18 town council meeting will now come to order. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And I'd like to use our moment of silence tonight to just let you all know that on Thursday I presented our fireworks bill to the local legislation and um the lo local delegates and uh we
passed unanimously. So it's going to Tallahassee, guys. So congratulations to us for a win. All right. Um if we could have a roll call, please. Val. Council member Coleman is not currently present. Council member El Remy
>> here. >> Council member McClendon >> here. >> Vice Mayor Herszog here. >> Mayor Kaine. >> Town Manager Ramalia >> here. >> Town attorney Kurtz >> here. >> Community standards director Gardner Young. Okay. Um I need a motion to approve the
agenda. >> Make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Agenda passes 3, two, one. All right, we have a presentation for health insurance renewal by the Garrett
Group. >> So, I do want to point out we only have 30 minutes. >> Yeah, if you could keep this very brief, that would be great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good. No. Um, >> hello.
>> Hi, my name is Melissa Mley. I'm from the Garing Group or Strategies, your insurance broker. Have been for the past few years. So happy to be back here this year. Uh, very quick this year for me to get up here and do our presentation. So what we have in your packets is of course our recommendation as we do every
year and then also our renewal evaluation information. So I'll start with our recommendation for the January 1st 2020. >> Excuse me for one moment for the record please. Mr. Coleman has joined the meeting.
>> Can I go? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh so we'll just start with our recommendation. Your renewal is on January 1st, 2026. So you have many different lines of coverage. Our renewal of course is to renew with every single carrier that is
currently in place. Uh one change on the medical. So we'll talk a little bit about that. So currently your medical is with Florida Blue. You're in the small group under 50 market. You have one plan to that all the employees are on along
with a health reimbursement account. This is the year that last year we started the HRA. This year will be the second year and the amount of money that they get in their HR is dependent upon their wellness activities. So, we tied it to their wellness. So, that was
great. And we're going to uh recommend that you still continue on with the blue care plan, but move to a composite rate as as opposed to the agebanded rates. So, currently right now you are age
banded. So every single person uh has a cost related to their age including the children. So moving to the composite rate, every person who is enrolled as a employee only gets one rate and that actually is saving you about $7,000 to
move to the composite rate from the age banded rate for 1126. Every year we analyze the age banded versus the composite and this is the year that the composite finally comes out to be a little bit cheaper. Usually it's not. So it's
finally because you're over 20 employees. So that's that's the key uh with your group. So we'll continue on with the Florida blue and move it to the composite rating. And you'll see in the background here on the renewal evaluation, you can actually see the
numbers and we can go through that or that can be something you review on your own. And then of course we have a flexible spending account. The employees put their own money into this. So we recommend continuing moving on with the flexible spending. Dental and vision are
voluntary coverages. The employees spend their own money on these. Dental got a slight increase and vision got a slight decrease. So, they'll probably come out to be whole again. Uh, basic life insurance, the town pays for this coverage at 100%,
of course. Um, and this got a um no increase because it's under rate guarantee for another year. Your STD that the town pays for is under rate guarantee for another year. And the LTD that the town pays for is under rate guarantee for another year. So, all of
those are staying as is. So, no increase. We'll see next year what the Hartford comes back with for renewal for January 1st, 2027. And then if more details are needed, you can look at the renewal evaluation where we just put in there, of course,
your renewal numbers on the first page. And then the renewal with the composite rating. So you can see all the differences of what each employee would pay more or less in the town's cost versus the age banded rates. And you'll
see that the increase is 7.2% under composite versus 11% under age banded. So that's your savings of 7,000 between those two percentages for the increase. And then we just put a couple more options in there if you wanted to look
at the options of moving your plan to a different plan design. Uh you always have the option to to do that. So we wanted to make sure that that was in there, but of course you're within your budget. Um always at the under 10%. Which is uh you know where you'd want to
be. >> Everybody Anybody have any questions? You want to reserve them the next meeting? >> Oh, battery's dead. Okay, go ahead. I see you. I see you clicking. >> Uh, so was any other insurance I know
Valerie, this is your ballet wick. Um, >> she just said there's comparisons on the West Pay >> for Blue Cross and Blue Shield, right? There's different Bluec Cross, Blue Shield. >> Yes. United Healthcare is the only other insurance carrier that's an option for your group in the under 50 market and
they are about 30% over your current >> municipal insurance group. Did we look into any of the state employee groups like uh government employee groups? This is all private. >> Yes, this is this is the there's two insurance carriers in the under 50
market. >> Okay. >> Florida Blue and United Healthcare. >> But there's also municipal insurance. >> If Are you speaking of FMIT? >> FMI. Yeah. Acronyms. Um so there's a couple of them. There's I think two. >> Nope. There's only one. FMIT. >> FMIT.
>> That is it. I did not get a a a rate from them because they're with United Healthcare and last year they were not competitive, but certainly could get a rate. >> Thank you for answering that. That was my question. Would they be competitive or not? Thank you. >> Well, we can find out.
>> Anybody else have any questions? >> Okay. Do we want to vote on this now or do we want to move this to the um December 2nd meeting so we have time to review the numbers? Review. >> Yeah, it was intended as a presentation and um it'll be presented. It'll be on
for voting um on December 2nd. >> Thank you very much for your time. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thank you for coming and all the work on this. By the way, >> we have priced with United Healthcare and the League of Cities in the past and we thought that they would be less
expensive, but they are not. We also looked at trying to give people um including this year individual dollar amounts like if the cost of the average employee is $1,000 if we gave each
employee $1,000 so they could go buy their insurance could we save money and the answer to that is no because in order to do that you have to go ahead and do something called I choice plan and I choice plan is 30% more. So while
the answer to your question, council personnel Remy, was no, we didn't look at the League of Cities, we didn't look at it because we know we don't fit the insurance that they provide. What we did do instead was look at if we could give people money to go to the marketplace
and see if we could save money and that too was also more. So when we say there's only two companies that serve this market, those are the two that we go to because we've looked everywhere else to see if anybody else can serve
the market. Did I explain that correctly? >> I'm sorry. Did you want me to say that? >> Yes. I think that was the answer that everyone needed to hear. >> Okay. Thank you. And >> and for those >> Great night. Thank And for those at home in the and in the audience, the the
town's STD is short-term disability. >> Yes. Thank you for clarifying that. I sure appreciate. Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Um item number two is um taken off. We don't have the contracts for you. We
will put them on December 2nd. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda which consists of item? >> Question. Did we have the backup material at the time this came out for item two? >> The backup material for item number
three came out on Friday. Um it was sent out on on Friday uh or posted to the agenda on Friday >> for catch >> but three's been removed. What two has been removed? >> Two has been removed.
>> Two is removed but okay. So three came. Um, so that's been removed and three didn't have the backup when the agenda came out, >> right? I guess it got sent to us got sent to us on Friday. Um, >> yeah, there were there were ongoing discussions with Keshavar
um on that item as I indicated in the memo. The issue arose on uh Monday um and um Keshvar had to examine their records and then provide us with some information. um that went
out on Friday. Uh there was a supplement to the agenda that was posted and um if the the primary driver is that the um state on the D grant um or I'm sorry,
the the resiliency grant wanted uh us to give them information as to when the contract would be updated by November uh 20th. So, we were hoping to actually give them the updated contract. Um, if you want to defer this matter till uh
the December meeting, we can advise the folks at the state that they can anticipate um the revised contract uh in early December. So, we're trying to expedite the matter. >> The purpose of the contract amendment is
to expedite a reimbursement of state monies. >> Okay. Okay. So, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Why do we bother? >> I I started it. Okay. Um motion to approve consent
agenda. Only one left is number three. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I posted passes 4 to one.
Okay. Onto the regular agenda. Item number four, Valerie. >> Consideration of approval on ordinance number 202509 on second reading. An ordinance of the town council of the town of Lockahachi Grove, Florida, reorganizing and amending chapter 14 code enforcement by adding article one
in general and article 2 lean reductions and releases. Amending section 14-4 application for relief from code enforcement lean to provide general provisions applicable to lean reductions and releases. To adopt section 14-5, special magistrate lean reductions and
releases. to address reductions by special magistrate to adopt section 14-6 other lean releases to address partial releases on leans and releases of unforcable unforeseeable leans and for other purposes providing for conflict
severability codification and an effective date >> and this is second reading and a public hearing has been scheduled at this time. >> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 2025-09. Do >> have a second. You want to open it up for public
hearing? >> We we Okay, I am now opening it up for public hearing. Lisa, you want you have a question? >> I do. Uh on the I believe the language is um that the town manager,
Jeff, guide me on this. the town manager is the one that makes determinations um >> as to whether or not uh there is a life safe healthy >> correct is that always the town manager because are we we might be talking about
the building inspector the health department is is that the right language limiting it to the manager >> the I think it's the manager or their designate um and the reason that it is
the the manager is because within your framework of the charter and the ordinances uh the only specific person or department that is identified is the is the town manager. So that's the one employee that you're always
going to to have and that's why um generally when there is an administrative function um we appoint the the town manager or their designate. Um with respect to to this issue remember this is not
during the code enforcement process itself that the designation takes place. This is after there has been a a lean and um someone comes in for a reduction of the lean. The manager makes takes a look
at the underlying case and makes a determination as to whether that uh violation that resulted in the lean had to do with um a life safe life safety or health um matter uh that impacted a
person or could have impacted a person. >> So by state statute though are we are we circumventing like the health department? Right? Because >> no th >> remember
>> because obviously this is not as timely as in a code like a an acute code situation. This is obviously time has passed. >> This is this is after the fact that there has been the the the violation has been determined. There's a lean that has
been um running outstanding and some >> and somebody Yes. and somebody is coming in and requesting a lean reduction. There is nothing in state statute that requires um the town to grant a reduction. And so
um what we've set up here is this duality of of systems in that most things are going to be able to go to the the special magistrate. One of the exclusions is if it is determined that the underlying violation
um in affected uh or could have affected life, health uh and safety of a person. In that case, the special magistrate can't hear it. Um, and it goes to the the town council um as a first or a um
you you folks can can deal with it and your decision has to be um unanimous and there has to be at least four of you voting on the subject to uh grant any relief. >> So my other question then leads to that
that $5,000 appeal process. Is that by state not considered punitive? Um I was looking through some case law and some opinions and really couldn't find anything specific other than the word punitive.
>> Once again once again this process is something that is not mandated or directed by state statute. This is the process that uh the town is coming up with to consider these matters.
Uh the $5,000 um was arrived at um to be consistent, if you will, with um the direction that the council gave with respect to special
magistrates not being able to reduce um fines or grant partial uh releas I'm sorry, reduce leans or give partial releases of leans. um uh for uh a less
than a $5,000 uh collection amount. Um so that limitation on the $5,000 as to what the council might consider, you being the body um that represents the town that owns the lean, you can reduce
that lean to a zero amount if you think that that's appropriate. Um uh but the town would still be collecting the $5,000 to petition you all for that because
um as I said, it's consistent with uh uh what the special magistrate can do. And it also involves a situation in which we're going to have to take up uh your time at a meeting and uh you're going to have to listen to a presentation and and all those kind of things and consider
the matter and staff time. So, >> did you have any more questions, Paul? >> Yeah, I I don't think it falls into the lines of punitive because this is in instance where somebody's paying $5,000
to get this application done. They have tens of thousands, 50, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of, >> you know. Yeah. So that's So yeah, I don't think it's punitive to charge $5,000 just like it's, you know, $2,000
to get a application for a variance on the ULDC. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's it's kind of like we don't want to be processing application after application after application. So it's kind of >> Yeah. And presumably Yeah. Presumably if
the folks could pay it off for less than $5,000, they would do that. >> And I found a typo. Tell me >> the the determinations made by the Tijuan manager or designate >> on page 14.
>> Page 14. >> T1 Tuan Tuan. Yeah. TWW. >> Better than a star. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Uh do we have any public comment on >> Oh, in the um
>> in that's in the the memorandum. very left in the Yeah, it's not it >> it's not in the ordinance. Yes. >> Page 14 of the agenda. >> Got it. Yeah. >> No, I just >> Valerie, we got 10 minutes to get through these three items. Do you have any public comment?
