I should probably >> Yeah. Anna asked us to make sure our mics were on because none of the dis mics are on. >> Yes. >> Informal. Informal. >> Okay. Um, a little bit of >> It's not on. >> It's not on. I I turned on it, but there
was a green light. Talk really close. >> It wasn't on. >> Uh, Virginia, standish. >> Still not on. >> Talk close. >> Hold on. >> Hold it to your face. >> It's not on. Tap it. >> Try it. Tap tap test test >> test test. There we go. >> Okay.
>> Jeez, she had it. Okay. Virginia Standish Lock Hatchy Gross. Um, I've been watching the meetings and overall feedback is I'm concerned. When I say town, I'm just being generic. town staff, town council, whoever,
because it'll all come before you may be making things harder than they need to be. Um, and I'll just continue to start with what I've brought up before, the FDA flood plane a we we need to get that
reviewed and in place. That hasn't been brought back. I realize we have new people, but the cost in this town for the average citizen who doesn't have a million plus in their bank account is getting really hard to come here and move here. Um, so there's things you as
council can do to make it easier for all of us, including yourselves when you develop your properties or have friends and family come here to move. FEMA flood plane with a guidelines. We know, we've discussed it. Um, I was shocked to hear
that previously people were told they had to put BMS around their property and now that's no longer required. It's just I'm hearing bits and pieces. There's different pieces of information going out. Um, the two biggest things I've
seen um, and I've sent all of you Palm Beach County's IR tree mitigation review. I ask you to review that. I think the tree policy in this town is excessive. I realize we've had this conversation before and I'm not talking about one property. I'm talking about
the entire town. When you have properties that they're developed and they can convert back to bonafide a, then your rules don't make sense and your dollar amounts don't make sense. When landowners tell you, hey, we're willing to take some trees. And then at
meetings, all we hear the town manager say is, oh, the sod farm will take trees. What's so special about the sod farm? I say sarcastically, there's other people in this town and this will take trees if you're going to be doing trees.
The tree program that you had where we could come and and uh sign up for trees. None of us got trees from that. Karen, I believe Karen worked very hard to give us information and out in the public of the community. We were told trees were
not available. Um, I listened to your PNZ meeting on equestrian estates. I think you're making it harder than it needs to be. It's very simple. First of all, you have a 10acre parcel,
but no, you can only have one residence. If it's one per five, make it easy. Yes, you can have two residences if it's one per five zoning or however, you can simplify it. And I don't think you should be discriminating just for
equestrian properties. If someone is 10 acres or 20 acres, but they're not equestrian and you want them to have these things, make your building code easy and simple. It doesn't have to be so convoluted. Because I listen to this
meeting, I'm like, it doesn't have to be like this. Um, the other thing I would say is look at what your public works department is doing as far as I know they're working hard, but some of the
stuff being put in. I don't know if it's public works or if it's the Hurst company and I realize there have been problems. You need to drive around for yourselves to see the new stuff that's put in and see the canal banks because I'm not seeing very much rock go back
down on these canal banks. And if there's no rock around the culvert, that's a wash out. So whether somebody signed uh a hold harmless with the town, that's not going to help the town when all these canal banks start caving in.
That's it. Thank you. turned it off. >> Anybody else have anything? >> Anybody want to comment on >> like five things? >> It was like five. It was like five things. I was trying to
>> It's still on for now. >> We couldn't get it turned off. >> Yeah. Right. >> All right. So what I did was I took this talk in the back. I took this matrix that that we had. Okay, you all have a
copy of it in case you didn't bring it with with um so I took the matrix of these projects and it's my understanding that we are supposed to um prioritize
and look at time for completion and I I did take the liberty in my writing up here and again this is not written in stone. I just wanted to give us some place to start of kind of combining some things that I felt like were the same thing um that were separated out
previously. So, what we need to do is we need to flesh this out, talk about how we're going to achieve these goals and the time frame that we're going to have. Um I have Okachobee corridor the Okachobee first because we've kind of all already started that with the
hiring of the gentleman that's already working on that, right? That also involves a lot of the vested rights cases. We're gonna find out whether that really whether that really >> can exists. >> Yeah, I was just going to say put like a one next to Joby and all the ones that
are associated with that. >> Just try to you're going to be the you're going to be writing the final thing down. >> Just this is just like play. Okay. So, don't start right in the end because >> but that's why I kind of >> playing down. What's involved with Okachobee? involved with Okchobee is I
believe all of the people that are claiming vested rights are along Okobi. >> I think Mr. Buckley said nobody qualifies for vested rights >> but I believe all the people vested rights >> correct >> so in part of this >> he said >> there's only two
>> he said 90 days to two years right >> he did agree to that time frame as a general reference yes >> that 90 days to two years as our as our outcome >> you probably should have put that right the 90 days
>> no no he said for the whole projecting So what does that Okachobee project include? It includes if I say cleaning it up, does that does that identify? Is there a better word? >> I would say identifying >> problem >> land use. Yeah, land use issues.
>> Not just identifying >> identify identifying >> rectifying land use issues, right? >> I think they've been identified already. >> I think she's listing some stuff. >> I think we know where the dead bodies are. Some of this is um
>> want to be the outcome of that is part of is part of this keeping Okobee two lanes putting in speed uh mitigation >> I would say traffic mitigation >> traffic mitigation is part of it >> but that's not part of what he's doing. >> Yes it is. He he said that just
identifying se several properties he thought would cut down into as many as 200 car trips a day. >> Right. But that's not part of the traffic mitigation. >> But part of it traffic mitigation is a bigger issue. Right. Are we going to have some roundabouts? Are we going to have that kind of those kind of things?
Right. That involves >> that's things that's infrastructure. >> That's a separate item on Okchobee that we're t you know that's what I'm saying with what you're saying that 90 to 90 days to two years that has nothing to do with infrastructure.
>> Yeah. I'm just trying to identify everything >> everything that we envision for Okachobee. >> Envision. >> Oh, okay. We envision for Okchobee in the next 5 years because this is a fiveyear plan. We have a time frame on this because the person working on it gave us >> trail connectivity.
>> Trail connectivity crossings. >> Safety crossings. Safe crossings in general. >> I just misspelled connectivity. Safe crossings. >> Safe crossings. Yep. >> Okay. What else? >> And that that goes for vehicle traffic
too, right? that it's all part of that >> I put under can you put a slash next to mitigation and put um reduction >> reduction >> and infrastructure >> and by infrastructure we're we're talking >> that's we're talking about the
roundabouts the >> byure I think we're talking about like you said roundabouts we're talking about culberts that need work there >> crossings right >> yeah well that should be under drainage Okay. >> Do we do we have drainage on the left?
>> Well, except it is specific to Okchobee. That's why I'm we're not putting any place else. So, that's why I saw it as all part of that one big project. >> Okay. I mean, I see that as part of I see that as part of the the C-51
connection and control of water flow, whether that's pushing it north or or holding it north. >> Where did I have infrastructure? got I have drainage. So, I'm going to put the we here just as a just as a
place mark for us. Okay. Did I spell we right? >> I believe so. >> I spell it wrong every time. >> Can Can you put what is the thing at at Dro? That's our pump and our and uh what's the the the gate? >> House gate. Pump house gate. Okay. Those
are just placeholders. Okay. Yeah. Pump house gates. Okay. All right. Anything else that has specific to do? What did you just say? Infrastructure roundabouts or something else. >> Crossings that I think should be there. >> USA crossings already.
>> Anything else that has to do with Okchobee? What about extending Okachobee? How do we feel about that? Do we want to continue to fight the extension of Okchobee? >> Okay. And and Paul, I to your point, um
there are many different aspects of this, right? This is machine. This is code. This is you know what I mean? >> Yeah. You said five year. I saw you wrote five year because I was you were like oh 90 to two 92 years. I'm like and then we Yeah. That's >> Yeah. So that's >> we have a time for that. It's our job right now to put a time on these other
ones. So that's that's >> Well, that was my confusion, too. I thought we were going to get something back after we gave them this list. Whereas they had they kind of gave an estimate of how long we could say we could say, "Oh, listen. Major contract renewals that that should be, you know, 30 days. As you should be able to give
us some kind of timeline long state, but then we could be way off base. You know what I'm saying? That >> we're giving a timeline of when we want it done by. This is our plan for the next five. >> My guess my point is we could give >> Okay, that's kind of the same thing I was saying. It was just the backwards way. I just figured it seemed to me it
seemed like it was just getting shoved back on our plate. Like, hey, we're like, no, you can categorize this. Oh, this is code. This is public works. This is this this is this person and we should be able to complete this and this and this and this. and we go, "Okay, yeah, we like that or no, that you know, but whatever. We're here now." So,
>> our job here is to is for us to be realistic and look at what departments we're having to do these things because and see what a burden we're putting on staff and see whether it is even realistic for for our staff to be able to achieve this. >> Well, I thought the last time we
discussed this in this realm, >> that was kind of the direct was well, I guess we can't give direction here. Never mind. Sorry, Jab. Um, but that was kind of where we were going was, okay, you you asked for a list. These are our list of priorities. And because like I
said, like I said, I think we're saying the same thing. We're just saying it two different ways. Gotcha. >> You know, I I for us to sit there and go, "Okay, this should only take you this long. This should take you this long. You should have this by here." Might not be a realistic view. Whereas they could say, "This takes this long.
This takes this long." You know, I think we would have a better we could prioritize it better if we knew kind of time frames. Well, this is a bunch of small stuff that we could get done in a short period of time. You know, we could help. >> We could, but we've been asked to come up with a strategic plan. So, that's
what we're going to do. And if the strategic plan is Did you have a chance to look at some of the strategic plans that like Lisa sent us some and Francine sent us some >> vaguely? But is >> okay. So, I think is everybody okay with Okchobee for now at least? Okay.
>> I'd like to see I'd like to see trees on the south side of Okobee Boulevard. you know, oak trees kind of like ro Palm Beach Boulevard is >> because the more narrow that road seems to be, the slower people are going to go. >> That was originally part of the $4 million was was the trees fencing along that
would allow cars to pull off but not like separate the path from the vehicle traffic >> down nicely. Maybe we can make that part of the 20th anniversary celebration because it's >> I think we we could talk about fundraising for that. I know actually
what put that in as part of >> redesigning it taken down and something >> so it doesn't look like a suburb of Royal Palm Beach perhaps >> something beautiful in Laha >> it's a little dated you know we go freshen up I mean >> it's also falling apart >> it's an identical structure to the one in Royal Palm right across the corner
>> right something more laxah >> yeah right >> but I'm thinking about that I'm thinking about fundraising for that as part of the 20th anniversary actually I met with Karen today talked about that okay so let's figure out how we're going to organ organize this, Lisa. So, Okachobee,
what do we want with Okachobee? We want identifying and rectifying land use issues. And our time frame on that is 90 days to two years. And the >> uh and the person in charge of that is Ramsay. So, that's the first thing that do Okobee maybe one page for each thing.
I don't know. It might wind up being >> So, that's the 90day >> Okobee. So identifying and rectifying land use issues is is 90 days to two years and the person responsible is Ramsay I guess is okay what we put okay
the fighting extension I would say is ongoing everybody >> extension expansion >> the person responsible for that would be our local lobbyist >> yeah like slashexpansion because I think one's inevitable we could maybe make sure we have a stance
on the other >> mitigation and reduction >> which Which part are we putting under the >> Well, under the lobbyist. >> Well, hold on. Paul's right. >> Extension. >> Paul's right. It's not just the extension, but it's finding the expansion of it. >> Yeah. >> It's the whole Yeah. >> Because there there's two twofold going
on right now, >> right? >> Okay. And I would say you can't put a time on that because it keeps coming back and its ugly head. So, ongoing >> commitment to our local justified that >> it's a high priority. >> Traffic mitigation and reduction.
I would say that that is probably our local lobbyist as well, but does anybody think that there's somebody else interdep departmentally that would be responsible for that? >> I think that's that's who that is. But we've, you know, been denied the the most recent round of, >> you know, >> but you don't give up.
