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will call us to order. Is now 6:44. Uh, we should probably just do a quick here. Here's who's here. We don't typically do that, but in case anyone's online. Uh, I'm Brian Leavand. I'm John Rabbit. Sarah Camera. Linda McQuade.
Thank you everybody. Uh, I'm going to open this up to comments from board. I actually have one. Um, we had received an email, no, a mail from uh a taxpayer about our last meeting. Um, they were
concerned that we were treating their concern lightly. I wanted to reassure that person that we were not in fact treating their request lightly. Uh what we were doing was we were actually quite thankful that you pointed out a hole in
our process for uh cyclical um inspections. Our process did not leave enough time for people to actually get back to us in a timely fashion so that we could notify the uh inspector not to go to their property. uh we have changed
the process so that there should be plenty of time for people to notify us of their pre their uh pre preference um and we should in fact not have such a situation again in the future. So I
thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'm sorry if you if the way we presented it was not uh anything but uh appreciative. Thank you. Any other comments from the
board, Mr. Rabbit? Uh, as my wife has reminded me, this is my last night on earth. I hope you she already knows then. So, we know how you're going down. Okay. And, uh, I do want to say thank you to the
board. And I know you guys are working really really hard and I know we've got a lot done the last two three years or whatever and uh I really want to say thank you very much. Uh I am leaving primarily because of
personal issues that I have to address. Uh in fact I get to go to surgery tomorrow morning. So don't be late. Don't be late tonight. So um anyway, I look forward to my next uh piece and I
have made contact with the council on aging and it would be my intention to join them where I would act as an advocate for them and a liaison with us. And so therefore I would like to come back and ask Linda don't kill my
email allow me to continue to communicate. That's not her decision. Well, she she's in the inside. She knows. Okay. In either the case, just want to be clear. I know. and and if I and I will probably communicate that with the uh the town manager and at the
same time I would hope that I could continue to uh be part of the gateway system and uh and look at that because I will be trying to run a liaison between the senior center and there's a lot of
interesting information aside from the the dirty details that if I could and it's up to the the folks that administer that. So anyway, uh yeah, and we've made good progress, but I'll share with that. I noticed it's not on the agenda, but
the 41 piece, the deferral piece, there's been a lot of good communications back and forth. I moved into a and clearly expressed that I was an advocate for these people. I was not speaking as a member of the board of
assessors. uh we've had uh multiple back and forths and once again it's a classic misunderstanding of what the new what our deferral does and what that particular bank believes
uh during public comment you probably don't don't want to be addressing any particular right application right okay please I I can come back and get that so in either case there where they're making progress. We're learning stuff
and uh it's it's actually looking pretty good because we're talking to right people. So that's the only thing I wanted to give you the progress on getting the banks to play with us and deferrals. Thank you, Miss Cameron. I have no comment.
I'll probably have another comment when we get to the final comment here. End of the night. Um, I'll reserve that. Right. Uh, I think we're ready for Is there anyone on the Zoom? I don't
know if we actually made Zoom work. I don't see anybody on the Zoom. Okay. Uh, there's no one here in the hall, so I'm going to assume there's no public comment. Um, I think we move right into the status report from the principal assessor. Okay. Um just wanted to give
you an update on the FY2025 abatements. Uh we have one uh tonight to sign um that was actually withdrawn as part of an ATD ATB settlement. That is the last one uh that
we will review in an executive session. Uh and of the 37 uh we granted uh 22 um 15 were denied. Um and the total amount of the
abatements that were granted was 27,000 $1621. Uh we additionally had four administrative abatements. Uh two of them being personal property corrections to solar amounts that were in the agreements. We had one fire and one land
amount that was corrected. So, I wanted to point that out. Uh, so that's all the abatements we will will be finished. Um, I do have an 8 to 58 to go through in executive session and that will be it for um any
abatements. Uh, we did mail out about 220 postcards to get ready for the next cyclical which will start on May 12th. Uh this card is kind of a mini summary of the the letter that went out.
Uh we just kind of felt like people needed a little more information with the card we were using. It just wasn't really detailed and was creating confusion. So they have been mailed. I've received a few phone calls. Um and uh we only had one person that wanted
didn't want to be on the inspection list, but So a little more little more information and a little more notice. Yes. as I mentioned earlier. Thank you. So, um yeah, that will um again that will be starting up on May 12th and we will update the streets as we find them.
So, probably starting the week of May 12th, I have a better idea as to which streets he'll be inspecting and we will post that so people are updated. And uh in addition to that, uh I just want to give an update on chapter land. We've actually been going through
the office reorganizing all the chapter applications. Robin's Robin's been doing a great job with that. And as of the chapter, uh, we have eight properties that do not have leans but have applications. So, we
have sent um two letters. I had a resident come out today. Um, two of those properties do have a uh So, two letters to each property. two letters to each property owner. Of those eight, it's now going to
be reduced to six that haven't responded yet. Uh, a homeowner came in today. I made up two leans, which we will go through an executive session. I have uh two chapter land properties that have no applications, which will be brought back to full
value. And I have four chapter land properties that sold uh that do not have an application and did not have any roll back taxes. So we can talk about that in executive session as to what how we want to proceed with that. I do have the
folders with me. Um and I have another chapter land application where uh the owner had passed away. Uh I did bring it back to full value and I'm waiting a decision from the uh survivors as to how they're going to proceed whether or not they're going to sell the property or if
um they're going to just pay the roll back taxes. So that's just an update on that. Uh, other than that, I I don't really have anything else. We're just starting, Denise and I are starting back on growth. So, ju just for the folks who might be
watching. Um, chapter land when it comes out of chapter that how it gets treated, if you want to go through that or do you want me to? Oh, no, I can go through it. So every year uh other than the 61 uh applicants are supposed to submit an
application every year uh unless it's in an aggra agricultural preservation they're exempt from that. So if people do not submit an application we have sent out letters notifying them that we need an application.