>> No. >> No. >> Okay. Can we have a vote then, please? All in favor? >> I >> I >> opposed. Opposed. Four passes four to one. Okay. Okay. Number five, >> consideration of approval on ordinance
number 202519 on first reading, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Lockxahhatche Groves, Florida, calling for a referendum of the qualified electors of the town of Lockahhatche Groves to be held on March 10th, 2026 as to whether the town of Lockahhatchee Groves charter shall be
amended in the following respect. Amend paragraph 2, appointment removal compensation, filling of vacancies of section 4, administrative of the charter to provide for charter officers to be removed from office by a majority rather than a supermajority vote of the full
council and providing for severability the repeal of laws and conflict codification and an effective date. >> Any comments from anybody? I >> think you have to open the public hearing. >> Do I have to open this as a public hearing? This is not a public hearing item, but you may take comment on it if
you want. >> Okay. Um, if nobody else has anything to say, I I just have one thing to say. I had a I was thinking back on some I I I understand that it was the recommendation of the charter committee to move it to three
um to a simple majority so that they match. But I remember a conversation that we had up here and we had talked about requiring a super majority for both. So I was wondering this is something that has to go out as a referendum, right? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So I was wondering if it would be possible to put it out in the refer referendum as that both either require a simple majority or a supermajority and let the voters decide that because I I do agree that they they should be
consistent. Firing and hiring should be consistent, right? And we're changing the one to make it consistent with the other. But in my opinion, we're going the wrong way. I think it should take a supermajority to take either of these actions because they're pretty
significant actions to take. Um, so I was wondering if the referendum, are you catching my drift? Can be worded, you know, checkbox A if you think it should just take a simple majority to do both or check box if you think it should
take a super majority to do both. Okay. >> No, you cannot. Well, I don't think you can give that kind of a choice. You can propose an alternative. >> It's a super majority because I think that this is a a pretty um significant change that you're talking about making
and it should be something that all of council or a majority a supermajority of council agrees to doing one way or the other. So that's just my opinion. Know how else feels about it. Lisa obviously has an opinion. Go ahead. So, we are one
of the few charters in Palm Beach County that even requires a supermajority for anything for this for this higher fire thing, right? We're we're the only we're one of a handful that even requires a super majority. That that is
a a false hurdle that was established when we were a different model. And um I I don't recall the conversation of supermajority both ways. So uh I'm I'm in support of how it's presented
tonight. Todd, >> so I have mixed feelings about it. You know, I'm open to the public voting on it because that's what the committee asked for and we give that ability for people to to do that. On the other hand, I think it's going to be more difficult
if you have it where there's three. Of course, I'm going to vote against it when it's time to vote at the ballot box. And my reason for that is we already have a revolving door with town managers already. Could you imagine if it was easier to get rid of one, we'd probably be on number 10 instead of
seven, right? So, that's my concern, right? So, we have a supermajority vote on other things, right? The uldc and some of the stuff in the comp plan and whatnot. And we do that because like like Anita pointed out, these are major decisions and it should be really
thought through instead of just three people deciding because we've seen three people get elected to the to the court council at the same time that could walk in and fire the town manager and the town attorney overnight. And those are major decisions that should be really thought out long process. Um so but I I
see both sides to it but I'm fine with letting it go the way it is even though I'm going to vote against it. Paul, >> I mean, I think there's there's checks and balances in place for that. I mean, you know, the contract is, you know, most contracts have
clauses in them versus, you know, improper termination and things like that. So, I mean, I think, you know, to just walk in and say we're going to get rid of somebody without cause, you know, that yes, it's quite simple to do, but I mean, you know, we sat up here and
bickered about a contract for hours on end and still didn't come to an agreement. We really kind of came to like a halfway middle ground, I think, or something, you know. So, I mean, I I don't know. I I I've always been I've said for years that you know that the
the the the three to higher four to five thing is just doesn't >> I I agree 100% it should be the same number for both right >> I just am thinking that it should be the super majority but if you know the majority of you disagree with that I'm okay with >> and I don't I don't I don't prescribe to the well you're never going to get a
town manager because you know there's no security >> well it's not just that there's multiple issues required That's just one of them. That's all. >> No, I mean I I just Yeah, I think there are multiple issues why, but I mean this Yeah, just for that simple reason. You're never going to get somebody to
collaborate town manager. >> It's just adding one more to the group 10 reasons. >> I support years. I've been saying it for years. So, >> anybody else up here? Do we have any public comment on this item? Okay. Stand.
Virginia standish full disclosure I didn't serve on the chart committee that's previous and it came down to being consistent and if it's 32 to higher should be 32 to simple and by the fear-mongering well we
can fearmonger everything come on we live in the real world and bottom line the town clerk can always serve as a town manager until someone is found. It's inappropriate. Oh my god, we'll never find anyone. Please, we're all
adults here. You take what the pool is. You deal with reality. Um, again, a super majority makes it difficult to agree on anything. We've seen that at this council. It's uh more appropriate
for planning and zoning. I don't see why it's an issue of keeping a simple majority for hiring uh staff or you know specifically town manager. Thank you. >> Anybody else? No. >> Make a motion to approve ordinance 2025 19. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I passes 5 to zero. Okay. Item number six, >> consideration of approval on ordinance number 202520 on first reading, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Lockahhatchee Groves, Florida, calling for a referendum of the
qualified electors of the town of Loxahhatchee Groves to be held on March 10, 2026 as to whether the town of Loxahhatche Groves charter shall be amended in the following respect. Amend paragraph 4. Town attorney of section 4 administrative of the charter to provide
the attorney's required review of contracts, bonds, and other instruments shall be as further defined by ordinance or resolution and providing force severability, the repeal of laws and conflict, codification, and an effective date. >> Motion to approve ordinance 2025-20.
>> Any discussion? >> Any public comment? >> Are there any public comments? No. Okay. All in favor? I oppose passes 5 to zero. Okay, we are done with the time that we allotted for this meeting. So item
number seven, we'll have to move to our uh December board meeting. December 2nd meeting >> December second. >> December 2nd meeting. >> We actually have one more minute, >> but that's not enough time. So we're going to move that to the December 2nd meeting. And I can >> talk about the workshop during our
workshop. Of course we have >> just moving the officials voting on >> Okay. So can I have a motion to to >> to adjourn this motion to >> all in favor? I meetings adjourned that
we take our >> take our other seats seats ladies and gentlemen >> and start our workshop. Thank you staff for your time. Certainly appreciated. >> Thank you. I know, right? >> Did you get your cookies? Cookies.
You're going to need your cookies. >> I'm glad I forgot mine at home. I went >> I was going to Costco. I'm like, "Oh, I got to stop and get >> surprised they lasted that long on my desk." Hello.
>> Oh, cookies. Sties cookies. Have a good night. Thank you for your time. Interactive jump. Well, >> just kidding. >> Okay.
All righty, guys. We're going to forget all the wedges and things like that, but we've done that already. >> I want to make a suggestion that we put one of these up there. >> Because these work great. That thing doesn't work very good.
>> Are they the new ones or >> But we can't vote on it. We got to wait till November. >> It is November. >> December. December. >> December. December. You know, you know what I where I was going. >> While you're stepping my little sarcastic jab at it.
>> All right. Um, so there were a couple of things that we had said that we wanted to talk about tonight. Um, continued from the last meeting. Um, I know one was the um the uh actuate consulting
uh I'm just going to kind of make a mini agenda here. The actual consulting report. Help me out guys. What else was there? There was the actual consulting report. >> The uh we were supposed to get the list of priorities from staff but I think we
can make up our own. No, I think we should have the list from >> it's like 165 items, >> right? >> Yeah, I think >> we'll put that at the end. >> I think we can figure out what might >> it might serve us to kind of maybe
discuss what our priorities are and then see how that lines up with >> right >> what the list is. >> Well, that's what it was. The list isn't in a priority. It was we were asked we were given a list that said order it for your priority list of >> it's been it's been called into groups.
>> Yes. >> Right. But I think it's you know we we could probably >> get you know I mean I think all of us think infrastructure is a problem >> and things like that. I think. Yeah. >> And then uh we have a request from the public to talk about FDA's being amended
for agg and about tree mitigation conflict. Okay. I think that probably will take the bulk of our time. Shall we start with the actual consulting because that's kind of been hanging around for a while? >> Yeah, unfortunately. >> I'm sorry.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have mine. >> Why not? >> Cuz I ran out of my house after I ran home really quick and I left it in my work truck. >> Do you have an old agenda? Cuz it was in >> it was in the old agenda. >> Don't wait on me. I'll catch up.
Um, do you have your last week's agenda? Maybe out in your truck because it's in there. Oh, you have Oh, right. Okay. Or or on your iPad is right in front of you instead of there. >> My old >> Okay.
All right. Anybody want to jump in there? Well, I think it's it's not anything that wasn't known to to most people. I think maybe the degree to some of it um is probably the more clarifying aspect
of this. So, uh I think that the the really important part was demonstrated tonight. Council doesn't keep they doesn't keep their word, right? We said if stuff is not available, if it's not provided on the
agenda, it's not covered. We approve two items or three items for discussion tonight and and for the meeting. And we get a we get an agenda that has seven items and a one of them is a presentation. So, I think it it still behooves council to actually effectively
serve as the executive board and and keep the parameters clearly defined. And I think that was one of the overarching themes here is things are not clearly defined and I think that starts with us because we can only control us, right? >> 100%.
>> So I think that that's something that we should be focusing on >> and we keep saying that's our policy and then we keep breaking the policy. >> Well, I mean here's my thought process. The reason why government takes so long is because of all these, you know, so if
the if Teshavar, let's say, didn't get the the the contract to us in time for the town attorney to, you know, look at it and review it to get it on the agenda, do we just push it off? And there's some things that are not pressing that we can press push off, but the thing that we just voted on was
something that was pressing. That's why I went ahead and voted for it. Even though it wasn't on the agenda, >> it wasn't pressing other than the state wanted it by the 20th and that it could have come later. >> It could have, but I I didn't know what kind of hiccup that was going to cause if it slows it down a month on us getting funding for something. >> But you have children.
>> I I No, I hear you. I know. >> This This is a behavior problem. >> But everything's not black and white. Sometimes there's a gray area, right? >> But you got to if you don't set a a structure, then there's no structure, >> right? But if you tell your kids it's 9:00 p.m. curfew every night and
something happens and they're, you know, >> but this happens every meeting, Todd. This is not >> I a once off blue moon had conversations with them at length about it. I can assure you. >> But until council says, >> but then we're cutting ourselves is the problem.
>> Are we? >> We are. There's some things that if we didn't do it and we push it off a month, then there's things that aren't progressing that we want to progress. >> Okay. Well, that goes back to our priority list >> cuz I'm not sure what comes forward on these seven item agendas when we approved three things was what we would
have prioritized. >> Well, if we had got on if we hadn't get to some of those items, then they would have been pushed off. Like the you know the one the one item number seven was pushed off. We got it done at by six o'clock. You know, that was the point, right? They had a half hour. I mean, I I did
try I did try to stick to the, you know, we said you could have a half hour and that's it. And we didn't get through the whole agenda that was presented. So, that was that. I was definitely not thrilled about the health insurance presentation taking the first 10 minutes of our 30 minutes of another
presentation to be put on the >> didn't happen. I think that I think that when a polling was done and I think that enough council members said exactly what you're saying, no, you're not adding another, you know, we have 30 minutes. You're not adding another presentation.
It's not it's not our emergency. It's not a town emergency. But I I do concur with Todd that anything that will get us our funding back. I mean, there there are there has to be a gray area. But I agree with you that that a that this report clearly says that leadership has
issues with communication and with working in harmony and we are the leadership. The five of us and whatever five people are sitting in this seat are are are that so this is this is >> but I don't I don't I don't read this as saying it's solely the this leadership that has the problem.
>> I agree there. >> There's there's leadership on down as well. >> Correct. But it proper but we're the top >> but but I I understand what you're saying. We're the top and and and it's been put in a contract and told that we need to give a clear, >> you know, um
>> guidance >> guidance, you know, path for priorities. >> How many times has council done that? >> Multiple times. I'm not talking about this council. >> Yeah. They sat weeks or months or whatever working on a whiteboard and got this 165 item list that really when you
>> get 10 work 10 >> have an a list this >> this list is >> you know it's it's grouped into stuff and but the thing is is there's no you can't even tell it's done because the
done stuff's just taken off the list. >> Well, and here's one of the problems >> and there's no and there's no there's no action items section >> 98% something, right? Yeah. We don't know. >> Yeah. All this stuff. Yeah. There stuff could have been like this could have been 165 60. This could just be 100 in my hand. 65 could have got done. We can't We don't know what's done. We
don't know what's pending. We don't know what has the highest priority and what's it like an action item that we need to discuss how how we're going to move it in. And I think that's where we're going forward. But, you know, I think there's a clear, you know, there's, you know, double assigning things. I think the the
mention of the use of the software that we already own, right? Asauna. >> Yeah, thank you. Is is you know we have tools in place >> that aren't being used. Yeah, I think there's some some movement to start using those tools, but I think that definitely we that needs to be a
direction from us that this is >> this is a an you know a zero or what's the word I'm >> but I I I would um I would disagree to me that's a management that's we should not be dipping our toe to me that is
micromanaging right they >> improve efficiency and if aauna is the way that they they go about improving that effic efficiency. Great. >> Well, I think we say we have we have purchased this or you came and we as the council or previous whatever has approved the purchase of this tool and
you're not utilizing this tool. So, one of our directions is you need to start utilizing the tool more to become you know because >> well do we say that or we say we've provided tools for efficiency we expect them to be utilized >> more effectively. So, we have to be
careful not to micromanage, not to step outside of our lane because one of the problems and one of the discussions that I've been having for the last year with staff is that there's not um there's not sufficient efficiency and communication. And one of the biggest problems that I saw when I first came on council was
that um nobody was staying in their lane. Okay? Everybody was, you know, had one foot in their lane and one foot in the next person's lane and it and it was and it was a problem, right? Because you're not getting your job completely done and you're worrying about whether that person is. And so I've been really trying to, you know, and that had
Francine did like a re, but but I didn't tell Francine how to do it, but I said, "You need to find a way to have everybody stay in their lane." And she did. She did a reorganization. She did the department and the heads and all that stuff and and made that clear. So, but now it's got to be more implemented.
