The meeting is being recorded with AI companion and um we have uh the three members of the current APDC uh I don't believe we have any members of the public. Um no one's asked to be joined.
>> iPad one didn't join us today. >> What was that? >> No iPad one today. >> Yeah. No iPad one today. So, and since we're, you know, almost 10 minutes into it, I'm going to guess it's just going to be the three of us. Um, so there will
be no public com any comment from uh members of the committee. If not, uh we'll move into approving our meeting minutes. William, thank you for sending the meeting minutes. I have reviewed those. Nathan, you probably haven't um unless you were looking on your phone
earlier today. Um, and then I uh had just sent out the meeting minutes for um the October meeting. I I went did and and and corrected some of the things like I knew who was there so I added added the names
um and then made a couple other small edits. And I think that in the interest of the fact that we just got the meeting minutes for the November meeting and the October meeting, we'll vote on those uh meeting minutes in January, unless there's some uh strong desire to do that
tonight. But William, you and I are the only ones that have seen the November meetings, unless Nathan, you have you seen them by any chance? >> I mean, I saw them briefly when I was looking for the Zoom link for this meeting, but I didn't have a chance to read them. That was like 20 minutes ago.
I was, you know, getting started here. >> All right. So, so let's just we'll delay the vote on approval until uh till January. Um All right. So, current business uh at the top of the list is uh 50 M. We have
three items I want to talk about. 50 Main Street, the Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee update along with the master plan update. And um and then we'll have our closing comments and our next meeting will be um it says January 18th. I don't know why I think
that's the wrong date. Hold on. It's January 8th, not January 18th. I'm sorry. Got too many digits in there. Um, so, uh, Nathan, when we left the meeting, uh, in November, you were going to draft
a letter and invite, uh, the owner of the the office condo at 50 Main Street. Is >> I have not done that yet. I'll do that over the holidays. Okay. >> My bad. Yeah. >> Um, is Robert Bowen the is he the one of
the principles in that office condor? >> He's one of the condo owners. I don't know who the principal is. I don't know who manages the trust and whatnot. Um, you know, uh, so yes, it's going to have to go to boats, I think. I don't know.
>> Is that the same Robert Bone who's an attorney and the alternate town moderator? >> It, uh, he is uh, he is an attorney. And what was that about town moderator? >> He's uh, Tim Murphy's backup as time moderator. >> Yeah, that that's probably true. Yeah,
same probably the same Rob Bowen. Yep. >> All right. um t Robert Bone and Tim Murphy got into a bit of a technical discussion at special time meeting and and when I heard the name and I went back and looked at our files on 50 Main Street, I
thought that's the same guy. >> So yeah, so it is. >> Well, he should know better then. He's town moderator. He should make sure his one of his buildings or one of his properties is is in pristine condition. So it'll be interesting to have him come in and chat with us. All right. So,
let's move to the Is there any qu Do you have any questions about 50 Main Street, William? >> Nope. >> Okay, let's go to uh the two updates. Um the Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee has been meeting uh very
regularly and with great enthusiasm, and I think that um we're going to I think we're going to be successful this time around. Uh it's being well led by David Blat. Um, we have a couple new members from what had been uh the
previous committee. Um, we have Matthew Brener who's taken taken uh Matt Ellison's place representing the planning board. And we have um Laura Broski, I think that's how her name was pronounced, representing the
school committee. And of course, Brian is still on the committee, but he's not representing the select board. and Greg Roy, myself and uh uh Karen Mitis, I think that's her last name. She's um she
runs out the committee and Tom Gray from the finance committee. So, we've had some continuity, some new people, and we're make I think we're making great progress and we're we're focusing on um there's there's two big issues that we
haven't completely resolved. One is the issue of truly consolidating um the town staff, the town administrative functions that the town manager deals with on a regular basis. Everybody but
DPW and public safety forces that are spread out between Ritter and Town Hall. We're concentrating on putting all those elements together in the Ritter building. Um and then using town hall as the place where committees will meet and
the select board will meet and we're probably going to put pack on the second floor of town hall. So there'll be a a permanent you know day in dayout presence with the pack and then on the first floor we'll have places for the
