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or fire aim recording. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Uh welcome to the board of assessors meeting of July 1st, 2026 being held here at the Ritter building lower level. Um in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law. Please be advised this meeting is being recorded

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and broadcast over over the Lunberg public access channel on Facebook live on the Facebook access page which is httpswww.fas. facebook.com/lunberg-public-access-cable-157427270-975305/ recording can also be found at the Lunberg access YouTube channel which is there's actually a channel for the board

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of assessors on YouTube after the meeting likely tomorrow. Uh, additionally, please be advised that the town of Bloomberg utilizes the Zoom platform as a host for its hybrid remote meetings. Unfortunately, today we don't have our Zoom up and running. So, I'm going to skip the next part of the Zoom

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thing. Uh, the meeting will be held in the at the meeting will be held in person at the location provided in this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an option for remote attendance is and/or participation is

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being provided as courtesy to the public, the meeting will not be suspended nor terminated if technological problems interrupt the virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by law. So, we're going to forge ahead. Members of the public with a particular interest in any specific

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item on this agenda should make plans for inerson versus virtual attendance accordingly. I'm not going to read the rest of the Zoom stuff either. Uh the agenda lists all topics which may be discussed at the meeting and those reasonably anticipated by the chair.

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Votes may be taken as a result of these discussions. Not all items listed may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion. To the extent permitted by the open meeting law. The agenda lists all topics

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which may be discussed. Did I just do that? No. Yes, I did. [laughter] Um, and I'll call the meeting to order if everyone could introduce themselves. Starting to my >> Sarah Cammer, >> Karen Barrett, >> Reena Swecy,

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>> Bryant Moskin, and Bryant Lefond. Uh, I will opening comments from the board. Are there any comments from the board? Uh, there's no public on Zoom. Uh, is there any comment from the public at

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large? None. Hearing none. Let's move on. [laughter] Uh, we're going to be re reviewing a bunch of minutes. Um, I was not able to do any minutes. So,

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I'll get more of them done after. I can't really start them till the 24th. So, hopefully by August 5th, we should have several [clears throat] sets of them done. Uh, are there any executive session minutes? I don't believe so at the moment.

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>> I don't. Okay. Uh, current business then update on the neighbor neighborhood review project. I'd like to introduce Reena Swezy who introduced herself. >> This looks like some data. >> We love data. >> Yes, we do.

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>> Thank you, ma'am. So I've been this print out of the data. These are the neighborhoods and it's on the deck as well. Goes over sheet and

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it continues. I guess that's the last column for this. But um I've been trying to use the same parcels every time I go in and play with the

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factors and looking at the sales. So that's why um you know I've got all these on here cuz these are the ones I've been using right along. Some from Wayland, some from Shirley, um some from um Hickory Hills.

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And a what I the one thing I really wanted to do was anything in site index one. I didn't want the value to drop down on that one. And at first it was broken down by about 50 $60,000 in value. So that's why I

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continued to look at the factors. [clears throat] Um, I'm going to leave everybody on the three light lakes as a waterfront in site index one and their factor for that is going to be a 2.0. Then the seven

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neighborhoods, as it turned out from the sales I reviewed, it really is no difference. So, I'm going to leave the sub neighborhoods as a 1.85. So instead of the 3.7 as it was, it comes up to 3.75.

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Not a big difference, but what that did was keep anybody on index one at the same value the land has been for the last 3 years because we would have lost too much money, you know, property

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obviously more in sight index one, >> right? Yeah. And um that 50 is $60,000 a parcel. Um but now anybody >> So just to be clear, we wouldn't have lost any money. We would have dropped valuations.

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>> Right. Right. >> Below the 95% target that we have. >> Yeah. Right. So um the the um site you know anybody that's in a one or one they are going to go up but >> I don't like the

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>> um unfortunately you know there is only I think site 2 hasund 180 has 168 crosses and one has 31 crosses. itself, but they're all going

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to be brought up to a site index one. So, every leak is going to be treated >> the same. >> So, all these touch the water. >> Yes. >> That's why they're >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yes. >> And I've been I have to go into each

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parcel individually >> because I have to physically change the 101 to a 1031 whatever it is. It's waterfront property, >> so their their um site index is gonna

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say waterfront. >> Um [clears throat] and um I haven't looked yet at like little hickory half of that's in some of it they're ones a half is index four and

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they both touch the water. >> So you know it's things like that. But I'm going to I unfortunately I don't have any sales on on that little one. >> Great. >> Yeah. But um what I'm going to try to go

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by is there was one sale on Mass Masipog and even if I keep the man value pretty close to what it was the way inside index one until something else on one of these cells at least that way um evaluation is going to be consistent.

