You're all set now. You can go. >> Okay. >> Oh, okay. So, I think um >> now you're the host. >> Oh, perfect. Perfect. So, they were waiting >> now. We're on Zoom. Anybody wants to join, we'll keep an eye out for you.
And we're on camera, too. Okay. It's like the old days, Jake. Right. We need your board. And uh Welcome everybody. >> Call in order >> um to the Thursday October 30th meeting
of the Lunenburgg Cemetery Commission. I'd like to call the meeting to order and uh ask everyone to rise for the pledge of allegiance. I >> aliance to the flag of the United States
of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. The first order of business would be to review and approve the minutes
from our September. >> Huh? >> Do you have to read? >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Do I have to read the intro here? Uh, in accordance with the open meeting law, please be advised this meeting is being
recorded and will be uploaded to the Lunberg Access YouTube uh channel after the meeting. This meeting will be held in person at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are
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The Zoom link is posted and along with the meeting ID. Okay. Uh let's move on to uh review and approve the minutes from the uh September 25th um meeting.
Has everyone had an opportunity to look at the meeting minutes? >> Yes. >> Yes. Mr. the chair. Yes. One comment. My name's spelled incorrectly through oath. >> Oh, that would be me. >> It's be E, not B A.
>> Oh, okay. It's correct in the top here. Okay. >> So, we'll correct your name. >> Apologies. >> It's okay. This is correct. Okay. Okay. With the correction of our TPW
director's name, we would >> make a motion to approve the minutes of Thursday, September 25th, 2025. >> I second the motion. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. Okay. On to DPW director and
superintendent reports. >> You skipped one, >> did I? >> Yep. >> Oh, review and approve. Oh, accounts. Accounts. Okay, let's look at our accounts. So, I received uh I I asked our our new uh finance director and she replied with
the funds for the accounts update. So, um I have two columns. Uh one is um the the value of uh pre uh currently at October 2025 and then the previous
value. So our sale of lots fund uh increased from 94494 to 105971 and a little change our capital article uh fund which is
what we have for expendable uh decreased due to pay and invoices from 10,606 to 4,283. Our capital plan is at 50,000 for the backlog expansion,
but I believe um the initial survey invoice came in for the 1700, right? >> That sounds right. Yeah. >> And and so I think that uh >> did that go through that? >> I don't know. I got to check. >> It did. >> It did. Okay. >> Yeah. So that account I'll handle paying
that account. >> Okay. >> Because it's a capital plan like >> Right. So, >> so that's under your your control. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, >> so will we be knowing >> I can bring >> from you or from
the new person at the town hall what the actual number is going to be next time. >> I can bring updates. >> Okay. >> Yep. And then um checking Zoom, make sure nobody's trying to get on.
Um so the Cemetery Perpetual Care Trust Fund went up from 233,62 to 237,82. That little change there.
and the cemetery perpetual care um fund that is the interest that's expendable went from 20,000 78 to 23,482 so it's a slightly increase to Mr. here. Um,
one thing about these funds is um that FY25 hasn't been closed out by the town. So, they're not showing up in FY26 yet.
So, what this didn't capture for that the fun 8,000 of perpetual care is the two expenditures that we had the um $7,500 for Bolak Brothers. >> Oh, okay. >> And the $8125 for Lake View.
>> So, those have been paid out of there. >> That's coming out of the >> They have They already have been paid. Yep. And and is my number include those being paid out of the capital? No. >> It's the 23482 minus the 7500 minus the
8125. So >> Okay. >> The remainder is 78574us 7500 minus what? >> 8125. >> 8125. >> But those have both been paid. >> They've both paid. >> Oh, okay. So >> the balance is
>> Okay. balance is 7,857.74 >> versus 23,482, >> right? >> 74, >> right? Because you paid over Got it. >> 15,000. >> Okay. So, we didn't account for that. >> Yeah. When the when they ran these numbers, it didn't capture that.
>> But I did a little digging today. It has been paid. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we need to update that. >> Well, could you sign that number again? >> The balance? >> Yeah.
>> 7857 74 cents. >> Okay. Okay. So then yeah, if we look at um the plan that we have at town meeting is to transfer 10,000 to cover the stone
straightening at some cemeteries. And my thought was to uh do that by adding it to the capital transfer, right? Um and so
we currently have the >> you talking about capital article or capital there's no capital transfer. >> Yeah, the capital article. So we would that's at 4,283 right now. So we would move that 10,000 into that
>> and that would cover the sub cemetery stonework. >> That's the receipt for that stonework. >> Okay. Okay. >> So where's coming from? >> Oh, this is for the rock wall. >> Yeah. >> Yep. We did some I can tell you about that after
>> that was completed too. Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> I can tell you about that and how it looks and >> Okay. >> after that. Yeah. So, so it's safe to say then that the only unexpended is the um 13 550 for Stone Straight,
>> right? >> Right. We haven't stated, >> right? Okay. Cuz we're still he's still in the process of that. >> Right. So, over $10,000. We got to put it up to bid. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> So, it's a process, >> but hopefully we can get it hopefully we can get it this year. Get, you know, get them in there. >> Right. Right.
>> You know, and we still got a little bit of time. I mean, snow's on its way, but >> right, >> you know, they can work in they can work in that. >> So, is there no frost? >> As long as there's no frost. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, are we saying the stone around the boundaries is done, but not the headstones? Correct.
>> Right. We just started the walls. We just started the walls. But that 13, we'll do that nice old section of head straightening and repairing the headstones in that one section. And then that's one little section that's done. Then we can move to the next section. Same thing with the walls. We're doing we're to kind of doing two projects at
once, you know, doing the wall straightening and and then doing the headstones together. >> Yeah. >> But the headstones are going out for bid. You said >> that's correct because it's over 10,000. >> Not the Wall Street. We can handle that, but us
>> send 10,000. So, >> okay. So, I did um once I received the um the funds uh updates, I asked uh if we could get like a half hour sit down just to go over the funds,
>> the the definition of them. Um should we spend from this one or that one and and any other items? um just to get a little more clarity uh and and some of our fiduciary responsibilities um of of where they're putting the money
and and how um you know it's being managed. >> So we should be having a meeting with Jennifer versus the new financial guy. So >> or both of them both at the same time. >> Yeah. Who's the new Do you know who the new financial person is? >> Yeah. Her name Katie Kat McKenna.
>> Okay. Yeah. Katie McKenna. I was going to say Katherine but Katie. Yeah. McKenna. >> That's close. >> Yeah. >> So, she's a new town. >> Yes. >> Director of finance. >> Both. Right.
>> Okay. >> Yep. So, it's been a week. >> Okay. Good. >> That's about it. >> All right. Well, thank you for getting all that clarified. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Yeah. I spent half the day digging up numbers and then then I
needed Katie's help to square it up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, we're paying for the um the headstones, but the stone walls you're going to take care of for us. Is that >> N you voted to take care of that?
>> Yeah. I thought so. >> 3,000. Yeah. The 3,000. That's why I want that's why I wanted to say they got a they got what I say 150 feet and they they did a lot in 150 feet. They did they first 20 feet on the lower wall. Uh they started 20 ft in and then they went
150 ft and I got videos and stuff and they rebuilt. You know, it looks it looks great. It's that's what we want to do. There's a section there and then another $3,000 section and probably one more section will get us all the way down to that one side on the lower road. So, you know, and it
>> is on the left hand side. >> So, the lower row down below on the right hand side. Yeah. The um the head the wall. That's why I think maybe >> the first driver right >> we hope that maybe we could get you guys to all get together later on. We're going to talk about that later. Maybe we
could all go down have one of those walkthrough meetings like we've been having. I think I think that's a big thing. You guys can run down, >> you know, take a look at what we're doing and how we're going about it. Okay. >> Good idea. Any other questions on the funds? And then
Okay. >> For our next meeting, we should have a new one of these with the actual >> Yes. Yes. So then we'll have to Yeah. And and I wanted to get Well, when um I wanted to have it all straightened before um
>> town meeting, which is the 17th, right? >> So we knew what we were exactly asking for too. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Just in case we have a motion back. I I since now Katie is on board,
I'll send an email to Katie and >> Jennifer to schedule 30 minutes for all three of us to meet so we can go over some of the things and I can do that Monday. >> Okay. >> So, I'll do that Monday. >> Okay. >> Make myself a commitment. >> Do we have to publish it?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, we would if the three of us are getting together with them, >> but it's not going to be open to the public. >> Well, it would be. We could be eating the town hall or something. >> It depends on where Jennifer wants.
>> Might want to ask because I don't. >> Yeah, we'll ask. We'll ask. >> Not a big deal. >> Yeah. just put a agenda to do agenda just to discuss funds and um
>> you know post it two days prior to the meeting >> Monday I'm just going to try to schedule a time >> there might be some meeting >> I'll be working >> sure >> all right so we're going to
add bill as well correct >> yeah Sharp. >> Okay, we're good. >> Next. >> So, now we're at DPW director and superintendent report. >> Where do we want to start at? Huh? Um,
we talked with Disen Roy. Um he said about two weeks or so we'll have something for us to look at. >> Wow. That's right. >> Yeah. >> He thought he might have it a little earlier, so we apologize for being a little late, but no, it's what he
initially told us, >> right? >> And and that was um they were going to do the elevations and all. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So what what are we expecting about two weeks out?
