I got one of those stinking things. I know they husband think agenda. Wow. Wow. I have an email. I have an email.
Way to this thing up so I'm not like blink. No, I think you come up here. Lights off. It lights up. Okay. Look at that. We needed your pub check. There's a whole bunch of consultants
here. All right. We have Lauren. Okay. But don't try that in anybody's eyes any step away right now. That's great. All right.
Good evening everybody. The October 7th town of the October 7th town of Blox town council meeting will now come to order. If we could all rise for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Just have a little bit of silence. Hey, thank you, Valerie. If I could have a roll call. Council member Coleman here.
Council member El Ramy here. Council member McClendon here. Vice Mayor Herszog here. Mayor Kaine present. Town manager Raala here. Town attorney Kurtz here. Community standards director Garner Young. Public works director Galant
present. It okay thanks. Um okay. Uh we have a couple of well let's do the this is the time of the evening where we do public comments on non-aggenda items. Do we have any public comments still? Miss
Danish, Virginia Standish North Road. I'd like to give the council and staff some feedback on this is not an agenda item. has nothing to do with your tree fund, but on your uldc's and tree mitigation with
land owners. I've spoken briefly last year about it, but it boils down to almost extortion is the word I have to use. So, I have a customer that's decided to sell her property. And the reason I call this extortion
um her options are she can pay 47,000 or she can pay 166,000. She has she did not clear cut her property and she has over I think at least 200 trees left on the property including a beautiful point sienna. I
would encourage the uldc to review their policies for properties that have not clearcut. Also, um, when I asked what was the bonafide a discussion for mitigating this, I said because if you're going to pay 450 to 160 some
odd,000 and I sell this to somebody as bonafideed a, you just paid that and they're going to come in and clearcut. Now, to me, that makes no sense. There's something unbalanced in this policy. So
just and in the trees alone you have a live oak you take out 36 you have to replace it with 152. The palms are one for one slash pines which are normally given away to people to plant. Uh you
take 29 out and you have to put 170 in. I I realize a lot of time and effort went into this policy, but it's just not making sense. It It is crippling people and it makes no sense to have someone spend that kind of money and then have
somebody else come in and clearcut property. The other reason it makes no sense is I drive around this town all the time. I see people doing whatever the heck they want with their trees. C road, I can show you two properties. Not sure if the town's concerned. Um, I will
check your MGO system, which I find faulty. Uh, all you can find out is if a property has a permit, you can find out no detail. It's very limited. And if your phone number is not on the permit, it's really uh not a public record. I
understand privacy, but it seems like that MGO system is lacking. Thank you. No other comments. That's it. C can I ask some questions? Sure. Go ahead. Virginia, can I ask you a question? Sorry, I wanted to ask for permission
before I just busted out. Um, so, um, just for clarification. So, are we talking we took out 29 24 inch in diameter mature pine trees and we're requiring
139 saplings to go back in to accommodate detail printed out. I'm just for an example just as an example just for an example one I'm sure just so I can understand your staff here so on the let's go to the slash pine so you have 29 taken out
yes there's a diameter written here of say 140 and the total trees to be mitigated are 170 however when I look at your uldc also which I have printed out the section I will re spending more time
reading it it refers to three times the value of a tree. I myself am reviewing this. I'm just saying I urge you to review this. It is bank basically bank robbing holding people at gunpoint to have them pay money and then someone
else can just come in and clearcut the property. It makes absolutely no sense and it seems unbalanced. Okay. I I realize it's been go, you know, a lot of thought went into it. I understand that. Right. So I mean, yeah, she didn't clear cut, but so they went and cleared trees
without any kind of site development permit or anything like that. This person, this is one of the I'm asking I don't think this is one of the few honest people probably in site development in this town. And even she was even told that well the problem was you're a little bit
too honest about what you did. She did the tree survey by by someone who was being truthful with her, right? We know how some people are in this town. And she did everything by the book, spent money, removed only trees from where she uh was
going to develop, decided not to build here. And there really it just didn't she couldn't replant on the property. So, and I realize we're trying to keep a balance, but again, when I drive around, I see people got that are not bonafideed a got trees all over the place. They're
burning. And I realize staff tries to catch up with them. But when I look at these numbers and these dollar amounts and like I said, bottom line, spend 129,000 and I'm going to sell it to somebody that might be bonafideed egg. To me, that's just
the town making money. You know, not really caring about the trees is what it looks like to me. Okay. Thank you. I'm just Todd has a question, I believe, for you as Well, it's not a question. I agree with you that a property shouldn't be on the clearcut. I think that's a problem with our code.
Yes. I think it should be addressed. Yes, you and there's no requirement to clear cut a property for a that's a nice nice myth I think from the 50s or something. I mean it was written where you know you can clear like 10 or 15 feet from your property line all the way around whether you're a or not. There was a lot of
things that were put in that I don't agree with and I I agree. I got a thousand flyers and but what I'm saying and and and this person she she's well represented. They'll get through it. But my comment to her was look, you know, this this may not sell for a while. Let's go for
bonafide a and I was told that was not even brought up. And I was like, oh well, I'll be reading everything now and it will be brought up. So that's the crazy part is we push people into lowering their property taxes so they can be exempt from the code and do whatever they want. It's well and I I'm not I'm not look I know I
bought in an a community and when when we people are supposed to say you're buying in an a community you're not buying you know in the residential a density like Westlake or parts of Wellington. And I'm not against a at all. I'm just saying this just doesn't
make sense and this is the perfect I've been looking for a perfect example over the years. This is one. Well, and I think what Paul was talking about is right. It's, you know, you take out big mature trees and you can't just plant a sapling, right? And then you're going to assume that a third of the sapling, they're going to die. And I Yeah, and I understand what
they're trying to do. And there's additional costs because even at the lower amount, if you don't have irrigation and you've got to bring keep bringing water, I mean, the sod farm, their trees died, no big deal. And then the story was, well, this rule wasn't in place. You know, everyone's always got a
story, you know, get out of jail card free until someone doesn't. So, yeah. I mean, even when you're say you went and bought a property over here off of Los Angeles that's only what quarter acre, right? And it's wooded or it's got
some trees on it. Even if you're going in there and you're even if it's say all holly tree and you got to take it out, right? because you're developing the property so far around the the the structure, etc. You're still going to have to re you're going to have to plant
trees. I mean, even you go out in the out into Indian trails area out unincorporated area, you're going to have to plant a certain number of trees based on the size of the farm. I'm not questioning that. What I'm saying to you is this particular property still has over 200 trees on it. There needs to be a little give and
take. It's not a clear-cut property. I understand, but it seems like uh in the ULDC's when this was, you know, everyone was focused on trees, keeping trees. I understand that my property is full of trees. Um but it just doesn't make any
sense the way this is working. I understand it was originally modeled after Palm Beach County. The marity of Palm Beach County is developed. Well, and they don't have any trees they're taking out. I understand that. But I mean, if you go
if you go around to say Ardan and I I devil's advocate, folks, I'm not here to clearcut Locks of Hatche Groves. Let's let's preface before it gets all put out there on the interweb. Um, but if you go out to or you go down to Del Rey, right?
Those were all clearcut anyway because they were all crops, right? Del Rey Bokeh all 441, right? And that developer who is the lion share down that way, right? They have to there's a certain amount of trees that they have to plant the the
state shooting ranges. I'm just giving an example. I'm not trying to argue the state shooting range. I can tell you experience the state shooting range right out by Corbett area that was in a tomato hold on that was in a tomato field. Yes. All holly tree and scrub and weed. Yes. When the state pulled their applied
for their development of that property with the county and and and built there, they held up their CO. They held the state CO up because they were short $2.5 million in oak trees that were to go around the border, right?
On a to on a tomato field. No. Right. So, they had to wait a whole another year to get their CEO because they had to wait for budget hearing, you know, budget whatever to get approved so they could buy the oak. I'm just saying it's not happening. It's happening everywhere of those properties. Will any of them return to bonafide a piece?
I think that's one of our big complaints is the next day somebody buy the terms of a and clear I agree. I agree. I could have a bon I could have a bonafide a property right now right and I I could be bonafide a not be exempt. I could just be bonafideed a I could be running LLC and I could go put a lean to right on the
very corner of my property and there's nothing anybody in this room can do about it. Right. So So is this No, it's not. So the only thing that it talks about in the bonafide and and write the farm act is the is is flood water. Everything else you can come in
as bonafide a and clear cut that property and put in a crop. Show me the state statute that says that brother. Okay. But my point is I think I think there's a revisit to this topic is my point. Okay. I'm just saying there's a revisit
to encourage people one if they are bonafide egg not to take out all the trees. You had the sod farm representatives come in and say after the fact, oh well yeah we didn't have to take out all those trees. It's easier for them to just but and we have a prime example of a
bonafide act property. We have a prime example of bonafideed a property that she she kept a lot of trees and she replanted trees and she worked within the system and you know and that's somebody who you know worked with the system and she's bonafideed a egg and and it's a beautiful property um you know
but I would remind you um I'm sorry for interrupting but I would remind you I believe there's also something in there that if your property is bonafide and you leave you're supposed to aren't you supposed to put those trees back or the next person supposed to put those trees back if they're not bonafideed? I don't
see that happening. Just saying. And my point with the shed was and where I was going with a shed. Yes. Right. Because I can just go slap a shed, right? And I can sell that property to your next client tomorrow. Right. Right. I can put the shed up today. I can sell it tomorrow and with a permit. Of course. Well, of
course. Well, yeah. No, cuz I'm bonafideed a bon right in the corner. Okay. No setback, nothing. The the overhang the overhang is going is hanging over the neighbor's property. Nobody can do anything about it. Right. you sell that property tomorrow or next week or whatever. Okay, the person that buys
that property better maintain the the bonafideed a the egg exemption better maintain bonafide a or else they now have an illegal structure on their property. So it it's a big juggling act. But there is also a thing on the trees also that somebody is supposed to put those trees back and what I'm saying I'm
not seeing that if they're not boned up. There's some inconsistencies in this town and I will bring you I am starting to look at all the properties. I'm sorry I have to do this. I normally don't waste my time looking at other people's properties unless I'm involved in it. But I am now going through uh the code
cases, FDA's uh and asking for public records to see who has complied and who hasn't and why they got away with it. Well, I I think you're you're absolutely right. There are a lot of inconsistencies. I think all five of us up here, I think even staff would would would back you up in that statement.
There are a lot of inconsistencies and that is right. and and and and I I I think we're we're poised at this point um with with some more focus because we're not we don't have contracted code enforcement, right, and stuff like that. So, we have we're poised at this point and we have
somebody that's that's, you know, been in this world and can guide us to look and I think you're going to see ULDC be the committee be a little more, you know, directed to start reviewing some of these things. And my two points is I'm not really looking for anyone to be code enforced.
So, I'm looking for inconsistencies and um correct. But what my my point is, okay, because I don't I'm not looking to code enforce anybody either, right? Let's put that out there, everyone. Okay. Be clear. Yeah. I'm I'm going to have all kinds of stuff. Yeah.
Um um you know, my point is is with that department being staffed by staff instead of a contract uh organization that built us for time and this and that, we know what's happened in the past. My point is we have persons in place now
that we can start being more diligent about looking at our ULDC going pouring through the ULDC and going this doesn't make any sense for our community because a lot of our stuff was boilerplate that we grabbed from the county and we altered some things to to deal with us. So I I think again I think
we're sitting poised in a good space. But I will say to you that I know the ULDC after we were incor incorporated in good faith spent a lot of good time on it. Now we're seeing the inconsistencies and I keep I keep coming up with what I wanted to say to you. I keep forgetting. Um
but in this maybe one of the things you all might want to consider is what percentage of the property would you like to see treat? Maybe that's a better way of looking at it than oh you took 50 trees now you got to put back 120 right? What percentage of the property would
you like to see covered? Well, it's like if I buy 10 acres and I'm building a 2,000 square foot house in the back of the 10 acres, I don't have to take every invasive off of that 10 acres at the time of development because I'm only building change that. I'm I'm only bu I'm only building
Yeah, you're supposed to, but I don't think your area development get bees for the holly. Don't worry about it. That's my has a question. Sorry. Sorry, Lisa. I didn't see your light on. Uh, twofold. that that would be part of the conservation easement to give people
tax breaks and to provide incentives to keep trees and stuff like that. Good point. So that I think that's one of the things that we've talked about possibly implementing. Um but I think particularly to the example you chose the
there is a site plan that has been provided right because that's what caused the whole tree process that that happened surveys everything was done properly. Correct. And it's my understanding from our conversations that this property cannot be sold with that site plan along
with it. Right. Which I was baffled by. Yes. I didn't bring Why not? If you've proposed a house and a barn and and kind of a setup, can you not sell it with the plans and then and then there's no need to deal with the trees?
Plan is already there. Addressing the trees. I didn't know trans staff has told them that that cannot happen. The egg exception is a concern, but she was talking about an approved site plan.
Okay, Jeff is about to weigh in, I believe. Now, what I was going to um to say with I think the uh section of the statutes that uh Councilman Coleman was referring to is 82314,
the Right to Farm Act, and specifically subsection 6, which deals with the limitation on regulations. I believe that's what you were referring to. I I I'm very bad at quoting those subsections. I'm I'm sorry. use this tree mitigation have anything
to do with nuisance? Well, it's a limitation on duplication of governmental regulation. Um, and it says that we can't uh a local government may not adopt any ordinance, rule, regulation, regulator, or otherwise limited activity on a bonafide um farm
operation on land classified as agricultural land pursuant to 193461. Um, it's usually talking about best management practices and nuisance stuff is what it's talking about. So there is no duplication. There is no state law that says you can clear cut. So we can't duplicate that. So I'm confused. You and
I will have a discussion. I'm confused about Lisa's point. The point and and and I'm sorry Virginia's point also. I mean you always talk about having projects like when we're doing for for fun, you know, for getting funding for things that we have to have
shovel ready, right? We got to have it ready to go. This is shovel ready and the buyer's willing to buy it and adhere to a site plan that's already been approved. This site plan's already been approved by the town. I mean, I this couldn't happen supposedly.
Well, I I know, but I'm justing the query that why couldn't it be sold with that site plan and then not incur that $126,000 worth of fines? Because you're selling it with the site plan. You're selling a bonafideed egg property to a bonafide egg person. Why? Why can't
that happen? I think specifically I do not know. I do not know. You don't know the specific I don't know why that you couldn't transfer it. It may have that be that the site plan expired. I mean, there are circumstances that you would have to look at, but I'm not aware of the particular circumstances. But I'm
unaware and I'm looking out at our community standards director uh because she deals with it on a more daily basis. I'm not aware that uh property could not be transferred subject to a site plan. That's very
much the usual situation especially in commercial um type of development. what we do with all our commercial projects or 35 and I aming them to come back and present multiple options. So I think don't be discouraged. I just
think it's further discuss. Yeah, because I there's there's no reason why there's there's no reason why like I I I own a piece of property. I have an architect engineer draw a set of plans. I put it in for permit for for my for my house, right?
And then something happens in the sick. I whatever I got to go, right? So, I'm going to sell it. Well, hey, listen. I already have all the soil disease, all this stuff. It's shovel ready. You take this. The permit's open over here. It's been approved. It's called a ch It's called a change. Hold on. It's called a
change of contractor. Something very similar could be done with with a site plan if like Jeff said, it wasn't expired or whatever. That being said, right, just because something expires, maybe expires to inactivity, whatever. And I think it's it's probably a procedural thing or whatever. And this
is kind of what I was going back to last meeting. I was asking about procedures and things is I think that some stuff is kind of so, you know, we've had some attrition over the past few years, whatever. So Larry's gone, now Richard's here, etc., etc. So, I think
if we can start nailing down these procedures, procedural stuff, I'm not saying something needs a resolution or an ordinance or what, what have you, but procedural things that are SOP that would mitigate a lot of this, you know,
well, this person said this, this person said that. You know what I'm saying? Because when the next person comes in, here you're the new whatever. Here's your here's the policy here. This is what you're learning off of, etc. I mean, We're all familiar with familiar with
change of contractor but when this person um I want to say this under the impression it could not be transferred she allowed the permits to be closed. So again to your point procedure reviewing I think this is an area that needs a lot of work
and will help people coming into this town besides also teaching them about garbage. I think clearly established rules is hugely important too. But thank you Virginia for being Yeah. And I think as people invest in these FDAs, these are huge investments uh engineering wise and stuff like that.
