--------- like, "Wow, this is awesome. >> Why are you paying us at this time?" >> Actually, I had to go chase one down to get her to come into our spa to eat because she was like, "This isn't feeding time. >> So awkward. We're not supposed to eat now.
>> We should just get >> if we want to go uh go through the prefront matters um before uh Mr. Fullman gets here. Um, >> would you mind if we call the meeting to order? >> Yeah, they would call to order. Um, it's
up to you if you want to go through the pledge of allegiance and the moment of silence. Um, we would do roll call and then I would do a very quick announcement and then you would exit in a second. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh, we're live.
>> Yes, ma'am. >> All right. Calling this meeting to order of the shade meeting of the town council. Um so we will begin with the pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silence.
I alian to the flag of the United States to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. >> All right, we will proceed with roll
call. >> Council member Stevens, >> present. >> Council member Kaine, >> present. Council member Coleman, Vice Mayor Sood, >> present. >> Mayor El Ramy, >> present. >> Acting Town Manager Oaks, >> present. >> Town Attorney Curts,
>> I am here. >> Thank you. >> Uh, obviously additions, deletions, and modifications. I don't think that applies here. Um, and I will toss it back to the town attorney. >> Should I make a motion to approve the agenda? >> Uh, do we do that, Jeff, for
>> Jeff? Do we need that in the >> You can >> a motion to approve the agenda. >> All right, we have a motion to approve a second. >> Second. >> I have a second. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> opposed. Hearing none. Motion passes 40. >> Mr. Kurts. >> Um we are going to go into an attorney
client session. Um there are two cases before you. They are related to each other. One is 444 B Road LLC versus the town of Lockachi Groves, Florida. The other is 556 B Road LLC versus the town
of Oxah Hatche Groves, Florida. Um what we are going to uh do is uh go into the conference room. There will be a court reporter there. We will take down um a verbatim transcript of our meeting.
that um transcript will not be available uh for public dissemination until the conclusion of these two uh pieces of litigation. Um the purpose is uh to discuss a strategy um and uh potential
settlement and you did get a settlement offer uh this afternoon for us to consider. Um >> thank you. So, I would uh ask at this time that we
move ourselves to the conference room, I assume is where we're going to be set up for this meeting and we will continue in there. Thank you. >> And we anticipate that uh council member Coleman will be here shortly.
>> He's he's on Citrus and E- Road. >> Okay. We'll do another roll call if we have to. So, we'll make sure it's noted. Thank you. delay. Go ahead. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Okay. >> All for Lisa. >> Uh I need a motion to adjourn the shade
meeting. >> So move second. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor of adjourning the shade meeting. >> I I >> opposed hearing. None. Motion passes 4. >> Thank you. Part: 2
ction is already crazily dangerous and and this whatever is going on is clearly going to add uh accidents if not fatalities to the list. So I I don't know who we contact
but it it needs to be looked into because just tonight me getting here was um tricky let's say. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you for everything you do. Have a good evening. Thank you. >> Those flashing yellow arrows ar flashing
[clears throat] yellow arrows are showing up everywhere. There's one at Wellington Trace and Green View Shores. There's one at turning into on the Vista across Marrigo Dodge across four lanes of traffic. It flashes yellow. >> What do we have to call DOT? >> I think DOT I I guess um we had
requested a right turn lane and I guess that's what they attempted to do. >> Left turn lane. >> They left. >> We got a straight and a right >> and a middlearked. Yeah, we have a left, an unmarked, and now a right, I believe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So,
>> Oh, joy. Okay. Well, taxpayer dollars. >> So, uh I do still do not see our our folks from Treasure Coast. So, um I would like to ask for a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> I'll second it. >> We have a motion to approve by Council
Member Kane on the consent and seconded by Council Member Coleman. All those in favor? >> I I >> opposed. >> I >> opposed. Hearing none. Motion passes. 5-0. >> Okay. >> Vice Mayor refused to vote.
>> Yes. In favor of the I was confused for a second. I might >> We got We got I know. Sorry. >> [laughter] >> He said I >> I was like there's appointees on the consent agenda.
>> Okay, that will bring us to um the first regular agenda item number six. Take it away Karen. >> You can read something read the title. I can do.
Um, this is an ordinance of the town of of town council of the town of Locket Groves, Florida, repealing article 92, recreational vehicles of the unified land development code as established by ordinance number 2024-07
and amending part three supplemental regulations of the Unified Land Development Code to enact a new article 92 recreation vehicles within part three supplemental regulations within in the unified land development code um providing for conflict severability
codification and an effective date presented to you uh on first reading. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Good evening. Karen Gardner Young, uh, community standards director. Uh, this
is in regards to our recreational vehicle ordinance. See if this good. So, as Jeff has stated, the idea is to revise the existing ordinance, which was adopted by the council in September of 2024.
The idea is not to amend the existing one, but basically to wipe it out and to start over. I think the idea was there were some there were changes that would have been it's just easier to make it as a brand new one rather than uh amending it. Now, at the March 17th, 2026 town
council meeting, the town council at that time discussed at the workshop the RV program. And at that time, staff was provided some notes in order to um to create a new ordinance regarding the RV program.
The um ordinance 202601 which is before you tonight includes the notes from that meeting as well as some additional uh suggestions that were made from staff. What it is proposing and these are just some of the highlights. First, it's
requiring that a principal residential dwelling unit and and the property must be homesteaded. It is also requiring it limits the RVs to 6 months if it's occupied. So obviously if it's a personal and it's
not occupied that doesn't apply. It does reduce the number of RVs that will be permitted based on the acreage. It was anywhere from 1 to four and now it's going to be 1 to two with the ability to add on one additional RV if your property is designated as bonafideed
agricultural use. It will require the RV to be in a presentable condition. In other words, it can't be broken. Uh it has to look nice. uh it requires only one permit. The way we have now is you have an affidavit or a permit. The
affidavit is if the RV is unoccupied. The permit is if it is occupied plus there's an actual third permit which is a site permit that you would need to get. This new ordinance proposed requires only one permit if the uh RV is
occupied and it limits any type of fee for the permit to be no more than $50. And as I stated, it would eliminate the affidavit for the unoccupied RV. The adoption process, this is first reading of the ordinance at this point.
The council would have several options. One is obviously if there's additional changes that want to be that you want to include and we cannot uh fulfill that tonight, then we can bring it back to the next council meeting, you can send the proposal to the planning and zoning
board for comments. that is discretionary by your code. Um you can move it to second reading at the next at the next reading you at the next council meeting or obviously you can take no action which means that the existing ordinance will remain in in effect. So
that's my short little presentation. The ordinance here Jeff and I worked on it. Um like I said it reflects the decision of the council. Uh and hopefully we got it correct for you. So, I'm here to answer any questions or to make any changes or any concerns that the council may have.
>> Thank you, Council Member Kane. You had your light on first. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, so I just ran some quick numbers because, you know, I like to do that, guys. Um, so this would be approving approximately 1,500 RVs if everyone was to take advantage of this
in our town that it would be eligible to take care advantage of it. I seem to I seem to recall about a year ago [laughter] an RV resort was proposed with 250 RVs and people went ballistic. I'm I'm a
kind of like amazed at what we would think about 1500 R500 RVs. Let's assume that they all just have one resident in them with just one resident in them and and we know nothing about these people. I mean, at least with the RV resort, you'd have what they checked in with,
and you'd have some information about them, but this way, we would have really no control or no knowledge of who these 1500 additional residents in the town were. Um, and I'm concerned about that. The second thing that I'm concerned about is if you look at page 113,
uh, section 9210, condition B, um, I'm not sure why that last sentence is there, but it seems redundant to me and it, for some reason, is causing me some concern. I'm not sure why. Um, I
haven't really figured that out yet, but it seems like it may be I don't know given some uh >> back door or exception or something. I I don't know. I'm I'm just concerned about it. That's all. So, I'm concerned about that last sentence. Recre recreational
vehicles are not permitted on vacant land after something that says uh must possess and maintain a p principal residential dwelling unit and be homesteaded. That do you understand what I'm saying? you're saying the same thing two different ways and it's looking to
me like that may cause some kind of a conflict that might be able to be a backdoor loophole for somebody in the future. And again, the 50 the number the number is enormous to me. I I realize that this is actually a cut down of
number from >> uh what the previous policy is, but I'm still concerned about that number of people that we know nothing about in town. Thank you, Council Member Coleman. You >> um Yeah, and I just I'm glad you said
that the at the end I was the current policy allows way more. Um I was just >> Yep. And I'm concerned about that, too. >> I know. I know. Um I honestly I wasn't a fan of the first one. I'm just trying better tool than
what we have, I guess, or more refined tool down the line after we've lived it for a couple years. Um, I apologize. I had something and it wasn't escaping me because it kept glitching when I was making my note. Um,
>> technology would you like to come back to you? >> Does do we we had talked about um Oh, never mind. Recreational security. >> All right. No, I think I vice mayor. >> This is first reading anyway, so
>> go ahead. Yeah, >> great. >> You may say what I'm going to say. >> All right. Maybe. All right. Uh, I wasn't in the previous council, so I apologize if I'm asking repetitive questions, but what is your forecast with this policy?
Every household that is homesteaded would have the right to have at least one RV. So, how many RVs there will be if everybody uses this option? How many are we do you think? >> Do you know Jeff? Do you know off the top of your head the number?
>> Well, council member Kane provided that >> math. It's 1500. Is that true? >> Okay. >> Well, that was in our agenda review to come back with the data on. >> So, with that 1500 RVs, uh what would be the impact on uh traffic, road safety,
population density? Do you have any impact from such a change? >> I don't have specifics. Uh, council member, uh, vice mayor, um, you know, obviously the more vehicles you put on the road, the more traffic it would be.
Um, and you know, the impacts upon obviously maintenance of the roadways and and being able to travel would obviously be an impact. Okay. >> Now, um, we have no contract with PBSO as we speak. So, my question is about
enforcement. If there are issues around these things, um do you see any issues with enforcing uh our code and regulations without PBS or contract >> for this for this type of enforcement?
Um we would utilize code enforcement. Um and that's how we've been administering the current ordinance. Um and we did not use PBSO to my knowledge. see any increase in law enforcement need
activity with 1500 RVs and unknown people coming in our area. >> Um well I think you're you're talking about two things you're talking about potential and then >> I'm talking
and and the >> the potential under the existing ordinance I think is indicated is actually >> greater >> greater than than that. So, uh there this is uh this allows for potentially
less um people when you're going to buy a a recreational vehicle um I think there's a lot of things that would go into consideration. They're not inexpensive. So, I don't think everybody would take advantage of it. >> Okay. So, look it I wasn't there in the
previous I wasn't there in the last 3 four months. But solution to fix a bad thing is not create another less bad thing. So okay. So let me ask you this. What is the purpose of this RV in your mind? Is it only for a use or can I just
rent it out or is it for family? What is the purpose? >> So I think the overall purpose was multiple items. Okay. So, one it was for an RV that the property owner owns and they use for their own personal
>> purposes. The other was that there are some properties out here who do rent out their land in order to allow individuals to utilize the RV as occupancy um for a you know for six months. We've even, you know, not for the whole time
unless you're like a caretaker or something along those lines of a disability type. Um, so I think it was also to to address address that and I think it was also intended to address, you know, preventing those RV parks from coming out, having so many RVs on on one
property that impacts the surrounding neighbors and not the vision of ultimately the view of what the town wants to be. >> So with this policy, every household that is homesteaded can have an RV. with
this policy potentially 1500 RVs can come in and lot of people with no PVSO enforcement with this policy you are saying rent renting of RV can also be done I think this is premature this is a a worse
solution on top of a bad solution so I would say send it back to PNZ board not ready for prime time thank you >> thank you uh council member Stevens >> thank you madame mayor Paul, Lisa, Anita, Todd sitting back
there somewhere. Marge and Karen, you guys worked very, very hard on this. I was sitting at the meetings during the workshops and watched you guys go back and forth and I just kind of hid in the back there and and I think y'all made a lot of progress. I mean, y'all put a lot of hard work into this and thank you for that. Um, so maybe for a little bit
different reason than what Councilman Sue just mentioned, I would love for more eyes to be on this and and maybe uh kick it down the road to the P&Z and get some more feedback from them. Uh, I just think the more comments, the more opinions, the more eyes the better just so that we can get it as close to right
as we possibly can. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Uh, I would like to comment on question. >> Okay. Um, I think Paul's before you. uh the property possessing bonafide agriculture use that is supposed to be
the one exception to to the um the one with the residential dwelling and homesteaded. I believe that's what we discussed and I think it was council member Coleman's suggestion that in order for um in essence an agricultural property that
needs a caretaker on it, >> right? That they would have to be bonafideed a in order to have an RV on that vacant land. It's not vacant. It's being used for bonafide a and I believe that's what our intention was.
>> Yeah, I think it's still considered it. It's vacant with a stipulation. So, it might still be considered. Yes, that was the >> I think we said at least 80% of that parcel had to be uh classified as such. I'm just thinking of the notes >> and we did an 80%
>> right. And it's not an additional RV. So, that that language change I think is um >> it's a it's an exception. >> Well, I'm sorry. It says 80% on the next page. >> It's an exception to the idea that you have to have a a home. It is the one
exception, right? Uh so to the vacant land, right? So >> yeah, so I think we need to clarify that, >> right? Uh and I think that that >> Yes. >> the term additional was misleading there. I think got so that was my only
comment. And Council Member Coleman, you have your light back on. >> Yeah, I clued back in. Um been a long day. It was hot out there today. left here last night and I Yeah, it was hot last night, too. Um, stay hydrated, folks. Um,
did we come up with a list of definitions regarding like I know we talked about this at length, RV versus horse trailers, etc. I mean, are we talking RVs as as they're listed here are RVs like you would purchase to use as a
recreational vehicle, not a horse trailer with a changing or living quarters on Well, I think if if there's any living component to it and it's being utilized for somebody living in it under those conditions, it's the same thing. >> Yeah. So, we got we we beat this around. I guess luckily I just barely made
>> Yeah, we beat it around. You did. >> So, if you got a boat with a cuddy cabin, you can't have a boat with a cuddy cabin, RV, and a >> and a living course. Well, it's I'm just, you know, it's for our own personal use. That's why I don't see a stipulation.
>> Remember, because we got rid of the >> That's right. We did talk Yeah. about somehow defining we thought that was you know unfair to make people go jump through that hoop albeit this one and to answer I think it was Manisha's question earlier one reason why this came around
was because of the inordinate amount of RVs that were landing in our town and a way to control it without having code enforcement come and show up on somebody's property that it was clearly just their own personal RV etc. And you
know, this is just the 2.0 of that version, I guess, is where I'm going. Um, the current policy versus the enforcement, is that so has that been helping, you know, the the with with
your code enforcement efforts to to, you know, kind of whittle away the the the illegal RV parks? Has has everything been working >> on the existing one you're talking about? Yeah, just in general having a policy in place because you know it's it's like oh if we put this in if we
change this to this and we're all of a sudden we're going to have 1500 RVs where I I think if we went around and counted we probably there's probably more than that here now but you know so and there's a you know so you know what I'm saying so I mean has it been helping to kind of reduce that amount? Have we
been you know without getting into too much detail right I mean >> I mean I think anytime you have regulations it always gives you the option to try to reg I mean regulations underregulate right and it gives us some authority to do something that's the
difference between not having any regulations right so you know in that sense it it does help because if we see something we actually have something on the books that would allow us to address it particularly when we talked about like the life safety because they're
required to have, you know, the hookup. They're required to show that they, you know, getting rid of the garbage. >> So, this is one of the few things that we have a proactive stance on. >> So, if we drive by a property and it all of a sudden it it was vacant yesterday or it was a nursery and it has five RVs
on it and that they weren't there yesterday. >> Correct. >> Right. Or we can we have a a database or an Excel spreadsheet or whatever. We have a list that we can go and we can check and say, "Oh, wait a minute. We've already touched this one." Right. And that's basically what we do, Paul, particularly at the start of the
equestrian season. We take a look and we see we had, you know, 97 affidavits from the year before. So, we know those people potentially are already going to have an RV. So, it doesn't cause us to have a code case. Doesn't mean we don't drive by obviously, but it does help in that regard. >> So, to close up for me, it it's a useful
tool that was this is just, like I said, the 2.0 version, right? Thank you. And there there are a number of properties that have um been subjected to the code enforcement process and have been found in violation. And so they would um uh
under the old ordinance if they had violated again they would have been based with a repeat violation which puts them into a a situation of um automatic or not automatic but uh you don't have to give a time frame for compliance. a
fine right away >> because there are there there are steps that are in place for compliance under our code enforcement laws etc. Right. So >> we don't comply within so much time we can >> Yeah. >> Mr. Curts, can you please speak into the microphone? I know the back of the room cannot hear you. >> Council member Kane
>> repeat um you you don't you don't have to worry about uh giving them time to comply since it's a >> Thank you. Yeah, >> council member. Thank you. Um I Lisa actually just reminded me we did ask in
our agenda review meeting um K and I think that if we do wind up kicking this over to P&Z um I think it would be extremely useful. So I didn't crunch that number to be like saying that that's what it was going to be. I just crunched it to say that's what the
that's where where it could be right. I I don't by any means think it would be, but through registrations, code enforcement that you've been doing and the fact that you've got a lot more boots on the ground with your code enforcement officers, can you please try
to provide both P&Z and us with with a a real number of of what how many of these are in our town now? Is it and I'm not asking for 253. I'm asking for 250 or 500. You know, I'm asking for some kind of a some kind of a round number of of
what you think the impact is >> both seasonal and non-seasonal at this at this time. So, >> if you can piece that together, push that together. >> I will I can tell you this much in the last year we had 97 affidavits. We had about
>> So, those would be just circuit just six-month rentals. The no affidavit are people who own them. So, that's a hundred. Okay. Okay. So, >> and you had about 20 permits. >> So, 120, but we know there's a lot more than that. Yeah, we know there's a lot more. Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh it also council had directed that on the bonafide a in you know caretaker it had to be permitted septic and electric that that's missing from this. Uh so that needs to be added. I would like
to see this go to PCB for another look see before it comes to us. And >> I think that we also directed that we wanted a single page document that was quite simple to start um to see how much
we could encourage compliance with this. So >> by single page you mean a single page application. >> Right. Correct. That was very very >> we wanted it to be very simple so people comply >> focused on you know I have a permitted septic that I'm using I have permit
electric or I'm using a a pumpout service you know just you know per potential perjury I you know conclude this is a true and honest statement council member Coleman >> I just yeah just and every time we do this I I keep getting ask this question
this is a codec issue Right. Why do we keep saying we're going to send it to PZ and B? That's planning, zoning, and building. If we're dealing with writing a code, I just want to clarify. I'm not >> then it should go to you. I'm sorry. >> All right.
