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Let's start here. Tiana Barrett, um, town finance director. >> Sarah Hammer, member of the BOA. Linda Chica, >> Bryant Moskin, I guess, member of the BOA, and Brian Leant, current chair of
the BOA. Uh, opening comments from the board, I'd like to first, as our first order of business, since we have a new member, as is the norm, we will reorganize. So, I'll open up for nominations for
chairperson. >> Well, I nominate for him to chair. It's >> right here. And you have the nominations. Okay. Uh, open up for nominations for vice president. Our vice chair. Vice
president. What the heck is that? Um, >> it sounds like a terrible job. Yeah. Um, I'd like to nominate Sarah if that's okay. >> Sounds like a good idea. >> Okay. And we need to nomination for a
clerk. Like to nominate Brian for as a clerk. Um, we will vote on all three positions now. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. That out of the way. Um, board comment. I would like to make a
comment if I may. Mhm. >> Uh probably several. Um Bryant, I I really appreciate you stepping forward to fill the open position on the board of assessors. It's very difficult for us to with just two members to uh always
get a quorum. Um it's nice that we have, you know, more than two people who understand what's going on. Um you'll have to go through some training. I don't know if you started that yet. And you do have an email now. >> I do an email. >> I did the ethics training. Oh, he's
already stepping up stepping up. That's good. So, I really appreciate that. Um makes makes the the work with the board a lot um more efficient. Um also, this is all likelihood Linda's last meeting. Um she will not be renewing her
contracts as of July 1st or June 30th. Um I want to thank Linda for all the work that you've done so far to keep us uh really uh keep our head above water. Um several of the things that Linda has accomplished, we we we started out we
had virtually no staff. Um and Linda uh but after Linda was hired, we were able to fire to hire new uh uh data collector and a new admin person. So we're fully staffed. Uh I think that's that's in fact the state had required us
to do that or suggested strongly that we need to do that and I think that was uh you you've established a really great team. So >> thank you for that. >> Um you tracked down and ided all a lot of new growth because there were many years
when the new growth was not being tracked very well. we missed the building permits from 20 thou uh 2022 to 2025. Um did a great job of of establishing uh those pieces of property back onto our tax rules where they
needed to be. Um so that that I think is a major accomplishment. It was and I know it took a lot of work. I was privy to a lot of it. So >> you were you went on inspection. I didn't uh we had chapter land that was in a
mess. Um many of the properties that were in chapter were not did not have the appropriate leans where they were supposed to have leans. Um so in many cases you were able to track down those pieces of property um establish the leans or in the cases where someone
didn't want to establish a lean take them out of chapter and and now they are paying their full tax burden. So um uh you know there There there are a whole list of other things. Uh establishing a policies binder which we mostly borrowed but now we have a policies binder for
the assessor's office. I think those are those are some some of the major accomplishments and and every every week and every month we went through accomplishments and accomplishments and accomplishments. I just want to say thank you. >> Oh it's been my pleasure. >> We've made a huge amount of progress
>> in the time that you've been here. So thank you. >> It's been a pleasure working with all of you. Yes. >> And I think that was the extent of my board comments. >> Okay. I'd like to make a couple. Um,
one, welcome. And if you need any help with any of the on boarding stuff, we've all been through it, so we can probably help, but if we can't, we'll say so. Okay. >> We won't tell you that we know if we don't. Um, uh, I just wanted to say that we're
going to miss you around here. I learned most of the requirements about chapter land and how to deal with it from you and I think that was a major accomplishment here. It clearly hadn't been looked at in a very long time. I don't even know how
long. Um and you got people to get their inspections or opt out of them if they wanted to and that that whole thing. And we learned how people hadn't had their homes inspected and cyclical inspections
or even interim inspections between those cyclicals in probably about the same amount of time chapter land hadn't been done. Um, so those were some really major eye opening discoveries that you handled um really
well for us and also I think you know with the people that you hired and I know Brian said this but with the people that you helped hire and get into the office I do think our town residents have a lot more confidence in our assessing department than they they had
in previous years. Um, I know I do and so I I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> I'm going to miss you guys too and our our our monthly meetings.
>> Which were every other week forever. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Um, any comments, Brian? >> Um, excited to be here and thank you for the warm welcome. May I ask you a question? >> Of course. Why did you decide to do
this? >> Oh. Um, we have a family friend who's already involved in the town through the school system and she let us know there were a lot of positions that weren't even no one was, you know, volunteering to run for them. And so with her help, I
got a bunch of people to vote for me and she helped me look at some of the positions that were open and to see which one might be most interesting to me. >> Nice. >> Here I am. Nice. >> Okay. We're thrilled. Okay, I'm thrilled. I can't speak. >> Um, cool.
I'm looking to see if anybody from the public is on I don't see anybody on Zoom and there's no one in the room, so there's no public comment. Okay. Um, we're supposed to review and approve a whole bunch of minutes. I pushed these way up to the front. And I will
apologize. I intended to spend a lot of time doing doing minutes over the past several weeks. Unfortunately, I had a couple of deaths. My an uncle and a really close friend. Uh we had the graduation that I mentioned. So, I was out of town for
quite some time. Um and I will really put a focused effort on getting those minutes. >> Well, I have to say I was relieved when I opened my email a few days ago to see that there were no minutes because I really didn't have any time to read them. But I we'll have some more time as
as they walk through. >> So what happens is there's a a third party that works in the school system. She does a great job of of watching our meetings and trying to figure out what we said and many cases it's hard some cases it's hard to to hear what we've said.
>> Um or it's it's you know we use a nomenclature that is not recognizable. Um and and and it's easy to miss some of the nuances. So she does the bulk of them and then we go back and just kind
of flush it out. Um, for the longest time we were way behind when we when we when Sarah and I started here. The uh minutes were nine months back behind. >> Okay.
>> And we had to go back and create minutes from whole cloth. Um in some ca some cases we had the videos to review but in many cases there were no videos. One one of the thing things we really wanted to drive was transparency. >> Um so that's why all of our meetings are
now virtually all of our meetings are in the evenings so that people can come if they so choose. >> The assessors often have their meetings in the afternoons and people just can't attend networking. Um, we try to make sure that we video each and every meeting so that there's a record so when
we go back to try to do those minutes, we can figure out what happened as opposed to looking at some hand scratching out piece of paper that none of us can read anymore. So, so we really concerted effort to try to be as transparent as possible. Um, and I think
we've done a pretty good job of that. Although it just gets burdensome >> um to try, especially if you you fall behind by one or two or three and then suddenly it's five or six. >> Can you use the Zoom transcription for that or not? >> We we uh I believe that the person that
does the minutes for uses the Zoom transcription >> and then I will go back through and watch the video. It's a distress >> on high speed. >> Okay. What was it was particular when you start quoting numbers.