And it's another reason why I permitted my barn because I wasn't going to spend $120,000 building a barn. Everybody's like, "Your egg, you don't have to permit it." And I go, "Yeah, but I don't want somebody to have to tear it down who might live there and not be bonafideed eggs." So, I mean, you know, I know that you don't have to with the
agricultural, but it it I mean, some things just make and I'm not sure that microphone is turned on. So, it all might make sense. Okay. Before we approve the agenda, I have a couple of changes that I need to make you all aware of. So, let me go ahead and do that. First of all, um, so I had
a communications error. my email town email was hacked and I was out of communication for like a week and a half because I guess the hacker redirected all my emails someplace and so I wasn't getting new emails. Long story short, Kim Lancaster and I did not meet up so she's going to present at the November
meeting so she's pulled from tonight. Um and uh we we are replacing that presentation with a presentation by PBSO that Darla is going to give who's here so we can start there. I'd like to um before Darla um we have some students
from Seminal Ridge High School that did a PSA for our uh recag committee. So I'd like to let them be first. So let's do the um trails PSA first and then the PBSO presentation.
Um and then item number five is being pulled from the agenda by from the consent by staff. And then um regarding the lean reduction um I believe we plan on opening that but then
continuing it till next month just so everybody knows. Did I get everything? Is there anything else that I missed? Did you want item five pulled off the agenda or off the consent? Off the agenda is my understanding. Okay. All right. And that's it. Right.
Okay. So, with that, can I have a motion to approve the agenda? I make a motion to approve the agenda with the corrections. All in favor? I pull consent items though, right? We haven't gotten to consent yet. We're on presentations first. Okay. All right. So, let's go with the
trails PSA. You ready? No, that if that was the case, I do have a thing in case not. We can Oh, no. Let's show it. Let's see it. Let us see it. You guys worked hard on this. That's awesome. This should The only thing should be on is the
Hopefully there's nothing that you don't want see it on there. It's It's completely clean. So, it's I should have just downloaded um one or two of both. Both both of them. Both of them. There's two different ones. So, would you like to just give a little
intro of what you did? Um and maybe Darcy can come up and stand with you. Uh so, this uh PSA was originally approached to us by Mary. She saw us at make another one for the Indian Trails
District and she wanted us to make one for here. So, I worked with a previous student. She just graduated. She's now a freshman at UF. Also continuing with broadcasting and film. Uh Reagan Brezan, unfortunately, she was unable to come online tonight. Um but she did help and
edit all of this together. I took care of the production side. I do want to uh say thank you to letting us do this and putting this together. Um, we spent the last couple months on it and this is the final result. So, okay, ready?
Welcome to Lahachi Groves, a small but sturdy community. It's home. Oops. Welcome to Lockachi Groves, a small but sturdy community. It's home. Uhoh.
Welcome to Lockachi Bros. A small but sturdy community. It's home. No. Technical difficulties. Corrupted file. Is it corrupted or something? Okay.
Yeah, the encoding is not supported in our system. Um, we do have these files. They will be uploaded to YouTube um and on our website. So, look out for it hopefully tomorrow. Um, we'll send out an email once it's updated. Sorry, it's a issue with the encoding.
This one aren't just part of our landscape. They're part of our way of life. Whether you are trail riding, crossing the road, or just enjoying the outdoors, safety should always come first for you and your horse. Before you ride, make sure your tack and equipment are properly fitted and in good
condition. Helmets aren't just for beginners. They save lives, no matter your skill level. When riding near roads, wear bright or reflective clothing. Use designated crossings when available, and always assume drivers might not see you. Make eye contact when possible and never ride in low
visibility without lights or reflectors. Share the trail responsibly. Let others know when you're approaching. Ask slowly and keep your horse under control. If you are walking with dogs or biking, be aware of nearby horses and give them space. And remember, hydration, rest,
and knowing your hor's limits are key to safe, enjoyable rides. This message is brought to you by the town of Loxachche Gross. Respect the ride. protect our horses and let's keep our community safe together. [Music]
Can I have something? Can I have something for you? And I have one for Reagan. Hope you can get it to her. Right. Yeah. Do you want them here? So you're in front of the So we just wanted to thank you for all of your hard work and give you a little
certificate of recognition. Yes. Thank you so much. I think we also need to thank I think we also need to thank our recent two or three meetings
going over the video and they also were all out there for the filming and everybody just did a really fantastic job. Thank you. Thank you so much. Um I did want to say that we are gonna try and not only put that on YouTube but
can you go stand up there to the mic Darcy? I'm sorry and say what Christy Marie Northro um I helped with this project being on the rep committee. So um in our discussions we had stated that we were also going to try and put it on the local news channels not just
YouTube not just you know localahhatche but we are going to try and see if the news will pick it up and spread it all throughout the county. Thank you. Thank you all for your hard work. Thanks. Good job get stuff done and they are
they did they got stuff done. You're up. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you for squeezing us uh into your agenda and um hats off to to her with her PSA. That was I I look
forward to seeing the other half of that. Um, as as you know, Oka Okchobee Boulevard has historically generated a ton of traffic complaints and in efforts to prevent crashes and improve roadway safe safety by deterring the dangerous
behaviors that we see every day with the distracted driving, DUI, speeding, and um, you guys see it out here a lot with the, you know, driving around the shoulders. Um, in efforts to combat that, our district will periodically uh
hold a traffic initiative and the most recent one was conducted on August 13th through September 13th. Uh, and it focused primarily on Lockxahhatchee Groves. Um, the initiative and it also went off of Okachobee Boulevard. I'm just using that as an example. The initiative included high visibility
enforcement, education campaigns, and data-driven strategies to improve the overall safety of the community. um reduce traffic related fatalities and injuries and also to it it actually helps us solve other crimes when traffic traffic stops will encounter uh subjects
that are um the focus of investigations where they have drugs or or what have you in their vehicles. So it does help us uh in the investigative areas as well and um we like to have a high presence in these areas. The results of the initiative show that the deputies uh did
a phenomenal job. They did 242 traffic stops. They gave 41 verbal warnings, 94 written warnings, and 44 citations. In addition, there were a total of uh during that 30-day period, there were eight traffic crashes reported. And um a
after the initiative, the traffic um infractions decreased by 53.31%. and the um overall or I'm sorry the overall traffic infractions decreased by 53 53% and traffic crashes decrease by
50%. So ongoing patrol efforts will continue and they really have been have proven to be instrumental in deterring people from uh the bad behavior that they're displaying on the roadways and it also helps these traffic initiatives also help to u maintain positive trends.
Um, generally speaking, the average person that gets stopped on the roadways, they learn just by that initial stop that, oh, hey, I need to pay attention. And that's really what our goal is is to get these people to think about their behavior while they're driving and especially in this community
with the horses. Um, that PA PSA is something that um definitely needs across the county because there's a lot of people traveling through your roadways without um any knowledge of what the laws are um for the horses. So, um I think that's incredible and um I
I'd love a copy of it, by the way. But, um but these these traffic initiatives are important and it and it does deter and it um it it helps to uh basically improve the safety on on the roadways. So, do you guys have any questions?
Do we have the red speed PSA? Can we cue that up and play that? Because talking about safety along Okchobee, do we have that? Can you cue it up from the website, Richard? on Facebook. Yeah, it's up on the website, right, Jeff? Okay, that'd be nice. Anybody have any
questions for Dr. Wber? We're getting that queued up. Good evening. Hi. Thanks for being here. Sure. Um, is there any move or focus to hate to use the word speed trap, but to set up spots because I I I travel D-
Road a lot. I live off a D- road, right? Travel collecting canal a lot. Um I had a guy I was going I was in my work vehicle and I was going like 25 miles an hour and slowing down for every speed bump and you know of course and his beat up Prius
came whipping around me and took off. You know what? So I mean is there some kind of focus going that way to a little more presence? I mean I I know it's good to have presence at you know up at Aldi and Publix etc. and on Okachobee, you know, cuz it's a higher traffic area,
but on these these through roads, you know, I mean, cuz I mean, I can tell you people blow that four-way stop all the time. I know we're not looking to write citations all the time. It's not the purpose, you know, but I mean just to kind of curtail cuz I mean I I I my
house bases collecting canal on off of six court and I can at night during the day. I mean it's amazing how many and there's a speed bump not too far from my from my house right on the other Oh, you can you hear everything in the truck bed come up and slam down and stuff like
that. So you know I mean just Yeah. So um you said on D road D and collecting. Yeah. So what I encourage you all to do every every council meeting that you have the deputy that is here is your deputy for Laxah Hatche. So Deputy Alves who's here right
now absolutely loves traffic. So I will I I will he's he's excellent at it and I will talk to him. If there is a problematic area I encourage you to speak with your deputies or simply email me and we will absolutely get more
directed patrols in. Um the deputies are everywhere, but um we can certainly focus on some of the more problematic areas, but you they're they are always available to all of you to to speak with. So physicians, anybody else, did you have something? I saw you looking for Lisa.
I'm just trying to figure out that icon the icons with the car. Did you want to ask? What are these symbols with your phone? What does this mean? There's numbers. You know, you got five or 2.8. Uh, tell me what it's for. Traffic.
Oh, those are those those are off of uh the system that the deputies use every day. They're markers that indicate um how many traffic stops were done in that location. That's what you're looking at. I don't have Some of them have numbers and some just have a car, a single car.
Yeah. Look, may I take a peek because I can't top my head. I can't remember like Yeah. So, so the ones with the numbers is the But there were three traffic stops in that same
one car was just a single incident. So there is no number one. Go ahead. There is no number one. The car is number one. The car the car is a single stop, right? Okay. Go ahead, Mar. Yeah. Um, of those stops that you made
and tickets were written, um, what amount of, uh, money came to the town of Lachi Groves? The actual dollar I cannot comment on because I I I don't know. Um, but every traffic stop that generates a ticket in
Locks Hatche is coded for Lockahhatche. that goes through the clerk's office and the clerk is responsible for for um I understand is uh whatever is in the town they will issue that because we've historically had issues
with them just writing locks sahache and it doesn't come to our town. We do. We do. I actually even spoke to Deputy Alves on my way in and and it is they are using your town code. Um if there is any that we will absolutely I will
remind the deputies tomorrow. Um but there are they've all been here a long time. They say they're really familiar with it. It's not very often that we have somebody that would fill in from outside of Watachi Gross. So they're all very well verssed in it. Um that should not be happening. But all of those funds
are filled with beautiful plas. They should know by now. It's a tender subject. Anybody else? It's written in town, so the funds should come to the top. Yeah. Anybody else? They're definitely doing my job. My mother 79year-old mother got a she didn't get a ticket. She got a warning
on Cherry Boulevard a couple weeks ago. And I said, "Hey, they're doing their job. She hasn't been pulled over in like 40 years." So, I'm like, "You're really doing a good job." [Laughter] Okay, you ready, Val? You want to show
All right. We did another PSA a couple weeks ago for the red speed program that's starting. No, you can sit down. Well, I mean, there may be some red speed questions. We'll call you back. [Music] My name is Anita Kaine and I'm the mayor
of the town of Black Sah. I come to you today to speak about a new program the town is implementing to curb speeding and keep our children safe. This program is called the school zone speed enforcement program. Enacted into
Florida law in 2023. This program serves to curb speeding at the critical moments of the day when our children are walking to and from school. Studies show that an average five children are struck and killed by a motor every week in the US and thousands more are injured. In
partnership with Redspeed, radar speed detection equipment has been installed on Okachobee Boulevard in the school zone of Lockxahi Groves Elementary School. A camera will capture a video clip of any vehicle traveling 11 mph over the posted speed limit and transmit
it to certified deputies with the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office to verify the speed of the vehicle captured. Once independently verified, the information is sent to Redspeed and the notice of violation is mailed to the registered owner. The registered owner will receive
a $100 civil violation. This civil violation does not act points to the offender's license and should not affect their insurance. The revenue from these violations is regulated by state statute and used to offset the school guard crossing program as well as other public
safety initiatives. Signs have been placed on Oachchobee Boulevard as well as 162nd Drive North advising drivers of the posted speed limit. The school zone speed limit as well as a warning indicating the school zone at Laha Rose
Elementary School is photo enforced. The speed detection equipment will be active from 6:45 a.m. through 2:35 p.m. and only when school is in session. The goal is to make drivers more aware of the school zone and to encourage people to
drive safely through our town. We ask for your help by being aware of the posted speed limit and the speed limit in our school zone. Should you have any questions, you can call customer service at 8772045052 or go to the town website at
laxahigl.gov. Thank you for supporting the town efforts in keeping our children safe. I hope it's not that blurby all the time. Is that the thing? Okay. All right. Good. Glad glad to hear that. All right. So, we've been busy. Um
question. Sure. Um I had heard that the um system also would submit tickets If you were going faster than our posted speed limits any time of the day. Nope. Just during school.
Yeah. Just during the not when the not when it's 20 m hour limit. It's Oh, is it 15 schools? But it's all during the day. When the kids are in school, it's all day. Okay. But the speed limit is 30. So if you go 41 over, then you get a ticket.
Yeah. No, I I had heard somewhere that after the school time if you're over our 30 m per hour that you know if you were doing 41 you would get a ticket. No. No. Okay. That's not
30 minutes before and 30 minutes after. And and the cameras actually go live tomorrow. We've been doing 30-day warning period. That is tonight at midnight. So tomorrow fly through there. Get yourself a complimentary ticket for the tunnel live group. I I sent earlier to
today um a link to the PSA, but I also gave you some information with regard to the numbers we have from the first month. On the first day or so, we had 500 speeders. In the full 30 days, the cumulative number is 1,500. So that
shows that it's working. 11 miles. That wasn't like just one model. No, heaters. It's 11. on the model 9. One of them was one vehicle was 50 and a 30 uh with a trail towing a trailer was a white Ford F250.
Does that qualify as reckless driving or it still gets the same $100? Yeah, it's 11 over. If you're 110 over violation, you might as well do 150 through there, right? If that's what you want to do. Yeah, that's fine.
Okay. All right. Thank you everyone. Thank you, Darla. Okay, we're on to the consent agenda. Lisa, you've got something you want to pull. I'd like to pull two and six, please. Okay. So, we'll put two and six
after eight. Eight, which open and go away. So, two eight, two, six, and then nine. This a little little number problem. All right. Go ahead. Is that it? Can I have a motion to Is there anybody else? No.
You want a motion to approve? I need a motion to approve with two and six pulled. Yeah. Motion to approve consent agenda. Moving two and six after eight. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. So, we are on to item number
seven. We have never I'm sorry. Did we need a motion? But we already tried to I don't I don't think he had a motion to approve the consent agenda as adopted agenda. But okay, let's do
we did we approve We approved the agenda. You approved the agenda, but I don't we just did the consent agenda. Sorry, we just did that already. What we missed with the changes. So I don't think we need to approve anything else, but please tell me if we do. I think the
clerk the clerk was under the impression that there was a motion to pull the items and that there was not a subsequent motion or incorporated into that motion the approval the agenda is altered so far motion to approve the agenda as altered.
Yes. Second the consent agenda. There's a motion. Motion to approve consent agenda moving items two and six until after 8. Second. All in favor? I.
Is there another motion? Is there another agenda that needs to be approved? Because I thought we already did a vote. Okay. All right. Just making sure. Okay. Item number seven. Karen, this must be you. Yes, it is. Okay. This is second reading for the tree mitigation trust fund. At the last
meeting I provided you a presentation. I'm happy to do another one but really the only difference from the first reading to the second reading was clarification on two items. On two of those items um provided they're underline. One was regarding the funding
for additional landscaping. We clarified that was only for publiclyowned property and the other was regarding uh the idea of new programs and that we had implic uh we put language in implementation of programs along the town's canal to address pollution and to stabilize the
canal. Otherwise, the language was as previously presented and staff would be recommending approval of the second reading which would then be adoption of the item. But we're here to answer any questions you may have since no desire I don't believe I've seen for a presentation. Cod, I'm just looking for number 10. The tree
giveaway that it's property owner in static grows to add that. Yeah. Land owners. Yeah, the land owners. Yeah. Oh, we're giving trees away to land owners. Yeah. Yeah. I It needs to specify because I got somebody from Miami coming up and there
you go. Yeah. So, little verbiage change. No problem. Verbage. Anybody else? Okay. Can I have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 2025-10 adding on number 13 the tree giveaway that is to land owners of Locket Rose.
