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what is it? 6:44. Uh first we'll do an introduction. I'm Brian Lefon, chair. >> Sarah Cameron. >> Uh Linda Chica. >> Thank you. Opening comments from the board. Anything in particular? No, I
have none. Anybody online? >> Nobody online. >> So, we have no public with us at the moment. So, apparently they will not speak. [Music] >> Master of the understatement.
Status report from the principal assessor. >> Did you you didn't write anything up, right? >> I did last time, but no next time you didn't. Okay. No. No. Um, >> but you probably have a thing or two to cover. >> I do. Okay. I do. I have I have many things to cover. Uh so um we do have a
volunteer that actually dropped off an application for a possible board member. >> I think it's okay to say the name, but I don't know that. So maybe we shouldn't for now. >> Let's hold off. >> I don't know until the
I I don't know. I don't see why not. >> Uh individual's name is Brian Marple. >> Yep. >> Thank you for Brian for coming forward. Um, we might like to speak with you at a at our next meeting. Not a future
meeting, the next meeting. Um, so hopefully we can make some arrangements to uh get an idea to meet you, figure out um your interests and how you might fit. Um we are desperately looking for someone and and uh as you
know I know you um and I think this might be a an opportunity for all of us. So uh if there are any other applicants by the next time we meet we'll also try to join uh have them join us. >> That would be great. >> Is that fair? >> Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, we had our um, robin process equipment number five excise tax for the motor vehicles and um, I actually have the warrant for you to sign.
>> U, do you want to sign them now or >> we can do it if you want to do it when we do the minutes if it's up to >> we can do signatures invoices expense vouchers then we can do it when we do sign everything. >> Okay. >> So if there's any if there's anything else in your report that you want to sign we can just talk about that then.
All right, that sounds good. Uh, I did want to make you aware I might have in clause 18 possibly. I haven't received the application as of yet. Uh, I know we don't have that currently or criteria for that. >> We don't have criteria. Yeah. >> So, uh, when I get the application, I
will let you know and that's something that we probably need to discuss. I will. >> So, let's put that on the agenda for the very next meeting so we can talk about what the potential criteria are for >> for chapter 18. Yeah, it would be best for us to establish that criteria before looking at that >> sooner rather than later. Yes. Before we
look at the application. Yes. >> Um for those who are unaware, it's chapter 18 is to help out on a short-term basis folks who may have some difficulty paying their uh their taxes based upon uh their income situation
etc. So, uh, someone who's has a hardship hardship of some kind, uh, chapter 18 gives the assessors the ability to exempt, I think it's exempt, uh, them from taxes for some period of time, and
I don't know if it's one year, two years, or three, but it's just a short period of time. Is that clear enough? >> Yes. >> And did I did I misstate anything? >> No. >> Okay, I like that. I am going to actually contact Will from
Westford um just to see what he does. It a lot of towns don't actually have a criteria if they don't have any applicants. That's the problem. But >> we do need to do that. So I will find out what they use for a criteria so that we have something to
>> So last spring I did some research into criteria for chapter 18. Uh usually they're pretty difficult to meet, meaning you really have to not have much income and uh they don't exist for most towns. So >> yeah, that's why it's so hard to find information.
>> Right. Right. >> But um I think this applicant will qualify and it is definitely a hardship from what I could see. So >> So we'll um >> we don't really want to see the application till we've set the >> and I don't >> and I don't have the application at this
point. So, I'm just giving you a a heads up that I do expect that it will come. And I did explain to the applicant that >> you're trying to light a fire under us. I get it. >> Yep. So, other than that, uh been very busy working with vision um to try to
get the interim adjustments done. Uh I did actually get the growth numbers from RRC on the personal property and um we had um just on personal property 68,178,180 and that's assessed value
uh as far as tax dollars uh would be $979,038. >> That's the new total or is that the growth? >> That is the growth just from the personal property. Our other >> our other make sure people know that. Yes. >> Thank you. >> So, um we're um with the other we had
398,000 from our residential >> commercial and industrial. >> So, the growth is going to be 1.3 million roughly. >> 1.3 >> in valuation >> in in valuation. >> Okay. >> Yep.
>> We should be just a little careful so people know what that means. Thank you. >> I'm just trying to make that >> I get it. Yeah. >> Thank you. So we had uh an estimate of 400,000. >> Well, >> so we've >> Well, >> we've exceeded that and
>> a lot. >> Yeah. >> A lot of that is good to is due to the good work that you've been doing going out to find out uh what properties are out there and what their values might be. So, thank you. >> And I have to give Denise credit as well. >> Well, I meant you in the office because
yeah, you are directing her. So >> yeah. Yeah, we uh and our cyclicals as well. Our cyclicals are also completed for fiscal 2026. They finished those quickly. So uh and that was 500 of them. Uh we have one more fiscal year to go
and I would really like to propose to bring that inhouse if we could um >> for future >> for future. So fiscal 28 would would be >> we had initially thought that would be that we'd be uh winding it down over time but the contract that the that was
signed with with our no with um >> vision >> vision um was for three years full years so we have one more after this >> and then I think bringing it in house is quite is makes the most sense but who knows
>> it'll be up to the board at that point to decide. Yeah, >> we'll decide. And do likes us to complete 10% a year. So, we really need to kind of be on track with that. >> So, we'll be way well past the 10% this year. We were well past the 10% last
year. >> Yeah. >> So, great. >> Y um that's pretty much it >> for your update. >> But my update and then the other items I'll go through. >> We can pick them out as we go. So, that's great. Um
I was not able to find any time to do any more minutes. >> Okay. >> Um open minute meeting minutes. Do you have any executive session minutes that we have to do? >> I just did the one from last time. I know we didn't.
If you want to review that and let me know if that's acceptable just something. So based upon the feedback back that we got from town clerk's office, we will not be able to post these until we can post both the open meeting and the executive session. So we
can approve these, put them in a file, and then when it's time put them all together. Okay. This isn't quite accurate. We didn't look at all eight. >> Okay. Do you want to just uh >> We looked at the first two and then said
we'll wait until we can get to them all. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, how do you want to rewrite that? Just put a carrot. The first two of eight >> and just say the first two of a total of eight. >> Oh,
>> okay. Uh, you can make that adjustment. I I we can come in and initial them at any time. >> Okay. >> Would that would that change or you've made a couple of changes now? I just clarified that. >> Okay.
>> On two of the viewed for verification was verified for the eight >> for eight of the >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um >> can I just take that? >> Well, yeah. We're going to vote to approve these for res for release.
>> Okay. >> Um so you'll have to make a motion or I'll have to make a motion. Oh, I make a motion to approve those um executive session minutes for October 1st for release. >> I'll second that as amended. All in favor? >> I I Okay,
>> we've officially voted on it. >> Okay. >> I won't uh sign it right now, but we can sign them next week or whatever they're amended. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Okay. something else. >> That is it for at least the minutes.
>> That That was it for minutes. I think we're moving on to >> What is that one? Oh, >> this was Oh, this was uh Oh, I think this was supposed to be initialed and no one came in to initial them.
I think >> yes >> the May >> we we approved the May 5th minutes at the last meeting. >> Yeah, >> we did. >> So this just need to be initials. So >> what was the date of the last meeting?
>> October 1st. Let your initial on as well so we can >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I don't come into the office enough. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Um, is there anything else?
