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Part 1 (Video ID: fRwzTHYCHgU):
- 00:00:02: Meeting Call to Order, Open Meeting Law Explanation
- 00:03:48: Open Comments, Review/Approve Minutes, Executive Session Question
- 00:06:50: Move to Status Report From Principal Assessor
- 00:07:36: Principal Assessor Status Report: Motor Vehicle, Abatements
- 00:10:13: CAI System Updates and Integration with Vision
- 00:11:33: Server Problems, Updating Data, Vendor Communication
- 00:14:49: Monthly Updates to CI Maps, Two Property Cards
- 00:17:50: Motion to Update CI Cards and Map Monthly
- 00:24:31: Fiscal Year 2027 Growth Estimates and Goals
- 00:28:53: Foreclosure Judgement, Sale Recommendation Discussion
- 00:30:16: Linda's Contract Ending, Staff Accomplishments Review
- 00:33:09: Draft Job Description, Assessors Field, Qualifications Discussion
- 00:37:21: Job Post, Technology, Experience in System Analysis
- 00:41:14: Description Feedback: Skilled in Assessment Practice
- 00:45:11: Discussion Around Principal Assessor Job Descriptions
- 00:52:17: Functionality Discussion on CAI Works Townwide
- 00:59:38: Supplemental Bills, Signature and Worksheet Problems
- 01:02:23: Letter Explaining the Homeowner What a Supplemental Is
- 01:04:52: Approving and Voting Notices for Commitment
- 01:06:51: Neighborhood Review Update on Vision Software
- 01:11:20: Lake Waterfront Properties and Water View Discussion
- 01:14:06: Contracted Services Problems and Solution Discussed
- 01:17:32: Fair and Equitable Property Values for Everybody
- 01:24:53: Neighbor 3, Department Transportation, Test town Access
- 01:27:09: Potential for Contracted Services, Negative Results Discussed
- 01:33:17: Adjourn Items, Upcoming Meeting and Board Comments
- 01:37:00: Adjourn Meeting and Close Comments, Board Adjourns


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Okay, rolling. >> Good evening all. Um, welcome to the meeting of the board of assessors for Lunberg, Massachusetts, being held today, Wednesday, May 13th at 6:30 in

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the Ritter Memorial Lower Level um at 960 Massv. In accordance with the right requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting is being recorded over the Lindberg public access channel on Facebook live on the public access Facebook page which is

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introduce themselves. >> Chica, >> Brian Harple, >> Sarah Cammer, >> Cameron Barrett, >> and I'm Brian Leond. Thank you. Um, the first item is open comments from the

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board. Are there any comments from the board? >> No. >> Hearing none. Open comments from the public. I see no one on Zoom and there's no one here in the room. Those agenda items just check right off

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fast, don't they? Uh, review and approve minutes. We have a list of dates. They're February 4th, February 25th, April 4th, April 22nd. Um, honestly, I've had no time to re review and revise those minutes. I will make a concerted effort to have us

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caught up by the next meeting. >> Okay. >> Uh, are there any executive session meetings that need be done today? >> Which date is that? >> This is April 8th. Our executive session. >> April 8th. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Last meeting, we approved the minutes of February 25th, but I did not have access to the uh doc version, >> so I could put the little uh approved date on it. If you could send over a copy of the of the doc version, I'll

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give this to you. >> Sorry to interrupt. Anyway, thank you. >> Uh February 25th. >> What are you doing? Sorry. April 8th. What are you doing hiding down the end of that table?

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>> I'm teasing you. >> We'll we'll make introduce herself later. >> Um, are these copies for everybody, too? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Brian, I'll actually let you read one if you'd like. >> There's nothing

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has one. All right. Has one. I have no questions on it. >> Seems like a fair summary. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> I'll entertain a motion to approve for release set of minutes for the executive session of April 8th. >> So moved.

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>> All those in favor? I >> What >> did you forget a pen? >> No. >> I was going to say >> I have two. Actually, I have four but only two of them work. So, um, so again, if you could send me the >> I think Robin might have the doc version

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of that, but um, >> if I can get a copy of the doc version, then I can include the little signature box. >> Yep. >> And Okay, >> I will check the card. >> Today is May 13th. And I'll include the little box and send it over.

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Thank you. H uh good that's good and move on from that if there's any other uh anything someone wants to cover before we move into the status report

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from the principal assessor. Okay. >> If you want Oh, yeah. We can share. >> Thank you. >> Down there. >> What's that? Go ahead. >> Do you want me to come down share mine? Are you good? Are you that one?

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So >> she listens well. >> So for the month of April, we had six of Butters lists. Uh the assessing uh administrative assessing assistant processed motor vehicle commitment 2 of

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2026 had a total of $830 motor vehicle excise tax bills and that was $245,21.38. And also commitment number eight of 2025 had one bill totaling $52. you actually signed the warrant commitments on April 22nd. I just wanted to include that for

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the month. >> Uh we also um received 64 motor vehicle excise tax abatements in the past month and they were processed in unison and just a waiting payment by the tax collector. All of the FY 2026 real estate

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abatements have been processed. Uh we had a total of 27 that we received. 15 of them were granted for a total of $31,19753 and 12 of them were denied. Six of them being real estate abatements and six were personal property from solo

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companies, you know, tax. So that they were denied. >> I also prepared the FY2026 supplemental real estate bills uh totaling $11,963. It was for three properties. I do

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actually have the warrant and commitment. >> So we'll cover those under signatures. >> We'll cover that there documentation. U I completed the certification directive progress in gateway. >> Did everybody get a chance to look at

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that in gateway? >> In gateway. If not, I have extra copies of it. >> I printed a copy for myself, too. So >> can I have a copy? >> Sure. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Do you need one, Brian? I'm sorry.

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>> Do you need to look at it? >> The directives were originally done in 23. >> Yeah. >> Um and they just wanted to get an update on what our progress had been to date, like you know, hiring people and stuff.

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We've actually completed almost all that was just ongoing. >> That's going to be a long one. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Any questions? >> Can I

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>> Can I ask from the >> Yeah. >> Cheap seats. I have a question. Um did you do your um a butters list in the CAI or do they do it through a different way through vision? >> We do it through CI. >> Okay. That was cool. Yes, Tracy. Okay.

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>> No, that was that was we actually had training was interesting. Actually, uh we had I figured out the problem with why it wasn't updating. Vision had actually um updated their servers which caused our updating tool not to update.

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So uh actually >> so the updating the service changed some fields or something. >> It it because vision updated their servers it wouldn't update GIS. So Vision had to connect with CI. We have a

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new tool I guess uh as they put it um to track the updates. So tomorrow I have to let them get on my computer for about 45 minutes and then it will update. So that was the problem with that. >> Okay. >> So

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>> this is sort of related to the server thing. Do you want to talk about that today? Something we can do today. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, this sort of feeds into that. >> It does feed into and then we were going to talk about the updating of the the maps too which >> Yep. with the server. I actually when I

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when I left yesterday, I I went downstairs and reached out to um Mason and um >> Souzer >> Mason Souzer. Yeah. From the Souer. >> From the Souza group. >> From the Souer group. Yes.

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>> What you say for people out there, they don't know. >> Yes. From the Souer group. From our uh they do >> support >> RT. Yes. Um, so I sent them an email and we met, you know, I let him know that we met and that there was a problem with

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the ramp and that he needed to um, figure out what was going on. He wrote back to me. He's going to um, get together with Tim. Tim wrote back, gave him his phone number, so they'll get together and figure out what it is we need.

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>> Right. >> I think it was they were a little too early to the for anyone who's watching, we have to communicate between our two vendors and we have to sort of be in the middle of that. And unfortunately uh one of our

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servers had been taken out of service and we were doing all the work on a laptop which means the laptop was then uh bogged down for hours and hours and hours on end uh and therefore not usable. Um what we asked for just

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yesterday was uh re revisit the the capability of having a server somewhere in house. We thought put it in the assessor's office, but I believe it was suggesting they will put it someplace, but we don't really have to have it in our office in the way, >> right? Long as we have some running

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>> sometime over the next several >> probably it's going to take a week or two before we get it done. >> But at that point, then we'll no longer be dependent upon a laptop being running somewhere in an office and we can just use a server, which doesn't have to be a very powerful server to but but to aid

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in that communication. So >> just strong enough for it to run constantly because it houses, you know, that's the GIS. >> Yep. >> So it and that has caused us some heart heartburn headaches in the past. >> That fair.