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So that's what um this is I've been using like I said the same all and I do it by pig number I don't do it by address. So I've been going back and forth into these same prices trying different

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>> you know different um factors on and I really feel comfortable where I am right now. Um, so, um, the other day I took a ride down to Hippley Hills cuz I want to look at all those little parcels on the water

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>> and I went at 5:00 and it was party central. >> I mean, there's gazeos and and docks and boats. So, those those I actually tried to give a waterfront to, but I'm going to have to

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leave those unbuildable. But I think I'm going to try to find a sub neighborhood that will fit the fact that they were on the water. Some of them were only valued at $200, >> right? >> But one particular parcel, what was

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that? $217,000. And it was just a >> It was right on the waterfront, >> but there's no building on it or just >> Yeah, there was gazeos there. >> Gazebo, but no no residents. >> No, the homeowner lives directly across the street.

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>> And um >> seems unreasonable. >> It is compared to all the rest of them. And I I don't know why that obviously is too high. Um, but it's almost like the

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land value on his home got mixed up because the land value on his home that looks out of lake is only $12,000. >> But the little one on the waterfront is $27,000 going on there. >> So there's something.

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>> So not only are we going to check fix the neighborhoods, we're going to have to have to fix some properties that are mislabeled. Yeah, >> that's >> and the reason I wanted to drive down there yesterday was, >> you know, when you're looking at a map, it's a lot different. So, I drove up all

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around and there's quite a few of them. I was surprised that these little parcels that are right on the lake. >> Yep. >> So, um I feels very comfortable now with [music] these side indexes.

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>> I'm sorry. I should have shut that off. Wow. Right. >> Probably this one. >> Just remind me to turn mine off. >> What's the Red Cross? They want my blood all the time. [laughter] >> Can you come? >> Somebody else wants >> I gave it here in town. [laughter]

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>> Um, when you're looking at those sites, you have the indexes. Are you also looking at like what's on the cards in terms of like easements? And >> I'm going between [clears throat] I'm I'm actually using my laptop and the one

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I have. So, I have Vision opened up on mine. The spreadsheets are on my laptop, but then I keep going back and forth between vision and GIS. So, I can see >> Oh, >> you know the sites. So, I'm looking and

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if there is something that was done by an abatement a factor for some reason other than maybe topography or something else. Right now, I'm not touching that, >> right? >> But um I'm sure that there will be abatements

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filed on the ones that go from 1 A and 1B up to the site index. >> Well, the other thing we probably ought to do is once once we've basically done all of this, go back to those 1Bs and actually look at them and see was there some other factor that we probably should have added >> outside of the the site index

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>> to explain it. >> Yep. Right. Because our our site indexes right now are the neighborhoods, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. And you said there's 32 bees, one bees [clears throat] or something like that. >> Yeah. >> So that's not >> 31.

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>> So that's not bad. >> And I know some of those are actually down on one of the fire roads. >> And I know that [clears throat] they're on the railroad line down there, the railroad tracks down there. >> So I know something was put on for

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those. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> And I don't want to take those off because that >> Yeah. >> The way to do this experiment is one variable at a time. So that's exactly right. >> Yeah. >> So I'm really comfortable cuz

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[clears throat] I it's like I you almost know these classes, but I've been in and out of them so many times. Y >> um and when I finally got the numbers to keep like on a side index one um if you

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look at um on a top sheet on 131 island >> came up exactly it was >> yeah [clears throat] >> is the the valuation >> so I you know they're used to paying that valuation so I don't want to go down

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>> no surprises Um, >> oh, I'm looking at the the pit right after that 248. It went down. >> Yeah, I I I knew why, but >> yeah. >> Okay. >> So, they're going to shift.