uh and if they don't respond uh we have the right to take them out of we've given enough notice uh to take them out of the chapter land program and put them back to full value. We're going through a lot of our our chapter land files and we're finding that of the ones that I
mentioned eight of them uh didn't have leans. So we need to have leans. So, we've sent out letters, two letters just notifying people that they need to contact us uh to stay in the program because it does need a need to have a
lean. So, we started that process and uh we will actually uh as a courtesy and just to kind of keep a little more control, we're actually going to go to the registry of deeds for these homeowners. Uh they just need to write a
check uh to record the lean, which is $105. So if they write us a check, we will go to the registry and record that for them. And it's not just homeowners, it's any property owner. It could be a property that doesn't have a home home on it. It could be. Yes. Yes. Yeah. A
lean or actually leandan homeowner could be in the situation where a property is sold. What happens? Well, what's supposed to happen? What's supposed to happen is uh they as the the original owner was supposed to pay the
roll back taxes unless they keep it in the same use. And whereas if if that's the case, the old lean would be released from the seller and the new homeowner would have to submit a new lean for
that. So, uh, I have one that one property that I will be able to actually go back for roll back taxes for two years. Uh, there's some older ones that I kind of want to just go through with you in executive session tonight on how we
should proceed with those. But typically, that's the process is if it stays in the same use, there would be no roll back taxes. The old lean would be released, the new lean would be recorded, and if it is sold, uh the town
has the uh a purchase and sales agreement needs to be presented to the select board. It's 120day process. the town has the uh right of first refusal uh to determine if they want the land and then if not um it can be sold and
the roll back taxes would be calculated and paid by the uh typically it's the seller that pays right roll back taxes perfect thank you can ask um with regard to a lean we place a lean on is there
any interest factor that's associated with tagged on to the lean uh with regard to you know 3 cent 3% 8% per year anything like that no it's just we have like a I have a spreadsheet that actually calculates this for each year
as to what does that is there an interest rate associated with that calculation um we I don't know that I don't I I have the formula downstairs yeah seem like it if we don't have one of those and I know we have another deferral piece but uh
that would be lost revenue to the town. So, so it's not like it's it it's a separate issue. It's not lost revenue. It's revenue. It's basically monies that we did not take in um to keep it. And the question now I'm sorry, Zoom is
doing something. What is that? Okay. Zoom is not responding. I don't have anything on the screen. Sorry. Sorry for the distraction. Technology strikes its Never mind. So, go ahead. strikes again.
Um, it's different than that. It's different than the deferral. The deferral is you're deferring your taxes and that accumulates over time. But there is a lean that's placed on the There is a leaner, but that's but but it's a lean and leans can be done for any number of reasons. In this case, there's a lean for the back taxes for
three years or five. It's actually for five and there is no interest. So what happens is it takes each year it takes the the chapter land value and it takes the assessed value and it's calculated by the tax rate of that year and there's a spreadsheet that actually calculates
it out for each year what the what obviously what the difference would be times the tax rate right so that's how how it's uh and then your question was about is there an interest there may be some interest on that but I don't know if that how much that
And if there is, no, I don't believe there is. No, it's just the difference between the uh the mark the full assessed value, the chapter value, and then obviously the tax rate that applies for each year.
Thank you. You you look confused. No, we can get an answer to that question. I don't know if there was an interest rate specifically applied to chapter land which it makes sense there should be but I don't know how the law
is written reading it in any of the training I don't remember seeing it thank you though for the explanation about what we're talking about in draft chapter and what we're trying to clean up basically we have lots of land in chapter these are the ones that are sort
of not complete at the moment right and there really hasn't been any monitoring of these chapter land properties for many here. So, we're cleaning this up. It's just been a Did your mic go off? Let me see. No.
Okay, go ahead. It's been a long process. Is it It's working. Okay. It said It says it's green. It It changed a bit. Yeah. Um, thank you. Um, more updates. Oh, before you go on,
uh, you said we had 37 37 uh, abatement applications. 22 of them we approved, 13 we've denied. That me to 35. Uh, no, 22 were granted, 15 were denied. That was 37. 15 were denied. Yep. In addition to that, we had four administrative
abatements. I thought you said 13 and that's why I was questioning the numbers. Thank you. That's it. That's all I have. That's all you have updated. That's it. Yeah, I have invoices that I'll go through, but Okay.
Wow. So, okay, cool. Um, I guess we're moving on to current business if unless there's something else that you wanted to talk about. No. Um, review and approve minutes. I I sent a copy of the February 19th minutes over. I had no issue with
those as amended. Okay. [Music] I'll entertain a motion on February 19th. A motion to accept the minutes of February 19th as amended. So moved.
Well, that's second. Second. I'm sorry. He's just trying to take over. It's just town meeting before I lose my mind. U all in favor? I I We'll take that. Uh, I went through started to do the March 12th one
and I wound up with a couple of questions that I couldn't get an answer to until I saw Linda. So, I don't have those changes and I will do the March 19th before our next meeting. U, so February 19th, we're
okay. We have executive session. Are there any minutes from executive session that you'd like to do? I have from the last meeting. That was the April 19th. Yeah, 16th says on the I know I had the wrong I had the wrong date for the executive
session. Should be the 16th. We realized that today and it says that on the minutes though, right? It says the 16th on the No, on the minutes. I don't know. I haven't seen it's got the 16th right date.
Okay, Mr. Chairman. Please. Okay. Thank you, sir. Okay. Where it is my last meeting and and such. The March 12th fine was fine. Uh it was okay. Uh I will note that I failed to get in that in those minutes.
I did not get the information into the ledger so they could write something up. On the March 19th letter, the question that was left open, it was the financial finance uh director and the reporting relationship with our lead assessor and
uh I don't know if I've heard an answer yet. What What is the strategy on that one? Would you since you won't be at our next meeting, could you write those down and send them to us? I could certainly Thank you very much. Okay. If
your work's not done. No, it's never done. It's never done. It's like, yeah, the work's not over till the paperwork's done or you're dead. Then you don't know. So, you don't
feel bad about it. Okay. Sorry, I I we can read these out loud because there's nothing on here. Yeah, I didn't put anything. Uh A41 application was denied. Um and the application was
incomplete as only one of the owners was on the application. That is true. The property is owned jointly. That is true. Is that no notary signature on the agreement? But the agreement can't be reached until later on. The notary signature is not necessary until after
there's an approval. So I think we need to take that piece of it off. Okay. Is that how you understand it as well? I understand it that when they present it to us, their signature should be notorized as well as any remainder men need to be notorized and that's what the
hang up even during the application process. I thought dur just the agreement was the I believe the application is the is the primary piece and they have to be notorized before we can process the application. We can't really make a decision until the other
two parties have already uh come through be notorized at that point because Oh, I'm sorry. So that's a that's on the agreement between the bank Yeah. and the individual and their application. No, no, but but but but that's between the bank and the individual, not between the
town and the individual because the town and the individual agreement will not have been done until later. So this is this is the agreement without their signature. We can't process anything between applicant
and mortgageer or mortgage mortgage. I don't know which one it is. Mortgage mortgage R. The mortgage R gives to E or gives to E or gives to E. That's right. Okay,
that's Thank you. So the mortgage or and no. Okay. Uh and I think the rest of it's okay. [Music]
Um, yes. This the minute of the other letter that's going to be sent out. This is the No, this is just the accepting of the minutes from that date. Okay. I think what what we're going to start doing in the future is if we get any applications
that are incomplete, we probably will not stamp them and submit them until they are. I think going forward that's what we should do. as a practice. So, I don't know. I'm thinking we should stamp them as received in the
office and write on them incomplete because that way we know what date we originally received it and if it comes in again, we'll know what date it comes in complete. So, that would be my take because I don't want to lose track of any papers. So, somebody comes in and says, "Yes, but I brought you this."