>> I don't have anything else for the minutes. Okay. Uh, >> we have lots of other stuff to sign. >> We do. >> Okay. I have the um motor vehicle exercise commitment number five
and there was a total of 500 bills um with a total of 79,000. This is tax $79,42.68. And this is the copy the warrant
that's for the tax collector. And then this is for the accountant. And if you could sign both pages because this one has the signature page which prints out from ununice. >> Okay. >> On that >> our signatures will be our vote as far as I'm concerned. >> Okay. Is that okay?
>> Yeah. this 16th day. >> Yeah, I know. The month has gone by so fast. I missed that one. >> Thank you. [Applause] Okay. Hadn't checked for that.
>> Okay. >> I hadn't checked that the date was on it, but it's the date. That's good. >> This didn't doesn't need a >> It doesn't need to be uh stamped, right? >> No, we haven't. We've been stamping the
individual ones that I used to have you sign, but this is kind of like a commitment. So, >> thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, we are processing the motor vehicle excise tax abatements like doing
it once a week now. Okay. [Applause] >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Okay, that is it for that. >> You got my uh you want to go on to the
next item, the interim view. >> If that's what you want, you have nothing else to sign. >> Nope. Okay, >> that is it. So, sorry for the late notice with the uh the interim um adjustments tonight. I we've been kind of going back and forth
uh finding things and I literally got I think it was like 4:30 I got the updated interim adjustments from vision and I can kind of summarize it uh single families going to go up 2.6% 6%
uh and that's based on the interim values the single families from last year value to this year's value >> not including growth. Yep. >> Not yet. Uh and then the condos uh there's like a 4 and a.5% increase. Uh
for the condos, two families 2.6% increase, three families 2 and a half. And the land and vision actually put together a nice sheet for us. uh 2 and a half% increase
on the land curve. Uh the excess acreage which we had at 8,200 which is typically residual land. Uh so what we do is if it's like 3 acres or you two if it's a in a zone that has two acres that's the
prime site. Yep. And the excess would be anything over that. So that's called residual. So that's priced at 8,200 >> was >> so or and still is but there's been no change in that cost. I like to explain that to people because a lot of times people don't understand the way that we price things.
>> Yep. >> So >> the values and it's based on uh area square footage. So if anyone would like a copy of how we cost the land when we go out and people have questions on that I always bring this so that they know
how it's costed out. I'd be more than happy to provide this. >> Okay. >> To them. >> So, that's how that works. And then, >> and that's nothing we need to approve. This is the one that originally they had the wrong town on it. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I'm glad you fixed that. >> Yeah. I wanted to make sure it was
correct. So, I've been going back and forth for about two weeks just trying to get the information and a lot of it was cleanup. So um and we had some functional and economic obsolescent discounts that we went through and I
think I've been mentioned in the other meetings we had contacted people that had these sent out letters did inspections uh and for those that responded uh you know we did the inspection and we've contacted them in writing. Um the other ones uh we sent a
letter with a new record card. Uh so if we get calls we do address them and then still do the inspection but um we have addressed those. Um we had um vision was looking at the commercial properties the economic and functional adjustments uh
and that was something that was just finished up. Uh I do have some functional ones that I will be contacting some businesses and sending out letters and doing inspections just to confirm the comment. But um they did um go through all those and most of them
were income income adjustments that were made. So a lot of those discounts will stay because it's that's how vision had calculated >> income adjustments on the commercial property >> on the commercial properties. Yeah. So he was Mike Terrell was making
adjustments and discounts based on that >> because the valuation of commercial properties is often based upon >> Yeah. >> income, >> right? So the so that's why we didn't we didn't want to make any changes to that. We wanted them to handle that. So it took a little bit of time for him to go through
the commercial properties. So today I just got the uh this analysis uh and we had some other ones of um some recalc errors that we found. So it was really good for us to kind of go through. I
looked at the old versus new. I've looked at three reports. So, we're just looking for any big changes in value, making sure that, you know, there's permits uh or um it's supported by a sale, uh essentially. And if there's
anything like a lot of the big jumps were if it was a vacant parcel of land and then they built a new house, >> that would be the big increase. >> So, that's kind of what we were looking for. Uh the other part of it too was some of the chapter land that was discounted and went back to full value
because we had no application and a lean >> and no lean. Yep. >> Those were brought back. So that's another reason for the increase. >> Okay. >> So uh so yeah. So we're still kind of going through that. Uh I'm hoping and I know we just got this
I don't know with the the LA3. I was hoping to maybe do that next week. There is some sales data >> next time we meet. >> Yeah. >> So, we we'll we'll talk about >> Okay. >> whether we can meet next week. We might be able to. >> Okay. That's just my concern. Even if
it's like a >> Well, we we also want to stay on target for our classification hearing and >> because of the delays in getting some of the stuff from vision, we are now behind the eight-ball. >> Yeah. >> As far as the schedule's concerned.
We're not officially late, but >> we're not >> I really don't >> want to >> wait till the end of the month if we don't have to. And I just wanted to give you um tenative dates for the classification hearing and this is a
obviously I checked with Jen earlier so it's just tenative at this point. uh either November 25th or December 2nd. >> And those are both Tuesdays. >> They're both Tuesdays. >> 25th is the week after Thanksgiving.
>> No, actually the week of >> That's the week of Thanksgiving. >> That's before. >> Yeah. So >> great. >> I'm not sure if she can get a quorum, but >> Well, >> I'm just getting a little >> sure we can. There's only two of us. >> But uh so I just wanted to uh give you those dates. And again, I these are
tentative. It's all pending whether or not we're approved. But the first step is to submit the LE3 and um once we get that in, that produces LA15, which kind of breaks our percentages of the sales. It breaks it down.
So, if there's a way that we can you can approve the sales, at least I can get that submitted. And then the next step once we get approved, I'd have to submit the get the values approved. Y >> um what I do want to do is have Randy
Mercier who is the consultant uh that's been helping us with Munice. He has been a tremendous asset. He said that he would come in and once I generate the file in vision, he'll
upload it to Munis. will make sure that there's no bridging issues because we still did have a bridging issue the last time that we met a month ago and he wants to make sure that everything is going to line up and this is going to help us with avoiding any issues at the billing. So, I'm trying to plan for him
to come in as well. It's just difficult now because I I don't really know when everything is going to be >> right >> approved and when it can be submitted. >> Okay. So, I'm I'm hoping that if we can at least get the LA3 submitted. >> Yep.