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>> So, things >> some will actually go down. So, >> some will go down and some will go up. >> Not unexpected. >> The majority of them though are pretty much >> And these are all of them, right? No, I just did a sampling like you know

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that's because um >> you know it's a lot when when I actually do go to change them and I don't want to do it until um [clears throat] probably around August only because I want it on the actual bill and I don't

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want to interfere with the preliminary bills going out. I want those to grow first because they're based on last year's values. >> Right. The first round of delivery stuff already come out. >> We want to wait till you didn't see yours. >> I received my >> Oh, yesterday the second round will have

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to go out and then right after this which >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. That makes sense. >> Is there some way >> you don't want to get involved with the address? >> Well, I want you [clears throat] values. I want their new values on the actual bills. That way, if they do have a complaint and they file an abatement,

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that's the time they can file. Right. So, >> so do you have some way to change them on mass? Meaning >> I know >> that don't mean mass a >> No, [laughter] I know Vision does have a mass update, >> but um I think going in and changing the

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land use codes that has to be done manually. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I could when I'm ready I'll call Vision and see if there is a mass update. Well, we're talking about several hundred properties in total, but >> yeah,

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>> uh like 400 [cough] all the weeks something. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Uh that's that's a lot of manual effort. If we can do any anyway, we can do automat automatically though. But if we can do anything automatically, then that piece gets done and she can actually >> get to the next the next step.

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>> Well, yeah. the um this summer I also want to work on three and Sarah to help me because that's got to be broken up. That's a huge one, >> right? Awesome. >> But I'm I'm feeling so comfortable now with the lake front. I wasn't for a

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while, but you know, >> we could tell [laughter] >> they give us an update and I go, "What did you just say?" Talking around in the circle. Okay, I get you. >> So, yeah. And if we find the differences, we'll be able it'll be easier to explain to >> I have a question. [clears throat] Could

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248 could that just be a typo? Because it's the exact same numbers just in a slightly different order. So could it just be 431 and 431 and it was just mixed up >> cuz it says 431 and then 134. >> Seems like the numbers are just like slightly rotated.

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>> I could have typed. >> That makes more sense to me. >> That makes more sense. Yeah. I [clears throat] will because they are all the same >> same numbers right slightly if it was you know twos and sevens maybe >> on the ones transposing what I really

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wanted to do was >> I didn't want them to drop down in value no they've been paying this valuation on the waterfront properties for three years now >> and then if you have a 50 or 60,000 >> there may be some that actually do drop but

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>> some as a shift. >> So, >> there are some actually I'm skimming this. There are some that are going down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, what about 455 road?

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>> Oh, yeah. [clears throat] >> That must have been just a key in there, huh? No, I I think there was >> cuz that's >> Yeah, >> I don't I'd have to look at the card to see cuz it was a one.

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>> No, it was >> Yeah, you can check on it, Mr. Back. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was a one. It stayed a while. I don't know how to check. >> So, [clears throat] other than that, um

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on the town road, the one I was looking at and um those I think after driving down that road, the majority of those should have a lake view.

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But I can't call it lake view lake >> adjacent [cough and clears throat] >> something accessory no like lake back or something like that >> right >> um >> a new neighborhood >> would that be a new neighborhood?

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>> Uh yes it is a new neighborhood. It will be a new neighborhood, >> but it won't be won't have enough properties to >> meaningful between the three licks >> there. There are quite a few of them on Hickory Hills, right? And quite a few on Lake Shirley, too. Yeah, you're probably

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right. I don't think there are very many of those on >> probably not Lake View >> ones that are >> the road back. So, they have one on the next road back. So they're across the street, but they own prop property on

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the lakeside as well. >> That little piece. >> So we have there's a little piece >> on the lake >> is right now on the lake front lake front, but it's biseected by a road. And then the next piece is not right now considered to be lakefront. >> So there's a road >> because it's not lake front.