Well, yeah, you did, but it was bounced. But what if we don't accept it till it's complete? Because technically, if it's not complete, it it needs to be completed, submitted as a complete package. [Music]
um be enter I'd entertain more conversation on that because um you heard my position and we don't have to decide tonight. We could we don't have to. Anyway, uh let's stay on the minutes. Uh on the minutes, Mr. Chairman, uh I want to
think about it. I believe that there were some dates that were presented specifically to when we had to have a response and uh I know there was some discussion around whatever we said let's it's the 30 days I believe and in fact
it was 90 and that's the reason why I sent the note in asking to not send something out to these folks because we made we had up to 90 days right we had already made a decision So, right. And we made the decision, but
it was also done in executive session and we hadn't agreed on the minutes and we hadn't necessarily we hadn't agreed on the minutes cuz they're here. You know, they're here. I mean, we hadn't we hadn't seen the minutes and I feel that uh we made a mistake.
And uh so these are the minutes. Yeah. Yep. And and uh I'm thinking that uh I wouldn't necessarily We're reviewing the minutes. So, let's Are you suggesting a change to the minutes? Yes. There was discussions with regard to the dates in
which we had to uh respond and it turns out that those dates were wrong. They weren't wrong. We could res we could respond, but we had more time to make. They weren't wrong. We had up to 90 days. We could
make a decision the day we get them. So they weren't wrong. Now having said that, if you want to reflect something in the minutes, make an amendment to the minutes that you'd like to say. Okay. What I don't know what you want to say because we know that we have up to 90
days, but that is what we talked about and the minutes should reflect what we talked about, right? So that this other thing is well kind of a new discussion I thought. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, I get it.
Um if you want where it's the first time seeing seeing this write up if I could get some time and I will send something back for your consideration. C can we leave this with him? Sure. I guess I guess it's just that we know what Linda
has and he can suggest what he wants. Yeah. And whomever is on the board when we have our next meeting can review it, right? Okay. just send it back to me with with whatever suggestions you have and then we'll modify as we as right
Sarah and somebody we'll modify as they see fit and as a and as a policy uh we might consider that when we notify an applicant of the decision that there be a listing of reasons and a date
that the actual document was created and the date which document when it was sent to this particular person. The the denial it's dated and I haven't seen we we just send a denial. We don't explain the reason.
But you must write the date on it when you Well, there is a it it's an actual date. It's a date. It has a date on it. So, it has a date. I'm not sure what you're not asking for some anything new. It's something I think that's already there. Okay. Because I haven't seen it. I haven't I just haven't spoke with them
and they said there's no date and there's no reason why it was being there should be a date because we always put a date on. I don't know. But I would think that the policy perhaps should be adopted to say these are the reasons why and it gives them a basis for going to the ATB or at least understanding and
continuing a conversation with yourself to to what's going on. But to just do the I just want to check is your mic on he's got it faced away from him. Okay. Sorry. I just didn't turns it away every time. I don't know why. I don't know. I always do that. He doesn't want to be
really recorded. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Lily. So, the the policy should include identifying the reasons for the denial and uh and that again gives them a chance to respond and understand and think about it. And if
they were to make an application to the ATB, uh, then it gives the ATB a clear reasoning for why we did that, why we took that position. So, uh, if it's okay, I'll take this back and modify it
and send it back within the next before the next meeting. How's that? Two weeks. Yeah, I You're done on the 16th. So, please send it by the 16th. Yeah. When's the election? 17th, right? 17th. 17th. Okay, thank
you. So, we'll hold that one in the bayets for now. Um, you see the suggested changes that Sarah and I have included mortgages. So, uh, you can either if you could send an electronic copy of
whatever your changes are back to Linda so she gets them right because we want got Lord knows we want to get your words right. I'll get this answer as to Linda and then please deliver the hard copy back because those changes are are the ones we just aren't to.
Thank you. Uh I have on here that we should have had executive session minutes for March 19th. Do we not have them? Oh, we approved that. Well, I don't know. It's still on your agenda. Let's just double check. Check. I'll double check on that for the next
meeting. I will. with whomever it includes. Okay. Um Okay. If you'd like to be written in, let me know. Yes. If anyone wants to write their name in for a position on the board of
assessors, there's a three-year opening still available. And there are, as far as I know right now, no nominees. Paid political announcement. Uh, review and approve invoices. Well, with my blood, sweat, and tears, but not with any cash.
Um, review and approve invoices, expense vouchers, billing arrows, etc. Yep. Wanted to add one other thing. Uh, I submitted the MDM1, the veterans exemption, and the motor vehicle uh, reimbursement, motor vehicle excise tax
reimbursement forms for FY uh, 2025. So, I have copies of those if you want would like them. They were approved by the uh, do um, you just have one copy there. Yeah.
And um, we can throw them over, but Okay. They're already submitted and approved. I think we've seen I think we know what's in here. I think you already saw them, but yes. Yeah, the deadline was April 30th. So, I Right. wanted to
get that in. It's actually This is the second copy of the same one. Same. This is the third. Oh, we each get our own copy. Yep. Wow. This is the veterans. This is motor vehicle. So, the potential reimbursement from the
state. Well, this one is 103,000. And for this one, are these two separate things? Oh, yeah. That was the one MDM1. Mhm. We
have ones for veterans exemptions and we might have a reimbursement amount in total of 5778,000ish. Yeah. Do we have one copy of that? Oh, it's two of the motor vehicle exemptions. And
here and for the motor vehicle exemption, that's just exemption amount. That's not reimburseable, right? Which one are you looking at? MVE. Oh, um, it says reimbursement at the top
where 12. Oh, sorry. Okay. So, 12, 142 $142. So it was 103 + 50 something plus 12. So
nearly $200,000 back. Yeah. From the state. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Just an update on that. And I do have um anything that we need to sign yet? Yep, I do. I have. Darn. I brought three pens this week. Oh, good.
