Yeah, >> Jeff is on his way. So, you guys want to start? We really don't have a chair yet. >> Is she coming? >> Um, she Jacqueline's not coming. Oh, >> yeah.
>> I asked that question because I want to start before her. So, if you guys want, we can proceed with the meeting and we'll go forward from that. So, um, I'll kind of be the moderator for tonight. Do you want me to call the meeting to order and take? Go ahead. >> All right. I'll call this meeting to
order. The planning and zoning board meeting at 6:03 p.m. If we can all rise for the pledge. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, quick roll call. Uh, chair Jacqueline Clifton is absent. Uh, board member Lisette Vasquez Martinez. Board member Cassie Suchi
>> here. >> Board member Arlene White, >> present. >> Board member Robert Shore, >> present. Community Standards Director Karen Gardner Young >> and then Gabriela Crosio listen to the town clerk is present.
Um I don't believe there are any additions, deletions, or modifications to this agenda by staff. The board has anything they'd like to add. Seeing as there are none, we can move on to the approval of the minutes. Um, we would just need a motion from one of you
to approve the February 10th, 2026 meeting minutes. >> If we weren't here, >> yeah, it's um >> should abstain. >> It's purely like a ministerial kind of thing. Just so if anyone asks for minutes for the meeting, these are the
ones that we would provide. Um, you can approve to just receive and file them. You don't have to approve to necessarily like or motion to approve them if you would rather motion to receive and file them if that's you're comfortable.
>> Well, I think we only have one person that was here to >> Oh, you both were here >> and that's not enough to >> Yeah. >> approve. So, I'd make a motion to receive and file. >> That works with me. >> That works.
>> All right. All in favor? >> I >> All right. Motion passes 40. There are no public comments at this time. So we move on to item number two, swearing in of the new members. We have Robert Shore and Lis Lette. Is it Lucette?
>> Is it Vasquez? >> Lette Vasquez. So if you guys can raise your right hands. I passed out the oath to you guys. I'm going to read it off and you guys just repeat after me, but it's also in front of you on the oath as well. So, I do solemnly swear or affirm
>> I doly swear or affirm >> that I will support, protect, and defend >> that I will support, protect, and defend >> the Constitution and government of the United States and of the state >> the Constitution and government United States and of the state >> and the charter of the town of
Lockahhatche Groves. >> And the town of Lockachi Groves. that I am duly qualified to hold office that activity >> under the constitution of the state and the charter of the town of Lockahhatche Gross >> under the constitution of the state and
the town of Bloxy Grove >> and that I will well and faithfully perform >> that I will perform >> the duties of committee member upon which I am now about to enter >> upon which I'm about to enter. >> All right, you guys are sworn in. If you
guys can just uh sign the oaths and pass them down, I'll collect them. And then >> Congratulations, guys. Welcome. Welcome. >> That moves us on to item number three, appointment of chair and vice chair. Uh I know previously our chair was Jackie.
Um, I know without her being here, it's up to you guys whether or not you'd want to appoint another chair and vice chair since she isn't here today with us, but I know one of the items, the strategic planning pillars, the chair is going to have to go upon the uh council for the
June 16th meeting. So, even if we don't appoint a chair today per se, we still would need someone to act as a leazison for the board for them. and we wait until we have a full board. >> Yeah. You want the full board to appoint the actual chair and vice chair?
>> Yeah. >> Okay, that's fine. We can move that to another meeting and then we can just move on to item number four. Well, what that you should do is just do a temporary for this meeting, a chair and vice chair. So that person knows that on the June 16th meeting, you would
be presenting to the town council the pillars that we'll talk about tonight because we are required to have a chair and a vice chair now that we have a constituted board. But again, we'd only be temporary and then you'll do the full vote once you have a complete board. Hopefully that's the next meeting. >> When is the meeting?
>> It's June 16th. It's next Tuesday at 6 PM. Robert, you interested? >> I'm here. >> You've talked before. So, I make a motion for Robert. >> Me, too. >> Just he's kind of familiar with it >> and he has experience.
>> So, I have a motion from Cassie and a second from Lette >> to appoint Robert Shore as the temporary chair of the PNZ board at this time. >> Do you accept? >> Yes. Perfect. Great. Congratulations.
>> Oh, I thought we had to do a vote. >> Yeah. All in favor for the motion. >> Yes. >> Yes. I >> All right. Motion passes 40. Thank you guys. >> Okay. I guess I'm in the driver's seat here. >> Yeah. It's on to you.
>> Um >> All right, everybody. Just these these lights. If you want to talk, push your light so I can see that you want to make a comment. Yeah. Otherwise, have a hard time trying to figure out who wants to speak and who
was first. So, yeah, that's what that's what those lights are for there. >> Okay. No, >> it's so I could see. >> That is a good point though. I would wonder why they're laying on the whole meeting. My paper,
but I just want to do that and uh we'll make comments and we'll just go in order. everybody has a chance to make a comment if you choose and then we'll do a second round so you can respond to other comments and uh we'll go from there.
>> First thing is the ordinance >> if you want to run with this. >> Yeah, actually if you wouldn't mind um we uh table this just for Jeff the town attorney is the one who's been handling this matter and he said he's on his way so just running a little bit late. So if
we could move to if it's okay with the board that we move to the pillars and then when Jeff shows up we can go back for him to discuss that item. >> All right. The pillars of strategic planning. >> So before you which has gone to is is
has gone to some and will go to all committees. The town council had asked for certain um um discussion be had at each one of the committees and to provide them some guidance on the thought um and desires
of each one of the committees. The topics that they asked uh each one of the committees to take a look at is first they asked to define what you feel the word rural means. And I think the rationale for that is that a lot of our documents talk about a rural lifestyle,
but never really has it been defined. So they were kind of looking from the committee's perspective, how you would define that. Um, you know, whether that's a word, whether that's a sentence, however you feel it's comfortable, multiple words you want
throw out there. And then the idea is for the uh chair to present to the um town council next Tuesday on what the definition of uh rural is. Uh Robert, do you want me to go on to
the next section? You want to stop at each section? You tell me which how you would like to >> I think let's just stop and discuss section and then I guess I'll summarize the discussion and present it. >> I mean I already have my notes of what I put so let me have a clean agenda so I can
add whatever. And if uh did did everybody get a chance to review this and take some notes? Did your homework? Awesome. Great. >> All right, Cassie. >> Homework. The dog ate the other.
>> Cassie, you want to start? >> Um, so I thought of a, you know, agricultural, residential. This is what I would define. low density basically, you know, open space. We want to prioritize that. We want to concentrate
on the natural environment, tree canopy, and conservation. Um, and with the egg res that that's basically um like uh larger open lots that accommodate agricultural uses.