Okay. More practiced, I guess, is >> Well, I guess to my point to my point, >> very effective with the water. Uh I mean their little groups that have their tasks that they do repeatedly. I
mean they come to work, they know what they've got to do, >> right? They've got a schedule. >> Yeah. >> In my mind, micromanagement is telling her, "Okay, this person is to do this task. This person is to do that task. This person not going the town purchased this tool. The tool is called X, Y, and
Z. I don't care if you say well you have the tools, use them." It's the same as saying you have this tool called Asana. you need to use it. It's the same thing. >> So, would a compromise be? We would like to see the uh >> I'm not I'm not >> Well, no, >> I'm not looking for a compromise,
>> but how does I'm just You measure this and I know where you're going, right? How do how do we finish? >> How do Well, how do we encapsulate that and and direct the manager? And then how do we set a measurable outcome to that,
right? Is it getting is it 40% utilized now? Can we get it up to 60% utilization, right? Is it >> Well, I don't think we should limit it just to the ASA. I think that I I think that we have to incorporate all of the suggestions we've made like staying in your lane, like, you know, like and and
then yes, find a way to >> measure it. I I agree. Um, >> but I'm looking for a more broad direction that we can give to staff that is um not as um micromanagy, you know, that is more like um something and I'm
just throwing stuff out there, guys. Don't don't crucify me. Um something Yeah, I'm just throwing stuff out there. something along the lines of we would like to see the tools and suggestions for communication and
management >> project management >> project management that are already in place utilized to a higher potential yeah to to a higher potential and I'll give you some other suggestions that I have made that haven't been implemented like one of the things I said is we need
to be able to measure customer service satisfaction so any place you call, right? You get you you you get that you get a little twominut survey that comes out afterwards. Were you satisfied? Was your problem handled? Something like that. I I asked for that like a year ago
cuz you know I think we need to know one of the things that I hear a lot from people is that you know my complaint isn't being handled by whatever it's not being taken care of. And so this would that would be an effective way for us to know, okay, we've got and then we would have percentages, which is something
that you're looking for, which is what I was looking for too, you know, >> and like a customer service where you're going with that. And and could it be something because obviously we don't want to burden staff and so much of that can be electronic and it's free, >> right, through Survey Monkey and things
like that, but >> automatic. >> Can council then bring results back to the workshops and then we can review it? Yeah, that's that's what I mean that's what I'm looking for is something something measurable, but also something to let people know we care. Was your problem, you know, like it's not, you
know, I I don't I don't know if anybody else gets constant calls from people, you know, like with code >> complaints or things that this is what's going on on our road and this is what's going on in our neighborhood and they're not doing anything about it and you know then I'll look into it and I'll find out
well well they are but it's painfully slow. So I was hoping as part of this system there could be you know this is the act you know like an every 30 days update sent out update text tech out. This is where it's at now. This is the status of it now because we know it
takes like a year for this stuff to actually get through to the painfully slow government thing. It takes like a year if you're lucky for this stuff to get through there. So if a if a every 30-day status text could be sent out. I mean, I get these texts all day long from, you know,
everybody. There has to be some way. And I don't know whether this Asana system is powerful enough to do that. I I don't know. >> We get a rep we get a report from the director of code compliance or whatever we're calling it today. You know, we get a report that once a month, right? >> Right.
>> That's her report. We have this many open cases. We have this many closed cases. We had this many open in this time. >> No, I'm talking about the individuals who are who are concerned and making the complaints that they get. I'm talking about customer service. I'm talking about serving the community and communicating with the people. That's
what I'm talking about >> about and public feedback >> perception and >> I know that we get reports and we see the percentages and we see the numbers and things like that. But um I I'm thinking like something like a constant contact. You know what I mean? Those things that you get or
>> contacts an email service your survey monkey. There's a couple different surveys that are free. So how can we put this in? So we want >> um >> customer satisfaction follow-up survey >> increased use
>> micromanaging. So we just need to tell them to figure out a way to to track and and be able to report on you know customer issues if you know if I have even if it's something simple and you and they just report it. >> Product tools that are already in place.
Okay, let me just write it down and then and consider >> the use of survey tools to measure outcomes. How's that? Okay, this is what I'm going to suggest. >> Public wants to speak.
>> I I'm going to let them as soon as I get this in a form that we're all happy with, I'm going to let the public speak. increased increased use of project management tools that are already in place and consider the use of survey tools to measure outcomes. Does that sound like a reasonable and not
micromanagy? >> Outcomes satisfaction. >> Outcomes satisfaction. Okay. Do we have some people from the public that want to Yes, please go ahead, Jane. >> Come. Can you >> There's a microphone. Oh, in your hand. She's got it already. Go Jane. She's
ready. >> You don't have to You don't have to walk to the podium, Jane. That's why Ty gave you the mic. >> Have a seat. >> You said painfully slow. What I don't understand is with especially with the RV thing
now there's somebody who's calling us to come out and inspect the pumping of RVs where there is no septic. You have someone contracted to come in. So what is there to inspect? All I know is that originally when I
brought in my RV paperwork and I'm ready to do it again because it's season. I attached who was doing it and they signed it like Rick's toilet and Anderson Rentals. Now there's a guy on the weekend who is
calling and saying, "I need to come out inspect how your pumping." Well, if we don't have a septic system, what is there to pump? if we're calling someone to come in. So he came out and he asked for receipts and who was pumping. So
that's painfully slow. That's like to me is a waste of time. I don't understand that. And then I'm on the uh website cuz you know me, I like to do everything right. The same application from way way
before is still on there. There's not a new one. There's the rules still are not exactly right and they're still asking for uh it's it's the same application. So I'm going to fill it out like I did
the last one. It >> it's the same application from when Jane I'm a little confused. I'm sorry. I want to follow what you're saying they >> from the the original years ago application. >> Yes. From when they first started this discussion on the >> original pilot program. know it's it's
up to date to the last ordinance, but it's probably last year. It has the wrong dates and stuff on it. And that hasn't to my knowledge, staff hasn't >> hasn't changed any of the rules that were put in place. I think so. >> And and in order for for the permit to be issued, yes, they
have to come and inspect. >> And they did. They came, they inspected my water, they inspected my plugs, they inspected the area. Now they we're being told they have to come out every single year to inspect. >> I believe that's in the paperwork. >> I believe that's in the paper if you
read through all of it cuz >> what is there to inspect if you have a company? >> You have to prove that you're not dumping that you're not dumping in the ground and you're not getting >> Oh, I see. So you they want to see your actual spot to make sure that >> make sure that that hose isn't just dangling out there in the yard and Yeah.
Believe it or not, there were there were and are people pumping feal matter onto their neighbors property and onto the ground in town. >> Those people been stopped. >> They're working on it. >> It's a slow and painful process, J. >> It's a No, there were actually there's actually recently been a code complaint
put in on I think 10 >> RV parks, illeg illegal RV parks within the town. So, yeah. So we're it's being worked on but >> now because I found it quite useless for someone to actually have to take the
time to go out to a property where you are contracted like I'm with Anderson and work for you and I have letters signed. So now you're saying regardless of the you submitted, they're coming up to make sure that >> annually >> that you're still doing what you said
you're doing because people also unfortunately stop doing what they said they were doing. So they just want to make sure that you have those contracts every year, >> right? >> Yeah. It's not a one and done. >> It's a yearly permit. >> It's a yearly thing. >> Yeah.
>> But so what was the fiveyear plan? That depends on if you're ad classified. >> I think it also depends on if you're renting it or not. I think if it's your personal >> No, I think if you're ad classified, it was for five years. If you're not ad classified, you had to do it annually.
>> I think if you're rent I think if you're renting it also, you have to do it annually with your new renters that come in. Well, I could be wrong, but >> Well, can can you call them and ask them? Code and ask them or I mean or one Lisa, will you look into it for her? >> I'll review it again.
>> It was very confusing paperwork, I admit. >> Yeah. Yeah. But but definitely it was clear that you had to have everything inspected annually because >> you know by pass obviously but that has never happened either and I mean I don't
really care what if that happens or not but I'm just saying >> I'll get back to you >> talking about consistency and >> well I think the seal of disapproval is you go into code enforcement so if you don't go into that you're good you got the seal but that's what I'm talking about communication that goes back to the the point I was making his
communication. So that's good. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Austin, you look like you might want the mic. >> You got a mic. >> Can you hand it to him? >> Consistency. >> It's not on. >> He doesn't pick him up on the and and it's being recorded. So please
>> consistency talking about our biggest defender on Hyde Park there. Last time I looked on the web page, he has stuff closed that he never took care of. So, how are they closing violations that he's never taken care of? That's the
consistency. I mean, there's no consistency on this one. This one has been gone for years. You're talking about slow. This is going on five years now. >> I know. >> And it's only getting worse. He's not doing anything. He moved some RVs off and then brought a couple back, I believe. >> But that's how it got closed cuz he moved them off,
>> right? But that's not the only complaint. >> No, I get that. There's al other complaints that he did nothing for and he's got them closed and now he's got a he tricked a health department into give him a permit for a large septic taken drain field for his apartment building calling them offices. Well, people come home there in the evening. Now all three
apartment buildings can shower and use the bathrooms all at the same time because he has a huge septic taken drain field thanks to the health department because I don't know if there's no communication. How do you get a permit for? He has millions of dollars over a million dollars in fines from what I've heard. It just there's no >> the health department is a total separate.
>> Yeah, we have no control over what the health department >> but he lied to them because he didn't say it's an apartments. >> The town has zero control over what they approve. >> Report him to the health department. >> Report him to the health department. >> He's been reported health department multiple times. It's like there's no communication. There's like you're saying there's no consistency. I could
go on that list web page right now and look at these three or four things like how' they close that? He never took care of that. Why is it closed? So >> Mr. DS, you've touched on something that I have brought this bag multiple times and eventually we'll talk about that. So, anybody else?
>> No. Okay, you can just set it down on the table back there. Just keep it back there. >> Yeah, nobody has to come to the front. >> Is there anything else that came out of the actual So, we've discussed >> so >> better management practice. I know one of the things that came out of this was um a discussion about potential training
for um for count for management and council and staff. Is that something that we want to put as a priority on our priority list or is that a no? And how do people feel about that? >> Well, that's a no for me. Um >> I think a lot of starting to utilize
some of our tools instead of specifying the tool. start utilizing the tools and and making sure that we're not uh double assigning things and things like that which is you know and make sure you know I mean we say stay in your lane but we
do realize that like everybody drives three lanes or four lanes in the building because they wear four or five different hats right so you know but stay in your lane absolutely but we don't want to I don't want to sign a need to something and then turn around tomorrow and sign it
>> each other I'm saying stay management needs to stay in their lane. >> That's not what I was saying either. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm just saying I I think once the tools start getting imple implemented and utilized and and it's more organized and I I think a lot of the confusion and stuff that I'm reading in here is going
to help itself, you know, and maybe we can revisit the training later on and see how, you know, see how it how things progress >> in the near future and revisit it. I don't think at this date. I mean, heck heck, we we need to whittle down the
priority list and and give some direction. So, >> that that might help, too. >> Yeah. I don't know how you give training to >> but Anita I think you you touched on too about um some of the restructuring of of uh department heads and stuff and I think that also will address like some
of the succession um and and opportunity issues that obviously a small organization is going to have trouble with that no matter what your actual widget is that you're doing right so u I'd like to see how that goes and um
>> I'm sorry I want to follow what you're saying So you're saying that as part of and there were Yeah. And as part of that management, you're suggesting that there be >> added to each like department head some kind of a succession >> chain.
>> Well, I think that's where people will see opportunity, right? So if you've got an assistant town clerk, right? So um and maybe you have two of those. I I don't I don't know the structure. I purposely try not to go into town hall cuz that's not my job. my job is here,
right? And agreeing with you guys. So to me, if if I was working in a small organization, it would be my department head that would be my direct supervisor that I'm going to be looking for for training and guidance. And I think that
while many people can wear many hats, uh it's it's something that I think that when you're too duse and and diverse in what you're doing every day, it's very hard to become expert at something and be able to funnel into that into that
position and grow into that position. Right. So, um I think that is something that from the outside looking in and I think you touched on that that that had become something after you came on board that department heads were established and but it still doesn't seem that like
that's very clearly defined yet. >> Yeah. So, I don't I think it's hard to go from a all hands- on deck do that. I also think that it's hard to Paul's point. I think it's difficult when you have 163 things or 165 things that are
handed to you as priorities. You know, everybody's like, "Holy crap, we got to get 165 things done." And just, you know, snatching at butterflies trying to get it done. So, that is definitely an important piece of work we need to get to tonight is is trying to get pick the top five or top 10 and like make those
the priority. And then once one of those is at 75% or 80%, let's knock the next one off the list. Like if we can come up with 10 and decide that the top five are going to be worked on balls to the wall, you know, full boore and then, you know, the next one funnels in when the next
one gets uh to top priority. Todd, you look like you something you want >> because I'm thinking about the 165 things. If we're overwhelmed on just or categorizing or ordering where they should be, could you imagine have to be the person that's implementing? >> No, absolutely. I mean, if we if we're going to have a
hard time figuring out the 165, >> they're dealing with >> and in reality reality, >> I was just perusing it really fast. I really didn't like read every line. There's stuff in there that overlaps because it would fall in this category and this category. There's stuff in
there that we well I'm going to say we might have been Phyllis but that we discussed and we actually voted no against and things like you were talking about you know transfer facilities things that are still on this list. So you know it's it's
>> yeah while the transfer facility is still on there and we voted no to the transfer facility it remains a fact that we have a we have a poop problem in our town that we have to figure out different spots. So I guess that's that's the you know >> this is a this is a key we we tal we all
we all talked about since March talk about moving forward and and how we're going to move forward and this is key but to Lisa's point succession plans you know planning for you know >> we're just talking about the organiz >> I know organizational succession planning is is a is a thing
>> you know you don't have somebody >> too right when absolutely >> growth possibility whether that's income growth or opportunity growth. Um, and and I think that because stuff has been so gray and you know, some of us go
further back and we've seen how that has not really developed or clarified. So I think that but measurable goals and then much like we get an agenda that we didn't approve >> um the items that came forward,
>> what do we do when these things are not met? Do are we going to obviously we should work with staff to set realistic goals right um that we want to make these changes and we want to set this threshold in 90 days or 6 months and is that a reasonable expectation I think
using onsa is a reasonable expectation that that could happen tomorrow right everyone knows it's there right use it right so if you don't have 50 or 60% compliance within 30 days that's a problem It's it's there. It's Well, it's
a tool. >> It's like you telling us to use our our calendars up, right? >> It's a tool. I I guarantee you that tool I guarantee you that tool hasization report. >> Did we all comply? >> So, what's the consequence? What are we
going to do with you? >> We're going to grab calendar and throw the dump. >> I can't see who said collecting. Yes. You would have got an earphone. >> Yeah. >> You're So, you're lucky that it's hidden from >> All right. Paul had uh brought up, you
know, that many of these things may be partially or fully accomplished. You know, um whoever >> I don't think if they're on the list that they're partially or fully accomplished, but partially. >> So, there's no need for whoever wrote up the different sections to go back and
let us know. >> No, I think we need to make priorities. >> They're completely they've been dropped off. >> Okay. Do I think it's real that we have 165 issues that need to be addressed in this town right now? >> 100%. There's probably more. I'm sure we
could think of more. One of the things I I I I want to go to this list. I want to but I want to I want to try to put this to bed. Are we all happy with our discussion of the consulting thing? Does there anything else anybody wants to say about that? >> We talked about training and Lisa said you you were against training. Is that for staff or training for us you're
against or both? >> I have concerns about the money. Uh obviously budgeting is very tight. Uh I think that if there's opportunity uh to do it in a way that is more cost-effective, obviously that's a great thing to do for staff or for us all of
us. >> Honestly, I think if we're going to spend money on I think money would be better served if we're going to spend money on training and not to say this training before we get people. >> No, no, I not to say this training but just just even training because you know
listen you have Accreditation trainings that you need cert certificates. We talk about success >> succession. >> Succession. Thank you. We talk about succession. I was mixing accessibility and yeah got it.