Okay. Is it to land owners or residents? Land owners. Land owners only. Okay. All right. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Opposed? Passes five to zero. Thank you. on to number eight where I believe that they we want to open this hearing and then
continue it once again until the November 3rd meeting. We're still working on it. I have not had an opportunity to review the matter uh with former counsel. Uh he's on he has been on vacation. Um
and uh there is um modifications in addition to the language um on um on life, health and safety uh requiring a um unanimous uh consent of
the council. Um there was also an issue uh that is raised that we're exploring with respect to having uh leans um uh the the necessity of leans to be
cleared in some manner um prior to the approval of a land development permit on the property. So we will we'll come back last meeting. So we're just leaving it
open and continuing it till our next meeting. Yes. Are we continuing it to our informal meeting on the whatever? No. Till november November. Okay. So we're going to go ahead and have a motion to continue. Do I need a motion to continue the item or I just say it's to allow public comment tonight
on this? Um if someone is here to do we have any comment cards on it? No. Nope. Make a motion to continue to the What meeting is it? It is November 3rd. November 4th. Fourth. Fourth is a Tuesday.
Fourth is the Tuesday. Yes. Motion is to continue this in November 4th. I have a second. Second. All in favor? Okay. Back to number two. Uh number two was pulled by Lisa. This is Valerie. You
want to read the read what it is? Consideration of approval on resolution number 202576, a resolution of the town council of the lock town of Lockxa Hatchee Groves, Florida, directing the town staff to negotiate continuing contracts with those firms selected by the evaluation committee reviewing the
request for qualifications for general planning, development, engineering, and building services for presentation and approval to the town council at a future council meeting. authorizing the town manager and the town attorney to take such actions as are necessary to implement this resolution and providing for an effective date.
Okay. All right. I'd just like to open by saying I think this is brilliant to get these kind of like pre-approved and preset up so that because every one of these firms has a special talent or a special thing that we've discovered over the years of working with them that they are better at more and cheaper um and
maybe more expedient than others are. So, I think this is great to get these kind of pre-approved. So, thank you for all your hard work on doing that and thanks putting together a great committee. Um, Lisa, I mean, I think Marge has a question for you. Yeah. Um I um I want to say that I
thought that the uh the review by these uh people who are skilled in these trades or or whatever you call them um are more qualified than when I remember sitting on the first council and we
would have a pile of these RFPs and RFQ and the council was asked to please review them and score them and come act with your recommendation. I'm not qualified in all of these areas. So, God bless you for straightening out
that mess. Okay, Todd. Yeah, I'm concerned about um Ingenuity Group. I've heard nothing but bad things. I'm assuming all the council has heard that they have not been good and I'd like to remove them from one of these. Um, yeah, I I was under the impression
that they were going out anyway, so I'm surprised that they're on this list. Um, I know that many of you have dealt with Mr. Flechman over the years, and we had an opportunity five years ago to not renew his contract, but we're told we needed him for his institutional
knowledge. I have grave concerns that we are using multiple different service providers. Um, and I don't want to see staff cherrypicking um a service provider to get an outcome that they want. Uh, so that's a concern
of mine, but yes, Todd, I support your your concern with that one. So, um, I would want to make sure that I I believe these things have to come back before us at some in some way. What this is to this memo. What this is doing is um this resolution
authorizes us to enter into negotiations with these folks. When you do an RFQ, you can ask for pricing and all those kind of things. So, uh what we would do at this point in time with whoever um
you have selected is meet with them. uh they would give us their their pricing um and we would bring back contracts uh for you and then you could see um how much they would actually cost. Uh, I
think it's generally a good idea to enter into a contract with multiple providers because you never know if somebody's going to have a a conflict or um, as was mentioned, there may be uh, firms that are better at one particular
type of um, case than in another. And aren't aren't we dealing with several engineering firms already? We've got Keshavar's ingenuity. Keshavars does not do um the engineering review the of uh uh plans that come into
us. This is what these folks are going to do is when somebody has a project in reviews versus the town's reviews. The difference is is that Keshvarus does like the civil engineering do the
the town level stuff development engineering land owner stuff. So this would be reviewing building permits reviewing uh FDA's so only things that are reviewing site plans that come in those kind of things. Thank you. Um, and Todd, I think also,
uh, they suggested the canopy mapping also be removed from the list, but it's in the list, but it's in the memo that it that they didn't meet the qualifications as I don't believe it's in the resolution approval. Thank you.
Why Why do we have building services? I I understand the engineering firms, but we have we have a staff building official and we contract with a a building department subcontractor to do
inspections, etc. So, what's the purpose of the building services? Any technicians? We have a building official, but we don't have enough staff to do the inspections and the and the building official does the plan review. So, if he goes on vacation or in
available, we need to have a backup because, as you well know, building permits don't stop. No, absolutely. But we already have a contract with um Thank you. So, the idea of why you go out for bids is is generally to see is it a good cost. We're not we're not terminating
the hybrid contract. Okay. um we just approve that like not have the available staff or there's a spec like Jeff said there's a specific need we have that hybrid may not have somebody available then they can go to someone else and have them available
I believe when we did hybrid they were looking for additional building services so that we can get more inspection days as well correct because they could only give us a certain number of days and that's what I see this as and I I have faith in staff not to cherrypick what uh what the something for their own
I don't know benefit. I'm not sure how that could be. But um Okay. So, what do you need from us tonight? Yeah. Who do we exclude? Um do you need to uh give us a motion to approve? Well, I mean we let everybody bid and
then look at the bids before we start excluding people. Staff is already recommending excluding one of them. No, staff isn't. The committee is but that's okay. Um terminology. Yeah. Well, I mean there was a committee so Uh, so I'll make a I'll make a motion to
approve resolution 2025-76 removing two and seven. Um, second. Doing seven. Two and seven. No, I'm I'm looking down here at the in the page nine. It's on page six.
Oh, page nine. And the thing we need to have more information on removing one that uh was scored one by the committee. The the the resolution is the operative
document. Um and that's on page nine of your overall uh agenda and there are six firms listed there. Yes. Section page nine section two. Correct. Correct. Thank you. So we're removing number six from that from that list.
Amend my motion to make it number six group second to be removed based on what though? Because they've been bad performers. Yeah, but it's it's an opinion or do we have um proof?
I've heard a lot I've heard plenty of plenty of bad things. Sir, any public input? Do I have any public comments on this? Sure. You're public.
Good evening. Mayor, vice mayor. It's not all you. So, there it is. Now it is. Can you hear me? We can hear you. By the micro. It's not. No, it's not. It's not coming across. Standby or something.
Oh, yeah. It is. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Um, mayor, vice mayor, council members, my name is Lisa Trophy. I am the vice president of Ingenuity Group. Um,
we have spent several years working with all of you and we've done a lot of things together as a team to create new codes um to to go into areas that have not
been looked at before. Has it been easy? It hasn't. But I can tell you I can definitely tell you that as the vice president of ingenuity group the things that we have done were on your behalf.
Now sometimes making decisions is not easy and sometimes applicants are not happy and sometimes we're not perfect.
Lots of times we're not perfect when you do things on behalf of a town and you're passionate about what you do because that's what we do. Tara and I are both licensed professional engineers in the state of Florida. We take our
responsibility seriously and so sometimes people get angry. Have we been expeditious all the time? Probably not. We're not perfect, but we're here because we love Lockxahhatchee Groves.
We've worked with staff through the years. I think we've we've come pretty far um since the beginning of when we first started here with a code that remember some of you may remember that we changed
together all of us. So, I would just appreciate us working with staff, working through the contract. There are only two firms that have been
chosen to do the engineering review and Ingenuity is one of them. So, I just respectfully request that we work with staff. And if you continue to feel that way, then um
then you have an opportunity to use the other engineering firm. But but we are familiar with the codes and we've been doing our best to work with the residents. So if you could please just give us that
opportunity to continue to work with staff. staff is the ones that that um that reviewed our application and we didn't do very we did pretty well
like Marge said. So just I would just respectfully request that you reconsider your motion. Thank you. Anybody else? Very any other public comments? No. Did you want to change your motion or
you leaving it? in Lisa. Okay. Okay. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? I oppose. Opposed. Okay. Passes three to two. All right. On to
number six. No, not Oh, yeah. Right. Thanks, Lisa. Wait, didn't we just do eight? Six. Okay, on to number six. Yeah. Uh just a few questions. Um and Valerie, you're
probably the best to answer this. Uh who determines the documents that are being um digitized? Does this include the water district and all that good stuff? Yes. So, all of the documents that I don't know if you've had a chance to see
down in public works, those will be digitized along with the ones that are here and the ones that we have at our off-site storage. They're infamous. And just an aside, we started digitizing that stuff down in public works back when I was chair of the water cultural district which was
what like eight years ago. We actually hired a temp who came in and we started hauling boxes out of the back and all of that is all is digitized in on Lynette's hard drive which has been saved. So, so like this project has been going on for a
long long long time, but right like not anywhere near completed and a lot of this stuff got water damaged out in that building. Yes. Um and then what will happen with the original documents once everything's digitized? So there's a general schedule that we have
to follow per um sort of state. Um, so most of the time once we convert that file, you know, as long as it meets the requirements of certain DPIs and all of that, then we can go ahead and um, shred those files. Now, there's certain files that just the clerk and me will keep um,
as originals such as like resolutions and ordinances and minutes and things of that nature. Um, but the ones that we basically that becomes our record copy is the scan version. um then the hard copy will be disposed of.
And then the the ongoing um I guess uh subscription that is addressed in here is that because they maintain these on their servers. What happens to those? Okay, so we have to get the licensing
from Laser Fish. That's the software. Okay, we're getting the software through Advanced Data Solutions, which um he's here in the audience if you have any questions for him. What his company will do is that since they've worked with other municipalities, they can come in and set up all of our templates for all
of our different records because every record has a different item number um which then that has a different archival value. So when we set up these templates five years from now when I run a report that says hey you know it's been five
years you know what can be you know destroyed in essence it'll run a report that I can submit to the state um and so their company do you want to add anything to it their company has been very familiar with doing this with um several municipalities so initially
we're hoping that um we can get this done in a year that's my goal I know I'm being very aggressive but you guys know that that's my personal ity. Um, but yeah, the the the annual maintenance will be or the fee is is for the laser fus program, which is cloud-based, by the way.
And what's happening with our more recent electronic documents? This is separate from that, correct? Or do our our ongoing documents go into this system? They will. So, what we'll end up doing is migrating the files over. Um, so
behind the scenes, we've been preparing for this project to commence and so we've already started scanning a lot of our stuff in house. Um, and also so that way I don't have to pay him to do it. Um, but on top of that is that we're going through and we're cleaning our digital files. Um, I don't know if
you've had a chance to go through town docs, but I mean we have a gazillion of files that really need to kind of be a little bit more structured um in their in their filing process. So we've been working on that behind the scenes. And then so the cost of doing this, there's going to be an annual cost associated
with this that's separate from this initial investment of getting all these older documents sort of off the table literally. Um, so do we have an idea of what these ongoing fees? So the an the l
sure um he'll address the licensing um in terms of what's reoccurring. Um that'll kind of be more administratively. Um I think down the line we might need to have a temp to just come in maybe volunteer something of that nature to come in and scan our documents in. Um if you as you've
noticed I have been trying to move more into an electronic um system. So that's why I've you know implemented docuign so that way that doesn't have to be scanned in. And so as we start moving forward and getting these things in place, I don't see that being a a big cost. But
until we get to that point, I I I'm not really sure at this point. And and I think part of my concern with this is this is only good through June because it's dependent on the Fort Lauderdale contract being renewed for piggybacking purposes. So that's kind of
why why I'm kind of digging in on this. So maybe this gentleman can clarify. Sure. I I think this one's only uh doesn't this run out in April is my recollection? April. April. And um but there is a provision
in the Fort Lauderdale contract where they can renew. Um we set we set this resolution up that if they renewed, we would automatically renew. Um if they don't renew, that's that's more my concern. And I I mean, I get that if
they renew, we automatically slide in under that umbrella, but what if they don't renew and we're in the middle of this process? If that was the case, if it did not renew with the Fort Lauderdale, we have other contracts that you're all able to
piggy back off of. They were also all competitive competitively bid. So, we have a contract with the city of uh Tamarak. We also have a contract with the city of Hollywood for the same services um of the scanning of the files. Um back to your question as to
the subscription base once we're done with the back file conversion uh you will and for the laser fee subscription uh which would be annually. We do offer the professional services that go along with that. So, anything outside of your
LSAP, which do the maintenance of the software, uh, giving you fixes and bugs and and updates to that. Um, again, you're more than welcome to have somebody laser fold certified. As a laser piece customer, you can have
people from within the town. They offer training online. You can have certificates for those individuals. you escalate their abilities into maintaining the software by yourself. As far as the backups of the software, um
they are on the Amazon clouds throughout the country. So there is redundancy upon redundancy of your files. So that again anything happens here within four walls. There are mobile apps you can access
your records from. Um again building the templates and and the records management piece as as Valerie alluded to. Um we would take your um retention schedules and apply that to your particular
document types and then at the end of them their life Valerie or whomever will get a notification that these records have met their retention and then they can be destroyed. As far as the records that we scan and you ask what happens to
them at the end, we can either return those records to you or we can have them destroyed. According to the state statute is we're really not destroying anything because once we scan the record, the record becomes the original
paper becomes the duplicate and it is obsolete. That I get it. Uh so in the subscription going back to obviously there's an annual cost is that based on gigabytes trilobytes or just number of the
documents how is that like par given you a municipality site license for I believe for under 10,000 residents that's how laser okay priced it right now I believe it's
somewhere around $3,200 um for gear. Okay. All right. That's that's great info. Which those prices are actually going up at the end of the month. So, we are catching it right in the nick of time if it gets approved tonight. Great. Yes. I thank you. I assume this is all going to be OCR
when you start scanning documents. Yes. Yes. Once it goes into laser fe I'm going to tell you right up front building plan do not because of the way the text and the data is running across across the page
and will these documents be available to the general public without having to go through you we will have a public access portal um but we will have to screen which documents are available so naturally minutes resolutions ordinances um you
know when it comes to um you know, property files that I'm not keen to, you know, make public because you don't know if some of those folks are law enforcement and so you need to be mindful of you know, exemptions and confidentiality and things of that
nature. Um but that is something that we can definitely discuss down the road. That was my next question. So let's say there's a document that that there's an exemption from um from public view on it. Is it redacted right there when it's scanned in or how does it happen later
when you give it out? When does that happen? I do all the redactions. So, when I receive a public records request, I always have the documents in their original form and I go through and I do all the uh redactions and site the exemptions. Just trying to figure out how we can make the most available documents
publicly available and still meet that requirement. Is there a way to do that? There is a public forum that again c files out on a link on your on your but I wouldn't want every file as long as it as long as it's redacted properly.
I would want every file that way it takes it off of you. That's the idea. Yeah. I think um to have to go through how many pieces of files um up front to to be sure and redact them up front will be a huge undertaking. I mean if it's OCR you should be able to
just put in the names. I doubt is there 15 I mean but it's not just that you have to think about our financials right so people don't think about sometimes a receipt a receipt can have um a credit card number or sometimes there's bank account numbers that you have to be mindful to redact like when you guys
qualify for office and you have your checks and on your checks you have your bank account numbers. I hear where you're coming from but it's not as easy um as you think. No, I realize it's not going to be easy. I'm just trying to make I'm just trying to figure out what's the easiest is if
that stuff right off the bat put it out there is trying to eliminate work from you later on. I appreciate that. Yeah. Automation, right? Yes. And Jeeoff, it is April. April took me this is up. April 28 26.
Yeah. Okay. So I think did you I'm so sorry moners in the way. So there's no way to because we're piggybacking there's no way for us to say we we think this is going to take a year to say that we're going to do this
for a year because we're piggybacking on Fort Lau's contract. We can't you understand what I realize we're piggybacking. So it's the same contract whatever but that it's up in April to Lisa's point. It's up in April. you know, they don't whatever, then we're going to be in a renegotiation
situation. There's no way that we can do this to where it it's good till this time next year. Well, you said like tamar, right? I mean, I assume the pricing is higher. That's why we chose this one. Almost the same.
The only difference between the tamarak the tamarak pricing is it has a a lower unit price, but then there's a preparation per box in it. I've done the math on it and they almost become identical. Yeah.
