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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: 0wWgYdt2FI8):
- 00:00:08: Meeting Call to Order, Pledge, and December Minutes
- 00:04:18: Public Comment Period - No Participants Present
- 00:04:41: Budget Expenditures Review, Memorial Day Flowers, SIM Software
- 00:09:26: Town Meeting Notice, Transferring Funds for Cemetery
- 00:13:11: Financial Discussion - Cemetery Funds and Outstanding Commitments
- 00:16:21: DPW Director Report: Back Lot Expansion Cost Estimates
- 00:21:16: Reducing Excavation Costs & Repurposing Road Millings
- 00:27:22: Financial Constraints and Prioritizing Cemetery Expansion
- 00:32:32: Revising Expansion Cost, Loan Quality, and Town Donations
- 00:39:48: Revised Numbers, Adjust Scope, Landfill Donations, Site Visit
- 00:52:00: Town Won't Hire, Union Regulations, Lake View Help
- 00:57:47: Rehiring Assistants, Plaque Approval, Zoom Audio
- 01:00:10: Rules vs. Bylaws - Updating Cemetery Regulations
- 01:05:43: Donation Discussion: Switching Lots - Watson Family
- 01:13:19: Motion to Accept Lot Exchange, Other Discussions
- 01:16:49: Motion to Adjourn - End of Meeting


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Companion is on. Okay, we're all set here with the um Zoom. Let's see if the audio. Yep. Okay. So, I think we're in good shape. We'll

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keep an eye on the Zoom uh off up here. See if anyone joins. Should we all stand for the pledge of >> allegiance? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Well, thank you for coming out tonight. Nice night for a meeting here in our lovely library.

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Um, do we need to call the meeting to order? >> Make a motion to call to >> I make a motion we call the meeting to order. >> I second the motion. >> All in favor? Uh,

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>> hi. >> And that's at 6:03 p.m. Okay, we can move on to reviewing and approving minutes. We have one straggler, our December 11th minutes.

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I did uh ID Spinny was kind enough to send me the text document for that um off of AI and I was able to just for kicks it uh

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creates a text transcript here. And so uh using C-Pilot I just cut and paste. You can cut and paste up to 10,000 characters at a time. And I said, "Strip out the times." And here's who was in it. The only issue is because

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we're going through my microphone. It thinks I'm take making all the comments. But it then it guest it guest who who did them and compressed it down. And so uh I just need to go through and uh just

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make sure uh what I have here is is correct. But we're almost there for those minutes. Next next week, I'll send them out for review. Okay. The December 19th minutes we looked at last meeting and uh

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get any comments. Uh so has anybody everybody had time to review those and any any comments? I uh unless you have comments, I'll

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entertain a motion to approve. >> Want to do each one separate or together? >> There's only two that 26. Want to do them both at the same time? Does anyone have any comments?

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>> There's only two. I didn't know the procedure if you're going to have to do them separate or if you could do them together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Either way works. >> Okay. I make a motion we approve the

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minutes of Friday, December 19th and February 26. >> I second the motion. All >> in favor? I We're on to public comment. Let me check the Zoom link here. See if anybody's

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trying to uh come in. I don't see anybody. The one participant has made. Is there any comments from the public? Any comments from the board?

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Okay, let's go on to our uh budget expenditures and review and um put those into the sheet here. Guess I'll drop this down a little. Okay. Uh, all of the top were um

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2025. I put this together. I tried to clean up. Come on. Let's see. Call here. Um, hide maybe. Oh, disappeared on me. Okay. Well, I had a with 2025 and then below was 2026.

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Um, so those are all have been paid. Did do you know if we um paid for the the lights on the pools yet invoiced and paid that? >> Pretty sure that's all. >> I know. Yeah, it's paid. I don't think we you guys had anything anything. >> Okay.

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>> Us also I think we're also RN2. >> So, of course, we we're working the back lot expansion and you have the plans here for that. So, I'll uh wait till we get into more detail there. Um, we have the uh cemetery gravestone

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straightening and repair which was 13550, the Fish Street Cemetery wall 7,800 and the plaque and stonework 2000 and then um so we've committed to those

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already. Uh we have Memorial Day coming up. Uh did we want to um make a motion to uh >> set the flowers for the front of each? >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. I make a motion we purchase flowers for the front of both um north and south cemeteries. Is that the motion >> in in the amount of um like not to exceed or or just wait till the invoice comes

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in just to get the go ahead? But it would be in about um it was 56. So it was last year, right? 560. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You want to put in motion not to exceed 600? What if it over 610?

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>> Can we just Yeah. Yeah. If it's 610. So I think just right now make a motion to to go forward and procure flowers and and we'll uh >> Okay. >> Cuz you said last time it was 5 something

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>> 560 I thought it was. >> Yeah. We don't know what flowers have gone up and >> it's not going to be that much. If it is >> you think >> with the price of inflation I have no idea. He would know more than

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>> ours are all cut. Oh. Okay, we'll just leave it as it is. >> Yeah. Okay, that's good. That's good. So, uh was it Dave made a motion again? >> Yes, I second. >> Motion was seconded

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to approve to prepare the flowers for the uh cemeteries for Memorial Day. All in favor? I. >> Now, is the DPW installing them or cuz what what's her name? Lake view.

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>> No, the girls do from Lake View. The girls come right in and they they put them all in both both of them. But I water them. They'll water them the first day and then I'll have I'll have the kids water them every day after that. >> Yeah. >> Lake view >> for the flowers. >> Yeah, that's why we're paying five cents a

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>> Okay. So, they're charging >> for installation. >> They look They look great last year. >> Well, no, they were great, but that's why it was higher than what what's her name did. >> Yes. I can tell you. >> Oh, I see.

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>> I'm not doing it. It's worse at the end. >> Okay. And then the SIM software renewal will be coming up. Um, we don't have to make a motion tonight, but I just put it on the radar screen. I think that was in June. I don't know if it's time to ask yet,

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but did we put in the notice for the 20,000 for the town meeting? >> Yeah, that's that's a good question. We did and I believe I heard the town manager say we don't need to put it on

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the warrant at the last select or the previous select board meeting. Um, I sent that email to uh Karen Barrett, the new finance director. Uh, Bill had sent me the um the uh definitions of the

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funds and I um sent a revised for the um sale of lots based on >> So from now on, years going forward, we don't have to request from the town. What do we do? to sign a a paper requesting the the director, the town

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accountant to transfer it. >> Yeah. Yeah. We just um let's see here. >> I think you could just spend out of that account. >> Yeah. You don't have to move it. >> You don't have to move it. >> This was the the text here. Proposed updated. Um

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tell me approval is not required for expenditure. The cemetery commission votes to authorize use of funds for cemetery care improvement and expansion. Uh the commission submits written authorization to the town treasurer and

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an accountant. The accountant verifies compliance and records the transaction. The town treasurer proceeds the transfer and makes funds available. >> Account account reports back to the cemetery commission once the fund the transfer is complete. So the the one

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that says submits written authorization, that's the form that we sign and give to them for each department. >> No, no, no. This this is the request to to >> Okay. So we have to submit something

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to her saying we want to do that and then we all sign it and then she just does it. >> Yeah. Well, we voted to to to authorize the use of the funds, >> right? But do we have to put it in writing now? >> Yes.