>> Two worlds. Um we talk about succession and succession training and the opportunities you know to to know that if I want to be in this position, I need to have this certification, this certification, this certification. And in most places you go those certifications, the training and
whatever the testing, a lot of it's paid for, right? So it's it's just, you know, it's like a tuition reimbursement type of thing or it's out just outpaid for. So I think if we're going to spend money on training, I think we're it would better serve us to spend money on training our staff than it would be
training whomever might be sitting in a chair up here. >> But I think if we go into more defined departments, right, and you you have as let's say you're the head of code enforcement, right? So you've got people under you that >> community standards. >> Yeah, that's it. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Okay, comrade. So, we're going to uh get these people trained and we and we need these people to be efficient. We need them to be effective because we all know to Mr. Austin's point and the poor
people on Hyde Park, the eyes have not been dotted and the tees have not been crossed and the and the pro the process has not been up to a standard that will be a legal threshold that we can clear. It isn't going to be. So yes, but that's where I think the department heads are
important because they know who they want to to you know bring along and and create that quality. But again, those people have to see opportunity within that. Like I'm just a code enforcement officer forever. Right. Right. That's
not necessarily a realistic. >> No. Yeah. I have I have an aspiration to be the >> senior code enforcement officer and then I could be the I could be the community standard. >> So I put under succession planning training for opportunity. >> Training for opportunity and for quality >> opportunity and quality
>> and within departments clearly defined departments. And honestly, I think if you get if you get somebody that and and I think that, you know, um I think the league does it. I know other organizations do it. I think other municipalities, even the county has
supervisory training, things like that. When if you promote somebody into a leader leadership position, like you promote, attrition is great from within, right? You don't want to always be grabbing people from the outside. So if you're promoting somebody from within because they show some kind of quality or some characteristics you think would
make a good leader, department head, whatever, you know, it might be beneficial to get them leadership training because just because they show the qualities and the ability that they you think they might make a good leader doesn't necessarily mean they know how to be a good leader.
>> So I'm thoroughly confused then because it sounded like unless I misunderstood you, you didn't think council should have training. But what you just described about bringing somebody in and and and you know bringing them up at the in the leadership that they should get training with that, right? You were just saying that you know you you bring
people up that that are employees. He said and you give them right. >> But that's what we have here, right? We have citizens that become elected officials and they probably should get some training because now they've stepped up and they should get training. So I mean it you just argued against yourself by saying no in that position.
>> I didn't say never. I didn't say never. No, I wasn't I wasn't just saying no. What I'm saying is the priority the priority should be put, >> you know, if we're if we're looking at the fiscal responsibility of this as well and where where the best bang for our buck would be the best bang for our
buck would be within the staff, right? That you know >> we are the we are the leaders here as we're five people sitting up here once twice a month making decisions, right? We are not the people running this town. >> But the biggest decisions very often,
right? >> We're not the people running this town. >> We're not the gear. No, we're we're running it. We're driving it. >> We're not the engine. We're not the engine >> or the driving. We're the the guys standing behind the wheel driving it. >> But when we adopt the policies and they
implement the policies, okay? So, we are we are at the top. We are the ones making the biggest decisions. >> Why is everything an argument? >> It's not an argument. Oh, why are you taking as an argument? Because it is an argument talk. You're just everything I'm saying. Yes, you are. You're mixing everything I'm saying. And what I'm
telling you is I try to make an analogy and you're just trying to pull it apart. So, I don't know what your agenda is, but I'm telling you right now, we we are the drivers or we are we are not the motor. We're not the engine. We're the people turning the key, right? The staff, the people on the yellow shirts
on the side of the road, that is the engine of this town. I get that. They do the day-to-day operation. >> Okay. So, you got to fuel the engine. You got to gas you or you got to oil the engine. You got to maintain. You got to change the spark plugs. That's the training, my friend. That's the benefits. That's the pay. That's my
point. >> You just No, you just disagreed with me when I tried to say it a second ago before I stopped you. >> I agree. I agree. Staff should get training, but my point is I think council should also >> So, what what would you suggest for council? >> Not the $7,500. >> No, no, no. What specifically the League of Cities things that I went to were good
>> is the EM EOM. They were good. >> Yes, those. >> Yeah, I went to one. Todd went to two. I'm going to try to go to a second one because they were good. I mean, they're they're really good, not just for um the content that you take away, but for um
seeing and getting to appreciate the likeness of municipal issues and to talk with your your colleagues in completely different areas of of the state than have similar or you know, whatever
issues. I mean, those were really good th those are really useful moments. I I think those are really useful >> and I think council members should understand structure of government, right? It's just just because you run doesn't mean you understand. >> I wish most of the community understand >> and not Robert's rules specifically, but
you know there's a structure. >> The first class that we took I I think like every council as soon as somebody gets elected they should go take that first class. I really do before they're sworn in. >> Almost before they're sworn in. Well, when the when the League of Cities was
sponsoring our incorporation, they they almost told us that you had to go to those emu one and two classes and everybody on the first council went. >> Yeah. They also put you in touch with some really great resources. The
presenters at these classes are some really great resources throughout the state, you know, that you can call on later. So, I mean, I think that that's enough is to just say that whenever possible, I mean, let's get the schedule of those classes and let's get that I I I too concur that this $7,500 a month
thing is is a no for me. So, that's three of us. I've heard four of us, >> Marge, >> a no for you. So, none of us none of us are in agreement with that. Um, I will say though, it's a fine line between educating and indoctrinating, right? I don't need to be told how to think,
right? I want to know. I want to know how it works, right? And I think that's important. So >> there's no indoctrination. >> There's no indoctrination at the >> perhaps not at the league, but certainly within this level, there can be some, right? Because there's swapping going on, right? There's
>> it's politics, right? >> So you've got some group trying to push this forward, another one's trying to push this forward. So there's, you know, there's stuff that way. So council's gonna I'm not sure I'm following that point, but >> okay,
>> if you if you made it >> like transfer station, >> council's going to want to I'm not playing polics with that. Did you think I was playing politics with that? I'm just saying poop is a problem in our town and we need to do something about it. I'm not lobbying for a
transfer station. I voted against a transfer station. No, I think she's talking about the fact that we voted against transfer station stuff, but that yeah, there's still some >> lingering >> lingering lingering not not not how are we going to enforce it in code type of >> we have vegetation processing transfer
stations in our community that what is it D ladies >> D um gave permits in our in our community. It's like you can't do that here, right? So >> I know we have the emergency one, but for like when
>> there's like nine registered in the town that >> well and I know the nurseries use their nursery sites as those as well. >> Those legal landscaping. >> Let's finish this. Council should take the what are they? EO >> EMOS uh EMO >> EMO classes municipal official training
or something >> when possible. Okay. And hopefully when first elected that first one because that one was really good for for first elected >> been standing. Are you waiting to talk? I'm so sorry. >> When you look into this RV thing because
this is my impression >> microphone. >> I found it. >> Article 92 and it says site must be inspected at least once every five year per inspection fee schedule. So this is what
I mean I don't have a problem >> the site the site but the what you're talking about is the waste management >> but if you're having it pumped okay so where does it say about I honestly don't have a problem >> you're reading you're reading the actual
adopted information that's on municode that's that is only a portion of what's in the documentation that the town >> so it does cover that every year site inspection I'll look at it and I just need clarification. Honestly, I
don't care either way, but when you were talking about waste of time. >> Well, you may have a point and and that's not what exactly wasting time that we're talking about. Um, but I think that you may have a point that there's a disconnect between the paperwork that the residents are filling
out versus what we passed legally. So, that would be important to see if there's a a disconnect there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cassie. >> Okay. We're gonna put this to bed because it's taken 45 minutes of our of our recovery. >> Cassie's got something. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Cassie. Go ahead.
>> Um, I just wanted to comment the training thing. I don't know. I've always had an issue with um in the past the amount of money we pay to feed them. Maybe we don't have to feed full lunches because apparently there's a lot of money but being spent. That's been
talked in the past on fact. So maybe look into that. Training. Training. maybe don't do it during lunch or they can break for lunch and go there's plenty of places we have culvers and all kinds of other places they can buy so just look into that but >> you're talking about doing staff trainings don't >> yeah I mean >> okay
>> I'm looking thousands of dollars are being spent for lunches >> so that I see it as somebody oh let's have a lunch they don't need a full lunch maybe break for lunch come back save some money um as far as the D thing and I don't think anybody knows D will
approve approve it. But if it's not u something that's approved by solid waste, it's basically just paperwork and they're violating and they're being allowed to continue to operate. Um they apply for things like historical legacy don't don't qualify and they just get
ignored. Meanwhile, they've been complained on and complained on. So I don't know if you all knew even though they have a D certification, if it's not considered consistent with solid waste, it's invalid. So maybe we need to look at the map of D
and see what's actually operating in our town and send him a notice and say you're in violation. So just a little >> Okay, great. Thanks. I think the I think the purpose behind lunch and learns >> I agree >> is because during somebody's lunch break
>> they're learning >> and they're kind of being compensated for learning because technically you can't make them work on lunch but I know there's lunch and learns all over the place all the time and there's train all day trainings that yeah they break for lunch some places provide lunch some places don't you know I've been to
multiple different kinds of trainings and they're handled multiple different kinds of ways um you know and and I can tell There was a push before cuz I've had this training conversation with with Francine before. There was a push years ago when she first took over because we
didn't have a CDL licensed driver, but we had a dump truck, right? So, yes, they trained up a couple people to get their CDL license and we compens we we took care of that as a town. Now, the des the job
description requires a CDL. So there is some give and take. You know, yes, we needed the CDL driver, so we got CDL drivers. But now, whoever's hired in that position or in those key positions that have to have it, they h they come with it. So, we're not doing that anymore. Um, but you know, certain
certifications, it helps that it helps with insuranceances. It helps with all kinds of stuff. So, you know, we got guys running chainsaws. Have a chainsaw class. >> You know what I'm saying? government doesn't fall under OSHA, but it might help us, you know, with breaks for insurance and things like I mean there's just different things. So that's
>> it doesn't fall under OSHA. >> No, OSHA OSHA has no >> convenient the government exempts themselves. >> OSHA OSHA OSHA has no Yeah, OSHA has no jurisdiction over OSHA has no jurisdiction.
>> Hysterical. >> I think I'm bringing a broad brush, but yeah, it's pretty much it. What? >> All right, let's put this to bed because we've used a lot of time on it. Um, I want to go to one feel-good thing and that's the parade because we have to give direction to staff about how we're going to decorate our float. Remember, we talked about the um Wellington
parade. So, it's p I I was I came up with some ideas, but we were all supposed to come back with some ideas. So, I'll float mine first. It was past and f and present, right? So, I thought we might do something with like, you know, >> through the years >> through the years. So I So that took me
to past and present, right? And I thought we might do something like what people in Lockahhatche Groves in the past, you know, like have somebody dressed up as a a little bit more of a rough neck, you know what I mean? And then just kind of do the progression
across the way and then we could have a little Olympic Dr. D star, you know, for the present. I don't know. You know, something along that and just try to come up with like are we all agreed that we're all going to ride on the float? Yes. Okay. So, if we could come up with like five characters that represent the
through the years and and try to dress up that way and have the float be that way, like, you know, have it be an orange grove and go into a arena. I don't know. Something along those lines. >> Todd, good news. There's been bird guys here forever, right? So, there's been
bird guys here for >> Could be a bird. >> I don't know. That's just my idea to play. Like it, don't like it. If you like it, let's develop it. If not, somebody else built one. That's my idea. >> I I think it's cool. >> I How would you do that without too much investment?
>> Oh, we are a no investment parade. We're not spitted $15,000 on our float to win the parade. Okay, though. So, no. Well, I mean, I thought we would each come up much like when we I know that the past whatever however many trainings Todd and Margie and I go to, we pay for our own
meals. Just so everybody knows that. We don't reimburse for meals. We pay for our own transportation. We pay for all of that. So, just just to make that put that on the record. Um, so I thought if we each pick paid for our own outfit, I mean, I presume you won't have to do too much
paying for it to be an equestrian, but if we each, you know, come up with our own out figure out what our progression is and come up with our own outfits, then that would save that cost. The only cost would be decorating the float and we just have to figure out what we want it to look like and then we can start talking about
>> what we may have to loan to it, what other people in the community may have to loan to it to make it um affordable. >> Yeah. And the control district uh they usually help with >> No, they did. They totally did it. We do
it on our flatbed. Last year we just did hay bells and >> on that vein I think you could possibly get like some like the jump standard people right like maybe they could do some that that's in a Christmas theme and you could have that at the back if that's where you're thinking >> right progression right exactly the
progression of the town >> to present or because it drives by that way right yeah >> mean >> so I I had talked about u one of the old timey like home away what is it home alone like doing our Christmas vacation trying
to do kind of a scene from one of those older established Christmas themed movies. >> Yeah, >> that was my thought. >> The wonderful life. >> I got broken since then, so I don't really remember. >> I get broken. >> Drugs between now.