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>> That is Yeah, it is. And uh tomorrow uh they will be updating the data processor. So once they do that, I'll hope I'm waiting on word from CI if they can do that because I was tied up today with the the billing. But um once they

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do that, our owners update owners should be running every week, which is what we need for our butters, >> which is visions updating it. Is it vision updating? >> It's actually um >> it's actually CI CI, but it comes from visions. >> Sorry, but they communicate together. So

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that's how the information is updated. We really need to get a rest service. >> We're sort of in the middle of that communication. >> Yeah. >> And we don't The only reason we need to be in the middle is because we should have a server. And once that's done, then we no longer be in the middle of that conversation.

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>> Exactly. >> So that's why we're having our two vendors talk together, >> which is a good thing. >> What a novel approach. >> So good. Good. Um, anything else? >> Yeah, the board was going to make a

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vote. We we would like the maps we send in the changes monthly. We would like them to update them once a month because we just find it would be easier instead of waiting to once a year. But the board has to make a note on that. >> So historically there were two at one

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point there were two >> yes >> vision there were two property record cards out there. One was the vision one which is the beginning of the month beginning of the year and it remains static and one was the CI version which basically changed on a regular basis and

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we're trying to determine how regular >> um we pulled it out because it was so confusing. Yes. And now what we found is we probably need both >> as long as we clearly identify that the vision one is fixed in a point in time the beginning of the calendar calendar

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year. >> Yeah. >> And that the CI is should have a little note on it when it was last updated. I think that's a good compromise because I want the vision card to reflect January 1st, but I also want the residents to see that things have been updated and for us to see that things have been

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updated so that we know that CIA got our data. >> Right. Right. >> Right. >> So people should be able to look at their vision card and this is what reflect is reflected in their bill. >> Yes. >> The January 1st bill. And they should always be able to go back to that until we until we get to the next January,

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January 1st. Um, so I think that the that the right approach is to have both of them out there. Y >> update the CA. The question was, is it going to be monthly? Is it going to be something else something else? I don't know if we need it any more than monthly, but I'd be open for hearing

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people's opinions. >> I'm fine with having that CIA card updated monthly. It doesn't cost them anything. >> They're getting that data from us >> and then and then, you know, it's been subitted. >> It's the maps ones. Yeah. Uh,

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>> is that is that what you recommend? How's that? We'll start. >> That's what I recommend. Just because it's been really cumbersome for the office. We send the updates. They come back to us. We started a spreadsheet. >> Yeah. >> But instead of it'd be easier to do it monthly instead of waiting till the end of the year and it

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>> and it'd be easy to check it off saying, "Oh, it's online. Check. Done." >> Yeah. >> And then you know January 1st is going to be right. So >> ish. >> So that doesn't preclude our updates between CI and vision being done on a weekly basis. >> Yeah. Every Monday,

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>> but just says we will capture it once a month. >> Yeah. And we'll check in once a month to make sure it's done. >> I I like that approach. I think that makes a lot of sense. >> We need to vote on that. >> Yeah. >> We probably should vote on that. >> They were trying to get me to They were trying to get me to decide that for the whole group.

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>> Well, that would be nice of you. >> I said no, though. Um, so is that the motion that we would have >> I motion that we bring back the CI cards and have them updated once a month >> with a clear delineation about when

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they're done? >> Yes. >> As of dates and stuff. We need and if CI can't give us dates on it, that would be a problem. >> Yeah. >> So, they really need to make sure that that it's as of dates, whatever the dates are. >> I didn't think we'd bring back the cards. that we're just going to update

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the maps only and just >> Well, I was thinking Well, that's part of the discussion. We definitely want to update the maps. >> Yeah. Monthly. Yeah. >> Um Yeah. >> You want to bring back the card too because somehow they they didn't match. >> Yeah. >> Because if we can identify why they

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don't match. This one's as of this point in time. These are through the >> these are our checklist of what's happening over the year. Um, and it will cause there'll be questions from some folks because we'll have read the the legend. But that's okay. >> We can answer that question

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>> as long as we have a pretty clear answer on what that is >> cuz then we can actually anybody can go and see that it's being updated. >> The problem is you're going to have the two different values on the the CAD and then the vision cut which is what we had before which is causing a lot of

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problems with the residents, right? >> Which what's my correct assessed value? So that's why we took the CI card down. >> Oh, I get it. But when when that was happening, I was completely ignorant of why that was happening. Now I understand why that was happening. >> Yeah.

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>> And I could explain it to anybody at this point. I couldn't explain it before. >> We didn't know why it was. Well, >> yeah. >> How come this one's being updated so frequently and this one's not? It was like, okay. >> And and nobody here at that time could explain it. >> So

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Reena, you looked like you had something to say. I thought maybe you might want to put something on the um on the cards that says, you know, statutoily it's how the property stands on January 1st. >> Sure. >> So that's why so maybe you want to put

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some wording in there by state statute it's how the property stands on January 1st >> and that would be for the vision card which is >> the vision, right? >> Fixed PDF. It's fixed and you will see it on January 1st and then it will change again right

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>> on January 1st >> next year. >> Yep. Um but we could put the cards up and as long as we highlight on the cards the CI card that this is a subject to a modification on a monthly

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basis or something to that effect. As long as that's clear in the top before even before you click the thing and you should be able we should not have to face too many questions. You're right. It caused a lot of confusion in the past for all of us. >> Yes.

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>> But not having it out there is problematic in that people say whatever happened to the changes that you made in March. We don't see them. Oh, you can see them here. Now there was a discussion that

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there's a lag from >> you know so what I I am wondering is if that vision card because they have everything updating on Mondays now or whatever day it is that Mike said that with the

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server working they should be able to update those vision cards. It's >> not the vision cards. The visions are fixed. >> They're fixed >> at one point in time. >> Right. I I get that. Okay. >> But Oh, yeah. Never mind. I had to run the year in my head. I got it.

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>> The weird. >> So, it was clear to Sarah as clear to everybody else. >> That's right. Well, you know, well, you know how you know you got July 1st and Yeah. I >> done the same thing. >> My brain just caught up again. >> I've been in the same spot you are and I

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got through it earlier. >> So, yeah, we're all set. So if we if we make sure that they're they're wellle labeled. >> Yes. >> And then we can do >> annual updates to the vision card,

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monthly updates to the CAI card, and weekly updates to the map. Is that is that what we just said? I think. >> Yeah. And I can verify if that CAI card is going to update weekly because I know the owners update weekly. So, I'm

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assuming that the card will update weekly, but I will confirm. >> Well, the one that we have posted out there. >> It's only the PDF. >> That's for vision. >> Vision. Yep. >> But, but the one that we could post out there, we could we're not posting a live

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card for CI. We're posting with potentially a PDF. We could run the PDF just monthly, I think. >> It's you know how it was just a summary. Didn't have all the data of the card. >> Didn't have nearly as much as the vision card. Correct. Um

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yeah, just confirm that that um if they could just Oh, do we if they want to run the PDF, does that have to run through vision to look for the PDF? >> Well, that was the issue that we have with um the special software that was needed to run them. So, next year I

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would suggest running it through vision for $400 and it would make life so much easier. >> Can't you send them to us? No, what what what what what is suggesting is rather than having C posting anything from CI, we could actually have the vision do it on a

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regular regular basis. Gotcha. >> It's only $400. >> That's it. >> It took three weeks to do it this year and >> because we kept having to print it on >> and last year we had no issues and I'm thinking it might be from the server maybe. I don't and then changing that. I don't know. But and

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>> I I didn't do either of those events. So, >> but that's what I think might have happened because I was given a laptop, the PC was taken off, the software was eliminated. >> Yeah. >> But we didn't know that we needed the new software, >> right?

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>> So, if you could confirm >> Yeah. that we can do annual vision cards, monthly CAI cards, and weekly CAI map updates. >> That'd be great.

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>> And that we can get those cards printed for 400 bucks. >> That'll be for next year. >> For next year, >> I think the map are monthly, not cuz I >> I think they said it takes >> That's okay. Hey, if it's monthly, that's not a confirmation that the maps are up.