>> No, we don't give Yeah. Refile >> the next When's the next TPA up? Is it is it annual or is it every two years? It's >> annual. Reapply. >> Dr. Connectivity and Safe Crossings. Now, I know they're working on that. I know we got a grant for it. I don't remember how much it but I know we got a
grant for it. >> Was that a full or was that for design? >> Uh, >> you know what I'm talking about. >> Was a study. >> I think it was the design. Yeah. Should we be more shovel ready?
But I also would like to add to that if you guys are okay with this and this doesn't necessar have to do with the Ukachobee, but what I'd like to do along with the trail connectivity. I would like to start with like maybe the ERO
trail which we know is already a a certified trail, right? I mean, we know that one's already good. and then on to some of these other trails that are in the back of our like the Aldi's trail and the Sea Road trail and the one at Hide Park that we just built. And I'd like to make all of our trails a linear
park. >> I have a lot of reasons for wanting to do that, but I would like to make some of our trails a linear park, but I think we could start with ERA because I think that's >> right. >> That connects the park down here with the park back there. >> Yes. >> What are the steps to do that?
>> I don't know. That's legal. Okay. >> Why do we have to limit it to FRA? Why can't we just That's the only one that we have for sure right now. There's easement issues like Cro. There's easement. There's easement issues. I think take them one at a time, but I think we can do we can legit right now do FRA. We can do the one we just put in
on Guber. We can do the one we just put in on High Park. We do one on 161st. There are ones we can actually do D road. There's barriers. Cro, there's barriers. So, there's some barriers. >> Even if there's barriers. >> No, I know we've this has been brought up multiple times. That's why I asked has anybody actually identified the
process of doing? >> Yes, you have to um I mean I I've started and I haven't identified the whole process but that goes into the lap of legal by the way. Put Jeff there. So what you have to do is you have to define the area and we can't define the area of what we don't already have.
>> Well we can define up to >> you have to plat basically. Well that's yes that's fine. >> Yeah. So I mean to Todd's point we could define like if we have seaw road I guess I guess to your point that you can't have like if we have easements landlocked on both sides. >> Yeah. It doesn't make any sense
to doing that but this way >> but why but why not do it for the areas that we can and you still have the linear park even though you can't get from here 300 ft. >> Okay you'll include that section. >> That's fine. I was just curious what the >> Well, so let's throw the linear park thing at Jeff. Okay. And that goes along
with this. Okay. And the connectivity was that was that do we decide who that's going to be tossed to? >> I mean I think that go that goes with Mary because there she's working on that with the wreck gag. I know she's I know they've been working on that. >> Okay. >> That's part of their thing. Um if you could put the wreck gag there
infrastructure roundabouts thing that's our lobbyist again, right? >> Yeah. Everything there everything there's fallen that way. >> Beautifification could be our lobbyist. It could be public works. I know we have a tree bank and we have trees. I don't think we have
beautiful pristine >> 20 foot oaks or anything like that, but I'm not sure what we have. >> We have a tree bank. >> We do have a tree bank. >> There's a lot of money. >> Where's the bank? >> The tree mitigation. >> Oh, I thought you meant like a bank like >> like when FD when the states redoing
turnpike and they stockpile >> palm trees. >> So, >> right. >> Not sure whether that becomes a public works project. I'm not sure whether that's problem. >> That's the county, right? I was going to say that's county right away. So
>> to try to get them to let us put them in the right of way >> lobbyist. >> Lobbyist. >> Yes. Yeah. Hold on. >> So where do we go? Public works. >> I I think it's it starts with >> it getting okay from county >> from the lobbyist. Yeah. Lobbyist going to start with lobbyist. >> Bill. Um
>> but they might want us to be shovel ready. >> We got the money too because Ramy's working on that project and he seems >> you can't be shovel ready. They haven't given us okay. They have to >> I don't have to rewrite these notes. Okay, that's >> you can have your plan etc etc. >> That's kind of
>> that shovel ready. That's what that's what they look at. >> We need times on these other things. So Lisa moving them off. >> Okay. So we've already got um the 90 day to twoyear window of our code. Uh opposing the extension and the
expansion. That's >> annual. Yes. Annual ongoing. >> Right. Yeah. How how often do they update the the trim? Not the trim, the tim. >> I think that they're in a big like a five is it a fiveyear or 10 year update
of it right now, but it's whenever they want whenever somebody gets a wild hair. So, I don't think we can ever really let our guard down on that. I just think it's >> So, it's a perpetual. >> It's a perpetual. Okay. Yeah, it's a perpetual. >> Keep your ears and eyes wide open. Traffic mitigation slash reduction.
I think it goes along with the TPA grant reapplication. >> Well, and it goes along with the it does illegal uses too, right? You know, like >> and it goes and it's connected to the position of expansion and extension as well. >> They're all connected, but you can't really I don't think put a time frame on
the others. Do you guys think you can? >> It's out of our control to some degree. So, a timeline I think you just have to make it a constant that's just a constant threat. Do you have vested under Ramsay's thing identifying and rectifying land use issues
slashvefvested rights just so we can put that to bed forever? >> I can put that >> never rears it head again. >> That long-standing problem properties falls in that category as well. >> Would you like me to add historical legacy in that vested rights? Because that was also supposed to
>> and it's and it's a different date certain ending, right? And I'll stick that in there too because that may be something we have to vote on. >> Okay. >> To make it stop. >> Did I put that? And we hate that though. >> Make it stop. Well, no. We haven't got that. Is that a
>> We're working on timelines. Trail connectivity/crossings red gak lobbyist. Uh, and that goes along with the linear park designation. So, let's get let's give it two years to get that done. >> Two years. Okay. >> Let's give it two years. >> You don't think the crossings could be
done pretty quick? I'm I'm saying the whole project, all our trail connectivity, getting those ease, getting that linear park done, all of it. Let's give it let's get it done two years. Let's put a timeline on it. >> If you had funding and everything like that, you could do the crossings ASAP as long as they were approved through the county. The problem is, >> can we add it?
>> Can we add under trail connectivity? Um, and I know Recax worked on this, >> too. the signage. >> And I know Craig had said they were designing entryways that would keep certain traffic off of their >> gated.
>> So we can add that in there. Signage and signage and access. >> Yep. The trail >> access structures >> structure. >> So that would definitely be public works >> and that's going to be money. So that's going to require budgeting. Okay. >> And that's definitely public works. Did you >> I'll add them in.
>> PW No one's going to be able to read these. They'll have to read. infrastructure roundabouts timeline timeline and >> that's I think that's an ongoing thing depends on TPA we got to keep applying for grant >> and that that is internal to us right so
that's lobbyist >> y >> that's lobbyist lobbyist lobby >> that's public works right >> no >> infrastruure >> yes some of it will be >> PW roundabouts >> no but >> infrastructure roundabouts >> um
>> some of that infrastructure like we had talked about I Todd had brought it up. The the culberts under Okchobee, those are county culprits. >> We're still asking. We have >> We're still trying to figure that. Make sure >> to go after having them replace those. >> I think there's still some The jury is
still out on the clarification. That's >> If there are, we'll just take the one at a road out and be done with it, right? Just leave it as a canal going through, >> right? Simple as that, right? >> Yeah. We just solved our traffic mitigation problem. >> This is the end of life. We're pulling it out. We're just going to have a canal going through there. You know how to win
friends and influence people tie >> quickly it'll be the counties right very quickly the county will take responsibility >> yes all right and then beautifification timeline oh infrastructure roundabouts timeline >> I don't know that we can put a timeline on that but we keep annually going out
for grant but we'd like it done in what >> that some of that infrastructure goes down to the we at okachob >> yeah that's different yeah yes that's true >> so we know we got the appropriations money that we priority poritize that at Tallahassee to get our major structures
in place. >> So hopefully that could we put two years on those? >> Sure. >> Okay, why not? >> Two years and >> plans are made, right? >> Beautifification. >> One year. >> I think we could do some serious beautifification projects in one year.
We have the tree bank. We have the money to do it. >> One year. Okay. >> And and you know, with a million dollars, we can buy a lot of really pretty oak trees to put them up. Okay. Okay. Comes off. I'm just taking it off. So we have space, guys. >> Not to be a Debbie Downer, but who's going to maintain them? Who's going to
water them? >> Stop. >> Oh, it's working. What? I mean, >> it's a thing. Once it's a thing established, though, you don't need to water. >> I know. Once they're established, a couple years of watering them. My whole thing is that's that's been my whole thing. I've had a couple people say to
me, "Oh, wouldn't it be great?" Yes, it would be awesome. Absolutely. >> Public works. spectacular public works. Okay. What happened in October, increase the the taxes a little bit to help cover stuff. And you know, it blew
up like an atom bomb because, you know, everybody wants all this stuff. They want to turn parks into into show pins and things like this. And so they get that's great. But I the my my Debbie Downer, what whatever you want to
call it answer, my devil's advocate answer is who's going to maintain it, >> right? Who's going to maintain it? >> Maintains that roadway that that area of grass now >> county. >> Yeah. We can't put we can't put maint watering the trees on the county.
>> Right. I'm >> But you you see where you see where I'm going though. I do. >> I'm not against it. Let me go on record. I am not against trees going down Okachobee. I want to go on record saying that. Can I say it again? But I'm not against it.
My thing is my thing is >> you listen, you got to have somebody or whatever equipment to maintain this stuff. And you know, it costs money to do that. That's all. That's that's my >> So when we get into once we've had all this laid out and we start to look at
the budgeting, then we look at the pros and cons. And the con is what are the annual cost of me? >> I think that's a good good strategy. Let's just get it all Let's get it out. >> Paul, some Paul, some of these companies that put these trees in, you can do where you can pay them where they'll come water the tree for a year. You seen it? >> No, I'm aware. I'm aware money.
>> It's It's part of the contract that you pay for. >> That's all I'm saying. >> Well, that's who would do it. You said who would do it? That's who would do it. >> Drinking water. >> Um I don't know. Todd, you question. Do you have gray water in Okobi or only drinking water?
>> Yeah. No, there's there's reclaimed water there. >> There's reclaimed water there. >> Yeah, Todd brought that up. Am I allowed to use my phone? I can >> brought that up as water for the house, >> right? >> Maybe we can. Yeah, let's not let's I'm just saying let's keep that. Let's keep that in mind.
>> Southern Let's not get Southern Corridor. I'm going to Guys, I'm not erasing it. I'm not taking it up. >> Okay. Southern Corridor. We've got >> our planning grant right now. >> You have some by what? July. They said >> June. >> June. Sorry. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. How much was it? >> 75,000. >> Yeah. Land rate. Not matching. >> Not matching. Thank you, Paul. Um, completed in June.
>> June, I think is the deadline. >> Completed in June. So, we've got our time. >> Deliverable is June. >> Yeah. >> Completed June. Okay. Is there anything else that we need to do with that until that study comes out or is that
>> we have a meetings on that coming up? So >> I'm I'm aware of that but they're not really I mean are you mean the meetings with Treasure Coast? >> Treasure Coast >> met with them today. I I >> No, we have public meetings. >> Workshops >> saying this is >> Yeah, they're going to be
>> in words until this is done in June. We can't really put another timeline on implementation until we know what it is we're implementing until all the council meetings. I don't know whether everybody's met with them. I met with them today. I don't know whether anybody else did. >> I think mine is tomorrow. She was right. >> Now I'm questioning when mine is. Did I miss mine?
>> So >> I hope not. >> So anyhow, until council's done meeting and then until we have our public meetings and until they produce the final report, >> I don't know that there's anything else we can do with that. I think that's it. So this is a short page. Lisa 75,000
>> staff staff needs to make sure that we're properly proper properly advertising these workshops etc. Not just you know I know we have a you know probably a requirement that so many days but I mean we need to work on how we're
going to advertise these workshops and you know because I think the more input on this and the more people are going to understand it's going to help on the communication piece a lot you know. So, >> so >> are you saying within the next month and let's put a time on it? Within the next month, who would be responsible for doing the advertising, Valerie? But that
that's who it would be, right? Legal it would come at the clerk's office. >> I think I would just let Francine because she's got to deal with it. So, it would fall on Francine. >> My meeting's tomorrow. >> Somebody got nervous. >> So, we we got a timeline on that. That's done. >> Oh, I'm sure. I got I got a call saying,
"Can you come early soon?" add to that the element of that within the next >> public notification >> without the next month figure out the most widespread or effective uh >> and probably have a calendar out there for these are the three or four events
that are going to take place >> effective public events community input events >> and I'm assuming that we'll put that >> Facebook to decide who does that >> we call that social media >> okay got that etc.