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>> Or is the minutes good enough? >> Yeah, I think we should put it in writing. Oops. And since we did it, what was that? Since I just lost it. But anyway, since since we did it as a motion to put a warrant

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on the article, we should do probably a new motion to authorize the transfer of funds for use for um this year's expenditures. Okay. I make a motion we let the town of town know that we want to transfer $20,000

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from the sale of lots. >> I second the motion. >> All in favor? I >> I >> and one of yours will send that out this week >> or an email note for embellishment of

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the cemeteries. That will be Yeah, I'll send that out to her. Sure. >> All it has to be is an email, right? It doesn't have to be an actual letter. >> I think we're good, right? Because we recorded it here. Okay.

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Okay, I think that would do we need uh so um looking at that we would um what we want to get done in South Cemetery and Fish Street.

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uh is 25970. The balance we have as of March was 14283 and possibly interest. I haven't checked this month. Um so if we take the outstanding

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commitment minus the balance it's 11,686 to start that we've have committed >> that we need still is what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> And we just transfer >> we do the 20 transfer here.

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And is that our number left over? >> Yeah. So that will leave us 8,300 going through the year. to expend plus sale of lots. We have money in sale

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of lots >> balances of March. >> So there's the sale of lots balance >> outstanding balance commitments >> that will be the Memorial Day flowers if we assume 600 >> and so that will leave us 38. So, we

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need to come up with 11,000, but then we're transferring 20. >> Yeah. >> So, that's going to leave a th um >> the eight. >> No, that's not right. >> Huh. >> Okay, I see. Yep, that's right.

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>> Okay, so we have 8,000 left in there. And we'd still like to get together with the finance director and go over this. Yes. Go over our spending. Has that looked uh reasonable on the amounts and

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for what's coming in through sale lots. Is that another email just requesting and >> yes or maybe I'll stop by just for sure >> and see if we can set something up.

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>> Yeah, she's pretty busy right up to about town meeting. So >> that's what I was thinking. >> She might you know say can we wait till after town meeting right now trying to get budget squared away is taking up a lot of time. Any

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um other any questions on our spreadsheet or financials? >> That's good. >> Okay. So, we're back at um budget and expenditures review. So, I think we're in good shape.

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Um any other items? No invoices currently due. Okay. All right. So, we'll go on to the DPW director and superintendent reports.

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All right. Talk about the plans first for the expansion area. >> Sure. >> All right. So, we we got the plans, but more importantly, we got the cost estimate. So, little sticker shock there, right? We weren't expecting it to be that, but

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after reviewing what they gave us here. So, the item they have excavated hall. So, that's to remove all the bad material that's in there, right? When we did the test pits, it's

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just junk, right? So, the way they put it is they're going to excavate it out, put it in dump trucks, haul it off site. we think be better just to push it out into the woods, right? >> So we don't have to haul it off site. So

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that that'll bring that cost down. >> Um >> where do they bring it? >> Well, it depends on the contractor, you know. >> So this is this the DPW doesn't do higher out. Yes. To have >> Yeah.

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>> Yes. We'll have to put this out the bid for contractors to bid on, right? Mhm. >> The activation and calling. Is that what you're saying? >> Right. That's that one item which I I'm pretty sure we can get that price down. >> Uh the next item that's I think we can

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reduce the price is the gravel borrow. He's got type C. That's a that's a really nice gravel borrow. I think they can use it. It's called the ordinary borrow. It's by you know quite the same. This gravel borrow is to build roads or

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build foundations. We don't need that >> quality of soil there, >> right? >> So, um, if we use an ordinary borrow and given the quantities we need of 4,100

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cubic yards, I think the unit price will come down anyway. >> Is this gravel for the driveways worldwide? for the burial area, the whole area. Right? >> So, what's out in there now is crap. It's really bad soils,

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>> right? So, we're saying we're going to push it off up this way. Push all the junk off. >> They're going to bring in, >> you know, the the estimate showing gravel borrow type C. >> I don't think we need to.

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>> We don't need that quality. So, you know, I suggested to him ordinary burrow. It's still a good soil. It it'd be good for this application and it's less expensive. >> Is that when you say gravel burrow?

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Gravel is not top soil. It's >> correct. Gravel. >> Correct. >> Okay. I thought you just said >> the top soil is the the item above that, the 4 inch long wheel top soil. Um, I looked at the unit price on that and that's I think is right on. So, I

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don't think we can do any better on that. Okay. Maybe it depends on the contractor. Then the next item coming down is the 8 in of millings for parking surface. I think this assumes I'm sure it assumes that um

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we have to purchase the millings, but we're going to be doing some paving here shortly in town. We can save all those millings so we can the town can supply the millings. You'll just have to haul them from the DPW over to the cemetering.

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>> So when we pave a road, they send the big machine down first that rips it all up. Okay. >> Right. And it takes off an inch and a half. >> That what's being ripped off they call millings. So it's the old pavement. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

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>> So it makes it small like small rocks. >> But it that's what we're going to use for our driveways. Right. When you put that down and you roll it with a roller and the sun hits it, it almost becomes like new like a new pavement. Not quite,

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but it'd be sufficient for here. And it looks more natural, >> right? It looks more like a gravel. >> Good. >> And you know, in this area, we want it to look natural, right? So, I think it's a better option for us. And it's way less expensive than if we had to pave.