meeting for the meetings to take place you know. So, um, that's the approach. We haven't completely resolved and agreed to as a committee that we're going to do that. Um, we still have a couple of committee members that are saying, well, you know, why don't we
still consider putting town administrative staff in town hall and not move everybody to Ritter so that we can minimize um, how much space we need at that new location. And that then prompts the next step of questions is uh
if we can't fit every everybody in at Ritter then do we and we want to have a consolidated town function should we consider a new building? Now I'd say five of the seven members of the uh committee are strongly in favor of not
doing a new building but we haven't completely ruled that out yet. And I think that that'll happen soon. I think those discussions about a new building and preserving Ritter and Town Hall are are very appropriate discussion items for us to talk about because they're
the, you know, the two most important and historic town administrative complex buildings that we have within the APD. And whatever happens to those two buildings, um, I think is of critical concern to preserving the, you know, the
architectural preservation district. Um so we are still dealing with the issue of do we consolidate everybody at Ritter if there's not enough space do we you know modify Ritter or do we build new so those are those are still kind of the
two issues at the top of the list one of the things that we have I think made great progress in is to concentrate on the 63 edition I've been calling it the 65 edition but according to what I've heard from others it was built in 1963
three is that rather than putting any new space uh on the opposite side of the rotor, if you're looking at the front of the building, the May town meeting project, the $22 million project had this very large addition to the right
and still maintain the footprint of the 1963 edition. What the committee has agreed to is that we're going to concentrate on the 63 edition and if there's going to be any new space requirements, they're going to be done
by modifying the 63 edition. There will be no massive new annex. And and what's been really interesting about those discussions is that the the light bulb turned on when everybody realized that it really
was a significant design difficulty to have three different levels at the you know at the Ritter. You got the entry level representing um the ground level going into the 63 addition and then you have the split level of the existing
gritter building where you step down into a lower level, you step up into this into the upper level. And everybody now has finally agreed that if we're going to fix that problem, we're going to fix it with an elevator someplace in the within the footprint of the 63
edition. And I think that's that's going to make the project um much less expensive and far more doable, which is one of the reasons why I think uh I'm hopeful that we're going to be successful this time around. Um we're we're going to be I think as a
committee we're going to be a little more frugal with how much uh space the staff gets. Um you know, we're going to use the GS. I'm I'm I'm pushing and I and so far no one has pushed back on not using the GSA standards for employee
space and um I think that's going to be the guiding uh you know principle for how big of an office you get and and if you know anything about the GSA standards those are pretty generous you know and and I think that uh you know we're going
to give the time manager maybe 200 that's the upper limit of GSA square footage is 200 square feet per person that the average level is 165 square feet per person. So if you're if you're an employee without managerial responsibilities, you're going to get
165. If you're the town manager, you're going to get 200 200 square foot. That's so that's the way we're heading. That's a direction that we're heading. And I think that um that Ritter footprint is pretty close to working with those types of numbers, but not completely. and and
and and since we're going to have to build space for an elevator, um we don't have currently have an elevator, it's going to be a little bit better. >> What's that thing that goes into the basement that >> that's that's a that's a chair lift. And and and nobody on the committee wants to
do a chair lift. And I think it's very inappropriate for us to do anything with this building and keep a chair lift. I mean, it's just Yeah, it's just not the way to go. >> Okay. and and and I think that while it in
some respects it always meets the ADA, no one wants to do that. They they want to have a first class elevator, not some cheesy chairlift. >> And the same thing will happen in town hall. We're going to get rid of the chairlift in town hall. There's also been agreement on that, which would be
important if we do put pack up on the second floor. So, um that's where we're headed. Um we're we're um we're meeting we've met regularly. We're taking a little bit of a we've been meeting basically about every two weeks, but we're not going to
do that in December. Um we'll pick that pace up in in January. So, any questions, William or Nathan? >> William, you go first, sir. >> Oh, no. No questions at this time.
