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Yes. >> All right. Finish pinning everybody. >> Okay. >> Calling the meeting of the Lunenburgg Conservation Commission for Wednesday, June 3rd, 2026 to order. Uh in accordance with the

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requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting is being audio video recorded. The agenda lists all topics which may be discussed at the meeting and those reasonably anticipated by the chair. Votes may be taken from these discussions. Not all items may be discussed and other items may be raised to the extent permitted by

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open meeting law. Please be advised that the town of Lunenburgg utilizes Zoom platform as host for its subsequent preparation of meeting minutes and that AI companion is activated immediately upon launching the Zoom application. You are hereby notified that this AI technology may capture audio prior to the start of the meeting and or

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following the conclusion of the meeting. and do a roll call. Uh, Richard Burch >> present. >> Mike Larouche >> present. >> Det >> here. >> Uh, and I am present. Uh, Andrea is

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running a little bit late and Mary will not be here tonight. >> I start with public comment. Um, comments are to be limited to three minutes and on a subject matter under the direct jurisdiction of the commission. Comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of the specific agenda

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item. Please address all comments to the chair. Do we have any uh comments from members of the public? It does not appear that we do. Um, I'll start with Mike with the pollinator

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habitat update. >> Yes, Jen. Um, >> I do have the pictures to share, so I'll share them. >> That would be great. That's what I wanted to find out if those pictures made it to your um desk successfully. And um sure, go ahead. And these are

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pictures that were taken uh the day of the big event, May 17th. So that's what you have. >> Yep. >> I am sharing maybe.

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Why is it doing this? All right. It's not showing me. Here we go. It's popping in now. All right. Do you want to narrate while I show this one? Looks like a loopin.

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>> Uh, your guess is as good as mine. I don't can't ID all plants, but uh these are the plants that were noted uh and some of our favorites uh at the habitat. And I just got that one today, by the way.

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>> Oh, you took this picture? >> I did not. I just received it today. >> Okay. >> To share with everyone >> um at the conservation committee meeting. >> Okay.

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and >> and that is a that is a type of butterfly and I don't know which one it is but uh it certainly captured at the habitat so we're very happy that it's pollinating >> I was trying to look them up as I was

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coming into the meeting and name them uh this one is said American copper >> okay >> butterfly >> and then this is a butterfly by uh and it had it had a funny name. Oh,

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morning cloak, but morning like mourning like I'm sad. >> Yes. >> And then do you want to tell people about the uh event while I show the pictures? Uh the event uh featured you know all the volunteers get together and

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we did some uh seed starting um and decided you know just to get organized for the season. you know, the mowing uh is ongoing. Um and um it's it's just

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great to see everybody get together in the spring uh talk about what they are going to do this season at the habitat. And Jennifer and Carol are our kind of our two photographers who take all of

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these wonderful pictures that I hope to share with everybody. uh at the beginning of our meetings uh in these coming weeks and months. >> Yeah. So, these are some violets. And then I like this one. It says it's a

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painted lady. >> Yes. >> Yeah. That's really cool. >> And then that one is a gray hair streak butterfly. All right. So, the pollinator habitat is

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located at 123 Hollis A in Lunenburgg and that is open to the public. There is free parking and anyone is available. Anyone is allowed to visit that anytime during daylight hours. That's That's correct. And it's Hollis Road, actually. But

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>> is it Hollis Road? >> Hollis Road. >> Hollis Road. >> Yeah. Big big butterfly sign. You can't miss it. >> So, all right. Um, up next, thank you so much, Mike, >> for that update.

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>> All right. Up next, we have the drought declaration, D May 22nd. Do you want to talk about that, Herman, >> or did you want me to talk about it? >> Um, either way, it's up to you. I can just >> You can talk about it.

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>> Sure. Um, so I I believe it was um May 22nd of this year, the Massachusetts Department of um Environmental Protection released a statement raising the level of drought.

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So we went up to level two which is significant drought and that was um Connecticut River Valley along with central and Nucket County. We are part of central county and this just means that um they would like all regions

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within that scope to please minimize overall uh use of water, follow local water restrictions, fix indoor leaks such as toilets, faucets, showers um and for larger buildings and businesses to conduct audits to identify any areas of

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leakage. Um they like to limit they would like for people to limit washing hard surfaces like sidewalks, your patios, your driveways and sightings. Um and that's just basically it. >> All right. Thank you so much.

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>> You're welcome >> for calling that out. I didn't think about limit washing hard surfaces. That's good to know. No power washing. Um okay. So,

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uh, we have minutes of the 52026 meeting. Has everyone had a chance to look at those? >> Yes. >> I'd make a motion to approve. >> Do I have a second? >> Second.

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>> All right. Uh, Teddy with the motion. Mike with the second. Uh, roll call vote to approve minutes from 52026. Mike Larouche >> I >> Richard Bur >> I >> Teddy Ducet >> I >> and I for myself.

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All right, minutes approved. >> Okay, moving on to new public hearings. We have a notice of intent by Nichols Excavating LLC for replacement of a failed septic system at 146 Young's Road. Do we have the applicant

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or representative on the call? We have a representative Ryan Proctor with Bills Roy. >> Okay, great. If you'd like to share your screen, is it letting you or do I have to change anything? >> Um, I will send a request right now. >> Okay,

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>> I'm not getting one. Did you get one, Harland? >> Yes, I just allowed it. Okay. Yep, I got it. All right. Uh, can everyone see the site plan? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, great. So, uh, Ryan Proctor

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Diss representing the applicant and the project at 146 Young's Road. This project, uh, that we filed is a septic replacement for an existing failed septic system. Um, so I've attached a colored plan here on the screen. I'll just kind of walk through the site here. So the the property itself is a corner

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lot uh which the boundary is identified by this pink boundary. We have an existing driveway off of Young's Road um which is not clearly shown. Let me just highlight it very quickly. Uh there is an existing paved driveway um that accesses the southeast portion of the

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site. And the existing sewer line comes out of the existing house at this corner of the house into an existing tank and leech pit in this area. And then there is a very sharp and steeped slope that walks uh that runs down toward the bordering

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vegetative wetland in the southerntherly portion of the site. So we are proposing to replace the system. Uh we perform soil testing. The new system will go more or less in the same location as the existing system on the southerntherly side of the driveway. We are actually

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proposing to relocate the driveway away from the resource area uh more outside of the 50oot offset to accommodate the construction of this system. Uh we unfortunately because of the grading and the the groundwater could not make gravity. Um so we will go out to a new

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septic tank pump chamber and then we'll have a very short run up to the distribution box and ultimately into the new system which has been designed as a a leech bed. The system and the tanks themselves are entirely outside of the 30ft no disturb zone uh which is this

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dashed red line. However, we do have some breakout grading that will extend uh to within the existing lawn area uh to the top of the slope. To contain that further, we are proposing a uh block retaining wall with a poly barrier as tight up to the system as we can and

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that will run along the top of the existing slope to prevent any filling necessary filling down the slope. So we are containing that grade as much as we can and we are proposing uh straw waddles along the existing limit of clearing on the site downgradient of all proposed work and that uh line is shown

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there in orange. Uh we're fighting a couple offsets uh on this site uh which ultimately drove to the system location. There is an existing well uh on our property as well as an abuing property which uh the 100t radi for these are shown in this blue

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for both of them. So, we do have to seek some approval from the board of health as we are within 100 ft of the well on our site. We have not done that yet, I don't believe. Um, but we will have to permit the project with them as well. I've been checking all day. I do not think we have received a file number at

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this time. Uh, so I am not expecting that we'll be able to close tonight. However, if there are any questions regarding the project, I'd be happy to take them. >> Um, yeah, I checked DP and there's still nothing >> as of 10 minutes ago. >> Okay. Um, do we have any questions from members of

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the commission and Andrea has joined us now? It does not appear that we have any questions for members of the commission. Do we have any questions for members of the public? Uh, do we have any comments uh from members of the commission for anything

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they'd like to see before they come back for the next meeting? Hopefully with a Well, I'm sure you'll have a I hope you have a D number by the next meeting. >> Yeah, we probably won't come back if we don't have a number. So, we'll we'll wait till we get that.

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Okay. Uh, we don't have any comments or questions from anybody, it appears. So, I think we'd be looking to continue to the next meeting. >> That would be great. Yep. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, um, that's going to be 6:17, right?