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>> So, do we need a quote from Vision for printing those cards? >> I did get one $400. >> Yeah. >> Do you have a written one? >> Um, for next year, >> I can get a written one. >> Yeah, >> that's a good point. Good point. >> Well, yeah, you want that. >> No, that's a good point. Excellent

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point. Cool. Uh, anything else on your update? >> Yeah, just sorry about that. >> That's okay. >> Um, I wanted to give you an update on the, uh, fiscal 2027 growth. >> We had estimated 400,000. Uh we're

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currently at 243,542,000 which equates to a SUS bill value of uh $16,924,400. This is just real estate, commercial industrial only. >> So we're ahead of the $400 estimate. >> No, we're not.

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>> We're behind the >> We're behind. Uh I did >> but we're just looking at commercial industrial and that's $243 $542. That's what we have right now. Um, and I I actually printed out the LA13 which does show the growth from last year.

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>> So, if I go by the personal property, it was um 124,684. So, if I just go by that, we're a little shy of what we estimated. But again, it's estimate only on the personal

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property because >> I just didn't know if there was some pressure to increase our estimate. And right now I'm not hearing any. >> Is that what I said? >> I just wanted to give you an update. >> Okay. >> I'm hoping that we make it, but we still have a little bit of time. I just want to give you an update of what we're at

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currently. >> Yeah, >> that's through >> still. It's through June. I I understand that. But if we were running at >> we estimated 400,000. If we were running at 525, I'd say, "Wow, we underestimated

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by a lot." In fact, we didn't underestimate by a lot. We may be struggling to get to the 400, but I'm okay with that range. So, >> that's a good update that that basically says even though we got some pressure to try to increase that 400,000 last for

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the last year. Uh 400,000 feels in the right range at least prematurely. We're not done. I get it. >> There's more to come. But >> just so you know where we're at. >> No, that's really good. That's really good. Thank And I don't know if you want a copy of the LA 13.

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>> I can run it. >> Okay. >> All right. And um as far as goals, I've actually already started the goals. I worked with Randy Mercier today uh to complete the uh FY2027 preliminary tax

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file. Um we started it uh I'm in the process of adding in um we did some parcel splits. So, anything from January and February would be added in. Uh I have some supplemental bills. I added in

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those and then um any uh corrections to the parcel IDs. We had a meeting with him back in February to correct some of them. Uh so those will be done. I'm like halfway done with that. Uh he's hoping to get it to the point where I can give

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my lean a week to look at the file just to make sure it's all set and then we can finalize the rest of it update to new. >> So if I summarize that we're on target for making the estimated bills this year. >> We are. Yeah. >> I'd like to do things early.

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>> Is that we are we're actually we're early. >> We're early >> but we're going to be >> we're not that early. It's me. >> That's right. >> We're a little early. >> Congratulations. >> It's coming up fast. >> So, today I I got halfway through it and

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just with updating things, I've got to go look up the property idea. It's a little bit cumbersome, but >> Oh, yeah. >> It'll be good because then that way any new construction is completed on some properties that are split, right? >> At least that way there'll be any new.

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Um, and then the other only other goal is uh working on the neighborhood review directive. >> So, we'll we'll talk about that during current business. So, we'll hold off on that discussion if you don't mind. >> Yep. >> Um, a couple other things that we we

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were asked the question about >> a property on a for foreclosure judgment. Has the sled board already moved on that? Do we know? >> They tentatively moved on it pending our vote. >> Okay. Well, does it

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>> I have no objection to selling the property. >> Open up for discussion. Does anybody think that there's some reason that the town needs to buy that property? >> No. >> Which property? >> It's at uh 35, excuse me. 250 and 356

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Hollis Road. >> Um I I don't think we need it. So, >> I don't think we need it. I don't think we really want to take it off the tax rolls. Motion to >> recommend nonpurchase.

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>> Yeah. Recommend we do not purchase the property. There we go. >> Right. Uh I'll second it. Unless there's further discussion.

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>> All in favor of not purchasing the properties on Hollis Road. >> I'm in favor. recommending not purchasing. >> Re Yeah. Done. >> We are unanimous. >> I got to think of how to word that. Next. >> I know. And we There's got to be some way though. If there's property, >> we're going to leave it to right now.

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>> You know, when you're an affirmative for the negative, it's very confusing. >> The only property the town really needs to buy is in front of the police department. >> That uh not for sale at the moment. >> I know. Hasn't been for sale for years.

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It's not for sale at the moment, >> but they've moved the boats though. >> Most of the boats are gone. I think there's one or two still back in there. >> Maybe one cuz there was a couple on the side. >> Yeah, >> that predates me. >> Most of the You're a child.

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>> Of the 70s. >> Of the 70s. >> Yep. >> Of the 50s. Um, I sent a copy of the job description. >> Yes, I saw. >> Um, and posting

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um I don't know how we want to go about announcing. Do you want to announce? Should I announce? >> You can announce. >> Okay. Announce. Uh, Linda has decided to uh end her her contract with Lunberg in

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the end of June. Um, so thank you, Linda, for all you've done. >> Thank you. >> There's a lengthy list and we will at some point write them all down and talk about what they were. Um, but there's been a whole bunch of stuff for chapter land. There's a whole bunch of stuff on

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chapter land, new new growth, finding new growth, uh identifying properties that were um improved yet not identified in our tax roles, a whole bunch of stuff like that. And then there's a whole bunch of stuff around um formalizing

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some processes that I don't think we had formal in the past. So, been a great help. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> A pleasure. most days. >> Most days. >> I've been so impressed with your work. >> Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that.

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I do have a list of accomplishments that I Yes, you do. Good start. So, give me >> We probably ought to pull that up. >> Yeah, it's been long. >> We update it. >> Yeah, >> I know. It's been a pleasure working with Rea. In the beginning, it was just Raina and I.

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Well, and another accomplishment is being able to populate the rest of the staff onto into town into the assistant office. I mean, one of the things that the state dinged us on was the fact that we've had virtually no staff. >> So, and I think the folk folks that

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you've hired um are really quality folks. So, >> they really are. >> You know, I I I can't say enough about that. So some people's strength is not hired. Yours apparently is. So good for that. Thank you.

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>> Well, thank you. >> Um, so having said that, there is a draft of a uh job description and a posting. Um, I don't know if anybody had

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any feedback on either or both. I had some things and if you let me go through mine and you go through yours or you vice versa. >> You can start. >> On the posting um

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on the qualifications it says 3 to 5 years experience in real estate or appraisal field including experience in the valuation of property for tax purposes. But that doesn't say that they must have any

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history of assessing. Appraising is different as we know, >> very different. Um, so while someone may be familiar with appraising, they may not be familiar with assessing. And I would like to punch that one up on the

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qualifications on the job posting personally. And I don't know what the rest of the board feels and may or may not want to do that. Um, so that was the only thing I had on the job posting. >> Um, I I had a couple of things. >> Good.

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>> Um, in the recommended minimum qualifications >> in the posting. >> Yeah. Well, >> no, in the job description or the posting. >> Oh, that's a good question. >> Uh, because I was just talking about the posting. I have some stuff on the

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description, too. >> Okay, hang on. >> But is there something on the posting first? >> Sorry. Sorry. >> No, it's okay. I got ahead of it. >> I need the job post.

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>> Could have got it, but I'm not sure. I will get it tomorrow. >> Job posting. I haven't seen it yet. >> Oh. Oh, >> you weren't on the distribution and I thought you you had already seen it. So, >> no, that's fine. I I will see it tomorrow.