Good. Last time my pen died. This is an invoice for the postcards uh for the cyclicals. Uh we did want to comment. We got credited $500, but we are definitely over that because we've
got 190 here plus got to be a good 300 in postage I would say uh from the beginning of when we started and then if I have to replace our door hangers that's going to be additional cost. So where costs are
definitely going to exceed what we had. So there was a just for those folks out there, whoever might be listening, we had a contract with a company to do these cyclical in cyclical inspections. Um it included some
notification, but their their definition of notification was to tell people after they had been there. Yeah. So we decided determined that it that doesn't make any sense that notification should occur before anyone
goes out to your property. So we've incurred the cost of doing those notifications. They did give us a credit but apparently it's not quite sufficient to fulfill what we are spending and we'll have to be really careful on how
the contract gets written next time. Can we go back to them and notify them? uh of the cost. Yeah, I can do that. I can get a a total amount. Once we come up with the total amount, it be okay to
go back to them and just say, you know, by the way, yeah, uh I did get an invoice from them for the first part of it, which I feel is unacceptable because these are the three
pages. It says project uh 25% completion uh says retainage 10% 33% completion but there's no numbers. I want more data so I'm not approving I don't think we
should approve this invoice until we get more data that you want us to sign that. Yeah, if you could sign that one. Okay. So this is a invoice for the postcards, right? Uh for $190. [Music]
Our signature is our vote. 2025. Having a moment. That's okay. I didn't put 19 anything this year, did they? I just wanted to show you that invoice from vision just for reference because I don't think it doesn't really tell us
how many were done. Well, it say 25% done. Well, it says 25% completion and retainage and then data entry printing printing 33%. Yeah, but we don't data entry. What's what what's the data entry printing mean? Uh the
data entry isn't supposed to be completed until the end of the project. So, a lot of that doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand. So, they're just saying we're entering this as we're going. Yeah. So, we're 35, but they're not because we we have the cards. So, I don't know. But they haven't done that
yet. They haven't done that in your opinion. No, the data entry is supposed to be done after they're completed. So, completion is June. Uh probably the first week of July. They anticipate being complete with the first phase. I
did get a an email from a contact that I deal with for with vision and she said that uh they were going to be sending more cards. So what they do is they send us the the property record cards before the inspector comes out and she was
printing out commercial cards and I said there's no reason to print out commercial because we're not doing the commercial to till the third year. She said no these were comments from do so I don't know what that means. I haven't seen anything, but I guess we'll find out. So, that just seemed a little
Wouldn't we know about the comments from Dior? Yeah, I'm kind of curious to see what what's sent, but I'll let you know when when I receive in our contract. Did we say the first year's residential? We did. Okay. Yeah. So, they shouldn't be touching the commercial. Yeah. We don't want the commercial inspected until the
third year, right? I just thought I had a copy that. Yeah. Well, just trying to Did you wind up with my copy of the directors the other day?
Uh, I have one. I brought one. So, if you want to reference it. Where's the That's an extra copy. Mine the copy you gave me is downstairs, but that's an extra copy that I brought that I had. The director's Oops. I'm sorry. You can read. It's okay. Just I can see it. Can
you pass those back, Jack? Trying not to. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. It doesn't say when. Um, correct. So, it would be up to our contract. There's no there's no directive for commercial from the state. Yeah. To do commercial
particular time comments are coming from, but I got more Yep. You can look at the directives if you'd like. Those you you've already seen them, I'm sure, at the website at
the gateway. And the inspector has a lot to do between now and yeah, we don't want him wasting time on commercial commercial at this time. Right. We're actually We were just checking to make sure the directives doesn't really
say anything about doing commercial now. Yeah. Denise and I are actually trying to do a lot more of the commercial. Uh-huh. Yeah. So, thank you. Any other bills, invoices, or things for
us to ignore? I appreciate hearing about that though. It's um I I do think it's important to have our contractors monitored. Yeah. Right. I do too.
Um neighborhood site index plan for do directive. Yep. Well, we actually got that uh capital request approved during town meeting. Well, it wasn't a capital request. Well, it it was a special project. I guess was a special project
request which I think it was article 9 that was new to us that it was not going to be a capital. Yeah, that was in fact interesting. It um wound up as a separate article for special projects which this is. Yeah. So I would have
supported this. I didn't know about it but personally I would have supported this. I thought it was in the capital plan right along. Yeah. No one mentioned it but it was approved. And so we have our first installment available to us to make the
corrections, review and and improve the the neighborhoods. So and uh as if you've been in our office, you will see that Denise actually has already started. She's mapped out uh some of the neighborhoods and she's
already started on that and we're we're getting ready to go. She's pulled some sales. So, we're we're starting to get started on that. We will be starting. We have to inspect obviously these neighborhoods. So, and the the state did
tell us to pay a special attention to one and three. Yep. Mhm. So, we will be paying some special attention to one and three. It happens to be that uh one has been near and dear to people's hearts. So, we're working on that as we speak.
But three three is hot on its heels. Yeah. because three is also as problematic. Well, three is at the top of my list. Yeah, three is at the top of my list. There's too many properties in that one neighborhood. And for those who don't know, for those
who don't know, uh anything that has a one on it, any of the neighborhoods site indexes that have a one are lakefront, considered lakefront today. Uh anything that is three is part of basically all other because we have two uh a couple
other neighborhoods two 4 and five that are much much smaller. Uh neighborhood 3 has over 3,000 parcels in it. Doesn't feel like a neighborhood from that perspective. Um and none of the other ones have even a thousand. Most of the
other ones have just a couple hundred. So clearly the dispersion of our neighborhoods doesn't make any sense. We have neighborhoods that are on very heavily traveled streets and we have neighborhoods that are in culde-sacs and they're all neighborhood three. So it
needs to be revised. It's uh it has deteriorated since it was formed. I don't think it the neighborhoods have been reviewed in 30 years. Maybe lot. We haven't re been
reassigned. That's for sure. Fair. So, is there anything else you want to explain about that? No, I think you captured it. It's uh you know, you got some culde-sacs that uh are certainly more protected and better areas in a lot of
cases, wooded areas. Uh then you've got culde-sacs that are sitting in the middle of the town. They're just little streets. So this is going to be interesting how they classify them and and they're continually changing as well as well as the traffic patterns and things like that. Right. So this is a this is a good
one. So is Deni is Denise working with Reena and you on that? Yeah, we've been starting. You might want to speak up for the crowd. Is Denise working Oh, is Denise and Reena um working with you on that? Yeah. Oh, yep. Yeah. Reena was a
big help with the I said the crowd. Yeah. as well. But no, we we wanted to get started on that because we have so much to do and Denise just had asked, "Can I start that?" I said, "Yeah, if you want to start mapping that out, just So, what
is she mapping?" Uh, she took all of the uh the lakes and she actually went through the maps and pieced it all together and has all the sight indexes indicated on that. Oh, is she doing it on paper? On paper. Yeah. Okay. And is
she applying definitions to help people understand it? Well, we haven't gotten to that point yet. We're just kind of in the beginning stages, right? And she's basically colorcoded 1B's versus the one A's versus the ones so that she knows. So that's as they exist today. Yeah. So
she you can easily pick out one. Oh, this one doesn't look like it fits in with the others. Why is that? Is there something going on with that piece of property or not? So that can work, but that's a really time consuming way to do it. Yeah, it'd be good to get a um
download of the vision file with all the materials or all of the information on it and then it can be sorted sorted and colorcoded and no time. Yeah. Right.