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>> And the one I was >> there's a road in front of it, >> right? >> Yes. the one I was playing with with calling it like a lake back. Um it it went up about $20,000 >> which is [cough] [clears throat]

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but I think you know if you've got a house up here and you can see that lake >> I guess have to be >> I guess that's where I was getting to because Wham like they're building new condos. >> Mhm. >> Over there and now you have Lake View. So I guess that's what I'm wondering

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about. condo is not going to have any, [cough] >> right? [clears throat] >> No, that's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Absolutely true. >> And we can't tax lake view. We can only tax lake back. >> Yeah. >> Well, they're back and the lake has right back in Massachusetts. It's It's

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illegal. >> I know that. I know that. >> And I think when I I did all my legs over in [clears throat] Grant, all the three of them, two of them were small. That's what we put was lake front and lake back. >> If the sales support lake back as a

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neighborhood, then it should be done. >> Yeah. I really haven't found any sales yet. >> Okay. >> That's why [clears throat] I really only went to a factor on the sub neighborhoods at a 110. So, it's only a 10%. >> But unless there's been sales

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that I haven't seen recently because I'm using >> just sales up through the first part of 26. So, >> okay. >> But I'll I'll step in and I'll Denise has been keeping. >> In fact, I was in the other day. So, and

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Denise went in. We had some cuz she has MLS and we looked at, you know, there was some She said, "You got to look at this one. You got to look at this one." [clears throat] Said, "Okay, give me those address." [laughter] >> But I will I'll stop [clears throat] and talk with her.

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>> So, what are the next steps? Well, like [clears throat] I said, I'm feeling really comfortable with the lake front. I do want to do some driving around cuz um like I did the other day that I

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just went down the road and I picked a time of day when I knew there would be like a lot of people out on the little gazeos and their boats party and everything. So, um I [clears throat] feel I feel pretty comfortable. I'm going to have to work on those little

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parcels though. By making them up front, it just jumps the value up. And they are technically a 132 unbuildable. So I might have to leave that and just give them a sub neighborhood for being on the water, but I'm going to play with those numbers. Unfortunately,

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>> so could the lake back be a sub neighborhood too rather than Okay, that's what Okay. When you said it would be a neighborhood, I was like, >> yes, that would be Sorry. That would be a totally separate >> subject. >> Seven. >> Okay.

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>> Well, not sure. >> Good to find some sales though, >> right? >> One of the difficulties of doing lakefront properties in general is a lot of there's not aren't a lot of as many arms length sales. >> Yeah. There's always, you know,

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somebody's got a friend or a cousin or my >> family member. >> My cousin Vinnie. [laughter] >> I mean, my mother sold me our camp,000. >> Yeah. So, >> somebody's father helped build it our

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new house, our our octagonal house on the water. >> Nice. >> It was beautiful. >> I was Miss April of 2006. You know, picture of my house was on Vision's calendar. He [laughter] used to put he used to put pictures every year from different clients and one year they

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called up and they said uh Scott Santangelo said he found a kind of an unusual I said yeah he did that inspection on my property. Can you send us a picture of your house April of >> this April

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>> was a night. So, um, you know, I think they're I'm comfortable, like I said, with with the fact is for the lake front and and I'm going in and changing them, you know, to waterfront. So, their

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coating is going to be waterfront. It it doesn't have any value to it. It's in the when we when we do the uh site indexes that the value goes in, >> but just I want to make sure they're called a lot of farm properties. >> Yep. Indeed, they are. So other than

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that, I'm just plugging on. >> Okay. Thank you for the update. Honestly, it feels like there's this was a real update. [laughter] Um I was getting a little concerned that we were kind of I don't know

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>> doing a lot of research and in fact that needed to be done >> but it just felt like we weren't making >> well that's why I wanted to um you know give you some numbers >> on each like you know on each >> and I you know I just like I said I

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wanted to [clears throat] keep the um as close as they were before just cuz people used to develop. >> Well, we are targeting 95% and we are at 95% or 96 95

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>> I think we I think 96 was the last >> but we're well within the target range. So >> we want to stay within the target range. >> Yes. >> Oh yeah. >> Thank you very much. [clears throat] >> You're welcome to stay or not. It's up

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to you. You've done your update and thank you very much. I just have a question for Karen about I have to turn a time slip in. So um the first is on a separate time slip. >> Okay. >> The first second

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>> it's just the first >> third and fourth I think the [clears throat] last four. >> However that's the first right? >> Yeah. >> So it' be Wednesday, Thursday and >> Friday. I don't know what your hours are. >> I won't. Yeah. I probably sometimes they work on Fridays but um this I'm going to

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the city so probably not this so it would be Wednesday and Thursday >> right yeah >> thank you any other estimates it's on the old time >> Monday and Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday >> right >> well like the week before

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>> and would be so unless you have any other questions about anything thank you for heard [laughter] you're welcome to Okay. You're also welcome to leave. [laughter] >> I'm taking the second.