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>> Ah, you can make sure you have it tonight. >> Yeah. >> Oh, thank you. >> If you want actually >> for now >> I can make sure you have it correctly by the morning. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> So, any anything on anything on the

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posting that you you'd like to Oh, you have something on the posting. Well, I I think in the in your posting it should say um 3 to 5 years is pretty normal, but 5 years in I think it should say in the assessing field

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>> that was my concern. It just said the appraisal piece needs to come out and I'd like to put honestly different but um I know my daughter has had that experience. It's hard for them to transition >> right >> from a single appraisal to mass

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appraisal. So, >> right, >> you might want to just 3 to 5 years in the assessing field or something like that. >> We'll take that under advisement. >> Okay. >> I was wondering if in the qualifications

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we want to put forth any training and technology. I know that's kind of a vague statement, but >> well, yeah, go ahead. >> It it it creeps up in the um

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roles and responsibilities, >> right? Um, but I would like maybe for it to talk about having some experiencing using Ununice ex the Microsoft suite

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in the qualifications. >> Certainly, I think it needs to be in the job description. In fact, that's one of my comments later on. >> I don't know if it needs to be in the posting. Maybe it should. It's a question. I haven't written job postings. >> Okay. >> Um, but

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>> it's a summary of the job description, >> but I would >> find out. >> I I mean I would think that if you have assessment experience, you're used to using a CAMA system, you are competent in Excel and Word and

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>> Vision or Patriot. What do you say? Can you say one of those? >> I don't know if it's necessary, but you could say a CA system just came. I know. >> If you just if we include something in there about familiarity with the camera system. >> Mhm. >> With a town financial system,

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>> right? >> Like Munis. >> Yes. >> And with the Microsoft suite. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that and that I think is broad enough. We put more into the job description later on if you want. But >> but that would also make it clear like you have to have done some assessment,

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>> right? You had you have to have been in that field. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> And know the want to look up a couple of postings. There's quite a few towns. Um I think was less new is looking >> um

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May has been looking for a long time. Um, >> well, we don't want to look at unsuccessful postings. >> No, but you might you might want to just go to see if they've been unsuccessful. We don't want to copy them. >> But you're right. there may be some

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things in there that would be >> um valuable for >> and the only thing that I would comment on recommending is that um there be some acceptance of people with research experience

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>> because that includes a very broad spectrum of computer analysis and system analysis. >> Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they are have experience as being an

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assessor per se, but they do have an experience of collecting and managing and organizing data. >> But would they know how to apply that right away in the ground running as a principal assessor? >> Principal assessor. No. >> Right.

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But you know if they had research experience and a year or so of assessor that would count. >> I see what you're saying. >> If you have if you have the ability to research massive amounts of data and glean >> doesn't matter what data it is but just

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the experience of research >> and they've spent time as an assessor. >> Y >> well you might want to put that in your job description. >> Well that was sort I was in the job. >> Yeah that's a job description. more the job description than the posting. So I think the posting we've talked about >> because we do have

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>> experience we've talked about those >> uh computer skills right >> specific computer skills >> so Microsoft research >> so Brian reading this it says an equivalent combination of education experience will be considered so >> yeah so if you had some research

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expering actually that works >> good yeah anything else >> so anybody re Anyone reading the incoming? >> It's Is it on the MAA is on the job posting? Oh, no. It's working toward MA >> designation.

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>> It says current uh MAA designation preferred or must be achieved within two higher two years of hired date. >> That's pretty standard. >> I thought that would be but that's a good point. We got to we got to make sure that >> we don't want Joe Blow down the street Joe signing up and saying, "Hey, I can

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do this." Nope. >> No, you can't. You don't have the qualifications. >> Okay, good. Uh, so that I think that was it on the posting. Um, did you have you had some feedback while yours is probably more related to the uh

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>> description as well? >> Description. Yeah. >> So, is there anything else on the description you thought was needed some punching up? >> Um, yes. under the education and experience it says like general knowledge of things, knowledge

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of I would love for it to say um not just knowledge like a high degree of skill and assessment practice like general

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knowledge you know oh I what does that mean I I mean I have a general knowledge of the assessment. >> Which line is that on >> system? Um it's in recommended minimum qualifications >> under education. >> Yeah. >> Experience. How far down? >> Oh, I see.

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>> Knowledge of assessment par >> I would say skilled >> skilled and demonstratable practice of with assessment maybe. Um

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>> and what >> demonstraable? >> Demonstraable. >> Um general knowledge of residential, commercial, industrial, building construction. I have general knowledge of that. I would not consider myself capable of

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>> Yeah. >> going into a residential. >> Both of those generals >> Yeah. >> sort of soften it way too much. >> Yeah. So >> experience examining residential, commercial and industrial building construction,

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>> experience with mapping, surveying or experience interpreting, mapping, surveying, donate, zoning, and deed data. >> You catching that, Karen? >> Yeah. But if I don't, I get it. I'll I'll watch this and get the rest.

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Yeah. Okay. >> Not knowledge of the mass appraisal system in Excel. >> Right. Right. >> Um >> No, you want to >> That's pretty superficial. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um

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under essential functions. Are you done? I'm sorry. >> Oh, go ahead. We can tag team it. >> Go ahead. it the first there's a beginning of a paragraph in italics here but I think it's not complete

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it says essential functions of duties listed below are intended only as illustrations of various types of >> what >> various types of >> this is why I have to stop I don't catch it on >> that's where it stops I'm not sure what it was supposed to include probably need

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to I don't know what that verbiage is. >> Where you at there? >> Essential functions. >> Oh, I can tell you I have it on mine. >> Oh, you have something. >> It says, "Essential functions or duties listed below are intended only as illustrations of various types of work that may be performed. The emission of specific

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statements of duties does not exclude them from the position if the work is similar, related, or a logical assessment, I mean assignment to the position." >> Oh, I like that. >> Yeah. So, okay. >> Here you can >> No, that's fine. I don't need it.

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>> I don't need it. I just I now know it. >> Okay. >> Uh the second paragraph after that it says recommends the tax rate for the town. The assessor does not recommend the tax rate for the town. >> No. So I can you can say estimates

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the tax rate for the town during the classification hearing, >> but you can't really say recommends >> cuz it's it's not our place. >> Presents tax rate options for the town. >> Well, that's

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>> that sounds like there's more than one tax rate. >> Yeah, that's true. >> There could be. That's what the whole classification hearing is about. I know that. But since we have a >> we can't preclude that that some year the select board might just say, "Yep, let's do an industrial one." We'll go,

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"Oh god, how are we going to do that?" >> But uh >> well, the do wouldn't let them because you have to hit a certain percentage. >> Well, it's a recommendation and a guideline. So, they can do whatever the hell they want. Excuse my French. Having said that, I don't think they

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would encourage it. No, >> but it's it's I would like to change that one somehow. It doesn't really >> uh fit. >> In the essential functions, >> it's meet with the board of assessors once a once a month or additionally upon

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their request. We're quite often two times a month. >> We we've been mostly two times a month. I think we're heading toward maybe monthly, but I'm not sure we'd want to say might want to say at least one times one time a month or something.

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>> And you should write that it likely incorporates evening hours. >> Oh, cuz in the past before us, the assess assessing meetings were held every day. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that's a good point.

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Um, >> did you have more? >> I have more. >> Keep going. >> Okay, >> I'll chime in for you. >> About uh a third way down on the third page, it says investigate requests for abasements, abatements, and exemptions.

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>> I think we should include deferrals there. >> Abatements, exemptions. Abatements, deferrals, and exemptions. Yeah. >> Right. And then the >> and deferrals and the second line >> and the the second line should say

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deferrals >> down the bottom on that page. >> Mhm. >> Said maintains the town's official maps. Every map that ever was. No. We need to be a little more specific on which maps they're going to be responsible for maintaining.

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>> Updates. >> What's that? >> Yearly updates. Well, no, but it's it it's not it's not it's the yearly up, but it's the assessor's maps. >> I mean, it's not really the uh sewer maps. >> No,

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>> it's not any of the other maps. There's a whole bunch of and Sarah can probably list out the thousands of maps that could be available. We aren't really responsible for those maps. >> No, you're you're just responsible for the um assesses, >> right? So it it says official maps and I

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think we need to take out official maps and >> assessor maps. >> Tax maps actually tax maps >> because then it's anything related to taxing. >> Yes, >> tax maps. Yes, >> that makes sense. Everybody clear with that? Happy with that?

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Oh, and on the last page. Oh, well, I was going to I think you've already addressed it. It says knowledge. Um, it says knowledge. Where? Oh, the principal assessor must be computer

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literate. I'm not That's really says it. That's kind of 25 years ago. >> I I can say computer. So I'm not I would like to have that punched up a little bit and I'm not sure how to do that >> under right after knowledge abilility

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and skill is the first first paragraph. >> Oh, okay. >> And I don't know if anybody has some suggestions on how we punch that up a little bit. I just I just think we need to expand this. >> Principal assessor regularly uses a computer.

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I don't >> It was probably written 25 years ago, >> but it may have been. Well, no, no, probably not. >> What's a computer? >> 24. >> No, no, because we had a company that was doing all this work then. So, we didn't have a one of these.

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>> We posted it first in 2020. >> We got rid of them in 2019. >> 19. Yeah. >> The principal assessor should have experience using KMA systems. Oh, we can list them again. >> GIS mapping services. >> We want to reiterate. So, that's good.