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>> Mhm. Well, that's a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Repurposing the road. >> Yeah. Right. So, I think we could bring that cost down. Uh the other thing that I don't Todd, I didn't mention this to you down. They have uh engineering

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services during bidding and construction, you know, $29,000. I think we can eliminate that totally. I don't think we're going to need services there, right? Because you're going to be on site when the work's done. The bidding process, I'm sure I can answer

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any questions and if we need help out, you know, we can pay him by the hour for, you know, whatever question might come up. >> Right. Right. >> So, I don't I think we pretty much eliminate uh a large >> Yeah. >> two acre plot,

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>> right? >> They always >> It's We're not putting a building. Um nothing has to line up because something's >> It's It's just Yeah. >> Right. And they always throw in the the

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last line item there, the contingency. >> What is that? >> That's just in case some of these unit prices are off, you know, things change. So >> that's like plus or minus. >> Plus or minus. Yeah. Then they, you know, it's on the plus side. >> Just in case or just not in case.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So I think the price is going to come down. I know it's going to come down. So you know, we're >> house to We're only uh >> What did we estimate originally? >> We didn't really We just The $50,000 we got was just to get us started. It was

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just we just threw out a number basically. So, we didn't have any idea what >> we didn't have an estimate because we didn't have a scope of work, >> right? >> We didn't, you know, >> do we have the equipment like a bulldozer? And >> we don't have a bulldozer to do it with

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I had one, I'd be doing it. >> Yeah. Or rent one. >> A bulldozer. >> Well, I I you saw my list of burials. I got a list of sal and I got a another fold over here with about 10 people that >> I'm going to be very busy.

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>> So >> that's the thing I got to do >> operator in rent a machine and an operator for >> I don't know I think we got we got to get the grade right means we got to we can't we got to make sure everything's pitched away. We can't have enough settlement. You know, we we don't want

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to have a hole in the middle of all the water. We got to do it. >> That's above your expertise to do that. >> Well, no. If I had a transit, I could I mean, I could do it. If I had a a transit, >> it's just he doesn't have the time to do it, right? >> I don't have the time to do that.

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>> That's the whole point. Yeah. I could bulldoze all that stuff off. We don't have a bulldozer and >> I don't have the time to do that. It's We had talked about that. If I had, you know, if I was retired, yeah, I'd come in and help out. >> Not retired yet, Dave.

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>> I I think we're better off to put it out today. I >> think so. >> I'm sure we'll get better prices than this. >> What's this filter sock? >> So, >> that is because there's wetlands, right? This line here shows where the wetlands

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are. So, you have to put these filter socks all the way around your work area. So any water that runs off will get stopped or slowed down by the filter sock and the water will go through but all the sand and dirt >> will stay right there.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. So that that's a fairly well. >> Yeah. You're not going to >> and the tree. >> So the trees removed. I thought at one time you were going to train people going to >> that's long fell through. You're not

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going to be able to do that. >> We couldn't do We we we had them lined up, >> but didn't happen. >> They were going to take them all down for us. And it was going to be a course. It was going to be a course, >> right? So, >> they're not offering it now. >> Well, they don't offer >> They only offered at that time and we

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had the chance to do it. >> Yeah. >> I know it's not a lot of money. It's But it's still six grand. I mean, still. >> So, is each one of these things separate going out to bid or is it all go to one >> one? one was all one one contractor do

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all this work >> because if you have someone like Flag do the trees they're not going to do roadways so they wouldn't do the >> right so he would have done >> the home so he wouldn't bid >> he would have bid it >> so you're you're you'll have somebody to

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come in and say you're going to bid the whole thing >> so would they sub bid it out >> right so whoever we hire they're going to come in and call they're going to probably call Flag or they're going to call Todd Bennett or Eminem Service is they're going to come in and cut the trees for them cuz they got the contract, whoever gets the gets this.

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>> Yeah. >> You know, >> so what type of who who you looking for to do this if it's not >> who has a license to do all at once instead of >> there's quite a few companies around. >> Yeah. So a general contractor excavation

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work, >> you know, road work. >> Yeah. >> Could do it. Proctor. >> Yeah, some Yeah, they bait >> Baits Construction, Powels, uh there's a couple stuff, Mike Cwley, >> there's some really good companies out there that I've worked with over the

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years and >> Right. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there's plenty of them around. >> Just trying to figure out how it works. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And for companies like that, this is an easy job. So, >> yeah, >> we'll probably get a lot of bids, which is good. >> Yeah, because more bids means lower

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prices. So, right now they're estimating 366,000. >> Yeah. >> And we only got 50. >> But like I said, we're adjusting everything as we go. >> I think we can bring it down here. >> You can take

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33,000. >> What's mobilization? Demobilization. >> That's moving the equipment, bringing the bulldozers in and the excavators. what the load is supposed to be like a >> kind of an overhead cost for the contractors. >> Yeah,

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>> I don't think that'll >> sometimes you put in an item for that or you can leave it out and they build it into the unit prices of the other items. So, let's do a scenario. If we put this out to bed

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and someone comes back at, you know, 200,000, >> which >> we do things in pieces because we only got 50 or >> how's it going to work? >> Well, how much money do you have in which account is

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>> sell lots? >> So, so we we had the 90 minus the 20. So, say 70, >> but we don't know And then the perpetual care is just off the interest. So I think

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>> what's the other item? >> Sale of lots and >> what's the other one that has like 198,000 in it? >> That'sual perpetual. >> We can't they can't you so much >> but the sale of lots is the amount where is your amount of the sale of lots Mike

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>> sale of lots but that doesn't take money out. >> You don't want to drain the sale of lots. >> No you don't want to drain. I mean, you might have another year like last year we didn't have many people pass away. >> Well, we'd have to figure out uh >> Well, that's why you're raising the rates. And that's why when we go into the new cemetery, I think like you guys,

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like I said to you before, I think you as we're building this, you guys should put the word out to the to the folks that you're you're building this new area and you you want people to come in and I can sell lots and get everybody prepared. Maybe we can That's what I'm saying. We we raise the rates and then

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we get some income coming back in to build up that sale of lots account after. >> But you have to look at over the past three years, how many people have passed away >> and take that average

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>> and build it up by how much we want now? >> But the thing is, >> is that going to be enough to cover this? >> Well, maybe, maybe not. But the thing is, you you have to build that you have to get that back section ready because we only got about 40 50 lots up by the flag pole

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>> and we only got 15 left in the south. >> So I know what you're saying. You'd hate to see that drain that down that 200,000 down to 20 grand. >> Definitely don't want to drain that. >> No, I know. But but if you have to do that to build what you have to get, then that's why I said you guys should have to get the word out to the the folks in

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town to come in and buy your lots, buy, you know, get get people to come in and buy the lots. Raise your rates now. Except for the 10 people that are already, you can't raise you can't raise it on the 10 people that I have in that folder. >> No, no. >> After that, after you raise them tonight or next meeting, then after that, then

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you go by the new number. >> Question for you. How many months will there be in this new session? We figured about between 850. >> Yeah. 800. >> Here's a thought in reviewing some of the things that I looked at with other cemeteries. An option for us could be to

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offer burial for non-residents. I'm just putting it out there because there's a couple places that do do that. >> Yeah, >> that might be a possibility to bring additional money in. So, if we have that much room, >> that's up to you guys. really we'll say we'll say