>> We should have a draft plan of you know what needs to be done there and what the final look will be. >> Oh okay. >> Okay. >> So a nice draft plan >> I believe >> on the engineering work to be done. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How much have the specifications
at that point but >> the big thing is the plan. >> Yeah. They might not have the exact amount, how much fill we're going to borrow, we're going to haul in or anything like that, but they'll probably have everything else squared away. >> I'm looking forward to seeing what they want to do.
>> If we have to bring Phil in, do we have it at other places or do we have to buy it? >> We'll have to buy it. >> We'll have to buy it. Yeah, >> we want we want good material >> at the um >> Yeah, >> at the DVW. No, >> no. or at Young's room, you'll have a
better >> um not the right kind of materials over there. >> Yeah, we want we want the right stuff. >> So, that's going to come off the 50. >> Great. >> Yeah. >> Do you have a rough idea? Do you know how much loan costs?
>> Uh well, we don't have an idea yet because we don't know quantities yet. >> Yeah. >> So, he may have quantities in a couple weeks. I'm not sure. >> Yeah. >> But that has to go out the bid, too. That will have to go up to bid. >> Yeah, the job's going to have to go up to no matter what. >> Yeah, it's going to be over to Donald.
>> So, they'll figure if whoever whether it's Pow or whoever, you know, they they'll all figure it out and they'll come back with us and sit down and tell us what, you know, what their prices are and we'll be able to get something good. Yeah, because you're going to need a
couple different, >> you know, based on layers. >> I'm just base fill >> and there can be donations, Dave. There can be donations to this. >> You know, we don't, you know, I know there's a lot of people that want to donate money. We could like like the
paving. If somebody wants to donate money just strictly for the paving, not that we're going to do the paving, we would thought we were going to do the grindings, but if somebody wants to step up and say, "Hey, look, I'll I'll give you 50 grand or 40 grand or 25 grand for paving paving the two roads, you know? I
mean, I could use some paving at the cemetery building. Think about that. >> We just have to know what we need ahead of time." >> Exactly. That's what That's right. When we get all that, you guys will know that, >> right? >> Yeah. So, Dillis and Roy's working on that. >> We'll have it sooner. >> Yeah. >> Perfect.
What else? >> Uh well, so so last I figured I' I'd jump in right real quick and just I just want to uh I remember we talked a little bit last week about a couple things and I read all the stuff down and I I just want So that gentleman the kid that we now when I say kids I don't mean they're kids. I mean they're young adults when I
say kids cuz I'm 60. So, Chase Jam Jamza, that was his name. That was the volunteer that I could not think of that young man's name. So, Jace, if you're listening, thank you for your help. >> Jace Chamza, he was volunteering. He was here for seven and a half days. Did a great job. Um, so we got a price on the
Listster Monument plaque, but um we got to change that plaque around. We're not going to use those seven names because we we have three headstones. So, we're going to use four names. So, the price is going to come down a little bit on that. So, we we'll talk about that later with the uh >> because remember what we said we were going to have all all the kids on that
plaque. >> Well, we're not going to have seven names. I only have four because we already have three headstones. And I'll tell you the story about that after. >> Why don't you tell them a little bit about the research you did? >> Oh, you want to go with this now? Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yep. Yep. So, the fish street the good rich. So um so like we did on West Street Terrace, we had that we hired Bob Perry to come in and do all that the ground penetrating radar. We found the seven graves over there. We know where that is. That's another project that we're going to straighten out later on. And
then I had Bob come over to the fifth street. We found this. This was a few years back. Bob found the uh seven graves along the six along the wall and they had started a second row, another row and uh so we found all those and we knew all those but the problem was we
couldn't figure out the names because what happened was Levi, Captain Levi, his first wife was Hannah and they had seven children. This guy was busy. This guy had seven children with his first wife and he had 10 children with his
second wife. So this and everybody's name was the same. So in other words, every every every Benjamin, all their families had the same names. Josiah, Levi, Mary, Hannah, and if the brother had kids, those same names were in there. So it was really hard to figure
this out, but we figured it out. And uh so Levi, it's a sad story, but his first wife Hannah had seven kids. The first two died quick, very quickly. >> Mhm. >> And then she had, you know, of course, she had another five kids after. And on our third the third death of her one of
her kids, she ended up committing suicide. So that's Levi's first first wife. >> Oh, when was that? >> And that was in that was in 180 that was in 18 1812. The first wife died. So the two babies were buried in the cell cemetery in the in the find a grave. It
says it in the find a grave. That's not correct. And I and the headstones are there of Hannah, the first wife, and the two children. That's what was throwing me off because I I had I had accounted for the other five kids. One, two, three, four, the other five, the other five. I had accounted for that, but I I
just couldn't find out who the other two the other three people. >> So, some of the families in South >> that's they were buried there. >> They were there. >> They were there. That's the That's the kicker. They were there. So, that's They never moved the headstones. >> So, I asked we finally came up. Bob,
Bill and I finally came up. We got to call Bob back in here. We got to we I got to know I got to know where those bodies are. And and sure enough, we we we hired Bob to come back in. He did a ground penetrating right now all where where the kids were and where Hannah was, where Hannah's uh husband's father,
Benjamin, but the the actual >> Did he go to South Street and find >> South Cemetery? Yeah, >> that's right. >> That's right. There's no bodies there. They never They moved the B. So we figured So now now this is where it goes. His second wife Betsy, right when he >> One more thing. Yeah.
>> Um when he was looking, he found where the graves were. >> The soil the display looked a little different than next to it. Right. So >> from experience, he knows something was there and then dug up and then soil replaced
>> and he's going to have all he's going to he's going to download all all the images and everything. He says it's it looks like scrambled eggs, but the body's dug up. >> Yeah. >> And and that's that's exact cuz I was right there. They were originally bought. >> They were really buried. There's three of them. >> The headston, >> right? South cemetery.
>> So he got two more spaces available in South. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's Yeah. So, so that's So when Levi and of course he buried, he married right away after that to Betsy and one of their children died in 1823. So now,
now remember, he he there's nobody buried on this lot yet on the fish street. So he had to bury his kid, his his kid Josiah, which was uh I think he was a newbie. >> And so he must he decided that I'm going to I'm going to take my first wife
Hannah and my two children from the South Cemetery, bring them over to the fish street, which he that's what we believe. And the way I the way we figured it out was these are all kids in here. So we knew that the lady would have a box bigger, a box, in other words, the box is going to be longer. So
we that's what we did. We went up and down and we measured we went with his machine every foot and we measured all of all the boxes are the same except for the middle box comes out another foot and a half or two almost 2 ft more >> knowing that is the adult that's his wife that's how he fig so we thought
maybe he started over here with his first wife and then started putting the children but I Bill and I said no I'll bet you he put her right in the middle of the wall and then put the two children that's that's what it came out >> and we confirmed it >> and we confirmed it right >> I mean we can't be 100% sure of the placement of the two kids
>> who right can't be 100% but >> but we figured >> that's probably what happened >> so that's his first wife Hannah right in the middle that's 1812 and her first who was Elmyra she died right away and then she had a daughter for 4 years and she died in 1806 in the cell cemetery and
then when he lost his first child with with Betsy he said okay that's it I'm taking my other children we're going to we're going to put Hannah in the middle put my other two kids over here and then start over here with my other my other my other children and that's what he did and you can see the dates 823 824 24 and
then 26. So that's how we've kind of figured that out. So we we kind of feel confident that's >> So now the next thing we're going to do is we're going to remove the headstones and and Bobby I already took two of them out. The big one is a big one and Bobb's going to use lemon. >> How does he figure
>> the names and the dates? >> Well, >> we have records. >> We have records. >> Yeah. Now, now >> Todd worked with the historical society on this and >> uh Joanna from Leis the monument Joanna and the find a grave information. So we
took all that information and we figured out that's probably the way it laid out. >> And Todd has some records too. >> Oh yeah, >> yeah. >> Good. >> So it all kind of pulled together and this is probably exactly right. >> Yeah. >> So that's that's up. I mean, if there's
anybody out there that has any information, please let us know. But yeah, >> we kind of feel that this is this is the way it was because I mean, like I said, I found paperwork from the 80s from 1980s somewhere and I can't remember the gentleman's name of paperwork saying that, you know, we know there's 12 bodies over there, but we only got five
headstones. And we confirmed knowing there's seven bodies because I had a company come in and we Bob Perry from Topex >> topographic. >> Topographic. Great guy. Great guy. Knows his stuff. Mhm. >> And uh he he said, "Tod, I'm telling
you, you got you got it. This is what this is what's going on here." So I I believe it, you know. >> Good. Very good. Thank you. >> And Bobb's got the uh two small. So one of the Elmyra, the first child, this the front of the Now it's a slate about this. It's about a foot wide about this
high. Same thing with Hannah. Hannah's is good and the wife's the big one. Hannah's the wife is good. Bob's going to clean both while Bob's going to whoever who was the monument is going to clean both of them and then he's going to repair the Elmyra. So those three will be all set to replace and then we
have the headstone over at the cemetery building for the plaque. So instead of putting all seven of those names up, we don't have to do that now cuz Hannah, Hannah, and Elmyra, we already have the headstones. So we just have to put Josiah, Levi Jr., Mary, and James on that on that plaque. So that brings the
cost down just a little bit. And that that recognizes all that family that then that lot is that lot is done >> and and we can change the records a little bit with the historical society. And so this is all up to you guys too, you know. >> This is going to be the wall. >> This is the in the back.