>> Wow. To fit that. >> All prescribed. Marge can Marge can >> all prescription drugs. All prescription. Thank you for sharing that. We just make that clear. Well, what what idea we want to go with because we got like five minutes, 10 minutes. We got to go with it and and plan. So, what do we want to do?
>> Do we want to try to do a scene from a movie? Do we want to try to do any input from the community? Yes. >> Orange, >> right? >> You know, whatever orange road, you have cattle here, you have vegetable farmers, >> right?
>> Yes. resolve to birds and panther ridge. I mean that's unique. You have different unique wildlife things. You got big dogs. >> I don't think we can take a tiger on there with >> a hand puppet. >> Okay. So, you like that idea of the
progression of the community. Okay. All right. >> Okay. All right. So, what's our Who's going to be our old-timer? >> March. Okay. >> I'm gonna be an orange. Are you an agist? Come on.
>> Marge like in a rocking chair in something that looks like she's in like a little one of the earlier house knitting or something like that. Okay. All right. So, we're going to start with Marge in a rocking chair. >> I was in a rocking chair or a year ago. I think >> Marge in a rocking chair knitting
looking like you're something looking like you're something out of the 1800s. You know, maybe have a little >> anaconda hanging on your pet or something. >> It look like a hunt or something, you know, like whatever. One of the early houses. Okay. And then what's next?
>> Maybe a hunter. >> Well, the a hunter next. >> Wouldn't it the orange trees next? You want an orange tree with somebody picking orange? >> Been a part at the beginning. >> Not the only one. >> I'm the only one. >> You You're going to be a hunter? >> Sure. I can be a hunter. >> Jake Paul then is going to be a hunter. >> When there's inflatable, you know,
cowboy riding on the cow. How about How about a giant inflatable alligator? >> That works. >> Paul's gonna be a hunter. You You're gonna be an orange farmer. >> Sure. >> Okay. Then Todd's going to be an orange farmer and we'll put a tree with him.
>> Orange farmer. Okay. What comes next? What's in between then? Uh shall we do I can be like an everything farmer. I can just I can or No, we should do something else. What comes after that? Lisa, you're the ending with an equestrian. >> Can I bring a mini horse? >> A ro. Can I bring a mini?
>> A flatbread works. >> Will it Will it go on the float? >> Oh, Leo, he's a stallion. >> Says to quiet minis, so maybe we can get a mini. >> You can be a row farmer if it'll stay there and everything. I don't see why not. >> Yeah, I'll I'll ask around. I know a few.
>> Um, okay. >> I know somebody has a mini. >> So, we need something in between orange farmer and equestrian. What's it going to be? What happened in between orange farmer >> plant and equestrian? >> Tree farmer. >> Huh? nurseries. >> Yeah. >> So,
so I'll just >> We have the exotics. We have >> So, should I do the exotics and and Okay, I'll do exotics and nurseries somehow. I don't know how. >> We have the mushroom farms. We've got farm to table. We've got >> Oh, farm to table. Farm to table.
>> Anita Farm. >> Yep. I I farmers market. You could have a farmers market. Perfect. Okay. So, the progression is this. Marge knitting in her chair with her with whatever snake skins hanging from her house. And Paul's going to be a
hunter with his inflatable alligator and his whatever. Then Todd's going to somehow be an orange farmer with an orange tree behind him. Then I'm going to be there with my little table with my farm to table stuff. And then you're going to be in a room with potentially a mini horse depending on the jump
standards with some jump. Now, last year they get a banner. >> Last year they boxed us in with hay bales which took up a lot of the room. So, we need to come up with something to box us in and the hay bells were donated. It was straw and it was donated by I think Red Barn and I can't
remember. I'm sorry if I'm getting the wrong donor, but it was donated by somebody in back. But I think we probably need panels or something because we need more room. So, where will we get panels to make it safe and to potentially keep a horse and us on the float?
an inflatable mini or an inflatable something else. >> Yeah. As cool as a live one would be. I I don't know. That's I don't know how you're going to do that. >> Especially since they're broken. >> Oh, you could have a hobby horse. >> Hey, that's a thing.
>> Nice decor. >> That's a thing. >> That'll take care of the safety issue. But even so, we were really tight for space last year with the hay bells. So, we need to ask them to do something around the perimeter that's a little less invasive of the space to make room for all the >> some kind of either a picket fence, you
know, or >> picket fence would work. A picket fence would be really good. >> It would things from Lowe's. I'll donate them. I don't care. Okay. >> You can also get like the little metal wire panels that hook together and >> maybe Tractor Supply will do it if we
put their name on it. >> Yeah. >> Donated by Tractor Supply. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. I think we've got a plan, guys. After >> I will communicate. I will get in touch with Craig and talk to him about the planning. If he needs to talk to you about your each individual things or if you have ideas for how you're going to
help with your each individual things, please let him know. >> Anybody have a snake, >> a giant snake for her? A stuffed snake. Air snake. >> Well, see what you can find on T-U. >> There was one in the hay bale the other day, but it was really
>> No, I covered the parade. Um, let's let's try to cover one of Virginia's things that she brought up. >> I thought we were going to get over on the priority list. >> Give you my topics and then you pick one.
>> I I have your topics right here. >> Everybody here has been free forming. So, uh, one, I want to make sure uh I want to compliment public works for what they've been doing with the, uh, notice they've been going out in teams to do the the long the cult canals and
everything. It seems actually safer, more consistent. They get done quicker and it it looks very nice. I also want to make sure that you are aware of the Florida statute 397.487. That needs to be the ordinance needs to
be updated by January 1st. You may already have it. Um I'm not sure if you're aware that it's required to be done by January 1st. You may have something on the books. You want to check in on ordinance uh Florida State statute 397.487.
Make sure the town has what it needs done by January 1st as per the Florida state legislature. Um again, uh Cassie did a lot of work last year on the FDA and a is different than what this town is
using. So I just ask you to remain vigilant. But this a I think a very important topic to our community and the guidelines are different than what we're currently incorporating. There was a lot of push back from some of the so-called professionals and quite frankly I felt
they were lazy and they were more uh geared towards zero lot line than wanting to deal with our a community. That was and in that PowerPoint presentation they they sent to you and presented there was a lot of inaccuracies. Um, finally, my bottom
issue and that I brought up before was that I feel the the some of the tree mitigation policy in this town is a conflict. And the example I gave you, if somebody has a site they were developing, they decided, I'm no longer going to do this. I'm going to sell it.
And then they sell to someone who either wants to put trees in, who's going to be putting trees in um and whether they're bonafide a or not, or you sell to somebody who is bonafide a this town is asking 129,000
from as an example from a a property when somebody else could come in and clear a path that's buying the property. So that's a clear conflict. The argument that was made that developers of all developers do that. My point and my comment to you was the developers that
developed their land cannot go back to be bonafide a so it's a serious issue and I think it it's going to result in litigation for this town because there's a lot of inconsistencies in what this town does from code to tree litigation and on and on. That's it.
Okay. Um, I'm not sure if any of those things are things that we even can tackle because there are specific code cases and things like that. Do we want to go to our priorities and then come back and maybe try to discuss? Do we want to go to our
priorities list and then maybe come back and try to discuss some of those things if we if somebody comes up with anything intelligent to say about any of them that we haven't already said when they were brought up before. >> One quick question. Sure. >> Going right going back to the float.
>> Oh, back at the float. >> So, if we do get some people that will donate stuff and can we offer them a little banner space on the on the float? >> Oh, is she? >> I I don't have either. I'll find out whether it's allowed by the rules of them, but yeah. Okay. >> Well, rules might be >> I don't know what the Wellie rules are
on that, but >> Okay. But but I don't see why not because like >> when they have the Yeah, they have they have it the dealership. Isn't it hosted by the Chamber of Commerce taking place in Wellington? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I think so because I think the
different places have like the name of their business. So if you can put the name of a business on there, we should be able to put, >> you know, alligator sponsored by >> Well, I might be able to get like some Christmas themed clothes from the tax store that I could wear and just give back to them or something, >> right? Okay. Yeah. I think I think that
>> you can do that. Be careful asking for donations, right? Because we're council members. We can't do that. the loans. Maybe you can just check with ethics. Make sure that you're not stepping over a line with that because >> yeah, >> you may not be able to ask even for a
loan. Just just you may be able to. I just want to make sure I just don't want you to step outside and we may need to just put it all in the hands of public works and let >> them ask for things for us. So, um just be clear. Yeah, maybe you can recommend
where they might shop and what size they might Um, okay. Uh, so can we take a twominut PP break? Because >> you know me, Marge, I have to go to the bathroom. She laughs at me. You guys can carry on if you want to. Although I
don't want to miss this discussion of the priorities, but I do have to go to the bathroom. So >> So you I'd like to take a two-minute peep break, but if you want to go >> You kind of clump some of these together. you want to talk about kind of over >> I I was just kind of breezing through it and I just I think I think what we need
to do is we need to you know what your what are your five priorities? What are your five priorities? What are your and and kind of see and see where those align and then I think we can because this list is uh land use and code modernization.
Then you got another co- compliance effectiveness, infrastructure mobility is a big category, you know, environmental stewardship, sustainability, uh, governance and organizational capacity. I mean, they're they're
grouped. I mean, somebody did a real good job about of grouping these um fiscal sustainability. I mean, this these are all hot button items, but I think we need to, you know, kind of >> Okay, I'm going to write down my top
five >> as how they are in the list or just top five. >> No, you're you're like overall, not >> I mean, I guess you can go specific, but you're overall what you think the top five what your top five are, or even top
10 if you wanted to, but Let's see. Is there anything I needed to write down? No. >> Okay. All right. How about if we just go around and have everybody say what their top five are, and let's see how many we agree on. >> What do you think, Lisa? Top five.
>> Uh, solidifying basics. >> It's a little vague. What do you >> basics? I mean, like I think we kind of touched on it with the staff. staff being, you know, people not getting conflicting
information when they come into town hall. You know, the town just being communication, solid basics, >> communication, consistent communication, >> consistent communication certainly. Um, >> and performance >> and yeah, and again, council prioritized
code enforcement. >> Okay, hold on. You're going too fast for me. Your first one is consistent communication. Your second one is >> council prioritized code enforcement. >> Council prioritized but council's not supposed to be involved in code enforcement.
>> Well, we can we can specify and say industrial needs to be a top >> pod's first meeting we talked about should be done. >> Okay. >> Just asking a question. >> Right. Okay. Your third one, Lisa. >> Addressing longstanding problem properties which
>> we all know who they are. >> Is that part of number two or is that a new one? That's your third one. >> Separate >> longstanding problem properties. Okay. Your fourth one. >> Uh, come back to me. >> Come back to you for come back to you
for four and five. Okay. Todd, >> I'm in agreement with the two with the code enforcement for sure. >> One and two. >> What? No, the first one was something about communication to two and three. >> Okay. So, Todd, Lisa's >> Well, that that Yeah, mine's one and two on that.
>> Okay. Lisa's two and three. Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Um I think we need to do things about Okachobee Boulevard and getting the culverts replaced underneath it. >> Okay. Okachobee Boulevard >> and getting the we put back in >> and covers and we Okay.
>> Okay. >> Number four. >> It would be nice if we could use some of our tree mitigation to try to put some trees along Boulevard Street like Royal Palm Beach Boulevard. And I know we'd have to get permission from the county which they're probably going to say no >> and tear it down. That doesn't mean we can't try.
>> Okay. Your fourth >> um come back to me on that. >> Okay. Back to him for four or five. Marge. >> Yeah. Um the manure issue >> is your number one. Okay. >> And what else?
>> Uh the um hold the line on um tangerine to southern being the commercial corridor. So esta of >> establish or out define the commercial corridor. Okay.
>> Okay. Define commercial corridor. >> All right. Your third one. >> And then um the one that um Lisa had as number one. >> Communication. >> Communication. Consistent communication. >> Yeah. >> Do you have a four and five? >> No.
>> Okay. Do I need to come back to you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Paul. Oh, wait a minute. Let me write. I'm writing really as fast as I can. >> Okay. Go ahead. What's your >> Ditto? >> Ditto on what? >> Well, yeah. No, I've just been That's everything that I say as well. I mean, >> you don't have anything new to add to the list
>> at this point. No, I because basically what I was saying before is I think we you know Well, you didn't give your thought, Mayor. >> I'm happy to. I'm trying to get some from you, but you have nothing to add to this list that you see is glaringly missing from this list. >> I would add vested rights.