>> I I think just because she mentioned PCB on the brain. >> We do that a lot actually. It's like every time it's like, wait a minute. Yes. >> Yes. >> And the reason why we do that is because the um if you look in the code, the typical process is it goes to planning
zoning board. typically. >> Yeah. >> So that's why but you have because most >> rewriting the code it should go to uldc right. Yeah. >> So I mean if it's a compliant maybe if it's a variance type thing then it goes to that that's a different that's >> when isc meeting. >> The next meeting is uh Monday.
>> Yeah >> Monday. Can we get it back for second reading by July? >> I think we can depending on how many changes the may have. But >> are we going to vote on this for first reading tonight? I think we only need three. That's fine.
>> Uh Mr. Curts can um second reading if the changes we're asking tonight are included >> uh for second or is that too significant? >> I don't think it's too significant. Um uh but we'll have to see what the final
product looks like and after ULDC andor P&Z get a shot at it. >> Okay. Yeah. Whatever we label them as. All right. Thank you. Uh public comment >> is your motion. >> We'll need a motion, but I need a I need council public comment first. >> Do the motion before the public.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, we we can uh get a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 20261 on first reading. >> Second. >> With proposed changes. the proposed changes and uh reviewed by the ODC. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Have a motion by council
member Kaine and a second by council member Coleman. Uh and public comment, please. >> Yes, madame mayor. The first one we have is Joe Sisliano, >> our ulc chair. >> Love the jacket. >> That's my golfing jacket.
Joseph Siliano 1530B wrote again. Thank you guys. I don't even know what to say because you all kind of pegged it. Um, and I guess we'll talk about it uldc because I I want to make sure that this resolution isn't just going after low fruit hanging and the wonders, but where
we have the hidden RV parks that are a little more egregious and a little more disrupting to our community and and and represent some of those fears that we had regarding the original RV park, which was people are going to move in and vote and stay here and we don't know
who they are or what they are or how they're going to disrupt affect, you know, good or bad our town. So, I thank you for pushing that to ULDC. Um, I just want you to know that that sort of takes away from the Pillars project a little
bit. >> The what project? [laughter] >> The Pillars Project. >> The Pillars. >> Lisa knows what I'm talking about. >> Oh, yes, I do. I do. Thank you. >> I know that word. >> But thank you guys. That's that's Thank you. >> There'll be no pee offing. Just saying. [laughter]
All right. Any other public comment? >> Yes, madam mayor. The final card we have is Virginia Standish. >> Your joke fell flat. Lisa. >> Well, it's because of the pillars. She knows what I'm talking about. >> Virginia Standish. I want to make sure
that members of the P, you touched briefly on bonafide a properties. I just want to make sure the public and the land owners that participate in Agrius and Bonafide A are aware of the attorney general opinion 2026-05 that was issued on March 2nd 2026
and that was done by James I believe it's Utmire and the conclusion is that any U municipality basically cannot regulate temporary accommodations on a property participating ating in agurism. So keep
that in mind. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. No more public comments. All right. We have a motion to approve on first reading with proposed changes and review by the uldc uh by council member Kane. Second by council member Coleman.
All those in favor? >> I I opposed. >> Opposed. >> Okay. Uh motion passes 41. All right. And I see our our presentation has arrived. [laughter] I
>> think her name's Jessica. >> That's all right. Jessica Seymour for Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council. For the record, I apologize for my tardiness. I underestimated uh the term Pike, which was a foolish error.
>> Mortal. Yes. Um I want to um first as at the very beginning of this um I think many I see a lot of familiar faces who have been following this project. Um so just a reminder for the board and for everyone involved that the study does not require
the town to take any action. Um it's really here for information. Um it doesn't change any land uses. Um and it's just a series of recommendations. Um we are Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council again for the room. Um
we don't work for private development and we only work for local governments. We only go where we're asked to go. The Florida Commerce Grant which commerce grant which was a technical assistance uh grant technical assistance
planning grant um that the town received outlined four really or five really specific areas of study. one of which required public input, traffic um and infrastructure analysis um public safety and drainage, equestrian um and
pedestrian safety as well as gateway identity. It also asked us to look at um fiscal and zoning strategies. So, it's a very broad list. So, the study took a look at each of these things with the best information we have um in a very
quick timeline. Um, as you know, we put the um the public outreach at the beginning of the process. We did that because we wanted to make sure we understood what the issues were and why we were here. We heard from the community that development had diluted the town with
generic architecture and landscaping. Um, that the infrastructure is aging and facing new challenges uh resulting from some of the the new development. um and that there's a general um concern about the quality of life in Lockxahhatche Grubs.
We also did the community survey. So, inside this uh little work in progress presentation, which I'll do my best to keep very brief. Um there's a few of the questions uh the results from those are listed and uh we split up those results between residents and non-residents um
because we wanted to get a better idea of who was taking the survey. Um, of course, non-residents may be property owners or our neighbors who are very engaged in Lockxahhatchee Groves. What was really interesting when we got the results back was how similar the residents and non-residents were in
their responses actually. Um, and one of the things that really popped out when we asked what did people like about Lockahhatche Groves. Of course, we expected rural to pop out. Nature, quiet was a really interesting word. the fly that wants to know more about this too.
Um, quiet was the word that really popped out which I thought was fascinating because that's not always a word you see associated with each um, community and it's an important word that it talks about the intensity of impacts and uses in the community.
So within that broad uh study of of lots of um areas of of um focus um we came up with four main umbrellas of recommendations. And so I'll go through each of those.
Hold the line or follow the comprehensive plan was our first and most important recommendation. Um this was our study area and this is a snapshot of the future land use in the study area and many of you are already very familiar with the future land use
um and it was recently went through the um ear process so it's very up to-date um and again we just wanted to recommend to stick to that plan. it's good planning document um rely upon that
future land use as well as the policy of 1.2 2 um talking about the limitations of uh commercial uh along using the the line of East Citrus uh drive and this uh survey result again reinforces that and
this is another one of these really um again interesting examples where the resident and the non-resident um support this concept to um keep your future land use become more and more uh consistent with that existing future land use that you have. Um those red parcels for
example are and just a little there's no legend up there but you can see that the the red parcels are where you already have commu commercial future land use designations. Um the purple is where you have that mixed use. And then some of these, of course, the the the laser
pointer won't work, but um north of Tangerine Drive is where you've got a lot of the um retention areas in the parks that have already been dedicated to to the town and um are considered open space as well.
Now, if there ever is an additional study of the Southern Boulevard corridor, we recommend really tying into where you have that commercial future land use already to be, especially the more um intense one, which is the red,
the darker red, um to really be where to focus that sort of analysis or future look. Now, this is again is just a recommendation. doesn't require any um um any action by the town and this does not um change any any sort of um future
land use or zoning designations in these parcels. But we are providing some input on what might be a reasonable place to focus on on in the future since there was a lot of time spent talking about the study area in this study. We also
did as part of our study um some summaries of some of the more recent actions by the the state. Um and as many of us know there's a lot um a lot happening at Tallahassee that impacts the entire state and has created a lot
of home rule uh concerns. So, we included a brief summary of those um actions in the survey. I mean, in in the um in the study, and then we asked some questions about it in the survey. Um I do want to let you know that the fact that you are incorporated as a town has
been very valuable um especially in reference to the Live Local Act or the Yiggby update, which is yes in God's backyard. Um, live local and Yiggby, as some of us are are familiar with, um, allows commercial development to include
residential um, if certain housing uh, criteria are met, including affordability thresholds. That said, it only grabs a density within your municipality. So, in the town of Lockahhatchee, that means you're talking
about one dwelling unit per five acres. And that is not um typically a very good formula for any sort of um um so the fact that you guys are incorporated helps because it means that you can't the a commercial property can't grab a
density from outside of Locka Hatchee Groves and it's only what's in your zoning code today. Um you also because you are incorporated the agricultural enclaves language doesn't apply to you. Um, and then we also included some information on when Senate Bill 180 is
going to expire. Um, hopefully if we have no storms, October will be the time to start doing code updates um, under that. So that brings me to the next qu next piece which is go ahead and start um, working as you guys already are with
your uldc committee to start fine-tuning the landscape codes, the architecture standards, the building standards. These are the results that we got from the survey. Um we provided some recommendation that not only including language about native landscaping and
specimen um trees but also really keying in what are preferred species like oak trees. Um there was a lot of positive response around shaded oak trees rather than palm trees in landscaping. So that's some um improvements for the code
can be incorporated there. Similarly with the architectural standards, we heard a lot about the desire to get some of those um drafted standards and the the rural Vista guidelines adopted. We also um spoke a little bit about the
importance of building uh orientation. So the way the building is facing the street um in this case we're talking about Southern Boulevard is really significant to how it's perceived by the community. So if you have the short side of the building facing uh southern, it
makes for a smaller building um appearance. It helps break depth the massing in addition to some of the other guidelines that you guys have um looked at. So again, codifying those standards is one of the recommendations. We also talked a lot about um announcing
the town's identity. Um, for a long time, Lockxah Hatchee Groves was unique because it was so far away from from uh every everything else, right? Uh, that was a huge part of the identity. But since that time, um, development has caught up to you guys and it be has
become even more important for you to announce yourselves as a place that has an identity that's different than your neighbors. um and to put some investments into consistent signage um throughout the town so that there's no question about where you are. Especially
when we start talking about the the concerns about cut through traffic. Um it helps to reinforce that this is a a place that is um very special and maintained. Um one of the concepts for that is to include uh gateway signage. Now this is
within Southern Boulevard. Um, so it's within the FDOT rideofway. FDOT does have uh District 4 has beautifification grants that the town could pursue to go after this kind of improvement. Um, and of course the design and and
implementation would have to coordinate with all of FDOT's clearance standards so that it's safe. But this is a concept on um how that could be done. Um, we also thought you guys are uniquely positioned um with not only
your equestrian trails but also trails along Southern Boulevard. And this is one of the places where you guys are very different from some of the non-residents and and some of your neighbors. You walk and bike a whole lot more. You use golf carts a whole lot
more. You clearly um also travel by horseback a lot more than some of your neighbors. Um, and so I thought it would be appropriate to let you know about a program that's out there. Um, it's called Trail Towns. And, um, Trail Towns
are a program that's from, um, the the Department of Environmental Protection. And there are a series of, um, communities across the state who have voluntarily gone after this designation. And the trail town designation means
that you are a community that is more focused on recreation adjacent to those kinds of users. People who want to bike, um, equestrian uses, um, people who want to walk, um, and you guys are uniquely
situated, I breeze past this slide, but you are uniquely situated on one of those trails that are targeted by the state through the Suntrail program. um in the transportation network from Florida Department of Transportation to
have a robust trail network um that goes through the town. You actually are in the complete section of it. So this this little area in green, if you can see on this slide is where Locka Hatchee is. So um and if you see on this map, you can
see a little le that's that's the same green line. This one's blown up. Um so again this is just a recommendation something for you to be aware of um as the town um makes decisions if this is something that you guys would be
interested in. Um just for for frame of reference um this includes uh communities like Everglades City. Uh it includes Marco Island, Mount Dora, Sanford, Titusville, uh Winter Garden, Winter Haven. Uh, for myself, I actually
I I do a lot of camping and I go to a lot of springs. And when when I when we decide, hey, let's let's go out and actually go to a restaurant while we're we're out at the Springs, we'll often look at the trails uh town map to see, you know, where's a where's a unique
place that we can go to to get something uh more local. Um, this is that existing trail that I mentioned. So the the sun to that that uh shared use path here and right now it it might leave a little bit to be
desired. And so that's why we did an illustration of what it could be like. Now of course you'd have to always be careful with your power lines and making sure that those trees are p uh planted far enough back. Um this is an illustration again of what we think that
we heard people want to see on that corridor um particularly on the private property. Um, so there's an illustration of of what that goal would be and what a code should be written to to um require that on private property as well as a
little bit of the improvement um on the FDOT ride of way where they would still be allowed um the opportunity for that swale to function and then a little bit of signage to celebrate where you're at. Um it also rained in this picture, you
know, it's very lush. Um so and then this is the the last piece again the FDA the the study required us to take a look at what are some places to to pay for all these things right how what are the mechanisms
um one of those mechanisms is grants which is really really important um and you guys have um started a really good foundation with completing your vulnerability assessment um every municipality's is required to create a
vulnerability assessment. What that does is identify where you're vulnerable in the case of a storm. Um and it can identify a lot of those infrastructure challenges you might be facing in the community. Um and that that project that core is nearly done. The next phase of
that is to go after implementation grants and that's where you can actually get the work done not just identify where the problems are. So we um encourage the community to continue to go after grants but be strategic and make sure that it's not just the study
but also the next step where um implementation the actual building of those things can happen. Um so at the in our study we did include a couple of targeted grants that are geared towards a sequence and then each one of those is
tied to the project. um so that you can see a nexus between the project that's identified and the a potential funding source. Um it's also really important to consider matching on these especially once you start getting into the implementation grants again making it
actually happen. Um you know there there are grant sometimes match requirements for a match even if it is a small grant because match because you are a small community it shows that the community is serious about this commitment to build
um some of those infrastructure needs. Um so again this study from the vulnerability assessment we relied on that a lot to understand um as long as well as the input from Craig Lowly uh Lori I'm sorry um on what those
infrastructure needs are but that's clearly something that we heard a lot about through the outreach um we also heard a little bit about a desire to create a business or neighborhood improvement district um a a business or neighborhood improvement district so we included a summary of
what what's required to get there. Um they can um which essentially are is a mechanism where the town can create or or a community can get together and petition the town to create a special district with a special um tax
associated with it. That said, that um district needs to have clear goals and it also has a governing body with representation from that district with owners from that property. Um so it's established through a voter referendum and then can be reestablished every 10
years. This kind of um structure really works best when the town and the district are very well aligned on the goals. Um so this for us we felt like is something to be aware of. It's a good idea possibly, but would be a lower
priority for looking at um funding some of the the needs that we heard about in the pro in the in the town. The other mechanism that we thought was worth studying and and maybe ahead of a a business or a neighborhood improvement
district is analyzing the Lakahashi Groves water control district and how they do um how that's the assessment is done. There are some communities across the state who have included um um a a
rate based off of the amount of imperous surface that community that property has. Um again creating a connection between the imperous impact meaning places that the water can't get to the ground any longer um and pla versus
places that are still green. um and that places that are still green and still include open space require a whole lot less of that um that infrastructure impact potentially and that when you look at where you have the most storm
water runoff that might be where it might be worth an analysis. So there's um we we're not sure if that's the right direction to go in, but if there is a a desire to continue that conversation and look at additional study areas, we thought that may be one that might be
worth looking into um with um the Laka Groves Waterm Control District. Um and then just a reminder, we've had a project landing page. It's still there. Um after today we'll update it with this presentation.
And again to remind everybody on the project schedule um today is our our work in progress and we'll update for for the town council and then on June 16th we'll be back. Um we do have a requirement by the state to uh wrap up
this project by uh the end of of June 19th actually is the very that's the drop end end date. Um, so, um, we'll we'll be out of your hair after that. [laughter] Um, and then we did get a a little public outreach recently, so I did want
to take just a minute to address some of those questions that we received. Um I want to reaffirm that we definitely um have looked extensively at the uh comprehensive plan and in fact it is been central to to lean upon that
document as the the basis of our recommendations particularly when it comes to the the zoning strategies that I mentioned. Um and that the the map um that we mentioned about um if there ever is a future analysis of the southern uh
boulevard corridor, it's not a mandate. It's not an action. It's there to memorialize the conver conversations that we had with the community um with the findings we had from from the looking at that comprehensive plan. in fact um so that in the future if there's
ever just another study like this or an implementation from some of these um this work it's not um it's not confused by um looking at such a large study area that we had to in this this study
um and then um I just want to make sure that everyone understands too that there is none of this is um in this study is money that goes to any of those specific speific properties and we have not reszoned anything in this process. Um
any reasonzoning would require uh significantly you know a lot more steps by and actions by town council. Um so there's been a lot of focus on the public uh spaces such as the right of way, the drainage, the signage. Um and then again information for town council
and for the community about resources that are out there. And that's it. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. >> I don't know if everybody's book is missing the page 27 which had the water district. Um but it was missing from my
book. >> What page? I'm sorry. >> It was um >> it was the one that Jessica, >> can you scroll back? Uh maybe four slides. >> It would be slide 27. That one.
>> That one. That one is missing from >> Yeah, it's missing from mine. So, I have a 27, but it's the path without the >> Well, the the numbers down here on the left. >> So, >> no, there's 28. >> Yeah, the 2728 is missing from our book.
There you go. >> Now, we have we have the the QR code page. It's the one prior to the QR code, which is this one. invest in infrastructure suggesting some potential district assessment methodologies.
So, okay. So, Jessica, this is um just a presentation for tonight with the the town council seeing it back in two weeks. >> That's correct. Yes. >> So, do do we want to take any questions
or discussion policy or lights on? I was waiting for you to give the go ahead to ask questions. >> Quick question if you don't mind. I know that we received um some qu some questions from um that we received via email. And Jessica is prepared to answer
uh those questions if you want to have her respond to them now or if you want to wait, but she is prepared. >> Yeah. How about after council member goes? >> We've got some other questions up here. They can do that or >> go ahead. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, first off,
Jessica, thank you very much for doing exactly what you said you were going to do. Um, we are very passionate bunch here and I know um a lot of us were kind of taken aback at first, but you know, you did exactly what you said you were going to. You complied with the Commerce
Grant and you came up with exactly um what you said you were going to and I I appreciate that. I just want to clarify a couple things if I can go down with my little notes. Um, I know I've asked this mult I think I asked you when when we had our our conversation. SP 180 is hurricane related only, correct? The
freeze doesn't affect that, right? Correct. >> You found that out for us. Okay, awesome. So, that's a plus. Right. >> Um, >> also light hurricane season predicted this year just came out. >> Yeah. >> Knock it out there, Craig. Knock wood,
please. Thank you. Um, so and and I I I know this isn't part of your but I this came up in our conversation. We're talking about traveling and I told you about that um green green space parking area at that one Walmart wherever I was in Sarasota
or whatever. Um just any of the uh ULDC people that are listening when we got to look at Redk again or at uh RU Vista maybe coming close. Um, you said something about median landscaping stuff and I think you covered that down low. Um,
you know, um, and the rest I think were just pretty much notes. Oh, the grants we we we talked about this a little bit as well. You know, most most if not all of the grants require shovel readings, right?