So, the very very strong likelihood is that Fort Lauderdale were able to knew that. So, the answer to my question is no. Right. Okay. That thing that that guys, no offense, sir. And I I get no not that's not my question. My question was could we just take our contract and tax
some time onto it so in case that didn't happen? And what I'm being told is no because we're piggybacking on the contract. I was looking for clarification on the process. I wasn't Yeah, I wasn't questioning the the amount or whatever. I was just I should piggy back to
Yeah, I'm good. Excuse me. The whispering going on over here. Is there something to add? Um what Francine is what the town manager is suggesting is that um rather than doing the contract as a
competitively bid contract, you could determine that you were going to enter into the contract for a longer period of time in the best interest of the the town and that would require a 4 to one uh or at least four of you to vote in favor of it. Um this was this was
presented to to you based on um the uh piggyback or the utilization of the other contract. If you're going to utilize the other contract exclusively um and rely on it, you have to adhere to the time frames. Now, one of the things
that you have to remember is you could always modify this if at a later date if there was not a a renewal because one of the advantages that you're going to have if as anticipated
there is a renewal um then you've extended the the contract until April of 27. So, you know, you're you're playing around with with time frames. I get that. But my thing is to Lisa's
point, if for whatever reason, Fort Lauderdale says, "No, we're not going back here. We're doing something different. We're piggybacked on their contract. So, our contract ends. So, now we got to go to this fella and say this gentleman, sorry, and say, "Hey, we need to, you know, get some more time." Why
can't we just say Valerie's guesstimating, she's aggressively saying a year, right? Why can't we say we just want to do this for a year? That was my question. You just I know that's what I'm saying. That's what if you're going to do it as a best if you're going to do it as a best interest contract, you can. We would have to get
them to accept that. They wouldn't be obligated, but he's indicated that he would do that. I mean, can we make a motion to do that? Yes, you can make a motion. We'll adjust the resolution accordingly it with the budgeting year as well closer so that
Let me ask a question. Do we want to make this motion to try to to do it for two years? Because even though she's saying a year to put it in, if it's let's lock in that price if we're willing to do that. Let's do it for two years. Two are
hold on. Are we obligated to You're not obligated to supply them with any certain amount of of documents. There is not a contract. This is for this is just a unit price. That's what I thought. Right. So, and we will have to adjust the contract
accordingly. So, since aggressively know hurricanes and things happen. So, I think two years is I think let's lock it in at two years. Best interest contract for two years. Typically, I hate those contracts, but in this circumstance, it makes sense. It does make sense. So, so I have to amend Well, I have to
put some verbiage in here, right? So, I make a motion to approve resolution number 2025-80 for the as a best interest contract for two years from today's date and authorize the town manager and the
town attorney to modify the documents to reflect those changes because it's a different contract form. No long we're no longer piggybacking what he said. Okay, I have a motion. Can I have a second? Second. All in favor? I opposed. We got got five now. Portal, Jeff. Look
it up. All right. A first. All right, Valerie, get to work. And for working with us. Thank you. Yes. Thank you, sir. Okay. Not the first. On to item nine, approval of a local bill regarding the fireworks
legislation. Mr. Curts. Um, there's a draft of the local bill that I think was supplied to you um tonight. It is relatively simple local bill. It mirrors the local bill that was adopted in Wellington for their
equestrian preserve area. what we um have suggested uh and that was primarily at um the manager and uh Mary McNicholas's
suggestion is that instead of doing it throughout the entire town um which is what we had discussed I think at the last meeting that it be uh within the AR zoning district. This is because we believe that what got Wellington's pass
was that it was in a specific district as opposed to townwide. Correct. Is that my understand that that is and and also when we're making the arguments that we are just like the um equestrian preserve area. We're very similar to the equestrian preserve area.
When you look at our AR zoning district, that is a very true statement. if you take the entirety of the town, there are those few pockets that are very different than the the EPA. So, I think it's a not just a political argument, I
think it's a substantive argument that makes um some sense and we would present uh this along with the the packet um to the uh local delegation office on October 10th. I think we have
and Gwig is going to be um well I think it's uh I think Meg is going to be the initial sponsor and once it's filed we were hoping to have Ann as the co-sponsor. Okay,
that's the technically correct way to do it as I've been told. I believe that we might have Sam Peltier on the call still. Um hey, hey madam manager. Yes, I'm here. Um Sam is with the Pitman Law Firm. If
anybody has any questions with regard to the filing of the local bill or the presentation or how we would be handled with regard to our sponsors, he's here to answer those questions. And and Madame Manager, if I may, I just want to add that our firm has been
talking with Representative Weinberger today and she has expressed both a willingness and interest in sponsoring this local bill um once she sees the form. So, so we'll be getting with you, Madam Manager, to um to look over those forms and make sure we're all set for Friday's deadline.
Okay. Thank you very much. Anita, I have one quick question. Uh I Sam, this is council member Al Remy. Uh I think we also discussed uh basically leveraging the tree canopy and the fact that we have the forestry department
here as well. So, it's not just an equestrian angle, though that's a very important one. So, thank you. Got it. Understood. Okay. And while we have Sam on here, if you guys will all indulge me. I was s I was saving this for my comments, but I'd like to do it while he's here since Sam,
if you'll indulge me, too. Um, so I I've been doing a lot of research on 180. Everybody knows that SP1A is real threat to home rule. It's it's something that's uh showing up as a real problem. Um, I've been lobbying pretty strongly against it, Sam, as you'll remember when
I was up in Tallahassee with you guys last year. Um, it went through anyhow, as you're aware, I wrote uh letters both to uh Representative Crusoe and to Governor Dantis asking them if they had to let it go through. Could they even like adjust it to have towns with rural
designation maybe have some kind of exemption? because I felt like they would come up as ones that were most egregiously affected by the limitations of home rule that 180 puts into place. Um, okay. So, subsequently, I've just found out that on September 29th,
Weiss Ceroda uh has initiated a lawsuit which I have right here if anybody wants to read it. Light reading. I have a copy for everybody. So, I'm motion to file and receive. Motion to file and receive. Second. All right. I've seen it.
Okay. Well, if you don't want a copy, that's fine. Made one for everybody. Um Okay. So, Oh, all in favor? Okay. All right. Um so, the basis of this lawsuit is uh six
six counts. Um it's a sixcount challenge as I understand it. One count is basically that it's unconstitutional. Second count is basically title provisions. The third count is basically too broad and I'm really summarizing this everybody. Um uh the uh next count
is that it puts unfunded mandates on towns on municipalities. The next one is that it conflicts with the community planning act which is chapter 163 and the six count is it's a violation of the home rule power. So it's being
challenged on six counts. Um, the cost of joining the lawsuit is $10,000. Every time there is an appeal, you're asked to pony up another $5,000.
Um, and we obviously don't know how how many times that might happen as of this moment, but there are more towns and and counties joining on a daily basis, but as of this moment, there are 25 local governments and three counties. is the counties are Orange Manatee and
Elatchua. So, as I indicated in my letter to the governor and to representatives, it certainly is the rural communities that are affected most significantly by this. Um, as far as Palm Beach County at last that
I knew, the three municipalities, actually there are four now because the village of North Palm Beach joined today. Jupiter, Delray, Palm Beach, and the village of North Palm Beach are the four in Palm Beach County who have joined the lawsuit. Um so what I'd like us to consider
whether we want to join the lawsuit now what's the cons? Well the money um is significant. Um the next thing is there is a danger of jeopardizing funding because let's just remember nothing
happens in Tallahassee in a vacuum. Um, and when you buck against the big boys, sometimes that may come back and and bite you. Um, in the past, I know we voted like when there was the form six challenge. I know that in the past the
council voted not to join in the lawsuit and basically to let the municipalities with more funding take up the torch for us and take up the lawsuit. So, um, Sam, do you have anything else to add that we should consider?
on this issue before we make a decision about whether we should join the lawsuit or not. No, mayor. I would just echo your comments about, you know, not anything happening in a vacuum in Tallahassee. Um, in addition to this lawsuit, I know there are a few other localities
exploring um similar measures, but but I think you pretty much summarize where where we're at with it. Okay. So, Mr. Mr. Curts, is this something that we want to put on the agenda for next time and decide whether we want to join the lawsuit? I mean, obviously, there's no like whatever.
Give each of us time to come in and talk to you and do a little more investigating about it before we before we That that would be fine. I don't think you need to make a decision to wasn't suggesting that. I was just putting it on the table and and uh we can we can get more
information. um the lawsuit. I've taken a quick look at it. Uh the primary uh thing that they're looking at is that the title and the act itself did not cover one subject. Um and that and that
is a provision of uh the Florida Constitution. Um so they point out that it is overly broad. Whether that'll be a successful argument or not, um, who knows? It uh it's well drafted. Um, and
it is a good argument and it could be um something that overturns the entire act. Now, if the entire act is over overturned, if if this lawsuit's successful, even if we didn't participate in it, that was my question.
We would be a beneficiary of the impact. We would reap the benefit just like the fixed benefit. They would they would not say only participating um entities would benefit from the invalidation of the law. If it's
invalidated, it's invalidated for everybody. Okay. Anybody else have any questions about this, Lisa? Yeah. Uh we're 14 months into this 24 month law. Basically, there's only 10 months left or so.
The governor just reestablished a state of emergency. It's been extended. to past 2026. Yeah, I thought it was till Octo October of 27 is my recollection of uh what current version would be.
Sam, didn't Ra say something today to me about it uh being extended because the governor's declared another state of emergency. I believe that's correct. I need to check the dates again, but but 27 may sounds right without having in front of me. I wish
there was this much appetite for live local, but so okay. Thanks. Okay. So, you'll get all that. Thank you, Sam, for your time. We certainly appreciate it. Do you have a question for him, too, Todd? Yeah. Can Can we at least get a consensus here tonight so he's not wasting his time? You know, I'm willing
to move forward with the 10. I can tell you that to join it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not tonight, but I'm saying if we have a consensus, so at least he knows he's not wasting his time. I bringing it back to us. I I want more information. I'm okay with exploring more info.
Yeah, I'm okay with exploring more info. Yep. Okay. Sam, would you also help us get some more info and anything relative to, you know, what the pulse is in Tallahassee on this? Absolutely. We'll do. Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much, Sam. Okay. Thank you all. Sam, the fireworks item. Well, sorry. I wanted wanted to take advantage of having him here. I was like, "Oh, wait." He leaves us. Okay. So, what do we need to do with the fireworks legislation
tonight, Jeff? Um motion to approve um the um act as drafted and uh direction to move forward and file the local bill with the uh local delegation office.
I'll make that motion. Well, I Le I'll second it. Okay. All in favor? I I passes five to zero. Okay. Item number 10, report on the Oakland settlement. Mr. Kurtz.
Um there is a series of uh well there was a huge settlement with respect to um Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family. Um it totaled about 7 4 uh billion dollar.
Um of that amount, the state of Florida, I think, is going to get about $450 million. Um the purpose of the the monies will be to um aid in
opioid um and narcotic uh education. um and also to supply a whole bunch of Narcane to um fire departments and police departments and things of that nature.
Um so those monies will hopefully make uh survivability of the problem with these drugs uh more likely and hopefully the education components will convince people uh not
to to utilize uh these drugs. So there was a Purdue pharma settlement that we had to enter into by September 30th. Because we are a municipality, we are eligible to parti
participate in that uh settlement. Um I did execute the the documents on behalf of uh the town. uh the likelihood that we will get much of any money um is
uh very very little because we don't have our um own police force. We don't have our own fire department. Um, as I understand uh the that settlement and the other
settlement that has to be entered into um by tomorrow is that we are in uh a participating county um and the more folks that are represented
in it in some fashion um by us representing our community, our small population adds to the benefit of the the amount of money that's going to go to to Palm Beach County by obviously an
incremental uh amount um because we're a very small part from a population standpoint, but everybody's participation helps because when they divide up the money, it's all sort of based on population and folks that participated. If we did not enter into
the settlement, um we would be assured of getting nothing and not benefiting um uh the uh the county and the rest of the residents um and our community in in any way because uh we're not in a position
to individually as a municipality sue um these companies. They're just too large and the litigation would be too complex. Um, so this is our way of doing a little bit to help out the general community. I
don't think that there is going to be uh much if any money that ever trickles down to to us. If it does, it would be have a very limited purpose that we could use it for. It would not be for general funds. Nonetheless, I recommend uh that we enter into the settlement.
the settlement that um has tomorrow as its deadline. And there are a series of of these, but uh the one that's out there um involves
um I think it six or seven smaller uh smaller companies. The amounts that they're talking about are smaller, but it's set up in much the the same way. Um and
we our participation aids in the uh incentive um program. For example, with one of these companies, the total amount of the settlement is $7.5 million. So that's not going to trickle down very much to the state of Florida or to us.
Um but it is going to add and our participation adds in um the bonus um compensation which could bring the this particular settlement uh to $11 million. And as I said there's about seven or
eight of these. So it's a couple it's a hundred and some odd million um that would be coming by virtue of this one. So, what I would like to to have is a motion uh to allow me to um execute
these documents and settle on behalf of the town. Um and um there's there may be others that that come up. Once again, it's a class action and for you individually, it's
akin to the AT&T settlement where you might get $2.37. check out you know um but but but there is some marginal benefit in us um participating
as I understand it and each one of the settlement documents are like hundreds of pages so I have uh gone through um examples of them I have not reviewed uh all seven of these but they are all uh
likewise and it is very difficult ult to figure out what the exact number would be that would come to Palm Beach County or um certainly to the town. Okay. So, I'm I'm going to let Paul ask you his question in just one second, but
I just have a little procedural thing. I realize I've been kind of rolling here because our public commenters are not here tonight, so I haven't been asking if there's public comment on items. So, will you just tell me if if there is a public comment on items? Kind of stop me. Okay. Go ahead, Paul. It's funny. I was just thinking to
myself that this very dull agenda because nobody showed up just No, no, I'm just saying nobody showed up. Nobody showed up to talk to us. Um, no, listen. I just I I was, you know, when I was reviewing the agenda, whatever. I I think, you know, even even if we got
$500 or we got, you know, $5. Yeah. Well, I mean, we could, you know, educational line item for this kind of, you know, for I I don't see the the problem in participating in this because if if we can even if it's, you know, we
get enough money we we can buy, you know, Narcan or you what whatever the case may be that we could, you know, we could support or whatever. So, I'm Would you like to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve Jeff's further progress or what am I making a motion for? Author authorize me to enter
into these settlements on behalf of town. Author authorized judge move forward on the settlement. Okay. All in favor? Oppos? Passes five to zero. Okay. Item number 11, review of the civic plus master agreement.
Yeah, the the civic plus uh master agreement and I uh handed out some information uh today on it. Basically, uh there was an opportunity um that the town clerk uh was investigating
um and it involved the the purchase of products from Civic Plus. Um the the two immediate products were for a newsletter um and a um social media media archiving
um system or process. Um the total cost of those two packaged materials was $6,837. Um uh and uh the town clerk has investigated and compared it to other
products and uh I think it was the the lower prices as compared to Granicus and I'll have her get into to that. Um and generally that would be something that the town manager would be able to to authorize.
Um Civic Plus has a base agreement with us. The original agreement was entered into in 2019 and these two products are part of the Civic Plus uh family. So Civic Plus right now we have entered
into agreements with them where um they provide our website and website hosting um and that cost annual cost is about $11,000 a year. Um they also uh we use their civic ready um system and that's
about $4, uh $600. Um the agenda um and meeting management uh product um is from Civic Plus that produces these agendas for the council and for the committees. Um, and then also when you go on
Municode, um, that's not really Municode, that's a Civic Plus product. Um, and that totals about $3,000. So, right now, our annual subscription cost for these items is about $23,000. Once
again, this is that's within the $25,000 of the town manager um, uh, purchasing authority. When this came up, the question was, well, can uh it be authorized since it's a different
uh subject matter, different project. Um, and ordinarily I would probably uh be amanable to to that situation, but when I looked into it, everything is based on this original master agreement.
And then there are um these s so um that they uh enter into. So what we're bringing this uh forward to tonight is um to authorize
uh the town manager to enter into the contract um for the new products at a price of about $6,300. Once again, this one is a partial year deal and this one goes to to June. Um
the annualized cost is a little over $8,000. Um and throughout the year we've got those other four items um that'll come up for renewal. um our suggestion and the resolution
that I've prepared uh authorizes uh the town manager to enter into those and and renew those subscriptions so we have a continuity for this fiscal year um on these products. And we're doing it on a
once again a best interest basis um because um one of the primary reasons um not the exclusive reason the price was was right but uh one of the primary reasons um
that the clerk would like to enter into these agreements because it's within that same operating family and um she's more more comfortable that any glitches when they're talking to each other all these various programs and you know I'm not very literate on these things. So any technical
questions you're going to direct to to Valerie. Um uh the concept would be to authorize the manager to enter into not just this new purchase but um renew the subscriptions when they come due. Um and
the total amount um that could be spent on Civic Plus um products without further authorization from the council be $35,000. So that's what we're asking for today.
