Yeah, I just I just realized that I hadn't started that. So, um we'll call the meeting to order and uh we are using uh the Zoom AI AI function. Uh that's actually been started. Um this meeting
is being recorded and will be on the town's um Facebook page sometime tomorrow. the public access not Facebook page but the YouTube channel sometime tomorrow. Um if we have any other members uh from the
public join us they can use the raise the hand feature and uh we'll call on them. The agenda is a pretty light agenda for this evening and then we will um hopefully uh conclude this meeting in
a relatively short period of time. All right. So, uh, since we have a member of the public, uh, and Bill, is there any comments from you, Bill? [snorts] Uh, hearing none. Um, because he's either not doesn't have any or he
doesn't realize he's on mute. And then, uh, is there any comments from >> I have nothing to offer. >> Nothing to offer. >> Okay. All right. Great. Um so let's uh let's move to approving meeting minutes. We have meeting minutes
from uh 20 October uh 13 November and 11 December to approve. Um I've made some minor changes to the November and December meeting minutes. Um, let me just kind of summarize those and then
I'll actually I'll seek I'll seek a motion for approval of the October meeting minutes. I sent those out last and in December, but we really didn't have very much time to look and review those. Um I added the names of individuals who had participated in that
discussion and um I also made a few changes to the sequence of the discussions in those meeting minutes. So uh is there a motion to approve the meeting minutes from 20 October? [snorts]
>> So moved. We got a little feedback >> feedback >> feedback feedback feedback. >> Something here. All right. Um, is there a second? >> Seconded.
>> All right. Uh, any comments about the 20 October meeting minutes? Uh, all those in favor say I. And Jennifer, since you since you weren't a participant, >> um, yeah, >> you know, it's your call as to whether
you want to vote. You can if you want to. >> Um, just we'll just note that you weren't an attendee at those uh at these three meetings, but Okay. >> All right. So, all those in favor say I. And I'll start with Jennifer. I
>> uh William >> I >> and Nathan >> I >> and I for myself. Uh so those meeting minutes for 20 October are uh approved. All right. So let's look at uh the
meeting minutes for um November. [clears throat] Let me just summarize. Um, I'll ask for a motion and then I'll go through the comments that uh I made on the meeting minutes. So, is there a motion to approve the November 13th meeting minutes?
>> Motion to approve. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> I'll second. >> All right. Um, here's the changes that I made. And I've made these in red, William, and I'll
send these to you uh after today's meeting minutes. Um there was one small uh note under uh the 50 Main Street where I said the building is a key historical building rather than a main historical
building under the historical commission. Uh number four, I said a quorum issue, not a quota issue. And then uh I think those are the only two changes for that set of meeting minutes. Um any other comments about the the
November meeting minutes? Okay. Um I'll go go through a roll call. Uh all those in favor say I. Starting with Jennifer >> I. >> Um William. Uh Nathan >> I.
>> And I for myself. Okay. Okay. So, the meeting minutes for November 13th are approved. And I once again, William, I'll email these to you so that you have those small changes. All right. Um, the December meeting minutes. Um, is
there a motion to approve the December 11th meeting minutes? >> Motion to approve. >> Is there a second? >> A second. >> Okay. So, um, some, uh, some small
changes under the Lunberg Municipal Building Design Committee, bullet two. Um, I just made a few minor changes. I said, uh, we'll use GSA square footage standards for town office personnel planning. Um, under the main master plan
steering committee, I made a couple little changes regarding um, the uh, the Brooks House. I said the Brooks House uh came into convers was in uh came up into conversations multiple times during the most recent
master plan uh review the town voted to sell or lease the Brooks house and then uh the master plan sets the stage for various boards to discuss issues that will come up over the next 10 years. Zoning issues related to housing are
among the largest issues that the master plan addresses. And then the final bullet under the master plan, it says, "That has excluded debt capacity to pay for these projects. They are important and seem to have significant support from the citizens based on input
received during the master plan public meetings and surveys. So, those are my comments and once again um if these are approved I'll forward those to you so that you can send them off to the town clerk. So, any other comments about the meeting minutes?
