the recommendations by the committee members
sure okay would you like me just s to you an email R yeah okay and also the next agenda items too and cour understood I haven't had a chance to get with Anita and I don't know if they've had you know we we weren't ready as as a
committee to discuss it um but we did ask for a an existing Trails map simplified you know this yes this no so we we're trying to figure out connectivity um and my thinking is I'm trying to think of outside the box how
we don't have direct access how we can find safe connected okay so do I have a motion to adjourn I will make a motion to adjourn second I second okay so Mo thank you thank you