Um uh and it's the $6,000 on the on the products that really has a deadline once again. Um Valerie got the it was originally a 9:30 deadline. Um and I think she's got an extended for a week just so we can get the bundle pricing
because I like to save a dollar or two. Paul, I think your light was first and then Lisa, go ahead. You mentioned something about social media carousel or something like that. I thought that's social media archiving. Oh, archiving. Okay. So, we're not we're not moving into doing our own social media posts and getting away from those
people. Oh, no. We we we still we manage the Facebook account where we don't comment back, but we do manage it. Oh, so so we're doing that in house and we're not I know a while back we used to pay for that. Yes, we do do that in house. What
archive social is is the back end of social media and YouTube. So per state law, we have to archive basically all of those posts, those comments and all of those things. So if tomorrow YouTube were to go down or our account was to,
you know, magically disappear, we don't really have a way of archiving those videos through archive social, we'll be able to do that. So you can provide public record and things of that nature. Correct. Okay. And then did you have questions about civic send? No,
that's for the newsletter. So we um have heard you know the council state that you know you want more communication and more transparency. So one of our kind of next year's campaign is to go ahead and you know put out more content
to the residents via a newsletter via newsletter information post digital letter snail mail or digital unless you want to give me a budget to send out hard copies that's fine too. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. 33
cents of Okay. You know, I just stick it in there if I can. Okay, Lisa, you were next. So, I I see that this is a bundled um product and you just stated the newsletter wasn't going to be started
obviously right away. Um, is there a way to get a price because this is this alone is a 29% increase and then you're looking at a 50 over an 50% increase annually for the cost of this. The I meant that the newsletter will be
distributed over the course of this year. So, I actually already had a meeting last Friday just assuming that you guys would um like this project and approve it. So, I already started meeting with the staff to schedule out our content for the next year. Okay. So, I plan on starting it right away as soon as
So, what's in the budget for the Civic Plus for what we just approved? 23 something, right? So, well, that's what the annual cost was, but they were anticipating a 10 5 to 10% increase. So, I wonder what we budgeted for Civic Plus.
So, how much Can I have Todd? Is that your last question? Can I let Todd ask his question? Will they find out the answer to that question to you? Or did you have other questions? Uh, I think that covers it. Okay. So, Todd, ask your question while Jeff the answer to Lisa's question. Well, I'm kind of going with what Lisa's
I think where she's going at this. Um, as much as I like the idea of a newsletter, we're supposed to be trying to cut costs, right? So, you know, and and then the social media archiving. So, basically, because we have a Facebook account, we're required by law to archive it. So, we have to do this. So, if we don't do this, we have to get rid
of the the Facebook account, right? That's what it comes down to. That would be the answer. All all social media is in. Yes. Not YouTube. The YouTube streaming. That's that's already archived. There's no comments on there. So that's already archived, right? That I would have to double check.
YouTube. That that would make that would because that is important. I don't want to see that gone. And if we have to have that for, you know, if we have to pay the $6,800 for the YouTube thing, then I guess it's worth it. But I don't want to do $6,800 just so we have a single Facebook group, you know, Facebook account. I I don't think
it's worth that cost since we're so yeah, we kind of need to or at least I would need to know if we have to have it for you too. Okay. Unfortunately, you weren't here earlier to meet with you to find out.
You have some numbers for us, Jeff? I am just getting into Blackbod and I'm hoping that the what that the accounts are the rabbit hole. Yeah. And we were just provided this
information, so it's not like we've been able to dig in. Yeah. And I apologize for that, but we didn't really get the the information came up. um uh in the middle of last week and some
of it didn't get to me until Friday or so. Okay. With the I get what you're saying about the numbers and everything. I really do. And trying to save money, but um just playing devil's advocate here a little bit. There's a whole lot of negative information going out on social
media and if we can do anything to um debunk a lot of that and to put more positive messages out then perhaps it is worth the investment. So I mean I'm I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Okay. Um and I think a newsletter with
positive ideas. I' I've spoken with some other mayors about how they um keep a more positive like Mayor Kyle who I speak about often who I I love. He's so strong and such a great man. Um and he said that their quarterly newsletter he
thinks does more towards keeping their town in a more positive frame of mind. And it's a rural community just like ours. Um so I I don't know. got to decide whether that's worth $6,800. Valerie, are you going to be able to get
an answer on the YouTube? So, with regards to the YouTube, um the options that we have are to either a do a manual downloading with a VC media player, um a uh download a dedicated download software, which is the one that
we're recommending, or web scraping, which is way too advanced. We don't have the staff to do that. So, now I'm looking at a VC media player to see how much that would cost. Um, if you guys So, it's not archived by YouTube. So, we do need to keep it, right? So,
if we want to keep the videos, yes, we have to find a means to go ahead and be able to download them. This is only if YouTube loses our videos, which I think Earthlink was the one we had before and they all apparently disappeared and I've never heard the status on how many of those were
recovered. But we're this is in addition to this is to cover CYA, right? In case YouTube goes down is this is not required and and Facebook. Yeah. Right. So it's already archived well on YouTube, right? You'd have to lose
your whole YouTube channel, which is that's happened to us. Well, and not only that, but I don't know that we as a municipality can rely on a third party like that when we have no contract with YouTube. But we had we had with Earthlink and we lost it all. No, I know. But my point is if you're
saying we just rely on YouTube to back it up. Yeah. I don't think I don't know that we can do that. There is no YouTube backup, right? Well, it's backed up on their server. It's on their server. The challenge is we able to downloading a YouTube video is something that's a setting inside of
whoever streams the video. our our YouTube videos that go out on our town channel are not downloadable, but they can be made downloadable. That that is an option within loading a YouTube video.
So that that can be downloaded there. I don't think you just need the VLC whatever it is the VLC that's for ones that are not marked for downloading, right? you have to have a special way to to grab those um from YouTube. So um but
what's the budget? Are you still in Blackbot? Yeah. Well, I'm in I'm in Blackbot and I'm looking at the computer subscription services. Um and um last year's budget for that line item was $45,000.
Um uh and I think our actual expenditures to date um was $49,000 in that particular line item. This year the the budget um is at $130,000
uh dollars. I have texted um our finance director to find out what all is encompassed within that number. Um, if you wanted to make a motion to make it subject to budgeting, obviously it
looks like the $130,000 would more than cover it. My concern about saying that explicitly is I'm not exactly sure what's included in there. And if the the 90,00 the $90,000 is in there, then we don't
have we may not have sufficient funds within that. um line item. Um but if you uh in order to take advantage of the bundle pricing um feel like I'm at the Verizon store.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh it if if you could you could authorize the the manager um to do it subject to um discovering whether or not there is sufficient monies in that particular or
other particular line items associated with computer. She would report back to you. Um we're going to miss the deadline or you there's not money then we're going to miss the bundle deadline anyhow, right? Okay. What's the difference in the bundle deadline? It was already passed and Valerie got it
extended. No, I understand. Dollar amount. What's the difference? Are we talking about $5,000 savings or $500? You don't get the free iPhones. Well, that's what I'm saying. We're we're sitting here talking. Well, we might miss the, you know, if it's really not inconsequential. Basically, it comes out that you get the
civic send for free. Okay. This round in a sense. I think we should just approve it like like he said based on budget availability like money I'm Todd I have a a concern about a third party
maintaining our record right yeah right it's our responsibility maintain our yeah so all right so we're going to make a motion is that what you want to do isn't civic plus still a third party just their is our contract a third third party
so make a motion to move forward to to I make a motion to approve the town manager to take advantage of the budget the bundle pricing of I don't know howudget based on budget based on budget availability.
Yeah. Second. I'll second it. But I'm still concerned that even if the budget's not there for it, if we have to back up this stuff on YouTube, then we have to no matter what the budget is. So yeah, I agree. That's a concern. So this should have been brought forward in the budget. Okay.
So, go ahead. I don't want it to be limited to that if we have to do that. Would you like to alter your motion? Yeah, I'm going to amend my motion. I I I motion approved number 11. Okay. 202581. 20. Yeah. Oh, does it say that? It was in the handout.
I'm looking at my digital copy of my handout right here. The hand the thing right in front of this thing. Right in front of you. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to be paperless here. Trees mitigation. Right. Okay. Go ahead. Make a motion to approve uh 2025-81. Second.
All in favor? I opposed. Five. Oh, passes four to one. Okay. Uh we are on running government is not cheap number. No, it really isn't like a horse farm.
Digitizing is really expensive, isn't it guys? Yeah, that's like the line the modern world. Now you wonder why I don't put my my calendar on. Okay. or 20 bucks at Walmart. You're in, right? Item number 12, uh, discussion of town
council rules of procedure on public comments. This is you, Paul. This is what you attributed to you. Where do you see that? Oh, I hit number 12. I don't hit number 12 on discussion. Sorry, my bad.
What do you want to tag on Earth? Oh, serious. Todd, do you have a comment? Yeah. So, I've been saying it for a long time. We started reading comment cards in from the public during COVID. Absolutely. And one of my concerns about that is we could sit here at one meeting and get a 100 comment cards that are 20
minutes long that she's reading. And if it's so important that somebody wants to say it, well then they can come here. They can email it to us still and we get it as an email, but it's not read into the record and we sit here for the attention. I don't have a problem with them being read, but I think they should run under the same threeminut rule. Correct. I don't I think that's
because I can tell you when we had Big Dog, we had hundreds of emails and if we read those in, we'd be here for a couple nights. Well, so as long as you under someone took a poll of pros and cons. Well, well, here's let's look at what other municipalities do. No. Yes.
They did a survey of five municipalities of it all. No. No. No. No. So four out of five other municipalities do not read them into the record. They just provide them to the council. Well, they would still be in the record. It's still public.
They don't read them into the record and we would be provided with them as a council. I'm okay with doing I I recall I recall what this was. This was specifically toward one email that was assumed to be public record then was stated that it wasn't public record.
Public record. Read read into read in. Yeah. read in and it needed and we were going to talk about the the you know procedure as to if you email in your public record do you wish or you you do not wish for it needs to be
stipulated and if you don't stipulate that you do not wish for it to be read it was it was going to or you we just need to decide whether we're going to say I would like this read in or that's where we're going or whether say and if it doesn't then we're not reading it in it's just going to get it's going
to or if we're just going to say we're not reading any of them in that they either come or give it to someone should read for them. And and the companion the companion issue if you remember was what do we do on the continuation of meetings to a
second night? Um do they have a a a new deadline um where they can send things on? Um, and that goes to my thought is we should really try to avoid second night meetings and do everything that he wants it
and and so not reading the these in is one of the things that would speed up the the meeting. Would we still keep that they had to be emailed to you by noon to be provided to council or could then we provide more
lenience on when they would be provided to council? But we would still keep it that you only forward them to council if they arrive to you by noon. So that gives council ample time to look at them before the meeting. That gives council six hours before the meeting to look at them. I mean I'm I
think that's fine. What do you think? Yeah, I'm I'm good with that. Okay. So we're saying we're not going to read it in. We're not going to read it, but they would be provided to read it in or not. Yeah, we don't. That takes out the somebody deciding whether it's inflammatory. It takes out, you know, it
takes out the question of whether they're continue. You guys got a lot of free time in your day. Yeah, not necessarily. Oh, I'm I'm being sarcastic. Yeah, I'm I'm And but they would be provided if they were uh if they were sent in by noon.
What about the extended meetings? The continu would say it's the same meeting. So, they had to be in the Oh, yeah. The continuence thing doesn't get Yeah. Yeah. no new ones if they come in the next day. Well, I I would actually suggest that
you have no for for both of them because you could have somebody that it was actually diligent and showed up at the meeting, but then they couldn't make the second day of the meeting. Not that I ever want to see a second day of a meeting, but and then and then they they want to get
their statement in and so they can email. That's only if they send it to all of us. That's only if they send it to all of us. Submitted to them. There are two people that do that. the rest of them send them to Valerie and and they follow the rules. Right. Right. So, I mean, I don't know. I I I I know there was there were times that I
couldn't make it to a meeting and I really wanted my one of what I said what I was saying in my in my email. I want to be heard that night because, you know, to trust that somebody and give it to somebody to read for you. All they have to do is I mean, people
that you know are going to be here any Yeah. I don't want to put that burden on something. I mean, I know I have I have friends that would, you know, say whatever. It wouldn't matter, but you know, I don't want to put, you know, saying that's really,
but I'm just saying, you know, I I don't know. I mean, I know it does get cumbersome. We have some hot ticket items up on the budget. Valerie's reading out 20 stinking emails. I I get it. Most of the time it's one or two maybe, right? No, we think it depends on the item. There's something that
Yeah, there's some stuff that's going to I say we'll have them forformational purposes and and if a council member feels it's important to bring it up, they will. And otherwise, people can I mean, do we have a consensus on that? Yeah, everybody. And are we all in agreement with Mr. Curts that people might be able to do it? Also, if if a
meeting gets continued that the next day there's also a noon deadline because an item might not have got been gotten to that night. But no, because it would have been on the agenda from the first night. So, no, I think it just applies the first day. I mean, I get your your point that somebody may have been present that
could not attend the following evening, but that that applies to a lot of things. Well, and they could write it on a card because there's you could write it on a card or whatever and write it on a card and get to the Yeah, that's that's always a possibility. Read the item the next night. They could do it that way, right? I just don't like the email deadline
being extended to the second. I agree. Yeah. So, okay, we got our consensus on that. Did you have something else you wanted to say or you Yeah. When I was on the council previously on the agendas, we had the ability as council members to add three items to the agenda. Um, right now the way I'm going to weigh my comment later,
Todd. The way it's written right now is we have to bring it up at one meeting and then it can go on the next meeting. And this is why government goes so slow. And and I think each council member should have the ability to put two or three items on the agenda, you know, and provide some kind of backup that they want on there, right, for it to be
discussed and actually voted on at that meeting if if a vote was needed because right now it could be two months, right? I want to see that. So you're telling me currently you don't have the ability to to email Francine and say, "Hey, listen. I think we really need to discuss this on a policy that
each council member would have." If she's been doing it, then she not. But I want it to where No, I want this on the agenda and I'm going to be able to vote on it. And we had this back when I was on the council before and it worked. It worked great. But wait a minute. Hold on. Let's back up. Okay, let's back up. You just said if she says no, it's not. It's not
right now. Right now. Right now. But but but but hold on. But the manager serves at the pleasure of the council. Council, not council members. The entire council. So if says no, I'm not gonna add it to I mean we're just
procedural question here. It's all procedural. Yeah. If if Todd meets with Francine and says I want X on the agenda and Francine says no, I'm not putting X on the agenda. Then Todd can then come to the council meeting and in his comments say I really
wanted X on the agenda. I'm asking you council because see Todd can't direct Francine. But if Todd then brings it up at the meeting and the council as an entire entity directs her to do it, it doesn't matter whether she wants to do it or not, but then it goes to the next
meeting. Todd's suggesting that in our agenda review meetings, each of us he's suggesting a policy that we can add three items. Correct. That's all he's saying. Right. And it's going to be the deadline that that everybody else has to meet to get it to staff.
And it could be attributed under each council member, which I think is so right. So any given month, five, 10, 15, 20. Let's make it two. I'm just saying, dude, that's still 10. Yes, we have. I mean, we're cooking tonight,
right? We might, you know, like I said Oh, so it's going to be at the bottom. Yes. Correct. And like I said, we had this before and it worked fine. There wasn't Yeah. Yeah, I know. Some people on there like to hear themselves talk before. We didn't have an issue with it. So, right. So, it worked. It worked fine.