>> Well, and that's why it's important to follow a sequence. Exactly. So the more you, you know, a planning grant can get you ready to be shovel ready. And then after you do the planning grant, the next step is to go after what is generally called an implementation
grant. And so to go in a little bit more detail about that vulnerability assessment, that was the first step of a planning grant. Um because you have to have that before you can go after any resilient Florida grants. Then the next step would be to target. Okay, we want
to address the missing we and gates on on all the canals. Okay, that's that's our top priority from the vulnerability assessment. I'm just throwing out one of the you know one of the items in that that study. Um the next step would be go after the planning grant to figure out the engineering the details of how that
would happen. And then then the next step under the next funding cycle, you apply for um that that implementation grant, the the shovel ready part that you mentioned. Yes. >> And you spoke about like matching grants. >> Yes. >> And and and um you know I I I would say
and correct me if I'm wrong because you're more versed in this kind of stuff than I am. If you apply for a matching grant, you probably need to be ready to match, right? It's not a good course of business or practice to to say, "Oh, well, no, we can't do that."
>> Well, so exactly. I mean, one of the pieces is that I mean, as a small community, you do have some pl some grants that won't require it, right? Um, but many of them do, especially when you got to the implementation because if they don't if it shows a level of commitment from the town, um, that
you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak. Um there's a lot of grants out there that may not require a match. Um but then they can they can they can sometimes um you know well let's go after this because there's
there's it's money that's available. Well that can work if it's aligned with your goals. So but if it's not aligned with your goals and many of these that talk about actually building something in the end are going to require a match. So it's something to be prepared for when you're talking about your budget.
Thanks again. Appreciate it. >> Thank you, Vice May. >> We should uh if we could discuss those questions because that will answer some of my questions. You want to go first? The question? >> No, I we're taking council comments first. >> All right. So, you have to bear with me
for a little bit. You know, just a quick background. when I was an adviser to the World Bank and one thing they told me which I still remember they said the worst disasters are those that come very slowly
for example drought it's when it comes it changes little by little by little but when it happens it's too late so I'm going to go through this grant so please bear with me for a second I know my colleagues here had voted all five and everything but this is one of those
little technical issues if we don't pay attention one day we are all sitting here shouting okay so let's start with August 1st 2025 okay August 1st 2025 our
mayor at that time mayor Kaine signed this letter and said uh this was the letter to Florida Commerce and she signed it there was no vote she signed it unilaterally she was given that hour. Okay, that's not the issue. I'm not going
>> to be point of order. >> Okay. All right. Let's >> point of order. Madame Mayor, >> I'm going to >> Could you clarify that, please? >> Vote to pursue grants and I was authorized by council to sign it. >> Okay. All right. So, let's go through the letter itself. What the letter said was
uh please consider this funding request from the town of Lockahhatchee to support the development of a strategic southern boulevard corridor study. strategic southern boulevard corridor study. Okay. And then it says uh
subsequently although individual segments of this corridor have been addressed through blah blah the town has developed a comprehensive corridor strate uh strategy to address land use reinvestment etc. So under the proposed
grant project proposed project first bullet point establish a corridor reinvestment zone second bullet point I'm not reading the details of the bullet point advancing land use and zoning strategy third community fourth
which is my point here evaluating alignment with rural areas of opportunity so here is my question this was the original letter sent to Florida commerce This was the scope. I'm talking about these four bullet points. Did you evaluate alignment with rural area of
opportunity? >> So just a a point. This is the letter to pursue the grant. >> Um there is a scope document that has slightly different language. So I just want to make that that point clear. So that this some of this language um like
uh establishing I mean so this study does not establish nor does the scope of work establish >> which document establishes the scope of the study. There is a scope document um then that is I know this looks
>> um we can provide it to you if that's that's the would help clarify some of these questions >> and okay as a note please make a note they will provide a scope document okay let me continue on May 8th 2026 when I was elected on this dis I
and Joseph came along I immediately raised this issue to Miss Gardner Young and she's standing here and I'll ask her this. The town website stated Southern Bulloulevard corridor Southern Boulevard corridor is defined as Southern Boulevard to
collecting canal and we are exploring it said a business district for the southern boulevard corridor as defined above and I immediately objected to her and I said that's not the scope and did you correct the website Miss Gardner? Yeah, >> we did take that language out. So you
corrected the website. Thank you for that. On that website, town website which this public relied on. Uh there was no mention of comprehensive plan and I said add the comprehensive plan which you did. Yes, >> that is correct. >> Okay.
Uh I also asked you to send a follow-up letter from the acting town manager u correcting the scope because it was wrongly mentioned on the website. Did you send the letter yet? We sent the first letter. We did not send the the
additional letter just because of the timing of the grant. So, we just felt that it didn't make sense at that point because we were already dealing with it and all the documents that would be >> on the record. You changed the scope on the website, but you haven't informed Florida Commerce that our scope has been
clarified or changed yet. Correct. >> We have notifi we did notify the state, but it was not to the degree that you had requested us to do it. We did notify letter. >> Okay. So, let me ask again on the record. What is Southern Bolivar
corridor? What is it? >> So, I want to I guess I need to clarify regarding the grant. Right. So, as Jessica has stated is that the comprehensive plan defines that
commercial should be south of Citrus. However, the study, as we explained it with Florida Commerce, needed to address things such as transportation, drainage, which goes beyond the boundaries of what citrus would have. So we're not
necessarily defining the corridor as including areas above citrus but in the study itself we needed to address additional properties in order to ensure we were coming with a correct picture of how the area is operating today and
potential recommendations as we have done. >> Okay. So in geology physics anything everything affected everything right. So town of Los Angeles is affected by county. It's affected by the lake. It's affected by Florida. That's not my point. My point is you corrected on the
website the you said on the website I'm correcting southern boulevard corridor. You removed that language. Now you have clarified it. I want that language to be clarified on your PowerPoint presentation because nowhere it reads
what is that corridor and if you want to say other areas surrounding it defined affect this pocket of commercial that's one thing okay my next question uh there is something to be called public you uh public funds for public
benefit correct this is grant this is public fund correct So how did you decide to take some private land and other in your scope area if that's your definition to apply the public funds on
private lands what is your justification for that? >> So no so when you say applied public funds um I want >> you spent grant money on studying private lands. >> Sure. So we spent frankly very little
talking about the specific parcels. We spent an enormous amount of time talking about the rights of ways that those par parcels face. Um you know in our work we often do test private parcels for um you
know if a community is looking to change their code but that was not what you guys what the community expressed to us. So we spent very little time looking at those private properties and testing different development scenarios. Um we
really spent most of our time looking at those those rights of way. We looked at the private parcels to see what their future land uses are to look at what their zonings were. Um we took a snapshot of what uses are out there. um you know in that sense it was a it was a
factf finding information so that we can know what's um what land uses are adjacent to those rights of way that >> conclusion I know these are technical issue I'm sorry these are boring and too detailed but after studying all this and listening to
the residents because when this grant was actually approved lot of people came out and said why do we need to know the obvious and there was lot of uproar on RA or rural area of opportunity etc. And that opened the door for state to take
over our local home rule and that was a big uproar also. So I know I'm not going to get consensus on this dis here because people are vested in their decisions and all that stuff but if it was up to me I would say redo the whole
scope. Clarify it please upfront inform the public this is the scope inform Florida Commerce that this is the corrected scope and then send an updated presentation with that big bold line that the money you gave us for this scope has changed. This is the
definition of southern Bolvar corridor. This is commercial. This is public land. This is private land. So you're now tell you're now telling an entity that's been in business for over how long how many times are we going to do this? It it's ridiculous how many
times. >> Okay. Okay. So the point I'm making is we need to take a step back. I know there is a deadline. Clarify everything. scope the presentation, inform the public of this change completely, and
then have a proper discussion on sending them the report. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Councilman Stevens. Any comment? So, I I I believe a lot of the scope has been addressed in what was presented
tonight. And uh I do have a couple questions, Jessica, and and thank you for putting this together. It is hurting cats for sure. Uh I would like to seek um some support from the council on pursuing potential district
assessments. I think that's an interesting um result of what you guys found. I and I'm not sure what legally we'll toss it back to Curts over there. Um we we have as far as ability to do that. But so I
think that would be an interesting finding that we could probably act on. I know one of the other questions that was um brought up in our discussions, our personal discussion was impacts to B-ro um and I don't see any suggestion in design changes at that intersection to
limit northbound traffic going out of those areas. >> Yeah. So the the study is um is very long and I apologize that that wasn't included. So, I can come back um on on the 16th with those for the as part of a
presentation if that's desirable. Um but we did do an illustration of a a blong roundabout and some median improvements in on B- Road. Um along with some equestrian improvements um calling out
um the need for for signage and waiting spaces on both sides of the road. Um right now it's it's pretty disconnected. Um, and that falls under that umbrella of gateways. Um, I think that there's a lot of opportunity in the town to
announce the character um, not just on Southern Boulevard, but whenever you transition um, from a more um, commercial area into the heart of town um, that there be a a narrowing and landscaping and signage that that
announces that. So, that was part of um, the recommendation. Is there any funding in the the trail? Uh what did you call it? Was part of D. >> Yeah, the trail town is really a um there's no funding. Um no, it's just a a
promotional uh tool that can be there to again uh reinforce who you guys are. Um the fact that you already have a completed Sun Rail portion means that you wouldn't want to be seeking that funding anyways. It would really be more about um u improving that rightway and
the private properties along there. Um there can be there is a a trail um uh grant that we did include in the summary. I'm not recalling it off the top of my head, but that would be one to pursue to to look for um some some funding for actual trails. Um and that
it's a federal program. >> Yeah. And I'm I'm sure you've heard it. Uh it's been suggested multiple times about a linear trail um through the town. So, um I hopefully we can get that acted upon soon. So, I guess uh any questions now from the public that were
>> I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> One comment I wanted to make. Um, I just wanted to really thank you because you have remained professional >> and thorough and I fully acknowledge that we're a very passionate
group. Um, and that you have uh repeatedly answered the same questions over and over again with integrity. You've conducted this entire process with integrity. You've taken everyone's input and viewpoints and included them
in the finished product. And I I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. >> Of course, I appreciate it. I' I've I've really enjoyed getting to know Lockachi Groves. And so, um, it's been an honor that, Council Member Coleman. >> Yeah. Thank you, Anita. You said it a lot more eloquently than I was. I just
kind of I lost it. And I apologize, Mayor, for the outburst. It just it's I mean, um, Jessica, how many how many decades has Treasure Coast been doing this? Um, Treasure Coast was established in 1976, but I wasn't with them then.
>> So, yeah, I was I was too. That's right. When I moved here. So, I I guess my point is is is it's Treasure Coast is is is a planning organization that's full of engineers and planners, etc., and has been doing this for a long time. And you guys have
reporting schedule with the uh Department of Commerce, right? and you've met all those reporting criteria and have gotten no negative feedback from them. Correct. >> Correct. They they've um they've put there again there was some specificity in the in the the scope that they wanted
to make sure we checked and so we we've gotten all those checks. >> Okay. So they actually came back and said make sure you check these off and you send them further information and everything as far as the Department of Commerce who is issuing the grant is a okay. And this is the same this is the
same entity Carol that Karen that that took away our rule designation. Right. Right. >> Okay. So I just want to clarify that for the for the masses. So again Jessica thank you very much been accepted which means they did the only things that we have outstanding
which takes a lot longer is just the reimbursement invoices that we need to do. We did get one comment but we addressed that and they've already written back and say you're good. So, as we do, each one of these have deadlines like the mayor had asked before about what's the final deadline, which is the
19th. We do submit the documentation in order for them to come back to us to confirm. We're we're following the grant. We're following requirements. >> So, we're meeting all the requirements. Okay. Excellent. Thank you, ladies. Thank you so much to Treasure Coast. >> They're not done. They have other things to answer. >> I know.
>> Don't send them away. >> Thank you for from May. How's that, >> Vice Mayor Sud? >> Thank you. Just for the clarifying of the masses as my friend said I have absolutely no issue with treasure coast the problem lies with at that time
again not nothing particularly saying any person at that time the scope at that lobbyist at that time putting this all together and giving the direction that I don't think is in the best interest of town to protect our rural
zoning and our rural identity so I think Again, we need to clarify the scope, carefully, use the legal language, and then reconsider it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, public comments that need to be asked or questions, I believe, is what's being posed.
>> No, Madame Mayor, >> these are the submitted questions, right? >> I'm sorry, no public comment. >> So, regarding the submitted questions, I went through them um kind of quickly at the end of my presentation. Um there was a concern um that the study uh was
ignoring the 2025 amended comprehensive plan. Um as I mentioned it was absolutely not ignored. It was central. Um everything we heard from the community supported what was in that comprehensive plan. Um and we we rely on that for our recommendations.
Um, we also there was a comment regarding I don't Would you like me to read it or >> I I unless it's very specific that it sounds like you've answered the question already though, >> right? Um, there was a concern about relying on um uh the not relying on the
best available data. Um, as we mentioned, it was a very broad study and it was it's um in a six-month timeline. So we use the best available data um and all the publicly available data and all the previous studies including the comprehensive uh plan to use the
foundation along with the public input that we we received. Um and again there was a concern about the adopting a a misleading map the future definition of the southern boulevard corridor. This study does not adopt anything. Um, so
that was um I just want to make sure that's clear that the study doesn't doesn't mandate any town action. The town would need to adopt any of and there's several steps involved in any of the recommendations in the study. Um
the there's a concern that there would be a Bert Harris act. Um again we we haven't changed anyone's land uses um or zoning. So there is no case really for a a change in an investmentbacked um expectation at this point. Um or or do
nor do I see foresee one, but that's that's for the future to determine. Um not not from this study. Um and I just wanted to again clarify that none of the money there was confusion um maybe concern about improper sequencing and a mislication of state funds. Um none of
these funds are being used to reszone any properties. There's no money being funneled into any private properties. Um, this is for the public's purpose. This study is being delivered to the town council to the study um to to the community. It's not being delivered to
any one user. Um, and again, we we really focused a lot of the analysis on those those rights of way and use the private property just to understand the land uses. um the the when um you know some of the commercial properties, we did hear a lot
about how the circulation works in them um and how there could be some opportunities for maybe moving some existing commercial lands south of Tangerine. Um but that is the extent of of any discussions about the private
property. >> Thank you. >> And you said there's no public comments or questions? >> No. >> All right. Great. Well, we look forward to seeing you back in a couple weeks, barring the turnpike not getting you here. >> So,
>> thank you. That brings us to item seven and I think that is Mr. Curts. Um, this is an ordinance proposed ordinance number 2026-02,
an ordinance of the town council of the town of Lockachi Groves, Florida, amending article 155 site plans of part uh five development review procedures and requirements of the town of Lockache Groves Unified Land Development Codec by
modifying section 155-005 mandatory site plan approval clarifying that residential development of more than 20 acres regardless of the number or size of plots required site plan approval providing for conflict severability codification and an
effective date. Um it is before you on first reading. Uh this item comes out of uh the discussion that we had regarding plats. Um when the uh council amended
the platting procedure to make it administrative, uh the point was made that almost everything in town um uh is done with council approval in that all
commercial development um comes before you from a site planning perspective and it's based on the site plan that you will end up getting a a flat. Um, and so there was a request at
that time to clarify that uh parcels over 20 acres um in size used for residential purposes would also be subject to the site planning process. Under the current ordinance, the
language suggested that um you could subdivide without a plat um tw up to 20 acres um into as many as four lots. Um and so this ordinance is just an attempt
to clarify that uh if you have a residential piece over 20 acres um it would be subject to site planning approval as well. Um quite frankly, you do not have many um parcels
um of developed for residential purposes over 20 acres. But >> and to clarify, the council uh adopted the administrative platting per state statute. >> Yes. >> It wasn't our choice.
>> That's what I was gonna That's >> was not an option. >> That is correct. though >> it is not a it was not an option that was mandated because this just kind >> in Tallahassee. >> This kind of brings everything in sync though and makes everything solidifies everything that that we were forced to
do basically. >> It it clarifies I think what was always existing. >> Do do you have a question with your >> I'm going to make a motion. >> No. Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Yeah, we can have the motion. >> I make a motion to approve. >> That was but she can make it. We'll just go with the normal rotation here. [laughter]
I make a motion to approve ordinance 20262 on first reading. >> Seconded. >> Okay, we have a motion to approve uh by council member Kane. Ordinance 20262 and seconded by council member Holman.
Any other questions by council here? Public comments? >> No, Madame Mayor. >> Okay, we have a a motion to approve. All those in favor? >> I >> opposed. Hearing none, motion passes 5-0. >> And there is one follow-up question.
This is before you on >> I could have done that before I voted. Come on. >> I I don't Good for that. >> I don't think it'll affect the uh the vote. Um the question is, do you want this to be sent to U planning zoning
board for their review? Um it you have under your code, you have an option. When do they meet? >> They meet on Tuesday next Tuesday. >> Next Tuesday. >> Tuesday. >> Yes. >> And so that's why we held off on the agenda in case you wanted to send
anything to them uh from this >> I mean we can that still gives us time to bring it back for second in July. So any that's >> resistance to that. No, we're good. It it's not a matter of violating the
the way the code reads is um the planning and zoning board gets to review um proposed zoning text amendments when directed by council. >> Okay. >> So, yes, they should. >> Vice Mayor, did you have your light on?
>> Oh, yes. >> I said we should we should let them take a look at it. There's no harm. It's good that that's why >> they have a clean plate. Council member Kane, you've got your head on. Do they have other pending stuff that's more pertinent? >> I guess is my question. >> I don't think the agenda is extensive.