That's kind of what I came up with. All right. you said. >> Okay. So, for me, this one is very hard to answer because um I have seen many changes in the short time that I have
lived in Losah. I wrote something a little longer within the context of the town of Loxahi Groves. Okie Chobi Boulevard North seems to have more land where houses are not so close from one another.
F road E road meet with Crestwood Park which is a big field of wetland and lakes within the context of the town of Loxahachi Grove Okchobee Boulevard South is not a rural area we have immediate
access to busy traffic roads and homes are closer to one another compared to Okchobee Boulevard North rural areas and wildlife habitats are fundamentally I moved to Los Sahachi Groves in 2020.
We used to see wild rabbits, armadillos, coyotees, and even a panther ones. However, this has changed. It's been a while since we saw rabbits or armadillos. I saw coyote dead by Southern Boulevard recently.
Extremely sad. There are towns in Florida with many plant nurseries and nursery fields that are not necessarily located in rural areas designation. The equestrian lifestyle, however, could serve as a powerful catalyst for
reviving our rural culture. It might be a good idea to start considering the queen industry as a possible backbone for the town's lural prosperity. I would like to know more about council members and it has gain equestrian state concept at this as this might might be
the best and only way to preserve our rural culture. >> Okay. like you've earl >> um again you know exactly the rural lifestyle is I moved here in 2000 you know and it's changed a lot since then
but it needed to a bit we needed to have some paved roads and things because we really couldn't operate you know what we wanted to in this area with dirt roads um so I think that we've come a little bit into you know a good spot with some
of the stuff we've done but we are getting close to you know changing it a little too much I feel. So I do think that the equestrian community is probably the one way because you have a lot of money in that in that sect to
help um carry the load of the town and you know be able to pay enough to live here and to keep the land large and the areas more rural. Most of the other businesses when you're talking about nurseries and agricultural properties,
their tax bills are minimum. You know, they don't they don't really pay what an equestrian facility could pay for that. >> And not necessarily falls under, oh, we have so many nurseries that defines us
as a rural area. >> Yeah. >> By Florida definition does not. >> Right. and you know between um you know Lockxachi Groves has a number of churches that's another non income producing you know sect of people that
are on our town land right so you know that that's freebies and how many churches if you drive down Okachobee Boulevard we have a church on almost every corner big properties of churches so we don't get tax revenue from that so we have to try to find a way to make it
affordable for people to live here and still have the rural lifestyle but not be priced out, right? And so we have to find a compromise in that, I think. And I think that, you know, the equestrian people have the money to um to generate
some good income for the town, but we also have to make it so that they can run their businesses and and and work, you know, in this area. So, >> it's a hard question. >> What about you? Mine was pretty simple.
One word things here. Trees, animals, two-lane roads, motorist wave. No two properties or houses look the same. >> That's my vision. And and we've been like that.
I just don't want to see that change. I think we are like that. >> Also, um >> still not as many people seem to want to wave on paved roads as they did on >> infrastructure. Yeah. You know, uh, I would say that defines rural, right?
That goes along with yours. >> What was that again? >> That's urban infrastructure. >> That's urban. >> We already have it. >> Well, we have it in certain areas, but it's not crisscrossing the town. It's along like the major corridor, but
it's not >> right. >> And it's optional for other people. thought. >> Okay. The next one, >> the next one is strategic pillars. They asked the committee to identify three or
four what they consider major strategic pillars. Pillars are like, think about it, they hold up that, you know, they hold up the roof. >> And these are meant to be very broad categories. So whereas when you get to the next
section, it's more an action plan. Sorry. So, it's for an action plan. So, this would be general something would um a pillar might be um I'm trying to avoid any controversial issues. Um it might be um
stronger code enforcement. That might be a pillar. And then your action is you know funding an additional code officer. That could be the action. So it's a very general like it has down here, you know, improve or maintain infrastructure and
maybe the action plan is to create a roadway plan for five years or whatever it is. So they're really looking for those general topics of what you think we need to address and then from there we will go to the next step on how do we address those pillars. Did I explain it
well? >> Y >> okay, good. I think I got that. >> All right. But I'll give you my opinions anyway. >> Lisette, you want to start this time? >> Well, no. Um, >> don't want to always put Cassie on the spot there.
>> Um, well, I thought I don't even know if I'm right. So, okay. I was talking about um >> protecting our conservation areas that we have already through easements. um requiring that any new like commercial developments will blend
seamlessly into the environment which protects our tree canopy. So instead of just taking it down and then replanting saplings, we blend it around so it blends into the environment. um uh
requiring um uldc's on different um landscaping to stagger the planting instead of in a straight line that if one dies it looks there's like a stick of staplings so they stagger on different heights so it makes it more
um it looks more like the environment it looks like the natural environment around us like a perfect little road bushes um I don't what that's called, but so I guess that would be like uldc. >> So I think I got this wrong. >> No, you actually did really really well.
I mean the first one protect conservation. That's clearly and then your action plan would be to create easements, right? >> Conservation comes with the open spaces. >> Absolutely. >> And I think the other one is I think you want strengthened landscaping regulations. So I think that's the
pillar and then your action then would be you know adopt regulations that blend the you know landscaping into the construction or you know um or you know bit better coverage or maintaining you
know creating regulations that maintain the existing landscaping that could be something that would be the action plan but I don't short change yourself you did really well >> so and then I guess protecting the environment and the wildlife habitats. >> Yep. >> And the reasons we moved out here for
the open spaces. >> So, I don't know if I got that right. >> Yep. >> Right. >> Okay. So, Karen, mind you that one of the examples that you wrote in here says public safety.
>> So, public safety is my number one pillar. I don't know about the rest of Loxahachi Grove area, but I do know that San Diego drive we have many families with children. We should guarantee the safety of family and children no questions
asked. Tax budget is designed to pay and guarantee police patrolling and safety. Loxahi residents, homeowner, taxpayers should have what we pay for. In addition, our busy roads will be
safer with police patrolling. Statistically, the presence of police reduced traffic accidents, rates, home invasion, and deaths, crimes overall. I would like to see the policing
patrolling reinstated in the city like as soon as possible. There was no reason whatsoever that we had to stop paying Palm Beach Sheriff department if you
found some irregularities between the contracts. We didn't have to pay for that because right now we are all at risk. And I have an example for you. >> Let's not go down a rabbit hole. We're keeping this broad. The pillar is public
safety and then the action items on how do you increase it would be the next item. So yeah, we're looking at the pillars right now. >> The pillar should be having the police department back in action in Los Sani girls. And I just want to say an example because I'm very passionate about that.