>> I'm sorry. Vested rights. >> The lack thereof. I got I got two applications right here in this bag. >> You are for number four adding vested rights. Okay. >> Okay. >> I agree with Todd so I could show Boulevard. >> Tell me what you mean by vested rights
like clearly defined it or I guess give me more information what you mean by vested rights. >> Well, we can come back to it once everybody's got their their stuff down. Paul, you had nothing to add to the list. >> No, I concur with everything that's being said. nothing at this time. >> So, so I I have I have an issue like
what Virginia >> I reserve my time for later. >> What Virginia brought up, the fact that we're allowed to clear cut if it's bonafideed a and I know you and I have discussed it before and there is nothing in state statute that says we have to allow that. What allows that is our code. Our code says if you're bonafideed a you can clearcut and that shouldn't be
that way. >> I'm not disagreeing with that. If you don't if if we don't clearly say you have to give x amount of conservation land or something like that, you can go in there and clear cut it and put plants on the you can plant peppers on the whole thing, Todd. >> Based on what? There's no when we had
this discussion before you said, "Oh, if you're bonafideed a egg, you can do that." Well, you can because our code says that, but there's nothing in state law that says that. So, we can change our code to farm. >> State law says we can't limit that. >> Yes, you can. >> How do you how do you limit that? >> The right to farm act has to do with nuisance lawsuits, right? Not with tree
mitigation. 604.50 is about non-residential farm buildings. >> Non-residential farm buildings aren't clearcutting trees, right? Different things. There is no My point is there is no state statute that says you can clear cut trees. >> So you want to So you want to you're for
change code change code regarding clear cutting. >> Yes. >> Change or address code regarding clear cutting. >> Correct. Okay. >> A clear cutting. >> Code regarding egg clear cutting. I I have found nothing in the statute that says you can >> I doubt very seriously it's going to
come out and say you can clearcut. >> Well, I know but you understand the Right to Farm Act has to do with nuisances, right? That's what >> has a lot to do with it. Yes. >> No, that's all it has to do with is nuisance. If you look at that statute 823, it has to do with nuisances, right? Smells, noise, and that sort of thing. That's not trees, right?
>> So, okay, because you're way better, let's just you're way better at quoting co statutes, etc. The numbers I am. So, what what statute allows you to build whatever building you want and have no restrictions? >> 604.50. It's specific to non-residential farm buildings
>> and fencing >> and fencing and signs >> and nothing else. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> That's it. >> Yes. There's another exemption if you have wetlands and you impact the wetlands. That's under 373 something. I can't give you that exact number on that one. That says you can impact wetlands
if you're a agriculture. We're >> not talking about wetlands. We're talking about clear cutting pine trees and that sort of thing and oak trees, >> right? >> So, like I said, there is no statute that I'm aware of or any attorney I've dealt with is aware of that says you can clear cut if it's bonafideed a allowing that is our code that says that.
>> But I disagree in that it's my understanding that state statute right to farm act um basically inhibits the county and municipal level to impinge on right to farm. >> You can't you can't duplicate. It says you can't duplicate codes. So if the
state has um codes that have to do with best management practices and whatnot, then we can't have something correct duplicates it. Right. But the statute >> you can duplicate it. Exactly. You just can't change it. >> Right. Right. >> So but the statute 82 8
>> 604. >> No 823.4 >> has to do with nuisances. It's strictly about nuisances. The right to farm act is a nuisance. I I would >> look forward to hearing what what that definition is because it's my understanding that
>> Well, obviously we're going to get into all of these specifics when we talk about it if we put on our prior list. Okay. I can run down >> we we can we can ask Jeff to give us a conclusion as to can we change the code legally to stop from clear code. >> Right. Right. That's that's the advantage of having an in-house
attorney. >> Okay. Okay. Um, all right. Uh, my priorities, well, my number one priority is is drainage. Um, and that's huge. I mean,
that's just a huge one. So, I'd be it's like world peace. >> I stand for world peace, but it is the biggest most pervasive um issue that we have in the town. So the drainage um but I'm happy to but it's also an ongoing
issue. I'm happy to have it be addressed by the culverts and we that we talked about on Okachobee because I think that's a good start. Although I'd like to add some of the neighborhood projects that we talked about, some of the smaller neighborhood projects. So I'd like to consider those. Um
the um trail connectivity is my second big one. Um and we have taken some strides towards that um with the um addition of like along Gruber and along Citrus trying to add some some north south I
mean east west connectivity with the north south connectivity we have but I'd like to continue with that project. >> Did you see the horse sign at sea and >> right trail connectivity and signage I should put. Thank you. That's very good. >> Fine. >> Um and and I'm really okay with the ones
everybody else has too. You know, I think this is a great list, guys. Um, let me think of what else were my uh priorities. Uh, continuing our lobbying
efforts for state whatever funding we can get for some of these projects. So, continuing the lobbying efforts was another Yeah, lobbying efforts. Well, that encompasses that encompasses all of that.
>> That that's kind of the underlying driver of all these, >> right? I understand. But we're talking about priorities and these are things that I see as a priority and you can knock them off the list later if you want to. Um, and what I had a Can I see the list real
quick? I had a whole bunch of them the other day and that I had to kind of knock some out. But um >> while you're thinking about that, so >> yeah. Yeah, go ahead. >> What one of my conflicts that I have going through this list is it was like
Paul said, staff runs the day-to-day operation. They know what's going on and what's hot and what's like dragging them down, you know? So, it's one thing for us to come up as a community and say, "These are our issues." Staff might have a different set of issues where it's like, "We have to deal with this every
single day. Hey, we would love to get this solved and it's not going to be on this list. >> We approved a contract that said we need to do this. >> Do what? >> What we're doing. >> No, I get that. >> So, we got I mean I get what you're saying. So, we got to give our clear direction whether you know they if
something pops up where that needs our attention more than say >> right, >> you know, old code issues, right? Then yeah, absolutely we would address it. But, you know, we're we're on a clock for this. you know, nobody else has been able to to get it down past 165. Right.
Right. So, I kind of where I was what I was saying before and stop me if you're done taking whatever you want me to stop. But so, basically what we have is >> So, when you wanted to add >> No, no, no. Actually, you hit you hit all mine. >> Okay. >> Everybody hit all mine. That's why I was just >> But it's great news. >> No, that's good. So, but basically what
I'm getting as is is some of the stuff some of you got to start bulk, right? So, we got code enforcement, right? got code enforcement >> and unfortunately some of our things adds more more to more to their tasks
right enforcement. >> No, absolutely. But I mean >> but it is disagree. I think that code enforcement's focus has been on something that and I'm going to say something that probably most of you disagree. BTRs.
>> Why are we wasting time on BTRs? Yeah, they're making some money, but what's what's the return on that, right? Does it cost us 80,000 to chase 100,000? I mean, >> well, yeah, the reality is BTR should be all almost an automated process. That should be, you know, >> and it shouldn't take up code
enforcement focus and time. That should be almost like a >> so >> an also ran in the background kind of program. So, so >> I think that all of us that have sat on the outside have talked about, you know, this needs to be council prioritized.
How many times has council given direction for Okchobee Boulevard, for example, right? And we all know this goes back to the most egregious properties, right, that have done things. We also have issues with code enforcement where the magistrate is in
the process of dealing with a property and then staff interferes with the process and pulls it out. That is why when you called me the other day and you want to talk about something that we couldn't talk about and I said no afterwards. The lean reduction policy is almost an
aberration in that if staff interferes with the magistrate process and I asked when this lean reduction policy came up how many times has the magistrate reduced the money down to less than what we wanted to get and nobody could provide me that because it's usually
staff inserting themselves into a process and we all know the most famous one. Right. >> Right. Was it was that a define process or the lean? Because if when it's a fine, it's one thing and when it's a lean, it's different. >> So are you talking about a fine or a lean because there's two different things. >> I think this was fine reduction, right?
So I but I think that we much like a BTR should be sort of an automated process once a property enters into that magistrate process. I think that should function through that system. I have the property at the
corner northwest corner of B in Okchobee. The magistrate had started um fines. They were accumulating fines. And then I have the code inspector dismissing the case. How does the code inspector
dismiss the case after the magistrate has ruled on? >> Well, we're good. >> That should be the magistrate. >> You're off down the rabbit hole. I I get I get where you're going. I get what you're saying, but we're I guess what I'm telling how we get from 165, >> right? >> Okay. >> I have my last two if I can. Okay. What
I say where they are. My um fourth one was doing something about trash and debris. I know the coastal contract is up this year. We need to look at some possibilities of who are we going to renew with, right? And we also have to look at is there a way to split off like the debris
collection, which is a bulk of the cost, and and contract that out. Is there a way to do recycling like you know where you have to bring it to containers at certain places you know are there ways to mitigate the trash cost to the town which is high and we have to presume
that coastal is going to come in since it's gone up every year we have to presume they're going to come up higher this year and that even if we go out to bid we're going to have you know it's it's a competitive market right it's going to be higher so I'd like to start exploring different things to do with our trash and debris which kind of goes
with the poop I mean they kind of go hand in plan and then um I'd also like us to work on refining or honing our strategic plan which this is kind of a first step towards. So this is is good with that but making sure that we have a strategic plan for the next couple of
years in place to keep things moving forward. So those are my >> Well, I would thought about solid waste because that's coming to us no matter if it's a last priority or it's coming. >> Here's the problem that I have. I I get that and it is coming. But here's why I
think it's a priority because one thing that I'm in agreement with Lisa on is that a lot of times these things come to us at the last minute and with no chance for us to really do any research and do anything about it and explore all the options and possibilities. And I think
we need to make it a priority to start looking at the options and possibilities now, not a month before we have to take a vote on it when you know the bids are in. I I think that it all goes in hand in hand. We put out the RFP, we get the bids and we start exploring options
>> that these renewing events like a budget like a a vendor something like that that we have to have them a minimum of four months prior. >> Yeah. I don't I don't a discussion
thing. Yeah, I was going to say I don't know if people are willing to I don't know if I don't know if there's any laws of restrictions on like that you can have to put it out a certain amount of like an RFP like it can only be 30 days before or 60 days before 90 days before I hear Mr. Cotification over here.
No, no, no. That's not I'm talking I'm talking about um while they may be at a staff level discussing it internally council needs to be brought into that by a certain date whether that's we're still 90 days out more than 90 days >> major contract renewals
>> major contract renewal budgeting >> we you know that this is coming up in June don't come bring it to in May for the first reading April >> like we've got the attorney in December 26 and we've got a town manager one in September. We need to have these things
hitting our agenda, public discussion level. >> Yeah. No vote, just discuss it generally. >> Okay. So, I'm going to put that as your number five. How are you going to word it? >> I think you you said something about um renewals. >> Okay. Renewals of major contracts
>> of major contracts and budgeting >> or general concepts as to where we want to go. like like if we decide like we could decide today or not decide today but we could knock around and say maybe we should get rid of recycling, right? So when they So at least if you're going to do the recycling contract, break that out so we have that option to not
include recycling that way. >> And that would be an important discussion before, oh my god, we got to go get the RFQ out and it's oh my god and it's Yeah. Yeah. That seems to be how we do a lot of stuff and and then it's like hurry up and wait, right? Because then it takes a freaking year to
what we just we had to vote on by now, but it takes a year to get it implemented. So renewal of major contracts concepts >> four month lead time >> I would say what's that 120 days >> okay >> so minimum like some of them might need
more time >> four month lead time okay so we can actually really start exploring it and even if where we really start exploring it is in these meetings where we can be a little bit more candid and have a little bit more discussion but we have to know they're coming and when we come to these meetings we have to have tools
like this >> you know which is you know Here are your possibilities with solid waste. Here are your possibilities with debris. Here's your possibilities with we can use some of those illegal debris vendors in town. Just kidding, everybody. >> And to and to add to that, you know, very often we'll see development come
forward and it'll say staff recommends approval. >> They always recommend approval. >> Well, and I've had this conversation with Jim Fleshman because he says, well, because we've weeded out 80% of them, right? So, so the 20% that we think meet, that's why that's the only ones that come forward and everything gets approved. I think before that's put in
writing, before it says staff recommends approval, I think each council member should meet with that staff member who's making that recommendation. So you could say, well, what about AB and C? Did you keep this in mind? Well, no, I didn't. Let me go back and look. So maybe staff would be wouldn't be making >> Do you want to micromanage the staff? >> It's not micromanaging.
>> It is micromanaging the staff. >> Absolutely. That's what it's doing. >> It's about discussing the project that we're going to be voting on. >> I agree. But you're micromanaging the staff at that point >> before he puts it in writing and says he recommends approval. Because I would sit down with Fleshman at the meeting, you know, we something's on the agenda tonight. It's staff staff recommend
approval and I go talk to Jim. Did you think about A, B, and C? No, I didn't. Well, it's too late. It's already in writing now. That says you recommend approval. I should have been we each council member should have met with you two weeks ago before you put in writing that says staff recommends approval. That's my that's my point. How do we get
to that? How do we try to >> Well, hopefully the four month lead time will give us another >> but that was just about convers that was just about contracts, not necessarily. >> It's actually says contracts and concepts. >> Okay. As long as staff understands that it it's about development. >> It's not everything that you do.
>> Okay. >> Okay. And development concept. >> And and Paul, do you you understand or do you disagree with that still? >> What? >> You you said I'm micromanaging by meeting with staff before they put in writing that says they recommend approval. You you tell by you telling Jim, "Did you think of this? This this
this this your micromanaging staff. You're not He's not your direct report. I'm just saying >> I'm not directing him to doing anything. I'm just saying here's something that I thought about. Maybe you didn't." >> No, I was just saying Todd. This is >> I hate the way these boys fight. Don't
you? >> Such any of us girls fighting. >> I'm being sexist right now. >> Oh, no. It's it's it's it's much more subdued. So, it's okay. It's >> okay. All right. This is our list, guys. I think we pass it along to staff and
have them we >> I I do want to add one. >> Go ahead. >> Because because I we didn't prioritize anything. I just want to add that we did not prioritize anything, but um I I would like to add to list. I think we need to look at at the clarification of how SB80 affects any code changes we we
make and if we could make them with a future date of >> can't we task the committee with looking into that? >> Well, that's that's where my next little >> SB 180 and >> how how it pertains to like Rule Vista, for example, they came back after SB80
was passed and said we can't do rule vista because it restrict it makes things more restrictive. But if we were to put language in there or whatever, it wasn't we did not we did not enforce it until after you know and it's there once once SB 180 dissolves.