They've got the pillars to do. >> Yeah, it's the pill. Yeah, the pillars, the >> strategic plan. There's those pillars again. >> Um the rural definition items that you want them to bring bring back to the council. Uh so there it is a
heavy agenda but you know obviously they can prioritize and put this at the top since we want to get second reading in as quickly as we can. >> I think this is boiler plate >> and and we know the ulc is going to be seeing that other thing. >> Right. >> So >> I think this is boilerplate housekeeping. >> Council member Kane you had your light
on >> my opinion. I tried. So, so for clarification, the first reading just passed, but prior to us doing second reading, we'll have P&Z take a quick gander at it and just make
sure that they concur with our conclusion tonight, which is we really don't have a choice and this just clarifi this just >> tidies up something that needs to be tidied up, but brings things out of alignment. Correct. >> Um, well, you do have a choice with respect to to to this ordinance. the
platting ordinance was a requirement and it was out of the platting ordinance that you felt. >> However, one of our was a good idea. >> However, one of our constant problems is that we have things that don't match up that don't cross reference because of the ways the town the way the town was incorporated and things were set up, you
know, with the best of intentions, but things just were adopted from other municipalities and things like that. So, this would alleviate any possible confusion on that level. Correct. >> Yes, it is to clarify existing calls.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Brings us to item number eight. And I believe we have some votes here seated involving that. Thank you for your patience. Karen, take it away. >> You want to Jeff? Do you want to
somebody read it in? You want >> uh >> I I can read it, Madam Mayor. Thanks. >> Proposed resolution 2026-42, a resolution of the town council of the town of Luxahhatchee Girls, Florida, approving removal of specimen trees pod
B of the Groves Town Center Plat associated with the proposed Panda Express site plan providing an effective date. >> Thank you. Thank you, Karen Gardner Young on behalf of the town of Latch Groves. This is uh as we talked about in
the past, this is specimen tree removal that cannot be done without town council approval. On this particular item, it's two slash pines. Specimen trees are based upon the nature of the tree, the size of the tree, and the reason why they need this is because it is new
development. The applicant is here, and I will have them come on up and explain their position and why they need it. Council, >> thank you. If you could use the microphone. It's It's a little tricky. >> Got to talk really close to it. >> And don't lean on the podium because that
>> it will go up and down. >> Thanks. >> Uh Aaron Moore, CPH, agent for the applicant, uh 500 West F Street, Seph, Florida. Uh we are coming in for a vegetation removal permit. Uh part of that permit is going to be removal of
two specimen slashpine trees. Uh they are actually there are four there. Two died recently. We have a 14-in and a 15 inch I believe that are still present. They're kind of fair condition. They're kind of declining. Uh we must take them out for that
development to be approved for any development there. It's a very tight site. There is really no room to really keep much of anything. We can't keep, but we are trying to. the landscape plan itself has been reviewed uh and it's going to be coming in part
of the site plan approval and the PD uh modification which will be coming in I think next July 14th I think is the primary date we have that hearing. So really kind of straightforward. It's been uh confirmed by the town
consultants that it meets all the parameters level requirements and uh if there's any questions we'll be happy to answer it and do any applicant owner representative want to talk. No >> we do have owner representative too if you want more information for them as well.
>> Thank you. All right. I I think council member Coleman you had your light on first. >> Okay. I'm just I apologize, but you know, since I turned 42 and now I'm going to be 52 this year, these things are getting more and more necessary and
your site plan's really grainy. Um, how many palm trees do you guys have proposed on this site? So I'm trying to discern from my >> currently right now there are I believe seven or eight large palm trees and 26
small palm trees >> that are going to remain or >> they are relocating. Yeah, they're relocating I believe eight as part of the mitigation plan. >> The sable. Okay. >> Yes. C cabbage pal. >> Um yeah and it looks like these are located right in the middle of the
proposed building. Correct. Or at least one of them. >> The >> the two highlighted ones. No, it's I think that was a mistake on the presentation you got. There's one in the building pad itself and there's one out in the front, >> right? >> Uh toward Southern Boulevard. >> Oh, 1006 and
>> 1069. >> This is right next to this is between Culver's and um and the dentist. Correct. >> Correct. >> Right. The path of uh the illustrious Milton tornado. [laughter]
So has left its damage. >> So again, I can't So you're not proposing any like queen palms or anything like that, right? >> No. >> All native, >> correct? >> Foliage vegetation. >> Yes, we've been coordinating with staff
for the last year on getting a uh plan that the town would be happy with. >> Okay. Um well, the bu this is just the first step, right? The building's got to come >> correct. This is PTB. Sure. We'll see you guys a lot over the next four or five months. Uh but this is the first
step that's >> contingent on all those other approvals as well. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Council member Kane had your >> Yeah. So have a little concern. Um I I'm
wondering why you're bringing this forth not separately and not with the whole site plan. And I personally am not in favor of any trees being removed until the site plan is approved. We have a unfortunate history with developers in
our town um where they have practiced the policy of asking forgiveness instead of permission. So I'm concerned that this vote is going to be giving you permission to remove those trees prior to approval of the site plan. So I I
have a concern about that and I want to make sure that it's somehow very clear that no chainsaws are engaged until the entire site plan's approved. >> That is a condition of this approval. The vegetation removal permit will not
allow us removal until the site plan's approved. >> Okay. I just want to I just want to put that on the record and make it clear. So if something happens and those trees accidentally get cut down and on a Sunday afternoon that it's clear that that was not what this vote
>> I can't I can't stop lightning but uh yeah it won't be cut down. >> Just say I do believe that was brought up in our agenda review as well and correct Miss Gardner Young did speak to that. So uh any other questions council members? No. Um,
before I take any public comment, can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve resolution 2026-42, uh, specimen tree removal subject to site plan approval.
>> Uh, second, >> I'll second it just because it's fun, right? >> I forgot I'm supposed to say all that. My bad. Um, yeah, just I I So, we got a motion to second. I just these are two left out of six that were
dying or were four that were dying. >> So, you know, it's right where the path of the tornado went. I mean, again, nothing's going to happen until they get some kind of a permit to start, which requires a site plan
uh approval. And I just hope that they, you know, keep in mind the rule of Vista guidelines that are in existence right now, although they're a standard and not where we like them to be. Um, I know it's Panda Express, but you know, I uh I
visited the Walmart in Jupiter and you'd be surprised how much a developer can make a a Walmart box store look like a Key West house, right? So, with nice foliage and stuff. So, anyway, my soap box, I'm sorry. Well, we look forward to coming in front of you guys and see what we've done to it to make you guys happy.
>> Thank you. Uh, any public comments? >> No, madam mayor. All right. So, we've got a motion to approve. Um, and a second. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> I opposed hearing none. Motion passes 5-0.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. I'm sure PCB will enjoy seeing you as well. [laughter] >> Step one complete, right, guys? I got a lot on this one, Miss Lisa. >> Oh, she's she's right out of the gate. All right. [laughter]
>> Feel that Kentucky Derby action. >> I know. >> I have very good peripheral vision. >> We're on 11. >> We on 11. >> We are on nine. >> Nine. >> And this is to carry resolution 202643. Proposed resolution 202643,
a resolution of the town council of the town of Lockxahhatchee, Florida, approving removal specimen trees for property located at 15171 Williams Drive, providing an effective date. So, as in the last one, this is a
request for removal of four cypress specimen trees. Uh the requirement here is order to comply with an FDA that they have submitted. I believe the applicant is here in order to address any questions, concerns, and explain what
the need is. >> Good evening. Uh my name is Marcella Cresik and I'm here representing the owner uh for the property 15171 Williams Drive. So the quest request before the council is for approval of the removal
of the four specimen cypress trees located within the required storm water retention pond area associated with the approved flood plane uh development application. So the trees are within the footprint of the required storm water
management pond and on behalf of Mr. Robiss we respectfully request approval of the resolution. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any uh qu I'm sorry council member Kane. You were first up.
>> Okay. I am extremely confused because as I follow the trail of letters here, I find that there was a wetland that was filled in and that nobody's claiming jurisdiction over that wetland. So, how
can we authorize work in somebody else's jurisdiction? Is it DAP? Is it South Florida? Who is it? Who has jurisdiction? Because it it's kind of looks like it's one of these. what's being done to mitigate the wetland that was filled in. I mean, other people have
have paid a lot of money to mitigate the wetlands that they filled in. And now we're being asked to approve removal of trees in a wetland that was illegally filled in. So, I don't want to know who's doing something about the wetland that was filled in before we even
consider approving the removal of these cypress trees. Mr. Curts, can you address any of those questions? Um well my understanding is that uh this was not >> page 15 153 I believe it is
>> it was not an official wetland. >> Oh no no no nigh nigh that is not what the letters say. It says it was an official wetland but and that they don't have jurisdiction. Then later it says they they've sent a email saying, "Oh, no. Sorry, we do. Sorry,
>> Stace. The trees are not I'm I'm looking I was looking at the summary and the memorandum uh says that uh um the trees are not located in wetlands area and FDA concludes they do not have jurisdiction and u
>> and then later on in an email they say they do have jurisdiction. I but I don't care whether the trees are or not in the wetland. What are we doing approving anything on a property even in FDA where a wetland was filled in and nothing was done about it. Other people have paid
dearly for filling in wetlands in town. And we we didn't we just took a vote what a couple of weeks ago that we didn't want to let conservation easements be bought off. And now we're letting a wetland just the filling in of a wetland just be like, "Oh well, so what?
So, as you can tell, I strongly oppose this. So, that's all I'll say my say. I don't know whether we need to look into it more or whatever, but I strongly oppose this. I think you need to we need to figure out who has jurisdiction over that wetland and get that res that issue resolved first and then we can talk
about removing trees. >> Thank you. Uh, Council Member Coleman, your lights on. Yeah, I I ditto to what Anita said just for edification purposes. Um
it says it's located in in where they want to put a retention pond. >> Yes. >> Which is a lowlying area anyway. So why would we why unless you know unless they're not low already, which it sounds which Cypress inherently are low. So, I don't understand why they would have to
be disturbed to be, you know, if they're in a retention area as well. Anyway, so >> um um yeah. >> So, was this was this a vacant lot before or did we clear the lot? >> Vacant. >> Demo the house or >> No, it was vacant.
>> It was vacant. >> Okay. >> I see there's an existing building in the back. I can't tell if that's the north west corner. I don't know what the orientation of Williams is. >> It was like a shed or it's like a shed or something.
>> It's a shed that is basically almost on the property line. So there's there's no agricultural classification on this property >> and >> would the shed be taken down >> um because it
wouldn't be allowed. And then there's a proposed shed in addition to this on the site as well. Um, I I again I defer to Paul's eyeballs. Um, >> I'm trying. >> You need bigger glass. You need my giant magnifying glass. >> It keeps I keep it in one page.
>> And and I think many of us had the same questions of if this is a low low retention area. The trees that exist there, they grow in these footprints unless you're digging a hole. So, um, yeah, I defer to my fellow council
members on this. So, uh, public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. But may >> Sud can can you tell us a little bit about yourself? How long you have in town and what do you want to do on this land? When did you buy this property? >> It's not me. I'm just representing. >> Okay. You're the represent. Okay. You're a client.
>> Yeah. I'm kind of like a project manager. >> Can you use the microphone, please? >> Okay. Just for the people. >> So, I'm just like a project manager and the order couldn't make it. So, I'm here to help out. >> Okay. Honestly, though, we're building a
home there and >> everything else got approved except the trees in there in a way. >> Everything else got approved. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Flood plant, the site plan, everything. You're the last.
All right. I I think we probably need to hear from staff on that. So, >> yeah. >> Thank you, ma'am. If you you can stand nearby in case there's another question. Thank you. Um, I know the FDA hasn't been approved because obviously this is a condition of
the FDA. So, at this point, they couldn't build without getting without getting the FDA finalized. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Oh, he approved it. Oh, >> well, I'll have to talk with him. I'm sorry. I wasn't understanding that it
wasn't approved yet. >> To change the shed a little bit and that's it pretty much. I spoke with you and I thought he would have >> I have questions about that. >> Yeah. So do I. [laughter] >> All right. >> I see our public works director is also
>> contemplating what that means. So [laughter] we >> both are. >> All right. So I I think this needs to probably go back and and get some more clarification. >> Um I I'm not sure public comment would um still want to speak, but
she's waving off. So, uh, do I have direction from councel to yes, send us back? >> Absolutely. >> I want to know the full history of the wetland. >> Okay. And then we do have some other public comments as well. >> Yes, madame mayor. The first comment card we have is Joe Sisiano. >> She's waving or you can
>> wetland. >> You need to speak into the mic. >> Josephiano, 1530 B Road. I mean, you guys all know this. I mean, a you wetlands and conservation, those are my hair triggers and and a wetland for your
information for you to pass on to your owner is water retention. That's what specimen trees do. That's what cypers do. They suck up storm water and they help your property not to flood.
So taking those trees away is completely the opposite of what it is I think you're trying to do. Okay, that's my public comment to the gal. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Just you >> public comment. Another one.
>> Oh, sorry. We got another one. >> And and the final card, Madame Mayor, is Cassie. Cassie Suchi. >> Thank you. >> While they're on their way, you asked me to like look closer. I don't think that's just a simple like rolloff shed. >> I don't think so.
>> It's got a hip roof. It's not. Yeah, it's not. >> Cassie Suchi, I'm glad we have a lot of Loraxes in the audience. So, good. >> Um I just had a question. Um I my concerns is these FDA requirements, you
know, we finding out maybe they aren't necessary. I did a whole bunch of stuff on that. There's a lot of questions on it. I learned in the treasure coast about retention bonds don't have to be these perfect squares. I agree with Joe Joe and all of you. Cyprus like water.
So why do we have to take them out? Isn't that a low area? So I just wanted to point that out too. Maybe the FDA I don't know when it was approved. Um but maybe it's not necessary looking at the picture on the agenda that it has to be this big square area.
We have to remove cypress trees. Council member Coleman. >> Yeah, sorry. Um, yeah. So, as I was looking back, it was like, you know, um, >> but it Yeah, this thing was cleared it started getting cleared. That
building was built somewhere around like so far back as 2020. Oh, there was a little tiny uh popup tent there in 19. Um, yeah. I don't understand how, and no offense to Gary, but I don't understand.
Oh, just move the shed because it definitely looks like something bigger than a shed, >> but that's a building issue, not a FDA issue. >> Well, and it appears there's been clearing on the property as well. I don't know when that happened prior to this owner or or whatnot, but I do think
staff needs to come back with more explanation and >> and apparently there's an FDA. And I I agree with Miss Suchi that you they don't have to be rectangular or squares or >> I don't think this is a rectangle. No, but it's not it's not as literal as it >> creativity of the who's designing it.
>> True. Uh and I think I think some answers to the D question on the wetland also need to be brought forward as well to satisfy council. >> So, mayor, I have three items. I have the full history of the wetlands, who has authority over the wetlands, and is
there a reason why the cypress can't survive within the water retention? >> Correct. >> And what the actual ruling on the approval is. >> Well, and I I think the existing shed and the setbacks on that, are we we waving that? I mean, I think there's a lot of questions on this lot that could
have been better prepared for this presentation tonight. So, we will wait to see it again. >> Okay, good. >> We need a motion to pay. I don't think so. And if if wetlands have been filled in already.
>> Well, there's clearly >> then we whose whose jurisdiction is that? Who's going to handle the mitigation? Right. Yeah. There was no tree mitigation either. There's a lot of trees over there. >> Right. >> There's a whole >> lot that's part that's part of the
vegetation removal and how the specimen trees came to the existence. So, we're aware of the clearing and that's what what generated this comments. >> I think a motion to table would be appropriate since you >> I I didn't hear a motion or approve.
>> Okay. But didn't we just say we want it brought back without make a motion to table it with till further information is provided. >> So, there's not a public notice on this. So, continuing it to a specific date is not necessary. >> I think whenever staff has it ready um
is fine. So, we have a motion. >> Show time certain just whenever you guys get back to it. >> Uh motion to table uh item 9 resolution 2026-43 uh by council member Kane, seconded by council member Coleman. All those in
favor >> I >> opposed hearing none. Motion passes 5. >> We look forward to hearing more. Just for edification, Wonderound just told me we're in severe weather war, >> meaning it's going to rain.
>> Is it going to have a name? >> Yeah, I know. Give it a name. >> We're not giving it a name. >> The silence was killing me. I had to break it. Sorry. >> No. Item number 10 was pulled by staff. So that brings us to item number 11.
Item 11 is the update on the school uh on the funding for school crossing guards and our obligation to provide those um crossing guards. We're still in discussions with the um sheriff's office about
the requirement of the town um whether there is one to provide those crossing guards. Um, as indicated in previous discussions, the crossing of the road appears to occur um outside of the
town's jurisdictional limits. Um the the actual determination as to the necessity um is usually done um from a uh request and this may be a historical request
from um a uh a parent or the school district. And uh the way it works is the jurisdiction um the local jurisdiction that's involved um gets together with the uh police department and the school
district and makes recommendations. I have not found yet um anybody who has been able to tell me when that determination was made. I suspect it was made um during the time period in which the school was uh in unincorporated um
Palm Beach County, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Um and the sheriff has not yet been able to um discern the origin of that um uh that crossing guard. And in
addition, there are two crossing guards that are involved on site. um and they are apparently having to deal with the bus loop area according to the principal. So anyway, we're still looking into the the mandate for this
and whether it's warranted. Um and we have also uh taken a look at um contracts for uh school crossing guards that um other municipal mun municipalities have bid out. So that if
it is necessary for us to do so, we would be in a position to piggy piggy back on that. Um the piggyback price is approximately $31 per hour and it's somewhere between probably
three and four hours um per guard per day. Um, so, uh, that estimate that I had given you of something on the order of 70 to $80,000 is relatively accurate. Um, but we continue to look at it and we
would suggest that this be brought back uh for determination in July when we have more concrete information. >> Thank you. Any questions from council? Oh, hi council member Kane. Lights on. Looking up. >> Yes, I have some questions. I'd like to
add to the question cue that you're trying to get answered over there. So, um, I got some information that there are 81 total crossing guards in the unincorporated area. Five of them are assigned to Laha Groves Elementary. So,
what I'd like to know is who's been paying for them for the last 20 years since before we were incorporated because we haven't been paying for them. It wasn't part of our contract. So, we haven't been paying for them. So, is that the county that's been paying for them? And if so, am I to understand that
the county commission is pulling their funding for these crossing guards? So, I mean, you see the connection I'm making there. I'm not sure. >> And I'm not sure from a funding perspective whether or not when you're in unincorporated Palm Beach County, it is something that is just assumed by the sheriff's office and part of their
general budget or whether um if the school was in the municipality and had people servicing it, there would be a charge. looking for the answer to those questions, but apparently our five crossing guards are lumped into the 81 in the unincorporated area and then
assigned to us from that grouping. So my to understand that we're losing that funding. The other thing I did was um I had uh I was unable myself, but I had somebody who I trust pretty well go out and um observe um I had actually asked I
had actually called you Jeff and asked you on Thursday saying there's two more days of school. Do you think you can talk to Valerie and maybe get somebody from staff to go out and see what the crossing guards do and how many of our of actual locks go residents this
affects. Um, and so you guys were unable to get it done. I did get it done and here's what my statistics found out. There are not four, although there's five crossing guards assigned to us. Apparently, there's only supposed to be four on duty at any given time. Last
Wednesday, there were three. Um, two of one of them was standing in the staff parking lot. One of them was in the bus loop and the other one was at the intersection of 162nd, which is where people cross, which is also not our road. It's an IT road, so it's not even
in Lockxahhatche Groves. At that 162nd crossing, two people crossed with that crossing guard. One was a child alone, one was a child with a parent. Zero children came up Okachobee Boulevard out of
Lockxahi Groves and went in to Lockxa Goes Elementary. Zero on foot. >> Zero children came up Okachobee Boulevard. So that's just a little bit extra information for everybody to have as we look at this uh situation. And uh I'm
also interested I know that when we were doing our agenda review that uh Mr. Sud mentioned that he had had a conversation with Colonel Coleman. So, I'm interested in hearing about that conversation. >> Council member Coleman, you had your line on. >> Yeah, I was just
reiterate what Anita said. It's 160 seconds the only crossing that's happening. And if it's the school board needs crossing guards on their property, I mean, why? Again, I'm not above keeping people safe, but I mean, and
that's just a basic need anyway. So again, why is that not covered under our base contract? I don't understand why that's affected by any premium contract here or there. >> It never has been. >> I know that's Yeah. >> Well, I think uh if anything's been revealed recently, it's that these
contracts vary greatly and some pay for school crossing gardens and some do not, >> right? I mean, Royal Palm, they they contract some. I mean, they you know, I think the ones across Okachobee and Royal Palm Beach Boulevard, um you know, one of our residents >> away from the school area. Yeah, that's yeah, it's away from the school area is
contract. I think Wellington contracts some, you know, because they have the need. We don't have people crossing Okachobee inside our town borders, you know, etc. >> I do I I don't want to leave the impression that the um sheriff's office
has been um dismissive of our concern. they're still trying to to figure it out and they are working with us and um they do believe this is a somewhat unique situation for them and so we're in those discussions to see um who should pay for
this and uh as has been pointed out whether it's really warranted or not is uh another question that we want to verify before we enter into any agreement to pay for anything. >> Okay. Thank you, Vice Mayor Sue.