So is um a council member um Manish when they run for their seats one of the main um subjects when they run and we knock on doors on people's homes and we talk
to them one by one in San Diego drive was that about police safety and security and having that reinstated when we don't have that back we are neglecting and we are not keeping on the promise that we gave them. But I have an example for you. When we have the
councils at meeting, you guys hire a police officer detail that stands by the door. Why is that? Because you want to feel safe and you want to feel secure, right? And you want to feel safe and secure from the constituents in the
room. Well, we want the same thing. We want to feel safe and secure at home. And it doesn't make any sense to wait up until October until the contract is going to be renewed. That should be reinstated like tomorrow. No questions
asked. You want to feel safe? We do too. Not all homeowners Not all homeowners are gun friendly. I know some of the residents here love guns. They have tons of guns. They feel that they can manage their safety at
home. All right. >> You're not on this thing. >> I want to cut you off, but you're going down a rabbit hole. So, >> public safety public safety was a pillar. Did you have any other pillars? Was that the focus? >> I have other pillars.
So, when it comes to the rural preservation and tree conservation, I want to say something about that. Um, they're intrinsically linked. Council member Anita Kaine spoke about something very important in the
last council member meeting in June 2nd last week. She said we should not be approving trees removal until the site plant is approved. I agree with that 100%. I saw with my own eyes two Florida pine
trees go down and that was brutal to watch. The land owner didn't even have a loan approved to build a home nor a fence permit to build a homes. That was the premise around having the trees
down. Yet, he was given permits to remove two Florida pine trees. People move to rural areas, but they don't want to have trees because they are high maintenance. My suggestion is that we really need to start drawing the line when it comes to tree removals
strongly. No more. We don't have trees. No Google are >> and I have another one. >> Good. >> Equestrian support is my number three. We need to have more conversations about
the question centers equin tourism. I have an article. You guys can read it later, but it pretty much aligns with an ital um king concept and idea of having the city um
leaning towards an equestrian state. So, >> all right, thank you. Um, back to that, I think that we need that one of the pillars would be to get back into looking at the equestrian trail that was supposed to be put in here 20 years ago that still is not
there. Okay. So, trying to go back to look at maybe some money again from the state or somehow to get that trail system through the town. I think that would really solidify, you know, the area as an equestrian community, which then allows people to mingle from one
farm to the next and not be worried about how they get there and make sure that it's safe for the kids to ride, you know, on the easement instead of on the road because we've seen a lot of problems with, you know, accidents and that there. So, I think trying to figure out how to get that back on the agenda
and looking into how we could get that done again and then whatever putting the committee together again and trying to go for some funding for that. >> Um, I agree with the conservation easements. I think that's good. And then um I think what about you know if crime
prevention is your number one thing in safety. We used to have a volunteer group that used to be in the town years ago that used to you know kind of do policing around and there was a kind of a volunteer crime stoppers kind of thing
and they would you know make the rounds in the neighborhoods and they were locals that lived in the community but they you know would just be present. Maybe that's a way to do it a little more affordable and not having to and have, you know, a big police force.
Maybe we can have that start again. I don't know. >> All right. Thank you. I had a rural preservation, public safety, and infrastructure as the three pillars. And um
for the rural preservation, keep that one in five zoning we have. >> Don't uh reduce the lot size. Um preserve the trees whenever we can.
Um seen a few situations and I was involved in some where somebody had a site plan and you know reviewing a site plan. It's like doesn't make sense. You don't have to take these trees out. That happened a couple years ago. It happened again the
other night. Same situation. So, you know, recognizing that and you know, council being in the loop and uh having that ability to send him back to the drawing board. Um
so the process in the uh we'll talk about a little bit later the process in the site plan approval having that public input trying to preserve as much trees as possible and then for PBSO just a solid long-term
contract with PBSO is what I would like to see. I mean this back and forth every year is is very difficult. And whatever it ends up that
council agrees to, you know, it needs to be something something set in stone with limits of escalation like we previously had. We had four-year contract with annual renewals with limits on escalation. So,
>> Robert, I'm sorry. Can you give a little feedback on how how was it when you were mayor? How was what >> those issues with the police department, the contract, the payments, did they, you know, they got paid on time? Was it ever an issue?
>> Yeah. No, it it was never an issue, but that's, you know, that was then, this is now, you know, there's issues now. So, >> you know, the council's got to find a way to to solve it. Um, I've always said
my opinion was we have a Lloyds of London policy for a allstate price with PBSO because you've got a probably one of the um, you know, they protect the president. I mean, it's one of the
greatest in my opinion police departments east of the Mississippi. Maybe New York City is obviously bigger, but the the resources they have are phenomenal, you know, and the work they do that we don't even know. I was
privileged to know some of it as mayor that you don't discuss in the public, but they were they were uh they were doing good. All right. So, the >> one more >> concepts. >> Did we have in there anything with our
canal? our canal like network protecting our canal network making sure >> yeah I had infrastructure >> that's as a pillar and we got to talk about how do we >> that would be part of infrastructure >> yeah what's our what's our recommendations to the
council to >> well we need to make sure we have the structures to uh hold more water north drain when needing draining because every all the water seems to go south and flood south and there's less up north. So,
wasn't my understanding that we used to have structures that would push the water and hold it more north? >> Well, they never make sure we have all the right structures. >> Yeah. Nothing ever pushed it. You got to have a pump to push it. And remember, it's all sand, so water is just going to
>> move around the town, >> especially for fire prevention, but also for agriculture. >> Yeah. The north end is >> drier. >> Yeah. It's a higher elevation. So, but there was grants submitted to put a,
you know, pumping station in and put we in to try to hold more water on the on the north end. Yeah. >> Couldn't think of one. >> So, it is, you know, the concepts there. It's, you know, funding. It's a a pretty decent size funding request
and you can't just do part of it. It's not going to You have to do it all at once. Otherwise, you're not going to hold the water. You got to have all the we and then the bumps. Otherwise, the water is going to just take the path of least resistance. And because
everything's connected, all our canals are connected for multiple reasons, but for redundancy mainly in case one of them gets blocked up, the water can go somewhere else. >> So, um, as I'm listening, it sounds like Cassie that you might be recommending to
purchase land for water storage. You don't have to designate north or south. No, you don't think that we trying to I'm trying to come up with a kind of an action for what you're looking at. >> We have the canals that'll store. It's just getting the water to stay up that way. >> The action is the pump and we system. >> The pump and we system.
>> Yeah, the weir I couldn't think of the word. >> So, is it improved or is maintained? >> It's it's a new system. >> It's a it's a new system at this point in time. >> Was it maintain, improve, or in place? Place. Just want to make sure I'm giving
>> there's legends that it once existed >> the information he needs to present. I apologize. And then I heard, you know, the equestrian lifestyle for the first answer, you know, more equestrian
pillars with trails and equestrian estates and then uh so kind of piggybacking on, you know, some of the >> estates we have never defined and we were all over the place on that and what
it actually represented. Was it, you know, and and was it actually something we needed to name? This is what we had the conversation or was it already included >> in what was allowed >> for some >> we got never got any feedback.