>> Effective X, right? >> Not even effective. Not even effective X. I'm saying if we put it into place, we can put it into place, but as long as we don't enforce it. >> But I think it says adopt. >> Oh, it does say adopt. I'm saying if there's some way we could >> I had thought about that before,
>> but it could be prepped. Yeah, it could be prepped and ready. So, so that way when when it dissolves, it's there. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. So, what I'm putting what I put for yours, Paul, is SP 180 and how it pertains to home rule. So, what I'm going to propose is that we that I give this list to staff that they compile
this into one list and bring it to us at the meeting and then we then rate these, prioritize these. Does that make sense? >> Well, so many of them overlap. How many they >> That's what I'm saying. So, many of them do overlap. I honestly think we ought we probably ought to we could probably sit here right now and go what do we think
is more important code uh code enforcement consistency communication efficiency with staff infrastructure uldc and public interest projects like trail connectivity because let's be real that that is a public interest thing all equally important
and I think a lot of them like the vested rights issue are things that have been kicked this cans that have been kicked down the road for 20 years which is why its us in the situation we're in right now, >> right? And that we're seeing a proliferation. So I my theory is is
to the point of the FDA having an agriculture component to it. you have created and I I say you in the overarching sense of the town governance has created a situation that compliance is
a hardship a serious hardship with FDA and engineers and then and the feedback is takes months and months for people to get through so you have to have a compliant willing individual to want to check all the boxes and I think
Virginia's point of the property she brought brought up this particular individual just hit a wall and said I can't afford to go forward because the the it's so ownorous what is being required instead of I want to be a
exempt because I'm building a horse farm FDA through FEMA allows certain leniency for agriculture properties and some of the over interpretation by the town. So, what happens is those people say, "I need to sell. I I can't keep dumping
money into this project that I know I can never fully realize. I'm willing to take a a small loss or break even. I just need to get out." Then you have the people that come in, and we all know them. There's some that are quite visible on Okchobee right now, that basically give the town the middle
finger, put up signage, get ready to to just go into business. And so what's happening is you have a proliferation of the non-compliant and the non-compliant that have no intention of ever becoming compliant. So that that
problem is e growing exponentially. And this was something I talked to Jamie Titcom about because he's like I'm fixing the problem. I said you are driving the behavior underground because you're not going to get compliance this way. And to Jane's point about the RVs, I have said you have documentation
that's so long. It took me 30 minutes of reading it back and forth and back and forth. And apparently Jane and I still don't understand it. So we'll be reading it again. >> Make a single form. I have septic. It's permitted. Check. Check. I I pump it out. Check. Here's your 50 bucks. What
you're going to find out pretty quickly is who's willing to be compliant. Then you can tighten the requirements as they go. Right? You see there's a level there's a threshold of behavior and Lockete Groves is notorious for being people who don't want to play by the
rules, right? That's it's historically what the town is known what the community is known for, right? Love it and leave it alone, right? So I think some of the ways of bringing compliance have to be a little more tailored to to the problem where
you can you can narrow it down as much as possible and still be within the the intent of of the of the effect of getting that policy in place, but trying to bring it in in a way that encourages compliance, encourages
investment in the town. you sent a letter to a county um person that said we support the equestrian industry connectivity of the trails. We we've never successfully supported our equestrian industry in this town. We've actually made it more expensive to develop a horse farm now in Locket
Groves than in Wellington. Now you can buy the land for less but you got a lot of out oh out outflow. So I think that part of this exercise should be identifying what is the number one driver of land values and then making sure that everything we decide channels
toward achieving that goal. Right? So there has to be an overarching goal that keeps these things in the priorities that that achieve that ultimate desire which I think most people want their land value protected. They want their quality of
life and their land value protected. So that was a lot of words to get to that. So sorry. >> Well, she she had equestrian trails on there, right? So that was a good thing. Code enforcement is about cleaning up so these people want to move here, right? Instead of moving to the dump, right? >> But I think we also need to look at things that make it too hard to comply.
>> We should be looking at adopting the FEMA rules for a we should be looking at tailoring or >> FDAs are common across the board. It's not just here. They call them different things, right? They call FDA's different things in different towns. We call it FDA flood development something
application right it's called is you know so flood is in the building code it's in it's in the stat it's in you know it's federal right >> the thing the thing that the biggest issue that I've come to realize in the past 6 months because I'm getting more calls about than I ever got when I was
wasn't on council and I was actually doing inspections out here. The biggest issue was um you know to to try and be compliant like you said. I'm going to put in my FDA and they were it was costing more and more and more money because the amount of times that it came
back with nitpicky one one comment one comment one comment and that's why we have contractors that don't want to work in our town. We have engineers that don't >> engineers that don't want to work in our town. So I think with the ordinance at ordinance resolution whichever that we just passed adopting that list of
>> um possible vendors for engineering firms and and >> getting rid was the issue. So now now that that is out of the picture I think we're totally done with them now, >> right? Or we should be. >> But you and I had this conversation
before we sat up here. If I want to build a building in the middle of my five acres to house six horses, I should not have to develop the entire five acres. You said county only deals with the impact so many feet around the
building. Our town, thank you former water control district people overdefined and have have created this behemoth right of of a hurdle to clear. I guess my point is I I think I think we're
going to see some some movement in that. >> I hope so >> with with because different engineering firm. >> Yeah. With a different engineering firm because the the need for compensatory storage over the whole property if you're not developing the whole property. If I want a wooded property, as long as it's not all invasives,
right? There's some debate about that. Todd and I were debating about that. You know, whether you have to remove every single invasive if you're just developing around the house. But there is some some argument to yes all invasives need to be cut. All invasives
need to be gone. And then you have other people on the other side of the table argu arguing going well holly trees retain water and stuff anyway so we need to keep the holly trees. So why are we but the reality is is the whole property is holly and Australian so it all has to go. It has to be clearcut right. So,
it's a big and I think >> but I think the FEMA thing is something that we can bring back >> but it's all based on our FDA and all the all the flood regulations is based on >> over interterpreted by our town is what I'm telling you. >> And those people are gone is what I'm saying. >> But they're still doing it.
>> No, they're one sec. They're they're but they're gone. >> Our rules don't say it. It's the way they're being implemented. >> Yeah. The way it was interpreted. >> There's nothing we can change in our rules. It's the way they're being interpreted by the engineering. >> Mr. Mr. Peters and Ingenuity are gone.
So things are going to change >> hopefully. >> Hopefully. And if they don't, we need to address it. But it it the I think there's light at the end of the tunnel from what I'm seeing. >> Ordinance that needs updating that from its initial adoption, I believe, in 2017.
And maybe we should be bringing that back and looking at however that language is in there. You know, maybe there's something in there that that could >> maybe when they've resolved to the engineering firm that's going to do it can come in and give us a presentation and we can ask those questions. Is there something we need to change so this
doesn't happen? >> Well, maybe we require them to provide a checklist. The engineering firm has to provide a checklist that the landowners have to go through. >> Staff always gets mad at me because that's what I always say. Did you give the person a checklist when you went to get that
>> easement? Did you give them a checklist? Then did you have them so that you of people coming back and saying, "Well, I never signed." Did you when it got handed to them, you initial, they initial. When when you do this, you initial when you go back and have it signed, you initial, they initial, and
then you put that completed checklist in the file. So again, that may be micromanaging, but I was like, this will circumvent people being able to say, I wasn't informed. I didn't know. I never signed it. So, and and it will and it will make
sure that you do your job and your due diligence so that nothing slips through the cracks that you didn't forget to tell them that they have the option of splitting the easement and only giving this portion of it or that portion, you know, you know what I mean? So, like that this I you got to come up with a
series of checklists for each process that we have and then you have to adhere to the checklists and whether those are in whatever the hell program that is that you guys keep bringing up. I don't know. No, no, not FDA's the ASA whether that's part of that. I don't
know. Or can be part of that. I don't know. But I think that that's critical because that's a part of communication. It's making sure that that communication is is not just given but heard and received and understood >> of experience. >> Right.
The issue with the FDA's was it would it would be submitted and they would get one correction comment and there's 10 there's 10 that should have been given that that's why I'm saying >> and it was going to different people as far as I understand so it would go to one and then they would give their
comments and then it would go back and >> excessive fees that were getting paid back to the engineer for making the corrections >> is going to be gone. So that that stuff is so >> but if we adopt the A also that will also curtail some of the engineer
>> but you can't adopt just a because not everybody's just a >> I didn't say that. I just said if it is an A classified property or building for a purposes FEMA has um solutions for that that are not as high a hurdle as a
residential development. Right. >> I Right. But I I I nobody's I don't think I don't think anybody I mean I haven't looked at one but I I don't think we need to have you know they're not putting in catch basins with with wet retention >> 10 acres and all that. >> Well listen again >> what >> happened >> I I went I went and did an inspection on
a on a on a on a garage a metal garage was built in the back corner of a 2acre property. And I I called Jamie up and I went, "What the hell's going on?" He's like, "What do you mean? What are you talking about?" I said, "We literally or y'all literally made this guy put a burm
and it was a burm this big, right, and this wide. It was ridiculous around 360 around the the garage." >> It makes so no sense. Yeah. I this side this side area of development. Yes. You know, there's existing house. Yeah.
There's there's ways to work it and I think we just need to revisit it. I I think I guess to my what I'm trying to say is I think in the near future we're going to see some you know I hope to see contractors coming back to our neighborhood and engineers coming back to our neighborhood willing to work with
our because we we're we're in a new program taking some steps I believe yeah positive steps yeah abs comment on on this topic of FDA and the ad and to hope that contractors that constantly change and district
supervisors etc. you know understand and interpret well people change all the time. It is the town. It is upon you and if there's an ordinance hey let's make sure engineers let's make sure contractors vendors you are aware
not hoping they understand you need to take the horse by the reins and direct them. These are the different FDAs in our town. So when somebody comes in here who is agg and they have five
acres, 10 acres, their FDA does not have to cover the entire property, they don't have a flood zone on their entire property, but if there's a portion of their property that is flood zone, oh my god, the whole property needs an FDA. That is the biggest problem in this
town. So again, as the council, you need to have some confirmation of what these vendors and contractors understand. That's likely that's why people have different builders because some contractors just don't understand building code or try and do a different
things. Thank you. >> Unfortunately, to your point about the portion of the property being in a flood zone and a portion not being in the flood zone, the property is the property. So the property is looked at as like a little island and so if a portion of the property falls in a
special I do this for a living Cass the portion of the property falls in a special flood hazard area then it it affects the entire property essentially. So if you're developing a house, even if you're developing in the egg zone and half the property, if you have five acres is has a house and or just take
say an acre, you have an acre that has the house and the house is in the front and the back half is is special flood hazard area, it still affects what you have to do with the house as far as elevation and things like that. So and that's all NFIP, FEMA, the whole nine yards. It all has to do with the flood.
So, you know, I say we bring it back. I say, you know, we we had somebody that was working. He went and got his flood plane manager, but he decided to go do something else. So hopefully the next guy's got his flood plane manager certificate and you know, or we can turn
to one of the engineers and we get some clear direction and work in a positive direction. I'm I'm saying in the near future right now till we can do that. I think we're moving positive stuff. >> The checklist I think will go a long way. >> Checklist is a big thing. So >> did you want me to put checklists on >> FEMA? FEMA checklist, FDA checklist,
whatever development checklist, >> FEMA, so checklists. >> I think checklist in general. >> Yeah, it's about >> what we're talking about FEMA or FDA easement, any any other categories, >> easements, permits.
>> Yeah, I think >> I think permits have gotten a better job >> before we come on the checklist for any kind of FDA, whatever. I think we need some clarification as to what the what what the FEMA recommended, whatever, etc. for for a etc. So >> correct me if I'm wrong. We haven't they
haven't clarified the community standards department has not clarified which of the engineers >> are going to do what things like certain it's my understanding that we had like five on the list and like some of them were good at this and some of them were good at that and that was the reason to
get five that day. So we kind of first have to get re-examine which >> I think with one engineering firm and having to come back and go through two readings and months of whatever and they could be able to pivot and like this guy's not
working out well. >> So do we want to ask for uh well that item will be back on the agenda, right? Because yeah we didn't have it right. So that'll be back on the agenda. So these are all great questions that we can ask um that night. So, um
I'm going to make a suggestion that um that I take this because I'm unable this way to to do any kind of prioritizing and I think everybody else is too. So, my suggestion is going to be is that I take this list and I compile it and I
send it to the town clerk tomorrow and the town clerk sends it out to all of us so that I'm not directly communicating with anybody. The town clerk sends it out to all of us. I'll try to con I'll try to put things together that are like things on people's lists and I'll do the
list and I'm not going to put it in any order. I'm just going to maybe I'll put it in alphabetical order so I'm not putting any advice in on it or something but I'll I'll compile the list. I'll send it to Valerie. She'll send it to each of us and then we um prioritize it. You know, put I don't know a star next
to what's important to us or whatever. Let's see how many we wind up with. We I think we're all in agreement that we want to come up with 10 things. >> Well, I still have an opening here for number five and something else. I want >> potentially. >> Okay. But you were also okay with some of the ones already.
>> I think we can build on this. I think this is a good start. >> This is a great start and then we can prioritize this list and then like I said, soon as something drops off, there's something else to go on here. There's always something else. But this way it's it's making it potentially achievable. One of the things that I
always say about this community, Lisa, kind of to piggyback on what you said is that we have we've bred a culture of rule breakers. >> Yeah. >> Right. And one of the ways that we've bred a culture of rule breakers is by creating a whole bunch of things that are not really enforceable.