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>> I believe so. So, >> yes. >> Uh, do I have a motion to continue to the June 17, 2026 meeting? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I >> Richard Bers. >> I >> Teddy Ducet. >> I

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>> Andrea Berna. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. All right. Up next, we have a notice of intent by uh I think Jeni Construction, Jen Construction for the

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construction of a single family home with the Wetland Crossing at 507 West Townsend Road. Do we have the applicant or a representative on the call? >> Yes. Hello. My name is Zach. I'm here for representing New England Environmental Design.

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>> Great. Great. Um, do we have it set so people can just share their screens, Herin, or do they have to request it? >> I'm I'm sorry, what? >> I was asking Herin if we have it set so that people can share their screens. >> Oh. Oh. >> Or Herlin's the um conservation agent.

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>> No, I got you. Um, I think it says they can share it. >> I uh I apologize in advance. I I don't have a screen to share or I don't have electronic copy of the plan. If if um if somebody else did, that would be great.

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You could just throw up the site plan. >> Um otherwise I >> Yeah, I can do that. Um I have it up on my screen somewhere. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Get out of the full screen so I can see it. All right, this one is

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got my 19 believe. Yeah, I think this is it. Okay, there it is. >> So, let me Hold on. I have all the Zoom stuff in the way. Let me just get rid of it because Zoom >> Oh, yeah.

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>> Okay. So, >> okay. >> Where are we focusing on? >> Well, I figure we'll focus on uh the top of the page first. I'll work my way toward the street. Um, this is a new construction project on a 28.44 acre piece. So, it's a very big piece of land

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and we're utilizing uh the first portion of it that we can and keeping our footprint as as small as possible with um with the house and associated septic. We have a four bedroomedroom house going

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in. Now, this whole area, I'm not sure if how familiar you are with uh the submission, but this whole area was previously disturbed. Uh some I'd estimate 10 year uh 10 years ago, 8 10 years ago. Um

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it's clearly visible in the satellite imagery uh included in the report. And so this whole area where the septic house and storm water and the well is in front of the house, you can see it there right in the in the 50 foot buffer. Uh

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is all in an area that's been previously disturbed. And we're proposing a a lawn driveway asphalt leading to it. Uh keeping as far away from the resource area as possible. And

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to do that, we need to enter over an existing stream down at the street. And I believe that is going to be the point of major concern. And

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and uh that's that's really uh all there is to tell about this one. It's um >> Okay. So, the the home is proposed here and then the septic is the leech is going to be over here. It's proposed over there.

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>> Yeah. Which is up in elevation. It's going to be pumped to because the house the house is down lower. They wanted the clients wanted the house centrally located on the lot and um driveways are expensive so we didn't

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want to push it back any further. We put it in the first spot that opened up and allowed for it. And um yeah, the pro the problem is that uh entering the lot there is no place to

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enter the lot where we can avoid uh the wetland resource area. The home 493 West Towns End has an existing driveway that crosses the stream and uh we were hoping to

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use it as a common driveway to reduce and eliminate a second uh new crossing that would be for this proposed lot. the owners were not interested and so we have no choice but to cross it at the

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narrowest point uh which is far on on the left of the frontage and um yeah there's just uh there's just no other way to get into the lot

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other than that crossing and so that will be the challenge here to do that as cleanly as possible. And um it does appear that the stream has

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seen significant alteration in the past. Uh the neighbor on the right side there, uh what number is that? I15. They actually have uh a n two 90 foot long pipes that the stream travels through

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traveling underneath their backyard and and then it rounds around uh their septic system which is actually pinched right up against the wetland um insanely enough. But it's there's a

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lot going on here and um due to the fact that the area has been historically disturbed uh we were hoping that um that what we're proposing is reasonable

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um seems reasonable to the commission. Uh we saw no other feasible alternative to cross that section of stream

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than what we have proposed. And we will perform installation of it um during the lowest lowest point of the year uh if allowed

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sometime in late summer I would imagine. And we will have erosion control set up carefully protecting everything as best we can and keep it in place. And there will be a little bit of

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wetland fill on that location of the crossing as necessary. Um 268 square feet, so less than 500. Um so we don't by the wetland protection act have to

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replicate it but we will be there there is some temporary some temporary disturbance and some that will be permanent that is where the where the um driveway and the piping to allow the

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stream to continue under the driveway will exist. And we will replace we we will be scraping the top layer the wetland materials best we can and stockpile it and replace it uh on the area of

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temporary disturbance to to the best of our ability and and um yeah that's that is that is the project most

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again mostly I think the stream is the major concern. >> Okay. Um yeah so the stream is I mean the driveway going through the stream is the only uh all all other work is is uh

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restricted to buffer zone. There will be no other no other disturbance of any wetland areas. Um, no no no disturbance in the no touch areas, little bit of grading in in your 50 foot

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buffer and and the house is proposed to be placed with within the 100 foot buffer. >> Okay. Do um we have any questions for members of the commission? I just want to last I checked about 15 minutes ago there was no D number for this.

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>> Correct. Yes. Um Teddy, you have your hand raised. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I wasn't able to go to the sidewalk for this. Um Herllin, were you able to go to the site? Sorry about that. Yes, I was able to go to the site. I uploaded some pictures.

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Um I went out there. It's a very dense area. I know that uh Commissioner Bernap has her hand up, but I just wanted to state that for the record. The applicant stated that this was a previously disturbed area. Um, according to our GIS records in 2019,

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um, the area was a little um, it looked like it cleared somewhat, but 2015, the area is very dense, which was just 11 years ago. >> Yeah. >> And according to our GI um, according to a little bit of title search, the property adjacent to it was previously owned by this current applicant. Um, as

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far as some pipes or something in the waterway, um, I'm not sure if that's relevant to this particular project, but it could have been mitigation by the same applicant who previously owned that same parcel. >> Okay. And I have one other question.

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What was the reason the common driveway um, idea was ditched? uh the our our our client approached them and and gave them a summary of the project and what we were hoping to do

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and they they just had no interest. They don't they don't want a common driveway. >> That would be this neighbor right here >> on the left. 493. Yes. >> Oh, this one. >> Sorry, I can't see you pointing it. It's

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it's the one on the on the left right to the left of our proposed driveway. It's their theirs is grayed out a little so it's a little tougher to see but um >> Oh, hold on. Let me I wasn't sharing my whole monitor. I was just sharing it. Let me open this up.

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>> Madam Chair, it's the house to the left. So, if you're looking at aerial view, it has sort of a roundabout >> almost like a U-shape in the front. You can pull in >> satellite image. Yes. Yes. >> This one right here. >> Yes, that's the one. I was I thought you

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were talking about maybe here coming off of this driveway and then coming in here this way, but you were talking about these. >> Yeah, that so to the right of that roundabout drive. Yeah, that right there. They've got a little gravel dirt

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driveway that is actually slightly on our built onto our land. So, we were hoping that they they would say okay to the common driveway, which would have meant expanding the driveway as it exists. So, there we're not avoiding

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disturbance to the wetland resource area in in either of those cases, but um they they just had no interest and and that kind of put an end to that immediately. Okay. >> Um Andrea, you have your hand up. Oh,

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sorry, Daddy. You were done. Yes. >> Okay. Um Andrew, you have your hand up. >> Yeah, thank you. Um I was just wondering um if it wouldn't be possible to put the driveway right next to the other driveway. Um,

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so I think the reason we weren't going that route is because um their existing pipe. I just we I don't see uh connect connecting with their pipe with with

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ours uh being I don't know if that will work. So, so we've got a little gap between them where our pipe will outflow and then it will reenter their their existing pipe. Um, but to build right up

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onto theirs, I just um that might even be I'm not I'd have to actually review the laws, but I don't know. that might even be considered a common driveway if if if I'm interpreting it the correctly the way

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you mention. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Andrea. >> Okay. So, the driveway for this house. I'm sharing my screen, right? >> Yep.

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>> Is Is it right here? That's that U driveway. It's just not >> I don't have I don't have We didn't locate their U driveway. We only located the the closer one that we were hoping to Okay. the chair. It's grayed out there. Yeah, you can see >> this one right here.

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>> Yeah. >> So, this is the line right there. >> And is there does it kind of go over the property line a little bit here? >> Yes, it does. Um I don't have it dimensioned, but it it does go over by at least a few feet. >> Okay. Uh Richard, you have your hand up.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I had a couple quick questions and a comment. Uh, comment one. Uh, I for one would like to see a planting schematic and a construction detail for the temporary disturbance that you're

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going to replace. Uh, number two, I'd like to see replication area for any loss of wetland area. Again, with a a planting plan and a schematic on how and when.