>> What we were given was this open thing and what we from my understanding and what I remember is everything that we thought would be in it is already allowed. So what are you asking for that's not already allowed in our code? >> And that's the key is
>> we just need to be careful that if you >> you can do it with the code that's there >> as long >> but it's not spelled out. It's not attractive. You have to understand the code, know the code, work around it, figure out what you can do. You there's not a category that would attract somebody to want to do something like
that. >> Yeah. I think the big issue was that you have the you have limitations on the secondary housing. Yeah, that's the biggest problem. >> Um, you know, the,200 square feet and all that, >> but we don't want the equestrian estates to
negate or run over the top of another pillar to protect open spaces and large lots and, you know, less urban if we're increasing size of different structures. >> Yeah. >> I just don't I don't like the estate word because >> I picture similar houses.
>> I know. >> You know, one builder, these models, boom, boom, boom. There was no no there was no boundaries. It was kind of all open >> my opinion. But >> I love the concept because like I said southern Okchobee Boulevard
style is not we're not a rural area. We were actually taking this designation of rural area. I say the only way to preserve that rural culture is enhancing
what it is what it means what what it is to have or be an equestrian state. you drive down E- Road to an Okachchobee and collecting canal, you will see as much rural as anywhere in town because
there aren't those 20 acre plots that developers grabbed in the past in stacked houses like San Diego, Los Angeles and certain areas. So, you know, north south of Okachchobee, there's areas north of Okachchobee. Um, Flamingo,
you know, it's a very uh dense road, relatively speaking, right? Flamingo isn't that the road that's got >> houses on each side. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you know, there are areas there's really I don't think that you know, you may see it because you drive B- road a lot and you're like, you know,
this doesn't look as rural to me as when I go north of Okchobee and see something, but there's pockets throughout the town. >> My house. >> All right. So, the next one, um, so we've got concepts and initiatives, right? We picked up, we kind of answered
both of those at the same time. Um, board priorities and requests to council. Well, these are all like the same answer. I think >> they're all kind of the same, aren't they? >> Yeah. >> So, you're talking about section three,
Robert. >> Get there. >> Community concept and initiative already. >> Did you have something else for three? Because we kind of I think we all kind of said our pillar and then how do we accomplish it? >> I do. What else did you have?
>> So, one of the examples that it's written here is community events. And during the last council member meetings in June 2nd, 2026,
last week, council member manage stood tried to talk about the possibility of seeking donations to fund the 20 year pounds anniversary. There was a lot of confusion and mert misinterpretation around that subject.
Um, even the Florida sunshine law was mentioned. I did my research and I found some information and I'm going to read this back to you. Florida's sunshine law does not prohibit
towns from accepting donations to fund community events. The open government statute primarily dictates that discussions among elected officials remain public rather than regulating how funds are raised. However, Florida
municipalities typically require formal donation policies to maintain transparency and prevent conflicts of interest. Many municipalities and regional groups accept donations to fund community events. in the Lxahachi Groves and Palm Beach
County area. You can directly contribute to our sponsor local festivities through established community networks. Again, I think that was a lot of misinterpret misinterpretation during that conversation when he was referring to making
donations to community events is different than oh we have a city manager that is accepting donations from such and such personally or oh we have our major that is accepting donations from personally. that is completely different
to what is actually explicit under the Florida Sunshine law. Um that does not prohibit towns from accepting donations to fund community events. >> No, there's there's no doubt that the town can accept donations. The town does
have an ordinance on the subject and says that donations of over I think it's $5,000 have to be approved by the the council. there is a mechanism to to do so. The issue that I think you're referring to um is not a sunshine issue.
It happens to be an ethics issue. Um and in Palm Beach County especially um the idea that anybody on council would go out and solicit donations is a very difficult subject. It's not that um you cannot as
a municipality accept them. The difficulty is being on council as you well know and going around and trying to solicit funds and being that lead if it as it were um fundraiser. That's
problematic from an ethics point of view um under our laws now in Palm Beach County. Thank you for making that clear and during that day that wasn't made clear and I think we can have a little bit more conversation
around community events and accepting donations and this is the perfect time since we are planning for the 20th year anniversary of the town.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> So section four, >> so section four is really um it's a request from the committee itself. Are there particular topics or particular initiatives that you feel as a committee
that you would like the council to know that should be on top of their priorities? you know, we have so many issues that we need to address in the ULDC, you know, and so the thought was, well, you determine maybe it's landscaping is number one, maybe parking
or maybe special events, whatever it is, that's what they're looking for is what do you feel they should be aware because they want your input to know what you think needs to be addressed. So, it's an up instead of a down >> from a planning and zoning perspective.
Are we supposed to be focused on that or just general whatever we think? I mean, is it kind of geared towards the committee's function? >> I think it's a twofer. >> Yeah, I do too. um in that if the committee
um or the board wants to to take a look at a particular issue um for example if you wanted to equestrian estates let's really flush that out make that happen this year um
that's the kind of thing that they're looking for from the um board standpoint then there is maybe individual or consensus items as to what the town should be doing in the way of um you
know uh more festivities whatever it happens to be that you think is important. >> All right. Who wants to start? >> I guess I'm starting. >> It's kind of a repeating. Yeah. Um so um
in respects to commercial developments um when I talk about the landscaping I want to strengthen that and make it blend more seamlessly into the environment um and less sterile looking uh
protecting as much tree canopy. And if the building has to be moved forward to protect the trees that are there and the building has to be moved forward. If they get less parking spaces, then they get less parking spaces. Uh the the the design
and the architecture, I guess, would go with this commercial development. Make sure it's rural, the rural Vista guidelines, so we don't have something that looks sterile and modern that wouldn't fit into our community. Um perfect example is the development, the
building across the street. that two-story building blends seamlessly into the environment around it and it was built that way. Uh the other thing uh conservation areas, we need to protect what we have in our conservation areas and if it ever comes and encourage
people to maybe uh provide conservation areas which I believe is a tax relief in the property appraiser. I'm not sure but maybe you know maybe just preserve our conservation areas um
open space the large lots the I don't want to see anything lower no lowering of densities no um giving the illusion of increasing extra living spaces that could inadvertently increase density maybe we
don't have that in mind but we do something so protecting our open space and our large lots and then protecting Um, oh, with the landscaping and that, uh, I want to see like the wildlife lighting, the lower lighting because that's environmentally friendly.
Um, and our canal networks, make sure that they work properly for our residents. I don't know if that repeated everything, but >> Okay, that's what I have.