>> Yeah. >> Um and so or that either that we don't enforce or that are not enforceable. I heard pitch in the middle of Costco, >> right? And the and the example that I'll give is um you know one just one of many
problems that we deal with the town deals with when I say we I mean them um on a day-to-day basis is you know try to enforce codes on a back five. >> Yeah it's impossible. >> Yeah >> right. It's impossible. So unless
>> the complaint let you on their is behind them and let you on the property and you can see >> if they were the complaint then they let you on and who knows if somebody on the back five is dumping poop all over the ground if that their neighbor doesn't see it if they're dumping on you know you know what I'm saying. So >> I I think that we need to be really
present to that and to try to make things possibly achievable and enforceable. So, I' I'd like to start with this list of maybe I don't know 15 items that we have here and then try to get some of these checked off, right?
because some of them like the vested rights has been getting getting that's been those problems along Okchobee and those vested rights have been an issue in the town since I moved here in 2011 and I'm certain that they were ongoing prior to that
>> and and so and we have made in some cases some of them bigger and monsters not only by letting them go on for so long but by um you know because that gives uh them a certain amount of leverage that we've
let it go on for so long, right? And so therefore, they maybe have a claim to vested rights. I'm not saying they do. I don't want to get into that argument right now. I'm just saying >> the fact that we we haven't solidified, made a decision, and gotten something done for, you know, 20 years on some of
these things. Some of them, I'm sure, even longer. But it encourages more >> encourages more bad behavior and it and gives the people who are behaving badly >> some footing. Well, >> okay. So, >> I think as we drill down on this, it's
actually going to let us because I know I've gotten a couple calls that our committee members are not very happy because whether whether for whatever reason like some of them haven't been meeting, right? So, you and I'm not talking about fact. I'm talking about
like uh I think it was somebody on ulc or something. I forget who it was off the top of my head, but I think we can actually and I know when I was sat on Jeff looked at me and said, "You can't decide what the next meeting is because it's direction of council." And we found out at a meeting
>> like we can we can say hey listen >> once we get this >> we're asking to work on this code section or work on defining this corridor or you know we're te tasking uh redact was like because they decided to go over the sign thing again right and
that's but you know when I was on red gak before it got shut down we had approved the whole sign package it was pretty much done so it got mixed around so we actually say hey listen we want you to look at look at the whole map, find out where we have, you know, easements where we don't have easements. Let's let's go back over that map and
define that because I know we have a book of maps and it's old and we might have gained some easements by then by now or whatever and we can actually start and that will help whittle some of the stuff down >> 100%. Yeah, start assigning it out. I agree with you and it's almost like you read my mind. I I'd like to also add if
you guys don't mind the gap roads because those are a constant problem. Let's add the gap roads there which I know are funded already. the gap the roads that like were not finished. They had hunks of them not done just like let's get that off the plate um as a priority. So it was almost almost like
we Yeah, North Red being one of them. So it was almost like we planned this little segue because one of the things that I brought up and and Jeff was gonna well Francine was going to have Jeff look into it um is could we because this is a daunting list, right? This is a
huge daunting list. Now, we've picked 10, 15 things off of here that we're going to try to get done in the next 3 months, 6 months, whatever. You know, let's get them done, right? Let's get them handled off our plate and then pick another 10 off of the list, right? But one of the things that I suggested we
might also be able to do, but Francine felt that the legality of it or how it could be handled would have to be looked into is to have council if they chose prove choose a council project. And I'll give you an example. Um Darcy, who is my
appointee for uh the uh >> trails >> trails committee, thank you. the red tag committee um has contacted me about actually interestingly enough the trees along Okachobee for which we have some grant money and things like that but if I was willing to kind of drive or
spearhead that project right reporting back to everybody this is what you know and and task her with doing things as this committee like if there's some way we could structure where we could each kind of pick a project if we wanted to and and drive drive some of these
projects s off the list. Something that's important to you on the list. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's planting trees along a Kachchobee, maybe it's the mural on the side of the southern building, you know, the the smaller projects, but drive them to a committee and drive the committee because I remember when I first serve
ser served on back, which was like I think in 2011, maybe it was 2012. It was a long time ago, but when I first served on it, when I first served on that committee, >> the structure was that we had a council member who was
>> in the liaison or in charge of the committee. And that council member, it was Ryan Leang at the time, came to all of our fact committee meetings and then reported out and made it, you know, and participated basically, not not
directed, but participated or >> right >> kind of directed kind of not directed. You get what I'm saying? So, I'm looking for a way that maybe we can we as individuals can help take some of these smaller items off of that huge list, look at and go, you know, well, this is
really the ecology of the canals is really important to Lisa. You know, the trash in the canals, the ecology of the So, she's going to try to figure out. >> Oh, well, but you get what I'm saying. So, anyhow, Jeff's looking into the legality of it. Um, >> I'm going to go to public works. I'm
going to whip on Craig until he gets the machine out there. Oh, I'm not suggesting we I'm not suggesting I'm suggesting that we kind of be the like you said the one who turns the key, you know, and maybe provides a little bit of the oil and a little bit of the
>> lubrication or whatever else other things you said. Um, so >> I'd like to see us get some priorities like moving first like that might that might be three months down the road or four months before we >> two years down the road. Listen, I I think you get a lot of >> I would be afraid it would fracture.
>> I think we get a lot of traction with committees if we can discern which of these things need to go before a committee. I mean, and not everything at the committee needs to be five stinking meetings, >> right? >> Not everything not every not everything needs to be, you know, I mean, we beat
that. What was it? >> The sign ordinance that now >> revamp thing. We beat that to death and and I asked for this and then it didn't come back and oh we and we were trying to get it done because I frankly I wanted the council before the election
to to you know to read it and vote it in and be done >> buy it. >> Oh the sign ordinances took how long? Yeah, there's a whole thing on the sign or I mean >> of them. >> Yeah. >> And we started looking at the sign orders with retag or whatever whichever version back when I was on it. Fman
brought that to us, >> right? >> You know, he brought us the the you know, whichever roads I know watching watching, you know, whichever roads, the the main road versus the side road, artiller arterial roads, etc. And it's just Yeah. So, but I think we can I think we can hit we can
if we focus to get it done, we can do it. But I think the key is making like Lisa was saying, we got to make sure that we're not getting all these little, oh, this is a fire. We got to put this out at additions to our agendas and stuff, too. Yeah. >> Okay. I will type up this, send it to
Val, and uh have her distribute and then figure out how you want to prioritize it and we'll discuss it on the 2nd of December. So, one of the things I wanted to add for my number five because you added another one on somebody else's is reclaimed water. And I've discussed
about using reclaimed water to fill the canals. >> Reclaim water. >> Reclaimed water to fill the canals because they're talking about we got to spend millions of dollars on the pump house, right, to fix that. And if we can use reclaimed water for free to fill to fill the canals, we don't need the necessary I know the gate structure
needs to be fixed anyway. >> Yeah. But the pumping and all that, if we could use reclaimed water instead, we may not even need the pump. >> Does a reclaim pipe go right down south? >> Right down Okachobee Boulevard. >> Oh, down goes down. >> Yeah. And it was being used for the power plant and my understanding is they're not using it anymore. So there's
huge capacity there for us to use that >> and and maybe we can also incorporate into that like Alman Farms. You can imagine the amount of water Alman Farms uses. Maybe they could use that reclaimed water for irrigation instead of like a salt. Yeah. They get it for free. it if I'm not if my understanding
is if you hook up to the reclaim water you can use as much as you want it's unlimited there's >> describe how that works >> which part water how do you get it how do you get it comes down to bullet >> we got to get to the water utilities department first we need to find out can we use that for for filling our canals
because everybody's like oh what's the quality of the water I don't know is it any good come out of the C-51 or out of our ditches probably not it's probably better >> still waiting for the nutrient report right so so it's probably better than that so we would need to get somebody to check into it to make sure that we could do that. >> They're currently building a facility
right across the street from the re reclamation facility on Hagen Ranch Road and it's a big RO facility and within the near f within the near future it'll be yeah it'll be palatable potable water.
>> So they're not drink they're not going to give it away reclaimed water. They're going to reuse it. >> Well listen they they inject it in the ground there as well. They're just looking for, you know, it's actually happening in California right now, right? >> Um, currently, and they're looking for alternate ways because as we have drier seasons and things like that and the,
you know, the salt intrusion that's happening, you know, not without going down a rabbit hole, you know, so they're looking at alternate methods and then spend a bunch of, uh, water meter money on on getting this done, but yeah. So, that my buddy was actually telling me about that the other day. >> So, yeah, I mean, that's something I
think we should try try to get on that. It's not like you put a faucet into the canal, right? I mean, how >> Yeah. Essentially, take it out. >> Yeah, I think essentially. Yeah. I mean, you know, you put in you put in the the the lift station to pump it out. >> No, no, it's not. It's pressurized. >> I know. I'm saying you put in a simple
lift station to pump it out into the pipe and it goes down to the facility and it just comes back down the road. So, tee it off somehow. I'm sure. >> Yeah. Right. Right there. Okchobee. Dump it in. >> Kind of wastegate type of scenario. No, no pun intended. This I've been trying to find out since I was serve the water
patrol district just to show you how slow things are is how many people are actually have permits to pump out of the canals it versus how many people are pumping out of the canals for their irrigation purposes and try to get a
handle on that too. So that could all be part of this you know trying to get another problem that's been around for a really long time. But you can imagine also how much water they use out of >> I know. I mean to that point though I don't know >> they can't use the reclaimed water is my understanding because they're all natural the gas property
>> because they're all although I'm not sure how good the water is they're pumping out of the canal >> right >> I mean that's what I'm saying we need to get us we need to get some >> I'm not sure how much the quality canal versus the >> I don't know if like say a a a development uses reclaim in their in
there for their irrigation. I'm not sure if if they are metered or not, you know. >> My understanding is you pay for the hookup. You can use as much water as much as you want. >> 2 in pipe wide open all day as much as you want. >> Yeah. They have so much excess of it.
>> Yeah. That whole co um >> that water facility down there or that one there's a facility. There's a natural nature facility with wetlands and stuff. It's all reinjected water. >> Reclaimed water. Yeah. >> Right. At least I had something to say. >> March. >> Yes. What would you say was the year the
town was established? Was it when the state passed it in ' 06 or when you sat the first council in ' 07? >> 06 is when the governor signed. Then at um October 10 is when uh the residents
voted and then uh voted on whether they wanted it or not and the council and then they were seated in March. >> So when would you call it official? the governor's point of it or >> the people voted on it, wouldn't you?
>> I would say the 10th of October was the official. >> So my point is is next year, next fall is 20 years. So I would think if we're going to do something, we should start thinking now whether we're going to do some commemorative something.
>> 20th anniversary celebration. Let's add that to the list. Okay. So I because we just had the founders day and the parade and everything this would be >> if we're going to do it we should start planning it now and and >> October 10th you would say? >> Yeah >> October 10th. >> Okay
>> that's when the resident made right >> the final vote. >> Yeah I would say the resident's vote is definitely the official date >> and that was 06. >> The governor saying you can vote on it is oh >> maybe we could incorporate it with the founders day. >> Yeah >> Veterans Day founders day. and say
>> I know it's a little early but I'm saying I don't know we could I know it's not the day of >> could you know yeah and you know to think about comb and that's why we not exactly October make it bigger >> or or we just do a year-long celebration
right it starts then and it maybe runs till when the council's seated and we do something every month like we have a giveaway of trees or we do a just something to commemorate it um because it is a big milestone Uh, Anita, did you find out what uh the
celebration for Big Dog was? >> I had did not have time to ask about that, but that is something to bring up. We have three minutes. So, apparently Big Dog had a big celebration the other day about the >> 80. I saw the post. >> Yeah. So, we need to look into that because >> it's not residential.
>> It's the dog. >> Yeah. They're calling it >> the puppy pods were were rumored to have been part of a halfway house conspiracy. >> Okay. And they were just asking. >> And they were puppy pods. They were little sheds, like reab sheds, >> right? And they're literally they were
like maternity wards for dogs for the puppies, >> right? This from what I gathered from, and I could be wrong, you know, I saw the post as well. I mean, from what I gather when they said 80 bunks, I think it's 80 dogs. They do have a a veteran
program there and they have a a like um duplex type of scenario where they could for short stay or training with the dogs or overnight for watching dogs or whatever. But I believe that that large building the 80 bunks is dogs.
>> I think they called a lodge is what they called it. >> Yeah, it's they were using the word bunks because it's the idea is it's there service animals for veterans and that's that's the idea. Is it the big building that faces Okchobee? >> To the east. Farthest east. >> The furthest east nearest the station.
>> No, I know. But yeah, the farthest east. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I have other questions about building >> for a long time. whereas it sounded like the news coverage was placing it facing deeper, >> you know, and and I said, "No, the the
only thing that I knew that they were discussing was the east side of that property on the south side. Southeast side." >> You got a minute, guys. Anything you want to say? >> Anything? >> No. Yeah. >> Nothing. >> Casey, you were quiet tonight. You got
nothing to say? You look tired, actually. Did you just travel in or something? You look really tired. Oh, you do. All right. Well, >> once again, I think this was like super productive. I appreciate the public um
input. I appreciate the opportunity for us to toss things back and forth. Um I I even appreciate the liveless of the conversation at times. >> Different than we in the kitchen table. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. >> Just the same as sitting at the kitchen
table, but I think that we are getting a lot um accomplished through this. So, um again, I will make a promise to work on this list tomorrow. If I don't get it done tomorrow, we'll get it done at least by the next day to Val and let her know that it's important to get it
disseminated to you guys as quickly as possible. And then just pick your way that you want to prioritize or maybe um cut stuff out, whatever, and we'll talk about it. We'll make sure it's on the next agenda. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I
>> I >> I Okay. Next.