>> Okay, so thank you uh colleagues. I I met with Colonel Coleman and I want to appreciate his time and his team to uh give some information that I requested. Now let's come back to the school issue for a second and uh I appreciate my
friends certainly becoming experts on public safety and gauging what is needed for crossing guards or not on one day of their observations but I I'm going to focus our attention on some bigger issues here. What we are seeing here are
the ripple effects from the PBSO dispute. >> May May I inter No. May I interrupt it just for this moment? This is about the school of crossing guard. >> School. Talking about school >> because you you will have a chance to dive deeper when we get to your comments. >> I'm talking about school how this relates to school safety.
>> Okay. >> PBSO informed the town that school crossing guards who they previously absorbed within the broader contractual relationship may no longer continue. And this creates an additional cost of $60,000 annually
for our local taxpayers. This is just a start. But I also want to draw your attention to some data that they shared with me which is very concerning for our parents, kids and residents of this community.
According to the data provided and I shared that data with the town acting town manager who shared it with pack and all of you here on the committee on sorry on this council traffic crashes in our area have increased by 20%.
The traffic stops have decreased by 56%. In other words, people are speeding more on Okichchobee Boulevard, which concerns me as we have multiple schools and crossing and these trends are getting serious and this is concerning to our
parents and their schoolgoing children. So again coming back we are going to talk about PPSO in detail in a little bit but I think proactive law enforcement is not just about writing
tickets it's about visibility deterrence school zone safety and preventing tragedies before they happen and this is reinforcing which I have said consistently public safety is not merely about paying for five deputies it is the entire infrastructure partnership that
involves response capacities, school safety, ordinance enforcement, visibility, backup, etc. So, I continue to believe that our commercial corridor and highintensity business areas should of course contribute more, but that's
not a reason to cancel the PBSO contract. So as we are looking at this school issue, my humble request to my colleagues is to reconsider engaging with PBSO in good faith because this is bigger than politics, contracts or
personalities. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Um let's keep it to the subject at hand. >> Yeah. Um, none of the above. And I would assume that inside the school zone, that increase in traffic activity was not
inside the school zone because everybody is slowing down inside the school zone. So that you know that school zone exists. So maybe that we have there's increased you know the the population of Palm Beach County has increased um exponentially since in the last seven
years. So I I again I think this is we uh Mr. Curts is working with uh the council of PBSO to kind of dig in and find out where and when and etc. And I think until we get more information it's you know that's where we're at. So >> thank you. >> Thank you
>> vice >> there is a speeding camera on the school which is no longer enforced and the data just indicate that intensity of accidents and intensity of issues are increasing. So, please let's look at the
data. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, so that we'll be seeing that back as you get more information. All right. And we have a public comment on this item. >> Yes, madame mayor. Um, the only comment card you have is Cassie Suchi. >> Thank you,
>> Cassie Suchi. Um, I had the same idea watching your agenda review as Anita and I went out to the school and I got pictures. Yes. Um I saw three crossing guards. Uh somebody said there was one inside the
bus loop on school district property staff parking lot. >> Yes, which is my understanding talking with somebody that staff takes turns AM and PM doing bus loops. So why is a town paying for a school crossing guard on school district property? That's one
question. I saw two at 162nd in Okachobee in the county right away and one at East Whitten and 162nd in the county right away. >> Two days in a row. >> Thank you. >> Thanks.
>> Thank you for going and supporting my data. I certainly appreciate it. >> Two days. Thank you. All right. We'll look forward to hearing more on that. Brings us to uh item 12. I believe uh Mr. Lowour is going to be presenting the update on this.
Hold on. >> Forgot what you were trying to tell me. Cassie, I get it now. [laughter] >> Did a great job. >> All right. So before you we have um presentation or not presentation, so it's a discussion for the closure of
Loxachi A and Tangerine. um drive right there. Um it was brought to our attention by multiple council members. Mr. Coleman had brought it up at one of the council meetings that he would like to move forward with possibly closing the the avenue. Um we did a study on it.
We had one of our employees sit out there and do a traffic study of vehicles coming off Southern going into the the southern lawn. Um vehicles coming from lockache a resident side crossing to southern just people coming
from southern going in. Um we have where we're presenting is direction from council. All the information is in front of you for the study. Um, we didn't see a massive amount of vehicles coming out of Southern Lawn
going to a as we thought we would. I really didn't see that ma that massive amount that would affect the residents. We did not see any large trucks going that way, any large major trailers going that way. Um, this is a direction from
you guys. You know, we take your direction and move forward. it is. We put a dirt burm up to block the road off. We can just kind of makes the obstacle for kids on four-wheelers. Easy. The other option is we put a yellow gate up. We put a guardrail from
property line to property line. We make it where it's accessible for emergency access for ourselves, um, fire department, and the police department. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. I have council member Kaine was first.
She [laughter] she hit the button before I even sat down. >> Pretty much so soon. >> Go ahead. >> Uh, okay. So, I I I really don't have any dog in this race. Okay. I don't really
care one way or the other whether we close it or not. Um, but I think that if it is going to lessen any of the impact on Tangerine that it's a good idea. But with that being said, I seem to remember in the deepest, darkest recesses of my
memory that because it's so close to 80 and affects traffic that FDOT had to sign off on it when Southern Lawn's um >> Yeah, Southern Law had to do it FDOT. So my question is,
>> if we close it, does FD do have to sign on that? And will Southern Lawn have to close until FDOT signs? You get what I'm saying? You get the madrum that I have here. So, and if Southern Lawn is closed for even one day,
>> Robbie will Robbie will hang me. Okay. Plus, it's an impact to the business. So, [laughter] >> so if you could please find out before we make this decision so that we know, as Mr. suit said there's sometimes ripple effects and a whole larger impact
if we're going to be impacting this business and if we have to consult with FDOT. >> Thank you. Council member Coleman, I believe you were next. >> Yeah. Well, I believe FDOT had to sign off on their site plan. Their site plan has them turning south >> out of there, not north. Um, and and I,
you know, I've witnessed, you know, no offense to those in the in the audience, but I've witnessed their van front truck, you know, you know, come turn left off of Tangerine and go up to light on D- Road. I get it. It's a pain to go
down to to Dro and make a U-turn or, you know, and and to go back east on Southern. I, you know, I, no offense, I didn't pick the property. I mean, so yeah, DOT had to sign off on that because the, you know, the eg the
ingress of um traffic on traffic patterns. Thank you. So, you know, it's not we're not picking or nothing like that. I think it's going to lighten the load >> overall. This was what, one day, Craig, did you guys count it? >> Yes, sir. >> I mean, I don't I don't think we need to >> do multiple days of study. I mean, one
one day is going to be different than the next. I mean, >> correct. >> You know, >> this was midweek. >> Midweek. So, I mean, they could have had deliveries on Monday and Thursday that day and you went on Wednesday. I mean, >> yes, sir. >> This is just a a way to solidify that
Tangerine Corridor with with those residents and keep similar to what we did with the back of the storage unit. Correct. >> Right. They got the gate back there. It's there for emergency access, you know, and and that's what it's there for. So, there's an emergency access gate over on the on the the west side.
that that gate, you know, fire rescue can have a key to the gate. We'll have a key to the gate, you know, at the end of the road there. Um I like the gate better than the dirt b because like you said, the kids are just going to be riding four-wheelers on it. >> Um >> it was my favorite thing as a kid.
>> Yeah, mine too. So, um but that's uh that's my two cents for now. So, thank you for coming back with us. I appreciate it. >> You're welcome. >> I'm sure the residents appreciate it, too. >> Thank you, uh Council Member Stevens. I can stay quiet all night long, but when you get down there, man,
>> I saw it every time. Your >> eyebrows picked up. You picked up your eyebrows. >> I was bean mugging you sitting right here. I'm waiting on this question. >> Absolutely. >> Come on. >> Three things. Uh, what are we hearing from the residents on Tangerine and everything? Right. >> Um, there are a couple of residents here
to make comments as well. They And the actual property owner of the the business is here as well to make their own comments as well. And I'll leave that at madam mayor's discretion >> because we did send out a notice as you all asked. We sent out a notice, gave him a week's notice before this meeting.
We put notice on front of every single property that was in that whole corridor area. >> Well, I I see him coming to and from town hall because that's my cheat way. That's because I can't get >> So, it's you we're counting traffic on. >> Yes. Yes. I can't get down my collecting
number because it's kind of Anyway, >> um to you know, if we do more with this, I love the idea of of the safety for emergency vehicles. I know that's a little more of expensive approach per what I do my homework, but >> yeah, I don't want to put anybody at risk. And then three, as I just
indicated, driving by there several times, I'm looking and I'm thinking to myself, well, where would we put that block? Then I started channeling my 16-year-old self with a brand new driver's license. Excuse me. And I'm thinking, man, that's a good hangout place. All of a sudden, that's a good
place to hang out or extra parking or loadering or whatever you want to call it. >> That empty lot has been a local hangout. >> It's already a dead body in there once, Joe. >> Well, man, now I'm depressed. Okay.
>> No, talk about skeletons, aren't you? >> Oh, man. All right. Well, I got to hear that story sometime. >> In the closet. >> Okay. I want to hear that story down the road. I'm sure. Okay. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. >> Just a little history. We used to make the news a lot in the day with bodies and canals and like
>> all kind fox. Is that it? >> Is that on our road? >> B road tangerine to be specific. I >> I believe Tammy Hog wrote a book that had a body right here on B road. So is correct. >> Yes, we >> lots of colorful people have been through our our town. >> Imperial killer.
>> All right. Vice suit. >> Okay. Uh when this business was approved, what was the expectation? Where what was the expectation in their so-called approval? Where will that traffic go? Was there an expectation they will have the traffic in that road or that was not allowed when they were
approved? you know, the their traffic um when we for the approval of the I want to say it was the previous council >> site plan >> the for their site plan that um they asked of myself and the engineer to go out there and meet with the property owner as we did and to give them the
best solution of how we can get traffic to not go that way without putting a blockage up. And the best solution was is we asked the property owner to put in um turn lane markers. the turn markers plus turn uh turn signs at multiple
through the whole area to try to deter traffic from going left. There was no there was a everyone asked about a pork chop in the area. There was no room for a pork chop. The the road was not big enough for it. >> Yeah. >> So the the best solution with the town engineer was is we can give them turn
lane and their turn lane was made to go right. >> Okay. >> Have they complete have they fulfilled all the promises that they made to the town? like have this like you said. >> Yes. For what we asked of them, they immediately did it when right after myself and Gary sent them an email to
ask him for it. >> So when you express these concern to the business, what was their response? >> They they are here to speak to themselves on that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. They reached out with their attorney. So >> Council Member Coleman, >> again, this is nothing against the business, right? I just want to be make
that clear. This is nothing against the business. I have frequented your your operation when it was east um before you guys had it, the previous owner. I I I went there at the new location the other day. It's beautiful. Um it's just about keeping and listen, you can't stand
there and and and stand there and make sure every customer pulls right out of there and every delivery driver pulls right out of there. It's just a safety factor for the residents that are along Tangerine. I talked to my frier lives back on on Citrus just off of Locks, you
know, just east of Lockxahhatchee. I said, "How what do you think about this?" He goes, "It doesn't upset me cuz I go this way or I go I'll go this way if I have to. Um he rides his horse down through there all the time. Other folks ride their horse down through there." So, I think it's just a way of kind of
solidifying that corridor and that's all. It's nothing against y'all. And if that's the way it came out before, I apologize. It just was like this is a matter of fact and I think we need to take care of it cuz there's some you know there's some grandkids running around over there and there's some other
youngans running around you know and it's just you know that's all that's all it is. No nothing's against southern lawn. So thank you. >> So so uh I'm leaning toward a gate because to me a burm is a dirt bike magnet. Yes. >> So >> well they're dirt bikes right that all
the above. Do we have any cost estimates on on one of those? Um, we have acquired one quote. Um, I'm waiting for the other two to come in because it is over our our spending. So, we'd have to go over for three quotes for a pay. >> Okay. >> So, I can't give you the exact >> We didn't have that stuff you thought we
had. >> Do we have a a one quote that we can >> The one quote that we have is just at like $2,500 just for the gates. The town has um acquired >> 25,000. >> No, sir. >> 2500. >> 2500 just for the for the two gates.
town staff will install the gates. Um the builder will just build them. And then for the guardrails, we are reusing the guardrails that we removed from collecting in FOD. We would reuse that whole all those guardrails and the post right there.
>> Okay. So the only external cost would be the gates at 20 would >> be the gates and and staff time. >> Well, external cost. >> Yeah. Well, external, sorry, ma'am. Gate >> gate manufacturer. So, why do we have to go to a PO? Three bids.
>> Anything over $1,000. That's right. I'm thinking >> three quotes and go to threshold. My bad. Sorry. >> Correct. >> All right. I I do believe we have public comment on this item. >> Yes, madame mayor. We have three comment cards on this matter. The first person is Alicia Lewis.
>> Good evening. Can you all hear me? Okay, good. My name is Alicia Lewis and I represent Southern Lawn um or Locks Holdings. I provided some commentary, just some bullet points, um, to discuss why we don't believe this is the best traffic calming measure for this area. Um, initially, I'd just like to have you
focus on on just what the code requires currently. So section 100-045A88 um of your land development code says that a turnaround is any local roadway that does not include an intersection of another roadway shall provide a
turnaround of adequate dimension as determined by the town engineer to allow for the successful maneuvering and redirection of large vehicles such as emergency service and refu collection um vehicles. So if you are to close um
Lockxahhatchee Avenue, you have to ensure that there is enough dimension for a turnaround. And as it currently sits, there is not enough space for a emergency vehicle, a truck that's coming in off of the um off of Southern to be
able to turn around if they run into um this dead end that you're going to essentially create. Um, additionally, uh you are correct. Um there were two council members, excuse me, that mentioned that FDOT and the county must be um also consulted. And though there
was a traffic study that was done for the site plan of my client, that traffic study was not based on what these conditions that would would be created are. So that would require a modification of that traffic study to make sure that you're not creating traffic that's going to possibly in the
future back up onto Southern Boulevard. So these two things um one the turnaround that your your code requires and the confirmation that there's adequate dimension for that turnaround and that can't impede in the existing FOD easement along Tangerine. So you would literally need to ask FOT to
impede on their easement so that you had the proper circ circulation I'm sorry and radius. Um, and then you would also have to consult FDOT again because you're impending, I'm sorry, impeding on the potential access and stacking that could be created on Southern Boulevard
for that access not continuing on to Tangerine. Um, though I do understand the concerns of residents and wanting to ensure that, you know, this area doesn't um that additional traffic isn't created in this area. Um, I think you're creating another safety issue by closing
a road that's that's has direct access to a major um, rightway. And, um, I don't think you're fully exploring all of the potential traffic calming measures that could actually provide a better solution for the issue. So, um, with that said, I would like to ask that
you reconsider closing the road and give us some time to have more discussions about additional traffic calming measures because closing a road is such a definitive choice um, that may not solve all these problems and could create several additional problems and loitering around that store area by
making it even more enclosed space. Now, that could impede the business as well for them being able to have safety for their customers um, during their business hours. So, I I'm not here to give a full presentation or anything. I just wanted to speak on behalf of my client, but um thank you so much for
your time and we would really love the opportunity to find a better solution. >> Thank you. >> The next card, Madame Mayor, is um Robert Shaw. >> Thank you, Madame Mayor, Town Council, Robert Shore. Um, I was the one vote
against this project and it wasn't because the business and, you know, I love the business and what it stands for. It was because this exact reason. Um, it got pushed through pretty quick. But I thought Tangerine should have been
made a retention area and the business should allow exit to the west to go to Dro so they could use the light instead of trying to make U-turns out on Southern Boulevard. It just makes no sense. And I
can't believe that this situation of you working on trailers, trucks and trailers, big rigs that were forcing them to go out that way and try to make a U-turn. Um there's no houses east of this
property on Tangerine. There's a school tower. There was that area has very little. There's a vet there. There may be one or two houses, but I don't know if it's a possibility to
let them do that, but at the time we needed retention that area. It was flooding that road and I thought this is a great place make Luxahhatchee retention area. Bring them in off southern, let them go through their lot, let them go out to the west and catch
the light at Dro. It just made perfect sense to me. But it was fasttracked and I was just one vote against it. And uh unfortunately we're in a situation now where they're doing exactly what they're allowed to do. And she made a great
point. Our code says what it says about a dead end road. If you build one today, you got to put a T or a circle in the end to allow garbage trucks to turn around. All the big trucks and all that stuff. It's right there in the code. So
by blocking that off, you are creating that situation. So maybe there is some other options. I hope so because it just makes sense to go to west and use the light. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And madame mayor, the final card I have
is Lisa Cruz. >> Yeah. >> Under protest and I can't talk in public. I >> think you say that every time it's gonna happen. Um, Lisa Cruz, Tangerine, the road that
the town forgot, but um, I love Southern Lawn. I have nothing against them whatsoever. It's not about them. Um, there is traffic. Some days it's good, some days it's not. There are semis that go down our road, and we already deal
with the the garbage trucks that fly and the school buses that go 60 miles an hour down our road. We could get back to our seats. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you everybody. >> They're making that happen.