>> Oh, there are numbers that get messed up all the time. They'll go, how come this this says, you know, 17 and 13 and two and we have 55 and they go, I don't know how we got to 55. So, we have to go back and look at that, figure it out. So, there's those those kind of clean up
things. Um, but I will try to make an effort to really take a bundle bundle those minutes. >> You want me to do, let me know. >> Oh, thank you. When are you done with school? >> Two weeks.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so that's We're not going to go over any minutes today unless you have >> I have >> an executive session. >> I do. And you know what? I got to take off the one for the 22nd because that was the one that you signed. >> Yeah. >> And we added the signature. So that one
needs to come off. But this is the last one from May 13th. So what typically we do the open meetings we but uh through that process I just described for the executive sessions since it's not recorded we record what happened there we've been trying to make uh specific
enough that we know what happened but we don't really want to document what properties the reason we would have an executive session is because a particular property is being discussed for like an well for a for ament or something and that should be done in the
executive session. So we try to make the a little bit more generic um so that we can then post them. >> Okay. >> Without everything being redacted. >> So that is Yeah. Um so do you have how many copies? >> Um I only have three of my
>> uh it's very brief. >> Yeah, it's just the one exception. >> One real estate exemption. That's the one we did. Yep. Yep. >> A motion to accept the executive session the minutes of May 13th as written >> for release. >> For release.
>> I'll second. Any more comment or you may recuse yourself from any vote, abstain from any vote if you so choose um at any time. >> Um recusal is more if you have some financial or personal interest
>> uh as you probably heard through the open meeting stuff. Um but you can abstain you you have the option of abstaining at any time and we encourage open discussion. So if you have a different opinion please share it and
you may have a different insight than we have than I have than Sarah has. Um and Sarah may have we we once in a while once a great while we actually disagree but not very often. So >> it's so we will know when it's done. Yeah. stuff. Um, so you know, feel free
to do that. And and if you want to not vote on this one because you weren't there, that's your your prerogative. You can vote on it if you'd like. >> 17. It's how can I vote on something I don't? >> Yeah. Well, it's just Okay. You want to explain your meeting?
>> No. No. That's one of the things that I like. We had um for the last 6 months we had a temporary member >> and actually like stopping the meeting and allowing us to discuss what a specific thing was so that those people
who are watching us know what a 17e is >> because there was a period of time we didn't know all the jargon and we were sitting in the meeting figuring it out >> right >> that was good for the public good for us and now we're not doing that as much as 17 is an exemption is is one of the
>> spouse surviving spouse or >> elderly elderly person. You actually probably should come by the office because there's we have a spreadsheet that has all of them and it lists the requirements. So that might be helpful. >> So we have the town hall. Yeah.
>> Yep. First door on your right. Um so we have exemptions and there's a whole listing of what those exemptions are. We have abatements and you people may file for an abatement every year right after they get their tax bill. they have a month to file and if they don't file
within a month they we can't accept it >> and that's if they think we haven't valued >> things correctly >> right >> and they ask if they paid their taxes on time first >> they have to there's a whole bunch of other things going on but yeah little rules >> yeah there's a whole bunch and there is
a we don't have any right now but there is the capability of doing a tax deferral >> you can defer your taxes if you can't pay them at this time uh those taxes would then accumulate and with interest >> uh against your property. So whenever
the property is disposed of >> Okay. >> Uh the first the first person that gets paid is the town. >> Yep. >> First entity that gets paid >> and that interest rate is low. It's 4%. >> So it's not it's not prohibitive. Um right now we don't have anybody who's
applied for it. We had one application last year but it was incomplete and and like kind of late. Um >> but you know that's always an option. So those are the well exemption the abatements are if they if the value
is perceived to be wrong. >> Yep. >> And the exemptions are based on income, age and um service or disability. >> Correct.
>> Did I leave anything out? I think you got a long >> are the designations 17 whatever are those statewide is like a normal okay so it's not as you go through your trainings you'll hear about some of them >> okay >> many of them actually
>> one of the things that we have in Lunberg that is not necessarily statewide is the senior means tax >> exemption >> but to get that you first have to file federal taxes and qualify that way which we don't handle. But if they apply for
that, they have to attach their tax return, I think. >> Yeah. Well, it's the um >> they have to qualify for the >> circuit breaker. >> Circuit breaker. >> So, they have to have filed income tax. >> Some people who don't make much money don't bother to file for income tax.
they should because then they could be eligible for the circuit breaker which would lower their income tax burden in total and then would allow them to be eligible for a uh tax break here in town. >> Okay. >> And it's a pretty substantial tax break. So >> yeah,
>> if anybody out there is thinking about, >> you know, filing for um the senior means tested >> exemption, I'm trying. >> Yeah, we'll be accept. Sorry,
>> put that. >> So we we'll be accepting applications probably in the August time frame. applications must be in by the first Wednesday in September so that we can evaluate uh number one, if you qualify, and if you do, how much money uh we
potentially save you on your on your tax bill for the next year. Um, and we're going to try to figure out how to fund that through the town. Right. Right. Right. house. It's not It's a It's a We We have a way to fund it.
We're not happy with the way it's funded and we will try to figure that out. >> I wanted to say to Brian, too, sorry. It's I don't know if Dave told you, but there's a course 101. >> It's called It's a Board of Assessors course 101. It's an overall of how town
government and how do I said anything about that? >> That's really an interesting >> Well, that's cool. It's not >> That's the training course. >> Yeah. >> It's 10 modules. Yeah, >> but course 101 is a separate, isn't it? Separate se Well, for us it is like I >> For us, it's LS 101.
>> Okay. I suggest like everybody in town government do it one should. >> Yes, everybody should because it just gives you an overall >> Okay. >> soups and nuts. >> I wish the whole town took too. >> Me too. I We should actually have a town day >> um >> where you could sit in a room and do it.
>> The first Wednesday in September is the second. >> Okay. date is it's the first one is September. >> Well, >> because historically we've picked a day and said it's the third or it's the fourth and we go wait next year it's not the third or the one.
>> So the first Wednesday in September September 2nd, thank you Sarah. Um is when the applications are due >> and I normally do a presentation at the senior center um so I would encourage
the to to do that cuz it it's been >> put that on your list. >> I have it. You just wrote it down. >> Okay. >> Typically that presentation has been done during the summer so that people it's fresh on people's minds and they come in and do their application and
have it in place before September before the September due date. Yep. The the assessor also does the presentation in the >> uh just before >> January February. Yeah. Yeah. I think I did it in March this year.
>> Yep. >> Oh, yeah. With the um the exemptions, >> it's mostly about the exemptions. >> Because abatement time frame will have passed, but it's mostly about the exemptions and deferral. So, >> so I don't know. We're going to overload
you with information and you're just going to go and don't run away. >> Thank you. Uh, anything else we should cover before we get to the assessor's report? >> No. >> We're all set. Let's head into the
assessor's report, status report. >> Okay. Can I do a I'm open report just to kind of let the board know what's happening with the um the office. >> Thank you. >> You have that? >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Before we do that, you're
going to send this to me so I can electronically. >> Yes, I will do that. >> Initials on it. >> Yeah, >> that was the for the executive session for all the minutes. We try to initial the date that they were approved. Gotcha. >> So we know because otherwise you lose
track. Okay. >> Y. >> Thank you. >> Yep. So uh for the month of May we had six aboveless requests. We had 81 motor vehicle excise tax
abatements which was actually a crazy month. Those have been processed in unison late payment processing by the tax collector. The uh preliminary FY 2027 tax bills were um completed yesterday with um the assistance of
Randy Rosier. I worked with him in May and uh >> is one of our consultants who works in munus mostly >> and he's wonderful. I do have the um preliminary tax billing warrants and commitments tonight for you to approve.