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I'm okay. >> And using basic functions in Excel. >> Tell them what you want. Tell them what you No, tell them what you're going to tell them. Tell them what you're going to tell what you told them. I don't know how that goes, but yes, I like that. >> Okay. >> I think we can strike including hardware

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and software options and capabilities cuz that's that should be covered in there. If you have somebody who's aged about 40 years old, they've got plenty of computer experience. >> You'd be surprised.

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>> Yes. For the most part, I would say that's true. But the >> Yeah, >> I I um >> if you if you lay it out on the paper, then there's no question. >> I mean, I agree. I bring it up because that you'd be surprised because the

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thought is, you know, like people growing up with computers are really knowledgeable about how they work. No, they're good at using the user interface. >> Yes, that is true. >> And whatever they've been exposed to. So, you know, you're exposed to YouTube,

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Instagram, that that doesn't mean you know how to use an Excel spreadsheet. >> True. >> Or format anything in Word. >> Yeah. or if we're doing >> drive and everything else in >> Yeah, >> honestly we do we do

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>> open office >> brochures. >> Yep. >> We all know how to do them. >> Yep. >> Somebody in the office ought to know how to do them. Do we have anywhere that um >> that brings I need to have with you >> presentation

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prepare and give presentations at town meeting >> or just disability to speak in public and make presentation at >> town. Yeah. So the prep for the classification hearing. >> Yeah. I mean >> that's that's a big one I think.

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Um >> that was that was it for me. Okay. >> Yep. So, do we flap our gums enough? No. >> You got somebody coming? That's okay.

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So, a meeting. Come on down. >> Okay. >> Librarians. >> Oh, yeah. Ghosts of librarians. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Librarians are pretty good with data. >> Mhm. They are. I'm very good with data.

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>> Okay. >> Anything else that we want to cover under either the status report or some of those things we just went through? the Hawaii statement. I think at some point we should have a discussion about

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how CI works for us in terms of assessing. Um but townwide there needs to be discussion probably of you know like within the office I think we have what we need. So you you make a

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good point based on the conversation we had with CAI. There are there's a lot of functionality that could be used by other other departments >> within the community that aren't currently being used. >> Um we're already paying for it, >> but we're not using it.

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>> Um we are paying we are paying for it so that we can get the things that we need done. >> But I believe that there's an opportunity >> under our current contract. for other departments to take advantage of stuff. And I don't know how we

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promulgate that. Is that the right word? >> Sarah had some good ideas yesterday about the police and fire. So >> yeah, >> somehow we have to get them trained. >> Yep. >> On being able to and I'm sure Jim would maybe come back down or do it through a

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Zoom or I am not sure. >> Source and planning. I mean there's a >> there's a there's a lot >> there's a lot planning. um we have the our new planner I'm sure he would be maybe interested >> I mean so so CI provides a lot to us

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>> um in terms of >> I think >> kind of data that's already out there's a whole lot of data collection >> I think our highway department doesn't our use it >> well I think they use it but I don't know how they use it >> okay

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>> um >> cuz I thought he used it for his catch basins and some other things >> they should be, but they might have a different contractor for that that's providing that upgrade. >> And then they're they're using >> CIA uses the Argis

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platform, >> right? >> Um, and a lot of other consultants do and they go out in the field and collect the data on a device and then send it back and deliver the >> the flat PDF. Um, so townwide it probably should be

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there should be some kind of policy about what we're asking for from our subcontractors, contractors when we get the data when they give us the data or you know when we get a contract with them and it's all the catch basins you have to give us a layer

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that can be uploaded and shared with CI >> or something like that. Um or you know if you get all the way to tier two and you get an engineer, maybe that person can run GIS and count. >> Um but in the interim like

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>> it's a powerful tool. >> Well, and it's foolish for us to keep hiring people to give us the same maps over and over again. >> Right. Right. >> That's what bothers me. >> Okay. Um, >> so

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we we need to have some, as I said yesterday, we need have somebody spearhead an effort to consolidate all of our various departmental needs and see what we're getting today and what we already think we probably have access to um, and try to do it in a more efficient

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manner. >> It's a big job. Well, and what they actually need because if they need constant data collection and we need to turn it into layers, it's not an inexpensive thing to get that layer from CI, right?

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>> You know, they quoted me 1,800 for a continuously updating one, which is probably going to check catch basins. When they're really trying to implement that MS4, they have they have to look for things like infiltration. They have to look for damage. They have to constantly check

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those >> in those. Right. So, I don't know how often we're going to get charged at $1,800 >> or the $900 for a map that you >> Yeah, >> I'm getting in the weeds, but there's just um

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>> at some at some point there should be a valuation of, you know, if we get this person over here that can do this, do we do we migrate and have that person take care of it because it might be more cost effective? I don't know if it is or not. Okay.

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>> Right. >> And I'm not going to make that decision without data. >> Um, but it might be and it could be. And there's a lot of different things that you could send out to residents. Like I know residents are probably dreaming of

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reporting any pothole they have. And And you know, you could say, "Here's my pothole." And then it goes to the DPW, and the DPW director now loves me. >> Send us your pet. No, you know, but like, you know, over here I'm seeing people dumping trash all the time.

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Let's, you know, stuff like that. >> Um or my street was plowed. My street was not plowed. >> Yeah. >> Um trash collection, >> right? >> Yeah. Well, >> you know, there's just >> there's a whole >> there's a very long list,

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>> right? You could go on and on for >> forever, >> right? >> Because >> there's just so much you could do with it. >> Yeah. Um the school could use it for school bus routes which to me especially with gas prices would be great. >> They must be doing it somehow but we

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don't know how they're doing it. >> You can get driving direction. You can get estimated times based on time of day >> transportation from going on. Yeah. >> Just the just to I'm going to show my age now but just the abunders list

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alone. I mean I remember when I used to have to take my thing drawing a circle. and then you go out to all the different and you know in 30 seconds you push a button >> and boom there's your list. >> Well, you could also get demographics.

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>> So let's say if we're thinking about like a a terrible drought or a large storm event um >> who is most likely to need assistance and how do we reach out to them? Do they do they own a computer? Do they have a

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phone? or do the police need to come check >> right or the final >> we can put our seniors you know over a certain age out there or >> so there's just a lot of different ways to use that information and um >> with with kind of the way we're going

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right now we have to put out a bid >> wait for it to come back it's it's a very lengthy process and I was railing about paper because you know we're sending it we're waiting we don't know if it's updated but if you know it's in town you

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you know, all the time. >> Um, but that's like beyond our scope. >> Something from school year 28. Maybe >> I uh I'm not going to predict these things. >> We have some things to sign.

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>> We do very interesting. >> These are >> very interesting. >> One, three, three different supplemental bills. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You want to see my worksheet? >> Uh maybe want to give us a little problem here.

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>> You can play around with it if you want. >> Um that one is the um assessor notice of commitment the economy director. So that's this is >> this is the sum >> the sum of the three. >> Okay. Let's look at the individual ones.

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>> Is this the motor vehicle? >> No, these are supplemental supplemental. Sorry. So if the building value went up more than 50%. We can send them a supplemental bill and

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it's based on the occupancy date. >> And then we have here >> um executive session stuff, right? >> Well, we just we just can't discuss >> abatements and exemptions. I think we need to discuss these.

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>> Okay. Yeah, that's what I ask. Okay. I think that's >> Yep. >> But um but these three properties all went up 50% in the building value and I have to base it on the occupancy date

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um and um the um tax rate and then it is a premium calculation. So it's got the number of days from the date of occupancy to June 30th. Yep. >> And that's the total. So like this one is occupancy date is January 22nd. Of course it wasn't captured during the

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real billing but we can put it in as a supplemental. >> Yeah. >> And >> I just change >> the certificate before I send it. >> Okay. This one the I could see was this

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a different one? >> That's >> that's a different one also. January 22nd. >> Yep. Yeah. I know. Oh, I saw the same date. I thought it can't be the same. Different properties. >> Yeah. >> Uh we we don't have to read the property number. Okay.

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>> But one is on Town Road. One is on Elwood Drive. Elwood. >> Should that say drive? That says Elwood Road. >> Isn't Elwood a drive? >> Weren't we just looking at that the other day?