Okay. So I have paving of the roads. We all know that this is critical to modern infrastruct structure. Some roads are paved and I think there's more paving to complete. I haven't heard any conversations about that. That's just
one. And then number two, um the last meeting again, council member meeting last week, they spoke, they talked about Tangin Drive, building a gate, making it private. So I have an
idea that I discussed with our council member Joe Stevens. We can start with more simple and reasonable and things that make sense first. Use truck wait and height
advisory signs instead of building a gate and make tangerine drive private. We need to try advisory measures first. The reinforcement of policing for compliance might be necessary.
I think this al this falls under planning and zoning as the road access and right of way is under discussion. Loahachi Grove residents should be able to enjoy the right of pathway to all roads without exception.
And again, I think we should try that first. Truck weight and height advisory signs before finally deciding in close enclosing and putting a gate on Tangerine Drive. >> Thank you.
um back to you know equestrian trail you know that's what I vote for I vote for them trying to rekindle that trying to figure out whether we can get some greenway money or some things in the state again and how we go about trying
to preserve that because I think that's big infrastructure to put more you know equestrian properties in the area which are large tracks and so and as far as the equestrian states go without having
um you know a written report on what they were trying to do because we had talked about that for two meetings and they were supposed to get more of an idea of what that meant. you know, whether it whether it did need some changes in in the current plan because
most of what they wanted was already in there except for the fact when there was a 20 acre parcel when it was multiple units like a five, a five, and a 10 trying to get rid of the easement so the person could put what they want where they needed to put all the houses in one
area and the barns in another area. That was the only thing that we were we were trying to do, but you said it could still be done in the current plan. So, if there's a way to outline it to make it maybe even maybe we don't have to have an equestrian estate thing. Maybe
we just have to have uh our zoning planning area that says if you're building an equestrian property and you have multiple units to put together, then we have a way to get around some of those, you know, restrictions. I don't
know, maybe they can apply for that and have an application to combine like we had talked about, you know, where they couldn't they couldn't move it apart afterwards and then sell it off. So I think the most important thing is, you know, again, roads are important. I
think, you know, maintenance of the roads. I think the roads have to be, you know, finished so that the town looks, you know, proper and um and then some areas where, you know, people can ride or be safe. And, you know, I vote for a community center, you know, riding area
or something where the kids could go and have that, but that's a huge amount of money and it's also insurance problems that you know, regulations can't be, right? So now >> now since you know all the lawsuits and
everything over kids falling and horses killing people and stuff you know by accident of course then it becomes a huge liability on the town. So back in the day we used to have over the posi grounds and all that stuff. It was fun for the kids to have a little little less expensive show area that they could
go to. I think that would be nice or a dog you know place where they could show and do agility or something like that would be good for our town. It's outdoor space. It would be fun. I think we could make some more, you know, things that get the kids outside and not on the
computers all day. It should be good. >> So, a community events area, not just equestrian. It could be, >> you know, this whole park we have over here could be, you know, could be turned into quite a good little spot for things. And we could have little events. You know, once a month we could have dog
agility thing there. Once a month we could have, you know, some kind of a little horsey thing. if even if it's a you know grooming championship or something and bring your horse all cleaned up and given ribbons or something just so the kids could get something to do. You know when I was a kid I used to go to a million horse
shows and I mean a class was $3, you know, to enter and I was there all day long for $25 and I went home with a whole car full of ribbons and had a great time. Today, you know, you got to have $500 to enter one class going down around the corner. So the kids that live
in this community >> maybe can't afford all that you know you know the other population there's a whole population of very wealthy people here with equestrian sport but there's also a lot of backyard kids with horses and cows and everything and I think we
could have more of like a almost like the for you know the fair we used to have 4 when I grew up and 4 had all kinds of things and you know you would go on the weekends and you would have you know take your cows and show them your pigs everything so we could start doing little kind of things like that and bring a little bit of money into the
town from that and have some events that the kids could go to. >> That would be fun. You know, I think we got away from all of that. Everybody's just kind of secluded, right? Everybody's kind of moved into their own little spot and trying to make ends meet
and that's it for you don't really know your neighbors even privately. >> So, it' be good. >> All right. Thank you. I uh also mentioned in my prior request, finish paving the grid so we can eliminate the grater and the operator and use the
tractor with the box blade for the dead end roads. We used to do that. It worked just fine on a low traffic deadend road that's has two four houses on it. You know, very little use. Um focus on canal
bank mowing schedule. Um, I know that's a a flexible subject. Doesn't grow in the winter. Grows like crazy this week. You can't keep a constant schedule year round because otherwise it's going to look like it does right now when you go
by these canals and you see they're two, three feet high the weeds. So, somehow we've got to uh understand that a little better and schedule for it cuz that's that's what people see in our town. And
as much as you want to be rural, trees, animals, um I don't think you want the sides of the roads overgrown. Yeah. Uh another thing was solidify long-term contract with PBSO. Uh that would be a
priority for me and um reduce staffing to minimum levels. Need to start talking about it because the tax base might change come November voting. So need to start
talking about it and understanding and trying to see uh where we can do uh what we need to do with less and uh always had a saying when I was up here. We uh
we would get done what we could afford. We weren't saying, "Oh, we want to do all this and then turn around and hit the tax base for the money so we could do it." It was like, "Okay, this is what we want to do. This is what we can afford to do now. Let's do it." And just chip away at it. It was eating the
elephant one bite at a time. Maybe that's not a good thing to say when we talk about our love of animals, but uh it's the the concept of there's a lot to do and uh just chip away at it a little bit at a time.
But um yeah, everything takes money and it seems like it's going to be harder and harder to come by, but you can still do a little bit at a time. You can't you don't just stop doing it because uh not as much money is there. You spend it
wisely. All right. Additional comments >> back to the site plan. Robert, >> back to what? >> She wanted a comment. Sorry. >> No, I I I missed that. I had something
else. Um when I was doing my research to prepare for this meeting, I thought about does the town has a mission and a vision. What is it? What do we stand for? What are the core values that we
share? And I went on the our website and I didn't see any. I called and I was referred to our city manager and Karim. She was so kind to reply. To my surprise, we don't have a defined
mission. We kind of have a a a vision, but we it would be nice to develop and talk about what is the town's mission and what is our vision
and implement it, have it posted in the website. Um because like I said, corporations and government agencies rely strongly on their mission and their
vision. Whenever we see employees going a little bit off the road of of the rail, you know, we pull them back and we say, "Hey, this is our mission. This is our vision. This is what we stand for."
