Hey, great. Well, welcome to the April 23rd meeting of the Cemetery Commission. Looks like the weather's changing for us now and uh nice out. Should we all rise for the pledge of allegiance?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay, so let's see here. I have a
meeting minutes I can throw up. And uh we had um we put that together, Donna. And I just added uh the motions a little more formally to
it. Uh this is the meeting minutes from Thursday, March 26th. So, I don't know if we uh
we had to review anything. I just added in the motion update making it >> right. That was it was you like I print out the way you need to go. >> Do we have anything? Oh, there was one
other um which one was it? Oh, yes. Yeah, it was this motion. We we did make a motion to do the 20k transfer, right? Um because we we were going to town meeting with it and then since that was withdrawn
because we don't need a town meeting consensus gave motion to put the 20k >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So,
can I ask for a motion to approve the uh March 26. >> Yes. So I make a motion that we approve the minutes of March 26. >> I second. All in favor? >> I >> I
And then we had the uh December 11th, which was a straggler out there. Um it's March 26th. Here it is. And that was the one using uh the AI
companion. And I just made sure the the motions were correct. >> Okay. >> And I think we're in good shape. Um, of course, that was just a motion to approve the minutes. And then, uh,
>> So, did we make a motion to approve his prior? Did we not? >> Yeah, >> we did. Okay. And I was just going to check um just to make sure it transcribed properly. >> And and I noted here we did make a motion to do the 3020
expenditure for um >> limits to monument and I had not have I I neglected to put that into our budget sheet so I dropped that back in or put it in there. Okay. >> Um
And that probably is we did the lighting project to to bump up the value from 650 to 1,0003. And I think that might have been it. Yeah.
Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to um let's see what I want to use. approve the minutes of December 11th. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> I
wasn't for that one either. >> Great. I put my >> I was just looking. Okay. >> That was so long ago. >> All right. I'll just both meetings. Now we're on to public comment. I don't
see anybody on Zoom. Um any members of the board have public comment? I I would like to say and and say thank you for all the work done on the fish street project to date. It looks
excellent. I see a lot of people already noting it and >> yeah so so thank you very much for all the work done by the DPW and Todd and specifically yeah a few more things to finish up and
you know uh the headstones we got to get the headstones in there and stuff and you know uh Richard McGrath I guess he's got a meeting tonight but he's got the other Levi stone he's got the Levi stone and he I talked to him and he's wants to talk to you guys about making a making a
making a a metal sign of of the story of that family. So, you know, through the commission, I I said you guys should just get together, you guys and them and not me and Bill and have make up you can make up a nice sign and you know, we'll
put a sign up. So, he's all for it. Okay. And I don't see any members of the public. So go on to reviewing uh budget expenditures which
I guess uh do we have any invoice yet to >> we do have one. Yeah. Perfect. Did I just give it to you? I didn't just give it to you. No. No. I did. Yeah. This is the Amanda for the 7800.
That's the uh for the wall the walls that they built. I figured uh >> do you have the form inside? He's got he's got copies. Okay. >> So, that includes not just the wall, it includes the um posts and stuff like
that, right? Include all the burials. >> We uh I I never got a chance to dig it. I was just too busy. I had two full cre uh two full burials and I had six cremations in the past couple weeks and uh so Bill and I I mean we can we I
talked to uh Joel, Amanda Construction, and he said he had no problem bringing his little mini excavator over there and digging it. You know, it's a fee. It was a fee of $1,500. We're going to take care of that. I just didn't have time to get over there dig it because of the burial I had. >> So, we had scheduled for 5 days and we
got it done in three. I kind of helped out a little bit, you know. I went over there and gave him a hand and uh got it done in three days, but we still got to do a few more things to finish up, you know. >> Okay. >> So, we're going to take care of that 15 uh 1500. >> So, that's just for the um the grant
post, correct? or >> that's for all the that's all for Amanda. That's the walls that they built those around. Oh, >> that's part of it. >> Yeah. And then and the granite the granite sides that are holding the the walls together >> that came from uh that came from uh BPW. We had some nice granite up back and we
>> using huh? >> Well, you know, it's up there. You know, we just had to cut it and straighten out and we were able to use that. It's nice four and a half inch nice granite. We're going to put the the hitching post in there. We're going to drill 2 and 12 inches in. Bobby Bobby and I when we put
the headstones in, we'll we'll drill in, put the hitching post. I already have the black chain uh from B&B chain. Was hoping you guys would take care of that. We don't mind take, you know, doing the the excavation work, stuff like that. But >> it'll be a couple hundred, 300 bucks, maybe 200 bucks, something like that.
>> But, uh they forgot the hitching. They got the chain and the clamps, but they don't have the the hitching posts, which are like when you go to the North Cemetery and you go to parking lot, all the posts are chained. >> Yeah. >> Those That's what I'm talking about. So, we want that to We want to finish it off after, you know. Oh, yeah.
>> Be perfect. >> Yeah. No, that looks great. That looks great. >> I was hoping you guys would take care of that, though. >> Yep. Okay. >> Okay. >> We took care of the tree, that dead tree that was in the back. I I couldn't get it I couldn't take it down with the back hole, so we did have to get a crane in there and take it out. So, I don't know if you saw it over there earlier today,
but Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that leaning. I'm like that. >> Yeah. So, Bill and I definitely >> was completely rotting at the >> It was a hazard. And it was right at the corner of where we wanted to start, but we just we just came back a little bit and started. It's already gone. We just
got We'll check it tomorrow. Make sure there's no sticks in the ground. >> Okay. Do we have the um the invoice template for um >> I thought I thought I gave you a bunch. Did I not? I thought I Oh, >> I don't think we got one. I I mean, let me double check. I thought
I gave you a whole punch. >> Why did I throw it out? >> Recycling. No, I I don't I don't >> I thought I gave you some cuz I remember we were talking about it one day. >> I I can look and see if I have some. It's funny. Phil just asked me that five
minutes ago, too. Oh, jeez. I don't know. That's right. Yeah, I think I need maybe a couple three or something like that. >> I definitely don't have it. >> You have like a word document.