Uh there were a total of 5,318 uh real estate bills totaling uh 16,928,74.99 and 211 personal property bills totaling 523 $23,212.95. >> Let me interrupt there. Y >> so the real estate is clearly people's
properties. Uh the personal property bills are are what we the name of the tax bill that go out to businesses. >> Oh, okay. >> Even though it says personal property, it's really for business tax purposes.
>> And if anybody wants to clarify that >> I don't understand it at all. >> A lot of it's the product inside your things inside. Yeah. >> Well, and there are several different ways to >> I hated it when a as a business owner. Yeah, >> there are several different ways to value personal property for those
businesses. I believe there are three um >> most of them well >> we won't get into that >> but you'll learn about that in your training session >> but I do have those if you want after I go through the report if you want to
sign them or we can wait till later on. >> We'll we'll just sign them when we get to >> the end. Okay. All right. Uh, I did send out the fiscal 2026 supplemental real estate tax bills. Um, actually we signed approved those last month. That was
11,96. >> And we had no new ones, right? >> No new ones. No. Uh, just because it um didn't have a final inspection. >> So, >> so we had we had one more property that potentially could have been on the list, but >> Yeah. >> So, this wasn't closed. It was just we
we had preliminaries. >> Yeah. done the ones that we could do. >> Yeah, we always have to go by the occupancy date on that. So, it >> hadn't been approved by the building inspector. So, yeah. So, that one uh didn't happen. And then, um I completed
getting ready for fiscal 2027 uh in gateway. I completed the omitted and revised forms uh which all we had on that was the fiscal 2026 roll back taxes. >> So, >> just for Brian. Yep.
>> You do a brief explanation. >> Yeah. This if we had any um >> it's not really just for Brian. Anybody Bryant is the one that >> Go ahead. >> If we had any errors in the billing and we had to omit our revisor bill, we
didn't have any of those. >> And supplemental doesn't appear on that. So that's not included. But they do have copies of those. They have been submitted, but they haven't been approved yet by
we're starting our our whole process all over again for school 2027 getting everything updated. >> I saw we got an approval from Becky on 13 >> 13. Yeah, that was we didn't have any amended birth.
>> So, um actually that that was next his his approval on that. >> Oh, you did? I mean, >> I jumped ahead. Sorry. >> You were my extra copy. >> Thank you.
>> And then here's the actual form. So I checked off the box that says we have no previously unassessed or permanently abated tax report. So there's that. Okay. >> Actually look at that approval page.
>> Oh be inundated in paper. We try to do as much stuff electronically as possible >> and there's still a lot of paper. >> Yeah. Um, in addition to that, uh, Kathy updated the directory and I signed a
portion of that and submitted it back to her. So, we should be all set. The directory and the revised and the team all set. >> Oh, the directory is our name. >> Yep, that was updated.
>> So, I'll have to do another update that would confirm the appointment of chairman, vice chair, and >> Yeah. You probably should go. Yeah. Okay. >> Well, thank you. >> Yeah. >> Last year, we kind of knew what needed to be done. And how come this hasn't been updated? Well, no one told us.
Well, okay. Good point. >> So, thank you for getting ahead of that one. >> Uh, it's actually early. I got all that stuff in early this year. So, it was good enough. Normally in the middle of June, I'm rushing on trying to get it in. Um, so that's pretty much it for the
accomplishments. And then as far as the goals, I I just put that we're just going to continue working on the neighborhood review directive and that's another topic. I have an update from her that I'll conduct everybody. Y
>> that's it. Um we are having some mapping issues still. Uh >> so but u working with Mike Shalto and he's going to >> CI >> with CI sorry about that. the mapping company and some of them is uh related
to with vision as well. So we have some errors. Some of them are related to new parcels that they haven't CI hasn't completed the map updates. So the map entering the maps in so that's an error because there's nothing to obviously to link it to. Um so then most of them were
associated with dad but there's like 20 of them that aren't linking for some reason. So he's going to try to help us with that. Um, and then he is still working on that update tool I think at this point. Hopefully it's resolved, but he's been getting some
issues with that as far as errors. >> That's supposed to >> update every week. >> Yeah. So, this is how we find all these errors because he keeps running the update tool that gives us errors. I was like building photos that are missing
and so um but I think he is >> he's trying >> he's trying and >> even though he's trying he's trying >> yeah he's a great guy even though they said don't deal with him I used to call him all the time and I think honestly as
far as the communication and feedback he's on top of it >> so that's been the biggest thing uh I did ask them to add back the CAD as you request in the last meeting, but I did request him to make a label next
to that to say in process value so that the residents aren't confused because you're going to have the up. Well, the CI is going to be kind of current as we changes, >> but it doesn't include the interim adjustments and then you've got your
yearly vision PDF card, >> right? Yeah, >> just for you um Bryant, we used to have two different V uh property record cards available to us on on the website. One was the the snapshot as of
the first of the year. That's the one you get taxed on. Okay. >> Uh the other one was the one that was updated. I think at the time it was being done about monthly, >> but we're not sure how often it was being done. And we couldn't understand why they were significant in some cases
significantly different. Those those those uh um cards were current. >> So the property record cards were were different. We had we pulled those out because it was causing confusion not only
not only with taxpayers >> but with us. >> I see. So, uh, now that we understand exactly what's going on, if we are, if we clearly label it, I think we should have both posted properly
and and that way people can see. Here's what I was taxed on this last year. And here's what my property record card now says. If there have been some changes to my property or there was even an abatement, uh, you know, revaluing
something. um you you've done some new growth so it has not been added to your card. You can see what your card is at that point in time. >> Gotcha. >> So the most most current it won't be that current because we aren't that good,
>> but it'll be pretty darn current. >> So we we've decided we'll ask more than we do before to reestablish the both primary cards as long as they are clearly labeled. off. I really like that you put it in progress cuz it says it's
not or in process in process. So that works. >> Hopefully that will >> Yeah, because people were getting confused before. Uh and I guess >> not honestly including us. >> Check your proper card. Well, neither of them match. What does that mean?