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>> I don't know. Just check it. It's >> one's on Elwood. Road. >> It is road. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that was the one that had like all the farmland. >> Yep. And the third one was >> Oh, it liber. >> So, the three properties.

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>> So, what what's going to happen is um waiting on my gave a copy of this to my she's actually going to create a bill when I can send this out. I'm hoping by the 21st of May I'm going to send out this certificate and have a letter kind

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of explain to the homeowner exactly what a supplemental is. >> Okay. >> And that it's based on >> We can uh can we can we read without the address? Can we can you read this out loud for us or should I read it? >> Sure. >> This is the the letter. >> This is the letter. So it says uh dear

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Lunenburgg taxpayer uh it's regarding new construction supplemental real estate billing for tax year 2026 uh mass journal law chapter 59 section 2A paragraph a dear taxpayer you're receiving this notice due to a

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certificate of occupancy that was issued during the tax year and it's got the property address uh the subject property building value increased by 50% or greater. You will receive a PR-rated real estate tax bill from the tax collector in the next couple of days.

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Attached is a worksheet with the building value from the date of occupancy to the end of the tax year, which is June 30th, 2026. This tax bill is in addition to the um 2026 tax year quarterly real estate bills. This is a one-time new

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construction tax bill. Please contact me with any questions. It's got my name. >> So, one is for 40 almost 45. 00 one is for almost 3,400 >> and the last one is about >> 4,000 >> about almost 41.

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>> Y >> total is $11,964. So >> of of new taxes. >> Um we can sign this. Don't >> Oh, we don't need to sign We need to sign We don't need to sign these individually. >> Nope. Just the commitment

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>> just the total. >> Okay. And this does not need to be notorized. >> No. Okay. Just checking because Yeah. >> So the only thing to be >> I know pretty much. >> Um

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so do we vote to approve? >> I motion we approve >> notice of commitment for $1,96463. >> So motioned. Second. >> All in favor? Hi.

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>> Is there more than one copy? >> Yeah, big copy. >> Jeez, I hate it. >> This is dated the 13th. >> 13th. Yeah. >> You like to go second? >> What is this one? That is the um

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this one I leave. >> So that was the commitment. This is >> this is Yep. That's one's for the accounting officer and this is for the cash collector. >> We don't have one form. We have two. >> Okay.

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>> That's correct. >> Why don't we have one? I don't Oh yeah, Captain Conwell. >> Could we just change the title that has both titles on it and do the whole thing at once? >> That would make it easy. Also, such a funky print out,

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but I understand. >> You don't need that. >> Nope, >> I don't. >> I just didn't I didn't want to accidentally put it on the microphone. Oh yeah, put on the mic. >> Am I passionate? PACC loves that.

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So that's supplemental. That's $11,000 more of taxes we can collect this year and that will increase their tax estimated tax for next year. >> Good. >> Um, anything else to sign? >> Sorry. >> I do have stuff for executive session,

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but >> Okay, that's fine. Then we'll move those. Uh, are we ready to regular business? >> Regular business being an update on the neighborhood review project.

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>> Hang on. I'm still signing. >> Oh, sorry. I thought you were done. >> It requires a lot of brain power to sign. >> Yeah, it does. >> Not to mention the steady hand. >> Which guitarist is called a slow hand? No idea

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>> what >> I don't know. >> And Luke. >> Oh, that's different. >> I love the 70s. >> And he's in the >> I'm pretty sure it was pretty sure it was Eric B. But I'm sorry, Eric.

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>> Oh, uh, Eric Clapton. >> Clapton. Eric Clapton. That's what he was called. But I don't know. And somebody's going to correct me. Somebody's going to watch this. >> It is, isn't it? I hope to make a public comment. >> Um,

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>> you ready with me? >> I think so. >> Okay. Um, I did promise you an update. You'll be here next time. I'm going to give you a written report. I didn't have enough really tonight to >> This is just an update.

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>> So, the good news is I got my test town from Vision. I can go in there and do anything I want to and it doesn't hurt the live database. >> That's great. I've been playing

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um I've what I I'm starting to do is I'm starting to I'm going into I have a print out I got from Vision that all the streets with the land use co with the uh neighborhood codes on everyone that

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touches the water is going to be site index one. Um, so I I'm working on some like it waterfront no one now is 3.70.

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Um, I'm working on those numbers right now because that's going to come down a little bit and then I'm going to have a neighborhood adjustment. Um, which is the way some of the other communities have done it. I looked, you know, I looked through them. I looked at some of

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the lake towns. What do you mean by neighborhood adjustment? >> Um because the lakes are different. >> Oh, >> so the land factor. >> Yes. >> So everybody will be in site index one,

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>> right? But like this one is near Lancast and this one is Yeah. Gotcha. I just want to make sure I'm following. also taken into consideration there's two ponds and they're going to be in a lower category. Um >> but they're still waterfront.

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>> They're still waterfront. They still put boats in there. They still swim out there. >> Um I'm I'm not sure about Hickory Hills, the Little Hickory, >> Little Hickory. >> Um I haven't I don't know what the water quality is over there, but I'm going to

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But they are waterfront. The problem is half that pawn is in a neighborhood 1B below average >> today >> and the other half is in neighborhood FOA you know which is

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>> so these are the things I'm looking at and there is a code envision for waterfront property it's a 1013 and says waterfront so as I go into these I'm going to change them all to that waterfront code. So, it's going to be

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their land use code is going to be waterfront. So, um that's >> Can I Can I ask a question? >> Sure. >> You were talking about um Little Hickory and Summer Neighborhood Four and some are the below average

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>> are the below average ones along the water there and the fours are along the water. They're both are >> both are they both are >> okay. >> She's found some inconsistencies. That's my view. >> Now the one >> I believe that >> that one B >> Yeah,

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>> it's gone. >> Yeah, >> we're doing away totally with that below average because you know everybody's going to say the water department is below average and that's not >> for tax purposes. >> That's not the way you do it anyway. You're either on the water or you're not. >> That's what you have the site indices

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for, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, um, >> quick question. >> Sure. What about lakes with a road along the lake and a house across the road?

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>> That's not technically on the lake. >> No, but they will. We can't use in Massachusetts water view. That's illegal in Massachusetts. But we could say when I redid all the lake properties in Graten, we had water front and water

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back. So if you were on the street behind and you still had a nice view of the lake, you know, you could walk to a public beach or something. But um that's what my plan is for that. You're either

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going to be waterfront, water back if you're one street around the water and you can see the water, you know, because we can't use water view. So um that's how I'm going to handle that. >> Okay. Um, so like I said, I've started

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to go through one by one as I'm changing some of these because I have to go in and I have to change the land use code first. Then I have to change my site indexes and you know all that. >> Um, some of the properties

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that were ones have gone down, but the ones that are 1A and 1B are going to go up. So hopefully I'm gonna try to get it to the point where according to the sales they all even out because they have to be consistent.

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>> So um >> and that should be accommodated by seeing the sales >> correct >> of those ones that are >> I've got a correlated with the site indices that you're going to apply. And

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because the waterfront properties had so few sales, what I've done is I've pulled out 23, 24, 25 in the first part of 26. >> Um, there were I think in 26 they're running two waterfront sales and I don't remember at the moment where they were,

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but >> Mhm. >> So, I'm looking at all that. But you know when you go down a piece, you know, you go down the street and you know you got a one a one a and no >> a one B. >> The the difference between 1 A and 1B is

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only like 10 points or something like that. >> It's ridiculous. >> The the factor the >> the factor >> the factor was very close between one. >> We need to talk about contracted

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services. I forgot. >> Yes. >> I I'm saying that because this is why I don't like all those contracted services outside of >> Right. >> And I meant to bring that up in new business or the Yeah.

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>> Um >> anyway, >> let's let's >> Yep. >> table it till later. >> Yes. >> What is it? Put a pen in it. >> No, I I I'm bringing it up because I forgot to talk about it and I want to make sure we do. >> Yep. Sorry, Reena. >> No, that's right. And as I'm going into them,

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um, last window when I was here, I talked to Scott um, Santangelo and I said, we have >> who is >> the bureau chief in Worcester of the Department of Revenue. >> Thank you. >> Okay, >> this just cuz people are watching. Scott is

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>> so um, I had I've had a few conversations with Scott Santangel about this. If there's factors on the property and there's no explanation why they are there, Scott says they need to come off. >> So, one of the things that Linda and the

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team have done is actually gone through and tried to find a lot of those and eliminate them. >> Well, we did on the uh external and functional obsolescence, but the lean condition factors we did not touch because we thought we'd do it with the neighborhood view.