We do plan on doing that. And then I mentioned in the uh last meeting we had that there is that sales comparison option that we're going to actually start utilizing to try to see if we can come up with Vision has functions that we don't
haven't historically used. Yeah. Um Reno is able to um export a file right from that with no problem. Right. Um and and that I think would be a good place to start. Of course, I love paper maps, but
like put in a frame behind you on Yeah, that's I have them in my office at home. It's just um it's a lot of work to color code all those. And if you can have a computer do it for you, you'll be that much further ahead, right? Okay.
So, we're going to hope hopefully get started. We need to stop. We've already started. We have started, but we've got to start. Trying to be clear for anybody that's watching, we have started. We have started and and now we have some funding to get us into next year to to do some more of the bulk of the work.
Our concern is that with the weather, we need to try to start inspecting some of these neighborhoods while we have the nice weather before the winter comes. So, we're going to hopefully uh come up with a plan to get started with that. So, we're just really in the beginning
stages at this point, but um maybe the next meeting I can ask Reena to she was going to give us an update and I know she's been working on some stuff. So, maybe the next meeting she can come if she's available and give us an update. I think that's what we agreed to at the last meeting this 19th I believe. Next
meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the 21st actually is our next meeting. 21st May of May. Yep. I can't actually make that state. We may we may need to revise the date. Okay. All right. Uh we on to reading your vision card.
Yes. I actually tried to go in and make those changes and I didn't have a lot of the same costs. I I'll tell you what I was able to change. I know Brian thought maybe we should keep it generic just to update
that. But I did change everything that you had in yellow that I could change because all of those numbers are related to um the fiscal year information a specific year and I I don't have that
data. You have it right in vision. Yeah. So the um the land costs I have them but it was in a a table that I couldn't edit. I think it might have been copied from uh some kind
of another document. So I it I wasn't able to edit those but I do have those costs. Is it a picture? It was the picture. I think it was inserted. Did you just make a table and um yeah clip it and put it in? I could do that, but uh I did change the the neighborhood site indexes with the the new
[Applause] multipliers. I was able to do that. Uh I went in and changed the uh the styles of the um homes. For some reason, I don't have a 30 vision did not
give me a a camp base rate in the data that they provided from the interim. So, I need to find out what that is. Uh, they I thought camp was the one we added. Yeah, we added Is there is is there there may be some reason that they didn't update. I don't know. They have
it as a a code 36. Last year's base rate was 70. So, I need to find that out. We definitely added a camp. We did. Yeah. So, one of our big accomplishments [Music] way back when and um the last uh all the
condo factors, complex factors, they did not provide that data. So, I need to find that out from from the report that she got didn't include any information that we thought we should have gotten. So, she's gonna have to go back and ask for it. So, uh all these condo factors I
I wasn't able to update. Now having said that, Linda mentioned that maybe we should make this more timeless and just put I'm fine with data and say as an example and then say it will be updated for whatever year you need if you come out
and take a look at our website at your uh your vision card you that data will be on there. I'd really like to make it more timeless so it doesn't have to be updated every year. Fine with that. Um I just don't know if how how easily that can be done based upon what we have
right now. But I think it's fairly easy. Yeah. And and the other thing too is actually I think Oh, sorry. Go ahead. It Oh, sorry. It's it's good to have that data though because Uhhuh. I wish that they did provide the condo because we we really do need that. We should know
that, right? And I'm sure if I call support Yeah. they'll be able to We don't want to run into a situation where we don't know what it was the previous year. Right. So I like I I don't think we need to put that out on the web page as new each year, but we should have that data each year in the office.
Definitely. And maybe not not how to read your vision card, but somewhere else and say here's where this resides. Yeah. And you can have access to it. And so we need to think about how to do that for the for the website, I think. So that way we can keep the how to read
your vision card separate from oh, here's where the actual data is. last updated in 2025. No problem. And then we have the other data, right? Yeah. If I if I could. Your microphone is not near your mouth. Just try to go again. I just
gets me gets in the way. It's just talk that way. You're talking this way anyway. You'll get it last time. Anyway, uh two things if I could. We always refer to everything. We tell people go look at your property card, right? But now we're saying go
look at your vision card. It's It's your vision property card. Does it say vision property card on it? It just says property, doesn't it? I mean vision card. Well, your property record say vision property card on it. I That's You're right. It's getting jargony, right? Yeah. This says this
says how to read your vision card, but it should be say vision since we only are publishing now. We got rid of the CI cards. Yeah. It can just be property card. Yep. Good. Good. Good, good call. Listen people, what? What's that? Excellent point. Property card.
Okay. So, we want to take vision out. By the way, first of all, I think you did a great job no matter what. I actually love those data tables that you put in there. I I know I know I know you want to make it for last forever, but I thought, "Oh, this is really good because now all that information is in
one stream and people don't have to go out and try and find the others." And I thought, you know what? If they can see that, they're going to have a higher level of confidence that what they're seeing on their final number, their tax number, works in relationship to the
property that they have. And I I love the the classifications and I thought that was really good. I I I walked away with that saying that's that was a a nice improvement that occurred. So, I really liked it and Sarah, I appreciate
you put it in there and I know it tech work, but if not, otherwise we're going to have to be updating it, tell them to go see another file and they're going to have to go find it on the website someplace and it's just this is a just a nice easy to read document and it makes
sense. So, it does and I like it. The the issue is this is your instruction. Yeah. It's not the source of your data. And if you use this as a source of your data, you're liable to when we don't get a chance to update it or it hasn't been
updated yet to have the wrong data. So I really want the instruction manual to be just that generic as opposed to timestamped. Yeah. So maybe because it does take additional time to update it. It does. If you put an index
in the back and you just But we could say we could um we could have a report of that data. Sure. Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a really good idea. Go see that. I I I Here's the 2026 data. Here's the 2027 fiscal year. Here's 2028.