>> And then this is >> the first row on the wall. >> Yep. >> Actually be like this. >> No, no. If you're looking if you're looking at it. No, no, you're right. Now the walls right here, right where the names are, Dave. Yep. Right where the names are. And then the bodies are the lawn lines.
long. >> When I go to Fish Street, this way, this is the wall. >> What's the name of the street? >> I'm trying to If I'm at the street, >> no, if you're on the corner of Lincoln and Fish Lincoln Street, if you come on Lincoln Street and you step onto the property, you're looking right at the wall. >> That's what you're looking at. You're
looking looking straight at the wall. So, this is Fish Street here. I'm looking at the wall. >> No, that's Lincoln. That's Lincoln. Fish Street's the one that goes towards Lminster and then goes back towards uh Lmonster Road. That's Fish Street. Lincoln goes the other way to
>> the grays are parallel sets to Lincoln, right? Yeah. >> So, if I'm on Lincoln and I go in, I see the >> row >> the three headstones are there now. >> Yes. >> Yeah. You see them on Lincoln Street? >> On Lincoln Street. >> On Lincoln Street. >> Okay. So, the wall is behind those
headstones. >> Well, yes. Yep. It's behind those headstones, right? Yeah. >> And that's where these people are? >> Yep. That's correct. Right in front of that head. Right in front of that wall. >> Right in front of the wall. And then these people are between the three headstones and that wall. >> Yes. This is Fish, right?
>> Right. This is Fish and this is Lincoln. Then another street goes this way, too. There's another This is the dead end that we always have trouble with. >> Don't know. >> Cuz there's three headstones there now. >> Yeah. Lincoln Fish, right? Don't know if that's That's wrong. That's wrong.
>> Yeah. I got I got I got pull it out. >> That's Yeah, I got a right hand. Sorry. I'll show this is the actual >> Oh, I don't want to get too close, Dave. >> All right. See, this is the actual uh >> Oh, you got the map. Okay.
>> Yeah. See those flags? All right. That's Fifth Street where that car is that's going to the intersection. If you keep going straight, you're going towards Lemonstone. >> Towards Lemon Street, right? Right. >> Cuz that's the wall. >> That's the wall. So, if you're standing, right, the headstones are right here. Right. So, if you're standing on Lincoln Street right here looking back, these
are the these are the uh those are the bodies right there. That's a flag there. >> That's a flag there. There's six of them right there. Yeah. >> Okay. So, these people right here, right? Exactly. >> And these people >> are in front over here, but you can't see the heads. They're right. No, they're right here. Yeah.
>> Where are the three headstones? >> They're right now. Two of them at Listster Monument. And the other one's in the South Cemetery, >> but they're going to be in front of the >> Yeah. Betsy and and Elizabeth are already there. Those two are already there. Oh, those two are these are the headstones >> that are over here. That's the other row, right?
>> So, there's only going to be two rows. >> There's going to be two rows, right? >> Okay. >> But the but those headstones that I'm taking out of the south are going to be along that wall. >> And the one that we're going to put the plaque on is going to be right there. Okay. >> So, that's where all that's where all those people are, all those kids in the in the mother.
>> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Good job. So that's so that's important. That's good stuff, you know. That's important. And then once we once we get going again and we get things done, we we'll we'll go over to uh West Street Terrace and
then we got we got stuff over there. You know, we we'll figure out what we got to do over there also cuz there's seven bodies over there. So >> West Street. Yeah. >> Do you know where the family live over there? >> No. Um uh on Fish Street. Oh, >> I don't know.
>> PS uh P There's all kinds of name. Asa Pierce. >> Do you know what piece of property was there? >> I don't I I I do have I do have the the records and and I Acer Acer the Acer family was one. The PS family was one. I
mean, I do have the records. I mean, >> are there descendants in Luna? >> Well, I mean, I don't think so. >> I I don't think so. So that >> because they should know what we're doing. >> Well, you're right. But they should, but don't we don't know that. We I mean it's been sitting there for 200 years. Nobody when I first started here, I didn't even
know it was it. I just Jack Rowood says, "Oh, I want you to go over to Fifth Street, cut the grass." Like, what are you talking about? Cut the grass. Where? And that's how I found out about I didn't know there was a little I mean, I got to drove by it a thousand times, not realizing, >> right? Right. >> You know, there was two headstones there, but I I never really knew that.
>> Yeah. >> But that the responsibility does fall on the town, which falls to Bill. Yep. >> Which comes over to me now, you know. >> So that so it's out of job. >> It's probably going to be another couple of years before we get involved with West Street. >> I don't know what's all depends on how
how you get keep me going. I'll I'll keep getting going. >> Keep I'll keep finding bodies. >> Yeah. >> And to and Tom >> I mean legally we have to Yes. >> has to be recorded. >> Absolutely. It's our responsibility. >> It's a process. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But we're working on it now that we know that. See, I don't know nothing else about anywhere else except for fish fish street and uh where street house terrace. We'll get it. We'll get it done. We'll get it done. >> Okay. So, that that's I just want to go real quick. All right. So, they
mentioned about the flag poles. You guys remember we were talking about the flag poles. So, our flag our flag poles are 32 ft. They're big ones. They're actually uh like I told you before, they were um they were in parking lots for
you know for lighting and stuff. So they're 32 ft high. They're 32 ft. So I my my my brother's wife happens to work at uh Central Mass Discount Flag in Lemon Stuff. Mayor Massello owns that. And I talked to Sharon and she told me
that that the most the uh the most the flag poles that they sell are 20 feet 25 foot um mostly 20 feet for residential. So our poles are 32. >> So and and that's what they sell those lights on. You know those lights we were talking about just figuring I'd tell
you. >> Yeah, there might be some pretty good commercial ones out there that might might do the trick. But again, I think we I think we deserve to put some serious lighting in for our flags and all our cuz we got the 32ft pole and then we have the six, you know, army,
navy, air force, marines, coast guard, uh, space force and then we have our revolutionary stone that Bill Tyler and George Reichard and other people got involved and we have that beautiful stone, that beautiful. I think that all should be lit up. If you guys want to do a the lights up on top, that's fine. But
>> I do have a plan here. >> Of course, it's going to be over the 10,000. It's going to be well over that. But that's something we can talk about later on for the flex. >> Okay. >> So, are you talking about lights on the bottom? >> That's correct. All waterproof. >> Yeah. >> So, there'll be more than one light.
>> Yeah, probably. Probably. I was thinking with the one we talked about was Well, now that we got the headstone, it might be four. Yeah, it might be two or four. But nowadays, the LED lights, they're they're incredible. They don't they don't use nothing for power. >> They're not hallogens. the LEDs and those, you know, those things work
pretty good. So, but that's >> it's going to have to be solar. You can't do electrical. >> Well, no, that's the ground. >> No, we got to Yeah, we can do we can we can put power there. Yeah, we can can't we can't do that. >> Wouldn't be strong enough. >> I got it all. I got a I got a I got a plan already.
>> Power coming from >> I already got a I already got a whole thing. I already figured out how to do it, where to go, where to, you know, uh how to dig a trench. I all that stuff already figured out. And I, you know, I did that quite a few years ago, probably four or five years ago now. But things kind of changed the past couple years.
So now here we are back. >> Okay. >> Um, so that's that. Dave, I repaired that pump for you again. >> Yes, I saw. >> But I'm going to be taking it off tomorrow. >> Because uh, it's pretty much >> I've been over there and it took me four times out. It was a brand new, you know,
they call it the guts, you know. So I put some grease around it. So >> thank you. >> Yeah. And hopefully over the winter it'll be okay. But I'll I'll I'll double check everything with the spray and put everything back together. >> Yep. >> Um, so we got the shrubs all in. We had uh we we got water. So I told you about
uh Jim Latini let us uh use one of his his tanks, 210galon tank that he used for molasses. >> And we talked to the fire chief and uh uh uh Lemons uh with Blutenberg uh water department, Franny Wyman and those guys. >> There's a lot going on at the fire department. So, I kind of went with
Franny just to get the water from, you know, um, and they were they were more than happy to help us. Same thing with the fire department. They were more than happy to help us, but I I don't want to get I don't want to get, you know, they're coming in and out of there. I don't want to be, you know, >> been over there for a week or so, but
the new trees have an actual ditch. Did you? >> Yep. That's just specifically so the water when it rains, that water stays right there. It doesn't run off. I want it right there. >> Okay. So that's that's why you're >> and then when you put 10 when I put two I I've been putting two 5gallon pales of
buckets of water that 210 gallon tank that Jim let us use fills you know it's 20 20 gallons 10 10 gallons per tree 20 it's 200 gallons by the time I'm done I got one 5gallon bucket left over so >> I saw him water >> yeah he was watering today yeah we got
we got a gentleman Bill was able to get us a guy seasonal >> thank god because I wasn't I didn't come in today I was I Yeah, I was happy. >> So, he started this week. >> This week and the kids been great. >> Great. Great. >> Happy. Good.