>> Yeah. back on again. >> Where were we? >> Le [laughter] talk the full three minutes. Make her three minutes. Um, I don't I was not aware that there had to be like a turnaround or something,
which makes sense. So, it's not that I necessarily want the road closed. I think we just need something because we when when there's an accident on Southern, we're the main thorough affair and the traffic is horrible. So, additional traffic coming from Southern
Lawn doesn't help. Like I said, some days you don't see anybody and then some days there's a lot. Um, by the way, my nephew is the one that found the dead body. And if you were to put dirt, my grandchildren would love it. >> But that's not going to happen. But
anyway, that's really all I had to say is that I don't know what the solution is. But there needs to be something for Tangerine to make us safer. And when they build on the east side of Locks of Hatchee, then what's going to happen? Because they are going to build. We
already know that. We're not dumb. So then you've got traffic coming from both sides. If there's a parking lot or whatever, people are then there's going to be more people and then what happens to Tangerine. So maybe we don't have to worry about that right now, but in the future we
will. So that's just my thoughts. Maybe we can come up with some kind of solution. Put ballards or whatever. I don't know. But that doesn't solve the turnaround thing. So that's all. Thank you. Um question.
So one of the big concerns that was brought to us by another commercial um driver that we had encountered was if a large vehicle were to truck and trailer were to come down there and we do close that off. How are they to turn around to get back out right now? If if we did
close it, they would have to back out into Southern Boulevard to turn around. Yeah. One of the things on the turnaround that we probably need to explore is um this road, Lockxachi Avenue, is actually a platted road. Um and it does have 50
feet in right away there >> which is different than most of our roadways and there might be able to be some sort of accommodation um put in for the turnaround >> and signage would be provided that it's technically a dead end. No, no, no exit.
I mean, if we put a turnaround, a 18 wheel, you know, >> 40 foot 18 wheeler is not plus track tractor is not turning around at a little turnaround in the back, you know, like I mean, it's >> regardless what our co I mean, I hate to say it like that, but regardless what our code says, you're not spinning an
18-wheeler around even in 50 ft. >> I'd also be interested. I mean, it sounds like the business owner has some other ideas and I mean, they're intimately familiar with the site. So, I'd be interested in perhaps putting this on a future agenda and having them
come back with some of the ideas that they have as well as some ideas that staff might have that, you know, other solutions. >> We're still waiting for estimates. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this was this was meant to be a discussion on the matter, right? So, a discussion slash direction.
>> I have a question. Just as something that was said, where does FD do have a easement on Tangerine? >> That actual retention pond is FDOT's retention pond. >> Oh, that's a retention pond. >> Yes, that is behind Southern F between
lawn and >> end of the road, etc. >> Cuz DOT property goes all the way up to the actual property owner fence line, >> right? >> That that sidewalk is DOT, >> right? So, but we have that 50ft easement.
>> Correct. >> Right. So, it's is it >> so our road our 50 foot is Yeah. From center of road 2525. >> Okay. All right. So, all right. >> That would be unlock tangerine. >> The idea is to have a conversation. I
mean, you know, look, you know, we get down the road. I mean, if conversations had with the with the drivers, etc. I mean, listen, I I I battle on a regular basis an 18-wheeler coming across that bridge in front of the public works, >> you know, all day long, right? Yep. >> You guys deal with it trying to get the
grater out, you know. >> Um I pulled up one day and a guy's parked on the bridge, >> right? And I'm like, >> and he goes like this. I'm like, where are you going, dude? You're like parked. I got I got to leave, you know? Um so, yeah, it's Yeah, it's a conversation.
So, thank you for your presentation. not present discussion discussion. Thank you guys for being here. Um I'm I'm sure that the you know the residents of Tangerine and East Citrus and all appreciate you being involved, but um and not to pick a fight with Mr. Shore,
but you know there are plenty of houses east and west of that road. Um they might not be on the south side of Tangerine, but there's plenty of houses. And if we force you to go out the west the west side of your property, which you have an access, right? um or even
move that access whatever to go straight. We're then then we're encumbering four other residents or four other residences to to for the ma for the the masses. So it's like we're putting a burden on somebody else. So I think there's a there's a solution in
there somewhere. And that's basically the whole point of saying hey let's I listen I I I'll be honest with you. I said how soon can we get four loads of dirt over there and blocked the end of the road because the site plan says this. They're not doing it. And I don't know how he's gonna make them do it
right. And I get it. Even, you know, especially an 18-wheeler, making that U-turn on Southern is rough. You got to I mean, so again, further discussion, maybe we got to workshop it. I don't know. But thanks for being here. >> Thank you. So as of the notice that was
sent out, it was for discussion to come today and then there would be more discussion on the following council meeting >> or the July meeting. >> It's the July >> July >> the July meeting. Yeah, that was the notice sent off the residents. >> Okay, perfect. All right, we look
forward to hearing more. Thank you. Uh that brings us to item 13 and I believe Valerie, you were going to take that one. Um, as provided at the agenda review workshop meeting, um, we have been
working with council member Kaine on planning the 20th anniversary celebration. Um, as noted at that meeting, we are looking to schedule the event on Sunday, November 8th, uh, between 11:00 and 2 at the Lockxahhatchee Groves Park. Availability
has been confirmed. Uh, staff and I attended uh, the Swink uh, farmers market this past Saturday. We spoke with quite a few vendors um who seemed very interested in our event. So, we'll be making contact with them to confirm um at this point what we're
looking for um I guess our proposed uh event concepts and activities, direction um regarding [snorts] desired event components and community involvement. Uh direction regarding the formation of a volunteer committee and community participation.
Um, and I'll turn it over to Council Member Kane if she'd like to add to >> Oh, I was just also going to say just, you know, subsequent to this meeting, um, >> we are scheduled tomorrow at 3:00 to meet with the, um,
>> Driftcape. >> What is it? Dreamscape House. >> The the online, this is me trying to be technically said, the online passbook concept as opposed to printing passbooks. So, we have a meeting with them for a
you know to see what it's all about and see how it works tomorrow at 3:00. Um I also um wanted to add that we um talked about inviting uh Mr. Sullivan who um our next meeting to talk about the the
heritage heritage recognition component and ask him to kind of like >> be in charge of that being such a longtime resident. Um, and we als I also ran into um, Judge Bailey at um, an event and um, I don't know how many of
you are familiar with Judge Bailey, maybe newcomers or not. He used to do sort of a um, a show for lack of a better term, a storytelling show um, about like old Florida and things like that. He's um elderly um and since retired from doing that, but when I told
him the event that we were planning, he um indicated that he would be willing to put together something to um present on that day. So, that might be a nice thing to add to it as well. >> Okay. I know in in [clears throat] some of the early conversations, sorry to
jump on this, but uh there was some entertainment also um discussed as a possibility. Uh the the concept for me, especially being around the 250th of the United States, was to promote kind of a
a nostalgic Americana theme kind of country fairing, right? >> The family. One of my other uh thoughts was uh producing a time capsule and maybe saying we would reopen it in 30 years, which would be 50 years.
>> We talked about it. I don't think we ever did. I thought we actually did one >> where dead bodies >> in the bottom of one of these wetlands. >> Yes, it would be next to Lisa Cruz's property on the >> like a I mean I'm talking a long time. I'm talking about like in the early
underwood days. >> Well, if there is one, we might want to unearth it. Um but uh we could add to it. Yeah, but it should if we're going to have on it probably should be located by the flags ultimately or in a box here in town hall that that's you know
>> and to be opened in what would be the year 2056 >> like what we would put in it. Well, I think you you have a table and you have residents and you invite them to come up and I think they should share like their f like their most um profound memory of
Losuchet Groves. And I think everyone should be asked where do you see the town in the year 206 just so when you pull them out you're like oh look we still haven't fixed that in the year 206 we're still talking about RVs. >> It's still in still in discussion.
So, I think a time capsule >> hopefully would actually be a time capsule, but I think we just have a table set up and and people are just invited to to share their >> Yeah. Little paper slip would not take up much room. That would be great. Correct. I thought you were saying for everybody to bring an item. I was like,
"How many stuffed animals can you fit in a time caps?" >> No, no, I think I think more just kind of >> Yeah. No, that's a great idea. >> Your thoughts and >> great idea. >> What kind of entertainment ideas do you I mean, the judge, that's where I was going with the Judge Bailey concept, you know. Do you have any that you know of? >> Some people know that I burst out
singing every once in a while. It's not usually good, but um >> Yeah. No, we're not we're not hiring. >> Thinking No, no. Thinking of like a barberh shop quartet with that Americana kind of theme and then uh possibly inviting a a high school marching band to come because we'll have the big field. Um maybe offer like a hay ride.
>> Writing this down, Valerie, you're writing about Okay. Maybe having I got you our public works bring our the flatbed and doing like a little hayride option for around. >> Oh, we should also get the fire guys, the forestry to bring that old fire truck. But we'll talk to Robert Sullivan
about that because I know he has a lot of old car connections. Maybe we can do some kind of a mini old car show America. >> I know most of us were alive in the 1976 and there was so much of that really Americana kind of throwback picnic kind of feel.
>> Great ideas. Um I'm not sure about the time frame. Did did you all land on that time frame for a particular reason because it's Sunday or >> So a couple of reasons. Um one because a lot of um our farmers uh markets are held on Saturday and we didn't want to
>> I meant 11 to two. Why did Why did you land or what is that? That's time frame. >> We typically kind of do it around that time frame. So it's kind of around lunchtime since we'll be serving some kind of food or food trucks or something like that. And so we typically try to do
a 4hour window. We usually get to the park of meeting staff between 5 and 6 and it it takes time to set up and and we'll need that time. And then again um assuming if Mr. Shore is is you know
doing his part with the parade, we just want to you know >> window. Yeah. >> Correct. Um, I'd like to see a dunk tank as well and I'd like to see past current council, maybe some staff and see who raises the most money. And um, I'd like to propose that >> eating contest
>> funds raised would be donated. I' I've heard there is an organization that sends overseas packages, care packages to active military uh, and perhaps we donate it to to that. So, >> right. So, and then one other thought was and you might need a few artists,
but trying to create something that would be um displayed in here in town hall and the thought was like having the the time capsule table. You have a quilt table where you get >> talked about a bake off because remember when we did we did something with LGLA
years ago and all those all the older residents baked like that remember that orange cake all that stuff trying to get like a bake a bake sale component or a bake off component >> right and we had them to to give a copy of their recipe so that we could do like a recipe cookbook. >> Yeah.
>> So not 20,000 copies. No, but people could sit at the table and maybe draw like a quilt square and those could be sent off and quilted and maybe it's a wall display in town hall or something. >> That would be nice. >> Commemorating the 20th anniversary. So, sorry to jump on the lights that were
on. So, I think we'll start left to right. How about let you go first? Okay. Go. >> I was I I was you know like you know when we were first talking and we you know the knee-jerk reaction was you know because we didn't have a big response last year. I did kind of jump on the,
you know, yeah, let's 86 the parade thing and um hearing Robert so passionate about still doing it. Um I think we ought to participate in it. I don't think it should be something separate. I really don't. Um I just don't think it's the whole idea of I
mean and my whole mission as it were is to or one of the whole missions one one part of the mission is to you know try and create more togetherness in the community more community in the community. Well, we had actually talked
about with the parade thing maybe judging the the so I think the component that the request of public works and and that we want to take out is increasing staff hours and feeling like we have to monitor it and Mr. sure was pretty clear
that he doesn't feel we have to monitor it and based on the participation in the traffic pattern I don't think you need to monitor it but once they get there we had actually talked about some kind of a judging of the judging of the flips for lack of a better term component or
something like that some kind of a contest that way um so so that does kind of tie it in but takes the responsibility for the parade out of our hands and puts it into >> I I I'm not totally familiar with the full layout of the park. But is it
possible that the parade could come in and like circle the field? >> No. >> No, it's not a possible drive on the field. >> Yeah, it would basically come in the citrus and we I mean I went down and turned around, but you basically the road comes in on Citrus and exits on
Southern and there's no no real loop. Yeah. >> So, >> but they could come and drive past >> That's my point. Maybe there's a parade route with >> they could drive past the thing and then go out on >> that may actually well it would be relatively short [laughter] like boom boom it would at least have
more >> wow it would have more >> people there to to observe everything going by and >> the only place where we really needed any assistance right was even when we had nobody out there was dro
>> the in collecting >> de and collecting yes that that transition over >> that was that was >> a bigger intersection would be see and collecting is that you know you have three different uh vehicle paths coming into that one >> inter
yeah two and it was even though there was public works and I think there was a PBSO person there at somebody trying to like >> it's like dude don't you see something going on here so I was like you know >> see all those people >> yeah yeah yeah and to answer your the
the one that sends care packages that's out of Lake Worth. I work with them before packing stuff. Um at one of my previous jobs we did a charity that they're volunteer event. It's called Forgotten Soldiers Outreach in Lake Worth. >> We've Yeah, we've um assisted them as well.
>> Um back to what you were talking about in terms of the parade route inside the park. So, what we did last year um is they come in and they kind of park, but as we announce that they're coming in,
people kind of walk to the side um you know, outside of the pavilion and watch them them come in and then as they park, folks kind of throughout the event, you know, meander about and and take a look at you know, wherever we have the vehicles and things like that. >> Staged. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah, pretty much. Um my only concern is is that um if they kind of come in and then out and then come back around. Um to me that's just um not that it couldn't be done, but we want to time it well. um because we don't want all that
kind of movement and traffic going on once we start you know the honor guard and and things of that nature and >> there and look at it logistically and and then see because I think it could happen very similar to how it happened last year especially if we can reserve those front parking spots and have them just come in and park right
>> and again that would depend on the number of people that were actually in the parade so >> that and too we you know now that we're expanding um we have to keep in mind you know the parking now for the additional vendors and making sure that they're set up and and their timing and and things of that nature. That way we can provide
them with all that information. They know kind of what the agenda looks like. >> Yeah. >> Say, were you all figuring on using utilizing that outfield of the of the softball field as well? >> I don't think we can, but >> Well, never know until you ask, right? I
guess my my thought is I last year worked very well. It worked very well just pulling in there and everybody at the head started parking down here. And I guess my thought is is I think there's a a a vehicle gate on the e-road [snorts] side,
right? If we didn't come in the main entrance and it came and up there, unless there's a gate here as well and then could just kind of circle that circle the wagons as it were. >> I think we can bring that back with more detail. So yeah. So, I just, you know, I think getting
some of these details out tonight um because we're going to see this back >> pretty much every meeting will be coming back more and more detail. But Paul, you're familiar with the park, I think, probably more than most of us. Uh so, you know, maybe can you meet there with
them with staff and kind of go over that concerns >> separately from council member Kane? [clears throat] >> Yes. [laughter] um and I'll you know come up you know I'll >> traffic-wise that's what you're looking for. >> Is there any plan to utilize some of the
community calendars like on the town crier or some of the other publications that because part of the problem is getting the word out and we have the see from outer space signs that we own and perhaps some of those could be utilized. >> Yeah, we talked about using the movable
signs for it and we've talked about putting them out sooner rather than later. Right. Um, and and I think you make a very valid point is that those of us that are very connected to like social media and um and the internet,
you know, one of the things that Robbie complains about all the time. I'll keep using him as an example, but he's that's not him. Like I remember what about a month ago he sent me his first emoji and I was like, "Who's using your phone?" And he said smile on your face and I'm like he's like, "I just learned how to
do that." I was like, "They're too funny." So now he sends me emojis all the time which is hysterical. But anyhow my point being a lot of things he doesn't know about because he is completely disassociated with that. And I think that people in his age category
you know are in fact you know people in their 70s >> are not associated with that. >> Let them like let us publish that in there but I think we should be using those. >> But they do read newspapers. That's what I was going to say. So, I think the
sooner rather than later of getting it in as many of these, you know, there's um yeah, the Palm Beach Post, there's all kinds of places that have like what's going on near community event things, boards and everything. And I think Lisa's got a good point. Let's get it sooner rather than later on those
boards. >> So, that brings me to um a follow-up question because in the past, we've always provided the food free of charge. Um but again that concept was you know that it's it's this event is for Lockxahhatchee residents. Now we can go
ahead and advertise in all these other places but as you know that brings in the chance of folks from other communities coming >> the free food event. I think this is if we want to provide it to staff. We provide them with a ticket or a armband or something and they can go to particular vendors and the vendors can
then you know >> Yeah. But if we're going to provide like burgers and hot dogs which we talked about doing because we talked about maybe doing some food but maybe we could do it at a price that is like Lisa said go back to the 1770s go back to the
1970s. >> So it's like an offset cost. >> Yeah. It's like you know a cost >> you have to have a Susan Banthony dollar. Exact 2 250 250 for a burger and fries. Something that would cover the cost. >> Proof of residency >> would be a really be a really
inexpensive >> price. What would offset the cost of it, you know? >> All right. Well, I just want to make sure because, you know, we have to think about these things. Um, you know, especially if you know, we're providing food and budget and all all all of those things. And to answer your question, I do believe that we are able to utilize
um the soccer field. The only thing is is that Thank you. Um what I recognized um in the last two events that I've been involved in um it is a little bit of a challenge for some of our folks to kind of get around which is why we really and
you know this because you helped me last year is we really try to keep everything under one one pavilion because even walking to the other pavilion was a little bit of a stretch for some folks. And so we do try to really con, you know, keep everything pretty tight and close together. So I just want you guys
to keep that in in into consideration, >> right? Especially considering again the elder the larger elderly population that we have. I know that I had my mother there in a wheelchair and that was problematic. We had um house there with his >> cane and everything which was also problematic. Marge with her wheelchair.
So those those were all you're right those >> and I think like you know if we want to go back to you know those old Americana style games you know we can keep the field open for those things because naturally the folks that are going to participate >> in a wheelchair >> right you said it [laughter]
so >> all right >> those are great ideas though so far really great ideas >> council member Stevens >> Pioneer Heritage >> guys are like swirls squirrel. >> Um, you mentioned Robert Sullivan. Yes.