The the thing was make sure you had the deadline. We make the same deadline as everybody else. We get it to staff and it's in the agenda, not at the agenda review. No, it's going to be in the agenda. Correct. The publish. Yeah. Because honestly, I mean, you said, "Oh, this was Paul's item." I was looking I look at the title and it said discussion blah blah blah. I'm like,
"Okay, I'll see you." It's not, you know, studyw worthy at that point because it's going to be a discussion. and we're going to have a discussion about it and it's not something that's going to stick. It's, you know, so that's why I didn't know it was my item cuz, you know, do we we have a consensus, I think. Okay,
we also have a public comment. Okay, hold on a second. There's one more thing I wanted to talk about. Um, I was going to suggest I mean, we we've done a great job tonight, guys. I'm proud of all of us. We've clipped along and done a great job and got a lot of town business done, and I'm really happy
about that. Um, it's something that's been lacking. Um, I was going to talk about the 6:00 to 6:30 session that we have before the meetings. Sometimes it's heavily attended, sometimes it's not heavily
attended. Um, sometimes it's when it's heavily attended, it tends to be more heavily attended than a half an hour's worth. So, what I was going to suggest is that we as I read through all this and look at restructuring, how does everybody feel about removing that,
starting our council meetings at six o'clock and then on the informal night that what we have, the second night that we have, I agree. Have a first hour that is a community concern section. Okay. And that would be like where all the
non-aggenda item comments go and where all these community concerns go. And then we're really like focused for an hour on community concerns. And it also may give us fodder things to talk about in our informal conversation immediately after that. Everybody feel I would say not make it an hour. Just
say that at the beginning of the meeting the public can come and comment. I would not make it a time. We've already said it as a two hour map. If you say it's going to be an hour, then we're going to have to sit here and have a recess for 45. I just paid the public is invited. How about up to an hour? No.
No. We've already set two hour limit on we need that workshop and I'm really glad you brought it up. We need the time too. So no, I say great move the move all the community concerns. Move the whole things to the beginning to beginning of that night starting at 6
and then and all the non-aggenda comments. Move all of that and then we can get right down to business at six o'clock when we come in here on our first council meeting of the month and really actually get some business done. Everybody okay with that? Yes. Do we want to allow maybe public comment on non-aggenda items at the end
of the meeting? We could just in case there is a a pressing concern that might come up. We could just have it. We have a council at the end. Move the public Yeah. to write before council comments. Maybe give them a line item too. Public comment.
Yeah. Give the public comment on non-aggenda items right before council comments at the end or right before staff comments I guess at the end because that's where all our comment section is. used to have it and it got removed because we had the workshop. It was like there was no point having it both, right? So getting rid of the workshop in the beginning then you put
So move it after the discussions. Everybody okay with that? Good. Just in case somebody has something really pressing that comes up. Okay, good. That was great. Anybody else have anything on this item that we need to give direction for? Paul, I know you No, it was it was my item.
Yeah, it was it was just clear it was just clarification because we didn't really have a clear right direction as to and that's what Valerie was asking for. She was asking for clear direction. Did we get everything cleared up that you wanted? No, I think so. Yeah, it was it was Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Everybody good? I think that's all. No, it's Anybody's ever said that.
Valerie, is that enough instruction for you? Is there something else? No, I think that's all. And and so as we understand it, the public the the practice that we have of allowing people to speak on agenda items, whether or not there's a public
hearing that's required, obviously then you have to let them speak. But we're going to keep that um situation where if somebody wants to speak on an agenda item uh they would be able to speak for three minutes. Correct. Correct. Right. Okay. Just wanted to make sure that that was still going to be there.
We have a public comment on this. Miss Succi. You talked about the public comments. I was advocate on this email originally. I don't even remember and we worked with Dr. One of the issue that I noticed I don't even know if we all remember on the
reading the emails which was no problem reading other people's emails but then for some reason it got in there that they not only did they have to begin by noon, you had to before noon articulate who was going to read it. Um
but but we just said that's not going to even happen anymore. Yeah, that's okay. I'll I'll Okay, I I'll explain what they said. If you want a public comment to send a public comment that you want council to be privy to prior to the meeting, it has
to be in by noon. Okay? And then it will be distributed by the clerk to all council members and we will have the opportunity to read it. If you want somebody to read your public comment into the record for you, then you have to get it to that person and that person has to come here and read it into the record for you and it's limited to three
minutes. has to be in by noon and you have to we can't we can't we're not going to read the term. We're not reading it in the We just changed the rule. We just changed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we
did. So, if somebody sends you something at 5 minutes to to six and you race up here to read it into the record for them, that's fine. But it can only be 3 minutes. Somebody can't send you a 40page letter to read into the record. You will have to come up. You will have to have a printed copy of it to attach
to a public record sheet and be able to read it into the record. Right. I got it. I got it. Yeah. You just need a print a printed copy so we can record it. We are we are going to immediately begin operating in in this way. Uh at your
next agenda, we will um hopefully on the consent agenda um have a uh codification if you will or revision to the existing resolution to reflect the changes that you have made. Thank you. Can one person come up multiple times to
read multiple people's suggest? Sure. that they can't come up three times to read the same persons to get the whole same person's nine nine nine minute one in. No, but they can come up to read different people. Sure. Okay, we're on to item number 13, the
town the informal town council workshop meeting protocol. Let me just cover that. No, we just covered partly some of it. Go ahead. Um this is this item is is really for
you all to give us direction on. Um once again as we understand it um the workshop meetings are basically going to um be for you all to have an open-ended discussion on whatever um you want to
come up. Uh the agenda is just going to indicate something along those lines. it's not going to have specific items on it. Um, and uh, I think what we're looking for is clarification as to whether you want staff to
be at the at the meeting. Um, and if you do want staff, who it would be. Um, and you know, whether you're going to have any sort of rules that you want to impose. this is uh an outline um for you
all to have a discussion and give us direction as to whether you want to implement any rules with respect to the workshops that you're contemplating. One of those is there's going to be public comment in the beginning of the on non-aggenda. There is no agenda. So that makes it pretty easy.
Yeah. And the and and and then the and the second and the second rule is that uh or the meetings will be noticed from uh for a 2-hour time period. Okay. All right. So, let's take them one at a time. Meeting purpose, I don't think we need to say anything about that, right? The meeting purpose, it
just says it's just idea exchange, not for v final votes or formal action. Everybody agrees to that? Okay. All right. So, the second one, staff attendance. We've got three options. Option A, no staff present. No staff present. Option Okay, but can we can I finish
with the option so we could have a discussion? Okay, there's A, B, and C. There's A, B, and C. Option A is no staff present. Um, option B is limited staff to provide the technical background and option C is staff present for full
duration but only as advisory. Todd says right off the gun, no staff. Anybody else? In favor of A. raise your hand. Okay. So, so is is Todd hitting record? This that that was going to be my question. So, if we h what is the bare minimum we have to have?
So, um in preparation of anticipating what you would want um we've already spoken with staff that will be assigned to go ahead and record the meetings. She will sit in the background in her office. Once the meeting is over, she will lock up and shut everything down. That I think that
that was the other concern. Do we have to lock doors and things like that? that and turn the copy pot on before we start making Yeah. I tried to make coffee that thing one day. No. No. Okay. You need us. Yeah. So B is option B. Limited staff.
No technical background. It says option B. Limited. You said we could read this. Limited staff present to provide technical background as requested. No. No. She's not going to technical. This is Oh, wow. See, I see.
This is flip and lock the door. It's over the question. She's still on Civic Plus. I'm I'm thinking tech. Yeah. Hold on. Lisa's got a question. So, would that uh mean we would need to be here in the microphones for recording purposes? Because I know we talked about sitting at the table. We sit at the table and pass these
smaller microphones. We go the small. We can have that one. Rich will make sure the batteries are charged up. I think friendlier round table I think is friendlier to answer. Yeah. As long as it I I know when people are not using my friends, it usually does still pick it up. You know what though? The round table the only thing that round table may be a
problem with is somebody may have their back. I guess we could squitch a chair up here so somebody would have their back. Yeah, we could do it that way. Another one of those microphones that that are more round that gets a better signal from audio. Omni microphone. Yeah, like like the room has over there. Can we get one for out here?
We'll check once the we find out whether or not we got enough money in the budget. Yeah. said, "I can't have cookies." No, you got to go. God, I can't have my cookies, though. We could just run back and forth. Is that really a microphone or is that a telephone? All right, so we made our decision.
Everybody clear? No staff except for a flip a switch. Flip a switch. Flipper and a Norther. Who is the same person? How big is the circle going to be? Depends how many people have just five of us, then it's just five of us. If it's 50, then it's 50. Five of us. We can put on our pajamas.
Double deep. In other words, it could be two rows, right? We just decide when we get here. Yeah, we can semicircle and that way everybody out there can Are you planning on running laps? Okay, everybody good with that agenda preparation? No agenda. Everybody okay with that?
Yes. The the agenda is good things for the town. Right. Todd's bringing three items. I would like to suggest that perhaps on the meeting when we wrap on our meeting on the first Tuesday that we might want to throw some ideas
out, you know, hey, I'd like to cover ground on this. So, could you guys come with some ideas? I think maybe that would be the only way. It's not going to be on the printed agenda, right? It's if we get to it kind of thing. And I'll take I'll take notes when people say that in their comments and have those as like
starters. Yeah. Topic starters. Okay. All right. Great. Um, all right. And so, communication of council direction to staff. If the staff's not present, how are we going to give our desired direction to the staff? Do you want me to summarize anything that we came to
consensus on and present it to? We can all summarize and just agree this is what we'd like to hand for, right? But that's what I'm saying. We'll all summarize. We'll come to consensus. I'll write it down. Handwriting. I'll write it down in my good hand in my teacher handwriting. I just that's
probably good because we can't, you know, it's like there's going to be a bunch of stuff that we like have to give direction on. So, okay. So, I will report out whatever we all actually come to consensus on that we want. It could also be a springboard for your individual items. Yeah. Right. And it could be a
springboard for individual items, right? Or we use one of those iPads and we actually make an email. That electronic stuff. Okay. All right. And then finally, public participation. Do we want it to be open for public observation only? Do we want to allow
public comment? We've already said we were going to allow public comment at at the beginning. So I think we've already chosen option B. Does everybody agree with that? Yeah. I think we've chosen B and C. Yeah, it's B and C combo. Yeah. Yeah. So we've we've already chosen B and C. But B says just at the beginning of the
end. I want this to be a complete open dialogue, right? Not where they say say something and then it's interactive, right? It's interactive. Public comment interactively I think is fine. So how about the meeting will be livereamed and interactive. Yes. Yes. Option C slash
phone a friend. Phone a friend. Okay. And they do want us to know that the minutes are going to be generated by AI. So um want us all to be aware of that. We're really joining the modern world
here. That was kind of really Everybody good with that? Everybody good? Yes. We covered that topic well enough you Valerie approval or we just going to let them ride team. Um the the question that I had is with
respect to the AI generated um minutes. Do you want us to put it on a um a business agenda um for approval of those minutes or or or do you want them very very vague, you know, almost like action
minutes. So, you know, council member McClendon brought up item a consensus was to move forward. Yeah, I think that business like very action based. Action based. Yeah. So, it'll just be basically summaries of whatever your cons are. Do we have to keep official minutes since we're not voting there?
It's a public land. If we're doing consensus and it's a public meeting, I think you need action minutes. Would our directives coming from us not suffice for minutes? That's what I'm saying. If if it's completely it's completely transcribed, do we need do we need official minutes
by AI and I'm giving you any action items in We don't need official minutes. I don't think so. But no, we don't do minutes for these anymore, right? Yeah, you do. But the issue is this. Well, did I say that out loud? Yeah.
Paul filter. Now, apparently we're going to have it completely backed up the audio and video, right? We need to duplicate it into minutes, right? No minutes. There's no need yet. No minutes. And you'll get action items from us if there are any.
The minutes are just they met. True, right? Yeah. Just has to be documented. They met. Everybody was happy for a half hour. Okay. Good. Not too much coffee. Did we cover this well enough, Jeff and Valerie, for you to have consensus? Yes.
Okay, good. All right. Item number 14, Jeff. Item number 14 is the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Yes, it is. Um, the manager and I met with um the major
uh at the office in Royal Palm Beach uh last week. um they wanted to discuss uh amending the contract in order to potentially get overtime for the red
speed um enforcement process. uh they they didn't think that there would be much overtime in our jurisdiction. Um but they wanted to do it uniformly
throughout the the county because there are jurisdictions where they think it's going to be a big issue. We have one school, Wellington's got nine or so. Um so that was their opening uh salvo. Um,
we discussed the concept that thus far the council has only approved two months of funding on the on the contract and we would like to uh discuss uh their position on modification or
termination of the the contract. Obviously, that was something that he did not have authority to get into. We discussed um the service that was being provided. Everybody in the room acknowledged that um the sheriff's
office was doing a great job. Um but we expressed that we had funding issues and that um uh the council is looking for some change. you have not voted to uh cancel
the the contract at this point in time. We're not asking for that tonight. We have um we don't have have a definitive time, but it looks like we have a commitment for the beginning of next week for us to resume those
discussions. and we anticipate um some of the the higher level folks are are going to be involved that actually have the authority to negotiate contracts. Um I had also reached out to uh the Palm
the sheriff's office um legal advisor. Uh he indicated that um they don't his office doesn't get involved unless a legal issue is presented. Um and I said that there was
a definitive possibility um of it coming to his office at some point in time depending on what the council was going to uh to do. So what we anticipate is um bringing back uh the matter having it
on the agenda and you will have some decision points in November because as uh you all know and we have indicated to the sheriff the only funding that you have thus far authorized is for October and November. And we will we have paid
the October bill. Um and we will pay the November bill unless you give us different direction. Okay. Anybody have anything or are we good? Keep on talking. Okay. All right. Town
staff comments. Francine. great first meeting for the year and I'm going to yield my time to the clerk so she can talk about that instead and founders. Okay, let's uh do the town attorney is next and then we'll Thank you, Francine.
Okay. Um I have one issue that I want to uh bring up to you. Uh that is the way we currently do checks. Um, it requires two council members signatures.
That's consistent with the existing banking resolution. That is not consistent with the ordinance that we have because the ordinance says we need one council
member and the town manager's um signature. Our view of that system is that the two council members signature is more of
uh offers more protection and uh review because all the checks um have already been approved by the town manager or her designate. Um, so we've got a conflict between the
resolution and the ordinance. Uh, we need to amend something. Um, either the resolution or the ordinance and if you wanted to amend the ordinance, you could amend it to adhere
to our current practice. or you do not have to have an ordinance on the subject. Get this voted out. Yes. And that ordinance has um not been complied with since the
beginning of time. Okay. Lisa, did you have a question? That's a long time. Uh so uh assuming the time begins with the incorporation. Uh so the would it still require the two signatures on the checks?
That would be up to that would be up to you by a resolution. The banking resolution can uh uh has it set up that way. So yes. Okay. And then I know we had talked about the EFTs um what the policy was on those and there we realized there was no
oversight. Is there going to be any kind of additional um council member maybe like a warrant like we used to have over in the water control district days for EFTs? I used to have to go in as treasurer and sign and another and another supervisor
and sign a warrant before those things can be it would be similar to signing check. I know that puts a time constraint with some of those, but I know that we had asked for some oversight on that and I think the council members are pretty good about coming in and signing
when you ask them to. So I So would you like a what I what I think I'm hearing is we take out the bank signature um uh
direction from the ordinance. we rely on the resolution and we pass another resolution with respect to EFTs um that it's like a it's like a check run. We need to get two signatures from
council members affirming that they have approved the EFT run, right? uh and it and if we with only one one business meeting uh a month, I think it would be problematic for us to put
the actual warrants on a consent agenda. Um because the the timing on payment would would get messed up. They could just be put with the check run when you have it ready for Yeah. I mean, you always get somebody in here. That's just some sort of authorization form, right? Yeah. Is there a way to do it
electronically? where we sign it electronically like we do now with all these other documents. Um I'll defer to our docuign person as to whether or not that would be effective way. I think I think it can be done.
Sure. We could create a form that we could use docuign or we could give the signers ability in the banking system. It doesn't let you get a cash. it just would let you release the EFTs and I
know that um we have had previous mayors and council people come in to do that. I think um council member Elramini and I released a few dollars a few times. So we can do it in the banking system without a breach in the controls
form. Yeah. Whatever less time consuming. Wouldn't Wouldn't it only make sense though if you could do electronic signatures on checks as well? You can do electronic signatures on checks as well. So that could be set up both ways. Yeah. As long as the checks and balances
still there not not to use that check. As long as the checks and balances were there and it makes it easier for staff to be able to do it electronically. Okay. Why not? It's just a time. Yeah. I I just want to make sure because I know I sign a lot. They're giving me a lot that if I I'm I'm a real stickler
for looking at all the backup documentation when I when I sign before I put my signature on something. So, I want to make sure that it's not just a chat. I want to make sure I get all all the Okay. I'm just And we could do we could do it in the
alternative. Oldfashioned way or, you know, the docy sign or or email, verified email. Um, so anyway, uh that's what I'm hearing. Um you'll see uh an
ordinance on first reading um uh that will repeal the banking ordinance and we will rely on resolutions, we'll come forward with a resolution on the EFT process. Um and if we need to amend the
uh banking resolution to allow for electronic signatures, we'll do that as well. Okay, everybody good? Everybody said what they need to. Okay, great. Thank you, Mr. Curts. Is that it for you? That's it for me tonight. Veterans Day. Yay. Yay. Okay. So, Veterans Day uh will be
held this year uh Saturday, November 8th over here at Lockxahhatchee um Groves Park. The parade will start at 10:30 and the event will start from 11 to 2. We will have food, entertainment, um but this will be a day where we can celebrate Founders Day, honor our
veterans, um and just have a really good time together as a community. So, there's more information that that will be coming out. And the parade has been shortened to start over here in this parking lot of this medical center. Okay. And then it's just going to go down. This medical center.