>> That's it. Everybody happy with southern corridor until >> Okay, that's we have a time certain page. >> Didn't have a lot of writing with that one. Lisa, >> that's easy. >> This one might take a lot. Management of >> I need my easy button >> right there.
>> I have one >> vegetative debris and solid waste. >> It's all Karen stuff, isn't it? Karen and Jeff. >> Okay. I have some questions on management of manure because it seems to evolve in its definition or depending on
who's talking about it. So I think defining management of manure are we talking about the logistics of the hauling? Are we talking about code enforcing when it appears in our town on properties? What is management of manure
actually? >> Are you asking I'm I'm asking all of us. What is >> I'm just curious. Yes. All the above. D. >> D. >> Okay. When we talk about management of manure, are we talking about the transfer stations that have been
previously proposed? That >> I think if somebody could come up with a location of a transfer station that would be so, so from where I stand, if I mean, if you're asking me, from where I stand, we generate a lot of poop and it's being managed irresponsibly in our
town and we have to find a responsible way to manage it. I disagree. I don't think the the bulk of manure comes from us. >> The bulk of manure >> the bulk of manure does not come from us. >> I agree with you. >> And and to put a transfer station invites that flow here.
>> Would you have an objection to a transfer station on Southern Boulevard? >> Yeah. >> No, I think it could go right behind the I'm not going to say that. Um >> would you have an >> No, I >> I mean that would be that would be an ideal place for one if we could get somebody to put one in on Southern Boulevard. >> As long as it's not B- Road for God's
sakes, right? Or if we right or if we could obtain that's already impacted maybe one of the properties that's in foreclosure that we could obtain and put in our >> the problem I see with a B road a southern boulevard location is the proximity to water and all of the controls around D regarding the the manure. Um
>> right >> so that may mitigate itself like that may take that out of the running but I think we've always talked about the southern end of town being the location whether that's whether that's a a slaughter house or
anything like that that might want to be utilized in our area. So yeah, I mean if it goes anywhere, yeah, it goes down there because it doesn't drive it further deeper into our traffic because it corrected roads or anything. It just
has the traffic. >> Can we can we right here now define management of manure as >> define manage >> the hauling >> external hauling? >> So manage m manage external hauling
maybe >> I think manage manu manure means addressing external hauling >> illegal dumping >> illegal dumping. Weigh in anytime guys. Well, dumping SL storage, I think you need to say because some people are calling it storage.
>> I'm saving it for a rainy day. Dumping storage. >> I may want to grow mushrooms Monday. Illegal dumping storage. Um, what was the other thing we talked about? Um, and if we put a if we were, let's say
that we could get a property along Southern B. Let's just I'm just throwing some theoreticals out there. Um there is a property on Okobody on Southern Boulevard that is in serious code enforcement and that potentially we could get for foreclosure. So if we could put in a transfer station there
and we could do manure and vegetative debris there that could save the town's people a lot of money and generate a lot of income for us. >> When you say vegetative debris, what do you I'm not >> bulk bulk vegetation. >> Vegetative debris. >> How does how does it generate money? usually trans
>> because you charge for the use of the facility. So when when when >> when Joemo uh >> I got that. >> How do you how do you charge for it when they show up? >> Let trucks show up to dump. Yeah.
>> And what we already How much did manure do we 50,000 tons or something? >> I don't know. We came up with a number. We were like an enormous >> We were trying to figure out a 10 stall barn going through a 20 yard dumpster once a week. That dumpster weighing, you
know, so many tons of bedding and stuff. It was alarming. >> And we've certainly seen properties nearby that um a mountain of manure can appear overnight. Uh so what kind of land are you talking to to be able to
manage the amount? I can tell you >> by D standards, right? You I'm not I'm not talking about this the standard of management. I'm talking about how do you deal with the volume coming in daily and exiting like where where and how does that happen that it
>> you can't you're talking 50 acres. >> Have you been down 50th in last few years? Have you been down 50th >> in Los I'm sorry? Yes. and seeing their transfer facilities from >> areas. Okay,
>> go ahead. Go ahead. I'm done talking all night. So, go ahead. That's fine. >> Only via >> It's on on 50th >> scale. I drive and they measure I'm sorry, I use that facility. It's it's an
acre. Um I they have a scale that you pull in >> and they they take your empty weight, right? And then >> I understand how it works. >> So what's your question? >> My question is is >> you have all these people showing >> the dump.
>> You have all these people showing up >> with their loads of >> Yep. >> branches and vegetative debris or manure. >> It's getting collected. >> Correct. >> And then it's leaving. >> Yeah. Yeah, they have a big cupboard and then they have big trucks that you know
once they reach there then they go to the dump. >> I understand that your question. >> My question is how many trucks a day? How fast do those things fill up? What is the turnaround time for this material? Right. To me that would that falls under that question in the
strategic plan. >> What what are you looking at? Are >> all we're saving is the other trucks picking up and taking it somewhere. If you want to take your own manure, I know Tracy said she takes her own manure, right? Yeah. >> So,
>> is it going to cut down if we put it in a certain location and we control it? >> Well, aren't you trying to avoid it being piled up in farms and all of that? That's what you're trying Yeah, that's what you're trying to avoid. >> Yeah.
>> I'll go the fastest, easiest place that I can. So, >> well, everybody else is everybody's going to do that. I mean, I didn't want Publix to go in on B Road, >> but where do I shop? I shop at B Road Publix. So, that's that's that's a non-starter. What I'm trying to say, okay, well, I stopped so everybody else could. So, now let me please.
>> Okay. >> So, >> in comparison, that thing that that place doesn't hold their manure all day, right? Which is the same thing that was proposed to us to go on Sea Road, right? But when you look at bulk
yard waste and you look at those kind of transfer facilities that exist, um there used to be one on Lantana Road and it's, you know, four or five acres, whatever. There's a mountain of tree debris and stuff and they they pull it in there and they transfer it out and things like that. I mean, they grind it up. There's
a mountain there. How long it stays there, it's all determined on on, you know, but the thing is, do we want do we want that in our town? >> I'm southern board. How about How about if we do >> because you live on North Road. No. >> Can I make my point? My point is is we've got manure haulers complaining about the cost of dumping in that
location. So, while we think we see it as a revenue generator, they see it as a hurdle to doing business, right? So, I'm not sure that putting it in our town, whether it's at Southern or Okchobee or wherever, we will necessarily see the reduction in
illegal dumping. Right. So, that that goes back to code enforcement, >> right? It's I mean >> the multi-pronged problem. >> You can humor me on this one and say explore in the next 60 days. >> Well, it gets moved >> the next six months. Explore in the next
six months the possibility of putting a transfer station for vegetative debris and manure falling on on Southern Boulevard. I keep saying Oachchobee because we were talking about that before. I do not mean Oachchobee for the record. Just just give us six months to explore that option. Is is
there a big need for vegetative debris sites? >> Yes, >> supposedly. >> I I think the idea is we could generate income from that >> generate income from both, >> right? >> So, I think you're probably not going to, you know, you've got people that are in this that are in the business of
moving manure, right? And but you've got a lot of folks like me, like Tracy, like a lot of folks that, you know, when you have 10 stalls or more, we produce so much manure that that it's not coste effective to have those those containers
out there. It's much more cost effective for me to buy my little dump trailer and go dump it once a week. You know, I'm talking about, you know, a load of manure in my small dump trailer is $60 versus 300 for them to come and pick it
up. and we you know but if you create it's so sort of like the old saying if you build it they will come I think if you were to build a facility like that that where it's more convenient you would find that a lot of people maybe not your major haulers but may but I think you'd find a lot of people
curtailing the problem of illegally dumping it >> might and and maybe your major haulers because one of their big complaints is how expensive it is to go over there if we had a different price structure that wasn't as expensive then >> well and we do Right? You're getting paid by the island. >> Let's be real. The guy wasn't proposing
one just to save him money, >> right? There's >> there is money to be made. I mean, that's that's the reality. >> And the reality is Solid Waste Authority is exploring this and there's there's a possibility of, you know, cooperative, right? County cooperation. Put that on
there. >> And I can give you a little insight because my husband is the president of Gulfream Park. You want to talk about a lot of manure? That's a lot of manure, right? There is a company that's right now they're and and and I'm not saying it's going to happen this year or next year, but there is a process where they
take the manure and they burn it and they create fuel. And so >> solid waste does that. >> Okay. I don't know. This is a slightly different and the ballistic. >> The machines are a million dollars a piece. We have to generate a lot of money before we can have that.
>> Doesn't work if it's too wet. So >> just out of curiosity, how much you said it's $60 is down there. How much if you took it to the landfill would it cost >> to the landfill? It's It's about the same to the land off of Jog. >> Well, >> well, can't you go to the transfer the
the tilt bed? Yeah, buy >> Walmart. >> I don't even know about that one. I was going to the one the big dump >> off of Jog, which is just it's a 45minute drive there. >> There's one you probably can take it to right behind Walmart. >> I don't know if they take >> They take manure there. That's the
thing. They only take those tilt those tilt tables only take certain things. >> Yeah, I don't think that cuz that I was told that the only opportunity that I had prior to this one opening was to take it all the way up jog road which is like 45 if it was $15 less. It's not
worth your time and your money to your gas or even if I pay my employ. >> I'll go to the closest one because I don't have time to drive over there. Plus, you're you're in line with all of the major trucks because that's where they all go. all of the the facil the
companies go to the to the dump right so >> sorry Virginia go ahead >> um so my comments are one whereas Palm Beach County and S SWA this isn't just a Lockxahhatche Groves problem right we all agree we all agree
on that so as you said SWA Palm Beach County need to be heavily involved and you already yeah you already said that um the concern would be the surrounding properties whether they're commercial retail pale or residential, the odor that comes off a facility like this, the
offging, even if it's moved frequently, you're going to have heavy rains. Uh, what are the ground protections going to be? >> I I'm not going to say the site I'm thinking of, but the one I'm thinking of is perfect. >> And that's got to be key. >> It's perfect. >> But again, I I'm familiar some of the
properties. I'm familiar that somebody is out there circling to do this in our town. I'm saying to you the hazmat issue that comes from this and contaminating water wells is if you're going to entertain this, you make sure you research that the town has not rec
created a hazmat situation for people near these properties. >> Yeah, actually we did. We Virginia, we just established a pretty good relationship with D on this type of issue because of a one recently that got shut down and we were very heavily in communication with them. So, so yes,
you're right. But they they have a whole set of standards and how it has to be done and how far it has to be from water and and all of that. And I can't imagine we would do anything unless was right. So that's why I'm saying let's just explore this in the next 6 months and see if it's a possibility >> under on your list here. Where does
solid waste fall in that? Was that as an option or is that an additional issue? >> I I I think it's I mean here's my thing and this is what I said in Tallahassee if you'll remember. This is not a local issue. This is not a locks grow issue.
This is a regional issue. We need to get >> I get it. Why is it in this line item? >> Well, because it was a separate line item and I thought it was all trash. So, I just put it all together similar. That's all. But we don't have >> because I think that makes me think of the major contract renewal.
>> Solid waste goes with contract renewals probably more >> more than this issue. >> More than that. Yeah. Okay. More than that. >> All right. So, I'm not going to put it on. So for the strategic plan in the next >> it does if you talk close >> it actually does work
>> is that in the next six months we are going to have our lobbyist attack it as a regional issue. We are going to see through code enforcement whether there's a piece of land along Southern Boulevard that might become
available to us or might be able to become available to us for this. And who would do the investigating of all the D and stuff? Would that be legal? Probably not. That would probably be Karen, right? investigating all like the D and making
sure that if we were to build like the rules or maybe it's transine the >> I would think with her planning background and stuff Karen might be a good person for that >> like you know what what would this look like if we were to to do this like this is just a visioning I >> I got a question for you because you
keep talking about if we acquire the land I don't think we're going to be in business of doing this right we're going to allow somebody to do this maybe we're going to be in the business of doing it maybe we're going to generate income for the town Yeah, I'm not against I'm against us getting into that business. We we need
to govern. If somebody wants to do that privately, you know, and for a profit, let them do it. I mean, of course, we can license them or whatever and give them their premise. >> No, I don't want to I don't want to be in business. That's not what we're here for.