>> But, uh it's it's already uh the middle of now. >> Just so people know, the L3 is >> Oh, sorry. The L3 is our sales and um we base our val assessed values based on the sales calendar of 2024. Uh it's a full calendar year. If we do
not have enough sales on a class, we will go back 6 months into the prior year, which would be up to June of 2023, and we would go into uh June of 2025 if we don't have enough sales in a
class. >> So, we can get two full years. >> Yeah. >> So, >> and hopefully enough sales to >> Yeah. >> be meaningfully. >> Yes. >> For a sample size. So, I would like to once everything is finalized, obviously we're going to make
a public disclosure. I can post a report online and I do need to also have two weeks to post the ad of the classification hearing. >> Mhm. So, we're looking at late November. >> Yeah. >> Or early December,
>> which gives us a little more time than I thought we were going to have, honestly. Um, so that's good. That's helpful. Thank you. >> Yep. So that's the update on that. I do have copies of this if uh >> I printed off the copy you sent over. >> Yeah. Do you want
>> recently? This is the >> a copy from you. I might as well take it. >> Yeah. This is the um the detail >> 25 and I have what it was before. I sent you that. So it just kind of shows the differences. So
>> as well, >> it's the same thing with >> honestly as I looked at this report. >> Yeah. >> I have a big problem with it. And the big problem is >> there the titles don't tell you what it is. >> Yeah. That's why
>> none of the titles do. So you you sent us some that were used to the old ones were before and after. I wrote before and after so I could tell them apart. >> That's what I had to do. Yeah. That was >> and and we need to push back on >> vision >> to make sure that the these things have
titles that will tell us what the hell they are. >> Even this detailed label I don't >> again this again all of the reports you no several of the reports that you sent over that were all dated August 20th and they I couldn't tell them apart unless I >> went back and double checked the data
from which one it was supposed to be. So that's just that's I don't understand how that can happen because everybody must have the same problem. So they need to fix that. >> And again, these some of these were
dated August 20th. And if nothing's changed since August 20th, then I don't know why we could have gotten up sooner. >> Mhm. >> And this one is not dated August 20th. It is dated October 16th. >> So I'll go back and take a look, see if there were any changes. But if there were no changes, I have no idea why we
couldn't have gotten this much sooner. >> Yeah, >> it it didn't take >> seven or eight weeks to review. >> Well, I think the big thing was again, we had uh we had the discounts. Uh we did do some cleanup, >> but I was hoping
>> but the the report that I up until today, the report that I was seeing was dated August 20th and and nothing had changed. And uh >> yeah, >> that's just >> I know >> leaving us up against the wall when when in fact we didn't need to be. >> Well, I've been calling them every day
calling them. And >> there's nothing Well, >> yeah. Just trying to get get it done and also stress. >> I don't think there's anything more you could have done. >> Yeah. >> But we need to express our dissatisfaction as a town for the cont for the fulfillment of the contract and
why it's continually late. It was late last year, late the year before. There's no reason for them to be late. They're not doing this year. We had a few changes, so I guess I understand why some things had to change afterward, but it just seems like >> we're always
>> last. >> We're Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so that and that I'm just complaining. >> Yeah. >> So, I'll stop. No, I think part of the issue too is I know that again everybody's has staffing shortages and I
>> they can't fulfill the contract. They should find another way to >> Yeah. >> I I would understand if it was one time, but it has >> Yeah, >> it has been throughout the time I've been here. >> Yeah. >> Three. >> So, this is the third one. >> Yep. >> That's been late and we've been harping
about it for since I would say July. >> Well, this time. Yes. Well, we've been asking for it since July and we were asking when the interim um >> right >> when the inspections were going to be done and those were also not done when they said they were going to be done. So,
>> right. >> Yeah. I will say that um this uh the cyclical was uh for this fiscal 26 was a lot easier than it was for 25. But still it >> it's still late. We still
>> well 25 was delayed but 26 they actually they finished uh earlier >> okay >> at least from the cyclicals >> right >> but >> but it is it's frustrating because I >> I don't like to wait to do things to the last minute and it's just putting a lot
of pressure because I know >> we got to get this >> and we're supposed to review it. Yeah. So, you know, when they give it to you at 4:30 before the meeting, that's at 6:30. Yeah. >> That is not adequate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and that's not that's not you.
That's them not delivering. When was this actually due? September >> September 30th. >> September 30th. It's now October 16th. >> Two weeks. Denise and I were going through the the residential and I printed out three old versus new
>> just to kind of get started on it because again we don't want to wait till last minute. It takes some time to go through these reports and >> yeah analyze them. You know, given the history we've had, we need to be able to look at every single house, each of the
neighborhoods, and make sure there's no >> issue where Yeah. >> somebody's going up by a lot more than we expect. >> Yeah. >> Um, and this type of report. >> Yeah. I did >> gives us some data, but it doesn't show all that data. >> No.
>> I did want to mention the site indexes. They were on last year's interim adjustment sheet. I did ask for them to be put on. >> They didn't get on tonight. They did tell me that they there has been no change in the site indexes, but I will
ask on Monday if she can add that in by she Cindy Claus Grove can add that to the report. >> If they created a canned report last year, they had it. Now we don't have a canned report that has it this year. It doesn't make any sense. >> So I did ask push the button. kind of feels like an empty excuse on their
part. >> We love them. >> Thank God they're there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Having said that, we don't we aren't totally satisfied with our support. >> Well, at this point, >> I know that they've been contacting me
and they've been going through all the questions. So, they've been working with us. I just think that >> they're behind and and I did question a lot of things. Y um because >> thank goodness you're there to catch this stuff. >> Well, we're trying to uh to go through
it and we would rather resolve it now instead of waiting. >> So, last week I said, "Well, let's take care of it now." >> Like the the chapter land we we had that adjust adjusted. There was a cost issue on that. So, I said just address it now.
>> Yep. >> Just a recalc. So, >> yep. Um, anything else we want to talk else we want to talk about on the interim adjustments? Check. Um, 41A warrant income limitation increase
for town meeting. It sent that draft off. >> Oh, here's your copy here. >> Which I thought I put in this package, but now I'm not seeing it very quickly. Oh, thank you. [Music] That one.
>> Got that right. Oh, did I give Sarah one that? Take that one. Yeah, take that one. >> That's everything that >> Thank you. >> And thank you for labeling these so we know what they are. >> Well, I was looking at it, too, because I >> and and I wanted to um know where the
two and a half or 2.6% came from. So, I said, "Where did you get that?" Never. So, I'm going to go back and I like again I got this so late and check last year's versus >> Yeah. and their qualified sales that they used to come up with this. >> So, this is this is the detailed list of
the uh sales >> each. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Of note. >> Of note. >> We have >> we have um >> Yeah. And this is >> we were just told that the condos went up by four >> and most of everything else went went up by two and a half to three.
>> Yeah. I did want to mention on the condos though because I questioned it because I was looking at some of the percentages. >> Um, and when you look at that report, you'll you'll see some of them it's they look at the condo cost adjustment was
4%. They also look at sales in complexes and style and there were adjustments made based on that as well. So >> the overall average is four, but there's some >> Yeah, there'll be some variation >> and there is um a median in this report.
There is a median for the condo complexes. [Applause] So I can find it. [Applause] >> You've had over an hour to look at this. I want to see. >> Is it before or after the land? It's after the land curve. It's It's on Yeah,
it's under um It has land use condo complete. It's on almost the second to the last page. Does have >> I was never going to get there. >> So, >> see, it has the the median sale price and then that's the assess.
>> Wait, I'm not I don't have that. >> Oh, you don't have that? >> I I looking at the wrong thing >> here. >> It wasn't in this part of the package. >> It was in the other thing that we got. This this >> Yeah, it's that >> it's further. >> Sorry. >> I know you've got I threw so much data
at you. >> I just want to make sure I have the right thing. >> Yeah, right there. >> So, I've got the condo group summary by land use and condo complex. I'm almost got it. >> I think I'm almost there. >> And there's like one little 1016 2025 on there. >> All right.
>> Take a thought that was in your You don't have >> I have I printed off what you sent me. So this is this is right here. So these are all the complexes. So this is the the median sale and this is the median assessed >> appraised. >> Appraised which is our assessment.
>> They use the word appraised. >> Yeah. >> I clarified that. >> I know it gives me a headache. >> Too too much terminology. >> Appraisal and assessment are different. Just for those of you sitting out there. >> Yeah. >> So but I will email you my
>> Those aren't those aren't too far apart. >> No. >> No. surprisingly. >> Yeah. But we do have some sales uh that are in the 700,000 range. So Oh, yeah. >> Things that are going to drive >> they they've the condos have gone up.