>> Right. >> But hopefully the whole issue with the update is going to be resolved and the whole server issue. I guess Mike is working with Mason. So that hopefully will be result. >> We think it might have come in the other day. The server we think Jen thought it
might have come in the other day. >> Again for you Bryant and for anybody out there uh in order to update our maps, Linda's laptop was basically stolen for a lengthy period of time and she couldn't do anything on her laptop while
all the maps were being updated. We decided that we really and suggested and Karen has gone along with this. I think it makes a lot of sense. We should put a server in the town hall that is there for the map updates only >> rather and we could use it for other
stuff. But if that server was dedicated for the for the map updates, then the the laptop that the principal accessory uses has not been tied up for days and days and days because in many cases it was days and days and days because what happened was it they were trying to get
things um >> modernized >> modernized and but they didn't realize that the GIS is constantly running >> because we ran into the same problem in the tax collection as well because her system is always constantly running people And
>> so it's always update and um nobody realized >> what was happening in the back end. >> So we have all these point solutions but we really didn't understand the umbrella. I I would say is that the fair way to say
that? >> Um so we're in the process nearly have nearly had our server in place. Okay. >> Awesome. >> Which is a good thing. And then I would suggest having Vision do the update of the record pass for $400.
It's going to be worth every penny of it because it it took like it was a tedious process of working with Mike Shalo trying to get those to update. And part of the problem was the fact that um it was the PDF version that that
software piece when the PC was taken out that went away and that's needed to do the math update of the year cut >> right >> so vision can do it the whole less
is more >> feels like better control. >> Yeah. that. So that's um that's kind of the update right now. So hopefully I'm sure he'll resolve everything because he's been on time, but and
Robin's also been sending emails. We think part of the problem is there's been so many people involved at CI that it's probably created some confusion. Um so >> but we're gonna all we're going to get it done.
Yeah, I'm going to put on Robin. >> She just she's making >> Yeah. >> Oh, Robin's great. She's like a dog. >> She is really good at it. And she has a list. We started a list because even when we put in the updates,
it's very The whole process was confusing because we would never know what they updated. So now there's a list to track them. >> Yeah. >> And then she's going to double check when they're done too because that was the other thing too is they'd come back in the mail and then some of them would
be done >> and after they after they're updated they'll need the log IDs which links >> Yep. >> So that's part of the process. >> It was difficult error tracking >> um and errors occurred.
So, so now we'll at least have process. I think that that makes sense. Good. >> Everything in the office is like the actual spreadsheets. So, that's one good thing. >> It's a Robin loves electronic. She doesn't like paper.
>> So, she's good. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, everything is in a proper drive. >> Perfect. Uh >> did you want to do the signing? Now >> let's do the sign.
>> I actually have a um for chapter lease. >> Yeah, >> we can talk about what property it is because that's >> Yep. So that's >> so we don't have to go executive session. >> No 35 lemon store. Okay. The roll back
tax is what payment. This is for the voters. So, >> do you know what they the select board decided to do with that property yet? >> I think they >> it's actually >> Yeah, Melissa's waiting on a there's a
letter I guess. So, that's the only right now from the select board. >> So, once that's signed >> Oh, okay. >> Melissa is going to contact the >> select board's already voted on. Correct. I believe
>> they voted contingent upon us voting. >> Oh, all the other >> Yeah, we were the last ones. >> I think all the other departments said they didn't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we weren't. Okay. >> Well, it based on the meeting they
thought we were the last ones even though we had said previously we had no >> issue in it. They wanted us to take that official. >> Oh, we sent an official letter. I know. We >> I think we're all set. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, um we are the town's going to buy
that property. Thank goodness. >> So, this is >> definitely need to be >> notoriized. >> Notorized. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um >> we we can do Yeah. Does it have three signatures? It does. It has three
signatures. So if we approve of this, you could you guys can both sign it and then I can go in and sign it with the um >> Denise does it now. >> I encourage someone in the office to try
to become a notary and >> so um so what this basically says no she just a couple months ago. Don't tell anybody on TV. >> I couldn't get something to do that the other day.
>> Oh, no. That's good to know. I was going to do it, but then she volunteered and I said, "If you want to do it, go ahead." >> So, this is the Oh, okay. This is the deed structure. Okay. Um, so this is the release
release of class. Okay. So, we mentioned the leans on on chapter land and when someone wants to take it out of chapter land, we then release that lean >> and that's all this is. And then it has to be recorded that the registry of
deeds and it cost $105 to get recorded. So, um yes, I can come and sign it. The other board members can sign it if they >> So, this is because they want to build something on it. >> They want to do something other than what was it? 61A agriculture. >> Um,
>> yep. >> I think it was >> um so they want to take it out of an agricultural um tax defer or reduction. >> So I have to pay back taxes. >> Take that to leave the office.
>> I'm going to have sign right here. Sarah and sign it. >> I'd like to see. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Before I stick my name on. We've seen these before, so now we're a little more comfortable. But you're right. >> Well, I read it while you guys were
talking. >> You weren't listening. >> I I was doing >> You were multitasking. >> I was. >> Is there enough of the that >> is there enough light in here? I notice the lights are on for you.
>> Okay. >> It's a little dark, but >> Okay. Just Just saying. So, I'm going to leave it with you and I'll come in. >> Okay. >> I think I can come in tomorrow and sign. >> Okay. >> Yes, I can. >> That's good.
This is the next order business. It's the uh the warrant for real estate. I have the the warrant from the tax collector. I have the >> commitment from the apartment
and I have the backup documentation just so you know >> this came directly from this part. >> This is for the Yeah, that's what I didn't really say that anywhere but >> preliminary 2027.
>> It's for 5,38. >> Oh, it does. >> Preliminary real estate. 5,000 y. >> So this is the warrant which we signed and then goes to the tax collector.
>> You're going to you're going to have to do this one over. >> You have Brian Marle on there. >> Okay. So, cross that off and I'll we'll have to do it next time. >> Oh, no. We can't.
>> Yeah. Can we cross it off in? >> Yeah. Why not? >> Can you hand >> put ins that >> you want to put your We need to make sure we got this.
Oh, is this the same? It might be. Yeah, this is the same way. Shoot. Yeah. >> How do you pronounce your last name? >> It's pronounced Mosin, but that's not how you spell it. M O S, right? >> M O S O N. Yep. >> Yeah. This is going to be the same thing
on all of them, unfortunately. >> So, I I initial the change. Put your name down. So, you can sign that one, please. Yes. Oh, is there just one copy? We need to change them. >> All of them. Yes.
>> Confused. >> You're all done. >> Thank you. Yeah, we're actually the earliest we've ever been building. It's too >> barely, Jerry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's where we saw that. Picked
up all the well the last generator and any the supplemental bills in big jumps. 26. >> Sorry. >> This is the first couple's
dead watch, too. I mean, I have a copy. What do >> you have? This is an Apple Watch. Oh. almost the same. >> Mhm.
>> Fitment cuz he said that earlier. >> See that? Okay. >> These just I think >> Oh, this is the um >> Yeah, this goes with that. >> Okay. >> There's the There's two more. >> Yep. had more.
>> Yes, personal property, but I'll wait till everybody's >> same situation. >> Sorry about that. >> He's the one that's got that initial. >> Okay, thank you.
>> Nobody ever feels bad for me. So, it's got the the warrant the commitment the commitment the warrant and back >> that I I look really good with my mouth hanging.