>> Uh let's see. I don't know. So, I mean just in general like it sounds like a sounds like a good plan. I mean I guess one question I have I'm not totally familiar with like what the town what the town staff does
but I think so I like the idea I like the proposal you you've mentioned there like it sounds very economical. Um, I guess not being totally familiar with what the town staff does, you know, if there's an opportunity to streamline
workflow and like decrease paper and maybe get some of the staffing positions to be, you know, working remotely. If there's electronic, more electronics, less paper, you know, any paper getting handled by people by someone dedicated to be in the office
dealing with paper for multiple functions. So three departments don't need people in person to deal with paper. Like I, you know, any kind of solution like that that allows them to fit an existing footprint saves the town a ton of money. So I think that that's great.
>> That we have had conversations along those lines. Everybody on the committee is against paper. >> Gotcha. You know, we have we have if you've been at TC Pasios, you will be overwhelmed with the two classrooms that have boxes upon boxes
upon boxes of records. And I'm going to guess that, you know, retrieving any particular piece of information out of those boxes is going to be a mighty challenge. and but everybody on the committee has been strongly supportive
of telling staff it's time to get into the 21st century and not keep paper you know so that that has and you know we've talked a little bit about that with the town manager and and there are certain legal requirement of of the one
office function one the one town administrative function that still has to deal with paper it's the town clerk >> of course y >> yeah you know and and I think that um you know the the state of Massachusetts does a fantastic job of retaining and and presenting information on its
records digitally on the website. Mass.gov is a fantastic website. Just as one example, um when I when I first got involved in this and I was looking at what PAC does and how they get funded, I actually found the town of Lunberg's
agreement with Comcast on the Massachusetts uh state government website. by just typing in Lunberg cable TV contract and boom it showed up which was pretty amazing that you know that they're keeping that kind of records. So
if the state can do that, hopefully the town clerk can figure out how to do that. >> Right. So I guess the question is Anthony, does is that going to allow for us to allow, you know, convert some of the um some of the, you know, inoff positions to be possibly remote
positions. I don't know. >> I I agree with that, Nathan, but we haven't we haven't taken that bold step yet. I think, you know, one of the things that's going to happen in in January is that we're going to sit down with all the town departments that
there's gonna there was a small subcommittee of the Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee, uh, subcommittee of three, myself, Matt Brener, and Laura, and we're going to sit down with the the tenant staff and say, you know, here's the assessor's department. We have a chief assessor,
and we have one employee. So you get, you know, 200 plus 165 or 365 square ft. And here's where we think that that footprint would be within the Ritter complex, >> right? >> You know, so so you know, like at I
think at that point in time, it would be fair game for us to say and you know, to the to the chief assessor, you know, do you think that someone should be remote? You know, and >> I don't think they'll complain about that, honestly. I mean,
>> I I I don't either, Nathan. >> Yeah. So, I mean, you can think about in terms of saving the the savings from just saving you you get a few positions like two or three positions like that and you don't have to do uh any expansion, you know what I mean? Like, and think about how much that saves, you
know? So, >> it's huge. It's huge. >> Yeah, it is huge. >> All right. Good. Yeah. The only other comment I have, uh, Anthony, is um, so I think I think that's great. I and it's um thanks for sharing those changes and it sounds like some constructive changes
overall there. Um I guess municipal building design committee I would like their help. We did we did as a committee take a vote uh with and we moved forward and we got the town meeting to take a vote on the Brooks House article. uh
which you know I think is I don't I mean not to be too too annoying sounding but it's kind of like in delinquency right now as far as like what this leg border is supposed to do I'm not trying to beat them up but it's just like that's still out there. I