>> Yeah. Very happy. He's very And uh he's very happy. >> So, we got one new one and got >> the other two kids. >> The other guys went back to school. He managed to hire another guy. >> Yeah. So, I'm very happy about that. >> So, this person doesn't go to school and >> No, he has a job at night, so he has
time during the day. Wants a second job. So, >> works part time. It's prior to the time. >> Okay. >> So, you can He's good for the duration. >> Absolutely. Right up until until the snow until the snow until we have to close the cemeteries. >> Yep. So, he was great. And like I said, water department, they've been they've
been great. We get water from them every day, every morning, unless it snow. I ran it. But it's been pretty much every day since we started. >> You're going to be able to get the prisoners for the day in >> We had them once last Friday. We had them once last Friday.
>> Did great. We had six of them. Plus, we had six of them. Plus the plus the the officer. He can't stand around. He's going to grab a backpack. So, I got extra help there. So, he's great. John Poland's great. So, yeah, these guys are great. >> They're just in contact with Todd to
come in again. >> So, they have tomorrow. So, >> Oh, so tomorrow, right? >> We're going to have him tomorrow. Yeah, I forgot to tell you that. >> Start with the leaves. >> Yeah, but we're going to concentrate on the south. You know, I got I want to get the salt. >> Okay. >> All right. So, that I just want to say that. Oh, yeah. um deal where I talked
about uh Bill. Oh, so I just want to mention something uh for 2015 up until, you know, uh 2020. Uh we always we always got the cemeteries
clean at the end of the year, no matter what happened. All the jobs that got done between 2015 until 2020 under Jack Rodicans, you know, that was a big thing. Jack helped. That was important for Jack to get make sure we got those projects done. Even the cemetery in the
in the end when trying to get the cemeteries cleaned up, there was all if I couldn't get the prisoners or if I didn't have help, which there were times I did, Jack made sure somebody I had his men, you know, the DPW guys come down and help. So, the cemeteries always got cleaned up at the end of the thing. And
then I and then someone had mentioned online one time that uh you know, the cemetery commission got all this work done. I I don't like that it's it's not just the cemetery commission. We got to add in the DPW and the cemetery uh the superintendent. We got to add Someone said it online and I want to leave it at
that. I don't want to name names. I just I just want you guys to know when someone says something about the cemetery commission, I want I want it to be a general all of us cuz we we all work together to get this stuff done. >> Okay? Not just not the I don't want to hear this the cemetery. Well, that's what I did. I heard that. It just kind
of I don't like that. I mean, I don't mind staying up quiet, but you know, it's it's a combination of all of us working together. So, that being said, I just wanted to say that because there were a few people, a couple people, two people. So, and that's uh that's it really. Oh, I just want to thank Keith
Cap uh Keith Capone from Central Mass. We got his we got the fertilizer that we're going to put down after everything's cleaned up. We're going to put that fertilizer down on on the th,000 ft of shrubs and the south. We're going to do the south. And uh oh, the 150 wall. We I told you
about the 150 ft of wall that we got built for three grand, which was >> that's a lot of ground. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, they gave us a price I wish I had the numbers. Um a price per foot. >> Mhm. >> But then we said, "Well, we just want to do $3,000, see what you get."
>> And the price per foot for what he got done was way less than the initial quote. Right. >> Right. Because he got so much done, >> right? It looks great. >> Yeah, >> there was one section we had to take it right down. >> How big was that section out? >> Uh,
>> took it all out. >> Took it all. >> I haven't even looked. I'll have to go around. >> Well, that's what we That's what we thought. We thought we'd >> talk later. Maybe try to get it >> the right side of the wall as you look at it. >> Yeah. >> So, >> South Cemetery. >> South Cemetery. >> First 20 ft they didn't touch. And then
from 20 ft in, 150 ft all the way past that big huge pine. >> Oh. All the way past. All the way past that. Yeah. 50 ft. >> So the road is about how far is the road? >> Oh, I say I think I think it was like 800 ft >> all the way down to the back of the core.
>> I think I think the number was 800 ft all the way down both sides. >> But you know that's >> okay. Just have an idea of >> Yeah. So, it was worth it, right? If it was worth paying them the 3,000 for labor as opposed to the the price per
foot, >> we can we can have them come in if we want. We can have them come in again and do another another 3,000. It's up to you >> and we we are we taking care. No, they take care. >> No, no, you guys. >> Well, maybe we could find some money. I don't know. We'll see.
>> We got to be careful. >> Yeah. He doesn't want you. >> Oh, no. I want to spend it all, but we're going to be g >> We still don't forget we still have to go to July 1st. >> Right. Right. Springtime. Who knows? >> What What fiscal year are we in now?
2026 26. >> July to July. >> July 1st. >> July 1, June 30. >> Yeah. July. >> But if we can get the money for the 135 before the snow falls, that'll be great. That then we can have them stay in company come in and well, whoever whoever we get, I should say. I shouldn't say it that way, but whoever
comes in, you know, >> just given the time it takes to >> probably >> cure and and get it awarded, it'd be the spring. >> Yeah. Okay. See, that answers that question. >> But we'll we'll be going to town meeting to request if we have to
trust fund. We don't >> We're moving ahead here. We're moving ahead. >> So, we'll have the money there. >> That's a little confusing because I thought we had to go to the meeting, but then you got word from >> Ezekiel. Ezekiel said that he just transfers it. >> Yeah. Well, they're they're trust funds.
It's not and and they're paid for by people who >> we don't have a >> plots. So, it's it's >> not all our money is trust fund. >> Well, they're funds. They're funds. They're called trust funds. They're made they're both in the in the trust fund,
>> but they're not the trusts that >> they're trust funds being managed by um Bartholomew. as a buck bucket and then everybody's amount is accounted for.
>> That's what I understand. But what's >> writing? We'll have clarity. >> So, yeah. >> Okay. >> So, that's all I got. Yeah. >> Okay. >> You covered a lot of ground.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good job. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, the next item, what's North Cemetery backlog expansion? If we had anything else to add to that, but I think we're
uh okay there. Um there the next item is is a lot for sale. It's it's uh across the street from the cemetery on Holman Street and uh it's lots
>> 2.39 acres. Jimmy Price, >> right? >> And so the realtor reached out to the uh town manager to see if we had any interest in it. >> I can give you some background on that. I It's up to you.
That's the property crossing the main entrance. That's uh that's part of um Harvey Price and >> Jean Marie Price that lives on the corner with John Bowen. >> And uh of course Judy Judy uh Judy lives next door. That's the Price family right there. >> Um
>> is that the brother's lot? >> Uh yeah, that's Jimmy's lot. Yeah. >> So he's selling John or >> No, Jimmy. Jimmy the brother. >> And uh I mean it's up to you. I mean, I I I we have all that property on the other side.
>> You know, it's gone something for the >> Yeah. I don't want to say no, you can't buy it. >> So, they they reached out to us. >> Yeah. >> Because they wanted to see if because it's been for sale for the last year. >> Yeah. >> See, the town was interested in buying
here knowing that the cemetery was right across the street. >> Yeah. So, here's here's um >> But what could we do with that? >> North Cemetery here, right? And I believe it's lot 31, correct? Yeah. >> So
there's a lot of frontage. So right now you only have um >> So it's right after the white fence that's there. >> Uh >> yeah, this is this >> right where the trees start, Dave. Right where the where the tree start the brand No, the brand new trees. >> You know where the you know right there
right across the street all the way down there >> to Craig's property. Craig Williams property ac right across where the mausoleum is. across it. >> So that's pretty good front range, but like I said, it's we have all that land on top. >> We got all the land on top, right? So >> So I guess the question would be what
would we use it for? >> Yeah. >> And the fact is that there's a lot of things that have if we did use it, we'd have to remove a lot of things from that parcel because there are a lot of >> trees. >> Well, not just trees, but I think
there's like metal pieces of just junk. I don't look pretty wooded there. I think there's a buffer zone. Remember we had there's a buffer zone. I don't know what the footage is. And I think all of Jimmy's stuff is on there. A buff that buffer zone. Did we Did we look at
that? Did I look at that with you? >> On that cuz I looked at the listing before. >> Yeah. So John So G Marie's price and then there's there's a buffer zone and then the then the woods start. >> Mhm. >> So I don't know. But that's where all that that's where all that all pave stuff is all the old cars and stuff. I
don't know if that's directly on that property, but there is a buffer zone there. I don't know who's who's it who owns it. Can you pull that up? >> Can you tell me what I don't buy about? >> Uh I can do it like the Google. >> Uh she's going to pull it up right now. >> What do you mean by >> um Well, so the end of the end of J
Murice's property, >> right? >> And there's like there's like 25 ft >> that belong to I don't know who it belongs to. >> Mhm. >> And then Jimmy's property starts. I don't know who's but I think that's where all the >> it's mostly wood. >> Yeah, it's all that wooded area here.