>> It's getting shorter and shorter, I think. >> So, there's 5,318 properties in town. >> Mhm. >> Correct. That includes both that includes both residences and businesses. Yeah. >> And and town properties, right?
>> So, we have some zeros. Lots of >> Okay. The rest of these are just a >> back up >> print out of it. I left it so you can finish it. And next time I come on with the cherry man.
>> See it? Read it. >> Oh, I missed it. >> Oh >> no. Another mistake. >> Well, I'm the cherry man. >> Is that >> I do have a sour cherry tree.
your chair on this one. >> You do have a chair, >> dude. How are they? >> They're good. The ones I can get for the birds. >> Relax them all. >> Yep. >> I like those birds. They're cool.
>> I mean, I could t it, but >> last year they were just Oh, this tree has been planted in it just like a couple weeks before my daughter was born. >> Okay. >> So, it's
13. >> So, it's it is a dwarf tree, but it's 6 and 1 half 7 ft. daughter must be sight this bird had more snow days. >> Oh, >> did they? Yeah. When did she get out? >> Um I think they get out on
>> That's good for mom. No, >> I think they get out on the 18th. >> Not too bad. I could be wrong. It might be the night. No, it's the 18th. That's not too bad. I used to always take that I always take the day after in September when they went back to school.
>> Oh now they go back in August. I always take that day off the day they went back to school just to say >> no more phone calls at work. >> Mom, she's doing this to me.
some of the time. >> That'll be fun. >> That's nice though. Enjoy those shoes. >> Yeah. I don't have any anybody anymore. >> You're going to know how to spell my name really well.
>> By the way, if I know that you were interested, I would write your name in, too. I've just been randomly writing people in to different positions. >> I did that as well. >> I think some of them took so
this is just the back of this. >> This is it. >> This is a different amount I think. Oh, same one. >> Oh, no. It's different. You're right. >> Oh, this is the real estate one or the business one. >> Y. >> Oh, yep. Oh,
>> these go with Okay. >> I did update um RRC on the pilot agreements uh because um if I didn't do that, they're like fixed amounts. >> So, I adjusted the assessed value so it would come out exactly on them. >> Whatever happened to that person that
was trying to do the pilot wanted them to talk about the pilot? You haven't heard from them? >> I Well, I know um Jen was going to try to schedule a meeting. >> Oh, okay. There's actually a couple >> is that for the uh for the u solar >> this is the total commitment
>> for the personal property >> we just >> oh so thank you most exciting part of the meeting is all the signings and if you're watching on TV. It's like, what are they doing now?
>> I think my favorite municipal TV is when everybody's reading. >> Isn't that fun? >> It's hilarious. >> Yeah. Is that it on signatures? >> That's it. Nothing else. Do we have anything from >> I have an update from Mina and that is
um >> Reena had contact was hoping to make it but said she didn't think she was going to make >> she sent me this document for that. >> She was in the office the other day and she was like wiped out.
>> We all get to have family life. >> We do. >> We do. >> When >> I don't know. >> So I I printed these off too. How many you have? >> I have four. So if you wanted >> I'll save one file.
>> So you want >> this is just on the neighborhood review. It's a directive. >> Oh, I did see this. I forwarded that off to >> Oh, okay. Good. >> Because Rita said she wasn't sure you were able to print it. So she contacted me and said, "I'm sending you another
copy. See what you can do." >> Yeah. She sent me the word version, but for some reason that file she sent me, I don't know if it was a Google file, but I had to go through and do a couple puzzles. Did you have that? >> No. >> Yeah. >> So, the one she sent you was
was editable by you. The one she sent me would have been editable by me if I logged in, but I didn't log in. So, she sent me another one which was just the raw file. >> Yeah. >> So, I was able to print that off. I actually I corrected two typos. So if
you want one without typos, let me know. >> And you um you go through all the puzzles cuz I went through the puzzles at all. >> Gotcha. >> Yep. Okay. >> Um Okay.
There was there were a couple things here I thought was was interesting. um the sales that we had um >> you know the it was quite interesting that like
we have one sale of the site index one at Whom and only four sales of 1A at Whamm and no sales of 1B at WHM. So it's like but you know you got to put all your waterfront together in order to
have enough sales to make it meaningful. So um we went through a lot of sales of at Hickory Hills because during just after co a lot of people move out of Boston and trying to find a really nice quiet lake where they could
live. Um yeah, >> I I did appreciate that. You know, number three here, she said she looked at how the values determine the factors and then she looked at the sales from 23
to 2026 >> and the 3.7 to 3.75 still hit those sales, >> right? >> Is it It's good to hear. >> Yeah. >> Well, it just means the data wasn't screwed up somewhere along the way. Yeah,
>> it's confirmation that the data was not completely too much. >> This will this will result in some people's values changing. Some will go up, many will many will go up, >> some will go down. >> Yeah. And I think um well, it'll be important to have the
print out of what it was and what it's going to be. >> Um I was actually a little confused by statement number seven. She's talking about changing all the waterfront to a factor of 1.95, but then she's also going to create a sub
neighborhood for each lake with a factor of 1.8. So, is that a different neighborhood or is that um >> I think if you add those two numbers together, you get 75. >> So, it's added. What I think she's
trying to indicate there is that she would add a factor across the board >> of >> and then and then so then there'll be a sub neighborhood for each lake with a factor of 1.8 and then we may if we find that there are differences between the lakes
>> we may change the factor for each lake. >> Yeah. So when I was reading I was like okay everybody's going to start at 1.95 and then she's going to adjust. >> That's my understanding. She didn't tell me that, but as I read this, that's what I >> Yeah. I I I I said, "Well, there's a couple ways to interpret that. I wonder
which one." >> So, those we we we base our values on sales. >> Yep. >> Um sales of properties on lakes, the value of the land is more valuable than the
land that is not on. >> Y on average. That's the devil. >> Hello. >> On average, the sales factor is about 3.75, whatever it is. >> If I have a piece of property today
that's worth $100,000, but I had that same piece of propert. So, thank you, Rita. We were just talking about Reena. >> Thank you, Reena, for joining us. This is Reena Swezy, our consultant on the neighborhood project. >> I'm going to hand this to you so you know what we're talking about. Let me say the numbers.
>> Okay. >> Um, we were talking about how the legacy would be 3.7 to 3.75 of all the sales that you reported. >> That's going to be a combination of two factors. >> That's what that's what we figured
number seven was saying, which is what we were just talking about. I said I think it starts at 1.95 and then the >> sub neighborhoods will adjust up or down >> and um I'm probably going to use um the
lower sub neighborhood for like coes if there is any coes or the or the two small ponds little hickory and mass puck >> and and and the other thing we we should at least be aware of is there may be differences is and we may be able to
tell based upon the number of sales that there may be different between the links. So you may want to factor one up one up higher and another one down lower based upon the sales. So I think this is a good approach. It gives us a two a two-step way to be able to say this
piece of property uh this piece of land is uh worth this amount of money based upon the sales that we have. >> Right? And surprisingly, there's not much of a difference between Hickory Hills and Lake Shirley.