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Um thirdly, I'd like to see along the 30foot buffer where the area has been devoid of vegetation. >> Uh some sort of planting demarcation so that we are not intruding into the 30

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foot no disturb zone again. >> Oh, such as a like boundary like a sign that's or bounds. I've seen >> like a planting >> plant. Oh, like arborvite or or some sort of >> Yeah. or some sort of uh fairly

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goodsized native deciduous that would uh >> right right >> take in the facultative area where that is along the 30-foot no touch so that we don't have intrusion again. So it's pretty well demarcated. >> Okay. Um, the other question I have is

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when I look at 507, >> it looks like we've got the proposed septic and leechfield not on 507, but on 533. >> Um, 533. >> Yeah.

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>> Is 533 the house to the right? >> No, it's the that's the lot directly behind it. When I look at the GIS, >> um, >> you're looking at the GIS, sorry, that's that's because, uh, the two part those are two parcels that are on the same

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deed. So, it's it that lot line is essentially Well, there is no lot line there. It's the same owner. >> Mhm. >> Um, yeah. So, it's so it's just one big lot made of the two parcels. >> Okay. Uh, but I mean it it's listed as a

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separate address 533. >> Huh. That's funny. That's funny. I didn't know that. >> Yep. >> Um, is that everything from you, Richard? >> Uh, no. I was uh wondering why the where we're using the whole we've got a

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28 acre parcel, why we don't have the house outside the buffer zone. Um well that is that is because uh the client simply wanted the house located centrally and it uh if you're standing

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on the lot in person they they really liked that location. Mhm. >> Um, so I I we were just designing it to the uh client's desire best we could and and um

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I guess I for one would like to see us try to mitigate any construction where we're have a wetland crossing. We have the entire driveway at this point inside the buffer zone. see if we can slide the house as far out

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of the buffer zone as possible and not have degrading right up to the 30 foot no disturb boundary >> I agree >> thank you Teddy >> yeah so those are my questions at this point

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and of I'll withhold any other comment um pertaining to the DP's comments when they issue the file number. >> Okay. Thank you, Richard. >> Thank you, Madam Chair.

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>> Herin, you have your hand up. >> Hi. It was I was just going to reiterate um if I was able to speak on what uh Commissioner Bush was saying. Um, >> we didn't get the amount of square footage of the length of the driveway,

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but with um very offset calculations, it looks like it's pretty significantly sized. Um, my recommendation to the commission would be to have the applicant propose the actual um home to be outside of the buffer zone. It would

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strain the driveway a little bit and I think it would reduce the amount of impact close to the resource area. I know that the applicant wanted to have the house staged in this location, but he does own they own the parcel adjacent to us to this. I'm sorry. I say to us

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because we own the other parcel. The conservation commission owns the other parcel adjacent to the parcel that's next to this. >> Oh. >> So, um it was just a question that I had um too and I wanted to add to what Commissioner Burch was saying in regards to moving

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the home outside of that buffer zone. straightening out the driveway to mitigate the impact um on the buffer zone and if the applicant was open to maybe possibly doing that. I know that they did provide um measures of other

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alternatives that weren't going to work out like a bridge over the wetlands instead and another form of entry, but none of that spanned out. So, uh that was just my comment. >> Okay. Obviously, I can't speak on the

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applicant's behalf to that, but I will bring that back and and let them know that we may need to look at different house location alternatives. I can definitely do that. Okay.

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>> Do we have any other comments from members of the commission? Do we have any questions or comments from members of the public? Okay. Um, so I have

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uh for the for the next meeting we would like to see a or this would request and I can see what the commission is thinking. Uh, planting schematic and construction detail for I can't read my writing on that one.

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What was the first thing that you asked for, Richard? Not the replication detail, but the one right before that. >> Uh well, replicate the the replication detail for the temporary disturbance and uh replication of the permanent

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disturbance. >> That's what it was for the temporary disturbance. I was writing too fast. I was trying to keep up with you and I can't read my own handwriting. So, planning schematic and construction detail for the temporary disturbance. Um replication detail on the disturbed

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area. 30foot buffer planting demarcation plants um native deciduous and then also uh move the structure outside of the

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buffer zone. Haren, you have your hand up. >> Yeah. Um, Madam Chair, I would also like um recommend the commission ask for a construction sequence phasing and a uh if they can please put on their site

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plan where they're going to have staging. Okay. Yeah. Um so also add to that construction sequence and where the staging will be during construction. >> I think does that cover everything? Did I miss anything?

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Anyone keep me honest here? Okay. Um, did I think with that I'd be looking for a motion to was Are we looking at the 617 meeting? Would that work for you? >> Um, I

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believe so. I I myself I'm I've actually got some uh I hate mentioning all my medical problems, but I I do have some things going on this month. Uh but I will do the best I can. That that's still two

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two and a half weeks away. >> It's exactly two weeks away. Um, if you know if you're not ready or if the D hasn't come back with comments, then you can just send an email or put a notification in the open gov portal and

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let us know that you want to come to the next meeting. >> Okay. >> And we'll just note it on there. >> I will try my best to uh keep in touch for sure. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, so looking for a motion to continue to the June 17th, 2026 meeting. So >> move second.

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All right, I'm gonna say Mike with the motion. Teddy with the second. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> Hi. >> Richard Burch. >> Hi. >> Teddy Ducat. >> I. >> Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you

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so much. Have a great night. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Moving on to continued public hearings. We have a notice of intent by Daniel and Rachel Brackett for a common driveway to provide access to four residential lots

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at 860 New Towns and Road. Do we have the applicant or uh the representative? I see Ryan on the camera. >> Yep. Ryan Proctor Dillisenroy representing the owners and applicants who are on this call as well. >> Okay, great.

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>> Um I will I assume it's okay if I share my screen again. >> Yes, absolutely. Okay. Uh, thank you again. Uh, it's been quite a bit of time since we were before you with this one. Uh, Greg Roy from our office had actually presented at the opening public hearing. Um, so this

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project is located across uh, three parcels 850, 852, and 860 uh, New West Towns and Road. Consists of the subdivision of the properties into uh, four lots to service four town homes. uh each of each will consist of five units

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with each within the town home. And to service those uh town homes, we are proposing a common driveway uh located off of New West Towns and Road uh up through all the lots that will terminate at each dwelling with individual driveways.

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At the last meeting, uh Greg had indicated that we are proceeding through the planning board process. Uh so we actually currently still have three applications before the planning board. We have a special permit application for the common driveway. We have a site plan approval for the proposed use of the

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town homes. And we have a storm water management permit. All of which are currently still under review from the planning board. At the last meeting, the commission had indicated that they'd like to wait to see the results of the peerreview consultant that the planning

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board had um had engaged with. So last week, at the beginning of last week, I did submit a response to that uh peerreview uh comment letter that we' received from Graves Engineering as part of the planning board process and revised materials which included the revised site plan set uh drainage

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report, a peerreview response letter. And then I did also upload a specific conservation cover letter to address the uh handful of D comments that we'd received uh subsequent to that opening public meeting. So I'm happy to go through specifically the conservation

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letter. I will just uh give a brief overview. The Graves peerreview letter relative to the stormwater permit and common driveway special permit was largely related to the storm water management system. So the commission uh just as a reminder and a refresher again I realize it's been a while since we've

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been before you. The majority of the common driveway itself will be super elevated to route storm water into grass swailes along both sides of the driveway. Ultimately discharging to one of several uh infiltration basins, storm

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water management areas along the site and upgrading of the wetland areas to intercept, infiltrate and provide storage of the storm water associated with the upgraded impervious areas and other disturbed portions of the site. So, a lot of the comments that we had received from Graves were relative

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specifically to storm water. Um, a couple note discrepancies and uh some labeling errors. And then one of the comments that did overlap with D's comments was relative to soil testing. They wanted to see soil testing within each of the storm water management areas which we did complete and that resulted

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in in a few minor modifications to the actual design of the basins and the outlet control structures. However, the location of these storm water management areas was largely driven by grading and as such they have really not changed uh from the initial design that Greg had

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presented um back in the beginning of March. So, I will quickly go through the uh comments that we'd received from Mass D and the cover letter I had submitted. Uh the first uh two I believe were relative to the uh a forest cutting plan

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that was issued a little over 10 years ago uh for this site and those restoration areas. So um they they note that forest cutting plans are not typically issued um for the development of a property rather as a standalone

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permit. Um again this was a little over 10 years ago. I believe they are typically renewed every 10 years. This is a little bit outside of my area of expertise, but um we're we're outside. It's been 10 years. Um now we're proposing the development of the site and some of those previously disturbed

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areas will be utilized for within the proposed development and anything that is not proposed within our proposed limit of work uh will be allowed to naturally reveate and we are not proposing to continue the forest cutting operations on the site.