It also helps define our culture and I think it would be a good idea to start defining who we are and develop a mission and a vision and have it stated
in the homepage in our website. >> I thought there was one on there. There's >> I thought so too. You know, I mean, that's that's reallying >> that that's that's really what we're talking about with this process, this
pillars and those kind of things. That's getting around to a strategic plan. Uh, we'll probably have a mission and a vision statement. >> When you were on that fall under section five, a great idea. Can I just ask one question? Um,
so we had talked about the code enforcement for all the things. >> Yes, remember we talked about the slaughterhouse and other things that >> I don't think we went further than >> I don't know if anybody committee I don't know if we got anything back and
then I didn't have any more meetings. I think >> was it a zoning issue that >> well we were wondering how they were doing business in the town and whether anybody was kind of taking a look at what was going on there. >> Well, >> we had talked about that one place on
the corner C road that's only open at night and God knows what they're doing there and what >> I think the council's already moving right now with the starting with Okchobee and being aggressive, right? Yep. >> They're starting there. I just want to make sure somebody is following up on all >> Oh, no. We've been in front of the
special magistrate on a number of cases. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we haven't had a slaughter house case yet, but >> we've had a number of We've had a number. >> We had >> I don't know what just go there and order. >> We have to go and they can cut it up for
you and pick it up if you like. So, I don't know what it is. We have to understand our lane as a committee here. You know, what we're tasked to to look at if there are individual issues, that's something that you'll know discuss with staff anytime.
We'll have to wait for a meeting. Okay, Jeff is here. Back to yes, item number. >> I was hoping that Karen had taken care of that. There's there's
>> wouldn't want you to miss the fun >> there. There's really not that much to it. Um if uh what it what it states or clarifies is
that if you're developing uh residential property of more than 20 acres, um you would have to go through the site planning process. there have not been many such projects. I don't I don't anticipate that there
will be many such projects. Um but that was something that the council wanted us to clarify. Um that if you're developing in excess of 20 acres of residential property um you need to come in for a
site plan. So the old language is development of up to four single family residents on adjacent plots and I guess that could be more than 20
acres. You know, you could have four 10acre residents. You got 40 acres. So I guess by adding the 20 acres in, it narrows this down hopefully is the goal. >> That was my confusion. I that's why I was hoping
>> Jeff uh for some explanation the underline because you have over 20 acres but then isn't the underlying section what's added in? >> That's correct. >> So but then you turn around your ordinance states residential developments over 20 acres and you're
talking about where is property consisting of more than 20 acre. And then you pull you go over to the section 1555 the mandatory site approval. Bottom of 11 go to bottom top of 12 it says approval uh modification required on any
and all developments. And then A says development of 20 acres or less. So we're we're saying all developments we have specific uh for 20 or more and then we have 20 or less. And I was trying to figure out
does it contradict or we just trying to make sure we cover everything? >> No. So >> I I didn't understand why it was all written like that. >> Well, it it's written it's written that way because it starts off as this is an exception. Um and there are except the
the prime exception to um uh development that does not require uh site plan approval was residential development of up to four acres I mean
up to four lots. Um so what you have typically in in the community is you go back to the old plat. The old plat had for the most part 20 acre um parcels, the tracks,
and uh the idea was uh that you could develop those tracks into um as many as four, five acre um lots and that was
fine. Um, and so this just reiterates that that that is the limitation. If you are developing more than 20 acres of residential property, then you're going to have to to get a site plan.
So, we start off and we say the idea is everything in town has to go through a site plan. Um and then there are these exceptions in A and B. Um and A is the principal um
exception. B is these are little minor things that can be handled administratively without the necessity of a a site plan. Um but uh what the council wanted to clarify is that well
if somebody came in with 40 acre track um and they wanted to develop it they should have a site plan >> regardless of the number of lots that they were >> I think it should be 10 acres no more than two houses
Just because I'm sorry, I can't sit around the corner. That's why you got to sit in the middle there. >> All right. Go ahead, Cassie. >> No, keep going. I'll wait till you're done. >> No, no, no, go ahead. >> No, I just what what you're saying is so the adding is it's always been 20 acres
or more. What is the benefit then to just I mean you already say approval of a site plan or site plan modification required to any and all development in our land. What is the benefit or advantage or disadvantage of having
the 20 acres or less articulating that that they don't need a site plan? Why not just require them all? What are we talking about with a site plan? Well, all right. Right now, you you have you have this exception that you can develop
four lots. Um, and that would be typically four fives is what we're we're thinking of and the 20. And we don't we're not able to limit that any further. For example, we can't say,
"Well, you can only develop two lots um without a site plan." Uh because right now we're under the conricts of um Senate Bill 180, which doesn't allow us to restrict things further. >> That's why this is a clarification
that it was always intended for the four lots to be limited to 20 acres. So, we're not taking away anything here. Um, and this is for the situation where somebody
wanted to develop 25 or 30 or 40 acres. Um, and in that circumstance, whether they're developing that into one, two, three, four, or six lots, um, then, uh, they still need to come in with a a site
plan. As I said, our experience with somebody coming in and trying to develop or subdivide u parcels larger than 20 acres has been very limited since the town has incorporated. Um, you
know, historically, if you look at the development of the um the area that is now encompassed within the town, other than the original um plat, the biggest subdivision I think
that we have, and Robert, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, is along 161st. 161st was an unrecorded uh plat
that has I don't know there's 80 lots or so in there something along those lines I think. Um and it stretches along a basically a two and a half three mile track of of road. Those are five acre
lots. Um and obviously that's the so in that sense it's the biggest development uh that uh we have in town. Um but since the town has incorporated um most of the residential development
has been uh subdividing the 10 into two fives or the 20 into uh you know 310 110 into fives or four fives whatever it happens to be. So it most of the residential development
um has fallen within this exception. Uh, but the council just wanted to reiterate, and this comes out of us talking about the plats and the fact that plats are no longer subject to council review. They're done administratively. They
wanted to make sure that we did not um lose that intent that they would be reviewing something. It's because the state law mandated that we do. So, >> we didn't have a choice. When does when does Senate Bill 180
sunset? >> Well, knock on wood or faux wood. Um because it's all tied to hurricanes. Um but if we don't have a storm in the
next year and a half, October >> October of 27th, >> and 180 means that we can't create a code more restrictive than the existing code. So, we couldn't change that from four houses on 20 to two houses on 10
because that's more restrictive. >> Yeah. All we're all we're doing is clarifying that four houses means 20 acres. >> And then if >> acres per house, >> and if you're developing something
larger, um, you know, more than 20 acres, then you're going to have to go through the site plan process. and the site plan process ends up coming in front of the the council. Um, and as a result of such action, you probably going to have to to
platt although we have not been universal with respect to to that historically. But >> so right now somebody I'm sorry, just one more thing. When somebody could develop 80 acres, as long as it's four
houses or less, they could essentially not have to do the site, >> but they would have to have a site plan for 80 acres. >> Yes, >> they would. If we put the 20 acres in there, >> well, >> right now, >> I think what we're saying is that's always been the intent.