Yeah, it's it's a sheet of p paper that has just to do just write on what what we did and how much it is. You guys sign it and then Monday morning I could fly right in and go see uh my lean and those guys. >> We could just sign this. >> And then you know what? Maybe you can
send us a couple copies later. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I guess I don't have it. I know. I don't have >> I know we used a couple
>> hours that you know if you send me an email I can just >> and I we'll just keep it >> and I'll make copies and you keep it in a folder for when we come here. >> Nothing Mike You know who would have it?
>> I know. >> Yeah, I gave you I never >> We may have used them, too. >> Yeah, I think we could use them. >> We could just sign off for now. >> Yeah, sure. >> What's today? Thursday. >> Sorry.
Unless you want to go back there. >> Well, you can go back and get them. It's not a big deal. I can go back and get them. >> Can you ask? >> Oh, you got you do have them. >> There you go. >> You want to go make a couple copies? >> We just need one. >> Why don't we make a couple copies?
>> I can go do that. Yeah. Yeah. >> Does it cost a quarter or something? for one template. >> I don't even know. >> Yeah, I can. >> Change paperless from cash. >> I know, right? I have no paper. >> No paper.
>> I have a credit card. >> Oh, you had it. That's a good thing. Well, 10 cents a coffee. >> Take a take a break here action. They just kept coming in. That's us. Glad you found him. Let's see what account we're going to do
that capital. >> Um I don't know. Can I borrow the pen? >> Yeah. So today is the 24th >> 3rd. 24th 23rd. >> So what's the general ledger account
number? >> Uh 30006. Right. So at 7,800. >> Yeah, that's what you uh allocated for. 7,800. Thank you. >> I don't know if I can think I can get a
PDF out of this. I have a PDF. right there. >> Where we take 423? >> Yep. >> So then >> you're going to have Todd sign it and
then give just give it to him or how does that work? Do you want a copy? >> I I think we're good, right? We'll just >> I'll just sign it and I'll and then Monday morning I'll give it to I'll give it to uh >> So we don't need a copy for our records. >> Who the girls? Is there a girl in there? >> No.
>> Yeah, I think I >> Yeah, I'll get this. You might be able to use this in a PDF format as soon as I figure out how to use it. We can sign it. >> Oh, good. >> So, I'll just save that for now. >> Oh, like a docu sign. >> Yes,
>> that sounds great. Okay. I did uh note here under sale of lots we were at 9422640 and we motion to move 20.
Uh so that drops that to 7422640. But uh that takes our capital article from 1428361 to 3428361 and everything else I believe would stay the same.
We didn't check on interest through uh perpetual care yet. Um and so um the one thing uh I don't know Bill if you could check if um we've paid the
complete uh for the electrical installation of the lights the full 1003 >> that should be paid by now. Yeah. >> So that's probably already been accounted for. >> Yeah. That's that's Dan. That was Dan Haney. Yeah. That's all. He got those. >> Double check.
>> Yeah, he got those. >> Okay. And then uh so um and one item I I added in was the um
the uh stone repair cleaning penny for Lemonster Monument that had been invited. >> They have the plaque. They got they have the plaque and everything. And then the plaque was the the 2K plus um >> additions of that for
work. So the uh next thing we had was the uh South Cemetery uh stone straightening and repair. >> Yeah. Nothing nothing on that. we will concentrate getting Cherry Hill with Fish Street done for us and okay >> once that's done then we can we can
start concentrating on >> uh getting into the south. >> Okay. And our um our final tally there minus the uh 20k we moved uh would still
give us an uncommitted balance of 5293. And we have the uh perpetual care where um after the memorial day plantings we would have 3857. Any questions on uh budgeting here? Funds. Okay.
>> No, we're good. We're good. >> We're doing good. >> Let me check the Zoom too. Make sure no one's out there. Recording. Paused. Okay. >> I don't see you have to turn it back on.
>> I wonder if I can I do that. Oh, resume recording. >> Recording in progress. >> Oh, there we are. Uh oh. >> I can be able to make meeting minutes out of that. >> Turned on next time. >> Okay. the invoices due and DPW director
and superintendent reports. >> Right. So on the north expansion, so I've been working with Deliss and Roy >> trying to find a way to get the cost down. So we've gone through a couple of iterations. Where am I now?
Right. We started out the first iteration. we're at around 300,000 or and then with the other extras we're at 366. Um we had to adjust some of the unit
costs. We got it down to about 200,000. Still thought that was a little high. So then um the excavate and they had excavated hall away. Well, we told him, "No, we can leave all the
spoils there. Just push them off." So, we had him adjust that price. Uh, was there something else we adjusted? I can't remember. I think Well, that was a that was a big change. So, now we're down to 141,000,
which is still high for us, right? So I asked him, "What if we do half the area, right? Instead of 800 plus plots, we'll have 400 of plots or so." He hasn't gotten back to me on that.
Hopefully that cuts that 141, hopefully close to half, right? >> Seven maybe. And then that would be in the ballpark where between the capital funds we have and your funds we could hopefully go out to bid, right?