The sales have gone up quite a bit. So >> I have a list that I'm going through a spreadsheet and we've been making notes whether if there was a sale and the date of it. So I can forward you that. Okay. >> So you can look at it cuz I started
going through it. But um because I I've been seeing you know some of the assessed values in the 700s and that seems like a lot but that's the sales. So >> so the very next thing we're going to be looking at is
site index. >> Yep. >> Is that also key? >> Yeah. >> For those of you watching site index roughly equates to neighbor neighborhood. We use it interchangeably. right now.
>> That's what we're revising over time. >> Yeah. >> That's what we're going to be fixing over the next three three year two years. >> Is it? No. >> So, well, we got to be pretty much done in two >> two. And I did want to mention uh Jenna
mentioned tonight that she did speak with the uh attorney and it looks like we can hire a uh a temporary employee >> because we didn't have any bids for our neighborhood directive project >> and we already know someone who has some
familiar familiarity how hard was that to say with Lunberg. So that would help a lot. >> Yeah. >> Fabulous. Oh, >> thank you. >> And that is going to be on the warrant at the special town meeting on November 18th. >> Okay. November.
>> Well, okay. >> Is it going to be a capital? It's not going to be a capital. What's it going to be? >> Personnel. >> It's going to be a um seasonal temporary employee and it's going to be on the SAP. >> Oh, they're going to add that to the SAP. >> Yeah.
>> Fabulous. Yeah. >> Well, that's great. That's actually that's a good approach. So it I mean >> we we need to start looking at that. >> Yep. >> It's uh >> well sooner rather than later. >> So >> but I will >> I have plenty of thoughts on that that
I've already communicated. >> Yes, you have. Thank you. >> And I appreciate your thoughts. Um okay. So this is just uh >> so as soon as we can get the site index stuff, you want to share that with us
electronically? >> I did send it. I know I sent it late today. I did a report. >> So I I sent that report with the site index cuz I had to have vision. >> Well, >> hopefully you got that. >> So what's so bizarre to me about that is that
>> we have gotten it before. >> That's not it. >> We have gotten it before. >> We have gotten it before. Um, there was a time before you that I asked for it and we were able to print it out in our office. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know if something changed in
the software or whatever, but like it was not a big deal to get that information. Um, but one of the things I was thinking, you said Robin had to also type in a bunch of stuff. Yeah. >> So, maybe this year we have everything and next year she can just drop in a
column. He did make it as a a report in our wizard which is saved now. >> But the problem is is it couldn't populate the difference in dollars between the old versus new and also the percentage changed. So I had Robin add
those columns to it and then we sent it to you. >> But if we have that in there, that's a um that's a formula we can just pop in and drag. It's a it's a was a pretty easy formula, >> but it just would have been nice to and then I and then he had to put into
>> CSV because for some reason I couldn't like sort it. So he kept it in that I was trying to sort it for you. So um I said, "You know what? It was getting so late." >> CSV is fine. Um Excel's fine, too. It does that doesn't matter. >> But I did send it. >> They're interchangeable for me.
>> Yeah. I think it was like a little after 4:00 that I got that and then I was waiting on the So, it's been kind of late getting things, but uh >> So, I've packed all these things into things I will get done tomorrow afternoon >> while I'm waiting. >> Yeah,
>> I probably will not get all of those things done, but I will make an effort to try to look at that. >> Yeah, >> because I I just I want to see the distribution by by that. So, we we make sure that is done. And that is something that the board of the select board um
>> asks >> asks for >> every time. >> Um and um like that's what they were asking that last meeting and then we went and printed it off. So it's >> I know we had it before. So I don't I don't know why. >> Yeah. I don't know why it didn't I asked
for it three times. So uh when I called >> Yeah. >> them back tonight they were just closing and I sort of there's any way you could add that? She said, "Well, we just shut the down the computer, but I have asked for it, so >> we need it." >> We have one computer. >> Well, this is a person that it's a
person that's generating, but she just shut things down. She did send me the details. >> I did not see the site index in any of the reports that were sent to me today. >> No. Um, there's an Excel file. >> It may be that it No, I opened up both. >> Oh. >> Oh, you didn't see
there was one. I I looked I saw that there was a or maybe it's under neighborhood. >> I didn't get time to look at it significantly. I was like I see that >> it's going to take you a while cuz it's taken us a while. I sent it late. It was probably after 4.
>> Oh no. I was on at 5:30. >> Where is this? Um >> did you get it, Sarah? >> It's fiscal year 20. The email was titled um FY site index report FY2026 old versus new. But that's
>> Is there an attachment? >> There's an attachment. >> Brian's on that email, right? Hopefully. I was trying to send it to you as fast as I could. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And it was Well, on my computer it says 1210.
>> Well, that's odd. >> Yeah, that's weird. But I I get random things. I got this one that said, "This is an Excel report, but there was no attachment." >> Okay, >> that's why I asked the question. >> I'm going to I'm just going to forward it to you right now. >> This is an Excel report.
>> What date was that? >> But there was nothing attached and that was last Friday. >> Oh, no. I was just telling you uh it's a report. This isn't ex Oh, I think I was responding to Sarah's. It will be in Excel.
>> I didn't get the changes from vision. So, I was waiting. >> It will be in Excel. Okay. >> I was waiting for itision waiting for me. >> So, this is going to be a bit annoying um because see >> Well, you can see it's it's sorted by um number instead of
>> Yeah. No, they they always come across as number which is meaningless. >> And I had to take off the map block and lot because it totally when it went to the CSV >> what >> it took the number out and put it as like car. So I said, "You know what? At this point, just go ahead."
>> The site index is >> address and then the site index. >> There's somebody waiting there. No. Okay. >> But the site index is in there. >> Fabulous. >> Yeah. Although >> are they blank?
>> There's a lot of zeros. >> Well, we have a lot of blank ones. >> Yeah. Um >> noted last year. >> But what I don't see is one 1 A 1 B. I just see ones, >> but it's got two characters.
>> And there's a couple that are two. Like this one's 30. >> So, you don't see any. >> I'm trying to read from afar. >> These glasses. >> Yeah, there's a couple that are two, which I don't. >> There's one. A Never mind. >> Okay. So, they are there. Okay.
>> Oh, yeah. I can actually sort this. Yeah, for some reason when after it was generated then I converted it to Excel, I couldn't sort it and then I called them and then they said, "Oh, well you have to put it in CSV." So it just it just wasn't easy to
and the guy in vision was even having a hard time sorting it. So I said, "Oh boy." So I said, "You know what? I have what I need." >> Yeah. So we have our >> sorting in Excel should be pretty easy. I think it was just because of it because of the way it was formatted. I was having that's was
>> it was a software issue. >> A lot of the zeros were 3130s and stuff like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Stuff that doesn't really Right. >> Yeah. >> We have a lot of those. >> So I highlighted I have another report that I ran this afternoon and I made
highlights to changes. I can send you that. And we have another sheet that has like new homes and >> Well, >> so if we get a clean spreadsheet, then I can just do a pivot table and and tell you exactly what >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know if you wanted cuz I
have another sheet that I actually went through. It doesn't have site index on and it I have like >> Yeah. Well, like the big >> Yeah. >> anything that changed, >> but I I can see the things on here. I think you'll be able to do it. >> Okay. >> Fabulous. Um,
and then I just want to also look at the qualified sales for for how they came up with the >> right. >> Oh, now see that should be >> Oh, this is just kind of like a summary. >> Yeah, I will count.