>> You couldn't use it to get top soil or anything out of it. >> No. >> No. >> The only thing is it it would prevent someone from building a large house right across the street. Um
>> I don't know if that's really possible. So, and and it is shown like wetlands in here, you know, so you you would >> have to do something maybe up front or in back. >> Yeah. >> Is it a buildable lot?
>> I'm not really sure. I mean, I I >> there's probably enough room for one house, maybe two. >> Yeah. >> You could use it for parking, maybe. >> Nowadays, any piece of property somehow someway can be built on. You just have to
>> I I didn't know if in the future you'd want to duplicate a parking lot and a couple niche walls here. Um it's up to you guys which >> possibility. >> You know, we had an inquiry. Do we do green burials? What's what's happening
20, 30, 40 years out? Are people going to lean more toward >> what are they asking for? Yeah. >> Oh, about 100,000. >> I think it was 102. 102. Was it 100? >> I think it was about 100,000 cuz I had somebody who was interested. >> 500 purchasing it.
>> 100 100,000. >> 100,000. I >> think it was 100. >> How many acres? Sure. >> 2.31. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> it's about 50,000. >> So, so I I don't know. >> But then again, don't forget you guys got all that property from the last road all the way down to the very next
driveway. You got all you guys have all that. >> Well, well, that's it, too. So is that I mean it's it's very similar and and we have this large uh area in here. There is some wet stuff going through
>> and we actually have the uh the the whole back >> area here is Lunberg Cemetery, right? >> I don't think so. But that's all wetlands. Yeah. Can't do anything. >> Right. If I >> But I mean is there a way to to Can I
say it drain the wetlands? They'll throw you out of town. Throw you >> some people like Yeah. This this whole um 26 comes up as as as a cemetery department. No,
>> my my thought was at one time maybe maybe it was intended for future um >> my from what I heard back in the 50s or whatever it was the gentleman that lived up on the hill where I can't think of the gentleman's name but he he was going
to put a pond in. He started building the wall >> to to put it to put to stop the water and he was going to have a nice pond and he was going to >> build all beautiful houses which there are beautiful houses there now but I from what I heard he started and then he passed away and it never got finished but if you go down there in the back he's got one half of the wall done. It's
big like a big bunker big bunker all concrete and everything like that. >> So that was >> that's down in here somewhere. >> That's down if you go down through the uh through the new expansion area to the Yep. See where the uh little baseball diamond is there? And you go and then follow it down
>> to the right. Right there. >> So right there to the right. Right there. Keep going. >> I did walk the There's a cart road and then I >> That's a fire. That's right. So that's that's So there's a road on Northfield Road. Northfield. Yeah. Northfield. So
say there's a fire or somebody gets hurt out there or somebody gets attacked by a bear or whatever and you can't get in through the other the other way through the cemetery. There's a fire road that comes down on the side street and uh >> that seems like it's a shared driveway. >> Yeah, it's a shared driveway, but we do have from what I understand and don't
call me because >> but we do have rights to to go down through there and >> showing that we own it. So, >> yeah. So, we I talked to the new owner and we we had a nice conversation over the phone >> and he Yeah, he did. He's like, "Hey, Todd, whatever you got the um >> I think a friend of yours." That's
right. Matter of fact, I talked to them and that's uh they were very cool about it and they understood everything and >> I told them walk the trails and >> it's very nice down there. I cleaned everything up down there, you know. It's >> Yeah, >> matter of fact, I think the I don't know if I should say this, but the kids when they do the cross country running
>> they cut through there. How am I supposed to say that? They supposed to go down to home and >> they usually cut through the cemetery. I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. >> Nobody Nobody knows. >> Nobody knows. But all I know is sometime I'm cutting the grass and all a sudden I see 15 cut kids running through the cemeteries. getting quicker and quicker. >> Yeah.
>> So, it's pretty funny though. >> Well, I guess I guess that is what What do we do with this other wooded area? >> I think >> You mean you don't need space for >> No, I think that's for generations to come. I think that one square that we're doing, I think we're going to be
>> I think we'll be all set another 10 years or something. >> 10 double or quadruple, >> right? >> 20 to 40. >> I don't think we'll be around. People are probably going to be cremated and so spaces is going to be smaller. >> That's the next generations. Yeah. I think I think with the 800 lot that
we're getting done for now, I think we'll be on for our generation kind of. >> All right. So, we do we want to leave this on the table for now or um >> I would open. >> I don't think we should spend the money
right now. >> We don't need to be buy a piece of land. We need other stuff. >> Important. Okay. >> I just Yeah. If for some reason the town thought we could preserve it as quai conservation land under the cemetery
commission. >> Well, the town do >> No, no, no, no. I'm saying if if we were to >> I think we let it sit there for a while and >> we wouldn't do anything with it. So, why would we want to spend any money? We clearly have other things that need to >> I think Jimmy's I think I think the
Price family is going to get lucky. They're going they're going to end up selling that. >> Okay. >> And who Who better than have better neighbors than than cemetery? I mean, you know, nice and quiet. >> Keep going down. >> That was my only uh it's an opportunity to keep that whole frontage green and
wooded and not have a large house put there. But >> I don't think I don't think that that is going to happen. That's all. Okay. Okay. We talked about South Cemetery, really?
>> Yeah. >> So, okay. >> Fish Street. We talked about >> Yeah, we talked about this. >> Fish Street. We were talking though about um maybe having a short tour. >> Yep. >> Probably be a half hour cuz it's >> Yeah. >> Why don't we schedule that now?
>> Right there. >> Do you think we should? >> I think you guys should. I think you should do a half an hour there and then come over to the south, check out the wall, >> and talk about our next little section, then jump over to the north real quick and do our little thing like we said we were going to do. You know, maybe >> I think I think it's important.
>> You want to stay now? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If it >> What time? What day? >> Well, that's it. Um would we be open on a a Saturday morning or um just if we're going to bounce around a little? >> When what? I'm pretty flexible.
>> Okay. >> I would prefer earlier than later. That's all. >> Okay. >> Not like 8, six o'clock. Don't worry, Dave. >> I know you don't get up in the morning. >> Okay. I Let's say right here.
>> So, we're in November. >> You want to set up a cot Friday night instead of DPW? >> Saturday. Yeah. >> Two different things in the morning pretty much every Saturday. So, >> we could do I mean, >> unless I could do it during the week if
we just do like one at a time. Just do 8:30 8 to 8:30. Okay. >> Or whatever. 7 to 8 uh 7:30 to 8. >> Well, I don't know. Now, we got to change the clocks back on on Sunday. It'll be dark. >> It'll be lighter in the morning. In the afternoon, it's going to be dark.
>> So, let's do it the morning. That's >> so you want to do a weekday morning and just hit them one at a time. >> Yeah, thing. >> You want to do 30 minutes and then do another 30 minutes for the following week and then that sort of thing. >> Whatever >> if you want to. Sure.
>> Whatever is be because I know you have to go to work. >> Yeah. >> So you I'm flexible maybe you can be somewhat flexible, right? >> I can. >> That way we all can be available. You'll understand when you retire.
>> You don't know if that's ever going to happen. >> Where are we? We're at the 30th. >> So, I just have to get it on the calendar with the meeting notice, but um what's what's a good day weekday? Um
probably not Tuesdays. Um, but how about this? Thursday is good. >> Yes, that's the only day I have open right now. >> Thursday November. >> Yep. >> Yep. That's fine.
>> So, you're saying 8:00 at fish? >> I'm available. >> Yeah. >> Does that work for you, Mike? >> Yeah, that's fish. >> So, 8:00 November 6, Fish Street. for myself
kind of girl. All right. Are we scheduling another one? >> And then we were going to do south again. >> Sure. >> Look at the wall. >> Sure. Yeah. >> So, do you want to do that the follow >> 13th? >> Yeah. >> 13th 8:00.
>> 8:00. >> Is that Is that a Thursday? >> Yeah. >> Thursday again. Those are the only two we wanted to. Is that correct >> at this time? >> Yeah. >> North yet? >> Yep.
>> Okay, that works. Then we could do the north when um after um Phyllis and Roy complete their draft, we could go back and take a look. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah.
>> They're going to have some markers also set up, right? Just so we know. And when they do their stuff, they they set a few markers so that you can go >> uh part of the contract. Yeah.
>> Through the work. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're going to definitely know. Oh, yeah. They're putting markers in for sure. When when everything's all graded, you know, everything's done, then they're going to come back in and then set up their their transits and their >> their lines and we'll figure everything out and put the markers around everything on the outside.
>> But they only do a few because then you have to go in and figure, >> right? So, I'll I'll have them put them on the outsides. So, the outsides of all four corners and the cremation area, the four corners of all and the you know, the outsides. Then to save us money, I can always pull
strings from corner to corner and then I can just measure off and then put then I can start putting markers in as I go. You know what I mean? That we don't need to do all that. That that that would cost a fortune. I can do that. >> Okay. >> Good. >> Okay.