>> Great, great, great. Um, he's also the guy if we wanted to consider uh to ask about maybe getting some classic cars out here. >> Yes. Yep. Okay. >> We talked about all of that. >> And then to the the vendor part of it, is that going to be kind of just open to
just say art, crafts, things like that? So that we >> I would think we could do that. have to limit. I don't know how much space we would have to and they'd have to, you know, bring their own kind of like we did with the community yards. You'd have to bring your own table, >> but they pay they pay vendors fee,
right? So, town brings in a little bit of money there. I just happen to know a hope she's watching. Pretty good artist in town that she's been doing shows >> and we she may have the tent and the husband who helps her set up and those things and anyway, so just something to
consider crafts arts, things like that to go with. Okay. >> All right. Vice Mayor S. >> Okay, guys. So, 20 years ago, this town made a historic decision. They voted to incorporate this town so that we can control our destiny, preserve our rural
character, and most importantly, be responsible for our taxpayer dollars. I moved here because of that vision that fiscal responsibility and community partnership is the key foundation upon this town was built. So I fully support
uh celebrating this 20th anniversary. Uh we should celebrate our roots but we are spending taxpayers money and taxf funded salaries of our most expensive staff discussing all these favorite projects and I just noticed that the scope is fast expanding. I also believe that we
should celebrate this anniversary in a way that honors the principles that led to our incorporation in the first place. As I researched how neighboring communities approach these events, I found that Bellington, a much larger municipality with a far larger budget,
actively seek sponsorships and community partnerships for major events, including anniversary celebrations of Wellington and Veterans Day ceremonies. So, they have all the money, but they go to private sector to raise that money. They recognize that community celebrations
can and should be supported by businesses, civic organization, community partners and not solely by taxpayers. This is the taxpayers money and also some photo op opportunities. They also hire professional event planners. They use the leverage of
giving these vendors brand exposures and not spend this kind of money. So if Wellington can seek private partnerships for major events, I believe Lock Sahei Groves can as well. Our veterans, Mr. Lot of our people, I wouldn't specifically name names. They already
said we will do the parade. We don't need any help from the town. A $10,000 sponsorship goal we can accomplish through private sector. And I would love to take that responsibility. I know Mr. Stevens has a lot of ideas on priv private sector as well. So I would like
to propose that I and Mr. Stevens or whoever would like separately. I know we can't work together. We work with local farms, equestrian businesses, real estate professionals. I'm one of those agriurism businesses who would love to sponsor and pay for such events and many
would likely welcome the opportunity to support this milestone celebration. Every taxpayer dollar we save is a dollar that can instead go towards roads, drainage, public safety, and preserving the rural character. So, I'm not against this. I think we should do this big, but my position is not
spending taxpayers money if we can save it. My position is that we should celebrate in a way that reflects the very values upon which this town was founded, physical responsibility and stewardship of taxpayer dollars. So, here is what I suggest once again. Mr. Stevens and I would love to work with
the private sector miss with Miss Canes and all of you to have our small businesses and chamber of commerce involved so we can hopefully raise more than 10,000 to help celebrate this occasion. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So
we can't do that. We're not allowed to ask for donations as council members. >> As council members you're correct. >> As a town you can. as a town staff can, but council members you, you and Mr. Stevens or myself. Yeah. >> Okay. But Wellington has a whole public
relations staff and they do it, but it's not individual council members. I mean, >> terrible lobbyist. >> Yeah. And they have lobbyists too that do it, right? Okay. But and we are trying to work a donation and paying for it and like like it would you would have
to pay for um you know to be a part of the treasure hunt or whatever scavenger hunt component there would be a fee associated with that. So we are trying to cover some of the costs. So I just I just want you to know we are trying to be responsible but I'm just pointing out that you personally or Mr. Stevens or me
we we cannot solicit donations of any kind from anybody. >> Thank you. >> Council member Coleman. Well, you hit almost everything except and we can't meet together about this outside of here a scheduled meeting because it's against sunshine. So, there's ethical and sunshine
violations with everything. I mean, yeah, if we can get sponsors, that's great. That's great. But unfortunately, these folks already have a large enough job to do every day and they're going to go out and sp and solicit sponsors as well. I I >> I think council can direct uh the word
be put out on the website that we're looking for volunteers and then we can kind of design it's already part of this. Yes. Um so I I think that's uh great and and love the mockup of the save the date card. >> Um super duper.
>> So um Councilman Vice May >> you were beforehand. >> Okay. Well, I'm saying if Wellington can do it, if the council if the staff can put a >> Oh, you're talking about a a town. >> I'm saying as a town. >> No, no, the town you're referencing.
>> I'm saying our town through the our staff can raise money. >> I'm sorry to interrupt you again. Did you Were you talking about LinkedIn? >> No, I'm talking about Wellington. Our >> Well, okay. Sorry, your accent was throwing me. I was like, [laughter]
>> well, now you know what I'm Well, >> our neighboring town, a much bigger municipality has done it. >> Yeah. With $110 million. >> What I'm saying to you is I'm not asking for a business saying can you pay $500. I'm saying bring let us bring chamber of
commerce, small budding, small and growing businesses in this town together like you guys are talking to these residents and let them connect with the town staff. Let them create these packages like Wellington does. $1,000 package to do this 500 let them do this
we give them the direction and let them raise money from private sector and this this whole you know oh I want to do this that and town stuff let's go visit vendors I mean taxpayers money is being spent doing these personal sort of fanciful projects I appreciate it but
can we please my suggestion is can you keep track of how much time our staff is spending on these so-called events all these meetings all these visits etc etc. Can we have a report? How much being spent? >> I don't understand how you sit there and call it a so-called event and then 3
minutes earlier you're saying how much you support having the event and then you call it a so-called event. I don't really understand that >> gentlemen enough >> right >> let me finish my comment. Okay. So the point here is can we work together to
give the direction to the staff so they can explore raising money from the private sector, equestrians, small businesses in a smart fashion which they know how to do. I >> I think that's what we're here doing. Yes. And and there are recommendations here. >> It's already being done.
>> Hold on. There is no motion to be made. And I have I have another light on. Can we also direct them to keep track of how much time they're spending on this project? >> No. >> Why not? >> Because we're going to task them to put the word out for volunteers as well.
>> No, I know. But why not sp track her time, town manager's time on this project? How much time she has spent whoever spent why not track that time? >> Well, I can tell you in the past we did uh council formed a blue ribbon committee to do this. We met in a very similar workshop format than what we're
doing before. There's nothing Paul that says that we couldn't do that again. And one of our >> estimate I'm not saying minute by minute but how much time our staff is spending on this project >> but I don't understand on one hand you're asking I know but I have a question a followup question to it.
>> I'm asking a question to the mayor. >> I don't have the answer for you actus. >> Can I ask my question which is >> I don't understand that on the one hand you're saying staff needs to do more soliciting of people. they need to spend more time on this and then the other hand you want to hold them accountable
for the time they're spending on it and it doesn't it seems to be too opposite so I'm having >> them accountable >> I think the staff can leverage the website I think we can put you know flyers on the door there can print outs available at the front I don't think
it's and I don't think there's anything limiting council members from saying hey you know c the town's doing this why don't you check out what's on the town website we do that all the time and >> we we direct people at the staff into the town small businesses to them. >> Absolutely.
>> Okay. So, please consider me. I'm involved in your pro and can you invite me to meetings to do so? I will not because of >> I'm saying no not neither. I'm saying in such meetings please invite me. It doesn't cost you very efficiently. Let's discuss how we can bring small
businesses of the town to raise some money. Is that good? >> Yes. >> You want to make some suggestions to staff about how you can >> she is meeting with the staff. I would like to have a 30 minutes meeting with the staff exploring this idea raising $10,000 from private sector.
>> We can okay we can have we can obviously have a meeting and discuss fundraising activities with >> Thank you. >> Absolutely the vice mayor and >> we can do a blue ribbon meeting on workshopping it. Council member Stevens, you have your light on. >> Yes. For the record, per your comments
about the sunshine law. I was just as surprised to hear my name mentioned while ago as you were. So, I don't I don't understand where that why my name was mentioned in that u maybe from a long time ago on the campaign trail or something. We talked about something, but that caught me by surprise. I just
want to go on the record and say that. >> Thank you. So, I I think um thank you for all the work that's been done to date. That's excellent. I I forgot to throw >> I thought put in axe throwing. It's kind of one of my personal favorites. So, >> dangerous.
>> Have you done it? It was fun. >> Yes, it's a blast. But I just think that's a bad throwing people. Anyway, so if council's okay with it, um instead of having this as a >> item uh on the agenda on for every meeting, either council member Kane or I
can just report on it under our comments if that's fine. >> Yeah, that's that's fine. >> And if you have anything that you want to >> and and if you come up with any other great ideas, just shoot Valerie an email. >> I had reached out to the Barberhop Quartet folks. Um, they said just get back with them on a date. And then I'd
also asked people that have children that are in that world, and certainly you're in that world about high school marching bands because they're always looking marching band at a high school graduating class of six. We don't [laughter] No, no. Not not your school, but you know, they're playing recorders. >> You know, people that have little
people, right, so I don't know people with little people everywhere. >> I know a lot of like gymnasts and stuff and dancers. We might be able to get some. >> Yeah. like some of the twirlers. I think there's a lot of opportunity for >> I I agree >> for very >> community picnic stuff. So, thank you
and I'm sure Vice Mayor S you'll you'll come up with some great fundraising raising thoughts. All right, this brings us to item 14 on the carpet and uh oh, Anita, you've been usurped over here with a light. I'm just saying. [laughter]
>> You go Joe. I want to hear Utah. All right, Craig, you're up. >> All right, so on this item number 14, this is the proposal for to replace all the town uh town hall's carpet. Um we're looking for direction from town council
to give us direction of the go-ahhead. Um there is no actual budget GL for this in town in actual town hall um budgeting. There was nothing for a big building maintenance. Um, this is the same carpet that's been here since I
want to say the actual installers. One of the the quote people was the installer. I think they said in 2018 that's when this carpet was put in. Um, we've had it shampooed twice already. Um, and it looks amazing.
Um, this is brought to us multiple times. There's been a couple council members that said, "Hey, when are we getting this replaced?" So, we've put it together, put quotes in. Um, the best thing for the town in the long run, carpet tiles. We get a big stain
back there in the back corner, I can just rip the whole carpet tile out and put a new one down. Um, wear and tear down a hallway, we can rip them up and just relay new ones down. So, in the long run, this will last longer than what we have as this this carpet here.
So, we're looking for direction from town council if they would approve for the money to come out of contingency. That's what we're we're seeing that the money would we could see where it would come from. >> Is that to do the entire town hall? >> The entire town hall. Any piece of
carpet in this building, including what you're sitting on. I saw Paul look backwards. >> Yeah, exactly. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> I'm curious. The only thing it wouldn't do is that back room because there's way too much electronics back there that I don't want to unplug because then I'll be the guy with the messed up
>> do like a surface that's easier to clean like a a per I'm going to use the term pergo because I don't know but some of the vinyl flooring options >> there reason >> we can take any option that you guys would like to pursue. This is >> thinking of laundrying carpet as was
here. I'm sure there's >> no I I uh used to be president of church council years ago and we redid the flooring in the >> we had built a building it was it was a loose lay vinyl. >> Um and of course it was vated ceilings
etc. >> But you would not believe how much sound that carpet eats up. >> Yeah. We to put to I mean yeah I thought about that originally too. Oh put vinyl down going to last longer. reality is probably the best thing with these non-w
wheeled chairs sliding around and stuff like that. Carpet's probably the that that new going in everywhere. It's probably the best. >> Yeah. >> And to that I will mention that our walls are very thin. So, you know, back there sometimes it can get a little bit
noisy. Um and so again, to kind of keep the noise limited, I think um carpet would carpeting would help. >> Big soundproofing things that you hang on the wall and they're not cheap. Council member Stevens, you had jumped on your light first. >> Now, quick story time. Uh, shortly after the election, I came up here. I was running paperwork back and forth with
Valerie and the staff and and one day I was sitting in in the hallway or the her office and I looked down and I was like, "Oh my goodness." You know, but I just look at this carpet and I went, "Wait a minute." And somewhere on next couple of days, I was in here and I looked in here and so if you want to blame anybody for
this, blame me. I just I just said, "Man, I think you guys deserve better. I think we all agree. However, whether it's the time to move forward on that, that's a council decision, obviously. But if you're looking at somebody to to throw those axes at, I'm your guy. Okay. So, uh, but I I would I would like to
see the the staff and us and and the residents have something a little more, I guess, attractive. So, there you go. >> I know an ongoing theme since that that actually led to the purchase of this building. I don't know if any I know you
remember and you remember um but back in the day that the town hall was in a basically closet uh geese plaza um where I think they have AA meetings now in the same place. It was just kind of a straight runway with like boxes stacked
all over the place and I was on the FAAC back then and this opportunity came up. This used to be the Western Communities Chamber of Commerce and they were selling the building and this opportunity came up and we we we jumped on it. Um and we presented it to council and we we managed to purchase the building which by the way did not have
any land with it when we when we initially investigated it and we went back and said well the only way we would make the purchase is if the county would throw in an acre of land surrounding the building. So, we got in we got this building with an acre of land for a pretty good price. And the vision of the
FAC at the time and and those who supported the project, which was pretty much everybody, um was to have a place that we could be proud of where people could come and be happy and meet and and you know, and that it would be really
like a centerpiece of our community. Um, so while I agree we we do have budget constraints and we do have uh, you know, looking for we don't really have budget constraints. We're in pretty healthy situation right now, but looking forward, especially with the tax bill
that was passed today um, to be to go before the voters. We don't know what's going to happen, blah blah blah. We need money for capital projects, all of that. you know, it it it's we have the money and we did do that 5%
reduction and it's sitting there in contingency. We had the other contingency as well as this contingency. I don't even know that we've touched the original 150 contingency. So, I I think that sprucing up the place a little bit is not a bad idea, especially since you
guys just painted it. I mean, you know, like I I think almost painting it might have been a mistake because that really makes the carpet stand out a lot worse. The the coat of paint really like brings out the uh brings out the ugliness of the carpet. Yeah. The drab of especially
the color. >> But anyhow, you know, it's industrial carpet. It needs to be replaced. I think I like the carpet tile idea because I know that whenever you have an industrial facility like this basically just like I do at my school, I'm looking at the same thing at the school is replacing like this really hideous
carpet that the village of Wellington put in there when they had it. It used to be in their P&Z. Yeah. >> Um >> and and it's it is expensive. I'm going to look into these carpet tiles now because that's not something I considered. and and it there's always going to be, you know, somebody who
spills something or somebody who tracks in dirt or horse poop or whatever, you know. So, um I think it's a great or just your highware areas. So, I I'm actually in support of this project. >> Thank you, Council Member Coleman.
>> What's What's the bid at? >> It's I closed it. [laughter] >> It's over $25,000. >> I I gathered that, Jeff. So it's at 20 265 to 279 >> just over >> 265 >> we're under 30
>> in in the actual you asked that. So one of the things would have to come up to is would that option at being over 25,000 we'd have to go out to a formal bid or council could wave that with we went out to four quotes already. >> You have four quotes already?
>> Yes sir. They're in the >> we have we have no problem waving that. >> Right. um you would have to do it as a best interest. Um and I think we need to make sure on the quotes that they are quoting on exactly the same um item.
>> Okay. Are they just off top of your head? They're all quoting >> I gave them all square tile 16 x 16 this >> 24x 24 tiles this color this design. >> Okay. This is what they were told to and they each um actual vendor came in and
measured every single room for each one of them to get the quotes. >> I I listen beginning of end of last year, beginning of this year, I I kept harping and actually during budget season I kept harping about how we needed money because to to repair things, right? We have maintenance
issues, maintenance concerns coming up, AC units, things like that. The carpet's one of them. So, um, whether whether it's need or not, I'm going to make a motion that we approve the the expenditure based on a good what' you call it? >> Best interest. >> Best interest. >> So, I think I think what we need to do
is bring this back to you um at the next meeting for that to to be done >> because I can't we make a motion that >> wants to make sure all all the product is the same >> because the the bids did not appear to
be pure apples to apples. >> Okay. So, how about how about I do this? >> Um, so what Jeff is referring to, one one vendor actually bid on all three styles, design styles of the carpet where we had asked each we had asked the
vendors on one exact design, >> right, >> that we picked out and color. Um, the one vendor did give multiple design colors. >> Is the bid itemized to where you can discern that >> that that light?
It says Hannah tile. The next one says Hannah tile, >> but I'm saying it's itemized. So it says Hannah titile tile X amount of dollars. Jimmy John tile X amount of dollars. Right. >> I don't know. You know >> Yeah. No. So the the vendor broke down
every actual carpet design. The other he put multiple car carpet designs where the rest just went off one design. >> I guess my point is it doesn't say >> and what A, B, C, and D are all covered under this price. It says this one's this price. This one's that price. D is at right. >> Yes. Well, where he if you'd see where
he had put it in there, the reason why the price differences, what Jeff's saying is the designs cost different because the way they match up when they actually put the tiles down >> and the design cost of when they make the carpet is different cost, >> right? >> Includes installation. Correct.
>> Installation, moving of furniture, desk, everything. The only thing staff has to do is come in and unplug computers. They don't touch electronics. So he so he the guy who has multiple designs has the design that you spe correct right with an with an individual price for that
design so we can compare it across the board. >> Yes. >> So is that really an issue? >> Yeah. >> Um >> it's itemized there. >> It's >> I mean if it is it is >> um
>> How about this? >> It seems like you're having a bit of hesitation. I don't want to put him in a in a weird predicament. So, can we put it on the workshop agenda? There's a couple other items on there. >> I was and make it a special workshop >> to approve the purchase upon Mr. Kurts's review of the
>> No, if you look if you look at the detail on the >> So, I I did >> kind of pushing. >> Yeah. So, I did speak to Mr. Kurts about this already. Um, and I told him that I would reach out to each vendor and say, "Hey, give me a price to every single to all three tile designs that the original
quoter gave us that we know we went with." Um, and then we would have apples to apples for designs. >> Okay. >> So, and then I can No, no, it's not frustrating. So, then I can >> meet the standards over here. >> I'll I'll wait on my motion.
>> Right. Um, and then so if you were to to authorize them to to go out and get clarification on the on the four bids, I think it was um and uh you could wave
you wave formal uh bidding and approve it on a best interest basis at the next meeting that you wanted to consider this. >> All right, Vice Mayor Sue. >> All right. Thank you. Uh Craig, is this a health and safety issue?
>> Is the carpet replacement a health and a safety issue? >> Um we have had issues in the town hall where we we have had mold >> in overall you're replacing the entire carpet. I'm saying maybe certain areas could be repaired. Is this overall a health and safety issue?