Um is uh let's do the roll call for approval. Uh Jennifer, >> hi. >> Uh Nathan, >> hi. >> And William, >> hi. Okay. So, meeting minutes for October,
November, and December now stand approved as noted. All righty. Um, so let's go back to the agenda. And, uh, what I I had just a few minutes to talk to Jennifer before, uh, the rest
of you joined the the call. And uh so what I'd like to do is just kind of go around to the existing membership of the APDC and uh have you introduce yourself to Jennifer, you talk a little bit about um why you're on the committee or on the
commission and what your experiences in historic preservation have been or in the building business. So I'll start with you, William. Um, and then and after we get through introducing ourselves, I'll ask Jennifer to kind of tell us a little bit about who she is. [snorts]
>> All right, I get to go first. Set the standard. It's uh William Lloyd. Uh, I've actually lived in Lunberg for just over six years now. Um, so I'm a CAD designer by trade. Now, as a grown-up, I'm a project manager. Uh, but I got my
start in historical preservation, working on various military bases all over the world. And now, uh, being back home to Massachusetts, I am, uh, looking forward to bringing it back locally. That's my little story.
>> Nice to meet you. >> And welcome. Sorry. And welcome. >> Thank you, >> Nathan. >> Uh, hey, Jennifer. Uh, Nathan Lockwood. I live around the corner from William. I'm on Main Street and uh my wife Anna
and I, we've lived here for 20 20 years. Yeah, 20 years. Um and uh experience with historical preservation. Uh yes, we live in a historic home in the architectural preservation uh district. Uh I was on the planning board
and was part of the group that um drafted the APD bylaw. And um no I love you know love Lunenburgg uh Lunenburgg and its history and you know the visible uh aspects of that that are still with us are really
uh special to me and uh that's uh welcome aboard. Thanks so much for all your work on the historical committee and for making time to be part of this group as well. >> It's my pleasure. Thank you. And uh as for myself, I've been here
about six years in Lunenburgg as well. I I think u William snuck into town a little bit right before I did. Uh I don't live in the historic district or the APD. Um and William, you live just like one house over from the boundary
line of the APD. Correct. >> My my house is the boundary line. The sign is in my yard. So [laughter] >> Okay. >> But my my house is way too new to >> All right. Um, I don't live in the the architectural preservation district. Uh, I've been on uh the the committee since
I think uh 2022. Um, I've had uh fairly extensive experience in historic preservation. Um, I was the uh historic uh preservation guru for um
right Dumbar Historic District in Dayton, Ohio. Um, I was involved with a private nonprofit that owned uh significant historic assets associated with the Wright brothers and um [snorts]
and Paul Lawrence Dumbar. I also uh prior to doing that I was uh involved in historic preservation activities >> at Ray Patterson Air Force Base. Um the base is one of the oldest and most historically significant Air Force bases
and we had lots of challenges associated with running a a high-tech uh laboratory driven uh military installation with which had a lot of old historic buildings. Um so that's a little bit
about my background. And I'm a civil engineer by education and by training and experiences. And I love uh preserving old historic facilities. Done that with a house that
my daughter owned in Northern Kentucky. Uh spent an extensive amount of time developing that oldest 1895 house. Um all right. So Jennifer, that's who we are. and if you could explain to us uh who you are and uh and why you want to
be a part of this architecture preservation district commission. >> Uh well, I'll I'll try to keep it simple. Um I have some extensive experience. Um but more than that, my
experience in Lunberg um goes back before Lunberg was a town. Uh my I'm descended from the original settlers of Lunberg. um all of them and there are some illustrious ones. I um have been a
historian since I was born essentially. Um my grandfather is going to be 102 in March. He's a World War II veteran and a hero. He also owns two K houses, not just one. Um he's got a double K house. His house was built in the 1730s on
Elwood Road. He owns most of Flat Hill. his the L of his house was uh schoolhouse number five. Um I'm really proud of my family's lineage. I've been into genealogy since I was a child. I'm descended from some amazing
people and I've had the opportunity to inherit their artifacts, their documents, their possessions. I've been in their homes. Um, so from being just a history buff in general, I kind of found my calling indirectly.