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Uh those were the first uh two comments. The second uh and or the next couple were relative to storm water. So there was a question about the total suspended solids TSS removal within the storm water basins. U we had a discrepancy in our sheets where we were double counting

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our pre-treatment with our uh final treatment devices. This is actually also a comment from Graves Engineering as part of the planning board process. So that was resolved and we did submit a revised um calculation sheet within the uh revised drainage report that I

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submitted. Uh the next comment as I just spoke about earlier was relative to test pits in the location of the infiltration structures. Um I on the site plans we actually included the logs for each of these test holes with the estimated seasonal high ground water as well as the soil textures.

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And then the I'm sorry, not the second to last comment uh was relative to uh it says a proposed site plan set uh depicts a sewer force main extending easterly from the building. This is relative to uh let's see if I have it shown.

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Uh one of the septic systems serving lot three is actually very far up gradient and around and an an isolated wetland area at the top of the site. We are not proposing any buffer zone disturbance within this area. of the four main routes along to the back side of the septic system which is located over here

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and all storm water runoff actually flows away from this area up here. And then the last comment was that all revised materials should be submitted to D and Conservation Commission. So we did submit a copy uh to D via mail uh when

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we uploaded these materials to open gov. So I think that brings us up to speed. Uh as I mentioned we're still working through the planning board process. We are set to appear before them next Monday. If there's any questions regarding any of the applications or any conservation related items, I'm happy to

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take them. >> Okay. Thanks, Ryan. Um, do we have any questions for members of the commission? >> Uh, Harland, you have your hand up. >> Hi. Uh, not pertaining to the actual application, but the delivery of um

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materials to D. Did you email them mail? um because they suggested that the commission refrain from closing the hearing before they received the materials. >> We mailed them. Um I will I can send them an email copy as well. Um but I believe yeah we just send hard copies I

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believe. But I am I'm happy to do that either tonight or first thing tomorrow if that would be helpful. >> Thanks. I was just asking for reference. Um um in regards to the commission, I just I don't know if um they would be open to

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waiting until they received confirmation that D received this and was okay or um what they would like to do going forward. >> Understood. Okay. >> Okay. Uh thank you, Haren. Um do we have

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any comments or from the commission about that? feeling. Richard, you have your hand up. >> Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. I would recommend we just wait until the planning board process is completed prior to closing this. And as well as um

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Herland's comment about D requesting that we don't close it until such time as they receive all of the documentation. >> Okay. >> Do I have any other comments or agreements? Uh Teddy, you have your hand up. Um >> I agree with Harelyn and Richard.

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Great. Thank you. Okay. Um, Mike has a thumbs up. Andrea, do you also agree? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I think that it sounds like the commission is in agreement that we would like to wait until we have

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confirmation from the D that they have received the materials and we would also like to wait for um the planning board. >> Okay. understood. I I will uh I'll email the materials and Heron I will copy you on that so you see that it's it's not

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uncommon for us not to hear back from D but I'll I'll make sure that um there's some documentation or I'll request a followup. >> All right. Um do you I think would you like to go to the 617 meeting? Do you think the

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planning board will be >> if if the commission's okay with with that? Um I' I'd like to start there. Um just to avoid pushing it further down the road and if for some reason that doesn't work out, we will let you know. But that that works for now. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. Uh so I'd be looking for a motion to continue to the June 17th,

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2026 meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh roll call vote. Mike LaRouche. >> I. Richard Bers. I. >> Teddy Det. You're muted. Teddy,

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I'm going to move on to Andrea Bernat. >> Hi. >> And Teddy Deette. You just skip him. Can I just skip him because we still have Cororum and vote myself? Yeah, long as we have quorum.

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>> Okay. And I for myself. All right. So, June 17th, next meeting. >> All right. Thank you very much. Have a good night, everybody. >> You too. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, so up next we have a notice of intent by Benjamin Builders for the construction

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of a common driveway uh at 56 Ruth Street. and I have been notified that they would like to continue to the next meeting 617. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Oh, Teddy's back in. He must have

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lost. All right. >> Sorry about that. >> No worries. Um, we had a quorum without you, so we just voted and said continue to June 17th on the last one. Um, now we are about to continue 56 Ruth Street to

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uh Did they ask for June 17th? Her. >> Let me check. >> Yes, next available meeting. >> Okay. Um, so I'm looking for a motion to continue 56 Ruth Street to June 17,

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2026. So move second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I Richard Burch. >> I Teddy Dat >> I. >> Andrea Bernap. >> I. >> And I for myself.

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>> All right. Uh up next, notice of intent by Unitil for the construction of a new substation and the replacement of utility poles at 934 Mass A. They have also requested a continuence. Was that to 617 Herland? >> Correct. Okay. Looking for a motion to

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continue to June 17, 2026. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Richard Burch. >> I. >> Teddy Ducet. >> I. >> Andrea Bernett. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. Um, we do not have any

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administrative determinations tonight. Uh, we do have uh for enforcements we have 1168 Massavreer. Uh, do we have the applicant or representative? >> I thought maybe an engineer may be

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showing up today. >> Okay, great. Welcome. >> Welcome. Thank you. Um, so we started this process probably approximately a year ago. Um, we discussed with the commission we

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were going to be meeting with the USDA to talk about what could and couldn't be done as part of the farm plan. Um, the initial correspondents came back. They're willing to work with us. There was the beginning of the Trump administration and there were um budget cuts and he said it was going to take a

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long time. So, we're still working with them. We just last month before we walked the site with D, we just um exchanged the final paperwork that allows uh myself and the wetland consultant to work directly with them and not just the

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USDA through the land owner. So that process is still ongoing. Um we did I guess in the meantime D was notified so they performed a sitewalk with us last month. Um it was uh three

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members of DP, uh a couple members of the commission, myself, the wetland consultant, and the land owner. Um spent a couple hours walking the property, and basically when they finished the sitewalk, they just said they'd be in touch, and we have yet

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to hear back anything from them. So, um so I guess we're we're still in a kind of waiting period. >> Okay. Um, Heron, have you heard anything from D? >> I have not. >> Okay.

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Um, so I just have So you said you're looking to work with the USDA. I'm just curious. >> We're still USDA. The communications we've had was we sent them basically aerial mapping of

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the property, what had been done. They had an analyst take an initial look at it and then they were going back and forth uh with the owner and they were working to authorize myself and Three Oaks Environmental to

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work directly with the USDA uh to put plans together to meet on site do sitewalks. So um in order to do that we needed to file paperwork that allowed us to act as representatives. So, it's just the process is taking a long time. It's just

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the paperwork thing. So, past that, they have everything they need. Um, and we're waiting basically for both them and D now to get back to us with next steps. >> Okay. And what is it that you're trying to do with the USDA? I just for my

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education. So when we met with the commission, we were both myself and the commission unclear as to as a farm what could actually be done and what was you know based on what the land owner had done already.

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um put together a farm plan that basically showed us the limits of whatever whatever improvements could be made and based from that I guess would be the the baseline of what had to be restored uh versus what was allowed allowable for

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him to do. So in order for us to move forward with a either a you know replication plan or restoration plan or you know new work to perform under a notice of intent. Um, we wanted direction from the USDA because I said

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the commission and myself weren't we were kind of new at this whole, you know, acting as a farm, what was allowed and what was not allowed. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, so uh I think every at this point just

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waiting to hear back from D. I think waiting um to hear back from D and also from um Mr. Mashett's applicant as to whether there they've heard back from USDA. Um I think both th both those things in place will let us move forward

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with a proper remediation. Um I asked for him to come today so that he can bring us all up to date. I'm not familiar with this previous violation and um I just wasn't sure what the scope of the work that was done was, but it looks from an aerial view. So, I wanted

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to make sure that everybody was on the same page. Um I think if they are set to hear soon from USDA, we can bring that together and possibly put some sort of remediation plan um with the applicant. I'm sorry, with the property owner.

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>> Any communications I get, Heron, I'll keep you in the loop. >> Great. Okay. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming in and updating us. I I do appreciate that. Um and then I think at this point we don't have any we we wouldn't continue because

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we don't have a date that we would continue to. So >> I think we just would move on. Is that the proper >> way to handle this? Okay. All right. Well, thank you so much. Um, unless anybody wait does anyone have Do we have

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any questions from members of the commission? I should actually do that. Okay, we don't. All right. Uh, then I think we're ready to move on. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Have a great night.