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>> getting this down and all you still needed 200,000 >> and if you raise the price of a lot from 800 to a,000 >> or 12 >> and we say yeah >> you got to buy two at a time right 2,000

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>> you still need to sell a 100 lots >> and we've never done that in a year >> so and we were we were but over time you will I mean you'll start to sell >> but you don't want to be in debt to these contracts But the thing is you >> but you can't >> we have to have the money ahead of time

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before >> that's what that sale of watch money is for for projects like this. >> I know you don't want to see it go down that low >> because if we have an emergency one year >> where be an emergency though >> for $200,000. So

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>> we can do reduce the scope of work, right? Only do half of it maybe. >> Yeah. >> Half the size. But let's see what comes back. You know, I just gave the comments today. See what comes back and then we can just think about maybe

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>> when they when they give you think it's from >> past experience of cemeteries that they done or is it >> so this the way they look the rate somehow a little bit. The way they come up with

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the unit prices is there's a a construction publication called RS means and it has all these different scenarios you know you know a bulldozer and an operator and a laborer and they know the going rates

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for that. So they've done all that work right. I it was on the spreadsheet. It was over here. I cut it off so you can't see it. But so they did it that way. I looked at Mass DOT has a website with um

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bid prices for other jobs. So I looked at equivalent items. >> Yeah. >> And it's pretty good that the unit cost I thought were pretty good, >> pretty accurate. >> But like I said, I think there's ways we

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can change the way the work's done and change some of the materials to bring the cost down. Yeah. >> So, let's see where it lands and then we can decide. >> Just a big shock going from 50 to 30. >> Again, 50 was just we need some money to

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get started. How about 50,000? That's all that was. And I guess well my one thought is if I go out there and we just look you know you think why

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couldn't you just start burying people now that you have the plot layout and stuff. >> Well cuz of materials right it was all bony. It was awful. Right. When you dig it it's going to collapse in. Yeah, that's all

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>> I think. It's been there for what? How many years? >> When they did the when they did the uh sewer project >> approaching 25 years. >> Yeah. >> So, when it's wet, like right now, if you go out there, it's just a mud mud

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pit. >> Yeah. It's just mud. You step in there, your tractor goes over, it's just going to >> You guys saw the the burial I did uh was it two years ago? Did the absolutely destroy that whole area backed in. It was in late April. It was all wet and that was that's the same material up on

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the flag by the flag pole that's in that. >> Okay. So it's it's there and it's so we got 5T or 6 ft down to the ledge. Right. So 2 ft of it we can 2 ft of that's okay on top of the ledge. But the remaining 3T 3 and 1/2 ft we got to push that off

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and put that good stuff in there. Once that good stuff is in there so we can dig down. >> You know it'll stay together. Do we have the old Can we How about Do we have a gravel pit in town that the town owns? We We don't have it over by the old dump

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where the compost is and all. Do we could we get any any material from >> there is some gravel there, but that's a really nice gravel. So, >> we do road repairs and drainage repairs. We're using that.

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>> Even if we have that type CD, that's what we're calling it. Like even if we had calling for type C >> even if we had that material still the the trucking is is what the cost >> that's where the cost >> the cost is the trucking not the gravel is the trucking

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>> you know so >> that's that's the cost that's where the big cost >> mostly >> that's why we're trying to save as much of that material that's why I'm not saying strip it right down to that ledge you know leave two two two feet of that stuff on top of the ledge and then stop then I can stop my my four five foot

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aials up you and put that piece of material cuz don't forget I got to do cremations. Cremations in that in that slop is not not very good. >> I don't I don't have a hard time digging it if I >> Yeah. When it's when it's hot when it's sunny out and it's 80° it's like iron. Right now it's a mud pit, you know. It

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just that's why we want to push that off. Bring the good stuff in. So when I dig it, all the sides stay together. Now, is there any use for that around town or would other departments, the parks or something? >> We can use it right in the hole in the

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back to go bigger, but then we It's still bad material. But, >> right, but it slopes off over here, right? So, >> it' be good. We're filling that in a little bit. Okay. >> Yeah. And then future, you know, 20 years from now, expansion, we go over

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the top of that. >> Just go over the top. So you don't care too much what's under it as long as you got a good base on top. >> Correct. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And then the low. Do you need 4 in alone? Can you do two? I mean

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four is our good grass. Yeah, you got to have I mean we it took me a long time to get the grass to look as decent as it did. >> It does now, you know. I mean, when I started it was just a a dust bowl and and it was just now it's not too bad.

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>> Compost down at the compost place. You can't >> nice area and then compost alone as as we go or something. >> It's not the same. It's not lone. It's it's >> compost. Yeah.

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No, I get it. Yeah. >> Trying to get it down, but you're talking. >> So, we'll have to bid and see where they come in and then we'll have to go to town. >> Well, first we're going to get the revised cost estimate. Right. >> Right.

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>> And, you know, if it's I think that's >> it'll probably come in around 200. Right. So, then we got to decide, do we want to do this full area? They want to cut it back a little bit >> maybe to fit into the new town

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accountant and get some recommendations which she suggests that we can because I don't think we can go for the town's people volunteer what do they call it

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volunteer money >> donations >> donations I don't I think because we're a town, we're under the town. I don't think we can ask for donations from the towns from what I heard in the past. >> Why would you?

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>> Because we're part of the town. The town doesn't ask for donations. If someone comes and donates, that's another >> I see. But you can't ask. >> Oh, I got you. I got you. Can't solicit ahead of time. >> But if we know someone that wants to

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start an organ 501c3 and come under us. If we know someone that we're not involved in it, we can't be involved. >> But if someone wants to put some time into going for a 501c3 and then asking

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just like the senior center does, they have a 501c3 and they collect money to give to the senior center. But I don't know if the people in the town want to spend time to to help us,

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>> right? >> And I don't know if it's a good idea to separate this, you know, five years down the road to another quarter or another five years down the road to another quarter.

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Then you're starting to dig up different sections again. What happens if you hurt the first section that people are buried in? >> Well, I don't know how close you section first. >> So, you wouldn't go over the graves.