Um, I grew I was born and raised in Lunberg, obviously. I went to school at Emerson College in Boston. I was in Manhattan, swore I'd never come back to Lunberg. Came back and rediscovered it. Uh, my goal is
I was involved with the Lunberg Historical Society. that gave me an opportunity to really delve into the history of the town. Um, including the family, my family history. And the last 20 years really, I've just devoted to
tracking down family stories, family documents, family antiques. Um, and I've been really blessed in that regard. I've inherited Civil War letters. I've inherited Revolutionary War documents. Um, I'm I'm blessed in that regard and
I'm a writer and a passionate historian and it's kind of all jelling um as as time passes. My grandfather is a wealth of information. He is living history. Um,
the information he's giving me is priceless. And uh so right now I'm just working on assembling and gathering and sifting and sorting and continuing rediscovering long-lost ancestors. Um
but I'm in Lunenburgg and I mean I live in an old house. My family, like I said, my grandfather's house is one of the oldest homes in Lunberg. U my family and Grafton have been in the same house for almost 400 years. So I love old houses. There's something about king's planks
and chestnut beams and Roman chalk numerals on them. Um, I grew up in them. I'm fascinated with them and believe in and keeping them around. Um, so my work with the historical commission has led to this. So that's kind of why I'm here.
There's a lot there's a whole lot. It's it's my my big thing. And Jennifer, by any chance is your grandfather the uh the holder of the Boston Post King? >> As a matter of fact, that is my grandfather.
>> Charles Marshall Hastings Sanderson. >> Yes. >> You you you bring um a a tremendous amount of credibility and authority with your history. And uh that's that there's no substitute for for the real thing, you know, real
history, real credibility, and and uh and the ability to make statements like you did. You know, I I think that's one of the really fascinating pieces of living in New England is that you run into people like yourself that have
really deep roots. And uh that's it's it's good to see. and uh hopefully um your time as a member of the architecture preservation district commission will be uh worthy of your
family's past. Um, one thing that I did want to mention to you, uh, because it did come up as a topic of conversation when the select board appointed you is that your term, um, on the historical commission, uh, will expire at the end
of June and you've been appointed to an APDC commission term that expires in June. I don't know whether you heard that conversation or not. No, >> but I'm anticipating that you will continue to serve as a historical commission member, right?
>> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> I I I want to serve on as many boards as I can pertaining to preservation. I I mean, it's really it's beyond near and dear to my heart. It's I mean, for instance, 50 Main Street, I have a personal interest in that property.
Yeah. >> Um I'm sure you're aware of the stained glass windows um in the church and um some of them bear my family name. Uh in particular one very large beautiful my ancestor Jesse. Um it's a full-sized
window on the right hand side on the Bowen side. So I'm uh all about saving that church. I don't want to see it fall down. I really don't. Well, that's a that's a perfect segue to our next item of business. And I'm going
to turn the I'll turn the floor over to Na Nathan. And you can I saw your letter. I thought the letter was well written, Nathan. Um I don't know whether you got any feedback from uh from Adam yet. Um but uh over to you. Tell us a little bit more about what your plan is
and whether or not you think that u we'll be successful in getting the steeple repaired. New York history local artist. >> Nathan, you're on. Okay, now you're
you're off now, Nathan. >> Yeah. Um, >> so thanks. Yeah, I you know, thanks to Cullen Dwire, I adapt I was really just kind of made some updates to the letter he wrote a few years ago, some tweaks.