haven't forgotten about it. I don't think our vote has changed. I mean unless you got I mean I I so long and the short of it is I would like to to to get you know the select board's busy. Let's put some additional oomphs behind that by getting that included in
whatever the MSBC that is an MSBC issue. Let's make sure that's part of their plan as well. That was the will of the town. >> Um unfortunately Dave Blad has already said he ain't looking at the Brooks house as part of his charge and he does and he doesn't think that select board asked him to do that. And I completely
agree that that the Brooks issue has, you know, fallen off the uh, you know, it's fallen off everybody's radar scope. And >> it's falling off my radar. It's falling off the select, let's be very clear, it's fallen off the select board's radar. Um, it's it hasn't fallen off my radar. I don't know if you're saying if
you're saying it's fallen off your radar. >> Yeah, we >> it hasn't. In fact, that's a segue into the master plan steering committee discussion that I wanted to have. >> The Okay. Um, so the Brooks House has been a large part of that conversation for the master
plan steering committee. In fact, we had may what may have been our last master plan steering committee meeting last night. We had a three-hour meeting and uh we're wrapping things up. There will be um a draft final coming from the consultant just before the holidays, we
think. And then um the the plan will be shipped to the planning board for their final review and approval. According to the town charter and all the regulations and and the state laws that deal with master plans, planning boards approve
master plans for towns. Um, not to select board. It's not done at a special town meeting or an annual town meeting. Uh, this is the process. Now, I think that there needs to be, you know, a a uh a lot of discussion once the plan's approved by the planning board, and
maybe there's more presentations at annual time meeting about the plan in the spring. But, and during our three-hour meeting, the Brooks House came up multiple times. And um I think and I in fact what I said
last night was I said see this is an example of you know you know we're talking about something where there was already a ton vote that says to sell or lease the Brooks house I says and that needs to be followed through until
someone says collectively like at a town meeting whether it be annual time meeting or special town meeting we're not going to sell or lease you know the the Brooks House because that's what the town voted on the last time this discussion came up formally.
>> Absolutely. >> And and I got push back, you know, from one from our select board representative who thinks that who thinks that the Brooks House, you know, should be demolished as does our library representative. And I keep telling them,
you know, you can have that opinion, but that's not what the town voted on, you know. So, unless So, if you want to change the approach, then there has to be a pitch made at town meeting. Yeah. >> About the books. >> So, I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to I would like to My motion is I
would like to represent I would like to represent our the APDC uh before the select board. I'll see if I can get on their agenda. It'll probably won't be till January to sort of uh discuss that issue and get this
select board to take the action that town meeting, whatever you want to call it, instructed or requested, depending on how you interpret it. Uh and uh get them on the record on that at a
select board meeting. >> I I I you make the motion. I'll second that. Uh any discussion from you, William? >> No. Sounds good. >> Okay. So, I'll call for a vote. Uh we have to do a roll call vote because this is Zoom only. Um all those in favor of
having Nathan make a an inquiry and a presentation about uh the status of the Brooks House. Uh the motion that he made, all those in favor say I. William. >> I. >> Nathan, >> I >> and I for myself. Um I think I think
it's uh you know it it has completely disappeared from from the select board's uh radar. Now you know one of the things that we that Dave Blat did do Dave Blat did ask the committee to tour the Brooks house and this was when we were just
debating whether or not the ACE the ACE program would go into the books. just like one of the this happened uh maybe the second meeting that we had and after everybody tooured it everybody said you know that place isn't in bad shape at all and you know there was there was concerns by uh you know building
