Okay. Uh it's July 10th and 7:3 and we're getting ready to start our um APDC meeting. Um we will be uh starting here with our normal
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may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by the open meeting law. So um there is no members of the public with us this evening. Uh Nathan, thank you for
joining us. Yeah, sorry. That's all right. And um we have uh our 12 June meeting minutes to approve. Um I have a couple questions. Uh, I looked at the meeting minutes and the one thing that I noticed
was under the Jones House it says hidings house sighting replacement plan to replace with like cider. I don't think cedar. Um, but I thought we were talking about them using hardy plank or hardy board. Can anybody remember that?
Was it cedar that she was planning on using? I think maybe it was sedar. Yeah, I think what does it say now? It says says uh it says cider which I know that's not um I can go back and watch. Okay. So that was my one note. The other
one is on uh on uh under current business to um item 44. It says motion to approve by member uh McGrath. You have his name is spelled.
And then the last item that I had on the minutes was um the in your report, Richard, you said um was it the Boston Historical Commission? Uh this is under the Boston Post came to the oldest member of the town. So there's there's
the item. Is that correct? Was it the Boston Historical Commission that started that? [Music] I don't know. Runberg Historical Commission. Um
uh the Lenberg Historical Commission is uh instituting the um Boston Post Cane program which is given to the oldest
member of town and then when that person passes on it's passed on to the next uh person. We are purchasing a replica cane because the um the original cane is valuable so it's
kept in a case. Um so um we're we're purchasing a replica cane historical commission so that um that can actually be given. Right now they just get a pen and we can think that's kind of cheesy.
We wanted them to actually have it change. Gotcha. So just the Lunberg. Yeah. So send that back up to him. And those those are the only meeting minute changes that I had noted. [Music] [Music]
We go to accept that there's three small corrections. Uh so uh Richard McGrath has moved. Is there a second? Second. Wait a second. Um all those in favor of approving the meeting minutes with those
three noted changes, please say I. I. I um and any opposed? No. So, we're moving on. Um wasn't a correspondence. Um so, I had three items that I wanted to chat with you all about tonight. And they had
been old business, but I kind of moved it back up to current business. Um the historical commission APDC merger, nothing is happening. And uh you know, I'd met with town council. Um, I did a follow-up email
with town council. I did a follow-up email with town council and the uh the town manager. Um, I followed up again yesterday because I had not heard from either town council or from the town manager.
And um my most recent note to the uh to the time manager was that, you know, we're going to we're going to slip by the special time meeting if something doesn't happen. And what I wanted to get
from you all was um the idea that perhaps we do this as a citizen petition that we write the bylaw language the way we want it to read and that we proceed with this as a citizen petition rather than something that goes through the
town manager and the select board because at the rate we're going nothing is going to happen in time for special time meeting. So, any thoughts, comments? Uh, Nathan, you kind of had the the the the original drafter of the
language that, you know, went before the interim town manager and uh Oh, no. Wait, wait, no, no, I was not. I didn't. I thought I thought you did. Maybe not. No. Um, was it wasn't you? I I I maybe it
was a combination of all three of us and but I think that what we actually had seen came from Curt Perzini as the interim town manager that you we had we had made you Richard and I had made a presentation to the select board. Richard representing the
historical commission, right? Myself representing APDC and from that conversation, I think maybe it was just Carter who drafted the language, which I thought was exceptionally confusing. So, you know, like I still think this is
something that should be done in steps. And the first step is to say that that the historic commission replaces the APDC to manage the architectural preservation
district by law. And then we can, you know, work out the nuances as to how, you know, two commissions collapse to one with some members becoming part of the historic commission when vacancies exist, so on and so forth. I think
that's relatively easy to do. and you know so but I wanted to know what's what is your preference because at the rate we're going nothing is happening so let me make sure so just want to make sure I understand the current situation so you're working with the town manager
right now well I had met with town council before our uh June meeting and said you know based on the fact that we didn't make any presentation at special time meeting and We didn't
make any presentation at Ton at the annual town meeting in May that the the plan was is that he town council had been directed to work with us to come up with a warrant for the special town meeting. And he agreed with that when I
met with him. He says yes that's true but nothing has taken place since that meeting. And he was to report to the town manager in June that I had been there. Now the note that I got from time manager yesterday says that she has a
number of items that dazzle owes her this being one of them but she didn't indicate to me as to what the status was. The other issue came up was um a member of the community
related to one of the people in the room um you know had sent an email to everybody us um the select board saying this action should not take place. It should be something that's discussed by the bylaw charter committee, the bylaw
review committee and which meets once every five years and this is one of the years they meet either meet on a zero year or they meet on a year that ends in five. So um and I actually raised that issue with vot council saying hey find
out are they meeting now? No they have not they have not addressed the issue that was presented. No, I mean is the bylaw review committee formed in a meeting? No, it's in the process of being formed. Okay. But it hasn't been formed yet. I I don't
believe select board has appointed members. Um the time moderator gets also gets I think he gets to appoint two members too. So, you know, you like we can sit back here and just keep pushing town manager and town council, you know, to give us the