>> See where we go. Okay. >> See See what the best way to manage it is. I hear >> I think I got that. >> God's against >> us being a business. Yeah. >> All right. >> Don't want to be in the poop business. Come on. There's money in the poop business. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we need groceries, but I don't want to go open a grocery store.
>> I don't know if Palmy County want to be in in the waste management business, but they bought into that, didn't they? >> Can I speak to our long-standing property issues? This seems to be proliferating uh food trucks and street
vendors, street side vendors. >> Okay. So, we know that Ramsay's doing kind of getting a handle on the ones along Okchobee Boulevard, but we also know that as he gets a handle on them, there are plenty of other ones throughout the town. The truck stop on a road is one of them.
Excuse me. >> There's the one at C and collecting. There's the one at A. There's a couple more that I saw had popped up, but I didn't My brain didn't register the location. >> The one at C is horrible. >> We've got the B- Road vegetable stand. We've got the Seaw Road and Okachobee
barbecue joint that's on the side of the road. We've got over >> as I was coming here tonight where the Valentine lady was set up over the weekend was there again, but that's in the county right away, right? The county should be doing some of this
>> shut them down. I do know the seafood bar barbecue place. Um I got a complaint from a citizen I'm gonna say about two weeks ago as it was actively going on. Uh and I called Francine and she sent out code enforcement and um they called
and Francine called the health department and they shut him down. So but two days later the same person two days later the same person said I think they're cooking iguanas now. This is in the middle of our cold spell. So um >> oh my god. You know, I think that's just
one of those you have to constantly it's a constant policing thing, but it is part of the problem properties. And unfortunately, they don't just exist where you can visibly see them on Okchobee. They're like kind of all over the place. I mean, well, B-road, that nursery has a drive in, pick up your
meal, and go. Then, >> well, the guy that sets up inside the fence >> slide up >> at the nursery side. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, they've got their own little drive-thru going on there. >> Awesome. >> Uhhuh. >> Well, yeah. It's >> there's a
>> So, what what do you want to put Can we identify long-standing property issues that we've seen because we knew we know new ones pop up. So, outdoor storage seems to be one of the ongoing problems. >> Okay. So, outdoor storage of like heavy trucks and things like that. Yeah.
>> We're just going to say rental of space for outdoor storage that doesn't belong to you. >> Food trucks. >> Food trucks. Um, >> she needs a microphone again. >> I'm sorry. >> Street vendors. >> Street vendors we'll call for lack of a better term. >> Just keep the microphone back there.
>> You This is actually my >> This is your last. >> So am I, sir? Honestly, I first of all, I think it's great that you guys are doing this because I think it gives people like me and and Virginia and you just the opportunity just to talk and just, you know, kind of get some things out there,
which I think is really super that you guys started doing this. >> Here's as a new property owner and someone who has filed code complaints and I'm sure you're all aware of it. what you know when we bought our
property we were asked to comply and do the FDA and we did that and we f followed through when other people in the area have been asked to do the same thing we don't see the same it's like it's a selective enforcement and it's it
it's a really big problem you know in our situation you know that property owner was identified by your former Larry Peters in 2022 2 for building a barn with no permits and so forth and so on.
And then the people that owned the property before me filed code complaints against this person and they went to nowhere. And now we're 14 months into the process and staff has gotten involved
and continually pushes things off for no reason. And the last time that my husband and I spoke to staff about this, we were told, "Well, that's just the way it goes. You're going to have to sit and wait." Now,
this is why you have the problems with trust and new owners and old owners coming to this town and, you know, because it it should be an even playing field. And I don't understand why staff
doesn't let code do their jobs because when we questioned Karen Gardner Young, her response was that was a decision made by by the town's attorney. That has nothing to do with me. when we were simply asking why this person hadn't
been brought to code or to the magistrate because they chose not to comply, just didn't file any of the paperwork that code had asked them to do or get any of the studies done. And then they've been postponed three times. And
when we asked why, that was the answer we were given because that person decided for whatever reason. And it's a lack of trust because it's a lack of fairness across the playing field. You know, I've talked to multiple engineers
who have said, you know, gave gave us examples where, well, they were they were forced to have an FDA done in 30 days in one situation and the magistrate gave them no exceptions, whereas this person is on 14 months and hasn't even produced the paperwork
necessary. And so it's I'm sure it's h it's definitely happened to us, but I'm sure it happens to other people as well. And it just creates this lack of this lack of trust. >> So I think I think part of that
>> another one comes up two items from now. >> That's >> I don't I don't think the FDA is the issue. It's the issue of what what creates longstanding problems is lack of
consistency and and we know we we this is relatively new in our town to be aggressive with code enforcement, but we have seen lack of deterrent because of past handlings of cases.
Whether that was 100% >> removal of the fines, whether that was failure to bring these to the magistrate, >> right? No teeth. >> But why is there no teeth? Is there no teeth? Because certain people
>> I understand. So this goes back to creating metrics, right? So I think Ramsay understands that we want to see results >> and he has said that he will be building in
the checklist right and staff will be trained in how to bring these forward >> checklist. >> Can we can we put a timeline on seeing improved case management maybe is the best word? Why don't we um why don't we add code
enforcement as a category down here and handle that a little bit separately because I think it's a whole host of its own issues. >> I' I've got a I've got a thought. So the flood plane the way it was years ago was very stringent, right? And we've
lessened that now today. >> You're jumping >> and and some and some I understand but but she needs to leave. So, >> well that that's that's my understanding. It was it was more stringent before. >> Todd, do you know why it was more stringent in the past?
>> I don't. >> It was that way because Mr. Peters defined it improperly. >> I understand that. But my point is so it was more it was being applied more stringent than it should have been >> and incorrectly and the and the ones we let go were. >> My concern is people are saying, "Well,
it was extremely stringent for me and it should and it's not fair to this person that just applied last week. it's not going to be as stringent for them. And I understand that mentality that you came in at a time that things weren't done the way they should have been done, >> but we shouldn't continue that hardcore very stringent if we don't have to.
>> But that's not what she's saying >> not to. What she's saying is this person was told bring an FDA forward >> and basically said no, I'm not going to. And staff has said, yeah, we're just going to keep kicking the can down the road on that.
they have to avoid getting into just because we're not supposed to be involved. >> But Larry Peters was very stringent on some of his things and it's and it's and it's being not as stringent today and I don't want people to say well it's not fair because it was extremely stringent for me when Larry was here
was stringent and ingenuity you know took forever to get their stuff done with multi multiple revisions costing more and more dollars so that made it harder on people so they might be seeing that as being less strenuous. to get >> everybody identified what they consider
a problem property. We said the trucking property, >> outdoor storage, food trucks, street vendors, illegal dumping. >> Illegal dumping of anything. >> Illegal dumping >> of anything. >> Illegal dumping. >> Yeah, there's places where they illegally dump >> RV. Illegal RVs.
>> Campgrounds. >> Okay. >> Campgrounds, slaughter house. Is it on long-standing problem properties or is it on FDA's? >> These are longstanding properties. >> No, I'm saying is your thing on long what other longstanding problem
properties? What else have we seen? >> That's what that's what I was that's what I was asking. >> Illegal residences, so we say >> what what do you >> unpermitted residences? >> I don't know if we have >> where they take a barn and convert it into a house. shut permanent residences.
I just wasn't sure. That's right. And there's the ones that have like rooming houses. Yeah. >> I mean, is that something that would go into strategic plan? >> Use >> I don't know. >> I think it's just >> that's code enforcement >> unpermanented use. All those are all the all that's all that's all that's
>> I think that what this is is identifying longstanding problem properties. Not necessar And then the next step would be >> how do we address and what's the time to address it? I think within three, four months, we need a list of a list of
Yeah. gas pumps. Illegal gas pumps. >> That goes back to illegal land use. >> Right. >> Right. And that's where I think code enforcement has failed in the past. They they they go and say, "Well, you're doing this and but all that's illegal on this land use." >> Boom. That's the big problem.
>> Six months to identify all these. Of course, this is an ever this is an evolutionary item as well, right? >> It is. Six months to identify illegally land uses throughout the town. >> No. >> Six months to develop a an effective strategy.
>> Is that a good word? Or a proposed >> I would go three months on effective strategy. Not >> three months. >> Six months seems like a long time to develop a strategy. >> Yeah. Maybe you start attack 300 feet from Okoi Boulevard and then you expand 900 feet from there. >> Give a timeline of how you want to
>> Yeah. >> Okay. with that one >> and those all that list is an example. >> Sure. I think I got >> just wanted to bring up um and this to just kind of back up what Cynthia said in the >> FDA are like
>> no just with whenever we implement or whenever you guys go into talking about it. It has to be like across the board fair and that's see we don't see that sitting out here. I think when we get to the code enforcement topic that's the way I see this >> you have to drill down on code
>> enforcement without speaking >> right person in all fairness when I get pulled over for speeding I say it's not fair because everybody else is doing the same thing right so it depends on where you're sitting >> but if you're yeah you just happen to >> but you have to re you have to remember too you have to remember too things are things are and I know Cynthia's case is
a little different but things are really done on a complaint basis right so so Well, >> we're not Can I May I May I May I May I finish? >> Currently, except for the couple little things that we've said to be proactive
about, it's on a complaint basis. So, if you have somebody on, you know, middle of Dro, you know, across the canal from Todd, that's he's got a diesel mechanic shop. He's storing trailers. He's dumping manure. It's all on 20 acres, doing everything.
And if nobody is saying nothing, I'm I'm I'm I'm not done. I'll get to you. I'm not done. I see you. I I got you. If if nobody's if nobody's filing a complaint, right, and there's a hedge up in front, nobody can see nothing, it's
not going to get dealt with, right? Okay. So, that's that's that's my point. So, that's a different case. Okay. I I I understand we've had a conversation, right? But that's a different case, right? So, and unfortunately the gentleman in the back, he's got a case
he's been dealing with. They got a case down their road they've been dealing with for a couple years now. >> Six years. >> Six years. Okay. And and I know they get tired of hearing me. All of them heard me say it. It's a process. And that one is a process and they're working the process. Okay. So, I'm not saying and and we're we're starting to make code
enforcement more and more proactive as time goes. >> Evaluate the complaint process. >> May I? >> Are you done? >> Yeah, sure. Because complaints have been turned in. They don't enter the system. They disappear repeatedly. Repeatedly.
Repeated. I don't know what you get told when you sit down here at town hall, but I've been in the in the system. They're never in the system. They've been turned in two and three and four years ago by multiple people. Poof, they go into some ether world. >> And that's three topics from now.
>> I Well, you were on it. >> No, just because she's talking about fairness across board. I'm just saying in the current state in the current state this is the process >> and you're getting we're getting there >> it's complaint driven and the complaint >> listen wasn't built in a day Lisa and you and I have had multiple
conversations over multiple years about how messed up things are a I think we're we're b we're eating as you said and we're eating this elephant one bite at a time so >> exactly >> let's rock on >> what was what did we say council had directed staff we wanted a fourmonth
heads up on those didn't we already say something. I think it was four. >> Was it at least four minimum? >> So, four months heads up. >> So, that's 120 days. Yeah. 120day lead time. >> That's a good number. >> Hey, now
>> is that enough? >> Yeah, I was going to say some of them some of them two months is enough. Some of them you might need six months. >> Well, like I know solid waste has gone up for bid and now we might do some cooperative purchasing with with that as a as a possibility. So, >> but if we didn't, it might that would be
a long process, >> right? >> That's my point is four months may not be enough for that if we didn't do that process. >> Historically, how often or how how much lead time was council provided is did it just vary month? >> Yeah. Poof. We got to renew this contract.