>> Is that Well, >> before or after? I was looking for the qualified sales like you sent us one of your tracking your own tracking from internally and I was looking for one from them. >> Do we have one from them?
>> I think when we do the LA3 we have to upload we have to upload a file. So she hasn't given me that file yet. You're actually going to help me do that. >> So we need to see that file too. >> Yeah. So I would like to have this done
as soon as possible but I don't think it can be Monday because we need to see that file and understand the qualified sales and we need to understand those qualified sales by neighborhood >> right >> vision work Fridays >> should be on your desk Monday
>> waiting for things >> it could well it could be sitting on your desk when you get in on Monday then >> I hope so. Yeah. >> Well, >> I've been bugging her a lot lately. >> Just because I'm trying to get >> Do you know how to get you to stop bugging her? >> Deliver.
>> Deliver. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She can She has complete control over you're bugging her. >> Well, I can I can email her as well. And I've been emailing. I probably should email for paper trails. Yep. >> We have that anyways. >> Yes. I would encourage that.
>> Yeah. But so I will ask actually maybe I'll just ask her for the sales file for the LA3. >> Yeah. >> To review >> with the sites on them cuz we need to have those so we can see the qualified >> we got to see the qualified sales by
site index. >> Yep. >> That shouldn't be a special report. >> What's that noise? >> Cuz otherwise how did they come up? >> They're emptying the trash outside. >> Must be a lot of trash. Sounds like a dumpster. >> Sorry. So, for those of you watching on TV,
there's a buzzing outside that I don't know. Could be trash truck. >> Sounds like a bad product. >> I will send I will send an email to her. >> Thanks. >> And ask her tomorrow to do that. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> And I'm hoping >> we can keep hoping. >> I'm hoping we can just get this done. I
I I thought it was going to happen the beginning of last week and then this week I thought, "Okay, good. We'll get it done Monday." I I hate feeling behind and I I hate it when it's when we're waiting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I do too because we I mean other towns have already been approved. We we
haven't even been able to put one thing in yet >> because we haven't been given our data >> have been >> that we paid for and was due September 30th. >> Guess we don't want to hear that. [Applause] >> What >> other towns have been approved? No,
we're I mean we are we're work we are we've been diligent with trying >> Well, and I'm I'm really glad that you're going through it carefully and finding errors and making them correct them. Um you know, people do make mistakes, but I would hope that had been
done internally. >> Well, >> but I'm glad we have another set of eyes. >> Yeah, I I guess I should probably >> You mean internally there? >> Yes. Some Sometimes it's also like a recalc era. So, we found stuff like that and then um we just questioned some some
things >> uh as we were going through the residential part of it and I just brought that to their attention and then they they looked at it because we we said, "Well, we've got a sale." Didn't make sense. We had some decreases, not just increases, we had some some big decreases that we went through and
questioned those as well. So, uh we addressed those. The increases we've addressed. Uh, and um I have a um the this is what we've been doing here. As you can see, Denise and I this these
were the some of the decreases >> and you put some explanations on. >> Yeah. >> So, just a suggestion for the future maybe >> in a spreadsheet. >> If you could just add a column to the spreadsheet and put that on the spreadsheet, then we have a record of it.
>> I've been doing that. I have a report downstairs. I was waiting for that. Don't doubt that. >> I started I started putting them in so that we would have it. Uh but >> so this >> cuz then we don't need to get the explanation again two weeks from now because we lost this piece of paper. >> No.
>> Okay. So have we covered everything there is to cover at this time >> on the >> on this on the >> interim adjustment. >> Interim adjustment. >> I'm just >> Yeah, I think >> I did see your note of time so I >> we're trying to be conscious of your time. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I think yes. Uh I think we've covered everything. At least from the information that I have. >> Okay. Okay. >> We're getting there. Just I'm hoping by next week. >> Keep turning the screws. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh >> um >> 41A.
>> 41A. Uh did did you get any feedback from the town manager or from town council? I did not. >> Uh I did contact the attorney of the day uh this week. Uh,
and I did get an IGR on >> and this is reference to 41A >> the 41A on the income limit because I wanted to verify that. So this is the IGR that he was it was very informative >> and it does have to be done at town
meeting. He did that. We knew that. So yeah, so I did get this. I can He was kind enough to send that. So this basically So the IGR basically says we could move from the 20,000 which
is what we're currently stuck at to something at a circuit breaker income limited um uh upper income limit. >> Yeah, it has to be >> that's what we're doing. That's what the intention was. >> That's what we wrote up. I just don't know if we got any feedback from town
council about the the writeup >> or from town manager that says we're all set. >> Do we need to do anything to the article as it's written? >> Correct. >> Uh next next week >> I know next week I the 21st I'll be going.
>> It's pretty straightforward. >> Yeah. >> And neither Sarah nor I can be there. >> I think it's something you completely understand. know what we're trying to accomplish. >> So, >> I think Jen was more concerned just verifying whether or not it needed to. I
mean, it it's a local option. >> That was the main thing. >> The local option was for the amount, >> right? >> The interest rates already been fixed by town. So, the the >> the two concerns that were expressed by the Council on Aging are not concerns. >> Right. Exactly.
>> So, once you get rid of that, we now have all I'm talking about is the article that we wrote. Yep. >> And is there has there been any feedback on that? And as far as I know, there's been none. >> No. No. I think there was more of the issue is what was the warrant itself
that was adopted and then the interest rate. And again, those were already addressed, right? >> So, it's just clarification on that. >> So, that one's in my >> my estimation that's all water over the dam. So, let's move on. Yep. And we have
this fairly short article that is merely trying to change our lower income, excuse me, upper income limit from $20,000 to something that moves up over time and is tied to the circuit breaker. >> Did you I just want to see if you
mentioned that uh that needed to be a single if it's circuit breaker it needs to be find what you had written. >> Circuit breaker is in broken into three parts. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Out of household, individual and married filing jointly.
>> Can only be individual >> only. There's a cap on that. >> Is that what it says on the on here? >> Yeah. >> I'm glad. >> Income limit. Uh let me find where it says credit. Okay. So,
okay. The maximum qualifying gross receipts may be increased by a vote of Miss Pal's legislative body to any amount of up to limit established general law 62 section 6K from the state income tax credit for single seniors who
are not head of households. The new limit may apply to taxes deferred to any fiscal year that begins after the vote. So >> So what do we do with the head of household? >> We cannot. It's only the single single rate. Let me just make sure it does say it here. That's the the cap on it. You
can't you can't take the married circuit breaker rate and apply it. It's only based on the 72,000 which is a circuit breaker right now. >> I included all three of them in there. >> Yeah. No. Um limit income limit for single seniors who are not head ofos or a percentage
that would result in qualifying grizzos increasing annually. So it does say and then it gives an example here eligible defer single seniors who are not had to qualify for a circuit breaker. >> So what what happens to somebody who's
this head of household? It h it would it would have to >> Would you do me a favor since I don't think you asked to that question? Would you call the attorney of the day? Whomever? Whatever.