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>> You, too. >> Okay. Up next, we have um the violation at 314 Highland Street. Do we have any updates? >> I've reached out to this um I've reached out to this property owner several times

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and our schedules have really just not coordinated this week, but uh I was able to reach out to them and we are in the works of getting back out there. Um it's just it's just been a really uh hectic week, but I have been due to reach out to them. >> Okay, awesome.

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Um, >> Madam Chair, >> yes, >> I have something for violations that didn't make it under the agenda. So, I don't know if I should say now or do under topics under 48 hours. >> I say let's do it under the topics

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unknown. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, that way we can move on to our Hickory Hills update and get them out of here. Um, okay. So, not that I want to get you out of here, but I'm I'm assuming that

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you want to get out of here. All right. So, up next, we have new business. We have the Hickory Hills Lake 2026 treatment plan. >> Hi, folks. Dominic Moringalo here from Solitude Lake Management and Nicole's here from um the association.

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>> Great. Uh so as as we've been doing for the last several years um the Nicole and the hand pulling team as they're as they're doing their work during the summer they've identified several areas of the lake where the fan wart is uh more dense

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than really can be handled with hand pulling. So, we have um design, as we've done in the past, we've designated um five areas of the lake. Um I don't know if you guys can see my

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screen here. There are five areas of the lake totaling >> various >> 25 acres um that have been identified by the team as areas that would be helpful to be treated to to knock down the the

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dense fan wart in those areas and help help give them a more of a head start on hand pulling and allow them to focus on other areas that are more suitable. So, uh, we do have the treatment tent tentatively scheduled for, uh, next week

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on the 10th. Um, just asking for your approval, uh, of this plan. So, if you certainly if you have any questions for us, we'd be happy to answer those. >> Okay. Uh, do we have any questions for members of the commissions?

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>> Um, so these would all happen at the same time, >> correct? So these >> these polygons will be loaded into our GPS the applicator. We'll have that with him so we can evenly apply the um flumioin herbicide otherwise known as

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clipper um into these areas here very specifically within the boundaries. um we'll be using the 200 parts per billion which is half the label maximum label dose uh and the maximum that's allowed here in Massachusetts under their

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special regulations. This is similar to what was done in the past. Uh it's worked very well. It's allowed the hand pulling teams to focus on other areas that are more more kind of emerging areas with less dense plants that that can kind of be more effective

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effectively handled with handpull. So, >> okay. All right. Um, so it does not seem like we have any questions from members of the commission. Do we have any questions uh for members of the public?

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Okay. It does not seem like we do. Uh >> yeah. >> All right. I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve the uh treatment for June 10th, 2026.

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>> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Richard Bers. Hi, >> Teddy Det. >> I >> Andrea Bernett. >> Hi. >> And I for myself.

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>> Great. Thank you very much, folks. >> Um, okay. Up next, we have CMMCP at 11:47 Mass A. Uh, I don't know what CMMCP stands for. I don't know if I should. Uh, Carlin,

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can you help me out here? What is it? CMP >> Central Mass control. >> Got it. Okay. I looked it up and found it. >> Sorry. >> So, I do know I do know a little bit about them. Um

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what is what are they doing at 1147 Massav? >> So, basically they're uh digging a drainage ditch, I believe. Um, hold on. Let me just go over review the notice that they sent out. Um, >> seven massive have a violation. Oh, no.

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That's the that's the one. Okay. Sorry. Keep going. >> Yes. So, basically, Central Mass uh the Massachusetts Central Mass Mosquito Control um is an agency that actually helps out uh property owners,

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constituents, residents, land owners. um you technically connect with the Department of Public Works or conservation and then we guide you to mass mosquito control if you have issues with ditches, drainage, um stagnant water, anything that doesn't um that actually um creates a habitat for

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mosquito. So they go out, they assess the area and then they provide you with a mitigation plan. The mitigation plan may include uh d uh ditch drainage or I'm sorry, digging of ditches. um other they have other forms of mitigation.

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It's very extensive. This one in particular, it looks like a portion of the drainage ditch will be maintained. Um and they're going to scrape some of the sediment out that is accumulated so that um they can they can actually have

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the water flow better into I think what is an existing cover on the other side. Um and they just notify us of the work because this is a pre-existing ditch. I think it was established before in 1969. So under the wetlands protection act,

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it's just a maintenance. So basically this is a courtesy that they provide to us letting us know that this work is happening and um the date and the time and if we have any questions we can reach out to them directly. >> Okay. >> Sorry that was a lot of information at

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once. >> No. Um, no. That's uh And is that is that a paid service that homeowners use or is that like a >> No, it's a free It's a free service. Yes. Oh, >> okay. >> I think they they have grants and each

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town or city can buy in. I think there was some recent talk in within the town of Lunenburgg as to during the town meeting and budget there was there's a part of it that um there's a federal funding and a com and a statewide funding that is combined and then is

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allocated to each town or city. I'm not sure if there have to be matching funds, but it it's it's free to the public. If you have densely if you have an area where you have a lot of mosquitoes like in your backyard, you can actually call

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them and they will go out and help you assess the area and find ways to help mitigation. Um I think it's because of the diseases that are transmitted via mosquitoes that they help uh property owners. And if I remember correctly, this is one of the items that did not

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make it into the budget that the balanced budget. >> I believe you are correct. >> Um, >> we might we might lose the service as of >> second. Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. Good to you have your

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hand up. >> Yeah. I didn't know that we um that it was voted out of the budget. I I remember um they actually came to speak at the town hall to give like a presentation as to what they do. I

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planned on going to make a public comment that I was against mosquito spraying and they did their presentation and they do so much work aside from the mosquito spraying to prevent mosquitoes and I was totally swayed and I really appreciate the work that they do. So, I'm disappointed to hear that they are

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not going to be in our budget. >> Don't take my word for that, but I do remember talk of that being one of the things that was not in the balance budget, but don't take my word for that. Um >> I I don't think that's the case because

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when at at the meeting where they did the presentation, the select board was also is I think overwhelmingly um in favor of keeping the mosquito program. Okay, good. I hope so because um like you, I actually was initially when I

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didn't realize that CMMCP was this. I was initially against it and then um I heard not at that I didn't know that there was a talk, but I heard from somewhere else that they really I think it was actually at the Lunenburgg Earth Day when you were doing the mosquito dunks and someone else started may have

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talked to you about the program. I got a little more information on it then and it like it seems like spraying is kind of a last resort. >> Yes. >> And we try to do the things that are act that we that are true mitigation. So

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yeah, I really hope it is still in the budget because I think it's a really good program. >> Fun fact, their current director, the person who sent this letter out was actually a the conservation agent for the town of Lunenburgg a very long time ago. Really?

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>> Yes. >> What is their name? I bet Richard might know them. >> Katrina Proctor. Yes. >> Okay. All right. Richard already knew. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've known Katrina for years and years. And they do do great work. I mean, it's not just the the

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spring, like you said, is the last resort. They go through and help stop the standing water. Uh they go through and will view properties from the street for things like old tires where the

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water can um pool. So they really do quite a bit of work that it goes unseen. So hopefully it's not out of our budget. >> Yeah, it was well worth the money what they were doing. >> Yeah. Awesome. Well, I hope it's in the

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budget. Awesome if it's in the budget. Not awesome if it's not in the budget. Okay. Um, so really it's just a courtesy that that they're letting us know because it predates the the WPA anyway. >> Correct.

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>> Um, but it's it sounds like it's a worthwhile thing and uh, thank you for bringing it to our attention. Does anyone have any questions or comments on that before I move on? Oh, okay. Um, so on to topics unknown.