Um the other thing in all the iterations, he never had um any tree plantings. I know we had talked about maybe putting some trees down the middle. >> So I asked him to add some trees. And the other thing was the markers for
Todd. So when he lays out the plots, >> he has a little concrete markers. I asked him to put a price to install those. >> Okay. >> So I don't think we're going to be, you know, 141 cut totally in half, but
hopefully close >> and that should get us close to where we have enough money that we can go out the bid. So >> Okay, >> that's the goal. So would the goal be to do the half that's closer to like the um this the wetlands
or would it be you're going to do half how >> from the wall out? >> Okay. >> Right. I think do half. Right. So the wall, you know, halfway out into the woods. >> That's be where all the spoils get pushed. >> Yeah. That's where we want to push that truck that way. So yeah, we'll start
from the wall from the road and go in that way. >> Okay. And and the mark is the markers are for um for the lot lines. So say say this is the you come in you pull in you park right here and this is the cemetery. The mark is of you know 14 14.
I don't need to I and then over here it's it's a little bit more you know I think I think we said 20 20 or something. Well so we say 15 I think it was 20. But anyways I don't need them to put it every row. I don't need to put a marker every row, but I do need them to
make the outside and then come this way and then this way. Then I can always pull a string a string line and I can do my own I can put my own markers in and do my own mocking. But as long as I have the main one in the middle on the outside and back and the same thing with
the with the cremation area, as long as I got those marks on the outside, I can pull strings and get keep it lined up, you know. >> So this is this is >> it'll save us a lot of money. So this is the front of the wall. Is that what >> this? Well, this is the road. This is the wall. So this is standing in the road looking at everything. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. >> So what portion are you going to >> Well, we want to Well, this is the road. We're going to park right here. And you drive in this way. And you drive in over here. >> And this is this is the woods back here. So we want to do this front part here. This is 400 450. And then >> Right. Yeah. And then then if we if we
can if we can, we'll try to do the other 400, you know. >> Okay. So this could be a driveway on each side. >> Yeah. We'll we'll we'll extend it cuz I got to get I got to get to the back here because >> this this area right here is where I do all my all my fill and my my my loom. So, I'm going to need to get into back
into the back, you know. So, >> if we if we go half, that's fine. We'll have 400 watts. We'll all be retired and, you know, let the next guy worry about it, right? >> You know, I guess I'm just saying. >> But if we can if we can get all 800 in,
great. you know, then we then, you know, I I still think we'll make some money once we start talking about this and get it out to the public. I think it >> I think I'm going to be spend, you know, spending some time with people and buying lots. Yeah, I really believe that cuz
>> I got I got this weekend I got five families to meet Saturday. I have a cremation service at 11:30. I got two family I got the family to meet in in the morning in the north that no in the south and then I got the the north cremation. Then I'm going to meet three other families in the south and that's
going to that's going to wipe us out for any lots left in the south >> and that's it and then we're done with well you know they're still sporadic >> but that's for families within that area you know what I mean right okay >> I'd still like to look in if we can push
the south back a bit more um >> well >> on that hill and recover some >> you know because in in In fact, there's quite a bit of area there. That's >> Yeah, >> that's potential. >> The the the area to the right there when
you know when you stand at the the compost bin and you look to the left, they're all full of grays. And then to the right, now don't forget there's all there's a lot of 1800s over there, there are some areas that have some people from the 80s and 90s. And but beyond that, we if we were to do that, Mike,
we'd have to h we'd have to hire our friend Bill. Uh yeah. Well, sure. >> Yeah. He'd have to he'd have to >> we'd have to find out. You know, I'd have to find out because, you know, from what I understand, you know, we got to be careful when you start digging around
1,800 stones. You don't know what you don't know what you're going to find. And you know what happens if I find a bubble or find something? Everything shuts down. You got to call the state. You got to get the health involved, >> you know. So, >> yeah. So, if we if you guys really want to do that, then yeah, we're going to
have to you guys going to have to we're going to have to pay some money to get him in here and do some serious uh ground penetrating radar. >> Yeah. Well, you could start at the tree line and go, you know, where the hell is, right? You could say, okay, you
know, maybe even a mant you could build a knee wall and then fill that way to get >> Yeah, the potential is there. for for you know some people really want to >> be buried in the south cemetery I
>> you got that square that that big square up top I mean we we could we could >> we could do ground penetrating radar there >> and then make sure there's nothing there right >> before we go and sell something >> but totally it's up to you guys you know
>> okay All right. What else do we have? Well, >> give an update on Fish Street. >> Yeah, Fish Street. You guys, he lives right across the street. He's been watching from I can see him in binoculars doing sitting on his butt that way now. >> No, it it it came out great. The walls
are done. A lot of people stopping, you know, thanking us and everything. You know, I say it's the commission and, you know, Bill and can't get done without you guys, you know. So, >> true. >> And in historical society, they were involved. And I told him, Richard McGrath to talk to the other night. I
said, "Make sure you guys all get together and your board and this board and me and Bill and they can he wants to put up a sign explaining everything I I sent over to him about how it all happened, you know." And uh so tomorrow
we got to, like I said, we got some chains. I got to put some I'll talk to Bobby next week and see what he wants to get in there and put the headstones in and get all that done. We're going to cement those in the ground. We still got to dig them by hand. We can't get in there with a truck. So, we're going to have to doll I can only get I only made it six feet. Just enough of my mower to
get in there. I don't want a truck in there. So, that's why we we kind of backed it down because Yeah. So, we'll just we'll just doll the headstones in and set them all concrete, you know, and Bob's going to do that's part of his that's part of his his thing. So,
>> well, it's going to look next week or two. It's going to be completely done and the grass will be popping up. I'm sure we I seen fertilizer raer today, Zachon. You did get your hard work up. There's a lot today. And then like I said, the train the crane came in and took that tree out and we're looking
good. >> Perfect. Looking good. >> So, did we talk about the seasonal helpers last meeting? I don't remember. We may have. Um, we had the two lined up, and James, at the last minute, James got another job offer at the school he's
attending. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, towards his degree. So, of course, he had to take that over coming back here. >> Yeah. >> So, Axion is working, right? By all accounts, he's a good worker. So, that's
good. And we have an advertisement out for the second one, but so far, I don't think we've had any applicants. >> No. >> Uh, the other thing, the the young man
that volunteered last year, helped out. >> Yep. Chase, what was his name? Chase Jasma. >> Chase Jasma. Yeah. >> His mother reached out said he'd like to come back when school's over. So >> June June 20th, I think he said. >> So I'll have him for a couple three months until September anyways.