>> First reading, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. First reading. >> First got on council. When I was on council before, it's like all of a sudden it's like >> it's like, oh, here it is. you have to make a monumental decision and no timing like 15 days and I need to do my research and my due diligence to make a
responsible decision. I mean I'm very uncomfortable with that process. >> So what is what is a traditional >> when we went from industry standard >> from wastro to coastal remember there was a committee and everything that was put in place. Yeah. How long ago >> I know committ >> how long ago was that committee actually set up and how long did that
>> Virginia was on the committee before she left. How long how much time did y'all have >> committee? We had what? >> No. How long before the contract was >> the contract? Like >> I think it was like they put us together like three months before it and by the time it looks like two months before the
contract was due by the time we reported out it they but the council had to put together that committee four months before. >> Yeah. So you go so if you give a fourmon heads up then okay next meeting you have to have a committee member. >> That's still not enough. >> It's not enough. So >> say it's about >> how about committees. How about
>> let's think about that. I don't know that there's >> not many if any. >> We don't know that maybe we don't need a committee. Maybe we just need time, right? So what what if major things like solid waste things, you know, I think we could I think staff could help us too. We don't just have to come up with it oursel. Um I'm clear on saying that. Um
but I think like SWA for example, things like that trash, those are major contracts, right? Six months, right? >> Small things. small things like, you know, the guy our our fence vendor and things like that. >> We just need to know
>> four months ahead. >> You may not even need four months. >> I know, but I think I think >> but >> maybe we need to define major contracts. Maybe that's what that's what we've got to that's what the glitch is. Maybe we need to define major contracts. >> Well, charter officers or major contracts,
>> right? >> Charter officers. >> Uh I would say >> solid waste. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um engineers, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Planners.
>> Engineers. Planners. >> Yeah. Those I would think six months, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What do we have like at public works that is there? Uh so we have like infrastructure
providers like her homes, >> public canal cleaning, >> canal maintenance. Those aren't major companies on us. >> No, >> I wouldn't think those are those are old. >> Um, what about here at town hall? We've got like we did them the laser fish recently. Our our website
>> major >> those that you're talking about. I feel like it's staff's job to do the research on and see what they think would work and then let us >> know that, you know, >> I'm just trying to throw out the ones I think we've talked about. >> Most of those
>> like Blackbod was a very long process to get that done. But once it was set up and we're just going to renew the contract, I don't think you need six months. Right. Originally, Blackbod probably didn't need six months because there were so many different options. But once once you're down that path, you don't need >> accounting firms would be under
engineering. accounting firms, >> finance director, >> CFO. >> Well, it's really the accounting firm. >> It's not charter. >> It's not charter. >> But like on the smaller ones, >> um auditor is you think that's a major one. >> What does it hurt if you know >> it doesn't but we can start talking
about it and saying I got a problem with this content. That's what I saying. >> Isn't that a major contract? >> Months whatever ahead. I >> think so. We haven't turned it over in a long time. But I think that's >> instead of hey, we need to renew this next month. paint job three years ago.
>> Yeah, that comes up every year. So, >> it's not >> I would go to staff and say that one of our major contracts. >> We need to go out for this one. >> But that's why we have that alternate list right now. >> No, we get that. But I'm saying we used to just have like Keshar and then we had Simmons and White for traffic. >> You think Anita of the building
department say hey I don't >> because we've had some contracted um outsourcing with them. You think that's major >> Todd? >> I'm sorry. the uh building department. We've had some outsourcing on like uh inspectors and things like that. >> We go back to the county.
>> That's a that's annual renewal right around >> is it a major? >> That's an annual I don't think so. It's it's a contract. It's annual renewal contract around the fall >> inspections like that's what we contract out, right? We needed more inspectors
and >> well, you know, we need we need to we had to renew the >> the IM staff. I'm just again what is it that we have contracts for? >> Writing down what everybody says and we can cross. >> Why don't you do a six-month thing and a three-month thing and a one-mon thing.
>> Okay. Because all the ones that are there so far except for building, I would see a six month >> auditor as well. >> Well, maybe a renewal for the auditor wouldn't be six months, but the initial would be six months. That's how I see it >> to get the get the what's available, right? Whether we're going to do
cooperative purchasing or we're going to go to bid or something like that, right? Once we have the auditor in place and we're just going to renew it every year, if we're happy with them, we don't need to see it at 6 months in advance. >> Most of those contracts are three-year contracts, generally speaking, right before the first renewal period comes
up. Do we have Anita, are you aware of any um spreadsheet or something that has these laid out for us? >> That's what we're going to get. >> Okay. Um the C MU community code
>> I think the you know what are those major write this but I think these are all six month initial two-month renewals >> two years >> right yeah exactly >> I think these are all six-month initial two months renewals >> oh the time the the lead in time >> the lead in date >> no I don't think charter charter officer
I think charter officer is always a six-month >> yes that's what she's saying it's a major contract she was saying if it was a renewal be >> renewal is two months so Just >> I I could see that being six months at a time, >> right? >> Six months old, >> right?
>> But all the rest of them, >> can I just take a picture of that? I don't have to write all that down, right? >> Well, solid solid waste initial would be six months easily. >> Rest of these would be six month initial, two month. Yeah, I see outside the charter officers
and like solid waste and >> the accountant probably six months. Okay, I'm g take a picture of him >> because I know I know the accountant's not a charter officer, but it still falls I think it still falls in that one in that realm. You know what I mean? I think >> does that work?
>> Do you get that? Everything is six month initial except for Lisa's in charge of organizing. >> There's a glare. This is bad. >> Okay, different spot. pillow lights. >> Oh, yeah. That's way better.
>> My handwriting is deteriorating rapidly as well. So, >> it's the witching hour. >> All right. And who's responsible for all this? Council, right? >> Staff and counsel. >> Staff and counsel. >> Yeah. >> We're responsible for making sure we get
notified six months ahead. >> Yes. We are responsible as council members for getting a list of when all of these come due and making sure that we get this stuff six months. Yes. Collaborate to generate a list as to when solid waste is coming through. I'm confused.
>> You have to generate list. I'm saying that once the list is generated and give it to you. It's your responsibility as a council member to make sure that we take care of this. >> It's our responsibility to micromanage staff to make sure that we get it >> in a timely manner. type of menu staff to make sure that it's on the if it's
not on the agenda to call it out when you go in for your agenda review. Say, I've got my list here. Why isn't this contract on that on on my agenda? >> I don't see I think that should be the town manager's responsibility. >> That falls upon performance metrics. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We got it though.
>> I mean, we'll have the list so we can call it out, you know, but I mean, >> but it's not our ultimate responsibility. >> These should be timelines that already exist. We shouldn't be making this up. I I agree with you. >> Take a really Let's do communications next. Something a little soft. But Lisa,
I know you've been working on this one. What kind of things do you see? >> Uh we're still obviously the Asana um is the internal communication that is hopefully going to >> uh I believe so. Um >> what's the imple what's the
implementable implementation on that? We had discussed um when Valerie and I sat down uh they were going to set up the training. I think it was a $3,500 expenditure to set up the training sessions um to have employees sign off
that they understand the system, right? Um at least at the >> checklist >> functional level, right? And then full implementation within 90 days. >> 90 days. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, I'd have to clarify all that with Valerie, but um
>> within 90 days of the training. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Yeah. That they are using it to the fullest extent of their understanding of using the system because Valerie said like Blackbod, the system has amazing capacities that far outstrip our needs. So that
if it's a team effort and you've got five identified on this project that all five are weighing in by the time that's been allotted. Like maybe Karen has to produce something and they she has a 14-day window to produce it and nothing
can happen with the project until that is uploaded and checked off, right? So I call it electronic post-it notes, right? So you it doesn't fall behind your desk or your dog ate your homework kind of thing so that they're actually utilizing it. So yes, communications was that we
>> thing I'm hearing a lot I don't know if correct me if you're wrong, but I'm hearing a lot since we have that nice young man up at the front desk. I'm hearing like a lot less complaints about the phone being answered is that's seems to have gone away >> and I believe Valerie is his his direct
uh uh supervisor on that. So she said that >> so that's good. >> The in-house training >> something we resolve. >> Yeah. So and that's an external >> um >> I would still like to see some kind of system put in place um regarding
communications. Well two two different topics. Um, I'd like to see something put in place like a constant contact or something along those lines for code enforcement cases and things so that the comp the it interested parties,
right, in or vested parties like the complaint, right, gets something every time something is done on that. >> It's on it's on my list. It's on my list to uh sit down with Karen regarding MGO
connect because the MGO connect is not very user friendly. >> You understand what I'm saying? >> Update >> little text messages that you get about stuff you don't care about. Like you have a doctor's meeting appointment next week. You have a doctor's appointment in four days. You have a doctor's
appointment at two o'clock today. You have a doctor's appointment right now. Right? There has to be some way that are for people that have building permits. And I'm thinking about the things that people complain about constantly that people have code complaints in about that people have building permits in
about where when their action is taken on your >> so some way some way that people that would like to be notified >> can can sign up to be notified >> right because you have to >> legally legally >> notification notification
process >> legally what I know out of experience those push notifications you have to opt you have to opt in for those. >> Perfect. >> And most places every time you schedule something or whatever, you have to opt in again. >> Like they have a constant thing where
you're opting in. >> Hopefully they have so that way you don't forget you opted in. You can't come back and say whatever because you know some people still don't have unlimited and get charged data and stuff like that. So you have to So they want >> So saying that anybody for maybe Cassie
Cassie would want to know what's happening with all kind of complaints. >> No, I I get it. You're you're mention >> to know that they appear. >> Yeah. You're mentioning the case or whatever. Yeah. >> That the the interested party like like
this case without being specific. the person who's who has filed the complaint or who is involved in the grievance gets some kind of >> Well, let let me give you an example. You go into MGO Connect. First off, you have to create an account that you have to give an uh a phone number for. Hold
on. You cannot just go in and say click all active code cases. You have to know an address. You got to go in and I mean it is so hard. >> Well, I want to go I I don't want to put the burden on the people to go look for it. I want the interested parties to get
notifications. I would like MGO connect to be able to say all current code cases. Click and a list pops up. Right? So whether that's whether that's then I want to say oh I want to keep track of this one. I would like to sign up for notification on this one. I don't know
what MGO connects capacities are. So that's why >> MG Yeah. So yeah, and then we also talked at the staff level about our website. So our website, if you've done ever done a website, is the bottom
barrel. Here's the cheapest template that you can get. So we talked about looking into because a lot of these guys are using Civic Plus. We're all using pretty much the same. It's like GoDaddy, right? Um, so we talked about can we
look into uh upgrading our website to maybe the next threshold and will it save labor and phone calls like can people get more information if we upgrade? So it ends up being a cost savings because we don't have people that are being pulled away and but
getting people trained to go in and use those. >> Wouldn't it be great if like some of these things could correct communicate with each other? >> Correct. like our our finance director putting the budget online, right? So maybe a sauna has a way where people can see, hey, or even we can see, hey, this
this project has moved to this stage, right? And um that's great, right? Then they don't have to call and say, what's going on with this, right? They can just see it. So that website upgrade, we may not quite be there yet because I don't know, we haven't gotten together again to discuss cost of upgrading and what
will that upgrade get us. The other kind of pet project that I had was um I wanted to um have some kind of a for lack of a better term customer satisfaction survey when people come in and get service when people come in and
sign their name at the desk and get some kind of service some kind of real quick again voluntary Paul like you said customer satisfaction survey because I think that's really important because you know what what we tend to hear the loudest
is the things that don't work right or that make people unhappy and what we what we tend to not hear and I think it's important for us to hear and know is the things that we're doing well with that we're doing a good job with and there like like it didn't even occur to
me until until we started doing this process it didn't even occur to me that I'm not getting almost daily phone calls about how you can't get anybody answer the phone at the town hall anymore and I mean and there was a point where I was getting that and since this young man's been where I'm not getting that anymore.
So, that's a good thing. >> Unless most people gave up on complaining. >> Well, to your point, >> but to your point, address address the shortfalls, but celebrate the the the wins, right? >> Yeah. >> That's
>> you had said like a customer satisfaction survey. I think we talked about at some point. >> You can you can serve as Lisa knows you can survey monkey that thing in a heartbeat. Yeah. And everybody can attach the link to the bottom of their their email signatures, you know, tell
us how we're doing, you know, and they click they click the link and they can go and it, you know, populates in in a, you know, >> have to be positive. Oh, >> whatever. >> And are you all aware we have a newsletter now? >> Yes. >> Yes, we have a news. You're one person.