Right. Because I I would like to be able to see that really easily without reading it every time. Yeah. Because I I know what that says. I I didn't write that whole thing. I got it from conquered and then I altered it for our needs. You benchmarked. That's how you lifted. That's okay. That's what you
want. I can request that from vision when they do our interim that to make sure that they know that we have this information and you know that is specifically just for residential and condos. I would like to have something like that for commercial. Yeah. Not the not the how to read the card, but I'd
like that information. Like I liked what we got from um Reval. Yeah. Uh, I thought that was extremely comprehensive and if we're updating commercial values and rates, I would like to see that every year, too. Yeah. Yep. That makes
sense. I felt weird not to get that this year. I think it is help. We don't get everything in a cyclical year that we'd get in a 5year reval. So, yes, but if there are changes, I want to know what they are, right? I mean, the land value
curve did change, right? the commercial, some of the condos changed. Yep. I think some of the commercial changed. We should know that it should be it should be there. You know, were we to ask the question of vision, we get the answer,
but we should they should be furnishing the answer before we have to ask. I mean, if if they're going to send if they're going to contract with us, we should Yep. get that information. They did give us the median uh values of like
three families. Uh they did give data uh I just don't have a lot of costing data especially of I have the median of all of the complexes condo complex the sixth of them but I don't have it for all of them. Yeah. You can call me
oldfashioned but I want a report. Yeah. Yeah. I want a report. You're old fashioned that I can pick up, read, understand, and be done. Yep. You're right. Thank you very much. Good job. And I want it so we can put it on the
web page so everybody knows what it is. Right. Easy access. Mr. Rabbit, anything else to add to this conversation? This is this is great. Nice work. Okay. Uh, thanks for updating it, Linda. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah. I just wish I had everything. Well, you'll get the rest of
it for probably next meeting because Vision has that stuff. Yeah. I'm gonna ask I'm gonna reach out to my Trello and ask if that can be provided. Either that or I'll call support and I'm sure support will be able to assist us with that also. So I'm
not sure we should ask if they can be provided. Just ask them to provide it. Yeah. Yeah. They work for us service. We do. I mean they work for us. Yeah. Anyway, invoiced. Thank you. And we will
be invoiced. Anyway, uh town meeting clause 41 and 17, assets, income level, adjustments, exemption, warranty, every warrant. Everything was passed. Um now it's just got to go through through the formal review
process. Uh once Kathy has submitted it all, it'll have to go through legal, etc. But I think we're in okay shape. We'll see. Yeah. One of the reasons as we know that we sort of separated into steps was to not have one thing hold up the rest of the stuff. This was kind of
like the the last step. One of the comments that I was going to make later on was a thank you to Mr. Rabbit for bringing the uh situation that we had with our exemptions to our forefront. Um our
exemptions had not been reviewed in a long time. literally decades. Uh our our our limits of our assets and income and the exemptions amounts and all that stuff had not been reviewed in in forever. And
um this wouldn't have occurred without you. Well, actually, it wasn't me. It was Well, it was you. It was you cuz I fought with you a lot about it. But thank you. We had the council agent Deb come forward to us fairly early
early on if you recall and say we don't know how to address anything that's going on and the senior's piece we need we need some help. That's what precipitated let's go take a look at. Did she come to you? She didn't come to us. She came to uh this board. Nope.
Before weren't you there? No. When Okay. I think it kind of started what was on the wall. Mhm. So talk about what the the wall. No, no, it was what he he was indicating that someone from council on aging came to this group and not since any of us have been here. Okay. But they
asked for help and that is what you know near and dear my heart of course because Jane would break my leg if I weren't. But no no uh it was just a function of okay that got me interested in going through wow this this is something that we need to be doing and that's what caused us to go pushing in that
direction. Yep. and and uh we've made great progress. Thanks. No. And thanks to the whole team. This is a team. We we we got there because you were like a dog with a bone. Thank you. That is a fair statement.
An accurate statement too. So thank you. No, thank you. Thank you. But I I I am happy that we can talk to our seniors and say here's what this is. Yeah. And this is for you. Additionally, you know, a former select board member
and a nearly former select board member were able to bring some legislation that gives another break to those people who are trying to stay in their homes in in in fa in the face of huge inflation to the values of their properties. Oh yeah.
So, you know, we're doing what we can. Um, there are some things that we can't do, but there are some things things we can. So, but the exemptions are a critical part of taking care of the whole community. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we're not done. I mean, in terms of
we still have some finish work to go, even though the process on the deferral, you know, we outlined some stuff, but we haven't had a chance to walk it through yet to see what we really have and what do we have to do. So it's not Yes, check but take the compliment.
Well, and on top of that, we need to finish up what our process is going to be so that we'll be ready for September 3rd. Yeah. Yeah. And that I sent over the uh exemption well the the means tested flyer that I did and um Tom
Alonzo is actually going to do a little brochure on that. a folding brochure, three-fold brochure perhaps. That'd be great. And I also sent him the application, the means tested application from Westfit. And it's
perfect because it automatically it's it kind of takes you through and if you don't if you haven't gotten the circuit breaker, stops right there. So, it doesn't it's kind of follows the whole process, right? And then it stops. So the person will know automatically when
they fill out the application whether or not they qualify based on that and it has some of the limitations on it. So great progress. So hopefully we'll be able to and Lou as well. Oh, thank thank
goodness that we had the help of a a former select board member and a nearly former select board member. Right, Tom? Um, tomorrow's last meeting, right? Uh, maybe two.
Um, that's all that was on the formal part of the agenda. Uh, anything that was postponed topics that we didn't talk about. Actually, one of the things we had on there before was board of assessors policies, and I was hoping that at some point we would come up with kind of a format for how we do those
policies. Uh, we haven't been able to do that. So when you're when you're when you're no longer on the board, if you want to still advise us that if you still want to advise me, you know, I will every two no matter what. Now that talk to us, feel free. Yes. You ever
have coffee with a guy, we're both charging on the same and we can't say anything to give each other an update or anything like that. It drives you nuts. So you'll be on the next uh charter review team so that you can increase the size of this committee to five, right?
Oh god. Yeah. We're having trouble getting three. Could you change from meeting to not be on Saturday? You didn't work the three to death. You get the five. Yeah. But anyway. Okay. Oh, just a quick question, Mr.
Chairman, with regard along the same vein of conversation. Uh I'm assuming that I can continue with the uh means testing representative as a means testing representative. Uh because
that's how I get what's into it. Okay. The mean testing program that Linda's got. Yeah. I get assigned to work on it. Uh Tom Oh. Oh, you mean while once you're no longer on the board to wrap up? Yeah. How do I get approved?