Um, I talked I talked to the assessor's office today uh to get the address that they're sending the >> tax information to and it's the same address we had on there. So, the plan will be to
>> I haven't heard back from I I talked to uh uh our town council uh before the new before before Christmas or after before the new year. Anyways, and I emailed him again today. I haven't
heard back from him yet as far as uh >> but you know, if we don't hear from him, I think it's probably in pretty good shape to send. Um so the next step will be to send it to the address that's at the top of the letter. Um if you want to do you want if you want
to get that entered into the record or something. I don't know how you want to do that, Tony, but I can leave that that part of it up to you like for this meeting or whatever. So, it ends up as part of the uh >> meeting minutes or something. >> Yeah. >> I'll ask I'll ask for a motion to send a
letter as drafted subject to uh any legal review. And I guess how long are you going to wait on Adam to respond? Um I I'd say let's let's give him uh seven business days. And uh so the motion would be based on sending the letter
with within seven business days of the day. So >> that would be um >> like let's say >> January 20 sounds. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Let's do January 20th. So with or without his if he doesn't respond on January 20th, you'll send a letter as drafted. And if he makes any comments that are significant, and we'll let you make that determination,
um if it's, you know, just changing the the witches to that and that to witches, um I would say, uh go ahead and send a letter as soon as you get his comments, but no later than the 20th of January. That would be the I'll make the motion that the committee would would send a
letter >> uh as drafted subject to legal review no later than January 20th. That's the motion. Is there a second? >> Tony, just a comment before we do that. So Tony, I have not because it was outside of meeting, I didn't share it
with everybody yet. I probably should have shared it with everybody for viewing. >> Okay. >> Do you want Can I add William on to it and uh Jennifer on now? >> Yeah, do that. >> Is it William Lloyd, Boston EA79? Is that you, William?
>> Okay. And Jennifer, what's it? >> Yeah. >> Uh, Jennifer Sanderson at Lunberg. Uh, mass.gov, whatever. But it's Jennifer Sanderson. That's the address. >> And that's one word. Jennifer Sanderson.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Lunbergmma.gov. Let's see if that works. Um. Whoops. I think I got it wrong. Jennifer Sanderson at Lunberg. Sorry, Tony. Can you tell me is it Lunberg? What's the
>> It's Lunenbergmma.gov. >> Huh? Okay. Oh, it's going to It's telling me no Google account found, but um >> yeah, I keep having problems with my town email account. Um I don't I'll give
you my let me give you my personal one. >> Okay. >> I can't believe I'm still having those issues. Um Rain Dog. R A I N D O G67AOL.com. >> Okay. At aol.com. All right. >> You know, Nathan, the letter is short enough. Why don't you just read it so
William and Jennifer know what we're going to send? >> Um Okay. Uh they should have it now. I'm happy to read it. >> Okay. >> Um and just re Okay. Yeah, I'll read it. But just to wrap up and I I'll be happy to read it. I just want to Well, it's fresh in my head. I'll plan to send that if if I don't
hear from Adam by Tuesday, January 20th. Um, and uh, we'll review it now together to see if anyone has any feedback that we should incorporate. Um, I'm planning to send it to the address that's listed there. I'm planning to send it a
registered return receipt. That's going to cost about $13. Um, how do we typic do we t typically do that through the through the town in some way or do I just go? >> I would I would uh ask the town clerk for help with that, Nathan. >> Okay, I will
>> and then if and if it becomes a stumbling block, um I'll underwrite the $13 cost. [laughter] >> Okay, I'll see what I can do there. That sounds good. All right, thank you. Um All right. Does did you just to check
did you two get the uh William and Jennifer did you get the uh >> I got it. It was just uh telling me that I needed to request permission to view it. >> Oh, weird. >> Yeah, I know. >> Okay. Well, let me give me one sec and I will grant that and then I will delete
it. Um that should be showing up right here. Oh, there you are. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Good. Yeah. Failed to deliver to the Lunenburgg one. And this one I will share. There you go. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Yep. Okay.
>> Receive it as well. >> Got it. >> Okay. Beautiful. All right. So, um I mean, if you'd like to read on your own, you can or I'm happy to read it. >> I've got it. >> Okay. Tony, are you okay with just folks reading on their own there?