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>> Oh, no. Right. >> No, no, we put no equipment like that that big stuff. No, no. >> Yeah. You you'd start at the road and go out, right? >> Right. Yeah. >> Could you >> How close do you can you get? Well, again, we're just it's hypothetical because we don't know how much money we're going to get or we don't know how

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much it's going to cost. I think I think Bill's right. I think we just got to you guys know the numbers now. We just got to now see what they come back and see what they say. You know, we're going to revise the numbers. I think we should just kind of move on from this and just say, "Okay, we we know what the numbers are. Now we're going to revise it. Get

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it get it down, >> you know, and then then move on a little bit more." This was just a shock because believe me, we were a little we were a little shocked, too, you know. We didn't think it was going to be that much, but Is there any construction going on in this town or

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around town that they're taking farmland and building homes? They have to get rid of some of the land and they just truck it to a long way where they can truck it to us. >> Remember they were doing something on watch. Remember those homes that they

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built? >> Ledge ledge. >> Yeah. But like Lemonster Road. Yeah. But again, that's a donation, right? So, >> well, >> it's a different way. We're not asking. We're just letting them know that any

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trucking company that wants to get rid of it, we have a space for it, >> right? But we can't we can't just push out junk stuff and have more junk stuff come in. It's got to be the right stuff. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> well, I don't It's all prime junk stuff. >> Well, it's loom. You don't You can't put

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loom in in the hole, you know. That's file. >> They're not going to get rid of the loom. They're going to use it themselves. >> They're going to They're going to take the junk out, >> right? >> I kind of think that's, you know, that's can't do that.

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>> Okay. >> Need a town sand and gravel pit. And we don't have anything enough to behind Young's road to do any bring anything in. No, there's sand and there is some gravel there. Like I said, it's

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it's a really good gravel for roads, right? It's it's more than what we'd need here. And I don't believe there's enough. Anyway, >> what about the sand, sir? >> Well, no, you don't want sand because you'll never be able to dig holes. >> They just keep collapsing.

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Dig a hole 10 ft wide to go down 3 ft. >> It just can't be just can't be anything, you know. That's why we're pushing that stuff off cuz it's >> Mhm. >> We got to have the right stuff. >> Yeah. >> Let's see what the business is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not there yet.

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Like I said, we're revising the estimate. >> Okay. >> And then if it's still too high, we could talk with Dillis and Roy. All right. What can we do to >> reduce the area but do it in a way that we can,

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you know, do the next area five years from now or something, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Because we're changing the grades, right? That's what this is showing. We're changing the grades an awful lot, >> right? >> So, we got to be careful, you know, if

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we cut it in half, we got to be careful what the grades look like >> beyond it, right? So we might >> we have to pitch it back. >> We'll probably have to do some work in the outer area too to to make it all work. >> So that's what we'll need to talk to them about.

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>> So like you said, we got to we got to see, >> right? We got to see what they come up with next with numbers. The numbers are the next thing. >> Right. We got to wait for revise numbers. Then we could talk to them about reducing the scope of work. >> How are you re

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revising the numbers? They gave you these. >> They did. >> But you go back and >> but like I said, I think >> we can change the way some of the work is done. Change some of the materials. >> Okay. Yeah. We just crossed off probably those three on the bottom. We pretty

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much cross off >> somewhat and then we got to cross off the, >> you know, 69,000 >> 63,000. I can't see that. >> But >> yeah, that'll come down. >> That'll come down. will borrow will come down

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>> based on what you saw. Have you did come up with your own numbers to give us an idea of what this will come down to? >> No, you haven't. Okay. >> So, we'll we'll have a better idea by the next meeting.

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>> Yeah. So possibly maybe do a section from the existing road and wall out or you can look at maybe you do from here over >> maybe do half or do >> yeah possibility

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>> that's what we need to talk to them about the the easiest way to do it and be ready to do the next section like Dave says without disturbing the section we just did. Yeah. Is the biggest area of removal is Oh, okay. So, if I if I look at this,

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this is the road coming in >> here, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And where you kind of stand and look out. So, the hill is on the back side. >> Yeah. The holes in the all the way in the back. >> And that's in the back. So you could you could prep in here and do the hill last

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or I mean working this way or you could maybe go this way and up or >> what's the darker dotted line with an a >> So that's it's called a section line. So if you can pretend you're looking at it

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>> Yeah. >> this way. Right. >> Okay. >> Right. So the profile that's over here suction in the back side. >> Okay. >> Right. So that's you know if you can

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>> like you're looking at the side of the table there. Instead this plane you're looking down at the table. This side you're looking at the side of the table. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It was a stick of shock. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that cross-hatched area that's

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that's all coming out, right? So >> yeah. >> Yeah. Well, all all but two feet of it, you know. >> And then on over where the cremation area is, we have to go down two feet. We have to go down five feet. We have to go down two feet over there

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>> because the cre the cremation holes are 18 in. So we need two feet of good material, you know. >> Oh, I see. Yeah. That's like 35 here. >> So each block is 5T 5T high. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. So it's don't do that. >> So the grades are so funny, right? So we want to kind of level it out. >> Yeah. >> Make it easier to >> like I said. So cutting it in half, we'd have to work with them because that

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changes all the grades over here. >> This is the cremation here. >> Yes. on the right side. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a possibility if we do math and we'll see what the numbers are and see see what it is. >> Yeah, >> that's all. >> And how close is this to the wetland?

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Wetlands are here, right? This is >> that dotted line is the wetlands. So, I think the close >> the dashes, right? Oh, that's the 100 foot buffer zone. Yeah. So, >> to the right. >> So, the wetland's 100 ft to the right of

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that line, >> right? But you can't do any work inside the 100 foot buffer zone. >> Well, we clip the corner just a tiny bit there. >> But they're they're already clipping here. >> Yeah, just a tiny bit. >> Yeah, we >> I don't think the conservation commission

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>> you can move that up. >> Yeah, you just slide the whole thing back. Yeah. >> So each of those boxes is one cremation >> one one lot cremation which has eight

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eight cremation >> burial spots. So one lot has >> so if we had to one two three if we had to get rid of three we'd be getting rid of 24. Well, no. They'll, like I said, like like Mike just said, if conservation says push

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them back to get those two out, we'll just, you know, we'll just push push it back this, you know what I mean? Just eliminate them, but we'll put them at the other end. >> Put them at the other end. You know what I mean? >> It's not that's not a that's not a problem. But I don't think I don't think they've got a problem with that at all.