>> Yeah. >> I think I think she said two or three days a week, which would be fine. You know, he's a young kid. >> If follows direction, he's can paint. He can, you know, do whatever. >> He's a volunteer. >> Yep. >> Volunteer. Yeah. >> Wow. From high school. >> Yep.
>> Okay. So he's um So you're be bringing him in and a seasonal worker. >> Yep. We're going to try to hire the second seasonal. >> Okay. >> Hopefully. >> Um we did have the Department of Corrections come in for what? Two days. >> Two days. Yeah.
>> So, and sounding like they might be able to give us more help going forward. We'll have to reach back out to her. >> Maybe if we can get them once a week or something. They they have three crews that go out. I think she said Westford, Fitchburg, >> and I can't remember the other third
one, but she said that remember she came to the cemetery and we talked for a while and she says maybe I can make you a crew >> and I said to call you and talk talk about it. >> Who were they were they from? >> Department of Correction. >> The only thing is we have to feed you.
So we we would we will have a bill for food >> like donuts and coffee in the morning and then like lunches in the afternoon. >> Yeah. >> It's not bad. >> No, that's pretty good. >> We just got to feed them and we got them from 7 till 7. They got to be they got to leave the They got to leave the cemetery by 1:30. So they got to get
back to the >> So working from 7:00 to 1:30. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's a really good >> Yeah. Have coffee in the morning and then they you know then they work all day. They're fine. They're great. >> What's it a threeman group? Sometimes it's three, sometimes it's four, and sometimes if it's four, and I have John,
but the uh the prison guard, the guard, he can't stand around. He grabs a backpack. >> So, it's like five guys out there. >> That's really good. >> They're good guys, you know, >> and they're not they're not anybody dangerous. They're just finishing out time, you know, things that happen. >> They're close to release. So,
>> yeah, they're not >> they're not going to do anything. >> They're not any danger of anything. No. >> Yeah. I I it's a great program. They have a little resend service on too the way they get the guys out. >> So that'll be great if they they they
make a uh another another crew for us just for us. That'd be great, >> you know. >> Yeah. So we're going to work on that. >> So two or three days a week they could do it. >> Well, I don't know. It might only be one day a week, but we'll take it. It's It's a huge help. >> Yeah.
Yeah. I that's uh really I uh nothing else really. Uh still waiting. I mean it's early yet for flowers and stuff and you know Lake View and uh Kelly got like I said Kelly's got the plaque. Uh we already talked about
the Watson thing. That's all taken care of. Just really nothing. I mean we're pretty good. >> How's the grass looking? >> It it's really I mean it's just starting to you know green up and starting to pop here and there but I mean it was we had I had a snow in my house the other day.
Sunday morning it was stone out when I freaking got up like what the heck and of course all the cars were frozen when we came in. Monday morning it was all everything was frozen. >> Well I live up with that mountain. So >> I I noticed in the south one stone had
come down. >> Yeah. >> So that I think that's probably important to get those guys in there and uh get some work going. You know that's not a bad idea. We could probably get them in and maybe go after those stones that are all down first before we start
doing a section by section. Maybe we can get straight out the ones that are actually down. >> Well, how how much did we allocate for that, Mike? >> Uh 13,800. What is it? >> Uh 13550.
>> 13550. But there was no there was no time frame on that, right? No, no, there's no there's no time frame, >> right? >> So, we have to be a little careful there, right? Because procurement law says up to $10,000, you don't have to go with the bid, >> right?
>> So, 13,000 would have to go with the bid. So, we can only have them do $9,900 or $900, right? >> Okay. >> And then if you want to spend the other 3,000, we'd have to get a different company. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I'd like to keep Amanda.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. So, >> keep them. Yeah. 9,999. >> Okay. >> Not to exceed. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> See uh once they get through that what's left and uh
>> right. So I I'll talk to them and because now they have to go catch up on what they what they put aside to to finish up for us to do what they did. And I'll talk to them. Like I said, I got three I got a full burial uh tomorrow. Then I got three more. And I still have 10 more cremations. So, let
once things calm down, I I'd like to I'll get them back. I'll call them in, see when we can get them in and, you know, cuz I'd like to be there sometimes when they're working, you know, like like the wall. I like like to make sure. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Not that not that they don't, you know, they know what they're doing. >> However, it works with you.
>> Exactly. I like >> I like to make sure we know how we're setting those 1800 stones. I want to make sure, >> you know, and I had the kids with the kids, your son, all those kids, they did that couple projects, man. But >> they did a great job. you know, they how many did they straighten out? Like a hundred in the south and I think they
straightened out all the ones in the uh in the uh the north, you know. So, but I I just like to make sure that's okay. Okay. Let's see here. Setting stones. But next week, I think we'll have all
the headstones in over there and I'll have that that completely done. And like Donna said, we can have a ribbon cut and thing. >> Yeah, that would be good. >> Uh Amanda from she's on Facebook. She did do a a quick interview with me.