Wham seems to the there's only been a couple of sales over there, but that seems to be a little bit lower. >> Right. Right. I didn't know which one would be most valuable. I figured it'd be value. >> Hickory has had some really high.
>> Yes, it has. >> Yes. >> Yep. Yep. Mhm. Actually, Shel's had a couple items, too. >> Wow. Yes. >> Yes. Small fairly small piece of land. It has >> Well, the one right next to the boat
launch on Wham. >> Oh, yeah. >> That the house covers the whole parcel. >> There's no They don't walk. >> I mean, the driveway win the house, go swimming. That one.
>> Don't drive too far. >> Right. That one. That one was I don't remember what the number was now, but it was it was a reasonably high sale for that period being right next to the boat
launch and having no land. >> Yeah. >> But >> and so you value the house and then whatever's left must have been the land. So, >> and yeah, it's not shocking. Um,
>> the other thing we were commenting on just before we got here was that there's going to be a change and in the values so it'll be important for us to have the list of like what it is now. >> Oh, you'll definitely want to do it on an Excel spreadsheet so you'll know what
it was. >> Yep. >> You know, by this and I I think I gave you the numbers. Um um say oh the possib >> you know um the one there's not as many
and they're going to be affected the most because they're going from average to water. So those are the parcel and there were no sales on 1Bs. So, >> right.
>> But, you know, I've got to do some more um analysis on, you know, I've been playing with the numbers and I I found that if we stay pretty close to overall that 3.7, >> right?
>> It might work, >> right? >> Except the one the one BS are going to go up. I noticed though some of the ones had baptism, >> right, >> already, you know, I'm not going to take those off, >> right?
>> I'm going to leave them on there because hopefully they were from abatements. >> Bryant Mosc Mos >> Mos uh this is Reena Swezy. >> Nice to meet you. >> Reena is our consultant on the
neighborhood project. We were told dur by the department of revenue at our last major review that we needed to revise our neighborhood situations because we have lake properties that are all over the place as far as values are concerned. We have uh one one um
neighborhood that has 2200 2500 parcels in it. It's not a neighborhood. It's not a meaningful neighborhood at least. Yeah, we have a couple of others that are, you know, there's 400 or or 600 in them. So, we need to revise our entire layout of our neighborhoods. Um,
so we're going to focus on the the the ones, the 1 A, 1B. Yep. That that are all water. >> Yep. And we're going to focus on the one with 2,200 or 2500 par parcels in it and try to uh assign
those to some other neighborhoods or come up with some other criteria for neighborhoods and make those neighborhoods more meaningful. >> And in most communities, you're either waterfront or you're not. >> Yeah. >> They don't have these um site indexes
with good >> babies. Right. You hit me up. But the below average, what kind of below average? >> Yeah. So, so I know you said um it was like a lot of the 1Bs had
factors on them already. Are we going to be listing out what those factors are? Well, right now I don't think it the ones I've looked at so far didn't have any explanation for them, but I know um a year or so ago when Linda did
baitman's down on one of the fire roads um those were all pretty much put into a 1B neighborhood because the railroad tracks were right behind >> the fire roads are mostly >> so maybe we can say railroad track and road fire they have roads that are
called fire >> 175 product for you. >> I did also send you um a master layer and >> you know I we can definitely take and using a butters tool to pull out however
you want to look at the roads. Yeah. >> I mean there's there's the highway classification but there's also the counts >> that they've done and it shows differences between you know like our favorite roads Townson Road and Lancaster AB and Massav. It shows the total volume moving through.
>> Um, so that's important. >> So is that telling them that is that per day, per hour, per something? >> Um, it is for when do measured it over the course of a day. >> It's a day >> I believe. So >> that's great. >> It just wasn't marked and I couldn't >> Yeah, I know. You have to go you have to
go to their site um, one step back and read through all of their metadata. >> I know when we were red we're doing all the neighborhoods in Bratton. I worked for the town of Graten for 25
years was in Carl. Um when we re we we were mandated to straighten out our our lakefront property. So I did it as waterfront and water back. So like um is it West Townsen Road that goes along a
lot of towns and I think it's harbor >> um when we did the mraten you were on the lake but if you were on the road behind it and you could see the lake >> we did it as lake back >> y >> because you're not supposed to use a sight index for view so you can't call
>> Massachusetts we're not allowed to use water view or view of any kind actually >> but our biggest challenge was the center of town. >> Mhm. >> Cuz they did a traffic study quite a few years ago. And at that time that's up in Graten 119.
>> Oh yeah. >> People come down from New Hampshire to get to 495 at one point and it was probably around 15 or 20 years ago. They did do a study and it was 17,000 cars at that time. >> Yeah.
>> In the morning and then 17, >> you know, 17 or 18 at night coming back through. >> I believe they >> uh that data shows whether it's northbound or southbound. So it shows morning, evening, right? >> That way. >> Um but it's all like you can get that
layer straight from mass GIS. Okay. and they're >> and and it might actually I I did not go to CI yet to see if it's one of our special layers. >> Well, I'm trying to find out if it can be a layer. >> Yeah, >> I'm working on trying to find out if it
can be a layer. >> And and when you zoom in, like if you zoom in too far, you don't see the point counts that they've made. And if you zoom out too far, you don't see it. There's like a sweet spot of it showing up. So, if you don't see anything, zoom in and out a little bit. It's there.
>> Um, but I also just downloaded as an Excel export so you could see it that way too. >> I got that. And um, my goal is to at least have by the actual bill to have the waterfront properties done in neighborhood through them. The
rest of the time it's going to feel easy because they're smaller neighborhoods, >> right? >> But we still have to look at if it's heavy traffic going down those streets or if it's a cut through road or a numbered road. So, so >> yeah, >> neighborhood three being done means
maybe some of those neighborhood threes are no longer neighborhood threes. They're just something else, >> right? >> So, it's such a big neighborhood, >> right? >> It's what, 2,900 parks. >> I don't remember what the number is like. >> Three times the size
three or four neighborhoods, >> right? >> It's like 3,000 properties. >> Yeah, it's way too big >> out of 5,200. >> Right. the one you >> right >> um when you're when you're going to look at
lake back you can probably in CI click on the road and get the abutters to the road and that'll reduce the number of things you have to click on >> oh makes sense >> that was part of that >> demonstration >> because you can instead of having a
property to a butt you can have it a butt or points on the road and so that can help you pull those link back ones >> or you know another neighborhood that's or houses that are adjacent to a busy road. >> Yeah. >> Or the railroad track.