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>> Yeah. And we have I believe I don't have the exact number but 400 of them. So and yeah it's quite over 400. I don't have the exact total but >> and and some of them you know where there's no explanation. You don't know how long they've been there how long

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that and with those factors on you're not getting a good true value especially if it's a sale >> you know. Um, so, um, I'm going to take those off unless they were done on an abatement.

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So, there are properties that, um, you and, um, Denise had gone out to last year. >> Yeah. >> And there are some that >> Yeah. But if they have a recent invest, if they have a recent investigation, then they would have some notes on there. What that is, >> so the ones the one they're most

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concerned about, the are the ones that don't have >> that have been there for years, and nobody knows why. >> Know why? Yeah. >> Right. We did uh do some standards too like 5% if they're you know a slope or

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10% for the railroad. So we do we're trying to be consistent because there's been no consistency right >> so whatever influence they have we're going to make it consistent across >> and the do really does not like you going they don't like you going to 15

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and 20% of that. Well, there are some properties where I'll do both, >> but for the most part, >> no, it's not. >> And um so it's it's going to be a little bit time consuming in the beginning because I want to look at when I go into

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a property, I'm looking at everything. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm looking to see that land if there is a factor on it and what it's doing. If I I I want to get like probably maybe 50 parcels that have

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changed and see how much it's drawn the value down, but how much the 1A's have gone up. >> Although there's so many more sight index ones than 1 A and 1B. Um, >> for those who aren't familiar with,

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>> one B was below >> average, 1A was average and one was above average. And about >> 70% of our lake properties were above average, which doesn't make any sense because average should be in the middle. >> Yeah.

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>> Right. >> So, this needs this this needs to be fixed. >> All that's going away. This this >> we're not doing the 1A 1B anymore. >> When I spoke to um one of the people that was from MF

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um and I asked her what the thought process was. She says, "Well, if if you're up here, you have to walk downstairs to get to the water. That's not good waterfront. >> If the guy next door can just walk out and I said, "That's not how you assess waterfront property."

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>> Every waterfront property have to go down to the water. every >> otherwise he'd be flooded property has to go down to the water because otherwise let's start there >> you would be in the water otherwise >> you know we have a sump pump

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>> but the first thing I as I go in I'm changing all the um properties to that land use code that vision already has in my tables there's no value to that it just says waterfront just a land So everybody knows when they look at

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that 1013, they'll know it's a waterfront property. >> Yep. >> Do they have water back in there? >> They don't. >> But I'm going to >> I'm going to >> Yep. >> figure it out. >> Include that. >> Okay. >> And I know on the other one I'm I'm woring go is a site index three.

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>> Oh yeah. It's a disaster. >> 2900 parcels in there. >> It's a disaster. It's >> in that one. I think I might do a little driving around because when I did up the data collect data collection manual

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back about 3 or 4 years ago when I was working there, the do wanted a data collection manual. So I did one and in that I lay out >> Yeah. >> Um numbered routes, you know, um heavy traffic streets, all that is laid out in

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there. So that really has to be put in place. >> Mhm. >> So >> I it's it's going to be a long process. >> I have a layer from the Department of Transportation that classifies the roads based on

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>> traffic. >> Yeah, >> I can print that for you. >> Okay. Yeah, that would be good because I I know you know like numbered routes through traffic roads from one town to another. You know, when we redid all our

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neighborhoods in Grunt, that was a big thing. You know, like 119 is a heavily traveled road and people go up 119 to get to New Hampshire. >> Yeah. >> You know, to go up to towns and pepper. >> It says it says which ones are local and which one are mass, too.

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>> Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, that would be helpful. So, um you know, it's it's going to be slow, but um now that I I have my and I don't have to go backwards, what did I do on that? Do I change that back to the way it was? That

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the test was wonderful. And I just thought that the end of >> last data >> and I should have thought about it because when I had Patriot years ago in Grten when I first won it, we had Patriot and they had a play town. They

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called it Play Town. >> And you could go, you could do anything you wanted to try out stuff. >> And then I, you know, give a shot called Vision. Oh yeah, we could do a test for you. >> I would love to play with that.

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I know would be fun. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I don't know how I can >> We'll have to >> I can get together sometimes. >> We'll have to get together because it's a drop down online. >> Yeah. No, I I I don't I don't want

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individual access on anybody else's. I think it's only on mine, but I'm not sure. >> When you sign in, you log in, it says, you know, your live database. Below that it says test town. You'll have to look and see if you have it. >> Mhm.

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>> So, but I mean, >> so you started experimenting. >> Oh, I have. >> This is fabulous. >> Yeah, I have been playing with numbers. I've been playing with sales and you know, like I said, some of those ones might go down in value, but I don't

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think we're going to lose scrutiny because those 1As are going to come up. >> Some >> some of them. And at least then in those 1Bs totally going away. >> Do you recall how many I know we didn't have very many 1Bs like a couple dozen. >> Uh there were like 30.

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>> Yeah, it was I don't know how many 1A we had but I know the vast majority of them were one. >> Um I want to say like >> pretty close to 300. Mhm. >> Once a >> one. It's in the 200. Maybe it's like

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230. >> Do you have that um chart that I made up? >> You look I I know you know we we are concerned about revenue, but I I really just wanted to be more equitable. >> It's not Well, >> it's not revenue. >> Yeah. No, I mean careful. >> No, you're right. >> The evaluation.

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>> The valuation. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> The way I look at it is, you know, back when I became an assessor, I took >> the GD to do And I look that I took a note >> fair and equitable. >> Yeah. Yep. >> So that's what I'm I'm sure fair and

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equitable for everybody. >> It's >> the way it was done put us in such an awkward position. Yes. >> Because you have one man he has paid and people look they look on >> they can see on the maps. They can see what they're you know what neighborhood

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they're in or what site index they're in. >> Why is he a one and I you know why am I a one and he's a one a. Yeah. >> Consistency. >> We still have people Well, we had a few abatements where that was the situation this year. >> Yeah, I know. >> Well, I'm glad you're working on those

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and I'm very excited to hear about neighborhood three, too. >> Me, too. >> I think I think we should add like about three more neighborhoods. >> Yeah, >> we only have five neighborhoods. And now, >> it's not including zero. >> All the zeros. Yeah,

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>> that is something new. >> Some of the zeros are valid, some are not. So, we need to >> Yes. >> And that is something new in the past couple of years that vision cuz we always have those coded as a 132. >> So, it is something to look at. So,

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yeah. >> Right. >> Absolutely. >> But we'll pluck the lowhanging fruit. So, >> so neighborhood three and neighborhood one, one A, one B, >> those I hope I really hope to have at

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least all the waterfront for the actual bills and I would like to have three done for the actual bills in >> that would be fabulous. >> Yeah, that's that's Michael. I think you know

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this is going on long enough. It's got to be corrected. Yeah. >> So, that's about all I have to tell. >> Um, >> so are you and you guys going to try to get together so you can >> Yeah. >> Sarah can play? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. And I can send you some. >> Would that be >> You're That's your laptop at home. >> Yeah. >> Um, is that something you don't bring it in the office? You don't have an office any place, right? I no just I'm working from I've set up an area for my cell

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phone where I have >> everything my printer you know everything >> although I don't print very much because >> well if if you're experimenting you don't want to just have a whole bunch of papers around >> hey look at all the papers was this was

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this experiment six or experiment seven >> and you know can can I ask you guys um I think you all have my phone remember, but would you call me? I I gave my phone to my grandson and I

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>> forgot to call you. I was busy today and I lost all my contacts. So, >> I have a number. >> I don't I don't think I actually have your phone number in my phone. >> Tell me later. >> Don't Don't give it out. >> Tell me later. If you want to contact Reena, you can

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call the office and leave a message. >> If you're >> because I changed my phone. >> Okay. That was close. >> Sorry. Very close. >> Thank you. >> Uh, anything else you want to tell us

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about the neighborhoods? I think we're sounds like you're making good progress. That's fun. >> A lot of experimenting. So, >> you see what the you know, you want to make sure you've done the fairest thing. >> Absolutely. >> And um

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>> and that's exactly the way to do it. Yep. So, it's Lancaster A three. >> Lancaster A is a three, I think. >> Yes. Almost all of Lancaster and I'm not sure. There should be other factors on there about the traffic, but a hit.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> As would you call it 2A prime or something? >> It's called 13A. >> 13A. That's >> the extension >> because everybody from New Hampshire goes to Route Two by that way, >> right? Because Route 13 is a parking

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lot, >> um, do you want to talk about the other thing we just discovered we hadn't talked about? Yes. Okay. The um potential for contracted surfaces. >> Yeah. There was some knowing that

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Linda's not going to be around after June 30th, there was some discussion about contracted surfaces and um part of the reason that we're in the hot water that we're in is because we had contracted services for a long time. And

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we are >> I'm Adam. I I you you speak for you. I can speak for me. >> I'll let you speak first because that way I can just come in and be the good guy. >> Oh, I I I I can handle that.