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We're so so much higher >> to where the water is down below. I don't think they're leaving. >> Okay. So, your best suggestion is just to go out to bid, not try to figure out better pricing or anything. >> No, we are going to figure out better

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pricing >> before we go out to bid. >> We can't go out to bid till we we know we have enough money to do the work. >> Okay. >> Right. >> So, that's where we're at. We're going to check the the dollars again and then reduce the scope of work as

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>> the bid producing work. >> You don't have to for engineering. >> Yeah. >> So, we don't know if there's someone else out there because they use these special books. We don't think that they would be any less expensive. >> I think Del Roy is probably the cheapest

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you're going to get. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They're going to be pretty good. >> Yeah. >> They're good to us in town. They're well known. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They work. >> They're well known. >> Yeah. >> So, I use other bigger companies and the bigger the company, the more the

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overhead, the more they charge you, >> right? >> We need a guy in a truck. >> There you go. >> Well, we needed the town to hire another person so he can get on back home and start doing

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>> Yeah. Well, that's a deal, too. Well, that would be one of >> Can we do that? >> What if what if what if we um >> during the time you need to do this, we used someone to do like Lake View or

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somebody to do the mowing. >> We're a union. We're, you know, we're a union. >> That's complain. >> I know, but that's that's what I'm saying. We can't we can't we're not really supposed to hire, >> you know, consistent work all every

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other week. We can't have we can't we're not supposed to do that. The reason we're having we have them help help me is for those wonderful holidays, Memorial Day veterans, >> you know, that that's okay. That's acceptable, you know, because they come in, they help, we get everything cleaned up, but to have them on a regular basis,

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I don't think the union's going to >> Well, it's not it's only for how many months is it going to take? still, you know, if if the union gets involved, they're going to want the union workers coming in and doing that stuff. Then you're going to have to pay union rate. >> You know what the union rate is for cutting grass?

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>> I don't know. But I'm sure it's pretty high, you know? So, you got to be careful that too, you know, right? I mean, the union's going to if they get involved, they're going to say, "We're not happy. You're not h you're not hiring anybody if it's not union. It's going to be union." So, you got to be

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careful, too. You follow me? No. Not yet. >> I'm just trying to figure if you're doing something still for the DPW and we're trying to and the town won't hire

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another person. So, we bring a contractor in that has done it in the past. Yes. >> But instead of for five holidays, he does it for seven months. >> That's what I'm That's what I'm just saying. the if the union could get the union could say something.

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>> Yeah, but why would the union complain if you're saying, "Okay, I'll do it." >> No, wait. >> You want to explain it a little bit better? >> Uh, we can't do it. >> We can't do it. We can't do it. We really can't do that. >> Okay. I mean, yeah, it's great that Lake

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View comes in or Bolak and they help me out because they know they can help me and get get those cemeteries looking good for those holidays. But to have them come in all the time, the union would flip out. They'd be like, you're not you're not using outside help. You're going to you're going to if you're going to do that, you're going to you're going to use our union guys at

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union wages. >> Yeah. To do the dayto-day operation. >> He can't afford that. The town can't afford that, >> right? Okay. >> So, you got to kind of be careful with >> Okay. Well, let's uh let's see what you can do. And uh >> I mean, I don't work working hard. I

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like I like to work hard, but I can't I can't I can't do all that bulldozer work and all that, >> you know? Can't do all that. >> Yeah. >> Can we put a proposal to the town after we get all this in? one way

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that we're going to need money and the other way we hire a person so that you can do the bulldozing and stuff going through both scenarios. >> I don't think you can do that. >> I don't think so. That's not going to work, Dave. That's not going to work. My

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job is the cemeteries. I am I'm I'm >> But we're trying to get someone to work with you. Well, then you're hiring someone to go do the work in the se in the >> in the cemetery and then you continue. >> But that's what I'm saying. The union's going to get involved and say you can't hire

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a person that's not a union contractor. You you have to be you have to be union to go. a 100 person in house. >> They they pay them. The town pays them a regular salary person >> to help you and that gives you free time

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to Well, I don't know where we're going to get that money. >> We don't have that money. >> I get $20,000 to have the kids come in and help me. I don't know where I'm going to be able to Well, Bill be It's really Bill. I don't know where he's going to get the money to hire someone to come in and do that work.

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>> Yeah. So, so we got to we got to massage and look at the numbers and see where we have material and all that and what what we can take out and see what that >> the first thing we did just right now is that's just that first >> and and you're saying we can't go out

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and like if we don't have the money if you guys do this and think well we got the the 360 down the 275 you can't go out and say I want to bid it that >> you know cuz we don't have the money to

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cover it. Do we have to then um go and get the money commitment as a capital um funding, >> right? >> So you you you need a you need to have real funds to bid a project. >> Yes. >> Okay. So we can't just go, hey guys, go

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take your best get at at this and have and then come back to a number and then say we'll go to town meeting and tell you if you get the job. We got to we got to get this down as low as we can and then we can then we can >> then we bid the number we come up with >> right then we >> No no no we got to get the funding

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>> right once we come up with a number >> money or town meeting >> whether it's 100 180,000 200,000 we got to find that number first then we can move forward that that way. >> So we need to have the funds and then you can go do a final real bid.

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>> Okay. >> No, that makes sense. You don't want to be going off and telling people you get these jobs and then >> but we don't have money. >> They don't have any money. Sorry, we don't want to do that. But

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okay, the other thing is well stump removal and tree removal is $7,000. What else? proceeding. I'm just wondering if we can do some

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things in within our budget now knowing that's going to be more than 50 later, but we do have that money that we can use. We could do another site visit once once you get this thing um worked a bit and

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just talk it again >> because the stump removal and the tree >> removal, >> we can we definitely can take care of that. >> $7,000. >> My opinion, if you do that separate from all the other work, it's going to cost you more.

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and just have my guy come over and he's got a big >> It's a much smaller job, right? >> Just the tree work. So >> $110 to remove a stump. >> There's nobody going to come in with a backhoe and remove a stump for $110.

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>> You can't you can't bury stumps. You have to haul them out. They got to be ground up. They have to bring them to a company that gets them ground up >> and it has to be documented. You just can't you just can't rip a stump out of the ground and go dig a hole over there like they used to back in, you know, years ago. You can't do that. >> Can't do it.

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>> That's all document. They're going to have these all numbered and documented. >> There's a place on Route 70. >> I'm not sure. But >> but you're not going to get somebody to come in and just do the tree work for this price. There's no way. Not a chance.

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>> Okay. So, what is it? Triple >> probably. >> Yeah. So 21 21,000. >> Now let's save your money for the rest of the work. >> Yeah. I don't want to be I don't want to say nothing bad, but

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>> we had a chance to get rid of 13 trees for zero. Remember three years ago? >> Mhm. >> And that fell through. So we're trying our best. >> Trying our best. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Do >> we need to make a motion for continue or just what? >> Nope. We know what we have to do. >> Yeah. >> Next. >> I'm watching the Zoom meeting. No one's

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trying to join in. >> I think this is shut off. >> If it's been 45 minutes, it's done. >> Is it? Did I just knock it down? No, >> you still got it. >> Still here.

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For some reason, I minimized it back. There it is. >> Oh, >> okay. So, um, continuing with reports. >> Yeah. >> What else do we have? >> What did you want to go next?