>> The intent's always been 20 acres because >> 20 acres, >> four times 5 is 20. So yeah, >> that's the >> and the current of current we're not making it restricted because >> No, we're not making more restrictive. We're just clarifying >> clarifying it. Okay. >> And then basically clarifying the 20
acres are less then basically makes it R5. >> Yes. >> For single it's it's >> a way of clarifying and make sure so nobody finds a loophole. That's what I was I was having a hard time following this and researching it. That's what I was asking. benefits advantages.
>> Okay. Daily set sorry >> I want to ask that um let's say five acres the owner wants to split the lot >> they don't require >> you you you're not you're under the
current code you're not permitted to to do that the smallest lot that can be developed under the current code if you were to come in and say I want to subdivide property um you're limited to one unit per five
acres. Um and so so the the we do have a number of um smaller acreage developments and they are legal non-conforming plots. Nobody's going to stop you from building on uh those
parcels that were part of an unrecorded plat, you know, that happens to be, you know, uh was established as a 2 acre or 2 and 1/2 acre or even smaller uh development. um so long as the parcels were held at
that at the time of um let's actually prior to incorporation but I think we're using incorporation uh as uh as individual lots. Yeah. >> All right. Any more discussion? Any
public comment? Okay. Need a motion. Your your role is to uh make a recommendation to the council as to whether they should uh approve this ordinance, approve it with modification
or this is a terrible idea. What are you doing? No. But you're not the decider, but you are the recommenders. >> One more question. >> Y >> just and I just want a clarification. So the only way that they could go below
our RR5 is if it's a unre like it's a plot like we'll say Los Angeles has smaller lots. >> They could they could only >> they could go only what's the existing in that area. >> It is it is what exists at this point in
time. Like let's say on B road or C road where they have the bigger land, they couldn't go into two and a half acres. >> Yeah. If you got nine and a half acres, guess what? You got one house. You can't split it into five and four and a half
or four and three/4ers. And >> Okay. So this >> Yeah. And unless you gave up a half acre for a rightway >> in the past, >> you used to have 10. Yeah. >> Yeah. that it was originally 10 and you gave up the the half for a road or something like that, you could do it and
then do 4.75 or so. We would allow that. But, you know, the general in general um it is five acres that's all you can develop and you have to measure them out very carefully.
>> I make a motion to approve >> ordinance 20260. Okay. A motion by Cassie, second by Arlene. All those in favor I >> opposed. Hearing none. The motion passes 40. >> Thank you.
>> Thank comments. >> Yep. Lette, you're first. Just general comments if anybody has any general comments. Yes, I my thing. >> I respectfully wanted to say that this
is totally new experience for me. I might be new to the planning and sunning committee. However, I will do everything within my power to do research, read and understand the information, language, and semantics that define planning and zoning. I want to bring some kind of
value to the committee. I have the conviction of knowing that no idea or conversation is too small or too big to process. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Very nice, >> comments.
>> That's a first. I can think of something. You're moving to uh that's bad. >> All right, I'll wrap it up. As a new member on this committee, this this is where I started about eight years ago was on the BCB committees and uh it was
in it was interesting because we were when the commercial developers would come in any variances would have to go in front of the committee. And I think the same variances are still coming with the signs and the parking stops.
It's something that was never changed in the ULDC. And uh but my my response was always, okay, somebody created this rule for a reason. you know,
they're not here for me to understand the reason, but you know, unless circumstances changed, you know, from the time they created that rule or that ordinance, then, you know, I'm supporting the ordinances, you
know, that's that's just my personal opinion. But I know things do change and uh you're either moving forward or you're moving backwards. Nothing's sitting still, but uh thank you everybody. Get a
motion to our staff comments. Do we I don't see it on here, but confirming the next meeting date. >> None for me. Uh Karen might have something. >> Uh yeah. >> Um let me just ask chair, do you have sufficient information that you feel comfortable in presenting at the June
16th meeting >> with your notes? Yes. If if anybody I always tell go listen to the tape again. If anybody has anything in writing that they'd like to provide to us um if you could give it over to Gabby, she'll make she'll copy it and
we'll get that over to you, Robert. So you would have don't share it with anybody. Don't talk with anybody, but you'll have it for the base. >> Thank you so much. >> Yeah, you brought something up. You know, emails, conversations, don't if you get an email, don't reply to all. you get email
from staff, just reply to the staff. If you reply to all, then you're communicating something to the rest of the board members, you know, out of the sunshine. So, try to remember that. Um,
>> is our next >> next meeting date? Sorry. >> Next meeting date is July >> 14th. >> 14th. >> And just one last question, Karen. Um, so is Anita, we had talked about Anita providing u more information about the equestrian estate plan. Remember we had
talked about comparing it to another community. Are we still looking at that or are we tableabling all of that now that we have a whole new board? I I don't know where we're where are we with all of that. So again, this committee and has the ability to decide on, you
know, what you would like to discuss in conjunction with the town council. The town council hasn't indicated to stop discussion on the equestrian estates. Um so you know, my thought would be bringing it back. Again, we may have to start because you know, some some of the
members on the board weren't here. Um but you know, we'll try to bring back whatever information we have. I'll include the minutes on the discussion so we can include that information. Um I will talk with you know council member Kaine and see if she has some attachment
that we can somehow bring or whether she wants to come back to the board and talk with you again. And then we also talked about the name, you know, maybe not not using estate but trying to find a different solution for that being a little bit different, >> right? And again, you know, the more that you do some research, you know, and
you look into because again, you know, you have better ideas on what you feel a similar community might be like and that way you can bring that to the board overall. Look, if you send me materials before the agenda goes out, I'm happy to send it out with the agenda. um you know
so again if you have an idea of what you're thinking about and you know you have examples please please I'm very happy to to to share it with everybody. I just thought that that last the one meeting we had that um they they were going to do some trying to compare it to some other communities and maybe the
equestrian community is the right word and not estate. >> Right. >> And I'll go back and watch those meetings and they said I don't know if you saw them or not but if that comes on the agenda we'll learn a lot from watching the last meeting that we were here.
>> Yeah. I think that they need to at least um bring it before the council because the meetings be I am not one that just likes to say here's a box fill it with something what is the criteria there
needs to be something and we were all over the place and we had very legitimate concerns very legitimate questions >> and >> I think it bring if if it's something you guys want to review back. I think you need a little bit more criteria or
guideline from the current council of their thoughts of what they think because to me it was just too many open questions. It was a big empty box that we were told to fill and we're like what do we fill it with? What do we got? >> We didn't know. And it was to me my time
is very valuable and and even though I enjoy talking with you guys and for sometimes I like to sit quietly and just not do anything after a long day. and to sit there and try to figure out what to put in the box when I have had
no guidelines. I am I am a very guide oriented person. So I would I would suggest that you want to do that which is fine just we need a little bit more criteria and ask the counselor. >> I think my thoughts. >> So >> there you go.