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>> I suspected you might. Just saying. Great. >> And um just to remind you, the 18th >> Mine's louder. [laughter] >> This music in your house. >> Wow. >> Who do you have?

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>> The my son. [music] the 18th of July. I'll be >> just 18 days >> 18th of July till >> So you'll miss the >> you'll miss the April 5th meeting. >> August 5th. >> August 5th. Thank you.

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>> I'm I'm due back on August 1st, I believe. >> Oh, so you might >> Where you going anywhere? >> Um Scotland, Ireland, and Wales. >> You have to bring us back some assessing information. >> All right, guys. Thank you so much.

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>> Take care. Thank you. >> Lot of stone foundations here. [clears throat] >> Walls going on there. >> Well, you know. >> Yep. >> Good night everybody. Thank you. >> I'll email that to you when I go. >> Send me a note about next week. >> Okay. >> Have a good night.

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>> Good night. >> Good night. >> Um, our next order of business is status of the principal assessor search. kind of look to you to give us an idea of what you think. >> Um, well,

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>> you I know you can't >> Well, we can't really say >> too much. Well, you can't. >> Oh, no. No. >> Oh, can we say what we can say? Candidate one, candidate two. >> I would just say you've interviewed two candidates. >> We have interviewed >> second round. >> Yep. Second. They're on the second round. I was part of [clears throat] the second round. Um, I think there's

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probably been they're probably pretty really close. >> Yep. >> Okay, good. and sounds like. >> So, by the next time we meet, we should have some news. >> You probably will. >> That's fabulous. >> I am excited.

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>> I bet you are. >> Yeah. >> How many jobs are you doing right now? >> No. >> Don't [laughter] matter. >> What day is it? On Friday, she does this and on Saturday she does that. >> But, uh, >> I appreciate it. >> Oh, no. I appreciate you guys. You guys are a great board.

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>> [clears throat] >> You come in, you help, you ask. >> We try. >> Yeah, >> it's easier in the summer, admittedly. >> Of [laughter] course. Well, >> um I will tell you, I was talking to one of

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the candidates about your um your knowledge in >> GIS and they were very excited. >> Yeah, very excited. Yeah, >> that might be a good complimentary. >> That would be helpful for the town, I think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that would be a great

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complimentary relationship. >> I think so. >> Well, that I think that candidate would be very helpful. Um, the other thing that I didn't put on the agenda was, but we should at least briefly touch upon is the uh means uh senior means tested uh

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exemption presentation that we're going to have to do before the the uh counseling. No, before the adult se adult activity center. >> The adult activity center. [clears throat] >> I knew I could think of it. >> You got it. Um, I did reach out to them

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and I found out that they know right now don't have an outreach person. >> No. >> So, I don't know started and left >> who to talk to. >> So, I might need to uh >> There's still the director of who the best person to talk to. I would suggest

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that we wanted to do it. We would want to do it early August because they have to be in by September. I believe it's the second the third, excuse me, the first Wednesday in September, which I believe might be the second.

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Um, so we we should do the presentation the first week in August. I've already reached out to one of the sponsors, a former select board member >> Lou Franco, uh, to ask if he might

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participate u since he helped to write the legislation. um you should be able to help explain it. Not necessarily true for every legislation, but you know, [laughter] in this case, I think it is. Um so, we may be able to get some help there. And

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I figured between you, Karen, myself, and if our new person's on board, that'd be great. If not, they won't know much about this, >> right, >> process anyway. But it'd be nice if they were able to, you know, get the >> just participate, >> right? get what we're up >> their face in front of all the

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>> seniors who are interested. So, >> right. >> So, I don't [clears throat] know what the best date or day of the week would be, but my guess would be it would be right after our meeting the 5th. >> So, probably the week of the 10th. Is it the 10th?