>> Yeah. >> Good. Cool. Anything else you want to tell us about this? Oh, just so Brian knows, um you now have a I'll call it a sandbox. What do you call it? Test test town. >> Test town. uh in which to take all all
of our data and then make changes and see what the implications are. Well, what changes in there? So, without messing up the live data, >> I did one day Denise called me. >> Reena, were you playing around in the
live? >> Oh, yes. I didn't put it all back the right way. So, I called vision and they did a test for me. They just dumped everything. So I can do whatever I want and that it's not going to affect. So a little bit of experimentation like you
know the breaking up the the waterfronts into two different factors and what would the implications of that be and changing factors for you know one location or because of some other item I don't know it could be cove or swamp or
>> whatever it is you can put something in there and then um and see what the implications are how it changes >> before we actually pull the trigger. I know um I'm not sure so much about Hickory, but I know Shirley has a couple of coes like
where um our friend who lives that came in a few years ago and he's got you know heavy traffic goats and a bus was the um campground >> right at the campground. Yeah. >> Right across from the camp. >> Yeah. So there's a lot to consider.
>> Yeah. Love you guys. >> For the first time in quite some time, it feels like we're making some progress. Honestly, >> we couldn't before. >> We were too busy trying to keep our head above water.
>> Thank you for that, Linda. >> We survived it. Now, there's 400 I think there was 400 land condition factors. the one in that report last year. You're going to look at all those, right? >> Yeah. Did you send me that report?
>> I think I did. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> If I can't find it, I'll ask you. >> Okay. >> And it may Yeah. May want to actually run a new one with vision, too, cuz it probably like a year ago. >> And I know that we did have some we
didn't really change that many. I just know that with consistency. I was actually going to mention that one of the other reports that >> I think there was all 400 of them. >> 400. >> Yeah. Condition factors. >> And what we've been trying to do is we
had note notes well with the economic or yeah the economic and functional obsolescence. We had about 132 of those. Denise and I looked at those and checked at the properties and if there was no notes,
we sent out a letter to the taxpayer requesting an inspection. >> And that's we were trying to at least do it that way. In some cases, we actually when we inspected the property, we found other things that need to be corrected. So, the adjustment really didn't make an
impact, but there was some that >> it it did make an impact, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, did you resolve all 132? >> We did. Yeah, those are those are done. The only thing is the the living condition factor. So >> and that's one thing ask any assessor in
the state. >> Yeah. >> The do say if you don't have an explanation >> get rid of it. They do not like that >> cuz it really skews your whole database. You know we have a lot of these on especially if you're you know trying to
do a reval and you know these properties should be this much but why they have all these unknown factors on. So, >> I'll call them vestigial factors. >> They're just hanging in there. We don't know why they're there. In some cases,
>> your dependence. Exactly. >> Probably should mention though that Mike Terrell in the commercial, a lot of those external or economic factors stayed because he would adjust the the businesses based on that.
>> Yeah. Sure. And you'd expect the economic factors on the businesses, >> right? >> But there there was >> We have some on some pro some residential properties as well. >> Yeah. >> Not many. I don't think >> Yeah, I think there were a couple. >> Yeah. >> Down.
>> That we did put on because of the issues of the surrounding properties and >> Yep. >> But unfortunately, >> railroad tracks. Yeah. Whatever. >> No, the the boat launch. >> The boat launch. >> Yes, I remember. >> Yep.
uh next steps. What are you doing right now? >> Well, when I when I feel comfortable with the with these factors, I'm going in because I've been playing a lot. you will have that test done. And um I've
been, you know, seeing how much I've been kind of keep keeping our running track of well how much are the ones going up even with the new numbers and those might I might have to adjust that a little bit. So we don't want them to go
up too much. We want the ones the the average inputs those are the ones that are going to be an issue because they're going to take a large jump. So they have waterfront property. >> The one of the things historically that
we found was the difference between a one good property and a 1A average property and a 1B below average property. 1 A and 1B were virtually identical and one good properties were
significantly higher valued >> um based upon land. >> And with all this online makes sense. You know, people would go in and they'd look and they came in the office. How come I I'm rated as good waterfront and my next door neighbor is average, you
know, and we kept saying we're trying to fix working on this trying to fix it, you know. >> So, we take away the average, below average. >> Yeah. >> Completely waterfront. >> It's waterfront. And then we will put the factors on based upon the quality of
that piece of property >> which is a fair way to do it. >> Yeah. The real issue are is our neighborhoods were aligned with some factors instead of as neighborhoods with site index factors and adjusting that up and down. And I did um one day last week
I move over to Graten um and I sat down with Tammy and I said can we look at your database on how and they've made it a few changes since I've been there but um they actually have a dollar per square foot and then they have an
adjustment that doubles that dollar square foot for waterfront >> and that's the way they do it I just >> on their land. on the alignment. Okay. Yes. Yes. >> So, you know, she had like I pulled up my property record card.
>> When I sold it, I should have >> I I pulled up my property record card and um it was like $11.22 a square foot and then there was an adjustment factor of two. So, it ended up to be
$2 and something $23 something like that. And that's how how the land was coded. >> And then if it was, you know, almost an acre, you don't then the your land curve kicked in, you know, and the price per
square foot on the land curve kicked in. >> Land curve typically lowers the value of additional property. Is that a fair way to say that? >> It the lean curve starts out on a 2acre parcel because that's signing. So that might be like at $1.98 a square
foot. As the parcels get smaller, that dollar per square foot goes up considerably. So that's the purpose of the land. >> The curve point. >> Yeah. >> All right.
>> So I'm having fun with it. >> That's the whole point. >> That's why we hired you so you have fun. >> Yeah. and make people mad. >> No, we're going to be very transparent. I think when we finally
get the numbers we want to, I think we should do um we should put it on the website and then we should put all the values on the website so people can look full disclosure. You know, you can go in and look and see what
>> that's the whole point. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yep. And that none of that was there was no disclosure in 23 and that's why we ended up with so many problems >> over 400 >> 550. >> Yes,
>> I think that was 42. >> That was I think you said talk about requests. >> Um there were very few that were denied but >> um do that again. The other thing I remember you recommending was printing
out some of the sales >> that that go with those numbers for >> for when that happens. >> Well, we used to do Can't you load that right up with it? >> Yeah, you could. >> Yeah. So, you have it right with it the
sale of the So, what the sale was the >> You could Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And Robin could probably load some of that stuff. >> It's a nice little popup. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Anything else you want to tell us?
>> Still shooting for those two Nick was for this year. >> Absolutely. I It It's gone on long enough. Waterfront. It's been since 23. So, we've gone on 40 years. >> As we go through the rest of the summer,
we should think about what our marketing strategy is going to do. And I don't mean marketing as trying to sell it. I mean marketing as to make sure that this communication flow. >> Absolutely. That's that's going to be very important. >> Yep.
>> And really that neighborhood three. It's every time I look at it I'm embarrassed >> and you didn't even create it. >> I had nothing to do with it. It had nothing to do with it. I just happen to live in it along with the majority of town.
>> Yeah. you know, it's not >> like 5,000 parcels, something like that, and 40,000 are all in one neighborhood. >> And I can't look at that as fair and equitable. >> No. >> You know, so, >> right, >> but it's a lot to do. So, >> yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Hopefully, you'll be able to come back to our next meeting, give us another update. >> Sure. >> Great. >> Sure. >> When is your next meeting? >> We don't know yet. >> Okay. >> We We have proposals, but we'll we don't know. We haven't come to that yet. >> Okay. Um,
anything on so that that's that on the update on the neighborhood review project. The access GIS mapping we've touched upon. I don't know if if there are any other updates. >> No, other than everything I mentioned. >> Yeah, that was pretty much the update.