Or we could ask our town council if there's anything. >> But for both married filing jointly >> Mhm. >> and uh head of household, we need to know what kind of limit are they also at the same lower limit? They I from what
my understanding was was it was >> to get confirmation on that from one attorney but >> and I did ask for the information and the problem with these is sometimes it's just >> well they're they written to for the for the broader community. >> Yeah. >> And sometimes they forget to to tell us
something. >> Yeah. >> Um so we just need a clarification >> and and maybe because of the way it's written that is the answer. Okay. I guess. But if you're in a different tax
situation, then are you just not qualified because you're in a different tax situation? >> That's >> that's the question. >> Nuts. >> Excuse my French. >> Well, I I will call again on because it's only Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10 to 12. If
you get us an answer on that, we can we can we can fix that. >> Yeah. >> Article. >> I'm pretty sure it's the 72,000 is the cap even from that. >> Period. period. Okay, >> that's the the cap. It doesn't matter if they're head of household or they're married. I believe it's 72.
>> So, a an individual making 72,000 or a married couple making 72,000. That's it. >> Yeah. And I will confirm it because this isn't >> seems unfair. >> Yeah. >> To, you know, the vast majority of the people out there.
>> Yeah. But doesn't mean it's not unfair. It just means it's could be unfair. Let's just double check. >> So I will double check on Tuesday. >> I only included those >> because I thought we couldn't just ignore them.
>> Yeah, >> maybe we did. Maybe we the state did. >> So I will find that out. >> Thanks. >> Oh, actually wait a minute. He gave me this as well. Maybe this says something. This is what the attorney of the day
sent me. >> Oh, basically says the same thing. >> It does. It basically says what we just read. So, that doesn't help. >> So, that's not going to help. >> Please tell us in a situation where someone is filing jointly. >> Mhm. >> Are they just not eligible because they're filing jointly?
>> That doesn't make a sense. >> Yeah. I'm sorry to get all twisted up on my shirt. >> No, it's just >> No, I if they filed singly, they would be eligible, right? Like anyway, >> I'll call again.
>> Is this >> I think the language is it should just say if the cap is 72 regardless if you're out of house or married. >> It for all all tax situations, the cap is this. >> Yeah. >> You know, isn't going to be necessarily
amount. it's going to be the circuit breaker for this. >> If that's the case, okay, but >> it's not clear to me that we >> Anyway, thank you very much for following up. >> You're welcome. >> And thanks for the >> already having called them to get to get
clarity that really helps a lot. >> Good. >> It's just this one other question that kind of leaves me >> ready to vomit. >> It's just frustrating for us because we I have an IGR. It's just not clear. That's the problem that you >> Well, I read the law. You You read the
IGR. I went through the law and I said, "What does this say?" I think it says I have to go to circuit breaker. Well, circuit breaker has three categories. So, I have to go to three categories, I think. >> I think, but >> I'm going to look. >> I'm not an attorney. I just play one on
TV. >> Sorry. Get under control, Brian. Thank you. >> I was just thinking of the I don't even think it's clear on the application.
>> It's not actually I have Jack's documentation here. >> Yeah. Well, no. No. >> Master plan response. >> Yep. So, thank you for that. We'll move on. >> Yep. >> Master plan response. You all got a copy
of the master plan request, which was a spreadsheet. I couldn't seem to get any >> I I I read your note and I that worked. >> You like the wording? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You like the wording? >> Okay. >> I accept your master plan response.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> We need to vote. No, >> we uh we can vote on that. >> Yay. >> Sorry. If I accept the master plan response, >> which if you'd like I can read it. >> I read it already.
>> Oh, I I'll >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Um the first request was for the master plan was to see what the assessors were doing to help uh people in a situation
where they need tax exemptions for blind persons, qualifying elderly, seniors, etc., etc. So, the town of Lunberg offers real estate exemptions for blind persons, qualifying elderly senior citizens, qualifying surviving spouses or minor children, and
qualifying veterans. Over the last two years, wherever possible, the board of assessors has been improving the eligibility thresholds and increasing the exemptions amount through warrant articles submitted to and approved by town meeting. All eligibility information and applications for tax
exemptions can be obtained from the tax assessor's office. I'm sorry, from the assessor's office. Most exemption applications have been a submittal deadline of April 1st each current year. A new senior means tested exemption was
implemented this year. Uh further reducing the potential tax burden for eligible seniors. application submittal deadline is the first Wednesday in September for each upcoming year. So, we received eight applications for next year that we'll be reviewing in
executive session later today. Uh there were two other items that they thought might have some impact from the assessor's office. Neither of them do. So, the assessing department has no impact on this item. And we have one other that is chapter land trying to
keep properties uh the land in town as open as possible. Um chapter 61, 61A and 61B programs which allow land you did a nice job of writing this one. Chapter 61, 61A, and 61B programs, which
allow land owners to have their forest, agricultural, or recreational land assessed based upon its current use rather than its development potential, thus lowering property taxes. These chapter land programs overseen by the department of revenue offers tax offer
tax benefits to the land owners who maintain their property for specific uses but require adherence to specific requirements such as minimum acreage approved management plans and annual or periodic applications.
Basically, it's uh what we were trying to say is we've done what we can do uh for keeping that land open. Um and we've done what we think we can do for those folks who need some help paying their
taxes. Uh there's always more. We keep finding more and we'll continue to look for it. But as of right now, we have one more warrant article that may help people in the deferral of some of their taxes, property taxes. Um, and
that's what we were just talking about a minute ago. So, so those that's the wording that we wanted to send back to the master planning committee. Um, it's late. My fault. I will take full responsibility for being late. Sorry.
Thank you. Master plan response. Any other questions or comments? Honestly, the 61A was completely Linda's. The other one was about 60% Linda and 40% me, I think. >> Well, thank you.
>> So, it was really really maybe 70% you. >> Probably 70% you. Um anyway um before we go to the GIS mapping software a future upgrade may I interrupt with some stuff questions.
>> Uh we had talked about there was a potential for some release of chapter land that's something we're not going to be able to review today because we don't have all the applications and stuff. Right. Actually, that one is um a PNS was submitted uh to the select board for the first right of refusal on that
property. I'd sent an email. >> Um so uh that is actually in process. Um the >> So at what point are we supposed to weigh in? Um once I will prepare the
roll back taxes once it gets closer to the the vote and if the if the select board you know has a first right of refusal. >> Mhm. >> Uh I know that um Jen actually uh had received the PNS. So um I I know it's in
the beginning stages so right there might be uh some changes to that. >> So that just happened last week. I was going to mention that. >> That's okay. >> The property. >> Um, so we don't have to do anything today. >> No. >> And as soon as you know what the status
is with the select board. >> Yep. >> Um, we will make sure that we have weighed in properly. >> Yep. >> For person. >> I think there was some confusion on that because I had three different people call me. They were also calling Robin.
And so I have to actually respond back to the seller because she was just questioning the number of um acreage and uh chapter. Jen did mention that if it would be easier if these chapter
land properties were divided at least from the aspect of like the PNS it you know it's one property is like say 9 acres I'm using 9 acres is in chapter land but then you got the single family home on top of it. it's just one lot.
And she had thought maybe our mapping had kind of broken up on the GIS, what the chapter land is, like what section of it is 61B or 61A or 61. >> We don't have that technology. I'm hoping if we can upgrade our maps, maybe
that's something we can offer, but >> we just don't have that. >> You have to be willing to pay for that. >> We do. And and the the other aspect is even when we inspected the 61B, it was difficult for us because that's the recreation land. >> Yeah. >> We're looking at land, >> right?