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Um, yeah, Monday would be the 10th. So, sometime during that week it >> would be what I wish. >> So, you want the week of August 10th? >> Yep. at the senior center. >> Yep. >> And I can do outreach to them or you can

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>> I'll leave it to you. >> Cuz you go over there sometimes, don't you? >> No. >> Oh, I'm old. [laughter] >> Okay. I don't go there. But I am old. >> You're [clears throat] not old. Only as old as you feel. I can reach out to her very easily. I'll just send her

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an email tonight um or tomorrow morning saying, you know, what's the best time we'd like to schedule to get together and where do we do this in during the day or in the >> during the day and down there? >> Okay. >> Um that's that's how it's been done in the past. It's been recorded. So, we've

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had BACC in there. >> Okay. >> Um and in the past, we've had a legislator there, Margaret Scarsdale. >> Okay. M >> um because she has some interest. I don't know if she's still interested in

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[clears throat] >> it's um >> um what the hell did I want to ask you? Uh any specific time during the day? >> They usually do in the morning, I think. >> Morning. >> Okay. Cuz I'll just reach out to her and

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there's any and [clears throat] any day of the week that works better. >> Yeah. Would you prefer a Monday or would Tuesday or Wednesday work better? >> No preference. >> No preference. Okay. So, I'll reach out to her to today. [snorts]

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>> I won't be able to do it if it's late in August because I'll be out of town as well. >> Well, you want that first week in August 10th. So, I'm going to tell her that week. >> It's the It's the second week. >> Okay. >> Which should give people enough time to pull whatever they need together.

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>> Do we sit right there and do it? >> No. No. >> Is just to explain it to them. Okay. Um, things like, you know, it must be on the circuit breaker so that we can then figure out what your actual circuit breaker means. Yeah.

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>> So, surprisingly, a lot of people don't use the circuit breaker and they think they might be eligible, but they don't use it. So, >> I think I don't think they realize it. >> They need an account. They're probably doing it their taxes themselves and they don't realize it probably.

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>> Yep. Yep. Um, >> it's unfortunate because it' really help them. >> It would help them. Well, it would give them a break on their income taxes. >> Yep. >> And it would give them a break on their >> property tax >> property taxes. Sizable break on the property taxes. So,

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>> we want to encourage it as much as possible. >> I mean, I think this is one of the the best kind of exemptions that we we have for that population. >> Maybe we can put something out there about circuit breaker. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Some just paperwork. Nothing we have to speak to, but maybe there's some paperwork on how to do it. We've we've

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had we've done that. >> We've done that. >> We will do that again. Yeah, I think that makes sense. >> Um something else that came to my attention today, someone came into the office apparently and asked about [clears throat] the veterans exemption that we have

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currently at $400. That's how much the state reimbures us for. >> Yeah. >> Uh and we've we've updated a lot of our exemptions uh limits. Mhm. >> Uh we've increased the income limits. We've increased the asset limits and increased the

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>> benefit amount. >> Yes. >> On a lot of our exemptions, we didn't change that one. And apparently we could. >> Oh, >> if the town were to adopt it. >> Uh I don't know if we want to try to do something for November so that we could make the next round of

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exemptions. We wouldn't be able to do it for this year, obviously. Um, but I it just came to my attention today, so I wasn't sure if we really had much time to think about it, but I just wanted to get it on people's plates. >> Um, that might be worthwhile. I mean,

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that the difference, many communities have adopted $600 >> knowing that money comes out of the town funds. Doesn't come out of the state. State's only going to reimburse the $400, >> 387 of it, I think, but I'm not sure the numbers. Mhm. >> Um [clears throat] but it might be

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something worthwhile doing. It's not an override. >> Well, it's definitely something worth putting before town meeting and then town meeting can decide if they want to do that. >> Yeah. But we we've actually sort of

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sponsor those other changes in the past and I don't know enough about it right now to say if we should sponsor it now or not. >> So, I just wanted to get it on our radar. >> Okay. We were looking for other places where we might be able to do some, you know, improvements, modernization >> of that. Yeah.

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>> Of our exemptions situation. Um, and that might >> veterans [clears throat] would be a good veterans would certainly be a good >> and we have a lot. >> Yeah. I mean, I I think we really looked at the other ones because the asset were so messed up and >> Well, the >> the income was

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>> Right. Right. the the asset and incomes were so low that no one could get them. >> Yeah. or virtually no one anymore because they hadn't been updated in 30 years. Well, this one's also not been updated in 30 years, but it only we'd only change it by a couple hundred bucks and

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>> maybe unless town meeting was to make it much larger. >> Doubt it. But anyway, I thought I'd bring that to everybody's attention and we can talk about it. Maybe we talk about it at the next meeting and decide whether we want to put something on the November

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>> town meeting floor. Yeah, the special town meeting that always happens. >> Yeah, >> those are the best for that. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Um, anything else that is not on the agenda that somebody wanted to talk about?