Thank you. This medical center and then just go right down Cris to the park. So, it's a very short little It's not like a big grandio thing. And hopefully with announcing that route that it's going to start there and go down Cris to the park. Hopefully we can get the people who actually sit along the route and
wave and and and everything so um we can get that information out there in advance. That would be great. LGLA is sending out a card plus we also have this preliminary flyer plus um both this doesn't have the parade route. Yes,
I've written several of these parades now and not one person has like a parade from nowhere to nowhere. So I want to get that parade a parade just nobody saw it. Right. Exactly. So, you know, I mean, I'm not suggesting it be as big as Wellington where the streets are lined,
but um at least we could have a couple of people out there in lawn chairs would make me happy. John boots. I just really want to say this. We're partnering with fire rescue and PBSO. Um they will be part of the family funday
and also part of the parade with the color guard and hopefully the mountain posi. And remember forestry had that old uh thing that they brought in if you got ask them in advance. So they'll probably do that too probably landed the eagle on the ballp.
It's not allowed. Mike Carol with project I forgot the name of it right now. My next door neighbor Mike Carol 427 project 427 and see if he can be in it with one of their vehicles. Yeah, if he's not already doing something, he usually usually he's usually doing a Veterans Day, but
this isn't on Veterans Day. So, it's possible if I'm saying but call him now and see if you can get him in on the uptake. That would be great. Anybody else have any suggestions? What you're you've got what can we do to help?
I will reach out to you individually. Okay. So, is the parade ending here? at the park. Anything at the park? Do we have to clear anything with the park association? I'm working with them.
I'm working with them. We're actually uh going out for a site visit tomorrow to kind of look at the lay of the land and so I can send them a map of all the locations. Okay. Anybody else? Any questions? Okay. Thank you so much, Valerie.
I still have another report. Sorry. Uh so it is that time of the year uh where qualifying will begin in November. Uh I wanted to announce and make sure that I'm very clear for the record. Um per our charter, we are required to hold our qualifying period
the second Tuesday at noon uh through the third Tuesday in November at noon. However, that Tuesday is November 11th, which is Veterans Day, and the town hall is closed. So, the qualifying period will begin at 8:30 a.m. on Wednesday,
November 12th, and run through noon on Tuesday, November 18th, 2025 for the March 10th, 2026 election. We have two seats that are up for election. One uh for seat one, unexpired one-year term ending March 2027 and a council member
seat five, three-year term ending 2029. All of this information is located on our town's website, posted on the bulletin boards. We've also made someformational flyers. Um so please feel free to grab one if you're interested. Um on the flyer it also um explains what the requirements are to
qualify for office. Um I implore you that if you're interested that you make an appointment with me. Um for those of you who have sat with me before, I like to go through every single page and make sure that you understand uh your responsibilities um as a potential council member and also make sure that
all of your forms are submitted correctly and that you meet the deadline. Um some of the issues that we ran into last year were some folks um kind of took their time to open up their bank account and it was the last day running up to about the last minute um that people were trying to get their
checks into me. Um so just imagine if there's someone in front of you and you don't have your information into me. Once the clock strikes 12, you're out of luck. So please make an appointment with me so I can get you um qualified. Again, if you have any
questions, all the information is online. Thank you. Has a question. Hey, Valerie, on the back of this handout, um, it says you must be a registered voter in Highland Beach. I I don't think that Thank you.
And then pre41. We might want to alter that. Yeah. Make sure all that's right. Used to work there, didn't it? Did you know? What were we saying about boiler plates? Yep. Are we done? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Uh Karen,
don't have any tonight. Thank you. The report. Okay, Richard. So, um as we mentioned earlier, the red speed camera is will start being uploaded tomorrow. Um I sent each of you an email last week. Somebody asked a question as to why the speed limit is 15
instead of 20 like it is in majority of the county. Um the reason being is state law dictates that um the Florida Department of Transportation comes up with a guide for speed standards and in that guide it um the currently adopted
guide it states if a speed limit is under 35 miles an hour that the school zone speed limit will be 15. If the if the standard speed limit is over 35 miles an hour that the the school zone speed limit is in 20. And if there's any variation, the highest it can be is 20
and any variation under 15 has to have a speed study just like any other type of um traffic like you change the speed. So if anybody calls or says, you know, why is the speed line 15 Royal Palm Elementary 20 or anything like that,
that's the reason that information is on the website. Um we actually had it added after somebody had asked the question. Um so that way if it comes up in the future, just direct them to the to our website. Um, the PSA is on Facebook and Instagram already. It's supposed to be uploaded to YouTube and put on the
website. It was supposed to be done today, but they had an issue for some reason. Um, but hopefully it'll be up tomorrow. And, um, yeah, it's going to go live, so should be interesting. Thank you. Um, one point um,
that I had a meeting with the sheriff's office yesterday. Yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. Um, one comment they did make is if we cancel the sheriff's contract, some it's obviously going to affect the
the Red Speed program because they're not going to do it for free. That's right. Um, so you know, I that do the verification, right? Because they're the ones doing the verification. Um, and you're kind of limited as to who can do the verification. It has to be somebody
certified, you know, certified. Can you start researching that as part of that to report that out for us? The only other option you really have is for auto patrol. So, are they certified to to do speed cameras school?
How about forestry? How about you? That's they take the sheriff's office had to take special because of Wellington and everybody else. They had to take special classes or whatever. Even our magistrate has to take uh before the first hearing
has to attend a class on how to do how to deal with the these cameras. So do you know if other police departments can do it or or is it Well, Boon is doing I mean Boon has it. Um Wellington has it. I think they don't have red feet. But does it matter?
Um I mean I don't think it matters. The law just says that they have to have a certain certification. It doesn't doesn't you know there's various contractors who do it. Okay. various private contractors that do it. No, Red Speed. I mean like Red Speed and I forget what I forgot who Wellington's
using. They're using another company. And so So Jeff, can you find out if we can use another police department that's not a joining us because I know that was an issue, right? If we got rid of the sheriff and we wanted to have it join with another police department, they had to be a joining us. Can you find out is that still a requirement or we
Well, we we'll look at that. I uh close one one of the suggestions had been FHP, but but I mean if we could do any police department throughout the state, we could find one in Jacksonville or something, right? So, okay. Yeah. Okay. Lisa and Paul, I'm not sure who was first, but I'm going to take Lisa
first this time, Paul, because I took you first last time, but I wasn't sure. Uh lots of calls on the 161st West Side. I know that's been ongoing out for what, about a month or so. So, what's the status, please? They're still working on it. Um, as I tell all the residents who
call us, we just tell them, "Wait till the job is over before we critique the job." Uh, they they're they're going through their process. They they're digging out the swells first and they're slowly methodically replacing all the putting all the culvers in. Do we have a should be done?
I mean, they're they have almost all the swailes dug out. So, and they're currently they're out there right now installing all the culberts. So hopefully in the next month or and how's that affecting the South A road collecting canal when because isn't there material that was
supposed to come from 161st to go down? It's being delivered there. So they're using it. So are you anticipating that the that material is done like Oh no, they're not done digging the swailes out yet. Okay. They just stopped digging the swelles to catch up with installing all the pulvers.
Got it. and um to specifically to the south a road collecting canal. Are what's the status of the easements that I know that were were being held up? Uh there are two folks that are coming in on Friday um to execute them and uh
we'll renew our our efforts to to get everybody in. I don't think it's going to be a problem. Um right now uh the the easements are not holding up the the project. We're moving forward with it. Um, and there's a lot of work to to be
done at this point in time. We're not going to be ready to go out to to bid at least for is it another month or two months? Yeah, a couple months because we still got once we get the canal bank stuff done, we got to make sure we have all the easements, do the drainage, do the tree removal and all and prep the road
before we can go out. And there's how Jeff how many affected properties and how many we've obtained easements from. Let me call you give you the exact stats. It's something on the order of
Don't hold me to this. I'd say 24 and we've got 13 or something like that. And there there's a couple coming in. Um and with some of the folks, they'll be back in town, so it'll be easier to get them soon.
That it yield to Paul. Okay, Paul. So, um, you know, years ago, big push on, uh, unsafeely cleaning canals, you know, by hand with, you know, trash, etc. And
there was a a bucket purchased for the thingama digger that has slots in it, so lets water escape, right? Do we still have that bucket? Well, no. Is it possible that we could try to We do. We do. Yeah. The problem is is the residents
and or whoever um the you know the problem when it rains is unfortunately I mean obviously I can't say you're doing it you're doing it you know can't say who's doing it but water flows from properties into our canals
um and somehow whenever it rains a bunch of trash winds up in our canals. So, yeah. So, so so my guess is is property owners. I can't tell you who. Um, but that's my assumption is property owners or properties have trash on them
that plastic bottles and stuff that float into their internal drainage systems that wind up in our So, just because it's I gotten a couple calls about the north end or whatever people ride around. Now, how often do you have like a schedule that you like every so often we do this or is it
it's by it's by you know it's it only happens when it rains as need well it's probably accumulating right because it's all the water's pushing it exactly we get a lot of water friction point and it all accumulates right and then we have a couple of those uh tertiary barriers hanging out right
so yeah so capture we've gone out last month I think we've gone out four or five times like at least once a week we go out and try to pick up excuse me pick up all the debris and then four days later it looks like we never even went out there.
We just buck it into the dump dump trailer. Yeah. put it in the dump trailer and we along dump it into the right dump and yeah un somebody who's supposed to do this and I said I think they have horrendous country like a road a road
I have people send me pictures all the time of the Indian crying right we dress like an Indian there you go I could pass you could do that BSA that um yeah a little pow with that would be a road in
Noia Boulevard. We literally were there last week and you go there right now and it looks like nobody's been there in months. Excuse me. Native American. Native American. Correct. All right. No, we're just checking. Okay, we good. Florida State. All right.
Then we're on to Mr. McClendon. Council member comments. So, one thing I've brought up a couple times is and has it seemed to move forward is recycling locations with big bins. Um, can we start looking at doing that? Because I anticipate we're going to, well, I know we're going to go out
to bid for solid waste, right? And I would like to remove the recycling from that contract and have large bins set up strategically throughout the town where people could take the recycling there and to start trying to save costs. Um,
you know, the fire station has one now for cardboard and I'm sure they could put another one there. Actually, there's two there for cardboard. They could put one for glass and plastic or whatever it is. We could have ones here, right? You know, exactly. We probably could have one here. Sunport is probably a big collector of of that sort of
thing. So maybe in front of Solar Sport, not past the gate, but outside of the gate. Sunport. Sunport, not Sun or Solar. You're doing the opposite of what I do. Sunsport. Sunpl. But solar sport might be a place that would be, you know, open to it also, right? Having something there
behind the Publix or something like that to strategically. Would that be Karen that would work on that or Mary with her connection with solid waste? Can we try to get that moving forward instead of getting to where and how much p non locks grow public might be putting stuff into those
containers because then we have to pay for it. Right. It's a volume thing or they're just there. But it's recycle. I mean I don't think the fire department has an issue with the one that they have there. No, I'm just curious. Probably have over. Yeah. So yeah, they've I don't think they people just drive in the parking lot, throw the cardboard in
if they know it even exists, right? So unless you're on saw Todd just let the cat out of the bag secret. So I mean I don't want to get to a point where we start negotiating contract and then right and then oh we're going to cut out this but where are the people
are going to put it? Right. Let's at least find out about availability of it in possible locations. Can we do that? Yeah, because I can tell you that I I bet more times than not my recycle goes in with the trash. Mine does, too. It doesn't It's not That other day isn't done. Giving somebody a job at solid waste.
Come on. Are you done? So, no. So, can we get a I'd like to see us go out to contract for mowing at least to flat um banks next to the canal. maybe start with two contracts, one on the north side of Okobee and one on the south side and try to remove some
of that stuff from solid solid or some solid works from public from public works from having to do that on a you know on a regular basis because I'm sure we can do that probably cheaper with contracts at least the flat part because there's hundreds of contractors out there that would do that type of work
just during rainy season maybe. What were you talking about? the the the flat next to the the west side of the canals, the flat surface to mow, put it out to contract because I know the canal just running the bush hog down it, right? Because I know I know the canal banks is going to be a specialty thing,
but the flat part there's probably hundreds or if not thousands of contractors. Yeah. But I think the I think our our lion share what we spend would be operating a weedier at the tail end of the the can, you know, like going around sign. So you No, no, no. The flat part to the west
side of the canal get a So we we So So we own a bush hog with a tractor and an employee. And you think it's going to be cheaper? Yes. We're going to save money. Yes. Because we already lease a tractor that was purchased, multiple tractors. You
feel where I'm going with this? I do. A lot of tractors were purchased. Hold on. With multiple bush hogs behind them to do exactly what you're talking about. Sure. Well, Lincoln spends billions of dollars. All right, but he's asking for us to get
a I know. I agree. Millions in house for millions in house or millions out. They have contractors on median large medians. Well, medians are a lot different, right? I mean, that's like they're trimming bushes. They're doing the whole nine yards on those things. They're like they look like But it doesn't cost us anything to go to a couple of milling companies and see
what the bid is, right? Well, no, we would have to put it out. Um, how much does that cost? Um, it costs it costs time. It's doable. It's not okay. Not anything that we wouldn't do uh
inhouse. Um, Richard's going to be in Italy, so it's not going to be done this month. Didn't expect it to be done this week. So, just a second for interrupting Tad's
comments, but the lieutenant had something that she wanted to clarify that was said that she has a concern about. So, not not a concern. I just wanted to clarify just a comment that Richard made um when he was talking about red speed and potential fees in the future if the contract terminated.
Sure. Up to the mic. So, that's good. I I just didn't think one should be under the impression that that was a conversation that was had when we were discussing red speed. That is a conversation at a much higher level that if that was something you would explore,
then obviously that would be um the council and um those that negotiate contracts within the sheriff's office. So that wasn't a discussion that was that was had yesterday. It was just a a passing um comment. So, I just wanted to clarify
that was uh that wasn't that wasn't a focus in conversation yesterday at all. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. So, anyway, if we could see about moving forward with that. So, I don't know if you guys saw the chief financial officer for the state of Florida was
talking about property taxes and he said if some municipality dared to raise their property taxes, we're going to be coming in and going through with a fine chief cone. And we just did that. So I think we need to seriously start moving forward about doing these rebate checks back to people before we get fine tooth
comb and coming through here. That way we can say well yeah we did raise our military however we're rebating back these funds. So I think we need to get serious serious about getting this getting that process for getting the funds back to people before the CFO of
the state of Florida is here wanting to know why we raise our military. That's it. Thank you. Okay, Lisa. Uh, uh, Richard, back to you. Uh, the easement of the maintenance of, um,
the covert drainage. So, some are Yeah, I I'm not really sure how to get that. So, we've got we've got some roads that are paved and there were ballards put in because what was happening was they put in these beautiful drainage swailes with
the with the basins and then people it would rain and then people would drive off the dirt road to avoid puddles, right, which only just tore everything up. So, Ballards got put in. Um, and then we've got situations creating sighteline triangle issues, but there's
properties that that overgrowth of the property is now hanging over these maintenance, these easements for drainage. What's the status of coming along with the vertical trimmer and taking some of that stuff back?
We do it as we do some of the mowing right now because the heavy, you know, heavy growth, a lot of that stuff gets put on the back burner because Can I send you some addresses where it's absolutely pretty dangerous? Yeah, we actually had a guy today call.
He's like he's a 22nd and he and the property owner's got a line of vacations right down the property line which COD is dealing with right now. So they they're supposed to be sending them a notice because you can't you look down to the south and you can't see down. Yeah. And I know some land owners do
maintain out in front of their own properties which is nice. Um so yes, thank you. Thank you for that. And um Mr. Curts on the charter review agenda. Yes.