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It sounds like Herllin has a topic unknown for us. >> Yes. So I um received a message from the person helping the property owner at 17 715 Reservoir Ward Road, excuse me, um about some trees that had came in and

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were planted last week. So I went out today for a brief inspection. Um, I apologize for not having pictures uploaded. Um, but I was having technical difficulty all day. I'm not sure if something is happening around town or if anybody else was experiencing the loss

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of ser cell service and like data usage on my phone. Um, anyway, I digress. The uh property owner had planted uh three sugar maples, two gray birch, two scotch

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pine, one jack pine, and uh white oak. Three white oak totaling 11 trees. They were significant size. I They look like they're probably five or six years old. Um they they came and she stated that they came in 10 gallon buckets. Um,

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and they are all placed in the 30-foot buffer. And I wanted to let the commission know. Um, I would like to do a six-month inspection. Um, but granted, given that it is June 3rd, that will put me sometime in December, which is not

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feasible for a tree inspection. So, I wasn't sure if the commission would like for me to go out um in 3 months, or we can do a spring checkup after the spring melt and see how the trees are doing. I think I'd prefer spring u but I'm open

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to >> other comments or suggestions. >> I'm also open to spring. >> Okay. All right. Um yeah. So I think we're going to go with spring pearlin if that works. like to give them as much time as possible to really

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take. Um, so does that work for you, Haren? >> Of course. Yep. I can schedule a site visit for um the end of April, mid April once the snow has melted depending on how their weather uh patterns change next year or what we have. But I will

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schedule something for and let the property owner know as well. >> Okay, great. All right. Thank you, Helen. >> You're welcome. Um, okay. Uh, I don't think we have any bylaw

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discussion items. Uh, conservation budget. I'm going to guess we don't have any updates on that at the moment. >> We do have an update. I will be bringing forth an official budget for the end of fiscal year 26 and then at the beginning

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of fiscal year 27 at our 617 meeting for the commission to vote. I'm hoping to get that out to you guys um sometime in the beginning of next week for review so that we're not like just looking at materials a few days prior to our meeting. Um there are some accounts that

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are still open that have um like sense left in them. So we're according or the town manager and the new finance director had stated that these accounts should be closed. It's like a total of 18 cents >> in all accounts. um we're just going to

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push that through to the general fund um so that we can close those accounts. Um uh Mr. Bob Peas came in and sat down with the town manager and myself. Um he is a very good record keeper of accounts and had um records of things that were

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once granted to the commission and we were able to kind of go over all of that and I kind of have like my head wrapped around what we need to do now. So, I will be bringing that forward to you guys on June 17th. Okay, great.

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All right, awesome. Thank you so much. Um, I look forward to seeing a budget. All right. Um, do we have any We haven't seen encroachment issues in a while. Although I'm told that there may be a

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list that speaking of Bob Peas that Bob may have somewhere of encouragement issues that Oh, Z is that you have your hand up Harland? >> Yeah, that's me again. Um, yes. So Bob Peas and I will be getting together to discuss the remainder of the list. He

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did say that onethird of it was complete and then the other two/3s were still outstanding. So we are getting together. He was he was in our office last week discussing budget stuff. So, I said not this week, but hopefully sometime next week we can get together and discuss the

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um open encroachments and we can send letters out uh notifying folks of what needs to be done. I'm not sure what the legal process is or if we need to probably set some time aside to have inspections done to confirm the encroachments or if that's already been

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done. I'm not sure where we are on this list. Um what's been accomplished or not, but um Bob and I will discuss that and then I will come back to you guys on the 17th so that we can kind of decide how to move forward. >> Okay, great. Awesome. >> Did I talk to you about that or did Bob

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bring that up to you on his own? >> We discussed it during the last meeting too when I added it to my task list. >> Okay. I was like, how did she know to do that? Did she read my mind? But all right, got it. Um, okay. Up next, Hollis Road

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residents. We do have some updates here. Uh, we can start with I think Mike, do you want to start with your uh Okay. Actually, the cars, both cars are gone now. So, that's a huge

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>> improvement. Um, the the trampoline is still outside, correct? know the trampoline has been dismantled and put on the side of the road. Hopefully someone will look at the metal and say, "Gee, we could recycle this." So, um, I

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just did that the other day >> along along >> Thank you, Mike. >> along with cutting the sumac and the bittersweet from the front of the building. Uh, those are two plants that ought not to be in front of a structure.

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Um, and of course the lawn got mowed again. Uh, trying to make the place look habitable from the outside. >> Um, that's why there's a proposal to consider for the inside.

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>> Yes. >> Send a copy to everybody. And I'd like, you know, comments. And I also wanted to let you know that I did send this to Chris Ruth, the facility director. And he we had a you know an extensive

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conversation about he first he says it seemed like a good deal. um despite the fact that the building may need, you know, other things like, you know, a roof or he wanted to know the um you know, the how the heating

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system is doing. And he sort of told me that he's willing to participate in this process as long as the town lets him do it. um give us some sort of guidance on some of the major projects

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that might come along. Um but I convinced them that this is a a start. We have to start somewhere. Um and he thought this was a good idea to get the place cleaned. I checked out the

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references for this company. Um, you know, I realize reviews are are sometimes questionable, but they've all had five star reviews from people recently using them. uh especially as it

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pertains to pet spotting and and um although they do say that, you know, they don't guarantee every spot can be removed, but they generally say we're pretty good at removing most of the

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spots. And since um that part of it is a small number um I thought personally it's worth going for it since they have great reviews at removing spots specifically pet stains

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and that's what we're looking at at Hollis Road. Um, so I just, you know, would like to hear comments from everyone else um on what they thought about the proposal and uh even though it

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doesn't look like they do windows, windows are included as part of the wall systems. He says because they generally do a lot more residential where uh they don't do particularly windows. they will do ours

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in this whole cleanup at Hollis Road. So with that, uh, have you had a chance to review and if you have questions, I'll try to answer them if I can. >> So I have had a chance to review. I

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thought it seemed very fair. Um the and I really I think it seems like a pretty fair quote. Uh there's any and I and I also want to

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say thank you for mowing because you didn't mention that it was you that mowed the lawn. >> Okay. >> Um thank you for everything that you do and also um No, just thank you. Okay. Does anyone else Has everyone had a chance to look at this quote?

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>> Oh, look at that. We do have some >> I have not Mike. I will review it in the next day or so. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh the the thing that is needed uh when I was I do have a key now to get into the building. I was

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issued a key uh by Michael uh Gail at um the office and so I can get in and lock the door as well as we figured out how to lock all of the windows. Uh, I think

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I sent a picture uh regarding that how somehow the uh the property had been breached in some way and I believe it was through that broken screen and someone just lifted the window and went in. Um,

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but uh all of the windows are now locked and um and the screen still needs to be repaired. I think you know it's just an easy repair. I may have some extra screening at my my garage uh to do that.

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Um, but they did say if they were to be awarded with the uh the the job that they need the electricity on, which is actually I noticed that it was on, but the water is shut off. And even though

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they use a truck mounted unit which provides most of the water to do the carpeting, you still need water uh in the building in order to you know mix their chemicals uh and cleaning supplies. So if that's something we

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could get done before um you know if it's agreed that they should do this work uh that would be appreciated. Um, >> so the water ser is the water service just shut off at the valve or did we

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shut it off with the town? >> It must be with the town. I think Hurland may have mentioned we shut the water off last meeting. >> I knew we shut off the electricity and the we stopped the heat. >> Okay. Well, the electricity is still on.

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So, I don't know what you know that someone just go down in the basement and shut the heating system off by the switch. Uh because I turned the lights on and they came on. I certainly shut them off. Um

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so, if that's something you can check or I see Herland has her >> hand up. Yeah, I believe I believe Chris said that he >> shut the water off, but I think it wasn't through the town. I believe it

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was just the valve. >> Oh, >> and cuz he said, "Make sure when winter when the weather starts to get cold that we remember to turn the valve back on." >> Oh, okay. >> Um, check that. Or >> I wasn't sure still sitting there empty,

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but it starts to get cold. I wasn't sure about the power we so I um I wasn't sure about the power. >> I can't remember the specifics about the power, but I know that the oil we stopped the delivery of the oil is what we did. >> Okay. >> Um but we just got a bill today that we

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got there was a delivery. So I don't know what happened with that. >> Okay. Um well, I will certainly check that. My the issue is you know um things like toilets and drains that don't have water in them. They will they will provide sore gases in the building. We

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don't want to have that uh exacerbate all the other things that are happening inside the building. So I will check that. Uh however uh I leave uh for Cleveland for 11 days. So I won't be able to check it until I

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get back. Um, so if someone wanted to check that, that would be great. Or I can let um I can let Chris know, and I'm sure he'd be glad to go and turn things back on. So that's what I'll do. >> Yeah, I mean, I can. Is the water in the

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basement? >> Well, I'm sure that's where it comes. Yes. And there must be some gate valve that you turn and Okay. >> But I It's dark down there, you I'd rather send Chris down there since he knows where it is and >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, if he's willing,

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that would be great. >> Okay, sounds good. >> Uh, Herlin, you have your hand up. >> I was just saying that Chris said yes, he did turn off the water Hollis. Um, >> okay. >> I can have it turn it I can have him turn it back on. >> Oh, perfect. Perfect.