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>> We have the the two helpers that we used last year. We've reached out to them. They both want to come back. So, we're in the process of rehiring then. >> Yeah. >> Hopefully within the next couple weeks, we'll have them. >> Are they part time? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Work is sure. >> We only have so much money between now and the end of the year. So, >> which is July 1st. Well, June 30th, right? >> Have to track that. >> Yeah. Think we'll be okay though. What else you got? >> What else?

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>> Uh, you want to do the You want to do the plaques? You want to do the plaques next or you want to do >> Yeah, we talk about the plaques, right? Okay. >> I think we got some feedback on the style. >> Yep. What you guys wanted? >> I think this what we all settled on. I think >> I think they look great. >> Yeah.

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>> I'm just going to give Kelly a call. Yeah. If the commission's all right with it, we'll get in order, right? >> Yep. Do you want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion we approve the plaque for the Fish Street Cemetery. >> I second the motion. >> Okay. All in favor?

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>> I like the idea of the amper stand. >> Yeah. >> I think it makes it >> Yeah, it does look better that way. >> Yep. And it's more clear what going on there.

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That was good. >> Okay. So, that's good. Yeah. Just looking at your agenda, the next thing you have is rules versus bylaws. >> Yeah. Just our conversation on on that. Uh and and

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we're looking at the pricing. >> Oh, so Todd and I kind of looked at the existing rules, right? They're in the town charter and some of the things aren't really rules for the cemetery. They're rules for maintenance and I don't think it's

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the right place for that in the charter. So I I think the right place would be cemetery commission policies, right? So we kind of rewrote the rules to be rules that you know you hand out to people. These are the rules for

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you know burying your loved ones in the cemetery. And then we took out all the rules for maintenance and put it into a policy section. So I'll give you a copy of that.

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>> I think it's a test, right? >> Yeah, that should that should go on. >> Oh, yeah. >> The two bottom half. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Now, the three pages of rules and regulations, we're going to condense it down to two pages. Well, when we handed this on paper,

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>> I just made it bigger to make it easier so you can see it. >> You want to try and get it back down. >> So, my recommendation is you guys take it home, read it over, >> come up with your thoughts and comments and we can talk about it at the next

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meeting because there's a few changes that I'm sure we're going to talk about. Is there um >> that's good that's a good idea breaking them out to what's pertinent to each >> Yeah. Yeah. Because the grass mowing

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stuff that that applies to us, right? >> Right. It doesn't apply to people buying a lot. >> Right. Right. >> So, it's not really the appropriate spot. >> Cemetery rules and regulations. Is anything written about the the wells?

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>> No. >> The wells where you walk, you know, the well where you can water your plants and stuff like that. >> No. >> No. >> Do you want to add anything so people know that there is a >> seems to know three?

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>> How can How could that be a rule? >> Yeah, it's not going to rule. It's just like something somebody would want to know if they're burying somebody. Oh, there's a wall here. >> Yeah. Well, I think that's when Todd talks to people, right? I'm sure you

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mentioned a lot of communication with >> Yeah. What are we going to make a rule? You can only use a gallon of water a day or something. That's silly. >> Is your name wording >> from the previous >> property of those

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>> property cards? Are they? >> Okay, >> that's what we need. >> Postpone this till next month. >> We'll read this existence online. So, you can kind of look at what what's on the e-code is not

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up to date, >> right? It's >> not what was voted in. >> What's the date? >> Uh 10 3123. Those rules aren't actually up there. Yeah, you can see it in two like two

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like if you go to the town charter, you're getting old. >> It's old rules, right? And >> that's why that's why I said last meeting, we got to we got to get this nail down and the price and get the rules all correct. Then we can update the the website and the town and all that stuff. So everything's the same

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before we go into that new area. maybe. >> So, I think I think our I think on the cemetery commission page the links everything's correct. If you go into the town and pull up the general charter, >> it's wrong. >> You get wrong information.

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>> It's really >> So, you can Yeah. Just go to site. >> It was amended 103123. >> That's it. That's That's the latest. Yeah. >> That's the latest one. Do you want me to make copies and give it to you guys or >> um that's the previous

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one? >> I'm just I'll just look. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So you can compare. Well, it's the same. There are some changes. >> What was the date? >> It was amended for 10:3123.

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>> Right at the top. >> At the top. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. But it's evidently different from what Bill just gave us, right? >> Even though his says also was amended, >> right? That was the date of the last amendment. So this would be the the

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newest amendment was proposed. >> Sure. Couple things on that. >> You want to go to You want to go to that next? >> Yeah. wanted to explain it cuz I don't quite remember off the top of my head. >> All right. So, if you guys see >> what are we looking at?

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>> Okay. Yep. See where it says town donation up on the right hand side? Right up on the right hand side there. >> Mhm. >> Okay. We have a we have a burial in there. And this this family gave us this lot.

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Scott Watson. Scott Watson owned 3 U. I think it's 3 U. No, 5 U. 5 U. So, he gave us 5 U and um he donated to the town. And if you look

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at the second page, it shows Lunberg Town 5 U. >> Yep. >> Okay. He gave us that. All right. >> Right. But on the front page where it says town donation up top, you guys donated that part. You know, the cemetery commission said, "Okay, we'll make that." So, there's a body there.

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So, what I'm trying to do is I want to take Scott Scott, Mr. Watson, Scott Watson, we can resell his his his a lot with the eight cremations. We can we can sell that lot and then instead of having town donations, we'll put Scott Watson

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donated. You you follow what I'm saying? I'm just switching it over from from 29 U to uh >> where's 29 UC? >> Where it says town donations on the front page. >> So that's 29 U. >> 29 U. We're going to put uh we're going to put donated by Scott Watson.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. So that's going to be the Scott Watson donation. We already have a burial there. That was a hardship. Somebody died. That was 19 years. And when when Maserelli sold out to Anderson, they had they had an earn left over. And we had said I had asked you

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guys can we can you can we can you guys donate so we can bury this person and you guys said okay we'll do that. So we donated that area. Then Scott now we don't need two that's what I'm saying we don't need two areas of donations of of 16 of 16 graves. Eight is enough. So

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Scott donated his. We're just going to change the instead of saying town donation on the top, we're going to say the Scott Watson donation in family and then the town and then we can sell the one that he gave us on the second page. >> Which is is it 5 U is that?