Y'all y'all aware we >> Yeah, you talking about from once. >> He's shaking his head. No, I haven't seen it. You didn't hear him talking about it. We have a newsletter. You do have to sign up for it. >> Yeah. Valerie was coming >> and it comes out at the I think the third third week of the month. >> It's after our meeting. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, yes, you can sign up for that and um we've talked about sort of >> growing that. Yes. Put the newsletter on there because it's it's live. >> So, I think >> on the website, >> do you think it's realistic to set set the Survey Monkey up within 60 days? I
mean, that's way realistic yet. >> Well, we haven't gotten into daytimes. Oh, I'm sorry. We're soliciting communication issues on my >> Anything else we need to put here. >> I think that's great. >> Okay. So, now let's put some times as we had the 90 days >> and that's internal. That's what the
constant contact notification thing. >> I I think we could have an answer whether that's viable or not within 30 days. >> Okay. >> You just that's what we're looking at. Yeah. >> Viability 30 days. >> Might have something sooner. You never know.
So >> 30 days. >> Yeah, it's capacity. >> Not just me and Karen sitting down. >> It's the capacity that she's wanting. >> Yeah, I need to find out what the capacities are. >> I've never used it, so I don't want to say it, but I have a feeling. >> Um I'm just I'm going to do all this
because I was already on it. So >> yeah, website upgrade. That's it. >> 30 days. >> Do 30 or 60? >> No. >> Again, she's she's just >> Oh, is this Yeah. Well, she and then she probably has to come back to us and say, "It's going to cost $7,000 to upgrade the website. Do you guys want to spend $7,000 upgrading
the red light, but it's going to save us xyz?" >> Well, it will have this capacity. >> The monkeyy's free, right? >> It's got to be >> That should easily be 30 days or >> completion, right? >> Complete. Yeah. >> Yeah. And and and done.
>> Just going to put add. >> Okay. But the um >> I think we could promote the newsletter better >> promotion. just gonna say mode >> socials >> social um prominently displayed on the homepage. By the way, I went back and
looked at our water control district. Remember the the one went away. We do have a page except it has like the 24 budget on it. It's way outdated information and state law requires that I believe that our okay water control district has to be prominently displayed
on our homepage and then you click and it takes you to the additional page. So I know that Francine and Jeff were supposed to get back to me on that and I'll have to see where that is. I >> was going to say you did find out it is a separate page because I know you're concerned about that. >> I know it's a separate page but it's
>> Yes. Yes. That's all me. What staff is >> When you say a separate page, you mean like a separate domain? Totally. >> It it can legally be a separate page >> within within the government entity that controls it when it's a dependent >> or it can be separate.
>> Okay. >> But it has to display the current budget, right? >> It has to it has several things it has to do. And our external site by Steamline, I think is what it is that does a lot of those special district websites. That one disappeared back in
April. Um, so that's the last time I could find it on on the web thingy. >> Notice I'm skipping, but they did. Okay. Gap road analysis completion. >> Gap road. >> Yeah, that's like >> over on
>> north E, North B. >> Um, >> G squ >> G squ >> where basically they just lift out large hunks of roadway for whatever reason. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, that's the gap. Okay. Okay. So, what are we talking about? Gap. So, we're talking about where the
asphalt was left out. It wasn't fixed. >> Well, >> we know it's still dirt. >> I think what we need is a list. We need how much it's going to cost to do it, >> Greg. >> Yep. This is all public work list of all of them. You know, a timeline,
>> identification, >> a timeline, and a cost. But we can't have a timeline till we have a cost. We need a the list. Prioritize lists worst to worst of >> not only not only by worst but also by um
>> the ones with the least uh barriers to getting it done >> right. >> Okay. You know >> so what are barriers to getting it done? >> Um >> easements. >> Are we going to make them all the widest they can possibly be? Cuz have you been down a road south? >> Some lady with logs in her in her front
yard. >> Okay. So, let's just not get into >> bolds. Boulders. Get it right. >> Not her. I was talking about who I was talking about. I was talking about her. >> My point is I know that the reason that the G squared gaps exist is because the same lady owns all those properties and
she refused to give easements. But then there was some theory about if you paved it or took care of it. But I'm still not sure how you how you maintain those little gaps. So he could drop the blade and just >> oh that oh that that rule of seven years of maintenance and
>> I say we go forward whether we have easements or not because how how many years have we not had a trail system because those people on the canal won't give up their their property or give the give permission but the people on the roadside hell we're just taking your
land right put the road where it is don't go and make it wider don't go and take people's land that >> I mean look at zero zero goes around >> you need a list >> cost and a timeline
>> projected cost so create a timeline and and and allocate money we can't do that until we know >> this one's and and that's also I think a way to prioritize it if this one's $500,000 then this one's $100 makes an easier decision >> $100,000 that makes an easier decision
>> or if this one is unsafe because the the asphalt's all chewed up and it is Can we add North Road to that? >> Yeah. >> Yes. North Road. >> It's not a gap. It's just got It has gaps in it. >> Crater. >> She's talking about North. >> Gassy's got her hand up.
>> It's a gap. >> I think >> Cassie's got her hand up. >> Upper North. >> North. >> The the Ojim portion. >> Upper North. >> Cassie's got something. >> So, let's give them four months for an analysis of all of them.
>> And that's Craig. >> That's Craig. Okay. Four months. >> Yeah. >> You think it's going to take that long? >> I think he's got I think he's got a pulse on it. >> I think he does, too. >> He's given him a lot of other things. So, I wanted >> No, we haven't. >> Craig has got >> Craig has not too many 90 days. >> We haven't got a drainage yet. So, >> 90 days.
>> 90 days. >> 90 Cassie, >> you got your microphone? >> Yep. I have the mic. >> Um, when you talk about putting the road down where we're currently have Um, if
it's 18 ft, then don't go further in. And it's going to have to be you guys to reiterate, to count, to staff to quit doing things beyond that little limit. I'm watching them dig the roots of a historic tree that's been there, the
marker for years. I mean, that tree is 50, 60, 70 years old, and they have now been digging into the roots to kill it. Um, so and when and the one thing that might be is if the road's not going to be 20 ft, take that double yellow line
off so you don't have a sixft lane or a 4ft lane. >> You're preaching to the >> people will get over and people won't mind. >> Exactly. But they're not listening to you. >> Yeah. It's less than 20 ft. I said, >> "Yeah, but they're not listening when it
goes from you to him to whoever's out there." The guy told Brian McNeel of >> he's just grading it way past the 19 ft and Brian was kind enough to give him extra feet. >> That's the good thing about getting asphalt is because once it's down it's not getting wider than that. You know where the grading gets
>> but what they're doing is they want their asphalt where they want it. So they're going to kill these markers and just going to >> I honestly don't think the thought is that deep because because an individual >> So just make sure you guys reiterate. >> Yeah. The individual ran down my road and I said you're going too wide. He
goes, "That's as the plate is." I'm like, "Bro, that thing." >> Yeah, >> it pitches. >> Trying to get stuff >> succession planning. Uh, I'm going to meet with Francine with Oh, I'm trying. >> She's jump. She's waiting. >> Trying to cut it off the list. >> I can cut off real quick.
>> I'm going to type this stuff. >> We discussed the budget, but I never got a commitment from council for that. So, I'll need that at the next council meeting. I ask you all to consider $20,000. >> I think that's way too much. >> Okay. Well, then you can bring that up at the next meeting. I'm just asking you
what I'm asking you to consider. Um, and the things that we are talking about as part of it is doing perhaps something with the s the town signage which is horrible.
Um, we're talking about celebrating agurism. >> What signage are you talking about? >> Yeah. >> What do you mean we're doing something with anniversary for signage? I don't understand the correlation because we're talking about 20 20th anniversary celebration.
>> These are parts these are like all parts of it like the unveiling of a monument sign that we do fundra. >> Okay. I don't I don't that's this year, right? I don't mean again I guess I'm the Debbie Downer here. Negative Nancy. Um no offense to Debbies and Nancy's. My
mom's a Debbie. Um I don't think you're going to get a sign built by the time. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Oh, >> well, and maybe what you do is you unveil the >> the what it's going to look like. >> Yes. Okay. >> I I get you. Okay. I get you. I get you.
Okay. >> The mural is for Southern Lawn Equipment. >> That developed enough to talk about. Um, >> isn't that Red Gag? >> Yeah, Red Gag's got one going on. >> How are we celebrating agurism as part of our 20th anniversary?
trying to highlight the agurism businesses the uniqueness of our town as so >> can we make it broader just >> one of the things that I brought up I was on the council last time is you've seen the signs like at Disney World where it's like an arrow pointing to you know
>> I have said that 16,000 times Todd >> please put them at the corner of Okchobee and people pay to be included on them >> right >> X farm 2.1 miles >> celebrating >> so is that something that >> okay are all in agreement with cuz when I made a motion for it last, there
wasn't even a second for the motion while I was on the council last time. So, I'm glad that we're all on the same page. >> You've asked repeatedly for us to provide that. It's like an Ocala and you get to an intersection in Ocala and it's like, you know, Red Fin, this one goes that way. Yeah. It's like Key West 900
miles that way. deck. There's going to be chachki. There's going to be uh there's going to be swag probably coins. There's going to be swag. >> There's going to be mailers. There's going to be a celebration at the park.
Uh probably combined with Veterans Day and Founders Day probably at that same time because it's all an Octoberish time. Um so probably all in one thing. I'm gonna take a picture. >> Might kick off might kick it off since
it's the 250th anniversary of our country on 4th of July. I'm kind of aiming at at at that as our first event whatever of the 20th anniversary and try to have some like mini events between Fourth of July and the October
date whenever we pick. >> How much was spent on Veterans Day? Do we know? Did anybody know? >> About 6,000. >> Then it was eight. >> Is it that high? >> Yeah. So, I don't think 20 is asking too much. But again, I'm we can't take a vote on it now. It's what I'm asking you to consider. I'm trying to get a lot of stuff donated. I'm trying to stay in it.
I've got >> reaching out to Wellington about their stage or we going to be that big. >> Didn't you say something about a 250 and 20 logo that you guys were developing? >> 250 20 logo coin. Yeah. >> Logo coin. Okay. >> Yeah. 250. >> We talked about decals too at one point.
>> Okay. Coins and decals. >> Like people could stick it. >> Okay. Well, perhaps you find sponsors for these things, you know. >> So, but I don't think >> find sponsors. >> I don't think a agurism is it's too drilled down. I think we should
celebrate community uniqueness or something like that. Agurism agriculture >> license plate on the front of your car or >> there you go. >> Uniqueness because I think that >> Okay. So, those are the things. Can you writing it down? >> I'm going to take a picture. Yeah. That's >> Can can you do like a green market the
same day there? Maybe >> I'm working on on that >> so the agurism people can come and set up and you know like a display and that could be part of the agurism thing at the same event. >> These things are farm tours and things like that. All that's why I'm saying like kind of kick it off here
>> and end it here and those five months in between hit hard. What makes our town unique? That's like Lisa said. I also have um someone who um actually boards at my barn that does videos and we're talking about maybe making a town video at the same time of like these each of
these farms like visiting each of them and and >> you want to add video and stuff. I'll get them all on >> Yeah. And he's donating the or he's either donating the video time or I'm paying for it. I'm not sure which one, but I'm personally paying for that. So if if there is a cost I think the way he said it there isn't going to be a cost
>> is a cost that I've ever had that like >> mucks stalls when he's there buy shavings and loads my board up with him if you ever have a board pays his board on time and the other day he left $50 where where he leaves board for he left
$50 extra saying it was for um >> wait I've never had >> hay because he knows I've been feeding extra hay because there's no grass outside >> is this all a sign to you. >> This is on me. >> And then what's your timeline? >> July 4th. >> July 4th. >> Well, are you bringing it back at the
March meeting? What? What do you >> The next meeting I'm going to bring back for a budget because I can't really finish fleshing out my planning until I know how much money I have to spend and how much I have to get donated. And me and the lobbyist because she has to help me with the donating part. I can't ask people for any.