>> I would people tripping over carpet. Is it broken? Is it >> So I wouldn't say it's a full health safety issue, sir. >> We we are having Okay. We are having carpet peeling up. >> Okay. >> In certain areas and walkways. >> May I ask how did this requirement come
about? This carpet requirement. You have other very essential health and safety issue. You have equipment broken down. You have you have potholes that are fixed. There are roads that are flooded. I want to understand how did this issue surface to such a priority such on the
top that we are beautifying our office neglecting other. So this >> any what I'm asking is is there any other high priority item where we can employ 25 or $27,000 at this time
>> for you're referring to public works. Our own budget is covered for this. This is not what we're saying. We're pushing this budget. >> No sir, this is coming from the contingency budget. You're referring to potholes and everything come from public works. >> In your department, is there an urgent need? you have a grater that is broken,
machine that is broken, or maybe Miss Oaks could tell us, is there any more urgent need where this $25,000 can or 27 can be deployed more efficiently, where it helps residents, helps public, helps that
farmer who's working at 110° heat. help those residents who are delaying their dental visit because they're they want to have their vet veterinarian have taken care of their animals first. So I'm what I'm saying is these politicians here are very keen on
funding. Let's go buy the carpet. Let's make this thing beautiful. And I want residents who are listening pay very good attention to this very fast. they spent 30 minutes on this and and before that 20 another lot of time on the other things but when it comes to essential
things I I hear that probably nothing so my my individual feedback I'm sorry I'm sorry that I'm going against the flow here but people wake up this is not we don't have
the money this contingency fund is there because we haven't paid PBSO and that invoice still stands it's there technically speaking. So it's not free money. If anything, we are lacking money. Our expenses exceed our budget. >> And and another point in which I think
my colleague just made, we have just today the Florida legislature passed property tax uh reform law which basically is going on a referendum. So next year and a half, the next year, we don't know how it is going to impact. So
if I were you, I will be modeling the revenue considering increased homestead exemption. I would be looking at cost cutting opportunity. I want to see 25% tax uh cost cuts. 25% talk tax cuts. Our budget is coming. You can spend all the
money you want on carpets and beautifying this thing. I would like to see budget cut. Our residents want to see budget cuts. Thank you. >> Point of clarification. The uh contingency fund is not the sheriff's fund. There is separate. >> Yeah, there's two contingency funds. I just wanted to straighten that out,
please. >> Yes. >> So, I I sorry I have my light on. Apologies. I know. Didn't wait for your apologies. >> Um so, I would like to pose the fact that 10year-old or better, what did you say
2017? Uh, I think they said it was 2018 when they originally call it 10 years. This carpet was installed. >> Yeah, it's almost there. Call it nine years, whatever you want to get specific. Eight years, five months, and six days, I don't know. Um, but that age of a carpet and this highly trafficked
of an area with, you know, folks in here working every day, sick, not sick, you know, come, you know, they get ill when they get here, whatever. We've had issues with mold in the building and things like that over time. I would I would venture to say that anybody could draw a line to a health and safety
issue. So what you know I and and it's not a political thing. It's about taking care of the building. It's maintenance. It's not political. Again, it's not political. So, um I just like to say I I propose that we give uh give direction
to to Craig to get that that quote straightened up so that we can come back at our workshop to get the clarifi you know clarify the quote so everything is apples and apples and I didn't mean to try and put you on a spot Jeff I was just trying to get that was correct and
it comes back at our workshop for us to even though that's not really a direction spot but it gives us we can vote on it No problem. >> And that that's kind of where we're where I >> agree with you. >> The advice that was given. Okay. >> All right. Do I have I
>> agree. We're going to take >> the lights on. Is there mold? Is there mold under this carpet? >> Not right now, sir. We've already taken care of that. >> Okay. Is there mold in this building that you're aware of? >> No, sir. We've already taken care of it. >> So, look, this is guys, residents, this
is politics. Suddenly, there is mold. Suddenly this is health and safety guys. >> You've already had this conversation. >> I'm clarifying the question he asked. >> So guys if you think I'm >> point of order >> point of order for what you guys are claiming certainly this is a health and
safety issue and the engineer sitting here saying >> no one claimed this was you asked a question. >> He said Paul said just now >> he said he could draw a line. My opinion >> he could draw a line. Nobody else said that. >> Okay. So my point to you again, please
focus your attention on saving taxpayers money and deploying taxpayer money on essentials. I still see potholes. I still see puddles. I still see the canal banks that are not mowed. I still see risks to health and safety. Focus on that, please. If you have 27,000,
please, I have 10,000 projects. I can tell you how you can fix those roads. The north road, we fixed the potholes. Potholes are again needs to be refixed. So there needs to be a schedule. The canal banks, the grass is growing, creating safety issue. Please, if you have money, go there more frequently.
Post this schedule on the website. If you have more money, let's fix couple more dangerous plates. Let's put some signs and guardrails where we have constant accidents. If you have money, let's do something essential. Equipment is broken. Puts that that money towards future. >> Okay. Thank you. This is just
>> Well, why you you've made your point? >> But but man, you had him speak for 15 minutes. When I start speaking for five minutes, I made my points. >> Because you're you're just repeating yourself. >> No, he is everybody's repeating. >> I don't disagree.
>> Can I please my comments now? >> I have budget. We have budget coming. So, please put your priorities and present that. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yes. >> All right. I have uh direction from council to move this uh forward with clarification for the next council
meeting on June 15. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Craig, for getting that information. >> So, that brings us to uh town staff comments. >> I do not have any comments.
>> I don't have any comments tonight. >> Okay. four. All right, just make my little notes here. All right. Uh, town council member comments beginning with seat one. Council member Stevens. >> Yeah, I had a bunch, but I think after
taking tonight's the temperature of tonight's meeting, I'm just going to say thank you to the staff so much for just everything you guys continue to do week in and week out. And then a special shout out to every single one of our committees. And if you guys have uh been watching, they have just absolutely been killing it and doing a
fantastic job. So, thank you to each and every one of those members. >> Thank you, uh, Council Member Kane. >> So, not to be redundant, but there's a [laughter] >> there's a meeting it. Wait, hold on. Is there a meeting, Council Member Kane,
you'd like to share? There is a meeting for the transportation master plan on [laughter] June 30th at the Bellglade Public Library at six o'clock. It is the only opportunity for residents of the Western community to have their voices be heard on how you feel about the widening of Oak Chobi Boulevard and
other projects that are on the master plan now thanks to >> I'm feeling a party bus. >> Party bus might be a good idea if we have cocktails. We might really be rebellious when we get there. Um I also um Mr. Stevens had the opportunity to attend the tail end of of several of the
committee meetings coming by here on various bits of business and um I'm I'm I'm very impressed with the way the committees have been functioning and um really really grateful to have that many more. You know, it like multiplies our abilities, right? It's like kind of like
having a cabinet, right? It multiplies our abilities and it really is great that we have so many people that are involved and engaged um in town business. Um, and the other thing, there was something else I wanted to say, but I surely don't
remember. I also would like to thank staff. Um, you guys work really hard. Um, and you know, I think you deserve to work hard in a place that doesn't have stained and moldy carpet all over the place. But, um, that's just my personal
opinion. Um, and so thank you guys for your hard work, for your consistent efforts. It's pleasure to work with you and with every opportunity I get. >> Thank you. >> What was the date again? >> Got to smile across the board. >> I got to smile across the board. There
we go. >> Who's going to be there? Council member Coleman. >> Yeah. Um, so much I want to say uh but I am going to air on the side of better judgment and I also I'm going to thank staff and
our committees. Um, I actually got a chance to leave a little note for staff. Yes. The last what? Last night for this morning. Yeah. So, it said good morning everyone. >> Right. >> Well, I don't come here in the morning. >> Listen, maybe you know >> you should you should let me know at public works.
>> No, really appreciate everything uh y'all do. Um, I know rain has been an issue, but the big big hole on 25th and Folsam or G South G, whatever we're calling it. >> Yeah, we have a PO already put in to
bring in more material in that area. >> I haven't seen you. So, >> Oh, yes, sir. >> Um, again, thank you very much, thanks to the team, uh, thanks to Jess, thanks to Karen. Y'all have a good night. See you at the workshop. >> Evening, Vice Mute.
>> Great. Thank you, residents. You had sent us the new people on this dis as disruptors. I will make sure I will continue to make sure every single dollar of your taxpayers money is spent wisely. I may not win every time, but I'll try my best
and on the right priorities. You notice today how much time was spent on various issues. Whether those are important to you or not, you make that decision. and personal photo ops and projects. I will continue to fight for
those who are working in the 110 degree heat who don't have money to take care of their other issues or retirees on fixing. So let's talk about couple of issues that I want to focus on in the closing statements. Uh I want to first acknowledge the
efforts of our acting town manager and I appreciate your efforts to stabilize the ship. I also want to say thank you to Craig for fixing the potholes on North Road and other roads. But I also want to say that now that you have done it, let's
put those roads on a rotating schedule. So, thank you for that. And if we don't have money for that, please come back next time with a $27,000 request. >> We're still working on >> Next one. So I have asked uh for the schedule for canal bank mowing to be
published on our town website because I believe if your basics are not fixed we cannot think of any bigger vision. Budget season is here. Today we had a very big uh development. Uh we had constitutional amen amendment on
property tax reform that would provide tax relief to our Lahache Grove homeowners. But it will also increased pressure on the town to diversify our revenue sources, strengthen our commercial tax base and uh carefully prioritize funding. We have to start
saving money. So please start getting ready for budget cuts. PBSO. I think I mentioned that before. I think there is a cost of doing nothing and we are now in an active dispute with PBSO that has
continued since December and there are significant legal financial public safety implications attached to that dispute. Uh there is also a potential statutory issue around our town's uh rural incorporation, growing concerns around respond times
and declining proactive patrol activity. I would also suggest that uh we look at the PBSO issue collectively and uh we must acknowledge that uh this uh uncertainty carries a cost financially,
reputationally and operationally. Finally, I believe uh let's work constructively or constructively doesn't mean that I just say yes to everything. I may be a sole uh point here that is thinking
differently or not agreeing but that doesn't mean we're not working together. I would like to uh acknowledge all the hard work that has gone in and thank you my council members to listen and consider all the things that are shared here. And finally, let's move towards a
solution that protects our residents, protect the town financially, and restore confidence in the future of locks grows. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh I have quite a few questions actually. Um, [clears throat] one of the things we talked about, gosh, a year ago was
bringing forward, um, a wildlife lighting, um, adopting the state wildlife lighting and, uh, updating our FEMA, FDA, um, adopting along with that the agricultural uh, allowances that that go along with that. So, I I'd like to see
those brought forward sooner rather than later. Um, Craig, I know we talked about I know you've patched up there on North Road, but we talked about possibly looking at cutting out the worst sections and did we ever get any? >> No, they have not got back to us with
quotes on it yet. >> Okay. Yes. >> So, I look forward to hearing more on that. As far as the committees, great job. I I get a lot of positive feedback. Um, I'd like council to consider allowing committees to have the same
workshop format that we've been utilizing. Um, if they would like to work amongst themselves. >> When I was at the uh >> FAAC, I caught the tail end of that one the other night and they were kind of asking requesting for type format. I think >> talked about my committee members. So,
uh, obviously they'd have to um arrange that with staff and they'd have to have a quorum. They'd have to produce their own notes to to give to staff similar to what we're doing. But I think it it might give them an opportunity to to kind of bounce ideas. >> Yeah. And and be able to then formulate
their questions and send them to staff for for clarification. >> So, do I have um council agreement on that? Okay. >> An additional meeting or at their >> I think they they should be able to decide with themselves, especially with budgeting coming up. I know that's an
enormous amount of information that takes some time to get through and while they may have questions I think they can maybe >> yeah I mean my only cautisil is again we have to consider staff yeah you know like if it can happen >> during regular daytime hours they can be
in chambers or during but >> I think they have decide for themselves what works for them >> but I'd like to give them that >> so just that committee or all committ >> committees not PCB but all committees that if they want to do a workshop format like we've been doing, >> right?
>> It would be recorded. They would have to record their own notes with >> saying you need to look at this uldc stuff, but then Karen doesn't have to be there to give guidance. It's just come up with questions. >> This could possibly be an addition to um that >> can I offer a suggestion perhaps?
>> Um we are activating these committees obviously at the direction of council. Um and so let's just say that typically you know they have that placeholder of a meeting every month. Let's say for instance we don't have a specific item for them to review. That can in essence
that meeting night is a placeholder to hold as their workshop meeting. Let's say we do have agenda items for them that evening. What if we gave them the option to start an hour earlier? Um and then that way they can kind of you know how we did before with like the
community um discussion portions and then they have that additional hour as a workshop and then they can work or vice versa they can start their meetings an hour earlier. >> Yeah. I and I think they'll know best for for their needs what what works for them. So I like >> my only concern is is that um the
committees cannot in essence spend money or direct staff, right? Um, and so theoretically, as Council Member King pointed out, you know, staff still has to be here, and we still want to make sure that, you know, we're getting the agendas out on time. Notes still have to
be taken, which, you know, we're now utilizing a program called, um, I think it's called like summary minutes or clerk minutes or something like that. Um, it's an AI, so we're able to kind of turn around our council meetings uh, minutes a little bit quicker. Um, so I just want to make sure that
this is a great idea, but I want to make sure that we're moving forward in an organized fashion. Um, and that, you know, we have those dedicated meeting dates for specific committees and then that way they're not clashing with each other. Um, and then again, you know, we only have certain
staff members that are trained to um, work the the machines here, right? And so now you're thinking about potentially an additional four or five meetings a month. So, I just want you to consider all those items. >> Yeah. And I think it's just something that they they can and they may not need
it, right? They may not be interested in it. So, but I would empower them to work with you and and see what's a possibility. >> Okay. So, we'll reach out to them um kind of get check their pulse on the item and then we'll report back. >> Yeah. Super. Thank you. >> Trying to understand what I was.
>> Yes. >> So, uh let's see. One of the things we've discussed in the past was pursuing weight limits on the roads. Uh, as we hear back from Treasure Coast, uh, with their design possibilities on B-ro and some of the
other roads trying to limit the the impact of the high traffic, maybe not a weight limit, but an axle limit. >> So, we have a weight limit on some of the roads. I mean, it's even posted, but it's just not followed. How do you enforce it? >> And how do you weigh it? Right. So this
van axle limit might be better unless it's a local delivery. >> You know what I'm saying? It's it's really about dealing with the cut through traffic mostly on the south end of town, >> right? So no posted axle that's
>> that's a very difficult enforcement in any case, but that's probably something you're going to >> I can tell you right now DOT will go into Royal Palm Beach and they'll sit on what? Crestwood there >> and they will stop those delivery trucks from coming through there of a certain size.
>> DOT though. >> Oh yeah. >> It wouldn't be DOT. It would be a DOT officer for the sheriff's department. They're PBSO DOT officers. >> Yeah, they're diversification going on. >> Yeah, they're PBSO officers, but they're trained for DOT.
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> But >> I know what you're saying. >> Slang on the street is their DOT. >> Yeah, they're employed by PE, >> right? checking like PDLs and things like that you're not cutting through with weight limits and things like that. So, it's just a thought
>> versus trying to weigh them. You have an axle limit >> because they don't have scales in them. >> Right. Right. So, that that was just a thought. >> What they do is they carry and >> might be a little bit frightening because of the um >> they do. Yeah. They have plates that you drive onto >> stuff like that. That's true.
>> I mean, I'm not poo pooing your idea. I'm just saying >> I'm just a thought. >> Yeah. It's just something >> you had some missing. I said these are closing comments or discussions. >> Comments are about discussion items as well. >> Are you open for everybody to discuss? Can we discuss other
>> That's what your time is for is to bring these things up. >> Say are you opening for other council members to also say add to those comments >> about the weight of axles. Yeah. >> Any comment we can interfere? Absolutely. >> Okay.
>> I didn't know that. I thought in closing comments closing. I didn't know that. discussions you can ask >> sometimes we we did yeah absolutely um do I don't I'm sorry in Ron Book's last update was was I correct in reading that
there was no funding provided for the rural infrastructure fund the riff do you just I >> I believe we got 375 >> I whipped through that and I thought there was one of them that had no funding >> um the one that uh Miss Anita is
referring to that was for the um the 750 that we've received for the last two years. Okay. >> Appropriations. I'm talking about the rural infrastructure fund which we have a bunch of grant applications into appropriations. I know we've only got half of one one ask.
>> Yeah, we got half final hit to Santis's desk. >> So, who knows if it'll make that. >> Madam Mayor, just real quick, I have the email in front of me. Um, what was not funded was the Lockxa Hatchee Groves control structure. >> No, no, no, no. That that's
appropriations. >> I'm talking update on grants. >> I'm talking about a broader um budget. Uh, he Ron kind of gave an overview of things that had not been funded outside of our ask. >> Yeah, it wasn't
>> it was like a that's it's called the rural infrastructure fund and I think that they funded zero dollars in that this year. So all those grants >> on a state basis >> on a on a budget basis, right? So all those grants would be zero dollars. So
would which be a shame? So I was just curious if anybody knew the the answer to that. And um to the question of the projected taxes, do we get um from from the property tax appraiser? Do we will we get that or
will Florida League of Cities provide us with some hey if this goes through all towns can expect based on your data that X amount of reduction. Do do we get a heads up on that in any way? >> We currently received the proposed tax
rules um which I forwarded those to David. Um we are scheduled to set up a meeting and discuss this very item. >> Yeah. because we'd be at least a year out from any of those changes taking effect. >> He can he can do analysis based on this
year's tax role as to what would be impacted. It's >> if you're good with spreadsheets and stuff like that, it's probably not that big of a deal because you'll see the >> the homestead 150 those are identified pretty easily and you can see what the rents are.
Okay. >> Super. >> I think it's like a fiveyear roll out too. >> Yeah. I I think it's staggered and It's >> the League of Cities has like a tool tool thing that you can do. I'm not sure that it gives specific data about ours,
but what it does do is it gives an avenue for you to educate >> your >> Yeah, I've seen about >> what our adorm taxes get used for in preparation for this vote referendum because remember this has to pass a
referendum. So, there is a whole thing on the league. If you just kind of scroll down the next time you get a notice from the league about a meeting, you'll see that there's a link to it and it's free to use and it gives you some good talking points if you choose to lobby. Okay.
>> Uh and then lastly, um I I know we have outstanding contracts that were approved by council dating back, I believe, to the end of last year. I think there's four or five of them. Um, when can we expect to see these contracts brought forward?
This is to execute. They were already approved. They just haven't been >> executed. >> No, no, no. Executed contracts. Um, our digitizing, I think, is still not done. Uh, we approved, I believe, some engineering planning firms. Those still
haven't been brought forward for signature. So, can we get those on a particular day? And I'd like to understand some of these turnaround times as we move forward out of legal as well. So that which brings
me to I think we're going to uh come up against the deadline of um the town attorney's contract is December 30th. I think that needs to come forward in our July >> January. That's basically >> okay. Uh that timeline somewhere in
there. I think we need to discuss in December what what that's going to look like moving forward so we make sure that we're not up against the >> talked about having a six month lead a one month. >> So we need to we need that coming
forward so we can discuss as a council what what legal moving forward looks like. So um that that's going to July July would be nice and then I would like I think um Mr. for sure was going to get up and mention uh the memorial fund set
up in his wife's honor. I I believe it's through the um South Florida Fair. Um I think he has shared some of that information on um Facebook. So hopefully hopefully yeah I hopefully that is something that if staff would like to
reach out to him and get some more details and we could share that. I believe it's for equestrians at the fair. some of the young kids that that participate in in some of the >> some of the 4 I I I don't want to put words in it because I don't know enough about it to mention it, but I'm gonna assume that's what he was going to get
up and speak about. So, so um yes, I would like staff to take care of that. That would be wonderful and I can shoot him a text and give him a heads up. So, all right. I to us to the end. We have a motion to adjurnn. Second and we have a
second. All those in favor? I night night. >> Thank you, madam. Thanks,