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>> Um, I'm not a member, but I wanted to let you know that uh Robin Nano's mother passed away. Um, she's going to, it was during vacation. She's going to catch up with those days at the end cuz everything got messed up. So, she's going to be out of the office for a

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little bit. Yeah. >> So, just wanted to let you kind of know that. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> That's unfortunate. >> Yeah. >> I think um Robin was expecting it, but it doesn't help. >> Oh, gosh. You expect it all you want.

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>> Yeah. But it doesn't matter. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Well, that's Does the town send out any condolences or anything? Nothing. I may send out a card, but no. Yeah. >> Okay. We're just asking and if anybody

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wants to do do that, we can do it as individuals as as opposed to as a board >> and we can probably get your her address from you. >> You can. Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, if you need to do that, reach out. >> If not, >> don't >> don't.

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That's our condolences to Robin and her family. >> So, you have um Denise right now. She's doing a good job right there. >> Try to run the whole darn thing on her 19 hours a week. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> I did see a a sign. Go see Karen.

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[laughter] >> Not Japan. People have come down so far. Not on wood. >> I I saw the office today and she had added a whiteboard where she can just attach these things. >> Oh, nice. That's a good idea. >> Yes. >> Do we have a status on the PDF uh Adobe

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thing yet? Uh yeah, actually um Jen went down to the office and worked with the girls and they were all set with [snorts] she took care of them. Got them what they needed. >> So we don't have to get a license. No. >> Fabulous. >> She took >> Jen was under the impression that we could do that and I was under the impression we might not be able to.

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>> I think she did it. I think she did it with the girls. >> That's great. >> Cuz um we were the office was retyping stuff >> which is crazy. >> It's Right. >> Mhm. >> and tedious and frustrating. >> Right. Right. >> And a waste of time.

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>> Yep. All of those things and not efficient. And you know, we have let's make a list of the things that we don't want to do that anymore. [laughter] >> So [snorts] cool. Uh postpone topics were the criteria for clause 18. We talked about that in the policies binder

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which is sitting up in the um office. Um we should talk about upcoming meetings August 5th. Um but we don't know when we should how much we should meet during September. We will have [snorts]

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those senior means tested applications after the first week. [snorts] Um which we'll probably have to do in executive session if I recall correctly. Um, and we we might want to we want to do

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two meetings in September if especially if we're preparing a uh uh article for the town. >> Yes. >> Special town meeting. >> Um, so I don't know what dates look like for everybody in September.

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>> Um, I am able to meet in the second and the fourth week. I'm I have a school trip on the 3rd week, which is the 14th through the 20th. >> So, you would meet be able to meet on the >> 9th.

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>> 9th. You would be able to meet on 9th. You would be able to meet on the >> uh 23rd. >> Yep. Good. >> Does that work for you, >> Brian? As far as I know, I usually don't plan out that far in advance, but [laughter] I don't know of anything. I'm

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not going anywhere. Mhm. >> Um, [clears throat] and we have a full board, so if one of us can't make it, we could still have a meeting if we need to. So, >> I I'd bet on me being able to make it, but >> Okay, >> cool. Well, let's tentatively set aside September 9th and September 23rd.

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>> Yeah. >> And I guess I'll have to figure out how to do Zoom >> and I'll find out what's going on with Zoom. It can I ask a question? Do you for your presentation for your for your

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veterans? No, for your means stuff. Do you >> senior means tested? Yeah, >> you senior means. Do you have a presentation you did last year? >> There there was a presentation done last year and the year before. So, >> it's on there. It's on the assessor's computer somewhere. A presentation that you guys did. >> It should be. Yes,

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>> we assumed that. >> Okay. Well, I still have access to Linda, so I'm going to ask her to >> Okay. She's here through the 30th of >> which was yesterday. >> Yesterday. >> Oh, yeah. That's right. [laughter] I lost my answer. >> Well, presumably I'll ask her. She'll

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tell me any presumably that should be backed up in a drive. >> Yeah, it's got to be in your office on somewhere, >> right? >> I just I don't have the permission. >> I don't know what kind of format it's in. I don't really have >> Okay. >> Um, so yes, thank you. Thank you for offering to do that. >> Oh, yeah. I'll [laughter] find it.