All right. I just put Sims on here for something we uh if we want to talk about this >> and we did have um a training session with Brandon Finley is it? >> Yes. Y >> yeah. Yeah. So he he went over the the basic functionality of the of the
package and some of the reports and um we have um 3 hours of uh per year of of day not day well >> some sort of any sort of assistance that we need. >> Yeah. >> You guys probably knew that, right? >> Y
>> So I don't know if you guys use it at all. >> I use it all the time. >> Whenever I have a problem with with the my wherever I Yeah. I have a problem. I always call Brendon. Well, well, he sets me up with whoever >> and like like I told >> and to put that new cemetery in. Yeah. >> I guess that's going to be part of the three hours also.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, unlimited tech support. >> Um and then uh like if the once once you're done with the uh back lot expansion layout, >> they'll import it into the software. >> What's the one in the north? What was
the date for the one in the north? >> What was the date for the one in the north? We haven't skipped. >> Oh, we haven't skipped that one. Okay. >> But did we want to talk about maybe the Remember we were looking at software in the area where the flags
are? >> Oh, yes. He said too cuz he added up um the res not the resolution but the um the detail of of what's actually there for parking lot >> and flag pole and all.
um is is um not exactly what's there now. Um so it looks like when they did the original import they overlaid it on probably the parking lot before it was >> right it was >> yeah it's not exact it's not exact. Why?
That's why I got that's why I can't sell lots to certain people because once I look at it that you know it it goes into the parking lot like where the flag pole is in the parking lot that's all ledge that those lots are already sold all the way up until the flag pole and on the other side where your wife is Dave
>> he's got about 277 lot >> that's all that's all >> is there some way we go in and say that not usable >> correct I mean that's that's my job I tell everybody that so when they come in yeah I I I don't I don't It's not blocked out on the on the on the on the
on the map, but I can block it out. >> But again, that's what I'm saying. That's you know, when people walk in >> winter work when he's >> Don't forget I cl too, >> right? He can start going in. Take them out. >> That's why That's why it's you guys. I
need you guys to advocate for me to hiring somebody else in the cemetery to help me. It's a lot of work and I don't know how Brick Bigham did it for 20 years. I don't understand. >> Just tell us what we need. You >> need an employee. >> I know. >> I think kids are great. >> How do we >> You go to the town, you say, "No, no."
>> Yeah. >> So, I try to put it in my operational budget >> and you know, you need to advocate for it. >> Yeah. That's >> so that it doesn't get kicked out. >> Right. >> So, we sent a letter to Jennifer. Yeah. stating that some of the stuff because
he's so busy is not >> like the CM C maps or whatever that is >> it's not complete so that people when they look at it >> it's not what they actually see at the
cemetery and we need to have someone >> we just need to be like really >> we need a full-time person maybe we can make up a letter all three of us sign it so that she knows knows that the work needs to get our work needs to get done and we need another
full-time person. >> Yeah. So we we want someone to do data verification and that would have to be that you you look at what's >> well now he's the only one licensed to do >> right. So so that would be my job. I I would you would you would someone to take
>> well help me in the cemeter I can free myself >> in the daytime >> he might take Thursdays and just stay in the office. Do do you see that as something you have to do as far as like
if you look at the um Sims map >> I can pull it up here because it's um >> so go by the flag pole. You got to go up by the flag pole. >> All right. So like when people come in, they'll call me or they'll come in and they'll say to why can't we go over by the flag pole? And then I'll explain to
them why there's all ledge there. these deepes are. Then I have the actual map in my hand and I can show them and then then they understand, you know, I would be the one crossing off all those verifying where we can't sell a lot, >> you know, and if I had an employee, a
second employee, a full-time employee. Not only could he work in the cemetery, but he could also also drive for Bill plowing snow like I do now. See, I'm when I'm when I'm in the cemetery, when we close for 3 months, I'm I'm with the DPW full time, all straight out. When
they come in, I come in, we're plowing, and we got, you know, we're pretty busy. >> So, we're not able to >> Well, I got to plow for the town, you know, and then after then I work on my my paperwork. >> Could you hire a permanent part-time person possibly, or would that be too much of a stretch? >> I think it would be a full-time
employee. >> I think fulltime part time, I don't think would get in. I don't think that'll work >> cuz that's what we got now. >> When Jack was around, he had five people. You don't have five now, right? >> How many people? >> Five people as in >> Yeah, I do. >> Oh, you do have five people still.
>> I thought he had five. Do you have more? >> No. Same. >> Okay. >> That's why when I, like I said, when I started, you know, that's why there was some comments made in the past years that the cemetery didn't look good. It always got done. Jack made sure all the
way up until 2021 21 we he made sure that if I needed help he gave me help you know and then he retired then we had I think we had a we had one year with another gentleman you know he was gone >> but you're not really able to get the book work done in the winter time
>> well the most important thing is the burial for >> but the burials and all the the important stuff on the updating of the families yes that is always done made that's always made sure that got done before I I went into the cemetery and started cutting grass. That was always
done. And then if I had time, then I would start doing going through the boxes and going through the stuff and updating the stuff and going through stuff. You guys got to remember when I when I do a burial and I got I'm looking at the map and I look at the grave and I say, "Okay, that's where that grave is." And I'm looking at the map that Mhm.
>> there's a headstone over here. There's a flush marker over here and there's something over here that's not on the map. So I take that map even though I'm I'm burying this person right here. I see three different things or four different things on this map that's not in the computer and so I take a picture of that and I write it down and that's
my update. So when I go into the into the office in in the winter I go through my tip my I start from the very first one I tip it over and I go from start from day one and as I'm doing that day one that that first burial >> now I got to go plowing then I come back >> there's still work that has to be done
because >> what's his name Penny? No, CMS guy Brandon >> Brandon Brandon >> said that his numbers don't match what your numbers are. >> Well, correct because if you you know if
you look he's he's just going by what it says and understand all that red all that red around the parking lot that we had to take all those out cuz it goes into the parking lot. >> Well, you can see Yeah, you can see the the parking lot under here. >> But there was some other ones different
areas. >> Yes. But that's 1800s when you get down to the right. That's the 1800. >> You said I need to be blocked out, >> right? And I that's the that's what I'm saying. I don't I don't have no time to just go >> that that's very timeconuming. >> So when people say, "Hey Todd, can I bury over here?" Like I said, I had a
family of that went by by four four lots and two of them were all right, but two of them went into the road and I told I think it was Mrs. McQuade. Well, whatever. Just >> um went in. So he's like, "Okay, what can I do?" says, "Well, we're going to have the new expansion lot open next year, hopefully." He's like, "Okay,
well, that's how I communicate with everybody." >> Yeah. >> Never have problems with anybody really. I really don't. It's two maybe on a handful here, but >> Well, we still got that one that has to be moved. >> Yep. Uh Yeah. We have one body that's going to be
>> Yeah. Well, once that's all done, I have I have them in order. I have the people in order that ask from the start and I'm going to go right down through and then she's in she's they're involved somewhere in there. Okay. >> And then we'll sell the lot for them to them. We'll take those four lots. I'll disenter her the body and put the body
over in in the parking lot. I mean in the uh in the new area. >> So why don't we why don't we write a letter and we all can sign it to >> I I being honest if if I had a little bit of help. I mean, I don't mind
working hard. I'm getting old, but I'm telling you, I don't mind working hard. But if I had help, I could get a lot more of that stuff that little stuff done with, you know, figuring out where those bodies, I mean, those grays are that are in the road. >> You know what I mean? I can get some of that. >> So, you need somebody I don't want to use this term, but more of the burnt
work. So, you can use so you can focus on the things that you've been doing, such as >> well, look what we just found out with those fish. >> I'm sure that took a long time. I mean that that that's very important to me knowing you know I because I'm I'm right now it's my responsibility his because we're the town >> right exactly
>> you know that's our responsibility cemeteries are our responsibilities >> in combination with you don't get me wrong >> right so um just to add on to that I had to make a presentation to the tribe board for the select board finance and school committees on budget future
budgets so one of the things was goals and objectives so one of my goals was to hire a cemetery labor Mhm. >> So you could watch that meeting. It's I think it was September 30th. >> Okay. >> At the tribune >> and and then would you still do seasonal
people too? >> I think so. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> You want to >> Oh, yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Keep what you're doing and get an additional >> The prisoners love coming up across the cemetery. We feed them good over there. >> You feed them good. No pizza. No, no, no pizza. Steak and cheese and subs and
>> Oh god, that's good. They love coming. >> Is it okay to You write the letter saying for the cemetery or do you want it for just the building in general? >> For cemetery. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Right. So the job description would
include working snow and ice and you went there. >> Right. For a full-time employee. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we could still get the kids in the summertime. >> Again, I say kids. I don't mean kids, but uh >> Yeah. Prisoners. Yeah. I'm telling you, they love them. We got them tomorrow. I got them tomorrow.