>> Yeah, right. How many times have we been told that? >> Okay. All right. So, that takes care of that one. Okay, Paul. Now, we'll jump to your success. >> Meet with Francine by uh end of next end of what were we? February here. Let's go into March.
>> Planning. >> You have anything to report or to add to this that you've >> No, nothing that I haven't added previously. >> Succession planning. So, I'm sorry. What was your date? >> End of March. >> End of March. >> COB 0326
>> 45 days. Yeah. Wednesday. This one could go away pretty quickly. >> Yeah, I know. That's >> governmental advocacy. That's I think ongoing. >> That's that's Book and and Slugget. >> Associates.
I mean, the only >> But that's staff also. >> Yeah. And staff. >> Yeah. >> All the grant writing and everything. Um, but I don't know that there's anything specific unless we want to tie this to this. >> Well, I you know I think that's that
too, but I mean honestly I mean it it it falls on us too when we're out and about and you know >> talking to who this person that person you know it's >> that's just an ongoing one.
>> Done. Speaking of which, I I when we were at was that was Christmas time when we were our holidays. We were out in Belglade and um Ian, is that his name from FPL? Eli, is there an L there? Thank you. Yeah, he was uh they're
hitting the culverts a little, the damaged ones. They're supposed to be hitting those a little harder. So, cuz I went up to him like, "Dude, what's going on?" I'm glad I saw you. >> Yeah, that that too. Yeah, that different company.
>> Got that. That's pretty much That was a short sheet, Alisa. Okay, the rest of these are going to suck. So that's what >> All right, let's start with code enforcement because I feel like that was what >> I think FEMA FDA would be faster.
>> Code enforcement. We we we said I already wrote code enforcement again, but we said sorry. Okay. Of course we said unique uniformity or consistency was >> how about appearance of consistency.
>> No, >> I don't want it to be aspirational. >> Well, I want it to be real. >> One could make the argument that what people think is not consistent, like what Todd was saying, actually is consistent. It just doesn't look that way from the glasses that they're
looking through. That's why I'm I I I'm not verbally in the camp that our code enforcement is not consistent. So, um >> how about measurable consistency? >> Okay, I like that better >> because Paul's saying this is can't
complaint driven. Complaints are getting turned in and they never appear in any form that's traceable, right? Is it happening behind the scenes? Shouldn't it be entered in the system? Right. >> Yeah. You would like to think that contact should
>> I mean you would like to think that if you if there's a complaint that that if they looked into the complaint and it was unfounded that there would be some kind of note in the system saying this is an unfounded not just >> contact right >> can I can I add transparency to that
because that's what you're saying >> not just not just >> it doesn't disappear and it's >> should be a record >> which should be anyway it's a public record >> of course >> yes but I'm going to put the constant contact here for lack have a better term. I don't know what >> Yeah. No, I got you. Yeah, it's >> but that's the whole point.
>> Push notification. >> A lot of the mis I believe that a lot of the mistrust and a lot of the thinking things aren't done uniformally are because of a lack of communication. I think that if we could solve some of our communication problems, we can solve a lot. I can tell you a lot of
conversations that I have with staff, it it is there's a lot of conversation about public perception and rectifying the public perception because I have a feeling sometimes the way things are conveyed, it doesn't come off the way that
>> Oh, sorry. >> Make sure everything's okay because >> do do your thing. So to that end, one of the things we've talked about is the purpose of code enforcement is uh compliance, right? I would add to
compliance that it's also deterrence, right? Because like Ramsay pointed out, it's the broken window theory, right? Or the broken window, I don't know what they call it. Anyway, when you close, >> right? So you drive down the the road, you see broken windows. So that's okay,
right? you drive down the road, you see outdoor storage, it must be okay, right? So, I would say compliance is important, but deterrence >> is in line with that, >> right? So, a code enforcement that is achieving that is important.
>> Yeah. But I I I think the idea is with with bringing more people compliant, doing the compliance piece and getting people compliant because that's the ultimate goal. It isn't to >> the goal isn't to foreclose on somebody's property. Right. Yes. >> Right. So
in turn you get that that what was the word you used? >> Deterrence. >> Deterrence. You get the deterrence. >> Right. >> It's it's it's all it's all a cause and effect. Right. >> So you starts cleaning up. It shows me that it's going to have a little bit of effect that people are going to be like,
oh >> I think that sorry I think that if we get the measurable consistency in place, the transparency through whichever avenue the constant contact the you know >> blah blah blah. >> I I think if we can get that in place and
>> to your point performance metrics we've talked about it for years, right? >> Um we've talked about it in here. I I think all those pieces are going to fall into place and I think if they don't fall into place within X amount of time that we say that we need to be more this
way with this if it's 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, whatever the case may be, >> right? >> Then that something's broken and then that's where we address it. >> So >> great. I I think that with with the transparency and the
constant contact um concept, which is great, the where am I trying to go with this? You made me lose the thought. >> Sorry. >> The the case management the case management aspect of it when when you talked about public trust, right? And
and building institutional trust. Again, I think that when when people put a complaint in I I know we went what was the old system, Cassie? What was the system that we used to go to to turn it in?
>> No. No. There next request. Next request. >> Yeah, there was a >> No. And then it went to next request >> and now it's back to an email at prrlocks locketgrowl.gov. >> No good. So that creating that public
record and I think oh I know what I was going to say in the quarterly reports uh I think we started the last quarter with 127 code cases there was x number of new ones there was x1 number of clos ones and actually we ended the quarter with more code cases than we started
with >> where why do these things not fall off and I think that's what Miss Greny was here talking about is there's a case and it goes to the magistrate and staff says, "Oh, well, we're still waiting for
the expert to review it." There's no FDA to review. And the woman has said, "I'm not going to give you an FDA." So, that never gets resolved. It never progresses, right? It just sort of ends up in this stalemate. And I think that's where we talked about case management
that can we see these stalemated cases. It's kind of like a cold case file, right? Are people not picking these up and moving them forward? >> Get our current ones done before. >> These are current ones. They're they're saying they're current in the system, but they're older than six months.
>> You know what I mean? They haven't been resolved like like the one that was spoke about earlier and somebody's just not whatever. >> They don't seem progress. >> It's not like it's 30 days old and somebody >> just >> talking personally here. I think that we need to be very careful about getting to
the specifics of people's correct cases. I understand the one that we were talking about earlier is actually involved in litigation, right? >> And has been involved in litigation because it is a neighbor issue. It's not necessarily a code issue. I think there's two separate tracks here. So, I just think we need to be
>> very careful about hypothetical. I think we're a very >> if you watch the magistrate hearings, which some people in this town seem obsessed with, thank God, and they're like, it came back to the magistrate and the the magistrate looks at the staff and the staff is like, "Well, we're
going to give him 90 more days, but they already gave him 90 days." Here's what I I think after watching the magistrate meetings, and this is what I have said. I think that um for the most part, we don't have the right code officers for our town. they're not famili people who
are familiar with uh rural communities and that that's like something that's really needed to be a code officer in Lockxed Rose. Um that they're not happy in their position because it's an uncomfortable situation for them. Like if we could have like 10 Craigs, right,
appable guys familiar with rural lifestyle could go out and and handle these kind of things, it would be done. But we can't and he's already got another job. So I do happen to know that you know people are are looking for jobs and are currently involved in code and that I think that we really need to look
for that the perfect person persons to be our code officers and I think that's going to make a huge difference because I think that then they're going to be prepared. The other thing is I don't think our code officers just me personally I don't think our code officer should be presenting our case. I think a lawyer should be presenting our case to
>> I don't disagree. I was going to say this is this is also a failure at the legal level. >> I think that's where we run into problems. >> It's not practical. Whether you're going to hire another attorney and well that's not the normal practice. >> We are unfortunate situation that our director of that department is a lawyer.
So um Karen's a lawyer. >> Oh, she's not a lawyer. She doesn't have her bar and she's not a licensed attorney. >> However, >> she has legal education. >> She has a legal education, >> but she often fails as well. We had the situation with a irrevocable violation
that was not brought forward that way. The magistrate gets it in front of her and says, "I have to give them 90 more days because you didn't file the violation correctly." That's not a code enforcement officer's problem. >> One night at a time thing, but I do think that certain I think only I just throwing out my ideas, Lisa. Sorry.
>> I agree. I think only upper level staff should be presenting cases. When you say when you say we need different code ops because we're rural, is it because of the mindset is different? Like at the county or you know in Green Acres, do most people comply and out here they don't apply? Is that is that the
difference or why why do you say that we need a different officer for rural communities? >> Well, I'll give you an example. I um I called in a complaint about someone who frequently parks 20 or 30 RVs in the
back of a property saying that they I believe they have an RV washing or repairing business or some some kind of nonsense like that back there. I'm not sure which one it is. >> Regardless, it's the land problem. it. We got it cleared out and I called a
couple of months ago and said they're back. Our current code officers were sent out and they said the report was that they didn't see anything. And I said, "Well, I'm 63 years old and blind."
I mean, like, try my glasses on if you don't believe me. >> Oh, yeah. >> I can see them. So, there's no way that you can't see them back. I'm just saying that like >> but that's just an incompetence saying that's not rural. >> It's incompetence because the way that they were hidden and sheltered behind
the trees. Maybe if it takes somebody who has a rural background. I'm just throwing it out there that maybe it takes somebody. >> We've had that in the past. So we >> sent our current code officers out on a complaint about manure dumping and they came back with a bag and said this is dirt and they were told that's not dirt.
That's It's got shavings in it. So it's just really old but it's it is manure dumping. So that's what I'm talking about. I think we need to make sure that in the hiring and the management that we have people who are wellversed in rural I mean
>> save us a lot of problems. I got to say if you're if you're in my opinion if you I'm not a code enforcement guy in my opinion that and just knowing multiple people in civic government.
If you go out searching for a code enforcement officer in Palm Beach County that is specifically, you know, knowledgeable of rural areas, it's going to be hard. >> It's going to be hard to find. I think I
think the the the piece is and I know everybody likes doesn't you know I think the piece is if we hire good people and we train these people and if they unfortunately if they don't work out then we get new people you know then that's and that's the that's the key is the training I think if you have a good
code enforcement or co excuse me code compliance officer um and and you train them properly to know what manure and shavings look like to know what you know 20 RVs hide behind some trees. Looks like, you know, and and you and you
invest that, you know, it's no different than hiring a guy as a as a, you know, as a weed eater operator and then you see some promise in the guy and you you start throwing him in and you teach them how to drive a skid steer loader or a tractor, right? So, if he's if they're
certified code compliance officer, score one, right? Because they're certified, we don't have to do that, right? and then we move ahead and that's >> can all agree on senior staff presents pierce the case because that goes back to something that Lisa is says a lot
which is then we have accountability if the pup gets pooched like it did at the one that she's speaking about >> I think you start micromanaging when you start saying that this is how it needs to be done >> I don't I think you say we want results these are the results we want how you get those results is irrelevant >> I agree >> right
>> I agree >> and clearing cases doesn't mean oh we just administratively cancel them. No, right. We got rid of 30 cases. >> And if you administratively cancel them, guess what? I should be able to see that online. You administratively cancel. I shouldn't have to chase it down. >> Right. Correct.
>> And then, okay, come to council and say, well, we administratively closed 50% of those because, well, we just, you know, the guy was gone. We couldn't do this. But I I I think just on that last point, I think that the the
watch t you watch TV and you watch cop show on TV, right? Detective show on TV. The detective sergeant doesn't go in and present the sergeant's case, right? When the when the when the detective when the the lawyer's asking questions about the case, they ask the the detective, right?