committee design members about you know having a public uh a private entity in a public building or a public space like that and I says you know those are issues that you just work out with an agreement and Dave completely agreed with that but he also said that's not my
charge I was charged by a select board to deal with town administrative functions. We're not putting town administrative functions in the Brooks House, but I think it's a building that could be used and and then that's how it was left. So, and I will bring this back up at our next meeting in January to
say, you know, that the APDC still concerned about the U about the Brooks House. And while I you know, I do agree with Dave that it wasn't part of the charge, it should be something handled separately. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm fine with
that. That's your That's the uh MSBC's decision. Um it was part of their remit in prior incarnation. >> Yeah, it was. That's exactly right. It was. And it was poorly handled. I'll tell you that. >> No, no, I get it. So, I'm I'm fine with
them kind of washing their hands of it. So, thank you for the vote and I'll I'll just bring it up with Blackboard and we'll go from there. That's >> Yep. Keep us posted as to when you'll be on on on the agenda. >> Okay. I I'll I'll let you know. >> Okay. All right. Um and then the only other thing about the master plan update
is um I I think it's a great document. Um I think there's a couple things that the document uh does. It it sets the stage for a discussion on a bunch of really important issues that um should
be discussed by the various boards, commissions, and committees of the town of Lunenburgg. probably the the stickiest piece of the plan as we move forward for the next 10 years. This is a 10-year plan. That's what the that's how it's been designed. This is what what's Lunenburgg going to be like in 2035.
And uh the probably the stickiest piece has been housing, you know, because there's such pressure being placed by the state on creating more housing because they have this perception that people are leaving Massachusetts because
they can't find a house. They they're leaving Massachusetts because the general cost of living is so high. >> Well, afford a house. >> Yeah, it's more than the house. That's exactly right. But that's how the states, you know, the state has done, the state has stripped local zoning
control away on several really traditionally important zoning issues related to housing from towns and cities in the state of Massachusetts. And and that is probably this the most
difficult piece for the master plan to have dealt with. and um you know but it but it has you know things in there that says this is how the town should look at this issue of affordable housing and you
know it it might create um it's going to move the town off of you got to have five acres to have you know a house or whatever the the land mass is right now you got to have 50 foot of uh individual frontage for every z every uh house
that's built on a on uh public highway. I think that, you know, there's going to be different types of housing in Lunberg 10 years from now. Now, what it is, I don't know how it's all going to play out, but at least we've set the stage for those discussions. And the planning board will
lead the bulk of that. You know, they're the ones who sit down with developers and tell them where they can and can't build houses and how many houses they can build and how many acres they have. um the uh the the the nice to have
things, you know, like the town like to see the, you know, the town center get, you know, nicer to be more vital. Um the other thing that cames that's going to come out of the plan loud and clear is we want we want Lunenburgg to still be a farm community, to be a rural community.
I mean, I think that uh that's that comes out in several pieces of the plan. So I think that uh you know there's always people who can be naysayers and say oh you know it's just a wish list nothing nothing's going to happen but I think uh we're going to create an implementation committee I think that's
one of the things that will come out of the plan um we've put priority projects we've identified priority projects and uh this is a piece that I have been really pushing for and I hope that when the plan is is finally published it's
going to say the town has four priority projects that need to get done in this 10-year plan cycle. Town administrative functions, you know, i.e. Town Hall, Ritter, Turkey Hill, um, and Marshall Park.
And then, um, we got to look at probably TC Pacios. Now, the four buildings were Town Hall, Ritter, Turkey Hill, and Marshall Park. And but every time we talk about talent administrative functions, TC Pacios comes up, you know.