Uh first it was late just saying. Um so deadline still not being met. the supermajority voting requirement. I think council had discussed that it was only going to apply to the uh charter
officers. I think we had removed the language of uh reviewing it for zoning change and for um it was ordinances that would do any money change for the town council because it was already in the charter. So is is that what you all
recall? There was we with respect to um the or what we had discussed with respect to the um
increase in or change in in salaries was that there was an ordinance correct that was out there but there was a supermajority provision um with respect to being able to um to pay
to to change the the requirement is that that has to be a supermajority vote. Um in there that's separate from would require a super majority vote. Correct. Okay. Yes. Um but I think think we had talked about that not being part of it. Um and
certainly we did not want the zoning. I thought we were just having them look at everything that had the super majority voter thing in the charter. It's a charter office. No, it's not. No, there in the charter that you've got the super the there's a requirement that it's in the handout.
You can have you can have an ordinance um that would increase your salaries, but the that wouldn't be effective until um the next election. Um that's in your code of ordinances. In order to pass
that ordinance, you first have to have a 41 vote. So it is a supermajority um requirement in there. Then there is the supermajority requirement with respect to um land use decisions. Um and there's
the um supermajority vote with respect uh to um charter officers. Um and the um you know my recollection of the discussion at at the previous
meeting was that we were um not going to consider the um and it it's not a supermajority question but the issue of of bonding or uh the three-year limitation that was
taken out. So Todd Todd section 910 it's right here in the handout the lands and use we were going to exclude the superiority for the land use. Yes it's in the charter. You don't you didn't want them to to discuss that. That that's that that's how I understood it. That's what Lisa is saying. We
that's what my re say land use. So any that was that was my question on that agenda. So and my understanding was we were going to let them talk about it and kick it around and get advice back from them. So, I guess we have different recollections.
Yes, they do it. Huh. Let them uh decide, I guess. But yeah, I think the council had decided when we discussed it that that wasn't off the table. Yeah. He he asked for recommendations and then we said this, this, and this, and whatever else they might,
right, find. We prioritized like three items and then said whatever else they might find. So, it's not necessarily off the table. The super majority thing. Yeah. My my recollection of the uh motion was that the only thing that was taken off of the four items was the
fourth item on the the bond. That was the actual well there was lots of discussion about things but it was taken away. I I wouldn't support that change going from four to three for land. I say we go to unanimous but hey go the
other way. So um all right and then yes I would like to suggest some workshop topics. Um I know we've talked about priorities right and I know that there's a list the historic list of many many
perhaps that can be provided to us um before the meeting and we take some time to review it and then pick our top five and then compare. I think that would be a good place to start, especially as we go into looking at the budget and and stuff because we talked about having the
committees meeting on that, the finance committee after the fact. So, I'd like to see them also meeting and and starting to do some of that work. Um, I also had a lot of feedback on how
disrespectful it was to have those presentations at the budget meeting um, and can we limit presentations in the future either by a time constraint. I know one of those was very interactive with the people that did the presentations, but I I think when we're
in budgeting, that should be critical that we limit the meetings to more specific topics addressing those uh because I had a lot of that. So those things uh specifically. And then lastly, my question is for uh Francine. I'm
still waiting for the list of accounting firms that were contacted for the new finance director. I provided that to Mr. Kurs and to Miss So several times. I did it myself by going through my emails. Well, the last time Enya told me she was
working on it. So, that's the last status I've seen. I think I don't know why you haven't gotten. Okay, that would be great. So, and then uh on Francine on Pquette. Sorry, I had one more. Um you you
replied to the question on the special magistrate um that we have an outstanding fine but that that company that company that property is trying to come into compliance, right? And there would be possible fine reduction. So
it's right here. It's right here in the order. It's right here in the order that they could have fine reduction. The attorney see that. The reason I sent that out though is because there was a great deal of misinformation. No one was getting questions on yesterday morning
about how that matter was handled and who was there and what they said and so on and so forth. I was not at the meeting. Um that's why I thought sending out the magistrate's order with a couple of sentences on what um the essence of
the meeting was. Part of that fine um has been running since 2023 and um absent the handiwork of our new attorney and community standards director, you know, we were not able to get the
last group to bring that in for a landing. The property is um going through a sale and it was very important to get that record that lean recorded now because part of their sale will be
the survival of that lean. Most things when a property flows is they try to clear the fine. This in this sale the fine is going to carry over to the new owner. the purchase and sale is between the people who own the property now and
the people who rent the property now. So, I just wanted to make sure that you had that information and a piece of that fine could perhaps stop acrewing if we receive the bond that we need to receive
with regard to the um vegetation permit. But um you heard some you know quite strong nos over here. So I think it's time for the legal explanation. Okay.
Um under our uh ordinances and uh you're going to you're going to finalize the the process for the leans. there is the ability for somebody to
come in and request a um lean reduction. They can request that only after they come into compliance. The compliance in this particular case, if they continue to operate
um is by coming before the council eventually um and getting a change to their zoning district and getting site plan approval for the activities that are on there. Um it is anticipated that
they will make those petitions uh within the next couple of weeks. Um and it will come to you months thereafter. Um but we have been anticipating those
petitions for a couple of years. So take all that with a grain of salt. I think what you heard or you may have heard with respect to the nose is that this administration
um and myself have reviewed the the cases um and the situation and we do not foresee a situation in which we would ever recommend to you or to the
special magist ate that there be a reduction in the the leans that have been imposed. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We now have Mr. Corner. You know, I I try to tell myself that
I'm not going to come up here. I'm not going to say anything about what I read outside and comments that I read outside. You know, I gotta and of course, we have an empty audience this evening. So hopefully everybody's watching. Um, you know, I think before,
you know, we we, you know, put stuff out in the ether, put stuff out, you know, not we, but just the real we before those those of us who decide to post things to whatever, you know, that we really ought to, you know, check facts and stuff that
you read, you should check facts because not everything that you read on the internet, contrary to popular belief, is true, right? There's a lot of factual, you know, missing facts and things. There's, you know, mis mis mis said things,
misstated things. Um, you know, and it it really we we did, you said it earlier. We, you know, it's 9:00. We're on comments, right? We're getting ready to get out of here and we we made a lot of headway tonight. I think we did good. Um, you know, and moving forward, I hope
that we can continue this positive momentum. Um you I realize there's there's you know hot button items that we're always going to get that you know we're going to get people st you know standing room only and they're going to talk about you know but um I think
before you know check your facts you know take take everything that you read for what it is it's somebody's opinion you know unless it's some signed document from somewhere or you know cited from Webster or what have you it's an interpretation of something do your
research call somebody and ask them because, you know, I I saw a lot of stuff flipping around this past week and and it was just I'm not going to specify, but it was uh and I just Yeah, I mean, hey, inaccurate. There was
some aspersions cast that really, you know, um you know, terms like conflict of interest or are just, you know, big high vocabulary words used around here in the last couple years. Um, you know,
so I I you know, it's just as as as people have witnessed, Todd and I don't agree on everything all the time, right? Um, we've known each other for, you know, a a few years now. We don't agree with everything. Uh, Anita
and I don't agree with on stuff all the time. Lis and I've yelled at each other before. I We have, but it's all, you know, listen, I mean, that's that's the beautiful thing about where we live, right? We're passionate and that's the beautiful thing about where we are. You know, land of the free, home of the brave, freedom
of speech and all that good stuff. So, the the the idea is that, you know, the civility grows, you know, I think it needs to grow. I mean, it was nice that the past couple times nobody's been called an idiot. Um, you know, low IQ, things like that. I
mean, that's, you know, we have a pretty pretty uh broad spectrum of intellect here. I think we're we're all fairly intelligent folks. Um, you know, and I just hope that we maintain that as we move forward. And we just, you know, and you when we have our little moments of
silence, I always just ask that we, you know, in my mind, I'm asking that we all just make good decisions for the town, right? And do the be what's best for the town. Um, and I think that's what I think that's where we're headed. I think we're we're in a good spot. And I'm I'm
excited to see how the year goes. And uh that's all I got for tonight. Rich, that's all my other questions. Thank you, Marge. Yeah. Um I'm glad to have an early ending. What, an hour and a half, maybe?
Yeah. Yeah. So, that's good. That's good. Um uh in in spite of all of the rain that we've been having where the road uh crew is making good progress on the A-Rod project, moving um dirt from
wherever and bringing it and widening a road 7 ft and um uh they're getting ready for the the paving as soon as the project is done and the trees are removed and the whales
are in place. So that that's good. Um question, can Vince start calling people who need to have their easements and invite them to go to town hall to sign the documents? No, you have no, you have
a resolution with respect to or easement policy um that says the only people that can ask for um easements are town staff, the count council can't get involved. Um it
is or anybody outside um because there's parameters that we have to tell people about let them know um that they have options. Vince is going to get signatures. He's going to encourage whoever you say
hasn't signed an easement to make an appointment to come in. He's he's he's always welcome to to do that. Um um I told you at our at our meeting that I would try to get in touch with him. I haven't had a chance to
since uh yesterday, but we will do that. And as I said, there's a couple people that are lined up to come in on Yeah, there's a couple people lined up to come in on Friday. So to do what he's offering to do to sign to Yes. Yeah, I heard that earlier. But uh you
said that there's what 29 that needs to sign and 14 I ask that you not hold me to the specific numbers and the number that I the number that I the number that I threw out I think was
24 and that we had about 13. Um but I don't want you to hold me to the numbers. Um I think that with the exception of one particular individual which we have planned around um we're
going to to get them. Um but you know uh okay but but my reason for asking that question is that Vince has been doing a a one-on-one with the the residents and encouraging them. He's he's he's a great asset.
Yeah. Yeah. There's no question about it. Okay. So it's okay for him to reach out. Not me but him. Yes. Listen, I I will I will give him a call sometime this week. I can't promise
that it will be tomorrow. I think it'll probably be on Thursday. He's ringing my phone off the hook. Okay. Um I'm impressed with the uh the work that the trail committee has been doing. Uh, I've read some reviews from
my appointment and she's very happy also with uh, you know, I guess this is her first time on any committee and it it's being very productive and she's a lovely lady. We we had fun doing our video. Yeah. Okay, that's it.
All right. Before you make a comment, I have forgot one thing. I'm sorry. Your microphone twice, Mr. Coleman, but I'll make an exception for you. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Okay. Uh, I just Bill Ford will not be able to
join the charter review committee. He has some confl conflicts throughout the schedule. So, I'll have to get you somebody, but I didn't want to go without making that known. They're meeting for the first time tomorrow night. I understand that there was a conflict and it wasn't addressed. This is going to be able for me. So, I just assume we'd be short to
No, he's he he he looked at it and he goes goes honestly. And he had a couple things blow up over the last couple what you're saying and mine I also just found out about because of that hack thing I just got the letter so I was I had already discussed do I need to try to make another appointment but that appointment can't get confirmed see it
has to be confirmed it won't be confirmed in November 7th the committee will have already met so basically we need nine for a quorum there were 15 appointed basically starting two down is what's happen right and the the think we should be okay the tenative schedule is uh October 8th
October 22nd and October 29th. Yeah. Well, possibly it if necessary, I suggested we might go to the first meeting in the first week in November. The idea is to you'll
probably have a November business meeting um in the middle of the month. So, so we can at least deal with that. bring of name to the November meeting my just in case and I will as well. Um okay so um I've
been getting a lot of phone calls about different it's like you know no good deed goes unpunished. So, as we're doing these wonderful improvements like what happened on 161st, it's creating or exacerbating problems
that already existed like in the neighboring community for drainage and things like we fix this drainage and then that makes this drainage more messed up than it already was or you know or it was already messed up but now because this one's working it's all going over to that one. So, I
was going to make a suggestion. And I know that north end of a road because of 161st has really got a lot of issues. I had gone out there um last year with Richard and showed him a whole bunch of things that were passed on to me by citizens. I know a number of them have been um public works has taken care of a
number of things but still a lot of the issues are um still there. Um one being you know that somebody like basically cemented over the swell because they wanted a back driveway. Okay. So that pretty much uh you know so and I believe Richard got code out there and I'm not sure whether it's been taken care of but
I presume it has but whatever if it hasn't take care of it. But here was my thing. Last year when we were voting on um the budget and the millary um uh Mowski held out for um $150,000
to be set aside for community projects. Um and that money is still there. Correct Francine? Right. Okay. So it's down to $130,000 pursuant to their capital improvement. Okay. Revision that $130,000. It would carry over.
Okay. So that $130,000 is still there. Um maybe we can find 20 and make it 150 again somewhere. But we'll we'll talk about that. Let me just shoot my idea out there and then you can I'd like to pick us pick three areas. And for one, I'm
going to suggest that north end neighborhood thing at the end of a road, that whole area up there, um, as one that I know that has a lot of problems and that 161st is directly affecting the work we're doing there. And maybe pick two more. Um, and I'd like to take
$50,000 and give it to each one of those towards comm, you know, towards fixing the drainage. I know I realize that $50,000 is probably a drop in the bucket, but it's a start to trying to help those communities with some of their drainage problems. So, I'd like
some consensus that we put it on the agenda for next session for November and that maybe Richard, you suggest some areas that might benefit from that. I know that there was some conversation about citrus
being one of the areas that might benefit from that. Um, you know, and I'm sure there are other ones and that we can take a look at it and see that. And then, you know, I I realize again it's a drop in the bucket. Maybe then we could offer some, you know, public private partnership
ideas to get to to have further money in, but let's I'm trying to be creative about trying to get these people's drainage issues that in doing a good thing, we're making worse and using some town money to try to get started on those. Is that
something that everybody's So 160th is getting worse because of 161st. I'm confused. We just cleaned out the dishes 160th. They're burning east. We're talking about the east side of that side of it. And I wasn't talking about 100. I was talking about the east side
of it. That neighborhood that you and I walked through is really bad. I mean, and there's a lot of issues there. There's I mean, we there's Okay. So, there used to be a fish farm there along the canal bank, but now that fish farm's been replaced. It's not just our issues, but now that fish farm has been replaced
by a um a nursery who's growing trees on the bank, who's putting fertilizers on their tree that are going into that canal. So, guess what? That canal now has trees growing in the middle of it and and it's not okay. So, there's I mean there's huge multitude of properties affecting what
was a historic canal and drain. suggesting that we take 50 grand of this and throw it towards that subdivision and try to do some fixes there and thenif and then pick two other ones and take the 50 grand and spend some of that money that we put aside for community
projects to try to start doing some community projects. Are we talking about the canal that goes north from north road? It's the global trail. It's west of global, right? It's west of global and east of that subdivision. side. Those those canals aren't for that neighborhood. Those
canals are foral trail. Her that specific resident's property is supposed to drain to the west to 160th. Correct. And that canal that property well that canal that borders to the east. Oh, yeah. The whole area is Yeah, that's but that can rest my case,
your honor. None of it's working. But the specific canal you're speaking of is private. That's on private propert. We do not have east. Okay. So great. So maybe we can't do anything about the guy who's dumping fertilizer into the canals, growing trees in it. Even if it is his own canal, which then
goes into our canals because that's where it drains into. I'm pretty sure there is something we can do about it. Again, like I said, some public private partnerships, some creativity to try to see how much of that we could get cleaned up by throwing 50 grand at it and having conversations with people
like him and say, "Hey, you can't put fertilizer into the canal system because it goes into our canals." And then what I I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff in that area that could be fixed with public private partnerships on getting easements for that ditch from
in reality what needs to happen is the swailes that were probably put there in 1970 whatever when that area was developed need to be put back over time you know because if you remember the water control district only cared about a b cde e folsome right collecting north and that's it and
everybody else was on their own and put a dent in their problems a small dent possible. Yeah. 50 grand in some public private partnerships because in reality what needs to happen is you need to redig the swailes down those two roads back to 160th to that
canal which is the proper direction that water is supposed to flow. Okay. Is everybody okay with expending that money for the for three community projects is is that yeah it's there for community projects. Yeah. Okay. So directing Richard to pick on pick I
don't know five 10 that we can pick three from for next time where would where it will actually have an impact make a difference ne next time. It won't it won't be on the November 4th agenda. I I know that I
know that he's got vacation plans far far away. Not im it's not urgent and we're going out of rainy season anyhow. So, but if we put it on now, we could Okay. Is everybody okay with that? Okay. All right. Okay. So, that was really it. The other thing is I just
want to echo what um what Paul said. I'm I'm super pleased um about, you know, again, we didn't all agree. Not everybody every vote was five to zero, but um we got a lot of work done tonight. And I'm I'm super proud of us all for um staying on task and not
getting sidetracked um and getting it done and doing our homework. Yeah. And doing our homework. Thank you so much. Can I have a motion to adjourn? All in favor? I
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