Yeah. And then tomorrow it'll be in the self cemetery. That's good. >> Okay. So, you don't think this this wouldn't be a job you could say, "Hey, look at section one and go and you you'd want to do that yourself." >> Well, yeah, because I'm the one that
knows where it all is, you know. That's why when someone calls and they say, "Oh, I want to buy lot." And I look at my map says, "We can't do that one." Okay. And they go like, "Oh, why?" Well, it runs into the it runs into the road or it runs into the wells or runs into a tree. >> Okay. >> You know, and then like, oh, okay.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, grants, you I'm having a hard time with this. I've I've spent a number of days trying to
get this done. Um at least trying to find out who we can hire and then or not hire but who we can where we can go what grants are available. So I could
tell Jennifer she could have her grant person do it. A lot of the stuff that I'm finding out there is under nonprofits 501c3 except for um
well there's one that says Massachusetts Historic Preservation a matching grant but again the applicants have to be 501c3 organizations and they match it by doing So, that's
out. Um, >> wow. >> There's another one. Massachusetts Historical Commission grants are available for various preservation projects. I'm just wondering, I mean, I've been
putting hours into this. I'm wondering if we can there's a company called Upworks that has grant people go through them and then you can go online and figure out do they know
their stuff, talk to them and then hire them 50 bucks an hour, 30 bucks an hour, whatever. I'm wondering if and then once they can all we want them to do is to find the project so we can turn it over to
the town and have them put the paperwork in. But as a layman, not a grant person, I'm going online and I don't see much, you know. >> Okay. Um
unless you have some other ideas. >> No. Um and you had um mentioned trying to find the uh Mass Historical Commission's uh entry and I was able to find that and
send it to you. >> Yep. I printed the whole all out. >> Okay. 20 some months >> it's so that that was a question I think uh Mr. McGraph when he came before us as the historical society mentioned he may
have filed. >> He did. I talked to him I talked to him last week. Richard Richard filed both of the north. The north was there was something in the north that had to be straightened out and he actually did it. Richard did. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I found the web page. Uh
it's under the secretary of state. So we did we we have two filings l.800 800 and uh I think 801 um and and it's quite comprehensive
and and very interesting and um you know there's a lot of verbiage here uh and and it was actually um looks like it it was u filed in n Oh, that's the late Well, I'm
assuming it was filed around 1991 cuz that's the most recent that they they record. >> That's >> so um interesting enough uh it has Maryanne
Sadelnik's name on it. >> So that's that's quite uh interesting and and there's a whole bunch of stuff with it um for historical stones and all family names. Yeah.
>> Um relationships of of members to you know notable people in the state and country and uh yeah there's good ridge here which is you want to you got something I can I can tell you if you want to remove a
little bit more background I can give you. >> So when you see the good rich name there the reason now the reason why it's spelled different with Levi leave the captain Levi Well, from what I understand, back then it's sacrilegious to to to have killed
yourself back then. So, we think that he changed his name to Good Rich from Good Ridge to Good Rich. So, if you see if you see in when you get into all that all that ancestry.com stuff and all that, you're going to see that Benjamin Good Ridge is the father of of Levi
Goodri Rich. So, we feel that he changed his name because of the because of the fact that that something happened, his wife committed suicide. That's why we think he took his bodies out of there and lived and and moved over to the the fish street. >> Oh, >> that's why they changed the name because if you look at it, it says Good Ridge
and Good Rich and it's in they're together. So, his father was Good Rich, but Levi was >> and uh also Richard McGrath has the other headstones. He has Captain Levi uh because we mentioned his name, he has the headstone for Captain Levi. He's
repairing that one. He's going to have that one done this winter. And then the other two, uh, Daniel and Mary is at the cemetery at my cemetery building, and he's going to come over before winter, grab all those, and repair those for next year. >> Okay. So, >> we're going to we're going to have all
the headstones in front, the five in front. They're going to be all done. And then we're going to have the three in back of Hannah, the daughter Hannah, Elmyra, the other daughter. And then we're going to have the plaque, the other. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, so we have um >> we'll have everything. So, we don't need
the chain thing going up like we >> That up to you guys. And if you guys want to put a chain link fence up and a nice chain or or build a wall like Richard wanted to do, I think he's I think he's quite busy to do that. But that was something that you guys wanted that was mentioned before. You guys want
to build the walls? I I have the stakes. I have everything mapped out where the stakes are, the corners of everything. So, whatever you guys decide to do after that's done, you can we can talk about that later on. Yeah, I think later on because there is a section of the wall, >> the group that's doing the protecting of
the wall now, the the building of the wall, >> they are them. They could absolutely >> can they do >> Yeah. >> Start the wall and build up. >> Do that. Yeah. If you want to do that, we can do that. If you want to put nice granite post in with nice black chain like we have in the parking lot at the North Cemetery, we could do that. I had
the scouts do that. But for some reason after co it's hard to get the the scouts and the kids like that, you know? It's just Yeah, it mentioned some history, too. And I think Maryanne must have found this in the historical commission because I don't think this is typed in
1991. I think this might have been more of a >> Yeah. >> 1935 or something, you know, and it mentions the town, the select board um authorized uh stone walls. Yeah. uh to to be
placed. It's in this book. It's in the uh town book. It's right here. It's right right on here. So that that's in here. All that stuff is in there. If you look on the answers.com, find >> Is this You think this is copied from the book? >> Oh, yeah. AB I already looked at the
Yeah, I think I think they copied it from that. >> Oh, I think from that >> cuz this this is only three pages. There's tons of pages in the in the >> book of >> it says that exact thing. 1300. Remember I told you guys 1300 uh plants of the
>> Yeah, that's that's this paragraph here. It says by see where my current by Tom vote >> 1876. >> Yeah. Aaron Wood. Yep. That's one of the cemetery commissioners superintendents. I mean >> of a living fence. So we call him a living fence on the road. >> Now you know.
>> And that's why I was kind of against uh ripping something down like that. As long as it's living, I I think it's our respons Well, your responsibility, our responsibility to keep it to try to maintain it the best we can. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. And that's what 49 years.
>> 150 years old. >> Yeah. >> So that >> I can see if it all died like like that one section >> I sent it to everybody just for reference here. >> Yeah, I got all that in here too for that effect. >> So it's all in there. Um
they added to it looks like they added the south cemetery um because they put the total acreage here 16.35. So that was this this is before we um we we got the extra woodland next to
North Cemetery and behind it. So it's pretty interesting as given some background about when these things happened. I won't uh Oh, it's very >> It goes way back.
>> Yeah, it's extremely interesting. >> Yeah, >> but that um Okay. So, um >> what do you want to do about the grants? I mean, we're running We're starting to get low on funds. We're using a lot of our funds. So, do you want us to look
into that or >> Yeah. And and so yeah, I guess um does this historical commission submission help us at all that we actually have documentation that we submitted?
>> Um so I guess what are the next steps there? Um >> actually we just have to find who was giving out grants for the cemeteries. Okay, >> that's the problem I'm having because once I have that information, then we
submit it to Jennifer who will give it to the person that's supposed to do the grant writing. >> So grants have been given before, correct? >> In regards to the um >> that we could use right now historical
society we've received. Do you know if we've received >> Mike? in the past because I would think that it what I would most likely think to do first would be asking someone like the historical society if they've received
grants and if they did where they got them and then follow the same path and I can call Bill Tyler if you'd like me to do that to inquire because maybe he has an idea
>> that would be a good Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'll I'll contact him and reach out and see what maybe if they've done something in the past. >> Yeah. >> Because I don't know, but he would know. >> Yeah. The parks the parks have done it. Um >> the parks have done it >> I believe. So, or at least gone through
the process. >> All right. So, >> I believe with their park expansion they had been looking into grants. Um so, >> I think I think parks has Yeah. >> Okay. I can I can ask them and I can also ask the historical society if you
think Anyone else I can certainly reach out to? >> Well, this is the historical commission, not the histo. >> I think Bill is Tyler is historic historical society, right? >> Historical commission too, right?
>> Is it the same thing? >> I don't know. I don't think it is. >> No, no, no, no. Right, right, right. Yeah. A historical commission would be a town appointed board. The society is a private, >> right, >> entity that >> I went over saw Bill two weeks ago and
when I walked in when I walked in the office, he was up against the back at a big big table all by himself and it was they must have been having a meeting because there was three or four people at the table like this. >> And I I said, "Well, how come you're not?" He said, "I'm the big cheese." That's what he said. I'm the big cheese. All right. I just I don't know if that
means he's the big cheese. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he's >> disappointed. I guess start with Bill. >> See how we can >> He's a good guy. >> I mean, he kind of would put us on the right path. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> I don't think they did anything for uh grants in the past at least. >> Okay. He he would have said when I talked to him, he would have said he did. But >> right, >> that's okay cuz I just talked to him yesterday.
>> Or contacting maybe other towns and see what they do. I can certainly look into that. That might be the way to go. >> Other towns just y >> cemetery commissions there. >> Okay. >> How to get grants.
>> Mike, I just so I forget. I don't know if I showed you this. on the back of that paper. These are all all his kids. That's that's all his kids. So >> there's 17 kids there plus his his two wives. So that it shows all their deaths, all the where they're all buried. And that's where we came up
with. All the ones in yellow are the ones of the 12 that are 12 at the cemetery. Just I I forgot to show that to you. So if you quit some people around >> just wanted to show you that >> everything matches up. Everything matches up with the stuff on the ances
ancestry >> at the cemeteries. But what was throwing me off was the three the three headstones that were in in the other cemetery. That was that's what threw me off. I wonder why they didn't. >> That's what we don't know. I don't know.
Just they just they just out of time or >> maybe everything's got in the way, you know. >> But we're going to have the records on that. We're going to we're going to give them the record the actual >> footage of, you know, like I have here showing it. So you guys will have it for future generations, you know.