>> We we don't know where where the 61B portion is. So, uh but um but no, this property uh where we received the PNS, um it does have a single family home, which is also historic. It has some
historic restrictions to it as well. So, that might be an issue. So, I spoke with the the buyer and also the seller and just indicated that referred them to the building department because that's really Brian's area that
so um they came back >> building official Brian Jingris. >> Yes, Brian Jingris. So, uh >> not Brian Lefond. >> So, I know that I received a copy of the purchase sales agreement. It's been submitted to all the departments and that's kind of where it's at at this point.
>> Yeah. And there's a committee open space that should be reviewing whether that's a property that >> is of interest to the town. >> So it's in the beginning stages. The seller did ask me to >> uh generate the roll back tax. I it's too premature to to do that.
>> It's an assumption that the town's going to not exercise their >> right. So >> which that may be the case, but we don't know that yet. >> Yeah. We we don't know. >> Yeah. It's just in the beginning. >> We kind of have to wait. >> It's too premature for us to do anything. >> Yes. Yeah. >> And I think there was some confusion because there was so many different
parties involved and it it had nothing to do with um I I sent you an email just explaining that cuz uh I think that was part of the issue with that. There's nothing to release. >> Yeah. I figured when I saw that >> Yeah.
>> I I think what happened was the the attorney had called and wanted to release the property. Well, what actually happened with it is they didn't fill out the application. I took them out of chapter land, brought it back to full value >> because they've been receiving that discount.
>> Luckily, we have a lean on the property. >> So, they're still responsible for the past 5 years of roll back taxes. >> So, that's kind of where the confusion came in was in when the attorney wanted the lean released and yeah, >> we can't do that. >> We can't do that. >> Not right.
>> Yeah. >> It doesn't hurt until we collect our portion. >> Yeah. >> Yep. So thankfully we had a lean because there's been some others that haven't had leans >> well and should have. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's one thing now that we're >> oversight in the past. We are now
catching those. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Our office is fully organized. All the chapter land has been reviewed. So, yeah, we're making sure that every property now has an application annually
and uh there has to be a lean and if someone's taken out a chapter land and they you haven't submitted an application, we get phone calls, well, we didn't know that. Well, you you did it for one year and then you stop. So, it's >> somebody knew it. >> Yeah. So,
>> is and and the lean basically attaches kind of to the to the deed. >> Yeah. >> So, guess what? >> Yeah. >> Did you read your deed? >> Yeah. And we also are recording the leans with the registry. >> Correct. >> Mhm.
>> The applicant it's $105 to record it with the registry deeds. This way we have >> not out of our pocket. >> No, it has to be paid check written to the registry of deeds. But this way we have control of it that it's actually recorded. Yep. It's just it's great. >> Fabulous.
Um, do you want to do the GIS mappings for a future upgrade discussion now? >> Um, yeah. I just have a comment. I did get an estimate, but we can't do anything till fiscal 2027 at this point. So, I'm going to send the mapping
updates to CI and we have to go through the fiscal year even though the >> we're in fiscal >> 26 >> 26 right now. So, fiscal 2027 is only next June. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> So, is there anything we need to start
do doing to pave the way? >> Mhm. >> Well, it's about and I went over this the last meeting. It's a little over $4,000 increase. >> Yep. Um, but I think the technology is really what we need. It's we'll be able
to >> Were you able to look into if it allows you to do field mapping >> and that kind of thing that we talked about last meeting? >> They do have some other options, but we would have to purchase the technology and I don't think it's going to be included in the the price that we have.
>> So, can we get an idea of what that price would be because I think that's a >> that's really important. Otherwise, we wind up doing work twice or three times. >> There are other features that we can get and I will ask them for more detailed pricing on that. >> Do they want to come out and do a presentation to one of our meetings?
That >> Yeah. And that is just >> is that okay? >> Yeah. And that but that's just one one possible solution. >> We kind of need to know what that field part is and maybe be able to compare to a couple others. >> Right.
>> Okay. >> Right. before we >> So, we not only need to know if they have the functionality, but what is that functionality? >> Yeah. >> And how much are you going to charge us for that one? >> Um, >> and they will come out and do a presentation cuz he did >> we might want to do that.
>> Yeah. >> And we might want to we might want to check a couple of vendors. Well, since it's a fairly expensive item, not terribly expensive, um we might want to do a couple vendors, but this one would be
maybe we start with this one and >> yeah, >> go from there. >> This the the nice thing about this is I think this is the biggest benefit is that the discrepancy with our property record card updating once a year versus
daily based on our maps. that whole confusion of the difference in amounts that's in the GIS value versus the PDF. We won't have that, >> right? >> And we have the ability to customize our
vision property record card. We can customize it to look like the PDF if we want. So that's >> it's all the same base software. It's just what the vendor is going to do for you. >> Yeah. So, [Music]
>> uh, >> you could customize it in CI if that was their how they they run things. >> Well, they said that they would update it and it would be additional charges like with PDF. >> Yeah. But what I'm saying is they they're operating on the same base
system. They're they're all using that basic software. It's just what they choose to allow and what they charge extra for. and and so um CI is like, "No, we're only doing this once a year unless you're going to pay us more." Um but you you could have a custom card in
CI if they wanted to do it that way, just like in and in and the one you're you're looking at right now. You you could have it. Um that's just not what they're choosing to market to you. >> Yeah. >> Um as their business model. So >> they may actually give us the same
functionality for a price. >> Yeah. Yeah, I haven't told them that we're we're looking at other vendors as >> and that additional price might be the same amount less or more. So, we don't know really if CI could actually fulfill >> the same things as this other company
that we talked about. So, be good to know that. Thank you. Um, anything else on the software? No, I I mean I can get more pricing. Uh >> well, one of the ones we should reach
out to is CIA because the the transition process would be really easy with them. >> Um that doesn't necessarily mean it's advantageous financially. Uh and it also doesn't mean that necessarily they have the same functionality.
>> Yeah. >> But they may have something similar or better. >> We don't know. So that's good. Thank you. >> Um before we get off this stuff, uh we
talked about No, we got a note from the bylaw review committee. Did you get a copy of that? Probably not. >> I saw it. >> Okay. The select board has appointed a bylaw review committee to review and revise
the town bylaws uh to agree with the charter and to reflect the current practice in each of our departments. Um they've asked us to take a look at uh the town's bylaws and see what needs to be changed. Well, we
can do that, but we have been doing that for the last two years at least. Um hence the changes that we've made to the exemptions. uh the changes we made to or trying to make to deferrals. Uh you know, there's a there's a whole bunch of things that
we are doing that are within the realm of what the current town charter says. Um and they want us to submit our comments by December 1st. I'm not sure we have any particular comments. Um, we could take another I can take
another look at it over the next month or so and see if there's anything that I think needs addressing, but otherwise I think we're probably just going to say, "Yeah, we're all set." >> Yeah, I didn't Maybe something will dawn on me between now and then, but I I didn't see much to
discuss, >> right? >> But admittedly, I haven't been perusing bylaws all the time and writing them. As I said earlier, I read bylaws all the time. I read laws and state laws and bylaws and not true.