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Uh just so the toilets will fill, you know, and and and and the drains, you know, run the water a little bit so everything is >> um filled. Uh cuz it also, you know, little tin those little tiny flies emit

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from uh plumbing sometimes when there's no water in the drain or they get dry. Um, so just a homeowner kind of uh hint. Um, I did

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also Did I tell you I removed the bitter bittersweet and the sumac in front of the building? Okay. All right. >> Super appreciated. >> Um, and u the bikes uh that were taken off of the antique

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car were just left in the backyard. So, I wanted to do a shout out for, you know, do we put those on the side of the road or do we have a person who refurbishes bikes to give to people who need them? Um,

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and there's a few other items that I'm sure we should probably attend to. There's a empty tank of helium that is sitting there as well as a uh a fire

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extinguisher. Uh that is one of those water soda type of extinguishers. Um you know, we could always use that in the shed, I guess, but you know, it shouldn't be exposed to the element. But

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there were cases upon cases of oil that were in that vehicle as well as batteries. Um, I didn't look closely today when I was there to see whether they remove the four batteries that I'm

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assuming used to operate uh either lawnmowers or something else, but um those were also on the antique car. So, there's a pile of things that we should go through and and make sure to get in

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the proper um recycling uh shelf. So, it's they're just not strewn in the backyard. So, those are my only concerns. >> Okay. Um yeah, I think there's definitely going to be some items that

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we're going to have to figure out. I know we have some things that we need to get rid of for some chicken wire and stuff that we need to get rid of, too. >> Um, >> there's an old grill. There's an old gas grill >> and >> um, and there are a few other tables and

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things. I moved them from the house so I could mow and they're sort of under um the I believe either an oak tree or a maple tree. Um, and once again, those are

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people may want them. There are some chairs that look serviceable. Uh, but there's junk there. So, you know, uh at some point we may need to the get the last part of uh a few bags of trash inside the building and get,

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you know, a couple of of small um vacuum cleaners that were left there before we uh agreed to have someone clean um you know, the inside space. There's not a lot left, but there's

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still enough to uh get a small dumpster to get rid of. >> Yes, the town um Phil Bernard of the DPW has offered to have a dumpster dropped off. So, that might be I don't I hate to throw away anything that could be like scrapped

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>> or donated. Um, so maybe uh I can try to get over there sometime this weekend and kind of go through what's there and see if the bikes are worth trying to donate. Um, I don't know, maybe a scrap metal person would

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take them if not. Uh, and then see what the other stuff is. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Mike, so much. All right, >> Harlin, do we have a um can we get an amount at the next meeting on what we

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have left in the pause fund? >> Yes. >> Okay, perfect. Uh Teddy, you had your hand up briefly. Did you have something you wanted to >> Yes, I was just going to say that if there is chicken wire um up for grabs, I can certainly make use of that. >> Okay. Yeah, there's like a little old

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chicken coupe type deal there that North County Land Trust wants us to have removed. Um, so I think I think I think part of that is some wiring. So if you're if you're interested in that, it's all yours. >> Great. >> Um, okay.

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>> Thank you. >> So, thank you, Mike. I think that's all we have. Well, so we have this quote. Uh, Richard, you haven't looked at it yet. Should do you want should we wait until you have a chance to look at it to vote if we move forward? Uh,

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>> no. You've got a quorum. I'll just abstain. >> Okay. Um I can quickly go through it. It's only four items, five items. So it's uh vacant carpet cleaning. So it's carpet cleaning on an empty house. 600 looks like square feet, 36 cents per

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square foot at $216. Cleaning technician, 2 days, 8 hours each. Um at 58.50 per hour. They clean the wall, ceiling, surfaces, basically all of the touch surfaces. It looks like that's $1,872.

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Um, they do a vapor odor counteract that is for 2 days, so basically the entire time they're there. That would be $61 per day at $122. Uh, they have materials and supplies. I'm not sure what that is, but it's a hundred at a dollar each. That's $100.

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Heavy pet spot removal. They It's one and that's $95. And that's a um pet spot treatment that they use. And they say they cannot guarantee that it will work. Um but they do their best. And that is

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$95 with a to sub total of 2405 a tax of of $6.25. So that just must be on that $100 charge. And then a total of 24114 25.

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Uh, does anyone have any comments or questions on that? >> Uh, do we have a motion to approve? >> Sorry, I think I do have one question. What um fund is it? The Haw Fund. Is

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that where this money comes from? >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> it's the HO fund visav the Hollis Road. Um, and there's a specific number um that it's attached to and um

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>> so in the the h fund is where the previous custodian agreement where the rent was deposited. >> Yes. >> So it's basically self-funding. >> Correct. >> Okay. And is there another fund that the

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conservation commission uses for other uh purposes? >> We have the WPA fund which is where all of the fees that are for permitting and other uh office permit things. I don't

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good verbiage. Um that is one fund. So that goes to fund things that are conservation related. Um we also have a fund called the Christopher Jan something fund and that is a pretty

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significant amount that was somebody left in a state. um that is being saved for some sort of big conservation effort, maybe buying property. Um if something comes up, that would be really helpful in our master plan as far as

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connecting all of the different properties that we have. And then there's >> also the um what's the there's one more. Somebody help me out. We used to always talk about it in meetings.

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>> The timber fund. Yes. And that is our uh where our forestry funds come from. That's all that that's right. That's the only thing that funds that one, right? Is the cutting plans. >> Correct. The timber harvests.

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>> Yeah. So that's when we um do timber harvests on any of our sites. >> Thank you for clarification. >> All right. Good question actually. Uh I remember starting to hear the funds names and I was like wait what does that do? What does that do? So that's a

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really good question. Um okay. Yeah. So typically we would use the Haw fund for this property because this is actually the Haw property. So we call it Hollis Road. Haw was the last name of the person who gifted us the

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property and um so we call it the Haw Fund. And then when we do start collecting hopefully some sort of custodial um funds again then that will start replenishing this fund.

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>> Okay. >> Madam chair. >> Yes. according to uh I do have a a chart on the Hollis Road the 1519 fund and according to Michael Gale

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um as of May 7th um we have $26,68410 in that fund available. >> Okay. And that's um and that was as of May 7th. >> May 7th, correct?

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>> Okay. So, I can't imagine too much more heat costs have come out of there. So, it should be somewhere, >> right? There's certainly for this proposal that we're looking at tonight. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that, Mike.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. So, um I mean, unless anyone has any reservations, I do I agree with Mike. I think that making this property um cleaner and easier to get into and start

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doing other work should be a priority. Unless anyone has any other comments or suggestions, I do think that this is going to help us get along in our plan to get this property back to a place where we could have another custodian

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come in. So, I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve, but um >> so move. >> Second. >> Okay, roll call vote. Mike LaRouche >> I. >> Eddie Det

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>> I. >> Andrea Bernett >> I. >> Richard, are you abstaining? >> Yep, I'll abstain. >> Okay. And I for myself. Okay. So, that is approved. Mike, do you want to reach out to I will reach out to them tomorrow. Let

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them know. And >> are you going to Cleveland tomorrow? >> Going to Cleveland? Yeah. >> Okay. Grandchildren. >> Do you want me to reach out to them so you can enjoy your vacation or >> No, it's just a phone call. Gives me something to do. >> Okay.

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All right. Um, committee report. Do we have anything else for Hollis before I move on? >> Uh, that's all I have. All right. >> I appreciate that. >> We appreciate you, Mike. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> All right. Committee reports. Uh, master plan steering committee. Do we have anything there? >> Uh, no new update. I'm going to reach out to Kim Duffy and just see where we're at with that because I'm curious. >> Okay. Um, open space Andrea any I know there's

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big things happening there. >> Um, well, we haven't had a meeting. Um, we'll be having we'll be meeting next week. >> Okay. Um, storm water. Uh, we had a meeting. We went over

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uh Have we had a meeting since the last one? I think we have. So, we went over uh figuring out what the Oh, Mike, do you have your hand up? >> Um, yes. But after you're finished, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Yeah. So, we had a meeting. We

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went over uh figuring out how we are going to approach the commercial properties uh their their rate for the utility. Um I think we are we were looking at either

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levels of the what's what's called an eru which is basically how much impermeable area they have. So saying like if they have like 1 to 10,000 that would be one level. But now we're thinking because there's such a difference in these properties and

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there's a couple properties that have a lot but like a big huge difference in between the first one and the second one. We're most likely just going to do uh like a multiplication by by eru. Not finalized yet, but that's basically

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where we are right now. Um and that's all I have to report for storm water. Mike, you have your hand up. Yes, Madam Chair. I just remembered something. Uh, in your last meeting with the former custodian,

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um, were you able to get their address so we could forward their mail there? Because we're still getting mail at Road. >> She told me that her mail is forwarded and that she's getting her mail. >> Okay.