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>> I forgot to ask you to. Well, I figure we're going to have to find it and update it probably. So, >> yes. Well, we'll have to update the amounts. That's pretty much it. The amounts and dates, I think, and that's it. >> Okay. >> Um, the rest of it, not much else has changed.

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>> All right. >> Um, what do we have last year? Eight. No. Um, >> I don't remember. I I have to look that up. >> Six. >> We didn't have very many. >> We didn't. >> Just because it was new. >> No, it was the second year. And I thought the second year we'd get a lot

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more utilization of it and we didn't. And I think >> bless you. >> Thank you. >> So a lot of not to make too much of a generalization but a lot of elders want to feel independent. So they don't ask for help. >> So if they don't ask for help then they

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don't get the circuit breaker. If they don't get the circuit breaker then they also can't get the senior means tested >> exemption. They probably need it >> right. >> Mhm. they it would probably help them especially in this >> state was it 20 27 28 800 bucks last

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year or something. So if if you did the circuit breaker, you got that much and then you got your property tax. So that's 5,500 bucks that would would be back into their spending money. Oh my god, it's >> it's and and that may be the point I will try to make when we do the

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presentation is here's the amount. >> And for those people who didn't do circuit breaker this year, so they wouldn't be eligible this year. Um they they already will have done their taxes, >> right? But we can line them up to do

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their taxes for the next year. And >> one of the in the February, we typically do a presentation as well about exemptions and stuff. We ought to really push them to do senior [snorts] uh their circuit breaker at that point, >> right? Cuz that's when they're going to

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be doing their taxes. >> Yes. Exactly. >> Precisely. Precisely. So >> just keep driving it home maybe. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. >> Some of them just don't want the help. But when you put it in now, if you put it into the $5,000, I bet they would

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think twice about it. >> Oh, well. Huh. That's going to >> Have we figured out how to distribute that? >> The $5,000? What do you mean distribute it? >> How to pay how pay for it rather than take it out of overlay? >> Yeah, cuz it's supposed to be distributed amongst the tax bills.

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>> Oh, no. No one told me that >> through the Yeah. No, we talked about it. You were going to see what you >> We did. It's supposed to be >> It's supposed to be a tax, not split tax. Uh >> it's supposed to get redistributed across everybody else. >> Yep. >> Okay. I'll look at it.

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>> Got to be a way to do it once you figure >> cuz it would just have to go on the actual bill. >> It's what the state wants us to do. They don't want us to use the overlay. But right now, we have jacked up the overlay amount because we don't want >> because of that, right? >> Yeah. >> So, we'll have to figure that out. >> That's going [clears throat] to be a software thing. Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Yep. You'd think. >> I would think. >> Oh, yeah. >> I don't think. >> What's it called? >> Shift. Tax shift. >> Well, no, because don't Well, >> it's like pennies. >> So, it is a shift. >> It's tax. >> Yeah, it is, isn't it? So, it could

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almost be like if you were doing a a tax shift. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. All right. You got me. I'm in. >> It is a It is a We have a way to pay for it this year because it's in the budget, >> but we will figure it out for >> in the overlay. But if we can not use the overlay, that's okay. We can just do

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it that way. And that'll be on the actual bills, not on these. Not on, >> right? No, it would have to be the actual because it would have to be after you did it to know what we had to redistribute. Yep. >> So, it has to come sometime after the the tax classification hearing.

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>> Mhm. >> And then >> that that's tough though cuz think about what you just said. >> That's not much time. >> Think about what you just said, the tax classification hearing. >> Yep. So there's really one tax rate, but then you do a tax shift. >> Yeah. >> During that >> during that time, >> like three weeks that you have to do it.

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>> I don't know why the state wants it [clears throat] that way, but >> Well, I have to do my homework on it. I have to do my homework agree with that. So I'll do my homework. >> It's um it's Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We We can afford it. >> I'll do my homework on it. >> But it's in But it's in in overlay right now.

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>> Okay. >> So cool. Uh, I'm looking for closing comments from the public. I I think I just have one. [laughter] >> Um, any closing comments from the board?

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I think we're going to adjourn at 718. Is that 20? >> 718. >> 718 19. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, look forward to seeing you on TV again tomorrow. [laughter]