>> I'm going to open it again when I have some trouble sleeping. >> So, we are going to look at it. >> I'm not sure we'll have much input. >> Seriously, I'll look at it again. >> I know. [Music] Um, so that's not on the agenda, but we
got the note. So, I just thought we'd acknowledge that we got the note and we're going to look at it. I didn't want to minimize we do need to do that as a town. I just think we've been we have been spending the last two years doing exactly that. So,
>> I haven't looked at it in terms of the broader town, >> how it fits together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, maybe that's something to look at. >> Yep. Okay. Um, and then you sent over something you had found on a code of conduct. >> Oh, yes.
>> Um, is that something we want to address in a future meeting or do you want to just How do you want to do that? >> Oh, what's >> put it on an agenda or not? >> I can put on the next agenda. >> This did you get it? >> It's a code of contact or >> this is a code of conduct from some other community
>> that was from Littleton. I I just happened to see that. >> I don't think I saw this >> and I you can have mine. I thought maybe um it would be a >> I'll send it over at some point, but good thing for us. >> When I when I forget, you'll have half the copy. >> Did I say if? Yeah.
>> Um it's actually pretty straightforward. It basically says we will do things above board. We'll do things in front of people. We'll not be h, you know, we're not going to hire our cousins. >> Yeah. >> Um it's a lot of its ethics.
>> Yeah. This like goes right in with conflict of interest stuff. >> Yeah, >> very very much. But >> we could take a we we don't we haven't >> adopted anything yet. This is probably a good starting point and there may be something on here we want to change.
>> But uh we if I think it's a good idea to have one of these in place so that when we bring in a new member, we can say here's what the code of conduct is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Let's hope we can bring in a new member soon. Um, so maybe we could put it on the next
agenda when we aren't >> okay. >> Killing ourselves to get the classification hearing done. >> Okay. >> Um, I don't I there's one other thing I wanted to mention. Uh, the website I sent you that link. >> Yeah. I couldn't get it. >> Um,
>> I couldn't get it. >> You couldn't either. No, I >> Well, you need I asked Cara for another link >> and >> I I clicked on that one. >> Did you get through? >> I got I got asked to >> um I think you're going to have to open up an account cuz I was having an issue
because of my name change, >> but I finally got in and >> Okay. >> I just wanted you to look at it to see. >> Can you just have a conversation with Cara to find out if we're going to have to have an account on some kind on this whatever thing was called? >> Oh, yeah. Um yes. >> Why? I mean, I
>> I just don't I don't need another password. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. >> I wanted a file just so I could send you so you could look at it, >> but it allows you to go in to view the temp file and then that way you can click on the the fields. And it's it's kind of nice the way they did a great
job. Robin, >> it's probably randomly mess it up. >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> I get it. However, >> so put us on the list of people who can access it as opposed to making us log into or create an account someplace.
It's just >> yeah, >> you know, you can you can give people I mean >> there can be a database and you give people access to this but not the rest of that. >> There there should be that capability should exist for the website I think.
But if we have to do something like create another account, we'll do it. >> I had to get mine reset. I had to create it and then >> Well, you changed your name because you're trying to avoid prosecution. >> The names have been changed to protect
the innocent. Yes, >> I know we have our upcoming meetings on here, but maybe we want to >> talk about another meeting. >> We have currently proposed upcoming meetings. Yes. Uh well, just before we
do that, we talked about the criteria for clause 18. Anything else we want on the policies binder? >> No, sorry. >> At the moment, >> that's just future. Yeah. >> Okay. We'll move to upcoming meetings. So, it feels like we're going to need a meeting shortly, like next week if possible.
>> Next week, uh, I will not be able to do Tuesday, but I'm pretty much open any of the >> As you know, I can't do Tuesdays either. >> Yeah, we can try Wednesday. >> If you can search up a site for Wednesday. >> Wednesday. Okay. >> Yeah,
I think I'm still in a safe zone on Wednesday for scheduling. >> Uh, 6:30. What can you make? >> I can make 6:30. >> Fabulous. >> Okay. And that >> So, next week, Wednesday is the 22nd.
>> 22nd. >> Okay. All right. Let me see if I can find something. Okay. And that that is to review our interim >> primarily for that
just make the focus on that. >> If there's something else we need that's hot, we'll put it on the list. >> Yeah. >> And you can propose that to us and we'll just take a look at it. But >> this is all for executive session. So, I brought it all. I don't know how much we'll get through. So, maybe if I can add the executive session, whatever we
don't get through for here. >> We might need to do another executive session. Let's decide that during executive session later on. >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. Uh, did anybody try to join us? Not not right. >> Nope. >> Okay. >> No comments from the public.
>> No comments from the public. Any comments from the board? >> No. >> Just want a quick one. Uh most of this evening I've been saying thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to say thank you one more time. You've keeping us on the straight and narrow. Um
I know sometimes we get frustrated that this didn't get done or that didn't get done, but there's a hell of a lot that does get done. So, thank you. >> You're welcome. Yeah, we're uh and we are trying to get I mean, believe me, I don't I do not like to wait to do things the last minute. It's one of my biggest
peties. Yeah. >> So, I'm pushing to get the information and while they're correcting stuff, we're looking at it that okay, it's delayed, >> but we're correcting it. And we might as well just do this now. This is what we've been doing since I've I've been
here over a year and a half now, and we've been cleaning everything up and we're getting there. We have a long way to go, but we have accomplished so much in that time. Uh, so it's it's a good feeling not to, >> but uh we do want to take care of this
stuff. We're >> trying to just hoping that vision gets >> continue to fix what we find. >> Yep. >> Continue to be as transparent as possible. >> Um, continue to keep the best interests of the taxpayers in mind.
>> Yep. I do want to mention one thing. our our data quality is good. I don't want anybody to think that it's not. Um that's not what I'm saying when I I say that we're correcting things. We we this stuff should be reviewed >> or has right
>> every year, you know, because >> because it it for many years wasn't >> that's part of it and >> it wasn't as reviewed in as much depth, >> right? >> Put it that way. >> Yeah. So now it's being reviewed in depth. And I do I know I say this all
the time, but I do want to encourage homeowners if they have any questions on their values, uh, anything on their property record card, please call the office, schedule an inspection, we will go out, check the record card, and any
concerns, I encourage them to do that. >> Yep. And >> something I meant to say uh for next week's meeting, if we're having a meeting next week, uh if we can get any uh applicants for our last
position in here to talk to them, we would love to have that time to talk to them as well. So that what I put up right right up as high as any other priority. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, if you can arrange that >> for a new new um >> anybody that said they sent in their
their talent sheet. >> Oh, yeah. >> We would love to talk to them >> for a board member >> as a member of the board of assessors. >> Yep. Okay. All right. I think I have a phone number on that so I can >> I think you do. >> Hopefully they can attend.
>> Thank you. Uh anything else? Hearing nothing. I will entertain a motion. You want to read that? Sure. I motion we adjourn to enter into executive session. We're going to adjourn open meeting and enter executive session, not to return to open session
after exiting executive session. And we're doing that motion to enter executive session under purpose 7 to comply with or act under the authority of any general or special law or federal grant and aid requirements. in this executive session. Quote,
"Alications for abatement or exemption under this chapter shall except in proceedings before the county commissioners, the appellet tax board or a court of the commonwealth be open only to the inspection of the assessors, the commissioner, the deputies, clerks and assistants of either the assessors or
the commissioner and such other officials or designated private auditors of the commonwealth." This is chapter 59 section 60 of Massachusetts general law as the law being cited. >> I'll second that. Any further discussion? None.
>> None. >> All in favor? I. >> So we are adjourning this meeting. So we can shut off the zoom and shut off the recording.