They don't I I get where you're going, but I I get where you're going, but I think that's, you know, I think having the senior person and then again, now we're piling more on Karen, right? So, it's like, okay, how much could one person take? >> Can I attempt to boil this down to
council has directed that cases move forward? Yes. That they don't stalemate out indefinitely. >> We have previously done that. council has asked for competency, right? And and
skills. I I don't know if that's training, right? Maybe we get Karen to present to us within 60 days, 90 days how how that she can get those things done. >> Game plan, >> right? A strategy. Yes. >> Does that make sense? >> I don't know that this even belongs on a
strategic plan to be honest with you. I think it 100% belongs in the strategic plan because we said part of our strategic plan was going to be protecting property values. Code enforcement is an integral part. I don't think site triangles and BTRs and some of the other pitly stuff that they seem
to waste time on is as big a priority as manure dumping and recognizing that that's not an RV repair shop. Land use doesn't really matter anyway. I can't see it. I can't this. I can't that. I'm not good enough. I I put in the wrong violation. I put in the wrong type of violation. These things happen
repeatedly, which is why they stalemate or they disappear, right? So, I think there needs to be not just a quarterly report that somebody's supposed to dig out and read from the consent agenda. I think that these this needs to be presented on how are we going to accomplish this? Ramsay has told us that
these people need to be trained better. He said that's part of the problem. And I I think I brought it up to Ramsay and said, "Okay, you say these people are need to be trained better when they get to the magistrate. These things don't move forward, right?" >> And he says, "Well, the training has to
be in place." Cuz I said, "What happens when you leave after the $25,000 cap has been met?" "Oh, these people are going to be trained." I'm like, "Have you seen our magistrate hearings?" It doesn't seem to happen. So, I think that as the community standards director, this is
her bi wick. She needs to present how she's going to accomplish what council has said. So, she came with Deanna. That was great. Diana has skills. We asked how many signs got violations after we said go after signs. Three.
>> Well, and then I was told that there was there was a lot of compliance without doing the violation. So, there were a lot of signs that were taken down without doing another. >> Yeah. I think they gave they gave like warning, >> right, without giving any >> should have been presented this way. No, I agree. >> We gave out 90 warnings and we only had
to go with violations were three. >> She didn't expand on that. She probably should have expanded on that. She didn't perception, right? Right. >> Perception, perception, per you know, it's >> it's incomplete. Yeah. >> Why? No, I know. But I'm saying >> No, no, no. I agree. >> So, yeah, like a game plan in how many
days? You said >> within 90 days. >> Yeah. The game plan how we're going to make this happen. >> We've identified these are the the holes that we have in our code enforcement. We've identified this is the challenges in getting these things to the magistrate. This is the challenges in getting these cases closed. They should
be able to tell us that Karen's been at this almost a year. She should have a really good idea why her department is is or isn't successful and tell us why. To me, that that's where our role is. Our our role is not
to say, well, senior staff should do this and this and you should why why do you have as many more cases than you started with? Why, you know, again, >> well, to say there's more cases than they started with, that's not really fair because there's more complaints coming in and they just can't keep up with it, right?
>> That's not fair to say you're failing because there's more cases. >> What's the average resolution time of a magistrate case? I mean, what are real statistics that are measurable, >> right? You know, >> but some of these cases you probably take care of in a week and some of them take years two years, right? Can we get
can we agree that we need to see a presentation by this by this department head? >> What would it accomplish? >> Then we know where we're starting. We have no idea why these things don't achieve what >> I think the qu I think what we should
say is we we are not 100% satisfied with the way things are going. What can we do to help you? What tools do we need to do? Do you need more money? What do you need from us? And then we could say, >> is that different than saying, "Give us a presentation in 90 days." >> Okay, >> we're we're short staffed. We need, you
know, more money. Magistrate needs to meet more often. We need a second magistrate. >> What could make more effective, transparent, and professional >> and consistent? >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. In 90 days, give us a
presentation. what can make it in 90 minutes and we know if we need to budget money and blah blah blah, >> right? >> I know they're going to say out of person because they've said that repeatedly, but that's okay. >> Present what what are we calling this? >> What a report on what can we do to make
>> code more >> achieve these present >> and professional >> to achieve above. >> Okay. And that's going to be Karen. Uh >> oh, >> that's gonna be Karen. >> Yeah. We've got two minutes to finish the last.
>> Yes, Karen. Karen. Yes, Karen. Okay. I say all we need to do is we need to revisit the FDA uh ordinance and we need to um we need to incorporate the agricultural f the own FEMA's own agricultural language in that
>> FDA. But the thing is, this is what I keep having these conversations with you guys about this before we were on here. You you can't just blanket say that not everybody's on five acres. Not everybody's on 10 acres. Not everybody's on 20, 50, 100 acres. You people that
are on quarter acres still have to comply with FDA regulations. People that are on two and a quarter acres still have to comply with these regulations. You can't just say, "Oh, we're dealing with just ad." >> I didn't. >> Okay. So, you can't do that. It's not a blanket statement. So to to me, you
know, I I think we need a to to me things were messed up in the past, right? Larry was going way off the keel over here. I think um you know, Ingenuity was doing all kinds of stuff. >> Engineer plan.
>> Listen, you know, I mean, theoretically, a civil engineer should be able to to figure this out to me. Um you know, yeah, this needs to be looked at. We have this guy that's part-time. He's reviewing. I don't see why he can't come to us and give us a report saying, "Listen, this is what the the current
is, you know, if you're over X amount or if you're bonafideed a but see, then you get a whole that whole thing about well bonafide some people said bonafideed a doesn't have to comply." Well, yes, you do. You still have to comply with >> done is we said we want a check that's put in place. What we've done is we've
gotten rid of the engineers we felt were laborious and creating wrong things. So, so we have taken some steps already, >> but the argument is the argument is that the the even the checklist and what we require with our FDA doesn't comply with FEMA a regulations and it doesn't comply, you know, it doesn't comply for
the A. And I'm I'm I'm telling you there's you you can't dump water on your neighbor. You have to store some amount of water at a blanket just to overall view. This is the way things work. Your house, your dwelling has to be at a certain elevation above base flood. you
know, you can't have um you know, your non-habitable structures can be here, but you still when you start displacing water, regardless of what your purpose you're doing it for, you have to compensate for that. So, all that has to be taken into effect. I'm
not discounting the fact that maybe Larry was doing it wrong or maybe Ingenuity was even in their long- winded way of doing one correction a piece, maybe they were doing it right. They were just making you pay extra money because you're doing one correction per per item, right? That's what I'm saying.
This new guy, I I think he's a certified flood plane manager, right? He if he's a certified flood plane manager, he is certifi he's credentialed to be able to stipulate >> I can't I can't honestly I'm sorry. I
can't >> 90 days to give us a report of what progress he's made. >> Correct. >> Yeah. and see where we're at before we start >> what we can do to adopt to make it >> right right make it more efficient. >> Yeah. Instead of going, hey, this is all broken because it might all be broken.
Some of it might be broken. >> So the FEMA stuff has been updated since our 2017 ordinance. The A allowances Paul are not you don't have to do it. It's just it's not as extreme like there's not as much engineering involved which is the overdefining I
think that's happened in the past. >> I think some engineers have taken advantage as well. So just I'm I'm not going to go on. >> So and Cassie's waving her arm. You still have that microphone. >> Uh the definition of a small project and a large project were defined as a large project in our current policy.
>> Correct. Which is how they >> own Mr. I have FDA guy 90day report >> to give on what's going on with this, how we can make them jive in align, >> what problems we're seeing now and how and and what kind of resources that we
need to allocate to fix it. >> I could be wrong, but I think he's a civil engineer and he's a certified flood play manager. So, >> so sorry that I don't >> Sorry about that. But yeah, so I mean I think that you know 90 days >> for time. So let's do this one really
quick. So the neighborhood strategy. Where is pump gateous? What are we doing? We've got >> we have um >> said get dunk back. >> We have uh >> we still need clarification on on >> culverts.
>> Speak that resiliency studies that it is complete now and ready for us to take a look at >> with old what's his name? Um, and then we have Department of Commerce and other grant applications in for the weird pumps, cows, gates, and all these things which are well above anything we could
ever save in the next >> right >> 50 years to fix. Um, but we did talk about the little neighborhood drainage strategies like the little areas like, you know, um, like up where Jody Jensen lives on the north end, like trying to take little project areas like that. And
remember March last year, the year before, I think it was before anybody else was on council where where Laura was still on council and we have held aside $150,000 potentially to go to one of these projects to go to matching for one of these projects or something like that. So um
so I would say >> well grant applications is that what that stands for? >> Yes, absolutely. >> And then we have appropriations. >> Apps and approps. Okay. >> Yeah, I think >> still waiting on
>> Can we get Craig to give us a list of I'm sure he has a big handle on some because he was saying something to me one time. He has a handle on some problem areas that have some real drainage issues. >> Just fix and like we got to do it one bite at a time and then we got to pick the ones that are
>> hopefully going to have the most farreaching. >> Well, yeah. Will some resolve others. If we fix this, >> will it slow that problem or buy us time in this area? >> And can we get to fix that because we don't have access because somehow
someway we lost the right to go up and clean that ditch out >> right between those two properties like >> Yeah. >> So what does this look like? >> So this looks like we can't really do anything about this until we get the money >> going. I see it. So that's on with basically the lobbyists. Um at this you
can ask Craig within we've given >> I missed that >> the neighborhood drainage strategy >> within and I know Richard's done a lot of did a lot of work on this before he left so ask him within >> say 90 >> we've given him a lot of stuff
>> this is gonna he's be like his third thing >> okay and I think like you said I think Richard did a lot of work with he and Richard did a lot of work so >> meeting too right? >> Like what are the four or five neighborhood projects in our town and
what would that might actually do it and then you know I don't know we've got the 150 right sitting there right maybe we maybe first neighborhood to say that they'll do the matching is the one that wins you know like or see how much they cost right whatever I don't know we
we'll have to develop a strategy to how to implement it but >> well and there's roads too like like not that this is specific but I'm using it as an example clear It's an example Los Angeles for example you got house on both sides there's no clear ditch there no so there's no clear drainage you know
when you go outside of our town to you know like Indian trails every road has a has a ditch that was built in you know from back in the day so that will help you know but then again we got to own easements etc like that so
I think 90 days is good because you probably got a start on it already >> did start on this one it would be a matter of finding it but I believe there's Good start. Okay, guys. We did it. And we're just a little You said only >> with the resiliency study. How many days do we >> Yeah. Thank you for the clarification.
We don't have these. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure somebody say you got to have I don't think so. >> To identify some we already have kind of used it. The list I made, Lisa, I'm sorry, let me clarify was things that we've already done or already in process to do it. So the resiliency study with
what we use is to identify some of these neighborhoods and these things these >> I understand but it's on the list for what reason like is are we utilizing it for something new >> I hope so >> okay who who we tasking it with and is there is there time >> needs to use it to to make this
determination the resiliency study >> is part of what we need to use to do that because the resiliency study speaks to >> where our biggest >> that's really internal that's not nothing that's coming back to It's just simply making a list of what we >> Okay, but in the past we've we've been
asking. So, but the matching 150, we're going to task that to Craig. >> Well, no, again, that was just me saying that I know we have that money fitting there. We're tasking with Craig to look at the different neighborhoods for each project >> possible use
>> and let us know this one looks like it's going to cost 300,000 and take six months. This one looks like it's going to cost 800,000 and take >> and he's going to give us that in 90 days. Okay, I think I got it. Just want to make sure I noted it properly. Okay, I'm going to type this. >> I want to point out how many of these
things >> are put on the back of our local lobbyist. >> And if we and if we didn't have that contract, then >> 30 or 40% of what we just did is flushed down the toilet. >> Yeah. Because there's no staff to handle, >> right? No. Well, >> so and and that doesn't bring checks to
us, right? all those duties and responsibilities. Somebody says, "Well, we paid we pay $80,000 a year should show us where you brought in $100,000." But that those projects aren't going to do that, right? >> But they're going to save us. >> I don't think any >> I agree. >> I think some of them would have got to, but I don't think >> right.
>> You can't write all those grants. You can't do >> Congratulations, guys. I don't think we're done yet, but I think we just put a big chunk. >> All right. Uh, who would you like me to share my typed up notes with? because I'm not going to attempt >> the town manager >> and the >> and Valerie the town clerk the town
manager and all of us >> okay >> Peter Ben don't reply all but you have been replying all >> yes you have cuz I I will be at the reading thing I'm going to that yeah we've all been
yes and you're replying all and we're all getting it >> well you know she has she has been >> I'm glad she's going >> we're done Yes. >> And I almost repli I think I replied. Oh, I almost replied.