>> Yeah. Okay. All righty. Okay. So, any other information? And uh I think you guys can go back and do a little more work
looking at grants. >> Yes, >> I'll take a look too. Uh >> yep, >> appreciate it. >> And then um future meeting schedule and new items. Um, we did have somebody send us an
email looking about um if we do green burials. His uncle had passed away and son Barry and expressed a wish for green burial, but I I just wanted
I we're not set up for that. Yeah. I mean, I' I've had a couple over 11 years. Yeah. I've had a couple of people ask I I I don't think that's something we would, you know, I can't I can't Our rules kind of say that we can't
interfere with the next person's lot. We're going to plant a tree in a lot that's going to go over people's lots. I I don't I kind of don't think that's a thing. You know what I mean? I don't know. >> Is that what green burial is? >> Yeah. They they have a tree. They plant a tree with the with the ashes in the in
the tree. >> In the tree. >> In the tree. When I looked it up, it was >> a person being buried with only a pine box or no box. That's correct. >> Or with the tree, right? >> They didn't say anything about >> Well, that's the green burial. >> That's burial.
>> They wanted Well, I don't know. Now, that's something different now. I heard I heard it was with a tree. >> And that's that's why I said we couldn't do that. And in our in our in our in our things, we have to have we have to have some kind of box, >> right? You can't have just pine. Correct. >> You Well, you can Well, you can have
pine, but it has to be a box. You can't just take the ashes and dump them in the ground. >> It has to be concealed. >> So, so if body, but it might have been a body. So, if it's a body, >> you >> There's two ways my understanding from reading it. Yeah.
>> One was to get put in a pine box. >> A body. >> A body. >> A full body. >> A full body in a pine box. Or you just put the body in the ground. >> No, we can't do that. It's got to be in a box. I think it's a state law that you're going to have the bodies in a box. Imagine it would be does have green
burial places. >> Yeah, but I but that's what I'm saying. I thought it was for the ashes to go around a tree. Are you looking that up? I thought the that's what I thought the green burials was a tree with the ashes inside the the ball and then they plant the tree. >> Yeah, we we can I I just it
>> so definitely it's not something we do now. So it might be something we keep as um >> what's happening >> in the future the future thing that we can talk about right now it's not necessarily it's not applicable to us yet.
>> Right. Right. Right. So just something for education purposes. What are people doing and and you know we get down the road five years maybe we need >> more niche walls or or >> what' you find Bill? It says a green
burial uses a biodegradable burial container >> in no inbombing burial liner or vault. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> It's just a a box. >> We don't do that. >> So it could be a buying box or something similar. >> Yeah.
>> I would thinkable is also card. >> I would think that you said that's >> right. You're going to have to get the health department involved for something like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This would be something to kind of slowly educate ourselves. It's not
really um >> See, I thought it was totally I thought it was a tree. >> I thought it was they put things like you plant the tree as >> Yeah. >> So, we can just move on from that one.
>> Okay. And and any type of office space or do you know do we >> do we need the office space? office space to put notes at all or are we good there? Um, what what's our archiving? >> Oh, you know what? That was something
that that's right. I I talked to you about that a while back and I totally forgot about it. >> But do we have You're right. Do we have any archives where we can put what happened in the past? So that there is something that somebody
>> right now I have a box of all the >> But that's not >> all the cemetery commission stuff. >> You guys your stuff I have all the old stuff >> you got we like >> I have the stuff from >> you guys should have all that stuff should be with me in in a fireproof box. We're going to get We're going to buy another one.
>> I think you guys should buy another one. Go ahead. Yeah. >> Excuse me. my not not to you know change I'm just my point being is there should be something that is on the cloud that's easy easily accessible for us to kind of look through it that's that's what I
thought >> I thought you meant the paper I thought you meant the actual paperwork >> no not the just like a copy of the paperwork so we can say oh well we talked about this two years ago or one year ago or six months ago and >> I got you that's what I was that's what I meant >> I have all your books I have all the
books from all all the way back of of the cemetery commissions. >> And that's what we have to get another. We we you guys bought one, right? >> You guys bought one. We're going to buy another one. We think you guys should buy another one. A third one and put all your all your all your You guys have I mean they have access they have access.
>> Don't you put these things in the cloud? We don't have >> So all the agendas and the minutes are on the cloud. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I don't know how to access that. >> It's on a website. >> Yep. One of our go agenda. Yeah. So that is um
>> but I'm saying a place for somebody to go and just almost the equivalent of a file cabinet of clients and instead of going to each and every meeting that's laborious and timely. >> I think you should put it all the paperwork with us and you like you just said once you go on the town of Lunberg website he's looking it up right now.
You could actually look and go back month uh month by month by year by year every everything. But all this paperwork, everything that you guys doing should be in a in a in a fire and I agree. A fireproof box. I right now all my books. Well, >> as long as we have access to
>> Absolutely. I told Donna that you guys anytime >> come on over. You guys have access to my computer and >> you know that's the thing you know. That's >> right. So the agendas and the minutes are there. >> See there it is right there. Y >> yeah. So the the the thing is though that we can't go in and like if I say
well let let's put this spreadsheet in and yes these invoice or whatever we do >> right >> we don't have a we can't get in there the town clerk something >> unless you put all that as a package with your minutes. >> Yeah maybe send it to the clerk.
>> Why couldn't they use our conference room >> for >> to do what they want to do? >> Put a file cabinet or something. >> No, we don't. It's not a file cabinet. It's just a a central repository for You're right. Maybe >> they want they want to be able to go into the cloud and pull out any
paperwork that like he does right now here. >> Well, physical thing too, Mike, because I got all those core boards up, >> right? >> Maybe we table that for later. Yeah. So, we'll keep talking.
>> We can look I can ask >> office. >> You know, I'm sure there's I'm sure everybody working is putting stuff somewhere >> without having to ask. Do >> you have an extra office over there?
>> I'll ask I'll ask Heidi or somebody how how do we do this? >> Talk to Carara McCarthy. She's in >> Oh, Carara. Okay. Yeah. >> She's the town office person. >> Yeah. She's the IT person. Yeah. >> Oh,
>> yeah. So, what I'm hearing Donna say is you want the spot on the cloud where you have to sign in to get to it, right? >> Yeah. >> So, you can upload files and >> share it amongst you >> that we're reflective that maybe happened five years ago or three years
ago. So that we know, oh, this has already been discussed and what happened and We're repeating it or we're doing >> so they might be able to create a SharePoint site for you. >> Yes. >> So yeah, car is the person talking. >> Okay. I'll ask how how that's happening.
>> And then I don't know if if there's a small physical space available too that we get, you know, we can >> Yeah. I mean, we can always put a file cabinet or something at the DPW. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> But like a desk and a chair on not
really. Yeah, >> I tried use the conference room >> wherever it is. >> The Brooks House, you know, that's >> they used to be the superintendent's office and the >> school committee used to meet in there. >> I don't think they know what they do
with the Brooks House. >> Now it's just sitting there. We got a >> cube in there. >> Is there heat? >> Where's this? >> There's no heat. >> Forget it. We're not going. >> It's winterized. permanently winterized or something.
>> Brook's house. >> I was told they're taking that down. >> They haven't decided. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was I was >> Okay. I was told the ceilings are coming down,
the walls are coming down. >> Well, that's true, but they haven't decided what to do with the building yet. Right. >> Well, um, so >> just ask any public comment from the board.
>> All I got I just have one more thing. I know I know I talk a lot tonight. >> This here um this is my these are my It's never been really uh um on record. I've never really been on
record of of my my thank yous in my and the people that I work with with all the all the uh funeral directors and the people the fall camp companies and the people that I work with every day and the thank yous since I started 2015.
There was some bad blood there a little while and and there was some things said online, you know, and I just want to I never was able to rebut anything or say anything. I just kept my mouth closed. These are thank yous and these are people that I work with every day and I'd like to be on record from here on
in. So this is on record. So when I when I retire, >> not only were the things that said about the cemetery superintendent at that time, those are things that you guys can read on your own >> and anybody can read at that time. I'd like to submit that if that's okay with you, Mike. You the board, you know,
>> that's fine. Those are all those are all the uh John uh Mike uh Mike Maserelli uh >> Anderson Brian Anderson all the people Nick Nick Perro from Lumster Ball Company Dave Dudy all the people I deal with and uh you know all the thank yous that I've gotten over the years. Not
that I'm looking for the commission then those are your copies. I just wanted to recogn I never really cared about that stuff, but like I said, I you know, I was a little bit of there a couple years ago and I just wanted to >> I'll go through them and then just hand them off. >> Thank you. And then I can I can move on
now. I can move on. You know what I'm saying? I want to I want to keep going. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> No, we we certainly appreciate all the work you do. The interface for just like families is critical. >> That's the most important thing out of all this that we're talking about. The
most important thing is the families. When somebody comes to me, >> they just lost a loved one. >> You know, that's the most important thing. >> And Lance Bing always said that. Lance Bing always said, "The most important thing is >> the families when they step in that door at BPW or wherever."
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, any other comment? >> Make a motion we journ at 7:40 p.m. >> Wow. I second the motion.
>> All in favor? I Thank you. >> All right. >> I'm so hot right now.