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>> Yep. 5 U. So now we just gained we just gained. >> Who owns 5 U now? >> It was just it was given to us. >> So that that's what I'm saying. >> I thought 29, >> right? You that's what you guys had donated first. So, what I want to do is I don't want to have 16 grays that that

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16 cremation graves. We're never, you know, we're never going to be we could sell Scots on the second page and then instead of having town the town donations from you guys, we'll we'll just give it we'll we'll name it after Scott for giving us that. You know, you follow what I'm saying? We're just

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taking Scott's name and put >> flipping it. >> Exactly. We're just flipping. >> So, you're taking this and you're saying it's here, >> correct? Scott Scott's name cuz he donated all the five to see, >> you know. >> So then we gain gain those plots every >> So we're going to make money off of that. >> I get it.

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>> You know, >> but we we have to still recognize the Watson family for giving it to us. So now we have we have an eight block donation from the town and we have an eight block donation from Scott. >> Mhm. >> We don't need 16 cremation, you know. >> Oh, I see what you're saying.

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>> Donations. So these are just donations or just >> Right. >> That was his burial cremation. >> Cremations, right? >> But I want to make sure Scott's Scott's family's recognized for giving that to us cuz he moved and he gave us the law. He says he says, "I don't want no money

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back. Just >> Where is this located?" >> So he's he's not exchanging anything. He's just >> Oh, no. He just said, "You can have those." And he says, "You can donate them." Okay. >> Right. But then then I thought about it. I says, "Oh, boy. You know, we're going to have 16 cremation lots that would

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never never have we'll never fill that for >> what's the location. >> Soon as you walk in on the main entrance right on the left, >> that's the the eight block cremation. >> So, it's near the first >> right behind the sign, the big granite sign will be there's another right here. >> Okay.

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>> That's the eight block cremation area right there. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So, that's all I'll do is I just want to change I just want to We can sell this now. We can sell 5 U. You guys will get your >> So that goes from Scots to the town. >> Yep. Well, it'll it'll go it'll I'm

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going to make it available for anybody to buy. >> So town of Veil, >> but the 29 UC that you guys had donated earlier. >> Mhm. >> Now is going to be the Scott the Watson family donation for a hot ship if anybody doesn't have any money if they need.

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>> But is it staying where it is? >> Yeah, it's going to stay there because there's a body there already. There's already cremation. So I have to I can't I can't disinure the body. No, I understand that >> to go >> have one. So, yeah, >> but I just want to make sure we recognize that family. >> Oh, you know what? I didn't understand that. I get it now.

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>> And and they're moving or he's >> Yeah, they they're moving our state. So, they didn't want any money. They just said, you know what? Here you go. Donate for us. >> But I after after I thought of it, I'm like, I can't I can't disinter that, you know, and put it in the thing that he just gave us. I got to leave the the

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interament there. So, if with with you guys' permission, we'll just change switch it over. Now, you guys just gained a lot to sell an eight lot cremation and Scott's got his his family's name. >> And there's someone already in one of them. >> Yeah, >> we're going to leave that there. >> Yes, we have to leave that there. Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah. >> So, it'll be the the Watson donation. >> And this as you come off Holman Street, this is the first >> Yep. Soon as you come in the main entrance, as you come in the main entrance, you know where our sign is with the granite that the white gods right behind it. That's the eight block cremation area right there. All over.

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>> So it's past the driveway, past the >> Yep. >> roadway. >> Yes. The parking lot. >> So basically the reason you're doing it is because there's a body already at 29, >> right? >> Oh, you guys could say Todd, we could No, you could say, well, you could say, no, we can keep that a cremation area, a

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donated cremation area also. The only thing is you could have 16 >> cremation holes. I don't think I'm going to >> I've been here 12 years. That's >> No, are these just cremation holes? >> Yes. Oh, okay. >> Oh, I see the size compared to the other. >> You can't switch it to

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>> burial. >> Okay. >> Because 5 is for burials. >> You see? Okay. >> Right. >> No cremation. >> 5 29 UC is that's the area that's donated. >> This is all 5. Still cremation. >> That's all cremation. Yeah. And that's

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the one we can resell now. >> I hadn't even noticed that in the cemetery that there were >> 29 you see his body burials. >> There's one there already. So that's what that's where we're going to keep all the families that come in and say, "Hey Todd, we don't have any money. Can can we bury a loved one?"

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>> I I think all the UC are cremation. >> You see, >> all all of this is cremation. All those >> You see how they're smaller? They're smaller squares than over here. >> Oh, now I see. >> So, I'm just trying to recognize that family,

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>> you know, that's all. We're just switch >> now. Now we can sell that lot, you know. We we don't need to put a plaque up or anything. >> No, no, I'm I'm going to put it on I'm going to put it on the computer though, right? >> Say to the Watson family for donation of that area.

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>> Okay. >> So 29 U is now donation Scott >> of the Watson family. Correct. >> Five UC is now the town. >> That's correct. Well, it's it's you guys now, right? Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's stuff like that, you know.

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It's just slow. >> Okay. >> Okay. That's good. That's it. Uh, what else we got? >> We need to make a motion to switch and let

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Okay. Make a motion to uh accept the lots and trying to think how to word this thing. Um, make a motion that we >> the creations from 5 U

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>> from 5 U to 29 U donated by the Watson family >> Scott Watson. >> Yeah, Scott Watson family >> donated by >> and make a motion to accept the lots from the Watson family

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and exchange 29. >> All right. So that opens up one more lot for you guys to sell. >> So I second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I don't think we have anything else. >> Ah, sh pretty quick. I thought we'd be

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here for hours. >> Oh. Uh did you want to did you want to go over the uh a couple things with the with the u the rules and regulations so we can do that next time? Right. >> Yeah, they need time to >> All right. No, see if they're good.

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>> Okay. Any uh other discussion? >> I'd open the cemeteries up. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Not too bad. sticks. >> You knew it was going to snow this weekend. >> I certainly certainly hope not. >> Dirty work.

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>> Yeah, it's been a long winter. Let me tell you. >> I mean, don't don't get me wrong. It's good. >> Talk about um pricing or you want to leave that till next month? >> Let's leave it till next month. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. I'm going to start digging in the

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I'm going to start digging over at Cherry Hill. Probably Probably not next week because Joe wants me to >> mean Fish Street. >> Yeah, Fish Street. Yeah, Cherry Hill. Fish Street. Yeah. I want to get that dug out, you know, get it ready and then dig down, put the stone in for the wall,

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get that all set up, and then we can have Amanda Construction come in and do that do that wall. And uh what about the >> opening? Yeah, the opening. Yeah, we I got a I got a supplier for the for the chain. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Eight 8 ft by 4T I think we said, right? Have an opening. >> There's one opening for the >> then a a man a man door 4T and then the 8 foot for the for the lawn mower to get in. Yeah,

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that's all I can think of. Okay. Our next meeting will be April 23rd. >> Okay. >> Can I entertain a motion to adjourn? >> April 23rd, 7:20.

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All >> in favor? I