>> Oh, okay. >> Amanda, I think I saw Bel. >> She hit me. I I wasn't expecting it. I just I I wasn't I didn't gather my thoughts. I just said what what we did exactly the way I talked out and she put it on put it on video and so it kind of
explains everything, you know. >> Looks good. >> And that's what Rich McGra McGrath wants to do. He wants to make that he wants that to be written so people know exactly what happened. Yeah. Okay, sounds good. Sounds good. >> Yeah. Um, yeah.
>> Or maybe having somebody from the historical society talk about that and, you know, make it a a thing. >> Yeah. Like I said, I thought they were going to come tonight, uh, rituals, but Bill Tyler text me the other night and says, "Hey, we got a meeting. We're not going to be able to make it." I said, "All right, whatever.
We got plenty of time. You know, it's been sitting there for 200 something years. Been waiting on a couple weeks. for a month. >> Yeah, there is um some writeups too. Oh yeah, I noticed um Maryanne Sadulnick had passed away which unfortunately but
I I did want to recognize her um because when um when Dave Doran did some research on the Mass Historical Society and the submissions, she had done submissions for the cemetery the north and south
>> you know so so that was appreciated to have uh >> have that work on the cemetery commission or cemeteries. said she'd do it, too. So, >> yeah. Um Okay. So, um is that >> um
>> anything else? >> What? Uh the 16th we're going to have a flag burning. >> Oh, >> John Bowen's son. John Bowen Jr. >> Day >> June >> June >> June 14th. >> June 14th. >> Yeah, I think I think that's the day.
June 14th. John Bowen Jr. is going to have a flag burning thing in his yard if any of the veterans want to come. He's going to go he's going to go in front of the town uh board of selectment and you know make it public. So don't quote me
on that date. I'm pretty sure it's the 14th. >> 14th is flag day. Yeah. >> Flag day. Yeah. June, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I have between Greg Bingham and myself. I mean when I started there was in the back room there was you know the flags that we used the little 12 x 18
for the for the plaques. You know he had I don't know how many bags. He must have had probably eight bags seven eight bags. And I I must have generated another another 10 bags. And we're talking the big bags not 33 gallon with the big big ones. We you
know for the bad flags. So, and I I we talked to the uh uh girl from the VA and she said you can just, you know, burn them. Just burn them. Put them in. Put them in right away. You don't have to cut the You don't have to cut the red the uh the uh you know, the straps.
Yeah. You don't have to cut that. You I thought you did. Thought you had to cut them all in one at a time. And but no, you could just put them all in at the same time. So, >> okay. I know we used to do it in scouts. >> Yeah. >> Bit laborious to just go through. Yeah. >> Uh but yeah, that's good.
>> You do one big one symbolically, right, for the rest of them. >> And then we got I got to get rid of those. They're just they've been in the >> Okay. We just asked them, make sure you have a the proper ceremony to do it. >> So, he's going to he's going to go to the town. >> Yeah.
>> Pretty quick and get that straightened out. >> And then there was something else with John. What else was there? Well, placing the flags. >> Oh, yeah. No, the 16th. >> So, the 16th of May. That's right. Saturday, 16th of May. Um, if anybody
wants to come and give us a hand putting the flags in, um, we're going to shoot for the 16th of May. John Bowen Jr. again is going to spearhead that again. U, last year we had Autumn, our DPW worker, and John, right? Yep. And I'm
sure Autumn will be there again. Charity said that she would. And you know, if anybody wants to come and join and learn a little history and give me give us a hand, great. >> Hopefully we have some more volunteers. So we reached out to a teacher at the high school. Um I think she oversees
National Honor Society. So she put it out to the kids. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Turns out it's the same day as as the senior prom. So >> we may not have the older kids, but hopefully some of the younger kids. >> Sure. Sure. happens. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's the day I
got to do it. I can't do it I can't do it the week weekend of and I need a week I need a week just in case if we don't do it on if say it rains all day Saturday then I got the rest of the whole week before Memorial Day to make sure it's done you know. So >> So we can't put something like that on
the town of Lenberg >> or could we? We could >> I could put it on the DPW Facebook say >> I have like a signup sheet so you know how many people might versus just guessing. >> Yeah, they show up at whatever they want
to do. >> Yeah. See what happens. You know, >> so I was I was looking uh you know and saw the cemetery at some of the stones. Um yeah, down by the big tree
and um some of the veterans he had the veterans marker, but I'm wondering too from 1728 to 1778 or whatever >> we were we were under uh the British flag.
>> Yeah. The Union Jack. >> The Union Jack. >> Union Jack. So, do do we uh so we obviously we we have maybe veterans from the the British Army or regulars or >> we have so I have a list
>> way to recognize >> I I they're already they're already marked out. I already have them marked out anything before 1776 I have I have they actually say what their rank is on the like their name. uh they'll it'll say uh Lieutenant Benjamin
Dunore or something like that, but it's but it doesn't have it's doesn't their name isn't on the the plaque for the 1776, >> right? >> Because that's that was that war, right? So that's that. But before that, there were there were militia, there were
people, there were captains and boat runners and >> stuff like that. And it says right on I I've got I got a I don't know how many but there's but there there'll be a captain but he died in 17 the war was 1776 so there was dead 1740
1730. >> So yeah I got a >> captain's title and all. >> Do you recognize them? >> Yes I do. I have a I have a plaque but it doesn't it's not a revolutionary plaque. It's a veteran plaque. It just says veteran. >> Right. >> Right. So it's just like if somebody
>> a different Did you give them a Union Jack flag? >> No, I don't think we want to see those. Especially nowadays the way they treated us last week. >> Yeah. So there there are there are quite a few men that were captains or
lieutenants or soldiers and but they weren't in they weren't in the war, >> right? >> They were before the war, >> right? There could have been another war previous >> I don't know but like I told like I like I told you how >> Philip and I'm trying to think of the
>> some kind of a militia whatever it was. >> So uh do you put a flag there? >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. So they do they're recognized with an American >> they recognize but not not not the revolutionary flag. I mean not the revolutionary plaque that we have all the names on there where the benches at.
Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. Those they're all there. I have a list of them, too, you know? >> Right. >> But believe me, when I started, I'm like, why why isn't this guy recognized? Then I did some re research and I realized that these people died before that war, before the the Revolutionary
War. So, they were they were either >> running guns or maybe >> early. Yeah. I don't have all the in my head what they were, but >> I'll bring I'll bring something in next time. I'll show you. I'll show you. Okay, that sounds good.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um on to rules and bylaw comparison. Um I just started on that. Um I think we
see that um under the cemetery commission on lunarberg mass.gov gov is um see what we got here.
I thought I had it open. It's right here. Oh, here it is. Uh there's there's the chapter 310 and that goes through um
it and and my understanding is the 310 is um part of the uh charter that we can modify. Doesn't have to go through charter review and all. It's it's it's up to the commissions and the boards and the committees.
uh level 300 and below that we own. Uh and above that it would have be a formal change to the charter. Um so so there's things here like the fees are correct and all. Um but if we
go to the actual uh lunbergmass.gov down below to the link to the charter, you get obsolete uh information. Mhm. >> Yeah. It hasn't been updated yet. >> So I I guess the first thing is to find
out who who can update that if if they actually >> the town clerk's office. >> Oh, okay. So, so, um, we would ask the town clerk to, uh, repopulate it with the latest
and then we would >> Are you contemplating making any changes >> uh, moneywise because you got >> or any changes? >> You're going to make Yeah. Right. You got to make you got to make a you got to increase the rates. So, we want to make sure that's done first and
then we can then we can do like you just said, change it. So we can wait. We can wait till we My thought was just get everything clean first and then we can review it. But we could we can wait and uh because >> we do have to go over these and and uh
figure out how much you want to charge now and then just go over the rules. Once that's all done, then we can fix everything on the website. We'll have all our brand new stuff and then we can go right into the new new area. All set. >> Okay. So would our targeted date be u
end of June or beginning of July? >> Because when does the fiscal year end? >> June 30th. >> So maybe we should be July 1st or I guess Yeah, maybe July 1. I think that is possible. >> Yeah, that might be Should we Should we
give ourselves a couple meetings to get through this? >> Sure. >> Yep. I'm just trying to think that that would be a good time >> started. It depends on how you go through whatever changes that need to be discussed. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. cuz Todd had broken up into the proposed for the uh fees and charges and then uh the the maintenance rules to Yeah, you guys have the new updated
thing that we built, >> right? >> Yeah, you can have that. >> I got this one. >> So, this is what we're going to review, >> right? See, if you look up If you look up what? That's what >> I can't read that box. >> Yeah, that's what's up. There's five
pages of that. >> Okay. And we want to we want to >> you want to go through it one line one by letter. >> Well, pretty much. >> Yeah. I mean, we just like like Bill had said, you know, there are some things in there that you can put in there, but you can make it like a what did you say? A a
policy. A policy. >> You know, you you could have another another thing that says policy. >> Not not the not we don't want that. I don't want to give five papers to to residents and say figure it out, you I need it. We just need the basic rules
and regulations that would you know. >> So are you saying this would be called considered we're going to change it to policies? >> I mean I is that what you're saying? >> No, we're still going to have rules and regulations. >> Okay, >> which is what you want to be able to give to the rest.
>> They pertain more to the people purchasing the lot. >> Yeah. Deed holders. Here you go. the other stuff that the commission put in two years ago or three years ago now. >> Three years ago. >> It's it's more policies. It's, you know, has to do with grass mowing and and
maintenance. >> Okay. >> And again, that that that stuff is is >> Yeah. >> It's hard to >> It's important, but it's not for the people buying the >> It's not rules pertaining to them. >> Exactly. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So that's we'll we'll break those up, right? So that >> which which Bill did a very good job of it already, but that's what we want to that's what we want to go over with you and then you guys can say yeah yay and we'll go from there and then if you raise the rates we raise and we adjust
it and then we just go from there. Did we want to talk about uh rates right now, Donna, or um >> I think we should wait till Dave gets here. >> Wait till Dave comes in. Okay. >> Cuz we're just going to look at uh
>> and you've done work on surrounding. >> Yeah. I think I I mentioned before that the the three towns that were closest in population were >> I'll never remember it now. Um towns in in Peplo. What were they what were they charging for a lot?
>> Um, it was around I'd say it's about 1250 somewhere around there. It was higher and some I think Rotten was as high as like 1750. >> Yeah. Okay. That's a little much though. That's >> Let me just see if I have real quick.
And would you think of for the new expanded area to charge charge the more the larger fee and keep it lower for existing or would you probably want to go >> my recommendation go across the board.
>> Okay. >> So I'm going to go back a step total pepper was $1,550. That includes um that includes perpetual care >> double the amount we >> was 1750 and towns in list 525. >> Yeah.