My expectation would be that um I would really like to ask you to help wrap that up. I I would love to, but I don't know if it has requires uh the uh select person's approval or how does that really work? We we put together this
committee. Okay. Um we asked for a select board member and and and a former applicant, no, developer, whatever. Um and so we we basically laid out and you can if
you so choose be the Cessor's representative to the committee as is obviously as is Linda because um but if I would really like you to stay until you guys wrap up and I'm thinking you're going to be wrapping up
sooner rather than later. Yeah. Yeah. We're just waiting on the final uh I I think at this point we're one one thing you still need to do for us is come up with the recommended amounts
for what will qualify. Yeah. We um we actually did well we can talk about that you know at a late I I it's not on our agenda right now but it's just one of those things I want to remind you and I'd really like to make sure it's on the agenda next time perhaps next time. Yes. Yeah. We had talked about the the
minimum for assets. Yep. Uh and then we also all those amounts we can I actually used the vision uh the median. They had a 540,000 median for the average single family home. You can propose those to us
when we meet next. Propose that. You don't need to propose them to us tonight. Okay. Cuz I didn't ask you to prepare that tonight and we're not ready to talk about it. Uh so there'll be that plus you had figured out how many if we
went to uh 1% of the tax levy, how many people we could support at 100%. That was what was the number was it's a pretty straightforward number. I think it wasund yeahund I don't I don't have the exact amount but in the range of 120. So if
you all you do is take the tax levy which is 33 million or whatever the heck it was. I think it's well it did I'm just throw just mentioned it at town meeting. I think it was like 30 31 million and throwing out numbers. It would be great if we get those numbers and recommendations um right a couple of
days before the meeting so we can review them and have some thoughts about them and and if the total max payout is 2370 how many people could we support at max payout which is a pretty easy number to come up with I think it's just like 130ish but anyway you'll bring all that
stuff to us next time and if you get them out about the same time the draft of the agenda needs to go out that's like that's all the Okay, perfect. Thanks. Cuz I I want to be able to give comments and Yeah, it's hard when I haven't looked at the data.
If I could, there's a there's a process associated with this and essentially if we end up with 40 or so that's essentially someone's going to have to go through and review the forms and make sure they in fact qualify. Sure. And then have to play with some numbers to
see does it fit and what could that number be? Are you going to do a hearing with these people? So, so my point was just to get an idea of how many people if we had applicants up to 130, then we know we can spend all
of the money. Yeah. Because we if the applications are much less than that, then we know we will spend up to the max. If the applications are more than that, we can figure out what that's going to be. You you're really talking about the process later on when the applications come in to to qualify folks
and that needs to be done, too. But that's not what we were focused in on at there's a lot of whole layer. I mean and that's why we have almost two months to do that. Yeah. I think September first week of September to September somewhere
around the first week in November because we really have to have that classification hearing. Yeah. Yes. Right around the end of November. Yep. Uh and in fact, I went to see the watch the uh what do assessors do things from the
17th. Um they had actually a a a calendar laid out there and they showed the tax rate being set by November 1st, which means you'd have to do the classification hearing in October. We haven't been
that successful yet to get it done sooner, but we've usually been done by the mid late November usually once because there one prior that was postponed. But um I'd really like to maybe target us to have something so
we'd have a classification hearing late October, have a tax rate by November 1st. That means we'd have to do all of the reviews that Mr. rabbit is talking about between the la first week of September and the middle of October, right? Which is like six weeks, we
should be able to do it, but and we have a full staff. So, I'd really like that, too. I think it would be helpful for the town making a budget. Oh, it definitely would be. And I mean, a lot that would be great. I am all for having the
classification earlier, but the uh accountant has actually has to have all the numbers in as well because that's the big thing is I need the levy number to do the the hearing. So that's the I need those numbers to Mhm. provide that.
So yep, that would be the only hold up. But if we can So if we can set the expectation up front that here's here's what our account looks like and here's our dependency on you. Can you have this by this date? Is there some reason why you can't? Yeah. Yeah. And if if you
can't, okay, but please explain that to us and the town manager. Thank you. [Music] Is that enough on that subject? Okay. Uh we do need to talk about upcoming meetings. Uh Miss Cameron can't
make May 21st. She may be the only member here that that is if I don't get elected. [Music] Um Debbie can only prove you better elect. You better get elected. Somebody will be elected. I could do so
if it's just I have a conflict with a special event. Um I could do the Monday. Oh, I could do the Thursday.
Oh, the I can't do the 22nd. I could do which? The 22nd. The Thursday. I could do the 19th though. That Monday if that works. Uh May 19th. May 19th. Uh will that work? So I'm not This one's an off schedule because we're typically
doing Wednesdays. We're doing Monday. I'm not meaning to push you to Mondays. No. No. Well, all the end of the year, we may need to revise the our schedules at some point anyway, but yeah, for the for the uh upcoming meeting, if we could move it to May
19th as a date. Yeah. Okay. And whoever gets elected for the one-year term can be here. You're gonna have at least one vote. Whoever gets appointed to the three-year
term or elected um hopefully can make it as well. So, let's set it up for the the 19th. And we should see if Reena can make that. Oh, yeah. Cuz I think she's going to do the update. Yep. I will check uh with her.
Tell her my apologies. Yep. No problem. I need to check and make sure a room is available. Hopefully this room will be available probably with uh Ellen. Um the tentative dates that we you had proposed were June
June 11th and July 16th. Those are both Wednesdays. Uh yes, they are. June 11th shouldn't be a problem for me. If I'm still around, June 11th shouldn't be a problem for me. Okay. July 16th
might be. We have family in from out of town in July. I I can't make the 60. You can't make it. So, I could zoom, I guess. Well, whatever. I mean, if you need to move it, we can revise that as we know more. Okay. We're just going to Are we going to go to one meeting over
the summer? That was our policy last year, I think. June, July, and August. You don't get a vote. You can you can vote because you're here at the meeting. So, that's okay. Uh I would suggest that uh it makes sense to move to once a month during the summer. We're not doing
abatements. We're not doing nearly as many motor vehicle. We're not doing uh any of the prep for the the uh senior means tested means base test means whatever it is called. Yeah.