feedback to do the drafting or we can do that on our own. So, will the bylaw review committee get support from the town council? I don't know. To do their work? I don't know. So, are they So, it is what we're in
July now. Yeah. So, is there a possibility they're just not going to form the bylaw review committee or I don't know. Okay. I mean, that that might not be a terrible direct way to go like that would this is this is a the kind of
scale that would merit that type of thing. Um, I'm not saying that's the only way it could be done, but uh it's not a terrible idea, but of course it's sort of dependent on that by the review committee existing. If they don't, let's say they don't do it this year, will
they do it next year instead or will they just wait until 2030? I don't know. A long time to wait. It would be a long time to wait. Yeah. Um I I think they will form the committee, you know. Okay. Well, I would I think I would maybe if that's the fe Yeah, maybe I
think you should try maybe try to get five minutes of facetime with the town manager and I would suggest be open to going that road if they are in fact or the committee. Okay, that's a good what's the bylaw review committee
purpose in relation to the commissions? It's to look at all of the town bylaws and see if there's any changes required. That's my understanding of uh so they would be looking at the bylaw
forming the APC. They would be looking at this issue of a merger. It's sort of like a charter review committee if I understand it correctly. Yeah. I like I I had just arrived when in 2020 and this is kind of like my
first right you know exposure to the bylaw review committee. So basically it's a commissioned review of town's bylaws where they can get input about you know from different committees
or or members of the public around where they should be focusing. So they would be talking about the APDC and not the historical commission because the historical commission is a state charter. Is that right? Um I how does it f So is it is the
historical commission not mentioned at all in our bylaws? It's it's state chartered. So it's not so do so it so the historic function is there there's no modifications. So what we're proposing is a modification to the
functioning the historical commission as chart. No, as a modification to the functioning of the APDC. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I guess they would be looking at that then if that's that I'm assuming that's what the changes were that were drafted before. Yeah, that's what they would be looking at. I think that's correct.
So pursue the town manager to say hey you know what's going on face to face. have done this by phone and email. And then um if we don't get a response to say is
this going to go before the bylaw and if so what's the schedule for the bylaw committee like are they going to make any recommendations at the special time meeting or are they going to wait till you know the meeting in May 2026.
So, does that sound like a plan that we I just wanted to keep you up to date to say ain't nothing happening, right? I mean, yeah, it sounds like, you know, I mean, this I think I think that's a good next step. I
mean, I think we should be ready for the fact that we may not be able to do this until May. Okay. Um, but I think this is I definitely think we should be having this kind conversation with the account manager now. Yeah.
To see if I I think there there are some advantages to going through that process. Although there might be some obstacles too. Like I I think going through that process will depend on that committee agreeing that this is a priority for
their agenda. Um, so it might take a while to figure this out. So, but we should be able to figure out before the end of the year of committee forms. So, um yeah, right. It's a good way to go. Do you know how many people are on the
committee? Five. All right. I think the select board approached three and the time moderator approached it. I believe that's what I I've read. The output of that is just a suggestion. Well, they'll turn into warrants. It
will turn into war. Yes. Which might does that in the those changes do they pass with a town meeting vote or is that a twothird vote and a vote of the voters? I don't know the mechanics of that. Okay. I'll find out. I'm just curious.
Yeah. You know, I was just curious if it's a a good idea thing like it ends up on a list. Yeah. Maybe you still have to take action or if it does force the hand of a I think I think it goes back as recommendations to the select board. Okay. And then they turn it into a warrant. And then they turn it into a warrant
article. But it's it tends to have some when it comes from the has some weight to it. Has some weight to it. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, I'll I'll pursue that that line with the person with the time manager to see when they're actually going to do the
She's overwhelmed right now. You know, she's had like two administrative assistants leave her within two months. Oh. You know, I saw it just popped up three days ago for a new one. Yeah. Ann Aubrey left and then u uh Logan Okonnell who was the planning
board administrative assistant he went over to take that job and the end left and then he left he went to work for open gov.com. Yeah. So, so we're in and and at the uh not at the meeting that they had Tuesday night, but at the one July meeting, uh
she was contemplating hiring um a contract administrative assistant, but she recommended to the select board at that meeting that based on the costs of that was going to be $80 an hour to hire a contract administrator administrative assistant. She says, "I don't want to do
that. That's too much money." which I think was a mistake, but that's that's the select board and her to discuss. So, but she's overwhelmed. I mean, it's pretty clear that she's got a lot to do. All right. So, I'll I'll try and do a I know one way to have face to face is
actually come to town that hall and walk upstairs and say, "I'm here." So, we'll see how that works. All right. So, um if nothing else about that item, we'll move on to the next agenda item on current business. Anything else? Good. Um,
Richard, how much money of the APDC budget do you think Ezekiel applied to the Hometown Heroes program? Do you know? Um, all of it as far as I know. Right. That was the intention. Good. So, I should check back. What a
Y. So, what money we had left from fiscal year 20 has been applied to um the Hometown Heros program. All right. Um the next item is any other you'll check into it. Y
anything else about that? Um the next item under the the Lunberg municipal building project and I wanted to see your support for a proposal that I'd like to make. Um, I believe that the Lunberg Municipal Building uh design