>> Um but let me look at um >> per block, right? >> Yeah. I'm sorry. I had Yeah, it was it was No, it was upg. >> Yeah. And and that's uh per plot. And do they have a two Now we have a two plot
minimum typically, right? >> Yeah. >> So um I wonder if they charge um I can tell you what it is. Pepper was a single 3x9. A double was a 6x9. >> Oh, okay. >> Um the plot was 850. Perpetual care was
750 for a total of$,550. And then >> for a single >> single was 3 by9. >> Yeah. Did they >> I can double check the numbers, but >> did you get any prices for the interament interaments? >> Um I don't
>> So So we charge we charge $200 for a full See, that's where I think you guys can go up also. I honestly I I think if you guys went up $1,100 or $1,200 per lot, >> that's that's good. I think I don't think that'll kill anybody, you know. I think that's good. But I do think the
the prop the cremation Yes. I think you should guys go should go up to like 300 and then the same thing with the $200 for the full burial. Yeah, I think you should go up >> Mhm. >> five, you know, $500 or something like that. It it just gives you that much
more. And and you know, we're not in the basement seller of $100 and $200. And don't forget the first one's free. I still think you should do that. I still think you should keep the It's up to you, but I still think that's a good incentive whether it's a full body or premiss, whoever it is, the first one's free. and then go up on those numbers,
you know, without getting too too crazy, you know. >> Yeah. And what would would be a good time to roll it in? Would it would would we start in calendar year 2027 or would you just say well we've decided
in June or August to >> I would do it I would do it July right after July for us because I already have a fold of about 10 people >> that we we are going to we're going to sell it to at the price of right now that we have it. >> Okay. >> So you know that that's
>> so July 1. >> Yeah because Yeah. Because If we keep if we the longer we >> July 1st June 30th July 1st >> shoot for July. >> Yeah. Because I don't want people to come in here and say, "Oh, I heard you're going to raise the rates. I want to buy I want to secure a lot, right?"
>> You know, you know, that's no good, you know. So, >> so that's our calendar. Uh that's our fiscal year, July 1st. So, we should want to shoot for that to at least um address >> I'd like you guys to give me the the authority. Well, not the authority, but I want them to tell me say, "Okay,
starting now." See, we can't I can't do that because we we haven't gone up on the numbers yet. You know what I'm saying? We got that I got that folder about 10 people and we're going to sell we're going to sell them at 800 a lot. So, you know, I don't want people keep coming in saying, "Okay, Todd, we heard
you're going to raise." >> Well, it might happen. >> Well, you know what? What else can you do? >> Things go up all the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, from So, what I should say from here on in, >> we're not going to tell you a number until we until we get it figured out, right? But the 10 people that already
that we already said, >> they will go up, >> they we're going to keep them at at the 800 a lot. And then from here on in, whoever comes in says, "Oh, we want to I want to build I'm going to buy two lots in the new expansion." And I'm going to say, "Okay, it's not $800 anymore. We don't know what the price is going to be because the cemetery commission's going
to raise." >> So, have have these people that you're talking about put in put in deposit? >> Some people have, but some people haven't. >> So, I think that it's important that it's one thing to put it down a deposit. So >> you know because that's investing >> that's hot.
>> Did you say listen I don't know what it's going to be. >> Um you may want to >> want to secure >> that's why I want to say right now from here from here on in >> anybody that wants to buy anything in the in the in new expansion I'm just going to say we don't have a price yet.
It's not going to be the 800. >> Right. >> The 10 people that I already have or 12 people that I already have >> they're already set at 800. Okay. But we should this my thought is that and I understand where you're coming from >> that they should make some sort of commitment and because you can't just
keep it open-ended just so we know the prices are going up. It might be >> some some some already paid some some gave some money and >> some just they're on a list you know >> I I didn't know I didn't know where we were going to start. I didn't know how I didn't know how you know >> of course
>> I thought for sure again I don't I don't want to say nothing bad. We we this this would have been three years ago. We would have >> we would have had this all done. >> But again, all right. >> So, moving forward. >> Yeah. So, I will I will you know what? I I'll take that folder out. I will call
I'll call everybody. I'll tell them put some money down. >> All right. I can do that. I can do that. >> Or if you can't I can do it. >> No. No. >> All right. So, I'm going to call the uh call the people in the folder and ask them for at least something to lock them in.
>> Exactly. And from from here on in, we'll wait until Okay, >> that's that's that's a fair way to do it because it's now April. >> Yeah. Because I just hate telling people I hate to tell people something and then >> something happens, you know, and then then they look at me, talk, you told me this and now we, you know,
>> Well, you know what? I think that >> that's just going to secure them in that number >> is to their benefit. >> They'll be happy. >> We're not just saying, "Oh, by the way, you owe us whatever it is." Mhm.