So I think that in the next 10 years, we need to deal we need to do something with those and that and that's what the projects I'm not going to say which one comes first because I think that's something that only the town can vote can vote on and decide, you know, at a special time meeting or an annual time
meeting. But I don't think we're going to see any wild cards in terms of like we're not going to see a new addition added to the to uh you know the the fire department or a new fire station to the fire department you know a substation
for the fire department. I don't think we're going to see um you know there's been a lot of discussion about the more athletic fields on like on Northfield or 60 acres of land off of Northfield. I don't think we're going to see that. I
think I think Marshall Park is going to be uh they're all going to be hard to sell to the town, but I think if we say to the tenant at meetings, here are the four projects, you know, which ones do you want to do? And I think that we the the sponsors or the proponents have to
make the case to get these things sold. Now, the other thing that I' that we're going to include in the in the u the master plan is the analysis on the town's excluded debt. In fact, one of the things that's really become clear because the town is paying down its
major capital projects from 2004 through the current time is that we really ought to be taking on some more debt because we have these needs and we have the capacity to pay for them. and
you know to have the capacity to pay for them without monstrous tax increases because you're lowering the you know the excluded debt levels because time has passed. You know, it just seems like, you know, why would you put employees,
you know, that work for the ton in substandard space and constantly have vacancies when you know that you can afford to have better office space and not have those inefficiencies associated with with town functions, you know. So,
th those those uh those things are going to be in the master plan. We're going to include the analysis of of excluded debt so that people can see in one spot what our debt level is and how it's declining and and how should we handle that that
uh declination and excluded debt. So that's where we are with master plan. Um I I got to give Kim Duffy credit. Last night we had a three-hour meeting which she led and I'll tell you she there's
only one other person I know that's as good with spreadsheets as Kim Duffy and that's my daughter and I could say that but she works for Microsoft and she really knows Excel spreadsheets but Kim Duffy has done a ma magnificent job of managing the work of the master plan
steering committee and had she not come along when that committee had not met for almost a year this whole process would have been a waste of $145,000 for the time. She really turned that process around. So, okay, that's all I got and then uh any comments and then
we'll go to closing comments and then we'll join the meeting. >> I I had a question. >> Okay. >> Um when they were talking about the affordable housing, has there been any talk in the town about pushing back against the state regulations like some of the other towns in Massachusetts?
>> There has been, William. And um what the what the town is trying to do first of all there's been multiple the only way that that's going to change is not through the courts because the courts have is the courts have already said
that the state legislature had the authority to do what they're doing and it went up to the Massachusetts Supreme Court initially a couple times said we're not doing this and you got to still give us our money and uh the They brought that to the sup state supreme
court and the court said, "You're right. The cons are right because you guys didn't do this notification. You didn't do this notification." And then the state legislature went back and fixed that issue. And the end result is that if you if you say we're not going to
comply with this, you don't get any state funding. You don't get state highway grant monies. You know, you don't get school funding. It it becomes draconian in terms of the response. The only way that this gets fixed is through
the political process of changing state legislators and having new state legislators write a new state law like the MBTA, the Massachusetts uh the MBTA communities act which is driving so much so much of this usurpion of local local
zoning control. That's a that was a political decision made by you know legislators and the only way that's changing is either for new legislators or the legislators who voted for it to go back and amend the law. >> Gotcha. Yeah. There was a lot of
discussion. Yeah. >> Yeah. I hadn't heard that they went back and fixed that. I did hear that the there were certain towns that were able to get by, you know, the enforcement by by the way they pushed it out. >> I hadn't heard that they fixed that. So they did. That answers my question.
>> Yeah, they did. Now, you know, I gota I got to give the planning board credit. The pl the planning board is has been fairly there's a uh an area called Tritown um in Lunenburgg. I'm not sure if you've ever been over there. There's a bunch of m you know multifamily
housing in Tritown. It's office. If you go up Summer Street and you make a you get on to Young Street, that's where Triton is. And you know, it's right on the right on the border between Fitsburg and Lunenburgg. And if you didn't know
where the border was, you would think that you were in Fitsburg, you know. So, the Ten the Ten did a great job of allowing that housing. and they're taking credit for that for some of the multifamily housing that's required under the MBTA communities act.