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>> Um, so and not I did go through some of the mail that you gave me. It looked like it wasn't for her. >> Okay. >> Log that mail. So, I'm wondering if I know some was for the custodian before her. >> Okay. >> And um >> so then we're good then.

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>> Yeah, I think we are good to check it. >> Okay. >> Or maybe put in the mailbox. No one lives here. >> Okay. >> Return to sender. I know. Uh, yeah. I don't She didn't give me her new address, but she did say that her mail

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is getting different. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Well, on that, um, do we have any other communications

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or public comment? Um, oh, I want to acknowledge um Brad Coons has remained with us throughout the entire meeting. Uh, what do you think? What do you think, Brad? Interesting.

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>> Um, yeah, they're they're good meetings. um very detailed and um it's nice to see that the um the people who are coming on to propose um projects and permits are seem to be pretty well prepared what

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they want to talk about. That's all good. >> Yeah, we love it when they're prepared. That's always it's always good. Um okay. And so you're more interested in doing some sort of trail stewardship or

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associate. >> Correct. Yeah, I saw that the uh trail stewardship position was open for the conservation commission and thought that would be a pretty good fit for myself. I'm pretty active with dogs and mountain biking and spend a lot of time at um at

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the Cry Reserve and all over the place. So yeah. >> Okay. Awesome. Um, so we don't technically have a trail steward position right now. Um, that's just something that we would have to somebody tell me if I'm wrong, just vote on, right, to create that position. There's

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no there's nothing preventing us from do you think it's good for us? Would you be interested in attending meetings as a trail steward consistently or >> because it's not obviously it's not Yeah. Okay. Uh I think that you know I

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think that's a good thing for us to have is somebody who is you know versed in the things even if you're not because you wouldn't be a voting um member if you were a trail steward. So you would be at the meetings but you wouldn't vote. Um if you wanted to be a

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voting member we do have a position open a do you call it a position? We have a opening I guess um that is we have a couple of applicants for that but if you wanted to be a voting member that would be different than being a trail steward

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and associate because a trail steward or an associate wouldn't vote. Um >> okay >> that's something I could talk to you about offline. I just want to check in with you while you're while we're still in the meeting and see what you were thinking and I appreciate you making it through the whole meeting.

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>> Um >> so that's good. Yeah. >> Yes. So, I'll reach out to you tomorrow. I'll send you an email. >> Okay. Great. Thank you. >> All right. So, with that, do we have any other questions or comments from members of the commission?

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Uh, I just want to acknowledge that I went on a trail walk with lease who presented or who came to the commission asking if for um some invasive management of the Lane Conservation Area. Um, she took me

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through and showed me some hot spots of the invasive plants and pointed out some native species. She's very knowledgeable about the species. Um, and I look forward to working with her further uh the next time she comes to in front

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of the commission. >> That reminds me, Herllin, can we get her on the next meeting for that? And Teddy and I are going to talk to her tomorrow a little bit more about that. >> Yes. So, um, sorry, I completely dropped the ball on that. So, no worries. with

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regards to having her at a public hearing to discuss the potential of collecting seeds from um public places or places that we own. Um so for public hearings, do we need to publish a legal ad? And I was just curious, do we is the

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commission going to absorb the cost of that? Do I charge her for the legal ad? I would say where she's asking to do it for her business, I think that we should charge her. >> Okay. >> That's all I needed clarification on and

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I could put I can put something together um for the public hearing, a notice out and then we can um have her pay the ledger directly. >> Okay, let me just get a quick uh Teddy, do you have your hand up? Yeah, I just have um another proposal is that if we

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go ahead and just collect native seeds and have a sort of communitydriven like seed bank, um that is something that I would be more in favor of rather than just having an individual go out and collecting seeds.

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I'm open to both, but I would just prefer it to be more accessible to the broader public for for us to have someone maybe from the commission collect like collecting the the seeds um ethically and like appropriately so that

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we're not taking too much um and having a sort of town seed bank that is like first come first serve. Those are just my thoughts. >> Yeah. So, and I think we do have we have a really good um place in the pollinator habitat. I think that you know people

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could I think the pollinator habitat would have no issue with people collecting seeds there. I'm a little more concerned about people collecting seeds in the conservation areas. Um I that's why I think it's good if she if I don't even know if she's really

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interested in moving forward with this anymore because I do know that she was able to talk to a lot of the neighbors at the um near the lane property and she was able to collect seeds on their properties which may have she may have decided that she doesn't even want to do

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it anymore. She might want to reach out to her. Her Lynn, we can ask her tomorrow then we talk about her. We're talking more about the invasive removal tomorrow, but we can see if she's still interested in doing the um the seed collection >> and then see if she should be on the

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meeting for that. >> I can definitely ask her. Um I think that it's a twofold part for Commissioner Ducat that she wanted she was the one who presented this to us and wanted to go on conservation land. So that's why the public hearing thing was an issue. Um, but as far as having a

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commissioner just collect seeds and have a seed bank, I actually believe the library has a seed bank if I'm not mistaken where you can go and collect libraries. People donate seeds and then you can go to the library and you get two or three packets. But that's

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something it might be a little late to organize something like that now um given time constraints. But I think that moving forward that's a great idea if we can kind of organize somebody who is going to go out and then we can distribute them from the Ritter

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building, my office, or somewhere where it's accessible to the public at all times or we can even um send them to the library and people can pick them up from the library. That wouldn't be a bad idea. >> Okay. Yeah. Something we should probably we need to flush out a little bit more.

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I did not know that the library had seeds. >> Yeah. Most public libraries have some sort of like >> seed library they call it when you first I'm not sure where this library has it but I know Lemonster has it um Lancaster

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and both I think the city of Pitchburg does too and it's like a seed bank. You go in and then you can kind of grab some seeds. >> Very cool. I had no idea. Um Mike, you had your hand up.

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Yes, Madam Chair. I I think um I heard that um Robin Benia at the library um might run some sort of seed bank. I'm not exactly sure of the details, but I know she's been responsible putting in

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all those gardens in and around the library. So, I'm sure she'd be a a key person to ask about uh seed banking. And I know that the pollinator habitat um does that as well. Um once again I

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don't know all the details how it gets done but um so I know that uh they generally do it and you know they that's why they have these events in the fall for uh to actually sew winter seeds. So

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in the spring they sprout and you can put them in your gardens. you know, there's a whole process about this thing and I think you may have said it's probably too late to be um you know, I well, I don't know. Uh I'm sure there are some flowers that you can start from

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seed now that will um you know, I think if you plant sunflower seeds now, they they will sprout and you know, >> yeah, >> fall you should have a sunflower. So um so I there are enough people out there

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that you can get resources um but I don't know the details about the library if they actually issue um seeds if you go in but uh I know that was a big thing with Robin Beneia

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um as she's part of the library planting um and I went on her tour and I think some Some of us went on our caterpillar um um program which was pretty pretty amazing.

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>> When was that? >> It was actually uh uh an hour after one of our site walks on a Saturday. >> Okay. >> Um >> Cool. >> Yeah, it's pretty interesting. >> Yeah, she's

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she's uh she's just a sweetheart. Um she's amazing. Yeah, she is my plant lady. Uh >> yeah, you know, >> she's uh she really is. She's such a an asset to Lunenburgg and she's just an amazing person.

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>> She is. >> Um I didn't move here knowing that there was such a a big native uh loving community cuz I am a native loving person before I moved here. So, it's been really like a bonus of moving to

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Lunenburgg, seeing how many people are how there's such a having a I didn't know there was a pollinator habitat and then I found out there was a pollinator habitat and I was like, "Wow, this is I was meant to be here." Um, >> absolutely.

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>> All right. So, I think Do we have any other comments, suggestions, communications? All right. Well, the next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, June 17th at 7 o'clock p.m. Um, other than that, I

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would be looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> So, move. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike LaRouche. >> I. >> Richard Bur. >> I. >> Teddy Ducet. >> I. >> Andrea Bernat. >> Hi.

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>> And I for myself. All right. Have a great night, everyone. >> Thank you. Good night. >> Good night. >> Good night everybody. >> Good night. >> Good night.