committee is going to meet with the select board next week on the the hold on the right day time. I said I'll be speaking out of turn
on the 15th and give a report and seek a charge from the select board as to what to do next. And one of the things that I want to do is uh seek by way of a vote um a
recommendation from the ABDC that we have formal representation on the Lunberg municipal building design project since we have um we've been looking at two of the town's most historic structures actually three because the Brooks House
was also part of this discussion. I think that um that there is um you know good reasons for us to be on the committee. You know I participated but not as a member of the committee and I never counted for quorum which was a bit
of a frustrating item because had they counted me as a member of the committee we would have had not missed hardly any meetings you know because we would have been able to make quum. So, I'm seeking a motion to uh pass back to the select
board because I'm planning on joining the Lun Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee next Tuesday. If I'm not there as an official representative of the committee, which I may not be, um I'm going to make a public comment under
the comment section from, you know, comments from boards and commissions. It says this the APDC has voted to re that the select board will place a member of the ABDC commission ABDC on the Lenberg
Municipal Building Design Committee. Who is um this who's in charge of that commission now? Has it been determined? Okay. Since Michael Ray left, um, David Blat, who was the, uh, vice chair of the LMD PDC, um, he's kind of picked up the
charge and he actually convened a meeting, um, and then, uh, based on those conversations which were held by uh, commission members that we would go back to the select board and say, what do you want us to do next? So, he's he's
taken the the the task of getting this meeting scheduled with the select board. Now, I've sent him an email asking him to confirm that the meeting is going to be held. I've not received a response back from them. So, I'll monitor the agenda and if it's on the agenda, I plan
on attending that meeting. So, I I would like to seek a motion if um we'll have to do that. I got motion to recommend the select board to appoint a member of the APDC to the municipal building design committee.
Is there a second? Second. Is there any further discussion? Uh so just want to make sure I understand the motion. Uh the motion is for the select board to appoint one of our members that committee for this. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. All those in favor say I. I. I. I. Okay. So, all have uh agreed with that recommendation. Um I'm not sure what's going to happen with regards to the committee. Um I've had
conversations with members of the select board and uh I think that there's and I've had conversations with the time manager. I think everybody wants something to happen in the way of improving how the town's administrative
functions are housed. Uh I've had conversations with members of the school committee about the Brooks House and you know there was a lot of there's a lot of interest in the Brooks House by the school committee contrary to what had happened under the previous discussions
between the school committee and Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee. So there's there's a lot of things in play here. Um so we'll see how this shakes out, but I think that we need a seat at the table. You know, we have we
have three very historic facilities that the town owns that need to be addressed and I think that we have input to provider. So okay, um old business. Um I did talk to Chris Ruth about this project. Uh
what I didn't realize I come up uh on Tuesday and what I didn't realize is that they had to modify the original contract significantly. Obviously the windows were left up. But the other thing that they did was that they only painted the building not so far from the
roof line to save money cuz you know they're they're essentially they're done with the project. They have a little bit of punch list work to do. Most notably, uh, when they did the, uh, chimney repair, some of the mortar ended up on slate roofing, and that needs to be
cleaned off. Now, uh, the but if you notice when you walked in, like around the windows and down lower, um, no painting took place and that was part of the original project. And of course, obviously, no handicap ramp. So, what
they did do was that they fixed all the slate um and then they repaired all the gutters and they repaired all of the woodwork uh around the uh around the roof. Um he said that the that surprisingly the rubber liner uh and the
gutter the wooden gutters um were repairable. I was really worried that they might not be. And what they've done now is that they've lined the uh wooden gutters with rubber roofing, EPDM roofing. And um and I think they did a
fairly nice job with repairing the woodwork that it was in dire need of replacement and repair. And so he says that the project is almost complete. So, I think that um you know, from a preservation standpoint,
uh we've really managed to to get a significant piece of work done with regards to keeping the building intact. So, questions, our friend iPad 2 is uh seeking to enter. Yeah, let's do that. Thank you for Okay, iPad 2. Um not sure who who you
are, but thank you for joining our meeting. I I uh hopefully you weren't on on hold for too long. All right. Um status of 76. So that's all I have for the murder project. U I think that it
turned out better than I was was fearing given the amount of deterioration in that rubber role gutter. Um 763 Mass Avenue. Do you know anything different than what we've been reporting agenda? No.
Okay. All right. And then 50 Main Street. I I don't have an update. Okay. All right. Um any other comments from the committee? Historical Commission made a presentation to select board
heroes uh program and they were um quite enthusiastic about it. Um, so that's uh we're working on moving that forward. We're on vacation during the summer, so somebody's working. Good, good, good, good. I think that's a
great project. I think and select board was very, very responsive to anything else, William, Nathan. All right. So, we're going to have a short meeting tonight. Um maybe iPad 2 has some public comment.
Let me ask uh any uh any input any public comment from iPad 2 otherwise we're going to adjourn. All righty. Um is there a motion? Oh, our next meeting would be 14 August. Uh
that work for everybody. Great. And then I'll ask for a motion to adjurnn. to Richard. Nathan seconds. All right. All those in favor say I. I. All right. Great.