>> Yeah, if they both got it. William, you got it? Yeah. >> Okay. Tell us when you're finished reading. done. >> Okay. Well, now the pressure's on. [laughter]
I'm >> good. >> Any comments, Jennifer or William? >> Nicely done. >> I thought it was >> Yeah, I love the Don't be alarmed. >> I know. I [laughter] >> that was that was in Coen's original
letter. Yeah, I think that was good, too. Yeah, I like that as well. >> All right, so um let's I made a motion that uh we'll send the letter as drafted. Um no later than January 20th. Uh subject to legal review. Uh there
second to the motion. >> I'll second that. >> Thank you, Jennifer. Um, all right. So, all those in favor of the motion, I'll start with Jennifer. Say I or nay. >> I. >> Uh, Nathan, >> I. >> William.
>> Okay. So, that motion has approved for action by Nathan to uh send the letter to the uh owner or the responsible party for 50 Main Street to invite him to come to our meeting uh on February 12th. and
u we will meet in person um once he confirms that he's going to be there uh by the the the 12th of February. And if it turns out that he can't be and um I think that uh I get the APDC at the
email that you have listed in there, Nathan. Um I'm I'm pretty sure that uh that that direct that redirects to my u my town email address. I'll confirm that with Cara tomorrow >> to make sure that that redirect comes to
me and then I'll I'll know whether or not there's going to be any kind of an issue with regards to their participation. >> Okay, that's great. And I'll uh I'll just send you a test email now just for kicks. All right, there you go.
It has not come through. >> Okay. >> All right. I'll I'll get with uh I'll get with um and that that may be a function of of my email as well as the tenants too, but I know that I've gotten emails before like when uh Phil City
Okano was sending stuff, he was sending those to APDC and I know that I was getting those. Um but I'll confirm that with car tomorrow to make sure that the redirect comes to my my ton email account. >> Okay. The >> redirect could be delayed to What was
it? Yeah, redirect sometimes is delight. >> I just I just opened it my uh Outlook for my town email and weirdly I did get it. So >> Oh, you got it. >> I got it. Yeah. Um and I didn't send it. I sent it to uh to the to that address.
So hopefully you get it, too. But if you don't, we should definitely get you on there. >> I'll find out what's going on with my town email because it happens frequently with mine. So, >> oh, I got it. I got it, Nathan. Yep.
>> Good. Good. >> All right. Okay. Um, any other questions or comments about 50 Main Street? All righty. Um, I think we're ready to ask if there's any public comments from uh anybody that might I don't see
anybody else online with us. Um, with that, uh, any comments from the committee members? And once again, Jennifer, thank you for joining us and thank you for history to the to the commission and we look forward to
working with you. That's my comment. William, Nathan, anything on your part? >> No. Yeah, great. Uh, thanks Jennifer again for uh for joining. Great to have some some uh new blood and and more uh brains and bodies on this committee and
um nothing else uh to report right now. I did. >> It's a pleasure to be aboard. >> Oh, super, super. One thing I guess I just will say is I did notice um I checked my town email today, which I should do more often. We got an email
January 7th that the that the as of January 6th, the town uh warrant was opened. So, uh closing March 16th. I just mentioned that just so just to put it on people's radar. >> Yeah, I saw that, too.
All righty. Um, our next meeting will be the 12th of February at 7:30 and and we will meet in person most likely unless there's an issue with regards to the responsible party for 50 Main Street not participating. But as it stands right now, um, that's plan on meeting in
person on the 12th of February. And I'll seek a motion to adjurnn. Motion to >> Okay, second. I'll second that. >> Thank you, Jennifer. All those in favor, I'll start with Jennifer. A Renee
>> uh Nathan >> I >> William. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. Okay. So, we are adjourned. Everybody have a great evening and we'll see you in February. >> It was nice to meet you all. Thanks for
being welcome. >> Thank you.