>> Could I just Are we good with this conversation then? So, we'll uh >> we'll work and uh take a look at what Todd and Bill put together and what we have and then we'll be um prepared for next meeting
tackle some of this. Just one thought I had on the back lot expansion is um truck traffic. If I if I looked at like a large dump will carry
maybe 20 yards of material and if we're bringing in 4,000 um you know that's like 200 trips. Mhm. >> Do does that road have the capability to take that type of um large homeman
street? >> Well, the street does, but the cemetery >> we're not going to be on the we're not going to be on the road. Greg Bingham when he when he started this back with Lance and Steve Shaft and those guys, he already on the other side of the wall, he already he already made a road. We
just got to we just got to kind of clean it up, get the dozer in there. So that that truck those trucks going to be on the on the back side of that wall, the last road on the back side. They'll be good. Yeah, that was Greg's thinking. Great. >> Okay. I didn't know if that >> Yeah, I should say I should say stand uh standby to and I think Mr. Whip. Uh
>> All right. So, we got to get in there. There's some dead trees and stuff and that >> when whoever we get for construction, I'll I'll run right through it with them. I'll tell them how we're going to get in here, what we need to do, >> and this is going to be our access point in and >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then maybe afterward I mean that if we can do it such that it's a a greenway or something in the end, you know. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That sounds good. That was that was my only question of >> Oh, yeah. We couldn't put them on those
vehicles. >> We could never put them on those roads away. There'd be nothing left. Nothing left. >> All right. >> And I had grants here. Um, I don't know if you had anything that I grants or >> I do not and I think that
>> we should keep that I think we should we should keep that as an open subject but >> um I think Dave is working on that as well. >> Yes. >> Okay. I was actually David scheduled our next
meeting. I believe it was from um May 28th, but I'm going to be out of town. >> Um I was wondering if we could do uh maybe meet at the back lot again and just go over um you know, whatever you bring together
for that um for just a short meeting. >> That's okay. >> Which which day? >> When you want to do it, >> I think um >> you want to do it on a Friday morning? Yeah. Could we do that? >> The 22nd is the week before.
>> Yeah. I'll be out like would the 16th be okay or do it on the 29th? >> So the 16th is a Saturday. >> Oh, okay. The 15th. How about the 29th then? >> Friday. Sure. >> Would that be good? >> 8:00. >> Yeah.
>> So, where are we going to meet? >> Um, North Cemetery. Are you going to be out in your camera? Is that memorial? A Memorial Day. We could we could do it the u the uh
>> is that is that >> what did you say? The 15th or the 15th? >> We could do the 15th or the 22nd because those are the Fridays. >> Oh, okay. >> But it's up to you. >> I'm flexible on in mornings.
>> 22nd I'm probably not available. 29th though I can do. >> So you can do it. I can do it on the 29th. That's >> You want to do that? >> Yeah, that's fine. All right. Sorry, I'm missing the meeting. >> Okay. So >> waiting to attend in Florida. So
>> Oh, and so you're going to be back Friday. >> Oh, you're going to be >> We're coming back to 28. >> Oh, that's okay. >> Unless you want to bounce it one more week just to give me >> a little bit of rebound because who knows if it's going to make it. So maybe
we'd have to do it in June. Hold on. >> You want to do uh Friday the the 6th? I'm sorry. Friday the 5th. So we could do June I'm sorry. Yes. June 5th. >> Would that work?
>> Should work. >> That's fine. be warm by then. >> Yeah, we had a couple nice days last week. >> I know. >> And then snow again. >> Snow 32 to 80. >> Yeah, I kidding.
>> And then we probably have a meeting scheduled the end of June, right? >> The 25th. >> We could discuss um we could rules. >> We could we could just Yeah, we can keep that there. That's fine. Yeah, we can spot check where we are. If you say did you say the fifth and then uh
>> the fifth is a Friday. >> Yeah. Okay. >> At 8:00. >> So then >> lost the date. >> So that means that we're going to have to be really prepared to make some
decisions on that day. >> Yeah. Should we just try to cover the pricing? I think that we should try to cover as much as we can. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Look over the rules and regulations. >> So maybe maybe the um June meeting we
just cover um rules and rags as much >> I would and and and then so we can okay we can move into it July 1st with a brand new brand new setup and you know because we're going to be putting it out to bid. We're going to get going on that and >> Yeah. Yeah. take a look at everything
and see if there's any changes you want to make. You know, if you want to add anything, you know, we'll just go like that and then make a decision on the on the number how much you want to charge, you know. >> Okay. >> Cuz it's going to get busy. I I got a
feeling it's going to get busy. >> Okay. Is that your your main concern is the charges? >> Yeah, because because I I'm I'm running I'm running out of lots. Okay. All right. So, we'll make it we'll we'll get out. >> I mean, I meet four families this weekend. I'm I'm going to sell
everything in the south of the last eight I got over there and I got somebody for a niche wall now when I was leaving. I had another call my phone. They want to meet uh 3:00 on Saturday for the for niche. >> Mhm. >> Which is great. You know, it's another you know,
>> I don't know if you guys have to raise anything on that. I mean maybe maybe the I don't know the thousand's pretty good but maybe you could raise the the inter intermittent you know if you guys go 300 >> raise that 300 >> I think we should be
>> everything should be uniform if it's 300 in the ground should be 300 for an inter in the in the muzzle. >> Okay. >> Kind of keep it >> uniform you know >> makes it easier. >> Okay.
And when I say easier, I don't mean easy. You know what I mean? It just it starts you want to be consistent. >> Yeah. You know, you you start changing things around. It just All right. So, let's see. Oh, wait till I tell you what happened
with today. That old time again. Gave some crap to Zion. Remember the same one that gave gave some crap to uh the two girls and the other the remember James? That guy. I don't have to talk with him.
Always someone. Always something. All right. Okay. Places look good. I mean, they they look good. Zan, we've been cleaning up. We had, like I said, we had the prisoners. They cleaned up. You know, we got a little bit more cleaning up to do in the in the south, but the north is really really spot-ree.
And uh yeah, everything looks good. The shrubs look great. Shrubs look great. I never even got a chance to fertilize. So, we're going to wait until we're going to wait till this winter again, just before the first snowfall, so everything sets right in. >> Okay. >> But they they're coming back great. You know, I tied off a bunch of them last
year and everything held up beautiful. No broken branches, nothing. Not one broken branch. That hold that,000 ft. Nothing. >> No. >> We had a lot of >> That was a good test. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. All right. I entertain a motion to adjourn. >> Do you want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn >> and I will second motion. >> All in favor? I