Now, fortunately, we don't have any MBA MBTA rail lines in Lunberg because if we did, the requirements for housing would be significantly different. And >> we're just an uh adjacent
>> Yeah. >> adjacent requirement. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so it's it has been it has been, you know, it was a big discussion item has been a big discussion item for the planning board and it was a big discussion item in the master plan steering committee
discussions. Anything else? >> Uh the only thing I'll put on on record for this Yeah. is uh with both the Turkey Hill and Marshall Park projects. Um if
they do want to if that say for Marshall Park for example, I think if that one ends up being the top on the top one on the list, >> if that could come with some sort of continuation of the town sidewalks down past Marshall Park,
>> you know what, that's already underway. >> Is it? >> Yeah. Um, I I went one of the things that I wanted to do is to make sure I knew what the big capital projects were for the town. So, I talked to the fire chief. He's the one that said, "Well, maybe sometime in the future we might have a substation requirement for, you
know, response times." >> That would be big. >> That would be big. That That's big. Not because of the building. That's big because now you got to pay for >> four new shifts of firemen to man that station. The building is the small part of that cost. It's the labor that's the
big part of that cost. But so I went to to uh Bill Bernard who's the DPW chief and I says, "Hey, Bill, you got any big capital projects?" And we started talking about culverts and things like that. But he gets state money to do that. You know, once again, going back to your comment about can we fight this?
You you fight the fight the state on their housing issues. Bill Bernard doesn't have any money to do culverts. But >> but then we started talking about sidewalks because that's that has been a big part then and sidewalks are in the master plan uh language and he told me
that uh he's working on a current project right now. He has a designer working on a project for for um sidewalks from Marshall Park up to Main Street. >> Okay. On 2A. >> Yeah. Yeah. From 2A. Yeah. >> Okay. Cool. That's awesome. That's
awesome. Now, I don't I don't know whether that'll happen, William, because he also said Denny, he says, "This is really expensive." Now, the good part is we talked about right away, and I I don't think he has to buy any right away. You know, I think he the Well, it looks like somebody's front yard, it's
actually owned by the town. >> Yeah, >> that's always there's always that couple feet. >> Yeah. >> Buffer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because I was curious is if they're going to throw money into Marshall Park giving the kids a safe avenue to get there. Uh like I know
during baseball and softball season >> they walk you know not down 2A they walk down you know Highland to Chestnut. >> Yeah. >> And there's no sidewalk. So there, you know, 30 kids all with backpacks and baseball bats and um just walking on the
side of the road. Um, so if if we're going to try and increase usage of it to increase the ability to get there, it would be nice, too. >> I think I think that's why he took the project forward is that yeah, he's thinking that Marshall Park is going to get improved and he want and I think he
wants the town to be prepared to let people get there safely. You know, we have sidewalks from the from the middle high school, you know, to Highland and that's where it stops and and then you're like you say, you know, you walk Highland Chestnut, you're on the street
and in some pieces >> Yeah. It stops right in my mailbox. >> I know. >> My mailbox is the cut line. >> Yeah. In some some pieces, I mean, it's You're right. You the only place you have to walk is in the road. There's no there's no sidewalk or no, you know, BM
to kind of go on. >> Yeah. And then, you know, when when they go into that that baseball softball season when they have those games on that chestnut side of Marshall Park that I mean, Chestnut just turns into a parking lot and yeah, you know, you have
kids popping out and >> uh I just think if they're going to be pushing uh anything to that, they they need to kind of shore up the the means to get there. >> Yeah. as part of it. >> You're you're I You're right out on the money. And I And Bill's been I think he's wisely anticipating that.
>> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> That's all I had though. >> Okay. All right. Nathan, you got anything? >> No, I'm all set. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh is our next meeting would be the 8th of January? Um is there a motion to adjourn? >> Motion to adjurnn.
>> I'll second. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. And we'll do a roll call. William >> I. Nathan, >> hi. >> And I for myself. Okay, so we uh we're finished. Um everybody have a great holiday season and uh we'll see you in
January. >> All right. Happy holidays. All right. Thank you.