>> Okay. >> Okay. on GIS. I reached out to uh the department heads at our meeting and um started talking to the players and things that we could do >> to make the GIS system more robust in the town.
>> So, we're going to start >> We're already paying for it, >> right? That's right. >> How to use it. >> Yeah. There's so many things with fire, ambulance. >> GPW uses it already somewhat, >> I believe. I suspected. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's just all kinds of things we could
>> pretty awesome. We'll be using that. >> Yeah, I think it is. It's a good tool. >> Um, anything else on there? You go to the postpone topics. Plus 18 is a
vehicle that the so that the board of assessors can use to give someone tax relief, property tax relief basically on a onetime basis for almost no reason other than they are in dire straits. M
>> um >> this three >> yeah I don't want to go through the whole thing with him but I just want to give he's going to learn about this during as he goes through the thing um and one of the things that we have to do though is we we need to put together some criteria
that are meaningful criteria and when I went through I looked at about 98 communities in the state I found two that have criteria for a for clause 18. So, we're
trying to put together our own criteria for clause 18, but we really haven't had time, energy, and resources to figure that out yet. We've also had nobody apply for it. So,
doesn't mean they shouldn't or they couldn't. It just means that this time we don't have criteria. So, we keep it on here to remember to take a look at her. And there's yeah, there's a whole bunch of several different
and there's something about military something or other. And I was like it was I was like I don't know why that's on there cuz they already get military already get some exemptions. >> But anyway, it's age infirmity and >> age infirmity.
>> Oh, financial aid. No, I don't think >> I think it's called I think it's called Well, it's not called that, but that's what it is ultimately. It's called something else. Anyway, we just try to keep it in front of us so it's on our agenda >> as a postpone topic.
Um, and the policies binder, >> we have >> we have the we have the >> we have the binder >> documentation. We don't have the you know procedures as far as you know doing abments stuff like that exemptions
we have a one drive but that's like documentation actually that we're all put together >> right >> in the binder >> right >> so if you see references and we have for >> well at some point when we have nothing
but spare time we'll go back and revise the thing to make sure reflects the work where it needs to refct the number. Um, but as of now >> and also had we have the data collection manual. >> Yes, >> we never had that. >> That's be a good thing for a lot of the
findation that kind of trying to update that and get it. >> All right. >> More >> they should put on a list to make sure that it gets covered. >> Yeah. Um, anything else we want to cover before we go to the meetings?
Future meetings. Are you sure it's gone too dark? It's dark. Jeez. Um, we had tentatively set aside July 1st as
the first Wednesday in July for our next meeting. July 1. everybody or do I need some other date? >> I can do it. I can actually do that one earlier in the day if you want.
>> Try not to confuse our viewers. >> Okay. >> Um and I know typically we can get this room the first >> Wednesday most every So, we'll have to confirm the room, but um
>> yes, we can do that. >> And if we only do we're right now we're only going to do monthly during the summer unless there's a requirement for something that we didn't anticipate. So, the next one after that would be August 5th. >> Yeah, that too.
>> The snow. And then I believe that the 2nd of September is a Wednesday, right? >> Let's put that down as a tentative >> and September. That it once, going twice.
All right. Uh, closing comments. I still see no one from the public on Zoom and no one from the in the room. Uh, any closing comments from the board? >> Just thank you. >> Oh, you're welcome. I'm going to miss >> Thank you.
>> It's been a pleasure working with you guys. >> Just thank you. Um, and thank you. This going to be >> it's going to be >> Yeah, >> I think um you have a lot to learn
because you go through all 10 of those modules before you can actually vote on anything. >> Financial, you're supposed to have >> the first three. >> I think any vote actually process procedure. You can vote on
procedure, but you can't vote on financial stuff. >> Can't sign anything. >> Like commitments and stuff like that. >> Well, anyway, um they're actually not too hard to go through. >> They're not. If someone sends them to me, I'll do it.
>> Um I think you can get them on DLS Gateway. >> Oh, I believe you just got your email. >> Okay. very recently. Um, >> so there should be a notice that goes Do we get a notice?
>> Um, I actually got set up through the clerk. >> Yeah, usually you set up to the town, so I have to go back to the town hall and ask them to do this. >> They they might already be doing it. >> I have to go in tomorrow. Okay. >> So, I will have a conversation and if
you need to come in, I'll let you know. >> Yeah, that'd be good cuz I >> She's quite the first, right? She signed this and she said you'll get emailed to do the >> ethics training, right? Which I did. She didn't say anything else.
>> Okay, I'll I'll check tomorrow. >> I think you have to have those things done before she can do the next thing. >> Right. >> Right. I I bet it's >> Okay, cool. Uh >> and it sounds long, but it's not. >> It's 10 modules. Some of them are a
little involved, but most of them are pretty straightforward. >> But it's really helpful. I learned a lot about the tax levy, for example. >> Well, like there are times when I want to go back and look at it again. >> Yes. >> Cuz it's a summary. >> It's always there for you.
>> I know. Right. If I get all the minutes, >> you know, that's funny because Ron and I, you know, we've both been around for >> years. He just recently went in and uh took the the 101 course again just to
refresh. >> That's the best course I think every single person in town government should have to take. >> It is the best >> of all of the between any of the organizations. That's the >> I wish they would make it publicly available. >> You can
>> Well, you can if you go online if you go online and type it in, >> you can find it. >> You can find it. Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> I thought you had to have a a a do.gov account. >> You did? >> No, I was just in it the other day. >> Okay. >> Without a go?
>> Oh, yeah. >> Cuz when I was trying to do it before, >> just go in and type Go in and type in um what classification I mean uh assessors that uh course 101 something and then it'll just type assessor's course 101.
It'll in Massachusetts I think is what I put. Okay. >> And then it pulls. Wow. >> Wow. That's great. >> Cool. >> I was not able to do that, but maybe I did it wrong. >> Maybe I did it wrong. >> I I'm >> But from the old school, you used to go
>> in August to the course, >> right? >> You'd spend a week there or four days, right? >> About four and a half days. And >> do gave the test on the fifth day, >> right? And it was open book. But I mean, the book was this big. >> Yeah. It was like this. >> Yeah. And you're trying to get through
those pages to get your test done. And when I took it, I had only been in the graten office as a clerk for two weeks. >> Oh wow. >> And they sent me out to us and say to take this course, >> but I had just graduated from college.
>> Okay. >> So, you know, I'm used to studying. This is not a big deal. >> I can take a test. >> It's pretty It's pretty interesting. >> Uh I will entertain a motion to adjourn.
Do I say second you? >> No, you have to make the motion. >> Make the motion. >> Oh, I make the motion. Well, somebody >> Go ahead. Move it to say move to adjourn. >> Yeah, >> there you go. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I journed at