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>> Um well, one of the things that we found like when I was first looking at the neighborhoods is that everything was in three and everything just kind of got dumped in there. And also um a lot of our other issues of just things not getting done, our homeowners not

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realizing that people are supposed to go and actually inspect their property every couple of years. You know, people saying, "Well, this hasn't happened and I've been in Lunberg for 25 years. Why are you coming now?" And that all just speaks to

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how little we were getting from our contracted services. And I don't want to go back that way. We're still uncovering layers and layers of stuff that had to get done. And you found a lot of those in the chapter land. >> And that's why we brought the cyclical

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in next year because >> we find it's better to do it ourselves. >> Yeah. >> So, right. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I I think if it's a if it's somebody employed by town, they they have some commitment to the town. Mhm.

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>> And um when we have to ask questions as assessors on the board, we get more information from people who work in town than we do from any contracted service that we've had to date. In my experience, I asked point blank a

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question in my first um first two meetings, classification hearings. >> Was it I think your first class >> and I redirected it a couple of times and it got blown off every single time. never got answered. >> Never got answered. Um, so I'm >> so just so opposed to having contracted

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surfaces if if we can make it happen for ourselves here. >> We've actually we've limited that. >> But right >> so that that's my two cents and I definitely don't want it to become the what as it goes on in the assessor's office.

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>> Right. In 2019, the town had gotten fed up with being um I've got so many phrases that I can't use, but but but being given short shrift on

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as as far as how much attention we were getting, uh how to get any information back that the town at that time, we weren't none of us were doing this, >> uh decided to move to a

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internal principal assessor rather than having contracts because we we were being left by the wayside. >> And part of the problem was um we were asking how were our cyclicals

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going and we got the answer. Don't worry about it. >> How are the inspections going? How is the when is the personal property going to be inspected? Don't worry about it. That was >> a blanket answer for everything was don't worry about it. >> So, >> and I was the one that actually

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>> posed the board, >> you know, you really need to bring in a paid assessor. >> You need somebody in this office on a daily basis, not somebody that comes from another company a couple of days a week and comes and goes. >> Yeah. So >> you know

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there may be a place for for contracted services but when the companies that are providing us the service grow too big to pay any attention to us then we can't be contracting with them. >> Yeah. >> So the reason the reason that the boards at

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that time um decide and I think the select board must have been involved in the No. >> It was all up to us. Wow. Um and the town manager or caffo whoever it was at the time probably >> um when we made our decision then we

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approached the town manager told her what we wanted >> and she was all for it. >> So >> the reason why the contract wasn't being fulfilled was paying for >> things that were not being done >> right.

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>> Yeah. So our intention actually is to bring the cyclicals inhouse now too. Um you know we had contracted those up for the last couple years and they were a little bit late and forthcoming. We didn't get them at on the dates that we're supposed to get

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them. Um and this was >> that are very highly thought of and >> and we're just concerned about >> contracted services. So, >> I don't want us to go backwards. There's been so much progress made. >> Right.

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>> I totally agree. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Sorry, keep interrupting you. >> No, that's No, I I did the same to you, so sorry. It's something that we we feel strongly about.

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>> Yeah. >> Do we need to say any more than that? >> No. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. We'll probably be having a fight later on, but what the hell? >> Yeah, we won't. >> I can save it for that. >> Yeah, there you go. Uh, anything else

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that we wanted to cover during the open meeting? We have two postponed items which are the criteria for clause 18, which we we don't want to lose sight of, but >> y >> has not been on top of our list. and um

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board of assessor policies binder which policies that says polices but that's okay >> sorry >> we don't have polices >> just didn't

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>> I I just didn't until I was reading it and I've read it several times over the past >> couple of months >> I know >> so may couple of them. Um, unless there's anything else you want, was there something else you

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wanted to cover? >> Uh, upcoming meeting. Do you want to want to move it to the middle of June or >> uh, no? Uh, >> what would you like to do? >> Right now, we have it at the 3rd of June. It was the 3rd of June. Never mind. Does

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everybody know that? Do >> you have a secret desire to be a secret? >> It's not It's not a secret at all. >> He is. He s >> I'm not I I sing with the corral and I would love I >> where do you sing? >> I was a lead singer in a rock band for about uh six months.

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>> Oh, okay. >> And then >> I can't say no. >> I I think I'm still okay on the 3rd of June. I just want to say June gets insanely busy. >> Yes. >> For me. Like there's >> a Wednesday, right? So I'm okay. >> Yeah.

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>> There's just stuff that comes up that I'm not expecting because it's June. We can be flexible and Brian won't care. Linda won't care. >> But I I have I will. Sure I will. >> You'll still be here July. >> I have it on my calendar. June 3rd. >> Okay.

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>> Um >> even if I were still here, I wouldn't be because I have shoulder surgery on the 28th. >> Oh. >> Well, I say too bad, but then I say good for you cuz >> you'll feel much better later. >> It's going to be a long later.

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>> But you will feel better. >> Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's too bad. I'm in a lot of pain these days. >> It's time to move. >> Yeah, >> that furniture around. >> Yeah, >> that's right. >> Hire somebody moving a lot of furniture. >> Hire somebody.

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>> Yeah, hire somebody to write. >> Mhm. >> Um, so yeah, June 3rd we'll I don't think there's any reason to push it out. Number one. >> Um, and if if I am indeed elected on Saturday, then I'll try to call the

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meeting. If not, if not, then Sarah can call the meeting with herself. >> Looking at the camera, vote for him, please. >> Yes, please. >> Is there anyone running for my spot? >> No. Well, >> yours is the three-ear spot. No, yours

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is the two-year spot. >> Two-year spot. >> Yes, yours is the two-year spot. So, no, nobody's running for the two. >> Go right in. >> I'm sorry. >> So, >> Brian Marple, what address?

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13A 13A on the nomination page. >> Yeah. 16. >> No, you have to put it fast. >> It doesn't get counted. >> It doesn't get count if you don't have an address. >> Oh, you do need to >> Yeah, I didn't know that. >> That's why if you've ever done a write

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in and haven't written in an address, it doesn't count. >> Yeah. I learned that from you this year. >> You know, life is good. >> I wasn't thinking I was thinking of the ballot. >> No, it's right. It's not if if Right. Um Okay. Anything else we want to cover

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before we adjourn to executive session? >> Do we have board comment? >> Oh, I haven't gotten that far. Yes. Uh well, first we'll ask for closing comments from the public. Seeing no one, I'll ask for closing comments from the board. Well, I was

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thinking of um a former member of this board, Jack, today and I just wanted to say with all the talk of um overrides and taxes to remind seniors that there is a circuit breaker tax credit on on

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federal taxes. And if you qualify for that circuit breaker, you have the option to apply for the senior's mean tested um >> exemption >> exemption um which can reduce your taxes by a lot. So I encourage you to look at those. And Jack, if you hear this,

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that's for you. >> And if you do qualify for circuit breaker, you may also qualify for a deferral because >> yes, >> we could then use that information to defer your taxes if you so choose. >> Yeah. And the deferral rate is 4%.

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>> The rate of interest on the deferral is 4%. >> Which is very low. >> Yeah. >> So, anything else? I'll entertain the motion to um adjourn to executive session.

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>> So moved. >> Second. >> You're not going to read that, are you? That's okay. No, no, don't read it. Don't read it. >> We're going to adjourn to We're going to join adjourn the open meeting and enter executive session and not return to open session after the

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executive session is over. That's all we're going to say. All in favor? I >> I thank you very much. You're all set.