>> I thought we had the criteria clear. Wasn't it because we lost the designation of being a rural town from the state >> and we're trying to regain do we lose the designation of being a rural
>> um yes with respect to uh certain funding but no I don't think that my recollection is that's not the genesis for the equestrian estates I think the idea behind the equestrian estates is um >> track
questions, >> but I but I think you're starting off with first of all what size of properties we're talking about. Um, and maybe that's where the discussion should be is, uh,
and I may be interjecting some of my own thoughts, and I'm not sure that I I don't want them credited to anybody else or uh, anything along those lines, but to me, it's like, let's talk about a 20 acre
um, piece of property. That's different than a 5 acre piece of property. our rules don't differentiate between the two. So, if I want to have a 20 acre um
large lot equestrian place or a ranch um if we don't want to use the term estate, an equestrian ranch, um and on that 20 acres, I want to develop the the 20 acres and I want to have a
big main house and I want to have a bunk house for my workers. Um, and I want to have a a smaller house for when my family, my adult children either come to
live um there on the property or visit on the property. I don't really want them in the big house anymore because they got their own things going on. But at 1,200 square feet, that's a two-bedroom condo.
um they've got two or three kids, so I want to be able to say they can have their 2500 square foot house. And oh, by the way, I need somebody to manage this place for me. Um, and so I'm going to have my
manager's house, and those people have a family, and I want to be able to have a 2500 foot house for them. And yeah, I want a little I want a pool house by my pool.
Okay, on 20 acres or more, I can say, yeah, that all can work and it doesn't increase the density of the overall town
or anything like that. And I don't want to have to cut it up into four five acre lots because I want to put one big nice pool in the in the middle and then have my horse paddics over here. Um, and I don't
want to have to go, well, the kids house is going to have to be on this 5 acre lot over here and it's going to have to have its setbacks and all those kind of things. I want to develop it as 20 acre piece. I think that's the kind of thing that was to be
considered or the the council wanted you to consider with respect to does that work? Does that make sense? Um, and it really comes down to and maybe wasn't that well defined because I don't
remember the complete discussion that we're talking about we're not talking about five or 10 acres. We're talking about bigger stuff that I want to develop as a unit. And if it's over 20 acres and it's 30
acres and I want to do that kind of stuff, I'm going to have to come in with a site plan even though it's one lot that I'm developing, but I want to have these various things on it. >> I get a different vision when you talk about that. When I hear estates, I'm
thinking 20 acres. I put a road down the middle. I have four >> You see the >> estate homes. Yeah. You know, so >> Yes. >> If I call it a ranch, >> I like what? Yeah. Ranch. I like that idea. The ranch. Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, >> the idea I think the idea was that is this the type of activity that is visioned for the town and if so, how do we help them get there other than them
trying to skirt around the code? I think that was the idea is that we want them we want to encourage it rather than having the different parcels because they can't have an extra home. I think that was the intent. I think how you get there was a
discussion for this board. You know, >> I think that was the issue that somebody was trying to develop a piece of property and they were having a lot of problems because they were trying to put, you know, they had to have the setbacks between each piece of land and yet they were just trying to build one center. So they we were trying to make
it more, you know, get an idea where people that want to move to this community can see that they can develop if they're going to develop a piece of property this big, they they have these abilities to put it like this and not have to follow the one house per five acre rule, right?
>> Which would be great. And also because the house could be a lot the second house could be larger. According to the original plan, it has to be tiny or it doesn't fit. And that doesn't work for a lot of these people that have a lot of money that want to move to the area that want to have a beautiful place for their
people to work and live. >> Yeah. So you could have like a residential compound that didn't interfere with the magnificent paddics and barns that are over there. compound or ranch sounds. >> You know, a
>> residential compound within the ranch >> within it could be an equestrian, >> you know, you don't have to have the word estate, but estate, I agree with you. Estate tells me a plotted, you know, the same similar house next door to each other and that's it. That's what
they do when they make a >> But you can also understand how that went ar you know the best laid plants, right? >> Yeah. Um and then we were like okay what happens you know today it's one thing >> but when the family gets a hold of it
because of deaths or whatever does it turn into something else if we just de facto density something so then we had all these other little things we had no guidelines >> we need better guidelines better criteria if that's what the council wants to >> and they do have to put in those those you know things that if like let's say
you know 15 years from now the family that's living there dies and the kids get it. They can't subdivide it and then let you know let people build more houses. >> Now they just had three houses on their 10 10 acres and then they're going to subdivide the 210 >> and that would just increase. No density. It would have to it we would
have to maintain >> those were all discussions that came up. But >> it would have to maintain that kind of thing and if the kids wanted to turn it into four fives we'll knock it all down. down because
>> that's that's the the and I and I don't want to I am never going to be able to do anything like that because I do not have uh enough money and even if I won the
lottery I wouldn't do that. But uh it is beyond what I would call regular people that are able to do this. And so when you go, well that would be ridiculous to knock things down. No, they go into Manalapan and they they take down a
perfectly good 15,000 square foot house and they knock it down. >> Every single day. Every single day. My job on Palm Beach, somebody sells an apartment that's just been remodeled and the next owner demolishes it and starts all over again. And all the stuff that
comes out of there goes home with Arlene. So when I move, I want to take my kitchen with me with me. >> They want anything. >> I love it. >> I know. You need toilets. Let me >> And and that's one of the things when you're talking about these kind of ranches or something like that, you have
to um you have to go, okay, it's not for me. >> Yeah. I'm I'm I'm looking to attract something else that I'm probably not going to be able to afford because I'm lucky to be in the five acre place and
having that as my castle in my ranch. >> Was there discussion about an equestrian overlay? >> Yes. >> Allowing didn't use the word overlay. Okay. We talked about the difference between having it change the whole zoning or just having >> we were all over the place.
>> I watched that meeting. >> All right. >> So, we need the criteria. >> I talked a lot in those meetings. >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. Oh, are we having the next meeting at >> July 14th? >> Same time. Y.
>> Oh gosh. This is tied into our code enforcement meetings now, isn't it? Oh, lordy. Long days. >> It doesn't matter. I mean, I I think you guys picked the second or the third. >> No, no, no. It It's I just This is This is me talking out loud out loud and
realizing, oh my gosh, I got two meetings on the thing. >> I'm not sure. I'm going to be out of town, but I think I'm going to be back that that morning. So, if I All right. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you.