Um, and you know, it should be able to and that'll give you time to do some of the inspections and stuff that you really want to spend some time on. Yeah. And we we actually need to focus on the growth, too, as well. Well, that's Yes, that's true. That's that's one thing
that uh we haven't had too much time to do. So, we're trying to get focused back on that again because we do need that number. uh we need to class well finish by to get percentage complete on new construction by June 30th. So one of the things I'd like to be able to take care
of this summer if I'm still here is I'd like us to be able to put together criteria for clause 18 that criteria may make it difficult for some people to apply for it but but that's the way it is. Um it's rarely
used but it should be available to us as a town. Okay. Um, we'll be finalizing I think some of the other stuff, but there's really nothing huge. So, if we can use that, I'll call it downtime. It's not downtime. If we can
use that downtime to focus in on getting that done, that'd be great because then we have it documented. So, we're not any closer to a meeting in July yet. We're not any closer to a meeting in July yet. Um, I I know I'm going to be traveling. Um, but I am available the week of
um July 7th. Fair enough. You are I'm also I I have family in from Florida for almost the entire month of July. So that means I could do an evening if I have to. And we don't have to. I but
will if I need to. If I'm still here, if we need to make uh if we're trying to do once a month, we might need to come up with a right a date. If I recall right, uh we didn't have that many meetings this last summer. We had one a month. Yeah. And I think that worked out really
well. Yeah, that's what we're doing. Uh it's just we may be having trouble finding a meeting time in July. I did want to mention uh I am beginning and the end for me signed up for the uh assessor conference the summer
conference on uh June 23rd. Yeah. Those are never held in Hyannis or any place like that are they? Uh Plymouth. Yeah. So 20 the 23rd uh through the 26th. Jul June. June. And I will be taking the week before off. Well, actually that
Monday I've got to I've also have to take some continuing ed classes. I have 14 hours to take uh in the next month and a half. So, and you have PTO to use up and I have some time to use up before
July 1st. So, I will be uh trying to schedule that in in between my continuing it and trying to get everything done. It's it it just came up so fast at the end of well time period. So yes it did. Yes. So
I'm trying to find some availability of classes too which is difficult but I will get it done. Does the assessor's conference count at all? Uh maybe one of them might maybe you can
get cus or Yeah. That's what I do like about it is some of the classes uh they're state approved which you say the dates they do several in the summer. Yeah, the dates of the conference are the 20th uh 23rd through the 26th
and they actually have uh one of the uh sessions is on battery storage facilities which I know we have coming up here so that should be very informative. Cool. We'll have many questions on that. That's something that we need to know.
Yeah. How do you assess that? Yeah. Is that what's going in the Yeah, Le Shirley Road. I I'm not I think it's going in that big building. I think that's what's proposed. Yeah. And that's mandated.
Well, I'm sure that when you walked across the hall to the planning board. Oh, wait a minute. We We have to c walk across the street. It's a dangerous street, man. Um but we could we could reach out to the planning board and get a better idea what's going
on there. I'm not sure it's that much impact on us right now. Yeah. But it will be at some point. It will be coming up. Absolutely. And I got to tell you, Danice and I uh went to a facility a couple weeks ago and we had to cost out
a wash tower and it was funny. We we ended up we did a little bit of research, but uh we had the help of vision to help us put that in. So, that's one thing that, you know, we're starting to go through some of the the commercial. We've got to go
back to this property, but um just to make sure that everything is on the card correctly because they don't have any personal property cuz they're a manufacturer. So, if it's a fixed, then it counts as real estate,
not so in this instance, it it was attach attached to the property. Do you happen to know what kind of batteries? Um, yeah, it's going to be the lithium back. Um, I have the brochure downstairs that describes it
because I mean, one of the major issues with green energy is trying to find a way to to store it so it's reliable. Yep. Yeah. And I I know that uh fire is actually a concern, but I guess the way these are designed, it would just be
within self-contained. Yeah. And turn it off, apparently. Like all those like uh server stations that the mass computers where you go in it and says if there's a fire they're going to close the room and you're going to die.
Yeah. Oh, the surpression system will kill you. Yes. It won't kill everybody. Just you. Just you if you're down. Um okay. I'm going to open this up for any public comments.
Can we see anybody on Zoom still? Not probably not. Nope. I don't see that. No public any any board comment. Mr. Adam, any further? No, not right now. I was just going to say happy last meeting. Yeah, happy last meeting. It's there's a
lot of melancholy that goes along with this. Well, I got I'm sure you'll be back around. I'll do whatever I can to help, but I'm not voting going for election again. We're not doing is you say that. However, no, I'll
tell you when we go to executive session, I'll give you more insight. We No, that's not what executive session is for or about. We we have this we're not going to be doing we get the audience to leave the room. We can do that. Speaking of which,
um I do want to thank you. I know sometimes we are on opposite sides or we are talking through contentious issues. Um we don't always agree on stuff but that's the that's what makes these committees work. Um I thank you for your
effort. I thank you for your advocacy even though I think advoc advocacy most of the time is wrong from this role. It isn't wrong for you. it isn't wrong for us as citizens and people. So, you
continue to be the advocate and I think moving into an advocacy role is exactly right for you. Um, you kept us challenged on making sure that there's documentation. Well, documentation is important. So, you're
absolutely right. making sure that we have uh a that we have a vision in sight and keep charging toward that. So that's one of the things that I think has made you so valuable to this committee and thank
you very much for your efforts chairman. Thank you. You know and I really do believe that diver with a diversity you always get a better result and you want that kind of stuff. Yep. And uh and I know Brian, you and I have sometimes I'm
going to kill him. I'm going to kill him. But the thing mean sometimes sometimes all the time. And uh but as I've shared with you personally and my you and I have been friends for 30 years now. Yeah. A
lot. How many? 50. 40. 40. 40. Yeah. I've lived here. Oh, that's right. I met you. 40 years. and my friendship with you is much more important than whatever little point we get across in any given night, honestly. And so, I appreciate you and I really appreciate Sarah and
Linda. You're a blessing. You're a major blessing that was given to us. So, honestly, you guys are great and I'm going to I'm going to kind of miss you, but I'm going to still be a pain in the butt as long as I can be. So, there we go. Thank you and thank you very much and uh for being kind. With that, I will
call for a motion to retire to executive session, adjourn this meeting, the open session, and retire to executive session. So, who would like to read the thing? There's only one person that really knows the wording. Well, oh,
stop. Motion we to enter into executive session. Um, adjourning open meeting to enter executive session. not to return to open session after exiting executive session under purpose 7 to comply with or act under the authority of any general or special law or federal grant
and aid requirements. This executive session quote is for applications for abatement or exemption under this chapter shall except in proceedings before the county commissioners, the appelllet tax board or court of the commonwealth be open only to the inspection of the assessors, the
commissioners, the deputies, clerks and assistance of either the assessors or the commissioner and such other officials are designated private auditors of the commonwealth as chapter 59 section 60 of the Massachusetts general law as the law being cited. like
to second that. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I thank you all. We can um shut off the uh what do you call it? TVs. Shut off the recordings. We'll shut
down the Zoom. Um turn off the microphones.